From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Jul 11 2:52:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B15214F09 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 02:52:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 37676 invoked by uid 1001); 11 Jul 1999 09:52:44 +0000 (GMT) To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: 3.2-STABLE up & running on Abit BP6 (dual Celeron socket370) From: sthaug@nethelp.no X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:52:44 +0200 Message-ID: <37674.931686764@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bought myself an Abit BP6 board and a couple of Celeron 366 processors the other day. This is a dual socket 370 board - Intel of course doesn't want you to do this, but it makes for a very nice and inexpensive MP platform. Been running very smoothly so far, and it's now happily doing a buildworld. Below you'll find dmesg and mptable for the system. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.2-19990708-STABLE #1: Sun Jul 11 11:09:03 CEST 1999 sthaug@celery.nethelp.no:/usr/src/sys/compile/CELERY_MP Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Celeron (686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x665 Stepping = 5 Features=0x183fbff real memory = 268435456 (262144K bytes) avail memory = 258351104 (252296K bytes) Programming 24 pins in IOAPIC #0 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 1, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 io0 (APIC): apic id: 2, version: 0x00170011, at 0xfec00000 Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x03 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x03 on pci0.1.0 chip2: rev 0x02 on pci0.7.0 ide_pci0: rev 0x01 on pci0.7.1 chip3: rev 0x02 on pci0.7.3 ncr0: rev 0x03 int a irq 17 on pci0.13.0 fxp0: rev 0x04 int a irq 16 on pci0.15.0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:a0:c9:b6:df:4b Probing for devices on PCI bus 1: vga0: rev 0x5c int a irq 16 on pci1.0.0 Probing for PnP devices: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 on isa sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard atkbd0 irq 1 on isa psm0 not found sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0xa0ffa0ff on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): , DMA, 32-bit, multi-block-16 wd0: 9671MB (19807200 sectors), 19650 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface APIC_IO: Testing 8254 interrupt delivery APIC_IO: routing 8254 via pin 2 Waiting 3 seconds for SCSI devices to settle SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! changing root device to wd0s1a ffs_mountfs: superblock updated for soft updates ffs_mountfs: superblock updated for soft updates ffs_mountfs: superblock updated for soft updates ---------------------------------------------------------------------- =============================================================================== MPTable, version 2.0.15 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Floating Pointer Structure: location: BIOS physical address: 0x000f5b30 signature: '_MP_' length: 16 bytes version: 1.1 checksum: 0x80 mode: Virtual Wire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Config Table Header: physical address: 0x000f1400 signature: 'PCMP' base table length: 260 version: 1.1 checksum: 0xfd OEM ID: 'OEM00000' Product ID: 'PROD00000000' OEM table pointer: 0x00000000 OEM table size: 0 entry count: 24 local APIC address: 0xfee00000 extended table length: 0 extended table checksum: 0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Config Base Table Entries: -- Processors: APIC ID Version State Family Model Step Flags 0 0x11 BSP, usable 6 6 5 0xfbff 1 0x11 AP, usable 6 6 5 0xfbff -- Bus: Bus ID Type 0 PCI 1 PCI 2 ISA -- I/O APICs: APIC ID Version State Address 2 0x11 usable 0xfec00000 -- I/O Ints: Type Polarity Trigger Bus ID IRQ APIC ID PIN# ExtINT conforms conforms 2 0 2 0 INT conforms conforms 2 1 2 1 INT conforms conforms 2 0 2 2 INT conforms conforms 2 3 2 3 INT conforms conforms 2 4 2 4 INT conforms conforms 2 6 2 6 INT conforms conforms 2 7 2 7 INT active-hi edge 2 8 2 8 INT conforms conforms 2 9 2 9 INT conforms conforms 2 13 2 13 INT conforms conforms 2 14 2 14 INT conforms conforms 2 15 2 15 INT active-lo level 2 10 2 16 INT active-lo level 2 12 2 17 INT active-lo level 2 11 2 18 INT active-lo level 2 5 2 19 -- Local Ints: Type Polarity Trigger Bus ID IRQ APIC ID PIN# ExtINT conforms conforms 2 0 255 0 NMI conforms conforms 2 0 255 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # SMP kernel config file options: # Required: options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O # Optional (built-in defaults will work in most cases): #options NCPU=2 # number of CPUs #options NBUS=3 # number of busses #options NAPIC=1 # number of IO APICs #options NINTR=24 # number of INTs =============================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Jul 11 4:13:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from solaris.matti.ee (solaris.matti.ee [194.126.98.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705E314C0C for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:13:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vallo@matti.ee) Received: from myhakas.matti.ee (myhakas.matti.ee [194.126.114.87]) by solaris.matti.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07729; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:13:32 +0300 (EET DST) Received: by myhakas.matti.ee (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D9A661F93; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:13:38 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:13:38 +0300 From: Vallo Kallaste To: sthaug@nethelp.no Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.2-STABLE up & running on Abit BP6 (dual Celeron socket370) Message-ID: <19990711141338.B30695@myhakas.matti.ee> Reply-To: vallo@matti.ee References: <37674.931686764@verdi.nethelp.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37674.931686764@verdi.nethelp.no>; from sthaug@nethelp.no on Sun, Jul 11, 1999 at 11:52:44AM +0200 Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?AS_Matti_B=FCrootehnika?= Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jul 11, 1999 at 11:52:44AM +0200, sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > Bought myself an Abit BP6 board and a couple of Celeron 366 processors > the other day. This is a dual socket 370 board - Intel of course doesn't > want you to do this, but it makes for a very nice and inexpensive MP > platform. Been running very smoothly so far, and it's now happily doing > a buildworld. Thanks for reporting it! So it really works for FreeBSD at least on the Abit board. -- Vallo Kallaste vallo@matti.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Jul 11 4:17:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CF08D14C0C for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:17:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 38314 invoked by uid 1001); 11 Jul 1999 11:17:14 +0000 (GMT) To: vallo@matti.ee Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.2-STABLE up & running on Abit BP6 (dual Celeron socket370) From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:13:38 +0300" References: <19990711141338.B30695@myhakas.matti.ee> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:17:13 +0200 Message-ID: <38312.931691833@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Bought myself an Abit BP6 board and a couple of Celeron 366 processors > > the other day. This is a dual socket 370 board - Intel of course doesn't > > want you to do this, but it makes for a very nice and inexpensive MP > > platform. Been running very smoothly so far, and it's now happily doing > > a buildworld. > > Thanks for reporting it! So it really works for FreeBSD at least on the > Abit board. Yup. Finished the buildworld now, clocked in at 56 minutes. This is with only one IBM 10 GB IDE disk. Will try some more as soon as I have moved a Cheetah over to the new machine. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Jul 11 5:16:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F99314F87 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 05:16:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02314 for freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:16:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:16:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <199907111216.OAA02314@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.2-STABLE up & running on Abit BP6 (dual Celeron socket370) Organization: Administration Heim 3 Reply-To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 RZTUC(3) PL2] Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org sthaug@nethelp.no wrote in list.freebsd-smp: > Yup. Finished the buildworld now, clocked in at 56 minutes. This is > with only one IBM 10 GB IDE disk. Will try some more as soon as I have > moved a Cheetah over to the new machine. I'd be interested to hear how stable your system is running under real load (i.e. load > 5 or even > 10, and with serious hard disk and network activity). My dual Celeron-466 system freezes after some random time (could be a few hours) under heavy load (no panic, keyboard is dead, so I can't get into DDB). A simple "make world" is usually not enough to reproduce the problem. The system runs perfectly fine with a UP kernel (tried it with both CPUs). The problem seems to occur less frequently with 4.0-current (a snapshot from June 22nd); it usually takes 2 or 3 days until it freezes. But the problem is still there. (BTW, I'm running the system overclocked to 2 x 525 MHz, but the problem is not related to that at all. It occurs at 466 MHz just the same.) Regards Oliver PS: This is an MSI 6120 mainboard with two MSI slot adapters which have a jumper for dual Celeron support, two Celeron-466 (PPGA) "in the box", 128 Mb of PC100 ECC memory. The network interface is an MX (Macronix?) 100Mbps card, and there's an old NCR810 Fast-SCSI adapter and an even older ISA VGA card (text mode only, no XFree). Nothing else (well, floppy drive and PS/2 keyboard). PPS: Is there a way I can provide any debug information if the system just freezes? It looks like a deadlock somewhere in the kernel. PPPS: "make buildworld" is 52 minutes here, with an old (slow) IBM DCAS connected to the mentioned NCR810 adapter. -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Jul 11 6:53:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5716814C01 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 06:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 39456 invoked by uid 1001); 11 Jul 1999 13:53:41 +0000 (GMT) To: olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.2-STABLE up & running on Abit BP6 (dual Celeron socket370) From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:16:47 +0200 (CEST)" References: <199907111216.OAA02314@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 15:53:41 +0200 Message-ID: <39454.931701221@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Yup. Finished the buildworld now, clocked in at 56 minutes. This is > > with only one IBM 10 GB IDE disk. Will try some more as soon as I have > > moved a Cheetah over to the new machine. > > I'd be interested to hear how stable your system is running > under real load (i.e. load > 5 or even > 10, and with serious > hard disk and network activity). I had a load of > 5 during buildworld. But no serious network activity. Any idea of things I should try to see if I can reproduce your problem? Would a continuous ttcp running during buildworld do the trick? Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Jul 11 7:10:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from solaris.matti.ee (solaris.matti.ee [194.126.98.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389B614D25 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 07:10:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vallo@matti.ee) Received: from myhakas.matti.ee (myhakas.matti.ee [194.126.114.87]) by solaris.matti.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11867; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:10:21 +0300 (EET DST) Received: by myhakas.matti.ee (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1F2581F93; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:10:27 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:10:27 +0300 From: Vallo Kallaste To: sthaug@nethelp.no Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.2-STABLE up & running on Abit BP6 (dual Celeron socket370) Message-ID: <19990711171027.A41983@myhakas.matti.ee> Reply-To: vallo@matti.ee References: <199907111216.OAA02314@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> <39454.931701221@verdi.nethelp.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <39454.931701221@verdi.nethelp.no>; from sthaug@nethelp.no on Sun, Jul 11, 1999 at 03:53:41PM +0200 Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?AS_Matti_B=FCrootehnika?= Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jul 11, 1999 at 03:53:41PM +0200, sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > > I'd be interested to hear how stable your system is running > > under real load (i.e. load > 5 or even > 10, and with serious > > hard disk and network activity). > > I had a load of > 5 during buildworld. But no serious network > activity. Any idea of things I should try to see if I can > reproduce your problem? Would a continuous ttcp running during > buildworld do the trick? If load is the only concern then mix of continuous make -j20 buildworld, ttcp and packing 20-30 mp3's at the time can be something near to real. -- Vallo Kallaste vallo@matti.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Jul 11 9:38:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from aurora.sol.net (aurora.sol.net [206.55.65.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509EC14CAB for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:38:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgreco@aurora.sol.net) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by aurora.sol.net (8.9.2/8.9.2/SNNS-1.02) id LAA83529; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:38:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199907111638.LAA83529@aurora.sol.net> Subject: Re: SMP comparisons In-Reply-To: from Julian Elischer at "Jul 9, 1999 7:45:49 pm" To: julian@whistle.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:38:43 -0500 (CDT) Cc: smp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The main motivating factor for those who have strong feeling in the matter > is fear. Either fear that -current will be destabilised (Well DUH, > Helloooo, It's -current...) or fear that Matt will be a divisive > influence. (go figure) "Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to _suffering_!" I hate to think that FreeBSD is trailing Linux, and the conclusion I come to is that things like this do not help the situation any. A requirement for a "stable" -CURRENT is complete crap... sure, stability should be a goal, but heck... any major work on the kernel has always resulted in instability. John Dyson's VM work left things shaky or awful for days or weeks at a time. The SMP integration had some serious issues. I think the CAM integration had some lesser ones. These were all valuable and necessary changes, and we tolerated these. If you want a stable -CURRENT, you should be running -STABLE. To core: FreeBSD has been a great OS for years. However, in order to continue, there must be a constant emphasis on evolving the technology and keeping it competitive. You've already lost the edge, at least in the SMP environment. Regaining the lead, or even a respectable position in the race, is going to be hard as it is... and much harder if this sort of paranoia continues. Please reconsider. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Jul 11 11: 1:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBE914BE6 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:01:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA05923 for freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:01:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:01:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <199907111801.UAA05923@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.2-STABLE up & running on Abit BP6 (dual Celeron socket370) Organization: Administration Heim 3 Reply-To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 RZTUC(3) PL2] Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org sthaug@nethelp.no wrote in list.freebsd-smp: > > > Yup. Finished the buildworld now, clocked in at 56 minutes. This is > > > with only one IBM 10 GB IDE disk. Will try some more as soon as I have > > > moved a Cheetah over to the new machine. > > > > I'd be interested to hear how stable your system is running > > under real load (i.e. load > 5 or even > 10, and with serious > > hard disk and network activity). > > I had a load of > 5 during buildworld. But no serious network > activity. Any idea of things I should try to see if I can > reproduce your problem? Would a continuous ttcp running during > buildworld do the trick? I let a buildworld run, compiled two or three ports (anything that takes long enough, e.g. Gimp and XFree, in a loop), multiple scp tasks to and from the box. All that at the same time, of course, and at least for a few hours. