From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Sep 3 3:50:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from relay1.inwind.it (relay1.inwind.it [212.141.53.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C510E37B423 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 03:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bartequi.ottodomain.org (212.141.78.83) by relay1.inwind.it (5.1.046) id 39AFDC99000381CC; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:49:47 +0200 From: Salvo Bartolotta Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 11:49:47 GMT Message-ID: <20000903.11494700@bartequi.ottodomain.org> Subject: Re: FW: 4.1-STABLE BOOT SLICE PROBLEM To: Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <000201c01558$78871d40$0101a8c0@noproblem.net> References: <000201c01558$78871d40$0101a8c0@noproblem.net> X-Mailer: SuperCalifragilis X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ redirected to -chat ] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 9/3/00, 4:38:48 AM, "Thomas Beauchamp" wrote=20 regarding FW: 4.1-STABLE BOOT SLICE PROBLEM: > Hi Siegbert, > Thank you for your comments. > I wonder why this terminology trouble has not been ironed out yet, as = if > things were not confused enough ... > Thomas Hello Thomas, If you think about it, you 'll find the [Free]BSD way clear, flexible=20 and rational. A "slice" (=3Dpartition in DOS/Winblows parlance) may be further=20 subdivided: you can have up to 8 subdivisions (=3Dpartitions in FreeBSD = parlance), or up to 16 subdivisions (under OpenBSD). This method is much more flexible than, say, M$'s: e.g. I have been=20 able to make some *BSD systems coexist on my workstation -- otherwise,=20 I would have run out of "partitions" (in M$'s sense) :-) Best regards, Salvo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Sep 3 6:21:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bart.callnet0800.com (bart.callnet0800.com [212.67.128.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D04437B424 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 06:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.4unet.co.uk [212.67.128.143] by bart.callnet0800.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A0FA8D930134; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 14:24:10 +0100 Received: from James [212.67.147.121] by smtp.4unet.co.uk (SMTPD32-5.05) id A05A581800A8; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 14:21:30 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Thomas Beauchamp" To: "Salvo Bartolotta" Cc: Subject: RE: 4.1-STABLE BOOT SLICE PROBLEM Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:21:26 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01c015a9$dd04a7a0$0101a8c0@noproblem.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000903.11494700@bartequi.ottodomain.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Salvo, "clear, flexible and rational" Your are right, as long as people stick to the terminology and do not start saying 2I know that this should be called a partition but here after I'll call it a slice..." or vice-versa ... Thank you too for the etymology ... ^_^ Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Salvo Bartolotta [mailto:bartequi@inwind.it] Sent: 03 September 2000 12:50 To: thomas@noproblem.net Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: 4.1-STABLE BOOT SLICE PROBLEM [ redirected to -chat ] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 9/3/00, 4:38:48 AM, "Thomas Beauchamp" wrote regarding FW: 4.1-STABLE BOOT SLICE PROBLEM: > Hi Siegbert, > Thank you for your comments. > I wonder why this terminology trouble has not been ironed out yet, as if > things were not confused enough ... > Thomas Hello Thomas, If you think about it, you 'll find the [Free]BSD way clear, flexible and rational. A "slice" (=partition in DOS/Winblows parlance) may be further subdivided: you can have up to 8 subdivisions (=partitions in FreeBSD parlance), or up to 16 subdivisions (under OpenBSD). This method is much more flexible than, say, M$'s: e.g. I have been able to make some *BSD systems coexist on my workstation -- otherwise, I would have run out of "partitions" (in M$'s sense) :-) Best regards, Salvo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 4 5:36:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fling.sanbi.ac.za (fling.sanbi.ac.za [196.38.142.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C7A437B424 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 05:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from johann by fling.sanbi.ac.za with local (Exim 3.13 #4) id 13VvTm-00092J-00; Mon, 04 Sep 2000 14:36:02 +0200 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:36:02 +0200 From: Johann Visagie To: GH Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OSS, Sun, GPL, random ramblings Message-ID: <20000904143602.A29071@fling.sanbi.ac.za> References: <20000830000414.A56358@linkfast.net> <200008311541.IAA01995@usr06.primenet.com> <20000831160237.B79955@linkfast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000831160237.B79955@linkfast.net>; from grasshacker@linkfast.net on Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 04:02:37PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org GH on 2000-08-31 (Thu) at 16:02:37 -0500: > > I have tried looking into Zope, and I see what you mean about (lack of) > documentation. It took far too long just to find out what the heck it > is supposed to do. It may be Zope's single greatest failing that there is no simple - or short - answer to the question, "What is Zope?" :-) -- V To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 4 14:41:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D824837B424; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA67449; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:41:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:41:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Johann Visagie Cc: GH , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OSS, Sun, GPL, random ramblings In-Reply-To: <20000904143602.A29071@fling.sanbi.ac.