From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 4 0:11:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eel.radicalmedia.com (eel.radicalmedia.com [204.254.246.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D8A37B6A4 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 00:11:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phiber@eel.radicalmedia.com) Received: (from phiber@localhost) by eel.radicalmedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25648; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 03:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000604031056.J20341@radicalmedia.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 03:10:56 -0400 From: Mark Abene To: Steve Price Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JDK status? References: <20000601223147.C20341@radicalmedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Steve Price on Sun, Jun 04, 2000 at 01:20:41AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jun 04, 2000 at 01:20:41AM -0500, Steve Price wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, Mark Abene wrote: > > # I was just curious how the effort was coming along in porting the JDK > # to freebsd-alpha. > > I haven't seen a reply to this one. Since I'm the one that > was working on this (that I'm aware of), I guess I should say > that it has been put on hold. I've been swamped at my paying > job, but I'll get back to it just as soon as things calm down. > > -steve > Understandable. If I can lend a hand, let me know. Once upon a time, I spearheaded the port of the JDK to Solaris x86, so I understand what's involved. Plus, I currently have some free time between contracts. Cheers, -Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 4 2:15:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay02.chello.nl (relay02.chello.nl [212.83.68.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26C637BAAF for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:15:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@chello.nl) Received: from chello.nl ([213.46.78.184]) by relay02.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 2ee4e7c625482f2f2a1950a80f6c8d58) with ESMTP id <20000604091517.MBQM17505.relay02@chello.nl>; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 11:15:17 +0200 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by chello.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA78118; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 11:15:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 11:15:30 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: wc.bulte@chello.nl, FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Miata console after 'halt' Message-ID: <20000604111530.A78087@freebie.wbnet> Reply-To: wc.bulte@chello.nl References: <20000603130518.A73911@freebie.wbnet> <14649.26030.594976.699497@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <14649.26030.594976.699497@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Sat, Jun 03, 2000 at 04:11:54PM -0400 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jun 03, 2000 at 04:11:54PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > Wilko Bulte writes: > > I wonder if anybody has ever seen the following: > > > > Miata MX5 or Miata GL. Both run -current without any problems. Shutdown > > FreeBSD. > > > > Now the SRM console yells for every keystroke: "scancode foo not supported" > > or something close to that. Needless to say the (DEC) keyboard works just > > fine when FreeBSD is running. A reset is needed to get the SRM to work with > > the keyboard again. > > > > Not critical, but annoying. > > Yes, I see this. It hasn't been very high in my priority list. FWIW, > I don't think it happens with an AS200 or an AS600... > > Have you seen any keyboard related oddities when running X? A while Well, I almost never run X on my Alphas. My 21" tube is hooked up to a PeeCee ;-) > ago I noticed that if I had Xkbd enabled on my Miata GL at home, I'd > get a random ` (back-quote) characters appearing about every 500th > keypress. Turning putting XkbDisable in my /etc/XF86Config made the > problem go away -- I assumed it was just a bad keyboard. (BTW, > XkbDisable doesn't help the console problem you mention) I can try to see what happens using X. > Yesterday I fired up X (an old build of 3.3.4) on the UP1000 I'm UP1000 is a nice machine.. Hm. Means I really should get started getting Rawhide, Sable/DemiSable/Lynx in HARDWARE.TXT. UP1000 to follow asap after that. > working on (FreeBSD mostly works, BTW) and noticed that the keyboard > didn't work at all. In fact, I had to reboot the machine after > starting X in order to get the keyboard back. XkbDisable cures this > problem too.. Hmm. Sounds there is something quite wrong in the keyboard/console driver as far as some Alphas is concerned (?). -- Wilko Bulte FreeBSD, the power to serve http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 4 19: 3:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1962337BBE7 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:03:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@hiwaay.net) Received: from hiwaay.net (tnt6-216-180-4-207.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.4.207]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with ESMTP id e5523BG29752; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:03:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30195; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:03:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from steve) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:03:10 -0500 From: Steve Price To: Mark Abene Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JDK status? Message-ID: <20000604210310.A30126@bonsai.hiwaay.net> References: <20000601223147.C20341@radicalmedia.com> <20000604031056.J20341@radicalmedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000604031056.J20341@radicalmedia.com>; from phiber@radicalmedia.com on Sun, Jun 04, 2000 at 03:10:56AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jun 04, 2000 at 03:10:56AM -0400, Mark Abene wrote: # Understandable. If I can lend a hand, let me know. Once upon a time, I # spearheaded the port of the JDK to Solaris x86, so I understand what's # involved. Plus, I currently have some free time between contracts. You could start by looking at the set of patches that Greg Lewis has put up of the FreeBSD Java port team's work (which includes my Alpha changes as well). The most pressing issue would be to get an Alpha version of invokeNative_alpha.s written. I think other than that piece of assembly code it is just a matter of ironing out any 32 vs. 64 bit 'isms that we may have introduced with our FreeBSD-specific changes. http://www.eyesbeyond.com/freebsd-jdk122-patches-latest.tar.gz Also the Blackdown folks are rumored to have some patches for the Alpha, but the last time I checked they weren't much more than a sprinkling of cruft that nowhere near represented a full-blown port. -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jun 5 1:31:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from hermes.research.kpn.com (hermes.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F54037B824 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 01:31:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by research.kpn.com (PMDF V5.2-31 #42699) with ESMTP id <01JQ8OEHA10I0000JC@research.kpn.com> for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:31:11 +0200 Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 10:31:10 +0100 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 10:31:06 +0100 From: "Koster, K.J." Subject: RE: JDK status? To: 'Mark Abene' Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D75D4@l04.research.kpn.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I was just curious how the effort was coming along in porting > the JDK to freebsd-alpha. > We are looking for people who are willing assist with the alpha architecture port. You may want to contact Steve Price or Greg Lewis or myself if you are interested in helping out. Steve has done some work, but have since become swamped by other activities. I have set up one of the Compaq testdrive systems with the FreeBSD ports that are necessary to build the port. (It's on the spe149, for those that have a Compaq testdrive account already.) Kees Jan ============================================== Everyone is responsible for his own actions, and (people tend to forget this) the effect they have on others. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jun 5 6:48: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wintermute.sparhawk.bc.ca (24.66.169.200.bc.wave.home.com [24.66.169.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7287D37B5FB for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 06:48:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sparhawk@sparhawk.bc.ca) Received: from beast.sparhawk.bc.ca (beast.sparhawk.bc.ca [192.168.1.6]) by wintermute.sparhawk.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA38351 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 06:48:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sparhawk@sparhawk.bc.ca) Message-Id: <4.3.2.20000603063707.017777a8@192.168.1.69> X-Sender: sparhawk@192.168.1.69 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 06:47:46 -0700 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org From: Sparhawk Subject: console size question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have an Digital AlphaServer 400 4/233, and would like to be able to run my console at a screensize other than 80x25, but when I run vidcontrol it shows only one available mode(80x25). Is there a way to enable more modes? I would like to be running something like 132x60. Also tried enableing vesa support to the kernel but config complained, I guess this isnt supported on the Alpha. Any help Would be apreciated. Sparhawk bash-2.03$ vidcontrol -i adapter fb0: vga0, type:VGA (5), flags:0x7007f initial mode:24, current mode:24, BIOS mode:3 frame buffer window:0xb8000, buffer size:0x8000 window size:0x8000, origin:0x0 display start address (0, 0), scan line width:80 reserved:0x0 bash-2.03$ vidcontrol -i mode mode# flags type size font window linear buffer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 24 (0x018) 0x00000001 T 80x25 8x16 0xb8000 32k 32k 0x00000000 32k To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jun 5 9:45:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from hermes.research.kpn.com (hermes.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E191B37B633 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:45:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by research.kpn.com (PMDF V5.2-31 #42699) with ESMTP id <01JQ95N5BS2U0000SE@research.kpn.com> for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:45:19 +0200 Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 18:45:19 +0100 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 18:45:10 +0100 From: "Koster, K.J." Subject: Please assist porting JDK to Alpha To: 'FreeBSD Alpha mailing list' Message-id: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D75E9@l04.research.kpn.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear All, I am looking for people who are interested in assisting in porting the Sun JDK to FreeBSD on the Alpha architecture. In particular, I am looking for someone who is familiar with Alpha assembler. We have a file that is in assembler, and that needs to be adapted for the Alpha architecture. You can find more information on my JDK porting pages; click on "Alpha Architecture Port" in the left frame. There's not much there yet, but that's the whole reason that I send this e-mail. http://web.inter.nl.net/users/kjkoster/java/index.html Thanks in advance. Kees Jan ============================================== Everyone is responsible for his own actions, and (people tend to forget this) the effect they have on others. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jun 5 13:42:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eel.radicalmedia.com (eel.radicalmedia.com [204.254.246.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF5637B570 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:42:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phiber@eel.radicalmedia.com) Received: (from phiber@localhost) by eel.radicalmedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15370; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:42:36 -0400 From: Mark Abene To: "Koster, K.J." Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JDK status? Message-ID: <20000605164236.D6628@radicalmedia.com> References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D75D4@l04.research.kpn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D75D4@l04.research.kpn.com>; from Koster, K.J. on Mon, Jun 05, 2000 at 10:31:06AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 05, 2000 at 10:31:06AM +0100, Koster, K.J. wrote: > > > > I was just curious how the effort was coming along in porting > > the JDK to freebsd-alpha. > > > We are looking for people who are willing assist with the alpha architecture > port. You may want to contact Steve Price or Greg Lewis or myself if you are > interested in helping out. Steve has done some work, but have since become > swamped by other activities. > > I have set up one of the Compaq testdrive systems with the FreeBSD ports > that are necessary to build the port. (It's on the spe149, for those that > have a Compaq testdrive account already.) > > Kees Jan > I just checked your web page and would like to help in any way I can. I'm learned in the ways of Alpha assembler. I just wanted to point out that an AlphaLinux port of an earlier JDK already exists, and it may save us a lot of time to grok from it. I e-mailed the maintainer, and he was concerned as to what the current licensing issues are with Sun, since Sun's latest JDK licensing agreement is preventing him from porting the latest JDK. Since I'm not familiar with the current JDK licensing issues, I figured I'd ask you. Under what conditions do we as porters have access to the JDK 1.2.2 source code? Cheers, -Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jun 5 21:17:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from agnostic.union.cynic.net (24-29-157-20.nyc.rr.com [24.29.157.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBBD37B55E for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 21:17:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjs@cynic.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by agnostic.union.cynic.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA08434; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:17:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: agnostic.union.cynic.net: cjs owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:17:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Curt Sampson X-Sender: cjs@agnostic.union.cynic.net To: Mark Abene Cc: "Koster, K.J." , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JDK status? In-Reply-To: <20000605164236.D6628@radicalmedia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Mark Abene wrote: > concerned as to what the current licensing issues are with Sun, since Sun's > latest JDK licensing agreement is preventing him from porting the latest JDK. > Since I'm not familiar with the current JDK licensing issues, I figured I'd > ask you. Under what conditions do we as porters have access to the JDK 1.2.2 > source code? I'd be interested in knowing about this too, since I'd be willing to put some work towards getting the 1.2.2 JDK up and runing on NetBSD/alpha and NetBSD/i386. But I've not much interest unless it can be distributed, and last I checked, the new license for 1.2 prevented that. cjs -- Curt Sampson 917 532 4208 http://www.netbsd.org Human speech is like a cracked tin kettle, on which we hammer out tunes to make bears dance when we long to move the stars. --Gustave Flaubert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jun 6 2: 2:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from hermes.research.kpn.com (hermes.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B5C37B942 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 02:02:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by research.kpn.com (PMDF V5.2-31 #42699) with ESMTP id <01JQA3RTCC8E0000XN@research.kpn.com> for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:02:37 +0200 Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 11:02:36 +0100 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 11:02:35 +0100 From: "Koster, K.J." Subject: RE: JDK status? To: 'Curt Sampson' , Mark Abene Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D75EA@l04.research.kpn.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi guys, > > I'd be interested in knowing about this too, since I'd be > willing to put some work towards getting the 1.2.2 JDK up > and runing on NetBSD/alpha and NetBSD/i386. But I've not > much interest unless it can be distributed, and last I > checked, the new license for 1.2 prevented that. > All I can say is that we are working hard to get Sun's backing on this one. At this time, everyone is free to download the patches and build his own JDK after signing the SCSL. Even without a binary distribution option, we can make a killer port out of this baby. Nate Williams just made a unofficial, off-the-record, speculative pre-announcement on freebsd-java. Basically he says that at JavaOne there should be a happy surprise for Java/FreeBSD people. Don't get your hopes up too high, because we've had empty promises before. On the other hand, I trust Nate to be careful with this kind of stuff. ;-) Kees Jan ============================================== Everyone is responsible for his own actions, and (people tend to forget this) the effect they have on others. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jun 6 6:20: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from agnostic.union.cynic.net (24-29-157-20.nyc.rr.com [24.29.157.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4DA37B665 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 06:19:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjs@cynic.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by agnostic.union.cynic.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09981; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 09:19:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: agnostic.union.cynic.net: cjs owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 09:19:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Curt Sampson X-Sender: cjs@agnostic.union.cynic.net To: "Koster, K.J." Cc: Mark Abene , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: JDK status? In-Reply-To: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D75EA@l04.research.kpn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Koster, K.J. wrote: > At this time, everyone is free to download the patches and build his own JDK > after signing the SCSL. Even without a binary distribution option, we can > make a killer port out of this baby. Sure, but what's the point if nobody can use it. Most of the world is not interested in getting a source license and building it themselves. > Nate Williams just made a unofficial, off-the-record, speculative > pre-announcement on freebsd-java. Basically he says that at JavaOne there > should be a happy surprise for Java/FreeBSD people. Yeah, but this worries me, because where does this leave the NetBSD folks? I hope this isn't going to be `FreeBSD gets to join the little clique with Linux whilst all other free software is left out in the cold.' cjs -- Curt Sampson 917 532 4208 http://www.netbsd.org Human speech is like a cracked tin kettle, on which we hammer out tunes to make bears dance when we long to move the stars. --Gustave Flaubert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jun 6 8:38: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EA1B37B93D for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:38:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA75899; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:37:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Curt Sampson Cc: "Koster, K.J." , Mark Abene , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JDK status? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Jun 2000 09:19:47 EDT." Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 08:37:40 -0700 Message-ID: <75896.960305860@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Yeah, but this worries me, because where does this leave the NetBSD > folks? I hope this isn't going to be `FreeBSD gets to join the > little clique with Linux whilst all other free software is left > out in the cold.' I don't think it's quite so brutally darwinistic as all that, Curt. The simple fact of the matter is that Sun makes you jump through hoops now if you want to play the Java game. BSDi has jumped through said hoops on FreeBSD's behalf given that BSDi sells FreeBSD through the acquisition of Walnut Creek CDROM. If someone from NetBSD's list of benefactors wishes to jump though those same hoops, I'm sure Sun will react accordingly. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jun 6 12: 3:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay01.chello.nl (smtp.chello.nl [212.83.68.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B046D37B8AA for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:03:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@chello.nl) Received: from chello.nl ([213.46.78.184]) by relay01.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 2ee4e7c625482f2f2a1950a80f6c8d58) with ESMTP id <20000606190402.HVIY8610.relay01@chello.nl>; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:04:02 +0200 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by chello.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01643; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:03:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:03:19 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: wc.bulte@chello.nl, FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Miata console after 'halt' Message-ID: <20000606210319.A1536@freebie.wbnet> Reply-To: wc.bulte@chello.nl References: <20000603130518.A73911@freebie.wbnet> <14649.26030.594976.699497@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <14649.26030.594976.699497@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Sat, Jun 03, 2000 at 04:11:54PM -0400 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jun 03, 2000 at 04:11:54PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Wilko Bulte writes: > > I wonder if anybody has ever seen the following: > > > > Miata MX5 or Miata GL. Both run -current without any problems. Shutdown > > FreeBSD. > > > > Now the SRM console yells for every keystroke: "scancode foo not supported" > > or something close to that. Needless to say the (DEC) keyboard works just > > fine when FreeBSD is running. A reset is needed to get the SRM to work with > > the keyboard again. > > > > Not critical, but annoying. > > Yes, I see this. It hasn't been very high in my priority list. FWIW, > I don't think it happens with an AS200 or an AS600... > > Have you seen any keyboard related oddities when running X? A while > ago I noticed that if I had Xkbd enabled on my Miata GL at home, I'd > get a random ` (back-quote) characters appearing about every 500th > keypress. Turning putting XkbDisable in my /etc/XF86Config made the > problem go away -- I assumed it was just a bad keyboard. (BTW, > XkbDisable doesn't help the console problem you mention) I just installed the latest SRM (V7.2-1) for the Miata on my MX5. After a halt my keyboard now works just dandy, no 'scancode foo' messages anymore. This SRM is on FW cdrom V5.7. I'll also give the Miata GL a try. If this all works out like I hope I'll update HARDWARE.TXT as well. W/ -- Wilko Bulte FreeBSD, the power to serve http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jun 6 12:39:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay01.chello.nl (smtp.chello.nl [212.83.68.