From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 14 6:23:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from boca.livius.net (boca.RO.EU.net [193.226.128.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFEA152F4; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 06:22:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ilg@livius.net) Received: from ilg-libretto (ilg-pc.RO.EU.net [193.226.128.201]) by boca.livius.net (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA24755; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:21:50 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ilg@livius.net) From: "Liviu Ionescu" To: Cc: "'freebsd-small@freebsd.org'" , Subject: 16 bit development tools? Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:22:40 +0300 Message-ID: <002e01beb668$fb435320$c980e2c1@ilg-libretto.ro.eu.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3764FB54.D9B9C197@telspace.alcatel.fr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Do you know of any FreeBSD tools allowing to compile short C/asm files into x86 (16bit) programs? (we are working on a dedicated machinery, and it would be great to have the whole development on FreeBSD, including the boot code). Regards, Liviu Ionescu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 14 9:23:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freja.webgiro.com (freja.webgiro.com [212.209.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39B014DC7; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:23:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7678018F7; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:23:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A9449EF; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:23:06 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:23:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Liviu Ionescu Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, "'freebsd-small@freebsd.org'" , stefan@netappi.com Subject: Re: 16 bit development tools? In-Reply-To: <002e01beb668$fb435320$c980e2c1@ilg-libretto.ro.eu.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, Liviu Ionescu wrote: > Do you know of any FreeBSD tools allowing to compile short C/asm files into > x86 (16bit) programs? (we are working on a dedicated machinery, and it would > be great to have the whole development on FreeBSD, including the boot code). /usr/ports/devel/bcc ? Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 15 3:13:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk (fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk [130.159.196.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DBC114D1D for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 03:13:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from muir-10 (roger@muir-10.cs.strath.ac.uk [130.159.148.10]) by fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA20685 Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:13:30 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <37662749.794B@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:13:29 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: University of Strathclyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; OSF1 V4.0 alpha) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: small@freebsd.org Subject: Floppy boot problems on old PC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have a floppy boot problem with an old PC. Firstly, my FreeBSD 2.2.5, 2.2.8 and 3.2 boot disks ALL work fine. However, I made PicoBSD disks on two different computers (one was a libretto runnin 3.2-stable one was my -current machine). The PicoBSD disks just fail on the old PC. But they work just great on every other PC in the lab. (I even changed the floppy drive to make sure) In one case, the computer thinks the floppy disk does not contain anything botable. In another case, I get Disk Error 0x02 (lba=0x10). Any ideas? Bye Roger -- Roger Hardiman | Telepresence Research Group roger@cs.strath.ac.uk | DMEM, University of Strathclyde tel: 0141 548 2897 | Glasgow, Scotland, G1 1XJ, UK fax: 0141 552 0557 | http://telepresence.dmem.strath.ac.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 15 4: 7: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freja.webgiro.com (freja.webgiro.com [212.209.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9A814C3B for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:06:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E657D18F7; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:06:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE5A49CC; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:06:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:06:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Roger Hardiman Cc: small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Floppy boot problems on old PC In-Reply-To: <37662749.794B@cs.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Roger Hardiman wrote: > > In one case, the computer thinks the floppy disk does > not contain anything botable. Some old BIOSes checked specifically for DOS signature, and if not found they proudly announced they couldn't find any OS on the disk. > > In another case, I get Disk Error 0x02 (lba=0x10). I don't remember the final conclusion, but this problem has been solved on freebsd-small. I.e. the reason was found - I don't remember any soplution, that is ... ;-) Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 15 7:26:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk (fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk [130.159.196.