From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 15 2:14:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from balu.sch.bme.hu (balu.sch.bme.hu [152.66.224.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 024BB37B66D for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from simba.sch.bme.hu (simba.sch.bme.hu [152.66.227.11]) by balu.sch.bme.hu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA05539; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 11:13:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost by simba.sch.bme.hu (8.8.8/1.1.22.3/05Oct00-1014PM) id LAA0000001653; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 11:13:52 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 11:13:51 +0200 (MET DST) From: Gyenes Istvan To: Jason R Thorpe Cc: Craig Burgess , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, port-alpha@netbsd.org Subject: Re: EB164 SRM console? In-Reply-To: <20001013152401.O1057@dr-evil.shagadelic.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks to all who replyed! After 5 hours trying I finally updated the flash with the SRM code. At least I know that I have a bad floppy drive! (That was the problem) Thanks again, -- frts On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Jason R Thorpe wrote: > Okay, I'm about to leave for a weekend vacation... but on Monday, I'll > write up a little tutorial on how to Fix your machine (it may involve > MOP booting the firmware update utility). > > -- > -- Jason R. Thorpe > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 15 22:18:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gplsucks.org (mail.gplsucks.org [63.227.213.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1878137B503 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bwoods2@localhost) by mail.gplsucks.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id e9G5Ifg16966 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:18:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Woods mail To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: ipf on an Alpha Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just a note, maby its me, but I tried to compile a kernel on an Alpha 200 4/233 running 4.1.1-stable with these options: options IPDIVERT options IPFILTER options IPFILTER_LOG options IPSTEALTH and the kernel compiled fine, but was un-bootable. It would start to boot, load the kernel then go back to the srm console: >>> When I compiled WITHOUT those options, it works fine, can anyone confirm this? Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 16 7:21:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6959637B673 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 07:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14479; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9GELAE88802; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:21:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:21:10 -0400 (EDT) To: Bill Woods mail Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipf on an Alpha In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14827.3599.623796.226648@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Woods mail writes: > Just a note, maby its me, but I tried to compile a kernel on an Alpha 200 > 4/233 running 4.1.1-stable with these options: > > options IPDIVERT > options IPFILTER > options IPFILTER_LOG > options IPSTEALTH > > and the kernel compiled fine, but was un-bootable. It would start to boot, > load the kernel then go back to the srm console: > > >>> > > > When I compiled WITHOUT those options, it works fine, can anyone confirm > this? Was anything printed at all after it finished loading the kernel but before it dropped back to the SRM console prompt? (like the copyright?) Also, it may be the size problem that was being discussed here last week. What is the size of the failing kernel. In particular, how big is the .got section if you do 'objdump --headers' on the failing kernel? Thanks, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 16 9:29:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A129A37B503 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17349; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9GGT7S89145; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:29:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:29:06 -0400 (EDT) To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: size problems with INVARIANTS/DIAGNOSTIC -current kernels In-Reply-To: References: <14823.2097.382096.942072@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14827.11266.106941.884245@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson writes: > > I think the safest might be to put it into the PALVECT macro. OK, the following gets me booting multi-user on my UP1000 with today's -current after I remove the random device (not sure why, but with the random device in the kerne, bootup stops at ldconfig, which is waiting in rnd_something).. Without modifying XentSys, I get bizzare panics just after init starts. I figured we'd also need it in XentUna1. Do you approve of the following patch? Index: alpha/exception.s =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/alpha/alpha/exception.s,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.3 exception.s --- alpha/exception.s 1999/08/28 00:38:26 1.3 +++ alpha/exception.s 2000/10/16 16:03:29 @@ -124,6 +124,8 @@ /* syscall number, passed in v0, is first arg, frame pointer second */ mov v0,a0 mov sp,a1 ; .loc 1 __LINE__ + br pv,XentSys1 +XentSys1: LDGP(pv) CALL(syscall) jmp zero, exception_return @@ -147,6 +149,8 @@ /* a0, a1, & a2 already set up */ ldiq a3, ALPHA_KENTRY_UNA mov sp, a4 ; .loc 1 __LINE__ + br pv, XentUna1 +XentUna1: LDGP(pv) CALL(trap) jmp zero, exception_return Index: include/asm.h =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/alpha/include/asm.h,v retrieving revision 1.7 diff -u -r1.7 asm.h --- include/asm.h 2000/09/07 01:32:40 1.7 +++ include/asm.h 2000/10/16 14:33:47 @@ -250,7 +250,10 @@ #define PALVECT(_name_) \ ESETUP(_name_); \ - ERSAVE() + ERSAVE(); \ + br pv, _name_##lgp; \ +_name_##lgp:; \ + LDGP(pv) #define ESETUP(_name_) \ .loc 1 __LINE__; \ Thanks, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 16 12:14:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cafes.net (mail.cafes.net [207.65.182.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E563237B502 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cafes.net (mail.cafes.net [207.65.182.25]) by mail.cafes.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06723 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:14:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:14:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Eldridge To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: alpha multia axp (aka noname) boot problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have an Alpha Multia AXP 166mhz box that I've been running Linux on for a couple of years and decided I'd try FreeBSD. I created the two 1.44MB floppies needed and booted with them. I kept getting the soft errors as described in some of the FreeBSD documentation. During kernel boot, it spit out "dec_axppci_33_intr_map: bad interrupt pin 192" about 80 times and then the kernel failed with a memory management fault. Now, the documentation said booting from floppy with this type of alpha was broken, so I burned a cd and was going to boot from the cd. I got a couple of soft errors to the effect of "device dka2: sense error", but the kernel started to boot. It failed again at the same places, spitting out loads of garbage about bad interrupt pins. I've also read that you can't use FreeBSD on the console with Multias because of some issue with the video card. I'm not quite sure I understand why this is, I ran Linux on the console just fine (I even got it to run X!, although only at 640x480). Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike ----------------------------------------------------- Save the whales. Feed the hungry. Free the mallocs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 16 13: 3:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8466C37B66F for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13lGU9-0008IK-0A; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:03:50 +0000 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22040; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:06:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:03:14 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: size problems with INVARIANTS/DIAGNOSTIC -current kernels In-Reply-To: <14827.11266.106941.884245@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Doug Rabson writes: > > > > I think the safest might be to put it into the PALVECT macro. > > OK, the following gets me booting multi-user on my UP1000 with today's > -current after I remove the random device (not sure why, but with the > random device in the kerne, bootup stops at ldconfig, which is waiting > in rnd_something).. > > Without modifying XentSys, I get bizzare panics just after init > starts. I figured we'd also need it in XentUna1. > > Do you approve of the following patch? Looks like it just what the doctor ordered. PS. Will you be around at BSDCon? -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Phone: +44 20 8348 6160 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 16 13: 6:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.dev.itouchnet.net (mx1.dev.itouchnet.net [196.14.181.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C201937B66C for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by mx1.dev.itouchnet.net with scanned_ok (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13lGUg-0005RJ-00 for alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:04:22 +0200 Received: from devco.net ([196.14.181.39] helo=e0-ter-fw1.dev.itouchnet.net) by mx1.dev.itouchnet.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13lGUf-0005RA-00 for alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:04:21 +0200 Received: from dreamcast.prv.dev.itouchnet.net ([192.168.8.34] helo=narya.prv.dev.itouchnet.net) by e0-ter-fw1.dev.itouchnet.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13lGX9-000Mcd-00 for alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:06:55 +0200 Received: from ljb by narya.prv.dev.itouchnet.net with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13lGai-0001v4-00 for alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:10:36 +0200 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:10:36 +0200 From: Leon Breedt To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Problems booting AlphaStation 600 after installation Message-ID: <20001016221036.A7361@dreamcast.prv.dev.itouchnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Checked: This message has been scanned for any virusses and unauthorized attachments. X-iScan: Version $Id: iScan,v 1.26 2000/10/08 14:12:55 rip Exp $ Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. I get 4.1-RELEASE to install fine on this machine, and get no errors. However, when I try to boot the newly installed machine, it gets as far as: Loading /boot/loader... After which the error message: Insufficient dynamic memory for a request of 3812332095 bytes Is displayed, and some kind of dump is done. Any ideas? Please CC me on replies, I'm not subscribed to the list. Thanks in advance, Leon. -- System Administrator, Devco : http://www.devco.net Office : +27-21-415-2100 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 16 13: 7:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD3437B66F for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22315; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9GK7gb89558; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:07:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:07:41 -0400 (EDT) To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: size problems with INVARIANTS/DIAGNOSTIC -current kernels In-Reply-To: References: <14827.11266.106941.884245@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14827.24407.533688.62944@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson writes: > > Looks like it just what the doctor ordered. OK, I'll commit it. > PS. Will you be around at BSDCon? > Unfortunately, no. What with getting married & moving house, I didn't get organized enough to to think about planning for the trip until well after all the nearby hotel rooms were taken. :-( Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 16 16:23:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AFD937B66D for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25337; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9GNNJK89792; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:23:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:23:19 -0400 (EDT) To: Leon Breedt Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems booting AlphaStation 600 after installation In-Reply-To: <20001017000254.A7870@dreamcast.prv.dev.itouchnet.net> References: <20001016221036.A7361@dreamcast.prv.dev.itouchnet.net> <14827.25387.448144.923428@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20001017000254.A7870@dreamcast.prv.dev.itouchnet.