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Johann Visagie wrote: > GH on 2000-08-31 (Thu) at 16:02:37 -0500: > > > > I have tried looking into Zope, and I see what you mean about (lack of) > > documentation. It took far too long just to find out what the heck it > > is supposed to do. > > It may be Zope's single greatest failing that there is no simple - or short - > answer to the question, "What is Zope?" :-) I had a hell of a time trying to write the recent zope security advisory for just this reason. In the end I just quoted what they themselves had to say about the security problem because I couldn't find enough context to really understand it :-) Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 5 7:41:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from neo.skynet.be (neo.skynet.be [195.238.2.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD3237B42C for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 07:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by neo.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122F76D39; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:40:57 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <14773.1158.657375.297666@onceler.kciLink.com> References: <14772.16607.870040.12214@kci.kciLink.com> <14773.1158.657375.297666@onceler.kciLink.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:41:01 +0200 To: Vivek Khera From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: affordable wireless Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [I'm taking this to FreeBSD-chat, since this doesn't really have anything to do with -STABLE anymore. -Brad] At 10:34 AM -0400 2000/9/5, Vivek Khera wrote: > I use it as a bridge to my wired ISDN router, and let the Airport do > the DHCP for all clients as well. Works like a charm and has never > needed to be rebooted since March when I got it. Cool! I'm looking forward to joining the club. BTW, does anyone know if the FreeBSD drivers for the WaveLAN cards have been ported to MacOS X yet? I'm itching to run the beta, but I won't bother until the driver support is there. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 5 11: 4:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81ED637B422 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish.my.domain ([62.253.85.6]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000905190344.FXTD3760.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@parish.my.domain> for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:03:44 +0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04069 for chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:04:37 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:04:36 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: emacs question Message-ID: <20000905190436.E254@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How do you show matching parentheses, braces, square brackets in emacs (the equivalent of ``%'' in vi(1))? The cursor jumps to the matching opening brace etc. when you add a closing brace, but that's not much use when you are cut 'n' pasting and end up with mis-matches. -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 5 11:17:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from apoq.skynet.be (apoq.skynet.be [195.238.2.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679D637B423 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by apoq.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D589398BF; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:17:51 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200009051734.e85HYBU18656@ptavv.es.net> References: <200009051734.e85HYBU18656@ptavv.es.net> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:16:11 +0200 To: "Kevin Oberman" From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: affordable wireless Cc: Vivek Khera , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Trying to take this to FreeBSD-Chat again, since this has nothing to do with -STABLE. -Brad] At 10:34 AM -0700 2000/9/5, Kevin Oberman wrote: > We can agree that the 40 bit stuff is not worth the trouble. My 128 > bit Lucent card says "128-bit RC-4 encryption". Last I heard, RC-4 was > not considered a "safe" algorithm. Looking at my card, I see that you are absolutely right -- it is 128-bit RC4. I am not personally aware of any security weaknesses in this algorithm, but I agree that it is not widely used, and I believe that is probably because it is not felt to be as secure as Triple-DES, CAST-128, or IDEA. > Also, in any