From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Nov 5 4:40:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF1437B479; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 04:40:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA94596; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:40:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: David Johnson Cc: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" , "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" , "'freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Potential Advertisers) References: <39DB891F.4B09AB1A@acuson.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 05 Nov 2000 13:40:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: David Johnson's message of "Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:46:39 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Johnson writes: > Speaking of Kylix, this just reminded me. The Kylix interface will be > Qt, and so will Opera's. I recall in a interview somewhere that Opera is > going to be ported to FreeBSD (and every other Unix) shortly after the > official release of the Linux version because "all we have to do is > recompile". Someone should contact Opera, as well as Trolltech. Hmm, I got a job offer from Opera a couple of months back, they wanted me to work on (amongst other things) Unix porting. Unfortunately, I had to turn that offer down as I didn't want to quit my current job. I cant tell you it was not easy to turn that offer down :( The Opera for Linux beta is quite usable, though it segfaults a lot (at least on FreeBSD). Opera is the only (relatively) sane graphical browser I know of, so I'm very anxious to see a Unix version ship. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Nov 5 4:44:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2B837B4CF for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 04:44:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA94607; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:44:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Terry Lambert Cc: will@physics.purdue.edu, wyldephyre2@yahoo.com (Haikal Saadh), advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CounterStrike References: <200011032323.QAA15469@usr08.primenet.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 05 Nov 2000 13:44:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: Terry Lambert's message of "Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:23:34 +0000 (GMT)" Message-ID: Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert writes: > > > One thing that does suck about games under FreeBSD is that you need to > > > buy Open Sound System. (Unless you want to reinstall it every 30 days). > > What are you talking about? `device pcm' works fine for me under > > 4.1-STABLE and has always. > Your device pcm has the FreeBSD sound card API. Bollocks. It implements the OSS API, or at least tries to. If something doesn't work, submit a PR or, even better, patches, instead of just bitching and spreading disinformation. > Most games require a specific sound card API. This API is supported > natively in Linux, but FreeBSD does not support this API. To use > this API, you must have third party (OSS) sound card drivers, or > modify FreeBSD's API. When you suggest this to the sound driver > people, they tend to get belligerant and talk about how their API > is better than the Linux API. Not true. Have you even talked to Cameron about this? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Nov 5 7:10:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from garm.bart.nl (garm.bart.nl [194.158.170.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A6937B681 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 07:10:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (root@daemon.ninth-circle.org [195.38.210.81]) by garm.bart.nl (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eA5FATQ78268; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 16:10:30 +0100 (CET) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eA5FASQ90273; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 16:10:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 16:10:28 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: Terry Lambert , "bp @ freebsd . org Ignacio Cristerna" , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installation: what to (not) do about it Message-ID: <20001105161028.F48312@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <24441.973306588@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <24441.973306588@winston.osd.bsdi.com>; from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com on Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 06:56:28PM -0800 Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20001104 04:01], Jordan Hubbard (jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) wrote: >> o I'll fix the VFS stacking code; I've had working stacking >> without cache coherency problems sinmce 1996, the last > >That would be fine. You'll have to work with the other VFS folks, of >course, since nobody gets carte blanche to play lone ranger in the >code base and that's something that we all, including myself and >anyone else with a committer's hat, has to live with. Boris Popov has actually been working already on fixing stacking layers. AFAIK he is actually pretty far, aside from bumping into some locking issues. -- Jeroen Ruigrok vd Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|bart.nl|freebsd.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder BSD: Technical excellence at its best The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project In my mind nothing makes sense... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Nov 5 11:23:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA5237B4D7 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 11:23:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eA5JMrI87811; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 11:22:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Terry Lambert , "bp @ freebsd . org Ignacio Cristerna" , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installation: what to (not) do about it In-Reply-To: Message from Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai of "Sun, 05 Nov 2000 16:10:28 +0100." <20001105161028.F48312@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 11:22:53 -0800 Message-ID: <87806.973452173@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -On [20001104 04:01], Jordan Hubbard (jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) wrote: > >> o I'll fix the VFS stacking code; I've had working stacking > >> without cache coherency problems sinmce 1996, the last > > > >That would be fine. You'll have to work with the other VFS folks, of > >course, since nobody gets carte blanche to play lone ranger in the > >code base and that's something that we all, including myself and > >anyone else with a committer's hat, has to live with. > > Boris Popov has actually been working already on fixing stacking layers. Which is an excellent reason for coordinating this kind of work. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Nov 5 21:50:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay.butya.kz (butya-gw.butya.kz [212.154.129.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A7937B4C5 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 21:50:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by relay.butya.kz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 69D392874E; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:50:06 +0600 (ALMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.butya.kz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8CA28688; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:50:06 +0600 (ALMT) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:50:06 +0600 (ALMT) From: Boris Popov To: Terry Lambert Cc: Jordan Hubbard , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installation: what to (not) do about it In-Reply-To: <200011031440.HAA16097@usr02.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Terry Lambert wrote: > o I'll fix the VFS stacking code; I've had working stacking > without cache coherency problems sinmce 1996, the last > time I tried to submit the patches, and the PTB insisted > I dumb them down to the point that they then could complain > that the changes were gratuitous because they didn't have > the vision to keep their eyes on the goal instead of the > process. Could you point me at them ? > o I'll provide specfs changes to support clone devices; I > won't go so far as to force ytou to take the other changes > I've made in this area (I currently run without a struct > fileops, and specfs no longer exists, on one of my research > systems; it lets me do things like change ownership on > sockets and named pipes, like SVR4 and Linux can, and BSD > can't -- but I won't force you to take that code). You > will have to accept the cloning pty implementation sample > code as part of this, so that I can be assured that no one > will break things before the next phase is complete. Interesting. At the moment I'm trying to separate specfs vnodes from filesystem which refers to device using stacked techniques (which are now have native support in the VFS). This eliminates some weird code, but currently I'm got stuck with correct locking of vnodes in the stack. > o I'll fix the root partition vs. mounted FS distinction > abstraction, and move the mount overlay to higher level > code, so that it isn't being duplicated per VFS, as it is > now (and being omitted in some, making it impossible to > boot from those partitions). Also, interesting. Seeing even preliminary patches should shed some light. > I would be doing this at pretty high opportunity cost, since my time > is currently valued at around $120/hr, after taxes. Wow :) -- Boris Popov http://www.butya.kz/~bp/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Nov 6 13:23:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CA037B4D7 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 13:23:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id eA6LNqM10184 ; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:23:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id WAA74549 ; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:23:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:23:51 +0100 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any artists interested in doing a FreeBSD animated GIF banner? Message-ID: <20001106222351.F68033@lpt.ens.fr> References: <24460.973306717@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <24460.973306717@winston.osd.bsdi.com>; from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com on Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 06:58:37PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan Hubbard said on Nov 3, 2000 at 18:58:37: > > I'm interested in giving it a shot, but what about the GIF patent > > issue -- paying royalties to