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14827.36143.876956.948872@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Leon Breedt writes: > Andrew Gallatin (gallatin@cs.duke.edu) tapped away happily, and came up with: > > > To be clear, are you installing 4.1 or 4.1.1? > 4.1 Ack. There may be a bug with the bootloader in 4.1.1, but 4.1 is supposed to be pretty solid. Do you see anything at all between 'Loating /boot/loader' and the error message? If so, please transcribe it. If not, I'm very confused. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 16 20:20:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gplsucks.org (mail.gplsucks.org [63.227.213.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D7F37B65E for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bwoods2@localhost) by mail.gplsucks.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id e9H3KgW02632; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:20:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Woods mail To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Bill Woods mail , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ipf on an Alpha In-Reply-To: <14827.3599.623796.226648@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Unfortunately, I am not going to be in front of that system for a few days. Going from memory, I remember it STARTING to load , and then dropping back to the SRM prompt. It never really loaded the kernel all the way. My guess is that the kernel is/was to large and it couldent go from there.... Bill On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Bill Woods mail writes: > > Just a note, maby its me, but I tried to compile a kernel on an Alpha 200 > > 4/233 running 4.1.1-stable with these options: > > > > options IPDIVERT > > options IPFILTER > > options IPFILTER_LOG > > options IPSTEALTH > > > > and the kernel compiled fine, but was un-bootable. It would start to boot, > > load the kernel then go back to the srm console: > > > > >>> > > > > > > When I compiled WITHOUT those options, it works fine, can anyone confirm > > this? > > Was anything printed at all after it finished loading the kernel but > before it dropped back to the SRM console prompt? (like the > copyright?) > > Also, it may be the size problem that was being discussed here last > week. What is the size of the failing kernel. In particular, how big > is the .got section if you do 'objdump --headers' on the failing > kernel? > > Thanks, > > Drew > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 16 21:33: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from berkner.ccamlr.org (berkner.ccamlr.org [203.13.22.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0856F37B4E5 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by BERKNER with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <40TMLC39>; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:32:33 +1100 Message-ID: <2A8F3CACEA74D41182360000F87997ED02BB87@BERKNER> From: Nigel Williams To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PWS 433a fatal kernel trap Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:32:31 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org how to proceed after this? enabled kernel debugging? or look at getty? latest cvsup to 4.1.1...make world...make buildkernel... reboot . . . Additional TCP options:. Tue Oct 17 15:24:20 EST 2000 fatal kernel trap: trap entry = 0x4 (unaligned access fault) a0 = 0xfffffe0000604002 a1 = 0x2c a2 = 0x0 pc = 0xfffffe00005cfaf4 ra = 0xfffffe00005cfadc curproc = 0xfffffe0005490e00 pid = 194, comm = getty panic : trap syncing disks... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 17 3:39:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from inetfw.sonycsl.co.jp (inetfw.SonyCSL.CO.JP [203.137.129.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27C437B4FE; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotaka.csl.sony.co.jp (hotaka.csl.sony.co.jp [43.27.98.57]) by inetfw.sonycsl.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7Ws3/inetfw/2000050701/smtpfeed 1.07) with ESMTP id TAA03298; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:39:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hotaka.csl.sony.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7Ws3/hotaka/2000061722) with ESMTP id TAA84151; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:39:05 +0900 (JST) To: gallatin@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha exception.s src/sys/alpha/include asm.h In-Reply-To: <200010162015.NAA18435@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <200010162015.NAA18435@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.2 on Emacs 20.6 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20001017193905Z.kjc@csl.sony.co.jp> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:39:05 +0900 From: Kenjiro Cho X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 31 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks! FreeBSD-4.1/KAME now boots up with this fix. Please MFC. -Kenjiro > gallatin 2000/10/16 13:15:43 PDT > > Modified files: > sys/alpha/alpha exception.s > sys/alpha/include asm.h > Log: > Fix problems booting large kernels on alphas. The symptom is that the kernel > loads, prints the copyright, and either hangs or locks solid. The > PC tends to be in the data segment and the RA is in XentMM > > Doug really came up with the fix, I'm just the monkey typing. Doug says: > The alpha can only support 64k of globals with $gp pointing at > base+32k so that the code can use 16bit signed offsets from $gp to > access it. .... it is possible to have multiple .got subsections > and the linker handles this with the relocations for 'ldgp' pseudo > instructions. [Without this patch] the code in exception.s has been > linked to use a different gp from locore.s (where pal_kgp is set). > > Reviewed by: dfr > > Revision Changes Path > 1.4 +5 -1 src/sys/alpha/alpha/exception.s > 1.8 +5 -2 src/sys/alpha/include/asm.h > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 17 19:37:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from server1.huntsvilleal.com (server1.huntsvilleal.com [63.147.8.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8741337B4C5 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Spaz.HuntsvilleAL.COM (spaz.huntsvilleal.com [63.147.8.31]) by server1.huntsvilleal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19322 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:10:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by Spaz.HuntsvilleAL.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20677 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 02:37:26 GMT (envelope-from kris@catonic.net) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 02:37:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby X-Sender: kris@spaz.huntsvilleal.com To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) Message-ID: X-Tech-Support-Email: bofh@catonic.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Would a general concensus of the folks on -alpha agree that FreeBSD 4.x for the Alpha is stable enough for a production server? ----- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 17 21:28: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD33D37B4C5 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bandix@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02086 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:28:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:28:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Alpha XL 300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am looking to buy an Alpha to run FreeBSD/AXP on. I have the ability to buy a DEC Alpha XL 300 workstation and it looks like a good deal. It's got a 300Mhz 21164, 32MB of RAM, a 2.1 GB SCSI HDD and a SCSI CDROM in it. All for ~$450 USD. What I want to know is, is this as good a deal as it sounds, and will it run FreeBSD well. I have been unable to track down data on the Compaq AlphaServer website about this model. I'm curious as to what kind of RAM it takes, as that would certainly need to be upgraded, I've already got a pile of disks to stick in it. Also, any info anyone can provide on how many pci/isa slots it has would be helpful. The other thing I was curious about is, it's in one of those DEC minitower cases, which the compaq website claims are rackmountable. Has anyone ever seen rack kits for these cases and know where I might find one to go with it? Thanks for any information you can provide me. -- Brandon D. Valentine "Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." -- Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 17 21:34:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96F037B4D7 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bird (bird.feral.com [192.67.166.155]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19581; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:34:46 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:34:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Kris Kirby Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Would a general concensus of the folks on -alpha agree that FreeBSD 4.x > for the Alpha is stable enough for a production server? errmm... hard to say. depends on the model. most of the problems seem to be ones of getting it to go at all. once going, it seems fairly okay. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 3:48:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from albatross-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se (albatross-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6B837B4E5 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 03:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms.uab.ericsson.se (ms.uab.ericsson.se [134.138.201.16]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.11.0/8.11.0/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id e9IAmdt16064; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:48:39 +0200 (MEST) Received: from uab.ericsson.se (ulinpc62 [134.138.94.22]) by ms.uab.ericsson.se (8.10.0/8.10.0/uab-2.26) with ESMTP id e9IAmcn16307; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:48:38 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <39ED8006.1DCCBB77@uab.ericsson.se> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:48:38 +0200 From: Anders Franzen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Terry Lambert , Andrew Gallatin , Pawel Nogas , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD on AlphaStation 255/233 References: <14820.25415.513392.588558@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200010120048.RAA10968@usr09.primenet.com> <20001012100720.A18613@freebie.demon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 12:48:39AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Andrew Gallatin writes: > .. > > > - You accidentally managed to install with i386 and not alpha > > > distribution sets --- there are separate CDs for x86 and alpha > > > > How is this possible? Same question: is the install process broken, > > in that it actually permits this to happen, ever? > > It is. It happened to me once, long time ago. I think the installer only > checks which rev CD is in the drive, not which architecture it belongs to. > > W/ > -- > Wilko Bulte > wilko@freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands It happened to me aswell when I upgraded from 4.1 to 4.1.1. The thing I made that might have been wrong was that I use /stand/sysinstall from 4.1 to install 4.1.1. I read somewhere that if you are going to do an upgrade, you must first install the new sysinstall. Any how I had the kernel sources in place, managed to boot from floppies and wanted to rebuild the bootloader, but it would not build, I dont know how to do it. I reupgraded 4.1.1 again and this time it worked. I did a net install I can not see that I got any i386 binaries. /Anders Franzen > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 5:22:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from rios.sitaranetworks.com (rios.sitaranetworks.com [199.103.141.