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Jul 11 11: 3:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6139114F00 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:03:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA05946 for freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:03:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:03:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <199907111803.UAA05946@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP comparisons Organization: Administration Heim 3 Reply-To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 RZTUC(3) PL2] Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe Greco wrote in list.freebsd-smp: > > The main motivating factor for those who have strong feeling in the matter > > is fear. Either fear that -current will be destabilised (Well DUH, > > Helloooo, It's -current...) or fear that Matt will be a divisive > > influence. (go figure) > > "Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to > hate, hate leads to _suffering_!" :-) > [...] > To core: FreeBSD has been a great OS for years. However, in order to > continue, there must be a constant emphasis on evolving the technology and > keeping it competitive. You've already lost the edge, at least in the > SMP environment. Regaining the lead, or even a respectable position in > the race, is going to be hard as it is... and much harder if this sort of > paranoia continues. > > Please reconsider. I second that. Please, pretty please. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Jul 11 18:27:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E9D14FBF for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:27:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adsharma@c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com) Received: from c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com ([24.0.69.165]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990712012427.UFZH8807.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com> for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:24:27 -0700 Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA26755; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:24:22 -0700 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:24:22 -0700 Message-Id: <199907120124.SAA26755@c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com> To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: sleep channel and schedcpu From: Arun Sharma Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Some thougths on what to do once the basic SMP primitives are in, and reasonable locking granularity is achieved in FreeBSD. (a) Sleep channels need to be done away with and replaced by condition variables. The reasoning: (1) More than one thread may be blocked on the same resource, but on a different condition of the same resource. Condition variables should solve the problem. (2) Multiple resource may map to the same hash queue, resulting in wakeup() having to search the hash queues. (3) In a SMP environment, access to the sleep queue will have to be serialized. So people working on sync primitives, make sure that your primitives contain their own queues and do not use sleep channels. (b) schedcpu() gets called once every second. This may be bad for servers with a large number of processes. A better solution would be SysV like scheduling classes, which are event driven and which update the priority of a process every 4 tick or whatever and during sleep and wakeup. Both of these points are from the Unix internals book by Uresh Vahalia. -Arun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Jul 11 19: 5:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from ivory.lm.com (ivory.telerama.com [205.201.1.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E59614EE9 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 19:05:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from evs@telerama.com) Received: from mvehpc (d13-24.dyn.telerama.com [205.201.41.216]) by ivory.lm.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA02156; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005501becc0a$c1a38150$6f27abcd@mvehpc.evs.slip.lm.com> Reply-To: "Mikhail V. Evstiounin" From: "Mikhail V. Evstiounin" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: 3.2-STABLE up & running on Abit BP6 (dual Celeron socket370) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:03:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am using ABit boards since 1997 - starting from sm5 - installed different versions of FreeBSD - 2.2.X, 3.0, 3.1 (3.2 - not yet) never had a problem (I used different CPUs -Intel Pentium, AMD K5, K6, K6-2). Didn't tried any SMP. -----Original Message----- From: Vallo Kallaste To: sthaug@nethelp.no Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sunday, July 11, 1999 7:14 AM Subject: Re: 3.2-STABLE up & running on Abit BP6 (dual Celeron socket370) >On Sun, Jul 11, 1999 at 11:52:44AM +0200, sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > >> Bought myself an Abit BP6 board and a couple of Celeron 366 processors >> the other day. This is a dual socket 370 board - Intel of course doesn't >> want you to do this, but it makes for a very nice and inexpensive MP >> platform. Been running very smoothly so far, and it's now happily doing >> a buildworld. > >Thanks for reporting it! So it really works for FreeBSD at least on the >Abit board. >-- > >Vallo Kallaste >vallo@matti.ee > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Jul 11 21: 5:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from xwin.nmhtech.com (xwin.nmhtech.com [208.138.46.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 858FD14BF3 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:05:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nicole@xwin.nmhtech.com) Received: by xwin.nmhtech.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3DF122EE1A; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Content-Length: 2369 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199907111803.UAA05946@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:05:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicole Harrington To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP comparisons Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 11-Jul-99 My Secret Spies Reported That Oliver Fromme wrote: > Joe Greco wrote in list.freebsd-smp: > > > The main motivating factor for those who have strong feeling in the > matter > > > is fear. Either fear that -current will be destabilised (Well DUH, > > > Helloooo, It's -current...) or fear that Matt will be a divisive > > > influence. (go figure)=20 > >=20 > > "Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads = to > > hate, hate leads to _suffering_!" >=20 >:-) >=20 > > [...] > > To core: FreeBSD has been a great OS for years. However, in order to > > continue, there must be a constant emphasis on evolving the technology= and > > keeping it competitive. You've already lost the edge, at least in the > > SMP environment. Regaining the lead, or even a respectable position i= n > > the race, is going to be hard as it is... and much harder if this sort= of > > paranoia continues. > >=20 > > Please reconsider. >=20 > I second that. Please, pretty please. >=20 I third that! If everything was perfect the first time, there would be no trying. This whole thing is starting to sound like a Dilbert cartoon! "What do you mean the server crashed. I want a list of all future unplanne= d outages!" Current =3D Beta Stable =3D bleeding edge Release =3D safe Nicole > Regards > Oliver >=20 > --=20 > Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany > (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) >=20 > "In jedem St=FCck Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" > (Terry Pratchett) >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message =20 |\ __ /| (`\ =20 | o_o |__ ) ) =20 // \\ =20 nicole@nmhtech.com | http://www.nmhtech.com/ nicole@dangermouse.org | http://www.dangermouse.org/ --------------------(((---(((----------------------- - Powered by FreeBSD - - I'm not ADD - I'm just Multithreaded - -- Systems Networking, Administration, Consulting -- nicole@nmhtech.com - www.nmhtech.com * Custom Solutions for an non-standard world * ------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Jul 11 21:27:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 284E014FA1 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:27:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: (qmail 70974 invoked from network); 12 Jul 1999 04:27:23 -0000 Received: from shell-1.enteract.com (dscheidt@207.229.143.40) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 1999 04:27:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:27:22 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt To: Nicole Harrington Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP comparisons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 11 Jul 1999, Nicole Harrington wrote: > > On 11-Jul-99 My Secret Spies Reported That Oliver Fromme wrote: > > > > > > Please reconsider. > > I second that. Please, pretty please. > > I third that! If everything was perfect the first time, there would be no Indeed. Matt does good work. He appears to have the time and energy to do this work for FreeBSD. It would be a shame to have him go do it for someone else, for what appear to be pretty petty political reasons. > > Current = Beta > Stable = bleeding edge > Release = safe Surely -STABLE should be stable? David Scheidt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 12 1:28:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mel.alcatel.fr (mel.alcatel.fr [212.208.74.