From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 1:48:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from jason.argos.org (a1-3b058.neo.rr.com [24.93.181.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D3837B87C; Sun, 7 May 2000 01:48:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@argos.org) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by jason.argos.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA11285; Sun, 7 May 2000 04:34:37 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 04:34:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Nowlin To: Will Andrews Cc: "Brandon D. Valentine" , FreeBSD Ports , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: rc.d startup scripts In-Reply-To: <20000506191401.A56777@argon.blackdawn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Fine, you can quote historical context to argue against doing something > similar to SVR4 init. I, however, see nothing wrong with making it easier > to manage the daemons. Of course, that does not necessarily need to go in > the rc.d scripts. This is as it should be.. "rc" files (and directories) are (in my opinion) meant to hold required configuration and startup information, NOT stuff that sends SIGHUP to Apache. Gated got it right - add a simple program (gdc) that does the extra stuff. If we could get the ports maintainers to supply a script that does the extra stuff and install it as part of the port, that could be a mild inducement on the behalf of FreeBSD. I dunno how many times I've typed "ps ax|grep dumbproc ... kill somepid .... dumbproc" or something like that. "restart dumbproc" would be easier, and unique enough that there wouldn't be any major naming collisions. Create system-wide "restart", "start", and "stop" scripts that the ports maintainers could plug into for those functions... Mebbe not a bad idea for half of the base system programs as well -- wouldn't change the BSD way of doing things, but would add some extra ease-of-use... Just make SURE that people don't start calling "restart lpd" from script files, as that could break things when it comes to porting to other BSD variants. mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 2:14:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D91537B671; Sun, 7 May 2000 02:14:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id SAA57107; Sun, 7 May 2000 18:44:39 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 18:44:39 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD Committers , FreeBSD current users Subject: ed driver broken in today's -CURRENT? Message-ID: <20000507184439.H55316@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've just built a new kernel, based on a cvsup at 2030 UTC on 6 May, and since then *some* Ethernet transactions don't work. I've checked that it's not just a dead card: the previous kernel works fine. I have the funny situation that I can send fine, and I can traceroute to the box, but I can't ping. NFS also objects strenuously: 18:36:47.508811 panic.lemis.com > freebie.lemis.com: icmp: echo request 18:36:47.508946 freebie.lemis.com > panic.lemis.com: icmp: echo reply 18:36:48.512540 panic.lemis.com > freebie.lemis.com: icmp: echo request 18:36:48.512669 freebie.lemis.com > panic.lemis.com: icmp: echo reply 18:36:49.522568 panic.lemis.com > freebie.lemis.com: icmp: echo request 18:36:49.522691 freebie.lemis.com > panic.lemis.com: icmp: echo reply 18:36:50.532531 panic.lemis.com > freebie.lemis.com: icmp: echo request 18:36:50.532664 freebie.lemis.com > panic.lemis.com: icmp: echo reply 18:36:51.542504 panic.lemis.com > freebie.lemis.com: icmp: echo request 18:36:51.542636 freebie.lemis.com > panic.lemis.com: icmp: echo reply The above all looks good, but panic doesn't see the reply. 18:36:58.933420 freebie.lemis.com > panic.lemis.com: icmp: echo request 18:36:59.953879 freebie.lemis.com > panic.lemis.com: icmp: echo request 18:37:00.973929 freebie.lemis.com > panic.lemis.com: icmp: echo request 18:37:01.993996 freebie.lemis.com > panic.lemis.com: icmp: echo request 18:37:03.014053 freebie.lemis.com > panic.lemis.com: icmp: echo request 18:37:04.034119 freebie.lemis.com > panic.lemis.com: icmp: echo request panic seems to see nothing. 18:37:07.857977 freebie.lemis.com.57058 > panic.lemis.com.33435: udp 12 [ttl 1] 18:37:07.858318 panic.lemis.com > freebie.lemis.com: icmp: panic.lemis.com udp port 33435 unreachable 18:37:07.860258 freebie.lemis.com.57058 > panic.lemis.com.33436: udp 12 [ttl 1] 18:37:07.860584 panic.lemis.com > freebie.lemis.com: icmp: panic.lemis.com udp port 33436 unreachable 18:37:07.861455 freebie.lemis.com.57058 > panic.lemis.com.33437: udp 12 [ttl 1] 18:37:07.861767 panic.lemis.com > freebie.lemis.com: icmp: panic.lemis.com udp port 33437 unreachable This works fine! With the same kernel. After rebooting a kernel of a few days ago, panic can ping just fine: 18:39:17.258545 arp who-has panic.lemis.com tell panic.lemis.com 18:39:22.034446 arp who-has freebie.lemis.com tell panic.lemis.com 18:39:22.034543 arp reply freebie.lemis.com is-at 0:80:ad:b7:c9:c7 18:39:22.034875 panic.lemis.com > freebie.lemis.com: icmp: echo request 18:39:22.034994 freebie.lemis.com > panic.lemis.com: icmp: echo reply 18:39:23.040705 panic.lemis.com > freebie.lemis.com: icmp: echo request 18:39:23.040837 freebie.lemis.com > panic.lemis.com: icmp: echo reply 18:39:24.050692 panic.lemis.com > freebie.lemis.com: icmp: echo request 18:39:24.050815 freebie.lemis.com > panic.lemis.com: icmp: echo reply This is a Compex PCI-based NE2000 lookalike. It's on irq 3 (alone). Who gets the pointy hat? Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 2:48:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6EA837B566 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 02:48:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA71998 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 02:48:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 02:48:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can someone explain to me why pax(1) has (undocumented) switches which select some tape devices, but apparently randomly numbered ones: From tar.h: /* * default device names */ #define DEV_0 "/dev/rmt0" #define DEV_1 "/dev/rmt1" #define DEV_4 "/dev/rmt4" #define DEV_5 "/dev/rmt5" #define DEV_7 "/dev/rmt7" #define DEV_8 "/dev/rmt8" These are selectable through -0, -1, -4, etc. Nevermind the fact that they point to devices which have never existed in FreeBSD, but why on earth wouldn't you want -2, -3, or -6? Anyway, does anyone see the point in leaving these in (changing the devices to /dev/rsa<#> and documenting their existence), or should I rip them out? Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 5:49: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 542) id 28DCC37B6D6; Sun, 7 May 2000 05:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 05:49:01 -0700 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: Greg Lehey Cc: FreeBSD Committers , FreeBSD current users Subject: Re: ed driver broken in today's -CURRENT? Message-ID: <20000507054901.A2513@freebsd.org> References: <20000507184439.H55316@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <20000507184439.H55316@freebie.lemis.com>; from grog@lemis.com on Sun, May 07, 2000 at 06:44:39PM +0930 Organization: Biomechanoid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 06:44:39PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > I've just built a new kernel, based on a cvsup at 2030 UTC on 6 May, > and since then *some* Ethernet transactions don't work. I've checked > that it's not just a dead card: the previous kernel works fine. I > have the funny situation that I can send fine, and I can traceroute to > the box, but I can't ping. NFS also objects strenuously: It is not dead card, it is broken TCP, see my similar report in -current, I notice it several hours ago right after TCP changes was commited. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://nagual.pp.ru/~ache/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 6: 9:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gemma.TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE (gemma.TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE [129.70.136.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138DA37B641; Sun, 7 May 2000 06:09:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oschonef@TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE) Received: from frizzantino.TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE (frizzantino.TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE [129.70.133.65]) by gemma.TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE (8.9.1/8.9.1/TechFak/pk+ro20000427) with SMTP id PAA11979; Sun, 7 May 2000 15:09:26 +0200 (MET DST) From: Oliver Schonefeld Received: by frizzantino.TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE (SMI-8.6/pk970604A) id PAA22623; Sun, 7 May 2000 15:09:25 +0200 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 15:09:25 +0200 To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: FreeBSD current users , grog@lemis.com Subject: Re: ed driver broken in today's -CURRENT? Message-ID: <20000507150925.A22595@frizzantino.TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE> References: <20000507184439.H55316@freebie.lemis.com> <20000507054901.A2513@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000507054901.A2513@freebsd.org>; from ache@FreeBSD.ORG on Sun, May 07, 2000 at 05:49:01AM -0700 X-Zen: Oooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Eines schoenen Tages schrieb Andrey A. Chernov: > On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 06:44:39PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > > I've just built a new kernel, based on a cvsup at 2030 UTC on 6 May, > > and since then *some* Ethernet transactions don't work. I've checked > > that it's not just a dead card: the previous kernel works fine. I > > have the funny situation that I can send fine, and I can traceroute to > > the box, but I can't ping. NFS also objects strenuously: > > It is not dead card, it is broken TCP, see my similar report in -current, I > notice it several hours ago right after TCP changes was commited. Same thing here, but the problems have gone to -stabe too. due to a probable tcp breakage i downgraded my machine to 4.0-stable which worked pretty good. with sources as from may 5th kernel boots fine, but tcp seems broken too. I experience a 50% package loss on out home lan. udp seems broken badly. rpc calls and nfs stopped working. i am using the vx driver on a 3com 3c597 EISA board. network card is ok, packet filtering rules have not been altered since the last kernel version. is nobody else seeing this? any clues? regards, oliver -- -------------------------------------------------------- And remember: "To Infinity And Far Beyond ... Somehow?!" email: oschonef@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de olli@psychopathen.org -------------------------------------------------------- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me in your ~/.signature to help me spread! <- Save this lifeform ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 7: 3:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gemma.TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE (gemma.TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE [129.70.136.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD46937B623; Sun, 7 May 2000 07:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oschonef@TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE) Received: from frizzantino.TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE (frizzantino.TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE [129.70.133.65]) by gemma.TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE (8.9.1/8.9.1/TechFak/pk+ro20000427) with SMTP id QAA12446; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:03:07 +0200 (MET DST) From: Oliver Schonefeld Received: by frizzantino.TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE (SMI-8.6/pk970604A) id QAA22751; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:03:06 +0200 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 16:03:06 +0200 To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: FreeBSD current users , grog@lemis.com Subject: Re: ed driver broken in today's -CURRENT? Message-ID: <20000507160306.A22694@frizzantino.TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE> References: <20000507184439.H55316@freebie.lemis.com> <20000507054901.A2513@freebsd.org> <20000507150925.A22595@frizzantino.TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000507150925.A22595@frizzantino.TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE>; from oschonef@TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE on Sun, May 07, 2000 at 03:09:25PM +0200 X-Zen: Oooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Eines schoenen Tages schrieb Oliver Schonefeld: [snip] > > It is not dead card, it is broken TCP, see my similar report in -current, I > > notice it several hours ago right after TCP changes was commited. > > Same thing here, but the problems have gone to -stabe too. due to a probable > tcp breakage i downgraded my machine to 4.0-stable which worked pretty good. > with sources as from may 5th kernel boots fine, but tcp seems broken too. I > experience a 50% package loss on out home lan. udp seems broken badly. rpc > calls and nfs stopped working. > > i am using the vx driver on a 3com 3c597 EISA board. network card is ok, > packet filtering rules have not been altered since the last kernel version. > > is nobody else seeing this? any clues? kind of looks like a problem in the delayed checksum calculation. while having a cvsup running and doing some nfs testing with a linux box pinging killed the -stable machine. (no flood pinging, just a normal ping) also nfs to the linux box was just beyond beeing awefully slow ... not even creeping is the reight term. kernel output from crash: delayed m_pullup, m->len: 84 off: 61420 p: 1 Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x8 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xc0197f14 stack pointer = 0x10:0xc8934e34 frame pointer = 0x10:0xc8934e60 code segemnt = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current procress = 213 (dnetc) interrupt mask = kernel: type 12, code=0 db> trace ip_output(c0661e00,c8934ef4,c0661e00,c0661e4a,7) at ip_output+0xba0 ip_output(c0661e00,0,c8934ef4,14,0,0) at ip_output+0x5fb icmp_input(c0661e00,0) at icmp_input+0x716 icmp_input(c0661e00,c0661e00,fbdd809a,ffff0000,40) at icmp_input+0x697 icmp_input(c0661e00,14,1,c0661e00,fbdd809a) at icmp_input+0x357 ip_input(c0661e00) at ip_input+0x780 ip_input(c01d7beb,0,2f,2f,2f) at ip_input+0x7df crashdump availabale on request. regards, oliver -- -------------------------------------------------------- And remember: "To Infinity And Far Beyond ... Somehow?!" email: oschonef@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de olli@psychopathen.org -------------------------------------------------------- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me in your ~/.signature to help me spread! <- Save this lifeform ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 7:16:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.bart.nl (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CCD037BA20; Sun, 7 May 2000 07:16:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@lucifer.bart.nl) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.bart.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA86324; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:15:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 16:15:57 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: Greg Lehey , FreeBSD Committers , FreeBSD current users Subject: Re: ed driver broken in today's -CURRENT? Message-ID: <20000507161557.C86113@lucifer.bart.nl> References: <20000507184439.H55316@freebie.lemis.com> <20000507054901.A2513@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000507054901.A2513@freebsd.org>; from ache@FreeBSD.org on Sun, May 07, 2000 at 05:49:01AM -0700 Organisation: VIA Net.Works The Netherlands Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20000507 14:50], Andrey A. Chernov (ache@FreeBSD.org) wrote: >It is not dead card, it is broken TCP, see my similar report in -current, I >notice it several hours ago right after TCP changes was commited. I assume you mean the NewReno commit submitted by Jayanth? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator VIA Net.Works The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl And we are drunk with Death... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 7:33: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 542) id B187637B814; Sun, 7 May 2000 07:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 07:32:59 -0700 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Cc: Greg Lehey , FreeBSD Committers , FreeBSD current users Subject: Re: ed driver broken in today's -CURRENT? Message-ID: <20000507073259.A23939@freebsd.org> References: <20000507184439.H55316@freebie.lemis.com> <20000507054901.A2513@freebsd.org> <20000507161557.C86113@lucifer.bart.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <20000507161557.C86113@lucifer.bart.nl>; from jruigrok@via-net-works.nl on Sun, May 07, 2000 at 04:15:57PM +0200 Organization: Biomechanoid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 04:15:57PM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: > -On [20000507 14:50], Andrey A. Chernov (ache@FreeBSD.org) wrote: > >It is not dead card, it is broken TCP, see my similar report in -current, I > >notice it several hours ago right after TCP changes was commited. > > I assume you mean the NewReno commit submitted by Jayanth? It is either NewReno or checksum changes, I not know which one. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://nagual.pp.ru/~ache/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 7:39: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from itesec.hsc.fr (itesec.hsc.fr [192.70.106.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F4EF37B7A1; Sun, 7 May 2000 07:38:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Alain.Thivillon@hsc.fr) Received: from yoko.hsc.fr (yoko.hsc.fr [192.70.106.76]) by itesec.hsc.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B759210E5E; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:38:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yoko.hsc.fr (Postfix release-19990601, from userid 1001) id F116A9B017; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:38:44 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 16:38:44 +0200 From: Alain Thivillon To: Jonathan Lemon Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet tcp.h tcp_input.c tcp_output.c tcp_timer.c tcp_var.h Message-ID: <20000507163844.A2126@yoko.hsc.fr> Reply-To: current@freebsd.org References: <200005060331.UAA26060@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.10i In-Reply-To: <200005060331.UAA26060@freefall.freebsd.org>; from jlemon@FreeBSD.org on Fri, May 05, 2000 at 08:31:10PM -0700 X-Organization: Herve Schauer Consultants X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jonathan Lemon écrivait (wrote) : > jlemon 2000/05/05 20:31:10 PDT > > Modified files: > sys/netinet tcp.h tcp_input.c tcp_output.c > tcp_timer.c tcp_var.h > Log: > Implement TCP NewReno, as documented in RFC 2582. This allows > better recovery for multiple packet losses in a single window. > The algorithm can be toggled via the sysctl net.inet.tcp.newreno, > which defaults to "on". > > Submitted by: Jayanth Vijayaraghavan This seems to have serious side effects on some TCP connections. My ssh connection to a Linux server dies randomly wicth 'Connection reset by peer', remote log shows: May 7 16:31:13 hsc sshd[25825]: fatal: Local: Bad packet length 300903990. setting net.inet.tcp.newreno to 0 fix my problem. If this can help : i'm running -CURRENT from yesterday, i am using stock ssh-1.2.27 (not openssh) on both sides on 33.6kbps ppp connection. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 7:41:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from itesec.hsc.fr (itesec.hsc.fr [192.70.106.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF4F37B623 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 07:41:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Alain.Thivillon@hsc.fr) Received: from yoko.hsc.fr (yoko.hsc.fr [192.70.106.76]) by itesec.hsc.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F8710E0E; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:41:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: by yoko.hsc.fr (Postfix release-19990601, from userid 1001) id 7723B9B017; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:41:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 16:41:35 +0200 From: Alain Thivillon To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TCP becomes very broken just now Message-ID: <20000507164135.B2126@yoko.hsc.fr> References: <20000507011123.A242@nagual.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.10i In-Reply-To: <20000507011123.A242@nagual.pp.ru>; from ache@nagual.pp.ru on Sun, May 07, 2000 at 01:11:23AM +0400 X-Organization: Herve Schauer Consultants X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Andrey A. Chernov" écrivait (wrote) : > Some of recent kernel TCP changes cause TCP completely not working, > i.e. any network daemon (mountd, sendmail, cfsd) started from "rc" on > dialup machine hangs with 3min "Can't connect' timeout and user level > "ppp" started than hangs forever even not dialing. Please fix. You can try: sysctl -w net.inet.tcp.newreno=0 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 7:42:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3870237B623 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 07:42:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daemon@mips.inka.de) Received: from bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 12oSGe-0007X7-00; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:42:48 +0200 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16124 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:39:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1) Date: 7 May 2000 16:39:16 +0200 Message-ID: <8f3v6k$fnk$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> References: To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway wrote: > Can someone explain to me why pax(1) has (undocumented) switches which > select some tape devices, but apparently randomly numbered ones: Note that these switches appear only in pax' tar compatibility personality, which isn't used in FreeBSD. And the reason they're there is because old versions of tar had them. I'm looking at 4.3BSD's usr/src/bin/tar.c right now, and it supports -[014578] to select the respective "/dev/rmt#" device. > These are selectable through -0, -1, -4, etc. Nevermind the fact that they > point to devices which have never existed in FreeBSD, but why on earth > wouldn't you want -2, -3, or -6? Historical reasons. Back in 4.3BSD, bits 0 and 1 of the minor number seem to have specified the device, bit 2 marked non-rewinding, bit 3 6250bpi (high density?). That explains rmt[0145] well enough, although rmt[78] remain unclear. > Anyway, does anyone see the point in leaving these in (changing the > devices to /dev/rsa<#> and documenting their existence), or should I rip > them out? OpenBSD only changed "rmt" to "rst" ("rsa" for us), which isn't particularly useful. Solaris uses 0..7 to select an entry from /etc/default/tar, which specifies device name, block size, and tape size. I guess mapping -[01] to rsa[01], and -[45] to nrsa[01] still makes about the most sense. Unless you intend to revive pax' tar personality under FreeBSD (which would suggest merging in OpenBSD's changes), I'd say just leave it. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 8: 0:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.bart.nl (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1552337BAE1; Sun, 7 May 2000 08:00:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@lucifer.bart.nl) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.bart.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA86754; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:59:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 16:59:46 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: Bruce Evans Cc: Maxim Sobolev , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Small MAKEDEV bug Message-ID: <20000507165946.F86113@lucifer.bart.nl> References: <3913D862.960037A1@altavista.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from bde@zeta.org.au on Sun, May 07, 2000 at 05:53:41AM +1000 Organisation: VIA Net.Works The Netherlands Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20000506 21:55], Bruce Evans (bde@zeta.org.au) wrote: >On Sat, 6 May 2000, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > >> I've just noticed that "sh MAKEDEV acd1" doesn't produce node for acd1 due to >> incorrect comparasion in the "while" loop. This affecting both 4.0-STABLE and >> 5.0-CURRENT. With this message I'm attaching short patch which should solve >> this little problem. > >This is the intended behaviour. "sh MAKEDEV acdN" is supposed to create >N acd devices, numbered from 0 to N-1. This broken behaviour was introduced >for cd*, mcd* and scd* in rev.1.171. It has since spread to acd*. Other >types of disks are handled correctly. Bah, bah, bah. I am really starting to wonder about this sunburn thing. Can we settle this once and for all in a slightly sane manner? I committed the change so that MAKEDEV acd1 creates acd1 and not just acd0. I personally think this is more consistent with the wd/sa/da/ad numbering scheme and would propose to fix the other cd* entries likewise. Because otherwise somebody other than me will make the same (commit) mistake x days/weeks/months/years into the future. Opinions? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator VIA Net.Works The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl In this short time of promise, you're a memory... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 8:19:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [207.154.226.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55FC937B50C for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 08:19:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@elvis.mu.org) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DEB462B208; Sun, 7 May 2000 10:19:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 08:19:23 -0700 From: Paul Saab To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TCP becomes very broken just now Message-ID: <20000507081923.A55188@elvis.mu.org> References: <20000507011123.A242@nagual.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000507011123.A242@nagual.pp.ru>; from ache@nagual.pp.ru on Sun, May 07, 2000 at 01:11:23AM +0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andrey A. Chernov (ache@nagual.pp.ru) wrote: > Some of recent kernel TCP changes cause TCP completely not working, > i.e. any network daemon (mountd, sendmail, cfsd) started from "rc" on > dialup machine hangs with 3min "Can't connect' timeout and user level > "ppp" started than hangs forever even not dialing. Please fix. The problem is in jlemon's latest commit cleaning up the checksum calculations. I would be interested in seeing what netstat -s says for bad checksums.. I came up with this patch, which fixes my i386 machine.. I dont have an alpha to test. http://people.freebsd.org/~ps/cksum.diff -- Paul Saab Technical Yahoo paul@mu.org - ps@yahoo-inc.com - ps@freebsd.org Do You .. uhh .. Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 9:40:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from goliath.siemens.de (goliath.siemens.de [194.138.37.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA98537B7DD for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 09:40:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ust@cert.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: ust@cert.siemens.de (at relayer goliath.siemens.de) Received: from mail1.siemens.de (mail1.siemens.de [139.23.33.14]) by goliath.siemens.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e47Ge4I03057; Sun, 7 May 2000 18:40:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mars.cert.siemens.de (ust.mchp.siemens.de [139.23.201.17]) by mail1.siemens.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e47Ge3A17447; Sun, 7 May 2000 18:40:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alaska.cert.siemens.de (reims.mchp.siemens.de [139.23.202.134]) by mars.cert.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/Siemens CERT [ $Revision: 1.4 ]) with ESMTP id SAA07374; Sun, 7 May 2000 18:40:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ust@alaska.cert.siemens.de) Received: (from ust@localhost) by alaska.cert.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/alaska [ $Revision: 1.3 ]) id QAA04508; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:40:03 GMT (envelope-from ust) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 18:40:03 +0200 From: Udo Schweigert To: Paul Saab Cc: "Andrey A. Chernov" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP becomes very broken just now Message-ID: <20000507184003.A4467@alaska.cert.siemens.de> References: <20000507011123.A242@nagual.pp.ru> <20000507081923.A55188@elvis.mu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000507081923.A55188@elvis.mu.org>; from paul@mu.org on Sun, May 07, 2000 at 08:19:23AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 08:19:23 -0700, Paul Saab wrote: > > I came up with this patch, which fixes my i386 machine.. I dont have an > alpha to test. > > http://people.freebsd.org/~ps/cksum.diff > Fixes it for my machine (i386) too. Thanks Paul! Regards -- Udo Schweigert, Siemens AG | Voice : +49 89 636 42170 ZT IK 3, Siemens CERT | Fax : +49 89 636 41166 D-81730 Muenchen / Germany | email : ust@cert.siemens.de PGP-2/5 fingerprint | D8 A5 DF 34 EC 87 E8 C6 E2 26 C4 D0 EE 80 36 B2 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 10: 3:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6841237B678; Sun, 7 May 2000 10:03:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e47H3ne13758; Sun, 7 May 2000 12:03:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 12:03:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: Kris Kennaway Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RSA decrypt problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 6 May 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote: # I'm strongly suspecting something wrong with the encoding of the # certificate. Can you grab dumpasn1.c and dumpasn1.cfg from [snip] # Then: # # dumpasn1 file.der root@bonsai(/usr/local/etc/apache/ssl.key)# dumpasn1 server.key 0 2D 45: Unknown (Reserved) { 2 2D 45: Unknown (Reserved) { 4 2D 66: Unknown (Reserved) { 6 45 71: [APPLICATION 5] : 'IN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----.MIICXgIBAAKBgQC554Ro+VH0' : 'dJONqljPBW+C72MDNGNy9eX' Error: Inconsistent object length, 7 bytes difference. : } Error: Inconsistent object length, 30 bytes difference. : } Error: Inconsistent object length, 32 bytes difference. : } 0 warnings, 3 errors. I get similar errors with server.crt. -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 10:28:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C92E237B8B0 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 10:28:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@c01-162.006.popsite.net [216.126.134.162]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17294; Sun, 7 May 2000 10:28:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA36023; Sun, 7 May 2000 10:28:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 10:28:48 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1) Message-ID: <20000507102848.A35845@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <8f3v6k$fnk$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <8f3v6k$fnk$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de>; from naddy@mips.inka.de on Sun, May 07, 2000 at 04:39:16PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 04:39:16PM +0200, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > OpenBSD only changed "rmt" to "rst" ("rsa" for us) Just "sa" for us -- "sa" is now a raw device and "rFOO" use is depreciated. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 10:42:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE24137BAEA; Sun, 7 May 2000 10:42:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@c01-162.006.popsite.net [216.126.134.162]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17351; Sun, 7 May 2000 10:42:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA36548; Sun, 7 May 2000 10:42:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 10:42:24 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Cc: Maxim Sobolev , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Small MAKEDEV bug Message-ID: <20000507104224.D35845@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3913D862.960037A1@altavista.net> <20000507165946.F86113@lucifer.bart.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000507165946.F86113@lucifer.bart.nl>; from asmodai@FreeBSD.ORG on Sun, May 07, 2000 at 04:59:46PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 04:59:46PM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: > Can we settle this once and for all in a slightly sane manner? > > I committed the change so that MAKEDEV acd1 creates acd1 and not just > acd0. This is wrong. ``MAKEDEV acd2'' should either create only /dev/acd2*, or /dev/acd[01]*. It would be nice to fix our inconsistency problem. Looking at the 4.4Lite vendor import to find the BSD way would be a good start. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 11: 8:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4EB337BAB1; Sun, 7 May 2000 11:08:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21810; Sun, 7 May 2000 11:07:03 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 11:08:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, "David O'Brien" Subject: Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1) In-Reply-To: <20000507102848.A35845@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oh, and in the updating of this, don't forget the FreeBSD usage of .ctl for tape devices- as far as I know this is the only *BSD that has this. On Sun, 7 May 2000, David O'Brien wrote: > On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 04:39:16PM +0200, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > OpenBSD only changed "rmt" to "rst" ("rsa" for us) > > Just "sa" for us -- "sa" is now a raw device and "rFOO" use is > depreciated. > > -- > -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 11:50:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org (melchior.enst.fr [137.194.161.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B84D37B97E; Sun, 7 May 2000 11:50:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from quinot@inf.enst.fr) Received: by melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org (Postfix, from userid 11117) id 9986077D5; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:50:31 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 20:50:31 +0200 From: Thomas Quinot To: Mike Nowlin Cc: Will Andrews , "Brandon D. Valentine" , FreeBSD Ports , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: rc.d startup scripts Message-ID: <20000507205031.A3274@cuivre.fr.eu.org> Reply-To: Thomas Quinot References: <20000506191401.A56777@argon.blackdawn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.9i In-Reply-To: ; from mike@argos.org on Sun, May 07, 2000 at 04:34:37AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Le 2000-05-07, Mike Nowlin écrivait : > stuff that sends SIGHUP to Apache. Gated got it right - add a simple > program (gdc) that does the extra stuff. If we could get the ports Bind has that as well with 'ndc', and apache with apachectl. Such helper scripts are indeed very useful, and it owuld be quite nice to have them for the standard subsystems -- I found find it far more convenient to type eg 'amdc restart' instead of 'killall amd && . /etc/rc.conf && amd -p ${amd_flags}' :) Thomas. -- Thomas Quinot ** Département Informatique & Réseaux ** quinot@inf.enst.fr ENST // 46 rue Barrault // 75634 PARIS CEDEX 13 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 12:27:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from cypherpunks.ai (cypherpunks.ai [209.88.68.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B3537BB25; Sun, 7 May 2000 12:27:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeroen@vangelderen.org) Received: from vangelderen.org (intefix.ai [209.88.68.216]) by cypherpunks.ai (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5D151; Sun, 7 May 2000 15:27:19 -0400 (AST) Message-ID: <3915C38B.1E8614AB@vangelderen.org> Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 15:27:07 -0400 From: "Jeroen C. van Gelderen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Small MAKEDEV bug References: <3913D862.960037A1@altavista.net> <20000507165946.F86113@lucifer.bart.nl> <20000507104224.D35845@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [CC culled, -stable removed] David O'Brien wrote: > > On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 04:59:46PM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: > > Can we settle this once and for all in a slightly sane manner? > > > > I committed the change so that MAKEDEV acd1 creates acd1 and not just > > acd0. > > This is wrong. ``MAKEDEV acd2'' should either create only /dev/acd2*, or > /dev/acd[01]*. > > It would be nice to fix our inconsistency problem. Looking at the > 4.4Lite vendor import to find the BSD way would be a good start. Or just settle for a more intuitive solution: MAKEDEV acd2 creates /dev/acd2 MAKEDEV 2 acd creates /dev/acd[01] which would allow for "MAKEDEV 64 da" and "MAKEDEV 256 pty" > -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) Jeroen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 12:36:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7DA037B5A1; Sun, 7 May 2000 12:36:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA58338; Sun, 7 May 2000 12:36:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <3915C5AF.9DE22474@gorean.org> Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 12:36:15 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0422 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Price Cc: Kris Kennaway , Forrest Aldrich , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RSA decrypt problems References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------8905D405759B85C77D2D8BD2" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8905D405759B85C77D2D8BD2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Price wrote: > > On Fri, 5 May 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > # I'm suspecting it might be something missing in the ASN.1 encoding of the > # certificate, which netscape requires but IE permits. This would be > # consistent with a missing openssl.cnf file at the time of certificate > # generation. Could one of you try copying the openssl.cnf file from > # crypto/openssl/apps/ to /etc/ssl (editing as appropriate) and see if that > # fixes it (i.e. make a new certificate and test it in the same way)? > > It didn't help here. I rebuilt the port and re-installed from > a clean WRKDIR and I get the same error message. If I do a > 'make certificate', copy those files over, and try to start > apache it just hangs definitely until I ^C it. After I kill > it I see this in the apache error logs. > > [error] mod_ssl: Init: Private key not found (OpenSSL library > error follows) > [error] OpenSSL: error:0D06B078:asn1 encoding routines:ASN1_get_object: > header too long > > Methinks it has something to do with key generation as well, but > I'll be darned if I know what. Ok, here are some silly questions. Did you create a private key for this server, did you encrypt your cert with it, and is that .key file pointed to in your httpd.conf config file? SSLCertificateKeyFile is what you're looking for. http://www.modssl.org/related/ has some really good resources for this, and their FAQ has step by step instructions for creating and testing keys and certs that may help you track down where in the process it's getting lost. Also, did you install the openssl port, or are you using the openssl that is part of the base in 4.0+? I vaguely remember you saying that you were using the port. If so, cd to /usr/local/openssl and cp openssl.cnf.sample to openssl.cnf. I'm currently hip deep in certificate generation problems myself, so I sympathize with your plight there Steve. Kris, I was going to let you know about the openssl.cnf problem, but I wanted to wait till I had more data. But, since the cat's out of the bag here, yes, we do need an openssl.cnf file in /etc/ssl for the system version. I attached a patch (not that you couldn't have done it yourself...). The only problem with this is that from the mergemaster standpoint, there is no $FreeBSD/$Id tag in that file. mm will still work (doing a complete comparison with diff) but it speeds things up and hides local mods if there is a CVS tag. HTH, Doug -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? --------------8905D405759B85C77D2D8BD2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="sslcnf.