From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Oct 8 7:33:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 437A637B66C for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 07:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6702 invoked by alias); 8 Oct 2000 14:33:08 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-FreeBSD-advocacy@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 6683 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2000 14:33:07 -0000 Received: from badialup156.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.225.236.156) by slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 8 Oct 2000 14:33:07 -0000 Message-ID: <39E084A8.3D20844@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 08:28:56 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-newbies@freeBSD.org, FreeBSD-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Without BSD...(humor) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You know those Karl's Jr. commercials where the guy walks into a grocery store and stares blankly at a shelf of a hundred or so brands of bread? Now picture the same guy walking into a computer or software store, staring blankly at a shelf of Linux distributions.... 1. http://www.topology.org/linux.html#os 2. http://bsd.reedmedia.net/Distributions/ .."Without BSD, some people would use Windows!." -- FreeBSD = The Power to Serve ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Oct 8 8:35:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (pop3.pioneernet.net [208.240.196.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3F737B503 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 08:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wiegand.org [208.194.173.26] by pioneernet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.03) id A7F5330F014A; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 08:51:17 -0700 Message-ID: <39E09511.933D244@wiegand.org> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 08:38:57 -0700 From: Chip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freeBSD-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Without BSD...(humor) References: <39E084A8.3D20844@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Joe Warner wrote: > > You know those Karl's Jr. commercials where the guy > walks into a grocery store and stares blankly at a shelf > of a hundred or so brands of bread? > > Now picture the same guy walking into a computer or > software store, staring blankly at a shelf of Linux > distributions.... > > 1. http://www.topology.org/linux.html#os I recently sent an email to Cybermax regarding their software, which comes in linux and FBSD versions. The linux versions get updated often and the FBSD version is still using FBSD3.3. Here is te response to my email, part of the response - *quote begins here* We are not dropping our FreeBSD products, however, they are on a different development cycle than our Linux products and we do not currently have any updates available. --snipped some stuff about advertising in a bsd magazine-- As for linux and its splintering, it is a difficultly that we have to deal with, that is inherent in the birth of any new technology, but I think we will see some compression of this issue in the future. My guess is a lot of the current flavors will be absorbed into the more predominant distributions leaving only a couple of the strongest companies intact. * end quote * Maybe some of the -smaller- versions will go away, but what would that leave? Basically a linux version of Windows, since that appears to be where the big ones are going. They're getting bigger and fatter. I'll stick with BSD regardless of what the companys think we want. > > 2. http://bsd.reedmedia.net/Distributions/ > > .."Without BSD, some people would use Windows!." > > -- > > FreeBSD = The Power to Serve > ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Chip W. www.wiegand.org Alternative Operating Systems To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Oct 8 10:14: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E425137B66C for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27044 invoked by uid 1003); 8 Oct 2000 17:13:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 19:13:56 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Joe Warner Cc: FreeBSD-newbies@freeBSD.org, FreeBSD-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Without BSD...(humor) Message-ID: <20001008191356.A24008@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <39E084A8.3D20844@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <39E084A8.3D20844@uswest.net>; from jswarner@uswest.net on Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 08:28:56AM -0600 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun 2000-10-08 (08:28), Joe Warner wrote: > You know those Karl's Jr. commercials where the guy > walks into a grocery store and stares blankly at a shelf > of a hundred or so brands of bread? > > Now picture the same guy walking into a computer or > software store, staring blankly at a shelf of Linux > distributions.... > > 1. http://www.topology.org/linux.html#os A better list is at http://www.ldl.cx/ - Linux distribution list: ``The LDL currently holds 180 distributions - 9 added and 1 updated since last update'' Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Oct 8 16:42:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from citusc17.usc.edu (citusc17.usc.edu [128.125.38.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C023A37B503; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:42:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc17.usc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA36434; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:43:14 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: Joe Warner , FreeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Without BSD...