From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 1 0: 5: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from agora.bafug.org (chicago.mooseriver.com [209.133.53.176]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C13B14A2B for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 00:05:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch@agora.bafug.org) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by agora.bafug.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA39920 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 00:05:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch) From: Josef Grosch Message-Id: <200001010805.AAA39920@agora.bafug.org> Subject: BAFUG Announce To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 00:05:01 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is the monthly BAFUG posting. It contains 3 sections; Jobs, Counter, and Retail notice. This is posted on the first of the month. If there are any questions please send them to jgrosch@MooseRiver.com Thanks *** JOBS NOTICE *** San Francisco Bay Area FreeBSD Jobs BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) has put up a web page of employers in the San Francisco Bay Area who are looking for employees, permanent or contact, who have FreeBSD skills. The URL is : http://www.bafug.org/BayAreaJobs.html Employers: The emphasis here is FreeBSD. The job you are advertising should have FreeBSD as a major component of the job. If you wish to advertise a job please send the URL to your web page with the job listings to jgrosch@MooseRiver.com. Employees: When contacting these employers please tell them that you saw this job listing on the Bay Area FreeBSD Jobs page. *** COUNTER NOTICE *** FreeBSD Counter Project The FreeBSD Counter project and BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) have put up the first public beta of its counter page. The Counter project is an attempt to gauge the installed base of FreeBSD. We current do not have a very good idea as to what is our installed base, how FreeBSD is being used and by whom. Because of this, FreeBSD is at a disadvantage when talking to ISVs and hardware and software vendors. You are invited to register with the counter project. The counter page can be found at : http://www.bafug.org/FbsdCounter.html Couple of caveats: * Your information is held to be confidential. Only those on the project, FreeBSD core group, and Walnut Creek CDROM will ever see this information. It will _NOT_ be handed over to spammers, direct marketers, and any of the other assorted bozos. * Suggestions and comments are welcome! * The database behind this page was built from the email registrations sent to Walnut Creek. If you registered at the time of an install chances are you are in this database. *** RETAIL NOTICE *** Retail outlets for FreeBSD A common question for new users of FreeBSD is, "Where can I get a copy of FreeBSD"? Aside from Walnut Creek CDROM (http://www.cdrom.com) there are a number of retail outlets world wide. A partial list can be found at http://www.bafug.org/Retail.html Notice this is a partial list. We are collecting addresses (snail, email, and web) of retail outlets for FreeBSD. So, send us the address of you friendly (or not-so-friendly) store that carries FreeBSD. -- $Id: BafugAnnounce.txt,v 1.2 1999/10/01 07:10:24 jgrosch Exp $ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 1 8:13: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF72714C58 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 08:13:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r45.bfm.org [216.127.220.141]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 10:13:17 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000101101332.0080ceb0@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 10:13:32 -0600 To: chat@freebsd.org From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: I will never trust NBC news again! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is this a conspiracy? TV stations pretending they do not know when the next millenium starts? I guess NBC does not read FreeBSD mailing lists. Otherwise they could not have made such serious mistakes. Here's a copy of my email to NBC News: >Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 09:59:21 -0600 >To: nightly@nbc.com >From: "G. Adam Stanislav" >Subject: I will never trust NBC news again! > >I thought you were supposed to be reporting the truth, not making up wild stories. > >After last night's coverage of the New Year's celebration, I will never trust NBC news again. What is this nonsense about twins being born in two millenia that Tom Brokaw kept repeating ad nauseam? They were both born in the same millenium. > >I've got news for you: We are still in the 20th Century and 2nd Millenium until the end of the year 2000. As EVERYBODY knows, there was no year 0. And as we learned back in grade school, every century starts with 01 and ends with 00. 2000 is the last year of the century and of the millenium, not the first. > >And what is this talk about a Y2K *virus* that Ms. Couric came up with? A bug and a virus are two quite different things! > >If this is how accurately you report news you had plenty of time to research, I wonder how accurate your reports are about real news. I will never trust you again. Not in this century, not in the next when it comes a year from now! > >G. Adam Stanislav To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 1 8:34:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB42614C14 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 08:34:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 124RUI-0009zl-00; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 16:34:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09365; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 16:34:41 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 16:34:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathon McKitrick To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000101101332.0080ceb0@mail85.pair.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 1 Jan 2000, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: >>And what is this talk about a Y2K *virus* that Ms. Couric came up with? A >bug and a virus are two quite different things! It *is* true that there are some viruses out there that are triggered on jan 1 and that *simulate* the y2k bug. SO even computers that are Y2K ready may *appear* to have fallen prey to the bug. So this report is not incorrect. -=> jm <=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 1 9:17:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5127514FD0 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 09:17:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r45.bfm.org [216.127.220.141]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 11:17:23 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000101111741.0080a680@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 11:17:41 -0600 To: Jonathon McKitrick From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000101101332.0080ceb0@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 16:34 01-01-2000 +0000, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: >It *is* true that there are some viruses out there that are triggered on >jan 1 and that *simulate* the y2k bug. SO even computers that are Y2K >ready may *appear* to have fallen prey to the bug. So this report is not >incorrect. Yes, but from the context it was clear she was talking about the Y2K bug that people were so afraid of. But she referred to it as the Y2K virus (while everyone arround her was talking about the bug). To her credit, she appeared quite exhausted, but still, she clearly did not know the difference. And Tom Brokaw was talking about twins, each born in a different millenium and century: He repeatedly stated one was born in the 20th Century, the other in the 21st Century. When I heard him say it for about the third time, I had enough of the disinformation (I can't imagine that no one at NBC knows when the century starts, so it had to be disinformation rather than misinformation). I shut the TV off, and went to bed completely disgusted. This is not the first time something like this happened. In 1990 I was interviewed by an NBC affiliate station about the fall of Communism in Czechoslovakia. They asked me a lot of questions before we went on camera. Indeed, they asked them several times. Among other things I told them that my brother lived in Bratislava, and that it was against the law of Communist Czechoslovakia for me to leave my home country and not come back. They wrote it all down diligently. So, I almost fainted when the camera was turned on and they introduced me and said I originally entered the US illegally (sic!) and that my brother lived in Prague! After the interview I protested strongly. They said they wished I had protested during the interview. When they aired it, they aired it as taped, but at least immediately after the interview they aired a correction. Ever since then I have been taking their news reports with a grain of salt, but what they did last night went beyond somebody's jotting down quick notes and then misreading them ten minutes later! Cheers, Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 1 9:24:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7701514CCA for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 09:24:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 5317 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2000 17:24:13 -0000 Received: from userar34.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) (62.188.136.193) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2000 17:24:13 -0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05473; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 17:24:19 GMT (envelope-from mark) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 17:24:18 +0000 From: Mark Ovens To: Jonathon McKitrick Cc: "G. Adam Stanislav" , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! Message-ID: <20000101172418.C3202@marder-1> References: <3.0.6.32.20000101101332.0080ceb0@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jan 01, 2000 at 04:34:41PM +0000, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: > On Sat, 1 Jan 2000, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > >>And what is this talk about a Y2K *virus* that Ms. Couric came up with? A > >bug and a virus are two quite different things! > > It *is* true that there are some viruses out there that are triggered on > jan 1 and that *simulate* the y2k bug. SO even computers that are Y2K > ready may *appear* to have fallen prey to the bug. So this report is not > incorrect. > On a related note I heard that a US Naval website had a counter that was counting down to the "millenium" and at midnight it rolled over to Jan 1 19100. Can anyone confirm this? > -=> jm <=- > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- "there's a long-standing bug relating to the x86 architecture that allows you to install Windows too" -Matthew D. Fuller ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 1 10:50:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E4E15114 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 10:50:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 124Tbt-0004D2-00; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 18:50:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10133; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 18:50:37 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 18:50:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathon McKitrick To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000101111741.0080a680@mail85.pair.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well it seems to me even the people who *know* (though that may be a very small minority) that the millenium doesn't begin until 2001 would rather just jump on the bandwagon with everyone else because it's a lot more fun watching a calendar roll over to '2000' than '2001'. -=> jm <=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 1 12:14:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FDEF14BF4 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 12:14:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r14.bfm.org [216.127.220.110]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 14:14:31 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000101141500.009bac10@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 14:15:00 -0600 To: Jonathon McKitrick From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000101111741.0080a680@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 18:50 01-01-2000 +0000, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: >Well it seems to me even the people who *know* (though that may be a very >small minority) that the millenium doesn't begin until 2001 would rather >just jump on the bandwagon with everyone else because it's a lot more fun >watching a calendar roll over to '2000' than '2001'. I have no problem with NBC watching the 2000 rollover. It is their reporting "news" that is factually wrong that makes me not trust what they say. I am not sure about the very small minority - I learned in grade school about when centuries start and end, and it was just an ordinary grade school. I agree watching the 2000 rollover was fun. But not because it starts a new millenium, but, rather, because to anyone my age we are now "in the future." When I was a school kid in the late fifties and the sixties, my teachers had a very utopian view of the year 2000 which, to us, kids, was way in the future. Welcome to the future. :-) Cheers, Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 1 12:48:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [207.154.84.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3817E14D52 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 12:48:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drbrain@magnesium.net) Received: (qmail 6614 invoked by uid 1100); 1 Jan 2000 20:48:52 -0000 Date: 1 Jan 2000 12:48:52 -0800 Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 12:48:52 -0800 From: "Dr. Brain" To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Uptimes project has moved Message-ID: <20000101124852.A6598@toxic.magnesium.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The uptimes project has moved to www.uptimes.net, and apparently the database could not be transfered. I hear that the old page, uptimes.hexon.cx, will be falling into a state of non-maintenance, so head over to www.uptimes.net and re-register your machines! -- Eric Hodel - drbrain@segment7.net - http://segment7.net ... Had this been an actual emergency, we would have fled in terror, and you would not have been informed. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 1 13:44:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF75214D56 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 13:44:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: (from fullermd@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09417; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 15:44:20 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 15:44:20 -0600 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! Message-ID: <20000101154420.A3800@futuresouth.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20000101101332.0080ceb0@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000101101332.0080ceb0@mail85.pair.com> X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jan 01, 2000 at 10:13:32AM -0600, a little birdie told me that G. Adam Stanislav remarked > Is this a conspiracy? TV stations pretending they do not know when the next > millenium starts? I guess NBC does not read FreeBSD mailing lists. > Otherwise they could not have made such serious mistakes. It must be a conspiracy. Large-scale offenders I've personally tried to deal with include: CNN, WalMart, Fox, Comedy Central... A notable exception is the Boy Scouts, who appear to have a clue. They had a fundraider earlier this year, including a tin can of caramel popcorn, which has on the outside 'Highlights of the 20th Century: 1901-2000'. I was a happy camper. -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Unix Systems Administrator | fullermd@futuresouth.com Specializing in FreeBSD | http://www.over-yonder.net/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 1 14: 5: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from server03.gw.total-web.net (server03.gw.total-web.net [209.186.12.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 724CC14F3D for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 14:05:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jtilly@gw.total-web.net) Received: (qmail 17216 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2000 22:05:03 -0000 Received: from ip-165-157.gw.total-web.net (HELO frodo) (209.187.165.157) by server03.gw.total-web.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2000 22:05:03 -0000 Message-ID: <001f01bf54bc$5f0c7520$0301a8c0@lothlorien.com> From: "Jesse Tilly" To: "Matthew D. Fuller" , "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: References: <3.0.6.32.20000101101332.0080ceb0@mail85.pair.com> <20000101154420.A3800@futuresouth.com> Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 16:57:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 As much as I like to be "right", let's not forget that the calendar is a relative thing...it's not measuring *anything* accurately. Jesus' birthday is up for debate, the calendar has been changed for political reasons numerous times. Heck, some countries/cultures don't even use this calendar and have been in different year sets for, well, years...Two followed by three zeroes is neat. It's a story. Yes, people forget that they never count like programmers (starting with 1, not 0), but it's what the media latched on to, it's where the parties were, it's where the bug existed...it just is. If we're really going to nitpick, let's all start bitching about why the SI decided upon a time structure that only measures things in seconds and resorts back to European time scales for everything else...so much for divisible by 10. Jesse -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.1 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOG6iYwmK+av4UFSjEQK4JQCg9OxP/LxEt/0glW9FGZP4WB30b28AoPSz DDqzOtcylZPWqpVvDvbKQGk+ =1w5P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 1 14:40: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F3F14F68 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 14:40:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: (from fullermd@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11942; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 16:39:56 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 16:39:56 -0600 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Jesse Tilly Cc: "G. Adam Stanislav" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! Message-ID: <20000101163956.E3800@futuresouth.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20000101101332.0080ceb0@mail85.pair.com> <20000101154420.A3800@futuresouth.com> <001f01bf54bc$5f0c7520$0301a8c0@lothlorien.