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="sslcnf.diff" Index: Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/ncvs/src/etc/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.221 diff -u -r1.221 Makefile --- Makefile 2000/04/15 16:48:41 1.221 +++ Makefile 2000/05/07 19:20:41 @@ -26,6 +26,10 @@ ${.CURDIR}/../crypto/openssh/sshd_config .endif +.if exists(${.CURDIR}/../crypto) && !defined(NO_OPENSSL) +SSL= ${.CURDIR}/../crypto/openssl/apps/openssl.cnf +.endif + # -rwxr-xr-x root.wheel, for the new cron root.wheel BIN2= netstart pccard_ether rc.suspend rc.resume @@ -76,6 +80,10 @@ .if exists(${.CURDIR}/../crypto) && !defined(NO_OPENSSH) (cd ${.CURDIR}; ${INSTALL} -c -o ${BINOWN} -g ${BINGRP} -m 644 ${SSH} \ ${DESTDIR}/etc/ssh ) +.endif +.if exists(${.CURDIR}/../crypto) && !defined(NO_OPENSSL) + (cd ${.CURDIR}; ${INSTALL} -c -o ${BINOWN} -g ${BINGRP} -m 644 ${SSL} \ + ${DESTDIR}/etc/ssl ) .endif .if !defined(NO_MAKEDEV) (cd ${DESTDIR}/dev; sh MAKEDEV all) --------------8905D405759B85C77D2D8BD2-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 14:35:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (adsl-63-202-176-114.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.176.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06AA137BC9B; Sun, 7 May 2000 14:35:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11888; Sun, 7 May 2000 14:44:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200005072144.OAA11888@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: FreeBSD Committers , FreeBSD current users Subject: Re: ed driver broken in today's -CURRENT? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 May 2000 07:32:59 PDT." <20000507073259.A23939@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 14:44:12 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 04:15:57PM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: > > -On [20000507 14:50], Andrey A. Chernov (ache@FreeBSD.org) wrote: > > >It is not dead card, it is broken TCP, see my similar report in -current, I > > >notice it several hours ago right after TCP changes was commited. > > > > I assume you mean the NewReno commit submitted by Jayanth? > > It is either NewReno or checksum changes, I not know which one. Since there's a sysctl you can use to turn the former off, perhaps it would have been smart to take a few seconds to narrow it down? -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 14:44:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFEEA37C1D3; Sun, 7 May 2000 14:44:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:44:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Fundakowski Feldman X-Sender: green@green.dyndns.org To: Mike Smith Cc: "Andrey A. Chernov" , FreeBSD Committers , FreeBSD current users Subject: Re: ed driver broken in today's -CURRENT? In-Reply-To: <200005072144.OAA11888@mass.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 7 May 2000, Mike Smith wrote: > > Since there's a sysctl you can use to turn the former off, perhaps it > would have been smart to take a few seconds to narrow it down? Those changes wouldn't have affected ICMP, but we tried that anyway. The problem was that the code changed the expression ~sum & 0xffff to sum == 0xffff ? sum : ~sum & 0xffff. I had just found and fixed this locally when I noticed Paul Saab committed the same functional fix. Well, it's nice to know that we can get multiple people finding the problem as soon as the symptoms of the breakage are known :) > -- > \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith > \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com -- Brian Fundakowski Feldman \ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! / green@FreeBSD.org `------------------------------' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 14:47:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6B937C0BD; Sun, 7 May 2000 14:47:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA60253; Sun, 7 May 2000 14:47:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <3915E459.2C1A382C@gorean.org> Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 14:47:05 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0422 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Will Andrews Cc: FreeBSD Ports , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: rc.d startup scripts References: <20000506155749.K55274@argon.blackdawn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Will Andrews wrote: > > Hello, > > I've noticed an inconsistency among our ports. It seems that not every port > that installs rc.d startup scripts includes methods to not only startup, > but also shutdown and/or restart, where appropriate. (Sent to -ports for > ports hackers' opinions.) Dave already mentioned the right targets, and I agree that it would be nice to have this. I have some sample stuff that I've used for quite a while that I'd be happy to clean up and share as templates. One thing we can do which will improve the situation right off the bat is standardize the code that does the pid-finding, etc. and then source those functions in each control script. > Shouldn't this sort of thing be standardized? And maybe a similar method be > integrated into /etc/rc for restarting base system daemons? (Sent to > -current for src hackers' opinions.) I'm going to reply to the system part of this too, replies to this thread should split off to -current. I have a design in mind for a new rc system that uses scripts with "start, stop, status" operators to both upgrade and downgrade services, where "services" are defined as groups of daemons/programs that work together. For example, "nfs" would be an example of a service, which would be subdivided into client and server, etc. Unfortunately, due to the way work is going right now I haven't been left with any time for big projects of this nature. My plan was to start small with the daemons that don't have a lot of dependencies, then grow the system up through the top. If anyone wants more details about my ideas on this line, just let me know. Doug -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 14:47:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (adsl-63-202-176-114.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.176.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83EC37BF26; Sun, 7 May 2000 14:47:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11982; Sun, 7 May 2000 14:56:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200005072156.OAA11982@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: obrien@freebsd.org Cc: Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 May 2000 10:28:48 PDT." <20000507102848.A35845@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 14:56:17 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 04:39:16PM +0200, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > OpenBSD only changed "rmt" to "rst" ("rsa" for us) > > Just "sa" for us -- "sa" is now a raw device and "rFOO" use is > depreciated. We had this argument the other day, and you clearly didn't understand. We have three devices for each tape drive: rsaX, ersaX and nrsaX. The 'r' prefix for tape devices is entirely unrelated to the 'r' prefix for disk devices. Please read the sa(4) manpage prior to its' corruption by a well-meaning but entirely ignorant committer. (Fixed, btw.) -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 14:48: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743DE37BB9A for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 14:47:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Received: from calcaphon.demon.co.uk ([193.237.19.5] helo=bluebottle.qubesoft.com) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12oYts-0009fn-0B for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:47:44 +0000 Received: from henny.webweaving.org (henny.qubesoft.com [192.168.1.5]) by bluebottle.qubesoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA00780 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 22:46:36 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by henny.webweaving.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA57121 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:42:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 21:42:45 +0100 (BST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@localhost Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: FreeBSD CURRENT Mailing List Subject: LINT broken. (in_cksum changes) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is it only me that ever compiles LINT? The checksum changes went in a few days ago. Please, people, when you move code around or change a function that is used in more than a fixed set of files, compile LINT. If unsure, compile LINT. It's an extra five minutes, but well worth it. linking kernel fil.o: In function `fr_tcpsum': fil.o(.text+0xf47): undefined reference to `in_cksum' ip_fil.o: In function `send_reset': ip_fil.o(.text+0xd7d): undefined reference to `in_cksum' ip_fil.o: In function `ipfr_fastroute': ip_fil.o(.text+0x10f1): undefined reference to `in_cksum' ip_fil.o(.text+0x1316): undefined reference to `in_cksum' ip_fil.o(.text+0x1380): undefined reference to `in_cksum' ip_mroute.o(.text+0x19d6): more undefined references to `in_cksum' follow I just couldn't be bothered to fix it. Nick -- n_hibma@webweaving.org n_hibma@freebsd.org USB project http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 15: 3:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB2C37BD57; Sun, 7 May 2000 15:03:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e47M3AY21671; Sun, 7 May 2000 17:03:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:03:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: Doug Barton Cc: Kris Kennaway , Forrest Aldrich , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RSA decrypt problems In-Reply-To: <3915C5AF.9DE22474@gorean.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 7 May 2000, Doug Barton wrote: # Ok, here are some silly questions. Did you create a private key for # this server, did you encrypt your cert with it, and is that .key file # pointed to in your httpd.conf config file? SSLCertificateKeyFile is what # you're looking for. http://www.modssl.org/related/ has some really good # resources for this, and their FAQ has step by step instructions for # creating and testing keys and certs that may help you track down where # in the process it's getting lost. I did create a key for my server with the following command ssh-keygen -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key I didn't encrypt a cert with it. This is on a test box and up until a few days ago the only steps I ever had to take were to install one of the apache13-*ssl ports, crank up apache, and it just worked. Of course this could be where I've gone astray, as it appears this no longer works. :) I've been using the 'Snake Oil' certs that come with these ports up until now, since the box is behind a firewall and not in production yet. # Also, did you install the openssl port, or are you using the openssl # that is part of the base in 4.0+? I vaguely remember you saying that you # were using the port. If so, cd to /usr/local/openssl and cp # openssl.cnf.sample to openssl.cnf. I'm not using the port. I'm using the bits that come with -current (and 4.0 on another box). At Kris' suggestion I did copy over an /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf file but that didn't seem to help with the problem I'm having. :( Thanks. -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 15: 3:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CACB737BA5E; Sun, 7 May 2000 15:03:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA38778; Sun, 7 May 2000 15:03:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 15:03:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Steve Price Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RSA decrypt problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 7 May 2000, Steve Price wrote: > # Then: > # > # dumpasn1 file.der > > root@bonsai(/usr/local/etc/apache/ssl.key)# dumpasn1 server.key Nope, this is the .pem-encoded version. You need to decode it to .der using: openssl asn1parse -in server.key -out server.der before running dumpasn1 on it. Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 15:47:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B8D37BB14; Sun, 7 May 2000 15:47:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA60510; Sun, 7 May 2000 15:47:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <3915F286.6DD0067@gorean.org> Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 15:47:34 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0422 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Price Cc: Kris Kennaway , Forrest Aldrich , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RSA decrypt problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Price wrote: > > On Sun, 7 May 2000, Doug Barton wrote: > > # Ok, here are some silly questions. Did you create a private key for > # this server, did you encrypt your cert with it, and is that .key file > # pointed to in your httpd.conf config file? SSLCertificateKeyFile is what > # you're looking for. http://www.modssl.org/related/ has some really good > # resources for this, and their FAQ has step by step instructions for > # creating and testing keys and certs that may help you track down where > # in the process it's getting lost. > > I did create a key for my server with the following command > > ssh-keygen -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key ERrr... that's for ssh only. > I didn't encrypt a cert with it. This is on a test box and > up until a few days ago the only steps I ever had to take > were to install one of the apache13-*ssl ports, crank up apache, > and it just worked. Of course this could be where I've gone > astray, as it appears this no longer works. :) I'm not familiar with those ports, so I can't speak intelligently about them, however I've looked over the mod_ssl stuff, and they have pre-configured a whole certificate authority chain with the snake oil stuff so that you can test your installation of the binary(ies). However, that does you a disservice down the road when you have to do it for real. > # Also, did you install the openssl port, or are you using the openssl > # that is part of the base in 4.0+? I vaguely remember you saying that you > # were using the port. If so, cd to /usr/local/openssl and cp > # openssl.cnf.sample to openssl.cnf. > > I'm not using the port. I'm using the bits that come with > -current (and 4.0 on another box). At Kris' suggestion I > did copy over an /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf file but that didn't > seem to help with the problem I'm having. :( Well, it'll help, but you have to get down the road a bit before you notice how it helps you. :) Take a look at http://www.modssl.org/docs/2.6/ssl_faq.html#ToC28 which describes the process of creating real certificates. If this is to be a "real" secure server that will be visible on the internet, you'll want to follow those instructions pretty much to the letter (assuming you're using mod_ssl, or one of its ports). The way x509 works for secure servers is that you first create a "key" that is your server's unique signature. This is similar to the identity files created with ssh-keygen. Then you create a certificate that contains what is essentially your public key (actually a combination of your certificate's public key and your identity key's public part). You sign this certificate with your server's identity key, then send it to a certificate authority (read, "Verisign") which signs the certificate with its public key. Then you install the doubly signed certificate. The client browser is able to use the information in your certificate to A) confirm with the CA that your certificate really came from you, B) encrypt an offer of a session key/cipher for that session, and C) decrypt your acceptance of that offer. I'm oversimplifying this a bit, hopefully you get the idea. There is more info on the web pages I sent in my previous e-mail. HTH, Doug -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 16:16: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from merc94.us.sas.com (merc94.us.sas.com [149.173.6.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81B837BAFD for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:15:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwd@unx.sas.com) Received: from merc94.us.sas.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by merc94.us.sas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2651.58) id KLF616ZJ; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:15:56 -0400 Received: from 10.28.149.26 by merc94.us.sas.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Sun, 07 May 2000 19:15:56 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Received: from bb01f39.unx.sas.com by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA04797; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:15:56 -0400 Received: (from jwd@localhost) by bb01f39.unx.sas.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id TAA02702 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:15:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jwd) From: "John W. DeBoskey" Message-Id: <200005072315.TAA02702@bb01f39.unx.sas.com> Subject: make release failure during ports To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 19:15:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG fyi... ===> Creating README.html for tkrat-1.2 ===> mail/tkrat2 ===> Creating README.html for tkrat-2.0b9 ===> mail/wanderlust-emacs Error: Bad value of EMACS_PORT_NAME: emacs. Valid values are: Emacs family: emacs19 mule19 emacs20 XEmacs family: xemacs19 xemacs20 xemacs21 xemacs21-mule *** Error code 1 If no-one pops up with a "I know what's going on" I'll see if I can figure it ou. -John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 16:19:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422C437BB4E for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:19:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daemon@mips.inka.de) Received: from bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 12oaKy-0006Kb-00; Mon, 8 May 2000 01:19:48 +0200 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA56818 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:53:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1) Date: 8 May 2000 00:53:35 +0200 Message-ID: <8f4s5f$1nfa$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> References: <20000507102848.A35845@dragon.nuxi.com> <200005072156.OAA11982@mass.cdrom.com> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > The 'r' prefix for tape devices is entirely unrelated to the 'r' prefix > for disk devices. I'd like to see some backup for this assertion. Historically, BSD (up to 4.4) used to have mt block device, rewinding nmt block device, non-rewinding rmt character device, rewinding nrmt character device, non-rewinding which leaves little room to doubt. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 16:39:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (adsl-63-202-176-114.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.176.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C67F137BE5D for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:39:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12373; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:48:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200005072348.QAA12373@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1) In-reply-to: Your message of "08 May 2000 00:53:35 +0200." <8f4s5f$1nfa$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 16:48:36 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Mike Smith wrote: > > > The 'r' prefix for tape devices is entirely unrelated to the 'r' prefix > > for disk devices. > > I'd like to see some backup for this assertion. Historically, BSD > (up to 4.4) used to have > > mt block device, rewinding > nmt block device, non-rewinding > rmt character device, rewinding > nrmt character device, non-rewinding > > which leaves little room to doubt. Interesting. I've never encountered a tape device to which the buffer cache was applicable, except for the mythical SunOS swap-to-tape story, and the 'r' has always been "rewind" for as long as I can remember. We haven't made non-'r' devices since MAKEDEV rev 1.5. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 16:49:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail-2.sjc.telocity.net (mail-2.sjc.telocity.net [216.227.56.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFEE37B539 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:49:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from otter@otter.cc) Received: from otter.cc (dsl-216-227-91-85.telocity.com [216.227.91.85]) by mail-2.sjc.telocity.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17932; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3916015D.569FF421@otter.cc> Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 19:50:53 -0400 From: Otter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "John W. DeBoskey" Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make release failure during ports References: <200005072315.TAA02702@bb01f39.unx.sas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "John W. DeBoskey" wrote: > > fyi... > > ===> Creating README.html for tkrat-1.2 > ===> mail/tkrat2 > ===> Creating README.html for tkrat-2.0b9 > ===> mail/wanderlust-emacs > Error: Bad value of EMACS_PORT_NAME: emacs. > Valid values are: > Emacs family: emacs19 mule19 emacs20 > XEmacs family: xemacs19 xemacs20 xemacs21 xemacs21-mule > *** Error code 1 > > If no-one pops up with a "I know what's going on" I'll see if I > can figure it ou. > > -John John, Would this have anything to do with the ports upgrade recently? I notice I get errors trying to make some things, so I've just grabbed the tarball and done the job myself. I've found someimes I get an error: # make install -: You need to define PORTNAME and PORTVERSION instead of PKGNAME. (This port is too old for your bsd.port.mk, please update it to match your bsd.port.mk.) *** Error code 1 Yeah, I've done the cvsup thing several times, but there are still some ports with this error. Should I be pointing them out to port maintainers or is this an on-going fix due to the change? I'm not one claiming "I know what's going on" as you had hoped. I'm just some putz who has had a problem with some ports recently. -Otter ./~sig files available for an additional fee; and NO! I don't Yahoo! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 17: 0:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D850837B818; Sun, 7 May 2000 17:00:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e48005717317; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:00:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 19:00:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: jkh@freebsd.org Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: 'pkg_delete m4-1.1/' hangs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan, I've been experiencing a problem with 'pkg_delete m4-1.1/' hanging. Attached is a patch that fixes this problem, cleans the code up a bit (IMHO), and still covers all the corner cases like 'pkg_delete /var/db/pkg/m4-1.1//./..///' like the old code did. :) BTW, it appears pkg_info had a similar affliction so I fixed it too while I was here. -steve Index: delete/main.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/delete/main.c,v retrieving revision 1.17 diff -u -r1.17 main.c --- delete/main.c 2000/02/18 07:00:01 1.17 +++ delete/main.c 2000/05/07 23:45:05 @@ -83,24 +83,19 @@ /* Get all the remaining package names, if any */ while (*argv) { - if ((pkgs_split = rindex(*argv, (int)'/')) != NULL) { - while (!isalpha(*(pkgs_split + 1))) { - *pkgs_split = '\0'; - if ((pkgs_split = rindex(*argv, (int) '/')) == NULL) - pkgs_split = *argv; - } - if (pkgs_split != NULL) { - if (*pkgs_split == '/') - pkgs_split++; - *pkgs = pkgs_split; - pkgs++; - } - } - else { - *pkgs = *argv; - pkgs++; - } - argv++; + while ((pkgs_split = rindex(*argv, (int)'/')) != NULL) { + *pkgs_split++ = '\0'; + /* + * If character after the '/' is alphanumeric, then we've found the + * package name. Otherwise we've come across a trailing '/' and + * need to continue our quest. + */ + if (isalpha(*pkgs_split)) { + *argv = pkgs_split; + break; + } + } + *pkgs++ = *argv++; } /* If no packages, yelp */ Index: info/main.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/info/main.c,v retrieving revision 1.22 diff -u -r1.22 main.c --- info/main.c 2000/01/18 01:45:54 1.22 +++ info/main.c 2000/05/07 23:46:31 @@ -144,30 +144,20 @@ Flags = SHOW_COMMENT | SHOW_DESC | SHOW_REQBY; /* Get all the remaining package names, if any */ - while (*argv) - { - if( (pkgs_split = rindex(*argv, (int) '/')) != NULL ) - { - while( !isalpha(*(pkgs_split+1)) ) - { - *pkgs_split = '\0'; - if ( (pkgs_split = rindex(*argv, (int) '/')) == NULL) - pkgs_split = *argv; - } - if(pkgs_split != NULL) - { - if (*pkgs_split == '/') - pkgs_split++; - *pkgs = pkgs_split; - pkgs++; - } - } - else - { - *pkgs = *argv; - pkgs++; - } - argv++; + while (*argv) { + while ((pkgs_split = rindex(*argv, (int)'/')) != NULL) { + *pkgs_split++ = '\0'; + /* + * If character after the '/' is alphanumeric, then we've found the + * package name. Otherwise we've come across a trailing '/' and + * need to continue our quest. + */ + if (isalpha(*pkgs_split)) { + *argv = pkgs_split; + break; + } + } + *pkgs++ = *argv++; } /* If no packages, yelp */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 18: 1: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE6337BB3F; Sun, 7 May 2000 18:00:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id KAA63171; Mon, 8 May 2000 10:30:52 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:30:52 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith Cc: Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1) Message-ID: <20000508103052.H61921@freebie.lemis.com> References: <8f4s5f$1nfa$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <200005072348.QAA12373@mass.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <200005072348.QAA12373@mass.cdrom.com> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 7 May 2000 at 16:48:36 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >> Mike Smith wrote: >> >>> The 'r' prefix for tape devices is entirely unrelated to the 'r' prefix >>> for disk devices. >> >> I'd like to see some backup for this assertion. Historically, BSD >> (up to 4.4) used to have >> >> mt block device, rewinding >> nmt block device, non-rewinding >> rmt character device, rewinding >> nrmt character device, non-rewinding >> >> which leaves little room to doubt. > > Interesting. I've never encountered a tape device to which the buffer > cache was applicable, except for the mythical SunOS swap-to-tape story, > and the 'r' has always been "rewind" for as long as I can remember. I suspect that's an assumption on your part. I think we've come up with enough man pages to support naddy's statement. > We haven't made non-'r' devices since MAKEDEV rev 1.5. For good reasons :-) Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 18:30:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146BB37B848 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 18:30:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daemon@mips.inka.de) Received: from bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 12ocNI-0007uf-00; Mon, 8 May 2000 03:30:20 +0200 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA69091 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 May 2000 03:28:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1) Date: 8 May 2000 03:28:47 +0200 Message-ID: <8f558f$23er$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> References: <8f4s5f$1nfa$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <200005072348.QAA12373@mass.cdrom.com> <20000508103052.H61921@freebie.lemis.com> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > I suspect that's an assumption on your part. I think we've come up > with enough man pages to support naddy's statement. Which, btw, was drawn from inspection of MAKEDEV in the various 4.xBSD releases in the CSRG archives (Kirk's CD set). Personally, I take that as an authoritative source. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 18:53:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail-blue.research.att.com (mail-blue.research.att.com [135.207.30.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B861537B84C for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 18:53:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fenner@research.att.com) Received: from alliance.research.att.com (alliance.research.att.com [135.207.26.26]) by mail-blue.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3DD4CE0F; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from windsor.research.att.com (windsor.research.att.com [135.207.26.46]) by alliance.research.att.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA11790; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:52:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fenner Received: (from fenner@localhost) by windsor.research.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.5) id SAA09656; Sun, 7 May 2000 18:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005080150.SAA09656@windsor.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: dhesi@rahul.net Subject: Re: gratuituous arp for multiple IP addresses Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <20000504191638.64E077D0D@yellow.rahul.net> Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 18:50:50 -0700 Versions: dmail (solaris) 2.2g/makemail 2.9a Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE does the gratuitous ARP when ifconfig'ing an alias: fenestro# ifconfig de1 1.2.3.5 alias 18:35:47.269471 0:40:5:42:d6:de Broadcast arp 42: arp who-has 1.2.3.5 tell 1.2.3.5 FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE also does: mango# ifconfig xl0 135.197.2.250 netmask 255.255.255.255 alias 18:39:12.509125 0:10:4b:cc:83:5f Broadcast arp 42: arp who-has 135.197.2.250 tell 135.197.2.250 I'm not sure what this says; it's entirely possible that there are conditions under which it doesn't or it fails for some reason. For example, there was a certain failure mode with sending multicast leave messages; the packet would be sent to the chip to be sent and then the multicast filter would be changed causing the chip to reset and lose the packet that's currently being transmitted. Adding an alias shouldn't cause the chip to be reset so that's not likely to be the exact problem, but perhaps something similar is happening. Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 19:17:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from yellow.rahul.net (yellow.rahul.net [192.160.13.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3099B37B84C for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:17:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhesi@rahul.net) Received: by yellow.rahul.net (Postfix, from userid 104) id 1C8AA7C26; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yellow.rahul.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125967C22; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 19:17:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Rahul Dhesi To: Bill Fenner Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gratuituous arp for multiple IP addresses In-Reply-To: <200005080150.SAA09656@windsor.research.att.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG By "gratuituous arp" I was really saying "gratuitous arp reply". The machine needs to send a packet of the type arp reply 1.2.3.5 is-at 0:40:5:42:d6:de Rahul On Sun, 7 May 2000, Bill Fenner wrote: > fenestro# ifconfig de1 1.2.3.5 alias > 18:35:47.269471 0:40:5:42:d6:de Broadcast arp 42: arp who-has 1.2.3.5 tell 1.2.3.5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 19:29:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749A537B925; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:29:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01438; Sun, 7 May 2000 22:29:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 22:29:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200005080229.WAA01438@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Steve Price Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 'pkg_delete m4-1.1/' hangs In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: > I've been experiencing a problem with 'pkg_delete m4-1.1/' > hanging. Attached is a patch that fixes this problem, cleans > the code up a bit (IMHO), and still covers all the corner > cases like 'pkg_delete /var/db/pkg/m4-1.1//./..///' like the > old code did. :) It wouldn't cover the particular obscure case, but this is the sort of thing that SUSv2's basename(3) would be appropriate for. I have an implementation waiting in the wings.... -GAWollman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 19:31:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail-green.research.att.com (H-135-207-30-103.research.att.com [135.207.30.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7423D37B71D for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:31:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fenner@research.att.com) Received: from alliance.research.att.com (alliance.research.att.com [135.207.26.26]) by mail-green.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426FD1E003; Sun, 7 May 2000 22:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from windsor.research.att.com (windsor.research.att.com [135.207.26.46]) by alliance.research.att.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA13970; Sun, 7 May 2000 22:31:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fenner Received: (from fenner@localhost) by windsor.research.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.5) id TAA09785; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005080230.TAA09785@windsor.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: dhesi@rahul.net Subject: Re: gratuituous arp for multiple IP addresses Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 19:30:14 -0700 Versions: dmail (solaris) 2.2g/makemail 2.9a Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >By "gratuituous arp" I was really saying "gratuitous arp reply". >The machine needs to send a packet of the type > > arp reply 1.2.3.5 is-at 0:40:5:42:d6:de The ARP processing specified in RFC 826 says that if you have an entry for the source IP address you update the hardware address no matter what the opcode is (i.e. you can update your tables due to a request). Every IP stack I've seen implements gratuitous ARP by sending a broadcast request for itself. In normal ARP operation, replies are unicast so conceivably an implementation that doesn't expect a broadcast reply might drop it. Requests are normally broadcasted, and the ARP processing rules cause broadcasted requests to update existing tables, so a broadcasted request is a better choice for a gratuitous arp. tcpdump hides too much information in an attempt to make things look pretty; it doesn't show the fact that the MAC information is included in a gratuitous ARP. Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 19:36:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF1F37BCC2; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:35:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e482Zo420535; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:35:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 21:35:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: Garrett Wollman Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 'pkg_delete m4-1.1/' hangs In-Reply-To: <200005080229.WAA01438@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 7 May 2000, Garrett Wollman wrote: # It wouldn't cover the particular obscure case, but this is the sort of It was a pretty bizarre case, but the old code did cover this. Not saying whether I think it to be correct or not but... :) # thing that SUSv2's basename(3) would be appropriate for. I have an # implementation waiting in the wings.... Cool. I'd like to see a fix get into RELENG_[34] and HEAD so having a fix that doesn't require a new libc is probably more appropriate for the RELEASE'd branches at least. -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 19:40:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from yellow.rahul.net (yellow.rahul.net [192.160.13.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13CF37BC04 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:40:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhesi@rahul.net) Received: by yellow.rahul.net (Postfix, from userid 104) id 961B97C37; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yellow.rahul.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BEBF7C36; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 19:40:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Rahul Dhesi To: Bill Fenner Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gratuituous arp for multiple IP addresses In-Reply-To: <200005080230.TAA09785@windsor.research.att.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, I stand corrected. Rahul On Sun, 7 May 2000, Bill Fenner wrote: > > >By "gratuituous arp" I was really saying "gratuitous arp reply". > >The machine needs to send a packet of the type > > > > arp reply 1.2.3.5 is-at 0:40:5:42:d6:de > > The ARP processing specified in RFC 826 says that if you have an entry for > the source IP address you update the hardware address no matter what the > opcode is (i.e. you can update your tables due to a request). Every IP > stack I've seen implements gratuitous ARP by sending a broadcast request > for itself. In normal ARP operation, replies are unicast so conceivably > an implementation that doesn't expect a broadcast reply might drop it. > Requests are normally broadcasted, and the ARP processing rules cause > broadcasted requests to update existing tables, so a broadcasted request > is a better choice for a gratuitous arp. > > tcpdump hides too much information in an attempt to make things look > pretty; it doesn't show the fact that the MAC information is included > in a gratuitous ARP. > > Bill > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 23:10:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 709A937BCE5 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 23:10:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from culverk@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac10.wam.umd.edu (root@rac10.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.150]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA00977 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 02:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac10.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac10.