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Wes Peters said on Jun 11, 2000 at 00:55:22:
> Mr. Vereen,
>
> I am writing you directly because neither the print version nor the
> on-line version of your magazine, Embedded Systems Programming,
> includes information on who to contact for errors and omissions. I am
> writing about Mr. Alexander Wolfe's article, "Alliances Drive Embedded
> Linux Toward Prime Time" in Vol. 13 no. 6, June 2000.
Do you have a URL?
> While generally factual and well written, Mr. Wolfe repeats a bit of
> revisionism that I must ask you to correct. In the article he writes
>
> And because Linux is "open source" -- a concept pioneered by
> the Cambridge, MA Free Software Foundation...
>
> This is patently untrue. Both the UNIX /usr/group and the Berkeley
> Software Distributions existed for many years before the FSF and the
> Gnu Project were created. Richard M. Stallman did NOT create the
> concept of open source software, his "innovation" was to use the
> distribution of open source software to advance his political agenda.
> Please clarify this situation for your readers.
True enough if you define "open source" simply as "having access to
source code". However, you should note that that's not how Stallman
or the open source initiative define it and moreover Stallman refuses
to use the term "open source" for the FSF's software. Stallman's aim
at that time was to have a complete free (as defined by him) operating
system, and BSD was not a complete operating system by itself;
moreover, I've heard you needed an AT&T license to use most BSD code
at all. There certainly was other free software around (apart from
BSD, there was TeX, X etc) but I don't think your suggested
clarification is any better than the original.
> And perhaps while we're at it, Mr. Wolfe can clarify what the vendor
> of that internet radio is supposed to do when the user upgrades it to
> kernel 2.4.33 and glibc 6.1.43 and it no longer works?
A valid point but I think these things can be much better expressed,
this sort of language would just tend to irritate a linux user rather
than spark any curiosity about BSD. Maybe the article provoked it,
but many linux people seem basically friendly towards the BSD's and
there's no need to sound so hostile. Besides, I don't think the
implication (that upgradation problems necessarily occur with linux
but cannot occur with BSD) is accurate, it's just that such problems
tend to be less common and less severe with BSD.
On a related topic, sometime back I'd suggested writing an advocacy
howto similar to the one already available for linux users, and had
received a reply from Chris Coleman suggesting that I go ahead. I
wrote to the linux howto author, Paul Rodgers, and got a reply
(somewhat late) telling me that I am welcome to use parts of his
document, and he himself is thinking of including the BSD's in the
next version of his howto. I'm a bit busy at present, but I'll do
this as soon as I can.
Rahul.
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In list.freebsd-advocacy Shawn Barnhart <swb@grasslake.net> wrote:
> Is there a source for a high(er)-res version of the FreeBSD daemon or other
> "logo"?
Maybe this one is suitable for you:
http://www.fromme.com/t-shirt/fbsd-shirt-large.jpg
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From: Rahul Siddharthan <rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in>
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Oliver Fromme said on Jun 11, 2000 at 12:49:44:
> In list.freebsd-advocacy Shawn Barnhart <swb@grasslake.net> wrote:
> > Is there a source for a high(er)-res version of the FreeBSD daemon or other
> > "logo"?
>
> Maybe this one is suitable for you:
> http://www.fromme.com/t-shirt/fbsd-shirt-large.jpg
I've also updated the scalable thing and I think it's much improved
now. It's necessarily different from the "original" jpg I used, since
it's not a computer-generated copy, so I felt it necessary to email
Kirk McKusick to ask whether it's ok to distribute it. Anyway, you
can pick it up at the same place as earlier
http://theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in/rsidd/daemon.png
(2528x1701 resolution, 129k)
http://theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in/rsidd/daemonsmall.png
(474x319 resolution, 17K)
http://theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in/rsidd/daemon.eps
(vector postscript, 45K)
http://theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in/rsidd/daemon.sk
(original Sketch file, 22K)
http://theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in/rsidd/daemon.eps.gz (12K)
http://theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in/rsidd/daemon.sk.gz (7K)
This is in more or less final form, so if the powers-that-be in the
advocacy team like it, feel free to pick it up and use it/distribute
it (and take care of the legal issues of including Kirk's copyright
notice and so on, which I haven't done since you'd know what to do
better than me.)