(humor) Message-ID: <20001008164313.A36415@citusc17.usc.edu> References: <39E084A8.3D20844@uswest.net> <20001008191356.A24008@mithrandr.moria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001008191356.A24008@mithrandr.moria.org>; from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org on Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 07:13:56PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 07:13:56PM +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > On Sun 2000-10-08 (08:28), Joe Warner wrote: > > You know those Karl's Jr. commercials where the guy > > walks into a grocery store and stares blankly at a shelf > > of a hundred or so brands of bread? > > > > Now picture the same guy walking into a computer or > > software store, staring blankly at a shelf of Linux > > distributions.... > > > > 1. http://www.topology.org/linux.html#os > > A better list is at http://www.ldl.cx/ - Linux distribution list: > > ``The LDL currently holds 180 distributions - 9 added and 1 updated since > last update'' ..but since Linux isn't, of course, fragmented, this is all okay. :-) Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Oct 8 21:20:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BFDB537B502 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27915 invoked by alias); 9 Oct 2000 04:20:06 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 27903 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2000 04:20:05 -0000 Received: from badialup249.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.225.236.249) by slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 9 Oct 2000 04:20:05 -0000 Message-ID: <39E14679.E882989A@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 22:15:53 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd newbies , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: BSD Magazine Project (Update) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hope everybody had a good weekend... Here's a positive response I got from Daniel Dalarossa at >Dear Joe, >Very good to know that the BSD community is considering a >magazine dedicated to them. >We do support all BSD OSs in our products and would be interested in >advertising in such magazine. Please send us the conditions for the ADs. >Regards, >Daniel D ..Talk to you all tomorrow. Joe -- FreeBSD = The Power to Serve ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 9 22:40: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B645737B66E for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id WAA36249; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:40:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id DA5AA37B503; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20001010053628.DA5AA37B503@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:36:28 -0700 (PDT) From: kahya@techie.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: advocacy/21887: Security vunrebility found Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Number: 21887 >Category: advocacy >Synopsis: Security vunrebility found >Confidential: no >Severity: critical >Priority: high >Responsible: freebsd-advocacy >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: wish >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Oct 09 22:40:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Krish Ahya >Release: 4.1-STABLE >Organization: >Environment: [intel@marvin:~]$ uname -a FreeBSD marvin.shell-server.com 4.1.1-STABLE FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE #0: Mon Oct 2 10:14:58 CDT 2000 eo@marvin.shell-server.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/MARVINUPBRIEF i386 >Description: I've found a small security hole that allows other users on a bsd box to enter another user's home dir without any authentication.Well I am a user on this box and I found this accidentaly.Here is what happened and what I did. [intel@marvin:~]$ cd /home Ok, so, I enter /home and look at this. [intel@marvin:/home]$ ls acer/ danny/ hgcrew/ mazurr/ smorky/ action/ danut/ hidden/ mboyer/ sota/ ademko/ dds/ hqanime/ mcp/ spaz/ adrienne/ dewa/ infinity/ mxpx/ speed/ advert/ dimps/ intel/ naujik/ spider/ aljrooo7/ domreg/ ircd/ nebble/ spooky/ andrew/ drillaz/ isislight/ net-tech/ ssrev/ animehq/ dude/ jedi/ ocparty/ swilling/ apache/ eel/ jonza/ omr/ tef/ arcadia/ ellicit/ kakka/ paiakam/ tektonic/ argg/ enthrash/ karl/ pcmaster/ thor/ arity/ eo/ kirler/ penguin/ tkm/ azabel/ ertw/ kook/ picasso/ toril/ azor/ ervin/ koolzie/ polar/ traffic/ bcaldwel/ exes/ korn/ pollo/ triggzz/ bcentrl/ exorcist/ laan/ predator/ upz/ bhs/ farside/ ladybell/ proxy/ v2000/ bilange/ fastzoom/ lees01/ quake/ vcd/ bogus/ fei/ len/ quantum/ water/ brnt/ flash/ logg/ ram/ wheimeng/ bsd/ flea/ lpr/ rangeela/ winnie/ bubba1/ frosty/ luvhurt/ rattan/ woowoo/ cannibal/ ftp/ lynn/ rift/ xerox/ ceyx/ fusion/ macfarla/ rio/ xt-c/ char/ gameover/ madn0rp/ rodrigo/ zetro/ chris2u/ genxcess/ makaveli/ rolex/ zn/ chrome/ gilles/ manmower/ ryanh/ coolkizz/ goldsky/ mastas/ scp58/ cyrus/ hayz/ matt/ slvrdrgn/ Now I do this: [intel@marvin:/home]$ cd bcentrl [intel@marvin:/home/bcentrl]$ ls Whoa, I've just entered bcentrl's home dir and I'm not root! [intel@marvin:/home/bcentrl]$ ls Maildir/ report.tcl bots/ stormbot.tcl eggdrop1.3.27/ stormbot.tclstormbot.tclstormbot.tcl eggdrop1.3.27.tar This way, I can grab access to any files in that dir.I don't think this should be possible. Is there a possible fix for this?Maybe file permissions are set wrong?Any info would be helpful.Thank you. >How-To-Repeat: Not sure. >Fix: Not sure. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 9 22:46:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F187737B66C; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from alfred@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id WAA38935; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:46:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alfred@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:46:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200010100546.WAA38935@freefall.freebsd.org> To: kahya@techie.com, alfred@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: advocacy/21887: Security vunrebility found Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Synopsis: Security vunrebility found State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: alfred State-Changed-When: Mon Oct 9 22:46:27 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: user needs to read a book about unix permissions. