From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jun 25 2:49:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from magus.users.xmission.com (magus.users.xmission.com [204.228.152.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBDF37B933 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 02:49:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from magus@magus.users.xmission.com) Received: (from magus@localhost) by magus.users.xmission.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA51857 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 03:52:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from magus) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 03:52:53 -0600 From: Anthony Chavez To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Sick. Just sick. Message-ID: <20000625035253.A51811@magus.users.xmission.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A friend sent this to me today. I am not quite sure what to think about it yet. :-) http://www.dailyrotten.com/takeittux.jpg -- magus@xmission.com http://wwp.icq.com/17901391 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Microsoft: "Where would you like to go today?" Linux: "Where would you like to go tomorrow?" BSD: "Hey, are you guys coming or what?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jun 25 5: 4:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mta02-svc.server.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1CB37BAA4 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 05:04:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from parish.my.domain ([62.253.89.191]) by mta02-svc.server.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000625130404.GCCA10065.mta02-svc.server.ntlworld.com@parish.my.domain>; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:04:04 +0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00818; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:04:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:04:11 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Anthony Chavez Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sick. Just sick. Message-ID: <20000625130411.D233@parish> References: <20000625035253.A51811@magus.users.xmission.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000625035253.A51811@magus.users.xmission.com>; from magus@magus.users.xmission.com on Sun, Jun 25, 2000 at 03:52:53AM -0600 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jun 25, 2000 at 03:52:53AM -0600, Anthony Chavez wrote: > A friend sent this to me today. I am not quite sure what to think about > it yet. :-) > > http://www.dailyrotten.com/takeittux.jpg > ROFL. The look on Tux's face is priceless. Not so sure Kirk would approve though. > -- > magus@xmission.com http://wwp.icq.com/17901391 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Microsoft: "Where would you like to go today?" > Linux: "Where would you like to go tomorrow?" > BSD: "Hey, are you guys coming or what?" > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- If I buy a copy of WinDelete, and it doesn't delete Windows, am I entitled to my money back? ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jun 25 12:29:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (server.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9877F37B536; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:29:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@baldwin.cx) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (root@john.geekhouse.net [192.168.1.18]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA41839; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:29:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@baldwin.cx) Received: (from john@localhost) by john.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03049; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:29:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john) Message-Id: <200006251929.MAA03049@john.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200006250248.WAA41526@sanson.reyes.somos.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Organization: BSD, Inc. From: John Baldwin To: Francisco Reyes Subject: Re: FreeBSD Corporate list (was Manager's response re: FreeBSD) Cc: Joe Warner , "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" , freebsd newbies Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 25-Jun-00 Francisco Reyes wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:49:50 -0600, Joe Warner wrote: > >>Yeah, a FreeBSD-Corporate or FreeBSD-Business or FreeBSD-Atwork list would be a >>good idea. I'm sure there are quite a few people out there that are facing >>similar challenges. Keep me posted. Thanks. > > So far I have not seem much interest in this list or have got > the response that "this is" advocacy. > > I will give it a few days. If I get no positive feedback I will > create the list at Egroups. yeah.. yeah I know they run on > Linux.. but hey if I can't have it on the FreeBSD lists.... at > least they welcome it with open arms. :-) Actually, in some areas they are switching to BSD. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jun 25 14:23: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from epsilon.lucida.qc.ca (epsilon.lucida.qc.ca [216.95.146.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AB9BD37B941 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:22:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET) Received: (qmail 15444 invoked by uid 1000); 25 Jun 2000 21:22:55 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Jun 2000 21:22:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:22:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Heckaman X-Sender: matt@epsilon.lucida.qc.ca To: Anthony Chavez Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sick. Just sick. In-Reply-To: <20000625035253.A51811@magus.users.xmission.