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C60B150C4 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 01:28:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thierry.herbelot@alcatel.fr) Received: from aifhs2.alcatel.fr (mailhub.alcatel.fr [155.132.180.80]) by mel.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/SMTP) with ESMTP id JAA08366; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:21:59 +0200 Received: from lune.telspace.alcatel.fr (lune.telspace.alcatel.fr [155.132.144.65]) by aifhs2.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/SMTP2) with ESMTP id KAA15374; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:19:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from telss1 (telss1.telspace.alcatel.fr [155.132.51.4]) by lune.telspace.alcatel.fr (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14059; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:02:56 +0200 (MEST) Received: from alcatel.fr by telss1 (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id KAA19815; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:10:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3789A3AF.5FAF8B3D@alcatel.fr> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:13:35 +0200 From: Thierry Herbelot Organization: ALCATEL CIT Nanterre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sthaug@nethelp.no Cc: vallo@matti.ee, freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.2-STABLE up & running on Abit BP6 (dual Celeron socket370) References: <19990711141338.B30695@myhakas.matti.ee> <38312.931691833@verdi.nethelp.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This BP6 is quite interesting ! I built world with a pair of '333 and an oldish 1G IDE drive in a bit less time than you (53 mins ?) did you use soft updates on your /usr/obj partition ? TfH PS : from what I've seen in the BIOS, this little board is an overclocker's dream. sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > > > > Bought myself an Abit BP6 board and a couple of Celeron 366 processors > > > the other day. This is a dual socket 370 board - Intel of course doesn't > > > want you to do this, but it makes for a very nice and inexpensive MP > > > platform. Been running very smoothly so far, and it's now happily doing > > > a buildworld. > > > > Thanks for reporting it! So it really works for FreeBSD at least on the > > Abit board. > > Yup. Finished the buildworld now, clocked in at 56 minutes. This is > with only one IBM 10 GB IDE disk. Will try some more as soon as I have > moved a Cheetah over to the new machine. > > Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 12 1:39: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F5371518C for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 01:38:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 51933 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Jul 1999 08:36:53 +0000 (GMT) To: thierry.herbelot@alcatel.fr Cc: vallo@matti.ee, freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.2-STABLE up & running on Abit BP6 (dual Celeron socket370) From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:13:35 +0200" References: <3789A3AF.5FAF8B3D@alcatel.fr> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:36:53 +0200 Message-ID: <51931.931768613@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > This BP6 is quite interesting ! > > I built world with a pair of '333 and an oldish 1G IDE drive in a bit > less time than you (53 mins ?) > > did you use soft updates on your /usr/obj partition ? Yes. Did another experiment yesterday, this time with -j8 and /usr/obj on a separate Seagate Cheetah disk. Result: 50 minutes. This is for a 3.2-STABLE build with CFLAGS= -O -pipe NOSUIDPERL= true NO_SENDMAIL= true in /etc/make.conf. I've had several comments that indicate I should expect even less than 50mins - so I'll experiment some more. The overclocking possibilities look good, but I'm going to let it run continuous buildworlds for a week or so before I start to experiment with overclocking. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 12 1:56:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1832B14CDF for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 01:56:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA21840 for freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:56:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:56:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <199907120856.KAA21840@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.2-STABLE up & running on Abit BP6 (dual Celeron socket370) Organization: Administration Heim 3 Reply-To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 RZTUC(3) PL2] Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org sthaug@nethelp.no wrote in list.freebsd-smp: > I've had several comments that indicate I should expect even less than > 50mins - so I'll experiment some more. If you have much'o RAM, you could try to put /usr/src into an MFS, this might save some I/O. I don't think it would be worth much to do that with /usr/obj when you're using soft-updates. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 12 2:32:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mel.alcatel.fr (mel.alcatel.fr [212.208.74.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D773014C18 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 02:32:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thierry.herbelot@alcatel.fr) Received: from aifhs2.alcatel.fr (mailhub.alcatel.fr [155.132.180.80]) by mel.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/SMTP) with ESMTP id KAA30638; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:26:09 +0200 Received: from lune.telspace.alcatel.fr (lune.telspace.alcatel.fr [155.132.144.65]) by aifhs2.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/SMTP2) with ESMTP id LAA26377; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:23:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from telss1 (telss1.telspace.alcatel.fr [155.132.51.4]) by lune.telspace.alcatel.fr (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21903; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:14:06 +0200 (MEST) Received: from alcatel.fr by telss1 (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id LAA22022; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:21:16 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3789B462.47FE4375@alcatel.fr> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:24:50 +0200 From: Thierry Herbelot Reply-To: thierry.herbelot@alcatel.fr Organization: ALCATEL CIT Nanterre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sthaug@nethelp.no Cc: vallo@matti.ee, freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.2-STABLE up & running on Abit BP6 (dual Celeron socket370) References: <3789A3AF.5FAF8B3D@alcatel.fr> <51931.931768613@verdi.nethelp.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org One other interesting thing about the BP6 is the ATA-66 port (for which sos is - will be ? - writing a driver) but this driver could force an upgrade to 4.0, which may be risky in the near future (as -Current seems to go to an "experimental" status) TfH sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > > > This BP6 is quite interesting ! > > > > I built world with a pair of '333 and an oldish 1G IDE drive in a bit > > less time than you (53 mins ?) > > > > did you use soft updates on your /usr/obj partition ? > > Yes. Did another experiment yesterday, this time with -j8 and /usr/obj > on a separate Seagate Cheetah disk. Result: 50 minutes. This is for a > 3.2-STABLE build with > > CFLAGS= -O -pipe > NOSUIDPERL= true > NO_SENDMAIL= true > > in /etc/make.conf. > > I've had several comments that indicate I should expect even less than > 50mins - so I'll experiment some more. > > The overclocking possibilities look good, but I'm going to let it run > continuous buildworlds for a week or so before I start to experiment > with overclocking. > > Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 12 3: 2: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F23F14BFF for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 03:02:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA28869; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:00:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <199907121000.MAA28869@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: 3.2-STABLE up & running on Abit BP6 (dual Celeron socket370) In-Reply-To: <3789B462.47FE4375@alcatel.fr> from Thierry Herbelot at "Jul 12, 1999 11:24:50 am" To: thierry.herbelot@alcatel.fr Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:00:45 +0200 (CEST) Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no, vallo@matti.ee, freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It seems Thierry Herbelot wrote: > One other interesting thing about the BP6 is the ATA-66 port (for which > sos is - will be ? - writing a driver) I will be, havn't gotten my board yet, hollyday season here... But as soon as I get it I'll look into it. Does the kernel find the PCI device already ?? just curious... -Sĝren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 12 3:13:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from drago.cert.org.tw (drago.cert.org.tw [140.117.100.