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=21887 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 9 22:50: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADAD237B503 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id WAA40181; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010100550.WAA40181@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Cc: From: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: advocacy/21887: Security vunrebility found Reply-To: Kris Kennaway Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The following reply was made to PR advocacy/21887; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Kris Kennaway To: kahya@techie.com Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy/21887: Security vunrebility found Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:48:24 -0700 On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 10:36:28PM -0700, kahya@techie.com wrote: > I've found a small security hole that allows other users on a bsd box to enter another user's home dir without any authentication.Well I am a user on this box and I found this accidentaly.Here is what happened and what I did. [...] Yes, this is how file permissions work. Read up about 'chmod' Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 10 6:10:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-1.core.com (mx1.core.com [208.40.40.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF41637B66C; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 06:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gwb13 ([216.214.175.197]) by smtp-1.core.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G27U2R01.Z3K; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:13:39 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01c032bb$78f6fea0$0200a8c0@gwb13> From: "greg" To: "Joe Warner" Cc: , References: <39E300FE.3510B43E@uswest.net> Subject: Re: Mysterious URL Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:10:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Disposition-Notification-To: "greg" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Tim Fries address: 869 N. Scheurman Rd. #516 Essexville, MI 48732 US Admin contact: Fries, Timothy email: root@CHESTERKARMA.COM phone: 517 8951440 fax: Tech contact: DNS Administrator email: DNS@NAMESERVE.NET phone: fax: 425 6431477 Nameservers: ns1.nameserve.net ns2.nameserve.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Warner" To: "freebsd newbies" ; Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:43 AM Subject: Mysterious URL > Greetings, > > Does anybody know why this URL: > > http://www.ihatelinux.com/ > > ..authenticates to microsoft.com? > > I don't hate Linux but was just wondering who did this > and why. > > Cheers > > Joe > > > -- > > FreeBSD = The Power to Serve > ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 10 15:17:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C59537B503; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p30.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.30]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA409020; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:14:47 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00429; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:49:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:49:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Joe Warner Cc: freebsd newbies , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine Project (Update) In-Reply-To: <39E14679.E882989A@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > FreeBSD = The Power to Serve > ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! No offense intended, but I think our dear and noble OS doesnt need such slogans ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 10 15:40: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D889637B66F; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4E6A; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:43:06 -0700 Message-ID: <39E39A28.62A9F8F2@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:37:28 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heiko Recktenwald Cc: freebsd newbies , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [OT] Rock on! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > > > FreeBSD = The Power to Serve > > ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! > > No offense intended, but I think our dear and noble OS doesnt need > such slogans ;-) Oh but it does! When I come home at night and turn on my FreeBSD box, it pulls out an electric guitar, gets down and does a boogie across the floor. I swear I have Little Richard living in my harddrive :-) David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 10 16: 1:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3CF537B66C; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5398216201; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07714; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:01:22 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:01:02 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256974.007E4710 ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:59:17 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: Heiko Recktenwald Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd newbies , Joe Warner Message-Id: <85256974.007E46ED.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:01:52 -0600 Subject: Re: BSD Magazine Project (Update) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry, I'm keeping my signature. You're the first to criticize and I've sent out lot's of emails. No offense intended either. 