You can easily produce a bitmap with different resolution by importing
the eps file into Gimp and specifying a resolution at import time.
The PNG format seems best to save it in: JPG becomes either too lossy
(colours run over the boundaries and so on) or too bloated. And of
course you can do other things once it's in Gimp, like adjust the
colour/brightness/etc, add some noise (it looks a bit too smooth and
shiny right now, which is hard to avoid in vector graphics) and so
on...
Note that default settings of ghostscript/ghostview don't show the eps
file very well. I haven't tried printing the postscript directly, the
quality may depend on your printer / your setup's ghostscript settings.
Even if it doesn't work, the gimp->bitmap route above should be safe.
Rahul.
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On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 12:38:18PM -0600, Wes Peters wrote:
> Great work. I'll dig through my archives and see if I can find the list
> of proposed hardware-compatible vendors for you. The first one that leaps
> to mind is Abit, who list FreeBSD hardware compatible in the instruction
> booklets included with their motherboards.
I'd also suggest Tyan. For a while they had this thing explaining why
you might want a dual proc motherboard and when I mentioned that FreeBSD
was missing from the list of OSes that support SMP, they added it within
a day or so.
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Rahul Siddharthan wrote:
>
> Wes Peters said on Jun 11, 2000 at 00:55:22:
> > Mr. Vereen,
> >
> > I am writing you directly because neither the print version nor the
> > on-line version of your magazine, Embedded Systems Programming,
> > includes information on who to contact for errors and omissions. I am
> > writing about Mr. Alexander Wolfe's article, "Alliances Drive Embedded
> > Linux Toward Prime Time" in Vol. 13 no. 6, June 2000.
>
> Do you have a URL?
http://www.embedded.com/internet/0006/0006ia1.htm
> > While generally factual and well written, Mr. Wolfe repeats a bit of
> > revisionism that I must ask you to correct. In the article he writes
> >
> > And because Linux is "open source" -- a concept pioneered by
> > the Cambridge, MA Free Software Foundation...
> >
> > This is patently untrue. Both the UNIX /usr/group and the Berkeley
> > Software Distributions existed for many years before the FSF and the
> > Gnu Project were created. Richard M. Stallman did NOT create the
> > concept of open source software, his "innovation" was to use the
> > distribution of open source software to advance his political agenda.
> > Please clarify this situation for your readers.
>
> True enough if you define "open source" simply as "having access to
> source code". However, you should note that that's not how Stallman
> or the open source initiative define it
If you visit the Open Source Initiative on the web, you will find that
code under the Berkeley license *does* fit the open source definition.
> and moreover Stallman refuses
> to use the term "open source" for the FSF's software.
Stallman refuses to do a lot of things, and wants to force you to join
him.
> Stallman's aim
> at that time was to have a complete free (as defined by him) operating
> system, and BSD was not a complete operating system by itself;
When "pioneered", as Mr. Wolfe wrote, the entirety of the Gnu Project
was Emacs. Much of the software on the early BSD tapes had NO AT&T
content, and was ported to systems other than UNIX. Ports of termcap
and vi were available on systems like CP/M before Emacs crawled out of
Massachussetts.
> moreover, I've heard you needed an AT&T license to use most BSD code
> at all. There certainly was other free software around (apart from
> BSD, there was TeX, X etc) but I don't think your suggested
> clarification is any better than the original.
You're making the same timeline mistakes Mr. Wolfe is perpetuating.
TeX and X11 were not contemporaries of the early BSD distributions,
they happened nearly a decade later. According to the FSF web page,
the FSF was created in 1984, 8 years after the beginning of the CSRG
at UC Berkeley.
> > And perhaps while we're at it, Mr. Wolfe can clarify what the vendor
> > of that internet radio is supposed to do when the user upgrades it to
> > kernel 2.4.33 and glibc 6.1.43 and it no longer works?
>
> A valid point but I think these things can be much better expressed,
> this sort of language would just tend to irritate a linux user rather
> than spark any curiosity about BSD. Maybe the article provoked it,
> but many linux people seem basically friendly towards the BSD's and
> there's no need to sound so hostile. Besides, I don't think the
> implication (that upgradation problems necessarily occur with linux
> but cannot occur with BSD) is accurate, it's just that such problems
> tend to be less common and less severe with BSD.
