From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Dec 5 20:53:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web608.mail.yahoo.com (web608.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7270B1528A for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 20:53:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jorgandar@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 19107 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 1999 04:53:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19991206045320.19106.qmail@web608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.65.178.87] by web608.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 05 Dec 1999 20:53:20 PST Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 20:53:20 -0800 (PST) From: jorgandar blackmoon Subject: Re: You might want to know this! To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I do it because i want to. i need no other reason =P __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Dec 6 13:42:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cydonia.net (mail.cydonia.net [205.238.4.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316EC14CC7 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:42:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keith@mail.cydonia.net) Received: from localhost (keith@localhost) by mail.cydonia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14023 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:34:15 -0800 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:34:14 -0800 (PST) From: To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Tape Backup Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In need of some understanding/help. When installing a tape backup system. Is it important to have compatability? I mean, does the system see it as a simple IDE/SCSI device and not realy care what brand/model of tape backup system is?? Does the OS have to make a file system on the tape or is that a function of the tape drive itself? I'm going to be useing dump in FreeBSD to do the backups and don't realy have a good understanding of how tape devices work in FreeBSD. It's my understanding that there realy doesn't need to be any real compatability becouse FreeBSD will just comunicate to the device and the device takes care of the actual writing it in the proper format on the tape no real need for a "driver" for a specific tape device.. Thanks for any help. Keith To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Dec 6 17:12:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FDB215061 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 17:12:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id RAA45807; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 17:12:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 17:12:13 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199912070112.RAA45807@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, keith@cydonia.net Subject: Re: Tape Backup In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:34:14 -0800 (PST) >From: >In need of some understanding/help. When installing a tape backup system. >Is it important to have compatability? Hmmm.... >I mean, does the system see it as a simple IDE/SCSI device >and not realy care what brand/model of tape backup system is?? The tape drive would usually be a "simple IDE/SCSI device" -- well, it has been in all the systems I've used (over the last 30 years). >Does the OS have to make a file system on the tape or is that a function >of the tape drive itself? Generally, tape devices do not contain "file systems," since that implies a degree of random access that a tape would require far too much latency to support. Further, tape drives are usually designed in such a way that once data has been written to the tape in a given place, you can't read data from "beyond" that point in the tape. (DECtapes are a little different, I understand....) Basically, a tape device usually acts as a device to which a stream of byte may be written or from which a stream of byte may be read. Put another way, it's a sequential (vs. random-access) device. >I'm going to be useing dump in FreeBSD >to do the backups "dump" is a program that reads a filesystem and generates a "stream of bytes"; its output can be assigned to "standard output" (and thus suitable for the input to a pipeline, for example, as well as writing to a sequential device, such as tape). >and don't realy have a good understanding of how tape >devices work in FreeBSD. Pretty much as they do in most UNIX systems -- you can write sequential data to them and reasd sequential data from them. There are conventions for writing "file marks" when a file is closed after having been opened for writing; that's how multiple files can be written to a single tape. >It's my understanding that there realy doesn't >need to be any real compatability becouse FreeBSD will just comunicate to >the device and the device takes care of the actual writing it in the >proper format on the tape no real need for a "driver" for a specific tape >device.. Thanks for any help. Not sure how you're intending to use the word "compatability" up there. The driver usually just treats the tape drive as a generic device, though -- as opposed, for example, to the way Ethernet NICs are handled, or SCSI host adapters. Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Dec 6 18:20: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cydonia.net (mail.cydonia.net [205.238.4.