8^) Joe |--------+-----------------------------> | | Heiko Recktenwald | | | | | | | | | 10/10/00 03:49 PM | | | | |--------+-----------------------------> >---------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: Joe Warner | | cc: freebsd newbies | | , | | freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, (bcc: Joe | | Warner/SMS) | | Subject: Re: BSD Magazine Project (Update) | >---------------------------------------------------------| > FreeBSD = The Power to Serve > ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! No offense intended, but I think our dear and noble OS doesnt need such slogans ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 10 16: 3:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE83337B503; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FFB1620F; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07818; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:03:25 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:03:16 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256974.007E7A45 ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:01:28 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: David Johnson Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd newbies , Heiko Recktenwald Message-Id: <85256974.007E7892.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:03:59 -0600 Subject: Re: [OT] Rock on! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I swear I have Little Richard living in my harddrive Mine plays RUSH! 8^) Joe |--------+-----------------------> | | David Johnson| | | | | | | | | 10/10/00 | | | 04:37 PM | | | | |--------+-----------------------> >---------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: Heiko Recktenwald | | | | cc: freebsd newbies | | , | | freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, (bcc: Joe | | Warner/SMS) | | Subject: [OT] Rock on! | >---------------------------------------------------------| Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > > > FreeBSD = The Power to Serve > > ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! > > No offense intended, but I think our dear and noble OS doesnt need > such slogans ;-) Oh but it does! When I come home at night and turn on my FreeBSD box, it pulls out an electric guitar, gets down and does a boogie across the floor. I swear I have Little Richard living in my harddrive :-) David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Oct 10 18:45:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72FEF37B66C; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p13.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.13]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA432448; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 03:42:43 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA00471; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 03:45:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 03:45:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: David Johnson Cc: freebsd newbies , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [OT] Rock on! In-Reply-To: <39E39A28.62A9F8F2@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > floor. I swear I have Little Richard living in my harddrive :-) Ok ;-) My idea was something like "less is more". Do we need an attitude like "Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft" ? Some things are clear to everybody, yes, it rocks, indeed, but those who dont want to know cant be helped.... Something like that. Well, I come from europe and the europeans are sometimes a little bit strange. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 11 9:36:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F5337B66C for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (scottj@localhost) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30142 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:36:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:36:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Scott X-Sender: scottj@pebkac.owp.csus.edu To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Including CDs with various hardware items Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We just purchased two Belkin KVM swithces. On the front there was a sticker : "Free Software Turbo Linux" blah, blah, blah I know someone else had mentioned this for some other product. Does anyone know how to FreeBSD CDs included with some of these items? --- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu The Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 11 10:56:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 925EE37B502 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from owp.csus.edu (rgripy@[130.86.77.19]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30770; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:55:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Message-ID: <39E4A86D.8824CCE6@owp.csus.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:50:37 -0700 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ignacio Cristerna Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Including CDs with various hardware items References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ignacio Cristerna wrote: > > We have been reading about these Linux CD´s and have been seeing a lot of > emails suggesting that FreeBSD.org (or whatever the Powers that be are > named)do the same. I think it´s time we, the FreeBSD supporters, do > something. I think we should contribute the cost of a CD (Whatever WC > charges for it) so that these CD´s may be included along with servers or > magazines. I think it would make sense to setup an account (or use WC´s own) > so that we outside of the US could use a credit card (It´s pretty cumbersome > to send a money order from Mexico to the US; those f****ing bureacrats!). We > are believers; we need to spread the message. After opening the box and looking at the CD I think there's more too this relationship that what's on the surface. The Turbo Linux CD included in the Belkin KVM was co-branded with "Belkin" labled clearly on the front of the CD sleave and the CD itself. The cost of dupping CDs in big numbers is probably not the largest problem, it's developing the relationship in the first place. One thing that might help increase the sight of the BSD banner is to call these companies that are including Linux and explain that you're happy to see them working together with Open Source OS vendors, but that you use BSD instead of Linux and would find an included BSD CD much more useful than a Linux CD. Now, where's Belkin's phone number...... -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu The Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 11 10:59: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DDD337B66C for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10197; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:58:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:58:50 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: Joseph Scott Cc: Ignacio Cristerna , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Including CDs with various hardware items Message-ID: <20001011135850.A10176@blackhelicopters.org> References: <39E4A86D.8824CCE6@owp.csus.