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CC71516F for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 03:13:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from foxfair@drago.cert.org.tw) Received: from foxfair (foxfair.cc.nsysu.edu.tw [140.117.100.101]) by drago.cert.org.tw (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA62757; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:14:04 +0800 (CST) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:13:01 +0800 From: Foxfair Hu To: Soren Schmidt Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.2-STABLE up & running on Abit BP6 (dual Celeron socket370) In-Reply-To: <199907121000.MAA28869@freebsd.dk> References: <3789B462.47FE4375@alcatel.fr> <199907121000.MAA28869@freebsd.dk> Message-Id: <3789BFAD168.11C8FOXFAIR@drago.cert.org.tw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.25.04 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:00:45 +0200 (CEST) Soren Schmidt wrote: :It seems Thierry Herbelot wrote: : :I will be, havn't gotten my board yet, hollyday season here... :But as soon as I get it I'll look into it. :Does the kernel find the PCI device already ?? just curious... Ok, here is dmesg from my BP6 box. =3d=3d=3d=3d Copyright (c) 1992-1999 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #14: Mon Jul 12 10:00:41 CST 1999 [.........quote..........] npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard ci0: on pcib0 chip0: at device 0.0 on pci0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 ata-pci0: at device 7.1 on pci0 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ata-pci0: Busmastering DMA supported ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ata0 at 0x01f0 irq 14 on ata-pci0 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ata1 at 0x0170 irq 15 on ata-pci0 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ chip1: irq 5 at device 7.2 on pci0 chip2: at device 7.3 on pci0 vga-pci0: irq 19 at device 9.0 on pci0 fxp0: irq 17 at device 13.0 on pc= i0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:c0:0c:70:03:54 isa0: on motherboard atkbdc0: at port 0x60-0x6f on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 vga0: at port 0x3b0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=3d0x200> sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 sio1: type 16550A ppc0 at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 flags 0x40 on isa0 ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode plip0: on ppbus 0 lpt0: on ppbus 0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus 0 pcm0 at port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 on isa0 APIC_IO: Testing 8254 interrupt delivery APIC_IO: routing 8254 via pin 2 SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! ata0: master: setting up UDMA2 mode on PIIX4 chip OK ad0: ATA-4 disk at ata0 as master ad0: 12949MB (26520480 sectors), 26310 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ad0: piomode=3d4, dmamode=3d2, udmamode=3d2 ad0: 16 secs/int, 31 depth queue, DMA mode acd0: CDROM drive at ata1 as master acd0: drive speed 5512KB/sec, 128KB cache acd0: supported read types: CD-R, CD-RW, CD-DA, packet track acd0: Audio: play, 256 volume levels acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray acd0: Medium: CD-ROM 120mm data disc loaded, unlocked ata1: unwanted interrupt 1 status =3d 01 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ata_command: timeout waiting for interrupt ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ changing root device to wd0s1a =3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d= =3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d=3d Error ata_command here. && the UDMA66 controller is made from HPT(HighPoint Tech. Co.), if need any extra info please let me know. :) : :-S=f8ren : Cheers, -Foxfair. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 12 5:42:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mel.alcatel.fr (mel.alcatel.fr [212.208.74.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5455414DAF for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 05:42:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thierry.herbelot@alcatel.fr) Received: from aifhs2.alcatel.fr (mailhub.alcatel.fr [155.132.180.80]) by mel.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/SMTP) with ESMTP id NAA14676; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:35:51 +0200 Received: from lune.telspace.alcatel.fr (lune.telspace.alcatel.fr [155.132.144.65]) by aifhs2.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/SMTP2) with ESMTP id OAA28335; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:33:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from telss1 (telss1.telspace.alcatel.fr [155.132.51.4]) by lune.telspace.alcatel.fr (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA08575; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:13:52 +0200 (MEST) Received: from alcatel.fr by telss1 (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id OAA27119; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:20:56 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3789DE7F.A0CB9905@alcatel.fr> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:24:31 +0200 From: Thierry Herbelot Reply-To: thierry.herbelot@alcatel.fr Organization: ALCATEL CIT Nanterre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Soren Schmidt Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.2-STABLE up & running on Abit BP6 (dual Celeron socket370) References: <199907121000.MAA28869@freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'll send you my dmesg as soon as I get home TfH PS : I had to go around most of Paris to find a BP6 (the price was nice : less than FF 1K, including 18,6 VAT, that is around 150 euros) Soren Schmidt wrote: > > It seems Thierry Herbelot wrote: > > One other interesting thing about the BP6 is the ATA-66 port (for which > > sos is - will be ? - writing a driver) > > I will be, havn't gotten my board yet, hollyday season here... > But as soon as I get it I'll look into it. > Does the kernel find the PCI device already ?? just curious... > > -Sĝren > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 12 7:27:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mailer.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp (ns.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp [210.161.209.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2913F14DD6 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:27:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp) Received: from localhost (ns1.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp [210.161.209.138]) by mailer.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp (8.9.3/3.7W10/03/98) with ESMTP id XAA04229 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:27:08 +0900 (JST) To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP comparisons References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on XEmacs 20.4 (Emerald) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <19990712232708Y.ken@ns1.