multi-user environment, the secret must be too public. (I > believe that when I know something, it's secure. When I tell someone, > it's secret. When someone else is told, it's public.) True enough, but this is just one level of protection with these cards. The management stations also have a password to manage them, and that should obviously be different. So, you can use a shared password to be capable of accessing the network via the encrypted link, and a private password to manage the wireless hub itself. > Using an encrypted link is fine, but I worry that people will believe > far too much in its security. (Especially when they see "128-bit".) Well, it's better than nothing, which is what most people use. In fact, it's what I'm using right now, because I can't figure out how to get WaveLAN cards on PCs and WaveLAN cards on Macintosh and the AirPort with a WaveLAN card to all use the same password hashing scheme so that I can even use a shared password. ;-( > If I'm wrong and it is 3DES, never mind! But still use ssh whenever > possible. Agreed. Ssh is a Good Thing(tm). It should be used whenever possible. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 5 13:48:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ptd.net (mail2.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D865A37B424 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14865 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2000 20:48:20 -0000 Received: from du211069.cli.ptd.net (HELO mail.ptd.net) (204.186.211.69) by mail.ptd.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2000 20:48:20 -0000 Message-ID: <39B55BFA.791386E@mail.ptd.net> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 16:47:54 -0400 From: "Thomas M. Sommers" Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Ovens Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: emacs question References: <20000905190436.E254@parish> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Ovens wrote: > > How do you show matching parentheses, braces, square brackets in > emacs (the equivalent of ``%'' in vi(1))? > > The cursor jumps to the matching opening brace etc. when you add a > closing brace, but that's not much use when you are cut 'n' pasting > and end up with mis-matches. Look at paren-mode. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 5 15:31:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC76A37B423 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish.my.domain ([62.253.88.155]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000905223130.EBTK312.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@parish.my.domain>; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:31:30 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06558; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:31:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:31:27 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: "Thomas M. Sommers" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: emacs question Message-ID: <20000905233127.J254@parish> References: <20000905190436.E254@parish> <39B55BFA.791386E@mail.ptd.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <39B55BFA.791386E@mail.ptd.net>; from tms2@mail.ptd.net on Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 04:47:54PM -0400 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 04:47:54PM -0400, Thomas M. Sommers wrote: > Mark Ovens wrote: > > > > How do you show matching parentheses, braces, square brackets in > > emacs (the equivalent of ``%'' in vi(1))? > > > > The cursor jumps to the matching opening brace etc. when you add a > > closing brace, but that's not much use when you are cut 'n' pasting > > and end up with mis-matches. > > Look at paren-mode. Thanks. -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 5 19:30: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [207.154.84.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E4ADE37B42C for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 68281 invoked by uid 1142); 6 Sep 2000 02:29:58 -0000 Date: 5 Sep 2000 19:29:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:29:53 -0700 From: Jason Evans To: Mark Ovens Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: emacs question Message-ID: <20000905192953.D437@blitz.canonware.com> References: <20000905190436.E254@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000905190436.E254@parish>; from marko@freebsd.org on Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 07:04:36PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 07:04:36PM +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > How do you show matching parentheses, braces, square brackets in > emacs (the equivalent of ``%'' in vi(1))? > > The cursor jumps to the matching opening brace etc. when you add a > closing brace, but that's not much use when you are cut 'n' pasting > and end up with mis-matches. Look at the sexp stuff (forward-sexp and backward-sexp), bound to M-C-f and M-C-b, respectively. Jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 6 9: 7:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from superconductor.rush.net (superconductor.rush.net [208.9.155.