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A1C014EFC; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 07:26:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from muir-10 (roger@muir-10.cs.strath.ac.uk [130.159.148.10]) by fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA25964 Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:26:35 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3766629A.6231@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:26:35 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: University of Strathclyde X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; OSF1 V4.0 alpha) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@freebsd.org, small@freebsd.org Subject: Announcing PicoBSD 0.44 for -current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Announcing PicoBSD 0.44 availibility for -current. I have now upgraded FreeBSD 4.x-current to PicoBSD 0.44. This brings it into line with FreeBSD 3.2 which had already been updated to version 0.44 PicoBSD is a small, compact build of FreeBSD that can fit on a single floppy. http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd -- Roger Hardiman | Telepresence Research Group roger@cs.strath.ac.uk | DMEM, University of Strathclyde tel: 0141 548 2897 | Glasgow, Scotland, G1 1XJ, UK fax: 0141 552 0557 | http://telepresence.dmem.strath.ac.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jun 16 6:16:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from gully.hnett.no (gully.hnett.no [195.18.228.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1728615417 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 06:16:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from administrator@haugstad.com) Received: from age (unverified [195.18.228.104]) by gully.hnett.no (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:16:22 +0200 Reply-To: From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?=C5ge_J._Haugstad?=" To: Subject: What now? Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:16:14 +0200 Message-ID: <004401beb7fa$693831b0$c12ad9c1@age.jobak.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3766629A.6231@cs.strath.ac.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have never used any unix system before, but I found that PicoBSD might be suitable as an economic router/firewall. I am almost completele blank when it comes to unix, but if someone could point me to more basic info about PicoBSD. I get my pc started but there is no prompt, should there be or should I use Telnet? If Telnet is the way to go, what is the password and how do I set an IP to each card. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------ Åge J. Haugstad Egedesgt. 48A N-8650 MOSJØEN NORWAY Mail: mailto:administrator@haugstad.com Home: http://haugstad.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------ I'd rather die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers. ------------------------------------------------------------ Computers are great - for making errors in bulk. ------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jun 16 15:58:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379A314DC9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:58:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id IAA04391; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:57:45 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990617085740.12511@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:57:40 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: administrator@haugstad.com Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What now? References: <3766629A.6231@cs.strath.ac.uk> <004401beb7fa$693831b0$c12ad9c1@age.jobak.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3C004401beb7fa$693831b0$c12ad9c1=40age=2Ejobak=2Eno=3E?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3B_from_=C5ge_J=2E_Haugstad_on_Wed=2C_Jun_16=2C_1999_at_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?03=3A16=3A14PM_+0200?= Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 03:16:14PM +0200, Åge J. Haugstad wrote: > I have never used any unix system before, but I found that PicoBSD > might be suitable as an economic router/firewall. You always get what you pay for. With free unix you pay for it with study. Unix is not designed to be user-friendly, but it is designed to do its job very well. You have to become machine-friendly instead. PicoBSD is the worst way to learn unix that I can think of. It is a very cut down version of a large powerful operating system, set up to do a specific task for those who know what they are doing. There is no documentation, no "help", you just have to know it. A better idea would be to get yourself a 486 or better with at least 300MB disk space and install FreeBSD, not PicoBSD, and start learning. Buy the new (3rd) edition of The Complete FreeBSD and work through it. The book comes with a set of CDs from which you can install FreeBSD and thousands of programs. Go to www.freebsd.org and from there: 1 Follow the link at the bottom to FreeBSD Mall to buy the book and CDs 2 Follow the link under Documentation to the Newbies guide, and explore the many links on that page. Your 486 with a normal installation of FreeBSD will become a cheap router and firewall, about the time that you become someone who is actively learning about unix. Much later, when you really know what you're doing, you can apply what you know to using PicoBSD on a machine with less disk space, if you have a need to do it that way. Well that's my opinion. Others on this list are welcome to disagree. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 17 1:41:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from gully.hnett.no (gully.hnett.no [195.18.228.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 36C8114F6C for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 01:41:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from administrator@haugstad.com) Received: from age (unverified [195.18.228.104]) by gully.hnett.no (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:41:11 +0200 Reply-To: From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?=C5ge_J._Haugstad?=" To: Cc: "Sue Blake" Subject: RE: What now? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:41:07 +0200 Message-ID: <005601beb89d$24d297b0$c12ad9c1@age.jobak.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990617085740.12511@welearn.