Unisys if one uses unlicensed software > > like the Gimp, and so on? > > That seems to have been a tempest in a teapot. I wouldn't particularly > worry about it since nobody else appears to be doing that in the banner > ads I'm seeing. OK here's a rough version. Suggestions welcome, also if someone wants to pick it up and take it further that's even more welcome, since I don't have very much free time these days. http://www.lpt.ens.fr/~rsidd/freebsd.gif http://www.lpt.ens.fr/~rsidd/freebsd.xcf (Gimp format, larger size) Rahul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Nov 6 14:21:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D92437B4CF for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:21:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27373; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:17:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAi5aih1; Mon Nov 6 15:17:43 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA22673; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:20:48 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200011062220.PAA22673@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Installation: what to (not) do about it To: jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com (Jordan Hubbard) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:20:48 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), ignacioc@avantel.net (Ignacio Cristerna), freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <24441.973306588@winston.osd.bsdi.com> from "Jordan Hubbard" at Nov 03, 2000 06:56:28 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ ... Jordan's "white paper" on a new installer ... ] > And yet you jump in and say it was inadequate when you admit you > haven't even read it in detail. Hmmmmmm. FWIW, I do talk about > ugrades in the paper and how to make them reversible and less > potentially destructive since a lot of the barriers to a successful > upgrade experience come from justifiable user fears about what happens > if the process goes wrong on a production system. The software isn't severable, and it's not layered. If the NetBSD rc files go in, then you will have a talking point. This reminds me of the IBCS2 compatability: it's more than just an issue of having a partial answer; it's not useful to think that all that is needed is a new install. Without the ability to drop new code in painlessly, all that will have happened is a rearrangement of deck chairs. The big turning point will be when you can drop in a replacement for sendmail/qmail/postfix/whatever, easily, quickly, and most important of all, reversibly. > > I've tried doing code for FreeBSD before; other than trivial > > things that it takes zero brains to understand, most of my > > stuff hasn't made it past the commit filters, who insist on > > being educated about everything, and appear to be unwilling to > > go to college to get that education. > > This explanation just doesn't cut it, Terry, not did it cut it the > last 5 or so times you used it. Many people seem to get past the > "commit filters" just fine and perhaps the real answer is that they > have a degree of perserverance and committment to achiving their goals > that you simply lack. But we'll discuss that more in detail below. Oh horse puckey. People dislike change that they don't understand, and it doesn't matter that the code works. A number of very bright people have been chased away from FreeBSD over the years due to ego being more important to some people than good code. The term for this is "AI" -- Artificial Importance. John Dyson is one example, and Matt Dillon was almost another, when he was producing code faster than people could pee on it to make it smell like them. The list is actually fairly long. > You seem to have this "thing" about the softupdates code which is > entirely out of proportion to the actual reality. The reality is that > Kirk allowed us to incorporate the code into FreeBSD and which meant > that people could read it and hack on it, a significant part of those > fundamenal goals I mentioned. The code wasn't initially free for > "commercial use", though CD releases and a fairly broad spectrum of > "commercial" activities were in fact allowed, but it was a bolt-on > option which any user could freely use on a personal basis and many > did. Those who didn't want to comply with the selective-use license > simply didn't enable softupdates and their overall "FreeBSD > experience" was not adversely impacted by this. That's why we felt > that the trade-off, and one we did indeed debate rather seriously > first, was worth it. The restrictive license was a requirement placed there by Whistle when they funded the developement under FreeBSD. It was intended to get rid of the UPS in the InterJet II. I was the one who pushed for the technology. Kirk was contractually obligated to an exclusive license for a period of time, to let Whistle recoup its R&D investment, before opening up the code. > What you were describing was a body of code for which the source code > would NOT be available and to which people could not make general > improvements. Not only that, but the overall "FreeBSD experience" > would be substantially different for people using that installer from > the point of their very first contact with the OS, a very different > kettle of fish than soft updates which are essentially invisible to > the naked eye (for 99.9% of what pass for "average users"). It is a > complete mystery to me how you can fail to see the difference or even > draw a parallel between the two technologies with a straight face. I find it amazing that you call for a new installer, and then cry foul when it doesn't appear on your terms. I explicitly stated that the person wanting to do the work would release the source after a period of one year, during which time they would recoup their investment by being the sole source for a FreeBSD with the improved installer. I seem to remember that FreeBSD started out with proprietary bits in its installer. > > I fully understand the desire to link the installer source code to > > use of the FreeBSD trademark, but I think that desire is contrary > > to the long term best interests of FreeBSD. > > The Caldera installer, which many people have drawn parallels to, is > completely free and can be ftp'd from their site. Judging by the > extreme number of similarities in the Red Hat installer, it also > appears likely that at least one other major Linux vendor did exactly > that. I therefore find it difficult to swallow your argument that an > insistence on it being freely available is something which would be an > absolute barrier to entry for any next-generation graphical installer. > The empirical evidence available hardly supports such an assertion. You yourself stated that it's hard work. Even the funding that Walnut Creek put into getting a new installer written didn't result in a new installer. So you want someone to do the work? Well, it's probably not going to happen unless someone is paid to do the job, one way or the other -- if not as an employee of Walnut Creek, then as someone who can sell CDROMs, most likely pressed by WC, based on the value people place on the packaging. > > I am merely pointing out that it has been much longer than > > a year without a new installer, and had their terms been agreed to > > a year agao, FreeBSD would have its installer source code today, and > > under the terms you are insisting upon, up front. > > And this is speculation masquerading as fact. You have no sure way of > knowing that this would, in fact, have occurred or that "two FreeBSDs" > would have even been widely accepted by the project contributors or > the user community. I see it as far more likely that your mysterious > commercial benefactors would have been deluged with demands that they > open source their product immediately so that people could customize > it and this might in turn have led to a siege mentality on their part > and very poor results. You simply have no way of knowing for sure > what you claim as fact above. There's a dozen commercial Linux distributions. The main source of product differentiation is the out of the box user experience. FreeBSD users, as a lot, are not opposed to commercialization; the most rabid "give us your source code now!" advocates are in the Linux community, and even they tolerate companies like Caldera shipping part of their distribution as binary only. I don't think FreeBSD would be harmed by having as many people using it as use Linux. The number of distributions is very much to credit with the Linux popularity and numbers of users, as well as buy-in from large companies. > > can't -- but I won't force you to take that code). You > > will have to accept the cloning pty implementation sample > > code as part of this, so that I can be assured that no one > > will break things before the next phase is complete. > > As long as that doesn't break all the clients of PTYs (and there is > the long-standing and classic problem of how PTYs are allocated by > walking vs a true PTY allocation mechanism), I'm sure nobody would > argue with that either. It can live side-by-side with the existing allocation mechanism, so old code won't have to change. But new code should use the library abstraction, so it shouldn't matter. > > So now it's your turn to "put up or shut up"; I _can't_ expend the > > effort on these things without a guarantee that that effort will > > not be wasted, like it was last time I spent the effort on these > > and similar projects on behalf of FreeBSD. I _can't_ afford to > > Like I've told you many times, Terry, nobody gets a "guarantee" of > anything in this project since it's not a kitchen appliance dealership > which hands out limited customer guarantees along with every frigidair > they sell. What you get is the chance to deal with a large group of > people and try, through dint of effort and perserverance, to sell them > on your ideas and (more importantly) your working code. Even if I > wanted to change this as part of "putting up or shutting up" for you I > could not since it's not in my power to beam hypno-rays directly into > the brains of several hundred people and get them all to agree up > front to buy a used car from you. That's something that you, and only > you, can do. Same deal *everyone* else gets. In short, this is life, > deal with it. It would be nice if the project would publish a roadmap indicating what it wants from developers, so that they don't end up spending an incredible amount of effort, only to find themselves stonewalled later. If the project would at least publish an architectural roadmap for even only six months ahead, I think it would help to commit more people to expending the necessary effort to see to those goals. Clearly, the "SMPng" work is one goal that's pretty widely known, thanks to Jason Evans and others publishing their direction; if the project could be that forthcoming in other areas, then there would be a "guarantee" that, even if the work was ultimately rejected, at least you could know that you were travelling in the right direction, instead of getting to your goal, only to have the project say "that's nice, but that's not where we are headed". At least put up some street signs. