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Holtor wrote:
> 
> What was the exact line you added to your kernel?
> 
> Is it this:
> 
> device          apm0    at isa? flags 0x20
> 

Exactly! And this is the result ...:

<snip>
  PID USERNAME PRI NICE  SIZE    RES STATE  C   TIME   WCPU    CPU
COMMAND
88548 chris    105  19 14788K 14532K RUN    0   3:39 97.41% 97.41%
setiathome
88553 chris    105  19 14788K 14532K CPU1   1   3:12 97.37% 97.36%
setiathome
83516 chris      2   0 24404K 22104K select 1   1:38  0.78%  0.78%
netscape
83482 chris      2   0 44160K 43540K select 1   1:22  0.78%  0.78%
Xaccel
  186 root       2   0   788K   412K select 0   0:30  0.15%  0.15%
moused
<snip>


Another thing comes to my mind: The system reports a loadavg of about
2.00,
shouldn't it be around 1.00 with two jobs running on two CPUs ?

Christoph

PS: Thanks again for the hint!


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Christoph Splittgerber <cs@sdata.de> writes:

> Another thing comes to my mind: The system reports a loadavg of
> about 2.00, shouldn't it be around 1.00 with two jobs running on two
> CPUs ?

That depends on your version of top.  In Solaris and FreeBSD this
behavior is correct.  In Linux and it's mangled version of top the
load would be 1 (at least I think).

I like this way of doing it.

-- 
Shaun Rowland   rowland@cis.ohio-state.edu
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Shaun Rowland wrote:

> > Another thing comes to my mind: The system reports a loadavg of
> > about 2.00, shouldn't it be around 1.00 with two jobs running on two
> > CPUs ?
> 
> That depends on your version of top.  In Solaris and FreeBSD this
> behavior is correct.

.. and that's the way loadavg is defined as I just found out in "The
Design and Implementation of the 4.[34] BSD Operating System". However,
I don't like it too much. I mean my point is: When I call getloadavg(3),
most of the time I am interested in my "systems load" and less in my
"systems run queue length". E.g. how to find out if it is worth spawning
another process/thread.

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Pardon my for my ignorance, but is your spamsite database available to those of
us who run our own mailservers?

or is there a place that has a spamsite database that is updated regularly?



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> Pardon my for my ignorance, but is your spamsite database available
> to those of us who run our own mailservers?

It's nothing we provide on an official basis, especially since those
folks who do so (like Paul Vixie) tend to get sued with uncomfortable
regularity, but anyone who wants it is free to send me email and request
it.  The only "regularly updated" spam database I know of is the RBL,
and that's already got hooks for it in sendmail.

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Thanks much for the additional info..

On 06-Jun-99 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
>> Pardon my for my ignorance, but is your spamsite database available
>> to those of us who run our own mailservers?
> 
> It's nothing we provide on an official basis, especially since those
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> 
> - Jordan
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We have a system setup the following way. 
2 450Mhz pentiumII 
512M ram
DPT raid controler
RAID-5 Array
Running 3.1 -STABLE.
The other night we had an auto reboot but the system did not come up all
the way, prompting a drive down to the place we colocate. Here is the txt
that was on the screen when we got a monitor hooked up to the machine.
BTW. There was nothing in any logs. Just what was on the screen.


Kernel tral 12 with interrupts disabled

Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
mp_lock = 00000003; cpuid = 0; lapic.id = 00000000

fault virtual address		= 0xefff7118
fault code			= supervidor read, page not present
instruction pointer 		= 0x8:0xf0202d33
stack pointer			= 0x10:0xfc106dd0
frame pointer			= 0x10:0xfc106de8
code segment			= base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b
				= DPL 0, pres 1, def 32 1, gran 1
processor eflags 		= interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL=0
current process			= Idle
interrupt mask			= net tty bio cam <- SMP:XXX

Kernel: type 12 trap, code=0
stopped at	pmap_enter+0xa7:	moul 0(%ecx),%esi

db>

 
And what the heck is this     db>   thing ????  If anyone has any idea
what all this means. I'd realy appreciate any advise. 
Thank you. 
keith



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Alfred Perlstein wrote:

[large snip]

> > Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11
> > *** Error code 1
> >
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > ----------------
> >
> >       I realize that this is not enough information to track down a problem that
> > is most likely just hardware. But I'm posting this in case it means anything
> > to anyone. If it repeats itself, I'll try to get some debug info.
> 
> 99.999999% sure you have a heating problem.  heating problems can
> spontaniously develop, *pointing at p120 who's fan failed one day*

I don't know...  My CPU fan is working.

My latest attempt at 'make buildworld' failed with a SIGNAL 10 (which I
haven't been able to identify) -- and otherwise the internal compiler
error shown above.  The procedure seems to fail at a different place
every time.  (It's running now -- and has been for at least an hour.)
The previous attempt failed after about 15 minutes.  Last week it
churned for about 5 hours before falling down. (It's a P5 120 w/128MB of
RAM and UW-SCSI).

I even tried 'make cleandir' which was suggested in someone elses post. 
That worked (suppose), but buildworld didn't. FWIW, I've cvsup'd src=all
before each attempt.

Additional suggestions would be welcome. If this attempt succeeds I
won't know why.

Craig


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On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, Craig Burgess wrote:

: My latest attempt at 'make buildworld' failed with a SIGNAL 10 (which I
: haven't been able to identify) -- and otherwise the internal compiler
: error shown above.  The procedure seems to fail at a different place
: every time.  (It's running now -- and has been for at least an hour.)
: The previous attempt failed after about 15 minutes.  Last week it
: churned for about 5 hours before falling down. (It's a P5 120 w/128MB of
: RAM and UW-SCSI).

FWIW, I have had similar problems with an A/Open motherboard --
random sig11s, sig10s, internal compiler errors, you name it.  They
were all solved by taking the exact same chip, boards, hard drive,
and everything else and putting them on an ASUS P/I-P55T2P4.  That
A/Open board was on its last legs, I found out shortly thereafter.

Matt Behrens <matt@zigg.com>
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>We have a system setup the following way. 
>2 450Mhz pentiumII 
>512M ram
>DPT raid controler
>RAID-5 Array
>Running 3.1 -STABLE.
>The other night we had an auto reboot but the system did not come up all
>the way, prompting a drive down to the place we colocate. Here is the txt
>that was on the screen when we got a monitor hooked up to the machine.
>BTW. There was nothing in any logs. Just what was on the screen.
>
>
>Kernel tral 12 with interrupts disabled
>
>Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
>mp_lock = 00000003; cpuid = 0; lapic.id = 00000000
>
>fault virtual address		= 0xefff7118
>fault code			= supervidor read, page not present
>instruction pointer 		= 0x8:0xf0202d33
>stack pointer			= 0x10:0xfc106dd0
>frame pointer			= 0x10:0xfc106de8
>code segment			= base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b
>				= DPL 0, pres 1, def 32 1, gran 1
>processor eflags 		= interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL=0
>current process			= Idle
>interrupt mask			= net tty bio cam <- SMP:XXX
>
>Kernel: type 12 trap, code=0
>stopped at	pmap_enter+0xa7:	moul 0(%ecx),%esi
>
>db>

   Not enough info in the above to diagnose the problem, but it might be
related to SMP bugs. If this happens again you might consider running with
a non-SMP kernel for awhile to see if it goes away.

>And what the heck is this     db>   thing ????  If anyone has any idea
>what all this means. I'd realy appreciate any advise. 

   It means that someone configured the kernel with debugger support (not a
wise thing on a colo machine unless you have a serial console).

-DG

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These types of things can really be indicative of other hardware problems as
well.  For example, this happened to one of my systems, and then about a
week later, the BIOS reported a memory problem.  I replaced the RAM and it
was fine.

Another one of my machines has done this.  The last time I tried to make
world, it rebooted and came back up (luckily)... I haven't been able to get
to where it is located since then, so I don't know what the problem is.
(The system runs fine otherwise - before that it had an 85 day uptime).

Check all your hardware, and make sure it is good.  Try booting the system
with minimal hardware.  Try replacing the RAM (even if temporarily).  Try
swapping out other components, including the motherboard and CPU (only if
you know what you're doing though!) Make sure your system is being kept
cool.

Dave

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Matt Behrens
> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 1999 8:47 PM
> To: Craig Burgess
> Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: Reboot during make world
>
>
> On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, Craig Burgess wrote:
>
> : My latest attempt at 'make buildworld' failed with a SIGNAL 10 (which I
> : haven't been able to identify) -- and otherwise the internal compiler
> : error shown above.  The procedure seems to fail at a different place
> : every time.  (It's running now -- and has been for at least an hour.)
> : The previous attempt failed after about 15 minutes.  Last week it
> : churned for about 5 hours before falling down. (It's a P5 120 w/128MB of
> : RAM and UW-SCSI).
>
> FWIW, I have had similar problems with an A/Open motherboard --
> random sig11s, sig10s, internal compiler errors, you name it.  They
> were all solved by taking the exact same chip, boards, hard drive,
> and everything else and putting them on an ASUS P/I-P55T2P4.  That
> A/Open board was on its last legs, I found out shortly thereafter.
>
> Matt Behrens <matt@zigg.com>
> Owner/Administrator, zigg.com
> Chief Engineer, Nameless IRC Network
>
>
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> My latest attempt at 'make buildworld' failed with a SIGNAL 10 (which I
> haven't been able to identify) -- and otherwise the internal compiler
> error shown above.  The procedure seems to fail at a different place

I'd now bet $20 on this hardware being hosed.  All the symptoms are there.

- Jordan


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Well, it's an "older" Intel (P-54?) motherboard, but in between
buildworld failures I successfully built/installed the new version of
Apache+PHP and MySQL and it's all working fine... The machine stays on
all the time, so it should be a more-or-less constant environment (and
we haven't been unusual weather).

The current attempt has been running for about 4 hours so maybe it'll
complete.  I can't predict at this point.



"Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote:
> 
> > My latest attempt at 'make buildworld' failed with a SIGNAL 10 (which I
> > haven't been able to identify) -- and otherwise the internal compiler
> > error shown above.  The procedure seems to fail at a different place
> 
> I'd now bet $20 on this hardware being hosed.  All the symptoms are there.
> 
> - Jordan


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Right.  Like I said - some hardware problems only manifest themselves under
really heavy load, like building world.  Compiling apache versus compiling
freebsd is like stepping on an ant versus spearing a whale. (Sorry, I
couldn't think of a better analogy.  Really.)

But you get the idea.  Again, my machine that has had 85+ day uptimes can
compile small things like bind and apache just fine, and I can even build a
kernel.  But when it comes to making world, it just dies.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Craig Burgess
> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 1999 10:50 PM
> To: Jordan K. Hubbard
> Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: Reboot during make world
> 
> 
> Well, it's an "older" Intel (P-54?) motherboard, but in between
> buildworld failures I successfully built/installed the new version of
> Apache+PHP and MySQL and it's all working fine... The machine stays on
> all the time, so it should be a more-or-less constant environment (and
> we haven't been unusual weather).
> 
> The current attempt has been running for about 4 hours so maybe it'll
> complete.  I can't predict at this point.
> 
> 
> 
> "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote:
> > 
> > > My latest attempt at 'make buildworld' failed with a SIGNAL 
> 10 (which I
> > > haven't been able to identify) -- and otherwise the internal compiler
> > > error shown above.  The procedure seems to fail at a different place
> > 
> > I'd now bet $20 on this hardware being hosed.  All the symptoms 
> are there.
> > 
> > - Jordan
> 
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> 
> Right.  Like I said - some hardware problems only manifest themselves under
> really heavy load, like building world.  Compiling apache versus compiling
> freebsd is like stepping on an ant versus spearing a whale. (Sorry, I
> couldn't think of a better analogy.  Really.)
> 
> But you get the idea.  Again, my machine that has had 85+ day uptimes can
> compile small things like bind and apache just fine, and I can even build a
> kernel.  But when it comes to making world, it just dies.

I had a machine that exactly the same way. it could compile small things,
and even a kernel. But it died on a world. It had other symptoms, like the
email server would die every so often. After replacing the RAM, this same
server has been rock solid ever since. 


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now trying 'make installworld'

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Starting earlier this week, my server has been hanging, except that I'm
able to ping it still.  The only way out is to cold-boot...

Now, the only thing that has changed prior to it being "un-stable" is I've
upgraded my INN to a more -current version, from the ISC cvs repository,
so the only thing I can immediately think of is that *it* has changed in
such a way that its triggering a bug in the kernel...

I'm updating my -STABLE code right now, and upgrading my kernel...this
might be a known problem, but have checked through my list folder and
nothing appears to be in there...

Not sure how to test this, but it was stable up until I upgraded INN :(

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> Well, it's an "older" Intel (P-54?) motherboard, but in between
> buildworld failures I successfully built/installed the new version of
> Apache+PHP and MySQL and it's all working fine... The machine stays on

That much is working fine, you mean.  Trust me, this hardware is not
to be trusted, even if it does the next 3 build-worlds without error.
I'd replace it simply on suspicion at this point.

"Life is too short to waste on bad PC hardware."

- Jordan


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make buildworld finished successfully (finally!)
make installworld finished successfully
kernel rebuild went flawlessly

the machine is sentient -- and just waited until i asked for help so
that i'd look silly?

(...about that $20...)

craig


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> make buildworld finished successfully (finally!)
> make installworld finished successfully
> kernel rebuild went flawlessly

Almost meaningless in this context.

> (...about that $20...)

Hold your horses, cowboy.  You're nowhere close to winning that bet yet. :)

- Jordan


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	As everyone, including me, suspected mine was a hardware problem. Although
I had checked it previously, I didn't check closely enough. The CPU fan was
still spinning, but the plastic tab on the CPU socket that it engaged had
cracked off, allowing a angular gap to form between the CPU and the heat
sink.

	After I fixed that, the machine went back to being as reliable as usual.

	95% chance it's a heat or memory problem. Triple check everything heat
related. Go through the BIOS and put everything to safe settings. Maybe even
swap out the memory or remove half of it, test, then swap halves.

	DS

> Alfred Perlstein wrote:
>
> [large snip]
>
> > > Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11
> > > *** Error code 1
> > >
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > ----------------
> > >
> > >       I realize that this is not enough information to track
> down a problem that
> > > is most likely just hardware. But I'm posting this in case it
> means anything
> > > to anyone. If it repeats itself, I'll try to get some debug info.
> >
> > 99.999999% sure you have a heating problem.  heating problems can
> > spontaniously develop, *pointing at p120 who's fan failed one day*
>
> I don't know...  My CPU fan is working.
>
> My latest attempt at 'make buildworld' failed with a SIGNAL 10 (which I
> haven't been able to identify) -- and otherwise the internal compiler
> error shown above.  The procedure seems to fail at a different place
> every time.  (It's running now -- and has been for at least an hour.)
> The previous attempt failed after about 15 minutes.  Last week it
> churned for about 5 hours before falling down. (It's a P5 120 w/128MB of
> RAM and UW-SCSI).
>
> I even tried 'make cleandir' which was suggested in someone elses post.
> That worked (suppose), but buildworld didn't. FWIW, I've cvsup'd src=all
> before each attempt.
>
> Additional suggestions would be welcome. If this attempt succeeds I
> won't know why.
>
> Craig



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On  6 Jun, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> 
>> (...about that $20...)
> 
> Hold your horses, cowboy.  You're nowhere close to winning that bet yet. :)

How bout one of us sends it, as long as he agrees to spend it on good
hardware? :)

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3.2-STABLE 

System: Dual P3/500 with 512MB RAM with Adapatec 2049U2W controller
connected to two disks (9GB and 18GB). 18GB is a Seagate ST 318275LW
camcontrol shows that this is capable of 80 MB/s with Tagged Queuing
Enabled

I have a tar file of around 1.6 GB. The directory tree is not very
deep

These are the times I am getting for untar the tar file on the 18GB
disk. Also, times for rm -rf of the directory created

Softupdates enabled 
                Real          User            Sys 
untar:       13043.72        14.19           434.53
rm -rf         7036.8          8.05          172.84 

I looked at the results from iostat in another virtual console and I
was getting around 0.8 MB/s. Top was showing the machine mostly idle
in CPU usage

Mounting with async mode (single user mode)

untar:      10799           13.17          462.69
rm -rf:     6537             7.82          259.64


The normal sync mode took quite a while also. I seem to have misplaced 
the numbers

As a totally unscientific comparision. These are the untar times of
glibc-2.1.1 on a softupate system

glibc untar:      49             1            3.66
glibc rm -rf      2.06          0.05          0.88


Are these times appropiate ? Is there any way to make the untar go
faster. What does 80 MB/s really mean in real-life ?

Cheers, Yusuf
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> > make buildworld finished successfully (finally!)
> > make installworld finished successfully
> > kernel rebuild went flawlessly
> 
> Almost meaningless in this context.
> 
> > (...about that $20...)
> 
> Hold your horses, cowboy.  You're nowhere close to winning that bet yet. :)

I'll declare him a winner if he can run this script without any failure:

#!/bin/sh
cd /usr/src
make world >make.out.1 2>&1
make world >make.out.2 2>&1
make world >make.out.3 2>&1
make world >make.out.4 2>&1
make world >make.out.5 2>&1

I've had to deal with debugging flaky hardware that hits in
make.out.3 or make.out.4 (Joe Greco had an ASUS PCI/I-486SP3
that took me over a week to find the bad cache chip and replace
it), but I've never seen a box get past 5 make worlds and still
have a hardware problem.

Order of replacing components on a Sig10/11 error is 1) memory,
2) Cache if possible, 3) Motherboard, 4) CPU.

Ohhh.. and my test room is usually kept at a nice warm 90 degrees
or so.  No cheating by keeping the box cool :-)


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From owner-freebsd-stable  Mon Jun  7  1:41:16 1999
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Hi all,

I have been busy fixing my panic problem.

Looking good!!!!

# uname -a; uptime
FreeBSD amanda.qmpgmc.ac.uk 3.2-STABLE FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE #0: Wed May 26
08:43:3
4 BST 1999     greg@amanda.qmpgmc.ac.uk:/usr/src/sys/compile/dns1  i386
 9:19AM  up 11 days, 13:27, 3 users, load averages: 0.01, 0.03, 0.00

I finally had a way of making the server crash every time.

do a "make world" om 3.2-R.....

A so goes the story of grandfathers axe:
("Grandfather axe.... replaced the handle a few times, then the head, but it
was still grandfathers axe")

Good old fashioned repairs....

0. I updated to 3.2-S ... 26 May 1999
1. I replaced the RAM.
2. I replaced the Motherboard.
3. I replaced the SCSI-UW controller.

4. I replaced the Video Card.
5. I replaced the all the Hard Disks.
6. I replaced the Network cards.

What's left?.... ahhhhh ... replaced the Floppy...  then the
CD-ROM....unplugged the
tape... replaced.... all the cables... finally the power supply!

Each time I ran "make world", I could still crash it!

What next.....the case?

NOPE!......

7. I replaced the both CPU's.......... WTF#!

NO CRASH!

Well that must be it then... FreeBSD has blown the guts out of my INTEL PII
333
Processor....Too quick for it. {:-)
....... and before anybody says, "The processor must be getting too hot?" It
was not getting too hot!

Maybe Intel should use FreeBSD to test/rate CPU's?
(Isn't it a rumour that Intel only make one PII CPU and just rate them!)

I'M HAPPY NOW!!

Oh yes ....
[Q] How stable is FreeBSD?
[A] Very Stable!

And a special thanks to
Mark Blackman <tmb@rcru.rl.ac.uk>
for his idea of old fashioned hardware diagnosis.

One last thing; To those users that may be having problems with their FBSD
installs on a more current version

Greg






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On Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 09:40:58AM +0100, Greg Quinlan wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
[...]
> Good old fashioned repairs....
> 
> 0. I updated to 3.2-S ... 26 May 1999
> 1. I replaced the RAM.
> 2. I replaced the Motherboard.
> 3. I replaced the SCSI-UW controller.
> 4. I replaced the Video Card.
> 5. I replaced the all the Hard Disks.
> 6. I replaced the Network cards.
> 7. I replaced the both CPU's.......... WTF#!
> 
> NO CRASH!
> 
> I'M HAPPY NOW!!
> 
> Oh yes ....
> [Q] How stable is FreeBSD?
> [A] Very Stable!
> 
Yet another satisfied FreeBSD customer :-)

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Thanks all of you guys who responded to my query.
I heeded to all and here is what I got stuck with once again:

To recap:
	(All this is about STABLE only)
	I had 2.2.7 (installed from CD) on a Pentium II 200 MHz.
	I upgraded it to 2.2.8 with no problems.
	I CVSuped 3.2 source.
	I did a make world and it failed (for aout -> elf problem)
	I did a make aout-to-elf-build. OKAY.
	I did a make aout-to-elf-install. OKAY.
	I rebooted. It won't accept any passwd at login: prompt. No errors,
		just an icy silence. Every login failed. I figured I had
		/bin/tcsh as the default shell for root.
	I tried to do -s in boot (single user mode) but the 3.2 kernle goes
		into "Press RETURN to boot now  or any key to ...."
		"Booting in 9 secs" (The counter goes down)
	Everytime I get into the basic (non single user mode) kernel mde
		where you can only do ls, more, reboot, load etc. It won't 
		go in single user mode.
	Upon advice, I installed binaries from 2.2.7 CD (The user
		distribution mode)
	I could log in.
	I made /bin/sh the default shell for root.

NOW:
	I recompiled 3.2. OKAY.
	Reboot.
	It says ld.so failed: bad magic number in /usr/lib/libc.so.3
	I reinstalled 2.2.7
	REBUILT the whole world under 2.2.8
	Upgraded the kernel to 2.2.8 ( as before)
	Reboot.
	make aout-to-elf-build again.
	I have a 1GB /usr partiotin, but it ran over with expanded /usr/obj
		(over 450MB and going) So, I have moved /usr/X11, /usr/sup,
		/usr/src and /usr/obj to other partition (2GB).
	I am now going to REBUILD WORLD under 2.2.8. Reboot and again
		rebuild 3.2
	QUESTION: Will it effect the install if /usr/src and /usr/obj are
		just links to say /var/USR/src and /var/USR/obj 
		respectively. I mean will it effect if the actual path 
		is /var/USR/obj instead of /usr/obj ?

	Does anyone have any words of caution or advice for me?
		Yes, I can go get 3.2 CD and get over with it, but I WANT 
		to be able to upgrade a live system rather than install 
		it always, since this will be a remote system. Also I have
		data in some other partitins that I don't want to lose.

Thank you all for your patience and help!!!

Earnestly,
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egcs does not like dev/ppbus/vpoio.c:


../../dev/ppbus/vpoio.c: In function `vpoio_instr':
../../dev/ppbus/vpoio.c:461: incompatible type for argument 3 of
`ppb_MS_exec'
../../dev/ppbus/vpoio.c:461: incompatible type for argument 4 of
`ppb_MS_exec'
../../dev/ppbus/vpoio.c:461: incompatible type for argument 5 of
`ppb_MS_exec

one has to explicit cast from the (char *) to the union ppp_insarg.
I did cure it at home.  Maybe tomorrow i can bring a diff ...