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E69037B423 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (trish@localhost) by superconductor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02665 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:06:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Siobhan Patricia Lynch X-Sender: trish@superconductor.rush.net To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Fwd: RE: Windows ME Tour (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The message below is about M$'s Windows ME tour. they are coming to our area (Boston, Burlington Mall) on the 21st. 1) who would be interested in passing out FreeBSD CD's at these events, and: 2) could the groups get donations of old 4.0 CD's from BSDi? I personally will make copies to pass out if I have to, but I think passing out a limited number of CD's, and free literature would be best. -Trish ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 12:01:58 -0400 From: Elizabeth Palomino To: pat@andover.net Subject: Fwd: RE: Windows ME Tour (fwd) >X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.4 on Linux >Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 11:03:47 -0500 (EST) >From: Evan S >To: "Arthur B. Gallun" >Subject: RE: Windows ME Tour (fwd) >Cc: discuss@blu.org, John Abreau >Sender: owner-discuss@blu.org >X-Sender: Evan S > >Count me in. I've got a bunch of cheapbytes cds, and linux cdrs. >I can be at the Burlington one, 21-24. > >Hope to see all of you there, >Evan > >On 06-Sep-2000 Arthur B. Gallun wrote: > > Sounds like fun. > > When and where? > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-discuss@blu.org [mailto:owner-discuss@blu.org]On Behalf Of > >> John Abreau > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 8:26 AM > >> To: discuss@blu.org > >> Subject: Windows ME Tour (fwd) > >> > >> > >> Anyone able & willing to participate in he following? > >> > >> -- > >> John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux & Unix > >> ICQ#28611923 / AIM abreauj / Email jabr@blu.org > >> > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 23:46:16 -0700 > >> From: Thomas Chai > >> To: jabr@blu.org > >> Subject: Windows ME Tour > >> > >> Dear LUG's, > >> > >> Microsoft is coming to the shopping mall in your city to promote Windows > >> ME. Many of us think that this would be an opportune time for Linux > >> users to show our preferred choice by showing up to hand out free Linux > >> CD's. I have proposed to Linux Central to put up a new SKU so people > >> can purchase Linux CD's to be sent to the LUGs in the city of their > >> choices. The list of the cities for Windows ME tour is listed below as > >> well as the link to MSFT website. The SKU is not up yet, as I have to > >> coordinate with the user groups before Linux Central will take action. > >> > >> Would you please kindly let me know if people in your user group would > >> be interested in handling out the CD's at the mall, granted that it's OK > >> with the mall security? If possible, can you find out the feasibility > >> in your area? Thank you. > >> > >> I'll notify everyone as soon as Linux Central put up the SKU on their > >> website. > >> > >> Sincerely, > >> > >> Tom > >> > >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsME/spotlight/mall.asp > >> > >> West > >> Sep 14-17, S.F, Sunvalley Mall > >> Sep 21-24, Seattle, Northgate Mall > >> Sep 28-Oct 1, Portland, OR, Chackamas Town Center > >> Oct 12-15, Los Angeles, Main Place/Santa Ana > >> Oct 19-22, San Diego, Westfield Shoppingtown North County Fair > >> Oct 26-29, Phoenix, Paradise Valley Mall > >> Nov 2-5, Denver, Cherry Creek Mall > >> Nov 9-12, Kansas City, Oak Park Mall > >> > >> Central > >> > >> Sep 14-17, Chicago, Woodfield > >> Sep 21-24, Ann Arbor, Briarwood Mall > >> Sep 28-Oct1, Minneapolis, Mall of America > >> Oct 5-8, Washington DC, Fashion Centre at Pentagon City > >> Oct 12-15, Baltimore, Marley Station > >> Oct 19-22, Pittsburgh, South Hills Village > >> Oct 26-29, Cleveland, SouthPark Center > >> Nov 2-5, Cincinnati, Kenwood Towne Center > >> Nov 9-12, Houston, The Woodlands > >> > >> East > >> > >> Sep 14-17, New York, Roosevelt Field > >> Sep 21-24, Boston, Burlington Mall > >> Sep28-Oct 1, Philly, The Court at King of Prussia > >> Oct 5-8, Miami, Aventura Mall > >> Oct 19-22, Tampa, Tyrone Square > >> Oct 26-29, Atlanta, Lenox Square > >> Nov 2-5, Dallas/FW, Collin Creek Mall > >> Nov 9-12, St. Louis, St. Louis Union Station > >> > >> - > >> Subcription/unsubscription/info requests: send e-mail with > >> "subscribe", "unsubscribe", or "info" on the first line of the > >> message body to discuss-request@blu.org (Subject line is ignored). > >> > > - > > Subcription/unsubscription/info requests: send e-mail with > > "subscribe", "unsubscribe", or "info" on the first line of the > > message body to discuss-request@blu.org (Subject line is ignored). > > >- >Subcription/unsubscription/info requests: send e-mail with >"subscribe", "unsubscribe", or "info" on the first line of the >message body to discuss-request@blu.org (Subject line is ignored). Elizabeth Palomino 978-635-5300 ext 126 Systems and Network Engineer ICQ: 11866209 O | S | D | N, 50 Nagog Park, Acton, MA 01720 http://www.osdn.com/ Open Source Development Network __ Trish Lynch FreeBSD - The Power to Serve trish@bsdunix.net Rush Networking trish@rush.net VA Linux Systems trish@valinux.com O|S|D|N trish@osdn.com --- Q: Have you guys ever been on Sesame Street as special guests? A (from Geddy): No. Much to the dismay of my daughter. Q: Would you be on Sesame Street if you were asked? A (again from Geddy): G: Yes. How could you turn Sesame Street down? That borders on criminal. -Geddy Lee From Rush, on Rockline. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 6 9:17:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADFC37B423; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA91536; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 18:17:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Mark Ovens Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: emacs question References: <20000905190436.E254@parish> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 06 Sep 2000 18:17:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: Mark Ovens's message of "Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:04:36 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 9 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Ovens writes: > How do you show matching parentheses, braces, square brackets in > emacs (the equivalent of ``%'' in vi(1))? "C-h b" is your friend. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 6 19:50:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from math.berkeley.edu (gold.Math.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.58.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994D437B424 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dan@localhost) by math.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10818 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:50:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Strick Message-Id: <200009070250.TAA10818@math.berkeley.edu> To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: more relevant Doctor Fun Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://metalab.unc.edu/Dave/Dr-Fun/logos/logo_67.jpg (I don't know what he meant by this one, but it seems to be partly about us.) Dan Strick dan@math.berkeley.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 7 10: 9:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.class.com (mail.class.com [207.91.36.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAAAE37B422 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jim.class.com (unknown [192.168.1.144]) by mail.class.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5B759203 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:09:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: by jim.class.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8BD04B4394; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:08:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:08:13 -0500 From: Jim To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: The new edition of Unix System Administration Handbook Message-ID: <20000907120813.C93444@elwood.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i X-Whaa: You read headers? Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just got my copy of the new (3rd edition) copy of "Unix System Administration Handbook". Couple of point of interest I though I would mention. First you can no longer say "Get the Red Book" to people that ask for a good Unix book. They changed the cover from red to what looks like (to me) Sun purple. The second thing is that there is coverage of FreeBSD in this edition, complete with a little icon. Also there is a little quote by McKusick on the back. All in all, I am very excited to start reading this book, the last one was so good. -- Jim O'Gorman | Good advice is something a man gives UNIX Admin | when he is too old to set a bad ---- | example. -- La Rouchefoucauld jameso@elwood.net | jameso@class.com | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 7 11:55:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from relay1.inwind.it (relay1.inwind.it [212.141.53.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A4237B42C for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bartequi.ottodomain.org (212.141.79.89) by relay1.inwind.it (5.1.046) id 39AFDC99000DD5DB; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:55:13 +0200 From: Salvo Bartolotta Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 19:55:15 GMT Message-ID: <20000907.19551500@bartequi.ottodomain.org> Subject: Re: Intalling WindowsNT,FreeBsd 3.4,FreeBsd 4.1 To: John Galt Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: SuperCalifragilis X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ Redirected to -chat ] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 9/7/00, 6:45:00 PM, John Galt wrote regarding = Re: Intalling WindowsNT,FreeBsd 3.4,FreeBsd 4.1: > The 3.4 bootloader doesn't like start cylinders greater than 1024. My= =20 3.X > solution was to put "stub installs" within the first 100M and then=20 mount > stuff like swap, var, usr, _ad nauseum_in the >1024 cyl area. Even=20 though ^^^^^^^^^^^ Dear John Galt, I am afraid your Latin is not correct; your quotation should read "ad=20 nauseam". On a related note, this specific mistake is rather frequent.=20 More significantly, it seems that, whenever you are quoting from Latin=20 in a [more or less] serious or even emphatic context, the probability=20 of making such a mistake/typo/error increases :-))=20 Best regards, Salvo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 7 11:59:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from inconnu.isu.edu (inconnu.isu.edu [134.50.8.