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <39E4A86D.8824CCE6@owp.csus.edu>; from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu on Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 10:50:37AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 10:50:37AM -0700, Joseph Scott wrote: > One thing that might help increase the sight of the BSD banner is to > call these companies that are including Linux and explain that you're > happy to see them working together with Open Source OS vendors, but > that you use BSD instead of Linux and would find an included BSD CD > much more useful than a Linux CD. Or, possibly, leverage existing business connections. Do we have anyone from, say, Yahoo, on this list? Surely they have ties with a hardware vendor or two... ==ml -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 11 14:58:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02AF37B502; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish ([62.255.96.51]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20001011225713.NUWO23965.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@parish>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:57:13 +0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9BLwIU01530; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:58:18 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:58:17 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Heiko Recktenwald Cc: David Johnson , freebsd newbies , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] Rock on! Message-ID: <20001011225817.B258@parish> References: <39E39A28.62A9F8F2@acuson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de on Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 03:45:06AM +0200 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 03:45:06AM +0200, Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > > floor. I swear I have Little Richard living in my harddrive :-) > > Ok ;-) My idea was something like "less is more". Renault use that one, in the UK at least. > Do we need an attitude > like "Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft" ? > > Some things are clear to everybody, yes, it rocks, indeed, but those who > dont want to know cant be helped.... > > Something like that. > > Well, I come from europe and the europeans are sometimes a little bit > strange. > Speak for yourself :) > H. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 11 15:49: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E5A8C37B503 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 72132 invoked by uid 1003); 11 Oct 2000 22:48:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:48:59 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Mark Ovens Cc: Heiko Recktenwald , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] Rock on! Message-ID: <20001012004859.A64254@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <39E39A28.62A9F8F2@acuson.com> <20001011225817.B258@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001011225817.B258@parish>; from marko@freebsd.org on Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 10:58:17PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386 X-URL: http://mithrandr.moria.org/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed 2000-10-11 (22:58), Mark Ovens wrote: > > Well, I come from europe and the europeans are sometimes a little bit > > strange. > > > > Speak for yourself :) Hey, what you doing claiming to be European, Island Boy? ;) Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 11 19:24: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B3B437B502 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22690; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:22:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAA2uaGkS; Wed Oct 11 19:22:15 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA13034; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:23:46 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200010120223.TAA13034@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc inetd.conf To: jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com (Jordan Hubbard) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 02:23:45 +0000 (GMT) Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <15251.971315263@winston.osd.bsdi.com> from "Jordan Hubbard" at Oct 11, 2000 06:47:43 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ ... moved to advocacy ... ] > Custom is for people who don't want anything in their face, they know > exactly what they're doing and exactly what sysinstall is capable of > at any given time. If people are getting that confused by this then > I'll happily remove custom from the set of options and make all of you > go through the Standard installation whether you like it or not. :-) Speaking of doing something like this... What's the chance of including a Windows-based installer, and an Autorun.inf on the CDROM? Think about it: what's less "in your face" to a Windows user, than a Windows installer? I think the following would work... it would add a "Configure..." and an "Install..." to the right-button menu, when used on the FreeBSD CDROM. This assumes a "setup.exe" in the root of the CDROM drive, as well as just the Autorun.inf. It also assumes that the setup.exe has an icon in it, that icon 1 is the FreeBSD setup icon, and that the program can take the command line arguments "/AUTORUN", "/CONFIGURE", and "/INSTALL". You can leave these off, if