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <001f01bf54bc$5f0c7520$0301a8c0@lothlorien.com> X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jan 01, 2000 at 04:57:08PM -0800, a little birdie told me that Jesse Tilly remarked > > As much as I like to be "right", let's not forget that the calendar > is a relative thing...it's not measuring *anything* accurately. > Jesus' birthday is up for debate, the calendar has been changed for > political reasons numerous times. Heck, some countries/cultures > don't even use this calendar and have been in different year sets > for, well, years...Two followed by three zeroes is neat. It's a > story. Yes, people forget that they never count like programmers > (starting with 1, not 0), but it's what the media latched on to, it's > where the parties were, it's where the bug existed...it just is. If > we're really going to nitpick, let's all start bitching about why the > SI decided upon a time structure that only measures things in seconds > and resorts back to European time scales for everything else...so > much for divisible by 10. Indeed, and an argument I've heard before. HOWEVER: By convention we measure time in days, months, years, etc. By convention, most of the world uses the Gregorian calendar. By convention, said calendar starts at a year 1 which supposedly (tho by general agreement not actually) is the year of the birth of Jesus, the messiah figure considered to be the 'Son of (or Incarnation of) God' by the Christian religion(s). As a result of these conventions, it logically follows that 2001 is the 'new millenium', regarless of how cute three 0's look. All these measurements of time are to some extent a human invention (what the hell is a 'week' anyway?), since the most obvious timescale would be 'years since the planet coalesced' or 'years since life began', both of which are impossible dates to pin down to within a few million 'years'. So we make conventions to dictate 'When It Is' (tm), and by the general convention It Is still a year until the 3rd millenium and the 21st century. -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Unix Systems Administrator | fullermd@futuresouth.com Specializing in FreeBSD | http://www.over-yonder.net/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 1 16:11:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E45114F83 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 16:11:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: (from fullermd@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15946 for chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 18:11:38 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 18:11:38 -0600 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/miscfs/procfs procfs_status.c Message-ID: <20000101181137.G3800@futuresouth.com> References: <199912271607.IAA18952@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <199912271607.IAA18952@freefall.freebsd.org> X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Dec 27, 1999 at 08:07:27AM -0800, a little birdie told me that Peter Wemm remarked > peter 1999/12/27 08:07:27 PST > > Modified files: (Branch: RELENG_2_1_0) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > sys/miscfs/procfs procfs_status.c Holy crap. It's been a LOOOOOONG time since I've seen one of those... -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Unix Systems Administrator | fullermd@futuresouth.com Specializing in FreeBSD | http://www.over-yonder.net/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 1 16:24: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from norn.ca.eu.org (cr965240-b.abtsfd1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.19.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490E21517B for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 16:23:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cpiazza@norn.ca.eu.org) Received: by norn.ca.eu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7DDC4235; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 16:23:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 16:23:56 -0800 From: Chris Piazza To: "Matthew D. Fuller" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/miscfs/procfs procfs_status.c Message-ID: <20000101162356.C3320@norn.ca.eu.org> References: <199912271607.IAA18952@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000101181137.G3800@futuresouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000101181137.G3800@futuresouth.com>; from fullermd@futuresouth.com on Sat, Jan 01, 2000 at 06:11:38PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jan 01, 2000 at 06:11:38PM -0600, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > On Mon, Dec 27, 1999 at 08:07:27AM -0800, a little birdie told me > that Peter Wemm remarked > > peter 1999/12/27 08:07:27 PST > > > > Modified files: (Branch: RELENG_2_1_0) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > sys/miscfs/procfs procfs_status.c > > > Holy crap. It's been a LOOOOOONG time since I've seen one of those... Yeah, september 5th when peter went from $Id$ to $FreeBSD$ :-). -Chris -- cpiazza@jaxon.net cpiazza@FreeBSD.org Abbotsford, BC, Canada To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 1 18:50:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from tomts2-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts2.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F3115065 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 18:50:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost.nowhere ([206.172.208.85]) by tomts2-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.07 201-229-116-107) with ESMTP id <20000102025031.FHQB26813.tomts2-srv.bellnexxia.net@localhost.nowhere>; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 21:50:31 -0500 Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id VAA85863; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 21:50:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tim) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 21:50:22 -0500 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Jonathon McKitrick Cc: "G. Adam Stanislav" , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! Message-ID: <20000101215022.A84669@mad> References: <3.0.6.32.20000101111741.0080a680@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from Jonathon McKitrick on Sat, Jan 01, 2000 at 06:50:37PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jan 01, 2000 at 06:50:37PM +0000, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: > > Well it seems to me even the people who *know* (though that may be a very > small minority) that the millenium doesn't begin until 2001 would rather > just jump on the bandwagon with everyone else because it's a lot more fun > watching a calendar roll over to '2000' than '2001'. Yes. After listening to endless lectures on 2000 vs. 2001 from parents, peers at University, and this particular mailing-list, all intent on leveraging technicalities so that they could feel superior to the general populace, it was very merciful to spend New Year's with mostly college students. Ah, give me the bliss of ignorance anyday! "I should've taken the blue pill." ;-) [Or do I have the pill colours reversed?] And with that comment, I think we should also congratulate, in the spirit of "First Baby of the Millenium" contests, Jeremy Lea as the first new committer of the millenium! Woo-hoo! Way to go Jeremy! -- Signature withheld by request of author. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 1 19:17:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E9514D1D for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 19:17:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@oldserver.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.105.241] (helo=propro) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 124bWU-0004mK-00 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 03:17:39 +0000 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 04:17:38 +0100 (CET) From: Marc Schneiders To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: M$ needs Un*x licenses? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It looks like M$ is in need of Un*x licenses. It will give you Win2000 Server at half the normal price if you "upgrade" from Solaris, UnixWare, OSF/1 and other "qualifying competitive products". BSD/OS is not in their list. http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/server/pricing/default.asp -- Marc Schneiders marc@venster.nl marc@oldserver.demon.nl propro 4:08am up 2 days, 5:57, load average: 2.09 2.05 2.00 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 1 23: 6:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C430614E03 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 23:06:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r26.bfm.org [216.127.220.122]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 01:06:59 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000102004509.009c75a0@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 00:45:09 -0600 To: "Matthew D. Fuller" From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000101154420.A3800@futuresouth.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20000101101332.0080ceb0@mail85.pair.com> <3.0.6.32.20000101101332.0080ceb0@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 15:44 01-01-2000 -0600, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: >It must be a conspiracy. >Large-scale offenders I've personally tried to deal with include: CNN, >WalMart, Fox, Comedy Central... I am beginning to suspects the networks simply sold out to advertisers. There are millennium sales all over, and the networks don't want to lose the advertising dollar. >A notable exception is the Boy Scouts, who appear to have a clue. Good to see the Boy Scouts are still incorruptable. :) On a related topic, I submitted a web site to Lycos today, and was told I submitted it on 1-1-100. How nice from a network operated by CMU... Cheers, Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 1 23: 6:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9936C14E12 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 23:06:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r26.bfm.org [216.127.220.122]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 01:07:03 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000102005445.009bfac0@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 00:54:45 -0600 To: "Jesse Tilly" From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! Cc: In-Reply-To: <001f01bf54bc$5f0c7520$0301a8c0@lothlorien.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20000101101332.0080ceb0@mail85.pair.com> <20000101154420.A3800@futuresouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 16:57 01-01-2000 -0800, Jesse Tilly wrote: >As much as I like to be "right", let's not forget that the calendar >is a relative thing...it's not measuring *anything* accurately. No argument there. But it's not about the calendar. It is about reporting the news rather than creating it. Besides, if they wanted their story, they could have just said one twin was born in the nineteen hundreds, while the other in the two thousands (or is twenty hundreds?). I always have to laugh when watching a Subway commercial when the loony toon characters are ready to eat their sub right at the "milloonnium" but when midnight strikes, Taz barges in and eats it all. One of the characters says, "Well, there's always another millennium." To that I reply, yes, next year. Cheers, Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 2 3:58:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from asgaard.whispering.org (208-241-93-179.hsacorp.net [208.241.93.179]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608C114DA6; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 03:58:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from shadow.blackdawn.com (will@17-031.008.popsite.net [209.69.196.31]) by asgaard.whispering.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA71919; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 06:57:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: (from will@localhost) by shadow.blackdawn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA21492; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 06:58:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from will) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000101124852.A6598@toxic.magnesium.net> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 06:58:01 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: Will Andrews From: Will Andrews To: "Dr. Brain" Subject: RE: Uptimes project has moved Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org, kbyanc@posi.net, ports@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 01-Jan-00 Dr. Brain wrote: > The uptimes project has moved to www.uptimes.net, and apparently the database > could not be transfered. I hear that the old page, uptimes.hexon.cx, will > be falling into a state of non-maintenance, so head over to www.uptimes.net > and re-register your machines! I was thinking about porting the uptime client, but I think Kelly Yancey's port can just be modified to use the newer FreeBSD uptime client. -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 2 8:29:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc3.on.home.com (ha1.rdc3.on.home.com [24.2.9.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E07814A21 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 08:29:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from a.genkin@utoronto.ca) Received: from tea.thpoon.com ([24.114.152.71]) by mail.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with ESMTP id <20000102162722.OYKU7552.mail.rdc3.on.home.com@tea.thpoon.com> for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 08:27:22 -0800 Received: from antipode by tea.thpoon.com with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 124nsq-00069A-00; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 11:29:32 -0500 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! References: <3.0.6.32.20000101111741.0080a680@mail85.pair.com> <20000101215022.A84669@mad> X-Face: 0=A/O5-+sE[Tf%X>rYr?Y5LD4,:^'jaJ!4jC&UR*ZrrK2>^`g22Qeb]!:d;}2YJ|Hq"LHdF OX`jWX|AT-WVFQ(TPhFVak)0nt$aEdlOq=1~D,:\z5QlVOrZ2(H,mKg=Xr|'VlHA="r Organization: Wgaf From: Arcady Genkin Date: 02 Jan 2000 11:29:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: Tim Vanderhoek's message of "Sat, 1 Jan 2000 21:50:46 -0500" Message-ID: <87vh5czbbn.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> Lines: 6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) XEmacs/21.1 (Bryce Canyon) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned yet that (as a friend of mine pointed out) the true new millenium should start in 48 years or so... -- Arcady Genkin http://www.thpoon.com "'What good is my pity? Is not the pity the cross upon which he who loves man is nailed?..'" (Zarathustra - F. Nietzsche) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 2 13:28:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E6514DF1 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 13:28:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from JRuthenb@m4.sprynet.com) Received: from [209.138.177.218] (pool-209-138-177-218.ipls.grid.net [209.138.177.218]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA24676; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 16:28:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001022128.QAA24676@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 15:28:43 -0600 x-sender: JRuthenb@m4.sprynet.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Travis Ruthenburg To: "Arcady Genkin" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1/2/00 10:29 AM, Arcady Genkin (a.genkin@utoronto.ca) uttered: >I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned yet that (as a friend of mine >pointed out) the true new millenium should start in 48 years or so... I'm surprised that no one has yet mentioned the proper spelling of millennium. Travis Ruthenburg Wacky Funster jruthenb@sprynet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 2 22: 4:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc3.on.home.com (ha1.rdc3.on.home.com [24.2.9.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1564150D6 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 22:04:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from a.genkin@utoronto.ca) Received: from tea.thpoon.com ([24.114.152.71]) by mail.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with ESMTP id <20000103060224.TXFX7552.mail.rdc3.on.home.com@tea.thpoon.com> for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 22:02:24 -0800 Received: from antipode by tea.thpoon.com with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 1250bZ-00071H-00; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 01:04:33 -0500 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! References: <3.0.6.32.20000101111741.0080a680@mail85.pair.com> <20000101215022.A84669@mad> <87vh5czbbn.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> <38700597.C8A91457@aracnet.com> X-Face: 0=A/O5-+sE[Tf%X>rYr?Y5LD4,:^'jaJ!4jC&UR*ZrrK2>^`g22Qeb]!:d;}2YJ|Hq"LHdF OX`jWX|AT-WVFQ(TPhFVak)0nt$aEdlOq=1~D,:\z5QlVOrZ2(H,mKg=Xr|'VlHA="r Organization: Wgaf From: Arcady Genkin Date: 03 Jan 2000 01:04:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: D M P's message of "Sun, 2 Jan 2000 21:14:43 -0500" Message-ID: <873dsfzo5q.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> Lines: 12 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) XEmacs/21.1 (Bryce Canyon) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org D M P writes: > > I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned yet that (as a friend of mine > > pointed out) the true new millennium should start in 48 years or so... > > Would you mind explaining your logic for this one? Well, you know... 1024... 2048... -- Arcady Genkin http://www.thpoon.com "'What good is my pity? Is not the pity the cross upon which he who loves man is nailed?..'" (Zarathustra - F. Nietzsche) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 2 23:56:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B83A14D0F for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 23:56:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r38.bfm.org [216.127.220.134]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 01:56:36 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000103015708.009aa7b0@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 01:57:08 -0600 To: Arcady Genkin , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! In-Reply-To: <873dsfzo5q.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20000101111741.0080a680@mail85.pair.com> <20000101215022.A84669@mad> <87vh5czbbn.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> <38700597.C8A91457@aracnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:04 03-01-2000 -0500, Arcady Genkin wrote: >Well, you know... 1024... 2048... Wouldn't that be the kilennium rather than millennium? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 3 5:26:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from postal.globix.net (postal.globix.net [204.254.224.