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06CA14C22 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:19:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keith@mail.cydonia.net) Received: from localhost (keith@localhost) by mail.cydonia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21864; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:11:46 -0800 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:11:46 -0800 (PST) From: To: David Wolfskill Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tape Backup In-Reply-To: <199912070112.RAA45807@pau-amma.whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Great info.. Thanks a ton.. Keith On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, David Wolfskill wrote: > >Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:34:14 -0800 (PST) > >From: > > >In need of some understanding/help. When installing a tape backup system. > >Is it important to have compatability? > > Hmmm.... > > >I mean, does the system see it as a simple IDE/SCSI device > >and not realy care what brand/model of tape backup system is?? > > The tape drive would usually be a "simple IDE/SCSI device" -- well, it > has been in all the systems I've used (over the last 30 years). > > >Does the OS have to make a file system on the tape or is that a function > >of the tape drive itself? > > Generally, tape devices do not contain "file systems," since that > implies a degree of random access that a tape would require far too much > latency to support. Further, tape drives are usually designed in such a > way that once data has been written to the tape in a given place, you > can't read data from "beyond" that point in the tape. (DECtapes are a > little different, I understand....) > > Basically, a tape device usually acts as a device to which a stream of > byte may be written or from which a stream of byte may be read. Put > another way, it's a sequential (vs. random-access) device. > > >I'm going to be useing dump in FreeBSD > >to do the backups > > "dump" is a program that reads a filesystem and generates a "stream of > bytes"; its output can be assigned to "standard output" (and thus > suitable for the input to a pipeline, for example, as well as writing to > a sequential device, such as tape). > > >and don't realy have a good understanding of how tape > >devices work in FreeBSD. > > Pretty much as they do in most UNIX systems -- you can write sequential > data to them and reasd sequential data from them. There are conventions > for writing "file marks" when a file is closed after having been opened > for writing; that's how multiple files can be written to a single tape. > > >It's my understanding that there realy doesn't > >need to be any real compatability becouse FreeBSD will just comunicate to > >the device and the device takes care of the actual writing it in the > >proper format on the tape no real need for a "driver" for a specific tape > >device.. Thanks for any help. > > Not sure how you're intending to use the word "compatability" up there. > > The driver usually just treats the tape drive as a generic device, > though -- as opposed, for example, to the way Ethernet NICs are > handled, or SCSI host adapters. > > Cheers, > david > -- > David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator > voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 8 14:46:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 00BF215281 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:46:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fosterex@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 42014 invoked by alias); 8 Dec 1999 22:46:18 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 41976 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 1999 22:46:17 -0000 Received: from gdslppp218.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO office1) (216.160.128.218) by dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 1999 22:46:17 -0000 Message-ID: <000801bf41ce$4012b720$0200000a@office1> From: "Stephen Foster" To: Subject: USA_RESIDENT = YES or NO Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:47:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF4193.933E6100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF4193.933E6100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How do I change the variable for USA_RESIDENT =3D NO to USA_RESIDENT =3D = YES in FreeBSD 3.3? 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How do I change the variable for = USA_RESIDENT =3D NO=20 to USA_RESIDENT =3D YES in FreeBSD 3.3?
 
Steve
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<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF4193.933E6100-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 8 15: 8:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from deep.darkcave.org (darkcave.org [216.126.90.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69AEA15245 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:08:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gar@darkcave.org) Received: from deep (gar@deep [216.126.90.100]) by deep.darkcave.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA58759; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:12:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:12:42 -0500 (EST) From: Gar To: Stephen Foster Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: USA_RESIDENT = YES or NO In-Reply-To: <000801bf41ce$4012b720$0200000a@office1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This can be found in the /etc/make.conf file. Garfield On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Stephen Foster wrote: > How do I change the variable for USA_RESIDENT = NO to USA_RESIDENT = YES in FreeBSD 3.3? > > Steve > fosterex@uswest.net > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 8 15: 9: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (lanshark.lanminds.com [208.25.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6634C15287 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:09:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from todd@lmi.net) Received: from drtboi.lanminds.com (drtboi.lmi.net [208.25.91.219]) by lanshark.lanminds.