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8000E37BA6F for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:39:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@chello.nl) Received: from chello.nl ([213.46.78.184]) by relay01.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 2ee4e7c625482f2f2a1950a80f6c8d58) with ESMTP id <20000606193944.IELT8610.relay01@chello.nl>; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:39:45 +0200 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by chello.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01840; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:39:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:39:02 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: wc.bulte@chello.nl Cc: Andrew Gallatin , FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Miata console after 'halt' Message-ID: <20000606213902.A1826@freebie.wbnet> Reply-To: wc.bulte@chello.nl References: <20000603130518.A73911@freebie.wbnet> <14649.26030.594976.699497@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000606210319.A1536@freebie.wbnet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000606210319.A1536@freebie.wbnet>; from wkb@chello.nl on Tue, Jun 06, 2000 at 09:03:19PM +0200 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jun 06, 2000 at 09:03:19PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > I just installed the latest SRM (V7.2-1) for the Miata on my MX5. After a > halt my keyboard now works just dandy, no 'scancode foo' messages anymore. > > This SRM is on FW cdrom V5.7. > > I'll also give the Miata GL a try. If this all works out like I hope I'll > update HARDWARE.TXT as well. Problem is fixed on both MX5 and GL. If anyone experiences similar problems on different machine types please check if a newer SRM helps. -- Wilko Bulte FreeBSD, the power to serve http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jun 6 12:43:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8549837B78A for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:43:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from neutron.cichlids.com (p3E9D38AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.157.56.172]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32256 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:43:35 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDFDAC30 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:44:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7AE4814A77; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:43:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:43:25 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: kvtop for alpha Message-ID: <20000606214325.B8820@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! Are there reasons against adding kvtop() to alpha/alpha/vm_machdep.c? Compatiblity issues (won't it work the same way as on i386)? If not, please do. Alex -- This is a FreeBSD advocacy ~/.sig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jun 6 13:33: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E412837B9D8 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:32:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06691; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA05026; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:32:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:32:22 -0400 (EDT) To: wc.bulte@chello.nl Cc: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Miata console after 'halt' In-Reply-To: <20000606213902.A1826@freebie.wbnet> References: <20000603130518.A73911@freebie.wbnet> <14649.26030.594976.699497@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000606210319.A1536@freebie.wbnet> <20000606213902.A1826@freebie.wbnet> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14653.24507.982506.700671@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte writes: > On Tue, Jun 06, 2000 at 09:03:19PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > I just installed the latest SRM (V7.2-1) for the Miata on my MX5. After a > > halt my keyboard now works just dandy, no 'scancode foo' messages anymore. > > > > This SRM is on FW cdrom V5.7. > > > > I'll also give the Miata GL a try. If this all works out like I hope I'll > > update HARDWARE.TXT as well. > > Problem is fixed on both MX5 and GL. If anyone experiences similar problems > on different machine types please check if a newer SRM helps. Cool.. I'll give it a try. Thanks, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jun 6 16:58: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.196.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FEE37B7A3 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:58:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp) Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (IDENT:agkPB2Z1uKFuLK3H+p1lDyIqRJ7bo2OT@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7Wpl2) with ESMTP id IAA04001; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:57:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (IDENT:xdcI0pZLTR6avkdbeKcQ/Xjm/0ptA5B6@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W/zodiac-May2000) with ESMTP id JAA26914; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:04:39 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200006070004.JAA26914@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: Sparhawk Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: console size question In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 2000 06:47:46 MST." <4.3.2.20000603063707.017777a8@192.168.1.69> References: <4.3.2.20000603063707.017777a8@192.168.1.69> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:04:38 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I have an Digital AlphaServer 400 4/233, and would like to be able to run >my console at a screensize other than 80x25, but when I run vidcontrol it >shows only one available mode(80x25). Is there a way to enable more >modes? I would like to be running something like 132x60. 132 column modes are available only if the video card supports the VESA BIOS extention. And even if your card supports it, currently we have no means to run the i386 BIOS code on Alphas ;-< >Also tried enableing vesa support to the kernel but config complained, I >guess this isnt supported on the Alpha. Unfortunately VESA modes are not supported on Alphas. Kazu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jun 6 19:11:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600BD37B9EE for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:11:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu (root@rac5.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.145]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08390 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac5.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA27869 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu (howardjp@localhost) by rac5.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27864 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006070211.WAA27864@rac5.wam.umd.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: rac5.wam.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Alpha Assembly Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 22:11:24 -0400 From: James Howard Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After reading Konstantin Boldyshev introduction to assembly programming with NASM, I became curious and started playing. Eventually (and with the help of his document on Linux assembly), I got it assemblable under GCC. Needless to say, I felt that was cool. But now I am really curious, how would I write a simple "Hello, world!\n" under Alpha? This is partly academic since I do not have an Alpha (let alone a FreeBSD/Alpha) to test on. Donated processor cycles appreciated :) Reading through the Alpha libc code offered me some insight but not enough to make it understandable. As near as I can tell, the only code that actually does the system call is this from sys/alpha/SYS.h: #define CALLSYS_ERROR(name) \ CALLSYS_NOERROR(name); \ br gp, LLABEL(name,0); \ LLABEL(name,0): \ LDGP(gp); \ beq a3, LLABEL(name,1); \ jmp zero, .cerror; \ LLABEL(name,1): How does this relate to the similar(?) code of sys/i386/SYS.h: #define KERNCALL int $0x80 /* Faster */ Having done real-mode C and Assembly programming under DOS, it is obvious to me how the x86 code works. You simply push the arguments onto the stack and call interrupt 0x80. But the Alpha code here is killing me. Please forgive me if I am totally out to lunch here. Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jun 6 20: 1:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8874037B6D8 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:01:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04284; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:01:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAluaWui; Tue Jun 6 20:01:31 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA07539; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:01:19 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200006070301.UAA07539@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: JDK status? To: cjs@cynic.net (Curt Sampson) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:01:18 +0000 (GMT) Cc: K.J.Koster@kpn.com (Koster K.J.), phiber@radicalmedia.com (Mark Abene), freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Curt Sampson" at Jun 06, 2000 09:19:47 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Nate Williams just made a unofficial, off-the-record, speculative > > pre-announcement on freebsd-java. Basically he says that at JavaOne there > > should be a happy surprise for Java/FreeBSD people. > > Yeah, but this worries me, because where does this leave the NetBSD > folks? I hope this isn't going to be `FreeBSD gets to join the > little clique with Linux whilst all other free software is left > out in the cold.' This is a very good reason for the BSD camps to standardize on an ABI sonner rather than later, so that this type of thing becomes impossible. BTW: By "impossible", I mean that the ABI standard should be able to shut _off_ OS specific differences, so that developers do not depend on them in their code. That means you could go to the store and get "BSD xxx" or "BSD yyy" and be able to expect it to work on any BSD platform (assuming the processor type was the same). This would also be incredibly attractive to vendors; if anyone has gone looking at the "Zend" PHP optimizer, they will see that there is exactly one FreeBSD version and *three* different Linux versions to account for incompatibilities between Linux distributions. Let's not do the same to BSD. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 7 1:14:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eel.radicalmedia.com (eel.radicalmedia.com [204.254.246.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96CF137B7AF for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:14:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phiber@eel.radicalmedia.com) Received: (from phiber@localhost) by eel.radicalmedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04980 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 04:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 04:14:13 -0400 From: Mark Abene To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: msdosfs is broken... Message-ID: <20000607041413.B4164@radicalmedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Regarding my earlier message regarding msdos images and the vn driver, it turns out that there's nothing wrong with the vn driver at all. It's the msdosfs driver that appears broken. I just tried mounting an actual msdos floppy, and trying to read or write files greater than 1024 bytes returns "Argument list too long" and fails. I'm running 4.0-RELEASE. Can anyone else verify this problem? I've filed it as PR misc/19086 with gnats. MSDOSFS support is compiled into the kernel. Mounting and unmounting the floppy causes no errors. Thanks, -Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 7 2:29:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from hermes.research.kpn.com (hermes.