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>>>>> "Shashi" == Shashi Joshi <shashi@websi.com> writes:

What may have got you stuck with password problems was that the
aout-->elf transition seemed to change libcrypt --- or at least change 
what the older aout libcrypt could do.  When I installed 3.0 on my
machine, I found that aout ssh, apache, and sudo couldn't read the DES 
passwords but they could read MD5 passwords.  If I recompiled, and elf 
binary had no problem.

Dave.

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Shashi Joshi wrote:
> 
> Thanks all of you guys who responded to my query.
> I heeded to all and here is what I got stuck with once again:
> 
> To recap:
>         (All this is about STABLE only)
>         I had 2.2.7 (installed from CD) on a Pentium II 200 MHz.
>         I upgraded it to 2.2.8 with no problems.
>         I CVSuped 3.2 source.
>         I did a make world and it failed (for aout -> elf problem)
>         I did a make aout-to-elf-build. OKAY.
>         I did a make aout-to-elf-install. OKAY.
>         I rebooted. It won't accept any passwd at login: prompt. No errors,
>                 just an icy silence. Every login failed. I figured I had
>                 /bin/tcsh as the default shell for root.
>         I tried to do -s in boot (single user mode) but the 3.2 kernle goes
>                 into "Press RETURN to boot now  or any key to ...."
>                 "Booting in 9 secs" (The counter goes down)
>         Everytime I get into the basic (non single user mode) kernel mde
>                 where you can only do ls, more, reboot, load etc. It won't
>                 go in single user mode.
>         Upon advice, I installed binaries from 2.2.7 CD (The user
>                 distribution mode)
>         I could log in.
>         I made /bin/sh the default shell for root.
> 
> NOW:
>         I recompiled 3.2. OKAY.
>         Reboot.
>         It says ld.so failed: bad magic number in /usr/lib/libc.so.3
>         I reinstalled 2.2.7
>         REBUILT the whole world under 2.2.8
>         Upgraded the kernel to 2.2.8 ( as before)
>         Reboot.
>         make aout-to-elf-build again.
>         I have a 1GB /usr partiotin, but it ran over with expanded /usr/obj
>                 (over 450MB and going) So, I have moved /usr/X11, /usr/sup,
>                 /usr/src and /usr/obj to other partition (2GB).
>         I am now going to REBUILD WORLD under 2.2.8. Reboot and again
>                 rebuild 3.2
>         QUESTION: Will it effect the install if /usr/src and /usr/obj are
>                 just links to say /var/USR/src and /var/USR/obj
>                 respectively. I mean will it effect if the actual path
>                 is /var/USR/obj instead of /usr/obj ?
> 
>         Does anyone have any words of caution or advice for me?
>                 Yes, I can go get 3.2 CD and get over with it, but I WANT
>                 to be able to upgrade a live system rather than install
>                 it always, since this will be a remote system. Also I have
>                 data in some other partitins that I don't want to lose.

Hi Shashi,

Have you read Nik's manual on "Making the World" your own at
http://www.nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk/FreeBSD/make-world/make-world.html

I went through the transition from 3.1-release to 3.1-stable, which
eventually became 3.2-beta, 3.2-release and then 3.2-stable. I sometimes
have trouble reading e-mail by glossing over things but from where I sit
you aren't finishing the job before you reboot.

The sequence to build a new world as I see it is as follows:
1-  Cvsup the current 3.2-stable. 
2-  Read about "-DWANT_AOUT" because the aout files are no longer
created by default. If you have a.out programs, you will probably have
to create the aout files. Then, you can make the world. I prefer a
buildworld followed by an installworld. I time the buildworld. 
3-  You have to update /etc, /dev, ... There are massive changes here
from 2.2.8 > 3.2 that have to be addressed. The manual process in Nik's
manual can be replaced by using "mergemaster".
4-  You have to check GENERIC and LINT because these files will be
changed and you will have to redo your specific changes. Then, you
configure, build, and install your kernel. You may have to add
"compat22" and I have seen this being discussed but I don't remember
where. I don't have it in my kernel.
5-  Somewhere in here you need to install new bootblocks. They changed
after 2.2.8 and you have to update them. The floppy upgrade does this
for you. 
6-  Now I think you can reboot.

I did a floppy boot and used it to upgrade to 3.1. The aout_to_elf thing
was done for me. I made a massive mistake at this point and cvsup'ed to
current and 4.0-current had problems on my system. I probably should
rephrase that and say I had problems with 4.0-current on my system.
Mergemaster would have probably worked me through this block but I
didn't know about it at the time. I ended up reinstalling 3.1-release
from the CDROM. I basically do my 6 steps everytime I cvsup and build a
new 3.x-stable. There are somethings such as step 5 that you can leave
out but that depends on what you see get changed in the cvsup. 

It was taking 3+ hours to do the make world and 4 to 5 hours or more to
make the other changes in Nik's manual. Mergemaster does a side-by-side
and you choose what you want to merge. It tries to change all of the
text files in /etc. That includes the host and passwd files. My system
wasn't fully functional by the time I got to 3.2-beta and they had built
3.2-release before I really figured out what was going on. I didn't know
what was broken. Just that it was broken. It was around a week after
3.2-release was made that 3.2-stable was upgraded and I had a fully
functional system on my computer. Making the changes manually is just
too slow and mergemaster is a wonderful tool. I eventually decided that
the problems I was having were hardware. I have upgraded the system from
a P166 Pentium to a Slot 1 motherboard. I currently have a Celeron 433
in it and a buildworld currently takes 40 minutes and the total job
seems like 1.5 hours from start to finish. When I add creating the aout
files, that will probably increase to around 2 wallclock hours.

The new system provides me with more available time and I can get into
trouble doing other things. The problem is remembering what you did
wrong when you do your next build. I do keep some notes. I have an
active link to Dan's diary in NZ land. I think everyone goes through the
same painfull steps. It is nice to read these stories because you know
you aren't the only one having fun <grin>.

Have a good day,

Kent
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Kent Stewart <kstewart@3-cities.com> writes:
> 5-  Somewhere in here you need to install new bootblocks. They changed
> after 2.2.8 and you have to update them. The floppy upgrade does this
> for you.

After the build, type (as root) 'disklabel -B foo' where foo is the
name of the disk from which you boot, e.g. wd0s1.

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Hello,

I just picked up a new Xircom CreditCard, to replace my broken
EtherLink III.

The laptop is a Toshiba 4015 CDS, running 3.2-BETA.

I downloaded the xe0 driver, installed it manually, copied in the kernel
config lines, built new kernel, configured pccardd, and brought it up.  It
recognizes the card, brings it up, everything I could ask for.

Any time I send traffic, however, I receive nothing.  The traffic light
blinks three or four times, then stops.  The "watchdog" error in
the subject appears.

The card is transmitting to the local ethernet; when I (accidentally)
configure the Xircom with an IP address used on my desktop box, the
desktop box gripes that someone is using its IP.

Any thoughts on what to check next?  Where do I go from here?  My dmesg,
pccardc dumpcis, and pccard.conf follow.  (I know the pccard.conf entry
for the modem is wrong;  I've never actually had need for the modem, and
therefore haven't taken time to figure it out.  ;) 

Thanks,
==ml

--

io	0x240-0x360

irq	8 9 10 11 13

memory	0xd4000 96k

card "Xircom" "CreditCard 10/100"
	config 0x1 "xe0" 9
	insert	ifconfig xe0 up
	remove	ifconfig xe0 down

card "Toshiba America" "3CXM056-BNW"
	config 0x1 "sio2" 10


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FreeBSD 3.2-BETA #3: Mon Jun  7 07:13:09 GMT 1999
    mwlucas@moneysink.exceptionet.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GEBURAH
Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
CPU: Pentium II/Xeon/Celeron (266.62-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x652  Stepping=2
  Features=0x183f9ff<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,<b24>>
real memory  = 33554432 (32768K bytes)
avail memory = 30425088 (29712K bytes)
Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc024f000.
Probing for devices on PCI bus 0:
chip0: <Intel 82443BX host to PCI bridge (AGP disabled)> rev 0x02 on pci0.0.0
chip1: <PCI to CardBus bridge (vendor=1179 device=060f)> rev 0x05 int a irq 255 on pci0.2.0
chip2: <PCI to CardBus bridge (vendor=1179 device=060f)> rev 0x05 int b irq 255 on pci0.2.1
vga0: <Chips & Technologies model 00e5 VGA-compatible display device> rev 0xc6 on pci0.4.0
chip3: <Intel 82371AB PCI to ISA bridge> rev 0x02 on pci0.7.0
ide_pci0: <Intel PIIX4 Bus-master IDE controller> rev 0x01 on pci0.7.1
chip4: <Intel 82371AB Power management controller> rev 0x02 on pci0.7.3
Probing for devices on PCI bus 1:
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Probing for devices on PCI bus 18:
Probing for devices on PCI bus 19:
Probing for devices on PCI bus 20:
Probing for devices on PCI bus 21:
Probing for devices on the ISA bus:
sc0 on isa
sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0>
atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard
atkbd0 irq 1 on isa
psm0 irq 12 on isa
psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0
sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa
sio0: type 16550A
... try to identify the yamaha
pcm0 at 0x530 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0xa200 on isa
mss_attach <mss>0 at 0x530 irq 5 dma 1:1 flags 0xa200
fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa
fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in
wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa
wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): <IBM-DKLA-24320>
wd0: 4126MB (8452080 sectors), 8944 cyls, 15 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S
wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 on isa
wdc1: unit 0 (atapi): <CD-224E/7.5A>, removable, accel, ovlap, dma, iordis
acd0: drive speed 4134KB/sec, 128KB cache
acd0: supported read types: CD-R, CD-DA
acd0: Audio: play, 256 volume levels
acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray
acd0: Medium: no/blank disc inside, unlocked
ppc0 at 0x378 irq 7 on isa
ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode
ppi0: <generic parallel i/o> on ppbus 0
plip0: <PLIP network interface> on ppbus 0
xe0 not found
vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa
npx0 on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
apm0 flags 0x31 on isa
apm: found APM BIOS version 1.2
Initializing PC-card drivers: sio xe
changing root device to wd0s1a

--

Code 128 not found
Code 128 not found
code Unknown ignored
Code 131 not found
Code 131 not found
code Unknown ignored
Configuration data for card in slot 0
Tuple #1, code = 0x1 (Common memory descriptor), length = 3
    000:  00 00 ff
	Common memory device information:
		Device number 1, type No device, WPS = OFF
		Speed = No speed, Memory block size = 512b, 1 units
Tuple #2, code = 0x15 (Version 1 info), length = 57
    000:  04 01 54 6f 73 68 69 62 61 20 41 6d 65 72 69 63
    010:  61 00 33 43 58 4d 30 35 36 2d 42 4e 57 00 33 43
    020:  4f 4d 2f 4e 6f 74 65 57 6f 72 74 68 79 20 35 36
    030:  4b 20 4d 6f 64 65 6d 00 ff
	Version = 4.1, Manuf = [Toshiba America],card vers = [3CXM056-BNW]
	Addit. info = [3COM/NoteWorthy 56K Modem],[ÿ]
Tuple #3, code = 0x20 (Manufacturer ID), length = 4
    000:  01 01 2f 00
	PCMCIA ID = 0x101, OEM ID = 0x2f
Tuple #4, code = 0x21 (Functional ID), length = 2
    000:  02 01
	Serial port/modem - POST initialize
Tuple #5, code = 0x1a (Configuration map), length = 5
    000:  01 23 00 03 03
	Reg len = 2, config register addr = 0x300, last config = 0x23
	Registers: XX------ 
Tuple #6, code = 0x1b (Configuration entry), length = 16
    000:  e0 41 99 49 55 3e 3d aa 60 f8 03 07 30 ff ff 28
	Config index = 0x20(default)
	Interface byte = 0x41 (I/O)  +RDY/-BSY active
	Vcc pwr:
		Nominal operating supply voltage: 5 x 1V
		Continuous supply current: 3.5 x 100mA
		Power down supply current: 3.5 x 10mA
	Card decodes 10 address lines, 8 Bit I/O only
		I/O address # 1: block start = 0x3f8 block length = 0x8
		IRQ modes: Level
		IRQs:  4 5 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
	Max twin cards = 0
	Misc attr: (Audio-BVD2) (Power down supported)
Tuple #7, code = 0x1b (Configuration entry), length = 7
    000:  21 08 aa 60 f8 02 07
	Config index = 0x21
	Card decodes 10 address lines, 8 Bit I/O only
		I/O address # 1: block start = 0x2f8 block length = 0x8
Tuple #8, code = 0x1b (Configuration entry), length = 7
    000:  22 08 aa 60 e8 03 07
	Config index = 0x22
	Card decodes 10 address lines, 8 Bit I/O only
		I/O address # 1: block start = 0x3e8 block length = 0x8
Tuple #9, code = 0x1b (Configuration entry), length = 7
    000:  23 08 aa 60 e8 02 07
	Config index = 0x23
	Card decodes 10 address lines, 8 Bit I/O only
		I/O address # 1: block start = 0x2e8 block length = 0x8
Tuple #10, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 4
    000:  00 02 0f 7c
	Serial interface extension:
		16550 UART, Parity - Space,Mark,Odd,Even,
Tuple #11, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 9
    000:  01 1f 0f 00 06 00 00 06 00
	Modem interface capabilities:
Tuple #12, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 12
    000:  02 06 00 3f 1c 03 03 0f 07 00 02 b5
	Data modem services available:
Tuple #13, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 8
    000:  13 06 00 0f 00 02 00 b5
Tuple #14, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 8
    000:  23 06 00 0f 00 02 00 b5
Tuple #15, code = 0x0 (Null tuple), length = 10
    000:  02 01 2f 00 21 00 07 00 00 ff
Tuple #16, code = 0x0 (Null tuple), length = 14
    000:  31 30 39 4e 31 43 37 38 33 35 37 32 00 ff
Tuple #17, code = 0x14 (No link), length = 0
Tuple #18, code = 0xff (Terminator), length = 0
Code 136 not found
Code 136 not found
code Unknown ignored
code Manufacturer ID ignored
Configuration data for card in slot 1
Tuple #1, code = 0x1 (Common memory descriptor), length = 2
    000:  00 ff
	Common memory device information:
		Device number 1, type No device, WPS = OFF
		Speed = No speed, Memory block size = reserved, 32 units
Tuple #2, code = 0x17 (Attribute memory descriptor), length = 2
    000:  00 ff
	Attribute memory device information:
		Device number 1, type No device, WPS = OFF
		Speed = No speed, Memory block size = reserved, 32 units
Tuple #3, code = 0x15 (Version 1 info), length = 44
    000:  05 00 58 69 72 63 6f 6d 00 43 72 65 64 69 74 43
    010:  61 72 64 20 31 30 2f 31 30 30 00 43 45 33 2d 31
    020:  30 2f 31 30 30 00 31 2e 30 30 00 ff
	Version = 5.0, Manuf = [Xircom],card vers = [CreditCard 10/100]
	Addit. info = [CE3-10/100],[1.00]
Tuple #4, code = 0x0 (Null tuple), length = 8
    000:  f5 ee 72 00 00 00 00 00
Tuple #5, code = 0x0 (Null tuple), length = 5
    000:  05 01 0a 01 43
Tuple #6, code = 0x44 (Card init date), length = 4
    000:  9a 5c 5a 26
Tuple #7, code = 0x1a (Configuration map), length = 5
    000:  01 01 00 08 03
	Reg len = 2, config register addr = 0x800, last config = 0x1
	Registers: XX------ 
Tuple #8, code = 0x1b (Configuration entry), length = 25
    000:  c1 c1 bd 7f 55 4d 5d 3e 46 46 06 e0 17 17 e4 60
    010:  00 00 0f 70 bc 8e 10 00 20
	Config index = 0x1(default)
	Interface byte = 0xc1 (I/O)  +RDY/-BSY active, wait signal supported
	Vcc pwr:
		Nominal operating supply voltage: 5 x 1V
		Minimum operating supply voltage: 4.5 x 1V
		Maximum operating supply voltage: 5.5 x 1V
		Continuous supply current: 3.5 x 100mA
		Max current average over 1 second: 4 x 100mA
		Max current average over 10 ms: 4 x 100mA
		Power down supply current: 1 x 100mA
	Wait scale Speed = 1.2 x 10 ms
	RDY/BSY scale Speed = 1.2 x 10 ms
	Card decodes 23 address lines
		IRQ modes:
		IRQs:  NMI IOCK BERR 0 1 2 4 8 9 10 12
	Memory space length = 0x60
	Max twin cards = 0
	Misc attr:
Tuple #9, code = 0x21 (Functional ID), length = 2
    000:  06 00
	Network/LAN adapter
Tuple #10, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 8
    000:  04 06 00 80 c7 f5 ee 72
	Voice services available:
Tuple #11, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 2
    000:  01 02
	Modem interface capabilities:
Tuple #12, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 5
    000:  02 80 96 98 00
	Data modem services available:
Tuple #13, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 5
    000:  02 00 e1 f5 05
	Data modem services available:
Tuple #14, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 2
    000:  03 01
Tuple #15, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 2
    000:  03 03
Tuple #16, code = 0x22 (Functional EXT), length = 2
    000:  05 00
	Modem interface capabilities:
Tuple #17, code = 0xff (Terminator), length = 0
2 slots found



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From owner-freebsd-stable  Mon Jun  7 14:15:22 1999
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Please ignore my prior message, I fixed the problems.

At times, all that is necessary for me to solve a problem on my own is
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For the archives:

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I'm going to be getting a ADSL modem and the NIC card that is included in
the package is a Kingston KNE410, unfortunately I don't know if it is a PCI
or ISA NIC.  Does anyone have any idea if it should work with
FreeBSD-Stable?  

Thanks in advance,

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I'm comparing raid controllers, and their relative throughputs are
heavily dependent on the scsi i/o blocksize (not surprisingly).  Can
someone tell me the blocksize freebsd uses in scsi FS file i/o?  If it
matters, this would be a freebsd 3.2 nfs server.

Thanks!!
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I got one (10/100, PCI) from P*B, and it works quite well.

The P*B service leaves something to be desired... but then again, you get
what you pay for.

-Andy

On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Scott Benjamin wrote:

}I'm going to be getting a ADSL modem and the NIC card that is included in
}the package is a Kingston KNE410, unfortunately I don't know if it is a PCI
}or ISA NIC.  Does anyone have any idea if it should work with
}FreeBSD-Stable?  
}
}Thanks in advance,
}
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 Hello, I run a moderatly sized ISP and as an
 FTP daemon we use NcFTPD (www.ncftpd.com). I really
 have no use for any of its features, plus i'm sure
 most of these features are included with using
 the normal ftpd from inetd.
 A few things I need to know first, is were can I get
 more information about this? Configuration wise..
 theres a lot of stuff i'd like to change, (pre-login
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 Secondly, lately i read some stuff about security
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Holtor <holtor@yahoo.com> writes:
>  Hello, I run a moderatly sized ISP and as an
>  FTP daemon we use NcFTPD (www.ncftpd.com).

I wouldn't, if I were you. I've never used ncftpd, but judging from
ncftp, the author has absolutely no concept of how to properly
implement the FTP protocol.

>  most of these features are included with using
>  the normal ftpd from inetd.

If you expect large amounts of FTP traffic, you might want to run ftpd
in standalone mode.

>  A few things I need to know first, is were can I get
>  more information about this? Configuration wise..

The man page, of course. If that's not enough, read the source code.
It's quite beautifully written.

>  Secondly, lately i read some stuff about security
>  in this ftpd? Running the normal ftpd that comes
>  with freebsd is probably the safest way to go am I
>  correct?

It's pretty well-tested. I'm not aware of any vulnerabilities.

DES
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On Tue, Jun 08, 1999 at 01:43:23PM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:
> I wouldn't, if I were you. I've never used ncftpd, but judging from
> ncftp, the author has absolutely no concept of how to properly
> implement the FTP protocol.

If you think this is not for -stable, please send me an email on why this is
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On Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 05:27:21PM -0500, Rich Winkel <rich@chumbly.math.missouri.edu> wrote:

> I'm comparing raid controllers, and their relative throughputs are
> heavily dependent on the scsi i/o blocksize (not surprisingly).  Can
> someone tell me the blocksize freebsd uses in scsi FS file i/o?  If it
> matters, this would be a freebsd 3.2 nfs server.

The maximum is 64KB for one transaction if I can recall some of the 
Greg Lehey's messages.  The usual is around 8KB per transaction. I can 
be wrong, I'm not expert by any means.
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I've been having problems with this kernel ever since I upgraded my INN
installation, but this is the first time I get a panic instead of just a
system hang :(


: page fault while in kernel mode
fault virtual address   = 0x8
fault code              = supervisor write, page not present
instruction pointer     = 0x8:0xc01c82e0
stack pointer           = 0x10:0xcbd43cec
frame pointer           = 0x10:0xcbd43d04
code segment            = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b
                        = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1
processor eflags        = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0
current process         = 95 (ifconfig)
interrupt mask          = net 
trap number             = 12
panic: page fault

syncing disks... 6 6 1 done
Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort
Rebooting...



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Hi,

I have noticed that the time stamps of device nodes under /dev don't
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Thanks for any info on this.

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On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Luc Morin wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have noticed that the time stamps of device nodes under /dev don't
> match my make world date, even after I use mergemaster. Is this normal,
> or is mergemaster supposed to update all the device nodes ?

mergemaster does not touch /dev, you need to update that yourself,
normally just sh MAKEDEV all

Dennis

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	I am trying to run  a set of SCO binaries on my 3.2 machine. When I run
	them I get:

	Bad system call

	Now belive it or not, this is actually progress. before I was getting
	errors about init files not being found. I have now loaded all of them
	onot the FreebSD machine.

	How can I debug this furthere? What system call is failing for
	instance?

	Thanks.

-- 
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In message <199906072115.RAA24018@blackhelicopters.org> Dispatcher writes:
: Be sure you use IRQ 10 for this card.  It likes IRQ 10.  If you
: attempt to use a different one, it will appear to be properly
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: under its breath "Nope, ain't gonna do it, can't make do it, don't
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More likely it is the resources in use on your machines, and how your
pcic/card bus bridge is wired up that determines that IRQ 10 is the
best.  The pc card connector only has one interrupt line...

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On Sat, 5 Jun 1999, Michael A. Alderete wrote:

> I have a FreeBSD-based web/ftp server that is crashing
> regularly, and the crashes are causing (caused by)file
> system corruption.

When reporting "crashes", if you get a kernel panic, AT MINUMUM you *must*
include the panic output.  

If you can reproduce it, you should build a debugging kernel, turn dumps
on, cause a panic, and trace back the dump.  This points the finger at the
offending function.  The Handbook section on kernel debugging is highly
recommended.

For fun, I'd try using a singleprocessor kernel and see if it helps; I
doubt it will, but it's a good idea to eliminate possibilities. 

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I've been getitng the same panic on my mail server. 
FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE #0: Tue Jun  8 12:33:11 PDT 1999
frf@mail.energyinteractive.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/MAIL

mkdir -p causes it on any filesystem over 500MB. Softupdates or not.
I've had to back up to a 3.1 kernel to avoid the panic.