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA20860; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:08:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <000801bf41ce$4012b720$0200000a@office1> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 15:08:58 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: todd@lmi.net Organization: LMI.net From: Todd Meister To: Stephen Foster Subject: RE: USA_RESIDENT = YES or NO Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 08-Dec-99 Stephen Foster wrote: > How do I change the variable for USA_RESIDENT = NO to USA_RESIDENT = YES in > FreeBSD 3.3? One way is to set the variable in /etc/make.conf You just need to uncomment USA_RESIDENT= YES Or maybe you add the YES. I don't remember, fer sure. -Todd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 8 15: 9:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476AF1528E; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:09:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id PAA54539; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:08:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:08:59 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199912082308.PAA54539@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: fosterex@uswest.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: USA_RESIDENT = YES or NO In-Reply-To: <000801bf41ce$4012b720$0200000a@office1> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From: "Stephen Foster" >Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:47:47 -0700 [Including -questions, since it's probably better-suited for that list; leaving -newbies, so folks will have a clue as to what happened. dhw] >How do I change the variable for USA_RESIDENT =3D NO to USA_RESIDENT =3D = >YES in FreeBSD 3.3? That isn't so much an operating system issue as an issue of what shell you're using. Those strings are called "environment variables", and they are maintained by the "shell" (the process that reads the commands that you type and does something with them). There are a couple of major "families" of shells in common use nowadays: * Bourne shell (and other shells that use its syntax): sh, ksh, (bash?) * C shell (and descendants): csh, tcsh. (There are other shells around, but these are the more common ones.) If you use one of the former set, you type export USA_RESIDENT; USA_RESIDENT=YES (or, at least in ksh, you can enter both as a single command as "export USA_RESIDENT=YES"). If you use one of the latter, "setenv USA_RESIDENT YES" is the appropriate incantation. The information, in any case, ought to be available in the "man page" for the shell you are using at the time. Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 8 17:54:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cydonia.net (mail.cydonia.net [205.238.4.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91EAB14C0F for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:54:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keith@mail.cydonia.net) Received: from localhost (keith@localhost) by mail.cydonia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04226 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:47:27 -0800 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:47:27 -0800 (PST) From: To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Tape Archive Help Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've installed a Sony SuperStation. It comes up in the dmesg like this. wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 on isa wdc1: unit 0 (atapi): , removable, accel, iordy I've put the following command in and compiled a new kernel. # IDE tape driver - requires wdc controller and ATAPI option device wst0 Now,, How in the heck to I dump to the SuperStation? I've worked at this for a few hours and am completely stummped. wdc1 is the acctual controler so I know that is out of the question. In the dmesg there is this error after the wdc1 message wt0 not found at 0x300 In the MAKEDEV file it says this is a tape device. I can ls -l either wt0 or the wst0 . LINT says nothing of significance about wt0 so I'm at a loss on al fronts. Any help would be a blessing.. Thank you.. Keith To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 9 15: 2:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns.clientlogic.com (ns.clientlogic.com [207.51.66.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A34E15097; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:02:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ChrisMic@clientlogic.com) Received: by site0s1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:02:05 -0500 Message-ID: <6C37EE640B78D2118D2F00A0C90FCB4401105DF4@site2s1> From: Christopher Michaels To: 'David Wolfskill' , fosterex@uswest.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: USA_RESIDENT = YES or NO Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:02:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Or, in the case of that specific variable. You can edit /etc/make.conf and change it there. -Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: David Wolfskill [SMTP:dhw@whistle.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 6:09 PM > To: fosterex@uswest.net; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; > freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: USA_RESIDENT = YES or NO > > >From: "Stephen Foster" > >Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:47:47 -0700 > > [Including -questions, since it's probably better-suited for that list; > leaving -newbies, so folks will have a clue as to what happened. dhw] > > >How do I change the variable for USA_RESIDENT =3D NO to USA_RESIDENT =3D > = > >YES in FreeBSD 3.3? > > That isn't so much an operating system issue as an issue of what shell > you're using. > > Those strings are called "environment variables", and they are > maintained by the "shell" (the process that reads the commands that you > type and does something with them). > > There are a couple of major "families" of shells in common use nowadays: > > * Bourne shell (and other shells that use its syntax): sh, ksh, (bash?) > > * C shell (and descendants): csh, tcsh. > > (There are other shells around, but these are the more common ones.) > > If you use one of the former set, you type > > export USA_RESIDENT; USA_RESIDENT=YES (or, at least in ksh, you can > enter both as a single command as "export USA_RESIDENT=YES"). > > If you use one of the latter, "setenv USA_RESIDENT YES" is the > appropriate incantation. > > The information, in any case, ought to be available in the "man page" > for the shell you are using at the time. > > Cheers, > david > -- > David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System > Administrator > voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 9 19: 4:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com (zagnut.hotpop.com [204.57.55.