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA15501 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 02:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (culverk@localhost) by rac10.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA15497 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 02:10:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac10.wam.umd.edu: culverk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 02:10:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Wayne Culver To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: proposed pkg_delete change Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a suggestion for pkg_delete: Very often when I'm deleting a package (such as kde, after testing the port) I want to delete that package, and all it's dependancies; instead of going around looking for the dependancies, I think it would be a nice idea to add an option to pkg_delete to automatically delete all dependancies that aren't currently used by anything else. If nobody is interested in doing this, I can do it when I have some spare time (finals here at school). And then submit patches. ================================================================= | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best OS around. | | Unix Systems Administrator | ICQ #: 24767726 | | and student at The | AIM: muythaibxr | | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under Construction) | | College Park. | http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/| ================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 23:27:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from bilby.prth.tensor.pgs.com (bilby.prth.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.232.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30A4C37B76F; Sun, 7 May 2000 23:27:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shocking@ugly.prth.tensor.pgs.com) Received: from bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com (bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.224.1]) by bilby.prth.tensor.pgs.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02417; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:24:42 +0800 (WST) Received: from prth.pgs.com (IDENT:root@ugly [157.147.225.240]) by bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02181; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:27:01 +0800 (WST) Received: from ugly (IDENT:shocking@localhost.prth.tensor.pgs.com [127.0.0.1]) by prth.pgs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03183; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:27:01 +0800 Message-Id: <200005080627.OAA03183@prth.pgs.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: msmith@freebsd.org Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 14:27:01 +0800 From: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS SPS Perth Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The Pyramid series of machines used to have block tape devices, such that one was able to boot a repair kernel and ro root fs off the 1600bpi reel-to-reel deck. Not unaturally, one was discouraged from doing a recursive find on that fs. Stephen (who used to have thoughts of doing the same with his old QIC-150) -- The views expressed above are not those of PGS Tensor. "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." Robert Wilensky, University of California -- The views expressed above are not those of PGS Tensor. "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." Robert Wilensky, University of California To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 7 23:36:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8F137B6B7 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 23:36:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA62770 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 23:36:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <3916607D.8A410AC6@gorean.org> Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 23:36:45 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0422 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: world breakage in usr.bin/kdump Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Got the following with up to the minute sources: cc -O -pipe -I/usr/amd/realmounts/slave/usr/current/src/usr.bin/kdump/../ktrace -I/usr/amd/realmounts/slave/usr/current/src/usr.bin/kdump/../.. -c /usr/amd/realmounts/slave/usr/current/src/usr.bin/kdump/kdump.c sh /usr/amd/realmounts/slave/usr/current/src/usr.bin/kdump/mkioctls /usr/include > ioctl.c In file included from :55: /usr/include/sys/memrange.h:18: warning: `MDF_ACTIVE' redefined /usr/include/pccard/cardinfo.h:80: warning: this is the location of the previous definition In file included from :66: /usr/include/sys/wormio.h:102: warning: `CDRIOCBLANK' redefined /usr/include/sys/cdrio.h:59: warning: this is the location of the previous definition make: don't know how to make /usr/obj/usr/amd/realmounts/slave/usr/current/src/i386/usr/include/machine/random.h. Stop -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 0:18:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10B937B8BA for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:18:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adsharma@sharmas.dhs.org) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by sharmas.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00323 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:18:20 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 00:18:20 -0700 From: Arun Sharma To: FreeBSD Current Subject: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks Message-ID: <20000508001820.A308@sharmas.dhs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have the following disk: ad4: 9787MB [19885/16/63] at ata2-master using UDMA33 and am experiencing hangs when I run it with UDMA66. I originally suspected this to be a cooling problem. But uncommenting the hlt instruction and reducing the temperature by 10 deg C, didn't help it. I read the threads from Feb, where it was said that non IBM disks had problems with the UDMA66 code in FreeBSD. Some of you said that the disks worked just fine with other OSes. I'd like to know if there has been a change in status of the UDMA66 code. The specific error messages before the hang: ad4: READ command timeout - resetting ata2: resetting devices -Arun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 0:44:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9DDA37B8BA for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:44:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA52151; Mon, 8 May 2000 09:44:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <200005080744.JAA52151@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks In-Reply-To: <20000508001820.A308@sharmas.dhs.org> from Arun Sharma at "May 8, 2000 00:18:20 am" To: adsharma@sharmas.dhs.org (Arun Sharma) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 09:44:07 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Current) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It seems Arun Sharma wrote: > I have the following disk: > ad4: 9787MB [19885/16/63] at ata2-master using UDMA33 > and am experiencing hangs when I run it with UDMA66. That exact disk model cant do UDMA66 reliably, even Linux has it on the blacklist in the driver.... > I read the threads from Feb, where it was said that non IBM disks > had problems with the UDMA66 code in FreeBSD. Some of you said that > the disks worked just fine with other OSes. Not all non IBM disks has problems, that was not the message back then, at least not from me. What I said, and still says, is that Maxtor and WDC has a bad reputation on making drives that can't work reliably with UDMA66, quantum has its share too but not so bad. IBM's on the other hand works as expected... > I'd like to know if there has been a change in status of the UDMA66 > code. Not really, and it wont solve your particular problem, you should just run that disk as UDMA33 and it should work... -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 0:58:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DB6AC37B76F for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:58:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 53752 invoked by uid 1001); 8 May 2000 07:57:54 +0000 (GMT) To: sos@freebsd.dk Cc: adsharma@sharmas.dhs.org, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 8 May 2000 09:44:07 +0200 (CEST)" References: <200005080744.JAA52151@freebsd.dk> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 09:57:54 +0200 Message-ID: <53750.957772674@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Not all non IBM disks has problems, that was not the message back > then, at least not from me. What I said, and still says, is that > Maxtor and WDC has a bad reputation on making drives that can't work > reliably with UDMA66, quantum has its share too but not so bad. There are some WDC disks that work nicely. This is from a BP6 board too: ad0: 26105MB [53040/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33 ad1: 26105MB [53040/16/63] at ata1-master using UDMA33 ad2: 26105MB [53040/16/63] at ata2-master using UDMA66 ad3: 26105MB [53040/16/63] at ata3-master using UDMA66 As far as I know, the WD273BA is in reality a DPTA-372730 in disguise, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Anybody know if it's possible to put the original IBM firmware on these disks? Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 1: 0:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFAE037BE64 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 01:00:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24269; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:59:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200005080759.AAA24269@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks In-Reply-To: <200005080744.JAA52151@freebsd.dk> from Soren Schmidt at "May 8, 2000 09:44:07 am" To: sos@freebsd.dk (Soren Schmidt) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 00:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Cc: adsharma@sharmas.dhs.org (Arun Sharma), freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Current) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Charset ISO-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > It seems Arun Sharma wrote: > > I have the following disk: > > ad4: 9787MB [19885/16/63] at ata2-master using UDMA33 > > and am experiencing hangs when I run it with UDMA66. > > That exact disk model cant do UDMA66 reliably, even Linux has it > on the blacklist in the driver.... > > > I read the threads from Feb, where it was said that non IBM disks > > had problems with the UDMA66 code in FreeBSD. Some of you said that > > the disks worked just fine with other OSes. > > Not all non IBM disks has problems, that was not the message back > then, at least not from me. What I said, and still says, is that > Maxtor and WDC has a bad reputation on making drives that can't work > reliably with UDMA66, quantum has its share too but not so bad. > IBM's on the other hand works as expected... Perhaps that is why Western Digital has gotten the nick name around here of ``We Don't Care''. :-) In all seriousness we stopped using WD drives in the retail store front computers over 2 years ago due to they problems we have had with them. Been using Fujitsu with very good luck, and IBM on the higher end and been very happy with them. We use to be big in Quantum scsi drives, but with IBM finally getting it's supplier side act togeather as far as channel avaliability of the SCSI products we've switched the AAI commercial server side over to them. I can't remeber when the last problem was, ohh.. yea... 1 doa unit out of 32 drives, probably caused during the assembly process of stuffing them in the kingston canisters (a not too gental operation). Infact now that I think about it that is the only problem we have had with IBM drives in over 500 units sold. Not bad, thats a .2% AQL, something I don't recall seeing in any disk drive product line we have used over the last 8 years !! -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 2:34:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9476237B65F for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 02:34:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA11309; Mon, 8 May 2000 02:30:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Kenneth Wayne Culver Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: proposed pkg_delete change In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 May 2000 02:10:28 EDT." Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 02:30:59 -0700 Message-ID: <11306.957778259@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I have a suggestion for pkg_delete: Very often when I'm deleting a package > (such as kde, after testing the port) I want to delete that package, and > all it's dependancies; instead of going around looking for the > dependancies, I think it would be a nice idea to add an option to > pkg_delete to automatically delete all dependancies that aren't currently > used by anything else. That would be cool, yes. If you've got the time to do it, I think it would be well-worth the effort. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 4:39:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mppsystems.com (mppsystems.com [208.210.148.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1E737B8D6 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 04:39:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mppsystems.com) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mppsystems.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA65123; Mon, 8 May 2000 06:39:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 06:39:36 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard To: Kenneth Wayne Culver Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: proposed pkg_delete change Message-ID: <20000508063936.E64839@mppsystems.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from culverk@wam.umd.edu on Mon, May 08, 2000 at 02:10:28AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 02:10:28AM -0400, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: > I have a suggestion for pkg_delete: Very often when I'm deleting a package > (such as kde, after testing the port) I want to delete that package, and > all it's dependancies; instead of going around looking for the > dependancies, I think it would be a nice idea to add an option to > pkg_delete to automatically delete all dependancies that aren't currently > used by anything else. If nobody is interested in doing this, I can do it > when I have some spare time (finals here at school). And then submit > patches. That would have saved me a *lot* of time about a month ago when I went and weeded out all of my packages when my /usr filled up. I basically did what you are proposing by hand and it took forever. e.g. pkg_delete some_package - oops, it depends on pkg_xxx, delete that, oops, it depends on pkg_xxx2, and so on, when in reality that only reason any of those additional packages were installed were for the original package. -Mike -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.org or mpp@mppsystems.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 4:51:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4764037B8DD for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 04:51:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (sji-ca7-07.ix.netcom.com [209.109.235.7]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA14937; Mon, 8 May 2000 07:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.6.9) id EAA34223; Mon, 8 May 2000 04:51:28 -0700 (PDT) To: Kenneth Wayne Culver Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: proposed pkg_delete change References: From: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) Date: 08 May 2000 04:51:26 -0700 In-Reply-To: Kenneth Wayne Culver's message of "Mon, 8 May 2000 02:10:28 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 37 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.6 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * From: Kenneth Wayne Culver * dependancies, I think it would be a nice idea to add an option to * pkg_delete to automatically delete all dependancies that aren't currently * used by anything else. If nobody is interested in doing this, I can do it Be careful about that "aren't currently used by anything else" part. If you already had a port A installed, and then later installed B (which just happens to depend on A), you could get A erased when you erase B. You probably need to change pkg_add too, so that it will note somewhere on A's dependency list that it was installed by which port, and let pkg_delete check it. It usually goes like this: @ install B, pkg_add installs A too, and mark A that it was "installed by B" @ deinstall B, pkg_delete checks A, finds the mark and deletes it too While, if you had installed A beforehand, it will be like: @ install A (...few months pass...) @ install B, nothing special happens re the flag @ deinstall B, pkg_delete checks A and doesn't find the flag, so doesn't delete it You can also add a flag to pkg_delete to override said check in case you know you installed A just for the purpose of installing B. If you come up with the file format and patches to pkg_*, I'll modify bsd.port.mk so it will DTRT on dependencies installed by "make install". Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 5:53:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from bunyip.flash.net (bunyip.flash.net [209.30.2.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A2D37B5EF for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 05:53:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fosburgh@flash.net) Received: from penelope.flash.net (penelope.flash.net [209.30.6.71]) by bunyip.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29710; Mon, 8 May 2000 07:53:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 07:53:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200005081253.HAA29710@bunyip.flash.net> From: fosburgh@flash.net Organization: FlashNet Communications X-Mailer: FlashNet My/Mail 1.1.2 - 7/29/99 X-Sender: fosburgh@flash.net MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kenneth Wayne Culver Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: proposed pkg_delete change Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon May 8 01:10:28 2000, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: > I have a suggestion for pkg_delete: Very often when I'm deleting a package > (such as kde, after testing the port) I want to delete that package, and > all it's dependancies; instead of going around looking for the > dependancies, I think it would be a nice idea to add an option to > pkg_delete to automatically delete all dependancies that aren't currently > used by anything else. If nobody is interested in doing this, I can do it > when I have some spare time (finals here at school). And then submit > patches. > > ================================================================= > | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best OS around. | > | Unix Systems Administrator | ICQ #: 24767726 | > | and student at The | AIM: muythaibxr | > | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under Construction) | > | College Park. | http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/| > ================================================================= > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message You may want to look into pkg_remove which I believe is in the ports system. It does basically what you are looking for, although I have not used it often enough to see how it handles things like multiple levels of dependencies (though, for the record, it did delete everything depending on qt 1 when I upgraded all of my qt/kde stuff a few months ago). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 7: 6:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua [212.9.224.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF6137BB01 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 07:06:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Received: from altavista.net (dialup4-51.iptelecom.net.ua [212.9.226.243]) by ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11905 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 17:07:05 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <3916CAB5.925C1275@altavista.net> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 17:09:57 +0300 From: Maxim Sobolev Organization: Home, sweet home X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: uk,ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@freebsd.org Subject: proposed pkg_info change Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I've just submitted patches (bin/18445) to introduce additional option to the pkg_info, which would allow query size of installed packages. Any reviews, comments critics etc. are highly appreciated. -Maxim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 8:11:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from tomts3-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts3.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4994C37B9B9 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 08:11:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) Received: from Hamilton-ppp44812.sympatico.ca ([209.226.183.27]) by tomts3-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with ESMTP id <20000508151130.XJQA24624.tomts3-srv.bellnexxia.net@Hamilton-ppp44812.sympatico.ca>; Mon, 8 May 2000 11:11:30 -0400 Received: (from tim@localhost) by Hamilton-ppp44812.sympatico.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA31040; Mon, 8 May 2000 11:11:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:11:27 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: culverk@wam.umd.edu, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: proposed pkg_delete change Message-ID: <20000508111127.A30275@Hamilton-ppp44812.sympatico.ca> References: <11306.957778259@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <11306.957778259@localhost>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Mon, May 08, 2000 at 02:30:59AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 02:30:59AM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > (such as kde, after testing the port) I want to delete that package, and > > all it's dependancies; instead of going around looking for the [...] > That would be cool, yes. If you've got the time to do it, I think > it would be well-worth the effort. Even cooler: A tree-like drawing of the dependency graph, allowing me to do right-click-->toggle keep/erase for given port left-click-->select port and all dependencies for erasure (excluding dependencies shared by another port not previously left-clicked) -- Signature withheld by request of author. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 8:45:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ct.home.com [24.2.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D5937B713 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 08:45:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsikora@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.2.168.186]) by mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000508154536.SSRR18096.mail.rdc1.ct.home.com@home.com>; Mon, 8 May 2000 08:45:36 -0700 Message-ID: <3916E179.8C784F86@home.com> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 11:47:05 -0400 From: Ted Sikora Reply-To: tsikora@powerusersbbs.com Organization: Jtl Development X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rodney W. Grimes" , "current@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks References: <200005080759.AAA24269@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: > > [Charset ISO-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > > It seems Arun Sharma wrote: > > > I have the following disk: > > > ad4: 9787MB [19885/16/63] at ata2-master using UDMA33 > > > and am experiencing hangs when I run it with UDMA66. > > > > That exact disk model cant do UDMA66 reliably, even Linux has it > > on the blacklist in the driver.... > > > > > I read the threads from Feb, where it was said that non IBM disks > > > had problems with the UDMA66 code in FreeBSD. Some of you said that > > > the disks worked just fine with other OSes. > > > > Not all non IBM disks has problems, that was not the message back > > then, at least not from me. What I said, and still says, is that > > Maxtor and WDC has a bad reputation on making drives that can't work > > reliably with UDMA66, quantum has its share too but not so bad. > > IBM's on the other hand works as expected... > > Perhaps that is why Western Digital has gotten the nick name around > here of ``We Don't Care''. :-) In all seriousness we stopped using > WD drives in the retail store front computers over 2 years ago due to > they problems we have had with them. Been using Fujitsu with very > good luck, and IBM on the higher end and been very happy with them. > > We use to be big in Quantum scsi drives, but with IBM finally getting > it's supplier side act togeather as far as channel avaliability of the > SCSI products we've switched the AAI commercial server side over to them. > I can't remeber when the last problem was, ohh.. yea... 1 doa unit out > of 32 drives, probably caused during the assembly process of stuffing > them in the kingston canisters (a not too gental operation). Infact > now that I think about it that is the only problem we have had with > IBM drives in over 500 units sold. Not bad, thats a .2% AQL, something > I don't recall seeing in any disk drive product line we have used over > the last 8 years !! We have had the same luck with IBM also. Maxtor(Diamond Max Plus) is also very close. Except for several 15GB models(we since have dropped that model) we have seen a 0 failure rate with them. I don't recall ever seeing quality, price and performance like we do now. The same goes for several brands of motherboards too. This has to be the PC's golden age. Look at memory prices and quality. 1GB of PC133 can be had for under $900 and again with the assurance that a failure would be pretty rare. Regards, -- Ted Sikora Jtl Development Group tsikora@powerusersbbs.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 8:52:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61A937B6E6; Mon, 8 May 2000 08:52:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06599; Mon, 8 May 2000 08:52:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA62838; Mon, 8 May 2000 08:52:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 08:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005081552.IAA62838@vashon.polstra.com> To: msmith@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1) In-Reply-To: <200005072348.QAA12373@mass.cdrom.com> References: <200005072348.QAA12373@mass.cdrom.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: current@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <200005072348.QAA12373@mass.cdrom.com>, Mike Smith wrote: > > Interesting. I've never encountered a tape device to which the buffer > cache was applicable, except for the mythical SunOS swap-to-tape story, Back in the days when Unix ran on PDP-11s you could actually put a filesystem on a tape and mount it -- if you were insane enough to sit there and wait for it. The block devices were intended for that. > and the 'r' has always been "rewind" for as long as I can remember. I think you're mistaken. Unix tape devices traditionally rewound by default on their last close. The non-rewind device has historically had an "n" in front of it (when it existed at all). E.g., /dev/rmt0 was a character device which rewound on last close, while /dev/nrmt0 was a character device which did not rewind on last close. There was also a /dev/mt0 which was a block device that rewound on last close, and a /dev/nmt0 which ... well, you get the idea. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. 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Hubbard" Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: proposed pkg_delete change In-Reply-To: <11306.957778259@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I have a suggestion for pkg_delete: Very often when I'm deleting a > package > (such as kde, after testing the port) I want to delete that > package, and > all it's dependancies; instead of going around looking > for the > dependancies, I think it would be a nice idea to add an > option to > pkg_delete to automatically delete all dependancies that > aren't currently > used by anything else. > > That would be cool, yes. If you've got the time to do it, I think > it would be well-worth the effort. Alright, I'll get on it probably in 2 weeks when finals are over. Ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 9:42:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from majordomo2.umd.edu (majordomo2.umd.edu [128.8.10.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3872837B977; Mon, 8 May 2000 09:42:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from culverk@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu (root@rac5.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.145]) by majordomo2.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04206; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac5.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA14150; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (culverk@localhost) by rac5.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14142; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:42:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac5.wam.umd.edu: culverk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:42:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Wayne Culver To: Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: proposed pkg_delete change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sounds good to me, again, I won't be doing anything for the next 2 weeks except studying for finals, but as soon as I'm finished, I'll work on the changes to the pkg_ commands to get the working this way. ================================================================= | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best OS around. | | Unix Systems Administrator | ICQ #: 24767726 | | and student at The | AIM: muythaibxr | | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under Construction) | | College Park. | http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/| ================================================================= On 8 May 2000, Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami wrote: > * From: Kenneth Wayne Culver > > * dependancies, I think it would be a nice idea to add an option to > * pkg_delete to automatically delete all dependancies that aren't currently > * used by anything else. If nobody is interested in doing this, I can do it > > Be careful about that "aren't currently used by anything else" part. > If you already had a port A installed, and then later installed B > (which just happens to depend on A), you could get A erased when you > erase B. > > You probably need to change pkg_add too, so that it will note > somewhere on A's dependency list that it was installed by which port, > and let pkg_delete check it. > > It usually goes like this: > > @ install B, pkg_add installs A too, and mark A that it was > "installed by B" > @ deinstall B, pkg_delete checks A, finds the mark and deletes it too > > While, if you had installed A beforehand, it will be like: > > @ install A > (...few months pass...) > @ install B, nothing special happens re the flag > @ deinstall B, pkg_delete checks A and doesn't find the flag, so > doesn't delete it > > You can also add a flag to pkg_delete to override said check in case > you know you installed A just for the purpose of installing B. > > If you come up with the file format and patches to pkg_*, I'll modify > bsd.port.mk so it will DTRT on dependencies installed by "make > install". > > Satoshi > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 10:18:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (adsl-63-202-176-114.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.176.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB69037B9ED for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 10:18:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15261; Mon, 8 May 2000 10:26:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200005081726.KAA15261@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Rahul Dhesi Cc: Bill Fenner , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gratuituous arp for multiple IP addresses In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 May 2000 19:17:54 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 10:26:55 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > By "gratuituous arp" I was really saying "gratuitous arp reply". > The machine needs to send a packet of the type > > arp reply 1.2.3.5 is-at 0:40:5:42:d6:de > > Rahul That won't achieve the desired result, which is to complain if someone _else_ replies to the arp request that we send. The above is achieved by virtue of sending the ARP request (anyone watching ARP messages will learn that we are the address in the "tell x.x.x.x" field). What we're trying to provoke is someone else saying x.x.x.x is-at xx.xx.xx.xx.xx.xx, which will result in a console message on our system informing the administrator that someone else is already using that IP address. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 11:26:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BAE37B8D3 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 11:26:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from culverk@wam.umd.edu) Received: from sun20epsl.wam.umd.edu (root@sun20epsl.wam.umd.edu [128.8.71.30]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27880 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun20epsl.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun20epsl.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA19108 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (culverk@localhost) by sun20epsl.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19104 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:26:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun20epsl.wam.umd.edu: culverk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:26:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Wayne Culver To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: a better idea for package dependencies Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Instead of automatically deleteing the dependencies, I think maybe it would be better to (with the use of a commandline switch) ask the user deleting the packages if he/she wants to delete a certain dependency, without letting the user delete the dependency if some other package also uses it. (Does this make sense?) For example: pkg_delete -d package-version (or some other unused switch for dependancy) remove pkg_version_dependant [Y] ? y removed! remove pkg_version_dependant2 [Y] ? y error: some_other_package depends on pkg_version_dependant2! prompt> Is this a good behavior, or should it be more automatic? I like this because it allows the user to choose if he/she wants to delete certain dependancies, and won't let them delete those dependancies if something else also uses them... ================================================================= | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best OS around. | | Unix Systems Administrator | ICQ #: 24767726 | | and student at The | AIM: muythaibxr | | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under Construction) | | College Park. | http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/| ================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 11:57:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C67337BB70; Mon, 8 May 2000 11:57:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@c01-132.006.popsite.net [216.126.134.132]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22205; Mon, 8 May 2000 11:57:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA51807; Mon, 8 May 2000 11:58:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:58:06 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: "Jeroen C. van Gelderen" Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Small MAKEDEV bug Message-ID: <20000508115806.C51478@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3913D862.960037A1@altavista.net> <20000507165946.F86113@lucifer.bart.nl> <20000507104224.D35845@dragon.nuxi.com> <3915C38B.1E8614AB@vangelderen.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3915C38B.1E8614AB@vangelderen.org>; from jeroen@vangelderen.org on Sun, May 07, 2000 at 03:27:07PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 03:27:07PM -0400, Jeroen C. van Gelderen wrote: > Or just settle for a more intuitive solution: > MAKEDEV acd2 creates /dev/acd2 > MAKEDEV 2 acd creates /dev/acd[01] > which would allow for "MAKEDEV 64 da" and "MAKEDEV 256 pty" I agree with this syntax and after sending my message to you, was sitting there thinking "MAKEDEV " would make a really nice clear syntax. If you can get BDE's buy-in and other BSD traditionalists I think this would be great. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 12: 6:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F6A37C07A; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:06:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost.freebsd.dk [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19909; Mon, 8 May 2000 21:05:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: "Jeroen C. van Gelderen" , Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Small MAKEDEV bug In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 May 2000 11:58:06 PDT." <20000508115806.C51478@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 21:05:58 +0200 Message-ID: <19907.957812758@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000508115806.C51478@dragon.nuxi.com>, "David O'Brien" writes: >On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 03:27:07PM -0400, Jeroen C. van Gelderen wrote: >> Or just settle for a more intuitive solution: >> MAKEDEV acd2 creates /dev/acd2 >> MAKEDEV 2 acd creates /dev/acd[01] >> which would allow for "MAKEDEV 64 da" and "MAKEDEV 256 pty" > >I agree with this syntax and after sending my message to you, was sitting >there thinking "MAKEDEV " would make a really >nice clear syntax. If you can get BDE's buy-in and other BSD >traditionalists I think this would be great. Make it MAKEDEV - and there will be no ambiguity. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD coreteam member | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 12:13:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from yellow.rahul.net (yellow.rahul.net [192.160.13.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730F537B5FC; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:13:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhesi@rahul.net) Received: by yellow.rahul.net (Postfix, from userid 104) id 6E25F7C21; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yellow.rahul.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640847C26; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:13:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Rahul Dhesi To: Mike Smith Cc: Bill Fenner , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gratuituous arp for multiple IP addresses In-Reply-To: <200005081726.KAA15261@mass.