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78B337B8E6 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 02:29:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by research.kpn.com (PMDF V5.2-31 #42699) with ESMTP id <01JQBJ0TACJW00015X@research.kpn.com> for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:29:46 +0200 Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 11:29:45 +0100 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 11:29:45 +0100 From: "Koster, K.J." Subject: RE: Alpha Assembly To: 'James Howard' Cc: 'FreeBSD Alpha mailing list' Message-id: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D75FC@l04.research.kpn.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > But now I am really curious, how would I write a simple "Hello, > world!\n" under Alpha? This is partly academic since I do not have > an Alpha (let alone a FreeBSD/Alpha) to test on. Donated > processor cycles appreciated :) > http://web.inter.nl.net/users/kjkoster/java/content/alpha.html#hd02 Look under "But I Have No Alpha". :-) Actually, they are not alpha's, but ALPHA's. We're talking 2Gb RAM, 666MHz. You know, the works. :-) Kees Jan ============================================== Everyone is responsible for his own actions, and (people tend to forget this) the effect they have on others. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 7 2:57:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from hermes.research.kpn.com (hermes.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8ADF37B9C5 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 02:57:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by research.kpn.com (PMDF V5.2-31 #42699) with ESMTP id <01JQBK06Q4VW00015X@research.kpn.com> for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:57:30 +0200 Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 11:57:30 +0100 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 11:57:29 +0100 From: "Koster, K.J." Subject: RE: JDK status? To: 'Curt Sampson' Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D7602@l04.research.kpn.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > At this time, everyone is free to download the patches and > > build his own JDK after signing the SCSL. Even without a binary > > distribution option, we can make a killer port out of this baby. > > Sure, but what's the point if nobody can use it. Most of the world > is not interested in getting a source license and building it > themselves. > You are right. It would severly limit the number of people that use the port. I was just thinking for myself, I guess. > > > Nate Williams just made a unofficial, off-the-record, speculative > > pre-announcement on freebsd-java. Basically he says that at > > JavaOne there should be a happy surprise for Java/FreeBSD people. > > Yeah, but this worries me, because where does this leave the NetBSD > folks? I hope this isn't going to be `FreeBSD gets to join the > little clique with Linux whilst all other free software is left > out in the cold.' > I have no intention of joining any cliques. I'm sorry if that is the impression it leaves. We are building our effort on the fact that Java's number one RFE is to get a JDK port out for FreeBSD. I think that if we went to Sun saying: "Please open your stuff for the world", they would be a lot harder to persuade than now that we can say: "We are solving your number 1 RFE, in fact, look, we've got most of it running already. All we'd like you to give us the legal goahead and we'll do the work." Once FreeBSD moved from the list of "other operating systems", Sun will see that it's not at all that painful. In fact, it may even get them some favourable press. Based on the FreeBSD port, other BSD's can build their own port quite quickly, and repeat the cycle that FreeBSD has done: get a working (well, limping) JDK, talk to Sun, get backing. The other BSD's should be able to have a much shorter cycle. Kees Jan ============================================== Everyone is responsible for his own actions, and (people tend to forget this) the effect they have on others. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 7 6:22:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AABA37B57C for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 06:22:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from neutron.cichlids.com (p3E9D38C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.157.56.199]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06437 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:23:00 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576A3AC30 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:23:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 849FD14AA8; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:22:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:22:57 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kvtop for alpha Message-ID: <20000607152257.A9700@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <20000606214325.B8820@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000606214325.B8820@cichlids.cichlids.com>; from alex@big.endian.de on Tue, Jun 06, 2000 at 09:43:25PM +0200 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Alexander Langer (alex@big.endian.de): > Are there reasons against adding kvtop() to alpha/alpha/vm_machdep.c? > Compatiblity issues (won't it work the same way as on i386)? > If not, please do. No problems. I did. Please see my upcoming PR. This is needed for the if_ed driver. Alex -- This is a FreeBSD advocacy ~/.sig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 7 6:25: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92BCC37B57C for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 06:25:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from neutron.cichlids.com (p3E9D38C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.157.56.199]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07042; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:25:11 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43705AC30; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:26:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 70BC814AA8; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:24:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:24:59 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: device ed (PCI) on alphas Message-ID: <20000607152459.B9700@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <20000523091416.B608@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from dfr@nlsystems.com on Tue, May 23, 2000 at 09:10:51AM +0100 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Doug Rabson (dfr@nlsystems.com): > > if ((inb(sc->nic_addr + ED_P0_CR) & > > (ED_CR_RD2 | ED_CR_TXP | ED_CR_STA | ED_CR_STP)) != > > (ED_CR_RD2 | ED_CR_STP)) > > return (0); > > the inb(...) & vars is == 33, but should be 39. (decimal). > I don't know what to suggest since I'm not familiar with the hardware. I > think Warner Losh and Matt Dodd are our resident ed driver people. The issue was a bug in the ed driver, which, in my eyes, used the wrong OFFSETs for the NIC and APIC (mixed). NetBSD has the same values but vice versa, so I changed that and everything worked. We have a working Alpha driver for if_ed now. Alex -- This is a FreeBSD advocacy ~/.sig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 7 6:30:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D447537BCB0 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 06:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id GAA97450; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 06:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7A437B57C for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 06:21:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from neutron.cichlids.com (p3E9D38C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.157.56.199]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05992 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:21:34 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E33AC30 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:22:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 25D7F14AA8; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:21:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20000607132130.25D7F14AA8@cichlids.cichlids.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:21:30 +0200 (CEST) From: alex@big.endian.de To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: alpha/19089: Patch: Add if_ed support to FreeBSD/Alpha Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 19089 >Category: alpha >Synopsis: Patch: Add if_ed support to FreeBSD/Alpha >Confidential: yes >Severity: serious >Priority: high >Responsible: freebsd-alpha >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Jun 07 06:30:02 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Alexander Langer >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: none >Environment: FreeBSD/Alpha >Description: With this patch we are able to use more high-quality cards from the NE2000 compatible range on FreeBSD/Alpha: bash-2.04# uname -a ; ifconfig ed0 ; route get 192.168.0.1 ; ping -c 2 192.168. 0.1 FreeBSD parca.cichlids.com 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #13: Wed Jun 7 15:04:33 CEST 2000 root@parca.cichlids.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/ALPINE.ed alpha ed0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.0.16 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 inet6 fe80::200:b4ff:fe5e:fa71%ed0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 ether 00:00:b4:5e:fa:71 route to: neutron destination: neutron interface: ed0 flags: recvpipe sendpipe ssthresh rtt,msec rttvar hopcount mtu expire 0 0 0 0 0 0 1500 794 PING 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1): 48 data bytes 64 bytes from 192.168.0.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=0.741 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=0.854 ms --- 192.168.0.1 ping statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.741/0.797/0.854/0.057 ms bash-2.04# >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Index: alpha/alpha/vm_machdep.c =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/home/ncvs/src/sys/alpha/alpha/vm_machdep.c,v retrieving revision 1.30 diff -u -r1.30 vm_machdep.c --- alpha/alpha/vm_machdep.c 2000/05/05 09:54:57 1.30 +++ alpha/alpha/vm_machdep.c 2000/06/07 09:30:45 @@ -296,6 +296,20 @@ #endif /* + * Convert kernel VA to physical address + */ +u_long +kvtop(void *addr) +{ + vm_offset_t va; + + va = pmap_kextract((vm_offset_t)addr); + if (va == 0) + panic("kvtop: zero page frame"); + return((int)va); +} + +/* * Map an IO request into kernel virtual address space. * * All requests are (re)mapped into kernel VA space. Index: conf/files =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/home/ncvs/src/sys/conf/files,v retrieving revision 1.372 diff -u -r1.372 files --- conf/files 2000/06/07 04:53:48 1.372 +++ conf/files 2000/06/07 13:12:18 @@ -123,6 +123,9 @@ dev/dpt/dpt_pci.c optional dpt pci dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c optional dpt dev/ed/if_ed_pci.c optional ed pci +dev/ed/if_ed.c optional ed +dev/ed/if_ed_isa.c optional ed isa +dev/ed/if_ed_pccard.c optional ed card dev/en/midway.c optional en dev/ep/if_ep.c optional ep dev/ep/if_ep_eisa.c optional ep eisa Index: conf/files.i386 =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/home/ncvs/src/sys/conf/files.i386,v retrieving revision 1.319 diff -u -r1.319 files.i386 --- conf/files.i386 2000/06/02 09:27:47 1.319 +++ conf/files.i386 2000/06/07 13:12:24 @@ -71,9 +71,6 @@ dev/ata/atapi-cd.c optional atapicd dev/ata/atapi-fd.c optional atapifd dev/ata/atapi-tape.c optional atapist -dev/ed/if_ed.c optional