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Nov 6 14:23:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1D737B4C5 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:23:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 564A15730D; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:23:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:23:57 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any artists interested in doing a FreeBSD animated GIF banner? Message-ID: <20001106162357.E5661@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" References: <24460.973306717@winston.osd.bsdi.com> <20001106222351.F68033@lpt.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001106222351.F68033@lpt.ens.fr>; from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in on Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 10:23:51PM +0100 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 10:23:51PM +0100, Rahul Siddharthan scribbled: | OK here's a rough version. Suggestions welcome, also if someone | wants to pick it up and take it further that's even more welcome, | since I don't have very much free time these days. | | http://www.lpt.ens.fr/~rsidd/freebsd.gif | http://www.lpt.ens.fr/~rsidd/freebsd.xcf (Gimp format, larger size) Perhaps the white background on the middle to right part is a little "plain." Have you thought of adding colors/pixmaps instead of white backgrounds? -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Nov 6 14:46: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6C437B4D7 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:45:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19253; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:46:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAXqaGCL; Mon Nov 6 15:46:17 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA23717; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:45:40 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200011062245.PAA23717@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: CounterStrike To: des@ofug.org (Dag-Erling Smorgrav) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:45:40 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), will@physics.purdue.edu, wyldephyre2@yahoo.com (Haikal Saadh), advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Dag-Erling Smorgrav" at Nov 05, 2000 01:44:02 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > One thing that does suck about games under FreeBSD is that you need to > > > > buy Open Sound System. (Unless you want to reinstall it every 30 days). > > > What are you talking about? `device pcm' works fine for me under > > > 4.1-STABLE and has always. > > Your device pcm has the FreeBSD sound card API. > > Bollocks. It implements the OSS API, or at least tries to. If > something doesn't work, submit a PR or, even better, patches, instead > of just bitching and spreading disinformation. It has been my experience that the FreeBSD drivers don't work for some shoot-em-up games. > > Most games require a specific sound card API. This API is supported > > natively in Linux, but FreeBSD does not support this API. To use > > this API, you must have third party (OSS) sound card drivers, or > > modify FreeBSD's API. When you suggest this to the sound driver > > people, they tend to get belligerant and talk about how their API > > is better than the Linux API. > > Not true. Have you even talked to Cameron about this? I haven't. I suppose I ought to, though, but that would mean I'd have to reinstall the games that didn't work without OSS before, to make sure that I'm talking about the most recent code, in FreeBSD 4.1. Are you sure you don't have to run current for it to work with FreeBSD's native drivers? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Nov 6 14:49:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ABB237B479 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:49:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eA6MniI66531; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:49:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Terry Lambert Cc: ignacioc@avantel.net (Ignacio Cristerna), freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installation: what to (not) do about it In-Reply-To: Message from Terry Lambert of "Mon, 06 Nov 2000 22:20:48 GMT." <200011062220.PAA22673@usr08.primenet.com> Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 14:49:44 -0800 Message-ID: <66527.973550984@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The software isn't severable, and it's not layered. If the > NetBSD rc files go in, then you will have a talking point. No relevance to the current point. A proper upgrade issue will take advantage of such abstractions where they exist and whap over them with a blunt object where they do not. There will never be enough "layers" to make an upgrade totally painless and a mixture of both approaches will always, to some degree, be necessary. > The restrictive license was a requirement placed there by Whistle > when they funded the developement under FreeBSD. I've heard this story differently and with Sun involved, but no matter as it's a petty point. > I seem to remember that FreeBSD started out with proprietary bits > in its installer. Your memory is flawed. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Nov 6 14:54:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9450C37B479 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:54:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eA6MrwI66572; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:53:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Terry Lambert Cc: ignacioc@avantel.net (Ignacio Cristerna), freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installation: what to (not) do about it In-Reply-To: Message from Terry Lambert of "Mon, 06 Nov 2000 22:20:48 GMT." <200011062220.PAA22673@usr08.primenet.com> Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 14:53:58 -0800 Message-ID: <66568.973551238@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Clearly, the "SMPng" work is one goal that's pretty widely known, > thanks to Jason Evans and others publishing their direction; if > the project could be that forthcoming in other areas, then there Roadmaps are produced by people with the time and energy to write roadmaps. One of the reasons SMPng is going so well is that we paid to fly a bunch of people to a kick-off meeting and get them working more cohesively together and then we continued to pay the manager of the project to do it on a full-time basis. Management is pretty important where the generation and implementation of roadmap documents is concerned and it's as hard to get it done on a purely volunteer basis as it is to get companies to pay for it in all the areas it needs done. I'd love to see more management and more roadmaps but I've also learned to live with the fact that there will never be as much of either as I or most anyone else would like. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Nov 6 14:58:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DD337B4F9 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:58:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08652; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:54:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAj6ayxl; Mon Nov 6 15:47:09 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA23840; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:50:55 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200011062250.PAA23840@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Installation: what to (not) do about it To: asmodai@wxs.nl (Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:50:54 +0000 (GMT) Cc: jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com (Jordan Hubbard), tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), ignacioc@avantel.net (bp @ freebsd . org Ignacio Cristerna), freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20001105161028.F48312@daemon.ninth-circle.org> from "Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai" at Nov 05, 2000 04:10:28 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Boris Popov has actually been working already on fixing stacking layers. > > AFAIK he is actually pretty far, aside from bumping into some locking > issues. How is he handling the cache coherency issue caused by having two vmobject_t's? Getting mmap() to work is a bit of a chore. Is his stuff available for download anywhere? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Nov 6 16:37:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914A137B479 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:37:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12412; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:33:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAKRayQk; Mon Nov 6 17:13:01 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA26447; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:16:44 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200011070016.RAA26447@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Installation: what to (not) do about it To: jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com (Jordan Hubbard) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 00:16:11 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), ignacioc@avantel.net (Ignacio Cristerna), freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <66527.973550984@winston.osd.bsdi.com> from "Jordan Hubbard" at Nov 06, 2000 02:49:44 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The software isn't severable, and it's not layered. If the > > NetBSD rc files go in, then you will have a talking point. > > No relevance to the current point. A proper upgrade issue will take > advantage of such abstractions where they exist and whap over them > with a blunt object where they do not. There will never be enough > "layers" to make an upgrade totally painless and a mixture of both > approaches will always, to some degree, be necessary. That's a silly statement. > > I seem to remember that FreeBSD started out with proprietary bits > > in its installer. > > Your memory is flawed. 386BSD 0.1. FreeBSD 1.0 had an aggregation copyright; you could download it, but not burn and sell your own, because of this. This was later relaxed. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 7 0:39: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C7F37B479 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 00:39:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eA78cbI68938; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 00:38:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Terry Lambert Cc: ignacioc@avantel.net (Ignacio Cristerna), freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installation: what to (not) do about it In-Reply-To: Message from Terry Lambert of "Tue, 07 Nov 2000 00:16:11 GMT." <200011070016.RAA26447@usr08.primenet.com> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 00:38:37 -0800 Message-ID: <68934.973586317@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > That's a silly statement. Must... restrain... retort of death... > 386BSD 0.1. FreeBSD 1.0 had an aggregation copyright; you could > download it, but not burn and sell your own, because of this. > This was later relaxed. This has nothing to do with the installer paid for by Walnut Creek CDROM, which was the entire point of our discussion, since FreeBSD 1.0's installation tool was a shell script written by, among others, Rod Grimes. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 7 2:12:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4263137B4D7 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 02:12:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA46883; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:12:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Terry Lambert Cc: will@physics.purdue.edu, wyldephyre2@yahoo.com (Haikal Saadh), advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CounterStrike References: <200011062245.PAA23717@usr08.primenet.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 07 Nov 2000 11:12:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: Terry Lambert's message of "Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:45:40 +0000 (GMT)" Message-ID: Lines: 26 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert writes: > It has been my experience that the FreeBSD drivers don't work > for some shoot-em-up games. Some games have bugs that have audible manifestations on FreeBSD but not on Linux, probably because FreeBSD follows the spec instead of emulating OSS or Linux bug for bug. > > > When you suggest this to the sound driver > > > people, they tend to get belligerant and talk about how their API > > > is better than the Linux API. > > Not true. Have you even talked to Cameron about this? > I haven't. In that case, I wonder what basis you have for claiming the he grows belligerent when asked about OSS compatibility. > Are you sure you don't have to run current for it to work with > FreeBSD's native drivers? Pretty sure, as the -STABLE drivers are (mostly) in synch with the -CURRENT drivers. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 7 5:15:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D358B37B4C5 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 05:15:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA06856; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 06:12:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAcBa4qn; Tue Nov 7 06:12:03 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA17650; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 06:15:20 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200011071315.GAA17650@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: CounterStrike To: des@ofug.org (Dag-Erling Smorgrav) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:15:20 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), will@physics.purdue.edu, wyldephyre2@yahoo.com (Haikal Saadh), advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Dag-Erling Smorgrav" at Nov 07, 2000 11:12:17 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > It has been my experience that the FreeBSD drivers don't work > > for some shoot-em-up games. > > Some games have bugs that have audible manifestations on FreeBSD but > not on Linux, probably because FreeBSD follows the spec instead of > emulating OSS or Linux bug for bug. Ah. > > > > When you suggest this to the sound driver > > > > people, they tend to get belligerant and talk about how their API > > > > is better than the Linux API. > > > Not true. Have you even talked to Cameron about this? > > I haven't. > > In that case, I wonder what basis you have for claiming the he grows > belligerent when asked about OSS compatibility. I'm sure it wasn't Cameron who was upset; I just assumed that since the person sent back a belligerant note, that I must have insulted his personal code by asking the question. I'll try to find the original I sent, and the response, but I'll only be able to paraphrase the response, as it was not sent to the same list, but was sent as private email. It's not a big priority for me to do this, but I will give it some effort. > > Are you sure you don't have to run current for it to work with > > FreeBSD's native drivers? > > Pretty sure, as the -STABLE drivers are (mostly) in synch with the > -CURRENT drivers. What about -RELEASE? That's typically what I run. Unfortunately, the 4.1.1 stuff is not very stable on my Multia, and I tend to stick with the same release everywhere I can. The particular machine I'm typing this from is an SMP box, and I haven''t moved to SMPng, so 4.1 is my cross machine platform of choice right now. I don't even care very much about the issue, since I only loaded some games at one point in time to impress my dad. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 7 5:21:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3EE37B479 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 05:21:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA48673; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:21:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Terry Lambert Cc: will@physics.purdue.edu, wyldephyre2@yahoo.com (Haikal Saadh), advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CounterStrike References: <200011071315.GAA17650@usr06.primenet.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 07 Nov 2000 14:21:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: Terry Lambert's message of "Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:15:20 +0000 (GMT)" Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert writes: > > > Are you sure you don't have to run current for it to work with > > > FreeBSD's native drivers? > > Pretty sure, as the -STABLE drivers are (mostly) in synch with the > > -CURRENT drivers. > What about -RELEASE? -RELEASE is -STABLE, as you very well know. > That's typically what I run. Unfortunately, > the 4.1.1 stuff is not very stable on my Multia, and I tend to > stick with the same release everywhere I can. Multia is an SMP Alpha, right? I'm not sure how well-tested newpcm is on the Alpha. You'd have to ask Cameron. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 7 6: 9: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B5337B4D7 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 06:09:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA45565; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 09:08:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 09:08:57 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Terry Lambert , will@physics.purdue.edu, Haikal Saadh , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CounterStrike Message-ID: <20001107090857.A45548@blackhelicopters.org> References: <200011071315.GAA17650@usr06.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from des@ofug.org on Tue, Nov 07, 2000 at 02:21:44PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 07, 2000 at 02:21:44PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Multia is an SMP Alpha, right? I'm not sure how well-tested newpcm is > on the Alpha. You'd have to ask Cameron. Not all Multias are SMP. Mine is a UP Alpha 166, roughly the speed of treacle in January. -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 7 10:17:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from garm.bart.nl (garm.bart.nl [194.158.170.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D94837B479 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 10:17:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (root@daemon.ninth-circle.org [195.38.210.81]) by garm.bart.nl (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eA7IB9t95937; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:11:09 +0100 (CET) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eA7IAwv03645; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:10:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:10:58 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Good piece of advocacy Message-ID: <20001107191057.A3270@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just bought a book today to expand my collection and noticed this cute new Unix programming book. Advanced UNIX Programming by Warren W. Gay. [ISBN 0-672-31990-X] Warren has used 3.4-RELEASE throughout the book to test all example and such on and he generally supports and mentions FreeBSD _a lot_ throughout the book, next to Linux, HP-UX, AIX, UnixWare, SunOS/Solaris, and Irix. So I would like to thank Warren for mentioning us in his book and I hope that using FreeBSD was something of an experience for programmers he would recommend to others to use [his book seems to hint at this]. So hereby: thanks for another book contribution to the BSD ranks. -- Jeroen Ruigrok vd Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|bart.nl|freebsd.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder BSD: Technical excellence at its best The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project It does not require many words to speak the truth... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 7 10:49:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3D537B4C5 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 10:49:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@dhcp241.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eA7InZH57988; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 10:49:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200011071315.GAA17650@usr06.primenet.com> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 10:49:59 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: CounterStrike Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.org, (Haikal Saadh) , will@physics.purdue.edu, (Dag-Erling Smorgrav) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 07-Nov-00 Terry Lambert wrote: >> Pretty sure, as the -STABLE drivers are (mostly) in synch with the >> -CURRENT drivers. > > What about -RELEASE? That's typically what I run. Unfortunately, > the 4.1.1 stuff is not very stable on my Multia, and I tend to > stick with the same release everywhere I can. The particular > machine I'm typing this from is an SMP box, and I haven''t moved > to SMPng, so 4.1 is my cross machine platform of choice right now. 4.1.1-alpha was fubar'd accidentally. It is a -current release, not a -stable release. :) 4.2 will be out in < 2 weeks though, and it will have all of the latest drivers. > I don't even care very much about the issue, since I only loaded > some games at one point in time to impress my dad. 8-). Heh. > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 7 11: 7:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from bishopston.net (h91.reverse.bishopston.net [24.68.200.