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B6B37B4CF for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rios.sitaranetworks.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <4W2Q4TD7>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:26:10 -0400 Message-ID: <31269226357BD211979E00A0C9866DABE41205@rios.sitaranetworks.com> From: Charles Richmond To: 'Kris Kirby' , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:26:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmmm... I have an XP1000 system sitting at the "can't load kernel" after an install of 4.1. I understand that this issue may have been solved in the last couple of days and I admit that I have not yet had a chance to address this or even had the cycles to do more than look at the screen. However, even if this is fixed, shouldn't we let it soak for awhile before saying 4.x is production quality? If Joe Shmo ftps down an ISO of 4.1 is he going to install/boot/run? If the probability is high enough, ok. If not, lets wait. Just my 2 cents Charlie > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Kirby [mailto:kris@catonic.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 10:37 PM > To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) > > > > Would a general concensus of the folks on -alpha agree that > FreeBSD 4.x > for the Alpha is stable enough for a production server? > > ----- > Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. > | > ------------------------------------------------------- > "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 5:55:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5600A37B4C5 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25554; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9ICtc793106; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:55:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:55:37 -0400 (EDT) To: "Brandon D. Valentine" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha XL 300 In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14829.40263.552989.381385@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brandon D. Valentine writes: > I am looking to buy an Alpha to run FreeBSD/AXP on. I have the ability > to buy a DEC Alpha XL 300 workstation and it looks like a good deal. > It's got a 300Mhz 21164, 32MB of RAM, a 2.1 GB SCSI HDD and a SCSI CDROM > in it. All for ~$450 USD. What I want to know is, is this as good a > deal as it sounds, and will it run FreeBSD well. I have been unable to It won't run any of the *BSDs at all, because it does not have an SRM console. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 5:58: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996CA37B4C5 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25592; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9ICvvs93110; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:57:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:57:57 -0400 (EDT) To: Kris Kirby Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14829.40410.255103.869589@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kris Kirby writes: > > Would a general concensus of the folks on -alpha agree that FreeBSD 4.x > for the Alpha is stable enough for a production server? If you can actually manage to get it installed, it is just as stable as FreeBSD/i386. Most embarassing problems are in the install/bootstrap area. If you decide to try it, I'd suggest installing 4.0-release and buildworlding your way to -stable. When you do this, copy the original (4.0-release) /boot/loader over what installworld installs. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 6: 9:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from server1.huntsvilleal.com (server1.huntsvilleal.com [63.147.8.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5867A37B4E5 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Spaz.HuntsvilleAL.COM (spaz.huntsvilleal.com [63.147.8.31]) by server1.huntsvilleal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23521; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:42:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by Spaz.HuntsvilleAL.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30092; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:08:50 GMT (envelope-from kris@catonic.net) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:08:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby X-Sender: kris@spaz.huntsvilleal.com To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) In-Reply-To: <14829.40410.255103.869589@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: X-Tech-Support-Email: bofh@catonic.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > If you can actually manage to get it installed, it is just as stable > as FreeBSD/i386. Most embarassing problems are in the > install/bootstrap area. Like "shutdown -r now" not rebooting? ;-) > If you decide to try it, I'd suggest installing 4.0-release and > buildworlding your way to -stable. When you do this, copy the > original (4.0-release) /boot/loader over what installworld installs. Does cross-platform compiling work? I've got a K7-850 with resources to spare, but my Alpha is a Multia! What I did install on it was 4.1-RELEASE. Building a kernel took as long as my K5/75 as it did on my Multia (~4000 seconds). I'd like to put it into operation as a little web server, but I am reminded of comments on this list some time ago amounting to "It works, but I wouldn't risk using it in production." I'm concerned that being an Alpha that it might be more prone to security risk since the majority of effort is directed at i386. Buffer Overflows and all... ----- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 6:14:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from hermes.research.kpn.com (hermes.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9379837B479 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by research.kpn.com (PMDF V5.2-31 #42699) with ESMTP id <01JVHJMB5ZZQ000RSQ@research.kpn.com> for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:14:27 +0200 Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:14:26 +0100 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:14:25 +0100 From: "Koster, K.J." Subject: RE: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) To: 'Kris Kirby' Cc: 'FreeBSD Alpha mailing list' Message-id: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D794A@l04.research.kpn.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I'm concerned that being an Alpha that it might be more prone to > security risk since the majority of effort is directed at i386. > Buffer Overflows and all... > It works both ways. There are fewer people who are working to fix buffer overflows on alpha, but there are also fewer people with the knowledge to crack an alpha. Kees Jan ================================================ You are only young once, but you can stay immature all your life. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 6:23:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498FA37B4E5 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25915; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9IDNFM93231; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:23:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:23:15 -0400 (EDT) To: Kris Kirby Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) In-Reply-To: References: <14829.40410.255103.869589@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14829.41324.212080.318391@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kris Kirby writes: > On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > If you can actually manage to get it installed, it is just as stable > > as FreeBSD/i386. Most embarassing problems are in the > > install/bootstrap area. > > Like "shutdown -r now" not rebooting? ;-) Not really, I was more thinking of the problems people seem to have installing 4.1.1. This particular case might be a firmware bug. Multias have ancient firmware. At least shutdown -r now reboots every alpha I have. And I have lots of different alphas. > > If you decide to try it, I'd suggest installing 4.0-release and > > buildworlding your way to -stable. When you do this, copy the > > original (4.0-release) /boot/loader over what installworld installs. > > Does cross-platform compiling work? I've got a K7-850 with resources to > spare, but my Alpha is a Multia! What I did install on it was > 4.1-RELEASE. Building a kernel took as long as my K5/75 as it did on my Multias are not speedy, I'm honestly very surpised it was as fast as your k5/75. Most 2 year old IDE drives have more I/O bandwidth than the multia's main memory system. And producing code for alphas is more difficult than it is for pcs, so gcc takes longer to compile a given chunk of code. But to answer your question, if you've already got 4.1-release installed, I wouldn't worry about it. Heck, you could do a binary upgrade to 4.1.1. Just remember to keep the old /boot/loader around and copy it over top of what the upgrade installs. > Multia (~4000 seconds). I'd like to put it into operation as a little web > server, but I am reminded of comments on this list some time ago amounting > to "It works, but I wouldn't risk using it in production." I'm concerned > that being an Alpha that it might be more prone to security risk since the > majority of effort is directed at i386. Buffer Overflows and all... I actually feel better about alphas than i386s. there are less canned exploits for alphas. If an MI hole exists in FreeBSD, an i386 is much more likely to be cracked than an alpha simply because there are more PCs out there and more people working on exploits. However, I would never put a multia into production running any OS. They're notoriously unreliable, hardware-wise. They were designed to be glorified X terminals, not servers. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 7:54:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cafes.net (mail.cafes.net [207.65.182.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2348437B479 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cafes.net (mail.cafes.net [207.65.182.25]) by mail.cafes.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04837 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:54:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:54:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Eldridge To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Kris Kirby wrote: > Would a general concensus of the folks on -alpha agree that FreeBSD 4.x > for the Alpha is stable enough for a production server? I wouldn't. I can't even get the thing installed. The kernel panics as it's trying to boot. Linux runs fine on it. I've looked for help, but I can't find any. Oh well, back to Linux I guess. :) Mike ----------------------------------------------------- Save the whales. Feed the hungry. Free the mallocs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 8:35:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (server.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB7737B4E5 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (termroom.bsdcon.org [206.55.247.