From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 16 6:30:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4510C37B654 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 06:30:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id PAA28056 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:30:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA83809 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:39:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/contrib/tcsh - Imported sources Date: 16 Apr 2000 13:39:42 +0200 Message-ID: <8dc8pu$2hqj$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> References: <200004150441.VAA23755@freefall.freebsd.org> <8dap2t$1ome$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000416133021.P3179@welearn.com.au> <38F951D1.8062FDF2@gorean.org> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Since I was the one to bring this discussion to -chat... Doug Barton wrote: > Because that's what -arch is for. Big ticket decisions that affect the > architecture of the base system. Whether to replace csh with tcsh is hardly a big architectural decision. > [...] In any case, -chat is certainly NOT the place for this kind > of discussion. -arch is certainly not the place for religious wars. That thread in its pointless entirety which included add-nauseum repetition of arguments and clueless posturing (I'm thinking specifically of Rodney here who could at least have checked tcsh's man page before pontificating about incompatibilities) has devalued -arch to the point where it's just another version of -current and -hackers. > Both because -chat is highly optional, and therefore decision > makers could easily miss it, and because -chat's charter specifies, > "Non-technical items." As far as I can tell, the decision already has been made. tcsh *has* been imported into the base system, csh *has* been made available as a port. Only the removal of csh from the base system and the actual switch hasn't been performed yet. Also, my sentiment why I don't like tcsh's inclusion, and which was echoed here, is not a technical one. Sue's comment was right on target. It's quite clear that David O'Brien pushed for the inclusion of his personal favorite. BTW, I'm unclear as to -arch's status. Is it moderated, committers only, or generally open? -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message