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1C737B479 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:07:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by bishopston.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16157; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:07:17 GMT (envelope-from ) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:07:17 GMT From: Jamie Jones Message-Id: <200011071907.TAA16157@bishopston.net> To: jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com, rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in Subject: Re: Any artists interested in doing a FreeBSD animated GIF banner? Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20001106222351.F68033@lpt.ens.fr> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > OK here's a rough version. Suggestions welcome, also if someone > wants to pick it up and take it further that's even more welcome, > since I don't have very much free time these days. > > http://www.lpt.ens.fr/~rsidd/freebsd.gif > http://www.lpt.ens.fr/~rsidd/freebsd.xcf (Gimp format, larger size) Hi. I like it. Just 2 suggestions: 1) The end of the animation should last a bit longer before the animation loops.. I.e. The "FreeBSD..." logo bit isn't static on the screen for long enough. 2) The lightening is the same colour as the fork .. Maybe one or the other would look clearer in black ? Cheers, Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 7 13:17: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from server4.reno.powernet.net (server4.reno.powernet.net [216.88.152.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED1537B479 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:16:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.112] (sjweb.reno.powernet.net [64.240.163.95]) by server4.reno.powernet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11864 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:16:57 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rvisger_sjmarketing@pop2.sierraweb.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200011071907.TAA16157@bishopston.net> References: <200011071907.TAA16157@bishopston.net> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:16:51 -0800 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org From: Bean Visger Subject: Re: Any artists interested in doing a FreeBSD animated GIF banner? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > OK here's a rough version. Suggestions welcome, also if someone >> wants to pick it up and take it further that's even more welcome, >> since I don't have very much free time these days. >> >> http://www.lpt.ens.fr/~rsidd/freebsd.gif > > http://www.lpt.ens.fr/~rsidd/freebsd.xcf (Gimp format, larger size) > >2) The lightening is the same colour as the fork .. Maybe one or the > other would look clearer in black ? I think the lightning would be good in a yellow/orange... maybe one on top of the other? here's a quickie I did this afternoon on my lunch hour, I'll come up with something good for this after I get off work, then we can work out a rotation for a bunch of different banners. :) http://bean.internal.org/freebsd_banner.gif -Rebecca "Bean" Visger http://bean.internal.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 7 14:42:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A7F37B479 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:42:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eA7MfkJ28408; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 17:41:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 17:41:45 -0500 (EST) From: Brett Taylor To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: Jordan Hubbard , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Any artists interested in doing a FreeBSD animated GIF banner? In-Reply-To: <20001106222351.F68033@lpt.ens.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Rahul On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > OK here's a rough version. Suggestions welcome, also if someone > wants to pick it up and take it further that's even more welcome, > since I don't have very much free time these days. > > http://www.lpt.ens.fr/~rsidd/freebsd.gif > http://www.lpt.ens.fr/~rsidd/freebsd.xcf (Gimp format, larger size) I like it except for a couple small things: - the final image w/ the complete logo should last a couple of more frames so there's a chance to read it; this is easy enough to fix, just take the xcf image and duplicate the last layer say 5 more times (I actually did that to your xcf file) - the text on the URL is too small to read easily (at least at 1280x1024 with my eyes) :-) ;this is a little harder to deal with Otherwise, great job. I had envisioned something similar, but 2 computers, Beastie zaps them and the cable in between them swells as FreeBSD in big text zaps back and forth between them, then fade out to FreeBSD - the Power to Serve. Of course I have the actual artistic talent of a groundhog so I had a hard time implementing my idea. :-) Brett ***************************************************** Dr. Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 7 14:45:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from unet.univie.ac.at (unet.univie.ac.at [131.130.230.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46B337B4C5 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:45:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (le.adsl.cc.univie.ac.at [193.171.3.9]) by unet.univie.ac.at (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA206322; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 23:45:37 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eA7MN4g00352; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 23:23:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from a9404849@unet.univie.ac.at) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 23:23:04 +0100 (CET) From: Lukas Ertl X-Sender: lukas@localhost.localdomain To: Bean Visger Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Any artists interested in doing a FreeBSD animated GIF banner? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Bean Visger wrote: > here's a quickie I did this afternoon on my lunch hour, I'll come up > with something good for this after I get off work, then we can work > out a rotation for a bunch of different banners. :) > > http://bean.internal.org/freebsd_banner.gif I like it, although the text is a little.... let's say.... "marketing speech" :) lg, le -- "ASCII is our god, and Unix is his profit." -- Benson's Dogma To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 7 14:56: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from server4.reno.powernet.net (server4.reno.powernet.net [216.88.152.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F39E37B479 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:56:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.112] (sjweb.reno.powernet.net [64.240.163.95]) by server4.reno.powernet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18089; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:55:50 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rvisger_sjmarketing@pop2.sierraweb.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:55:42 -0800 To: Lukas Ertl , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Bean Visger Subject: Re: Any artists interested in doing a FreeBSD animated GIF banner? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Bean Visger wrote: > >> here's a quickie I did this afternoon on my lunch hour, I'll come up >> with something good for this after I get off work, then we can work >> out a rotation for a bunch of different banners. :) >> >> http://bean.internal.org/freebsd_banner.gif > >I like it, although the text is a little.... let's say.... "marketing >speech" :) isn't that the point here?? banner ads are technically considered umm.. marketing :) I'll do up a couple more when I get home ;) -Rebecca "Bean" Visger http://bean.internal.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 7 16: 1:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from home.babug.org (home.babug.org [209.11.4.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A235437B479 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:01:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by home.babug.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3920043D0F; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:07:02 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: BABUG Nov 9th Meeting Message-Id: <20001108000702.3920043D0F@home.babug.org> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:07:02 -0800 (PST) From: nicole@babug.org (Nicole) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -- South Bay BABUG -- (Bay Area Free/BSD Users Group) NOV 2000 Meeting The South Bay, Bay Area Free/BSD Users Group (BABUG) will be holding its monthly meeting at the Whistle coporation office in Foster City on Thursday, Nov 9th. Food And Socializing will be from 7:30 - 8:00 PM The meeting will start propmptly at 8:00 PM. After the meeting general talk and socializing will continue until 11:00PM Agenda : ==> Our main speaker Nick Sayer: Nick Sayer will show how people can use openssl's capabilities to exchange S/MIME e-mail, obtain certificates (from Thawte) and pass those certificates back and forth between openssl and Netscape. A presentation of http://www.kfu.com/~nsayer/encryption/openssl.html ==> Various Announcments and time for open floor discussions/plugs ==> Pizza and Soda is provided compliments of Whistle Comunications! Location : This months meeting will be held at Whistle Communications. Whistle is located at 110 Marsh Dr. in Foster City. There is plenty parking in their lot. Please see the REAR door marked with the BAFUG sign. Times : Food And Socializing will be from 7:30 - 8:00 PM The meeting will start propmptly at 8:00 PM. After the meeting general talk and socializing will continue until 11:00PM Basic Directions : By CalTrain : Exit at the downtown San Mateo station, and walk several miles east on Third Avenue to the Marsh Drive intersection. Alternatively, exit at the Bay Meadows station and take the SanTrans Route 251 Hillsdale - Foster City bus to the Bridgepoint Shopping Center stop and walk 1/4 mile north on Mariner's Island Blvd. to Third Avenue, turning right one block to Marsh Drive. By SamTrans : The Route 251 Hillsdale - Foster City bus line's Bridgepoint Shopping Center terminus is a few blocks from Whistle Communications. By Car : From the South Bay and Peninsula : Take 101 North towards San Francisco, From US-101 northbound, take CA-92 eastbound a mile to the Foster City Blvd., turning left (east) at the end of the ramp onto Metro Center Blvd. Go about a block and turn left (north-east) onto Foster City Blvd. Go about five blocks to the street's end, turning left (north) onto Third Avenue. Go about a block to turn left (west) at the first traffic light, onto Marsh Drive. Immediately turn left into the Whistle parking lot. From the East Bay : From CA-92/Hayward, cross the San Mateo Bridge and take the first exit Foster City Blvd., curving right at the end of the ramp to a left (north-east) turn onto Foster City Blvd. Then process as described above for US-101 northbound. From the North Bay and San Francisco : From US-101 southbound, exit eastbound onto Third Avenue proceeding several miles, past the Mariner's Island Blvd. intersection, to turn right (west) onto Marsh Drive. Immediately turn left into the Whistle parking lot. WWW info : More info can be found at the following URLs Whistle Communications - http://www.whistle.com BAFUG - http://www.bafug.org Contacts : Nicole Harrington Josef Grosch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 7 16:27:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D48D37B4C5 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eA80RNI73475; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:27:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Lukas Ertl Cc: Bean Visger , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Any artists interested in doing a FreeBSD animated GIF banner? In-Reply-To: Message from Lukas Ertl of "Tue, 07 Nov 2000 23:23:04 +0100." Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 16:27:23 -0800 Message-ID: <73472.973643243@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I like it, although the text is a little.... let's say.... "marketing > speech" :) That was one of the good points of it, yes. Banner ads are all about marketing, you know. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 7 16:29:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E65C37B479 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:29:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24335; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 17:28:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAwVayuV; Tue Nov 7 17:28:40 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA00457; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 17:29:30 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200011080029.RAA00457@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: CounterStrike To: des@ofug.org (Dag-Erling Smorgrav) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 00:28:08 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), will@physics.purdue.edu, wyldephyre2@yahoo.com (Haikal Saadh), advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Dag-Erling Smorgrav" at Nov 07, 2000 02:21:44 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > Are you sure you don't have to run current for it to work with > > > > FreeBSD's native drivers? > > > Pretty sure, as the -STABLE drivers are (mostly) in synch with the > > > -CURRENT drivers. > > What about -RELEASE? > > -RELEASE is -STABLE, as you very well know. I was under the impression that -STABLE always foolowed -RELEASE, and that MFC's didn't occur to release (seeing as it's already on my CDROM... 8-)). > > That's typically what I run. Unfortunately, > > the 4.1.1 stuff is not very stable on my Multia, and I tend to > > stick with the same release everywhere I can. > > Multia is an SMP Alpha, right? I'm not sure how well-tested newpcm is > on the Alpha. You'd have to ask Cameron. Non-SMP Alpha. It's the dinky little box you have to be careful about cooling, or it cooks. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 7 23: 4:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from web1604.mail.yahoo.com (web1604.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A47537B4C5 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 23:04:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11596 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Nov 2000 07:23:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20001108072343.11595.qmail@web1604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [131.181.127.42] by web1604.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Nov 2000 23:23:43 PST Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 23:23:43 -0800 (PST) From: Haikal Saadh Subject: Re: CounterStrike To: John Baldwin , Terry Lambert Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, wyldephyre2@yahoo.com, will@physics.purdue.edu, des@ofug.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --- John Baldwin wrote: > > 4.1.1-alpha was fubar'd accidentally. It is a > -current release, not a -stable > release. :) 4.2 will be out in < 2 weeks though, > and it will have all of the > latest drivers. Oh, could that be poosibly why when I recompiled my kernel to enable user ldt (for wine), make gives me an error when it gets to compiling the bits for the soundcard (awe64) ...which I've disabled for now... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Nov 8 2: 8: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8438637B4C5 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 02:07:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id eA8A7rM69000 ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 11:07:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id LAA50247 ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 11:07:52 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 11:07:52 +0100 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Bean Visger Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Any artists interested in doing a FreeBSD animated GIF banner? Message-ID: <20001108110752.E48888@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Bean Visger , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200011071907.TAA16157@bishopston.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rvisger@sjmarketing.com on Tue, Nov 07, 2000 at 01:16:51PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bean Visger said on Nov 7, 2000 at 13:16:51: > > > OK here's a rough version. Suggestions welcome, also if someone > >> wants to pick it up and take it further that's even more welcome, > >> since I don't have very much free time these days. > >> > >> http://www.lpt.ens.fr/~rsidd/freebsd.gif > > > http://www.lpt.ens.fr/~rsidd/freebsd.xcf (Gimp format, larger size) > > > >2) The lightening is the same colour as the fork .. Maybe one or the > > other would look clearer in black ? > > I think the lightning would be good in a yellow/orange... maybe one > on top of the other? > > here's a quickie I did this afternoon on my lunch hour, I'll come up > with something good for this after I get off work, then we can work > out a rotation for a bunch of different banners. :) Looks good. I'll work on mine too but it may take till weekend to do anything substantial. Regarding various suggestions, I'll change the colour of the lightning; put a thin border or light background (no pixmap, I think); improve the readability of the URL (this was a cut&paste from the freebsd site, but shrunk, I'll do it anew). I don't have much experience with animated GIFs: is it possible to specify a different delay for the last frame from the default? If so, how does one do it in gimp? Is there any other free tool for editing animated GIFs? Thanks everyone. Rahul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Nov 8 10:19:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from satan.freebsdsystems.com (unknown [24.69.168.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4141137B479 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 10:19:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from satan.freebsdsystems.com (satan.freebsdsystems.com [24.69.168.5]) by satan.freebsdsystems.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eA8IJ3E02897; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 13:19:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 13:19:03 -0500 (EST) From: Lanny Baron To: ebn.news@intel.com Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: accessing portal site Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To whom this may concern, The fact that the site, http://program.intel.com/mp/admin/c_dynamic.asp?FILE=businessadvantage/index1.htm FORCES a user to use Micro$oft i.e. 5 is disgusting. I cannot think of any reason(s) why, Intel Corporation would not allow a user to use Netscape to get into the portal site. The same applies to the online training for the Intel Certification downloads. Our company, Freedom Technologies Corporation, only builds Intel Inside and (not currently allowed by your gov't) Intel Outside Servers. By that I mean we only sell/promote Intel Chassis, Intel serverboards, Intel Pentium III Processors (no celerons). We only put on the servers sold, the OS called FreeBSD, which Micro$oft uses to run HotMail.com and Yahoo! uses for its more than 1000+ web servers. I kindly ask on behalf of the Unix community, that your corporation ceases from forcing the use of Micro$oft products to get into some sites (the portal for example). To backup what I have said about MS and Yahoo! please visit the following URL: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/05/29/BU20648.DTL Thank you, Lanny Baron http://freedomtc.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Nov 8 10:44: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F4537B479 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 10:44:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@dhcp241.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eA8IfXH96034; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 10:41:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20001108072343.11595.qmail@web1604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 10:42:00 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Haikal Saadh Subject: Re: CounterStrike Cc: des@ofug.org, will@physics.purdue.edu, advocacy@FreeBSD.org, Terry Lambert Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 08-Nov-00 Haikal Saadh wrote: > > --- John Baldwin wrote: >> >> 4.1.1-alpha was fubar'd accidentally. It is a >> -current release, not a -stable >> release. :) 4.2 will be out in < 2 weeks though, >> and it will have all of the >> latest drivers. > > Oh, could that be poosibly why when I recompiled my > kernel to enable user ldt (for wine), make gives me an > error when it gets to compiling the bits for the > soundcard (awe64) ...which I've disabled for now... This was only a problem iwth 4.1.1 on the alpha platform. The x86 release was fine. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Nov 9 4:49:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (mg136-010.ricochet.net [204.179.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBC337B4C5 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 04:49:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14101; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 04:51:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200011091251.EAA14101@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 04:51:35 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: OBE - On the Brink of Exhastion! To: advocacy@freebsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org, advocacy@netbsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm writing this when, I shouldn't. I need sleep, because at 11am I'm getting tickets to ISPCon. I'll take a shower.... Yes that's better. THE SPIN. -------- As some of you know, I'm the president of SVBUG (Silicon Valley BSD User Group). <; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 17:10:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by home.babug.