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6602914D76 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 05:26:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uncleben@mindspring.com) Received: from hayseed (bpitzer.support.globix.net [209.10.70.144]) by postal.globix.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA00572; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 08:25:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.20000103082247.00a8b470@popserver.globix.com> X-Sender: uncleben@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 08:25:23 -0500 To: Arcady Genkin , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Ben Pitzer Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! In-Reply-To: <873dsfzo5q.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20000101111741.0080a680@mail85.pair.com> <20000101215022.A84669@mad> <87vh5czbbn.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> <38700597.C8A91457@aracnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has somebody bee reading userfriendly.org again? Tsk, tsk. http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/99dec/19991231.html Ben At 01:04 AM 1/3/00 -0500, Arcady Genkin wrote: >D M P writes: > >> > I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned yet that (as a friend of mine >> > pointed out) the true new millennium should start in 48 years or so... >> >> Would you mind explaining your logic for this one? > >Well, you know... 1024... 2048... >-- >Arcady Genkin http://www.thpoon.com >"'What good is my pity? Is not the pity the cross upon which he who >loves man is nailed?..'" (Zarathustra - F. Nietzsche) > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 3 5:57:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail4.aracnet.com (mail4.aracnet.com [205.159.88.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A5614A08 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 05:57:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmp@aracnet.com) Received: from aracnet.com (216-99-217-134.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.217.134]) by mail4.aracnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06980; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 05:55:18 -0800 Message-ID: <3870AA1D.E61C070D@aracnet.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 05:54:37 -0800 From: D M P Organization: dmp@aracnet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Arcadk Genkin Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! References: <3.0.6.32.20000101111741.0080a680@mail85.pair.com> <20000101215022.A84669@mad> <87vh5czbbn.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> <38700597.C8A91457@aracnet.com> <873dsfzo5q.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Arcadk Genkin wrote: > D M P writes: > > > I'm surprised that nobodk has mentioned ket that (as a friend of mine > > > pointed out) the true new millennium should start in 48 kears or so... > > > > Would kou mind explaining kour logic for this one? > > Well, kou know... 1024... 2048... A millennium is defined as 1000 kears, not 1024. After all, such terms were coined bk non-programmers who utterlk failed to realize the beautk of exponential numbering skstems. But nonetheless, I have my K2k partk planned for Dec 31, 2048 just like everk other self-respecting computer geek out there. -- [dmp@aracnet.com] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 3 10: 4:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat200.60.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.200.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22CF14F39 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:04:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA61281; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:04:47 -0400 (AST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:04:47 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: ---- Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Your misleading, no LYING message to me In-Reply-To: <005701bf559e$ef1b4a00$7f3eb4d0@tcac.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Moved to -chat, since this isn't a -current related issue... On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, ---- wrote: > He is just expressing his point. From what I can tell someone removed him > from the list with no reason and now he is angry. I probably would be too. > > Also, I can tell that someone is doing some good covering up. Its ashame to > see leaders do this. Huh? Don't get pulled into the paranoia...I run several mailing lists with software that automagically removed ppl based on delivery errors, without any human intervention. As for the freebsd-* lists, I've been "removed" several times in the past ... its an annoyance, but I just send in a new subscribe message and away I go. The only problem I see with the way things are currently being done (manually, I believe), is that I don't know that I've been removed until I realize that things are just too quiet... > > Sam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2000 9:56 PM > Subject: Your misleading, no, LYING message to me > > > > Congratulations, Karl. You just proven to the world what a complete > asshole you really are. > > > > Now get out of here. We don't want you. > > > > -- > > This message has been sent via an anonymous mail relay at www.no-id.com. > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 3 10:58:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from kronos.alcnet.com (kronos.alcnet.com [63.69.28.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6F61500D; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:58:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kbyanc@posi.net) X-Provider: ALC Communications, Inc. http://www.alcnet.com/ Received: from localhost (kbyanc@localhost) by kronos.alcnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/antispam) with ESMTP id NAA15176; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:58:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:58:16 -0500 (EST) From: Kelly Yancey X-Sender: kbyanc@kronos.alcnet.com To: Will Andrews Cc: "Dr. Brain" , chat@FreeBSD.org, ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: Uptimes project has moved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Will Andrews wrote: > On 01-Jan-00 Dr. Brain wrote: > > The uptimes project has moved to www.uptimes.net, and apparently the database > > could not be transfered. I hear that the old page, uptimes.hexon.cx, will > > be falling into a state of non-maintenance, so head over to www.uptimes.net > > and re-register your machines! > > I was thinking about porting the uptime client, but I think Kelly Yancey's port > can just be modified to use the newer FreeBSD uptime client. > > -- > Will Andrews Unforunately, the new upclient requires all the parameters (login userid, password, hostID, and optional proxy info) to be compiled in. I do not see any reasonable way to port this. The best I could do is bomband require the user to specify all that information in the make command-line. Unless someone else wants to do that, I'm just going to flag the port as broken and wait until they fix the port to use a config file/command-line parameters again. Kelly -- Kelly Yancey - kbyanc@posi.net - Richmond, VA Analyst / E-business Development, Bell Industries http://www.bellind.com/ Maintainer, BSD Driver Database http://www.posi.net/freebsd/drivers/ Coordinator, Team FreeBSD http://www.posi.net/freebsd/Team-FreeBSD/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 3 11:30:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152A3152FA for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 11:30:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r45.bfm.org [216.127.220.141]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:30:54 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000103133051.0099acc0@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 13:30:51 -0600 To: The Hermit Hacker From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Your misleading, no LYING message to me Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <005701bf559e$ef1b4a00$7f3eb4d0@tcac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 14:04 03-01-2000 -0400, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > >Moved to -chat, since this isn't a -current related issue... Gosh, NOOOOOO!!!!!! I just unsubscribed from current because of this thread, now you are forcing me to read it again. Isn't it enough to have children fighting on one list? What's the point of spreading it elsewhere?! Jeers, Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 3 12:29:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat200.60.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.200.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E361525F for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:29:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA62755; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 16:29:01 -0400 (AST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 16:29:01 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Your misleading, no LYING message to me In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000103133051.0099acc0@mail85.pair.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > At 14:04 03-01-2000 -0400, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > > >Moved to -chat, since this isn't a -current related issue... > > Gosh, NOOOOOO!!!!!! I just unsubscribed from current because of this > thread, now you are forcing me to read it again. Isn't it enough to have > children fighting on one list? What's the point of spreading it elsewhere?! because it never belonged on -current in the first place... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 3 12:46:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from asgaard.whispering.org (208-241-93-179.hsacorp.net [208.241.93.179]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2A114D7F; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:46:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from shadow.blackdawn.com (14-098.008.popsite.net [209.69.195.98]) by asgaard.whispering.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA80922; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:46:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: (from will@localhost) by shadow.blackdawn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06652; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:46:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from will) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 15:46:07 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: Will Andrews From: Will Andrews To: Kelly Yancey Subject: RE: Uptimes project has moved Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, chat@FreeBSD.org, "Dr. Brain" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 03-Jan-00 Kelly Yancey wrote: > Unforunately, the new upclient requires all the parameters (login > userid, password, hostID, and optional proxy info) to be compiled in. I do > not see any reasonable way to port this. The best I could do is bomband > require the user to specify all that information in the make command-line. > Unless someone else wants to do that, I'm just going to flag the port as > broken and wait until they fix the port to use a config file/command-line > parameters again. It would be fairly trivial for me to write some code that'll take commandline options. getopt() is your friend. :-) If there is sufficient demand, I'll be happy to donate about 10 minutes to do this. -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 3 13:27: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from kronos.alcnet.com (kronos.alcnet.com [63.69.28.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7610914EF5; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:26:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kbyanc@posi.net) X-Provider: ALC Communications, Inc. http://www.alcnet.com/ Received: from localhost (kbyanc@localhost) by kronos.alcnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/antispam) with ESMTP id QAA18574; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 16:26:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 16:26:45 -0500 (EST) From: Kelly Yancey X-Sender: kbyanc@kronos.alcnet.com To: Will Andrews Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, chat@FreeBSD.org, "Dr. Brain" Subject: RE: Uptimes project has moved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > It would be fairly trivial for me to write some code that'll take commandline > options. getopt() is your friend. :-) > > If there is sufficient demand, I'll be happy to donate about 10 minutes to do > this. > If you do it, be sure to send it to the author for his next release. I'de really hate to have the port due non-FreeBSD-specific patching, especially for a feature that really should be in the program anyway. Thanks, Kelly -- Kelly Yancey - kbyanc@posi.net - Richmond, VA Analyst / E-business Development, Bell Industries http://www.bellind.com/ Maintainer, BSD Driver Database http://www.posi.net/freebsd/drivers/ Coordinator, Team FreeBSD http://www.posi.net/freebsd/Team-FreeBSD/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 4 2: 0:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from knight.cons.org (knight.cons.org [194.233.237.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1091500F for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 02:00:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cracauer@knight.cons.org) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by knight.cons.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01262; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:58:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:58:37 +0100 From: Martin Cracauer To: Steffen Merkel Cc: Martin Cracauer , kip@lyris.com, chrisy@flix.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Limited amount of variables in a multithreaded programm? Message-ID: <20000104105835.A28110@cons.org> References: <20000103173027.A61058@cons.org> <20000103184233.B17710@cons.org> <002001bf5697$31869fe0$0201a8c0@blade> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <002001bf5697$31869fe0$0201a8c0@blade>; from d_f0rce@gmx.de on Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 10:36:31AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steffen, first of all your, your questions were not bad enough to flame you, but I moved the thread to -chat, which might be more appropriate. What you miss (IMHO) is the mapping from the C language to the machine. If you knew it, everything would become clearer. Recommendations: - Get an idea how memory management for a process in the UNIX model looks like and what is allocated on the stack and what is not. The 4.4BSD book will help. - Get the Pentium manual from Intels' website (really the best documentation on the machine instructions, forget normal books). - View the assembler code of your C routines (gcc -S). - Use gdb not just to step C code lines, but inspect the lower level parts of a running program. Reagrding threads, I think the usualy API teaching books are near to useless. My thread books are at home, so i can't recommend one for now, but I would say a book about thread implementation is a good read for anyone using threads. Vahalia's "final frontier" is probably good. Don't try to understand everything from start, just absorb what you can. Martin In <002001bf5697$31869fe0$0201a8c0@blade>, Steffen Merkel wrote: > Hello, > > thanks for all your help again first. > As I stated in a previous question, I'v been learning C now for only some > weeks. It seems that I started to work on a project that Is far far away > from my knowledge :-) On the other hand I don't like learning in small > steps. I always try to reach something I'm not capable of yet. I wouldn't > bother you (so often) with my silly questions (as Chris Luke said: > "This really is C-101 type stuff." :-) ) if you could tell me a book about > programming FreeBSD. I have Stevens "Advanced programming..." and > Haviland's "Unix System programming" but there is not much about threads > in these books. Moreover there is nothing about variable stack sizes in > threads. > So how can I learn this? > > For you to know how little my knowledge is, I have to tell you that I've > only > got a vague image of what a stack is :-( > I didn't find anything about stacks in my "C-Beginners Guides". So how could > I know of? > > It would by great if there was something like a freebsd-newbie-programmers > mailing list. So I don't have to bother you with my questions. > > Steffen > -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ Tel.: (private) +4940 5221829 Fax.: (private) +4940 5228536 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 4 15: 7:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A2ED914E7E for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:07:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 2592 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2000 23:07:52 -0000 Received: from userae76.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) (62.188.131.218) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2000 23:07:52 -0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02352 for chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:07:49 GMT (envelope-from mark) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:07:49 +0000 From: Mark Ovens To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Under FreeBSD it just works :) Message-ID: <20000104230749.I352@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Since we see so many posts about "this doesn't work under FreeBSD" I thought I'd post this little anecdote. I've got an Epson ink-jet printer that worked under all 3 OSes (95, NT, FreeBSD) on my machine but haven't used it for a while. Tonight, the kids wanted to print something from one of their progs in 95 so I loaded some paper, switched it on, clicked "Print" and got a message pop-up "Out of paper". Checked the paper was loaded and confirmed it by running the printer's self test - OK. Still 95 said "Out of paper". Checked the parallel cable (I'd had a scanner on it the other day). Still "Out of paper". Thought, "Ah, Plug 'n' Pray, the printer was off when I booted 95", so re-booted (as per the M$ manual :)). Still "Out of paper". Removed the printer driver and re-installed it. Still "Out of paper". Re-booted and power-cycled the printer again. Still "Out of paper". The only thing left now was to re-install 95. "Bollocks to that", I thought and gave up. Just out of curiosity, booted FreeBSD, logged in, typed cat /etc/motd | lpr the printer whirred into life and out came the motd on paper :) Remind me again, why is Windows so good? ** FreeBSD - some day all Operating Systems will be made this way ** -- "there's a long-standing bug relating to the x86 architecture that allows you to install Windows too" -Matthew D. Fuller ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 4 17: 4:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2EBA14F30 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 17:04:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lynch@bsd.unix.sh) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01032; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:01:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:01:54 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: Will Andrews Cc: Jonathon McKitrick , chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Gorden Fischer Subject: Re: Will FreeBSD ever goes public? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Will Andrews wrote: > On 30-Dec-99 Jonathon McKitrick wrote: > > 1. Well, from what i have heard, linux needed a LOT of vendor support > > before it got to that point. FreeBSD has a ways to go in this area. > > Also, they have an icon, a leader, that the media can point to. This > > difference has been observed by others, since FreeBSD is a group rather > > than one person who makes all the decisions. > > Heh. FreeBSD has its own "icon", arguably (IMOBO) Jordan. ;-) don't let him hear you say that. ;) -Pat __ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net lynch@unix.sh lynch@blowfi.sh Systems Administrator Rush Networking To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 4 17:32:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E4914CBB for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 17:32:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r42.bfm.org [216.127.220.138]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 19:32:55 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000104193249.009a2d00@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 19:32:49 -0600 To: Mark Ovens , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Under FreeBSD it just works :) In-Reply-To: <20000104230749.I352@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 23:07 04-01-2000 +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: >The only thing left now was to re-install 95. "Bollocks to that", I >thought and gave up. That's because your system is infected by the Redmond Virus, more commonly referred to as Windows. Cheers, Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 4 22:42:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F33214EF3 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 22:42:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29939 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:42:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:42:11 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: FreeBSD-chat@freebsd.org Subject: headhunters Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone know a good techie headhunter in the SF/Bay Area? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include C & Java programming, New Year's Resolution: I | electronics, communications, and will not sphroxify gullible| signal processing. people into looking up | I run picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD-current(i386) and fictitious words in the | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD-current(Alpha)| dictionary. | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 4 22:56:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A85B15311 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 22:56:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA39061; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 22:56:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 22:56:11 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: Chuck Robey Cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: headhunters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Chuck Robey wrote: > Anyone know a good techie headhunter in the SF/Bay Area? freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org? :-) Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 4 23:48:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from norn.ca.eu.org (cr965240-b.abtsfd1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.19.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3826F14A27 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:48:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cpiazza@norn.ca.eu.org) Received: by norn.ca.eu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8BCAD187; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:48:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:48:57 -0800 From: Chris Piazza To: Vallo Kallaste Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Opera Beta and FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000104234857.A393@norn.ca.eu.org> References: <000d01bf56fa$cc7510a0$7f3eb4d0@tcac.net> <20000104141208.B379@norn.ca.eu.org> <20000105093611.A29239@myhakas.matti.ee> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000105093611.A29239@myhakas.matti.ee>; from vallo@matti.ee on Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 09:36:11AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [moved to -chat] On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 09:36:11AM +0200, Vallo Kallaste wrote: > On Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 02:12:08PM -0800, Chris Piazza wrote: > > > Yes. I must warn you it's still really buggy if you intend to use > > it a lot. Basically all I did was grab the opera tarball, extract > > it and run the 'runnow' script. > > > > Screenshot here: http://www.freebsd.org/~cpiazza/sshot-opera.png > > What WM you are running? Is it Blackbox with KDE or..? It's just plain KDE with the 'operational' theme (available from kde.themes.org). -Chris -- cpiazza@jaxon.net cpiazza@FreeBSD.org Abbotsford, BC, Canada To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 5 2: 4:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from berk.mail.netforce.net (berk.mail.netforce.net [195.58.64.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8C414E6C for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 02:04:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jholtom@netforce.net) Received: from bagpuss.i.netforce.net (tarbuck.netforce.net [195.58.64.34]) by berk.mail.netforce.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA17698 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:24:59 GMT Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:08:21 +0000 (GMT) From: James Holtom Reply-To: James Holtom To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! In-Reply-To: <3870AA1D.E61C070D@aracnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, D M P wrote: > Arcadk Genkin wrote: > > D M P writes: > > > > I'm surprised that nobodk has mentioned ket that (as a friend of mine > > > > pointed out) the true new millennium should start in 48 kears or so... > > > > > > Would kou mind explaining kour logic for this one? > > > > Well, kou know... 1024... 2048... > > A millennium is defined as 1000 kears, not 1024. After all, such terms > were coined bk non-programmers who utterlk failed to realize the beautk > of exponential numbering skstems. > > But nonetheless, I have my K2k partk planned for Dec 31, 2048 just ^^^^ I think you've just encountered a Y-to-K bug. :-) James To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 5 7:36:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67AC153F2 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 07:36:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from workhorse (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27094; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 08:36:02 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000105083357.00b1d9a0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 08:36:01 -0700 To: Chuck Robey , FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: headhunters In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry, but a sentence with the words "good" and "headhunter" together does not make sense. You'll get better results from the Net than by hiring one of those scoundrels. --Brett At 11:42 PM 1/4/2000 , Chuck Robey wrote: >Anyone know a good techie headhunter in the SF/Bay Area? > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Chuck Robey | Interests include C & Java programming, >New Year's Resolution: I | electronics, communications, and >will not sphroxify gullible| signal processing. >people into looking up | I run picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD-current(i386) and >fictitious words in the | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD-current(Alpha)| >dictionary. | >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 5 7:36:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wondermutt.net (host75-157.student.udel.edu [128.175.75.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A34153F2; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 07:36:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from papalia@udel.edu) Received: from morgaine (nyf-ny15-36.ix.netcom.com [198.211.19.164]) by wondermutt.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA29157; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:38:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from papalia@udel.edu) Message-Id: <4.1.20000105103149.00969e00@mail.udel.edu> X-Sender: papalia@mail.udel.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 10:36:50 -0500 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org From: John Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey all, I was hoping someone could point me in the correct direction. To try to bolster my case to create a FreeBSD-based network in the company I'm working for, I need to be able to "prove" that there is in fact Unix help out there, that is readily available. The argument I'm being given is that "I can get an NT guy anywhere", but they have no experience with getting Unix help, except for one god-awful AIX box we're running. I've been to: http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/consulting.html http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/freebsd/consultants.html Simply put, I'm trying to find a company located in the Philadelphia-ish region of the country that can offer initial consultantion services (beyond myself), but can also offer say.... 8am-8PM tech support in case of crashes, emergencies, etc, at times when the currently assigned personnell might not be available. Any hints or directions that can be offered would be great!!!! Thanks in advance, John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 5 7:38:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.gfit.net (ns.gfit.net [209.41.124.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDF614A0A for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 07:38:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Received: from PARANOR (timembt.iinc.com [206.67.169.229]) by mercury.gfit.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA06525 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:45:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000105103806.0159b688@mail.embt.com> X-Sender: tembt@mail.embt.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 10:38:06 -0500 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Tom Embt Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! In-Reply-To: References: <3870AA1D.E61C070D@aracnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:08 01/05/2000 +0000, James Holtom wrote: >On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, D M P wrote: > >> Arcadk Genkin wrote: >> > D M P writes: >> > > > I'm surprised that nobodk has mentioned ket that (as a friend of mine >> > > > pointed out) the true new millennium should start in 48 kears or so... >> > > >> > > Would kou mind explaining kour logic for this one? >> > >> > Well, kou know... 1024... 2048... >> >> A millennium is defined as 1000 kears, not 1024. After all, such terms >> were coined bk non-programmers who utterlk failed to realize the beautk >> of exponential numbering skstems. >> >> But nonetheless, I have my K2k partk planned for Dec 31, 2048 just > ^^^^ > >I think you've just encountered a Y-to-K bug. :-) > >James > And I thought the millenium was at Tue Jan 19 03:14:06 GMT 2038 Tom Embt tom@embt.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 5 9:51: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from plab.ku.dk (plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4847E15033 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:51:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tobez@plab.ku.dk) Received: (from tobez@localhost) by plab.ku.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA75563; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 18:52:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from tobez) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 18:52:38 +0100 From: Anton Berezin To: Lutz Albers Cc: ---- , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Opera Beta and FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000105185238.B73375@plab.ku.dk> References: <000d01bf56fa$cc7510a0$7f3eb4d0@tcac.net> <2182701833.947075506@[192.168.42.202]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <2182701833.947075506@[192.168.42.202]> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [moving to -chat] On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 01:36:43PM +0100, Lutz Albers wrote: >> Has anyone gotten Opera beta working under linux emulation? > Works fine, but you need the glibc-2.1 libraries (i.e. from RedHat > 6.1), as it is linked against these. How did you guys manage to download it? There is apparently something very wrong with their ftp server whole day today... :-( Cheers, -- Anton Berezin The Protein Laboratory, University of Copenhagen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 5 10:52:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from colin.muc.de (colin.muc.de [193.149.48.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3AF5415483 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:52:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lutz@tavari.de) Received: from tavari.muc.de ([193.149.49.22]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <140599-1>; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:52:32 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tavari.muc.de (8.8.8/8.8.7) id TAA04553; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:16:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from ripley.tavari.muc.de(192.168.42.202), claiming to be "192.168.42.202" via SMTP by smptd, id smtpdiR4551; Wed Jan 5 19:16:42 2000 From: Lutz Albers To: Anton Berezin Cc: ---- , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Opera Beta and FreeBSD Message-ID: <2206995274.947099800@[192.168.42.202]> In-Reply-To: <20000105185238.B73375@plab.ku.dk> X-Mailer: Mulberry (Win32) [2.0.0b7, s/n U-301229] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:52:28 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If memory serves me right, Anton Berezin said on 2000-01-05 18:52 +0100: > [moving to -chat] > > On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 01:36:43PM +0100, Lutz Albers wrote: > >>> Has anyone gotten Opera beta working under linux emulation? > >> Works fine, but you need the glibc-2.1 libraries (i.e. from RedHat >> 6.1), as it is linked against these. > > How did you guys manage to download it? There is apparently something > very wrong with their ftp server whole day today... :-( I downloaded it before Christmas, after the first annoncement on slashdot. BTW: I forgot to mention: this was under 3.4-STABLE -- Lutz Albers, lutz@tavari.de, pgp key available from Do not take life too seriously, you will never get out of it alive. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 5 10:58:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from plab.ku.dk (plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E3315157 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:58:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tobez@plab.ku.dk) Received: (from tobez@localhost) by plab.ku.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA76424; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 20:00:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from tobez) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 20:00:02 +0100 From: Anton Berezin To: Lutz Albers Cc: ---- , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Opera Beta and FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000105200002.C73375@plab.ku.dk> References: <20000105185238.B73375@plab.ku.dk> <2206995274.947099800@[192.168.42.202]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <2206995274.947099800@[192.168.42.202]> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 07:52:28PM +0100, Lutz Albers wrote: >>>> Has anyone gotten Opera beta working under linux emulation? >> How did you guys manage to download it? There is apparently >> something very wrong with their ftp server whole day today... :-( > I downloaded it before Christmas, after the first annoncement on > slashdot. Oh, thanks. Their ftp server is currently in trouble, but, strangely enough, the very same file is readily available through http; there is no reference to it from opera website, so if anybody else is having the same problem I have, the place which works is: http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/apps/www/browsers/opera-19991224.tar.gz Cheers, -- Anton Berezin The Protein Laboratory, University of Copenhagen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 5 11: 8:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from intranova.net (blacklisted.intranova.net [209.3.31.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D12215520 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:08:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oogali@intranova.net) Received: (qmail 42195 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2000 14:10:05 -0000 Received: from hydrant.intranova.net (user6787@209.201.95.10) by blacklisted.intranova.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2000 14:10:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:05:52 -0500 (EST) From: Omachonu Ogali To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: Mark Ovens , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Under FreeBSD it just works :) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000104193249.009a2d00@mail85.pair.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Also codenamed Chicago at one point. (Who comes up with these names anyway?) Omachonu Ogali Intranova Networking Group On Tue, 4 Jan 2000, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > At 23:07 04-01-2000 +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: > >The only thing left now was to re-install 95. "Bollocks to that", I > >thought and gave up. > > That's because your system is infected by the Redmond Virus, more commonly > referred to as Windows. > > Cheers, > Adam > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 5 16:23: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDAA8155F9 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:22:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jj@sans.mtx.net) Received: from ncc74656.local (ppp31n1.mtx.net.au [203.15.26.61]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18620 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:52:24 +1030 (CST) Received: from TWAIN (twain [10.0.0.2]) by ncc74656.local (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA74455 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:51:55 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from jj@sans.mtx.net) From: "Lucas James" To: Subject: Apple - Mac OS X based on FreeBSD 3.2 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:00:15 +1030 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01BF5835.3671EC90" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BF5835.3671EC90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit G'Day all, We've been menioned on the apple site for Mac OS X: http://www.apple.com/macosx/inside.html YiU Lucas -- I was going to include a witty saying But I couldn't think of one ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BF5835.3671EC90 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Apple - Mac OS X.