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost 1.6.2 0/1000/N Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Anthony Chavez wrote: : A friend sent this to me today. I am not quite sure what to think about : it yet. :-) : : http://www.dailyrotten.com/takeittux.jpg Yeah, my friend sent me that a few days ago. It's pretty funny I thought, though most likely inappropriate usage of the daemon :) * Matt Heckaman - mailto:matt@lucida.qc.ca http://www.lucida.qc.ca/ * * GPG fingerprint - A9BC F3A8 278E 22F2 9BDA BFCF 74C3 2D31 C035 5390 * -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (FreeBSD) Comment: http://www.lucida.qc.ca/pgp iD8DBQE5VngudMMtMcA1U5ARAlh4AJ9Ljc+IsSBQe1Iv/dc8qmq7VMTzXACguXcc jnMzfUb4PZCwT1a3M+qAKd0= =hGHF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jun 25 22:50:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from azazel.zer0.org (azazel.zer0.org [209.133.53.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9D537B665 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:50:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by azazel.zer0.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id WAA82539; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:50:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:50:33 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Danny Howard Cc: Terry Lambert , The Clark Family , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Using FreeBSD to Sell Sun Hardware Message-ID: <20000625225033.B79299@azazel.zer0.org> References: <200006231705.KAA25097@usr01.primenet.com> <20000623101122.L32144@never.tellme.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000623101122.L32144@never.tellme.com>; from dannyman@tellme.com on Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 10:11:22AM -0700 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2000-06-23 10:11 -0700, Danny Howard wrote: > > It is like we're geurillas in the OS wars, sneaking up on the enemy, with > funding from the various "great powers" who each have their own agendas, and > see our activities as being potentially quite useful. :) One can only dream of the day when we are gorillas in the OS wars, with funding from all kinds of agenda-wielding entities. The ones who fund development earliest will reap the greatest harvest, because they'll have the most experienced development teams. Choosing BSD is a win-win situation, both short and long- term. > Hrmmm, should eat some breakfast. Mmm, bananas. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Failing sardine factory cans employees! mailto:gsutter@zer0.org http://www.zer0.org/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jun 25 22:59: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from azazel.zer0.org (azazel.zer0.org [209.133.53.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06FDA37B665; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:58:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by azazel.zer0.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id WAA82662; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:57:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:57:57 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Francisco Reyes Cc: freebsd newbies , "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" , Joe Warner Subject: Re: FreeBSD Corporate list (was Manager's response re: FreeBSD) Message-ID: <20000625225757.C79299@azazel.zer0.org> References: <3954BC7E.BDBC36BE@uswest.net> <200006250248.WAA41526@sanson.reyes.somos.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200006250248.WAA41526@sanson.reyes.somos.net>; from fran@reyes.somos.net on Sat, Jun 24, 2000 at 10:49:45PM -0400 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2000-06-24 22:49 -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:49:50 -0600, Joe Warner wrote: > > >Yeah, a FreeBSD-Corporate or FreeBSD-Business or FreeBSD-Atwork list > >would be a good idea. I'm sure there are quite a few people out there > >that are facing similar challenges. Keep me posted. Thanks. > > I will give it a few days. If I get no positive feedback I will > create the list at Egroups. yeah.. yeah I know they run on > Linux.. but hey if I can't have it on the FreeBSD lists.... at > least they welcome it with open arms. :-) Creating it at eGroups wouldn't be such a bad thing. They run both Linux and BSD; some of their services require BSD boxes because the FreeBSD can handle much higher service loads than Linux. That said, I think that the list would serve a valuable purpose and should be on freebsd.org. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Heisenberg might have been here. mailto:gsutter@zer0.org http://www.zer0.org/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jun 25 23: 1: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from azazel.zer0.org (azazel.zer0.org [209.133.53.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA4237B709; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:01:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by azazel.zer0.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id XAA82737; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:00:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:00:58 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Joe.Warner@smed.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Manager's response re: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000625230058.D79299@azazel.zer0.org> References: <85256907.0071D89C.00@Deimos.smed.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <85256907.0071D89C.00@Deimos.smed.com>; from Joe.Warner@smed.com on Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 02:45:04PM -0600 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2000-06-23 14:45 -0600, Joe.Warner@smed.com wrote: > > > Here's a response I got from one of my managers re: FreeBSD. Any comments > or replys would be welcome. Thanks. That is a more thoughtful, appropriate, and literate response than I have ever gotten from any of my handful-plus-one of managers. Congratulations on finding a really cool boss! Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter "Software is like sex; it's better mailto:gsutter@zer0.org when it's free." -- Linus Torvalds http://www.zer0.org/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 26 4:28:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8E637BA22; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:28:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA25695; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:21:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200006261121.HAA25695@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Gregory Sutter" Cc: "freebsd newbies" , "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Joe Warner" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:20:14 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: <20000625225757.C79299@azazel.zer0.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Corporate list (was Manager's response re: FreeBSD) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:57:57 -0700, Gregory Sutter wrote: >That said, I think that the list would serve a valuable purpose and >should be on freebsd.org. I am all for it, but it is not up to me. I already send a note to jmb (Jonathan Bresler) about it. Unless there is someone else I should send this request to, there is not much else I can do. I am waiting until wednesday. Don't know if it's a matter of just giving it more time.. Francisco To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 26 6:17: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from spectre.honk.org (cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.42.175.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA5E37BB2C; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:16:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from spectre.honk.org (mpoulin@spectre.honk.org [24.42.175.137]) by spectre.honk.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA16731; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:17:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:17:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some questions re: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20000624092439.A31497@physics.iisc.ernet.in> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG - M - On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > Daniel C. Sobral said on Jun 24, 2000 at 11:37:28: > > > * Because it isn't as forgiving of errors as Windows. > > I keep seeing this one and also "it's not as easy to administer as > Windows". Both of which are nonsense (imo). Any unix has so many > inbuilt safeguards that it's *much* more forgiving of errors than > windows -- with windows any user can easily screw up the whole > machine. And as for administration, how many people have an > unmaintained windows machine running for weeks, let alone months or > years? The way you use windows is to run it as for as long as it > works, and then reinstall. With that approach any OS is easy to > administer. I agree. I recently took a 3-day crash course in Windows 2000 administration, and I have to say that it's *scary*. If you don't plan properly, it's possible to sabotage your entire enterprise unknowingly, with one small design error. At least Unix gives you the flexibility to correct your mistakes down the road. M To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 26 6:33: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from lorax.ubergeeks.com (lorax.ubergeeks.com [209.145.74.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 922E437B692 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:32:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adrian@ubergeeks.com) Received: from localhost (adrian@localhost) by lorax.ubergeeks.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18653; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:31:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from adrian@ubergeeks.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:31:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Adrian Filipi-Martin Reply-To: Adrian Filipi-Martin To: Matt Heckaman Cc: Anthony Chavez , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sick. Just sick. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This looks like the artwork from a limited run "NetBSD-ality" a couple of NetBSD guys were sporting at last years USENIX in Monterey. Pretty funn, but I don't know if I would wear it in public or even in mixed operating system crowds. On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Matt Heckaman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Anthony Chavez wrote: > > : A friend sent this to me today. I am not quite sure what to think about > : it yet. :-) > : > : http://www.dailyrotten.com/takeittux.jpg > > Yeah, my friend sent me that a few days ago. It's pretty funny I thought, > though most likely inappropriate usage of the daemon :) > > * Matt Heckaman - mailto:matt@lucida.qc.ca http://www.lucida.qc.ca/ * > * GPG fingerprint - A9BC F3A8 278E 22F2 9BDA BFCF 74C3 2D31 C035 5390 * > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (FreeBSD) > Comment: http://www.lucida.qc.ca/pgp > > iD8DBQE5VngudMMtMcA1U5ARAlh4AJ9Ljc+IsSBQe1Iv/dc8qmq7VMTzXACguXcc > jnMzfUb4PZCwT1a3M+qAKd0= > =hGHF > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > Adrian -- [ adrian@ubergeeks.com -- Ubergeeks Consulting -- http://www.ubergeeks.com/ ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 26 11: 7:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA84837BBB8; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:07:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA447E; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:08:44 -0700 Message-ID: <39579B45.9FAC1820@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:04:53 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some questions re: FreeBSD References: <85256907.0054D783.00@Deimos.smed.com> <39541EE8.EBD5BDDF@newsguy.com> <20000624092439.A31497@physics.iisc.ernet.in> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > Daniel C. Sobral said on Jun 24, 2000 at 11:37:28: > > > * Because it isn't as forgiving of errors as Windows. > > I keep seeing this one