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I stand corrected again, as needed. The gratuituous arp should be formatted in whatever the correct way is. The machine that encountered loss of connectivity due to interface IPs being swapped is running 3.4-STABLE that was cvsup'd on January 7, 2000. If in fact some change was made in the sending of gratuituous arp since them to correct the problem, then nothing more needs to be done. Perhaps it would be useful for 'ifconfig' to have an option to send a gratuituous arp upon request by the user, without having to reconfigure any IP address. Rahul On Mon, 8 May 2000, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > By "gratuituous arp" I was really saying "gratuitous arp reply". > > The machine needs to send a packet of the type > > > > arp reply 1.2.3.5 is-at 0:40:5:42:d6:de > > > > Rahul > > That won't achieve the desired result, which is to complain if someone > _else_ replies to the arp request that we send. > > The above is achieved by virtue of sending the ARP request (anyone > watching ARP messages will learn that we are the address in the "tell > x.x.x.x" field). What we're trying to provoke is someone else saying > x.x.x.x is-at xx.xx.xx.xx.xx.xx, which will result in a console message > on our system informing the administrator that someone else is already > using that IP address. > > -- > \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith > \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 12:29: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from cypherpunks.ai (cypherpunks.ai [209.88.68.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77BA837BB99; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:28:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeroen@vangelderen.org) Received: from vangelderen.org (grolsch.ai [209.88.68.214]) by cypherpunks.ai (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8460F49; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:28:57 -0400 (AST) Message-ID: <39171582.BD855B3E@vangelderen.org> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 15:29:06 -0400 From: "Jeroen C. van Gelderen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven , current@FreeBSD.ORG, bde@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Small MAKEDEV bug References: <3913D862.960037A1@altavista.net> <20000507165946.F86113@lucifer.bart.nl> <20000507104224.D35845@dragon.nuxi.com> <3915C38B.1E8614AB@vangelderen.org> <20000508115806.C51478@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David O'Brien wrote: > > On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 03:27:07PM -0400, Jeroen C. van Gelderen wrote: > > Or just settle for a more intuitive solution: > > MAKEDEV acd2 creates /dev/acd2 > > MAKEDEV 2 acd creates /dev/acd[01] > > which would allow for "MAKEDEV 64 da" and "MAKEDEV 256 pty" > > I agree with this syntax and after sending my message to you, was sitting > there thinking "MAKEDEV " would make a really > nice clear syntax. If you can get BDE's buy-in and other BSD > traditionalists I think this would be great. The good part of this solution is that it's backwards compatible. If the first argument is an integer and the second a device name without a suffix we do the new thing, if not we revert to the traditional behaviour. bde: what do you think? Cheers, Jeroen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 12:34: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from cypherpunks.ai (cypherpunks.ai [209.88.68.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC6837BB99; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:34:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeroen@vangelderen.org) Received: from vangelderen.org (grolsch.ai [209.88.68.214]) by cypherpunks.ai (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4D749; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:34:03 -0400 (AST) Message-ID: <391716B4.BE21A10B@vangelderen.org> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 15:34:12 -0400 From: "Jeroen C. van Gelderen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Small MAKEDEV bug References: <19907.957812758@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > In message <20000508115806.C51478@dragon.nuxi.com>, "David O'Brien" writes: > >On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 03:27:07PM -0400, Jeroen C. van Gelderen wrote: > >> Or just settle for a more intuitive solution: > >> MAKEDEV acd2 creates /dev/acd2 > >> MAKEDEV 2 acd creates /dev/acd[01] > >> which would allow for "MAKEDEV 64 da" and "MAKEDEV 256 pty" > > > >I agree with this syntax and after sending my message to you, was sitting > >there thinking "MAKEDEV " would make a really > >nice clear syntax. If you can get BDE's buy-in and other BSD > >traditionalists I think this would be great. > > Make it > MAKEDEV - > and there will be no ambiguity. I'm confused, what ambiguity does it remove exactly? There are no device names that parse as a valid integer, are there? The problem I see with your solution is that it makes the count look optional while it isn't. If you really need to avoid ambuigity and accept the fact that a count can look optional, I'd use "-n " as the count in your suggestion looks like a negative number... Does that make sense? Cheers, Jeroen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 12:48:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D380C37BB6A for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:48:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@c01-132.006.popsite.net [216.126.134.132]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22489; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:48:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA52288; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:49:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:49:08 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Doug Barton Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: world breakage in usr.bin/kdump Message-ID: <20000508124908.C52207@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <3916607D.8A410AC6@gorean.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3916607D.8A410AC6@gorean.org>; from DougB@gorean.org on Sun, May 07, 2000 at 11:36:45PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 11:36:45PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > /usr/include/sys/wormio.h:102: warning: `CDRIOCBLANK' redefined > /usr/include/sys/cdrio.h:59: warning: this is the location of the In the old days cd /usr/src ; make -DCLOBBER includes would do what needs to be done. (the CLOBBER ability should not have been ripped out). wormio.h is no longer an active file, so you need to manually delete it from /usr/include. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 12:50: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from volatile.by-tor.tacorp.com (ci391991-a.grnvle1.sc.home.com [24.9.31.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404E637BBE5 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:49:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from morganw@by-tor.tacorp.com) Received: (from morganw@localhost) by volatile.by-tor.tacorp.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02660; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:52:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from morganw) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 15:52:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Wes Morgan X-Sender: morganw@volatile.by-tor.tacorp.com To: Nick Hibma Cc: FreeBSD CURRENT Mailing List Subject: Re: LINT broken. (in_cksum changes) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I sent a note to the committer on these last night. LINT must need some modification, because the error is also present in netinet6/ipsec.c. There are some ifdef's around it that point to LINT needing some extra options. On Sun, 7 May 2000, Nick Hibma wrote: > > Is it only me that ever compiles LINT? The checksum changes went in a > few days ago. > > Please, people, when you move code around or change a function that is > used in more than a fixed set of files, compile LINT. If unsure, compile > LINT. It's an extra five minutes, but well worth it. > > linking kernel > fil.o: In function `fr_tcpsum': > fil.o(.text+0xf47): undefined reference to `in_cksum' > ip_fil.o: In function `send_reset': > ip_fil.o(.text+0xd7d): undefined reference to `in_cksum' > ip_fil.o: In function `ipfr_fastroute': > ip_fil.o(.text+0x10f1): undefined reference to `in_cksum' > ip_fil.o(.text+0x1316): undefined reference to `in_cksum' > ip_fil.o(.text+0x1380): undefined reference to `in_cksum' > ip_mroute.o(.text+0x19d6): more undefined references to `in_cksum' > follow > > > I just couldn't be bothered to fix it. > > Nick > -- > n_hibma@webweaving.org > n_hibma@freebsd.org USB project > http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/ > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > -- _ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ Wesley N Morgan _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ wesleymorgan@home.com _ __ | _ \._ \ |) | FreeBSD: The Power To Serve _ |___/___/___/ Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 12:53: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48FB437BBE0 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:53:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@c01-132.006.popsite.net [216.126.134.132]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22504; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:52:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA52313; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:53:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:53:18 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: "John W. DeBoskey" Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make release failure during ports Message-ID: <20000508125318.E52207@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <200005072315.TAA02702@bb01f39.unx.sas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200005072315.TAA02702@bb01f39.unx.sas.com>; from jwd@unx.sas.com on Sun, May 07, 2000 at 07:15:56PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 07:15:56PM -0400, John W. DeBoskey wrote: > fyi... > > ===> Creating README.html for tkrat-1.2 > ===> mail/tkrat2 This belongs in ports@freebsd.org, NOT current@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 12:59:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3131D37BBE5; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:59:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@c01-132.006.popsite.net [216.126.134.132]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22529; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:59:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA52361; Mon, 8 May 2000 12:59:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:59:26 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1) Message-ID: <20000508125926.F52207@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <20000507102848.A35845@dragon.nuxi.com> <200005072156.OAA11982@mass.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200005072156.OAA11982@mass.cdrom.com>; from msmith@freebsd.org on Sun, May 07, 2000 at 02:56:17PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 02:56:17PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > We had this argument the other day, and you clearly didn't understand. Yes I did. We agreed to not agree and to not argue it. :-) Which is why I've never brought it up with you again. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 13: 3:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from atlrel2.hp.com (atlrel2.hp.com [156.153.255.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02A837BB6A; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by atlrel2.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79015786; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (gauss.cup.hp.com [15.28.97.152]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0.1) id NAA05619; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39171D7F.C6BE4EA0@cup.hp.com> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 13:03:11 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Doug Barton , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: world breakage in usr.bin/kdump References: <3916607D.8A410AC6@gorean.org> <20000508124908.C52207@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David O'Brien wrote: > > On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 11:36:45PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > > /usr/include/sys/wormio.h:102: warning: `CDRIOCBLANK' redefined > > /usr/include/sys/cdrio.h:59: warning: this is the location of the > > In the old days > cd /usr/src ; make -DCLOBBER includes > > would do what needs to be done. (the CLOBBER ability should not have > been ripped out). wormio.h is no longer an active file, so you need to > manually delete it from /usr/include. It should have been deleted by the appropriate makefile before the new headers are installed. Obsoleting header files can create as much backward compatibility problems as obsoleting functions or options can. It should have been dealt with accordingly... -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 13:23:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593B737BBFF; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:23:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA00931; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:23:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:23:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami Cc: Kenneth Wayne Culver , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: proposed pkg_delete change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 8 May 2000, Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami wrote: > Be careful about that "aren't currently used by anything else" part. > If you already had a port A installed, and then later installed B > (which just happens to depend on A), you could get A erased when you > erase B. Have a -n mode (-nothing) which prints a list of actions it would take so you can review. > You probably need to change pkg_add too, so that it will note > somewhere on A's dependency list that it was installed by which port, > and let pkg_delete check it. This could be done with an extra binary field in +REQUIRED_BY showing whether the package was installed by a parent. pkg_delete would recursively remove it if 1) There was only a single +REQUIRED_BY entry, and 2) The parent package bit is set. Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 13:26: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9117C37BC45; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:26:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA01780; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:26:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:26:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Kenneth Wayne Culver Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a better idea for package dependencies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 8 May 2000, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: > pkg_delete -d package-version (or some other unused switch for dependancy) This might be a good option, but there should also be an automatic mode, whether or not it's the default. > remove pkg_version_dependant [Y] ? y > removed! > remove pkg_version_dependant2 [Y] ? y > > error: some_other_package depends on pkg_version_dependant2! pkg_version_dependant2 is required by the following packages: foo-1.0 bar-2.0a blee-0.00000001 remove pkg_version_dependant2 [Y] ? y Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 13:38:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au (mailman.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D503E37BC15; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:38:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@zeta.org.au) Received: from bde.zeta.org.au (bde.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.102]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA29931; Tue, 9 May 2000 06:38:26 +1000 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 06:38:24 +1000 (EST) From: Bruce Evans X-Sender: bde@besplex.bde.org To: "David O'Brien" Cc: "Jeroen C. van Gelderen" , Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Small MAKEDEV bug In-Reply-To: <20000508115806.C51478@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 8 May 2000, David O'Brien wrote: > On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 03:27:07PM -0400, Jeroen C. van Gelderen wrote: > > Or just settle for a more intuitive solution: > > MAKEDEV acd2 creates /dev/acd2 > > MAKEDEV 2 acd creates /dev/acd[01] > > which would allow for "MAKEDEV 64 da" and "MAKEDEV 256 pty" > > I agree with this syntax and after sending my message to you, was sitting > there thinking "MAKEDEV " would make a really > nice clear syntax. If you can get BDE's buy-in and other BSD > traditionalists I think this would be great. I don't buy it :-). This syntax is similar to a special case of the syntax of jot(1). It's better to use jot(1) directly, e.g.: MAKEDEV $(jot -w da 2 0) # make 2 acd devices beginning at acd0 Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 13:39:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from ns.usishealth.com (adsl-216-62-210-29.dsl.austtx.swbell.net [216.62.210.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162BD37BBC8 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:39:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erik@usishealth.com) Received: from usishealth.com (gargamel [192.168.1.2]) by ns.usishealth.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592CB1AE86 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:45:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <39172693.3F8BB151@usishealth.com> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 15:41:55 -0500 From: Erik de Zeeuw X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: MAKEDEV warning with sysinstall ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I installed FreeBSD 5.0-20000506-CURRENT on an AMD K6-2, 64Mb, 4Gb, and when I first launch /stand/sysinstall after the system has start, the following message appears : ... /kernel: WARNING: run /dev/MAKEDEV before 2000-06-01 to get rid of block devices I searched the list archives and find some informations about this, but nothing that helps me understand why I get this message. The only time it happens is when I use sysinstall for the first time after the PC has start. If I'm using sysinstall again without prior reboot, there's no such message. But if I reboot and use sysinstall again, the message shows up again. I ran MAKEDEV all, but the message still appear. The messages I found about this on the archives says to do a 'ls -l /dev | grep ^b', and to remake all devices listed, but there's no device listed when I'm doing the 'ls -l /dev | grep ^b'. Any idea about what could cause this message to come up ? Thanks, Erik de Zeeuw To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 13:52:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay01.chello.nl (smtp.chello.nl [212.83.68.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C60B37C0E6 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:52:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@chello.nl) Received: from chello.nl ([213.46.78.184]) by relay01.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 **** LICENSE EXPIRED ****) with ESMTP id <20000508205227.SHIU16343.relay01@chello.nl>; Mon, 8 May 2000 22:52:27 +0200 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by chello.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01001; Mon, 8 May 2000 22:52:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:52:06 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Erik de Zeeuw Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MAKEDEV warning with sysinstall ? Message-ID: <20000508225206.A972@jedi.wbnet> Reply-To: wc.bulte@chello.nl References: <39172693.3F8BB151@usishealth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <39172693.3F8BB151@usishealth.com>; from erik@usishealth.com on Mon, May 08, 2000 at 03:41:55PM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 03:41:55PM -0500, Erik de Zeeuw wrote: > > I installed FreeBSD 5.0-20000506-CURRENT on an AMD K6-2, 64Mb, 4Gb, and > when I first launch /stand/sysinstall after the system has start, the > following message appears : > > ... /kernel: WARNING: run /dev/MAKEDEV before 2000-06-01 to get rid of > block devices > > I searched the list archives and find some informations about this, but > nothing that helps me understand why I get this message. This is because -current no longer has any block devices so /dev/MAKEDEV needs (well, it is cleaner) to remove the old device nodes. -- Wilko Bulte Powered by FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org http://www.tcja.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 13:55: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1765037BC34 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:55:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost.freebsd.dk [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20592; Mon, 8 May 2000 22:54:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Erik de Zeeuw Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MAKEDEV warning with sysinstall ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 May 2000 15:41:55 CDT." <39172693.3F8BB151@usishealth.com> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:54:42 +0200 Message-ID: <20590.957819282@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <39172693.3F8BB151@usishealth.com>, Erik de Zeeuw writes: > >I installed FreeBSD 5.0-20000506-CURRENT on an AMD K6-2, 64Mb, 4Gb, and >when I first launch /stand/sysinstall after the system has start, the >following message appears : > >... /kernel: WARNING: run /dev/MAKEDEV before 2000-06-01 to get rid of >block devices > >I searched the list archives and find some informations about this, but >nothing that helps me understand why I get this message. >Any idea about what could cause this message to come up ? No, I havn't tracked down the last couple of causes of this, but I will try to reproduce it as you describe it with some debugging added. Thanks for the hint! -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD coreteam member | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 14:18:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A64A37B617; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:18:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA06772; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:18:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:18:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Doug Barton Cc: Will Andrews , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: rc.d startup scripts In-Reply-To: <3915E459.2C1A382C@gorean.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 7 May 2000, Doug Barton wrote: > I'm going to reply to the system part of this too, replies to this > thread should split off to -current. I have a design in mind for a new > rc system that uses scripts with "start, stop, status" operators to both > upgrade and downgrade services, where "services" are defined as groups > of daemons/programs that work together. For example, "nfs" would be an > example of a service, which would be subdivided into client and server, > etc. Eivind Eklund made a prototype some time back which addressed this issue - you'd do well to take a look at that one first before reinventing the wheel :) Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 14:21:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A9F37BCD3 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:21:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04173; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:15:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:15:42 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: Erik de Zeeuw , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MAKEDEV warning with sysinstall ? Message-ID: <20000508161542.A25981@dan.emsphone.com> References: <39172693.3F8BB151@usishealth.com> <20590.957819282@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.14i In-Reply-To: <20590.957819282@critter.freebsd.dk>; from "Poul-Henning Kamp" on Mon May 8 22:54:42 GMT 2000 X-OS: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the last episode (May 08), Poul-Henning Kamp said: > In message <39172693.3F8BB151@usishealth.com>, Erik de Zeeuw writes: > > > >I installed FreeBSD 5.0-20000506-CURRENT on an AMD K6-2, 64Mb, 4Gb, and > >when I first launch /stand/sysinstall after the system has start, the > >following message appears : > > > >... /kernel: WARNING: run /dev/MAKEDEV before 2000-06-01 to get rid of > >block devices > > > >I searched the list archives and find some informations about this, but > >nothing that helps me understand why I get this message. > > >Any idea about what could cause this message to come up ? > > No, I havn't tracked down the last couple of causes of this, but I > will try to reproduce it as you describe it with some debugging added. How hard would it be to print the filename (or the device/inode) that triggers the warning? -- Dan Nelson dnelson@emsphone.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 14:24:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E4937BCBC for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:24:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost.freebsd.dk [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20844; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:23:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Dan Nelson Cc: Erik de Zeeuw , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MAKEDEV warning with sysinstall ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 May 2000 16:15:42 CDT." <20000508161542.A25981@dan.emsphone.com> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:23:50 +0200 Message-ID: <20842.957821030@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000508161542.A25981@dan.emsphone.com>, Dan Nelson writes: >In the last episode (May 08), Poul-Henning Kamp said: >> In message <39172693.3F8BB151@usishealth.com>, Erik de Zeeuw writes: >> > >> >I installed FreeBSD 5.0-20000506-CURRENT on an AMD K6-2, 64Mb, 4Gb, and >> >when I first launch /stand/sysinstall after the system has start, the >> >following message appears : >> > >> >... /kernel: WARNING: run /dev/MAKEDEV before 2000-06-01 to get rid of >> >block devices >> > >> >I searched the list archives and find some informations about this, but >> >nothing that helps me understand why I get this message. >> >> >Any idea about what could cause this message to come up ? >> >> No, I havn't tracked down the last couple of causes of this, but I >> will try to reproduce it as you describe it with some debugging added. > >How hard would it be to print the filename (or the device/inode) that >triggers the warning? Not at all (warning: cut&pasted patch, tabs are screwed up!) Index: kern_conf.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/kern/kern_conf.c,v retrieving revision 1.75 diff -u -r1.75 kern_conf.c --- kern_conf.c 2000/03/25 21:10:20 1.75 +++ kern_conf.c 2000/05/06 15:06:33 @@ -270,7 +270,8 @@ if (!whine) { printf("WARNING: run /dev/MAKEDEV before 2000-06-01 to get rid of block devices\n"); whine++; } + printf("Whine: %d/%d\n", umajor(x), uminor(x)); return makebdev(umajor(x), uminor(x)); default: Debugger("udev2dev(...,X)"); -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD coreteam member | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 14:41:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A2637B8E4; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:41:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA45801; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:41:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA80142; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200005082141.PAA80142@harmony.village.org> To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1) Cc: Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 May 2000 10:28:48 PDT." <20000507102848.A35845@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20000507102848.A35845@dragon.nuxi.com> <8f3v6k$fnk$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 15:41:00 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000507102848.A35845@dragon.nuxi.com> "David O'Brien" writes: : On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 04:39:16PM +0200, Christian Weisgerber wrote: : > OpenBSD only changed "rmt" to "rst" ("rsa" for us) : : Just "sa" for us -- "sa" is now a raw device and "rFOO" use is : depreciated. Leaving aside the 'r' question for the moment... Should that be sa or ast? sa is the scsi device for any tape device (formerly st or mt), while ast is for ide/atapi based tape drives. The wt and wst devices referenced in our man pages are just plain bogus. I think we've killed all ft references in the tree... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 14:42:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F16837BD6F; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:42:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA45805; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:42:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA80155; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200005082142.PAA80155@harmony.village.org> To: mjacob@feral.com Subject: Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1) Cc: Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, "David O'Brien" In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 May 2000 11:08:04 PDT." References: Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 15:42:01 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Matthew Jacob writes: : Oh, and in the updating of this, don't forget the FreeBSD usage of .ctl for : tape devices- as far as I know this is the only *BSD that has this. Which devices use .ctl? sa and ast don't seem to use them now (at the very least they aren't created by MAKEDEV by default). Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 14:54: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45C037BD67; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:53:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10623; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:53:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:53:48 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Warner Losh Cc: mjacob@feral.com, Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, "David O'Brien" Subject: Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1) Message-ID: <20000508165348.A9796@dan.emsphone.com> References: <200005082142.PAA80155@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.14i In-Reply-To: <200005082142.PAA80155@harmony.village.org>; from "Warner Losh" on Mon May 8 15:42:01 GMT 2000 X-OS: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the last episode (May 08), Warner Losh said: > In message Matthew Jacob writes: > : Oh, and in the updating of this, don't forget the FreeBSD usage of > : .ctl for tape devices- as far as I know this is the only *BSD that > : has this. > > Which devices use .ctl? sa and ast don't seem to use them now (at > the very least they aren't created by MAKEDEV by default). *.ctl is handy for getting status on a device that another process has open; if I'm dumping to /dev/nrsa0, I can run "mt -f /dev/rsa0.ctl status" on another tty and see what file/block position the tape is at. Dunno if it has any other use :) -- Dan Nelson dnelson@emsphone.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 14:55:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3303837B551; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:55:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA85765; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:55:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 15:55:21 -0600 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Warner Losh Cc: mjacob@feral.com, Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, "David O'Brien" Subject: Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1) Message-ID: <20000508155521.A85722@panzer.kdm.org> References: <200005082142.PAA80155@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200005082142.PAA80155@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Mon, May 08, 2000 at 03:42:01PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 15:42:01 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > In message Matthew Jacob writes: > : Oh, and in the updating of this, don't forget the FreeBSD usage of .ctl for > : tape devices- as far as I know this is the only *BSD that has this. > > Which devices use .ctl? sa and ast don't seem to use them now (at the > very least they aren't created by MAKEDEV by default). The sa driver does use the control nodes, whether or not they're actually created by MAKEDEV. (Look in saopen().) It's useful to be able to get status on your tape drive while a backup is going on via the control node, e.g.: mt -f /dev/rsa0.ctl status Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 14:57:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C0B37B551; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:57:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA45916; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:57:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA80383; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:57:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200005082157.PAA80383@harmony.village.org> To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Subject: Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1) Cc: mjacob@feral.com, Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, "David O'Brien" In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 May 2000 15:55:21 MDT." <20000508155521.A85722@panzer.kdm.org> References: <20000508155521.A85722@panzer.kdm.org> <200005082142.PAA80155@harmony.village.org> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 15:57:18 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000508155521.A85722@panzer.kdm.org> "Kenneth D. Merry" writes: : The sa driver does use the control nodes, whether or not they're actually : created by MAKEDEV. (Look in saopen().) It's useful to be able to get : status on your tape drive while a backup is going on via the control node, : e.g.: : : mt -f /dev/rsa0.ctl status OK. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 15:30:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu (po3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA2137B825; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:30:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from culverk@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu (root@rac5.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.145]) by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14012; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac5.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA09181; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (culverk@localhost) by rac5.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09177; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:30:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac5.wam.umd.edu: culverk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 18:30:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Wayne Culver To: "David O'Brien" Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: a better idea for package dependencies In-Reply-To: <20000508124300.A52207@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Actually, it has to do with the pkg_ commands, which I believe are built when you make world... and aren't part of the ports, so I assumed that since these are part of -current, and changes would be made to -current, it's better to send to -current. Sorry for any inconvenience. ================================================================= | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best OS around. | | Unix Systems Administrator | ICQ #: 24767726 | | and student at The | AIM: muythaibxr | | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under Construction) | | College Park. | http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/| ================================================================= On Mon, 8 May 2000, David O'Brien wrote: > On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 02:26:42PM -0400, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: > > Instead of automatically deleteing the dependencies, I think maybe it > > This belongs on ports@freebsd.org, not current@freebsd.org has it has > *nothing* to do with -CURRENT. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 15:32:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu (po3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5239037BA9D; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:32:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from culverk@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu (root@rac5.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.145]) by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14188; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac5.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA09314; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (culverk@localhost) by rac5.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09308; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:32:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac5.wam.umd.edu: culverk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 18:32:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Wayne Culver To: Kris Kennaway Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: a better idea for package dependencies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alright, I'll try to do it after I get something working. ================================================================= | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best OS around. | | Unix Systems Administrator | ICQ #: 24767726 | | and student at The | AIM: muythaibxr | | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under Construction) | | College Park. | http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/| ================================================================= On Mon, 8 May 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Mon, 8 May 2000, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: > > > pkg_delete -d package-version (or some other unused switch for dependancy) > > This might be a good option, but there should also be an automatic mode, > whether or not it's the default. > > > remove pkg_version_dependant [Y] ? y > > removed! > > remove pkg_version_dependant2 [Y] ? y > > > > error: some_other_package depends on pkg_version_dependant2! > > pkg_version_dependant2 is required by the following packages: > foo-1.0 > bar-2.0a > blee-0.00000001 > remove pkg_version_dependant2 [Y] ? y > > Kris > > ---- > In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. > -- Charles Forsythe > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 15:56:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from cypherpunks.ai (cypherpunks.ai [209.88.68.