ed -dev/ed/if_ed_isa.c optional ed isa -dev/ed/if_ed_pccard.c optional ed card dev/eisa/eisaconf.c optional eisa dev/fb/fb.c optional fb dev/fb/fb.c optional vga Index: dev/ed/if_ed.c =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/home/ncvs/src/sys/dev/ed/if_ed.c,v retrieving revision 1.180 diff -u -r1.180 if_ed.c --- dev/ed/if_ed.c 2000/06/01 21:55:49 1.180 +++ dev/ed/if_ed.c 2000/06/07 13:11:29 @@ -75,7 +75,7 @@ static void ed_reset __P((struct ifnet *)); static void ed_watchdog __P((struct ifnet *)); -static void ds_getmcaf __P((struct ed_softc *, u_long *)); +static void ds_getmcaf __P((struct ed_softc *, u_int32_t *)); static void ed_get_packet __P((struct ed_softc *, char *, /* u_short */ int)); @@ -98,7 +98,7 @@ static void ed_setrcr __P((struct ed_softc *)); -static u_long ds_crc __P((u_char *ep)); +static u_int32_t ds_crc __P((u_char *ep)); static u_short ed_get_Linksys __P((struct ed_softc *)); @@ -3211,13 +3214,13 @@ } else { /* set up multicast addresses and filter modes */ if (ifp->if_flags & IFF_MULTICAST) { - u_long mcaf[2]; + u_int32_t mcaf[2]; if (ifp->if_flags & IFF_ALLMULTI) { mcaf[0] = 0xffffffff; mcaf[1] = 0xffffffff; } else ds_getmcaf(sc, mcaf); /* * Set multicast filter on chip. @@ -3254,12 +3258,12 @@ /* * Compute crc for ethernet address */ -static u_long +static u_int32_t ds_crc(ep) u_char *ep; { #define POLYNOMIAL 0x04c11db6 - register u_long crc = 0xffffffffL; + register u_int32_t crc = 0xffffffffL; register int carry, i, j; register u_char b; @@ -3284,9 +3288,9 @@ static void ds_getmcaf(sc, mcaf) struct ed_softc *sc; - u_long *mcaf; + u_int32_t *mcaf; { - register u_int index; + register u_int32_t index; register u_char *af = (u_char *) mcaf; struct ifmultiaddr *ifma; Index: dev/ed/if_edreg.h =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/home/ncvs/src/sys/dev/ed/if_edreg.h,v retrieving revision 1.27 diff -u -r1.27 if_edreg.h --- dev/ed/if_edreg.h 1999/09/02 15:06:23 1.27 +++ dev/ed/if_edreg.h 2000/06/07 13:14:53 @@ -788,8 +788,13 @@ #define ED_WD_ROM_CHECKSUM_TOTAL 0xFF #endif +#ifdef __alpha__ +#define ED_WD_NIC_OFFSET 0x00 /* I/O base offset to NIC */ +#define ED_WD_ASIC_OFFSET 0x10 /* I/O base offset to ASIC */ +#else #define ED_WD_NIC_OFFSET 0x10 /* I/O base offset to NIC */ #define ED_WD_ASIC_OFFSET 0 /* I/O base offset to ASIC */ +#endif #define ED_WD_IO_PORTS 32 /* # of i/o addresses used */ #define ED_WD_PAGE_OFFSET 0 /* page offset for NIC access to mem */ Index: dev/ed/if_edvar.h =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/home/ncvs/src/sys/dev/ed/if_edvar.h,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.4 if_edvar.h --- dev/ed/if_edvar.h 1999/12/10 07:22:53 1.4 +++ dev/ed/if_edvar.h 2000/06/07 13:15:24 @@ -48,8 +48,13 @@ struct resource* irq_res; /* resource for irq */ void* irq_handle; /* handle for irq handler */ +#ifdef __alpha__ + u_int asic_addr; /* ASIC I/O bus address */ + u_int nic_addr; /* NIC (DS8390) I/O bus address */ +#else u_short asic_addr; /* ASIC I/O bus address */ u_short nic_addr; /* NIC (DS8390) I/O bus address */ +#endif /* * The following 'proto' variable is part of a work-around for 8013EBT asics @@ -71,7 +76,7 @@ caddr_t mem_start; /* NIC memory start address */ caddr_t mem_end; /* NIC memory end address */ - u_long mem_size; /* total NIC memory size */ + u_int32_t mem_size; /* total NIC memory size */ caddr_t mem_ring; /* start of RX ring-buffer (in NIC mem) */ u_char mem_shared; /* NIC memory is shared with host */ >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 7 11:26:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A8937BAB5 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:26:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12zkXB-000KQb-0Y; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:26:33 +0100 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15392; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:27:38 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:31:39 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Alexander Langer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: device ed (PCI) on alphas In-Reply-To: <20000607152459.B9700@cichlids.cichlids.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Alexander Langer wrote: > Thus spake Doug Rabson (dfr@nlsystems.com): > > > > if ((inb(sc->nic_addr + ED_P0_CR) & > > > (ED_CR_RD2 | ED_CR_TXP | ED_CR_STA | ED_CR_STP)) != > > > (ED_CR_RD2 | ED_CR_STP)) > > > return (0); > > > the inb(...) & vars is == 33, but should be 39. (decimal). > > I don't know what to suggest since I'm not familiar with the hardware. I > > think Warner Losh and Matt Dodd are our resident ed driver people. > > The issue was a bug in the ed driver, which, in my eyes, used the > wrong OFFSETs for the NIC and APIC (mixed). > > NetBSD has the same values but vice versa, so I changed that and > everything worked. > > We have a working Alpha driver for if_ed now. Good. You should run your changes past Warner Losh and/or Matt Dodd to make sure it doesn't break anything on i386. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 20 8442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 7 11:51: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay02.chello.nl (relay02.chello.nl [212.83.68.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B750B37B9CA for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:51:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@chello.nl) Received: from chello.nl ([213.46.78.184]) by relay02.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 2ee4e7c625482f2f2a1950a80f6c8d58) with ESMTP id <20000607185048.TNQA17505.relay02@chello.nl>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:50:48 +0200 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by chello.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01694; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:51:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:51:02 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: wc.bulte@chello.nl, FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Miata console after 'halt' Message-ID: <20000607205102.H1169@freebie.wbnet> Reply-To: wc.bulte@chello.nl References: <20000603130518.A73911@freebie.wbnet> <14649.26030.594976.699497@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000606210319.A1536@freebie.wbnet> <20000606213902.A1826@freebie.wbnet> <14653.24507.982506.700671@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <14653.24507.982506.700671@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Tue, Jun 06, 2000 at 04:32:22PM -0400 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jun 06, 2000 at 04:32:22PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Wilko Bulte writes: > > On Tue, Jun 06, 2000 at 09:03:19PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > > I just installed the latest SRM (V7.2-1) for the Miata on my MX5. After a > > > halt my keyboard now works just dandy, no 'scancode foo' messages anymore. > > > > > > This SRM is on FW cdrom V5.7. > > > > > > I'll also give the Miata GL a try. If this all works out like I hope I'll > > > update HARDWARE.TXT as well. > > > > Problem is fixed on both MX5 and GL. If anyone experiences similar problems > > on different machine types please check if a newer SRM helps. > > Cool.. I'll give it a try. Please post results. I got email telling me it did not help solving the problem at least one person. Beats me for now.. -- Wilko Bulte FreeBSD, the power to serve http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 7 12: 6:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA60337BA9A for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:06:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from neutron.cichlids.com (p3E9C114D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.156.17.77]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25861; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:06:27 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F00C0AC30; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:07:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7DA8614AA8; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:06:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:06:25 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: device ed (PCI) on alphas Message-ID: <20000607210625.E16247@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <20000523091416.B608@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000607152459.B9700@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000607152459.B9700@cichlids.cichlids.com>; from alex@big.endian.de on Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 03:24:59PM +0200 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Alexander Langer (alex@big.endian.de): > The issue was a bug in the ed driver, which, in my eyes, used the > wrong OFFSETs for the NIC and APIC (mixed). Correction: As dg pointed out, I mixed the cards *blush*. In fact, the real solution was the change of the type in the struct softc. Alex -- This is a FreeBSD advocacy ~/.sig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 7 12:10:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A384D37BE5A for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:10:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id MAA20826; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:10:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006071910.MAA20826@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Cc: From: Alexander Langer Subject: Re: alpha/19089: Patch: Add if_ed support to FreeBSD/Alpha Reply-To: Alexander Langer Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR alpha/19089; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Alexander Langer To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Subject: Re: alpha/19089: Patch: Add if_ed support to FreeBSD/Alpha Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:07:39 +0200 Remove that part, it's wrong: > Index: dev/ed/if_edreg.h > =================================================================== > RCS file: /usr/home/ncvs/src/sys/dev/ed/if_edreg.h,v > retrieving revision 1.27 > diff -u -r1.27 if_edreg.h > --- dev/ed/if_edreg.h 1999/09/02 15:06:23 1.27 > +++ dev/ed/if_edreg.h 2000/06/07 13:14:53 > @@ -788,8 +788,13 @@ > #define ED_WD_ROM_CHECKSUM_TOTAL 0xFF > #endif > > +#ifdef __alpha__ > +#define ED_WD_NIC_OFFSET 0x00 /* I/O base offset to NIC */ > +#define ED_WD_ASIC_OFFSET 0x10 /* I/O base offset to ASIC */ > +#else > #define ED_WD_NIC_OFFSET 0x10 /* I/O base offset to NIC */ > #define ED_WD_ASIC_OFFSET 0 /* I/O base offset to ASIC */ > +#endif > #define ED_WD_IO_PORTS 32 /* # of i/o addresses used */ > > #define ED_WD_PAGE_OFFSET 0 /* page offset for NIC access to mem */ Alex -- This is a FreeBSD advocacy ~/.sig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 7 19: 4: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eel.radicalmedia.com (eel.radicalmedia.com [204.254.246.