The point is the Berkeley license allows vendors to make binary
only distributions, which completely obviate this problem. The GPL
does not. It is completely unsuitable for most embedded products
for that reason.
> On a related topic, sometime back I'd suggested writing an advocacy
> howto similar to the one already available for linux users, and had
> received a reply from Chris Coleman suggesting that I go ahead. I
> wrote to the linux howto author, Paul Rodgers, and got a reply
> (somewhat late) telling me that I am welcome to use parts of his
> document, and he himself is thinking of including the BSD's in the
> next version of his howto. I'm a bit busy at present, but I'll do
> this as soon as I can.
Thanks for your contributions.
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[Yes, I sent this to -chat before, but I wasn't subscribed to -advocacy
then. This is more appropriate for it.]
http://www.linuxcare.com/bootable_cd/
These are CDs the size of a business card you can boot to run Linux.
I'd love to see these for FreeBSD.
They also come with those white oval stickers that have a three letter
acronym on there (like "OBX") but say "LNX".
Those aren't bad - I don't like 'em, personally, but it might be cool to
see one that said "BSD".
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On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 at 16:54:45 -0400, Sean Michael Whipkey wrote:
> [Yes, I sent this to -chat before, but I wasn't subscribed to -advocacy
> then. This is more appropriate for it.]
>
> http://www.linuxcare.com/bootable_cd/
>
> These are CDs the size of a business card you can boot to run Linux.
> I'd love to see these for FreeBSD.
>
> They also come with those white oval stickers that have a three letter
> acronym on there (like "OBX") but say "LNX".
>
> Those aren't bad - I don't like 'em, personally, but it might be cool to
> see one that said "BSD".
I talked with someone about this at Fall COMDEX in Vegas last year -- we
were pretty interested in doing it, but then we came to the realization
that it was cheaper for us to hand out full-sized disk ones than to have
a bunch of these made -- not to mention we'd have had to hack a custom
install to fit on a smaller CD..
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I have one that says "BSD" on my laptop. Thinkgeek sells them.
http://www.thinkgeek.com
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On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Sean Michael Whipkey wrote:
> [Yes, I sent this to -chat before, but I wasn't subscribed to -advocacy
> then. This is more appropriate for it.]
>
> http://www.linuxcare.com/bootable_cd/
>
> These are CDs the size of a business card you can boot to run Linux.
> I'd love to see these for FreeBSD.
>
> They also come with those white oval stickers that have a three letter
> acronym on there (like "OBX") but say "LNX".
>
> Those aren't bad - I don't like 'em, personally, but it might be cool to
> see one that said "BSD".
>
> SeanMike
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Sean Michael Whipkey wrote:
>
> They also come with those white oval stickers that have a three letter
> acronym on there (like "OBX") but say "LNX".
>
> Those aren't bad - I don't like 'em, personally, but it might be cool to
> see one that said "BSD".
Covered ages ago -- http://www.thinkgeek.com/. See the DN coverage at:
http://daily.daemonnews.org/view_story.php3?story_id=305
Follow the link on the original article and poke around a bit. I ordered
several items, including a BSD sticker for my ride, for Christmas last
year.
The best sticker is the "Bow before me, for I am root." IMHO.
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On page 12 of the June 2000 issue of Server/Workstation Expert is a
three-quarter page and very noticable article about BSDi and FreeBSD
and about BSD in general. It is overall a very well written article.
Mike Tansca of Sextex Communications, who I see on the various FreeBSD
lists quite often, was even quoted in the article. The only nit I
have is that the relationship between BSDi and FreeBSD wasn't
clarified, and the uninformed could get the idea from the article that
BSDi somehow had a lote more control over FreeBSD than it really does
because "BSD and FreeBSD code will be merged", and thats about all
that was said other than the offering of technical support from BSDi.
The relationship cited between Walnut Creek and FreeBSD was
unambiguous, citing only that Walnut Creek marketed a FreeBSD
distribution, which is exactly the case. Again, overall a very well
written article. Whomever convinced S/W Expert to publish this
deserves a hand! :-)
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Yeah, the logo on the left is what I had in mind, but it has to in
some crazy format, a 2 colour bitmap, of a certain size, if i'm not
mistaken.
I have no idea how to make/convert to this format..that's the
problem..I'm sure if I managed to get it in the format I could get my
sms/email gateway (blueskyfrog.com , unfortunately australian mobiles
only) to carry it.