and also "it's not as easy to administer as > Windows". Both of which are nonsense (imo). Any unix has so many > inbuilt safeguards that it's *much* more forgiving of errors than > windows -- > ... I think you sidestepped the point. Windows will forgive you of your error and blithly go right ahead and destroy itself. In other words, Windows is not a "nagging" as Unix. A lot of people new to computers like and want this lack of nagging. When we were children our mothers kept nagging us to 'eat your vegetables.' We hated the nagging, hated the vegetables, and did not fully realize how important vegetables were. If we had a choice, we would have taken the motherly love and free dinners without the nagging. Well, Windows will give us the motherly love and free meals and it won't nag us to eat our veggies. Trouble is, Windows will cause will also give use scurvy! We find out way too late that we need to be nagged. Concrete example. Under X, if there is a serious server error, we will get dumped out to the command line and presented with a cryptic message. Under Windows, we will instead be presented with a popup dialog asking us if we wish to continue. I have to agree with the previous poster that Windows is very forgiving of errors and Unix isn't. But that is a Good Thing. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 26 11:40:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in (theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.71.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AFCB837B8BC for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:40:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in) Received: (qmail 47744 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2000 18:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO theory3.physics.iisc.ernet.in) (qmailr@144.16.71.158) by theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in with SMTP; 26 Jun 2000 18:40:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 4843 invoked by uid 211); 26 Jun 2000 18:40:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 00:10:21 +0530 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: David Johnson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some questions re: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000627001021.B4789@physics.iisc.ernet.in> Mail-Followup-To: David Johnson , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG References: <85256907.0054D783.00@Deimos.smed.com> <39541EE8.EBD5BDDF@newsguy.com> <20000624092439.A31497@physics.iisc.ernet.in> <39579B45.9FAC1820@acuson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <39579B45.9FAC1820@acuson.com>; from djohnson@acuson.com on Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 11:04:53AM -0700 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.0-test2 i686 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Johnson said on Jun 26, 2000 at 11:04:53: > Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > > Daniel C. Sobral said on Jun 24, 2000 at 11:37:28: > > > > > * Because it isn't as forgiving of errors as Windows. > > > > I keep seeing this one and also "it's not as easy to administer as > > Windows". Both of which are nonsense (imo). Any unix has so many > > inbuilt safeguards that it's *much* more forgiving of errors than > > windows -- > > ... > > I think you sidestepped the point. Windows will forgive you of your > error and blithly go right ahead and destroy itself. Yes, I suppose that's what I really meant. The difference is "do your bidding and forgive you the error" versus "stop you shooting yourself in the foot and forgive you the error". Rahul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 26 11:44:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from web2005.mail.yahoo.com (web2005.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8280C37BBB8 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:44:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ihabhussein@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 17037 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2000 18:44:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20000626184431.17036.qmail@web2005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.179.153.11] by web2005.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:44:31 PDT Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:44:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Ihab Hussein Subject: Re: Some questions re: FreeBSD To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --- Marty Poulin wrote: > I agree. I recently took a 3-day crash course in Windows 2000 > administration, and I have to say that it's *scary*. If you don't > plan > properly, it's possible to sabotage your entire enterprise > unknowingly, > with one small design error. At least Unix gives you the flexibility > to > correct your mistakes down the road. This is _very_ interesting. Would you care for a couple of examples? This might be a very good point for advocating against Win2K. ===== -- Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? FreeBSD: Are you guys coming or what? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 30 2:26: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455EC37B7C9; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:26:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA77049; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:26:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:26:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Adrian Filipi-Martin Cc: Matt Heckaman , Anthony Chavez , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sick. Just sick. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: > > This looks like the artwork from a limited run "NetBSD-ality" a > couple of NetBSD guys were sporting at last years USENIX in Monterey. > Pretty funn, but I don't know if I would wear it in public or even in mixed > operating system crowds. ..or in front of Kirk (as happened at last year's USENIX :-) Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message