I'm currently building a debugging kernel. I'll post my results
shortly.

frf@energyinteractive.com

The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> 
> I've been having problems with this kernel ever since I upgraded my INN
> installation, but this is the first time I get a panic instead of just a
> system hang :(
> 
> : page fault while in kernel mode
> fault virtual address   = 0x8
> fault code              = supervisor write, page not present
> instruction pointer     = 0x8:0xc01c82e0
> stack pointer           = 0x10:0xcbd43cec
> frame pointer           = 0x10:0xcbd43d04
> code segment            = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b
>                         = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1
> processor eflags        = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0
> current process         = 95 (ifconfig)
> interrupt mask          = net
> trap number             = 12
> panic: page fault
> 
> syncing disks... 6 6 1 done
> Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort
> Rebooting...
> 
> Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
> Systems Administrator @ hub.org
> primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org


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Subscribers of stable & questions should see
some of messages about kernel clock latancy
about 55 min per hour. Doug tald there bug
somewhere. Is the /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_clock.c
correct place to find a problem? And if so
can somebody enlight what is FreeBSD's kernel
clock setup algorithm?

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Well, while building a debugging kernel I get.

loading kernel
ffs_alloc.o: In function `ffs_reallocblks':
/sys/compile/MAIL/../../ufs/ffs/ffs_alloc.c(.text+0x8d0): undefined
reference to `ffs_checkblk'
*** Error code 1

hmmmm.

frf@energyinteractive.com

Robert Faulds wrote:
> 
> I've been getitng the same panic on my mail server.
> FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE #0: Tue Jun  8 12:33:11 PDT 1999
> frf@mail.energyinteractive.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/MAIL
> 
> mkdir -p causes it on any filesystem over 500MB. Softupdates or not.
> I've had to back up to a 3.1 kernel to avoid the panic.
> 
> I'm currently building a debugging kernel. I'll post my results
> shortly.
> 
> frf@energyinteractive.com
> 
> The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> >
> > I've been having problems with this kernel ever since I upgraded my INN
> > installation, but this is the first time I get a panic instead of just a
> > system hang :(
> >
> > : page fault while in kernel mode
> > fault virtual address   = 0x8
> > fault code              = supervisor write, page not present
> > instruction pointer     = 0x8:0xc01c82e0
> > stack pointer           = 0x10:0xcbd43cec
> > frame pointer           = 0x10:0xcbd43d04
> > code segment            = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b
> >                         = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1
> > processor eflags        = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0
> > current process         = 95 (ifconfig)
> > interrupt mask          = net
> > trap number             = 12
> > panic: page fault
> >
> > syncing disks... 6 6 1 done
> > Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort
> > Rebooting...
> >
> > Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
> > Systems Administrator @ hub.org
> > primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
> 
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Sorry. I'm aware that this is the wrong list for this question but would
like to ask a very simple question. 
I bought the book .   The Complete FreeBSD   back when I had 2.2.5.
Has there been any updates to the book to reflect any changes? Is the book
still valid for for 3x systems?
 
Or. Point me to the proper list for this question. 

Thank you.
Keith



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Check freebsd-questions from April-May, 1999.
E.g. http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=9009909+0+archive/1999/freebsd-questions/19990607.freebsd-questions

It contains the references to the sites with the updates/errata to the book.

I hope that helps.


Igor



> Sorry. I'm aware that this is the wrong list for this question but would
> like to ask a very simple question. 
> I bought the book .   The Complete FreeBSD   back when I had 2.2.5.
> Has there been any updates to the book to reflect any changes? Is the book
> still valid for for 3x systems?
>  
> Or. Point me to the proper list for this question. 
> 
> Thank you.
> Keith
> 
> 
> 
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I can make my machine panic by building a kernel with '-O
-funroll-all-loops, and the making a directory.

"Doctor, It hurts when I do this...
<smack!>


# uname -a
3.2-STABLE FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE #0: Tue Jun  8 15:06:56 PDT 1999    
frf@mail.energyinteractive.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/MAIL

#ls -l /usr/obj
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  12 Jan 23 00:47 /usr/obj -> /usr/src/obj
# mkdir -p /usr/obj/foo/bar

panic page fault

then after dumping core, savecore produces a panic:

panic ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch

frf@energyinteractive.com

The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> 
> I've been having problems with this kernel ever since I upgraded my INN
> installation, but this is the first time I get a panic instead of just a
> system hang :(
> 
> : page fault while in kernel mode
> fault virtual address   = 0x8
> fault code              = supervisor write, page not present
> instruction pointer     = 0x8:0xc01c82e0
> stack pointer           = 0x10:0xcbd43cec
> frame pointer           = 0x10:0xcbd43d04
> code segment            = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b
>                         = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1
> processor eflags        = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0
> current process         = 95 (ifconfig)
> interrupt mask          = net
> trap number             = 12
> panic: page fault
> 
> syncing disks... 6 6 1 done
> Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort
> Rebooting...


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From: Alfred Perlstein <bright@rush.net>
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On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Robert Faulds wrote:

> I can make my machine panic by building a kernel with '-O
> -funroll-all-loops, and the making a directory.
> 
> "Doctor, It hurts when I do this...
> <smack!>

afaik gcc 2.7.x is known to be "weird" with complex C + -funroll-loops

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Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes:

> I wouldn't, if I were you. I've never used ncftpd, but judging from
> ncftp, the author has absolutely no concept of how to properly
> implement the FTP protocol.

I've never used ncftpd either, but I have used various versions
of ncftp for many years without any problems.  Would you care to
elaborate on the issues that concern you?

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Morning all...

	Late last week, I upgraded the INN news server running on my
box to the latest code, due to major changes in the XOVER code.  Within
12hrs or so, the system hung solid.  You could ping it, but nothing else.
Previous to the code upgrade, the server had been running consistently,
and without problems, since its last reboot.

	I've included both the dmesg output, and the kernel config file
I'm using, and, according to uname -rv:

	3.2-STABLE FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE #0: Tue Jun  8 12:56:16 EDT 1999

	Basically, my attitude has been that if my machine crashes or
reboots, for whatever reason, take that day (its down anyway) to upgrade
to the newest -STABLE release, just to catch any bugs/instabilities that
may have been found since the last one.

	Now I'm getting these hangs almost like clockwork...every 24hrs or
so.  My impression has always been that a hang where you can still ping
the machine is a SCSI problem, so that is why I'm CC'ng the SCSI mailing
list...

	I have 11 SCSI drives on that machine...if its a drive problem,
narrowing it down is going to be next to impossible without *some* sort of
help from the operating system.

	I work in an exclusively Solaris shop at work, and one of the very
nice things about Solaris is that it will at least give you WARNING
messages if something appears off...if the machine is still pingable, and
if I have a serial console up, and assuming that there is some sort of
'race condition' at work, is there no way of having the kernel issue a
message to the console telling me that its having a problem talking to
drive rdaXs1X?  Something to indicate that there is a problem and which
drive it suspects?

Thanks...

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 

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From owner-freebsd-stable  Wed Jun  9  5:49: 5 1999
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From: David Malone <dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie>
To: The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
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Subject: Re: System hangs...SCSI/CAM related?
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On Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 09:32:52AM -0300, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> 
> 	Now I'm getting these hangs almost like clockwork...every 24hrs or
> so.  My impression has always been that a hang where you can still ping
> the machine is a SCSI problem, so that is why I'm CC'ng the SCSI mailing
> list...

Hangs where you can still ping are more likely just to be some
sort of kernel loop where network interupts are still enabeled.
Try compiling the debugger into the kernel and when it hangs break
to the debugger (ctl-printscrn) and get a trace ("trace"). You could
then try continuing from the debugger ("continue") and breaking again
a few moments later, to see how much the trace has changed. Repeat
this a few times and see if you can figure out where it is stuck.

I had a few lockups after upgrading INN a few times. It seemed to go
away if I rebuild my history database (which I'd forgotten to do).

	David.


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On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, David Malone wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 09:32:52AM -0300, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> > 
> > 	Now I'm getting these hangs almost like clockwork...every 24hrs or
> > so.  My impression has always been that a hang where you can still ping
> > the machine is a SCSI problem, so that is why I'm CC'ng the SCSI mailing
> > list...
> 
> Hangs where you can still ping are more likely just to be some
> sort of kernel loop where network interupts are still enabeled.
> Try compiling the debugger into the kernel and when it hangs break
> to the debugger (ctl-printscrn) and get a trace ("trace"). You could
> then try continuing from the debugger ("continue") and breaking again
> a few moments later, to see how much the trace has changed. Repeat
> this a few times and see if you can figure out where it is stuck.

I would love to comply this with one, except the last time I asked about
this, it basically worked out that there was no way of doing the break to
debugger from a serial console :(

Anyone know if that has changed?

> I had a few lockups after upgrading INN a few times. It seemed to go
> away if I rebuild my history database (which I'd forgotten to do).

I'm sorry, but this, IMHO, is just wrong...not that you had the problem,
just that the problem ever existed...it might just be me, but a userland
program locking up the system sounds like a MicroSloth-ism, not something
I'd expect from Unix :(  If I were running it as root vs
news...maybe...but even then, it should cause an error or terminate more
gracefully then "screw this, let's crash"...

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
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> I would love to comply this with one, except the last time I asked about
> this, it basically worked out that there was no way of doing the break to
> debugger from a serial console :(
> 
> Anyone know if that has changed?

Control-PrintScreen should break to the debugger, providing you aren't
running X.

> > I had a few lockups after upgrading INN a few times. It seemed to go
> > away if I rebuild my history database (which I'd forgotten to do).
> 
> I'm sorry, but this, IMHO, is just wrong...not that you had the problem,
> just that the problem ever existed...it might just be me, but a userland
> program locking up the system sounds like a MicroSloth-ism, not something
> I'd expect from Unix :(  If I were running it as root vs
> news...maybe...but even then, it should cause an error or terminate more
> gracefully then "screw this, let's crash"...

It shouldn't have helped, but it seemed to. At the time I was more interested
in getting the machine working than tracking down the problem.

This is with a 2.2.X machine, and I am using mmap for most stuff in
inn, which at one stage people advised against. Until quite recently
we used to get blocks of nuls at the end of the active file if we
had a crash - now I've a perl script which cleans this stuff up. (The
machine is one of two NFS servers for about 50 diskless terminals,
and sometimes runs out of mbufs)...

	David.


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In message <XFMail.990606132305.malpert@holdenz.com>, Shawn Workman 
writes:
> Pardon my for my ignorance, but is your spamsite database available to those 
> of
> us who run our own mailservers?
> 
> or is there a place that has a spamsite database that is updated regularly?
> 
> 
> 
> On 06-Jun-99 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > This spammer (1sourcesolutions.com) has been blocked.  Sorry for the
> > inconvenience.  Same goes for the other spammers who've hit us over
> > the last 3 days; I've been adding entries to our spamsite database
> > a lot more often lately. :(

If you use RBL (Realtime Blackhole List), they're in the ORBS database. 
 You can tell Sendmail, Smtpd, or probably other MTA's to use RBL.  
Here is some rblcheck (an interactive RBL checker [slightly modified] 
from the ports collection) output.

cwsys# rblcheck 1sourcesolutions.com
checking 209.63.182.72
not RBL filtered by rbl.maps.vix.com
RBL filtered by relays.orbs.org
not RBL filtered by dul.maps.vix.com
not RBL filtered by dssl.imrss.org
cwsys# 



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On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, David Malone wrote:

> > I would love to comply this with one, except the last time I asked about
> > this, it basically worked out that there was no way of doing the break to
> > debugger from a serial console :(
> > 
> > Anyone know if that has changed?
> 
> Control-PrintScreen should break to the debugger, providing you aren't
> running X.

Okay, am willing to try it.  Just to confirm, I only need to add:

options         DDB
options         DDB_UNATTENDED

To my kernel config for this, right?

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> Okay, am willing to try it.  Just to confirm, I only need to add:
> 
> options         DDB
> options         DDB_UNATTENDED
> 
> To my kernel config for this, right?

That's what we're using here.

	David.


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Think maybe the PII's were overclocked or incorrectly marked perhaps?
I've heard of it happening. If you're really bored, you might put
the CPU's back in and then back off the clockspeed till the crashes stop.

Glad to hear its all sorted out.

Mark

On Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 09:40:58AM +0100, Greg Quinlan wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have been busy fixing my panic problem.
> 
> Looking good!!!!
> 
> # uname -a; uptime
> FreeBSD amanda.qmpgmc.ac.uk 3.2-STABLE FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE #0: Wed May 26
> 08:43:3
> 4 BST 1999     greg@amanda.qmpgmc.ac.uk:/usr/src/sys/compile/dns1  i386
>  9:19AM  up 11 days, 13:27, 3 users, load averages: 0.01, 0.03, 0.00
> 
> I finally had a way of making the server crash every time.
> 
> do a "make world" om 3.2-R.....
> 
> A so goes the story of grandfathers axe:
> ("Grandfather axe.... replaced the handle a few times, then the head, but it
> was still grandfathers axe")
> 
> Good old fashioned repairs....
> 
> 0. I updated to 3.2-S ... 26 May 1999
> 1. I replaced the RAM.
> 2. I replaced the Motherboard.
> 3. I replaced the SCSI-UW controller.
> 
> 4. I replaced the Video Card.
> 5. I replaced the all the Hard Disks.
> 6. I replaced the Network cards.
> 
> What's left?.... ahhhhh ... replaced the Floppy...  then the
> CD-ROM....unplugged the
> tape... replaced.... all the cables... finally the power supply!
> 
> Each time I ran "make world", I could still crash it!
> 
> What next.....the case?
> 
> NOPE!......
> 
> 7. I replaced the both CPU's.......... WTF#!
> 
> NO CRASH!
> 
> Well that must be it then... FreeBSD has blown the guts out of my INTEL PII
> 333
> Processor....Too quick for it. {:-)
> ....... and before anybody says, "The processor must be getting too hot?" It
> was not getting too hot!
> 
> Maybe Intel should use FreeBSD to test/rate CPU's?
> (Isn't it a rumour that Intel only make one PII CPU and just rate them!)
> 
> I'M HAPPY NOW!!
> 
> Oh yes ....
> [Q] How stable is FreeBSD?
> [A] Very Stable!
> 
> And a special thanks to
> Mark Blackman <tmb@rcru.rl.ac.uk>
> for his idea of old fashioned hardware diagnosis.
> 
> One last thing; To those users that may be having problems with their FBSD
> installs on a more current version
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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I spoke with the author, Greg Lehey, last night and he said that the updated
for FreeBSD3 version should be back from the printers and ready for
distribution this week.

Regards,
--Keith Stevenson--

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On Tue, Jun 08, 1999 at 02:27:40PM -0700, saxon wrote:
> Sorry. I'm aware that this is the wrong list for this question but would
> like to ask a very simple question. 
> I bought the book .   The Complete FreeBSD   back when I had 2.2.5.
> Has there been any updates to the book to reflect any changes? Is the book
> still valid for for 3x systems?
>  
> Or. Point me to the proper list for this question. 
> 
> Thank you.
> Keith
> 
> 
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Over the past week and a bit, the INN -CURRENT source tree had a major
upheaval of code, in order to fix the major problem where reader speed
sucked.  What used to take >1min to load up a newsgruop now generally
takes mere seconds (no exaggeration, try it)...

The problem is that the new code makes *heavy* use of MMAP() ...

When the code was put in place, I immediately upgraded my server to give
the code a good test (am one of the developers over there) in a production
environment, and ever since then, my system locks up around 24hrs uptime,
requiring a cold boot.

I cannot get into DDB, since I'm over a serial console, so debugging this
has proved to be next to impossible :(

After discussing this with a few other FreeBSD'rs who have seen similar
problems, the point got brought up that it was believed there was still a
problem with our MMAP() implementation ... basically where it could still
cause a race condition to be generated ...

Since this problem is crucial to the stability of my server, as well as
anyone that keeps up on INN, I'm curious as to whether or not there are
any known problems with MMAP(), and, if so...what can I do to help rectify
the problem?

I run CURRENT at home and STABLE in production, but the production server
is the only one that I believe has enough load on her to be able to
trigger it...

Is this a problem that is fixed in CURRENT, but hasn't migrated down into
STABLE?  Is there any way of adding some sort of debug code to STABLE such
that if the race condition is trigger, it will at least pop up a message
onto the console letting me know its happened so that I know its MMAP()
related?

Thanks...

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From owner-freebsd-stable  Wed Jun  9 10:41:57 1999
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Can someone tell me where the source code for the package utilitys 
are at. I would like to play with it and am unable to locate it on my 
CD.


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CC'ng your suggestion to the 'kernel wizards'...right now, the only thing
I have to work with is the fact that the problems started right after I
upgraded INN to the new code...the rest is basically trying to followup
suggestions...

On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, Richard Michael Todd wrote:

> In message <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906091317550.49155-100000@thelab.hub.org>you write:
> >
> >I'm currently investigating a problem with my server that
> >coincedentally(sp?) started right after I upgraded INN to what we
> >currently have...
> >
> >Someone *just* suggested that they thought that 3.2-STABLE of FreeBSD
> >still has a slight bug in MMAP that causes a race condition...it just
> >clued into me that Richard(?) sent out that response to me about Clayton
> >using mmap() more now in nnrpd to share active?
> 
> It's actually sharing the group.index file, as well as mmap()ing the .IDX
> and .DAT files when needed.  It'd require a lot of work to implement a
> non-mmap version of the code.  Given that people like Matt Dillon are 
> interested in working on the FreeBSD VM code, it's probably easier just to 
> get him to fix mmap() on FreeBSD. :-) 
> 
> FWIW, I haven't seen any problems like that on 3.1-STABLE, but I may
> just not have enough reader load to trigger it.  The use of mmap() in
> the ov3.c code isn't anything terribly exotic (i.e. not too different
> from, say, how cnfs.c or dbz uses it), and the group.index file is
> only a couple meg.  The ov3.c code does do a lot of byte-range locking
> of the group.index file, though; have you and the FreeBSD kernel
> wizards considered the possibility that it may be the byte-range
> fcntl() locking code that's the problem?


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> Would love to help here, but I can't get into the Debugger through a
> serial console :(

Actually, serial breaking to the debugger seems to work fine here
too. I just hit break - it went to the debugger, and then did c to
continue. (This is with a 3.2-STABLE machine, as of about a week
last Friday). I've the following in the kernel.

device          sio0    at isa? port "IO_COM1" flags 0x30 tty irq 4
options         DDB
options         DDB_UNATTENDED
options         BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER

We did have some local diffs to sio.c, but they seem to be gone now.

	David.


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I believe I stumbled over this as well.   (As a side note, you can run DDB
over a serial console too, just compile with DDB, and DDB_UNATTENDED so your
system will come back if it unexpectedly panics; on the serial console send
a 'break').

Anyway, I have a simple program that mmap()s a 1Gig file into memory, 
madvise()s it that it will be doing random access.  If I quit and restart
this program a couple of times (yes, it close()s and munmap()s the segment),
my system will hard lock.  By dropping into DDB once I found that it was
stuck in 'vm_somethingorother_choosepage'.  Does this ring any bells?  Should
I try to stop my system again?

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<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param>Thank you for responding so quickly,


I still can not find it, I went to /usr/src/usr.bin, here is what I have on 
a 2.2.7 FreeBSD box.


<smaller><smaller>bash-2.02# pwd

/usr/src/usr.bin

bash-2.02# ls p*

pagesize:

Makefile        pagesize.1      pagesize.sh


passwd:

Makefile        extern.h        local_passwd.c  passwd.1        passwd.c        yp_passwd.c


paste:

Makefile        paste.1         paste.c


pr:

Makefile        egetopt.c       extern.h        pr.1            pr.c            pr.h


printenv:

Makefile        printenv.1      printenv.c


printf:

Makefile        printf.1        printf.c

bash-2.02# ls -l p*

pagesize:

total 12

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   209 Jan 23  1996 Makefile

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  2291 Feb 11  1996 pagesize.1

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  1986 Nov  6  1996 pagesize.sh


passwd:

total 62

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  2347 Feb 18  1998 Makefile

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  2016 Jan 20  1995 extern.h

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  6021 May 22  1998 local_passwd.c

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  7209 Mar  8  1998 passwd.1

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  5714 Jul 31  1997 passwd.c

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  5872 Jul 31  1997 yp_passwd.c


paste:

total 22

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel    74 May 27  1994 Makefile

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  4048 Jul 31  1997 paste.1

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  5801 Jul 16  1998 paste.c


pr:

total 114

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel     92 May 27  1994 Makefile

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   5571 May 27  1994 egetopt.c

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   2741 May 27  1994 extern.h

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   8696 Aug  4  1997 pr.1

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  34945 Jul 16  1998 pr.c

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   2611 May 27  1994 pr.h


printenv:

total 16

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   102 May 27  1994 Makefile

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  3234 Aug  4  1997 printenv.1

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  2938 Sep 15  1997 printenv.c


printf:

total 38

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel    75 May 27  1994 Makefile

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  8251 Aug  4  1997 printf.1

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  8536 Nov 18  1997 printf.c

bash-2.02# clear


bash-2.02# pwd

/usr/src/usr.bin

bash-2.02# ls -l p*

pagesize:

total 12

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   209 Jan 23  1996 Makefile

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  2291 Feb 11  1996 pagesize.1

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  1986 Nov  6  1996 pagesize.sh


passwd:

total 62

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  2347 Feb 18  1998 Makefile

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  2016 Jan 20  1995 extern.h

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  6021 May 22  1998 local_passwd.c

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  7209 Mar  8  1998 passwd.1

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  5714 Jul 31  1997 passwd.c

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  5872 Jul 31  1997 yp_passwd.c


paste:

total 22

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel    74 May 27  1994 Makefile

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  4048 Jul 31  1997 paste.1

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  5801 Jul 16  1998 paste.c


pr:

total 114

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel     92 May 27  1994 Makefile

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   5571 May 27  1994 egetopt.c

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   2741 May 27  1994 extern.h

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   8696 Aug  4  1997 pr.1

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  34945 Jul 16  1998 pr.c

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   2611 May 27  1994 pr.h


printenv:

total 16

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   102 May 27  1994 Makefile

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  3234 Aug  4  1997 printenv.1

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  2938 Sep 15  1997 printenv.c


printf:

total 38

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel    75 May 27  1994 Makefile

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  8251 Aug  4  1997 printf.1

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  8536 Nov 18  1997 printf.c

bash-2.02# 


<bigger><bigger>Is there a way to extract the source off the CD?

Forgive me for my ignorance,


<nofill>


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On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, John Polstra <jdp@polstra.com> wrote:
>In article <19990123160814.A50957@znh.org>,
>Zach Heilig  <zach@uffdaonline.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 05:37:38AM +0000, Michael Robinson wrote:
>> > But when I use: cvs co -rRELENG_3 sys
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>> 
>> This can probably be fixed by typing:
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>> RELENG_3 y
>
>He's using remote cvs.  That line has to be added to the val-tags
>file on the server, not on the user's machine.  We ran into this once
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We've run into it again, this time with the tag RELENG_3_2_0_RELEASE.
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On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, David E. Cross wrote:

> I believe I stumbled over this as well.   (As a side note, you can run DDB
> over a serial console too, just compile with DDB, and DDB_UNATTENDED so your
> system will come back if it unexpectedly panics; on the serial console send
> a 'break').