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6637737C0FB; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:56:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeroen@vangelderen.org) Received: from vangelderen.org (grolsch.ai [209.88.68.214]) by cypherpunks.ai (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62A250; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:55:54 -0400 (AST) Message-ID: <39174603.3BBBD536@vangelderen.org> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 18:56:03 -0400 From: "Jeroen C. van Gelderen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Evans Cc: David O'Brien , Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Small MAKEDEV bug References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bruce Evans wrote: > > On Mon, 8 May 2000, David O'Brien wrote: > > > On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 03:27:07PM -0400, Jeroen C. van Gelderen wrote: > > > Or just settle for a more intuitive solution: > > > MAKEDEV acd2 creates /dev/acd2 > > > MAKEDEV 2 acd creates /dev/acd[01] > > > which would allow for "MAKEDEV 64 da" and "MAKEDEV 256 pty" > > > > I agree with this syntax and after sending my message to you, was sitting > > there thinking "MAKEDEV " would make a really > > nice clear syntax. If you can get BDE's buy-in and other BSD > > traditionalists I think this would be great. > > I don't buy it :-). This syntax is similar to a special case of the syntax > of jot(1). It's better to use jot(1) directly, e.g.: > > MAKEDEV $(jot -w da 2 0) # make 2 acd devices beginning at acd0 From this it follows that MAKEDEV should be modified to create just it's argument: MAKEDEV 8 creates just 8, not 0-7. Otherwise MAKEDEV $(jot -w da 6 4) wouldn't work or violate POLA. Agreed? Now it's a question of "the UNIX way" vs. convenience/userfriendlyness :-) Is it acceptable to have all users juggle with jot(1) or can we build in a convenience syntax that covers 95% of all uses? I'd think the latter, otherwise we might as well force our users to use mknod(8) and chmod(1) directly instead of MAKEDEV; After all, MAKEDEV is just a convenient wrapper around those commands. So I'd still propose: MAKEDEV MAKEDEV ... As a consolation, added such a special syntax can be added in a few lines at the top of MAKEDEV, after which it recursively calls MAKEDEV with the appropriate jot(1)-expanded device list. So it doesn't clobber the code. Thoughts? Cheers, Jeroen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 16:16:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A384C37B91B; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:16:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) Received: from Hamilton-ppp44812.sympatico.ca (ppp18393.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.130.73]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA22845; Mon, 8 May 2000 19:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by Hamilton-ppp44812.sympatico.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) id TAA48613; Mon, 8 May 2000 19:15:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 19:15:56 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: "Jeroen C. van Gelderen" Cc: Bruce Evans , "David O'Brien" , Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Small MAKEDEV bug Message-ID: <20000508191556.A47871@Hamilton-ppp44812.sympatico.ca> References: <39174603.3BBBD536@vangelderen.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <39174603.3BBBD536@vangelderen.org>; from Jeroen C. van Gelderen on Mon, May 08, 2000 at 06:56:03PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 06:56:03PM -0400, Jeroen C. van Gelderen wrote: > > > > I don't buy it :-). This syntax is similar to a special case of the syntax > > of jot(1). It's better to use jot(1) directly, e.g.: > > > > MAKEDEV $(jot -w da 2 0) # make 2 acd devices beginning at acd0 b$ which jot /usr/bin/jot b$ The jot utility doesn't appear to be in /bin. b$ echo '$(jot -w da 2 0)' | wc 1 5 17 b$ echo $(jot -w da 2 0) | wc 1 2 8 b$ Heh. /me mumbles something about the prototypical UNIX hacker... :-) -- Signature withheld by request of author. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 16:25:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D92B37B64A; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:25:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26828; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:24:04 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:25:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Warner Losh Cc: Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, "David O'Brien" Subject: Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1) In-Reply-To: <200005082142.PAA80155@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 8 May 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > In message Matthew Jacob writes: > : Oh, and in the updating of this, don't forget the FreeBSD usage of .ctl for > : tape devices- as far as I know this is the only *BSD that has this. > > Which devices use .ctl? sa and ast don't seem to use them now (at the > very least they aren't created by MAKEDEV by default). Should be: sa*) umask $tape_umask unit=`expr $i : '..\(.*\)'` chr=14 case $unit in [0-9]|[1-9][0-9]|[1-9][0-9][0-9]|[1-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]) >>> mknod rsa${unit}.ctl c $chr `saminor 1 ${unit} 0 0` for m in 0 1 2 3 .... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 16:25:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2BD437B8FA for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:25:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id IAA75021; Tue, 9 May 2000 08:54:13 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:54:13 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: sthaug@nethelp.no Cc: sos@freebsd.dk, adsharma@sharmas.dhs.org, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks Message-ID: <20000509085413.A61921@freebie.lemis.com> References: <200005080744.JAA52151@freebsd.dk> <53750.957772674@verdi.nethelp.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <53750.957772674@verdi.nethelp.no> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 8 May 2000 at 9:57:54 +0200, sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: >> Not all non IBM disks has problems, that was not the message back >> then, at least not from me. What I said, and still says, is that >> Maxtor and WDC has a bad reputation on making drives that can't work >> reliably with UDMA66, quantum has its share too but not so bad. > > There are some WDC disks that work nicely. This is from a BP6 board too: > > ad0: 26105MB [53040/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33 > ad1: 26105MB [53040/16/63] at ata1-master using UDMA33 > ad2: 26105MB [53040/16/63] at ata2-master using UDMA66 > ad3: 26105MB [53040/16/63] at ata3-master using UDMA66 > > As far as I know, the WD273BA is in reality a DPTA-372730 in disguise, > so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Anybody know if it's possible to > put the original IBM firmware on these disks? I've been having trouble with this one in UDMA66 mode, also on a BP6. The system just hangs solid at random: ad4: 13042MB [26500/16/63] at ata2-master using UDMA66 It works fine on UDMA33. I notice that you have ad2 and ad3 running in UDMA66 mode. I didn't realise this was possible; I'll experiment. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 16:32:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77E937B9F0; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:32:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26883; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:31:08 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:32:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Dan Nelson Cc: Warner Losh , Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, "David O'Brien" Subject: Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1) In-Reply-To: <20000508165348.A9796@dan.emsphone.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 8 May 2000, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (May 08), Warner Losh said: > > In message Matthew Jacob writes: > > : Oh, and in the updating of this, don't forget the FreeBSD usage of > > : .ctl for tape devices- as far as I know this is the only *BSD that > > : has this. > > > > Which devices use .ctl? sa and ast don't seem to use them now (at > > the very least they aren't created by MAKEDEV by default). > > *.ctl is handy for getting status on a device that another process has > open; if I'm dumping to /dev/nrsa0, I can run "mt -f /dev/rsa0.ctl > status" on another tty and see what file/block position the tape is at. > Dunno if it has any other use :) Eventually it will have/set more extended error information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 17:22:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E4737B9DE; Mon, 8 May 2000 17:22:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from slave (doug@slave [10.0.0.1]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA70110; Mon, 8 May 2000 17:22:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:22:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton X-Sender: doug@dt051n0b.san.rr.com To: "David O'Brien" Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: world breakage in usr.bin/kdump In-Reply-To: <20000508124908.C52207@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 8 May 2000, David O'Brien wrote: > On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 11:36:45PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > > /usr/include/sys/wormio.h:102: warning: `CDRIOCBLANK' redefined > > /usr/include/sys/cdrio.h:59: warning: this is the location of the > > In the old days > cd /usr/src ; make -DCLOBBER includes > > would do what needs to be done. Cool. I figured it was something like that, but with all the header file stuff going around.... I guess the other question related to this is, why is the world build using the system's header files? Thanks, Doug -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 18:27:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rtp.tfd.com (rtp.tfd.com [198.79.53.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0552237B58F for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:27:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kent@chapel-hill.tfd.com) Received: from chapel-hill.tfd.com (chapel-hill.tfd.com [10.20.0.40]) by rtp.tfd.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25757 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 21:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kent@localhost) by chapel-hill.tfd.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00263 for current@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 May 2000 21:27:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kent) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:27:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Kent Hauser Message-Id: <200005090127.VAA00263@chapel-hill.tfd.com> To: current@freebsd.org Subject: psm with SBLive == processor reset Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, I (and a couple of other people as I recall) reported this some time back. My current kernel as of 5/1/00 still *resets* (not panics, does not pass go, does not collect $200) whenever I access a sound device. This goes for "realaudio plugin" from the linux netscape, mp3blaster, and a couple of other audio things I've tried. The exception is "cdplayer", which is quiet. Any progress on this front? Anything I can do to help? Thanks all. Kent To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 18:43:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rtp.tfd.com (rtp.tfd.com [198.79.53.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2042137BC90 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:43:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kent@chapel-hill.tfd.com) Received: from chapel-hill.tfd.com (chapel-hill.tfd.com [10.20.0.40]) by rtp.tfd.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25821 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 21:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kent@localhost) by chapel-hill.tfd.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00299 for current@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 May 2000 21:43:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kent) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:43:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Kent Hauser Message-Id: <200005090143.VAA00299@chapel-hill.tfd.com> To: current@freebsd.org Subject: pcm with SBLive -> processor reset Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (Sorry all, I of course mistyped psm for pcm in the last message -- (I repeat for those with filtering software...) Hi all, I (and a couple of other people as I recall) reported this some time back. My current kernel as of 5/1/00 still *resets* (not panics, does not pass go, does not collect $200) whenever I access a sound device. This goes for "realaudio plugin" from the linux netscape, mp3blaster, and a couple of other audio things I've tried. The exception is "cdplayer", which is quiet. Any progress on this front? Anything I can do to help? Thanks all. Kent To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 19:57: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from internal.mail.demon.net (internal.mail.demon.net [193.195.224.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D39EC37BA12; Mon, 8 May 2000 19:56:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fanf@demon.net) Received: from fanf.eng.demon.net (fanf.eng.demon.net [195.11.55.89]) by internal.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id DAA24604; Tue, 9 May 2000 03:56:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from fanf by fanf.eng.demon.net with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12p0Cc-000CB9-00; Tue, 09 May 2000 03:56:54 +0100 To: kris@freebsd.org From: Tony Finch Cc: current@freebsd.org, doug@gorean.org Subject: Re: rc.d startup scripts In-Reply-To: References: <3915E459.2C1A382C@gorean.org> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 03:56:54 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway wrote: >On Sun, 7 May 2000, Doug Barton wrote: > >> I'm going to reply to the system part of this too, replies to this >> thread should split off to -current. I have a design in mind for a new >> rc system that uses scripts with "start, stop, status" operators to both >> upgrade and downgrade services, where "services" are defined as groups >> of daemons/programs that work together. For example, "nfs" would be an >> example of a service, which would be subdivided into client and server, >> etc. > >Eivind Eklund made a prototype some time back which addressed this issue - >you'd do well to take a look at that one first before reinventing the >wheel :) Or you could use the system that NetBSD already has working. Tony. -- f.a.n.finch fanf@demon.net dot@dotat.at 381 plastic fruit for a starving nation To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 20:12:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF3937BDBD; Mon, 8 May 2000 20:12:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from culverk@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac6.wam.umd.edu (root@rac6.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.146]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21006; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac6.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac6.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA13241; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (culverk@localhost) by rac6.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13237; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:12:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac6.wam.umd.edu: culverk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 23:12:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Wayne Culver To: Tony Finch Cc: kris@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG, doug@gorean.org Subject: Re: rc.d startup scripts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just curious, but wouldn't this be FreeSVR4??? :-) ================================================================= | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best OS around. | | Unix Systems Administrator | ICQ #: 24767726 | | and student at The | AIM: muythaibxr | | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under Construction) | | College Park. | http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/| ================================================================= On Tue, 9 May 2000, Tony Finch wrote: > Kris Kennaway wrote: > >On Sun, 7 May 2000, Doug Barton wrote: > > > >> I'm going to reply to the system part of this too, replies to this > >> thread should split off to -current. I have a design in mind for a new > >> rc system that uses scripts with "start, stop, status" operators to both > >> upgrade and downgrade services, where "services" are defined as groups > >> of daemons/programs that work together. For example, "nfs" would be an > >> example of a service, which would be subdivided into client and server, > >> etc. > > > >Eivind Eklund made a prototype some time back which addressed this issue - > >you'd do well to take a look at that one first before reinventing the > >wheel :) > > Or you could use the system that NetBSD already has working. > > Tony. > -- > f.a.n.finch fanf@demon.net dot@dotat.at > 381 plastic fruit for a starving nation > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 23:53:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F5937B940; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:53:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA72979; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:53:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <3917B5DC.951BE936@gorean.org> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:53:16 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0507 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Will Andrews , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: rc.d startup scripts References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Sun, 7 May 2000, Doug Barton wrote: > > > I'm going to reply to the system part of this too, replies to this > > thread should split off to -current. I have a design in mind for a new > > rc system that uses scripts with "start, stop, status" operators to both > > upgrade and downgrade services, where "services" are defined as groups > > of daemons/programs that work together. For example, "nfs" would be an > > example of a service, which would be subdivided into client and server, > > etc. > > Eivind Eklund made a prototype some time back which addressed this issue - > you'd do well to take a look at that one first before reinventing the > wheel :) Point well taken. If anyone has references to this work, or an easy introduction to netbsd's version I'd love to look at them. I've been hoping to carve out some time to work on this, but every time I talk about vacation, my boss just laughs.... Doug -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 8 23:55:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2668F37BDD8; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:55:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA72984; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:55:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <3917B652.9C925B0F@gorean.org> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:55:14 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0507 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kenneth Wayne Culver Cc: Tony Finch , kris@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rc.d startup scripts References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: > > Just curious, but wouldn't this be FreeSVR4??? :-) I'm going to assume that the smiley means you're joking, but I hope that we can stick to discussing this plan on its merits, rather than rejecting it out of hand because it's like something that someone else is doing. Doug -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 1:26:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from axl.ops.uunet.co.za (axl.ops.uunet.co.za [196.31.2.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6938237BAA4; Tue, 9 May 2000 01:26:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.ops.uunet.co.za) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.ops.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12p5LB-000JpZ-00; Tue, 09 May 2000 10:26:05 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: "Jeroen C. van Gelderen" Cc: Bruce Evans , "David O'Brien" , Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Small MAKEDEV bug In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 May 2000 18:56:03 -0400." <39174603.3BBBD536@vangelderen.org> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 10:26:05 +0200 Message-ID: <76232.957860765@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 08 May 2000 18:56:03 -0400, "Jeroen C. van Gelderen" wrote: > Now it's a question of "the UNIX way" vs. convenience/userfriendlyness > :-) I don't agree. I think this is an issue of avoiding changes that unnecessarily astonish existing users. If you can find ways to improve MAKEDEV that don't inconvenience those already familiar with it, great. If your improvements astonish these people, you need to put a bit more thought into what you're actually scoring. Lately, we're seeing a lot of vanity changes; this is a trend that can only end in tears. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 1:58:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from axl.ops.uunet.co.za (axl.ops.uunet.co.za [196.31.2.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 137A837BD5F; Tue, 9 May 2000 01:58:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.ops.uunet.co.za) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.ops.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12p5q9-000JvY-00; Tue, 09 May 2000 10:58:05 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: "Jeroen C. van Gelderen" , Bruce Evans , "David O'Brien" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Small MAKEDEV bug In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 May 2000 10:26:05 +0200." <76232.957860765@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 10:58:05 +0200 Message-ID: <76603.957862685@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 09 May 2000 10:26:05 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > I don't agree. I think this is an issue of avoiding changes that > unnecessarily astonish existing users. If you can find ways to improve > MAKEDEV that don't inconvenience those already familiar with it, great. > If your improvements astonish these people, you need to put a bit more > thought into what you're actually scoring. I'd like to follow up on myself with a comment that takes a slightly broader view on the problem. As FreeBSD's user base grows, we're going to see two different demands in increasing contention with each other. 1) The demand for an intuitive, consistent interface. 2) The demand for a constant interface. The former represents the need for POLA to be upheld throughout the system at a given moment in time. The latter represents the need for POLA to be upheld from one release to the next, in the arena of "backward compatibility". Both are valid issues that deserve careful thought. In many situations, we can fix inconsistencies "in the moment" without forcing folks to change the way they do things from on release to the next. In those situations where we have to make a decision one way or another, the decision is going to become more and more difficult as the project moves forward. I don't think that the only rule of thumb that can be applied where the two demands are in contention with one another, is that it's worth thinking carefully about what we gain for the change. But we can _certainly_ agree that it's always worth thinking carefully about ways to satisfy _both_ demands wherever possible. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 2:10: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from axl.ops.uunet.co.za (axl.ops.uunet.co.za [196.31.2.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0231537B522 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 02:09:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.ops.uunet.co.za) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.ops.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12p61L-000Jzw-00; Tue, 09 May 2000 11:09:39 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Erik de Zeeuw Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MAKEDEV warning with sysinstall ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 May 2000 15:41:55 EST." <39172693.3F8BB151@usishealth.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 11:09:39 +0200 Message-ID: <76875.957863379@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 08 May 2000 15:41:55 EST, Erik de Zeeuw wrote: > I ran MAKEDEV all, but the message still appear. The messages I found > about this on the archives says to do a 'ls -l /dev | grep ^b', and > to remake all devices listed, but there's no device listed when I'm > doing the 'ls -l /dev | grep ^b'. I'm not sure what that'll score you. Try this: cd /dev for i in `ls`; do if test -b $i; then echo $i; fi; done Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 2:12:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from axl.ops.uunet.co.za (axl.ops.uunet.co.za [196.31.2.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696F637B777; Tue, 9 May 2000 02:12:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.ops.uunet.co.za) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.ops.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12p63O-000K1T-00; Tue, 09 May 2000 11:11:46 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Doug Barton Cc: Kris Kennaway , Will Andrews , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: rc.d startup scripts In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 May 2000 23:53:16 MST." <3917B5DC.951BE936@gorean.org> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 11:11:46 +0200 Message-ID: <76970.957863506@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 08 May 2000 23:53:16 MST, Doug Barton wrote: > > Eivind Eklund made a prototype some time back which addressed this issue - > > you'd do well to take a look at that one first before reinventing the > > wheel :) > > Point well taken. If anyone has references to this work, or an easy > introduction to netbsd's version I'd love to look at them. http://people.FreeBSD.org/~eivind/newrc.html Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 2:17:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from cs.rice.edu (cs.rice.edu [128.42.1.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E15537B6FC for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 02:17:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alc@cs.rice.edu) Received: (from alc@localhost) by cs.rice.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) id EAA23733; Tue, 9 May 2000 04:14:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 04:14:01 -0500 From: Alan Cox To: Soren Schmidt Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks Message-ID: <20000509041401.F25972@cs.rice.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5us Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG About two days ago, I tested a machine with four IDE drives each on its own cable as the master. All four drives were: ad0: 29311MB [59554/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA66 I used the motherboard controller to support two of the drives. It was a atapci0: port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 31.1 on pci0 and a Highpoint-based ATA66 controller for the other two drives. The Highpoint locked up with the "resetting devices" message as soon as the system was stressed. I replaced the Highpoint controller with a Promise ATA66 and didn't see any problems after that. (I've never seen any problems with the Maxtor's on the Intel ATA66 controller either.) In summary, same disks, three different controllers, problems only occur with the Highpoint controller. (I believe the Abit BP6 uses the Highpoint controller.) Alan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 2:43:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au (mailman.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B83C37B6FC; Tue, 9 May 2000 02:43:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@zeta.org.au) Received: from bde.zeta.org.au (bde.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.102]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA03652; Tue, 9 May 2000 19:43:03 +1000 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:43:01 +1000 (EST) From: Bruce Evans X-Sender: bde@besplex.bde.org To: Tim Vanderhoek Cc: "Jeroen C. van Gelderen" , "David O'Brien" , Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Small MAKEDEV bug In-Reply-To: <20000508191556.A47871@Hamilton-ppp44812.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 8 May 2000, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 06:56:03PM -0400, Jeroen C. van Gelderen wrote: > > > > > > I don't buy it :-). This syntax is similar to a special case of the syntax > > > of jot(1). It's better to use jot(1) directly, e.g.: > > > > > > MAKEDEV $(jot -w da 2 0) # make 2 acd devices beginning at acd0 > > b$ which jot > /usr/bin/jot > b$ > > The jot utility doesn't appear to be in /bin. You can just type all the device names or use a shell loop when /usr/bin is not mounted. > b$ echo '$(jot -w da 2 0)' | wc > 1 5 17 > b$ echo $(jot -w da 2 0) | wc > 1 2 8 > b$ > > Heh. Yes, it is much faster to type all the device names than to even type the command to generate them when there are a small number of device names. > /me mumbles something about the prototypical UNIX hacker... :-) I wouldn't use jot for MAKEDEV'ing disks in practice :-). Part of my point is the new syntax for MAKEDEV is just as hard to remember as the syntax for jot. You would use it once or twice per millenium after install more than about 8 drives at once. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 3:27:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A3E37B6D1 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 03:27:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Received: from calcaphon.demon.co.uk ([193.237.19.5] helo=bluebottle.qubesoft.com) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12p7Ec-0008tU-0A; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:27:32 +0000 Received: from henny.webweaving.org (henny.qubesoft.com [192.168.1.5]) by bluebottle.qubesoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA57729; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:27:20 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by henny.webweaving.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA62440; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:20:20 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:20:20 +0100 (BST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@localhost Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: Wes Morgan Cc: FreeBSD CURRENT Mailing List Subject: Re: LINT broken. (in_cksum changes) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Appart from that, ipf does not load as a kld anymore. And probably, not tried, the IPFILTER option in any kernel would break the build as well. Nick On Mon, 8 May 2000, Wes Morgan wrote: > I sent a note to the committer on these last night. LINT must need some > modification, because the error is also present in netinet6/ipsec.c. There > are some ifdef's around it that point to LINT needing some extra options. > > On Sun, 7 May 2000, Nick Hibma wrote: > > > > > Is it only me that ever compiles LINT? The checksum changes went in a > > few days ago. > > > > Please, people, when you move code around or change a function that is > > used in more than a fixed set of files, compile LINT. If unsure, compile > > LINT. It's an extra five minutes, but well worth it. > > > > linking kernel > > fil.o: In function `fr_tcpsum': > > fil.o(.text+0xf47): undefined reference to `in_cksum' > > ip_fil.o: In function `send_reset': > > ip_fil.o(.text+0xd7d): undefined reference to `in_cksum' > > ip_fil.o: In function `ipfr_fastroute': > > ip_fil.o(.text+0x10f1): undefined reference to `in_cksum' > > ip_fil.o(.text+0x1316): undefined reference to `in_cksum' > > ip_fil.o(.text+0x1380): undefined reference to `in_cksum' > > ip_mroute.o(.text+0x19d6): more undefined references to `in_cksum' > > follow > > > > > > I just couldn't be bothered to fix it. > > > > Nick > > -- > > n_hibma@webweaving.org > > n_hibma@freebsd.org USB project > > http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/ > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > > > -- > _ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ > Wesley N Morgan _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ > wesleymorgan@home.com _ __ | _ \._ \ |) | > FreeBSD: The Power To Serve _ |___/___/___/ > Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > -- n_hibma@webweaving.org n_hibma@freebsd.org USB project http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 3:55: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gidora.zeta.org.au (gidora.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CB2037B723 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 03:54:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@zeta.org.au) Received: (qmail 2596 invoked from network); 9 May 2000 10:54:53 -0000 Received: from bde.zeta.org.au (203.2.228.102) by gidora.zeta.org.au with SMTP; 9 May 2000 10:54:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:54:50 +1000 (EST) From: Bruce Evans X-Sender: bde@besplex.bde.org To: Warner Losh Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1) In-Reply-To: <200005082141.PAA80142@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 8 May 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > Leaving aside the 'r' question for the moment... > > Should that be sa or ast? sa is the scsi device for any tape device > (formerly st or mt), while ast is for ide/atapi based tape drives. It should be ssa and asa, of course :-). > The wt and wst devices referenced in our man pages are just plain > bogus. I think we've killed all ft references in the tree... No, wst is still used by pc98, and wt is the Wangtek tape driver. wst and ast are weird names. Doesn't the "s" in them stand for "SCSI" and not "streaming", so wst is the so-called-Winchester (non-SCSI) SCSI tape driver, etc? For completeness, we should have had nrrrwsst (the non-rewinding rewinding raw so-called-Winchester streaming SCSI tape driver) ;-). Seriously, why aren't there "n" and "e" forms of ast? Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 3:57:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from logger.gamma.ru (logger.gamma.ru [194.186.254.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B35437B959; Tue, 9 May 2000 03:57:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ivt@logger.gamma.ru) Received: (from ivt@localhost) by logger.gamma.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA56920; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:56:58 +0400 (MSD) From: Igor Timkin Message-Id: <200005091056.OAA56920@logger.gamma.ru> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet tcp.h tcp_input.c tcp_output.c tcp_timer.c tcp_var.h In-Reply-To: <20000507163844.A2126@yoko.hsc.fr> from Alain Thivillon at "May 7, 2000 04:38:44 pm" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:56:58 +0400 (MSD) Cc: Jonathan Lemon , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > Jonathan Lemon _crivait (wrote) : > > > jlemon 2000/05/05 20:31:10 PDT > > > > Modified files: > > sys/netinet tcp.h tcp_input.c tcp_output.c > > tcp_timer.c tcp_var.h > > Log: > > Implement TCP NewReno, as documented in RFC 2582. This allows > > better recovery for multiple packet losses in a single window. > > The algorithm can be toggled via the sysctl net.inet.tcp.newreno, > > which defaults to "on". > > > > Submitted by: Jayanth Vijayaraghavan > > This seems to have serious side effects on some TCP connections. > My ssh connection to a Linux server dies randomly wicth 'Connection > reset by peer', remote log shows: > > May 7 16:31:13 hsc sshd[25825]: fatal: Local: Bad packet length 300903990. > > setting net.inet.tcp.newreno to 0 fix my problem. > > If this can help : i'm running -CURRENT from yesterday, i am using > stock ssh-1.2.27 (not openssh) on both sides on 33.6kbps ppp connection. The same problem. Local is openssh (current), remote is ssh-1.2.22 (2.2.6), slip ~24kbps connection. Remote log: May 9 09:59:17 crocus sshd[21285]: fatal: Local: Corrupted check bytes on input. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 4:35:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from pawn.primelocation.net (pawn.primelocation.net [205.161.238.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209C137BF65 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 04:35:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jedgar@fxp.org) Received: from earth.fxp (unknown [207.192.76.238]) by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E449B1D; Tue, 9 May 2000 07:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 07:35:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chris D. Faulhaber" X-Sender: jedgar@earth.fxp To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Erik de Zeeuw , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MAKEDEV warning with sysinstall ? In-Reply-To: <76875.957863379@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 May 2000, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On Mon, 08 May 2000 15:41:55 EST, Erik de Zeeuw wrote: > > > I ran MAKEDEV all, but the message still appear. The messages I found > > about this on the archives says to do a 'ls -l /dev | grep ^b', and > > to remake all devices listed, but there's no device listed when I'm > > doing the 'ls -l /dev | grep ^b'. > > I'm not sure what that'll score you. Try this: > > cd /dev > for i in `ls`; do if test -b $i; then echo $i; fi; done > Hmmm... find /dev -type b -print ----- Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 5: 9:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E9037BE5B; Tue, 9 May 2000 05:08:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA16944; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:08:27 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:08:26 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Will Andrews Cc: FreeBSD Ports , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: rc.d startup scripts In-Reply-To: <20000506155749.K55274@argon.blackdawn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Errrmmm.... Really, did you check the archives for the issue? There used to be a real long thread on why/why not sysV style init scripts. It produced not one but several flamewars iirc 8-) In short - if we change from the present scheme, we want something better than just stop and restart entry points for the scripts. What happens if the restarting is not an atomic, independent act? On Sat, 6 May 2000, Will Andrews wrote: > Hello, > > I've noticed an inconsistency among our ports. It seems that not every port > that installs rc.d startup scripts includes methods to not only startup, > but also shutdown and/or restart, where appropriate. (Sent to -ports for > ports hackers' opinions.) > > Shouldn't this sort of thing be standardized? And maybe a similar method be > integrated into /etc/rc for restarting base system daemons? (Sent to > -current for src hackers' opinions.) > > Please continue specific discussion on either of these in their own list, > or if reply is general Cc both. > > -- > Will Andrews > GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- > ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ > G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 7:50:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E529937BE3D for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 07:50:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@c03-174.006.popsite.net [216.126.136.174]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26360; Tue, 9 May 2000 07:50:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id HAA09560; Tue, 9 May 2000 07:50:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 07:50:16 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Bruce Evans Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1) Message-ID: <20000509075016.C6350@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200005082141.PAA80142@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from bde@zeta.org.au on Tue, May 09, 2000 at 08:54:50PM +1000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 08:54:50PM +1000, Bruce Evans wrote: > wst and ast are weird names. Doesn't the "s" in them stand for "SCSI" > and not "streaming", so wst is the so-called-Winchester (non-SCSI) SCSI It does to me. But McKusick's mail I forwarded says "s" was for "streaming". -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 7:52:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9C837BE4D for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 07:52:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@c03-174.006.popsite.net [216.126.136.174]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26364; Tue, 9 May 2000 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id HAA11109; Tue, 9 May 2000 07:52:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 07:52:09 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Kenneth Wayne Culver Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: a better idea for package dependencies Message-ID: <20000509075209.D6350@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.org References: <20000508124300.A52207@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from culverk@wam.umd.edu on Mon, May 08, 2000 at 06:30:17PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 06:30:17PM -0400, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: > Actually, it has to do with the pkg_ commands, which I believe are built > when you make world... yes. > and aren't part of the ports, And are only used for Ports. Thus their behavior defines the behavior of the Ports Collection. Thus it is a Ports issue. IF the pkg_* utils were ports, how would you install them?? -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 8:28:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from internal.mail.demon.net (internal.mail.demon.net [193.195.224.