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On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Sean Michael Whipkey wrote:
> [Yes, I sent this to -chat before, but I wasn't subscribed to -advocacy
> then. This is more appropriate for it.]
>
> http://www.linuxcare.com/bootable_cd/
I don't think you could get much of an OS on these. I got a
Berkely DB card-CD from Sleepycat at last years USENIX. It only had a few
megs on it.
Maybe a PicoBSD card-CD woudl work.
Adrian
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> On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Sean Michael Whipkey wrote:
>
> > [Yes, I sent this to -chat before, but I wasn't subscribed to -advocacy
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> > http://www.linuxcare.com/bootable_cd/
>
> I don't think you could get much of an OS on these. I got a
> Berkely DB card-CD from Sleepycat at last years USENIX. It only had a few
> megs on it.
Actually, this claims to have much more:
"Boot our Bootable Business Card and you have 108MB of usable software
at your fingertips."
I think we could fit a kernel on that. However, there have been some
good points on the cost...
SeanMike
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Just thought I'd pass on the news that FreeBSD had it's debut and was
put into action today where I work. I installed FreeBSD 3.4 on a Compaq
Deskpro 2000 (266mhz) machine the other day and the install went without
a hitch. I gave it a dedicated IP address and got an Apache v1.3 web
server going and an FTP server. I've been tasked with managing our
local intranet and plan on using the FreeBSD machine as a test bed for
comparing cost, stability and performance to other web servers on
different platforms like NT and OS/400. I think it's already won the
cost comparison. I created a home
page and linked it to all of our Lotus Notes databases, that are
currently running on an AS/400 (V4R4) Domino Server. I couldn't believe
the difference in speed! Accessing the databases through my Apache
server is a lot faster than using the notes client! The pages look a
lot better in HTML than the old boring flat database style you see when
using the notes client. Anyway, I gave my managers a demonstration and
they were pretty impressed. I think this is just the beginning. I
don't think I'm going to have a problem of finding ways to justify the
use of FreeBSD where I work anymore. FreeBSD rocks!! 8^)
Joe
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On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:29:24 -0600, Joe Warner wrote:
>Just thought I'd pass on the news that FreeBSD had it's debut and was
>put into action today where I work.
I am starting a new job soon and I will try to get them to use
FreeBSD for the Intranet.
I think it is a good place to start since it is highly visible.
Something like DNS doesn't impress management. They can't see it
and they may not even understand it..
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> I think it is a good place to start since it is highly visible.
> Something like DNS doesn't impress management. They can't see it
> and they may not even understand it..
That reminds me (but I'm not sure why it does) -- recently I installed
NetBSD on the second hard disk of a professor's aging Sun SPARC after
the first hard disk failed, and he's very happy with its performance.
He didn't know anything about BSD earlier. But I noticed that he was
particularly reassured, early on, by the University of California
copyright messages that scroll by on bootup. When he commented on
that I gave him some further history on BSD.
Of course, he's a scientist and probably has an instinctive regard
for work done in universities, management types / PHB's may not react
the same way...
R.
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On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Joe Warner wrote:
> I created a home page and linked it to all of our Lotus Notes databases,
> that are currently running on an AS/400 (V4R4) Domino Server. I
> couldn't believe the difference in speed! Accessing the databases
> through my Apache server is a lot faster than using the notes
> client!
I don't mean to put a damper on things, but the Notes databases aren't
being accessed through the Apache server; they're being manipulated and
displayed with the Domino web server process running on the AS/400.
FreeBSD still rocks, mind you :)
Cheers,
Mick
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Got this from a friend, and thought I would share it.
-Lanny
-----FW: <3948F890.28270.988F068@localhost>-----
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:38:56 -0400
From: Lanny Baron <lnb@cybertouch.org>
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Subject: daemon woes???
>This is a message which appeared on the aussie-isp mailing list earlier
>yesterday. I thought people here might like it :-) Ross is a reliable
>source (as measured by most reasonable metrics :-), so I doubt we can
>chalk this one up to "urban legend".
>
>I've cut a bit of stuff off the bottom of it, but apart from that this is
>all in Ross' own words.
>
> - mark
>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:45:51 +1000 (EST)
>> From: Ross Wheeler <ross@home.albury.net.au>
>> To: aussie-isp@aussie.net
>> Subject: [Oz-ISP] FreeBSD and the forces of darkness. Real religious
>> wars!