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I new that, it is just that I do not know if there should be a prompt after booting PicoBSD or not! Can you give me a yes or no? -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Sue Blake Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 12:58 AM To: administrator@haugstad.com Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What now? On Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 03:16:14PM +0200, Åge J. Haugstad wrote: > I have never used any unix system before, but I found that PicoBSD > might be suitable as an economic router/firewall. You always get what you pay for. With free unix you pay for it with study. Unix is not designed to be user-friendly, but it is designed to do its job very well. You have to become machine-friendly instead. PicoBSD is the worst way to learn unix that I can think of. It is a very cut down version of a large powerful operating system, set up to do a specific task for those who know what they are doing. There is no documentation, no "help", you just have to know it. A better idea would be to get yourself a 486 or better with at least 300MB disk space and install FreeBSD, not PicoBSD, and start learning. Buy the new (3rd) edition of The Complete FreeBSD and work through it. The book comes with a set of CDs from which you can install FreeBSD and thousands of programs. Go to www.freebsd.org and from there: 1 Follow the link at the bottom to FreeBSD Mall to buy the book and CDs 2 Follow the link under Documentation to the Newbies guide, and explore the many links on that page. Your 486 with a normal installation of FreeBSD will become a cheap router and firewall, about the time that you become someone who is actively learning about unix. Much later, when you really know what you're doing, you can apply what you know to using PicoBSD on a machine with less disk space, if you have a need to do it that way. Well that's my opinion. Others on this list are welcome to disagree. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 17 2: 5:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freja.webgiro.com (freja.webgiro.com [212.209.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF804152EA for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 02:05:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2E38E18F7; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:05:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D51749EF; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:05:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:05:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Sue Blake Cc: administrator@haugstad.com, small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What now? In-Reply-To: <19990617085740.12511@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 17 Jun 1999, Sue Blake wrote: > You always get what you pay for. With free unix you pay for it with study. > Unix is not designed to be user-friendly, but it is designed to do its > job very well. You have to become machine-friendly instead. > > PicoBSD is the worst way to learn unix that I can think of. It is a > very cut down version of a large powerful operating system, set up to > do a specific task for those who know what they are doing. There is no > documentation, no "help", you just have to know it. > > A better idea would be to get yourself a 486 or better with at least > 300MB disk space and install FreeBSD, not PicoBSD, and start learning. [...] > Well that's my opinion. Others on this list are welcome to disagree. I fully agree with you. PicoBSD is not for the faint of heart EVEN if you know Unix... :-/ Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 17 3: 1:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from accutek.com (accutek.com [204.212.171.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9021515E for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 03:01:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkunk@i.am) Received: from firemoth.engr.telegra.com (fury.accutek.com [204.212.171.195]) by accutek.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA14684 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 03:01:48 -0700 Received: by firemoth.engr.telegra.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BEB86D.BE009D90@firemoth.engr.telegra.com>; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 03:01:49 -0700 Message-ID: <01BEB86D.BE009D90@firemoth.engr.telegra.com> From: Pkunk Fury To: "'freebsd-small@freebsd.org'" Subject: SUBSCRIBE Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 03:01:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 17 3:16:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from accutek.com (accutek.com [204.212.171.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07643150C6 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 03:16:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkunk@i.am) Received: from firemoth.engr.telegra.com (fury.accutek.com [204.212.171.195]) by accutek.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA14838 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 03:16:31 -0700 Received: by firemoth.engr.telegra.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BEB86F.CBEF70A0@firemoth.engr.telegra.com>; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 03:16:31 -0700 Message-ID: <01BEB86F.CBEF70A0@firemoth.engr.telegra.com> From: Pkunk Fury To: "'freebsd-small@freebsd.org'" Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 03:16:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-small To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 17 7:37:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from accutek.com (accutek.com [204.212.171.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5303215325 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:37:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkunk@i.am) Received: from firemoth.engr.telegra.com (fury.accutek.com [204.212.171.195]) by accutek.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA19640 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:37:54 -0700 Received: by firemoth.engr.telegra.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BEB894.505EE720@firemoth.engr.telegra.com>; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:37:55 -0700 Message-ID: <01BEB894.505EE720@firemoth.engr.telegra.com> From: Pkunk Fury To: "'freebsd-small@freebsd.org'" Subject: PID rollover problems? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:37:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm using FreeBSD 3.2 with the PicoBSD build scripts to generate a small = UNIX environment, based on a 10meg solid state disk. Seems though, I'm = not getting PID rollover.. when the process id's hit 32767, things start = breaking.. and it never rolls back to the lowest available pid... anyone = else experiencing this? --Lawrence Cotnam Jr. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 17 7:55:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from tahiti.oss.uswest.net (tahiti.oss.uswest.net [204.147.85.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E2B14F26 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:55:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pmckenna@uswest.net) Received: from otto.oss.uswest.net (otto.oss.uswest.net [204.147.85.81]) by tahiti.oss.uswest.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA02824; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:55:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from pmckenna@uswest.net) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <005601beb89d$24d297b0$c12ad9c1@age.jobak.no> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:56:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Pete Mckenna To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?=C5ge_J._Haugstad?=" Subject: RE: What now? Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 17-Jun-99 Åge J. Haugstad wrote: > I new that, it is just that I do not know if there should be a prompt after > booting PicoBSD or not! Can you give me a yes or no? Yes it should have a prompt. Pete > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Sue Blake > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 12:58 AM > To: administrator@haugstad.com > Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: What now? > > > On Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 03:16:14PM +0200, Åge J. Haugstad wrote: >> I have never used any unix system before, but I found that PicoBSD >> might be suitable as an economic router/firewall. > > You always get what you pay for. With free unix you pay for it with study. > Unix is not designed to be user-friendly, but it is designed to do its > job very well. You have to become machine-friendly instead. > > PicoBSD is the worst way to learn unix that I can think of. It is a > very cut down version of a large powerful operating system, set up to > do a specific task for those who know what they are doing. There is no > documentation, no "help", you just have to know it. > > A better idea would be to get yourself a 486 or better with at least > 300MB disk space and install FreeBSD, not PicoBSD, and start learning. > Buy the new (3rd) edition of The Complete FreeBSD and work through it. > The book comes with a set of CDs from which you can install FreeBSD > and thousands of programs. > > Go to www.freebsd.org and from there: > 1 Follow the link at the bottom to FreeBSD Mall to buy the book and CDs > 2 Follow the link under Documentation to the Newbies guide, and explore > the many links on that page. > > Your 486 with a normal installation of FreeBSD will become a cheap > router and firewall, about the time that you become someone who is > actively learning about unix. > > Much later, when you really know what you're doing, you can apply what > you know to using PicoBSD on a machine with less disk space, if you > have a need to do it that way. > > Well that's my opinion. Others on this list are welcome to disagree. > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Pete Mckenna Date: 17-Jun-99 Time: 09:48:26 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 17 9:26: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from www.tech-nic.dk (www.tech-nic.dk [194.19.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D8D14F9E for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:25:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlarsen@tech-nic.net) Received: from tech-nic.net (pc3.tech-nic.dk [194.255.57.228]) by www.tech-nic.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10450 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:27:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <37691F50.BD7BE4A4@tech-nic.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:16:16 +0200 From: Michael Larsen Reply-To: mlarsen@tech-nic.net Organization: www.tech-nic.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What now? References: <3766629A.6231@cs.strath.ac.uk> <004401beb7fa$693831b0$c12ad9c1@age.jobak.no> <19990617085740.12511@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi I can only strongly agree to what sue says, in fact i think it's the ONLY way.. But if you have a urgent need for a working version, I can make you a prober iso file, that you can use on a floppy. Send me a mail including: Type of hardware (inside/outside) You ip addresse (official, and preffered if you use, or want to use NAT) list of roules (allow /deny) for you network. Etc. The version i make has no editor nor has it any telnet, telnetd or snmp. In fack it's a pretty striped version, made only from a security point of view. Realy the only thing you have to change is the root password. an run update (And you should) :) I build from (NET) V.044. Regards Michael Larsen Sue Blake wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 03:16:14PM +0200, Åge J. Haugstad wrote: > > I have never used any unix system before, but I found that PicoBSD > > might be suitable as an economic router/firewall. > > You always get what you pay for. With free unix you pay for it with study. > Unix is not designed to be user-friendly, but it is designed to do its > job very well. You have to become machine-friendly instead. > > PicoBSD is the worst way to learn unix that I can think of. It is a > very cut down version of a large powerful operating system, set up to > do a specific task for those who know what they are doing. There is no > documentation, no "help", you just have to know it. > > A better idea would be to get yourself a 486 or better with at least > 300MB disk space and install FreeBSD, not PicoBSD, and start learning. > Buy the new (3rd) edition of The Complete FreeBSD and work through it. > The book comes with a set of CDs from which you can install FreeBSD > and thousands of programs. > > Go to www.freebsd.org and from there: > 1 Follow the link at the bottom to FreeBSD Mall to buy the book and CDs > 2 Follow the link under Documentation to the Newbies guide, and explore > the many links on that page. > > Your 486 with a normal installation of FreeBSD will become a cheap > router and firewall, about the time that you become someone who is > actively learning about unix. > > Much later, when you really know what you're doing, you can apply what > you know to using PicoBSD on a machine with less disk space, if you > have a need to do it that way. > > Well that's my opinion. Others on this list are welcome to disagree. > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message -- Michael Larsen / mlarsen@tech-nic.net \ www.tech-nic.net -= Member of *BSD-Dk USER GROUP | www.bsd-dk.dk =- -- Bash# grep evil www.microsoft* | /dev/NULL -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 18 4:29:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.mugnolo.com (ns.mugnolo.com [209.133.83.