And today's trick question...how do you send a break? :(  I'm telnet'd
into a Livingston Portmaster, with 'telnet -E' to disable the telnet
break...I have DDB and DDB_UNATTENDED enabled and running right now, so if
I can get this break issue working, then I'm all set for the next time if
it happens :)

> Anyway, I have a simple program that mmap()s a 1Gig file into memory, 
> madvise()s it that it will be doing random access.  If I quit and restart
> this program a couple of times (yes, it close()s and munmap()s the segment),
> my system will hard lock.  By dropping into DDB once I found that it was
> stuck in 'vm_somethingorother_choosepage'.  Does this ring any bells?  Should
> I try to stop my system again?

Just to prepare myself, if/when I get that break to work...you just did a
'trace', or is there something else I'll want to do in DDB?

Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
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by "break" I mean a serial break condition.  Take the Tx line out of your 
box and bring it negative 3-5 volts for a short time, that will be a break.

Seriously, the break will need to be sent from the piece of equipment that is
connected to the other end of the serial line.  It isn't a telnet issue at all.
There should be a way to drop into a command mode on the livingston (I have
never used one, so I don't know how), and send a RS-232 break to the remote
side.  After that go back to terminal mode, you should be at a DDB prompt.
"trace" should give you what we want to see.  Also, if you can configure 
'dumpon' and 'savecore' (man savecore, see 'dumpon' in /etc/rc.conf), at that
prompt enter 'panic' to get a core dump of your system... you may have to 
enter 'panic' more than once.

I have a spare machine here.. I will try my program on it shortly..  I don't 
feel like crashing my home machine again... it is in X so DDB doesn't work,
and I need to hard down it with the reset button.  Plus it is a good 15 minute
walk to just get there.

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On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, David E. Cross wrote:

> by "break" I mean a serial break condition.  Take the Tx line out of your 
> box and bring it negative 3-5 volts for a short time, that will be a break.
> 
> Seriously, the break will need to be sent from the piece of equipment that is
> connected to the other end of the serial line.  It isn't a telnet issue at all.
> There should be a way to drop into a command mode on the livingston (I have
> never used one, so I don't know how), and send a RS-232 break to the remote
> side.  After that go back to terminal mode, you should be at a DDB prompt.
> "trace" should give you what we want to see.  Also, if you can configure 
> 'dumpon' and 'savecore' (man savecore, see 'dumpon' in /etc/rc.conf), at that
> prompt enter 'panic' to get a core dump of your system... you may have to 
> enter 'panic' more than once.

Actually, I have all that enabled, but don't have a file system large
enough to dump to :(  memory is 384Meg, swap is another 1.6gig :)

Will look into the break thing...don't believe there is a way of doing it,
but have to search the docs to be certain...thanks...

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You have more than enough space to do it to.  Swap memory is not dumped, only
RAM is... typicall it is dumped to the swap partition.  In this case you 
have well more than enough.

If your /etc/fstab showed "/dev/da3s1b" as your 1.6 gig swap partition, you
would add "dumpon=/dev/da3s1b" to your /etc/rc.conf.  then make sure that
/var/crash has about 400M available space on it and the OS will take care
of the rest for you.  After a crash you can do "gdb -k /var/crash/kernel.X
/var/crash/vmcore.X" then the standard gdb kernel commands like "bt".

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On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, David E. Cross wrote:

> You have more than enough space to do it to.  Swap memory is not dumped, only
> RAM is... typicall it is dumped to the swap partition.  In this case you 
> have well more than enough.

Ah, okay, then I mis-read the error ;(  I have 1.6gig of swap spread over
10 drives...my largest is only 256Meg ... I'm going to look into getting a
dedicated drive for swap added onto that system, since it is a pain to not
be able to debug crashes :(

Thanks...

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From owner-freebsd-stable  Wed Jun  9 12:18: 0 1999
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Hello,
I wanted to build a kernel based on entries in /boot/loader.conf.  I happened
to comment out the following line from my kernel config file:

	config               kernel  root on da0

and after doing a "config", and "make depend", the "make" would fail silently.  I guess
I really shouldn't say fail, but the prompt would come back immediately  without
building a kernel, so in that sense it failed.  Once I uncommented the config line
all was well.  Has anyone noticed this before with stable.  Removing the config line
works in -current.  My last cvsup was from May 21st

phoenix.cl.msu.edu:jfgreen> what /kernel
/kernel:
        FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE #3: Fri May 21 18:27:19 EDT 1999

thanxs ...

#;^)

P.S.
I've also noticed that my kernel is rather large, i.e.:

	phoenix.cl.msu.edu:ikhala> ls -l /kernel
	-r-xr-xr-x   1 root     wheel     8736632 May 21 18:39 /kernel*

Is this normal?  I ask because kernels on my -current boxen are much
smaller even if I staticly link klds and include debug symbols ... :(

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How hard would it be to add a kernel option that would enable an alternate
key to drop to the debugger?  Say have it so that if a keystroke of ~b (as
suggested by one user) came through on the console line, it would drop to
the debugger?

I guess the next question is would this even work once the hang happened,
of course...

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mine is smaller:
-r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  2476260 Jun  6 01:48 /kernel*


On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, I'Khala wrote:

> Hello,
> I wanted to build a kernel based on entries in /boot/loader.conf.  I happened
> to comment out the following line from my kernel config file:
> 
> 	config               kernel  root on da0
> 
> and after doing a "config", and "make depend", the "make" would fail silently.  I guess
> I really shouldn't say fail, but the prompt would come back immediately  without
> building a kernel, so in that sense it failed.  Once I uncommented the config line
> all was well.  Has anyone noticed this before with stable.  Removing the config line
> works in -current.  My last cvsup was from May 21st
> 
> phoenix.cl.msu.edu:jfgreen> what /kernel
> /kernel:
>         FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE #3: Fri May 21 18:27:19 EDT 1999
> 
> thanxs ...
> 
> #;^)
> 
> P.S.
> I've also noticed that my kernel is rather large, i.e.:
> 
> 	phoenix.cl.msu.edu:ikhala> ls -l /kernel
> 	-r-xr-xr-x   1 root     wheel     8736632 May 21 18:39 /kernel*
> 
> Is this normal?  I ask because kernels on my -current boxen are much
> smaller even if I staticly link klds and include debug symbols ... :(
> 
> -- 
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> 308 Computer Laboratory               ikhala@pager.msu.edu
> Michigan State University             http://www.msu.edu/~ikhala
> East Lansing, MI  48824               +1.517.355.4500  x.151
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Wed Jun  9 13: 5:38 1999
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Hi all,

Has anyone experienced any problems using "natd" and Bay Network Routers
(spec. Baystack Access Mode routers)
( I also have the exact same problem with pre- 10.x HP-UX. ****BUT NOT 10.04
or 11.00)
(SUN pre-2.6 is also a problem)

The problem is, that I am unable to ping anything (or route), via these
machines beyond the first hop.
ie. the natd machine in the middle.

No problem with Cisco's Routers, or other Unix-ies.
If I bounce the traffic from the offending systems to a Cisco router then
back to the natd box... no problem, it works.

Any clues?

Could this be the cause?
tcp_extensions="YES"             # Disallow RFC1323 extensions (or YES).

Or a 10.x.x.x Network Structure?


Greg




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I'Khala wrote:
> 
> I've also noticed that my kernel is rather large, i.e.:
> 
>         phoenix.cl.msu.edu:ikhala> ls -l /kernel
>         -r-xr-xr-x   1 root     wheel     8736632 May 21 18:39 /kernel*

Now that's a man's kernel :)

A home workstation:

-r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  1212150 May 28 23:31 /kernel*

A small firewall/server:

-r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  1058825 Jun  8 10:27 /kernel*

tv


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Quoting Tony Voet (Tony.Voet@rug.ac.be):
> I'Khala wrote:
> > 
> > I've also noticed that my kernel is rather large, i.e.:
> > 
> >         phoenix.cl.msu.edu:ikhala> ls -l /kernel
> >         -r-xr-xr-x   1 root     wheel     8736632 May 21 18:39 /kernel*
> 
> Now that's a man's kernel :)
heh, heh, heh.  It's alive!, It's alive!! ... #;^)

> 
> A home workstation:
> 
> -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  1212150 May 28 23:31 /kernel*
> 
> A small firewall/server:
> 
> -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  1058825 Jun  8 10:27 /kernel*
> 
> tv
What's interesting is that I have pretty much the same options on my
-current box and I have the following

bantu.cl.msu.edu:dervish> ls -l /kernel
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root     wheel     1729523 Jun  3 13:55 /kernel*

Anyway, I'm looking into it still ...


#;^)
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The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org> probably said:
> On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, David E. Cross wrote:

> > by "break" I mean a serial break condition.  Take the Tx line out of your 
> > box and bring it negative 3-5 volts for a short time, that will be a break.
> > 
> > Seriously, the break will need to be sent from the piece of equipment that is
> > connected to the other end of the serial line.  It isn't a telnet issue at all.
> > There should be a way to drop into a command mode on the livingston (I have
> > never used one, so I don't know how), and send a RS-232 break to the remote
> > side.  After that go back to terminal mode, you should be at a DDB prompt.

> Will look into the break thing...don't believe there is a way of doing it,
> but have to search the docs to be certain...thanks...

When I used to telnet to portmasters (and ciscos, these days) used as
console servers all I did was control-] to get the telnet command mode
and type 'send brk', the portmaster sends the electrical signal.

P.

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On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, Peter Radcliffe wrote:

> The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org> probably said:
> > On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, David E. Cross wrote:
> 
> > > by "break" I mean a serial break condition.  Take the Tx line out of your 
> > > box and bring it negative 3-5 volts for a short time, that will be a break.
> > > 
> > > Seriously, the break will need to be sent from the piece of equipment that is
> > > connected to the other end of the serial line.  It isn't a telnet issue at all.
> > > There should be a way to drop into a command mode on the livingston (I have
> > > never used one, so I don't know how), and send a RS-232 break to the remote
> > > side.  After that go back to terminal mode, you should be at a DDB prompt.
> 
> > Will look into the break thing...don't believe there is a way of doing it,
> > but have to search the docs to be certain...thanks...
> 
> When I used to telnet to portmasters (and ciscos, these days) used as
> console servers all I did was control-] to get the telnet command mode
> and type 'send brk', the portmaster sends the electrical signal.

Livingston, in their infinite wisdom, "fixed this bug" in v3.1.4 of ComOS
*sigh*

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welllllll, back in the days before hacked drivers that would
wiggle the break bit in the DH-11 registers, we did the following,
assuming the port was set for some relatively speedy speed (4800 or 9600):

	(1) set the port to the slowest baud rate it supports - probably 50 baud
	(2) set the mode for 8 bits no parity
	(3) write a buffer of 0x00 to the port

usually worked just fine

	-mo


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I'm trying to get 3.2-RELEASE kernel source to patch with the latest PAO.
Could any cvs gurus confirm that these two formulations are basically
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Thanks.

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The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> How hard would it be to add a kernel option that would enable an alternate
> key to drop to the debugger?  Say have it so that if a keystroke of ~b (as
> suggested by one user) came through on the console line, it would drop to
> the debugger?

Would be most excellent if this could be done. A couple of boxen I
have here have serial consoles attached to other machines which
do a very good simulation of a break when the controlling process
leaves them. Dropping to DDB every time you reboot the other machine
is, uh, less than desirable behaviour. :-)

(Perhaps this thread should go to -hackers?)
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Hi all,

Description:
Every user login to the campus network will have exactly one connection to a
Samba server throughout his whole logon session.  This connection is in fact
quite idle, there will be very little (if any) traffic.

But, one connection will cost (at least) one additional process (smbd) plus
one estabilished TCP connection on the server.  With 1166 such connections,
my testing machine got 1183 process, 154MB active memory, 298 Used Swap
space and "netstat -an | egrep EST | wc -l" gives 1160 as the output.

So my question is:
1. what would be the hardware requirement?  Can I just put in more swap
instead of RAM since most of the time the connection is actually idling.
Now my machine has 256MB of RAM and 1GB of swap.
2. how can I fine-tune the kernel?  What I have done is recompile the kernel
with MAXUSERs=1024, then set kern.maxfiles=15000,
kern.maxfilesperproc=10240, ulimit -n 10240 before start samba daemon.  Is
this sufficient?  I couldn't generate the real load as the school is in
vacation.

In fact our production server is a Linux machine.  But I can forseen a lot
problem when term starts and all students come back to school.  So I am
looking at the possibility of using FreeBSD instead.  Any one has any
suggestion on the "release" I should use?  I have installed Release 3.2 on a
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> > key to drop to the debugger?  Say have it so that if a keystroke of ~b (as
> 
> Would be most excellent if this could be done. A couple of boxen I
> have here have serial consoles attached to other machines which
> do a very good simulation of a break when the controlling process
> leaves them. Dropping to DDB every time you reboot the other machine
> is, uh, less than desirable behaviour. :-)

Agreed, but this may be quite a project...  doing a "cd ~bob" would be
fun.  :)  You would pretty much have to implement some timing
requirements, but I imagine that it could bulk up that section of the
kernel pretty easily.  One thing that might help (assuming you CAN
generate a break) is to watch DCD (or some other control line(s)).
Generally, when a break is sent intentionally, the DCD line is active --
when the kernel detects a break, wait until after it's finished, then
check DCD.  If it's high, drop to debugger.  If it's low, somebody either
turned the terminal off or dropped outta kermit.

(I have the displeasure of maintaining an AIX box that does something
similar to this.  Before the upgrade that fixed this problem, turning off
the serial console brought the whole machine down.)

--Mike





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Can anyone point me towards some good documentation on how to burn a cd-rom
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Thanks,

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Mike Nowlin wrote:
> Agreed, but this may be quite a project...  doing a "cd ~bob" would be
> fun.  :)  You would pretty much have to implement some timing
> requirements, but I imagine that it could bulk up that section of the
> kernel pretty easily.

Yep. I started to hack something like this into sio.c in the days
of 2.1, then the need disappeared for a while and I never completed
it.

> One thing that might help (assuming you CAN
> generate a break) is to watch DCD (or some other control line(s)).

Yes. (DSR also jumps to mind.)

> Generally, when a break is sent intentionally, the DCD line is active --
> when the kernel detects a break, wait until after it's finished, then
> check DCD.  If it's high, drop to debugger.  If it's low, somebody either
> turned the terminal off or dropped outta kermit.

Excellent idea.

> (I have the displeasure of maintaining an AIX box that does something
> similar to this.  Before the upgrade that fixed this problem, turning off
> the serial console brought the whole machine down.)

Suns tend to do it too. Great fun when patch-monkeys disturb the
cable to the console... :-)
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>Can anyone point me towards some good documentation on how to burn a cd-rom
>with a HP 7200 cd-writer (ide) on 3.1 stable?
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Matt Stacker

Check my web site at <http://www.ogopogo.net/richard/freebsd/> for info on
FreeBSD 2.2.7. The information is a bit out of date and doesn't work
completely in 3.x anymore, but there are still some useful details and
links there.

There are a couple scripts that might help you; try
/usr/share/examples/atapi/burndata or /usr/share/examples/atapi/burnaudio.
For example,

sh /usr/share/examples/atapi/burndata wcd0a cd-image-file-created-with-mkisofs

The problem is, it doesn't work for me. Like you, I have an HP-7200i. The
last time I was able to build a CD-ROM was in 2.2.8. It almost seems (this
is very unscientific) that it never actually writes, but just goes into
test mode. Blanking a CD-RW doesn't seem to work. Writing just plain don't
work.

Please let me know if you can get it to work. I've been very frustrated
with this for quite some time.

Good luck!

-- Richard

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	Actually, I held a copy in my hands a copy of the 3rd ediditon at
the Walnust Creek vendor booth at USENIX today.  I believe it will be
shipping RSN.

cheers,
	Adrian
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> I spoke with the author, Greg Lehey, last night and he said that the updated
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> 
> Regards,
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> > I bought the book .   The Complete FreeBSD   back when I had 2.2.5.
> > Has there been any updates to the book to reflect any changes? Is the book
> > still valid for for 3x systems?
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> > Or. Point me to the proper list for this question. 
> > 
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Hi Ruslan,

I would like to upgrade from 2.2.8 to 3.2-STABLE. I found an article by
you at http://www.dvl-software.com/freebsd/upgrade31.htm, which describes
your experience when movingfrom 2.2.8 to 3.1. Are the same steps
applicable to an upgrade to 3.2, or does something more need to be done ?
Thanks for any advice.

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On Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 05:15:30PM -0400, I'Khala wrote:
> > >         -r-xr-xr-x   1 root     wheel     8736632 May 21 18:39 /kernel*

Could this be the result of profiling/debugging options of some kind?

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On Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 02:47:39PM +0530, Ritwik Bhattacharya wrote:
> Hi Ruslan,
> 
> I would like to upgrade from 2.2.8 to 3.2-STABLE. I found an article by
> you at http://www.dvl-software.com/freebsd/upgrade31.htm, which describes
> your experience when movingfrom 2.2.8 to 3.1. Are the same steps
> applicable to an upgrade to 3.2, or does something more need to be done ?
> Thanks for any advice.
> 
``aout-to-elf-build'' in multi user followed by ``aout-to-elf-install''
in single user should be fine.

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On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Mike Nowlin wrote:

> > > key to drop to the debugger?  Say have it so that if a keystroke of ~b (as
> > 
> > Would be most excellent if this could be done. A couple of boxen I
> > have here have serial consoles attached to other machines which
> > do a very good simulation of a break when the controlling process
> > leaves them. Dropping to DDB every time you reboot the other machine
> > is, uh, less than desirable behaviour. :-)
> 
> Agreed, but this may be quite a project...  doing a "cd ~bob" would be

the general idea is that this wouldn't only register as a 'break' when
issud over the serial console, nowhere else...I know, some ppl use the
serial console as a regular login, but my experience is that its painfully
slow and good "for maintenance only"

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>Can anyone point me towards some good documentation on how to burn a cd-rom
>with a HP 7200 cd-writer (ide) on 3.1 stable?
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Matt Stacker

Please post any information you may find, Matt/Richard. When I bought my
machine from a company that builds FreeBSD machines, they asked me if I
wanted a CD-RW. The one they were selling was an HP 8200i. I asked if it
worked w/ FreeBSD and was told that it did. Quite distressingly, it did
not. I have yet to burn a CD w/ this device under 2.2.8, 3.0.X, 3.1, or
3.2. 

Admittedly, I haven't had a ton of time to look at it, but all attempts
to find information and guidance on this topic have gone basically
unanswered. All docs/suggestions that I've found haven't worked. I
realize the ATAPI support has been a moving target. I expect that
support for the 7200/8200 will fallout eventually. I'd be curious to
know if anyone else has had success with these particular drives.

Jonathan Bresler recommended I ask about this on freebsd-hardware so I'm
CC'ing this there too.

I appreciate any info anyone may have.

Thanks.

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Thus spake Richard Kiss (richard@homemail.com):

> last time I was able to build a CD-ROM was in 2.2.8. It almost seems (this
> is very unscientific) that it never actually writes, but just goes into
> test mode. Blanking a CD-RW doesn't seem to work. Writing just plain don't
> work.
> Please let me know if you can get it to work. I've been very frustrated
> with this for quite some time.

Works perfectly for me on 4.0-CURRENT from yesterday. Thanks for the
info :)
It returns an input/output error when finishing writing, but the CD is
ok. I just copied a 2.2.7 CD with it for testing-purposes and it also boots from it.

Thnx

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> >Can anyone point me towards some good documentation on how to burn a cd-rom
> >with a HP 7200 cd-writer (ide) on 3.1 stable?


problems with the sertup or software.  have you tried xcdroast in Linux
mode.

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Dear People,

	I have burned several cd under freebsd using that burndata script. I have
an Mitsumi IDE 4x CDR.. it works great
under freebsd... you need to use acdXc instead of wcdXc to use your burner
for burning. like so:

make the image file to burn with mkisofs ... for this i'll call it image.img

% cd /usr/share/examples/atapi
% sh burndata acd1c image.img

it'll go thro and burn the cd. it works great. let me know if you can't get
it to work!

-- cya

At 08:55 AM 6/10/99 -0400, Brian Sletten wrote:
>>Can anyone point me towards some good documentation on how to burn a cd-rom
>>with a HP 7200 cd-writer (ide) on 3.1 stable?
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Matt Stacker
>
>Please post any information you may find, Matt/Richard. When I bought my
>machine from a company that builds FreeBSD machines, they asked me if I
>wanted a CD-RW. The one they were selling was an HP 8200i. I asked if it
>worked w/ FreeBSD and was told that it did. Quite distressingly, it did
>not. I have yet to burn a CD w/ this device under 2.2.8, 3.0.X, 3.1, or
>3.2. 
>
>Admittedly, I haven't had a ton of time to look at it, but all attempts
>to find information and guidance on this topic have gone basically
>unanswered. All docs/suggestions that I've found haven't worked. I
>realize the ATAPI support has been a moving target. I expect that
>support for the 7200/8200 will fallout eventually. I'd be curious to
>know if anyone else has had success with these particular drives.
>
>Jonathan Bresler recommended I ask about this on freebsd-hardware so I'm
>CC'ing this there too.
>
>I appreciate any info anyone may have.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Brian
>
>
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On 10-Jun-99 Alexander Langer wrote:
> Thus spake Richard Kiss (richard@homemail.com):
> 
>> last time I was able to build a CD-ROM was in 2.2.8. It almost seems (this
>> is very unscientific) that it never actually writes, but just goes into
>> test mode. Blanking a CD-RW doesn't seem to work. Writing just plain don't
>> work.
>> Please let me know if you can get it to work. I've been very frustrated
>> with this for quite some time.
> 
> Works perfectly for me on 4.0-CURRENT from yesterday. Thanks for the
> info :)
> It returns an input/output error when finishing writing, but the CD is
> ok. I just copied a 2.2.7 CD with it for testing-purposes and it also boots
> from it.
> 
> Thnx
> 
> Alex
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----------------------------------

Really an IDE-cdrom ?
He asked for a HP 7200 cd-writer (ide)

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I have no problem with 3.2-STABLE, but I have yet to get it to work under
4.0-CURRENT.  What device did you use?  I know that they moved /dev/acd0
back to /dev/wcd0 in CURRENT, but I can't get it to work.  Even after
./MAKEDEV wcd0.  My CD-Burner is /dev/acd0c under STABLE.  Under CURRENT
my PC locks up solid, although it does it slowly, the burn starts and then
it just locks.  You can "feel" it coming but there is nothing that can be
done about it.  That was current as of one week ago (approx). 

Tom Veldhouse
veldy@visi.com

On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Alexander Langer wrote:

> Thus spake Richard Kiss (richard@homemail.com):
> 
> > last time I was able to build a CD-ROM was in 2.2.8. It almost seems (this
> > is very unscientific) that it never actually writes, but just goes into
> > test mode. Blanking a CD-RW doesn't seem to work. Writing just plain don't
> > work.
> > Please let me know if you can get it to work. I've been very frustrated
> > with this for quite some time.
> 
> Works perfectly for me on 4.0-CURRENT from yesterday. Thanks for the
> info :)
> It returns an input/output error when finishing writing, but the CD is
> ok. I just copied a 2.2.7 CD with it for testing-purposes and it also boots from it.
> 
> Thnx
> 
> Alex
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Es sprach Werner Griessl (werner@btp1da.phy.uni-bayreuth.de):

> Really an IDE-cdrom ?
> He asked for a HP 7200 cd-writer (ide)

Yes, a Mitsumi IDE writer.
wdc0: unit 1 (atapi): <CR-4801TE/2.03>, removable, intr, dma, iordis
wcd0: drive speed 1377KB/sec, 2048KB cache
wcd0: supported read types: CD-R, CD-RW, CD-DA
wcd0: supported write types: CD-R, test write
wcd0: Audio: play, 2 volume levels
wcd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray
wcd0: Medium: CD-R 120mm data disc loaded, unlocked

Alex


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Thus spake Jason L. Schwab (jschwab@royal.net):

> under freebsd... you need to use acdXc instead of wcdXc to use your burner
> for burning. like so:

No, you don't have to.