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A1337B94D for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:03:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phiber@eel.radicalmedia.com) Received: (from phiber@localhost) by eel.radicalmedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15730; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:02:43 -0400 From: Mark Abene To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: paulp@uts.amdahl.com Subject: Re: msdosfs is broken... Message-ID: <20000607220243.B13423@radicalmedia.com> References: <20000607041413.B4164@radicalmedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <20000607041413.B4164@radicalmedia.com>; from Mark Abene on Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 04:14:13AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been poking around in /sys/msdosfs and come to the conclusion that much of the use of u_long's and long's are causing the breakage on the alpha. I'm copying this message to the author of the code, but was just curious if anyone on this list is responsible for the code where it concerns portability issues on the alpha? Cheers, -Mark On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 04:14:13AM -0400, Mark Abene wrote: > Regarding my earlier message regarding msdos images and the vn driver, it > turns out that there's nothing wrong with the vn driver at all. > It's the msdosfs driver that appears broken. I just tried mounting an actual > msdos floppy, and trying to read or write files greater than 1024 bytes > returns "Argument list too long" and fails. > I'm running 4.0-RELEASE. Can anyone else verify this problem? I've filed > it as PR misc/19086 with gnats. MSDOSFS support is compiled into the kernel. > Mounting and unmounting the floppy causes no errors. > > Thanks, > -Mark > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 8 10:21:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF2E37C05C for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:21:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19440 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:21:09 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:20:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: nullfs broken on alpha? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was building in a nullfs mounted on top of an NFS directory when this happened. Sigh, not much info to go on.... Anyone seen anything similar? fatal kernel trap: trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) a0 = 0x90 a1 = 0x1 a2 = 0x0 pc = 0xfffffc000055d348 ra = 0xfffffc000055d124 curproc = 0xfffffe002848d9c0 pid = 49787, comm = make ddbprinttrap from 0xfffffc000055d348 ddbprinttrap(0x90, 0x1, 0x0, 0x2) panic: trap panic Stopped at Debugger+0x2c: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffe002c17f6a0> db> t Debugger() at Debugger+0x2c panic() at panic+0x100 trap() at trap+0x630 XentMM() at XentMM+0x20 ffs_getpages() at ffs_getpages+0x1c4 (null)() at 0x4 db> c syncing disks... 86 86 86 86 86 86 86 86 86 86 86 86 86 86 86 86 86 86 86 86 1: dev:#da/8, flags:000200a0, blkno:135600, lblkno:0 2: dev:#da/8, flags:21021024, blkno:480366, lblkno:0 3: dev:#da/8, flags:01011024, blkno:466782, lblkno:0 4: dev:MFS0, flags:01020024, blkno:64, lblkno:64 5: dev:MFS0, flags:01010024, blkno:1600, lblkno:1600 6: dev:#da/8, flags:01031024, blkno:134480, lblkno:3 7: dev:#da/8, flags:21020024, blkno:131264, lblkno:131264 8: dev:#da/8, flags:01031024, blkno:134920, lblkno:0 9: dev:MFS0, flags:01010024, blkno:16, lblkno:16 10: dev:#da/8, flags:21020024, blkno:6881424, lblkno:6881424 11: dev:#da/8, flags:21020024, blkno:6881440, lblkno:6881440 12: dev:#da/8, flags:21020024, blkno:6619360, lblkno:6619360 13: dev:#da/8, flags:01031024, blkno:134736, lblkno:7 14: dev:#da/8, flags:21020024, blkno:458960, lblkno:458960 15: dev:#da/8, flags:01000024, blkno:131120, lblkno:131120 16: dev:#da/8, flags:21020024, blkno:6619584, lblkno:6619584 17: dev:#da/8, flags:01021024, blkno:134608, lblkno:3 18: dev:#da/8, flags:01031024, blkno:134288, lblkno:0 19: dev:#da/8, flags:01021024, blkno:134960, lblkno:2 20: dev:#da/8, flags:21020024, blkno:6619296, lblkno:6619296 21: dev:#da/8, flags:01011024, blkno:3808574, lblkno:0 22: dev:#da/8, flags:01031024, blkno:137160, lblkno:3 23: dev:#da/8, flags:21020024, blkno:131584, lblkno:131584 24: dev:#da/8, flags:01021024, blkno:135184, lblkno:0 25: dev:#da/8, flags:21020024, blkno:6619312, lblkno:6619312 26: dev:#da/8, flags:21020024, blkno:131328, lblkno:131328 27: dev:#da/8, flags:21020024, blkno:1704096, lblkno:1704096 28: dev:#da/8, flags:21020024, blkno:2556432, lblkno:2556432 29: dev:#da/8, flags:21020024, blkno:64, lblkno:64 30: dev:MFS0, flags:01011024, blkno:1616, lblkno:0 31: dev:#da/8, flags:21020024, blkno:131600, lblkno:131600 32: dev:MFS0, flags:01000024, blkno:48, lblkno:48 33: dev:#da/8, flags:01031024, blkno:135280, lblkno:7 34: dev:#da/8, flags:01001024, blkno:134848, lblkno:0 35: dev:#da/8, flags:21020024, blkno:2818208, lblkno:2818208 36: dev:#da/8, flags:21020024, blkno:6160512, lblkno:6160512 37: dev:#da/8, flags:21020024, blkno:3801232, lblkno:3801232 38: dev:#da/8, flags:21020024, blkno:6619280, lblkno:6619280 39: dev:#da/8, flags:01020024, blkno:135472, lblkno:4 40: dev:#da/8, flags:01021024, blkno:135408, lblkno:2 41: dev:#da/8, flags:000200a0, blkno:135616, lblkno:3 42: dev:#da/8, flags:01020024, blkno:135584, lblkno:1 43: dev:#da/8, flags:01021024, blkno:135284, lblkno:7 44: dev:#da/8, flags:01031024, blkno:134272, lblkno:0 45: dev:#da/8, flags:01021024, blkno:135424, lblkno:1 46: dev:#da/8, flags:01021024, blkno:135440, lblkno:0 47: dev:#da/8, flags:21020024, blkno:6619328, lblkno:6619328 48: dev:#da/8, flags:21020024, blkno:6881456, lblkno:6881456 49: dev:#da/8, flags:21000024, blkno:16, lblkno:16 50: dev:#da/8, flags:21000024, blkno:2048, lblkno:2048 giving up on 50 buffers Uptime: 10h23m24s Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 8 10:26: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D1137BA8D for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:25:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14125; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA10623; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:25:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:25:18 -0400 (EDT) To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nullfs broken on alpha? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14655.55017.616832.725282@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob writes: > > I was building in a nullfs mounted on top of an NFS directory when this > happened. Sigh, not much info to go on.... Anyone seen anything similar? > > From the i386 LINT: # NB: The NULL, PORTAL, UMAP and UNION filesystems are known to be # buggy, and WILL panic your system if you attempt to do anything with # them. They are included here as an incentive for some enterprising # soul to sit down and fix them. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 8 11: 2:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD1237B608 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:02:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19568; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:02:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:01:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nullfs broken on alpha? In-Reply-To: <14655.55017.616832.725282@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Grump. I thought was from 1997. I guess nobody's been enterprising. On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Matthew Jacob writes: > > > > I was building in a nullfs mounted on top of an NFS directory when this > > happened. Sigh, not much info to go on.... Anyone seen anything similar? > > > > > > >From the i386 LINT: > > # NB: The NULL, PORTAL, UMAP and UNION filesystems are known to be > # buggy, and WILL panic your system if you attempt to do anything with > # them. They are included here as an incentive for some enterprising > # soul to sit down and fix them. > > > Drew > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 8 14: 0:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eel.radicalmedia.com (eel.radicalmedia.com [204.254.246.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F6C37C280; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:00:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phiber@eel.radicalmedia.com) Received: (from phiber@localhost) by eel.radicalmedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25276; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:47:02 -0400 From: Mark Abene To: Bruce Evans Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: misc/19086: pseudo-device vn doesn't work properly with msdos filesystems Message-ID: <20000608164702.A25023@radicalmedia.com> References: <20000608062159.A17655@radicalmedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Bruce Evans on Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 12:06:35AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 12:06:35AM +1000, Bruce Evans wrote: > msdosfs metadata is riddled with unaligned fields in Intel (little endian) > order. naligned_fixup() apparently has problems fixing up the unaligned > accesses related to this. Try changing getushort(), etc., in msdosfs to > do byte accesses even in the little endian case. These macros currently > only do byte access to fix up the byte order in the big endian case. It > should use something like ntohs() for that and be more careful about > unaligned accesses. > > Bruce > That did the trick! It's now working nicely. Please accept the following interim patch against 4.0-RELEASE, and thanks for the assistance! **cut here** --- msdosfs.orig/bpb.h Fri Aug 27 20:48:07 1999 +++ msdosfs/bpb.h Thu Jun 8 16:25:15 2000 @@ -114,7 +114,7 @@ * use the macros for the big-endian case. */ #include -#if (BYTE_ORDER == LITTLE_ENDIAN) /* && defined(UNALIGNED_ACCESS) */ +#if (BYTE_ORDER == LITTLE_ENDIAN) && !defined(__alpha__) /* && defined(UNALIGNED_ACCESS) */ #define getushort(x) *((u_int16_t *)(x)) #define getulong(x) *((u_int32_t *)(x)) #define putushort(p, v) (*((u_int16_t *)(p)) = (v)) --- msdosfs.orig/msdosfsmount.h Thu Jan 27 09:43:07 2000 +++ msdosfs/msdosfsmount.h Thu Jun 8 16:14:18 2000 @@ -84,7 +84,7 @@ u_long pm_fatblocksize; /* size of fat blocks in bytes */ u_long pm_fatblocksec; /* size of fat blocks in sectors */ u_long pm_fatsize; /* size of fat in bytes */ - u_long pm_fatmask; /* mask to use for fat numbers */ + u_int32_t pm_fatmask; /* mask to use for fat numbers */ u_long pm_fsinfo; /* fsinfo block number */ u_long pm_nxtfree; /* next free cluster in fsinfo block */ u_int pm_fatmult; /* these 2 values are used in fat */ **cut here** Cheers, -Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 8 14:59:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp09.phx.gblx.net (smtp09.phx.gblx.net [206.165.6.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5231837BF4C for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:59:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp09.phx.gblx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11760; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:59:14 -0700 Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp09.phx.gblx.net, id smtpdRuC_Ua; Thu Jun 8 14:59:06 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA22241; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:59:02 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200006082159.OAA22241@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: nullfs broken on alpha? To: mjacob@feral.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:59:02 +0000 (GMT) Cc: gallatin@cs.duke.edu (Andrew Gallatin), alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Matthew Jacob" at Jun 08, 2000 11:01:44 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob writes: > On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Matthew Jacob writes: > > > > > > I was building in a nullfs mounted on top of an NFS directory when this > > > happened. Sigh, not much info to go on.... Anyone seen anything similar? > > > > >From the i386 LINT: > > > > # NB: The NULL, PORTAL, UMAP and UNION filesystems are known to be > > # buggy, and WILL panic your system if you attempt to do anything with > > # them. They are included here as an incentive for some enterprising > > # soul to sit down and fix them. > > Grump. I thought was from 1997. I guess nobody's been enterprising. They work on my machines. I could maybe wrap up the 20M of diffs I've made to FreeBSD since 1998 or so in a month or two, if you would actually use them. I've had no luck getting them into FreeBSD because to break them up into small enough chunks removes any obvious reason for needing the changes (i.e. when they are chunked small enough, they appear gratuitous until you add enough of them together that they are no longer chunked small enough). I have to say that for net booting FreeBSD off of old machines that can't support 32 bit major/minor numbers, nothing beats a working version of Julian's devfs. Remind me to buy a laptop, and I'll bring a copy of my system into one of the user group meetings some time. As a bonus, I'll show you quotas working on msdosfs and ext2fs as a VFS stacking layer... 