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6150F43D09; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 17:16:07 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: BABUG Nov 9th Meeting Message-Id: <20001110011607.6150F43D09@home.babug.org> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 17:16:07 -0800 (PST) From: nicole@babug.org (Nicole) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -- South Bay BABUG -- (Bay Area Free/BSD Users Group) NOV 2000 Meeting The South Bay, Bay Area Free/BSD Users Group (BABUG) will be holding its monthly meeting at the Whistle coporation office in Foster City on Thursday, Nov 9th. Food And Socializing will be from 7:30 - 8:00 PM The meeting will start propmptly at 8:00 PM. After the meeting general talk and socializing will continue until 11:00PM Agenda : ==> Our main speaker Nick Sayer: Nick Sayer will show how people can use openssl's capabilities to exchange S/MIME e-mail, obtain certificates (from Thawte) and pass those certificates back and forth between openssl and Netscape. A presentation of http://www.kfu.com/~nsayer/encryption/openssl.html ==> Various Announcments and time for open floor discussions/plugs ==> Pizza and Soda is provided compliments of Whistle Comunications! Location : This months meeting will be held at Whistle Communications. Whistle is located at 110 Marsh Dr. in Foster City. There is plenty parking in their lot. Please see the REAR door marked with the BAFUG sign. Times : Food And Socializing will be from 7:30 - 8:00 PM The meeting will start propmptly at 8:00 PM. After the meeting general talk and socializing will continue until 11:00PM Basic Directions : By CalTrain : Exit at the downtown San Mateo station, and walk several miles east on Third Avenue to the Marsh Drive intersection. Alternatively, exit at the Bay Meadows station and take the SanTrans Route 251 Hillsdale - Foster City bus to the Bridgepoint Shopping Center stop and walk 1/4 mile north on Mariner's Island Blvd. to Third Avenue, turning right one block to Marsh Drive. By SamTrans : The Route 251 Hillsdale - Foster City bus line's Bridgepoint Shopping Center terminus is a few blocks from Whistle Communications. By Car : From the South Bay and Peninsula : Take 101 North towards San Francisco, From US-101 northbound, take CA-92 eastbound a mile to the Foster City Blvd., turning left (east) at the end of the ramp onto Metro Center Blvd. Go about a block and turn left (north-east) onto Foster City Blvd. Go about five blocks to the street's end, turning left (north) onto Third Avenue. Go about a block to turn left (west) at the first traffic light, onto Marsh Drive. Immediately turn left into the Whistle parking lot. From the East Bay : From CA-92/Hayward, cross the San Mateo Bridge and take the first exit Foster City Blvd., curving right at the end of the ramp to a left (north-east) turn onto Foster City Blvd. Then process as described above for US-101 northbound. From the North Bay and San Francisco : From US-101 southbound, exit eastbound onto Third Avenue proceeding several miles, past the Mariner's Island Blvd. intersection, to turn right (west) onto Marsh Drive. Immediately turn left into the Whistle parking lot. WWW info : More info can be found at the following URLs Whistle Communications - http://www.whistle.com BAFUG - http://www.bafug.org Contacts : Nicole Harrington Josef Grosch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Nov 9 18: 3:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (mg136-070.ricochet.net [204.179.136.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6633537B479 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 18:03:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00738 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 18:03:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200011100203.SAA00738@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 18:03:09 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: OBE - On the Brink of Exhastion! To: advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [NOTE: even though I sent this at 4 this morning it did not post. I think because some assinain rule that I can't have more that 3 adresses on a "To:" line] I'm writing this when, I shouldn't. I need sleep, because at 11am I'm getting tickets to ISPCon. I'll take a shower.... Yes that's better. THE SPIN. -------- As some of you know, I'm the president of SVBUG (Silicon Valley BSD User Group). <; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 23:46:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 840A35730D; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 01:46:19 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 01:46:19 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: "Justin T. Gibbs" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Foundation: Examples of FreeBSD as teaching aid/research plat Message-ID: <20001110014618.A84887@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" References: <200011092026.eA9KQ9a92289@aslan.scsiguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011092026.eA9KQ9a92289@aslan.scsiguy.com>; from gibbs@scsiguy.com on Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 01:26:09PM -0700 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Moved to -advocacy] On Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 01:26:09PM -0700, Justin T. Gibbs scribbled: | specific examples of how FreeBSD is used as either a teaching | aid or a research platform by educational institutions. If possible, http://www.csie.nctu.edu.tw/os uses FreeBSD to teach OS Arch. I would estimate about 10-15% of *.edu.tw workstations is running FreeBSD, with a major following in the dorms. (sometimes much larger following than Linux.) As a teaching assistant, I use FreeBSD source to supplement my classes at Univ of Texas at Austin, ece.utexas.edu (Professor uses C++, Codewarrior/x86, and I will withhold opinion on that.) I also use FreeBSD on my own research project about high traffic router redundancy/load balancing controlled via neural networks. At AMD, I used FreeBSD/Alpha/x86 to do VHDL simulations and chip verifications for a while. I think USC has a course on OS Architecture using FreeBSD, Kris Kennaway has a url, which I forget. physics.purdue.edu runs FreeBSD in the computer labs, according to Will Andrews. IIRC, Drew Gallatin and duke.edu uses FreeBSD/Alpha+myrinet. China's government was considering to make FreeBSD its default *.gov.cn OS, but decided on Linux eventually. -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Nov 10 8:21:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (c014-h017.c014.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 056B937B479 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:21:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 602 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2000 08:21:04 -0800 Received: from m12hRs4n205.midsouth.rr.com (HELO mike) (24.95.125.205) by smtp.valuedata.net (209.228.12.81) with SMTP; 10 Nov 2000 08:21:04 -0800 X-Sent: 10 Nov 2000 16:21:04 GMT Message-ID: <021c01c04b32$3a356640$0200000a@mike> From: "Daryl Chance" To: "FreeBSD Questions" , "FreeBSD Advocacy" Subject: [OT?] Tribes 2 linux port Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 10:21:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hey, I'm not sure if this belongs here or on Advocacy (posting to both), but the people producting the game Tribes 2 (one of the more anticipated games this year) have brought loki into the scene to port Tribes 2 to linux, therefore allowing us *BSD types to play it too. Loki is having beta signups now, announcement is at: http://www.lokigames.com/press/archive.php3?11092000 the beta form is here: http://odin.lokigames.com/ This is the type of stuff everyone in the *nix community is looking for to bring more people in :). This, at least, is one of the steps in me moving away from windows, seeing as Tribes is the only game that I have thats not ported, that I play a lot anyhow :). AFAIK, T2 is being ported all the way, which means T2 server for bsd as well. they're hoping for a simultaneous release of the *nix and windows version. Thanks, ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Daryl Chance | We start seeing these new accounts being created, | | -------------- | but that could be an anomaly of the system. After | | Valuedata, LLC | a day or two, we realized it was someone hacking | | Memphis, TN | into the system. - Microsoft on thier hacker | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Nov 10 16:23:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from server4.reno.powernet.net (server4.reno.powernet.net [216.88.152.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8442B37B688 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:23:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.105] (sjweb.reno.powernet.net [64.240.163.95]) by server4.reno.powernet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21785 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:23:39 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rvisger_sjmarketing@pop2.sierraweb.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001108110752.E48888@lpt.ens.fr> References: <200011071907.TAA16157@bishopston.net> <20001108110752.E48888@lpt.ens.fr> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:23:36 -0800 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Bean Visger Subject: Re: Any artists interested in doing a FreeBSD animated GIF banner? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > here's a quickie I did this afternoon on my lunch hour, I'll come up > > with something good for this after I get off work, then we can work > > out a rotation for a bunch of different banners. :) here we go again... sorry it took so long, I'm a slacker. version #1: http://bean.internal.org/freebsd_banner.gif version #2: http://bean.internal.org/freebsd_banner2.gif let me know if the second one is better or worse... also, if you guys have any *cough* marketing ideas at all... I mean.. what would sucker you in to clicking on a banner?? let me know :) -Rebecca 'Bean' Visger To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Nov 10 17:25: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76DF737B479 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:25:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAB1OuI27256; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:24:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Bean Visger Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Any artists interested in doing a FreeBSD animated GIF banner? In-Reply-To: Message from Bean Visger of "Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:23:36 PST." Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:24:56 -0800 Message-ID: <27252.973905896@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > here we go again... sorry it took so long, I'm a slacker. > > version #1: http://bean.internal.org/freebsd_banner.gif > version #2: http://bean.internal.org/freebsd_banner2.gif I'd actually go for a combination of 1 and 2. Leave "people are talking about .." from #1 ("geeks" is just too cutesy/wrong) and keep "Learn More" "Click here" from #2. Such a banner advert I'd be pleased to run, though it's a pity there's not more animation in the non-text domain.. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Nov 10 22:38:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from citusc17.usc.edu (citusc17.usc.edu [128.125.38.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6553837B479 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 22:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc17.usc.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAB6dgQ06523; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 22:39:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 22:39:41 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: "Michael C . Wu" Cc: "Justin T. Gibbs" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Foundation: Examples of FreeBSD as teaching aid/research plat Message-ID: <20001110223941.A322@citusc17.usc.edu> References: <200011092026.eA9KQ9a92289@aslan.scsiguy.com> <20001110014618.A84887@peorth.iteration.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jRHKVT23PllUwdXP" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001110014618.A84887@peorth.iteration.net>; from keichii@iteration.net on Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 01:46:19AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 01:46:19AM -0600, Michael C . Wu wrote: > I think USC has a course on OS Architecture using FreeBSD, Kris > Kennaway has a url, which I forget. http://www.usc.edu/dept/engineering/infotech/ITP%20499%20Unix%20System%20Administration.htm System Administration, not architecture..no idea how often it's offered. Kris --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjoM6a0ACgkQWry0BWjoQKVWUQCcCQCDk5PQ3ZlFRcTNv/V1mN+S g2UAn1zHse8yAhbvgOELPXq/yKqR3ZdI =C/mX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Nov 10 23:20: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from homer.softweyr.com (bsdconspiracy.net [208.187.122.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDA937B479 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 23:19:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=softweyr.com ident=Fools trust ident!) by homer.softweyr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13uUyF-0000DB-00; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 00:21:03 -0700 Message-ID: <3A0CF35E.AAF84D52@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 00:21:02 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bean Visger Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Any artists interested in doing a FreeBSD animated GIF banner? References: <200011071907.TAA16157@bishopston.net> <20001108110752.E48888@lpt.ens.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bean Visger wrote: > > > > here's a quickie I did this afternoon on my lunch hour, I'll come up > > > with something good for this after I get off work, then we can work > > > out a rotation for a bunch of different banners. :) > > here we go again... sorry it took so long, I'm a slacker. > > version #1: http://bean.internal.org/freebsd_banner.gif > version #2: http://bean.internal.org/freebsd_banner2.gif > > let me know if the second one is better or worse... Better, but only marginally so. Both strike me as compelling. > also, if you guys > have any *cough* marketing ideas at all... I mean.. what would sucker > you in to clicking on a banner?? let me know :) Nekkid females? Oops, sorry, wrong kind of banner. Free giveaways? Yeah, a free copy of an operating system, just for clicking on the banner. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 11 12:59:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (sydney.worldwide.lemis.com [192.109.197.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0A037B479 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 12:59:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) id eABBuBZ05281; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 19:56:11 +0800 (SGT) (envelope-from grog) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 19:56:11 +0800 From: Greg Lehey To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Good piece of advocacy Message-ID: <20001111195611.M4535@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> References: <20001107191057.A3270@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20001107191057.A3270@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from asmodai@wxs.nl on Tue, Nov 07, 2000 at 07:10:58PM +0100 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday, 7 November 2000 at 19:10:58 +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > Just bought a book today to expand my collection and noticed this cute > new Unix programming book. > > Advanced UNIX Programming by Warren W. Gay. [ISBN 0-672-31990-X] > > Warren has used 3.4-RELEASE throughout the book to test all example and > such on and he generally supports and mentions FreeBSD _a lot_ > throughout the book, next to Linux, HP-UX, AIX, UnixWare, SunOS/Solaris, > and Irix. > > So I would like to thank Warren for mentioning us in his book and I hope > that using FreeBSD was something of an experience for programmers he > would recommend to others to use [his book seems to hint at this]. > > So hereby: thanks for another book contribution to the BSD ranks. Interesting. I had that book in my hands today, but I just skimmed through it and didn't notice the FreeBSD connection. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 11 13:13:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (sydney.worldwide.lemis.com [192.109.197.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7B837B4C5 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 13:13:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) id eAABuTu04025; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:56:29 +0800 (SGT) (envelope-from grog) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:56:29 +0800 From: Greg Lehey To: Lanny Baron Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: accessing portal site Message-ID: <20001110195629.J1686@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from lnb@FreeBSDsystems.COM on Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 01:19:03PM -0500 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wednesday, 8 November 2000 at 13:19:03 -0500, Lanny Baron wrote: > To whom this may concern, > The fact that the site, > http://program.intel.com/mp/admin/c_dynamic.asp?FILE=businessadvantage/index1.htm > FORCES a user to use Micro$oft i.e. 5 is disgusting. > > I cannot think of any reason(s) why, Intel Corporation would not allow a > user to use Netscape to get into the portal site. The same applies to the > online training for the Intel Certification downloads. > > Our company, Freedom Technologies Corporation, only builds Intel Inside > and (not currently allowed by your gov't) Intel Outside Servers. By that I > mean we only sell/promote Intel Chassis, Intel serverboards, Intel Pentium > III Processors (no celerons). > > We only put on the servers sold, the OS called FreeBSD, which Micro$oft > uses to run HotMail.com and Yahoo! uses for its more than 1000+ web > servers. > > I kindly ask on behalf of the Unix community, that your corporation ceases > from forcing the use of Micro$oft products to get into some sites (the > portal for example). > > To backup what I have said about MS and Yahoo! please visit the following > URL: > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/05/29/BU20648.DTL > > Thank you, > > Lanny Baron > http://freedomtc.com Lanny, I'd appreciate if you wouldn't copy the FreeBSD advocacy list on this kind of message. I personally disagree with its tone, and I'm sure that you're not going to make any friends at Intel with words like "disgusting". By copying us on this kind of message, you're implying that we agree with this opinion. It's another matter if you want to forward this kind of message to us. I'm still not interested, but others might be. I don't want to limit your freedom of expression, just the incorrect impressions of the FreeBSD project that you might arouse with such messages. Apart from that, I tried accessing the URL about which you are complaining, and the only problem I had was that it required a password. If there's a problem, it would seem that at least you have specified the wrong URL. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 11 15:56:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from puck.firepipe.net (mcut-b-167.resnet.purdue.edu [128.211.209.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6D637B479 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 15:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by puck.firepipe.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5609218C5; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 18:56:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 18:56:20 -0500 From: Will Andrews To: Lanny Baron Cc: FreeBSD Advocacy Subject: Re: accessing portal site Message-ID: <20001111185620.C555@puck.firepipe.net> Reply-To: Will Andrews Mail-Followup-To: Will Andrews , Lanny Baron , FreeBSD Advocacy References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from lnb@FreeBSDsystems.COM on Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 01:19:03PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 01:19:03PM -0500, Lanny Baron wrote: > Our company, Freedom Technologies Corporation, only builds Intel Inside > and (not currently allowed by your gov't) Intel Outside Servers. By that I > mean we only sell/promote Intel Chassis, Intel serverboards, Intel Pentium > III Processors (no celerons). > > We only put on the servers sold, the OS called FreeBSD, which Micro$oft > uses to run HotMail.com and Yahoo! uses for its more than 1000+ web > servers. > > I kindly ask on behalf of the Unix community, that your corporation ceases > from forcing the use of Micro$oft products to get into some sites (the > portal for example). > > To backup what I have said about MS and Yahoo! please visit the following > URL: > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/05/29/BU20648.DTL 1) Don't act on my behalf without my permission. 2) Don't quote incorrect statistics (hotmail.com runs on Win2K). 3) Don't quote outdated articles (May 29 is ~ 6 months ago). 4) Don't cc advocacy.. if you must send it to us, bcc or forward. 5) Don't use tactless words like "disgusting". Thanks. -- wca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message