>>
>>
>> I've got to tell someone about this.... I'm flabergasted!
>>
>> A client of a client had their internet gateway machine (a Linux box)
>> hacked recently, and seriously compromised. Ok... totally screwed.
>>
>> So, much panic, waving of arms and gnashing of teeth, and it was a case
>> of "drop everything and help" this poor school. The person who set up
>> the original box is on the other side of the continent and seems to be
>> not contactable, or something.
>>
>> Anyhow, we helped. KNOWING the box had been hacked and WOULD
be under
>> constant scrutiny, we suggested FreeBSD (now before we start any
>> religious wars here, yes, a linux box MAY be as secure as a FreeBSD
>> box, assuming both were set up by people familiar and competent with
>> them both.... but we're a FreeBSD site and not expert with Linux! Plus,
>> it was compromised as a Linux box, much better to change things a
>> little while we're at it).
>>
>> So the box was completely re-built. They moved the goalposts a couple
>> of times (changing how things needed to be set up AFTER it had been
>> done, but hey...). and now that it's all going and working..... they
>> want to rip it out and put linux back on again.
>>
>> Why?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Well.... I could start a guessing competition here.
>>
>> And you guys (and girls) are NOT allowed to kill yourselves laughing
>> here... This is what the person actually typed:
>>
>>
>> "I've just had a converstaion with xxxx xxxx (our Principal) about some
>> of the changes. We've had to deal with some of the philosphical issues
>> related to BSD. As you know BSD uses a 'devil' icon to portray the BSD
>> symbol. Given we are a Christian school this is a significant concern
>> for us. Even after reviewing the sites blurb about the origin of the
>> symbol, we've come to the conclusion that it would not be appropriate
>> for us to use the software."
>>
>> Can you believe it?!
>>
>> I tried to "inform" them about the "mascot"....
>>
>> "some of our parents who are very technically savvy would not care
>> about the disctinction. It is the subliminal message the icon
>> represents..."
>>
>> And then the FreeBSD site itself fueled the fire:
>>
>> "Even the site talks about a deamon being 'unleashed' in you computer
blah."
>>
>> So that's that. No further discussion would be entered into. They've
>> made their decision..... with a parting shot that:
>>
>> "what we need to concern ourselves with as a Christian school is the
>> 'message' or 'image' that may unwittingly be portrayd."
>
>
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But the daemon on BSDToday.com is hideously ugly. I mean, oh man, I hate
that thing. Is there anything that can be done about it? Maybe the
daemon from the NetBSDiality t-shirts should go over to Internet.com's
head-quarters and ask for "some courtesy, some sympathy, and some taste."
I need some c0ff33.
Jamie
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Well, yes. But at least they're covering us.
I suspect that if you had something better to offer, they'd listen. I
wonder why they didn't want to use Beastie? Licensing or copyright,
perhaps?
Personally, I think that it's funny that our OS is free, but our
mascot can only be used with McKusick's permission. ;)
==ml
> But the daemon on BSDToday.com is hideously ugly. I mean, oh man, I hate
> that thing. Is there anything that can be done about it? Maybe the
> daemon from the NetBSDiality t-shirts should go over to Internet.com's
> head-quarters and ask for "some courtesy, some sympathy, and some taste."
>
> I need some c0ff33.
>
> Jamie
>
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I just gave them a call. I think they will fix it.
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, James Howard wrote:
> But the daemon on BSDToday.com is hideously ugly. I mean, oh man, I hate
> that thing. Is there anything that can be done about it? Maybe the
> daemon from the NetBSDiality t-shirts should go over to Internet.com's
> head-quarters and ask for "some courtesy, some sympathy, and some taste."
>
> I need some c0ff33.
>
> Jamie
>
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Hi,
On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, James Howard wrote:
> But the daemon on BSDToday.com is hideously ugly. I mean, oh man, I
> hate that thing. Is there anything that can be done about it? Maybe
> the daemon from the NetBSDiality t-shirts should go over to
> Internet.com's head-quarters and ask for "some courtesy, some
> sympathy, and some taste."
They're a commercial site - they attempted to create a Daily DaemonNews
site to compete (Internet.com has lots of other sites they've bought out
in the last year).
Brett
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