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10CF415376 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:04:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kamidesu@hotpop.com) Received: from wingate (unknown [209.198.236.43]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D1B663A0E for ; Thu, 09 Dec 1999 22:04:22 -0500 (EST) From: m To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Newbie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.25.07 Message-Id: <19991210030422.7D1B663A0E@zagnut.hotpop.com> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 22:04:22 -0500 (EST) X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. I downloaded the bin cat and games, and Installed my FreeBSD 3.3 after a couple of days, and the X server after weeks. I like the multiuser environment, I'd love to try it on a network. By now, I'm the users and the Sysadmin. And I'm facing the next part of the install: audio and internet connectivity. If any of you know of any good and clear resources about FreeBSD please let me know. I already tried freebsd.org and some others sites. Thanks. -------------------------------------- "Nothing Unreal Exists". To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 9 20: 0:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE496153D8 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:00:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from max.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p231.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.231]) by f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA39990; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 04:59:49 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by max.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA02519; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 04:59:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 04:59:05 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@max.alleswirdgelber To: m Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie In-Reply-To: <19991210030422.7D1B663A0E@zagnut.hotpop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Welcome !! On Thu, 9 Dec 1999, m wrote: > > Hi. I downloaded the bin cat and games, and Installed my FreeBSD 3.3 > after a couple of days, and the X server after weeks. ;-) > > I like the multiuser environment, I'd love to try it on a network. By > now, I'm the users and the Sysadmin. And I'm facing the next part of the > install: audio and internet connectivity. You MUST download the handbook and FAQ too. Internet, man ppp, look for a ppp.conf file and change it a little bit for your needs. It used to sit in /etc/ppp, thats the place where it must be anyway, to find the file: find / -name "ppp.conf*" Lan things are very readable explained in the "Pedantic PPP Primer", www.freebsd.org..... > If any of you know of any good and clear resources about FreeBSD please > let me know. I already tried freebsd.org and some others sites. Thanks. There is a book, Greg Lehey, "The complete FreeBSD". fetchmail and pine, from the package collection, to be installed with pkg_add , was a start for me, you will want to have sendmail, see the FAQ about sendmail and dynamic IP. Ah, I dont know if you need PPP or are allready connected..... You need the kernel sources for your audio, see the handbook. Hope it helps. Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 10 6:25:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cell-works.com (cell-works.com [216.112.245.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CEA14D5F for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 06:25:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@cell-works.com) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by cell-works.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09493 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:34:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from john@cell-works.com) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:34:50 -0500 (EST) From: John Daniel To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: I have a question for question but I need help framing it.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i recently came across a website that shipped hard disks with linux already installed that you could put in a system and it would boot and then you could configure it. I want to figure out how to do the same thing with freebsd. Its not for profit a friend is trying to set up a webserver and I want to send him a disk to get him started.( plus i learn better if I have an interesting project rather then just reading. I want to ask the people on questions but I'm not sure how to frame the question. A message like this seems insufficient. Any suggestions for subquestions I should ask, Pages I could look at,...etc? thanks in advance John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hope that after I die, people will say of me : " That guy sure owed me a lot of money." -JH ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 10 8:31:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A56C1585D for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:31:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Networks.Manager@rncm.ac.uk) Received: from fs3.rncm.ac.uk ([193.63.96.102] helo=rncm.ac.uk) by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 11wSx9-000Moc-00; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:31:31 +0000 Received: from RNCM-FS3/SpoolDir by rncm.