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Apple - Mac OS X.url" [DEFAULT] BASEURL=http://www.apple.com/macosx/inside.html [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.apple.com/macosx/inside.html Modified=10CFB39BDB57BF011F ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BF5835.3671EC90 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Lucas James.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Lucas James.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:James;Lucas;;LAC FN:Lucas James NICKNAME:jj EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:jj@sans.mtx.net REV:19991228T042122Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BF5835.3671EC90-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 5 17:14:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79C41554F for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:14:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r8.bfm.org [216.127.220.104]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:11:56 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000105191207.00810e50@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 19:12:07 -0600 To: Omachonu Ogali From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Under FreeBSD it just works :) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000104193249.009a2d00@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 14:05 05-01-2000 -0500, Omachonu Ogali wrote: >Also codenamed Chicago at one point. (Who comes up with these names >anyway?) I wonder if that was a subtle joke by some prankster inside MS. Chicago is nicknamed the Windy City. By naming Windows Chicago, MS has implied their software would be often hit by winds blowing from all directions. :-) Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 5 17:36:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874A015517 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:36:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17842; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 20:36:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <200001060136.UAA17842@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000105103806.0159b688@mail.embt.com> from Tom Embt at "Jan 5, 2000 10:38:06 am" To: tom@embt.com (Tom Embt) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 20:36:11 -0500 (EST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tom Embt wrote, > At 10:08 01/05/2000 +0000, James Holtom wrote: > >On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, D M P wrote: > > > >> Arcadk Genkin wrote: > >> > D M P writes: > >> > > > I'm surprised that nobodk has mentioned ket that (as a friend of mine > >> > > > pointed out) the true new millennium should start in 48 kears or > so... > >> > > > >> > > Would kou mind explaining kour logic for this one? > >> > > >> > Well, kou know... 1024... 2048... > >> > >> A millennium is defined as 1000 kears, not 1024. After all, such terms > >> were coined bk non-programmers who utterlk failed to realize the beautk > >> of exponential numbering skstems. > >> > >> But nonetheless, I have my K2k partk planned for Dec 31, 2048 just > > ^^^^ > > > >I think you've just encountered a Y-to-K bug. :-) > > > >James > > > > And I thought the millenium was at > > Tue Jan 19 03:14:06 GMT 2038 ITYM, "Armageddon." And I thought it was at, % date -ur 2147483647 Tue Jan 19 03:14:07 GMT 2038 -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 5 22:54:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ocis.ocis.net (ocis.ocis.net [209.52.173.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1089A14C05 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:54:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fcash@bigfoot.com) Received: from phoenix (dial-72.ocis.net [209.52.173.204]) by ocis.ocis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA25010; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:54:12 -0800 Message-Id: <200001060654.WAA25010@ocis.ocis.net> From: "Freddie Cash" To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:57:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Under FreeBSD it just works :) Reply-To: fcash@bigfoot.com Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.20000105191207.00810e50@mail85.pair.com> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > At 14:05 05-01-2000 -0500, Omachonu Ogali wrote: > >Also codenamed Chicago at one point. (Who comes up with these names > >anyway?) > I wonder if that was a subtle joke by some prankster inside MS. Chicago is > nicknamed the Windy City. By naming Windows Chicago, MS has implied their > software would be often hit by winds blowing from all directions. :-) Either that, or you'd be able to hear the wind blowing through all the holes in the system. :-) Freddie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 6 5:11:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.gfit.net (ns.gfit.net [209.41.124.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFFB414F5D for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 05:11:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Received: from PARANOR (timembt.iinc.com [206.67.169.229]) by mercury.gfit.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA15546; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 07:18:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000106081108.015a8e68@mail.embt.com> X-Sender: tembt@mail.embt.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 08:11:08 -0500 To: cjclark@home.com From: Tom Embt Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200001060136.UAA17842@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20000105103806.0159b688@mail.embt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 20:36 01/05/2000 -0500, Crist J. Clark wrote: >Tom Embt wrote, >> At 10:08 01/05/2000 +0000, James Holtom wrote: >> >On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, D M P wrote: >> > >> >> Arcadk Genkin wrote: >> >> > D M P writes: >> >> > > > I'm surprised that nobodk has mentioned ket that (as a friend of mine >> >> > > > pointed out) the true new millennium should start in 48 kears or >> so... >> >> > > >> >> > > Would kou mind explaining kour logic for this one? >> >> > >> >> > Well, kou know... 1024... 2048... >> >> >> >> A millennium is defined as 1000 kears, not 1024. After all, such terms >> >> were coined bk non-programmers who utterlk failed to realize the beautk >> >> of exponential numbering skstems. >> >> >> >> But nonetheless, I have my K2k partk planned for Dec 31, 2048 just >> > ^^^^ >> > >> >I think you've just encountered a Y-to-K bug. :-) >> > >> >James >> > >> >> And I thought the millenium was at >> >> Tue Jan 19 03:14:06 GMT 2038 > >ITYM, "Armageddon." And I thought it was at, > >% date -ur 2147483647 >Tue Jan 19 03:14:07 GMT 2038 >-- >Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com > It would be Armageddon for ankone who is still using a 32bit OS at that time, otherwise it's just a big "rollover" when we start using the next bit. At least, it sounds good to me.. BTW, I *think* it would be 2^31-1 not 2^31. For example, doesn't a char store values from -128 to 127 ? Tom Embt tom@embt.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 6 6:19:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5331315628 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 06:19:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 126Dl6-0002Mz-00; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:19:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA66468; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:19:23 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:19:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathon McKitrick To: Tom Embt Cc: cjclark@home.com, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000106081108.015a8e68@mail.embt.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >BTW, I *think* it would be 2^31-1 not 2^31. For example, doesn't a char >store values from -128 to 127 ? Only if it's treated as a signed value. If it is unsigned, then the extra bit can be used for value storage. signed int: -128 127 unsigned: 0 255 -=> jm <=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 6 7:23:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464D215603 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 07:23:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19932; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:27:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <200001061527.KAA19932@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000106081108.015a8e68@mail.embt.com> from Tom Embt at "Jan 6, 2000 08:11:08 am" To: tom@embt.com (Tom Embt) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:27:47 -0500 (EST) Cc: cjclark@home.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tom Embt wrote, > At 20:36 01/05/2000 -0500, Crist J. Clark wrote: > >Tom Embt wrote, > >> At 10:08 01/05/2000 +0000, James Holtom wrote: > >> >On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, D M P wrote: > >> > > >> >> Arcadk Genkin wrote: > >> >> > D M P writes: > >> >> > > > I'm surprised that nobodk has mentioned ket that (as a friend > of mine > >> >> > > > pointed out) the true new millennium should start in 48 kears or > >> so... > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Would kou mind explaining kour logic for this one? > >> >> > > >> >> > Well, kou know... 1024... 2048... > >> >> > >> >> A millennium is defined as 1000 kears, not 1024. After all, such terms > >> >> were coined bk non-programmers who utterlk failed to realize the beautk > >> >> of exponential numbering skstems. > >> >> > >> >> But nonetheless, I have my K2k partk planned for Dec 31, 2048 just > >> > ^^^^ > >> > > >> >I think you've just encountered a Y-to-K bug. :-) > >> > > >> >James > >> > > >> > >> And I thought the millenium was at > >> > >> Tue Jan 19 03:14:06 GMT 2038 > > > >ITYM, "Armageddon." And I thought it was at, > > > >% date -ur 2147483647 > >Tue Jan 19 03:14:07 GMT 2038 > >-- > >Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com > > > > It would be Armageddon for ankone who is still using a 32bit OS at that > time, otherwise it's just a big "rollover" when we start using the next > bit. At least, it sounds good to me.. Being a 32-bit OS really has nothing directly to do with it. You can easily write code to handle arbitrarily large numbers. The origin of a 32-bit counter is the same as the mythical Y2k bug. Thirty-two bits seemed big enough at the time (almost 70 years after all), memory was at a premium, and it was just kinda convenient. What it takes to fix this is that every program that assumes time_t to be a four-byte int needs to be fixed so that it makes no assumptions about time_t other than it is an integer-type. Once that is done, a 32-bit, 64-bit, 16-bit, or 12-bit OS will all be happy with a counter of whatever size we want. > BTW, I *think* it would be 2^31-1 not 2^31. For example, doesn't a char > store values from -128 to 127 ? Yes and yes. But, ( (2^31 - 1) == 2147483647 ) That is what I had. And just for date(1) trivia buffs, note that, % date -ur -2147483648 Fri Dec 13 20:45:52 GMT 1901 -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 6 8: 6: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0F8155DE for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:05:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20035; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:08:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <200001061608.LAA20035@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! In-Reply-To: from Jonathon McKitrick at "Jan 6, 2000 02:19:23 pm" To: jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (Jonathon McKitrick) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:08:11 -0500 (EST) Cc: tom@embt.com (Tom Embt), cjclark@home.com, chat@freebsd.org Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jonathon McKitrick wrote, > > >BTW, I *think* it would be 2^31-1 not 2^31. For example, doesn't a char > >store values from -128 to 127 ? > > Only if it's treated as a signed value. If it is unsigned, then the extra > bit can be used for value storage. ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I think that is a misleading way to phrase it or think about it. In signed or unsigned integer-types, all bits are used for "value storage." This is seen in your example, > signed int: -128 127 > unsigned: 0 255 Both of these ranges contain 256 values, the number of states that 8 binary switches can assume. All bits are used for "value storage." How we map those 256 states to the mathematical objects, like integers, is up to the programmer. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 6 10:10:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5736015602 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:10:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 22733 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2000 18:10:09 -0000 Received: from userak55.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) (62.188.134.29) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2000 18:10:09 -0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00874; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:10:04 GMT (envelope-from mark) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:10:04 +0000 From: Mark Ovens To: Freddie Cash Cc: "G. Adam Stanislav" , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Under FreeBSD it just works :) Message-ID: <20000106181004.A326@marder-1> References: <200001060654.WAA25010@ocis.ocis.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <200001060654.WAA25010@ocis.ocis.net> Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 10:57:57PM -0800, Freddie Cash wrote: > > At 14:05 05-01-2000 -0500, Omachonu Ogali wrote: > > >Also codenamed Chicago at one point. (Who comes up with these names > > >anyway?) > > > I wonder if that was a subtle joke by some prankster inside MS. Chicago is > > nicknamed the Windy City. By naming Windows Chicago, MS has implied their > > software would be often hit by winds blowing from all directions. :-) > > Either that, or you'd be able to hear the wind blowing through all the > holes in the system. :-) > The association with gangsters & racketeers springs to my mind:) > Freddie > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- "there's a long-standing bug relating to the x86 architecture that allows you to install Windows too" -Matthew D. Fuller ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 6 11: 0:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from umd5.umd.edu (umd5.umd.edu [128.8.10.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624BC14FD4 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:00:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from wolfe.umd.edu (wolfe.umd.edu [128.8.10.52]) by umd5.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA22198; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:59:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by wolfe.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA10891; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:59:52 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: wolfe.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:59:51 -0500 (EST) From: James Howard X-Sender: howardjp@wolfe.umd.edu To: Bakul Shah Cc: Julian Elischer , Darren Reed , Yoshinobu Inoue , louie@TransSys.COM, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0 code freeze scheduled for Jan 15th In-Reply-To: <200001061328.IAA11896@chai.torrentnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Bakul Shah wrote: > fairings After a year or so of reading these mailing lists, I have seen several (many?) references to fairings. I have figured out they were once an object of some debate, but that is all I know. How do they relate to bike sheds (something else which seems to be debated upon)? What isn't this in the handbook/FAQ? :) Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 6 12:27:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD8814E16 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:27:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 126JVI-00039l-00; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:27:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA74826; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:27:27 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:27:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathon McKitrick To: Delmir Fernandes Cc: freebsd-chat Subject: Re: FreeBSD must remail non-commercial at all (Was: Not enoughinformation) In-Reply-To: <002101bf5883$fa6caf10$0200a8c0@enteract.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Delmir Fernandes wrote: >First I want to let you know that mine roommate's last name is also >McKitrick! Where do you live? Where is he from? Is it spelled with only one 't'? >Second - > If the effort to market Porsches to the minivan market had no >difference... I'd definitely say YES.... and that is the case on the open >source world.... got it? Actually, since most opensource programmers are volunteers, it is often all they can do to keep up with the basic programming that is part of keeping an OS current. But it might be a project for an outside company who would like to repackage the OS into a different form and then sell or give it away. (like Mandrake does with RedHat). -=> jm <=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 6 15:58:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A04161580D for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:58:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 8798 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2000 23:58:04 -0000 Received: from useral42.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) (62.188.134.115) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2000 23:58:04 -0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01623; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 23:58:09 GMT (envelope-from mark) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 23:58:08 +0000 From: Mark Ovens To: Chris Piazza Cc: Vallo Kallaste , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Opera Beta and FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000106235808.D326@marder-1> References: <000d01bf56fa$cc7510a0$7f3eb4d0@tcac.net> <20000104141208.B379@norn.ca.eu.org> <20000105093611.A29239@myhakas.matti.ee> <20000104234857.A393@norn.ca.