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6066737B423 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (galt@localhost) by inconnu.isu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03973; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:59:11 -0600 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:59:11 -0600 (MDT) From: John Galt To: Salvo Bartolotta Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intalling WindowsNT,FreeBsd 3.4,FreeBsd 4.1 In-Reply-To: <20000907.19551500@bartequi.ottodomain.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That's okay, I flunked latin anyway :) On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Salvo Bartolotta wrote: > [ Redirected to -chat ] > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > On 9/7/00, 6:45:00 PM, John Galt wrote regarding > Re: Intalling WindowsNT,FreeBsd 3.4,FreeBsd 4.1: > > > > The 3.4 bootloader doesn't like start cylinders greater than 1024. My > 3.X > > solution was to put "stub installs" within the first 100M and then > mount > > stuff like swap, var, usr, _ad nauseum_in the >1024 cyl area. Even > though > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > > Dear John Galt, > > I am afraid your Latin is not correct; your quotation should read "ad > nauseam". > > On a related note, this specific mistake is rather frequent. > > More significantly, it seems that, whenever you are quoting from Latin > in a [more or less] serious or even emphatic context, the probability > of making such a mistake/typo/error increases :-)) > > Best regards, > Salvo > > > -- Sacred cows make the best burgers Who is John Galt? galt@inconnu.isu.edu, that's who!!! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 7 12: 3:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4046F37B422 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish.my.domain ([62.255.98.115]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000907200209.RIOO3760.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@parish.my.domain>; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:02:09 +0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02087; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:03:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:03:09 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Salvo Bartolotta Cc: John Galt , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intalling WindowsNT,FreeBsd 3.4,FreeBsd 4.1 Message-ID: <20000907200309.H255@parish> References: <20000907.19551500@bartequi.ottodomain.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20000907.19551500@bartequi.ottodomain.org>; from bartequi@inwind.it on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 07:55:15PM +0000 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 07:55:15PM +0000, Salvo Bartolotta wrote: > [ Redirected to -chat ] > > stuff like swap, var, usr, _ad nauseum_in the >1024 cyl area. Even > though > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > > Dear John Galt, > > I am afraid your Latin is not correct; your quotation should read "ad > nauseam". > > On a related note, this specific mistake is rather frequent. > > More significantly, it seems that, whenever you are quoting from Latin > in a [more or less] serious or even emphatic context, the probability > of making such a mistake/typo/error increases :-)) > subscribe freebsd-latin@freebsd.org :) Vini, Vidi, Vinum - I came, I saw, I RAIDed > Best regards, > Salvo > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 7 13: 2:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from relay2.inwind.it (relay2.inwind.it [212.141.53.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE2337B42C; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bartequi.ottodomain.org (212.141.78.229) by relay2.inwind.it (5.1.046) id 39AF9CE3000740F1; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:02:29 +0200 From: Salvo Bartolotta Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 21:02:35 GMT Message-ID: <20000907.21023500@bartequi.ottodomain.org> Subject: Re: Intalling WindowsNT,FreeBsd 3.4,FreeBsd 4.1 To: marko@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, galt@inconnu.isu.edu X-Mailer: SuperCalifragilis X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 07:55:15PM +0000, Salvo Bartolotta wrote:> [=20 Redirected to -chat ] >> > stuff like swap, var, usr, _ad nauseum_in the >1024 cyl area. Even= =20 >> though >> ^^^^^^^^^^^ >>=20 >> >>=20 >>=20 >> Dear John Galt, >>=20 >> I am afraid your Latin is not correct; your quotation should read "ad= =20 >> nauseam". >>=20 >> On a related note, this specific mistake is rather frequent.=20 >>=20 >> More significantly, it seems that, whenever you are quoting from=20 Latin=20 >> in a [more or less] serious or even emphatic context, the probability= =20 >> of making such a mistake/typo/error increases :-))=20 >>=20 > subscribe freebsd-latin@freebsd.org :) > Vini, Vidi, Vinum - I came, I saw, I RAIDed ^^^^ Q.E.D. :-) That should read "Veni" (AFAIR, with long quantity on the "e"), but I=20 suspect you made this mistake on purpose; anyway, speaking about=20 "vinum", I will just recall the truism (probably well-known to Greg): =20 In vino veritas ...