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:27:08 +0900 From: Takeshi Yamada X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 136 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I give a vote to this, too, from just a user standpoint. Present -current is stabler than to be. (Don't need to care about "crashed with yesterday's -current". -current is such thing.) May need some other tree more challenging for the progress of FreeBSD and computer science, if yet stick to stability of -current. From: Nicole Harrington Subject: Re: SMP comparisons Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: nicole> = nicole> On 11-Jul-99 My Secret Spies Reported That Oliver Fromme wrote:= nicole> > Joe Greco wrote in list.freebsd-smp: nicole> > > > The main motivating factor for those who have strong feel= ing in the nicole> > matter nicole> > > > is fear. Either fear that -current will be destabilised (= Well DUH, nicole> > > > Helloooo, It's -current...) or fear that Matt will be a d= ivisive nicole> > > > influence. (go figure) = nicole> > > = nicole> > > "Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, a= nger leads to nicole> > > hate, hate leads to _suffering_!" nicole> > = nicole> >:-) nicole> > = nicole> > > [...] nicole> > > To core: FreeBSD has been a great OS for years. However, = in order to nicole> > > continue, there must be a constant emphasis on evolving the= technology and nicole> > > keeping it competitive. You've already lost the edge, at l= east in the nicole> > > SMP environment. Regaining the lead, or even a respectable= position in nicole> > > the race, is going to be hard as it is... and much harder i= f this sort of nicole> > > paranoia continues. nicole> > > = nicole> > > Please reconsider. nicole> > = nicole> > I second that. Please, pretty please. nicole> > = nicole> = nicole> = nicole> I third that! If everything was perfect the first time, there = would be no nicole> trying. This whole thing is starting to sound like a Dilbert car= toon! nicole> = nicole> "What do you mean the server crashed. I want a list of all futu= re unplanned nicole> outages!" nicole> = nicole> Current =3D Beta nicole> Stable =3D bleeding edge nicole> Release =3D safe nicole> = nicole> = nicole> Nicole nicole> = nicole> = nicole> = nicole> > Regards nicole> > Oliver nicole> > = nicole> > -- = nicole> > Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany nicole> > (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) nicole> > = nicole> > "In jedem St=FCck Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" nicole> > (Terry Pratchett) nicole> > = nicole> > = nicole> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org nicole> > with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message nicole> = nicole> = nicole> |\ __ /| (`\ = nicole> | o_o |__ ) ) = nicole> // \\ = nicole> nicole@nmhtech.com | http://www.nmhtech.com/ nicole> nicole@dangermouse.org | http://www.dangermouse.org/ nicole> --------------------(((---(((----------------------- nicole> - Powered by FreeBSD - nicole> - I'm not ADD - I'm just Multithreaded - nicole> = nicole> -- Systems Networking, Administration, Consulting -- nicole> nicole@nmhtech.com - www.nmhtech.com nicole> * Custom Solutions for an non-standard world * nicole> ------------------------------------------------------ nicole> = nicole> = nicole> = nicole> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org nicole> with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message nicole> = To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 12 7:34:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from cs.rpi.edu (mumble.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.8.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BC314D73 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:34:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crossd@cs.rpi.edu) Received: from cs.rpi.edu (monica.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.7.2]) by cs.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA82305 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199907121434.KAA82305@cs.rpi.edu> To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Where's the -core? Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:34:27 -0400 From: "David E. Cross" Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Before I cast my vote on this issue, I would really wish that the members of core who have strong opinions on this issue would come forward and talk about them in a public forum. The only thing I have seen from core (I am on -hackers, -current, and -smp) is second and third hand from other developers. I do not believe that core is unaware of this current conversation, and I would appreciate it if they came forward. As it stands now we certainly appear to have "the dark side of core" and all other problems notwithstanding this one must be addressed first. We need these lines of communication open. -- David Cross | email: crossd@cs.rpi.edu Systems Administrator/Research Programmer | Web: http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~crossd Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, | Ph: 518.276.2860 Department of Computer Science | Fax: 518.276.4033 I speak only for myself. | WinNT:Linux::Linux:FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 12 8:41:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3BF14BF8 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 08:41:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA19788; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:38:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: "David E. Cross" Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's the -core? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:34:27 EDT." <199907121434.KAA82305@cs.rpi.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:38:01 +0200 Message-ID: <19786.931793881@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, -smp is certainly not the place to discuss "it", nomatter what "it" is, unless SMP related. (I must admit that at this point I'm not even sure what we're discussing here.) As far as I know there is no "dark side of core" (fnord!), so if people would just concentrate on the task at hand: Making FreeBSD the best UNIX ever, then we would all be much happier. The way to gain influence in FreeBSD is to contribute good code, whining, and pointing out "secret international eric^H^H^H^Hcore conspirations" isn't doing anybody any good. Maybe we should have a freebsd-conspiracy maillist for those things. I'm increasingly getting the feeling that while Linux is the "Can Do" community, FreeBSD is the "Somebody Should Do" community, and quite frankly, being "somebody" is not a very interesting career. Poul-Henning Speaking neither as nor for the The FreeBSD Core team. In message <199907121434.KAA82305@cs.rpi.edu>, "David E. Cross" writes: >Before I cast my vote on this issue, I would really wish that the >members of core who have strong opinions on this issue would come >forward and talk about them in a public forum. The only thing I >have seen from core (I am on -hackers, -current, and -smp) is second >and third hand from other developers. I do not believe that core is >unaware of this current conversation, and I would appreciate it if they >came forward. As it stands now we certainly appear to have "the dark >side of core" and all other problems notwithstanding this one must be >addressed first. We need these lines of communication open. > >-- >David Cross | email: crossd@cs.rpi.edu >Systems Administrator/Research Programmer | Web: http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~crossd >Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, | Ph: 518.276.2860 >Department of Computer Science | Fax: 518.276.4033 >I speak only for myself. | WinNT:Linux::Linux:FreeBSD > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message > -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 12 8:48:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.netaccess.on.ca (alpha.netaccess.on.ca [199.243.225.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A51151F0 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 08:48:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rob@ControlQ.com) Received: from fatlady.controlq.com (dial165.nas.net [199.243.225.165]) by alpha.netaccess.on.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA12790; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:48:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert S. Sciuk" To: "David E. Cross" Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's the -core? In-Reply-To: <199907121434.KAA82305@cs.rpi.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, David E. Cross wrote: > Before I cast my vote on this issue, I would really wish that the > members of core who have strong opinions on this issue would come > forward and talk about them in a public forum. The only thing I This seems like a reasonable request. Outward communications can go a long way towards quelling FUD among the FreeBSD faithful. I do NOT believe, however, that democracy is a requirement for successful -core operation. Discussions regarding kernel scalability are probably a good thing. I would love to be able to say that my OS of preference is the leader of the pack in terms of SMP scalability, performance and stability, and moreover feel confident that we are on the road to attaining this. Personalities aside, FreeBSD is bigger than any one of us. Cheers, Rob. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Robert S. Sciuk 1032 Howard Rd. PO Box 6A Ph:905 632-2466 Control-Q Research Burlington, Ont. Canada Fx:905 632-7417 rob@ControlQ.com L7R 3X5 http://www.ControlQ.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 12 10:38:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from gatekeeper.imall.com (gatekeeper.imall.com [209.63.195.