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126EF37BE47 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 08:28:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fanf@demon.net) Received: from fanf.eng.demon.net (fanf.eng.demon.net [195.11.55.89]) by internal.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id QAA04735; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:28:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from fanf by fanf.eng.demon.net with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12pBvk-0006Bb-00; Tue, 09 May 2000 16:28:16 +0100 To: DougB@gorean.org From: Tony Finch Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rc.d startup scripts In-Reply-To: <3917B5DC.951BE936@gorean.org> References: Message-Id: Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 16:28:16 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doug Barton wrote: > > Point well taken. If anyone has references to this work, or an easy >introduction to netbsd's version I'd love to look at them. There's useful stuff in the rc(8) and rcorder(8) manual pages, but I can't find any more convenient copies of them other than by extracting NetBSD tar files. The scripts themselves look fairly easy to understand from just browsing around http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/. Tony. -- f.a.n.finch fanf@demon.net dot@dotat.at 421 manifold mosaic of the mundane To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 8:34: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rock.ghis.net (rock.ghis.net [209.222.164.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3980437BE26; Tue, 9 May 2000 08:34:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from argon.blackdawn.com (deepspace9.dcds.edu [207.231.151.2]) by rock.ghis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16106; Tue, 9 May 2000 08:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by argon.blackdawn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7DAD91953; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:04:51 -0400 From: Will Andrews To: Doug Barton Cc: Kris Kennaway , Will Andrews , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: rc.d startup scripts Message-ID: <20000509110451.B470@argon.blackdawn.com> References: <3917B5DC.951BE936@gorean.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3917B5DC.951BE936@gorean.org>; from DougB@gorean.org on Mon, May 08, 2000 at 11:53:16PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 11:53:16PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > Point well taken. If anyone has references to this work, or an easy > introduction to netbsd's version I'd love to look at them. I've been > hoping to carve out some time to work on this, but every time I talk > about vacation, my boss just laughs.... That's to be expected of a company like Yahoo!.... -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 9:12:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F8F37B7F9; Tue, 9 May 2000 09:12:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from culverk@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu (root@rac5.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.145]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14146; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac5.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA12810; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (culverk@localhost) by rac5.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12788; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:12:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac5.wam.umd.edu: culverk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:12:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Wayne Culver To: Doug Barton Cc: Tony Finch , kris@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rc.d startup scripts In-Reply-To: <3917B652.9C925B0F@gorean.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > Just curious, but wouldn't this be FreeSVR4??? :-) > > I'm going to assume that the smiley means you're joking, but I hope > that we can stick to discussing this plan on its merits, rather than > rejecting it out of hand because it's like something that someone else > is doing. > Yeah, I was just joking, I kinda like some things about SVR4, but I still think it would be nice to keep the option of using some of the regular rc scripts that we have now. Imagine the confusion of the people that have ONLY used FreeBSD when they go in and see rc.d and all it's scripts. Personally I kinda like the rc.d stuff better myself, but I'm just thinking about the average user. Ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 9:50:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from oxygen.yy.ics.keio.ac.jp (oxygen.yy.ics.keio.ac.jp [131.113.47.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C0437BF6A; Tue, 9 May 2000 09:50:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sanpei@sanpei.org) Received: from lavender.yy.cs.keio.ac.jp (ppp168.dialup.st.keio.ac.jp [131.113.27.168]) by oxygen.yy.ics.keio.ac.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id BAA16564; Wed, 10 May 2000 01:49:56 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from sanpei@sanpei.org) Received: (from sanpei@localhost) by lavender.yy.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) id BAA10966; Wed, 10 May 2000 01:49:51 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 01:49:51 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200005091649.BAA10966@lavender.yy.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: n_hibma@calcaphon.com Cc: wesleymorgan@home.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG, sanpei@sanpei.org, jlemon@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: LINT broken. (in_cksum changes) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 9 May 2000 19:20:20 JST". From: sanpei@sanpei.org (MIHIRA Yoshiro) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.21] 1997-12/23(Tue) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> > On Sun, 7 May 2000, Nick Hibma wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > Is it only me that ever compiles LINT? The checksum changes went in a >> > > few days ago. >> > > >> > > Please, people, when you move code around or change a function that is >> > > used in more than a fixed set of files, compile LINT. If unsure, compile >> > > LINT. It's an extra five minutes, but well worth it. >> > > >> > > linking kernel >> > > fil.o: In function `fr_tcpsum': >> > > fil.o(.text+0xf47): undefined reference to `in_cksum' >> > > ip_fil.o: In function `send_reset': >> > > ip_fil.o(.text+0xd7d): undefined reference to `in_cksum' >> > > ip_fil.o: In function `ipfr_fastroute': >> > > ip_fil.o(.text+0x10f1): undefined reference to `in_cksum' >> > > ip_fil.o(.text+0x1316): undefined reference to `in_cksum' >> > > ip_fil.o(.text+0x1380): undefined reference to `in_cksum' >> > > ip_mroute.o(.text+0x19d6): more undefined references to `in_cksum' >> > > follow I had same problem with below options: options IPFILTER #ipfilter support options IPFILTER_LOG #ipfilter logging options IPSEC #IP security I think this problem related to jlemon-san's commit. >jlemon 2000/05/06 11:18:33 PDT > > Modified files: > sys/alpha/alpha in_cksum.c > sys/alpha/include in_cksum.h > sys/i386/i386 in_cksum.c > sys/i386/include in_cksum.h > Log: > Make in_cksum() a macro call to in_cksum_skip(), since it provides the > same functionality. Sharing code should help cache issues. > > Remove in_cksum_partial, since its not being used, and we now have > a way to compute partial checksums on mbuf chains. in_cksum function was removed and change into macro. --- in sys/i386/include/in_cksum.h #define in_cksum(m, len) in_cksum_skip(m, len, 0) --- It needs to some code to compile with those options... MIHIRA Yoshiro To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 9:59:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9664037BE6B; Tue, 9 May 2000 09:59:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA77136; Tue, 9 May 2000 09:58:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <391843B2.97B86CEF@gorean.org> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 09:58:26 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0507 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Will Andrews Cc: Kris Kennaway , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: rc.d startup scripts References: <3917B5DC.951BE936@gorean.org> <20000509110451.B470@argon.blackdawn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Will Andrews wrote: > > On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 11:53:16PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > > Point well taken. If anyone has references to this work, or an easy > > introduction to netbsd's version I'd love to look at them. I've been > > hoping to carve out some time to work on this, but every time I talk > > about vacation, my boss just laughs.... > > That's to be expected of a company like Yahoo!.... Hey... easy there. :) They're actually pretty good about time off, but for better or worse I'm a central part of the current development cycle for the new products we're just about to release. I had some time off scheduled a while back, but I've had to slip it a couple times. I guess I should take it as a compliment that they won't let me leave... *chuckle* Doug -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 10: 4:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD19B37BD73; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:04:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA77158; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:04:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <39184503.726FE713@gorean.org> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 10:04:03 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0507 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kenneth Wayne Culver Cc: Tony Finch , kris@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rc.d startup scripts References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: > Yeah, I was just joking, I kinda like some things about SVR4, but I still > think it would be nice to keep the option of using some of the regular rc > scripts that we have now. Imagine the confusion of the people that have > ONLY used FreeBSD when they go in and see rc.d and all it's > scripts. Personally I kinda like the rc.d stuff better myself, but I'm > just thinking about the average user. What does the average user do with the rc scripts? (BTW, I'm not being combative here, just using your letter as an opportunity...) In my outline we would still have /etc/rc.conf[.local], which is what the average user interacts with now. It's what happens behind the scenes that I want to change. The way that the various services get started. Instead of the arcane, confusing system of rc* files we have now (most of which grew out of necessity, don't get me wrong) we would have a system that could be used at startup, and then also used while the system is running to upgrade and downgrade individual bits, or groups of bits. Doug -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 10:12:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from prism.flugsvamp.com (cb58709-a.mdsn1.wi.home.com [24.17.241.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F73D37B9C8; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:12:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@flugsvamp.com) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by prism.flugsvamp.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10001; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:16:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jlemon) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:16:58 -0500 From: Jonathan Lemon To: MIHIRA Yoshiro Cc: n_hibma@calcaphon.com, wesleymorgan@home.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG, jlemon@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LINT broken. (in_cksum changes) Message-ID: <20000509121658.A8909@prism.flugsvamp.com> References: <200005091649.BAA10966@lavender.yy.cs.keio.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <200005091649.BAA10966@lavender.yy.cs.keio.ac.jp> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 01:49:51AM +0900, MIHIRA Yoshiro wrote: > >> > On Sun, 7 May 2000, Nick Hibma wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Is it only me that ever compiles LINT? The checksum changes went in a > >> > > few days ago. > >> > > > >> > > Please, people, when you move code around or change a function that is > >> > > used in more than a fixed set of files, compile LINT. If unsure, compile > >> > > LINT. It's an extra five minutes, but well worth it. > >> > > > >> > > linking kernel > >> > > fil.o: In function `fr_tcpsum': > >> > > fil.o(.text+0xf47): undefined reference to `in_cksum' > >> > > ip_fil.o: In function `send_reset': > >> > > ip_fil.o(.text+0xd7d): undefined reference to `in_cksum' > >> > > ip_fil.o: In function `ipfr_fastroute': > >> > > ip_fil.o(.text+0x10f1): undefined reference to `in_cksum' > >> > > ip_fil.o(.text+0x1316): undefined reference to `in_cksum' > >> > > ip_fil.o(.text+0x1380): undefined reference to `in_cksum' > >> > > ip_mroute.o(.text+0x19d6): more undefined references to `in_cksum' > >> > > follow > > I had same problem with below options: > > options IPFILTER #ipfilter support > options IPFILTER_LOG #ipfilter logging > options IPSEC #IP security > > I think this problem related to jlemon-san's commit. Yes, my abject apologies. I just committed Nick's fix to the tree to resolve this. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 10:22:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8692B37B6A4 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:22:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bsdx@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26947 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:23:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:23:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a better idea for package dependencies In-Reply-To: <20000509075209.D6350@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 May 2000, David O'Brien wrote: >On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 06:30:17PM -0400, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: >> Actually, it has to do with the pkg_ commands, which I believe are built >> when you make world... > >yes. > >> and aren't part of the ports, > >And are only used for Ports. Thus their behavior defines the behavior of >the Ports Collection. Thus it is a Ports issue. IF the pkg_* utils were >ports, how would you install them?? > >-- David (obrien@NUXI.com) Am I missing something? I thought ports only need some .mk files and make? (Along with tools to get those there, including the port itself, at most fetch or ftp, and tar?) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 10:29:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C9E37B9C8 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:29:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@c07-170.006.popsite.net [64.24.39.170]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27001; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:29:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA64865; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:29:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:29:12 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Adam Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a better idea for package dependencies Message-ID: <20000509102912.D28677@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <20000509075209.D6350@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from bsdx@looksharp.net on Tue, May 09, 2000 at 01:23:09PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 01:23:09PM -0400, Adam wrote: > >And are only used for Ports. Thus their behavior defines the behavior of > >the Ports Collection. Thus it is a Ports issue. IF the pkg_* utils were > >ports, how would you install them?? > > Am I missing something? I thought ports only need some .mk files and > make? (Along with tools to get those there, including the port itself, at > most fetch or ftp, and tar?) Packages (ie, those things that pkg_{create,add,delete,info} operate on are created with in /usr/ports. When one builds a port and installs it, pkg_{create,add} is run on the backend behind your back. If you ``make package'' yourself, you will get a package tarball. These are the files on the FTP site and CDROM disc in the package/ dir. You install these by ``pkg_add foo''. You delete the package (ie, the thing built in /usr/ports) with ``pkg_delete foo''. Hopefully some day, parts of the /usr/src bits will be installed with the pkg_* utils, but today only things in /usr/ports are used with the pkg_* utils. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 10:31:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364E537B621 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:31:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@c07-170.006.popsite.net [64.24.39.170]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27018; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:31:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA64885; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:31:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:31:43 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Kenneth Wayne Culver Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rc.d startup scripts Message-ID: <20000509103143.E28677@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3917B652.9C925B0F@gorean.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from culverk@wam.umd.edu on Tue, May 09, 2000 at 12:12:44PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 12:12:44PM -0400, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: > Yeah, I was just joking, I kinda like some things about SVR4, but I still > think it would be nice to keep the option of using some of the regular rc > scripts that we have now. What I am prosing aguments what we have today (in ports) and simply adds argment targets. No arguments to the RC script would give you the same behavior you see today. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 10:36:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65FB37BE08; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:36:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08092; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:36:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:36:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200005091736.NAA08092@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Adam , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: a better idea for package dependencies In-Reply-To: <20000509102912.D28677@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20000509075209.D6350@dragon.nuxi.com> <20000509102912.D28677@dragon.nuxi.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: > Packages (ie, those things that pkg_{create,add,delete,info} operate on > are created with in /usr/ports. Not necessarily, and certainly not in the very beginning. I remember a number of times seeing a third-party software vendor who provided their product in that form, just as many third-party vendors now ship *.rpm files (and always shipped SCO and Solaris ``packages''). -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 10:57:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from kaon.intercom.com (kaon.intercom.com [198.143.3.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B6037B6FE for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:57:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@intercom.com) Received: from shagalicious.com ([206.98.165.250] helo=intercom.com ident=fernando) by kaon.intercom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12pEFs-0002MJ-00 for current@freebsd.org; Tue, 09 May 2000 13:57:12 -0400 Message-ID: <39185178.EC04781A@intercom.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 13:57:12 -0400 From: "Jason J. Horton" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@freebsd.org Subject: tcp/ip broken? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Did a cvsup on saturday, make world etc and now TCP/IP networking seems to be broken. dmesg shows the devices, ifconfig configs everything without error, but cant ping, telnet, ssh etc off of the server. Even set up PPP with the same results. Downside to this is that I cannot cvsup to something more current to see if it fixes the problem. Any known issues with recent commits? -- -Jason J. Horton Fat Man in a Little Coat Intercom Online Inc. 212.376.7440 | http://www.intercom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 11: 0: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D51237B835 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:59:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@c07-170.006.popsite.net [64.24.39.170]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27236; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:59:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA65317; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:59:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:59:47 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Garrett Wollman Cc: Adam , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: a better idea for package dependencies Message-ID: <20000509105947.A65299@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000509075209.D6350@dragon.nuxi.com> <20000509102912.D28677@dragon.nuxi.com> <200005091736.NAA08092@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200005091736.NAA08092@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>; from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu on Tue, May 09, 2000 at 01:36:03PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 01:36:03PM -0400, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Not necessarily, and certainly not in the very beginning. I remember > a number of times seeing a third-party software vendor who provided > their product in that form, just as many third-party vendors now ship > *.rpm files (and always shipped SCO and Solaris ``packages''). Yes. But with the Ports Collection being the biggest consumer of pkg_*, there is more pkg_* clue on ports@freebsd.org than current@freebsd.org. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 11: 1: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [207.154.226.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7667237BF00 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:00:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@elvis.mu.org) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9BB712B248; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:00:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:00:39 -0700 From: Paul Saab To: "Jason J. Horton" Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tcp/ip broken? Message-ID: <20000509110039.A40779@elvis.mu.org> References: <39185178.EC04781A@intercom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <39185178.EC04781A@intercom.com>; from jason@intercom.com on Tue, May 09, 2000 at 01:57:12PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Update your source again. This has been fixed. paul Jason J. Horton (jason@intercom.com) wrote: > Did a cvsup on saturday, make world etc and now TCP/IP networking seems > to be broken. dmesg shows the devices, ifconfig configs everything > without > error, but cant ping, telnet, ssh etc off of the server. Even set up PPP > with the same results. Downside to this is that I cannot cvsup to > something > more current to see if it fixes the problem. Any known issues with > recent > commits? > > -- > -Jason J. Horton > Fat Man in a Little Coat > Intercom Online Inc. > 212.376.7440 | http://www.intercom.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- Paul Saab Technical Yahoo paul@mu.org - ps@yahoo-inc.com - ps@freebsd.org Do You .. uhh .. Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 12: 6:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B1437BEB0; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:06:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA49809; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:06:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA87313; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:05:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200005091905.NAA87313@harmony.village.org> To: Bruce Evans Subject: Re: Undocumented tape devices in pax(1) Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 May 2000 20:54:50 +1000." References: Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 13:05:46 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Bruce Evans writes: : On Mon, 8 May 2000, Warner Losh wrote: : : > Leaving aside the 'r' question for the moment... : > : > Should that be sa or ast? sa is the scsi device for any tape device : > (formerly st or mt), while ast is for ide/atapi based tape drives. : : It should be ssa and asa, of course :-). :-) We should at least add a referecne to ast. However, there is no ast man page. : > The wt and wst devices referenced in our man pages are just plain : > bogus. I think we've killed all ft references in the tree... : : No, wst is still used by pc98, and wt is the Wangtek tape driver. OK. : wst and ast are weird names. Doesn't the "s" in them stand for "SCSI" : and not "streaming", so wst is the so-called-Winchester (non-SCSI) SCSI : tape driver, etc? For completeness, we should have had nrrrwsst (the : non-rewinding rewinding raw so-called-Winchester streaming SCSI tape : driver) ;-). Seriously, why aren't there "n" and "e" forms of ast? IIRC, The s in st is streaming. Since there was only one streaming tape driver, it wasn't called sst and the name came over from SunOS (but there may be a more direct path via the BSD trees). However, this argument is weak because sd was the scsi disk and not the streaming disk. I don't know why there aren't n forms. There are on my system, but I crated the devices by hand based on the st entries that I had when I was beta testing Soren's wst driver (later recreated them for the ast driver). Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 12:18: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB9037BED9 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:18:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12pFW2-0001fV-0U; Tue, 9 May 2000 20:17:59 +0100 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA48041; Tue, 9 May 2000 20:20:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:22:25 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Mike Pritchard Cc: Kenneth Wayne Culver , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: proposed pkg_delete change In-Reply-To: <20000508063936.E64839@mppsystems.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 8 May 2000, Mike Pritchard wrote: > On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 02:10:28AM -0400, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: > > I have a suggestion for pkg_delete: Very often when I'm deleting a package > > (such as kde, after testing the port) I want to delete that package, and > > all it's dependancies; instead of going around looking for the > > dependancies, I think it would be a nice idea to add an option to > > pkg_delete to automatically delete all dependancies that aren't currently > > used by anything else. If nobody is interested in doing this, I can do it > > when I have some spare time (finals here at school). And then submit > > patches. > > That would have saved me a *lot* of time about a month ago when I > went and weeded out all of my packages when my /usr filled up. > I basically did what you are proposing by hand and it took forever. > e.g. pkg_delete some_package - oops, it depends on pkg_xxx, delete that, > oops, it depends on pkg_xxx2, and so on, when in reality that only > reason any of those additional packages were installed were for the > original package. I just go to /var/db/pkg and type 'pkg_delete kde*' a few times. After a while they all get deleted. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 20 8442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 12:24:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFC137BF82; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:24:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bsdx@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28059; Tue, 9 May 2000 15:24:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:24:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam To: "David O'Brien" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: a better idea for package dependencies In-Reply-To: <20000509102912.D28677@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 May 2000, David O'Brien wrote: >On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 01:23:09PM -0400, Adam wrote: >> >And are only used for Ports. Thus their behavior defines the behavior of >> >the Ports Collection. Thus it is a Ports issue. IF the pkg_* utils were >> >ports, how would you install them?? >> >> Am I missing something? I thought ports only need some .mk files and >> make? (Along with tools to get those there, including the port itself, at >> most fetch or ftp, and tar?) > >Packages (ie, those things that pkg_{create,add,delete,info} operate on >are created with in /usr/ports. When one builds a port and installs it, >pkg_{create,add} is run on the backend behind your back. If you >``make package'' yourself, you will get a package tarball. These are the >files on the FTP site and CDROM disc in the package/ dir. You install >these by ``pkg_add foo''. You delete the package (ie, the thing built in >/usr/ports) with ``pkg_delete foo''. > >Hopefully some day, parts of the /usr/src bits will be installed with the >pkg_* utils, but today only things in /usr/ports are used with the pkg_* >utils. Ahh I see now that I try renaming pkg_create and installing a port, however the program is not needed until the very end when it registers (or tries to make an actual package if you "make package"). I cant comment on the complexity of registering a port as an installed package because I havent read the code, but it doesnt look too complex according to whats in /var/db/pkg... perhaps more makefile things could be done to register a package. I am seeing +COMMENT +CONTENTS +DESC in a simple port dir, and if it depends on other things, +REQUIRED_BY... thinking optimistically that this stuff could be acheived with simple commands like echo myport >> /var/db/foo/+REQUIRED_BY, and maybe grep to help with removing things from REQ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 12:40:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46EB837C245 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:36:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@c07-170.006.popsite.net [64.24.39.170]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27958; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:36:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA66055; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:36:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:36:37 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Adam Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: a better idea for package dependencies Message-ID: <20000509123637.A66034@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000509102912.D28677@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from bsdx@looksharp.net on Tue, May 09, 2000 at 03:24:25PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 03:24:25PM -0400, Adam wrote: > I cant comment on the complexity of registering a port as an installed > package because I havent read the code, but it doesnt look too complex > according to whats in /var/db/pkg... perhaps more makefile things could > be done to register a package. I am seeing +COMMENT +CONTENTS > +DESC in a simple port dir, and if it depends on other things, > +REQUIRED_BY... thinking optimistically that this stuff could be > acheived with simple commands like echo myport >> > /var/db/foo/+REQUIRED_BY, and maybe grep to help with removing things > from REQ... PLEASE get a CLUE about pkg_* and ports BEFORE commenting further. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 13: 1:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.bart.nl (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84BAD37C45F for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:55:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@lucifer.bart.nl) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.bart.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10044; Tue, 9 May 2000 21:53:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:53:58 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: Alan Cox Cc: Soren Schmidt , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks Message-ID: <20000509215358.C9895@lucifer.bart.nl> References: <20000509041401.F25972@cs.rice.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000509041401.F25972@cs.rice.edu>; from alc@cs.rice.edu on Tue, May 09, 2000 at 04:14:01AM -0500 Organisation: VIA Net.Works The Netherlands Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20000509 11:20], Alan Cox (alc@cs.rice.edu) wrote: >In summary, same disks, three different controllers, problems only >occur with the Highpoint controller. (I believe the Abit BP6 uses >the Highpoint controller.) It does. It might be worthwhile to note that there are updates of the BP6 BIOS and the HPT366, but given the knowledge we don't use the BIOS of the HPT366 I don't know how much good that will do aside from a better system BIOS which you also get from the upgrade. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator VIA Net.Works The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl Light, a quark resolution of god... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 13:33:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ct.home.com [24.2.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F5337BFE6 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:32:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsikora@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.2.168.186]) by mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000509203227.XRSX18096.mail.rdc1.ct.home.com@home.com>; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:32:27 -0700 Message-ID: <39187630.B67237B8@home.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 16:33:52 -0400 From: Ted Sikora Reply-To: tsikora@powerusersbbs.com Organization: Jtl Development X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alan Cox , "current@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks References: <20000509041401.F25972@cs.rice.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alan Cox wrote: > > About two days ago, I tested a machine with four IDE drives > each on its own cable as the master. All four drives were: > > ad0: 29311MB [59554/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA66 > > I used the motherboard controller to support two of the drives. It was a > > atapci0: port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 31.1 on pci0 > > and a Highpoint-based ATA66 controller for the other two drives. The > Highpoint locked up with the "resetting devices" message as soon > as the system was stressed. I replaced the Highpoint controller > with a Promise ATA66 and didn't see any problems after that. (I've > never seen any problems with the Maxtor's on the Intel ATA66 controller > either.) > > In summary, same disks, three different controllers, problems only > occur with the Highpoint controller. (I believe the Abit BP6 uses > the Highpoint controller.) > > I use the BP6 with FreeBSD-current and Slackware. The Highpoint works great with FreeBSD however I have a problem with the Maxtor running fsck under Linux. This has occurred since the beginning of support for the Highpoint. I have used Hedricks patches and nagged him about problems but the only remaining issue is fsck. It works perfectly with the PIIX controller. Benchmarks sizzle with the Maxtor/Highpoint almost 24MB/sec so the tradeoff is acceptable(to me). The best the IBM could muster was 20MB/sec. The Maxtor/PIIX runs a little over 19MB/sec occasionally hitting 20MB/sec. Regards, -- Ted Sikora Jtl Development Group tsikora@powerusersbbs.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 13:43:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ct.home.com [24.2.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4D037BF17 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:43:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsikora@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.2.168.186]) by mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000509204304.XXLU18096.mail.rdc1.ct.home.com@home.com> for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:43:04 -0700 Message-ID: <391878AD.F146C347@home.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 16:44:29 -0400 From: Ted Sikora Reply-To: tsikora@powerusersbbs.com Organization: Jtl Development X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "current@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks References: <200005080744.JAA52151@freebsd.dk> <53750.957772674@verdi.nethelp.no> <20000509085413.A61921@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > > On Monday, 8 May 2000 at 9:57:54 +0200, sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > >> Not all non IBM disks has problems, that was not the message back > >> then, at least not from me. What I said, and still says, is that > >> Maxtor and WDC has a bad reputation on making drives that can't work > >> reliably with UDMA66, quantum has its share too but not so bad. > > > > There are some WDC disks that work nicely. This is from a BP6 board too: > > > > ad0: 26105MB [53040/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33 > > ad1: 26105MB [53040/16/63] at ata1-master using UDMA33 > > ad2: 26105MB [53040/16/63] at ata2-master using UDMA66 > > ad3: 26105MB [53040/16/63] at ata3-master using UDMA66 > > > > As far as I know, the WD273BA is in reality a DPTA-372730 in disguise, > > so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Anybody know if it's possible to > > put the original IBM firmware on these disks? > > I've been having trouble with this one in UDMA66 mode, also on a BP6. > The system just hangs solid at random: > > ad4: 13042MB [26500/16/63] at ata2-master using UDMA66 > > It works fine on UDMA33. > > I notice that you have ad2 and ad3 running in UDMA66 mode. I didn't > realise this was possible; I'll experiment. > If you shut off the PIIX contoller in the BIOS the Highpoint uses ad0-3 if not it uses ad4-7 I have found problems with cdroms on the highpoint so I use both. Not the controllers fault but the applications. -- Ted Sikora Jtl Development Group tsikora@powerusersbbs.