=20 Best regards, Salvo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 8 15:43:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BCF537B422; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e88MhK016543; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:43:20 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: net@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: threading tcp/ip is fun. Message-ID: <20000908154320.J12231@fw.wintelcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.wintelcom.net/~bright/thrsock.diff Should refresh every two minutes as I progress through the tcp/ip code in an attempt to thread it. If you have suggestions or works in progress please let me know. -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 8 18: 4:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from duval.se.mediaone.net (duval.se.mediaone.net [24.129.0.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB1D37B424 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mediaone.net (dtq-74-190.jacksonville.net [24.129.74.190]) by duval.se.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA21033 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39B98D7B.111BBACF@mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 21:08:12 -0400 From: Bentley Rhodes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD CHat Subject: query ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org zero, i've been using FreeBSD 4.x for about 2 weeks...luv it, has nothing on windows, but no killer games. first, where if anyone doesn't mind me asking here...are the THEMES for enlightenment kept globally? second, where is the directory for APACHE kept ... so i can use host my web page third , is there any way i can use different cursors (like windows cursors) in enlightenment fourth: i know that say. ... [ ln -s /usr/whatever ] can be used to point to directories or files...and that [ ln /usr/whatever/file(s) ] has to be used specifically for files (right?)....so besides that (if i'm right)...whats the difference in Linking? does a HARD LINK mean that i have that file on my computer? instead of another users computer or area? i guess i mean copying (cp ).....but that would be redundant. i know SOFT links redirect to the area or file...and if i [ cd .. ] from it , say as an FTP thing, someone could end up in my root directory. so my theory is that if i make a hard link to a file...then basically, i still save space because the file is only like what...a couple of kilobytes, versus the real file? bottom line...can someone fess up whats the best? also...is the JaxLUG meeting tomorrow at the FragLan area? hodge podge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 8 22:39:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.m.iinet.net.au (opera3.iinet.net.au [203.59.24.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E9A2937B440 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2497 invoked by uid 666); 9 Sep 2000 05:35:20 -0000 Received: from reggae-20-230.nv.iinet.net.au (HELO jules.elischer.org) (203.59.85.230) by mail.m.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 9 Sep 2000 05:35:20 -0000 Message-ID: <39B9CC11.41C67EA6@elischer.org> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 22:35:13 -0700 From: Julian Elischer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: net@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: threading tcp/ip is fun. References: <20000908154320.J12231@fw.wintelcom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > http://www.wintelcom.net/~bright/thrsock.diff > > Should refresh every two minutes as I progress through the tcp/ip > code in an attempt to thread it. > > If you have suggestions or works in progress please let me know. There is a lot of use of "atomic_ad_long()" nearly always with an increment of '1'. Would there be any advantage of having an "atomic_increment_long()"? (a_incl()) with the introduction of heavier weight operations at low level (e.g."atomic_add_long(a , 1);" vs "a += 1;" the optimal way if unrolling loops and threading decision trees may change.. e.g. if (XXX) a_incl(a); if (YYY) a_incl(b); if (ZZZ) a_incl(c); might be slower than: small_lock() if (XXX)a+=1; if (YYY)b+=1; if (ZZZ)c+=1; drop_small_lock(); (in this case not likely, but it's something to keep in mind I guess.) > > -- > -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] > "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk." > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message -- __--_|\ Julian Elischer / \ julian@elischer.org ( OZ ) World tour 2000 ---> X_.---._/ presently in: Perth v To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 9 13:27: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from milquetoast.cs.mcgill.ca (milquetoast.CS.McGill.CA [132.206.2.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769A237B422 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mat@localhost) by milquetoast.cs.mcgill.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05230 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 16:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 16:27:01 -0400 From: Mathew KANNER To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD better for games Message-ID: <20000909162701.A1095@cs.mcgill.