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right.  But acdx and racdx have been removed from CURRENT. They went back to
wcdx and rwcdx.  That is what I tried to use and it failed.  acdx does not
exist in CURRENT, unless you built the world from a 3.x system and never
updated your dev directory.  Perhaps there is a bug in the way the wcd
device is created in CURRENT.

Tom Veldhouse
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jason L. Schwab <jschwab@royal.net>
To: Thomas Veldhouse <veldy@visi.com>
Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: burning a cd


>Thomas,
>
> in the burndata script, it puts an 'r' in front of what ever you tell it
>on the command like ... so I was indeed using
>/dev/racd1c works fine under 3.2-stable and 4.0-current for me.
>
>At 09:48 AM 6/10/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>I have no problem with 3.2-STABLE, but I have yet to get it to work under
>>4.0-CURRENT.  What device did you use?  I know that they moved /dev/acd0
>>back to /dev/wcd0 in CURRENT, but I can't get it to work.  Even after
>>./MAKEDEV wcd0.  My CD-Burner is /dev/acd0c under STABLE.  Under CURRENT
>>my PC locks up solid, although it does it slowly, the burn starts and then
>>it just locks.  You can "feel" it coming but there is nothing that can be
>>done about it.  That was current as of one week ago (approx).
>>
>>Tom Veldhouse
>>veldy@visi.com
>>
>>On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Alexander Langer wrote:
>>
>>> Thus spake Richard Kiss (richard@homemail.com):
>>>
>>> > last time I was able to build a CD-ROM was in 2.2.8. It almost seems
>(this
>>> > is very unscientific) that it never actually writes, but just goes
into
>>> > test mode. Blanking a CD-RW doesn't seem to work. Writing just plain
>don't
>>> > work.
>>> > Please let me know if you can get it to work. I've been very
frustrated
>>> > with this for quite some time.
>>>
>>> Works perfectly for me on 4.0-CURRENT from yesterday. Thanks for the
>>> info :)
>>> It returns an input/output error when finishing writing, but the CD is
>>> ok. I just copied a 2.2.7 CD with it for testing-purposes and it also
>boots from it.
>>>
>>> Thnx
>>>
>>> Alex
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Thomas Veldhouse wrote:
> 
> I have no problem with 3.2-STABLE, but I have yet to get it to work under

What software do you use with 3.2-S : cdrecord from the ports or
wormcontrol via the burndata script ?

	TfH

> 4.0-CURRENT.  What device did you use?  I know that they moved /dev/acd0
> back to /dev/wcd0 in CURRENT, but I can't get it to work.  Even after
> ./MAKEDEV wcd0.  My CD-Burner is /dev/acd0c under STABLE.  Under CURRENT
> my PC locks up solid, although it does it slowly, the burn starts and then
> it just locks.  You can "feel" it coming but there is nothing that can be
> done about it.  That was current as of one week ago (approx).
> 
> Tom Veldhouse
> veldy@visi.com

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	I am trying to run a set of programs writeen for Sco OpenServer, that
	make use of the old Xenix IPCS calls, such as sdget(). Is there a
	reason these have not been implemented in the iBCS emulation?

	Looks like thay should be a fairly strightfoward map inot the SYSV IPC
	calls, or am I missing something here?

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Actually I use the "burncd" script in /usr/share/examples/worm.

It uses team and wormcontrol.  Probably the same script.  cdrecord will not
work under FreeBSD against an ATAPI burner unless somebody develops Linux
style SCSI [over ATAPI] emulation.

Tom Veldhouse
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>Thomas Veldhouse wrote:
>>
>> I have no problem with 3.2-STABLE, but I have yet to get it to work under
>
>What software do you use with 3.2-S : cdrecord from the ports or
>wormcontrol via the burndata script ?
>
> TfH
>
>> 4.0-CURRENT.  What device did you use?  I know that they moved /dev/acd0
>> back to /dev/wcd0 in CURRENT, but I can't get it to work.  Even after
>> ./MAKEDEV wcd0.  My CD-Burner is /dev/acd0c under STABLE.  Under CURRENT
>> my PC locks up solid, although it does it slowly, the burn starts and
then
>> it just locks.  You can "feel" it coming but there is nothing that can be
>> done about it.  That was current as of one week ago (approx).
>>
>> Tom Veldhouse
>> veldy@visi.com
>
>[SNIP]
>
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As I recall, Stan Brown wrote:
> 	I am trying to run a set of programs writeen for Sco OpenServer, that
> 	make use of the old Xenix IPCS calls, such as sdget(). Is there a
> 	reason these have not been implemented in the iBCS emulation?
> 
> 	Looks like thay should be a fairly strightfoward map inot the SYSV IPC
> 	calls, or am I missing something here?
> 
There was a posting a while back by a guy who was working on a
SysVr4 emulation.  He said he could run some of the Solaris x86
binaries.

Perhaps that would be closer to what you want.

	-crl
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"Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote:
> 
> Actually I use the "burncd" script in /usr/share/examples/worm.
> 
> It uses team and wormcontrol.  Probably the same script.  cdrecord will not
> work under FreeBSD against an ATAPI burner unless somebody develops Linux
> style SCSI [over ATAPI] emulation.

I had a look at it on a 3.1-SNAP machine and I was puzzled by this
instruction :
scsi -f /dev/rworm0.ctl -c "0 0 0 0 0 0" >/dev/null 2>&1

This line is certainly out on a more recent release.

	TfH

> 
> Tom Veldhouse
> veldy@visi.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thierry Herbelot <Thierry.Herbelot@alcatel.fr>
> To: Thomas Veldhouse <veldy@visi.com>
> Cc: Alexander Langer <alex@cichlids.com>; freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
> <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 10:22 AM
> Subject: Re: burning a cd
> 
> >Thomas Veldhouse wrote:
> >>
> >> I have no problem with 3.2-STABLE, but I have yet to get it to work under
> >
> >What software do you use with 3.2-S : cdrecord from the ports or
> >wormcontrol via the burndata script ?
> >
> > TfH
> >
> >> 4.0-CURRENT.  What device did you use?  I know that they moved /dev/acd0
> >> back to /dev/wcd0 in CURRENT, but I can't get it to work.  Even after
> >> ./MAKEDEV wcd0.  My CD-Burner is /dev/acd0c under STABLE.  Under CURRENT
> >> my PC locks up solid, although it does it slowly, the burn starts and
> then
> >> it just locks.  You can "feel" it coming but there is nothing that can be
> >> done about it.  That was current as of one week ago (approx).
> >>
> >> Tom Veldhouse
> >> veldy@visi.com
> >
> >[SNIP]
> >
> >--
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> >Phone : (+33) 1 46 52 47 23
> >Home Page : http://perso.cybercable.fr/herbelot
> >

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As I was going through freebsdmall and cdrom.com today I was unable to
find info about the dvd release of FreeBSD..was that idea abandoned. I was
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hello all,

After finally getting my modem to work on my 3.1-R box (stupid mgetty
running on the same device ... makes life unhappy for Mr. Modem), I CVSup'ed
to 3.2-STABLE and built world (but didn't install). For grins, I downloaded
the latest STABLE SNAP kern and mfsroot floppies and tried to boot my
machine with them (I've got the onboard Adaptec 7890 and wanted to make sure
it was going to be detected, etc. before installing the world and a new
kernel).

Everything went fine but just as with 3.1-RELEASE, since I didn't have any
media in my cdrom or cdrw drives, the driver didn't attach() and thus when
I went to Custom->Media from within sysinstall and tried to choose "CD-ROM"
it complained that there were no devices available. This behavior is repeatable
with 3.1-RELEASE and the remedy is to insert the CD-ROM into your drive
before the bus is probed--then there is media and the driver attaches, life
is good.

I thought I saw something go by on one of these lists that one of the CAM
updates for 3.2 was the the CD-ROM driver will attach() regardless of the
presence of media. Is this true? Or is that "new" (better) behavior only
for -current, or what?

-Jr

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> Would be most excellent if this could be done. A couple of boxen I
> have here have serial consoles attached to other machines which
> do a very good simulation of a break when the controlling process
> leaves them. Dropping to DDB every time you reboot the other machine
> is, uh, less than desirable behaviour. :-)

I had the same problem.  Changing the sio code to require three breaks
inside a 10 seconds interval before dropping into the debugger reduced
the problem for me.

- Tor Egge


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Index: sys/i386/conf/options.i386
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/conf/options.i386,v
retrieving revision 1.116
diff -u -r1.116 options.i386
--- options.i386	1999/06/06 22:45:04	1.116
+++ options.i386	1999/06/08 00:27:17
@@ -24,6 +24,7 @@
 AUTO_EOI_1		opt_auto_eoi.h
 AUTO_EOI_2		opt_auto_eoi.h
 BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER	opt_comconsole.h
+TRIPLE_BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER opt_comconsole.h
 CONSPEED		opt_comconsole.h
 I586_PMC_GUPROF		opt_i586_guprof.h
 WLCACHE			opt_wavelan.h
Index: sys/isa/sio.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/isa/sio.c,v
retrieving revision 1.246
diff -u -r1.246 sio.c
--- sio.c	1999/05/31 06:57:31	1.246
+++ sio.c	1999/06/08 00:27:38
@@ -427,6 +427,16 @@
 	{ -1,		-1 }
 };
 
+#define DDB_BREAK_MASK (IER_ERXRDY | IER_ETXRDY | IER_ERLS | IER_EMSC)
+
+#ifdef TRIPLE_BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER
+#ifndef TRIPLE_BREAK_TIMEOUT
+#define TRIPLE_BREAK_TIMEOUT 10
+#endif
+int triple_break_count;	/* number of breaks detected */
+int triple_break_time;	/* time_second sampled at first break */
+#endif
+
 #ifdef COM_ESP
 /* XXX configure this properly. */
 static	Port_t	likely_com_ports[] = { 0x3f8, 0x2f8, 0x3e8, 0x2e8, };
@@ -998,6 +1008,9 @@
 		com->lt_out.c_ispeed = com->lt_out.c_ospeed =
 		com->lt_in.c_ispeed = com->lt_in.c_ospeed =
 		com->it_in.c_ispeed = com->it_in.c_ospeed = comdefaultrate;
+#if defined(DDB) && defined(BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER) && defined(DDB_BREAK_MASK)
+		outb(iobase + com_ier, DDB_BREAK_MASK);
+#endif
 	} else
 		com->it_in.c_ispeed = com->it_in.c_ospeed = TTYDEF_SPEED;
 	if (siosetwater(com, com->it_in.c_ispeed) != 0) {
@@ -1404,7 +1417,12 @@
 	com->pps.ppsparam.mode = 0;
 	outb(iobase + com_cfcr, com->cfcr_image &= ~CFCR_SBREAK);
 	{
-		outb(iobase + com_ier, 0);
+#if defined(DDB) && defined(BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER) && defined(DDB_BREAK_MASK)
+		if (com->unit == comconsole)
+			outb(iobase + com_ier, DDB_BREAK_MASK);
+		else
+#endif
+			outb(iobase + com_ier, 0);
 		tp = com->tp;
 		if (tp->t_cflag & HUPCL
 		    /*
@@ -1704,7 +1722,23 @@
 				if (line_status & LSR_BI) {
 #if defined(DDB) && defined(BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER)
 					if (com->unit == comconsole) {
+#ifdef TRIPLE_BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER
+						if (time_second > 
+						    triple_break_time + 
+						    TRIPLE_BREAK_TIMEOUT)
+							triple_break_count = 0;
+						triple_break_count++;
+						if (triple_break_count == 1)
+							triple_break_time = 
+								time_second;
+						else if (triple_break_count 
+							 == 3) {
+							triple_break_count = 0;
+							breakpoint();
+						}
+#else
 						breakpoint();
+#endif
 						goto cont;
 					}
 #endif

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From owner-freebsd-stable  Thu Jun 10 10: 5:28 1999
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Hello!  I'm trying  to debug  a  problem with  one of  the latest  ports
(devel/t1lib). The port's maintainer, Ying-Chieh Liao, can not reproduce
it. The port does  not do any patching, so a number  of people used this
exact configure  script with no  troubles. I'm hoping a  larger audience
can help me understand what's going on.

The configure  script gets  stuck, because one  of the  tests ("checking
whether external  symbols need  an underscore prefix")  starts expecting
input from stdin, it seems. I first  thought, it is related to my choice
of CFLAGS,  but it behaves  the same  way even if  I do not  touch them.

Could  I  be  running  "just  the right"  version  of  stable?  (FreeBSD
3.2-STABLE Tue  Jun 8 12:46:07 EDT  1999 i386)... I first  observed this
during the simple  ``make install'' of the port, but  the line that make
ends up executing:

	env CC="cc" CXX="c++"  CFLAGS="-O -pipe" CXXFLAGS="-O -pipe" \
		INSTALL="/usr/bin/install -c -o root -g wheel" \
		INSTALL_DATA="install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444" \
		INSTALL_PROGRAM="install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m \
		555" INSTALL_SCRIPT="install -c -o root -g wheel -m \
		555" PORTOBJFORMAT=elf ./configure --prefix=/usr/local \
		i386--freebsd3.2

hangs by itself.

Putting ``set -x'' in the middle of the configure script shows:

checking for gcc strength-reduce bug... no
checking whether external symbols need an underscore prefix... + echo ${ac_cv_c_extern_prefix+set}
+ eval test "${ac_cv_c_extern_prefix+set}" = set
+ test  = set
+ saved_libs=
+ LIBS=conftest_asm.s 
+ cat
+ cat
+ eval echo configure:2794: "${CC-cc} -o conftest $CFLAGS $CPPFLAGS $LDFLAGS conftest.$ac_ext $LIBS 1>&5"
+ echo configure:2794: cc -o conftest -O -pipe   conftest.c conftest_asm.s  1>&5
[... HANG ...]

The list of processes in the terminal then appears as (some fields removed):

  PID  PPID WCHAN STAT TIME COMMAND
  359   353 pause Is  0:00.71 -csh (tcsh)
22327   359 wait  I+  0:00.27 /bin/sh ./configure --prefix=/usr/local i386--freebsd3.2
23174 22327 wait  I+  0:00.00 /bin/sh ./configure --prefix=/usr/local i386--freebsd3.2
23175 23174 wait  I+  0:00.01 cc -o conftest -O -pipe conftest.c conftest_asm.s
23179 23175 ttyin I+  0:00.01 /usr/libexec/elf/as -o /var/tmp/ccy231752.o conftest_asm.s -

Note, the ``ttyin'' state of the `as'... Any clues? Thanks!

	-mi


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Thus spake Thomas Veldhouse (veldy@visi.com):

> I have no problem with 3.2-STABLE, but I have yet to get it to work under
> 4.0-CURRENT.  What device did you use?  I know that they moved /dev/acd0
> back to /dev/wcd0 in CURRENT, but I can't get it to work.  Even after
> ./MAKEDEV wcd0.  My CD-Burner is /dev/acd0c under STABLE.  Under CURRENT
> my PC locks up solid, although it does it slowly, the burn starts and then
> it just locks.  You can "feel" it coming but there is nothing that can be
> done about it.  That was current as of one week ago (approx). 

I used wcd0c and wcd0a, both worked. But I think wcd0c would be
better.
You could also do a ln -s /dev/wcd0a /dev/rworm0
I saw this on the webpage one in this thread mentioned. But this did
not make any improvements for me and it already worked before.

It also writes a 4x-speed, I believe, what is what the writer can do.

HTH

Alex


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Actually all the motif-dependent packages I've looked for seem to have
disppeared from the web site and I can't find them on the 3.1 cd.
I don't have motif so I need the statically linked packages.
What's up?

Thanks for any help!
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Thus spake Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@visi.com):

> It uses team and wormcontrol.  Probably the same script.  cdrecord will not
> work under FreeBSD against an ATAPI burner unless somebody develops Linux
> style SCSI [over ATAPI] emulation.

I´ve thought of doing that by taking a look at the Linux drivers.

Would this be much work?

But now I´ve left motivation to do so, I guess, because burndata works
great.

Alex


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On Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 12:40:33PM -0500, Rich Winkel wrote:

> Actually all the motif-dependent packages I've looked for seem to have
> disppeared from the web site and I can't find them on the 3.1 cd.
> I don't have motif so I need the statically linked packages.
> What's up?

I'm afraid I can't tell you where the packages went.  However, I
think you should consider trying Lesstif, the free Motif implementation.
It's in ports as x11-toolkits/lesstif.  If you build it, you should
then set HAVE_MOTIF to YES in /etc/make.conf.

It used to be that Lesstif sucked.  But I've been building xmcd and
some other Motif applications with it for a while now, with good
results.  I don't know about nedit specifically, though; I don't use
it.

Matt

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John Reynolds~ wrote...
> 
> hello all,
> 
> After finally getting my modem to work on my 3.1-R box (stupid mgetty
> running on the same device ... makes life unhappy for Mr. Modem), I CVSup'ed
> to 3.2-STABLE and built world (but didn't install). For grins, I downloaded
> the latest STABLE SNAP kern and mfsroot floppies and tried to boot my
> machine with them (I've got the onboard Adaptec 7890 and wanted to make sure
> it was going to be detected, etc. before installing the world and a new
> kernel).
> 
> Everything went fine but just as with 3.1-RELEASE, since I didn't have any
> media in my cdrom or cdrw drives, the driver didn't attach() and thus when
> I went to Custom->Media from within sysinstall and tried to choose "CD-ROM"
> it complained that there were no devices available. This behavior is repeatable
> with 3.1-RELEASE and the remedy is to insert the CD-ROM into your drive
> before the bus is probed--then there is media and the driver attaches, life
> is good.
> 
> I thought I saw something go by on one of these lists that one of the CAM
> updates for 3.2 was the the CD-ROM driver will attach() regardless of the
> presence of media. Is this true? Or is that "new" (better) behavior only
> for -current, or what?

Yes, it's true, the SCSI CD driver will attach to any device that claims to
be a CDROM drive. (in -current and in -stable)  It has always attached,
whether media was present or not, but there are some CDROM drives that
respond with very strange errors when they don't have any media present.
So the driver would fail to attach in some cases.  Now, it will only fail
to attach if the device responds with a "logical unit not supported" error.

Your problem is most likely with sysinstall.  I've seen other folks
complain about having trouble with CD installs, and I think the bottom line
was that there was (is?) a problem with sysinstall.

If you want more details, you'll have to search the list archives, since my
memory is pretty spotty on this.

If I had to guess, I'd say there may be some sort of problem with the way
sysinstall determines whether a CDROM device is available or not.  I don't
know how it looks for devices, so I can't really speculate on what the
problem might be.

Ken
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Thu Jun 10 14:24:55 1999
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Some days ago, scrappy@hub.org (The Hermit Hacker) wrote:

 > Starting earlier this week, my server has been hanging, except that I'm
 > able to ping it still.  The only way out is to cold-boot...
 > Now, the only thing that has changed prior to it being "un-stable" is
 > I've upgraded my INN to a more -current version, from the ISC cvs
 > repository,

I actually have the same problem.  FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE running on a PII-400
with 128 MB RAM, the June 6 snapshot of INN 2.3, no overchan etc.  The
machine doesn't crash that hard since there are no readers and only a very
small (real) feed.  The machine responds normally, it only leaves the innd
process in `D' state.  When I try to reboot the system (for the process is
both dead and unkillable) the machine doesn't get any further than
"Syncing disks... done" (should be followed by "Rebooting" and a reboot).

I forced a panic and have a crash dump with full debugging symbols.  The
innd process's WCHAN entry is `vmpfw' - no clue what _that_ is... If
anybody wants more information I'll be more than happy to provide it if I
am able to do so.

Thanks,


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On Wed, Jun 9, 1999, davey@aps-services.com wrote:
> Is there a way to extract the source off the CD? 
> Forgive me for my ignorance, 

   The source trees are in /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install.

   If you cannot find it, you can get them off the CD by doing
the following command:

cd /tmp
cat /cdrom/src/susbin* | gzip -dc - | tar xvf - usr.sbin/pkg_install

   The source code will be in /tmp/usr.sbin/pkg_install/

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> Works perfectly for me on 4.0-CURRENT from yesterday. Thanks for the
> info :)
> It returns an input/output error when finishing writing, but the CD is
> ok. I just copied a 2.2.7 CD with it for testing-purposes and it also boots from it.

Good news. Hey can you post the exact command string your using?
I've been using 'cdrecord' to burn CDs and then the ability stopped
a few revisions back. I'm using 'cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=1,5,0 filename.img'.
Seems to work fine, gives an error at the end but the CDs are quite
unreadale. *sigh*

						-Steve


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From owner-freebsd-stable  Thu Jun 10 15:14:57 1999
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Ever since the "tcpwrapper enabled" tasks came into use in stable, I can't 
get amd to work.  If I do something like
    cd /host/orion/u3
I am hung forever: no response at all to the keyboard.  Ps shows an amd
process stuck in D state.

If I reboot and remove /etc/hosts.allow, and then do the cd command, it
works fine.

So what am I DENYing in /etc/hosts.allow that I need to ALLOW?  Any hints in
tracking this down?

I'm running 3.2-STABLE cvsuped today.

Here is my /etc/hosts.allow:

#
# hosts.allow access control file for "tcp wrapped" apps.
# $Id: hosts.allow,v 1.2.2.2 1999/05/11 01:35:01 obrien Exp $
#
# NOTE: The hosts.deny file is not longer used.  Instead, put both 'allow'
#       and 'deny' rules in the hosts.allow file.
# see hosts_options(5) for the format of this file.
# hosts_access(5) no longer fully applies.

# This is an example! You will need to modify it for your specific
# requirements!

# Start by allowing everything (this prevents the rest of the file
# from working, so remove it when you need protection).
# The rules here work on a "First match wins" basis.
# ALL : ALL : allow

# Wrapping sshd(8) is not normally a good idea, but if you
# need to do it, here's how
#sshd : .evil.cracker.example.com : deny 

# Prevent those with no reverse DNS from connecting.
#ALL : PARANOID : RFC931 20 : deny

# Allow anything from localhost and local networks
ALL: 127.0. : allow
ALL: 140.252. : allow
ALL : localhost : allow
ALL : noao.edu : allow
ALL : .noao.edu : allow

# Sendmail can help protect you against spammers and relay-rapers
#sendmail : localhost : allow
#sendmail : .nice.guy.example.com : allow
#sendmail : .evil.cracker.example.com : deny
sendmail : ALL : allow

# Portmapper is used for all RPC services; protect your NFS!
#portmap : localhost : allow
#portmap : .noao.edu : allow
#portmap : .evil.cracker.example.com : deny
portmap : ALL : allow

# Provide a small amount of protection for ftpd
#ftpd : localhost : allow
#ftpd : .nice.guy.example.com : allow
#ftpd : .evil.cracker.example.com : deny
ftpd : ALL : allow

# Block everything else
ALL : ALL : deny

# You need to be clever with finger; do _not_ backfinger!! You can easily
# start a "finger war".
#fingerd : ALL \
#       : spawn (echo Finger. | \
#        /usr/bin/mail -s "tcpd\: %u@%h[%a] fingered me!" root) & \
#       : deny

# The rest of the daemons are protected. Backfinger and log by email.
#ALL : ALL \
#       : severity auth.info : spawn (/usr/bin/finger -l @%h | \
#        /usr/bin/mail -s "tcpd\: %u@%h[%a] tried to use %d  (denied)" root) &
#        \
#       : twist /bin/echo "You are not welcome to use %d from %h."