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 10 Dec 99 16:31:51 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by RNCM-FS3 (Mercury 1.44); 10 Dec 99 16:31:35 GMT Received: from beowulf (193.63.96.96) by rncm.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 10 Dec 99 16:31:29 GMT From: "Peter McGarvey" To: "John Daniel" , Subject: RE: I have a question for question but I need help framing it.. Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:31:26 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > i recently came across a website that shipped hard disks with linux > already installed that you could put in a system and it would boot and > then you could configure it. I want to figure out how to do the same thing > with freebsd. Its not for profit a friend is trying to set up a webserver > and I want to send him a disk to get him started.( plus i learn better if > I have an interesting project rather then just reading. I want to ask the > people on questions but I'm not sure how to frame the question. A message > like this seems insufficient. Any suggestions for subquestions I should > ask, Pages I could look at,...etc? Funny that. I learn't everything I know by just doing it. Tutorial and manuals are for wimps :) I only use them when I'm looking for answers to specific questions. On to your question... If you ask me a standard install should do it. I recently setup a machine and it ran fine. Up to the point that the motherboard died. I simply took the disk out, put it in another machine and it all worked fine, no tweaking or reconfiguring. You may need to check out how to enable/disable drivers upon boot. My machines were totally different but they did have the same type of NIC installed which probably helped. But you should be able to leave everything enabled and let the system work out what needs to be enabled and disabled. It will just make the boot process take slightly longer. TTFN, FNORD -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Peter McGarvey, Networks Manager | email: Networks.Manager@rncm.ac.uk Royal Northern College of Music | tel: +44 (0)161 907 5218 124 Oxford Road, Manchester, | fax: +44 (0)161 273 7611 England M13 9RD | mobile: +44 (0)7887 990564 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 10 14:51:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (lanshark.lanminds.com [208.25.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94ADD15426 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:51:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from todd@lmi.net) Received: from drtboi.lanminds.com (drtboi.lmi.net [208.25.91.219]) by lanshark.lanminds.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA25631; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:51:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:51:06 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: todd@lmi.net Organization: LMI.net From: Todd Meister To: keith@cydonia.net Subject: RE: Tape Archive Help Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This would probably be better on -questions. If you've already been helped, my apologies. Anyway... I suggest sending your whole dmesg output. You can find the actual message output from your last boot in /var/run/dmesg.boot From appearances, the wst0 and wt0 messages aren't related. -Todd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 10 19:38: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C76614F2D for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:38:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA65041 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:30:12 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:30:12 +1100 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199912110130.MAA65041@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Dec 11 12: 2:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from netcore.fi (netcore.fi [193.94.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9445714E3C for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:02:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pekkas@netcore.fi) Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15684 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:02:54 +0200 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:02:54 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Selecting which programs to keep in base system Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, I thought about posting this to freebsd-stable too, but I think this is more of a newbie/faq question. How can I manipulate -easily- which base system files (in e.g. /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin) will be installed/compiled when I cvsup the sources and make world ? The problem is, according to /var/log/setuid.today, I have ~70 files which are setuid root (95% of them from base system). Talk about security! I'd like to remove the ones I don't need and never hear of them again (like ppp*, r*, yp*). Also, having stuff like this along just takes some HDD space too. I couldn't care less of having e.g. some games in my system. So, are there any utilities to keep track which base programs/sources are installed and which are not - and how to keep them that way so that make world won't mess those up? Btw, regarding setuid.today.. are there any good "master" references which files in the base system really need to be +s ? I can't believe all ~70 of them have to be... Regards, Pekka Savola Btw, I don't subscribe to the list, so please CC this to me if anything comes up. 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