8-p. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 8 15:16:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eel.radicalmedia.com (eel.radicalmedia.com [204.254.246.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7027437BCDE for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:16:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phiber@eel.radicalmedia.com) Received: (from phiber@localhost) by eel.radicalmedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26660; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:16:28 -0400 From: Mark Abene To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nullfs broken on alpha? Message-ID: <20000608181628.C25023@radicalmedia.com> References: <200006082159.OAA22241@usr05.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <200006082159.OAA22241@usr05.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 09:59:02PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well I for one am very interested in obtaining your diffs. Specifically I'd like to see stable PORTAL support, among other things. At least up to speed with NetBSD's. Cheers, -Mark On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 09:59:02PM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > They work on my machines. I could maybe wrap up the 20M of diffs > I've made to FreeBSD since 1998 or so in a month or two, if you > would actually use them. I've had no luck getting them into FreeBSD > because to break them up into small enough chunks removes any obvious > reason for needing the changes (i.e. when they are chunked small > enough, they appear gratuitous until you add enough of them together > that they are no longer chunked small enough). > > I have to say that for net booting FreeBSD off of old machines that > can't support 32 bit major/minor numbers, nothing beats a working > version of Julian's devfs. > > Remind me to buy a laptop, and I'll bring a copy of my system into > one of the user group meetings some time. As a bonus, I'll show > you quotas working on msdosfs and ext2fs as a VFS stacking layer... > > 8-p. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 8 20:23: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313A937BB5B for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:22:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20851; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:22:47 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:22:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Terry Lambert Cc: Andrew Gallatin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nullfs broken on alpha? In-Reply-To: <200006082159.OAA22241@usr05.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So, err, uh, there's a lot in this mail, but the obvious questions are: 1. Why haven't you put the changes into FreeBSD? 2. Why don't we also have a working devfs checked in? On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Terry Lambert wrote: > Matthew Jacob writes: > > On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > Matthew Jacob writes: > > > > > > > > I was building in a nullfs mounted on top of an NFS directory when this > > > > happened. Sigh, not much info to go on.... Anyone seen anything similar? > > > > > > >From the i386 LINT: > > > > > > # NB: The NULL, PORTAL, UMAP and UNION filesystems are known to be > > > # buggy, and WILL panic your system if you attempt to do anything with > > > # them. They are included here as an incentive for some enterprising > > > # soul to sit down and fix them. > > > > Grump. I thought was from 1997. I guess nobody's been enterprising. > > They work on my machines. I could maybe wrap up the 20M of diffs > I've made to FreeBSD since 1998 or so in a month or two, if you > would actually use them. I've had no luck getting them into FreeBSD > because to break them up into small enough chunks removes any obvious > reason for needing the changes (i.e. when they are chunked small > enough, they appear gratuitous until you add enough of them together > that they are no longer chunked small enough). > > I have to say that for net booting FreeBSD off of old machines that > can't support 32 bit major/minor numbers, nothing beats a working > version of Julian's devfs. > > Remind me to buy a laptop, and I'll bring a copy of my system into > one of the user group meetings some time. As a bonus, I'll show > you quotas working on msdosfs and ext2fs as a VFS stacking layer... > > 8-p. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jun 9 12:16:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A6E37C3E3 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:16:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11446; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:16:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAXTa4kw; Fri Jun 9 12:16:01 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA22768; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:16:19 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200006091916.MAA22768@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: nullfs broken on alpha? To: mjacob@feral.com Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:16:19 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), gallatin@cs.duke.edu (Andrew Gallatin), alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Matthew Jacob" at Jun 08, 2000 08:22:48 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > So, err, uh, there's a lot in this mail, but the obvious questions are: > > 1. Why haven't you put the changes into FreeBSD? As I said: to make the changes small enough to be palletable, they have to be broken into smaller parts. The smaller parts have no obvious utility, and often appear to be gratuitous changes which can not be justified by themselves. > 2. Why don't we also have a working devfs checked in? Some people claimed they needed persistance other than rc.local, and the SLICE code is pretty much required for it to work. Be aware that my devfs is based on Julian's, but not identical; I don't have persistance, and I mount it as / with one subdirectory /dev, and then union mount the real root over top of it. This lets me use device arrival events as a result of device probes and the "last mounted on" field to pick my mount points. I have an fstab, but it's mostly for NFS and administrative override to force an arriving device to _not_ be mounted (e.g. "/mnt" was the last mount point, or the device would be mounted on a device-named mount point like "/cdrom", and I don't want that or there is more than one CDROM device in the box). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jun 9 12:20:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from switch2.switchpwr.com (switch1.switchpwr.com [12.14.48.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0660C37B892 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:20:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from melk@switchpwr.com) Received: from switchpwr.com (switch1.switchpwr.com [12.14.48.19]) by switch2.switchpwr.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA15559 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:03:17 -0400 Message-ID: <39416E3B.B329831A@switchpwr.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 15:22:52 -0700 From: mel kravitz Organization: switching power inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; NetBSD 1.4Y i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: source and docs for installing on 164SX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What ftp.freebsd.org/pub/ dir contains latest snapshot for net install on a an alpha 164SX ,also install floppies from the srm console. Install docs. location? Supported hardware? Why is there no reference to Alpha support on http://www.freebsd.org site? -Mel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jun 9 12:37:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52CD37C49A for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:37:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07289; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA13611; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:36:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:36:38 -0400 (EDT) To: mel kravitz Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: source and docs for installing on 164SX In-Reply-To: <39416E3B.B329831A@switchpwr.com> References: <39416E3B.B329831A@switchpwr.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14657.17950.213943.758265@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org mel kravitz writes: > What ftp.freebsd.org/pub/ dir contains latest snapshot for net install Have a look at: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/4.0-RELEASE The latest snapshot is 4.0-RELEASE > on a an alpha 164SX ,also > install floppies from the srm console. Install docs. location? Supported Floppies at: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/4.0-RELEASE/floppies/ Read ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/4.0-RELEASE/INSTALL.TXT And read the bottom 1/2 of ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/4.0-RELEASE/HARDWARE.TXT for alpha-specific hardware docs. > hardware? Why is there no reference to Alpha support on > http://www.freebsd.org site? Primarily because nobody has written them. If you'd like to write some web pages for the alpha port, I'm sure the docs peoeple would appreciate it. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jun 9 12:38: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay01.chello.nl (smtp.chello.nl [212.83.68.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFDF537C40D for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:37:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@chello.nl) Received: from chello.nl ([213.46.78.184]) by relay01.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 2ee4e7c625482f2f2a1950a80f6c8d58) with ESMTP id <20000609193831.KOTR8610.relay01@chello.nl>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:38:31 +0200 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by chello.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28769; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:37:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:37:47 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: mel kravitz Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: source and docs for installing on 164SX Message-ID: <20000609213747.A28745@freebie.wbnet> Reply-To: wc.bulte@chello.nl References: <39416E3B.B329831A@switchpwr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <39416E3B.B329831A@switchpwr.com>; from melk@switchpwr.com on Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 03:22:52PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 03:22:52PM -0700, mel kravitz wrote: > What ftp.freebsd.org/pub/ dir contains latest snapshot for net install > on a an alpha 164SX ,also > install floppies from the srm console. Install docs. location? Supported > hardware? Why is there no reference to Alpha support on > http://www.freebsd.org site? For supported hardware see the HARDWARE.TXT and RELNOTES found on the CD or (in the source tree) in [/usr/src]/release/texts/alpha And you are welcome to join the doc team I would think.. -- Wilko Bulte FreeBSD, the power to serve http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jun 9 17:15:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.az.home.com (ha1.rdc1.az.home.com [24.1.240.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016E537B847 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:15:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpmcgraw1@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.1.247.6]) by mail.rdc1.az.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000610001516.ZIHJ11091.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@home.com> for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:15:16 -0700 Message-ID: <3942D275.48165F30@home.