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From owner-freebsd-stable  Thu Jun 10 15:30:16 1999
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I've got a question that is somewhat related to this.. How does one go about
making an image of a cd?

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> Works perfectly for me on 4.0-CURRENT from yesterday. Thanks for the
> info :)
> It returns an input/output error when finishing writing, but the CD is
> ok. I just copied a 2.2.7 CD with it for testing-purposes and it also
boots from it.

Good news. Hey can you post the exact command string your using?
I've been using 'cdrecord' to burn CDs and then the ability stopped
a few revisions back. I'm using 'cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=1,5,0
filename.img'.
Seems to work fine, gives an error at the end but the CDs are quite
unreadale. *sigh*

						-Steve


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From owner-freebsd-stable  Thu Jun 10 17: 2:53 1999
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On Friday,  4 June 1999 at 21:58:07 +0100, Kiril Mitev wrote:
>> In message <199906041920.UAA17798@ideaglobal.com>, Kiril Mitevv writes:
>>> (Sorry if this is more appropriate for -questions...)
>>>
>>>
>>> after my last reboot, which was NOT a panic or anything like that
>>> my vinum volume sort of disappeared...
>>>
>>> vinum itself is still happy, and a listing shows all my
>>> bits & pieces, up to the volume level as OK.
>>>
>>> however, mount/fsck attempts come up with
>>> errors like this:
>>>
>>> # fsck /dev/vinum/rmassive
>>> ** /dev/vinum/rmassive
>>> BAD SUPER BLOCK: MAGIC NUMBER WRONG
>>> /dev/vinum/rmassive: NOT LABELED AS A BSD FILE SYSTEM (unused)
>>>
>>> _I_ havent touched anything, so it seems like something really
>>> bad has happened.
>>>
>>> Can anyone suggest a way/hack to recover the damn disk? Its
>>> a desperete situation :-(), so even desperate suggestion
>>> will be appreciated. (i.e., is it possible to hack a 'label'
>>> or an 'id' or something back into the disk.
>>>
>>> when a dd from the raw device, i do see something that looks
>>> like the root directory of the disk, so its not
>>> as if everything was lost
>>
>> Try fsck -b 32 <filesystem>.
>>
>> If that fails, try fsck -b <another number> <filesystem>.  To get
>> the other block numbers for alternate superblocks, use newfs -N,
>> which will go through all of the motions of creating a filesystem,
>> e.g. print the superblock numbers, without actually creating a
>> filesystem.  If this fails, you're pretty much hosed.
>
> That looks like it might actually fix it, unless there
> more corruption somewhere

This sounds funny.  If you have any evidence that it was caused by
Vinum, I'd be very interested to see it.  But I suspect that the cause
is elsewhere, and Vinum has little to do with it.

Greg
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On Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 03:30:11PM -0700, Scott Benjamin wrote:

another related question .. what sort of hardware do you guys 
use, i'd like to be able to get a scsi burner but don't know 
where to start-look for a scsi cd writer.

if it mkes any difference, i'm currently at 2.2.8-release and 
will be installing 3.2-release as soon as teh walnut creek cd's 
get here and then moving on to 3.2-stable 

> I've got a question that is somewhat related to this.. How does one go about
> making an image of a cd?

> > Works perfectly for me on 4.0-CURRENT from yesterday. Thanks for the
> > info :)
> > It returns an input/output error when finishing writing, but the CD is
> > ok. I just copied a 2.2.7 CD with it for testing-purposes and it also
> boots from it.
> 
> Good news. Hey can you post the exact command string your using?
> I've been using 'cdrecord' to burn CDs and then the ability stopped
> a few revisions back. I'm using 'cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=1,5,0
> filename.img'.
> Seems to work fine, gives an error at the end but the CDs are quite
> unreadale. *sigh*

thanks in advance,

regards

jonathan

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On 10-Jun-99 The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Mike Nowlin wrote:
> 
>> > > key to drop to the debugger?  Say have it so that if a keystroke of ~b
>> > > (as
>> > 
>> > Would be most excellent if this could be done. A couple of boxen I
>> > have here have serial consoles attached to other machines which
>> > do a very good simulation of a break when the controlling process
>> > leaves them. Dropping to DDB every time you reboot the other machine
>> > is, uh, less than desirable behaviour. :-)
>> 
>> Agreed, but this may be quite a project...  doing a "cd ~bob" would be
> 
> the general idea is that this wouldn't only register as a 'break' when
> issud over the serial console, nowhere else...I know, some ppl use the
> serial console as a regular login, but my experience is that its painfully
> slow and good "for maintenance only"
> 

Agree also, my DG/UX (a SysV) sees a series of about twenty open-bracket,
close-bracket "[]" on the console as a signal to jump into ROM.
 
I've only had to use it once; the box was so far in the weeds that I couldn't
get a login.

<boggle>
Are you guys serious about dropping the box by powering off the console ?
</boggle>

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It looks like a bug in the cc driver in the handling of -pipe and .s 
files on the command line:
	hellcat$ touch t1.s
	hellcat$ cc -v -pipe -c t1.s
	gcc version 2.7.2.1
	 /usr/libexec/elf/as -v -o t1.o t1.s -
	GNU assembler version 2.9.1 (i386-unknown-freebsdelf), using BFD version 2.9.1

This hangs until I type ^D.  Note the extra "-" arg to the assembler.

I assume this will fail on all 3.x releases.  I also assume this doesn't fail
on 4.x which uses a newer gcc version (if my experiments with the egcs port on
3.x are to be believed).  This indicates another workaround might be to use
egcs rather than the system compiler for this port.

I've send-pr's this.




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On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Don Read wrote:

> <boggle>
> Are you guys serious about dropping the box by powering off the console ?
> </boggle>
> 

Suns do this.  They sense the terminal power off as a break.  One
previous ork place had a bunch of rack mounted suns, sharing a
serial console via a switch box.  There was a problem that sometimes
switching from one machine to another would cause a break.  Someone
wired it slightly different, and included a push button on the
switch box to send a break.

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For now, it's abandoned.  No replicator we currently know of is capable
of mastering a DVD with rockridge long filenames.

> As I was going through freebsdmall and cdrom.com today I was unable to
> find info about the dvd release of FreeBSD..was that idea abandoned. I was
> interested in getting a copy of 3.3 on dvd when it comes out. 
> 
> Adam Marks
> 
> 
> 
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> Your problem is most likely with sysinstall.  I've seen other folks
> complain about having trouble with CD installs, and I think the bottom line
> was that there was (is?) a problem with sysinstall.

I doubt it - all sysinstall tries to do is mount the CDROM in the
usual way; it doesn't do anything special.

- Jordan


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A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away (actually, it was on 10-Jun-99),
the great prophet Richard Kiss once wrote:
>>Can anyone point me towards some good documentation on how to burn a
>>cd-rom
>>with a HP 7200 cd-writer (ide) on 3.1 stable?
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Matt Stacker
> 
> Check my web site at <http://www.ogopogo.net/richard/freebsd/> for info
> on
> FreeBSD 2.2.7. The information is a bit out of date and doesn't work
> completely in 3.x anymore, but there are still some useful details and
> links there.
> 
> There are a couple scripts that might help you; try
> /usr/share/examples/atapi/burndata or
> /usr/share/examples/atapi/burnaudio.
> For example,
> 
> sh /usr/share/examples/atapi/burndata wcd0a
> cd-image-file-created-with-mkisofs
> 
> The problem is, it doesn't work for me. Like you, I have an HP-7200i.
> The
> last time I was able to build a CD-ROM was in 2.2.8. It almost seems
> (this
> is very unscientific) that it never actually writes, but just goes into
> test mode. Blanking a CD-RW doesn't seem to work. Writing just plain
> don't
> work.

I can successfully burn both audio and data CD-R's, and CD-RW's, under
FreeBSD using an HP 8200i (the 7200i's "big brother").  I have also heard
success stories from people who use 7200i's, so I know it works.

First, you really should be running 3.2-RELEASE or later.  The ac driver
under 3.x and 2.2.8 had bugs that would cause the cd-writer to not burn
properly.

Now, you need to be using the "acd" driver, *NOT* the "wcd" driver.  The
"wcd" driver is deprecated and should no longer be used.  So the relevant
kernel config lines should read: (alter as appropriate for your setup)

controller      wdc0    at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 flags 0xa0ffa0ff
                                        # primary IDE controller
options         ATAPI                   # Enable ATAPI support for IDE bus
options         ATAPI_STATIC            # Do it without LKM
device          acd0                    # IDE CD-ROM

Now, the drive should be Master.  I had problems when it was set to Slave.

Reboot and make sure the /dev/acd0* and /dev/racd0* devices exist, if not
use MAKEDEV to create them.

Also make sure the device probes properly.  You should see lines similar
to this upon bootup:

wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0xa0ffa0ff on isa
wdc0: unit 0 (atapi): <Hewlett-Packard CD-Writer Plus 8200/1.0f>,
removable, acc
el, dma, iordis
acd0: drive speed 4134KB/sec, 2048KB cache
acd0: supported read types: CD-R, CD-RW, CD-DA, packet track
acd0: supported write types: CD-R, CD-RW, test write
acd0: Audio: play, 256 volume levels
acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray
acd0: Medium: no/blank disc inside, unlocked

pay close atention especially to the "supported write types" line - if it
doesn't exist, then for some reason the system isn't recognizing it as a
CD writer.

Use the scripts in /usr/share/examples/atapi as a guide.  When burning a
disk you MUST use the "racdXc" device (ex. /dev/racd0c) , so for example,
use "burndata acd0c <iso-image-file>"

Hope this helps out -- if not, please feel free to e-mail me and I'll do my
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Thus spake Rezamys (rezath@tm.net.my):

> Should I do an 3.2 upgrade first or just select 3.2 stable (ftp'ying from releng3.freebsd.org) instead?
> Is this the correct way? Am confused here...

I prefer the updates by make worlds.

But I had to update to 2.2.8 first, before I could do the make
aout-to-elf successfully.

You also should first do a aout-to-elf-build.

Updating by FTP didn't really work for me. the update worked better.

> Also I wonder where does the new kernel "src" reside? Does it parked at /usr/bin?  How does one "sysinstall" it?

The new kernel src?
In /usr/src/sys of course, as before.

Or do you mean how to get the sources for upgrading to 3.2?
You have to use cvsup, as described in detail in the handbook.

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Thus spake Steve Ames (steve@cioe.com):

> > It returns an input/output error when finishing writing, but the CD is
> > ok. I just copied a 2.2.7 CD with it for testing-purposes and it also boots from it.
> Good news. Hey can you post the exact command string your using?

dd if=/dev/wcd0c of=cd-imagefile
sh /usr/share/examples/atapi/burndata wcd0c cd-imagefile

That's it. (remember: I'm using -CURRENT, you will have to use acd0c
on -STABLE, I guess)

> I've been using 'cdrecord' to burn CDs and then the ability stopped
> a few revisions back. I'm using 'cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=1,5,0 filename.img'.
> Seems to work fine, gives an error at the end but the CDs are quite
> unreadale. *sigh*

Do you have an ATAPI writer?
Strange - I couldn't get it working with cdrecord.

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 * From: Rich Winkel <rich@chumbly.math.missouri.edu>

 * Actually all the motif-dependent packages I've looked for seem to have
 * disppeared from the web site and I can't find them on the 3.1 cd.
 * I don't have motif so I need the statically linked packages.
 * What's up?

I don't remember if it was actually on the 3.1 CD but the nedit
package is in packages-3.1-release and packages-3.2-release on the ftp
site as far as I can tell.  It was not on packages-3.2-stable as the
last build failed in the Motif section, but I believe I corrected it
so they should show up again early next week when I upload the new set
of packages.

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There was enough msgs in questions&stable about
3.2 kernel's clock latancy on some platforms. At least
I had 2 listed in subj with same bug.
1st:
Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
Timecounter "TSC"  frequency 90039950 Hz
chip0: <VIA 82C585 (Apollo VP1/VPX) system controller> rev 0x23 on
pci0.0.0
chip1: <VIA 82C586 PCI-ISA bridge> rev 0x27 on pci0.7.0
ide_pci0: <VIA 82C586x (Apollo) Bus-master IDE controller> rev 0x06 on
pci0.7.1

2nd:
chip0 <Intel 82437VX PCI cache memory controller> rev 2 on pci0:0:0
chip1 <Intel 82371SB PCI-ISA bridge> rev 1 on pci0:7:0
chip2 <Intel 82371SB IDE interface> rev 0 on pci0:7:1
I cannot show timecounters in 2nd case cos I installed 2.2.8 on it (it
is critical
for this PC to tick correctly).
Is there any solution?

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OK :-) I'll try to give the "big picture", see below for details...

> 
> On Friday,  4 June 1999 at 21:58:07 +0100, Kiril Mitev wrote:
> >> In message <199906041920.UAA17798@ideaglobal.com>, Kiril Mitevv writes:
> >>> (Sorry if this is more appropriate for -questions...)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> after my last reboot, which was NOT a panic or anything like that
> >>> my vinum volume sort of disappeared...
> >>>
> >>> vinum itself is still happy, and a listing shows all my
> >>> bits & pieces, up to the volume level as OK.
> >>>
> >> If that fails, try fsck -b <another number> <filesystem>.  To get
> >> the other block numbers for alternate superblocks, use newfs -N,
> >> which will go through all of the motions of creating a filesystem,
> >> e.g. print the superblock numbers, without actually creating a
> >> filesystem.  If this fails, you're pretty much hosed.
> >
> > That looks like it might actually fix it, unless there
> > more corruption somewhere
> 
> This sounds funny.  If you have any evidence that it was caused by
> Vinum, I'd be very interested to see it.  But I suspect that the cause
> is elsewhere, and Vinum has little to do with it.
> 
> Greg
> --

The evidence (as they say) is "purely circumstantial"...

Let me explain the h/w setup first. The box in question has a 
dual P2 MB with the built-in Adaptec 7890 2xUW SCSI
(7895? something like that)

The "primary" scsi channel has a UW side and an "old-fashioned" side
the "secondary" channel has only a UW bus, for a total of 3 connectors
on the MB.

The boot-critical stuff (/,/usr,/var) is located on an IDE disk, due 
to previous painful experiences with SCSI weirdness. Obviously this is 
the boot disk, and the Adaptec is configured NOT to setup BIOS disk 
devices.


scsi 1 UW has 3 nice 9gb disks hanging off it, with scsi id's of
0,1,2. these disks are located inside the PC itself, with disk id 2
being the closest to the controller, and disk id 0 furthest away, last
on that bus and terminated.
these disks map to da0,da1 and da2 in F-BSD

scsi 2 UW has 2 more 4gb disks on it, with scsi id's of 4 and 5, disk5 
is last on the bus and terminated.
these disks map to da3 and da4

/,/usr,/var are on a single IDE disk.
da0 is mounted on /home as a normal disk
da1,2,3,4 are bunched together into a 25gb vinum volume

with me so far ? OK...
the original problem appeared when I tried to plug in a scsi tape 
to backup my stuff, since I was intending to upgrade from 3.1 to 3.2

the tape drive, scsi id 6 was connected to the "slow" connector 
on the primary scsi, and there was an active terminator after the tape
on that bus.

the very first reboot the scsi disks went into a "device in timeout,
device not in timeout loop" which got nowhere, so i had to hit the 
good ole reset button and start playing with the box.

(remember that the tape drive shares a bus with 1 non-vinum and 2 vinum
disks? good)

my first thought was that the termination got screwed, so i spent
quite a few hours testing the various termination options on the
devices and on the controller - same result every time (well, almost
every time. in some configurations,, the controller lost the disks
partially or completely)

just for the fun of it, put the tape drive on different scsi id - 
no change

further investigation showed that the eternal timeout loop occurs 
on the 2 vinum disks that shared the bus with the tape. the test
pattern was (more or less) like this...


boot -s, fsck /home - no problem, reboot
boot -s, start vinum, fsck vinum volume - timeout & hang, reboot
boot -s, start vinum,  dd if=/dev/da1 of=/dev/null count=10 ( a vinum disk )
         - timeout/hang, reboot 
boot -s, DONT start vinum, dd from the non-vinum disk, no problem, reboot
boot -s, DONT start vinum, dd from vinum disk - no problem, reboot
boot -s, start vinum, dd from non-vinum disk - no problem, reboot

(start vinum means running the following commands:
 cd /etc/
 . ./rc.conf
 vinum read $vinum_drives
)

test the above with a non-SMP kernel - identical results...

I finally gave up and did the backup by partially copying from the 
vinum disk to the non-vinum one with the tape unpluggeed, rebooting
into single-user mode with the tape plugged in and backing up.
{repeat 6 times :-)))) } 
it wasn't as bad as it sounds, since a single
tape would not have held the full disk anyway...

updated the OS without a hitch (kudos to the developers, btw), so 
i did not need those backups after all :-))

^^^^^ that was 3.1 ^^^^^^^
vvvvv this is 3.2 vvvvvv

a couple of weeks later I decided to test a cd-burner on the box,
so i plugged one in - in exactly the same spot both in terms of 
physical connections and scis id's as i had the tape drive.

i was quite appehensive that the same sort of thing might happen
so i made sure i boot into single-user mode first, which went ok,
played with the burner a bit, then decided to reboot into multi
user to see what happens...

as soon as the vinum volume came up for fsck, I got the scsi errors and
that very nasty fsck error, panicked and took out the burner.

the next reboot did not have the scsi timeouts. neither did it have
a valid partition, which caused a lot of stress until someone pointed out
to me (very politely, though i did not deserve it in retrospect :-))))
that I can use an alternative super block for fsck ....

happy end of story.

but to answer your question - no, I cannot guarantee that it was
vinum's fault, but I _think_ I have eliminated all other variables

i am also (understandably, i hope) rather hesitant to do any more
playing around with the hardware.... but i can run a few tests if you
can tell me what to do 


Kiril




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> <boggle>
> Are you guys serious about dropping the box by powering off the console ?
> </boggle>

Yup...  Pretty dumb, isn't it?

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Quoting Yiorgos Adamopoulos (adamo@dblab.ece.ntua.gr):
> On Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 05:15:30PM -0400, I'Khala wrote:
> > > >         -r-xr-xr-x   1 root     wheel     8736632 May 21 18:39 /kernel*
> 
> Could this be the result of profiling/debugging options of some kind?
Possibly, since I do have debugging and profiling options in my kernel.
But it still begs the question, why so large.  My 2.2.x kernels were
never this large and my -current kernels are not this large even if
options that can be kld's are statically built into the kernel.  All my
kernels have debugging and profiling options built in.


> 
> --
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> adamo@dblab.ece.ntua.gr     -- Knowledge and Data Base Systems Laboratory, NTUA
> 
> 
> --adamo
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> 

#;^)
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"Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote:
> 
> For now, it's abandoned.  No replicator we currently know of is capable
> of mastering a DVD with rockridge long filenames.

We do support Joliet now... :-)

--
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Jordan K. Hubbard wrote...
> > Your problem is most likely with sysinstall.  I've seen other folks
> > complain about having trouble with CD installs, and I think the bottom line
> > was that there was (is?) a problem with sysinstall.
> 
> I doubt it - all sysinstall tries to do is mount the CDROM in the
> usual way; it doesn't do anything special.

Well, there are some things we can do to narrow it down:

- what kind of CDROM drive do you have
- since I assume you've already gotten 3.2 installed, how long does the
  probe message for your CDROM drive take to appear when you don't have
  any media in the drive?
- can you mount and read the FreeBSD CD okay?

There are some CDROM drives that take a *long* time to respond to read
capacity commands when there's no media in the drive.  So it can take over
a minute for the drive to show up when there's no media.

It may be that you're telling sysinstall to attempt to mount the CD during
the time the drive is still probing.  That's one possible explanation for
this.

Ken
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But not "UDP" format
for DVD-RAM drive's :(

----- Original Message -----
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> "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote:
> >
> > For now, it's abandoned.  No replicator we currently know of is capable
> > of mastering a DVD with rockridge long filenames.
>
> We do support Joliet now... :-)
>
> --
> Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS)
> dcs@newsguy.com
> dcs@freebsd.org
>
> Given infinite time, 100 monkeys could type out the complete works
> of Shakespeare.
> Win 98 source code? Eight monkeys, five minutes.
>
>
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[ On Friday, June 11, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: ]
> 
> Well, there are some things we can do to narrow it down:
> 
> - what kind of CDROM drive do you have

I have a Toshiba XM-6401B 40X CD-ROM and also a Yamaha CRW4416S CD-RW. The
Toshiba is the first disc on the scsi chain at ID3, the Yamaha next at 
ID4 (then two LVD drives at 5 and 6 respectively). Maybe I'm "off" on this
but I'd consider this fairly recent hardware.

> - since I assume you've already gotten 3.2 installed, how long does the
>   probe message for your CDROM drive take to appear when you don't have
>   any media in the drive?

Yes, I installed 3.1-R from CD and then just the other night (after I figured
out my modem fiasco) I CVSup'ed to 3.2-STABLE and rebuilt and installed that
with no problems.

The probe messages come up very quickly. I've got my "scsi delay" set to 5
seconds during boot (from the 15 in GENERIC) and everything is "found"
correctly. I assume that's what you mean when you say probe message.

Usually as soon as it hits the "login:" prompt, another console message will
print out which is pretty much an echo of what I'd find from dmesg regarding
cd0 and cd1 (just what type of drives, they are, speed, and the last line
which says "NOT_READY," because of no media). This happens within a second
or two of getting the "login:" prompt.

> - can you mount and read the FreeBSD CD okay?

Oh yes, like a champ. Both the Toshiba and the CD-RW. Never been any problem
now or previously in 3.1-R.

> There are some CDROM drives that take a *long* time to respond to read
> capacity commands when there's no media in the drive.  So it can take over
> a minute for the drive to show up when there's no media.
> 
> It may be that you're telling sysinstall to attempt to mount the CD during
> the time the drive is still probing.  That's one possible explanation for
> this.

who knows? I know the drive lights are not on when I'm in sysinstall (don't
know if that'd be an indication of the drive "thinking"). I will boot from
floppies tonight again and leave sysinstall sitting for a minute or two before
I try and chose the media.

If it helps, I'm running an Asus P2B-DS motherboard, BIOS 1009 (latest) which
incorporates the adaptec SCSI bios v2.11 for the onboard 7890 chipset. Maybe
there's a wierdity with this setup and those drives?