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0001415135 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:38:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rfleming@cc.weber.edu) Received: (from mail@localhost) by gatekeeper.imall.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA27905 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:38:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.imall.com(10.0.6.84) by gatekeeper.imall.com via smap (V2.1) id xma027824; Mon, 12 Jul 99 11:37:50 -0600 Received: from cc.weber.edu (spottedcow.imall.com.6.0.10.in-addr.arpa [10.0.6.139] (may be forged)) by mail.imall.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08851 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:37:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3789D805.6F7CFA06@cc.weber.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:56:55 +0000 From: rob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.2-STABLE up & running on Abit BP6 (dual Celeron socket370) References: <199907111216.OAA02314@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oliver: I was curious? What do you have in your kernel config file for this machine? I have seen some discussion about similar problems on other threads and have seen it wind up being a kernel issue in one or two cases where load was important. Rob Oliver Fromme wrote: > sthaug@nethelp.no wrote in list.freebsd-smp: > > Yup. Finished the buildworld now, clocked in at 56 minutes. This is > > with only one IBM 10 GB IDE disk. Will try some more as soon as I have > > moved a Cheetah over to the new machine. > > I'd be interested to hear how stable your system is running > under real load (i.e. load > 5 or even > 10, and with serious > hard disk and network activity). > > My dual Celeron-466 system freezes after some random time > (could be a few hours) under heavy load (no panic, keyboard is > dead, so I can't get into DDB). A simple "make world" is > usually not enough to reproduce the problem. The system runs > perfectly fine with a UP kernel (tried it with both CPUs). > > The problem seems to occur less frequently with 4.0-current > (a snapshot from June 22nd); it usually takes 2 or 3 days until > it freezes. But the problem is still there. > > (BTW, I'm running the system overclocked to 2 x 525 MHz, but > the problem is not related to that at all. It occurs at 466 > MHz just the same.) > > Regards > Oliver > > PS: This is an MSI 6120 mainboard with two MSI slot adapters > which have a jumper for dual Celeron support, two Celeron-466 > (PPGA) "in the box", 128 Mb of PC100 ECC memory. > The network interface is an MX (Macronix?) 100Mbps card, and > there's an old NCR810 Fast-SCSI adapter and an even older ISA > VGA card (text mode only, no XFree). Nothing else (well, > floppy drive and PS/2 keyboard). > > PPS: Is there a way I can provide any debug information if > the system just freezes? It looks like a deadlock somewhere > in the kernel. > > PPPS: "make buildworld" is 52 minutes here, with an old (slow) > IBM DCAS connected to the mentioned NCR810 adapter. > > -- > Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany > (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) > > "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" > (Terry Pratchett) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 12 10:42: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from par28.ma.ikos.com (par28.ma.ikos.com [137.103.105.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D117C151C3 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:41:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tich@par28.ma.ikos.com) Received: from [[UNIX: localhost]] ([[UNIX: localhost]]) by par28.ma.ikos.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA05079; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:40:47 -0400 From: Richard Cownie To: "Steven P. Donegan" , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Motherboard options Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:21:47 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.0] Content-Type: text/plain References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99071213404700.05073@par28.ma.ikos.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 09 Jul 1999, Steven P. Donegan wrote: > What options are there for quad processor motherboards that are known to > successfully run FreeBSD SMP? Thanks in advance for any pointers. > > Steven P. Donegan > Sr. Engineer > WANG Global The Intel SC450NX is a good and reasonably cheap 4-way Xeon system. I have FreeBSD (-current) running on two systems, the larger has 4 x Xeon-500MHz, 4GB DRAM, and 6 x 9GB disk - total cost ~ $20K (from www.sagelec.com). With only 1 disk and 256MB DRAM the price is $9800. Note that FreeBSD doesn't like the onboard SCSI chip, you need to use an Adaptec SCSI card. A 4-way system needs hefty power supplies and cooling, so as far as I know there aren't any simple "quad processor motherboards" (unless you go way back to the 200MHz PentiumPro and Socket8 - but this would be slower than 2 x PentiumIII-500MHz). Richard Cownie (tich@ma.ikos.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Jul 12 11:16: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06D815253 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:15:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00832 for freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:15:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:15:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <199907121815.UAA00832@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.2-STABLE up & running on Abit BP6 (dual Celeron socket370) Organization: Administration Heim 3 Reply-To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 RZTUC(3) PL2] Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org rob wrote in list.freebsd-smp: > Oliver: > > I was curious? What do you have in your kernel config file for this > machine? I have seen some discussion about similar problems on other > threads and have seen it wind up being a kernel issue in one or two cases > where load was important. OK, here it is. Regards Oliver # # GENERIC -- Generic machine with WD/AHx/NCR/BTx family disks # # $Id: GENERIC,v 1.143.2.12 1999/05/14 15:12:26 jkh Exp $ # # modified for dao-lin-hay.heim3.tu-clausthal.de # by Oliver Fromme # machine "i386" cpu "I686_CPU" ident DAOLINHAY maxusers 64 options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options MFS #Memory Filesystem options MFS_ROOT #MFS usable as root device, "MFS" req'ed options NFS #Network Filesystem options NFS_ROOT #NFS usable as root device, "NFS" req'ed options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 Filesystem options "CD9660_ROOT" #CD-ROM usable as root. "CD9660" req'ed options PROCFS #Process filesystem options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options SCSI_DELAY=5000 #Be pessimistic about Joe SCSI device options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor # To make an SMP kernel, the next two are needed options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O # Optionally these may need tweaked, (defaults shown): #options NCPU=2 # number of CPUs (def=2) #options NBUS=4 # number of busses (def=4) #options NAPIC=1 # number of IO APICs (def=1) #options NINTR=24 # number of INTs (def=24) options NCPU=2 # number of CPUs options NBUS=3 # number of busses options NAPIC=1 # number of IO APICs options NINTR=24 # number of INTs controller isa0 # controller pnp0 controller pci0 controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" irq 6 drq 2 disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 # disk fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 # options "CMD640" # work around CMD640 chip deficiency controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" irq 14 disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1 controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" irq 15 disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 # options ATAPI #Enable ATAPI support for IDE bus # options ATAPI_STATIC #Don't do it as an LKM # device acd0 #IDE CD-ROM # device wfd0 #IDE Floppy (e.g. LS-120) # A single entry for any of these controllers (ncr, ahb, ahc) is # sufficient for any number of installed devices. controller ncr0 controller scbus0 device da0 device sa0 device pass0 device cd0 #Only need one of these, the code dynamically grows # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse controller atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 device vga0 at isa? port ? conflicts # splash screen/screen saver # pseudo-device splash # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 # # Laptop support (see LINT for more options) # # device apm0 at isa? disable flags 0x31 # Advanced Power