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA98280; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:40:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:34:49 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Mike Eldridge Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 18-Oct-00 Mike Eldridge wrote: > On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Kris Kirby wrote: >> Would a general concensus of the folks on -alpha agree that FreeBSD 4.x >> for the Alpha is stable enough for a production server? > > I wouldn't. I can't even get the thing installed. The kernel panics as > it's trying to boot. Linux runs fine on it. I've looked for help, but I > can't find any. Oh well, back to Linux I guess. :) The kernel doesn't panic on boot, the loader does. The SRM message you get (kernel stack not valid halt) is treating the loader as the kernel. > Mike -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 8:44:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0501D37B4C5 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.net ([24.0.178.21]) by femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001018154321.KXPY23659.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.net>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:43:21 -0700 Message-ID: <39EDC5BF.B1567D51@home.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:46:07 -0700 From: Craig Burgess X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kirby Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org #uname -a #FreeBSD Felix 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #4: Wed Aug 23 23:17:04 PDT 2000 #EB164 #Digital AlphaPC 164 FWIW, my experience -- with this machine -- is completely positive. craig Kris Kirby wrote: > > Would a general concensus of the folks on -alpha agree that FreeBSD 4.x > for the Alpha is stable enough for a production server? > > ----- > Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. > | > ------------------------------------------------------- > "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 9:22: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cafes.net (mail.cafes.net [207.65.182.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B121337B4E5; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cafes.net (mail.cafes.net [207.65.182.25]) by mail.cafes.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17085; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:21:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:21:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Eldridge To: John Baldwin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, John Baldwin wrote: > On 18-Oct-00 Mike Eldridge wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Kris Kirby wrote: > >> Would a general concensus of the folks on -alpha agree that FreeBSD 4.x > >> for the Alpha is stable enough for a production server? > > > > I wouldn't. I can't even get the thing installed. The kernel panics as > > it's trying to boot. Linux runs fine on it. I've looked for help, but I > > can't find any. Oh well, back to Linux I guess. :) > > The kernel doesn't panic on boot, the loader does. The SRM message you get > (kernel stack not valid halt) is treating the loader as the kernel. The loader runs fine, it prints out "Entering kernel at " and it starts to come up, prints out the kernel build date, etc, and then panics after printing out about 50 "dec_axppci_33_intr_map: bad interrupt pin 192" messages. I can't find any information anywhere about what's going on. I've tried two different identical alphas and they both do the same thing. Mike ----------------------------------------------------- Save the whales. Feed the hungry. Free the mallocs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 9:56:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from server1.huntsvilleal.com (server1.huntsvilleal.com [63.147.8.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9CC37B4F9 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Spaz.HuntsvilleAL.COM (spaz.huntsvilleal.com [63.147.8.31]) by server1.huntsvilleal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26151; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:29:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by Spaz.HuntsvilleAL.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA33773; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:55:51 GMT (envelope-from kris@catonic.net) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:55:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby X-Sender: kris@spaz.huntsvilleal.com To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) In-Reply-To: <14829.41324.212080.318391@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: X-Tech-Support-Email: bofh@catonic.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > Not really, I was more thinking of the problems people seem to have > installing 4.1.1. This particular case might be a firmware bug. > Multias have ancient firmware. At least shutdown -r now reboots every > alpha I have. And I have lots of different alphas. I understand that there is a firmware update out for the Multia (at least from my version of SRM) but in the interests of Keeping It Working, I've neglected to apply it. > However, I would never put a multia into production running any OS. > They're notoriously unreliable, hardware-wise. They were designed to > be glorified X terminals, not servers. I've already taken care of the heat problem, and use an external (Ex-Sun, ironicly) 1G hard drive. The 525 MB internal (laptop) drive gave out long ago. I'd say everything that has a good reason to fail has either already failed or been supplimented. I have a mini-Boxer bolted on to the original fan. Are there any other issues (like the 74F IC on the bottom that likes to overheat) that you can think of? I'd still like an answer on cross compiling... (please) ----- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 11: 5:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B309937B4CF for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01911; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9II5bi93596; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:05:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:05:37 -0400 (EDT) To: Kris Kirby Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) In-Reply-To: References: <14829.41324.212080.318391@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14829.58943.577012.777879@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kris Kirby writes: > > I'd still like an answer on cross compiling... (please) I don't know -- I've never cross-compiled. I remember people complaining about problems in the past, but I don't know if they were ever corrected. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 11: 7:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6754A37B4CF for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13lxcU-000MQw-00; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:07:18 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9II35t03927; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:03:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:03:05 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Mike Eldridge Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: alpha multia axp (aka noname) boot problems Message-ID: <20001018200305.O1832@freebie.demon.nl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from diz@cafes.net on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 02:14:41PM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 02:14:41PM -0500, Mike Eldridge wrote: > I have an Alpha Multia AXP 166mhz box that I've been running Linux on for > a couple of years and decided I'd try FreeBSD. I created the two 1.44MB > floppies needed and booted with them. I kept getting the soft errors as > described in some of the FreeBSD documentation. During kernel boot, it > spit out "dec_axppci_33_intr_map: bad interrupt pin 192" about 80 times > and then the kernel failed with a memory management fault. Sounds like this might be an SRM version issue. I'll put up a late-version SRM for Multia at ftp://www.tcja.nl/pub/wilko anytime soon. > I've also read that you can't use FreeBSD on the console with Multias > because of some issue with the video card. I'm not quite sure I > understand why this is, I ran Linux on the console just fine (I even got > it to run X!, although only at 640x480). This is because there is no TGA driver in FreeBSD/alpha. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 11:12: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866B037B4E5 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13lxcY-000MQw-00; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:07:22 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9IHQLK03689; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:26:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:26:21 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Mike Eldridge Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) Message-ID: <20001018192621.D1832@freebie.demon.nl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from diz@cafes.net on Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 09:54:20AM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 09:54:20AM -0500, Mike Eldridge wrote: > On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Kris Kirby wrote: > > Would a general concensus of the folks on -alpha agree that FreeBSD 4.x > > for the Alpha is stable enough for a production server? > > I wouldn't. I can't even get the thing installed. The kernel panics as > it's trying to boot. Linux runs fine on it. I've looked for help, but I On 'it'? Please #define 'it' ? -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 11:28:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677F337B4C5 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13lxcZ-000MQw-01; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:07:24 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9IHUBG03705; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:30:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:30:11 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Kris Kirby Cc: Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) Message-ID: <20001018193011.E1832@freebie.demon.nl> References: <14829.41324.212080.318391@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from kris@catonic.net on Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 04:55:50PM +0000 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 04:55:50PM +0000, Kris Kirby wrote: > On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Not really, I was more thinking of the problems people seem to have > > installing 4.1.1. This particular case might be a firmware bug. > > Multias have ancient firmware. At least shutdown -r now reboots every > > alpha I have. And I have lots of different alphas. > > I understand that there is a firmware update out for the Multia (at least > from my version of SRM) but in the interests of Keeping It Working, I've > neglected to apply it. I once found, I forgot where, a rare version of SRM for the Multia that works really well. I will put it up for ftp on ftp://www.tcja.nl/pub/wilko for you. My Multia's really seem to like it, FreeBSD does too. > fan. Are there any other issues (like the 74F IC on the bottom that likes > to overheat) that you can think of? > > I'd still like an answer on cross compiling... (please) Marcel had it working before he left .nl for .ca.us He borrowed my NoName to test it. I don't know if it still works with all the changes that went into -current since then -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 11:28:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B2B37B4CF for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13lxcZ-000MQw-00; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:07:23 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9IHPY403679; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:25:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:25:34 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: "Brandon D. Valentine" , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha XL 300 Message-ID: <20001018192534.C1832@freebie.demon.nl> References: <14829.40263.552989.381385@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <14829.40263.552989.381385@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 08:55:37AM -0400 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 08:55:37AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Brandon D. Valentine writes: > > I am looking to buy an Alpha to run FreeBSD/AXP on. I have the ability > > to buy a DEC Alpha XL 300 workstation and it looks like a good deal. > > It's got a 300Mhz 21164, 32MB of RAM, a 2.1 GB SCSI HDD and a SCSI CDROM > > in it. All for ~$450 USD. What I want to know is, is this as good a > > deal as it sounds, and will it run FreeBSD well. I have been unable to > > It won't run any of the *BSDs at all, because it does not have an SRM > console. And before someone asks: there won't be any SRM either. $450 is a stiff price to pay for what is essentially a dead-end NT-only (OK, it can run Linux IIRC) box. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 11:41:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cafes.net (mail.cafes.net [207.65.182.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7896537B4CF for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cafes.net (mail.cafes.net [207.65.182.25]) by mail.cafes.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20156; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:41:06 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:41:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Eldridge To: Wilko Bulte Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) In-Reply-To: <20001018192621.D1832@freebie.demon.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 09:54:20AM -0500, Mike Eldridge wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Kris Kirby wrote: > > > Would a general concensus of the folks on -alpha agree that FreeBSD 4.x > > > for the Alpha is stable enough for a production server? > > > > I wouldn't. I can't even get the thing installed. The kernel panics as > > it's trying to boot. Linux runs fine on it. I've looked for help, but I > > On 'it'? Please #define 'it' ? Well, I sent a message to the alpha mailing list a couple of days outlining my difficulties. #define it "alpha multia axp 166" I tend to think it's an issue with the srm firmware. I ran into all kinds of soft errors when trying to boot from a floppy, then I read that you couldn't boot from floppy because of a problem with the firmware. So I tried to boot from a cd. I do get sense errors from the cd-rom drive as it is booting, then it ends in the same errors. I guess my next step is to try a new version of the firmware. Mike ----------------------------------------------------- Save the whales. Feed the hungry. Free the mallocs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 11:54:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from rios.sitaranetworks.com (rios.sitaranetworks.com [199.103.141.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F4837B4C5 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rios.sitaranetworks.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <4W2Q442H>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:57:54 -0400 Message-ID: <31269226357BD211979E00A0C9866DABE41206@rios.sitaranetworks.com> From: Charles Richmond To: 'Mike Eldridge' , Wilko Bulte Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:57:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I updated my Multia 233 from the following and loaded up Open/Net/Free - BSD. I think the FreeBSD version was 4.0 but I'm not sure. I left OpenBSD running on the box (for now) http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/readmes/multia.html > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Eldridge [mailto:diz@cafes.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 2:41 PM > To: Wilko Bulte > Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) > > > On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 09:54:20AM -0500, Mike Eldridge wrote: > > > On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Kris Kirby wrote: > > > > Would a general concensus of the folks on -alpha agree > that FreeBSD 4.x > > > > for the Alpha is stable enough for a production server? > > > > > > I wouldn't. I can't even get the thing installed. The > kernel panics as > > > it's trying to boot. Linux runs fine on it. I've looked > for help, but I > > > > On 'it'? Please #define 'it' ? > > Well, I sent a message to the alpha mailing list a couple of days > outlining my difficulties. > > #define it "alpha multia axp 166" > > I tend to think it's an issue with the srm firmware. I ran into all > kinds of soft errors when trying to boot from a floppy, then > I read that > you couldn't boot from floppy because of a problem with the > firmware. So > I tried to boot from a cd. I do get sense errors from the > cd-rom drive as > it is booting, then it ends in the same errors. > > I guess my next step is to try a new version of the firmware. > > Mike > > ----------------------------------------------------- > Save the whales. Feed the hungry. Free the mallocs. > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 12:41:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6A837B4CF for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13lz5G-000P0Z-00; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:41:07 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9IJhfS04626; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:43:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:43:41 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Mike Eldridge Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) Message-ID: <20001018214341.A4600@freebie.demon.nl> References: <20001018192621.D1832@freebie.demon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from diz@cafes.net on Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 01:41:06PM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 01:41:06PM -0500, Mike Eldridge wrote: > On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 09:54:20AM -0500, Mike Eldridge wrote: > > > On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Kris Kirby wrote: > > > > Would a general concensus of the folks on -alpha agree that FreeBSD 4.x > > > > for the Alpha is stable enough for a production server? > > > > > > I wouldn't. I can't even get the thing installed. The kernel panics as > > > it's trying to boot. Linux runs fine on it. I've looked for help, but I > > > > On 'it'? Please #define 'it' ? > > Well, I sent a message to the alpha mailing list a couple of days > outlining my difficulties. Been away for 2 days, sorry.. > #define it "alpha multia axp 166" OK. > I tend to think it's an issue with the srm firmware. I ran into all > kinds of soft errors when trying to boot from a floppy, then I read that Yes, that is a known SRM issue. > you couldn't boot from floppy because of a problem with the firmware. So > I tried to boot from a cd. I do get sense errors from the cd-rom drive as > it is booting, then it ends in the same errors. > > I guess my next step is to try a new version of the firmware. Yep. Helped my Multia pretty well. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 14:55:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BAB37B479 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA71768; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:55:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:55:08 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: "Koster, K.J." Cc: "'Kris Kirby'" , "'FreeBSD Alpha mailing list'" Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) Message-ID: <20001018145508.A71459@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D794A@l04.research.kpn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D794A@l04.research.kpn.com>; from K.J.Koster@kpn.com on Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 03:14:25PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 03:14:25PM +0100, Koster, K.J. wrote: > It works both ways. There are fewer people who are working to fix buffer > overflows on alpha, 99% of the buffer overflows are in the MI (machine independent) code and thus shared with the i386. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 17:26: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754EB37B4CF for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bandix@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10623; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:26:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:26:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha XL 300 In-Reply-To: <20001018192534.C1832@freebie.demon.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote: >On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 08:55:37AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: >> >> Brandon D. Valentine writes: >> > I am looking to buy an Alpha to run FreeBSD/AXP on. I have the ability >> > to buy a DEC Alpha XL 300 workstation and it looks like a good deal. >> > It's got a 300Mhz 21164, 32MB of RAM, a 2.1 GB SCSI HDD and a SCSI CDROM >> > in it. All for ~$450 USD. What I want to know is, is this as good a >> > deal as it sounds, and will it run FreeBSD well. I have been unable to >> >> It won't run any of the *BSDs at all, because it does not have an SRM >> console. > >And before someone asks: there won't be any SRM either. $450 is a stiff >price to pay for what is essentially a dead-end NT-only (OK, it can run >Linux IIRC) box. Yeah, I finally found some info on that last night. It's disappointing. Anyone want to recommend some reasonably priced Alpha dealers online, closeout and refurbished preferable to top-of-the-line, brand new. If so, please email me off list, no sense discussing it further here. If I understand the way Linux manages to run on these machines correctly is it has a miniloader which swaps the PALcode out before booting the OS. Is there a specific reason this approach has not been pursued by the BSDs? I'd imagine it would be dependent on the ability to swap in a PALcode functionally equivalent to the already supported SRM PAL. Is it just an issue of DEC won't release a public version of it? -- Brandon D. Valentine "Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." -- Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 18 23:20:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B107337B4CF for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 13m93e-00001E-00; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:20:07 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9J6Mf706461; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:22:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:22:41 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: "Brandon D. Valentine" Cc: Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha XL 300 Message-ID: <20001019082241.A6172@freebie.demon.nl> References: <20001018192534.C1832@freebie.demon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from bandix@looksharp.net on Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 08:26:20PM -0400 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 08:26:20PM -0400, Brandon D. Valentine wrote: > On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > >On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 08:55:37AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > >> > >> Brandon D. Valentine writes: > >> > I am looking to buy an Alpha to run FreeBSD/AXP on. I have the ability > >> > to buy a DEC Alpha XL 300 workstation and it looks like a good deal. > >> > It's got a 300Mhz 21164, 32MB of RAM, a 2.1 GB SCSI HDD and a SCSI CDROM > >> > in it. All for ~$450 USD. What I want to know is, is this as good a > >> > deal as it sounds, and will it run FreeBSD well. I have been unable to > >> > >> It won't run any of the *BSDs at all, because it does not have an SRM > >> console. > > > >And before someone asks: there won't be any SRM either. $450 is a stiff > >price to pay for what is essentially a dead-end NT-only (OK, it can run > >Linux IIRC) box. > > Yeah, I finally found some info on that last night. It's disappointing. > Anyone want to recommend some reasonably priced Alpha dealers online, > closeout and refurbished preferable to top-of-the-line, brand new. If > so, please email me off list, no sense discussing it further here. > > If I understand the way Linux manages to run on these machines correctly > is it has a miniloader which swaps the PALcode out before booting the > OS. Is there a specific reason this approach has not been pursued by > the BSDs? I'd imagine it would be dependent on the ability to swap in a Read the alpha mailing list archives at [net,freebsd].org. This issue has been discussed numerous times. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 19 6:12: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.globetown.net (ns1.globetown.net [210.162.46.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4B337B4E5 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by ns1.globetown.net (8.9.3/3.6W) id WAA35977; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:07:59 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:07:59 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200010191307.WAA35977@ns1.globetown.net> From: notice@globetown.net To: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: グローブタウンからのお知らせ。 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org グローブタウンからのお知らせ。 楽しさ満載のグローブタウンで遊ぼう！ お店もだせます！ http://www.globetown.net/ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ホームページスペースとメールアカウントを無償 で提供するコミュニティサイトを新しくつくりま したので、よかったらのぞいて見てください。 グローブタウン notice@globetown.net ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 19 8:42:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dirac.th.physik.uni-bonn.de (dirac.th.physik.uni-bonn.de [131.220.161.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 26A4C37B4C5 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27090 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2000 15:42:44 -0000 Received: from pauli.th.physik.uni-bonn.de (131.220.161.122) by dirac.th.physik.uni-bonn.de with SMTP; 19 Oct 2000 15:42:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 36307 invoked by uid 146); 19 Oct 2000 15:42:44 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 Oct 2000 15:42:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:42:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Ralph Schreyer To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Jan Conrad Subject: Can't boot FreeBSD 4.1.1 release on a digital 433au Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I installed FreeBSD 4.1.1 release on a digital 433au using the kern and mfsroot floppies. Trying to boot from the SRM console I get the following messages: loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf Unable to load a kernel! Can't load 'kernel' Halted CPU 0 Halt code = 2 Kernel stack not valid halt Apart from this everything works, i.e. with the fixit floppy (mounted via NFS) I can mount the devices and all the partitions created are there. Any hints? Thanks, Ralph. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 19 9:30: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9697137B4CF for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA15728; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id 0582E37B4CF; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20001019162856.0582E37B4CF@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:28:56 -0700 (PDT) From: jachs@hstsoft.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: alpha/22128: Cannot install 4.1.1 on an Alpha AS200 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 22128 >Category: alpha >Synopsis: Cannot install 4.1.1 on an Alpha AS200 >Confidential: no >Severity: critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-alpha >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Oct 19 09:30:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Sergio Jachtchenco >Release: 4.1.1 >Organization: HST Systems and TEchnology >Environment: - >Description: The 4.1.1 sysinst program gets stalled in the initial (half completed) screen. Afer some minutes sysinst seems to perate but it cannot find any disk to label. 4.1 behaves the same. 3.4-Release seems to install ok. NetBSD 1.4.2 is installed and working and OpenBSD 2.5 used to work. Dmesg from NetBSD: NetBSD 1.4.2 (GENERIC) #1: Sat Mar 4 03:08:26 PST 2000 toddpw@chewie.toddpw.net:/usr/src/sys/arch/alpha/compile/GENERIC AlphaStation 200 4/233, 233MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. real mem = 100663296 (2048000 reserved for PROM, 98615296 used by NetBSD) avail mem = 82706432 using 1203 buffers containing 9854976 bytes of memory mainbus0 (root) cpu0 at mainbus0: ID 0 (primary), 21064A-0 () apecs0 at mainbus0: DECchip 21071 Core Logic chipset apecs0: DC21071-CA pass 2, 64-bit memory bus apecs0: DC21071-DA pass 2 pci0 at apecs0 bus 0 pci0: i/o enabled, memory enabled ncr0 at pci0 dev 6 function 0: ncr 53c810 fast10 scsi ncr0: interrupting at isa irq 11 ncr0: minsync=25, maxsync=206, maxoffs=8, 16 dwords burst, normal dma fifo ncr0: single-ended, open drain IRQ driver ncr0: restart (scsi reset). scsibus0 at ncr0: 8 targets, 8 luns per target sd0 at scsibus0 targ 1 lun 0: SCSI2 0/direct fixed sd0(ncr0:1:0): 10.0 MB/s (100 ns, offset 8) sd0: 4159MB, 7068 cyl, 6 head, 200 sec, 512 bytes/sect x 8519216 sectors sd1 at scsibus0 targ 4 lun 0: SCSI2 0/direct fixedsd1(ncr0:4:0): 10.0 MB/s (100 ns, offset 8) sd1: 2047MB, 3511 cyl, 11 head, 108 sec, 512 bytes/sect x 4194058 sectors sio0 at pci0 dev 7 function 0: Intel 82378ZB System I/O (SIO) (rev. 0x43) de0 at pci0 dev 11 function 0 de0: interrupting at isa irq 5 de0: DEC 21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.4 de0: address 00:00:f8:23:5c:9a vga0 at pci0 dev 12 function 0: Weitek P9000 (rev. 0x03) wsdisplay0 at vga0 isa0 at sio0 com0 at isa0 port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4: ns16550a, working fifo com0: console com1 at isa0 port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3: ns16550a, working fifo lpt0 at isa0 port 0x3bc-0x3bf irq 7 pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60-0x64 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 spkr0 at pcppi0 isabeep0 at pcppi0 fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 fd0 at fdc0 drive 0: 1.44MB, 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec mcclock0 at isa0 port 0x70-0x71: mc146818 or compatible root on sd1a dumps on sd1b root file system type: ffs de0: enabling 10baseT port wsdisplay0: screen 1 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 2 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 3 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 4 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) >How-To-Repeat: Try to make an installation in an AS200. >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 19 10: 8:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from knightrider.multi.fi (b-133.dial.multi.fi [194.234.152.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484E337B4CF for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from duck@localhost) by knightrider.multi.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03595 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:08:54 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from duck@multi.fi) X-Authentication-Warning: knightrider.multi.fi: duck set sender to duck@multi.fi using -f Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:08:54 +0300 From: Staffan Thomen To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) Message-ID: <20001019200854.A3583@multi.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 08:46:07AM -0700, Craig Burgess wrote: > #uname -a > #FreeBSD Felix 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #4: Wed Aug 23 23:17:04 > PDT 2000 > > #EB164 > #Digital AlphaPC 164 > > FWIW, my experience -- with this machine -- is completely positive. > > craig > > Kris Kirby wrote: > > > > Would a general concensus of the folks on -alpha agree that FreeBSD 4.x > > for the Alpha is stable enough for a production server? > > > > ----- > > Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. > > | > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." I seem to have lost parts of this thread somewhere, but I have one of those too, it works very well running 4.1-20000719-RC at the moment, standing in my closet, running at 500MHz, not really super fast, but quite solid, it has never crashed. staffan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 19 11:12:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA3137B4C5 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24717; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9JICUq95720; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:12:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:12:30 -0400 (EDT) To: Ralph Schreyer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Jan Conrad Subject: Re: Can't boot FreeBSD 4.1.1 release on a digital 433au In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14831.14206.254128.544680@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ralph Schreyer writes: > Hello, > > I installed FreeBSD 4.1.1 release on a digital 433au using the kern and > mfsroot floppies. Trying to boot from the SRM console I get the following > messages: > > > loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf > Unable to load a kernel! > > Can't load 'kernel' > > Halted CPU 0 > > Halt code = 2 > Kernel stack not valid halt > > > Apart from this everything works, i.e. with the fixit floppy (mounted via > NFS) I can mount the devices and all the partitions created are there. Any > hints? Thanks, The boot loader is broken. Its not clear if its boot1 or /boot/loader which is broken. /boot/loader is marginally easier to replace, so lets try that first. I've left an older, working, loader at http://people.freebsd.org/~gallatin/loader.gz Grab it, gunzip it, and overwrite /boot/loader with it. Please let me know if that works. If it does not, please take a copy of http://people.freebsd.org/~gallatin/boot1 then install it /boot/boot1 and run disklabel -B Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 20 1:11:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (server.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B8E37B479; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (termroom.bsdcon.org [206.55.247.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05107; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:16:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200010200726.AAA40906@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:10:49 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: John Baldwin , alpha@FreeBSD.org, ia64@FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: cvs commit: src/sys/sys mutex.h src/sys/kern kern_mutex.c sr Cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 20-Oct-00 John Baldwin wrote: > jhb 2000/10/20 00:26:37 PDT > > Modified files: > sys/kern kern_mutex.c > sys/i386/include mutex.h > sys/alpha/include mutex.h > sys/ia64/include mutex.h > sys/conf files.alpha files.i386 files.ia64 > files.pc98 options > Added files: > sys/sys mutex.h > Removed files: > sys/i386/i386 synch_machdep.c > sys/alpha/alpha synch_machdep.c > sys/ia64/ia64 synch_machdep.c > Log: > - Make the mutex code almost completely machine independent. This greatly > reducues the maintenance load for the mutex code. The only MD portions > of the mutex code are in machine/mutex.h now, which include the assembly > macros for handling mutexes as well as optionally overriding the mutex > micro-operations. For example, we use optimized micro-ops on the x86 > platform #ifndef I386_CPU. WARNING: I haven't directly tested this on the alpha, or on the ia64, although it has been running for the past week or so on x86. However, I did test to make sure that the atomic.h changes that make all this possible did compile fine on the alpha. Also, the code is MI, so in theory the architecture shouldn't matter. I'll be testing a remote alpha kernel build in the very near future, but this is just a heads up to watch your step on non-x86. :) -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 20 6:43:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dirac.th.physik.uni-bonn.de (dirac.th.physik.uni-bonn.de [131.220.161.