The work-around is of course just to have media there before the probes 
happen--which is not painful--but it would be nice to figure out why this is
happening (I figured out the work-around "by accident" when trying to install
3.1-R from CD-ROM ... but perhaps this has befuddled other people and maybe
future installs of 3.2-R from CD-ROM??).

Thanks for the reply--I'll try doing the above tonight when I get home and
will report back.

-Jr

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From owner-freebsd-stable  Fri Jun 11  9:25:57 1999
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If you have the CD you can use 'dd':

dd if=/dev/cd0c of=filename.img

if you have a directory structure on your HD and want to make an
image to burn to CD use 'mkisofs' from the ports collection.

> I've got a question that is somewhat related to this.. How does one go about
> making an image of a cd?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Ames [mailto:steve@cioe.com]
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> Subject: Re: burning a cd
>
>
> > Works perfectly for me on 4.0-CURRENT from yesterday. Thanks for the
> > info :)
> > It returns an input/output error when finishing writing, but the CD is
> > ok. I just copied a 2.2.7 CD with it for testing-purposes and it also
> boots from it.
>
> Good news. Hey can you post the exact command string your using?
> I've been using 'cdrecord' to burn CDs and then the ability stopped
> a few revisions back. I'm using 'cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=1,5,0
> filename.img'.
> Seems to work fine, gives an error at the end but the CDs are quite
> unreadale. *sigh*
>
> 						-Steve
>
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Subject: Re: Is the CD driver supposed to attach() now regardless of media?
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John Reynolds~ wrote...
> 
> [ On Friday, June 11, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: ]
> > 
> > Well, there are some things we can do to narrow it down:
> > 
> > - what kind of CDROM drive do you have
> 
> I have a Toshiba XM-6401B 40X CD-ROM and also a Yamaha CRW4416S CD-RW. The
> Toshiba is the first disc on the scsi chain at ID3, the Yamaha next at 
> ID4 (then two LVD drives at 5 and 6 respectively). Maybe I'm "off" on this
> but I'd consider this fairly recent hardware.

Yeah, I haven't heard of any problems with those drives.  The drives that
generally take a long time to probe are the HP 6200 and the Philips
equivalent of that drive.

> > - since I assume you've already gotten 3.2 installed, how long does the
> >   probe message for your CDROM drive take to appear when you don't have
> >   any media in the drive?
> 
> Yes, I installed 3.1-R from CD and then just the other night (after I figured
> out my modem fiasco) I CVSup'ed to 3.2-STABLE and rebuilt and installed that
> with no problems.
> 
> The probe messages come up very quickly. I've got my "scsi delay" set to 5
> seconds during boot (from the 15 in GENERIC) and everything is "found"
> correctly. I assume that's what you mean when you say probe message.
> 
> Usually as soon as it hits the "login:" prompt, another console message will
> print out which is pretty much an echo of what I'd find from dmesg regarding
> cd0 and cd1 (just what type of drives, they are, speed, and the last line
> which says "NOT_READY," because of no media). This happens within a second
> or two of getting the "login:" prompt.

Okay, sounds pretty normal.

> > - can you mount and read the FreeBSD CD okay?
> 
> Oh yes, like a champ. Both the Toshiba and the CD-RW. Never been any problem
> now or previously in 3.1-R.

Cool.

> > There are some CDROM drives that take a *long* time to respond to read
> > capacity commands when there's no media in the drive.  So it can take over
> > a minute for the drive to show up when there's no media.
> > 
> > It may be that you're telling sysinstall to attempt to mount the CD during
> > the time the drive is still probing.  That's one possible explanation for
> > this.
> 
> who knows? I know the drive lights are not on when I'm in sysinstall (don't
> know if that'd be an indication of the drive "thinking"). I will boot from
> floppies tonight again and leave sysinstall sitting for a minute or two before
> I try and chose the media.

That might work.  It might also help to switch to the debugging output
console window (it's been years since I've run through the install process,
so I don't know whether it's alt-f2 or f3 or what).  You might see some
diagnostics that'll help.

> If it helps, I'm running an Asus P2B-DS motherboard, BIOS 1009 (latest) which
> incorporates the adaptec SCSI bios v2.11 for the onboard 7890 chipset. Maybe
> there's a wierdity with this setup and those drives?

Nah, shouldn't be.  The 7890 trouble was fixed before 3.2.  Before that the
symptom would be a hang at the "waiting for devices to settle" message.

> The work-around is of course just to have media there before the probes 
> happen--which is not painful--but it would be nice to figure out why this is
> happening (I figured out the work-around "by accident" when trying to install
> 3.1-R from CD-ROM ... but perhaps this has befuddled other people and maybe
> future installs of 3.2-R from CD-ROM??).

Yeah, it would be nice to figure out what's going on.  My theory probably
isn't it.

> Thanks for the reply--I'll try doing the above tonight when I get home and
> will report back.

Cool, thanks.

Ken
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In message <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906091450270.49155-100000@thelab.hub.org>Marc Fournier writes:
>> >I'm currently investigating a problem with my server that
>> >coincedentally(sp?) started right after I upgraded INN to what we
>> >currently have...
>> >
>> >Someone *just* suggested that they thought that 3.2-STABLE of FreeBSD
>> >still has a slight bug in MMAP that causes a race condition...it just
>> >clued into me that Richard(?) sent out that response to me about Clayton
>> >using mmap() more now in nnrpd to share active?

Sigh.  Well, I said earlier that I hadn't seen that problem on 3.1-STABLE.
Well, I spoke too soon.  I came in today and saw innd locked in an unkillable
wait on vmpfw.  I provoked a crash dump out of the system, and managed to
get the following info out of gdb, if this is helpful to anyone. 
I've still got the corefile around if anyone has suggestions on where to look
further.

P.S. is there any easier way to get process struct addresses out of kgdb other
than to keep doing "p (struct proc *)curproc->p_list->le_next->p_list->le_next..."
until you find the process struct you're looking for?

Script started on Fri Jun 11 12:15:26 1999
Warning: imported path contains relative components
skywalker# gdb -k kernel.gdb /var/crash/vmcore.3
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details.
GDB 4.16 (i386-unknown-freebsd), 
Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc...
IdlePTD 3477504
initial pcb at 2da934
panic messages:
---
---
#0  boot (howto=260) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285
285			dumppcb.pcb_cr3 = rcr3();
(kgdb) p *(struct proc *)0xf62e03c0
$1 = {p_procq = {tqe_next = 0x0, tqe_prev = 0xf02dacd4}, p_list = {
    le_next = 0xf62df1e0, le_prev = 0xf62158c8}, p_cred = 0xf1014fc0, 
  p_fd = 0xf0f3ff80, p_stats = 0xf6516214, p_limit = 0xf0cdb200, 
  p_upages_obj = 0xf64527f8, p_procsig = 0xf1014260, p_flag = 5, 
  p_stat = 3 '\003', p_pad1 = "\000\000", p_pid = 87154, p_hash = {
    le_next = 0xf62e2a40, le_prev = 0xf0c589c8}, p_pglist = {
    le_next = 0xf62167e0, le_prev = 0xf1015a68}, p_pptr = 0xf6218e60, 
  p_sibling = {le_next = 0xf62e07e0, le_prev = 0xf6218eb0}, p_children = {
    lh_first = 0xf62167e0}, p_ithandle = {callout = 0xf357d290}, p_oppid = 0, 
  p_dupfd = 0, p_vmspace = 0xf62d8980, p_estcpu = 43, p_cpticks = 0, 
  p_pctcpu = 0, p_wchan = 0xf04dd610, p_wmesg = 0xf02af73a "vmpfw", 
  p_swtime = 24351, p_slptime = 22360, p_realtimer = {it_interval = {
      tv_sec = 0, tv_usec = 0}, it_value = {tv_sec = 0, tv_usec = 0}}, 
  p_runtime = 162720418, p_switchtime = {tv_sec = 571212, tv_usec = 964442}, 
  p_uticks = 17177, p_sticks = 3063, p_iticks = 576, p_traceflag = 0, 
  p_tracep = 0x0, p_siglist = 524544, p_textvp = 0xf6440880, 
  p_lock = 1 '\001', p_oncpu = 0 '\000', p_lastcpu = 0 '\000', 
  p_pad2 = 0 '\000', p_locks = 0, p_simple_locks = 0, p_stops = 0, 
  p_stype = 0, p_step = 0 '\000', p_pfsflags = 0 '\000', p_pad3 = "\000", 
  p_retval = {0, 134813312}, p_sigiolst = {slh_first = 0x0}, p_sigparent = 20, 
  p_oldsigmask = 0, p_sig = 0, p_code = 0, p_sigmask = 0, 
  p_priority = 0 '\000', p_usrpri = 60 '<', p_nice = 0 '\000', 
  p_comm = "innd\000tart\000\000\000\000\000\000\000", p_pgrp = 0xf1015a60, 
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
  p_sysent = 0xf02c4244, p_rtprio = {type = 1, prio = 0}, p_addr = 0xf6516000, 
  p_md = {md_regs = 0xf6517fbc}, p_xstat = 0, p_acflag = 1, p_ru = 0x0, 
  p_nthreads = 0, p_aioinfo = 0x0, p_wakeup = 0, p_peers = 0x0, 
  p_leader = 0xf62e03c0, p_asleep = {as_priority = 0, as_timo = 0}}
(kgdb) proc 0xf62e03c0
(kgdb) bt
#0  mi_switch () at ../../kern/kern_synch.c:830
#1  0xf015e70d in tsleep (ident=0xf04dd610, priority=0, 
    wmesg=0xf02af73a "vmpfw", timo=0) at ../../kern/kern_synch.c:448
#2  0xf021f356 in vm_fault (map=0xf62d8980, vaddr=689999872, 
    fault_type=1 '\001', fault_flags=0) at ../../vm/vm_fault.c:308
#3  0xf0248e76 in trap_pfault (frame=0xf6517fbc, usermode=1, eva=690002184)
    at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:816
#4  0xf02489f6 in trap (frame={tf_es = -272695257, tf_ds = -272695257, 
      tf_edi = 136365588, tf_esi = 136896512, tf_ebp = -272640264, 
      tf_isp = -162431004, tf_ebx = 140668256, tf_edx = 0, tf_ecx = 0, 
      tf_eax = 690002184, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 4, tf_eip = 134553715, 
      tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 66054, tf_esp = -272641860, tf_ss = 39})
    at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:358
#5  0x8052073 in ?? ()
#6  0x805b282 in ?? ()
#7  0x805c5c4 in ?? ()
#8  0x805ccba in ?? ()
#9  0x8057e00 in ?? ()
#10 0x805ad36 in ?? ()
#11 0x804e521 in ?? ()
(kgdb) fr 2
#2  0xf021f356 in vm_fault (map=0xf62d8980, vaddr=689999872, 
    fault_type=1 '\001', fault_flags=0) at ../../vm/vm_fault.c:308
308						tsleep(fs.m, PSWP, "vmpfw", 0);
(kgdb) l
303					unlock_things(&fs);
304					s = splvm();
305					if ((fs.m->flags & PG_BUSY) || fs.m->busy) {
306						vm_page_flag_set(fs.m, PG_WANTED | PG_REFERENCED);
307						cnt.v_intrans++;
308						tsleep(fs.m, PSWP, "vmpfw", 0);
309					}
310					splx(s);
311					vm_object_deallocate(fs.first_object);
312					goto RetryFault;
(kgdb) p fs.m
$2 = (struct vm_page *) 0xf04dd610
(kgdb) p fs.m[0][0]
$3 = {pageq = {tqe_next = 0xf05aca14, tqe_prev = 0xf02d0288}, hashq = {
    tqe_next = 0x0, tqe_prev = 0xf043a940}, listq = {tqe_next = 0x0, 
    tqe_prev = 0xf62d2018}, object = 0xf62d2000, pindex = 81, 
  phys_addr = 48844800, queue = 129, flags = 162, pc = 21, wire_count = 0, 
  hold_count = 0, act_count = 5 '\005', busy = 1 '\001', valid = 255 'ÿ', 
  dirty = 0 '\000'}
(kgdb) q
skywalker# 

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One thing which also confuses some people is that sysinstall attempts
to mount the CD itself - it doesn't like it if you've already got the
CD mounted someplace else; it *must not* be mounted before you run
sysinstall or you'll wind up with an attempted double-mount situation.

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[ On Friday, June 11, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: ]
> One thing which also confuses some people is that sysinstall attempts
> to mount the CD itself - it doesn't like it if you've already got the
> CD mounted someplace else; it *must not* be mounted before you run
> sysinstall or you'll wind up with an attempted double-mount situation.
> 
> - Jordan

Yup. Figured that one out years ago by emperical analysis ;-)

However, this was running sysinstall from the kern/mfsroot floppy boot
process with no media in the drives at probe time.

If you have media in the drives at probe time, then sysinstall is happy.  If
you don't have media at probe time (but DO have the media in the drive well
ahead of chosing the "media" option within sysinstall), Kenneth was saying
that the drivers still attach() but then sysinstall is confused.

I'll try the process(es) tonight on my other machine (different Toshiba
CD-ROM and different Adaptec controller in radically older machine) to see
if the same behavior is seen or if it's just some bizzare combo of my 
hardware, BIOS, phase of the moon, etc.

-Jr

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	I've been having my pthreads programs crash a lot with stable these days.
The panic is 'cannot set scheduling timer' (in uthread_kern.c). A bit of
sleuthing indicates that the tv_usec value being passed to setitimer is
negative!

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Jordan K. Hubbard wrote...
> One thing which also confuses some people is that sysinstall attempts
> to mount the CD itself - it doesn't like it if you've already got the
> CD mounted someplace else; it *must not* be mounted before you run
> sysinstall or you'll wind up with an attempted double-mount situation.

I just looked through sysinstall a little bit, and I think I have an idea
of what might be going on.  Jordan, you can probably tell me if I'm off
base.

It looks like that as soon as sysinstall starts up, it scans for available
devices, by just opening them.

Of course if you don't have media in your CDROM drive, you can't open the
device.

Anyway, the results of the scan seem to be cached, which may be what's
hitting John when he boots without a CD in the drive.  sysinstall doesn't
"see" his CDROM drive because it can't open it.

Does that ring any bells?

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On Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 11:46:34AM -0700, David Schwartz wrote:
> 
> I've been having my pthreads programs crash a lot with stable these days.
> The panic is 'cannot set scheduling timer' (in uthread_kern.c). A bit of
> sleuthing indicates that the tv_usec value being passed to setitimer is
> negative!

Have you tried backing out r.15.2.2 of uthread_kern.c?  It wouldn't
happen to be the same negative value each time, would it?


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Quoting Jan Pechanec (pechy@hp735.cvut.cz):
> On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, I'Khala wrote:
> 
> 	Hello,
> 
> 	I had kernel with debug info with aproximate size of 10Mb,
> 2.2.8 FreeBSD. Normally, when I am doing some programming, binaries
> with and without debug info are often aproximately 5-8:1 in size.
> 
> 	regards, Jan.
Thanxs.  After reading your message along with Michael Talon's I realized
I was over looking the use of objcopy in the install target of the kernel
build directory.  Must remember to think things all the way through before
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As John Reynolds~ wrote ...

> [ On Friday, June 11, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: ]
> > One thing which also confuses some people is that sysinstall attempts
> > to mount the CD itself - it doesn't like it if you've already got the
> > CD mounted someplace else; it *must not* be mounted before you run
> > sysinstall or you'll wind up with an attempted double-mount situation.
> > 
> > - Jordan
> 
> Yup. Figured that one out years ago by emperical analysis ;-)

Never underestimate the power of human experience ;-)

> However, this was running sysinstall from the kern/mfsroot floppy boot
> process with no media in the drives at probe time.
> 
> If you have media in the drives at probe time, then sysinstall is happy.  If
> you don't have media at probe time (but DO have the media in the drive well
> ahead of chosing the "media" option within sysinstall), Kenneth was saying
> that the drivers still attach() but then sysinstall is confused.

My experience is that as long as the CD is in the drive before you boot
the floppy sysinstall is happy. Put the CD in later and all bets are off.
This has been the case as long as I remember.

To be honest I've never considered this behaviour to be a problem.

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> Ever since the "tcpwrapper enabled" tasks came into use in stable, I can't 
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Since Amd is not started up from inetd, the tcp_wrapers/inetd changes
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Hi there.

Can anybody tell me how I can solve this problem?
I tried to boot using the boot/fixit floppies but it doesn't
work. When I select fixit from the boot menu, it asks for
the fixit floppy but then when trying to read it, it hangs.
I also tried the holo..shell on VT4, but from that shell
I can't even issue ls nor anything else (probably I should
mount a filesystem first???) as it not recognized as a
command.

I'm using FreeBSD 3.0
Any advice/hints?

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On Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 12:07:35PM +0200, nunnari wrote:
> Hi there.
> Can anybody tell me how I can solve this problem?
> I tried to boot using the boot/fixit floppies but it doesn't
> work. When I select fixit from the boot menu, it asks for
> the fixit floppy but then when trying to read it, it hangs.
> I also tried the holo..shell on VT4, but from that shell
> I can't even issue ls nor anything else (probably I should
> mount a filesystem first???) as it not recognized as a
> command.

Boot in single user mode. If console is marked as "secure" it won't ask you
for password. Then use "passwd".

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This is not Linux, you can boot to single user mode from the console.
then mount the filesystems and edit out the root password.

Jim Cassata


On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, nunnari wrote:

> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:07:35 +0200
> From: nunnari <roberto.nunnari@agie.ch>
> To: stable <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Subject: forgot root password!!
> 
> Hi there.
> 
> Can anybody tell me how I can solve this problem?
> I tried to boot using the boot/fixit floppies but it doesn't
> work. When I select fixit from the boot menu, it asks for
> the fixit floppy but then when trying to read it, it hangs.
> I also tried the holo..shell on VT4, but from that shell
> I can't even issue ls nor anything else (probably I should
> mount a filesystem first???) as it not recognized as a
> command.
> 
> I'm using FreeBSD 3.0
> Any advice/hints?
> 
> Best regards.
> -- 
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Quoting nunnari (roberto.nunnari@agie.ch):
> Hi there.
> 
> Can anybody tell me how I can solve this problem?
> I tried to boot using the boot/fixit floppies but it doesn't
> work. When I select fixit from the boot menu, it asks for
> the fixit floppy but then when trying to read it, it hangs.
> I also tried the holo..shell on VT4, but from that shell
> I can't even issue ls nor anything else (probably I should
> mount a filesystem first???) as it not recognized as a
> command.
From: Matthew Hunt <mph@pobox.com>

Assuming you have physical access to the machine, and can reboot
it:

At the "Boot:" prompt, enter "-s" to boot in single user mode.

After the system boots, it will ask for the pathname of a shell,
or you can hit enter for /bin/sh.  Hit enter.

Run the following commands:

fsck -p
mount -u /
mount -a -t ufs

You can now run "passwd" to change the root password.  Then
"shutdown -r now" to reboot as usual.


> 
> I'm using FreeBSD 3.0
> Any advice/hints?
> 
> Best regards.
> -- 
>               Roberto Nunnari -software engineer-
>                 mailto:roberto.nunnari@agie.ch
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> 

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Quoting nunnari (roberto.nunnari@agie.ch):

> Hi there.
> 
> Can anybody tell me how I can solve this problem?
> I tried to boot using the boot/fixit floppies but it doesn't
> work. When I select fixit from the boot menu, it asks for
> the fixit floppy but then when trying to read it, it hangs.
> I also tried the holo..shell on VT4, but from that shell
> I can't even issue ls nor anything else (probably I should
> mount a filesystem first???) as it not recognized as a
> command.

It's a shame there isn't a FAQ entry at http://www.FreeBSD.org/FAQ/ about
this. It's even more of a shame there aren't ample descriptions of what
mailing list is appropriate for questions at
http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/

Too bad, I guess.


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>
> [snip-o-rama]
>
> Really an IDE-cdrom ?
> He asked for a HP 7200 cd-writer (ide)

im using 3.0-stable  with an HP7200i, with the firmware upgrade (3.3?
2.3?)... both  scripts in /usr/share/examples/atapi work fine as is,
specifying the device acd#c.  


good luck,
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Hi,

On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote:

> Quoting nunnari (roberto.nunnari@agie.ch):
> 
> > Hi there.
> > 
> > Can anybody tell me how I can solve this problem?

> It's a shame there isn't a FAQ entry at http://www.FreeBSD.org/FAQ/
> about this.

There is:

	http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ138.html#138

Also, the solution to this problem did appear in the very first Daemon
News (in fact it's the very first question answered in the first AnswerMan
column):

	http://www.daemonnews.org/199809/answerman1.html

> It's even more of a shame there aren't ample descriptions of what
> mailing list is appropriate for questions at
> http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/

There _is_ :

http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL

Brett
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Fri Jun 11 15:23:54 1999
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From: Seth <seth@freebie.dp.ny.frb.org>
Subject: xperfmon++ and softupdates?
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I've noticed something a bit interesting, and wonder whether someone could
confirm:

I use xperfmon++ to monitor disk i/o (among other things).  I've noticed
that it seems to report disk activity without softupdates, but doesn't
really show the effects of large copies WITH softupdates.  For example, a
copy of a 300 MB file will cause a spike in "Disk IO (Mbytes/s)" when
softupdates is off, but with softupdates on, there's no change.

It's not an urgent problem, but I am curious.  Comments?

[ Dunno whether it's relevant, but: 
ahc0: <Adaptec aic7890/91 Ultra2 SCSI adapter> rev 0x00 int a irq 18 on
pci2.10.
0
ahc0: aic7890/91 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs
ahc1: <Adaptec aic7880 Ultra SCSI adapter> rev 0x01 int a irq 18 on
pci2.14.0
ahc1: aic7880 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs
sa0 at ahc1 bus 0 target 6 lun 0
sa0: <ARCHIVE Python 04106-XXX 715G> Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2
device 
sa0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15)
da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
da0: <SEAGATE ST39102LW 0004> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
da0: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing
Enabled
da0: 8683MB (17783240 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1106C)
da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0
da1: <SEAGATE ST39102LW 0004> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
da1: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing
Enabled
da1: 8683MB (17783240 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1106C)
]

Thanks,

SB



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On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Brett Taylor wrote:

> > It's a shame there isn't a FAQ entry at http://www.FreeBSD.org/FAQ/
> > about this.
> 
> 	http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ138.html#138
> 
> > It's even more of a shame there aren't ample descriptions of what
> > mailing list is appropriate for questions at
> > http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/
> 
> There _is_ :
> 
> http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL

That was my (sarcastic) point.

Note that the FAQ entry and handbook entry matched up.

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I've dug into this a little more: amd is a red herring; any attempt to
to do an NFS mount hangs with mount_nfs hung in D state (ktrace/kdump
shows that nami is the last system call made).

portmap appears to be the problem: rebuilding portmap after commenting out
the line
LDADD=        -lwrap
in /usr/src/usr.sbin/portmap/Makefile makes NFS mounts work again even in
the presence of /etc/hosts.allow

The portion of /etc/hosts.allow that refers to portmap sure appears to me
to be sufficient to let local hosts in:

# Portmapper is used for all RPC services; protect your NFS!
#portmap : localhost : allow
#portmap : .noao.edu : allow
#portmap : .evil.cracker.example.com : deny
portmap : ALL : allow


Any thoughts?  The next time I can play with this system, I will start
portmap with -v to see if any log entries are interesting.