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, CANADA Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All, I found the following at news.lokigames.com in their loki.gamessc3k newsgroup. I've snipped some of the message. |Path: news.lokigames.com!not-for-mail |From: Sam Lantinga |Newsgroups: loki.games.sc3k |Subject: Re: demo woes |Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 07:57:23 -0700 |Organization: Loki Entertainment Software |Lines: 38 |Message-ID: <39B7ACD3.ED1A217E@lokigames.com> |References: <39B70B6D.8D5C3C8@cheek.com> |NNTP-Posting-Host: user94.lokigames.com |Mime-Version: 1.0 |Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii |Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit |X-Trace: ftp.lokigames.com 968338643 31324 63.80.144.94 (7 Sep 2000 14:57:23 GMT) |X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@lokigames.com |NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Sep 2000 14:57:23 GMT |X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) |X-Accept-Language: en |Xref: news.lokigames.com loki.games.sc3k:151 [...] |> 2] doesn't run on caldera LTP with glibc 2.1.91. installs fine but |> crashes before the welcome screen pops up. i can give details if |> this doesn't repro for you at loki. this won't keep me from buying | | |Darn glibc. That bites us with many dynamically linked games. |We'll see what we can do, but it seems that every new release of libc |breaks backwards compatibility. It's ironic, but our games run more |consistently on FreeBSD boxes because of this. [...] |See ya! |-- | -Sam Lantinga, Lead Programmer, Loki Entertainment Software -- Mathew Kanner SOCS McGill University Obtuse quote: He [not me] understands: "This field of perception is void of perception of man." -- The Quintessence of Buddhism To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 9 17:20:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC6437B422 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 17:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bonsai.hiwaay.net (tnt6-216-180-4-137.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.4.137]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e8A0Kc710625 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 19:20:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by bonsai.hiwaay.net (8.11.0/8.9.3) id e8A0Kbo37252 for chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 19:20:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from steve) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 19:20:36 -0500 From: Steve Price To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: BSDCon Message-ID: <20000909192036.R2089@bonsai.hiwaay.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What days are people going to be at BSDCon? If I'm able to make it (and chances are looking slim) I won't be able to make it for the whole 14th to 20th deal. If I could figure out when we were planning to have gatherings I could try to squeeze in a couple of days. The night of the 19th for the BSDi dinner is the only confirmed gathering that I've been able to find. -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 9 20: 2:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87DC537B424 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 20:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell-1.enteract.com (dscheidt@shell-1.enteract.com [207.229.143.40]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA94878; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:02:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:02:22 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt To: Jim Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The new edition of Unix System Administration Handbook In-Reply-To: <20000907120813.C93444@elwood.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Jim wrote: :I just got my copy of the new (3rd edition) copy of "Unix System :Administration Handbook". Couple of point of interest I though I would :mention. : :First you can no longer say "Get the Red Book" to people that ask for :a good Unix book. They changed the cover from red to what looks like :(to me) Sun purple. Why should a little thing like the book not being red stop people from calling it that? Just another arcane thing to keep newcomers scratching their heads. David Scheidt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 9 23:55:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D5737B423; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 23:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA00712; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 23:55:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 23:55:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Steve Price Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDCon In-Reply-To: <20000909192036.R2089@bonsai.hiwaay.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 9 Sep 2000, Steve Price wrote: > What days are people going to be at BSDCon? If I'm able to make > it (and chances are looking slim) I won't be able to make it for > the whole 14th to 20th deal. If I could figure out when we were > planning to have gatherings I could try to squeeze in a couple of > days. The night of the 19th for the BSDi dinner is the only > confirmed gathering that I've been able to find. I'll be there from the 16th to the 20th.. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message