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <20000104234857.A393@norn.ca.eu.org> Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 11:48:57PM -0800, Chris Piazza wrote: > [moved to -chat] > > On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 09:36:11AM +0200, Vallo Kallaste wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 02:12:08PM -0800, Chris Piazza wrote: > > > > > Yes. I must warn you it's still really buggy if you intend to use > > > it a lot. Basically all I did was grab the opera tarball, extract > > > it and run the 'runnow' script. > > > http://www.opera.com/linux/index.html#faq states that the hope to support FreeBSD with a native version :) "In most cases, we simply need to recompile for each platform and create a native package for release....." BTW, since this needs glibc-2.1 (which I've installed and it replaced most (all?) of the 2.0.7 files yet everything Linux still works) is there any reason why linux_base can't be updated to include it, instead of glibc-2.0.7?? Maybe I should deinstall it, edit the Makefile, re-build, and if it works then submit a PR? > > > Screenshot here: http://www.freebsd.org/~cpiazza/sshot-opera.png > > > > What WM you are running? Is it Blackbox with KDE or..? > > It's just plain KDE with the 'operational' theme (available from > kde.themes.org). > > -Chris > -- > cpiazza@jaxon.net cpiazza@FreeBSD.org > Abbotsford, BC, Canada > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- "there's a long-standing bug relating to the x86 architecture that allows you to install Windows too" -Matthew D. Fuller ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 6 18:33:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from intranova.net (blacklisted.intranova.net [209.3.31.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7512614E10 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:33:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oogali@intranova.net) Received: (qmail 5517 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2000 21:30:27 -0000 Received: from hydrant.intranova.net (user31307@209.201.95.10) by blacklisted.intranova.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2000 21:30:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:26:46 -0500 (EST) From: Omachonu Ogali To: Jonathon McKitrick Cc: Tom Embt , cjclark@home.com, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It can't be signed because you then break all dates before the Unix epoch (January 1, 1970 00:00:00 UTC) Omachonu Ogali Intranova Networking Group On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: > > >BTW, I *think* it would be 2^31-1 not 2^31. For example, doesn't a char > >store values from -128 to 127 ? > > Only if it's treated as a signed value. If it is unsigned, then the extra > bit can be used for value storage. > > signed int: -128 127 > unsigned: 0 255 > > -=> jm <=- > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 6 18:45:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from tomts1-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts1.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994B215763 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:45:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost.nowhere ([206.172.224.195]) by tomts2-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.07 201-229-116-107) with ESMTP id <20000107013856.MXXW26813.tomts2-srv.bellnexxia.net@localhost.nowhere>; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:38:56 -0500 Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id UAA01004; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:38:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tim) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:38:16 -0500 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: James Howard Cc: Bakul Shah , Julian Elischer , Darren Reed , Yoshinobu Inoue , louie@TransSys.COM, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0 code freeze scheduled for Jan 15th Message-ID: <20000106203816.A925@mad> References: <200001061328.IAA11896@chai.torrentnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from James Howard on Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 01:59:51PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 01:59:51PM -0500, James Howard wrote: > > After a year or so of reading these mailing lists, I have seen several > (many?) references to fairings. I have figured out they were once an There are no fairings. -- Signature withheld by request of author. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 6 19: 5: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777E81577A for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 19:04:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac9.wam.umd.edu (root@rac9.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.149]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01222; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:21:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from rac9.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac9.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA11757; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by rac9.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11753; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:21:18 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: rac9.wam.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:21:18 -0500 (EST) From: James Howard To: Tim Vanderhoek Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4.0 code freeze scheduled for Jan 15th In-Reply-To: <20000106203816.A925@mad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 01:59:51PM -0500, James Howard wrote: > > > > After a year or so of reading these mailing lists, I have seen several > > (many?) references to fairings. I have figured out they were once an > > There are no fairings. But what are fairings? Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 6 21:44:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from tomts3-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts3.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61796151D5 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:44:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost.nowhere ([206.172.198.223]) by tomts1-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.07 201-229-116-107) with ESMTP id <20000107050531.OIWY24271.tomts1-srv.bellnexxia.net@localhost.nowhere>; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 00:05:31 -0500 Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id AAA03477; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 00:05:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tim) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 00:05:27 -0500 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: James Howard Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4.0 code freeze scheduled for Jan 15th Message-ID: <20000107000527.A2900@mad> References: <20000106203816.A925@mad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from James Howard on Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 09:21:18PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 09:21:18PM -0500, James Howard wrote: > > > > After a year or so of reading these mailing lists, I have seen several > > > (many?) references to fairings. I have figured out they were once an > > > > There are no fairings. > > But what are fairings? Nobody can tell you what the fairings are...you have to see them for yourself. Message-id: 199801280506.VAA06145@implode.root.com in freebsd-hackers Above all else: don't expect fairings. [The Matrix?] -- Signature withheld by request of author. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 6 22:13:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from norn.ca.eu.org (cr965240-b.abtsfd1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.19.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B716B14D10 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:13:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cpiazza@norn.ca.eu.org) Received: by norn.ca.eu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 41CD6191; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:13:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:13:23 -0800 From: Chris Piazza To: Mark Ovens Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Opera Beta and FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000106221141.C1526@norn.ca.eu.org> References: <000d01bf56fa$cc7510a0$7f3eb4d0@tcac.net> <20000104141208.B379@norn.ca.eu.org> <20000105093611.A29239@myhakas.matti.ee> <20000104234857.A393@norn.ca.eu.org> <20000106235808.D326@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000106235808.D326@marder-1>; from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org on Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 11:58:08PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 11:58:08PM +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: > > http://www.opera.com/linux/index.html#faq states that the hope to > support FreeBSD with a native version :) > > "In most cases, we simply need to recompile for > each platform and create a native package for release....." > > BTW, since this needs glibc-2.1 (which I've installed and it replaced > most (all?) of the 2.0.7 files yet everything Linux still works) is there any > reason why linux_base can't be updated to include it, instead of > glibc-2.0.7?? > > Maybe I should deinstall it, edit the Makefile, re-build, and if it > works then submit a PR? Update your ports. linux_base was recently updated to match redhat-6.1 (glibc 2.1). -Chris -- cpiazza@jaxon.net cpiazza@FreeBSD.org Abbotsford, BC, Canada To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 7 1:28: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mout0.01019freenet.de (mout0.01019freenet.de [62.104.201.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE9F15611 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 01:27:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from [62.104.201.6] (helo=mx0.01019freenet.de) by mout0.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 126Vg5-0001K4-00; Fri, 07 Jan 2000 10:27:25 +0100 Received: from [212.81.229.52] (helo=jules.elischer.org) by mx0.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 126Vg4-0005sq-00; Fri, 07 Jan 2000 10:27:25 +0100 Message-ID: <3875B171.41C67EA6@elischer.org> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 01:27:13 -0800 From: Julian Elischer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Vanderhoek Cc: James Howard , Bakul Shah , Darren Reed , Yoshinobu Inoue , louie@TransSys.COM, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0 code freeze scheduled for Jan 15th References: <200001061328.IAA11896@chai.torrentnet.com> <20000106203816.A925@mad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 01:59:51PM -0500, James Howard wrote: > > > > After a year or so of reading these mailing lists, I have seen several > > (many?) references to fairings. I have figured out they were once an > > There are no fairings. expect no fairings > > -- > Signature withheld by request of author. -- +------------------------------------+ | __--_|\ Julian Elischer | | / \ julian@elischer.org +----presently near Koln | ( OZ ) World tour 2000 +- X_.---._/ presently in: Germany v To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 7 4:41:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from tomts3-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts3.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97E7156C1 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 04:41:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost.nowhere ([206.172.235.234]) by tomts3-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.07 201-229-116-107) with ESMTP id <20000107124104.TSAI627.tomts3-srv.bellnexxia.net@localhost.nowhere>; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 07:41:04 -0500 Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id HAA07449; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 07:41:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tim) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 07:41:00 -0500 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Julian Elischer Cc: James Howard , Bakul Shah , Darren Reed , Yoshinobu Inoue , louie@TransSys.COM, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0 code freeze scheduled for Jan 15th Message-ID: <20000107074100.C2900@mad> References: <200001061328.IAA11896@chai.torrentnet.com> <20000106203816.A925@mad> <3875B171.41C67EA6@elischer.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <3875B171.41C67EA6@elischer.org>; from Julian Elischer on Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 01:27:13AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 01:27:13AM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > > There are no fairings. > > expect no fairings Particularly relevent as we once again enter the winter season and another release is upon us. Fairings are what you don't get if you want IPv6. Fairings are what Karl got (recently). Fairings are wind protection. -- Signature withheld by request of author. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 7 7:39:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037991522B for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 07:39:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r25.bfm.org [216.127.220.121]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 09:39:04 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000107093950.009b2e00@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 09:39:50 -0600 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: 4.0 code freeze scheduled for Jan 15th In-Reply-To: References: <20000106203816.A925@mad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 21:21 06-01-2000 -0500, James Howard wrote: >But what are fairings? A FreeBSD-specific fairi(ngs) tale. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 7 8:37:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C8B1581F for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:37:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mothra.ecs.csus.edu [130.86.76.220]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA31113; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:36:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Message-ID: <387615F6.CCE904E6@owp.csus.edu> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 16:36:06 +0000 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Piazza Cc: Mark Ovens , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Opera Beta and FreeBSD References: <000d01bf56fa$cc7510a0$7f3eb4d0@tcac.net> <20000104141208.B379@norn.ca.eu.org> <20000105093611.A29239@myhakas.matti.ee> <20000104234857.A393@norn.ca.eu.org> <20000106235808.D326@marder-1> <20000106221141.C1526@norn.ca.eu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris Piazza wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 11:58:08PM +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: > > > > http://www.opera.com/linux/index.html#faq states that the hope to > > support FreeBSD with a native version :) > > > > "In most cases, we simply need to recompile for > > each platform and create a native package for release....." > > > > BTW, since this needs glibc-2.1 (which I've installed and it replaced > > most (all?) of the 2.0.7 files yet everything Linux still works) is there any > > reason why linux_base can't be updated to include it, instead of > > glibc-2.0.7?? > > > > Maybe I should deinstall it, edit the Makefile, re-build, and if it > > works then submit a PR? > > Update your ports. linux_base was recently updated to match redhat-6.1 > (glibc 2.1). Does this allow the Adobe Frame Maker for Linux to work also? -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 7 9:42:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ED3D215813 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 09:42:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 24054 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2000 17:42:35 -0000 Received: from userai17.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) (62.188.133.47) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2000 17:42:35 -0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00834; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 17:42:27 GMT (envelope-from mark) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 17:42:26 +0000 From: Mark Ovens To: Chris Piazza Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Opera Beta and FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000107174226.A327@marder-1> References: <000d01bf56fa$cc7510a0$7f3eb4d0@tcac.net> <20000104141208.B379@norn.ca.eu.org> <20000105093611.A29239@myhakas.matti.ee> <20000104234857.A393@norn.ca.eu.org> <20000106235808.D326@marder-1> <20000106221141.C1526@norn.ca.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <20000106221141.C1526@norn.ca.eu.org> Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 10:13:23PM -0800, Chris Piazza wrote: > On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 11:58:08PM +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: > > > > http://www.opera.com/linux/index.html#faq states that the hope to > > support FreeBSD with a native version :) > > > > "In most cases, we simply need to recompile for > > each platform and create a native package for release....." > > > > BTW, since this needs glibc-2.1 (which I've installed and it replaced > > most (all?) of the 2.0.7 files yet everything Linux still works) is there any > > reason why linux_base can't be updated to include it, instead of > > glibc-2.0.7?? > > > > Maybe I should deinstall it, edit the Makefile, re-build, and if it > > works then submit a PR? > > Update your ports. linux_base was recently updated to match redhat-6.1 > (glibc 2.1). > Must have been very recently. I last cvsup'd New Years Day. Thanks for the pointer though. > -Chris > -- > cpiazza@jaxon.net cpiazza@FreeBSD.org > Abbotsford, BC, Canada -- "there's a long-standing bug relating to the x86 architecture that allows you to install Windows too" -Matthew D. Fuller ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 7 11:18: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5CD1575B for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:18:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02341; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:16:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:16:41 -0500 (EST) From: Brett Taylor To: Joseph Scott Cc: Chris Piazza , Mark Ovens , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Adobe FrameMaker (was Re: Opera Beta and FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: <387615F6.CCE904E6@owp.csus.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, Joseph Scott wrote: > Does this allow the Adobe Frame Maker for Linux to work also? Hi Joseph - the short answer is yes. I too (as you may recall) was having trouble getting FrameMaker running before. I updated linux_base and now it runs fine. I haven't installed the license yet, but the demo starts up now just by running the maker script. Recall you need to do a: setenv FMARCH linuxm.glibc2.i386 (assuming you're using a csh type shell) before starting it. Enjoy! Brett ***************************************************** Dr. Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics * Walker 234 (540) 831-5410 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 7 11:33:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616FC14CC1 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:33:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mothra.ecs.csus.edu [130.86.76.220]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00700; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:31:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Message-ID: <38763F1B.F6913400@owp.csus.edu> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 19:31:39 +0000 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brett Taylor Cc: Chris Piazza , Mark Ovens , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adobe FrameMaker (was Re: Opera Beta and FreeBSD) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Taylor wrote: > > Hi > > On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, Joseph Scott wrote: > > > Does this allow the Adobe Frame Maker for Linux to work also? > > Hi Joseph - the short answer is yes. I too (as you may recall) was having > trouble getting FrameMaker running before. I updated linux_base and now > it runs fine. I haven't installed the license yet, but the demo starts up > now just by running the maker script. Recall you need to do a: > > setenv FMARCH linuxm.glibc2.i386 > > (assuming you're using a csh type shell) before starting it. I cvsup'd the latest ports collection, but when I go to build linux_base from the ports it dies with : ===> linux_base-6.1 depends on executable: rpm - found setup-2.0.5-1.noarch.rpm /etc/profile conflicts with file from setup-1.9.2-1 /etc/protocols conflicts with file from setup-1.9.2-1 /etc/services conflicts with file from setup-1.9.2-1 error: /usr/ports/distfiles/rpm/setup-2.0.5-1.noarch.rpm cannot be installed *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. This is on a -STABLE box. -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 7 13: 3: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2EF14F65 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:02:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03344; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:02:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:02:52 -0500 (EST) From: Brett Taylor To: Joseph Scott Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adobe FrameMaker (was Re: Opera Beta and FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: <38763F1B.F6913400@owp.csus.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Joseph, (cc list trimmed) On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, Joseph Scott wrote: > I cvsup'd the latest ports collection, but when I go to build > linux_base from the ports it dies with : > > ===> linux_base-6.1 depends on executable: rpm - found > setup-2.0.5-1.noarch.rpm > /etc/profile conflicts with file from setup-1.9.2-1 > /etc/protocols conflicts with file from setup-1.9.2-1 > /etc/services conflicts with file from setup-1.9.2-1 Have you pkg_delete'd the old linux_base? It seems like the current install might be finding old stuff. Brett ***************************************************** Dr. Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics * Walker 234 (540) 831-5410 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 7 16:11:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEFDF15174 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:11:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25701 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 19:15:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <200001080015.TAA25701@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Book Authorship Solicitation To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 19:15:40 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Did anyone else get an unsolicited email from a Neil Rowe from Macmillan Computer Publishing asking if you wanted to be part of writing a FreeBSD book? I have no idea who this guy is. Did they look for people who answer questions in -questions or something? How many people got this? BTW, Nothing in the mail set off any spoof alarms. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 7 16:45:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFD114FC7 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:45:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mothra.ecs.csus.edu [130.86.76.220]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02521; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:45:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Message-ID: <387688AC.BDCD4383@owp.csus.edu> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 16:45:32 -0800 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brett Taylor Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adobe FrameMaker for Linux References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Taylor wrote: > > > I cvsup'd the latest ports collection, but when I go to build > > linux_base from the ports it dies with : > > > > ===> linux_base-6.1 depends on executable: rpm - found > > setup-2.0.5-1.noarch.rpm > > /etc/profile conflicts with file from setup-1.9.2-1 > > /etc/protocols conflicts with file from setup-1.9.2-1 > > /etc/services conflicts with file from setup-1.9.2-1 > > Have you pkg_delete'd the old linux_base? It seems like the current > install might be finding old stuff. Ok, I've got linux_base-6.1 installed. You were right, I did a pkg_delete -f linux_base-5.1 and then the 6.1 build worked. I fired up the demo and it starts up, then the button window ( with "Open", "News", etc ) just sits there. I can't actually do anything with it :-( Whenever I run my mouse over that window I get the little hourglass mouse cursor. This is on a -STABLE box, are you running -STABLE or -CURRENT? -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 7 17:40:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164FC150EF; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 17:40:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09145; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 18:39:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAmcayTr; Fri Jan 7 18:39:28 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA22355; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 18:39:22 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200001080139.SAA22355@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Names (was: cvs commit: src/share/colldef cs_CZ.ISO_8859-2.src Makefile) To: mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (Mark Ovens) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 01:39:22 +0000 (GMT) Cc: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey), phk@critter.freebsd.dk (Poul-Henning Kamp), asmodai@bart.nl (Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven), mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray), ache@FreeBSD.ORG (Andrey A. Chernov), chat@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Chat) In-Reply-To: <19991222233729.H322@marder-1> from "Mark Ovens" at Dec 22, 1999 11:37:29 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Can you clarify what you mean Greg? Is Poul-Henning not a > "double-barrelled" forename, like Jean-Paul (French), or Ann-Marie? > Thinking about it, it seems only female names are treated like this in > English. John-Boy Walton and Billy-Bob Thornton are examples of English names that meet your criteria. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 7 20:15:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from msk1.mail.ru (mx1.mail.ru [194.67.23.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E077D150BA for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 20:15:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kabaev@mail.ru) Received: from h0050da20495b.ne.mediaone.net ([24.218.93.188] helo=kan.ne.mediaone.net) by msk1.mail.ru with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #116) id 126nNt-0009cf-00 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2000 07:21:49 +0300 Received: (from kan@localhost) by kan.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04157 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 23:15:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kan) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 23:15:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Alexander N. Kabaev" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: FreeVSD - http://www.freevsd.org/ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Check out http://www.freevsd.org/ I wonder what did they think when they were deciding on their project name? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 7 20:20:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57C115784 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 20:20:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from workhorse (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05868; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 21:20:31 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000107211913.01c5d580@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 21:20:32 -0700 To: "Alexander N. Kabaev" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: FreeVSD - http://www.freevsd.org/ Cc: jkh@cdrom.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't know, but *I* think that this is definitely trademark infringement. As Iliad says, FreeBSD "Is not Linux... Is not Linux..." --Brett Glass At 09:15 PM 1/7/2000 , Alexander N. Kabaev wrote: >Check out http://www.freevsd.org/ > >I wonder what did they think when they were deciding on their project name? > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 8 1:15:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F2D14EBB for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 01:15:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id TAA09705; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:45:39 +1030 (CST) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:45:39 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: cjclark@home.com Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Book Authorship Solicitation Message-ID: <20000108194538.I68229@freebie.lemis.com> References: <200001080015.TAA25701@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <200001080015.TAA25701@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 7 January 2000 at 19:15:40 -0500, Crist J. Clark wrote: > Did anyone else get an unsolicited email from a Neil Rowe from > Macmillan Computer Publishing asking if you wanted to be part of > writing a FreeBSD book? > > I have no idea who this guy is. Did they look for people who answer > questions in -questions or something? How many people got this? I haven't seen anything. But I know Macmillan is looking for authors, and I'd take him seriously. If anybody *is* thinking of writing a book, contact me privately. There are a number of issues to consider. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 8 2: 7:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [209.249.56.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA8D1512E for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 02:07:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16316 for chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 02:07:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 02:07:44 -0800 From: Josef Grosch To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: January San Francisco BAFUG Meeting Message-ID: <20000108020744.A16304@mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -- San Francisco BAFUG -- (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) January 2000 Meeting The San Francisco chapter of the Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group (BAFUG) will be holding its monthly meeting on Thursday, January 13th. This month's meeting will be held at Whistle's corp. office in Foster City. The meeting will start at 7:30 pm. Agenda : ==> Our speaker is TBD ==> Josef Grosch and Nicole Harrington will talk about BAFUG's plans for the Install-A-Thon at the Transbay in Berkeley on January 15th. ==> Pizza and Soda will be ordered and the hat will be passed `round ==> Of course, we will have the usually kvetchen about sundry topics Location : This months meeting will be held at Whistle Communications. Whistle is located at 110 Marsh Dr. in Foster City. There is plenty parking in their lot. Time : The meeting starts at 7:30ish with pizza showing up around 7:15ish. We generally get kicked out around 11:00 pm. Directions : By CalTrain : Exit at the downtown San Mateo station, and walk several miles east on Third Avenue to the Marsh Drive intersection. Alternatively, exit at the Bay Meadows station and take the SanTrans Route 251 Hillsdale - Foster City bus to the Bridgepoint Shopping Center stop and walk 1/4 mile north on Mariner's Island Blvd. to Third Avenue, turning right one block to Marsh Drive. By SamTrans : The Route 251 Hillsdale - Foster City bus line's Bridgepoint Shopping Center terminus is a few blocks from Whistle Communications. By Car : From the South Bay and Peninsula : Take 101 North towards San Francisco, From US-101 northbound, take CA-92 eastbound a mile to the Foster City Blvd., turning left (east) at the end of the ramp onto Metro Center Blvd. Go about a block and turn left (north-east) onto Foster City Blvd. Go about five blocks to the street's end, turning left (north) onto Third Avenue. Go about a block to turn left (west) at the first traffic light, onto Marsh Drive. Immediately turn left into the Whistle parking lot. From the East Bay : From CA-92/Hayward, cross the San Mateo Bridge and take the first exit Foster City Blvd., curving right at the end of the ramp to a left (north-east) turn onto Foster City Blvd. Then process as described above for US-101 northbound. From the North Bay and San Francisco : From US-101 southbound, exit eastbound onto Third Avenue proceeding several miles, past the Mariner's Island Blvd. intersection, to turn right (west) onto Marsh Drive. Immediately turn left into the Whistle parking lot. WWW info : More info can be found at the following URLs Whistle Communications - http://www.whistle.com BAFUG - http://www.bafug.org Contact : Please contact either Nicole Harrington or Josef Grosch on or before January 15th so we can have a basic idea of how much pizza, soda, and coffee we will need. -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 3.4 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 8 4:55: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.gfit.net (ns.gfit.net [209.41.124.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB1CF14CF1 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 04:55:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Received: from PARANOR (timembt.iinc.com [206.67.169.229]) by mercury.gfit.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA02410; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 07:02:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000108075449.015f6168@mail.embt.com> X-Sender: tembt@mail.embt.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 07:54:49 -0500 To: cjclark@home.com From: Tom Embt Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200001061527.KAA19932@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20000106081108.015a8e68@mail.embt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [snip] >> > >> >ITYM, "Armageddon." And I thought it was at, >> > >> >% date -ur 2147483647 >> >Tue Jan 19 03:14:07 GMT 2038 >> >-- >> >Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com >> > >> >> It would be Armageddon for ankone who is still using a 32bit OS at that >> time, otherwise it's just a big "rollover" when we start using the next >> bit. At least, it sounds good to me.. > >Being a 32-bit OS really has nothing directly to do with it. You can >easily write code to handle arbitrarily large numbers. The origin of a >32-bit counter is the same as the mythical Y2k bug. Thirty-two bits >seemed big enough at the time (almost 70 years after all), memory was >at a premium, and it was just kinda convenient. > >What it takes to fix this is that every program that assumes time_t >to be a four-byte int needs to be fixed so that it makes no >assumptions about time_t other than it is an integer-type. Once that >is done, a 32-bit, 64-bit, 16-bit, or 12-bit OS will all be happy with >a counter of whatever size we want. Quite right. I mis-thought. >> BTW, I *think* it would be 2^31-1 not 2^31. For example, doesn't a char >> store values from -128 to 127 ? > >Yes and yes. But, > > ( (2^31 - 1) == 2147483647 ) > >That is what I had. And just for date(1) trivia buffs, note that, > >% date -ur -2147483648 >Fri Dec 13 20:45:52 GMT 1901 >-- >Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com > > Now here I'm having a problem. I can't seem to figure out how I came up with the 3:14:06 time. Maybe I just mistyped something. Cheers, Tom Embt tom@embt.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 8 8:10:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from tor-dev1.nbc.netcom.ca (tor-dev1.nbc.netcom.ca [207.181.89.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8AC14E41 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 08:10:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from taob@tor-dev1.nbc.netcom.ca) Received: by tor-dev1.nbc.netcom.ca (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA24476; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:10:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:10:29 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao X-Sender: taob@tor-dev1.nbc.netcom.ca To: FREEBSD-CHAT Subject: Seattle eats Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Any Seattle natives (or ex-natives) care to suggest good and interesting sushi and dim sum places in the city? I thought the LISA '99 site might suggest something, but I don't see anything about it on the SAGE pages. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 8 9:44:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E637E14D76 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 09:44:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA87384; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 12:44:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 12:44:18 -0500 (EST) From: Brett Taylor To: Joseph Scott Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adobe FrameMaker for Linux In-Reply-To: <387688AC.BDCD4383@owp.csus.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Joseph, On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, Joseph Scott wrote: > Ok, I've got linux_base-6.1 installed. You were right, I did a > pkg_delete -f linux_base-5.1 and then the 6.1 build worked. > > I fired up the demo and it starts up, then the button window ( > with "Open", "News", etc ) just sits there. I can't actually do > anything with it :-( Whenever I run my mouse over that window I get > the little hourglass mouse cursor. There was an introductory tutorial thing if your license isn't installed and I imagine that's what is trying to be displayed. It took awhile for it to come up on my machine, but it did eventually come up. Try installing the license and see what happens. I'm running STABLE btw - just made world 2 days ago. Brett ***************************************************** Dr. Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics * Walker 234 (540) 831-5410 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 8 13:28: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ind.alcatel.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC8414EDC; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 13:28:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com (mailhub [198.206.181.70]) by ind.alcatel.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (ind.alcatel.com 3.0 [OUT])) with SMTP id NAA02752; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 13:28:01 -0800 (PST) X-Origination-Site: Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id NAA06810; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 13:28:01 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.39]) by omni.xylan.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (Xylan engr [SPOOL])) with ESMTP id NAA28716; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 13:26:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3877ACA9.9719C8EA@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 14:31:21 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Cc: Michael Lucas , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: article on 4.0 References: <200001071514.KAA17803@blackhelicopters.org> <38769B00.7A6DE354@softweyr.com> <20000108115749.B47712@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton wrote: > > [ FU -chat ] > > On Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 07:03:44PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > > > *scads of device drivers (yes, scads *is* a technical term) > > > > I believe the correct technical term here would be a "buttload." > > Metric buttload or Imperial buttload? We've standardized on the ANSI/ISO buttload to avoid confusion, and conversion errors. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 8 14:57:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.ham.muohio.edu (dragon.ham.muohio.edu [134.53.141.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75ADE14A25; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 14:57:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by dragon.ham.muohio.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23962; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 18:03:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dragon.ham.muohio.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 18:03:43 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Howard X-Sender: howardjp@dragon.ham.muohio.edu To: Wes Peters Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Michael Lucas , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: article on 4.0 In-Reply-To: <3877ACA9.9719C8EA@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Wes Peters wrote: > We've standardized on the ANSI/ISO buttload to avoid confusion, and > conversion errors. Did you remember to tell the engineers at NASA and Lockheed-Martin? Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 8 15: 6: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from relax.dreamfire.net (relax.dreamfire.net [207.113.154.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 561B814A25 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:06:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sean@dreamfire.net) Received: from dreamfire.net (indigo [192.168.10.8]) by relax.dreamfire.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B5963 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:06:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3877C2DB.ECF91EA5@dreamfire.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 15:06:03 -0800 From: Sean-Paul Rees Organization: The Dreamfire Solutions Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: NetBSD Features page Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org NetBSD just added a features page to their site. It details some of the new and cool features of NetBSD, like the "High Performance PCI IDE" and their new VM subsystem, UVM. Does FreeBSD have an equivalent page? High performance PCI IDE got my attention, I haven't got FreeBSD installed on a machine with IDE. I'm planning to install a -CURRENT snap on one shortly, and I heard that our IDE support wasn't superhot, if you know what I mean. Has this changed in -CURRENT? (Was it superhot in the first place, and I've just been misinformed?) I rather like their layout... Cheers, Sean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 8 15: 7:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.gfit.net (ns.gfit.net [209.41.124.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F2715069 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:07:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Received: from PARANOR (timembt.iinc.com [206.67.169.229]) by mercury.gfit.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA14512 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 17:15:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000108180710.01615280@mail.embt.com> X-Sender: tembt@mail.embt.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 18:07:10 -0500 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Tom Embt Subject: Re: Names (was: cvs commit: src/share/colldef cs_CZ.ISO_8859-2.src Makefile) In-Reply-To: <200001080139.SAA22355@usr09.primenet.com> References: <19991222233729.H322@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:39 01/08/2000 +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: >> Can you clarify what you mean Greg? Is Poul-Henning not a >> "double-barrelled" forename, like Jean-Paul (French), or Ann-Marie? >> Thinking about it, it seems only female names are treated like this in >> English. > >John-Boy Walton and Billy-Bob Thornton are examples of English >names that meet your criteria. 8-). > Joe-Bob Briggs? Tom Embt tom@embt.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 8 15:10:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 59F6514C8A; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:10:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED361CD625; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:10:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:10:49 -0800 (PST) From: Kris Kennaway To: Sean-Paul Rees Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NetBSD Features page In-Reply-To: <3877C2DB.ECF91EA5@dreamfire.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Sean-Paul Rees wrote: > NetBSD just added a features page to their site. It details some of the > new and cool features of NetBSD, like the "High Performance PCI IDE" and > their new VM subsystem, UVM. Does FreeBSD have an equivalent page? Not really - it would probably be a good thing, especially at release-time to figure out what the heck the new version HAS > High performance PCI IDE got my attention, I haven't got FreeBSD > installed on a machine with IDE. I'm planning to install a -CURRENT snap > on one shortly, and I heard that our IDE support wasn't superhot, if you > know what I mean. Has this changed in -CURRENT? (Was it superhot in the > first place, and I've just been misinformed?) -current has a superhot new ATA driver which will be present in 4.0 which is just around the corner. There are still a few corners being ironed out of the driver, but it should be pretty good by the time of the release Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 8 19:51:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.25.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C555514F94; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:51:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de) Received: from fettesau.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (stuwopc5.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.209.5]) by mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA07841; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 04:51:32 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <4.1.20000109040233.00c481a0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> Message-Id: <4.1.20000109040233.00c481a0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> X-Sender: ohoyer@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 04:31:18 +0100 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Olaf Hoyer Subject: German FreeBSD and advocacy Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org cc: to -chat and -advocacy, please trim adresses when responding Hi! Well, I am a kinda "newbie" to FreeBSD, although I have several experience with other OS and the fuss around that. And as a student (engineer with telecommunication/network stuff) I also will have to deal with serious OS in the future. OK: I want to do two things: Contribute something to a project that is in my eyes worth being pushed, and as a student, to earn some money and experience/knowledge/reputation for my studies and later job. (Please forgive me for using Microshit products, but my whole emailing resides also for some compatibility/archiving (about 8000 mails) reasons for years on it. If someone could recommend a product like Eudora Pro for FreeBSD, I'd be happy ;-) ) Ok: My idea was to do some work in the advocacy field regarding germany, and contributing to the documentation (translating/working on handbook and howtos, perhaps a pile/booklet of manpages came to my mind), as my spare time will allow. In addition, to pick up the thread where the worthiness of a product was discussed, there was made the remark, that dealer became interested in selling Linux, because it moved from hacker status/experimental to an accepted, documented, and, most important: Pre-packaged bundle with an actually existing support from the distributors like Suse or RedHat. So they had only to order a package, put it on the shelf and sell it- no questions asked... And the customer (especially in germany) believes, that things, that go for free or almost nothing, are not that valuable. Also, the availability of FreeBSd in the stores here is quite bad, and when they finally order it (from Walnut creek), it is quite expensive. Example: I bought my 3.2 R CD set in Kiel, a city of 300.000, capital of the state. the book store, which also specialized on lots of Unix/Linux titles told me, yes they can supply me with that, but it would last 10 days, they have to order. Ok, the 4 CD set without handbook was 69 DM, with handbook it was 129 DM. (2 DM~1 U$) The same store sold actual Suse Linux for 69 DM (recommended price is 99= DM). Suse sells to retail people for about 40/50 DM, so there is much money in= it. Thought was to do something with a german booklet, a nice and snappy packaging, so that it can compete against a big Linux package sitting next to it on the shelf. Of course, here has to be done some work/research with walnut creek, as they are doing some business also with that, inhowfar one could come together on that issue. I'll be happy about any thoughts and input, especially regarding licensing/legal issues, esp. regarding copying/distribution of CD sets. Regards Olaf Hoyer - - - - - - - -=20 Olaf Hoyer ICQ: 22838075 mailto: Olaf.Hoyer@nightfire.de home: www.nightfire.de (The home of the burning CPU) Wer mit Ungeheuern k=E4mpft, mag zusehn,=20 da=DF er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund=20 auch in dich hinein. (Friedrich Nietzsche, Jenseits von Gut und B=F6se) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 8 19:52:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mls.gtonet.net (mls.gtonet.net [216.112.90.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D80F5150E8; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:52:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) Received: from pld (holeyman@pld.gtonet.net [216.112.90.200]) by mls.gtonet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA70841; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:52:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) From: "FreeBSD" To: , , Subject: RE: load spike strangeness Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:52:16 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200001090308.EAA79415@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Oliver Fromme > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2000 7:08 PM > To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: load spike strangeness > > > FreeBSD wrote in list.freebsd-stable: > >> FreeBSD wrote in list.freebsd-stable: > >> > Overclocking is *NEVER* recommended > >> > >> Neither is posting anonymously (without a realname). > > > > Since when does an E-mail address require a "realname"? > > It is not required, but it is a matter of good practice, > politeness, and netiquette. It's a matter of being taken > serious, and of encouraging people to communicate. This > is not a security issue at all. Suggesting people use their real names in mailing lists, seems like a security issue to me, while it's not an exploit, it's not safe or smart (again IMHO). > > > become required, I'd prefer to "unsubscribe" than to give that > info out, as > > would any other intelligent person. I suggest you check your > e-mail security > > information again before babbling nonsense. > > That's ridiculous. You're making a fool of yourself. You are entitled to your opinion. > > You will not receive less spam when hiding your real name. > And using a real name does not prevent you from creating a > new account, if you think that's necessary. No but it does help in preventing identity theft, however little. > > > Do > > you also use you real full name on IRC? > > Yes, I do. For 5 years. And there is no reason to hide it. > (I'm not a criminal who has to hide from the police or > something like that.) > > > "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" > > While I'm at it: I don't like that quote either. :-) > > Goodbye > Oliver > I really don't care if you like it. I'd suggest not quoting it then. Are you now the sig police? There are plenty of quotes I don't care for, but I'm not whining about it. I might suggest taking this off the lists if all you plan to do is flame. FreeBSD freebsd@gtonet.net "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 8 19:54: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9976A1527C; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:54:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from workhorse (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18525; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 20:53:52 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000108205232.01a37b60@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 20:53:52 -0700 To: Wes Peters , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: article on 4.0 Cc: Michael Lucas , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3877ACA9.9719C8EA@softweyr.com> References: <200001071514.KAA17803@blackhelicopters.org> <38769B00.7A6DE354@softweyr.com> <20000108115749.B47712@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:31 PM 1/8/2000 , Wes Peters wrote: >Nik Clayton wrote: > > > > [ FU -chat ] > > > > On Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 07:03:44PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > > > > *scads of device drivers (yes, scads *is* a technical term) > > > > > > I believe the correct technical term here would be a "buttload." > > > > Metric buttload or Imperial buttload? > >We've standardized on the ANSI/ISO buttload to avoid confusion, and >conversion errors. That's good. I'd hate to see anyone's butt burned up during re-entry. ;-) --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 8 21:41:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9F114C1B for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 21:41:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA87813; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 06:41:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 06:41:18 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200001090541.GAA87813@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: load spike strangeness X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat In-Reply-To: <859123$1c9d$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.4-19991219-STABLE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD wrote in list.freebsd-chat: >> FreeBSD wrote in list.freebsd-stable: >> >> FreeBSD wrote in list.freebsd-stable: >> >> > Overclocking is *NEVER* recommended >> >> >> >> Neither is posting anonymously (without a realname). >> > >> > Since when does an E-mail address require a "realname"? >> >> It is not required, but it is a matter of good practice, >> politeness, and netiquette. It's a matter of being taken >> serious, and of encouraging people to communicate. This >> is not a security issue at all. > > Suggesting people use their real names in mailing lists, seems like a > security issue to me, while it's not an exploit, it's not safe or smart > (again IMHO). You have yet to explain why. >> You will not receive less spam when hiding your real name. >> And using a real name does not prevent you from creating a >> new account, if you think that's necessary. > > No but it does help in preventing identity theft, however little. Identity theft?!? I'll better not comment on that, because I think I'm unable to put it into words that would not sound like flaming. I'm certainly not trying to flame. I only said that posting anonymously is not recommended, which is a truth (you _did_ read the netiquette, did you?). And 99% of the posters get it right, obviously. Of course you can do what you want. But still, it's not right, IMO. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 8 23:30:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from penelope.skunk.org (penelope.skunk.org [208.133.204.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A20815148 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:30:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben@penelope.skunk.org) Received: from localhost (ben@localhost) by penelope.skunk.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA87968; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 02:41:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 02:41:51 -0500 (EST) From: Ben Rosengart To: FreeBSD Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: load spike strangeness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [-stable and -current trimmed] Please, people, can't we just respect each other's choice to reveal our names or not, and get on with our lives? This debate seems foolish to me -- I didn't see Mr. Anonymous demanding commit privileges, so the argument that his real name would get him taken more seriously is kind of bogus. (BTW, Mr. A., I think your sig is flame bait, and contrary to the spirit of friendly competition that the project leaders have done so much work to promote.) -- Ben Rosengart UNIX Systems Engineer, Skunk Group StarMedia Network, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message