they are identical. You can also add/remove right-button menu options, as you see fit. To do the disk manipulation, you will need to obtain a level 3, then a level 1 volume lock on the disk you want to manipulate; this should let you partition things. I'd actually suggest getting "Partition Magic" to provide a version for FreeBSD, or to fix file system stacking (same old rant, there) to permit a "test drive" version that boots from an entire FreeBSD system in "C:\FreeBSD\root", or if you don't insist on a seperate "/usr", swap, and so on, just "C:\FreeBSD". The partition magic approach would make it more likely that the user would leave FreeBSD alone, once installed. ------------------------------------------------------------------- [autorun] OPEN=setup.EXE /AUTORUN ICON=setup.EXE,1 shell\configure=&Configure... shell\configure\command=setup.EXE /CONFIGURE shell\install=&Install... shell\install\command=setup.EXE /INSTALL [ProductFeatures] Feature1=UNIXFiles [ProductInformation] ; Make up a product code; set the suffix to your ethernet address ; instead of 112233445566. Note: all digits are hex. ProductCode={00000000-0000-0000-0000-112233445566} DisplayName=FreeBSD 4.1.1 Version=4.1.1 ;Make this be 1 to do autorun even if the product is installed. AutorunIfInstalled=1 [InstallMSI] ;Make this be zero to aways suppress installing Windows installer InstMsi=0 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 11 20:34:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from wilma.widomaker.com (wilma.widomaker.com [204.17.220.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F0337B503; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [209.96.185.41] (helo=escape) by wilma.widomaker.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 13jZ7v-0000Yz-00; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:33:56 -0400 Received: from shannon by escape with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13jZ74-0004Gi-00; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:32:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:32:58 -0400 From: Shannon Hendrix To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: FreeBSD-newbies@freeBSD.org, FreeBSD-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Without BSD...(humor) Message-ID: <20001011233257.B14974@widomaker.com> Mail-Followup-To: Neil Blakey-Milner , FreeBSD-newbies@freeBSD.org, FreeBSD-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <39E084A8.3D20844@uswest.net> <20001008191356.A24008@mithrandr.moria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001008191356.A24008@mithrandr.moria.org>; from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org on Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 07:13:56PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 07:13:56PM +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > On Sun 2000-10-08 (08:28), Joe Warner wrote: > > You know those Karl's Jr. commercials where the guy > > walks into a grocery store and stares blankly at a shelf > > of a hundred or so brands of bread? > > > > Now picture the same guy walking into a computer or > > software store, staring blankly at a shelf of Linux > > distributions.... > > > > 1. http://www.topology.org/linux.html#os > > A better list is at http://www.ldl.cx/ - Linux distribution list: > > ``The LDL currently holds 180 distributions - 9 added and 1 updated since > last update'' I've been using Linux for a very long time, and I get more sick of the direction some people are taking it each year. Red Hat is both angel and devil. I think they have helped a lot, but I also think they have done a ton of damage. Mandrake has done a lot to create a distribution that installs nicely, and is attractive to new users. But they've also created a bloated mess that would make any admin cry. I can't speak for SuSE, but I did try it once and find little difference. I think wrapping up the mess in /etc/sysconfig with various UIs is a huge mistake, because that's basically what Windows is. Nothing wrong with a GUI wrapper, but I fear it is used an excuse to not fix the problems with normal administration. The tools I've seen are hard to use manually and with the GUIs (i.e. adminstering in different ways), and that's a disaster waiting to happen. I believe Debian and Slackware are more sane in that regard, but they are not dominant, and still suffer from the problems associated with C libraries, Gnome, etc. Maybe it will all work out, but it's all bad enough that you have to worry, a lot. No doubt the open source idea is still very young, and partly to blame. I've run BSD for years, but hardware issues kept me from putting it on my main box. Now I'm seriously considering it, even though my current Debian setup is very stable. I have tried to keep the system lean, but there are still over 130K files in /usr (yes, one hundred thirty thousand). I have a lot of apps installed, but they number under 100. It's the ton of themes, config files, libraries, and applets that come with the Gnome setup. Of course, that's a UNIX problem (no standard GUI system), but it seems worse on Linux than when I duplicate the setup on FreeBSD. I want Linux to start merging and think a single from source distribution should be created, just like the BSD systems. It's insane that we don't have that. Hopefully the BSD systems will fully benefit from the large library of software being created for Linux, and at the same time can influence the path Linux is taking. It needs help. -- UNIX/Perl/C/Pizza__________________________________shannon@widomaker.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 11 21:23:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6F037B502 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9C4NSX15862; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:23:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Terry Lambert Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc inetd.conf In-Reply-To: Message from Terry Lambert of "Thu, 12 Oct 2000 02:23:45 -0000." <200010120223.TAA13034@usr09.primenet.