Steve Grandi


On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, David O'Brien wrote:

> > Ever since the "tcpwrapper enabled" tasks came into use in stable, I can't 
> > get amd to work.
> 
> Since Amd is not started up from inetd, the tcp_wrapers/inetd changes
> could not affect Amd.  Nor has Amd been hacked to interact with libwrap
> what so ever.
> 
> -- 
> -- David    (obrien@NUXI.com  -or-  obrien@FreeBSD.org)
> 

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jonathan michaels:
 |On Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 03:30:11PM -0700, Scott Benjamin wrote:
 |
 |another related question .. what sort of hardware do you guys 
 |use, i'd like to be able to get a scsi burner but don't know 
 |where to start-look for a scsi cd writer.

I use a Ricoh 6200S.  Bought a few months ago.  Works great.
3.2-RELEASE here.

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>im using 3.0-stable  with an HP7200i, with the firmware upgrade (3.3?
>2.3?)... both  scripts in /usr/share/examples/atapi work fine as is,
>specifying the device acd#c.  

...

I suppose this thread means I can use my CDR to burn CDs...  Just one 
question nagging me that my befuddled mind can't seem to resolve easily
after I've been up too long...

Is there a way to elegantly perform dump(8)s spanning multiple CDs?
Could we get a script or 2 for that added to /usr/share/examples/atapi 
& or /usr/share/examples/worm perhaps?  Or is that asking too much?

//Eric

Happily on his way with a system that knows it has a modem after 
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Hi,

Is it possible to access https sites form local network 192.168.0.0
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> I just looked through sysinstall a little bit, and I think I have an idea
> of what might be going on.  Jordan, you can probably tell me if I'm off
> base.
> 
> It looks like that as soon as sysinstall starts up, it scans for available
> devices, by just opening them.
> 
> Of course if you don't have media in your CDROM drive, you can't open the
> device.

Correct.  This is a known problem which is unfortunately only sorta-kinda
documented; I'm frankly so used to this being a requirement for both
CDROM and tape installs that I think I forgot to even mention it in
the manual page. :-)

- Jordan


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On Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 11:06:45AM +0200, Gawel wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is it possible to access https sites form local network 192.168.0.0
> through Natd? (3.2-stable)
> 
> Regards,
> Gawel

I have no problems with that. So it is possible... What kind of problems do
you have?

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Hi,

I can access https directly from FreeBSD with no problems but from
pc on local network I have no answer from https site.
My natd configuration: natd_enable="YES", natd_interface="sl0", natd_flags="-m
-u -s"
I have no idea how to diagnose it.

Regards,
Gawel

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> On Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 11:06:45AM +0200, Gawel wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is it possible to access https sites form local network 192.168.0.0
> > through Natd? (3.2-stable)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gawel
>
> I have no problems with that. So it is possible... What kind of problems do
> you have?
>
> Michel



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I have a reproducible panic on a 3.2-stable system ('make world' and new
kernel from CTM sources about 2 days ago, though the problem was happening
before then).

I think I am in fact suffering from 2 different kernel bugs.  This machine
has most filesystems on a local disc, but has user home directories
NFS-mounted from a FreeBSD 2.2.7 server.   StarOffice executables are all
on the local drive, but it keeps a load of files in each user's ~/Office50
directory.  The first problem is that these files become corrupt very
readily - I suspect mmap()/NFS interaction or similar, since the problem
doesn't arise if the home directory is placed on the local drive.  No
panic at this stage, just corrupt files as reported by StarOffice when it
is re-started.

However, a couple of users have got their files corrupted in such a way
that after clearing StarOffice's "corrupt file" dialog the system panics:

IdlePTD 2699264
initial pcb at 22731c
panicstr: Bad stack grow start/end in new stack entry
panic messages:
---
panic: Bad stack grow start/end in new stack entry

(kgdb) where
#0  boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285
#1  0xc012c844 in at_shutdown (
    function=0xc020b47d <__set_sysinit_set_sym_vm_mem_sys_init+529>, 
    arg=0xc64ac600, queue=-968158528) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:446
#2  0xc01c6dea in vm_map_growstack (p=0xc64ac600, addr=3210739712)
    at ../../vm/vm_map.c:759
#3  0xc01e8196 in grow_stack (p=0xc64ac600, sp=3210858496)
    at ../../i386/i386/vm_machdep.c:571
#4  0xc01e6467 in trap_pfault (frame=0xc657efbc, usermode=1,
eva=3210862564)
    at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:808
#5  0xc01e601a in trap (frame={tf_es = 39, tf_ds = 39, tf_edi = 6, tf_esi
= 6, 
      tf_ebp = -1084104588, tf_isp = -967315484, tf_ebx = 690240016, 
      tf_edx = 0, tf_ecx = 688696616, tf_eax = 0, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err =
6, 
      tf_eip = 690228689, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 66198, tf_esp =
-1084104728, 
      tf_ss = 39}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:358
#6  0x29240dd1 in ?? ()
#7  0x29240f42 in ?? ()


(kgdb) up
#1  0xc012c844 in at_shutdown (
    function=0xc020b47d <__set_sysinit_set_sym_vm_mem_sys_init+529>, 
    arg=0xc64ac600, queue=-968158528) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:446
446             boot(bootopt);
(kgdb) up
#2  0xc01c6dea in vm_map_growstack (p=0xc64ac600, addr=3210739712)
    at ../../vm/vm_map.c:759
759                             panic ("Bad stack grow start/end in new
stack entry");
(kgdb) list
754             /* Adjust the available stack space by the amount we grew.
*/
755             if (rv == KERN_SUCCESS) {
756                     new_stack_entry = prev_entry->next;
757                     if (new_stack_entry->end   != stack_entry->start
||
758                         new_stack_entry->start != addr)
759                             panic ("Bad stack grow start/end in new
stack entry");
760                     else {
761                             new_stack_entry->avail_ssize =
stack_entry->avail_ssize -
762
(new_stack_entry->end -
763
new_stack_entry->start);
(kgdb) print new_stack_entry
$1 = (struct vm_map_entry *) 0x0
(kgdb) print rv
$2 = 0
(kgdb) print prev_entry
$3 = (struct vm_map_entry *) 0xc6575500
(kgdb) print *prev_entry
$4 = {prev = 0xc65aaa50, next = 0xc65aa7a8, start = 3210608640, 
  end = 3210862592, avail_ssize = 1949696, object = {vm_object =
0xc65a0f68, 
    share_map = 0xc65a0f68, sub_map = 0xc65a0f68}, offset = 0, 
  eflags = 0 '\000', protection = 7 '\a', max_protection = 7 '\a', 
  inheritance = 1 '\001', wired_count = 0}
(kgdb) 
$5 = {prev = 0xc65aaa50, next = 0xc65aa7a8, start = 3210608640, 
  end = 3210862592, avail_ssize = 1949696, object = {vm_object =
0xc65a0f68, 
    share_map = 0xc65a0f68, sub_map = 0xc65a0f68}, offset = 0, 
  eflags = 0 '\000', protection = 7 '\a', max_protection = 7 '\a', 
  inheritance = 1 '\001', wired_count = 0}
(kgdb)


This kernel has my patch to procfs to make /proc/xx/cmdline work for
StarOffice (patch as sent to the list a couple of weeks ago), but is
otherwise built from standard sources.

It has various kernel options for threads as required by StarOffice:


machine		"i386"
cpu		"I586_CPU"
ident		"ETH18"
maxusers	64

options		INET			#InterNETworking
options		FFS			#Berkeley Fast Filesystem
options		FFS_ROOT		#FFS usable as root device [keep this!]
options		MFS			#Memory Filesystem
options		NFS			#Network Filesystem
options		MSDOSFS			#MSDOS Filesystem
options		"CD9660"		#ISO 9660 Filesystem
options		PROCFS			#Process filesystem
options		"COMPAT_43"		#Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!]
options		SCSI_DELAY=15000	#Be pessimistic about Joe SCSI device
options		UCONSOLE		#Allow users to grab the console
options		USERCONFIG		#boot -c editor

options		SOFTUPDATES

options  "P1003_1B" 
options  "_KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING" 
options  "_KPOSIX_VERSION=199309L" 

config		kernel	root on wd0

controller	isa0
controller	pnp0			# PnP support for ISA
controller	pci0

controller	fdc0	at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2
disk		fd0	at fdc0 drive 0

controller	wdc0	at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 flags 0x80ff80ff
disk		wd0	at wdc0 drive 0

controller	wdc1	at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15

options		ATAPI		#Enable ATAPI support for IDE bus
options		ATAPI_STATIC	#Don't do it as an LKM
device		acd0		#IDE CD-ROM

# atkbdc0 controlls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse
controller	atkbdc0	at isa? port IO_KBD tty
device		atkbd0	at isa? tty irq 1
device		psm0	at isa? tty irq 12

device		vga0	at isa? port ? conflicts


# syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console
device		sc0	at isa? tty

device		npx0	at isa? port IO_NPX irq 13

device		sio0	at isa? port "IO_COM1" flags 0x10 tty irq 4
device		sio1	at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3
device		sio2	at isa? disable port "IO_COM3" tty irq 5
device		sio3	at isa? disable port "IO_COM4" tty irq 9

# Parallel port
device		ppc0	at isa? port? tty irq 7
controller	ppbus0
device		lpt0	at ppbus?
device		ppi0	at ppbus?

device fxp0		# Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558)

pseudo-device	loop
pseudo-device	ether
pseudo-device	tun	1
pseudo-device	pty	32

# KTRACE enables the system-call tracing facility ktrace(2).
# This adds 4 KB bloat to your kernel, and slightly increases
# the costs of each syscall.
options		KTRACE		#kernel tracing

# This provides support for System V shared memory and message queues.
#
options         SYSVSHM
options         SYSVMSG


#  The `bpfilter' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter.  Be
#  aware of the legal and administrative consequences of enabling this
#  option.  The number of devices determines the maximum number of
#  simultaneous BPF clients programs runnable.
pseudo-device	bpfilter 4	#Berkeley packet filter


 



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to all who replied, thank you very much,

On Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 10:39:50PM -0400, Randall Hopper wrote:
> jonathan michaels:
>  |On Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 03:30:11PM -0700, Scott Benjamin wrote:
>  |
>  |another related question .. what sort of hardware do you guys 
>  |use, i'd like to be able to get a scsi burner but don't know 
>  |where to start-look for a scsi cd writer.
> 
> I use a Ricoh 6200S.  Bought a few months ago.  Works great.
> 3.2-RELEASE here.

this was teh one i was desperately trying to remember, but 
couldn't.

also Igor recommended these yamaha cd writers (all scsi), 
yamaha 400, 400at and teh current one being the yamaha 4416s
(he said he hadn't personallly tried this one but that the 
earlier one the yamaha 4260 did work very well.

i am going to try to get a couple of these, either one ricoh 
and one yamaha or a pair f each .. i'm building two multimedia 
development platorrms .. as i said earlier i hope to be able to 
use freebsd, but i can see that dual booting to beos might have 
its advantages.

ps, after i get this project of teh ground and these (pair of 
dual xeon 400's) machines built i will post a brief outline of 
what was done and how freebsd was used to compliment and 
augment and integrate a beos multimedia server.

we plan to have a dvd server as well, but we will see what 
happens.

anyway, let you all know what happens.

again thank you all for responding.

regards

jonathan

for those intereseted ..

http://www.yamahayst.com/cdr.htm  (thanks, Igor)

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jonathan michaels <jon@caamora.com.au> probably said:
> also Igor recommended these yamaha cd writers (all scsi), 
> yamaha 400, 400at and teh current one being the yamaha 4416s
> (he said he hadn't personallly tried this one but that the 
> earlier one the yamaha 4260 did work very well.

> http://www.yamahayst.com/cdr.htm  (thanks, Igor)

I've got a Yamaha 400t, can't say enough good things about it ...
If I replace it with a CD-RW, it'll be another Yamaha.

Been using it with FreeBSD 2.2.* so far, but as soon as my new machine
hardware arrives I'll be using it with 3.2.

P.

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On 12 Jun, jonathan michaels wrote:
> to all who replied, thank you very much,
> 
> On Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 10:39:50PM -0400, Randall Hopper wrote:
>> jonathan michaels:
>>  |On Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 03:30:11PM -0700, Scott Benjamin wrote:
>>  |
>>  |another related question .. what sort of hardware do you guys 
>>  |use, i'd like to be able to get a scsi burner but don't know 
>>  |where to start-look for a scsi cd writer.
>> 
>> I use a Ricoh 6200S.  Bought a few months ago.  Works great.
>> 3.2-RELEASE here.
> 
> this was teh one i was desperately trying to remember, but 
> couldn't.
> 
> also Igor recommended these yamaha cd writers (all scsi), 
> yamaha 400, 400at and teh current one being the yamaha 4416s
> (he said he hadn't personallly tried this one but that the 
> earlier one the yamaha 4260 did work very well.

4416s here, excellent drive!

Geff



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At 10:34 pm +1000 12/6/99, jonathan michaels wrote:
>[...]
>also Igor recommended these yamaha cd writers (all scsi),
>yamaha 400, 400at and teh current one being the yamaha 4416s
>(he said he hadn't personallly tried this one but that the
>earlier one the yamaha 4260 did work very well.

I have a 4416S here, works fine with cdrecord on -current.


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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sat Jun 12 10:14: 1 1999
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natd works at layer 3.  https does its magic at layer 4.

All natd does is change the source/dest before sending tha packets, right?

I just tested mine against an https site...  no problems.

** You might want to make sure your natd's ipfw is open, or at least
allows connection to port 443.

-andy

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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sat Jun 12 10:49: 6 1999
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Hi

I've been having some problems moving my root partition from an IDE drive
to a SCSI one - mostly in that I get the following situation:

ahc0: <Adaptec aic7895 Ultra SCSI adapter> rev 0x04 int a irq 16 on pci0.12.0
ahc0: aic7895 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs
ahc1: <Adaptec aic7895 Ultra SCSI adapter> rev 0x04 int b irq 16 on pci0.12.1
ahc1: Using left over BIOS settings
ahc1: aic7895 Wide Channel B, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs

Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle
SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched!
sa0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0
sa0: <SONY SDT-7000 0195> Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device 
sa0: 10.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 15)
da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0
da1: <SEAGATE ST39173N 6244> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
da1: 20.0MB/s transfers (20.0MHz, offset 15), Tagged Queueing Enabled
da1: 8683MB (17783240 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 8683C)
da3 at ahc1 bus 0 target 11 lun 0
da3: <FUJITSU MAB3091SP 0109> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
da3: 40.0MB/s transfers (20.0MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled
da3: 8703MB (17824700 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 8703C)
changing root device to da0s1a
da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 3 lun 0
da0: <IBM DORS-32160 S82C> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
da0: 10.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 15), Tagged Queueing Enabled
da0: 2063MB (4226725 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 2063C)
da2 at ahc1 bus 0 target 2 lun 0
da2: <WDIGTL ENTERPRISE 1.70> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
da2: 40.0MB/s transfers (20.0MHz, offset 8, 16bit)
da2: 4157MB (8515173 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 4157C)

And then a freeze.

Any guesses?  Tried with both hardwired SCSI drives config lines and
without.

Booting off da0, set up to boot SCSI in BIOS, and to boot target 3 in
SCSI bios.

Neil
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We had a machine die with the following messages on the serial
console last night. I suspect the hardware as we've seen some
spontainious reboots with no messages on the console, but just
wondered what the other possibilities were. The machine is running
3.2-STABLE as of a few weeks ago.

	David.

Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
kernel trap 12 with interrupts disabeled
kernel trap 12 with interrupts disabeled
kernel trap 12 with interrupts disabeled
kernel trap 12 with interrupts disabeled
kernel trap 12 with interrupts disabeled
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Fatal double fault



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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sat Jun 12 14:32:48 1999
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Hi,

On Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 12:48:23AM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > Your problem is most likely with sysinstall.  I've seen other folks
> > complain about having trouble with CD installs, and I think the bottom line
> > was that there was (is?) a problem with sysinstall.
> 
> I doubt it - all sysinstall tries to do is mount the CDROM in the
> usual way; it doesn't do anything special.
 
 hmmm. I thought so, too.
 A few days ago I (once after a longer while) had to do a
 stand-alone installation of FreeBSD. (I was introducing a friend
 who is in the 'small-and-medium-network-business' to FreeBSD as
 a viable alternative to Netware and NT)

 The machine:   Gigabyte dual processor Board, 
                2 x Celeron 466 (no, not overclocked, that's my
                                 personal number-cruncher ;) )
                Adaptec 2940AU
                da0: <IBM DDRS-39130W S92A> 
                cd0: <YAMAHA CRW4416S 1.0e> Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device

 Booting (3.1-RELEASE) from the Yamaha Rewriter went well, but 
 the install kernel didn't attached it to the cd-driver.
 We had to grab an older Toshiba-drive and then the installation
 went smooth.

 After that we re-connected the Yamaha-drive and built a 
 custom SMP-kernel (from the plain-vanilla 3.1-RELEASE sources).
 This kernel attached the CRW4416 without a problem.

 Maybe there 'was' ('was' as '3.2-RELEASE' is out of the door) a
 hickup in the INSTALL-kernel?

BTW.

 After swapping the hostadapter to an 2940U2W
 (ahc0: aic7890/91 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs)
 I noted relatively 'odd' frequencies on the SCSI-bus?
 (cable and termination are 'ok')

cd0: 8.333MB/s transfers (8.333MHz, offset 31)
cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present - 
sa0: <TANDBERG MLR1 0207> Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device
sa0: 18.518MB/s transfers (9.259MHz, offset 15, 16bit)
        

-Andreas


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Hi,

 ... sorry, ... I really should have noted this in my earlier
 message on this topic.


On Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 09:30:02PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> My experience is that as long as the CD is in the drive before you boot
> the floppy sysinstall is happy. Put the CD in later and all bets are off.
> This has been the case as long as I remember.
... we tried all combinations ( 2940AU, Yamaha CRW4416 ) :
        - floppy boot, with medium in the the cd
        - floppy boot, without medium in the cd
        - cd-boot
        - cd-boot and taking out the cd direct after boot
          and back in later
        - waiting a few minutes before selecting the
          installation media in sysinstall
 
The 3.1-release installation kernel wasn't able to attach
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On Sat, 12 Jun 1999, Peter Radcliffe wrote:
> I've got a Yamaha 400t, can't say enough good things about it ...
> If I replace it with a CD-RW, it'll be another Yamaha.

I've got a Yamah 4260 - and find that it's *incredibly* finicky about
the blanks.  Some name brand disks - Memorex, for example - don't
produce reliable disks. None of the generics (Imation, HiQ, etc.) seem
to work, and at least one of them causes the recorder to give up
before even trying to write.

I've finally found a bulk source of disks that I've had good luck with
- TDK, so I'm hoping I'll feel better about it later.

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At 08:15 PM 6/12/99 -0700, Mike Meyer wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Jun 1999, Peter Radcliffe wrote:
> > I've got a Yamaha 400t, can't say enough good things about it ...
> > If I replace it with a CD-RW, it'll be another Yamaha.
>
>I've got a Yamah 4260 - and find that it's *incredibly* finicky about
>the blanks.  Some name brand disks - Memorex, for example - don't
>produce reliable disks. None of the generics (Imation, HiQ, etc.) seem
>to work, and at least one of them causes the recorder to give up
>before even trying to write.
>
>I've finally found a bulk source of disks that I've had good luck with
>- TDK, so I'm hoping I'll feel better about it later.

That hasn't been my experience with my Yamaha 4260.  I've used bulk Memorex 
(50 for $50!), HP, and some no-name CD-RW disks, and they've all worked 
fine.  Do you have the latest firmware?  (I think 1.0q is the latest.)

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On Sat, 12 Jun 1999, Jim King wrote:
> >I've got a Yamah 4260 - and find that it's *incredibly* finicky about
> >the blanks.  Some name brand disks - Memorex, for example - don't
> >produce reliable disks. None of the generics (Imation, HiQ, etc.) seem
> >to work, and at least one of them causes the recorder to give up
> >before even trying to write.
> >
> >I've finally found a bulk source of disks that I've had good luck with
> >- TDK, so I'm hoping I'll feel better about it later.
> 
> That hasn't been my experience with my Yamaha 4260.  I've used bulk Memorex 
> (50 for $50!), HP, and some no-name CD-RW disks, and they've all worked 
> fine.  Do you have the latest firmware?  (I think 1.0q is the latest.)

I used up a hundred of the Memorex disks (in bulk, 50 for $55) with no
problems. The next batch was sour - I burned four copies of one disk,
and *none* of them worked. After that, I tried a non-name disk that
was available in bulk (literally, no name was on them at all), and
they refused to burn with an I/O error on the first block. Figuring
the drive might be bad, I burned a CDRW, then called Yamaha tech
support. They said that if it burned CDRWs, then it was fine, and
Memorex media was on their trash list. I've got the first bulk TDK
disks - which they told me were fine - and we'll see.

Never had a problem with any CDRW blanks, though.

FWIW, the problems I'm having are that the disk burns fine, and mounts
- maybe. If it doesn't, it's due to bad values from the disk. Doing a
diff -R on it and the source tree usually leads to either invalid seek
values, or differences. Creating an ISO image first doesn't help
matters any.

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:Over the past week and a bit, the INN -CURRENT source tree had a major
:upheaval of code, in order to fix the major problem where reader speed
:sucked.  What used to take >1min to load up a newsgruop now generally
:takes mere seconds (no exaggeration, try it)...
:
:The problem is that the new code makes *heavy* use of MMAP() ...
:
:When the code was put in place, I immediately upgraded my server to give
:the code a good test (am one of the developers over there) in a production
:environment, and ever since then, my system locks up around 24hrs uptime,
:requiring a cold boot.
:
:I cannot get into DDB, since I'm over a serial console, so debugging this
:has proved to be next to impossible :(

    I'll bet that it is another mmap/write deadlock.

:I run CURRENT at home and STABLE in production, but the production server
:is the only one that I believe has enough load on her to be able to
:trigger it...
:
:Is this a problem that is fixed in CURRENT, but hasn't migrated down into
:STABLE?  Is there any way of adding some sort of debug code to STABLE such
:that if the race condition is trigger, it will at least pop up a message
:onto the console letting me know its happened so that I know its MMAP()
:related?
:
:Thanks...
:Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy

    If it is what I think it is, it is *NOT* yet fixed in -current.

					-Matt
					Matthew Dillon 
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sat Jun 12 21:59:31 1999
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From: Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com>
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To: "David E. Cross" <crossd@cs.rpi.edu>
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:Anyway, I have a simple program that mmap()s a 1Gig file into memory, 
:madvise()s it that it will be doing random access.  If I quit and restart
:this program a couple of times (yes, it close()s and munmap()s the segment),
:my system will hard lock.  By dropping into DDB once I found that it was
:stuck in 'vm_somethingorother_choosepage'.  Does this ring any bells?  Should
:I try to stop my system again?
:
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:David Cross                               | email: crossd@cs.rpi.edu 

    David, can you email this program to me please?

    Also, which FreeBSD release does this occur on?

    I've got about 6 mmap-related bugs on my plate at the moment.  3 of them
    have been identified ( that is, I know why they deadlock the machine ),
    but none have been fixed yet.

					-Matt
					Matthew Dillon 
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