Management # device apm0 at isa? flags 0x31 # Advanced Power Management # device apm0 at nexus? disable flags 0x31 # Advanced Power Management # device apm0 at nexus? flags 0x31 # Advanced Power Management device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" flags 0x10 irq 4 device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" irq 3 device sio2 at isa? disable port "IO_COM3" irq 5 device sio3 at isa? disable port "IO_COM4" irq 9 # Parallel port device ppc0 at isa? port? flags 0x40 irq 7 controller ppbus0 device lpt0 at ppbus? # device plip0 at ppbus? # # The following Ethernet NICs are all PCI devices. # device de0 # DEC/Intel DC21x4x (``Tulip'') device fxp0 # Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558) device mx0 # Macronix 98713/98715/98725 (``PMAC'') pseudo-device loop pseudo-device ether pseudo-device pty 256 pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's # KTRACE enables the system-call tracing facility ktrace(2). # This adds 4 KB bloat to your kernel, and slightly increases # the costs of each syscall. options KTRACE #kernel tracing # This provides support for System V shared memory and message queues. # options SYSVSHM options SYSVMSG options SYSVSEM # The `bpfilter' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. Be # aware of the legal and administrative consequences of enabling this # option. The number of devices determines the maximum number of # simultaneous BPF clients programs runnable. pseudo-device bpfilter 4 #Berkeley packet filter options SOFTUPDATES options INCLUDE_CONFIG_FILE options "MD5" options DDB options DDB_UNATTENDED options ICMP_BANDLIM pseudo-device vn 4 pseudo-device snp 4 options MSGBUF_SIZE=40960 options "AUTO_EOI_1" options MAXCONS=8 options SC_HISTORY_SIZE=500 controller smbus0 device smb0 at smbus? controller intpm0 # options PQ_CELERONCACHE #-- -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Jul 13 18:30:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688F4150B8 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:30:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18209; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:42:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd018100; Tue Jul 13 18:42:10 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA22268; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:29:38 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199907140129.SAA22268@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: SMP comparisons To: dillon@apollo.backplane.com (Matthew Dillon) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 01:29:38 +0000 (GMT) Cc: the_hermit665@hotmail.com, freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199907081641.JAA40947@apollo.backplane.com> from "Matthew Dillon" at Jul 8, 99 09:41:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > :NO!!!!! FreeBSD is ahead... maybe behind a little... either way, we kick > :linux's A$$ > : > :p.s. I gave a copy of 3.0 to a friend of mine to compare between linux & > :FreeBSD on SMP and maybe even NT. I'll be hearing back from him on thouse > :results. The question was "other free or commercial OS's". INRE to commercial OS's, SVR4.0.2 ES/MP from ~1993 still beats FreeBSD, hands down. > Linux beats our arses on SMP performance, I'm afraid. They've been > able to move the tcp stack outside of the big giant lock and have also > moved a significant portion of the data copying stuff outside of the > big giant lock. It's been a while since I've sat down and had a hard look at Linux internals, but the last time I looked, Linux prevalidated address ranges for data transfer via their copyin/copyout equivalents. This has a significant downside in an SMP environment (the only way I could see to fix this would be to rip it out), and can even be a problem in a kernel threaded environment, where another thread or processor could modify the address space contents during a slept call. Technically, you won't run into trouble until someone attempts to exploit the hole, but when that happens, you will be well and truly screwed. I need to take a look at what they did with the TCP stack, but it seems to me that it's possible to deal with the stack issues in FreeBSD rather trivially. From the descriptions of their new architecture I've read, the big win was one of concurrency -- even in a UP kernel, they were unable to have multiple simultaneous requests outstanding. This leads to obvious latency issues that arise from an increased pool retention time (e.g. a fundamental ignorance of queueing theory in the initial design). This will help them on the ZD Labs and other NT vs. Linux benchmarks, but will do little for overall load bearing characteristics. > And, on top of that, we need to make significant > changes to the way our buffer cache works to even approach linux's > I/O performance under SMP. I agree with this, but not for the reasons you state below. I agree because of the cache inaccessiblity for update leading to stalling. The stuff Kirk was reported to be doing will help this somewhat, and intention mode locking with handoff for non-reschedulable buffers (e.g. those containing a soft updates transaction backout) would help this significantly. > I want to move us more towards a UVM model for I/O - i.e. going > through the VM subsystem to read and write data rather then VFS > subsystem and the notifying the VFS system after the fact for writes. I don't think that's really necessary. Most of the code for the VOP_GETPAGES and VOP_PUTPAGES already addresses this I/O path. The main issue that has to be addressed in this regard has got to be non-page aligned copy overhead, which necessitates a copy instead of a handoff (at the expense of reinstancing the data and/or using memory protection for copy-on-write semantics for what is nominally the processes data address space). This is going to be a problem so long as there are buffers in user programs. > Unfortunately, I doubt that much progress will be made in the current > environment. ??? > FreeBSD still kicks ass in the reliability department, despite the > recent problems with INN and mmap(), and FreeBSD still kicks ass if > a system ever has to start paging. Paging performance is a fallout of a unified VM and buffer cache. The mmap() issue still has me concerned. I am still of the opinion that, given an OS with a truly unified VM and buffer cache, it should not be necessary for the INN code to call msync(), which is used to implement a user-level cache coherency protocol, and is (supposedly) irrelevent in a unified environment. I think another issue in this regard is the (IMO) ill-considered attempt to make vnodes and VM objects semi-synonymous; the real issue that needs to be dealt with is slow (file) vs. medium (swap) vs. fast (RAM) backing store. The idea, which you expressed earlier, that coherency notification needs to be explicitly called out, is counter-intuitive to me. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Thu Jul 15 1: 8:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mel.alcatel.fr (mel.alcatel.fr [212.208.74.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912151550D for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 01:08:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thierry.herbelot@alcatel.fr) Received: from aifhs2.alcatel.fr (mailhub.alcatel.fr [155.132.180.80]) by mel.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/SMTP) with ESMTP id JAA01989 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:04:25 +0200 Received: from lune.telspace.alcatel.fr (lune.telspace.alcatel.fr [155.132.144.65]) by aifhs2.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/SMTP2) with ESMTP id KAA10665 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:02:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from telss1 (telss1.telspace.alcatel.fr [155.132.51.4]) by lune.telspace.alcatel.fr (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA20514 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:49:14 +0200 (MEST) Received: from alcatel.fr by telss1 (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id JAA08539; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:56:41 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <378D9521.B441091E@alcatel.fr> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:00:33 +0200 From: Thierry Herbelot Reply-To: thierry.herbelot@alcatel.fr Organization: ALCATEL CIT Nanterre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: smp Subject: Clock Speed missing ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I was used to seeing the clock speed of the processor in UP config, but I miss it on my new Abit BP6 when used in SMP. Looking at older messages, it seems this is a "feature" of running SMP (dmesg doesn't print the processor speed). Is there a way to get it anyway ? TfH To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message