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B74337B4D7 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 33091 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2000 13:43:06 -0000 Received: from pauli.th.physik.uni-bonn.de (131.220.161.122) by dirac.th.physik.uni-bonn.de with SMTP; 20 Oct 2000 13:43:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 44591 invoked by uid 146); 20 Oct 2000 13:43:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Oct 2000 13:43:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:43:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Ralph Schreyer To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Jan Conrad Subject: Re: Can't boot FreeBSD 4.1.1 release on a digital 433au In-Reply-To: <14831.14206.254128.544680@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Drew we exchanged /boot/loader and /boot/boot1 separately for the versions on http://people.freebsd.org/~gallatin (which are of the older FreeBSD 4.1 release), but in both cases we got an error message similar to the one at the end of this mail and the boot aborted. But if we exchange both files for the older versions, the machine boots successfully aside from the error message Loader version 1.1+ required Aborted! start not found Hit [Enter]... which seems to have no consequences. So, thank you very much for your immediate help, Ralph. ________________________________________________________________________ On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Ralph Schreyer writes: > > Hello, > > > > I installed FreeBSD 4.1.1 release on a digital 433au using the kern and > > mfsroot floppies. Trying to boot from the SRM console I get the following > > messages: > > > > > > loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf > > Unable to load a kernel! > > > > Can't load 'kernel' > > > > Halted CPU 0 > > > > Halt code = 2 > > Kernel stack not valid halt > > > > > > Apart from this everything works, i.e. with the fixit floppy (mounted via > > NFS) I can mount the devices and all the partitions created are there. Any > > hints? Thanks, > > The boot loader is broken. Its not clear if its boot1 or /boot/loader > which is broken. /boot/loader is marginally easier to replace, so > lets try that first. I've left an older, working, loader at > http://people.freebsd.org/~gallatin/loader.gz > Grab it, gunzip it, and overwrite /boot/loader with it. > > Please let me know if that works. If it does not, > please take a copy of http://people.freebsd.org/~gallatin/boot1 > then install it /boot/boot1 and run disklabel -B > > Drew > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 20 11:38:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cafes.net (mail.cafes.net [207.65.182.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4656337B479 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cafes.net (mail.cafes.net [207.65.182.25]) by mail.cafes.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00902 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:38:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:38:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Eldridge To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) In-Reply-To: <20001018214341.A4600@freebie.demon.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote: [snip] > > you couldn't boot from floppy because of a problem with the firmware. So > > I tried to boot from a cd. I do get sense errors from the cd-rom drive as > > it is booting, then it ends in the same errors. > > > > I guess my next step is to try a new version of the firmware. > > Yep. Helped my Multia pretty well. Okay, I've tried two different versions of the firmware. One version from digital's (or compaq i guess) site, it was pointed to by someone else on the list. I also tried your (Wilko) firmware version. Currently running firmware: BL5 V3.8-3 Aug 10 1995 03:22:55 The date on the firmware version from digital.com, as shown in the readme, was 1994. Every time I replaced the firmmware, it booted with the above version. IANAAE (I am not an alpha expert), but either a) the version from digital.com is actually 3.8-3 dated Aug 10 1995, or b) it won't downgrade firmware, which, to me, seems silly, so I'm betting on the former. Here's the interesting part... When attempting to replace the firmware with Wilko's version, the update process ran fine, but when it was rebooted, I got nothing on the console. No output from the video whatsoever. After a couple of reboots, still nothing. Does this firmware not support video out or something? I then rebooted with a "failsafe" image that was provided with my download from digital.com. Even though I couldn't see anything, the floppy was being accessed. I gave it a good 10 minutes to make sure it was done, then rebooted and viola, got my old SRM console back. At this point, I'm not quite sure what's going on. I'm going to peruse Compaq's site and see if I can find some more information. Surely someone has one of these godforsaken machines and has run into this problem. I have two identical alphas and they both do the same thing. I think I'm going to try an earlier release of FreeBSD and see if that works. Any insight, suggestions, and/or advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike ----------------------------------------------------- Save the whales. Feed the hungry. Free the mallocs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 20 11:44: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1250C37B479 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17834; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9KIi3i97997; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:44:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:44:03 -0400 (EDT) To: Mike Eldridge Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) In-Reply-To: References: <20001018214341.A4600@freebie.demon.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14832.37309.17357.558735@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Eldridge writes: > Any insight, suggestions, and/or advice would be appreciated. If your time is worth anything to you at all, recycle the multia and and get yourself a decent quality alpha. Even a used AlphaStation 200 would be much better. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 20 11:55:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A2937B4C5 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13mhK6-000ElH-00; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:55:22 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9KIw0813266; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 20:58:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 20:58:00 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Mike Eldridge Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) Message-ID: <20001020205800.A13252@freebie.demon.nl> References: <20001018214341.A4600@freebie.demon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from diz@cafes.net on Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 01:38:48PM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 01:38:48PM -0500, Mike Eldridge wrote: > On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Here's the interesting part... When attempting to replace the firmware > with Wilko's version, the update process ran fine, but when it was > rebooted, I got nothing on the console. No output from the video > whatsoever. After a couple of reboots, still nothing. Does this firmware > not support video out or something? I then rebooted with a "failsafe" Yes, it does support video. At least for me.. > At this point, I'm not quite sure what's going on. I'm going to peruse > Compaq's site and see if I can find some more information. I don't give you much chance, Multia is sort-of the Vietnam of DEC. Not even Compaq: DEC. :-/ -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 20 11:55:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731B337B4C5 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13mhKc-000ElQ-00; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:55:54 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9KIwWh13276; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 20:58:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 20:58:32 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Mike Eldridge , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) Message-ID: <20001020205832.B13252@freebie.demon.nl> References: <20001018214341.A4600@freebie.demon.nl> <14832.37309.17357.558735@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <14832.37309.17357.558735@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 02:44:03PM -0400 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 02:44:03PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Mike Eldridge writes: > > Any insight, suggestions, and/or advice would be appreciated. > > If your time is worth anything to you at all, recycle the multia and > and get yourself a decent quality alpha. Even a used AlphaStation 200 > would be much better. Come on.. :-) It can work. Does for me. Slowly. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 20 12: 9:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cafes.net (mail.cafes.net [207.65.182.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD7237B4C5 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cafes.net (mail.cafes.net [207.65.182.25]) by mail.cafes.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31569; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:09:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:09:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Eldridge To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) In-Reply-To: <14832.37309.17357.558735@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > Mike Eldridge writes: > > Any insight, suggestions, and/or advice would be appreciated. > > If your time is worth anything to you at all, recycle the multia and > and get yourself a decent quality alpha. Even a used AlphaStation 200 > would be much better. > > Drew I want something with a 21264 =P My time with this alpha isn't really worth anything. It was here, nobody was using it, so it became mine. :) I might consider purchasing a low-end alpha for my home, just to have and tinker with. I was also considering purchasing an old UltraSPARC, but alphas are 10 times cooler ;) I've looked at various used alpha hardware dealers, but as I said before, I don't know much about alphas. It seems there are LOADS of different ones. AlphaStation 200, huh? Do they have no cache either? ;) Any suggestions on a (fairly) cheap alpha? (keep in mind I'm buying a new car =P) Mike ----------------------------------------------------- Save the whales. Feed the hungry. Free the mallocs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 20 12:32:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F259D37B4C5 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18906; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9KJWLB98171; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:32:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:32:21 -0400 (EDT) To: Mike Eldridge Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) In-Reply-To: References: <14832.37309.17357.558735@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14832.40216.99351.889106@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Eldridge writes: > > I've looked at various used alpha hardware dealers, but as I said before, > I don't know much about alphas. It seems there are LOADS of different > ones. > > AlphaStation 200, huh? Do they have no cache either? ;) They have a 512k cache. They're not fast, but they're not painfully slow either... They're considerably less buggy than multias. > Any suggestions on a (fairly) cheap alpha? (keep in mind I'm buying a new > car =P) > An alphastation 200 or 250. You can generally find them on the on-line auction sites for less than $300. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 20 12:46:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C5037B4CF for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13mi7Q-000FPf-00; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:46:21 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9KJmai13601; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:48:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:48:36 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Mike Eldridge , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha 4.x releases (production quality?) Message-ID: <20001020214836.A13587@freebie.demon.nl> References: <14832.37309.17357.558735@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <14832.40216.99351.889106@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <14832.40216.99351.889106@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 03:32:21PM -0400 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 03:32:21PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Mike Eldridge writes: > > > > I've looked at various used alpha hardware dealers, but as I said before, > > I don't know much about alphas. It seems there are LOADS of different > > ones. > > > > AlphaStation 200, huh? Do they have no cache either? ;) > > They have a 512k cache. They're not fast, but they're not painfully > slow either... They're considerably less buggy than multias. > > > Any suggestions on a (fairly) cheap alpha? (keep in mind I'm buying a new > > car =P) > > > > An alphastation 200 or 250. You can generally find them on the > on-line auction sites for less than $300. Just make sure you get enough memory. I myself consider 64Mb to be the minimum, speed wise. 32Mb will work, but is considerably slower. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 20 14:27:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (server.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B26E37B4CF for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (termroom.bsdcon.org [206.55.247.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07417 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:32:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:26:57 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Ummm, doh... :-( Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org *sigh* Ok, here's your official heads-up: While the kernel does compile ok now, my alpha didn't come up when I rebooted it. Of course, I did this remotely over ssh and do not have remote console on the box, so I have no idea how far it got, only that I can't ping it now. :-( I'll be sure to look at this first thing Monday in the office, but for now you probably don't want to boot a current -current kernel on the alpha. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 20 15:26:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (server.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3E237B4FE; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (termroom.bsdcon.org [206.55.247.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07641; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:31:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200010202212.PAA96122@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:25:51 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: John Baldwin , alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: cvs commit: src/sys/sys kernel.h Cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 20-Oct-00 John Baldwin wrote: > jhb 2000/10/20 15:12:18 PDT > > Modified files: > sys/sys kernel.h > Log: > Revert the init_clocks change in revision 1.72. On the alpha we use an > ISA device for our clock, so trying to initialize the clock before probing > devices introduces a chicken and egg problem. > > Debug help from: peter > > Revision Changes Path > 1.74 +2 -2 src/sys/sys/kernel.h This should fix the alpha kernels (in theory). This fix is only temporary however. The clock code on the alpha needs to be restructured somewhat (most of the clock initialization moved from cpu_initclocks() to clock_attach() and using the cpu clock interrupt to trigger hardclock() during the device probe) and then this change can be un-reverted. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Oct 21 5:27:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from francine.edoropolis.org (catv6055.extern.kun.nl [131.174.116.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2A837B479 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 05:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from francine.edoropolis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by francine.edoropolis.org (8.11.0/8.9.2) with ESMTP id e9LCRlj22435 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 14:27:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from purrcat@edoropolis.org) Message-Id: <200010211227.e9LCRlj22435@francine.edoropolis.org> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: fxtv on an Alpha? X-Mailer: nmh X-Maileditor: vi X-Visit: http://www.edoropolis.org/ X-Use: Leona-HTTPd, http://www.qdonksoft.com/ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 14:27:47 +0200 From: Khamba Staring Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Is it possible to use fxtv on an Alpha NoName board with a Hauppauge TV grabber? Does anyone have positive experience with this? Regards, -- Khamba Staring ps: I'm not the mailinglist, when replying, please also mail me.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Oct 21 15:52:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B322837B479 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.net ([24.0.178.21]) by femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001021225220.TGLU17121.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.net> for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:52:20 -0700 Message-ID: <39F21E9D.BB4968FC@home.net> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:54:21 -0700 From: Craig Burgess X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Of mice, XFree86, & Netscape Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Since cvsup'ing from 4.1 to 4.1.1 (rebuilt world & kernel), I've been getting these: xl1: transmission error: 90 xl1: tx underrun, increasing tx start threshold to 120 bytes xl1: transmission error: 90 xl1: tx underrun, increasing tx start threshold to 180 bytes Is this anything I need to be worried about and/or can correct? The rest is all whining about XFree86 on this machine: FreeBSD Felix 4.1.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE #7: Fri Oct 20 03:16:53 PDT 2000 EB164 Digital AlphaPC 164 500 MHz, 500MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. CPU: EV56 (21164A) major=7 minor=2 extensions=0x1 OSF PAL rev: 0x1000800020117 real memory = 265904128 (259672K bytes) avail memory = 252780544 (246856K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xfffffc0000658000. Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xfffffc0000658000. cia0: ALCOR/ALCOR2, pass 3 cia0: extended capabilities: 21 pcib0: <2117x PCI host bus adapter> on cia0 pci0: on pcib0 xl0: <3Com 3c905-TX Fast Etherlink XL> port 0x10180-0x101bf irq 2 at device 5.0 on pci0 xl0: interrupting at CIA irq 2 xl0: Ethernet address: 00:60:08:19:48:35 miibus0: on xl0 nsphy0: on miibus0 nsphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto pci0: <3D Labs model 0009 graphics accelerator> at 6.0 irq 0 xl1: <3Com 3c905B-TX Fast Etherlink XL> port 0x10100-0x1017f mem 0x830a0100-0x83 0a017f irq 1 at device 7.0 on pci0 xl1: interrupting at CIA irq 1 xl1: Ethernet address: 00:10:4b:9c:da:ee **************** Observations: there is no VGA16 server (upon which XF86Setup depends) for XFree86. I've looked at several of the US FTP sites and of those I've found, all are 45byte files - apparently empty. If the mouse is defined and enabled in /etc/rc.conf ('psm0' as sysinstall can do for you). xf86config (XFree86 3.3.6) trips over a "busy" mouse, and exits back to the command line. Not all Logitech PS/2-type mice (mouses?) are equal. Although the system saw a 2-button mouse (P/N: 95426-0000) , XFree86 didn't. Switching to a Logitech 3-button mouse (MouseMan P/N: 811158-00) solved that mouse problem. I changed su's shell to tcsh [chsh -s /usr/local/bin/tcsh] which successfully changed the shell however, upon USER exiting X-windows on the console, su generates this Warning: no access to tty (Inappropriate ioctl for device). Thus no job control in this shell. su is allowed but it appears to revert to the default shell. (I really like tabbed filename completion.) Finally, has anyone gotten Netscape for Tru64 to browse properly? I got it installed and it launches but complains that it "cannot find" urls by domain name. It displays my local webserver by IP number (192.168.10.1). The same domains it can't find I can ping without any problem so I'm almost confident that the nameserver entry in resolv.conf is good. Thanks, Craig Burgess Vista CA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Oct 21 20: 2:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2045037B4D7; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeppo.feral.com (IDENT:mjacob@zeppo [192.67.166.71]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31383; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 16:05:02 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 16:00:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: John Baldwin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: cvs commit: src/sys/sys kernel.h In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > On 20-Oct-00 John Baldwin wrote: > > jhb 2000/10/20 15:12:18 PDT > > > > Modified files: > > sys/sys kernel.h > > Log: > > Revert the init_clocks change in revision 1.72. On the alpha we use an > > ISA device for our clock, so trying to initialize the clock before probing > > devices introduces a chicken and egg problem. > > > > Debug help from: peter > > > > Revision Changes Path > > 1.74 +2 -2 src/sys/sys/kernel.h > > This should fix the alpha kernels (in theory). This fix is only > temporary however. The clock code on the alpha needs to be restructured > somewhat (most of the clock initialization moved from cpu_initclocks() > to clock_attach() and using the cpu clock interrupt to trigger hardclock() > during the device probe) and then this change can be un-reverted. Hmm. This is what I'd been thinking might be the case. However, not all alphas use an ISA clock. We'll see. As soon as my DSL comes back up (when you'll see this mail, likely) I'll update and try and see where we're at. -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Oct 21 23:19:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD7837B4CF; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 23:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32571; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 23:19:06 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 23:19:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: John Baldwin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: cvs commit: src/sys/sys kernel.h In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This (may have) caused my PC164 to now boot. I'll look into what you suggest tomorrow. On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > > On 20-Oct-00 John Baldwin wrote: > > > jhb 2000/10/20 15:12:18 PDT > > > > > > Modified files: > > > sys/sys kernel.h > > > Log: > > > Revert the init_clocks change in revision 1.72. On the alpha we use an > > > ISA device for our clock, so trying to initialize the clock before probing > > > devices introduces a chicken and egg problem. > > > > > > Debug help from: peter > > > > > > Revision Changes Path > > > 1.74 +2 -2 src/sys/sys/kernel.h > > > > This should fix the alpha kernels (in theory). This fix is only > > temporary however. The clock code on the alpha needs to be restructured > > somewhat (most of the clock initialization moved from cpu_initclocks() > > to clock_attach() and using the cpu clock interrupt to trigger hardclock() > > during the device probe) and then this change can be un-reverted. > > Hmm. This is what I'd been thinking might be the case. However, not > all alphas use an ISA clock. We'll see. As soon as my DSL comes back up (when > you'll see this mail, likely) I'll update and try and see where we're at. > > > -matt > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message