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1DA14F95 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 04:29:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adrian@mugnolo.com) Received: from pulpo (ppp22.dialup1.fibertel.com.ar [24.232.8.22] (may be forged)) by mail.mugnolo.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA18901 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 04:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000101beb97d$e2330e80$0100a8c0@pulpo> From: "Adrian Mugnolo" To: Subject: Q: Minimal floppy mounted (rw) FreeBSD for SAH client Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:29:45 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I want to build a minimal, floppy based (rw), FreeBSD setup for running SETI@home's client. These are the features I need from it: 1) Can be one or two floppies. I would really like to understand the "magic" behind FreeBSD distribuition's standard "mfsroot" disk. I would like to know how to just replace it for example. 2) Must be able to recognize most PCI network cards. I plan to use a bunch of powerful desktop PCs (most Pentium IIs and IIIs) to contribute some good CPU power to the SAH project. They usually have at least four different NIC types (Intel, 3Com, TI). Windoze screensaver client is a tort(ure|oise) running so I would like to have a massive BSD installation without using hard disk storage (I will be using them at night). This will help with SAH's OS statistics too... ;-) 3) Must be able to get a DHCP address lease so it should have the BPF driver compiled in. I don't want to maintain individual rc files ("laziness is a virtue", Larry Wall dixit). 4) Must be able to store files in the floppy drive. A typical SAH directory requires 481 KB of storage for the working unit data and status files altogether. I don't want to loose a 90% finished working unit when someone presses [control+alt+delete]. 5) Doesn't really need init, neither users, neither multiuser mode, neither command shell. I can think in the following startup sequence: [power on] [boot kernel] dhclient setiathome [power off] I know this can be done. I know how to build such kernel and the tools (this "init" replacement, for example) but how to fit them on floppies, hmmm?... I have been using FreeBSD for a couple if years now. In all this time I couldn't find really good, simple, straight forward documentation on the bootdisk process. I wish [flame mode off] building a custom bootable kernel was as simple as LINUX's "make zdisk"... :-) BTW, is PicoBSD the shortest path for this minimal requirement? TIA. Regards, -AM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 18 9:18:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF8814BD0 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:18:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02352; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:18:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199906181618.JAA02352@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Q: Minimal floppy mounted (rw) FreeBSD for SAH client In-Reply-To: <000101beb97d$e2330e80$0100a8c0@pulpo> from Adrian Mugnolo at "Jun 18, 99 08:29:45 am" To: adrian@mugnolo.com (Adrian Mugnolo) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:18:01 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Adrian Mugnolo wrote: > BTW, is PicoBSD the shortest path for this minimal requirement? I believe so, yes. Probably the biggest challange will be to get the every-couple-of-seconds update to the state.txt file written to the floppy and flushed. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 18 9:27:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.mugnolo.com (ns.mugnolo.com [209.133.83.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202E5153CC for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:27:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adrian@mugnolo.com) Received: from APOLLO (interserver.lanacion.com.ar [209.13.139.38]) by mail.mugnolo.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA21317; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:26:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001601beb9a6$c7e8b920$f01f12ac@APOLLO> From: "Adrian Mugnolo" To: , References: <199906181618.JAA02352@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Q: Minimal floppy mounted (rw) FreeBSD for SAH client Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 13:22:01 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.207 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.207 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was thinking in writing an "init" replacement for that. A *very* minimal one with some "cron like" functionality. Fork once for the DHCP + SAH startup, fork every n seconds for the floppy flush operation. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chad R. Larson To: Adrian Mugnolo Cc: Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Q: Minimal floppy mounted (rw) FreeBSD for SAH client > As I recall, Adrian Mugnolo wrote: > > BTW, is PicoBSD the shortest path for this minimal requirement? > > I believe so, yes. > > Probably the biggest challange will be to get the > every-couple-of-seconds update to the state.txt file > written to the floppy and flushed. > > -crl > -- > Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? > chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net > DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message