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:42:45 -0700 From: Joel Mc Graw Organization: The Hood X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Alpha wannabe newbie--what hardware? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I'm a PC-bound FreeBSD lover that wants to get an alpha to play with. According to the description on FreeBSD mall: FreeBSD/AXP supports the following alpha platforms: UDB, Multia, AXPpci33, Noname EB164, PC164, PC164LX, PC164SX EB64+, Aspen Alpine, etc AlphaStation 200, 250, 255, 400 AlphaStation 500, 600 Digital Personal Workstation 433, 500, 600 Compaq Professional Workstation XP900, XP1000, AlphaServer DS10 DEC3000/300 family (netboot only) DEC3000/[4-9]00 family (netboot only) On ebay I've seen several machines billing themselves as Alpha 500a workstations. Is there a difference between these and the Personal Workstation 500 listed above? What other issues should I be aware of? Suggestions? Is there some really good documentation somewhere? Thankyou -- Joel Mc Graw "Where there is faith there is no peace." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jun 9 17:19:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF2337B70D for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:19:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23888; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:19:11 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:18:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Joel Mc Graw Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha wannabe newbie--what hardware? In-Reply-To: <3942D275.48165F30@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org AlphaServer 8200 (TurboLaser) and AlphaServer 4100 (Rawhide) have been added recently. On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Joel Mc Graw wrote: > Hello, > > I'm a PC-bound FreeBSD lover that wants to get an alpha to play with. > According to the description on FreeBSD mall: > > FreeBSD/AXP supports the following alpha platforms: > > UDB, Multia, AXPpci33, Noname > EB164, PC164, PC164LX, PC164SX > EB64+, Aspen Alpine, etc > AlphaStation 200, 250, 255, 400 > AlphaStation 500, 600 > Digital Personal Workstation 433, 500, 600 > Compaq Professional Workstation XP900, > XP1000, AlphaServer DS10 > DEC3000/300 family (netboot only) > DEC3000/[4-9]00 family (netboot only) > > > On ebay I've seen several machines billing themselves as Alpha 500a > workstations. Is there a difference between these and the Personal > Workstation 500 listed above? What other issues should I be aware of? > Suggestions? Is there some really good documentation somewhere? > > Thankyou > > > -- > Joel Mc Graw > > "Where there is faith there is no peace." > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jun 9 18:44:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2B937C5C7 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:44:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04709; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:44:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA62930; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:45:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:45:17 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Joel Mc Graw Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha wannabe newbie--what hardware? Message-ID: <20000609184517.A62897@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <3942D275.48165F30@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3942D275.48165F30@home.com>; from jpmcgraw1@home.com on Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 04:42:45PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 04:42:45PM -0700, Joel Mc Graw wrote: > On ebay I've seen several machines billing themselves as Alpha 500a > workstations. Is there a difference between these and the Personal > Workstation 500 listed above? They are the same. 500a ==> NT Workstation, 500au ==> Unix workstation. The only difference for running FreeBSD is that you must switch into SRM (load the SRM firmware) before using FreeBSD. The 500au's should have SRM active straight from out of the box. That said, you should run the most current version of SRM, so even with a 500au I would update the firmware. The 500a[u]'s make are very fine FreeBSD machines. Especially for the cost. Mine was $750 with 2MB L3/B-cache and 256MB DIMM RAM. Note: make sure you buy with one L3 cache (DEC calls it "B-cache"). -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jun 10 2:22:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay02.chello.nl (relay02.chello.nl [212.83.68.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96FA537B723 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 02:22:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@chello.nl) Received: from chello.nl ([213.46.78.184]) by relay02.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 2ee4e7c625482f2f2a1950a80f6c8d58) with ESMTP id <20000610092150.QWAI17505.relay02@chello.nl>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:21:50 +0200 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by chello.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA33976; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:22:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:22:03 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Joel Mc Graw Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha wannabe newbie--what hardware? Message-ID: <20000610112203.A33942@freebie.wbnet> Reply-To: wc.bulte@chello.nl References: <3942D275.48165F30@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3942D275.48165F30@home.com>; from jpmcgraw1@home.com on Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 04:42:45PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 04:42:45PM -0700, Joel Mc Graw wrote: > Hello, > > I'm a PC-bound FreeBSD lover that wants to get an alpha to play with. > According to the description on FreeBSD mall: > > FreeBSD/AXP supports the following alpha platforms: > > UDB, Multia, AXPpci33, Noname > EB164, PC164, PC164LX, PC164SX > EB64+, Aspen Alpine, etc > AlphaStation 200, 250, 255, 400 > AlphaStation 500, 600 > Digital Personal Workstation 433, 500, 600 > Compaq Professional Workstation XP900, > XP1000, AlphaServer DS10 > DEC3000/300 family (netboot only) > DEC3000/[4-9]00 family (netboot only) > > > On ebay I've seen several machines billing themselves as Alpha 500a > workstations. Is there a difference between these and the Personal > Workstation 500 listed above? What other issues should I be aware of? PWS###a is the NT variant, the PWS### is the Unix/VMS variant. See: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/4.0-RELEASE/HARDWARE.TXT for more info -- Wilko Bulte FreeBSD, the power to serve http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jun 10 2:24:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay02.chello.nl (relay02.chello.nl [212.83.68.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8912B37B607; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 02:24:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@chello.nl) Received: from chello.nl ([213.46.78.184]) by relay02.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 2ee4e7c625482f2f2a1950a80f6c8d58) with ESMTP id <20000610092428.QWKL17505.relay02@chello.nl>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:24:28 +0200 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by chello.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA34002; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:24:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:24:41 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Joel Mc Graw , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha wannabe newbie--what hardware? Message-ID: <20000610112441.B33942@freebie.wbnet> Reply-To: wc.bulte@chello.nl References: <3942D275.48165F30@home.com> <20000609184517.A62897@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000609184517.A62897@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 06:45:17PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 06:45:17PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 04:42:45PM -0700, Joel Mc Graw wrote: > > On ebay I've seen several machines billing themselves as Alpha 500a > > workstations. Is there a difference between these and the Personal > > Workstation 500 listed above? > > They are the same. 500a ==> NT Workstation, 500au ==> Unix workstation. > The only difference for running FreeBSD is that you must switch into SRM > (load the SRM firmware) before using FreeBSD. The 500au's should have > SRM active straight from out of the box. That said, you should run the > most current version of SRM, so even with a 500au I would update the > firmware. And you might need another SCSI controller. The MX5 variant (as opposed to the GL variant) does not have an onboard SCSI controller. And the NT variants will most likely have an Adaptec PCI SCSI controller which cannot be booted from using the SRM console. Or you can use an IDE disk of course. > The 500a[u]'s make are very fine FreeBSD machines. Especially for the > cost. Mine was $750 with 2MB L3/B-cache and 256MB DIMM RAM. Note: make > sure you buy with one L3 cache (DEC calls it "B-cache"). But without external cache module it will also run fine, so if you can't get that would also be a nice machine. With L3 is nicer of course. -- Wilko Bulte FreeBSD, the power to serve http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jun 10 2:32:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay02.chello.nl (relay02.chello.nl [212.83.68.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8C837B723 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 02:32:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@chello.nl) Received: from chello.nl ([213.46.78.184]) by relay02.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 2ee4e7c625482f2f2a1950a80f6c8d58) with ESMTP id <20000610093151.QXLY17505.relay02@chello.nl>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:31:51 +0200 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by chello.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA34066; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:32:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:32:04 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: wc.bulte@chello.nl Cc: Joel Mc Graw , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha wannabe newbie--what hardware? Message-ID: <20000610113204.D33942@freebie.wbnet> Reply-To: wc.bulte@chello.nl References: <3942D275.48165F30@home.com> <20000610112203.A33942@freebie.wbnet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000610112203.A33942@freebie.wbnet>; from wkb@chello.nl on Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 11:22:03AM +0200 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 11:22:03AM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 04:42:45PM -0700, Joel Mc Graw wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I'm a PC-bound FreeBSD lover that wants to get an alpha to play with. > > According to the description on FreeBSD mall: > > > > FreeBSD/AXP supports the following alpha platforms: > > > > UDB, Multia, AXPpci33, Noname > > EB164, PC164, PC164LX, PC164SX > > EB64+, Aspen Alpine, etc > > AlphaStation 200, 250, 255, 400 > > AlphaStation 500, 600 > > Digital Personal Workstation 433, 500, 600 > > Compaq Professional Workstation XP900, > > XP1000, AlphaServer DS10 > > DEC3000/300 family (netboot only) > > DEC3000/[4-9]00 family (netboot only) > > > > > > On ebay I've seen several machines billing themselves as Alpha 500a > > workstations. Is there a difference between these and the Personal > > Workstation 500 listed above? What other issues should I be aware of? > > PWS###a is the NT variant, the PWS### is the Unix/VMS variant. PWS###au where ### is the CPU clock speed. Grmublr.. -- Wilko Bulte FreeBSD, the power to serve http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message