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:23:28 -0700 Message-ID: <15858.971324608@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > What's the chance of including a Windows-based installer, > and an Autorun.inf on the CDROM? You write one and I'll certainly look into integrating it into our distributions as an option. I don't write Windows code, myself... - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Oct 11 21:42:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (pop3.pioneernet.net [208.240.196.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B9637B66C; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wiegand.org [208.194.173.26] by pioneernet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.03) id A4FC1DC020E; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:58:36 -0700 Message-ID: <39E5415B.EDC0122E@wiegand.org> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:43:07 -0700 From: Chip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shannon Hendrix Cc: Neil Blakey-Milner , FreeBSD-newbies@freeBSD.org, FreeBSD-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Without BSD...(humor) References: <39E084A8.3D20844@uswest.net> <20001008191356.A24008@mithrandr.moria.org> <20001011233257.B14974@widomaker.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Shannon Hendrix wrote: > > * lots snipped * > > Hopefully the BSD systems will fully benefit from the large library of > software being created for Linux, and at the same time can influence the path > Linux is taking. It needs help. > BSD will run linux apps just fine, in fact, some say BSD runs Linux apps better or faster than Linux itself. I am running a couple Linux apps on my FBSD system because they are not available in a BSD port or package. I've none of them, or any BSD app, ever crash on me. -- Chip W. www.wiegand.org Alternative Operating Systems > -- > UNIX/Perl/C/Pizza__________________________________shannon@widomaker.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Oct 12 1:48:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C56737B66C; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p168.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.168]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA51642; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:45:10 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00717; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:21:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:21:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Mark Ovens Cc: David Johnson , freebsd newbies , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [OT] Rock on! In-Reply-To: <20001011225817.B258@parish> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Mark Ovens wrote: > > > floor. I swear I have Little Richard living in my harddrive :-) > > > > Ok ;-) My idea was something like "less is more". > > Renault use that one, in the UK at least. This is Bauhaus, Gropius etc, "modern style" ;-) H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Oct 12 20:52:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26BF937B502; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) id e9D3plI03460; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:21:47 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:21:47 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: David William Bryson Cc: FreeBSD advocacy list Subject: Re: installfest Message-ID: <20001013132147.O2593@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <39E633FD.378A758C@ubertechnique.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <39E633FD.378A758C@ubertechnique.com>; from deibhaid@ubertechnique.com on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 01:58:21PM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [following up to -advocacy] On Thursday, 12 October 2000 at 13:58:21 -0800, David William Bryson wrote: > Dear freeBSD, > > I am the vice-president for the UAFLUG(University of Fairbanks, > Alaska http://linux0.cs.uaf.edu) and I was wondering if it would be > possible to obtain some advertising/promotional merchandise from freeBSD > for our upcoming installfest. Definitely! > I am not positive whether freeBSD is actually a commercial group, or > just a product of the open source movement. FreeBSD is Open Source, but it predates the Open Source Movement. Check out http://www.FreeBSD.org/ for more details. > I for one would be interested in learning more about it. As always > it would be mutually benefecial for both sides. We end up having > material to provide and you end up getting some nice advertisement. I'm forwarding this message to FreeBSD-advocacy, who should be able to help you more. I'm pretty sure we can get you some CD-ROMs to give away. How many would you need? > Thank you for your time. > > UAF Linux User's Group > Box 91 Wood Center SAO > University of Alaska Fairbanks > Fairbanks, AK 99775 > USA Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Oct 12 22:48:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288F437B502 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) id e9D5m4i03999; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:18:04 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:18:04 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: David William Bryson Cc: FreeBSD advocacy list Subject: Installfest (was: freebsd) Message-ID: <20001013151804.W2593@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <39E633FD.378A758C@ubertechnique.com> <20001013132147.O2593@wantadilla.lemis.com> <39E69E5B.53349AC3@ubertechnique.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <39E69E5B.53349AC3@ubertechnique.com>; from deibhaid@ubertechnique.com on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 09:32:11PM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 12 October 2000 at 21:32:11 -0800, David William Bryson wrote: Don't send this just to me or you may never get another reply. I'm putting the -advocacy people back on the list. >> FreeBSD is Open Source, but it predates the Open Source Movement. >> Check out http://www.FreeBSD.org/ for more details. >> >> I'm forwarding this message to FreeBSD-advocacy, who should be able to >> help you more. I'm pretty sure we can get you some CD-ROMs to give >> away. How many would you need? > > Well 4 or 5 cd's would be great. I could download and burn > some here. Companies are able to spare items in order to advertise. > When there are open source distributions that are not integrated > into companies I burn the cds myself. I appreciate your > correspondence and offer of aid. We can probably send you as many CDs as you reasonably think you can get rid of--you won't need to burn them yourself. Based on my experience of Installfests, don't expect more than about 10% of the number of Linux CDs you can give away. Do you have an idea what that number might be? Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Oct 12 23:32:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sombra.dhs.org (47-116.bartlett.uaf.edu [137.229.47.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612AB37B503 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ubertechnique.com (IDENT:deibhaid@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sombra.dhs.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9D6Z0t11781; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:35:00 -0800 Message-ID: <39E6AD14.8D84766@ubertechnique.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:35:00 -0800 From: David William Bryson Organization: Arctic Fox Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: FreeBSD advocacy list Subject: Installfest References: <39E633FD.378A758C@ubertechnique.com> <20001013132147.O2593@wantadilla.lemis.com> <39E69E5B.53349AC3@ubertechnique.com> <20001013151804.W2593@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > We can probably send you as many CDs as you reasonably think you can > get rid of--you won't need to burn them yourself. Based on my > experience of Installfests, don't expect more than about 10% of the > number of Linux CDs you can give away. Do you have an idea what that > number might be? University of Fairbanks Alaska is a smaller university, so I would hope for about 8 freeBSD cd's. I think any more than that amount might go to waste. I am sure that we could get rid of that many and I think that is a somewhat reasonable number. I have heard various people in the uaflug mentioning how they would like to try running freebsd. -- . / V\ David William Bryson / ` / Arctic Fox Technology << | (907) 452-1199 / | http://www.ubertechnique.com / | http://mod0.cs.uaf.edu/~deibhaid/ / | / \ \ / ( ) | | ________| _/_ | | <__________\______)\__) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 13 3: 4:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from el.com.br (srv01.el.com.br [200.217.18.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0B137B502 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 03:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from el.com.br (srv02.el.com.br [200.217.18.163]) by el.com.br (el_mail_server) with ESMTP id DCA2F1889 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:04:34 -0200 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E6DE38.715BCE5C@el.com.br> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:04:40 -0200 From: "Paiva, Gilson de" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Without BSD...(humor) References: <39E084A8.3D20844@uswest.net> <20001008191356.A24008@mithrandr.moria.org> <20001011233257.B14974@widomaker.com> <39E5415B.EDC0122E@wiegand.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chip wrote: > > Shannon Hendrix wrote: > > > > * lots snipped * > > > > Hopefully the BSD systems will fully benefit from the large library of > > software being created for Linux, and at the same time can influence the path > > Linux is taking. It needs help. > > > BSD will run linux apps just fine, in fact, some say BSD runs > Linux > apps better or faster than Linux itself. I am running a couple > Linux > Maybe this is an off topic to this list but here it goes... I've been trying to run a linux software that controls a brazilian nobreak and it fails to initialize saying that a "lock operation" is not supported on that serial device. The software vendor doesn't release the code of its application, so I can't, nor I'm able to, look what is going on there. On the same machine, Linux runs it nicely, so that's a hint that indicates a imperfection in the Linux emulation module FreeBSD is running. There is a module for this hardware at "The Nut Project" ( http://www.exploits.org/nut/ ), but again it doesn't work. People who wrote it are unfamiliar with the *BSD world and just give me tips like " Are you sure the serial cable is correctly attached ...". The solution is, in my opinion, run the software on a FreeBSD box, instead of having a Linux just for doing this. Any idea of how do I get this working? PS: My FreeBSD boxes are 4.1.1 Stable and Linux base 6.1. > apps on my FBSD system because they are not available in a BSD > port or > package. I've none of them, or any BSD app, ever crash on me. > > -- > Chip W. > www.wiegand.org > Alternative Operating Systems > > > -- > > UNIX/Perl/C/Pizza__________________________________shannon@widomaker.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paiva, Gilson de Domingos Martins mailto:npd@el.com.br Brazil http://www.el.com.br/ E&L Producoes de Software http://www.FreeBSD.org/ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Oct 14 13: 6:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (mail1.rdc3.on.home.com [24.2.9.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18AFE37B503 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatts ([24.43.229.84]) by mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001014200617.CXRA29825.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@gatts> for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:06:17 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c03619$fd381fd0$54e52b18@gatts> From: "toasty" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:38:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C03544.C7D42030" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C03544.C7D42030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C03544.C7D42030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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