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 14: 0:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B1537B5B5; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:00:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bsdx@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29023; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:01:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:01:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam To: "David O'Brien" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: a better idea for package dependencies In-Reply-To: <20000509123637.A66034@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 03:24:25PM -0400, Adam wrote: >> I cant comment on the complexity of registering a port as an installed >> package because I havent read the code, but it doesnt look too complex >> according to whats in /var/db/pkg... perhaps more makefile things could >> be done to register a package. I am seeing +COMMENT +CONTENTS >> +DESC in a simple port dir, and if it depends on other things, >> +REQUIRED_BY... thinking optimistically that this stuff could be >> acheived with simple commands like echo myport >> >> /var/db/foo/+REQUIRED_BY, and maybe grep to help with removing things >> from REQ... > >PLEASE get a CLUE about pkg_* and ports BEFORE commenting further. >-- David (obrien@NUXI.com) Good suggestion. Did some reading in bsd.port.mk and came up with the basis for a hack to get a port installed without pkg_*. If only total elegant solutions are entertained here then I will say no further, but here goes: cd /usr/ports/foo/pkg_create make NO_PKG_REGISTER install (pkg_create gets installed but not recorded) Since you claim superior knowledge about ports than me, I wont bother explaining it. I'm only trying to satisfy your original question. " IF the pkg_* utils were ports, how would you install them??" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 14:17:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520E637B918; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:17:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from culverk@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac8.wam.umd.edu (root@rac8.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.148]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13124; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac8.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac8.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA26698; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (culverk@localhost) by rac8.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26694; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:17:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac8.wam.umd.edu: culverk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:17:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Wayne Culver To: Doug Barton Cc: Tony Finch , kris@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rc.d startup scripts In-Reply-To: <39184503.726FE713@gorean.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Yeah, I was just joking, I kinda like some things about SVR4, but I still > > think it would be nice to keep the option of using some of the regular rc > > scripts that we have now. Imagine the confusion of the people that have > > ONLY used FreeBSD when they go in and see rc.d and all it's > > scripts. Personally I kinda like the rc.d stuff better myself, but I'm > > just thinking about the average user. > > What does the average user do with the rc scripts? (BTW, I'm not being > combative here, just using your letter as an opportunity...) In my > outline we would still have /etc/rc.conf[.local], which is what the > average user interacts with now. It's what happens behind the scenes > that I want to change. The way that the various services get started. > Instead of the arcane, confusing system of rc* files we have now (most > of which grew out of necessity, don't get me wrong) we would have a > system that could be used at startup, and then also used while the > system is running to upgrade and downgrade individual bits, or groups of > bits. > Well, I guess I am not an average user then. I have customized most of my rc scripts. You are right though, it seems much better to "change what goes on behind the scenes" because it took me quite a while to learn what everything we have now did, and it took me only a day or two to figure out how to use the system you describe (well the back end anyway) Ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 14:27:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu (po3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A7437C303 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:27:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from culverk@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac8.wam.umd.edu (root@rac8.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.148]) by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09563; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac8.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac8.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA27046; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (culverk@localhost) by rac8.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27041; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:27:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac8.wam.umd.edu: culverk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:27:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Wayne Culver To: Doug Rabson Cc: Mike Pritchard , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: proposed pkg_delete change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yeah, but some ports and projects don't have the same beginning to their names which prompted me to make my suggestion. ================================================================= | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best OS around. | | Unix Systems Administrator | ICQ #: 24767726 | | and student at The | AIM: muythaibxr | | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under Construction) | | College Park. | http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/| ================================================================= On Tue, 9 May 2000, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Mon, 8 May 2000, Mike Pritchard wrote: > > > On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 02:10:28AM -0400, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: > > > I have a suggestion for pkg_delete: Very often when I'm deleting a package > > > (such as kde, after testing the port) I want to delete that package, and > > > all it's dependancies; instead of going around looking for the > > > dependancies, I think it would be a nice idea to add an option to > > > pkg_delete to automatically delete all dependancies that aren't currently > > > used by anything else. If nobody is interested in doing this, I can do it > > > when I have some spare time (finals here at school). And then submit > > > patches. > > > > That would have saved me a *lot* of time about a month ago when I > > went and weeded out all of my packages when my /usr filled up. > > I basically did what you are proposing by hand and it took forever. > > e.g. pkg_delete some_package - oops, it depends on pkg_xxx, delete that, > > oops, it depends on pkg_xxx2, and so on, when in reality that only > > reason any of those additional packages were installed were for the > > original package. > > I just go to /var/db/pkg and type 'pkg_delete kde*' a few times. After a > while they all get deleted. > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 20 8442 9037 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 14:50:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero.simon-shapiro.org [207.69.194.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A69D037BA82 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:50:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 97203 invoked from network); 9 May 2000 22:42:11 -0000 Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (209.86.126.163) by sendero.simon-shapiro.org with SMTP; 9 May 2000 22:42:11 -0000 Content-Length: 1585 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 17:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: Simon's Garage From: Simon Shapiro To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Compilation Question Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Y'll A kernel source file that compiles flawlessly on RELEG_3, gives (among many others, these warnings: cc -c -O -pipe -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wm issing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ans i -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 ../../i2o/i2o_drv.c In file included from ../../i2o/include/i2oadptr.h:32, from ../../i2o/i2o_drv.c:357: ../../i2o/include/i2omsg.h: warning: 1 trigraph(s) encountered In file included from ../../i2o/include/i2obscsi.h:29, from ../../i2o/i2o_drv.c:358: ../../i2o/include/i2omsg.h: warning: 1 trigraph(s) encountered In file included from ../../i2o/include/i2oexec.h:37, from ../../i2o/i2o_drv.c:362: ../../i2o/include/i2omsg.h: warning: 1 trigraph(s) encountered In file included from ../../i2o/include/i2outil.h:37, from ../../i2o/include/i2oexec.h:38, from ../../i2o/i2o_drv.c:362: ../../i2o/include/i2omsg.h: warning: 1 trigraph(s) encountered In file included from ../../i2o/i2o_drv.c:363: ../../i2o/include/i2omsg.h: warning: 1 trigraph(s) encountered I have _no clue_ which line in the file does that. Tried to isolate it to no avail. Can you please tell me what does this wanring mean? Personal replies as to not clutter the list will be very appreciated. Thanx! Sincerely Yours 404.664.6401 Simon Shapiro Research Fellow, Earthlink Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 15:30:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3298837C058 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 15:30:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daemon@mips.inka.de) Received: from bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 12pIWZ-0002ll-00; Wed, 10 May 2000 00:30:43 +0200 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA79179 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 May 2000 00:05:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: unknown: Date: 10 May 2000 00:05:46 +0200 Message-ID: <8fa23q$2da3$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just updated an i386 machine after a month to the latest 5.0-CURRENT, and I now get some strange boot messages: isa0: too many memory ranges ... unknown0: at port 0x20-0x21,0xa0-0xa1 irq 2 on isa0 unknown1: at port 0-0xf,0x81-0x83,0x87,0x89-0x8b,0x8f-0x91,0xc0-0xdf drq 4 on isa0 unknown2: at port 0x40-0x43 irq 0 on isa0 unknown3: at port 0x70-0x71 irq 8 on isa0 unknown: can't assign resources unknown4: at port 0x61 on isa0 npxisa0: at port 0xf0-0xff irq 13 on isa0 unknown5: at iomem 0xf0000-0xf3fff,0xf4000-0xf7fff,0xf8000-0xfffff,0xcc800-0xcffff,0-0x9ffff,0xfffe0000-0xffffffff,0xfec00000-0xfec0ffff,0xfee00000-0xfee0ffff on isa0 unknown6: at port 0x4d0-0x4d1,0xcf8-0xcff,0x480-0x48f on isa0 unknown7: at port 0x208-0x20f on isa0 unknown: can't assign resources unknown: can't assign resources unknown8: at port 0x378-0x37b,0x778-0x77a irq 7 on isa0 unknown: can't assign resources Any comments? -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 16: 5:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero.simon-shapiro.org [207.69.194.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B4CF37B5D2 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:05:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 98178 invoked from network); 9 May 2000 23:57:09 -0000 Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (209.86.126.163) by sendero.simon-shapiro.org with SMTP; 9 May 2000 23:57:09 -0000 Content-Length: 588 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 19:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: Simon's Garage From: Simon Shapiro To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: One more question (different now) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Again, Since you were so kind to me, I will impose another one on you (the previous answers were _all_ correct! ) Given: typedef struct junk { ... } junk_t volatile junk_t trash; What I want to do is zero out trash. bzero(trash, sizeof(junk_t)); produces a warning about loss of volatility. So does: bzero((void *)&trash, sizeof(junk_t)); So, how do I make everyone happy? Oh, the struct has to be volatile. Trust me on that one. Sincerely Yours 404.664.6401 Simon Shapiro Research Fellow, Earthlink Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 16:21:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A03C37B5D2 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:21:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09313; Tue, 9 May 2000 19:21:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:21:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200005092321.TAA09313@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: One more question (different now) In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: > So does: > bzero((void *)&trash, sizeof(junk_t)); > So, how do I make everyone happy? Put a comment on that line indicating that a warning is expected. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 16:27:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (adsl-63-202-176-114.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.176.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7308E37B505 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:27:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20838; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:27:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200005092327.QAA20838@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: One more question (different now) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 May 2000 19:08:21 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 16:27:10 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The only answer I've seen for this one is to kick, hard, whoever it was that added -Wcast-qual to the kernel options. Or write your own, suboptimal, bzero code. > Hi Again, > > Since you were so kind to me, I will impose another > one on you (the previous answers were _all_ correct! ) > > Given: > > typedef struct junk { > ... > } junk_t > > volatile junk_t trash; > > What I want to do is zero out trash. > > bzero(trash, sizeof(junk_t)); > > produces a warning about loss of volatility. > So does: > > bzero((void *)&trash, sizeof(junk_t)); > > So, how do I make everyone happy? > > Oh, the struct has to be volatile. Trust me on that one. > > > > Sincerely Yours > 404.664.6401 > Simon Shapiro Research Fellow, Earthlink Inc. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > Hi Again, > > Since you were so kind to me, I will impose another > one on you (the previous answers were _all_ correct! ) > > Given: > > typedef struct junk { > ... > } junk_t > > volatile junk_t trash; > > What I want to do is zero out trash. > > bzero(trash, sizeof(junk_t)); > > produces a warning about loss of volatility. > So does: > > bzero((void *)&trash, sizeof(junk_t)); > > So, how do I make everyone happy? > > Oh, the struct has to be volatile. Trust me on that one. > > > > Sincerely Yours > 404.664.6401 > Simon Shapiro Research Fellow, Earthlink Inc. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 16:35:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3FA37C0A0 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:35:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@c07-170.006.popsite.net [64.24.39.170]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29439; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:35:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA66989; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:35:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:35:28 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Adam Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: a better idea for package dependencies Message-ID: <20000509163528.A66967@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000509123637.A66034@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from bsdx@looksharp.net on Tue, May 09, 2000 at 05:01:02PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 05:01:02PM -0400, Adam wrote: > Since you claim superior knowledge about ports than me, I wont bother > explaining it. I'm only trying to satisfy your original question. > > " IF the pkg_* utils were ports, how would you install them??" I said that to make you think *WHY* pkg_* is in /usr/src and not /usr/ports, even though I said pkg_* issues are purely a ports issue. Geez. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 16:38:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26FA137BE66 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:38:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@c07-170.006.popsite.net [64.24.39.170]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29449 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:38:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA80714 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:38:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:38:28 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: One more question (different now) Message-ID: <20000509163828.A67002@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <200005092327.QAA20838@mass.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200005092327.QAA20838@mass.cdrom.com>; from msmith@freebsd.org on Tue, May 09, 2000 at 04:27:10PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 04:27:10PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > The only answer I've seen for this one is to kick, hard, whoever it was > that added -Wcast-qual to the kernel options. Or we should just delete it from the options. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 16:42:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (adsl-63-202-176-114.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.176.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FC337BA63; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:42:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20940; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:42:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200005092342.QAA20940@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: obrien@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: One more question (different now) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 May 2000 16:38:28 PDT." <20000509163828.A67002@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 16:42:13 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 04:27:10PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > The only answer I've seen for this one is to kick, hard, whoever it was > > that added -Wcast-qual to the kernel options. > > Or we should just delete it from the options. Ugh. I don't actually like that, because it serves a valid purpose. What irritates me mostly is just that there is no way of casting a volatile object into a non-volatile type, so you can't implement any sort of conditional volatility exclusion. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 17: 7:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9600937B652; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:07:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from l3107mxr.atl.hp.com (l3107mxr.atl.hp.com [15.19.254.19]) by palrel3.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06962BA4; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by l3107mxr.atl.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C667F4FDD3; Tue, 9 May 2000 20:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (gauss.cup.hp.com [15.28.97.152]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0.1) id RAA29640; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3918A802.A420EC76@cup.hp.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 17:06:26 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: One more question (different now) References: <200005092342.QAA20940@mass.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > Ugh. I don't actually like that, because it serves a valid purpose. > What irritates me mostly is just that there is no way of casting a > volatile object into a non-volatile type, so you can't implement any sort > of conditional volatility exclusion. You can however use a union and have a non-volatile object aliasing a volatile object as in: union u { volatile int vi; int nvi; }; -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 17:45:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC70237B548 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:45:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA68450; Tue, 9 May 2000 20:45:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:45:21 -0400 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: One more question (different now) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 7:08 PM -0400 5/9/00, Simon Shapiro wrote: >Given: > >typedef struct junk { > ... >} junk_t > >volatile junk_t trash; > >What I want to do is zero out trash. > >bzero(trash, sizeof(junk_t)); > >produces a warning about loss of volatility. >So, how do I make everyone happy? Write a 'bzerov' function, which takes a volatile first parameter. Presumably you could just copy the source for bzero and change the 1st parameter declaration... or write a dumb 'bzerov' macro, which casts the first parameter to be pointer to volatile char, and then loops over it setting to zero one byte at a time. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 18:41:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero.simon-shapiro.org [207.69.194.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F96337B5E9 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:41:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 99837 invoked from network); 10 May 2000 02:33:01 -0000 Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (209.86.126.163) by sendero.simon-shapiro.org with SMTP; 10 May 2000 02:33:01 -0000 Content-Length: 484 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 21:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: Simon's Garage From: Simon Shapiro To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: EVENTHANDLER_DECLARE Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry to bother y'll, but; Has anyone ever used that? I see no trace of any kernel code calling it, and the at_shutdown code appears to be gone. BTW, for all it is worth, any caching controller not using this is guaranteed to lose data. that can range from 4MB to 256MB, all of which the kernel is convinced was written to disk. IOW, disaster. Sincerely Yours 404.664.6401 Simon Shapiro Research Fellow, Earthlink Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 18:46:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (adsl-63-202-176-114.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.176.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64BB37BE16 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:46:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21402; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:46:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200005100146.SAA21402@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EVENTHANDLER_DECLARE In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 May 2000 21:44:12 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 18:46:27 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Sorry to bother y'll, but; > > Has anyone ever used that? I see no trace of any kernel > code calling it, and the at_shutdown code appears to be > gone. It's still used in the shutdown code; it was meant to be available for general use elsewhere, but I haven't seen anyone playing with it, so maybe the design tradeoffs were bad choices. > BTW, for all it is worth, any caching controller not using > this is guaranteed to lose data. Wrong layer. You should be using the bus shutdown method; look at eg. the Mylex driver to see how this is done. You should probably call your flush routine from the suspend method as well. (Note that the Mylex stuff doesn't correctly handle suspend/resume since we don't have a decent ACPI implementation yet) -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 18:47:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero.simon-shapiro.org [207.69.194.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A3C537B5BF for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:47:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 99919 invoked from network); 10 May 2000 02:38:59 -0000 Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (209.86.126.163) by sendero.simon-shapiro.org with SMTP; 10 May 2000 02:38:59 -0000 Content-Length: 1170 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3918A802.A420EC76@cup.hp.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 21:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: Simon's Garage From: Simon Shapiro To: Marcel Moolenaar Subject: Re: One more question (different now) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 10-May-00 Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > Mike Smith wrote: >> >> Ugh. I don't actually like that, because it serves a valid purpose. >> What irritates me mostly is just that there is no way of casting a >> volatile object into a non-volatile type, so you can't implement any sort >> of conditional volatility exclusion. > > You can however use a union and have a non-volatile object aliasing a > volatile object as in: > > union u { > volatile int vi; > int nvi; > }; And you know for a fact that the compiler will generate the right code. Right? :-) Even if it did, I feel nervous. What if, in the example above, the generated code does not clear the structure on time, as indicated? What about other cases where references to volatile data are being made? Thanx for the tip, though...! > > -- > Marcel Moolenaar > mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org > tel: (408) 447-4222 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message Sincerely Yours 404.664.6401 Simon Shapiro Research Fellow, Earthlink Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 18:53:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero.simon-shapiro.org [207.69.194.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BC54137B5CA for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:53:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 99992 invoked from network); 10 May 2000 02:44:59 -0000 Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (209.86.126.163) by sendero.simon-shapiro.org with SMTP; 10 May 2000 02:44:59 -0000 Content-Length: 759 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 21:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: Simon's Garage From: Simon Shapiro To: Simon Shapiro Subject: RE: EVENTHANDLER_DECLARE - solved Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Correction to the below message; Figured it out all by myself :-) Thanx! On 10-May-00 Simon Shapiro wrote: > Sorry to bother y'll, but; > > Has anyone ever used that? I see no trace of any kernel > code calling it, and the at_shutdown code appears to be > gone. > > BTW, for all it is worth, any caching controller not using > this is guaranteed to lose data. > > that can range from 4MB to 256MB, all of which the kernel > is convinced was written to disk. IOW, disaster. > > > Sincerely Yours > 404.664.6401 > Simon Shapiro Research Fellow, Earthlink Inc. Sincerely Yours 404.664.6401 Simon Shapiro Research Fellow, Earthlink Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 19: 1:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero.simon-shapiro.org [207.69.194.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D722737BEFB for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 19:00:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 167 invoked from network); 10 May 2000 02:51:41 -0000 Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (209.86.126.163) by sendero.simon-shapiro.org with SMTP; 10 May 2000 02:51:41 -0000 Content-Length: 1935 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200005100146.SAA21402@mass.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 22:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: Simon's Garage From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: EVENTHANDLER_DECLARE Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 10-May-00 Mike Smith wrote: >> Sorry to bother y'll, but; >> >> Has anyone ever used that? I see no trace of any kernel >> code calling it, and the at_shutdown code appears to be >> gone. > > It's still used in the shutdown code; it was meant to be available for > general use elsewhere, but I haven't seen anyone playing with it, so > maybe the design tradeoffs were bad choices. I dunno. It seems to do anything I need; Call me with an argument. I do not even need the priority. >> BTW, for all it is worth, any caching controller not using >> this is guaranteed to lose data. > > Wrong layer. You should be using the bus shutdown method; look at eg. > the Mylex driver to see how this is done. You should probably call your > flush routine from the suspend method as well. This is dangerous for the OSM. When the i2o OSM shuts an IOP down, it is history. It will stop doing any work at all; network, disk, console, mouse, whatever. I reserve that for really, really shutdown/reset. This needs to happen after all other shutdown work was done, but before a physical reset is sent to the hardware. There is no telling how long the IOP will take to return from flush request. > (Note that the Mylex stuff doesn't correctly handle suspend/resume since > we don't have a decent ACPI implementation yet) I can emulate suspend/resume in the OSM easily. Actually, it does that just before shutting down. A single line of code. > -- > \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith > \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message Sincerely Yours 404.664.6401 Simon Shapiro Research Fellow, Earthlink Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 19: 6:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F5B37B5C3; Tue, 9 May 2000 19:06:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07217; Tue, 9 May 2000 22:06:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:06:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Kenneth Wayne Culver , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: a better idea for package dependencies In-Reply-To: <20000509075209.D6350@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 May 2000, David O'Brien wrote: > On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 06:30:17PM -0400, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: > > Actually, it has to do with the pkg_ commands, which I believe are built > > when you make world... > > yes. > > > and aren't part of the ports, > > And are only used for Ports. Thus their behavior defines the behavior of > the Ports Collection. Thus it is a Ports issue. IF the pkg_* utils were > ports, how would you install them?? Oh, will you get off it? Finally someone posts something about a *technical* issue, it's got at least some reasonable claim to be on the list (it's sure involving sysinstall, if obliquely) and it's not giving a lot of noise. There must be better things to complain about. I could offer you maybe a dozen if you're not feeling particularly investigatory right now. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include C & Java programming, FreeBSD, chuckr@picnic.mat.net | electronics, communications, and signal processing. New Year's Resolution: I will not sphroxify gullible people into looking up fictitious words in the dictionary. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 19:14:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero.simon-shapiro.org [207.69.194.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B100037B5E9 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 19:14:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 363 invoked from network); 10 May 2000 03:05:38 -0000 Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (209.86.126.163) by sendero.simon-shapiro.org with SMTP; 10 May 2000 03:05:38 -0000 Content-Length: 1239 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200005092342.QAA20940@mass.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 22:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: Simon's Garage From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: One more question (different now) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, obrien@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 09-May-00 Mike Smith wrote: >> On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 04:27:10PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >> > The only answer I've seen for this one is to kick, hard, whoever it was >> > that added -Wcast-qual to the kernel options. >> >> Or we should just delete it from the options. > > Ugh. I don't actually like that, because it serves a valid purpose. > What irritates me mostly is just that there is no way of casting a > volatile object into a non-volatile type, so you can't implement any sort > of conditional volatility exclusion. Agree. It is a mess. Ideally, if an object is volatile, then it should be respected as so. always. The ANSI standard is too vague on this issue and the number of poor suckers that have to have it is too small. > -- > \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith > \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message Sincerely Yours 404.664.6401 Simon Shapiro Research Fellow, Earthlink Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 19:15:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (adsl-63-202-176-114.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.176.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7CF37B6C7 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 19:15:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21503; Tue, 9 May 2000 19:15:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200005100215.TAA21503@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EVENTHANDLER_DECLARE In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 May 2000 22:02:52 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 19:15:31 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > On 10-May-00 Mike Smith wrote: > >> Sorry to bother y'll, but; > >> > >> Has anyone ever used that? I see no trace of any kernel > >> code calling it, and the at_shutdown code appears to be > >> gone. > > > > It's still used in the shutdown code; it was meant to be available for > > general use elsewhere, but I haven't seen anyone playing with it, so > > maybe the design tradeoffs were bad choices. > > I dunno. It seems to do anything I need; Call me with an argument. > I do not even need the priority. It won't notify you that your code is about to be removed from the kernel. > >> BTW, for all it is worth, any caching controller not using > >> this is guaranteed to lose data. > > > > Wrong layer. You should be using the bus shutdown method; look at eg. > > the Mylex driver to see how this is done. You should probably call your > > flush routine from the suspend method as well. > > This is dangerous for the OSM. When the i2o OSM shuts an IOP > down, it is history. It will stop doing any work at all; network, > disk, console, mouse, whatever. I reserve that for really, really > shutdown/reset. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "dangerous". When your shutdown method is called, you're being told that you're about to stop being able to control your hardware, either because your code is about to be removed from the kernel (module unload) or because the system is being shut down. Before you return success from your shutdown method, you must have brought your hardware to a quiescent state, ready for immediate loss of power. It must not generate any more interrupts or access any more data once you have returned. You can veto your shutdown (by returning nonzero), which will fail a module unload, but _will_not_ fail a kernel shutdown. > This needs to happen after all other shutdown work was done, > but before a physical reset is sent to the hardware. > > There is no telling how long the IOP will take to return > from flush request. That's fine. Again, the Mylex driver is doing exactly what you're talking about; I've been down this path just a few times now. 8) > > (Note that the Mylex stuff doesn't correctly handle suspend/resume since > > we don't have a decent ACPI implementation yet) > > I can emulate suspend/resume in the OSM easily. > Actually, it does that just before shutting down. > A single line of code. I'm assuming that you depend on the platform firmware to bring it out of any of the deep sleep modes, re-enumerate the PCI bus and restore all of its volatile state? -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 19:17:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (peter1.yahoo.com [208.48.107.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A1937B593; Tue, 9 May 2000 19:17:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42DD71CE6; Tue, 9 May 2000 19:17:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: EVENTHANDLER_DECLARE In-Reply-To: Message from Simon Shapiro of "Tue, 09 May 2000 22:02:52 EDT." Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 19:17:41 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20000510021741.42DD71CE6@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Simon Shapiro wrote: > > On 10-May-00 Mike Smith wrote: > >> Sorry to bother y'll, but; > >> > >> Has anyone ever used that? I see no trace of any kernel > >> code calling it, and the at_shutdown code appears to be > >> gone. > > > > It's still used in the shutdown code; it was meant to be available for > > general use elsewhere, but I haven't seen anyone playing with it, so > > maybe the design tradeoffs were bad choices. > > I dunno. It seems to do anything I need; Call me with an argument. > I do not even need the priority. Well, you need to be called at "shutdown_post_sync" - anything before that is too soon as the kernel is still potentially pushing data out to the controller. This also happens to be where the module and bus shutdown events are called too. > >> BTW, for all it is worth, any caching controller not using > >> this is guaranteed to lose data. > > > > Wrong layer. You should be using the bus shutdown method; look at eg. > > the Mylex driver to see how this is done. You should probably call your > > flush routine from the suspend method as well. > > This is dangerous for the OSM. When the i2o OSM shuts an IOP > down, it is history. It will stop doing any work at all; network, > disk, console, mouse, whatever. I reserve that for really, really > shutdown/reset. > > This needs to happen after all other shutdown work was done, > but before a physical reset is sent to the hardware. > > There is no telling how long the IOP will take to return > from flush request. That is no problem.. you can take as long as you need. The filesystems are unmounted, all the system daemons have been shut down, all dirty data has been pushed to the controller, sync(2) has happened. The system will do nothing else until your controller's shutdown method has returned. If you want to reset it after doing the flush, there is nothing stopping you - you can do it however you need to. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 20:11: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5521237B593 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 20:11:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id MAA86470; Wed, 10 May 2000 12:40:17 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:40:17 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Alan Cox Cc: Soren Schmidt , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Abit BP6 - UDMA66 and non IBM disks Message-ID: <20000510124017.C86264@freebie.lemis.com> References: <20000509041401.F25972@cs.rice.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <20000509041401.F25972@cs.rice.edu> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday, 9 May 2000 at 4:14:01 -0500, Alan Cox wrote: > About two days ago, I tested a machine with four IDE drives > each on its own cable as the master. All four drives were: > > ad0: 29311MB [59554/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA66 > > I used the motherboard controller to support two of the drives. It was a > > atapci0: port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 31.1 on pci0 > > and a Highpoint-based ATA66 controller for the other two drives. The > Highpoint locked up with the "resetting devices" message as soon > as the system was stressed. I replaced the Highpoint controller > with a Promise ATA66 and didn't see any problems after that. (I've > never seen any problems with the Maxtor's on the Intel ATA66 controller > either.) > > In summary, same disks, three different controllers, problems only > occur with the Highpoint controller. (I believe the Abit BP6 uses > the Highpoint controller.) I've had these symptoms too, but with a Western Digital drive. I'm still trying to track them down. They don't happen when running on ata0 or ata1. Søren suspects it to be a problem with the drive. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 21: 1:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [203.2.75.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F8D37B6E1 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 21:01:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tpnelson@echidna.stu.cowan.edu.au) Received: from student.cowan.edu.au (pobax2-187.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.195.187]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29568; Wed, 10 May 2000 14:01:28 +1000 Message-ID: <3918DE21.3A952065@student.cowan.edu.au> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:57:21 +0800 From: Trent Nelson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: unknown: References: <8fa23q$2da3$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > I just updated an i386 machine after a month to the latest 5.0-CURRENT, > and I now get some strange boot messages: > > isa0: too many memory ranges > ... > unknown0: at port 0x20-0x21,0xa0-0xa1 irq 2 on isa0 > unknown1: at port 0-0xf,0x81-0x83,0x87,0x89-0x8b,0x8f-0x91,0xc0-0xdf drq 4 on isa0 Mike Smith wrote: > > > > Could someone please either take a look at this, or give an > > > authoritative comment as to why it's happening. > > This is the ISA PnP code reporting devices enumerated via the PnP BIOS. > At the moment, our support code isn't smart enough to use either the PnP > interface or the resource manager, so the unknown device claims these > resources to prevent anyone else trying to use them. It's quite > harmless, and once things are cleaned up, you won't even see the messages. Something else I've noticed in the mean time is that PnP devices like my printer - that are also on buses that are probed for PnP devices - end up being probed twice at boot time. Can anyone give an ETA on when this "support code", as Mike puts it, will work properly? > Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de Regards, Trent. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 9 21:28:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4386F37B6C5 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 21:28:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA83273; Tue, 9 May 2000 21:28:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <3918E550.2F804AB8@gorean.org> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 21:28:00 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0508 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Narvi Cc: Will Andrews , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: rc.d startup scripts References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Narvi wrote: > > Errrmmm.... Really, did you check the archives for the issue? > > There used to be a real long thread on why/why not sysV style init > scripts. It produced not one but several flamewars iirc 8-) > > In short - if we change from the present scheme, we want something better > than just stop and restart entry points for the scripts. > > What happens if the restarting is not an atomic, independent act? I already covered this. Please read all your mail on a thread before responding, thanks. Doug -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 10 1: 6:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD6F37B584; Wed, 10 May 2000 01:06:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12pRVv-000Ig6-0X; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:06:39 +0100 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14828; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:10:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:11:24 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Mike Smith Cc: obrien@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: One more question (different now) In-Reply-To: <200005092342.QAA20940@mass.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 May 2000, Mike Smith wrote: > > On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 04:27:10PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > > The only answer I've seen for this one is to kick, hard, whoever it was > > > that added -Wcast-qual to the kernel options. > > > > Or we should just delete it from the options. > > Ugh. I don't actually like that, because it serves a valid purpose. > What irritates me mostly is just that there is no way of casting a > volatile object into a non-volatile type, so you can't implement any sort > of conditional volatility exclusion. You can suppress the warning if you cast to uintptr_t first. Pretty ugly though. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 20 8442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 10 1:10:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6E837B69C; Wed, 10 May 2000 01:10:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12pRZU-000DvD-0W; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:10:20 +0100 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16819; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:13:39 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:15:00 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Mike Smith Cc: shimon@simon-shapiro.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EVENTHANDLER_DECLARE In-Reply-To: <200005100215.TAA21503@mass.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 May 2000, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > On 10-May-00 Mike Smith wrote: > > >> Sorry to bother y'll, but; > > >> > > >> Has anyone ever used that? I see no trace of any kernel > > >> code calling it, and the at_shutdown code appears to be > > >> gone. > > > > > > It's still used in the shutdown code; it was meant to be available for > > > general use elsewhere, but I haven't seen anyone playing with it, so > > > maybe the design tradeoffs were bad choices. > > > > I dunno. It seems to do anything I need; Call me with an argument. > > I do not even need the priority. > > It won't notify you that your code is about to be removed from the kernel. > > > >> BTW, for all it is worth, any caching controller not using > > >> this is guaranteed to lose data. > > > > > > Wrong layer. You should be using the bus shutdown method; look at eg. > > > the Mylex driver to see how this is done. You should probably call your > > > flush routine from the suspend method as well. > > > > This is dangerous for the OSM. When the i2o OSM shuts an IOP > > down, it is history. It will stop doing any work at all; network, > > disk, console, mouse, whatever. I reserve that for really, really > > shutdown/reset. > > I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "dangerous". When your > shutdown method is called, you're being told that you're about to stop > being able to control your hardware, either because your code is about to > be removed from the kernel (module unload) or because the system is being > shut down. Actually, DEVICE_DETACH is called when the driver is unloaded and it can return an error which should abort the unload. If DEVICE_SHUTDOWN is called, then you have no choice - the kernel is stopping soon and this is your last change to tidy up. > > Before you return success from your shutdown method, you must have > brought your hardware to a quiescent state, ready for immediate loss of > power. It must not generate any more interrupts or access any more data > once you have returned. > > You can veto your shutdown (by returning nonzero), which will fail a > module unload, but _will_not_ fail a kernel shutdown. See above - you can veto detach but not shutdown. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 20 8442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 10 1:23:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3346037B5F7; Wed, 10 May 2000 01:23:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13864; Wed, 10 May 2000 01:21:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 01:21:13 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Adam , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a better idea for package dependencies Message-ID: <20000510012113.A13360@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000509075209.D6350@dragon.nuxi.com> <20000509102912.D28677@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000509102912.D28677@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@freebsd.org on Tue, May 09, 2000 at 10:29:12AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 10:29:12AM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > Hopefully some day, parts of the /usr/src bits will be installed with the > pkg_* utils, but today only things in /usr/ports are used with the pkg_* > utils. ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/packages/ :-) [ For those that can't be bothered to look, that's every document, in every format, in every language we have, one package per doc/format/lang combination. ] N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 10 6:53:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au (mailman.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BF537B7BE for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 06:53:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@zeta.org.au) Received: from bde.zeta.org.au (bde.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.102]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA29544; Wed, 10 May 2000 23:52:36 +1000 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:52:33 +1000 (EST) From: Bruce Evans X-Sender: bde@besplex.bde.org To: Garrett Wollman Cc: shimon@simon-shapiro.org, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: One more question (different now) In-Reply-To: <200005092321.TAA09313@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 9 May 2000, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > > So does: > > > bzero((void *)&trash, sizeof(junk_t)); > > > So, how do I make everyone happy? > > Put a comment on that line indicating that a warning is expected. Someone's ie driver has lines like this. This does not make me happy :-). There are 22 cast-qual warnings for if_ie.c in LINT error output, and I look at LINT error output a lot. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 10 7:16:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227A337B6C7 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 07:16:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11584; Wed, 10 May 2000 10:16:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:16:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200005101416.KAA11584@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Trent Nelson Cc: Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: unknown: In-Reply-To: <3918DE21.3A952065@student.cowan.edu.au> References: <8fa23q$2da3$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <3918DE21.3A952065@student.cowan.edu.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: > Something else I've noticed in the mean time is that PnP devices like > my printer - that are also on buses that are probed for PnP devices - > end up being probed twice at boot time. Delete the `at isa? port blah' cruft from your config file. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 10 8:20:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero.simon-shapiro.org [207.69.194.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5EE5537B7EA for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:20:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 7987 invoked from network); 10 May 2000 16:12:01 -0000 Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (209.86.126.163) by sendero.simon-shapiro.org with SMTP; 10 May 2000 16:12:01 -0000 Content-Length: 2859 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200005100215.TAA21503@mass.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: Simon's Garage From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: EVENTHANDLER_DECLARE Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 10-May-00 Mike Smith wrote: ... >> This is dangerous for the OSM. When the i2o OSM shuts an IOP >> down, it is history. It will stop doing any work at all; network, >> disk, console, mouse, whatever. I reserve that for really, really >> shutdown/reset. > > I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "dangerous". When your > shutdown method is called, you're being told that you're about to stop > being able to control your hardware, either because your code is about to > be removed from the kernel (module unload) or because the system is being > shut down. (perhaps) Dangerous in the sense that the i2o OSM handles multiple diciplines. It is not a disk-only driver. It has a disk component but if I shut down the IOPs more than just disks stop. Thus I need to be sure the OSM is the very last to be called. > Before you return success from your shutdown method, you must have > brought your hardware to a quiescent state, ready for immediate loss of > power. It must not generate any more interrupts or access any more data > once you have returned. That is already being done. Thanx. > You can veto your shutdown (by returning nonzero), which will fail a > module unload, but _will_not_ fail a kernel shutdown. That is fine. >> This needs to happen after all other shutdown work was done, >> but before a physical reset is sent to the hardware. >> >> There is no telling how long the IOP will take to return >> from flush request. > > That's fine. Again, the Mylex driver is doing exactly what you're > talking about; I've been down this path just a few times now. 8) > >> > (Note that the Mylex stuff doesn't correctly handle suspend/resume since >> > we don't have a decent ACPI implementation yet) >> >> I can emulate suspend/resume in the OSM easily. >> Actually, it does that just before shutting down. >> A single line of code. > > I'm assuming that you depend on the platform firmware to bring it out of > any of the deep sleep modes, re-enumerate the PCI bus and restore all of > its volatile state? Nope. I maintain a state machine in the OSM that makes sure there is nothing pending on the IOP. Shutting down the IOP is a mess. Bringing it back up is even bigger mess. It is simpler the way I do it. Besides, different vendors implement i2o in different ways. Some do not even have a facility for sane shutdown. > -- > \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith > \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message Sincerely Yours 404.664.6401 Simon Shapiro Research Fellow, Earthlink Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 10 8:32:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero.simon-shapiro.org [207.69.194.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D6CE37B6F2 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:32:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 8145 invoked from network); 10 May 2000 16:23:43 -0000 Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (209.86.126.163) by sendero.simon-shapiro.org with SMTP; 10 May 2000 16:23:43 -0000 Content-Length: 1176 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: Simon's Garage From: Simon Shapiro To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: One more question (different now) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, obrien@freebsd.org, Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 10-May-00 Doug Rabson wrote: > On Tue, 9 May 2000, Mike Smith wrote: > >> > On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 04:27:10PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >> > > The only answer I've seen for this one is to kick, hard, whoever it was >> > > that added -Wcast-qual to the kernel options. >> > >> > Or we should just delete it from the options. >> >> Ugh. I don't actually like that, because it serves a valid purpose. >> What irritates me mostly is just that there is no way of casting a >> volatile object into a non-volatile type, so you can't implement any sort >> of conditional volatility exclusion. > > You can suppress the warning if you cast to uintptr_t first. Pretty ugly > though. It actually worked! Now I will go and see what this uintptr_t actually is :-) > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 20 8442 9037 > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message Sincerely Yours 404.664.6401 Simon Shapiro Research Fellow, Earthlink Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 10 8:50: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (adsl-63-202-176-114.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.176.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ADF037B7BF; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:49:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23795; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:49:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200005101549.IAA23795@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EVENTHANDLER_DECLARE In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 May 2000 11:23:05 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:49:49 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >> This is dangerous for the OSM. When the i2o OSM shuts an IOP > >> down, it is history. It will stop doing any work at all; network, > >> disk, console, mouse, whatever. I reserve that for really, really > >> shutdown/reset. > > > > I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "dangerous". When your > > shutdown method is called, you're being told that you're about to stop > > being able to control your hardware, either because your code is about to > > be removed from the kernel (module unload) or because the system is being > > shut down. > > (perhaps) Dangerous in the sense that the i2o OSM handles multiple > diciplines. It is not a disk-only driver. It has a disk component > but if I shut down the IOPs more than just disks stop. > Thus I need to be sure the OSM is the very last to be called. If you've constructed your bus architecture correctly (ie. the OSM is the parent of all the discipline drivers) then the bus subsystem will take care of all of this for you. (It would be silly to do it any other way.) > > I'm assuming that you depend on the platform firmware to bring it out of > > any of the deep sleep modes, re-enumerate the PCI bus and restore all of > > its volatile state? > > Nope. I maintain a state machine in the OSM that makes sure > there is nothing pending on the IOP. Shutting down the IOP > is a mess. Bringing it back up is even bigger mess. It is > simpler the way I do it. Besides, different vendors implement > i2o in different ways. Some do not even have a facility for > sane shutdown. Ugh. In other words, you don't support suspend/resume. 8) -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 10 10: 8:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au (mailman.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C4337B820; Wed, 10 May 2000 10:08:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@zeta.org.au) Received: from bde.zeta.org.au (bde.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.102]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA06953; Thu, 11 May 2000 03:08:04 +1000 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 03:08:02 +1000 (EST) From: Bruce Evans X-Sender: bde@besplex.bde.org To: Doug Rabson Cc: Mike Smith , obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: One more question (different now) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 10 May 2000, Doug Rabson wrote: > You can suppress the warning if you cast to uintptr_t first. Pretty ugly > though. For (almost) full uglyness and correctness, you have to cast to "volatile void *" first, then back via "void *": #define unvolstructfoop(sfp) \ ((struct foo *)(void *)(uintptr_t)(volatile void *)(sfp)) For full uglyness, add an ifdef to test if uintptr_t exists (see the C99 standard), and backup methods for when it doesn't exist. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 10 12:39:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0738837B92B; Wed, 10 May 2000 12:39:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12pcJw-000Pj0-0V; Wed, 10 May 2000 20:39:00 +0100 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA70097; Wed, 10 May 2000 20:42:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 20:43:44 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Simon Shapiro Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, obrien@freebsd.org, Mike Smith Subject: Re: One more question (different now) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 10 May 2000, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > On 10-May-00 Doug Rabson wrote: > > On Tue, 9 May 2000, Mike Smith wrote: > > > >> > On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 04:27:10PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > >> > > The only answer I've seen for this one is to kick, hard, whoever it was > >> > > that added -Wcast-qual to the kernel options. > >> > > >> > Or we should just delete it from the options. > >> > >> Ugh. I don't actually like that, because it serves a valid purpose. > >> What irritates me mostly is just that there is no way of casting a > >> volatile object into a non-volatile type, so you can't implement any sort > >> of conditional volatility exclusion. > > > > You can suppress the warning if you cast to uintptr_t first. Pretty ugly > > though. > > It actually worked! Now I will go and see what this uintptr_t > actually is :-) Its an unsigned integer type which is the same size as a pointer (i.e. its safe to cast a pointer to uintptr_t without losing information). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 20 8442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 10 14:53:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gidora.zeta.org.au (gidora.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DB8237B966 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 14:53:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@zeta.org.au) Received: (qmail 7680 invoked from network); 10 May 2000 21:53:31 -0000 Received: from bde.zeta.org.au (203.2.228.102) by gidora.zeta.org.au with SMTP; 10 May 2000 21:53:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 07:53:27 +1000 (EST) From: Bruce Evans X-Sender: bde@besplex.bde.org To: Doug Rabson Cc: Simon Shapiro , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Subject: Re: One more question (different now) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 10 May 2000, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Wed, 10 May 2000, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > It actually worked! Now I will go and see what this uintptr_t > > actually is :-) > > Its an unsigned integer type which is the same size as a pointer (i.e. its > safe to cast a pointer to uintptr_t without losing information). Actually, it is only guaranteed that casting a void * to uintptr_t doesn't lose information, and the size of uintptr_t may be anything that works. From the C99 draft (n869.txt): 7.18.1.4 Integer types capable of holding object pointers [#1] The following type designates a signed integer type with the property that any valid pointer to void can be converted to this type, then converted back to pointer to void, and the result will compare equal to the original pointer: intptr_t The following type designates an unsigned integer type with the property that any valid pointer to void can be converted to this type, then converted back to pointer to void, and the result will compare equal to the original pointer: uintptr_t These types are optional. | [C99 has standard macros which can be used in ifdefs to determine whether optional types exist. Optional types should exist if they can exist. FreeBSD doesn't support C99, but uintptr_t exists for all supported arches. The C00 macros to support it are not implemented.] Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 10 16:27: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D89FD37BA41; Wed, 10 May 2000 16:26:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 11 May 2000 00:26:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:26:55 +0100 From: David Malone To: Bruce Evans Cc: Doug Rabson , Simon Shapiro , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Subject: Re: One more question (different now) Message-ID: <20000511002655.A9128@walton.maths.tcd.ie> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from bde@zeta.org.au on Thu, May 11, 2000 at 07:53:27AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 07:53:27AM +1000, Bruce Evans wrote: > From the C99 draft (n869.txt): Is the C99 draft generally available, or where can you cough up cash to get a copy? David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 10 18:55:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6FD37BACE for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 18:55:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA54500 for current@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 May 2000 05:55:05 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 05:55:01 +0400 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: current@freebsd.org Subject: It seems that SCSI code still use block devices Message-ID: <20000511055501.A52142@nagual.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Organization: Biomechanoid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just got from recent kernel: Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0s1a Device char-major=13 minor=131072 opened in block mode, convert to char mode with /dev/MAKEDEV before 2000-07-01 The suggestion is strange indeed, /dev/da0s1a ALREADY IS character device. It means that kernel mounting code itself still use block devices. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://nagual.pp.ru/~ache/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 10 18:59:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from christel.heitec.net (christel.heitec.net [212.204.92.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C0137B559 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 18:59:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bernd.luevelsmeyer@heitec.net) Received: from heitec.net (paladin.heitec.net [212.204.92.251]) by christel.heitec.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005EF35481A; Thu, 11 May 2000 04:01:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <391A13E1.C8E6E09@heitec.net> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 03:58:57 +0200 From: Bernd Luevelsmeyer Organization: Heitec AG X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Malone Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: One more question (different now) References: <20000511002655.A9128@walton.maths.tcd.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Malone wrote: > > On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 07:53:27AM +1000, Bruce Evans wrote: > > > From the C99 draft (n869.txt): > > Is the C99 draft generally available, or where can you cough up > cash to get a copy? The Standard itself is a book and can be bought as such in bookstores. Draft versions are still available at the committee's web site, http://anubis.dkuug.dk/JTC1/SC22/WG14/www/docs/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 10 20:38: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from wint.itfs.nsk.su (wint.itfs.nsk.su [212.20.32.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F57E37B7E4 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 20:37:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nnd@wint.itfs.nsk.su) Received: (from nnd@localhost) by wint.itfs.nsk.su (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01413; Thu, 11 May 2000 10:37:51 +0700 (NOVST) (envelope-from nnd) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:37:51 +0700 (NOVST) Message-Id: <200005110337.KAA01413@wint.itfs.nsk.su> From: Nickolay Dudorov To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: It seems that SCSI code still use block devices In-Reply-To: <20000511055501.A52142@nagual.pp.ru> User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/5.0-CURRENT (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <20000511055501.A52142@nagual.pp.ru> Andrey A. Chernov wrote: > Just got from recent kernel: > > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0s1a > Device char-major=13 minor=131072 opened in block mode, convert to char mode with /dev/MAKEDEV before 2000-07-01 > > The suggestion is strange indeed, /dev/da0s1a ALREADY IS character device. > It means that kernel mounting code itself still use block devices. Moreover I've got: Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a ^^ Device char-major=116 minor=131072 opened in block mode, convert to char mode with /dev/MAKEDEV before 2000-07-01 So the problem is not in the SCSI code, but in the "root mounting" code. N.Dudorov To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 10 23:35:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from axl.ops.uunet.co.za (axl.ops.uunet.co.za [196.31.2.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6821037B7E4 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 23:35:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.ops.uunet.co.za) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.ops.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12pmYU-000AY7-00; Thu, 11 May 2000 08:34:42 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Bernd Luevelsmeyer Cc: David Malone , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: One more question (different now) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 May 2000 03:58:57 +0200." <391A13E1.C8E6E09@heitec.net> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 08:34:42 +0200 Message-ID: <40554.958026882@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 11 May 2000 03:58:57 +0200, Bernd Luevelsmeyer wrote: > The Standard itself is a book and can be bought as such in bookstores. Can you give us details? Do I just hunt Amazon.com for "C99", or does it have a proper title? I need this one. Thanks, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 11 0:16:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from ns.cvzoom.net (ns.cvzoom.net [208.226.154.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 725B737B7D1 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 00:16:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmmiller@cvzoom.net) Received: (qmail 7754 invoked from network); 11 May 2000 07:16:11 -0000 Received: from lc210.cvzoom.net (HELO cvzoom.net) (208.226.154.210) by ns.cvzoom.net with SMTP; 11 May 2000 07:16:11 -0000 Message-ID: <391A5E3A.B4C1AE35@cvzoom.net> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 03:16:10 -0400 From: Donn Miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@freebsd.org Subject: page fault with waveplay... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anyone else get a page fault with waveplay? Basically, I have the ESS 1868 ISA, and when I tried to do waveplay on a wav file with 8-bit samples, I got a page fault with a reboot. I then used gogo to convert the same wav file to mp3 format, and then used mpg123 with no problems. I generally have no problems with pcm otherwise (xmms, RealPlayer 7, mpg123, etc.). Also, timidity still doesn't work. - Donn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 11 7:55:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from christel.heitec.net (christel.heitec.net [212.204.92.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C8737B9A4 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 07:55:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bernd.luevelsmeyer@heitec.net) Received: from heitec.net (paladin.heitec.net [212.204.92.251]) by christel.heitec.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C757354819; Thu, 11 May 2000 16:58:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <391AC9CD.156ED744@heitec.net> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 16:55:09 +0200 From: Bernd Luevelsmeyer Organization: Heitec AG X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: David Malone , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: One more question (different now) References: <40554.958026882@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > On Thu, 11 May 2000 03:58:57 +0200, Bernd Luevelsmeyer wrote: > > > The Standard itself is a book and can be bought as such in bookstores. > > Can you give us details? Do I just hunt Amazon.com for "C99", or does > it have a proper title? I need this one. What you want is "ISO/IEC 9899:1999 Programming languages -- C" Where and how exactly you can get the book depends on national circumstances. The C Standard is an ISO Standard, hence distribution is handled by the national standards organization which is associated to ISO. Best might be to find your member body in http://www.iso.ch/addresse/membodies.html and contact them how to get ISO Standards. They will have a 'how to purchase' on their web page, I assume. I also recommend the FAQ: http://www.iso.ch/infoe/faq.htm ; you can search for Standards on http://www.iso.ch/cate/cat.html In Germany, ISO Standards are handled by 'DIN' (www.din.de), which has passed the printing and selling matters to the publishing house 'Beuth Verlag'. Hence, in Germany you buy the Standard as a book from Beuth Verlag. It's quite expensive by the way, when we got it we had to pay about 700 German Mark. Have fun, Bernd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 11 11:49:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E047E37BC24 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 11:49:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA59396; Thu, 11 May 2000 12:49:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA01908; Thu, 11 May 2000 12:48:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200005111848.MAA01908@harmony.village.org> To: Bernd Luevelsmeyer Subject: Re: One more question (different now) Cc: Sheldon Hearn , David Malone , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 May 2000 16:55:09 +0200." <391AC9CD.156ED744@heitec.net> References: <391AC9CD.156ED744@heitec.net> <40554.958026882@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 12:48:40 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <391AC9CD.156ED744@heitec.net> Bernd Luevelsmeyer writes: : What you want is "ISO/IEC 9899:1999 Programming languages -- C" In the US, how do I get the same thing for C++? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 11 12: 0:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 542) id 33ECC37B88F; Thu, 11 May 2000 12:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 12:00:34 -0700 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: Igor Timkin Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, Jonathan Lemon , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet tcp.h tcp_input.c tcp_output.c tcp_timer.c tcp_var.h Message-ID: <20000511120033.A61202@freebsd.org> References: <20000507163844.A2126@yoko.hsc.fr> <200005091056.OAA56920@logger.gamma.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <200005091056.OAA56920@logger.gamma.ru>; from ivt@logger.gamma.ru on Tue, May 09, 2000 at 02:56:58PM +0400 Organization: Biomechanoid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 02:56:58PM +0400, Igor Timkin wrote: > The same problem. Local is openssh (current), remote is ssh-1.2.22 (2.2.6), > slip ~24kbps connection. Remote log: > May 9 09:59:17 crocus sshd[21285]: fatal: Local: Corrupted check bytes on input. This thing is even worse - I notice the same problem occurse in CURRENT->CURRENT ssh connection, both with NewReno! It means that NewReno implementation have some internal errors when two identical -currents can't speak each other properly sometimes (when modem have long 30secs retrain). -- Andrey A. Chernov http://nagual.pp.ru/~ache/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 11 14: 8:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DDC37B7DB for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:08:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@c07-165.006.popsite.net [64.24.39.165]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16732; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:08:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA07661; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:08:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:08:12 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: One more question (different now) Message-ID: <20000511140812.B7362@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <391AC9CD.156ED744@heitec.net> <40554.958026882@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> <391AC9CD.156ED744@heitec.net> <200005111848.MAA01908@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200005111848.MAA01908@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Thu, May 11, 2000 at 12:48:40PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 12:48:40PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > In the US, how do I get the same thing for C++? http://web.ansi.org/public/std_info.html Search for "C++": ISO/IEC 14882:1998 Programming languages - C++ $ 305 ISO/IEC 14882-1998 Information Technology - Programming Languages - C++ $18 -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 11 14:20: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C67637BBB3; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:19:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA60031; Thu, 11 May 2000 15:19:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA02917; Thu, 11 May 2000 15:19:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200005112119.PAA02917@harmony.village.org> To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: One more question (different now) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 May 2000 14:08:12 PDT." <20000511140812.B7362@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20000511140812.B7362@dragon.nuxi.com> <391AC9CD.156ED744@heitec.net> <40554.958026882@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> <391AC9CD.156ED744@heitec.net> <200005111848.MAA01908@harmony.village.org> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:19:32 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000511140812.B7362@dragon.nuxi.com> "David O'Brien" writes: : On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 12:48:40PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: : > In the US, how do I get the same thing for C++? : : http://web.ansi.org/public/std_info.html : : Search for "C++": : : ISO/IEC 14882:1998 Programming languages - C++ $ 305 : ISO/IEC 14882-1998 Information Technology - Programming Languages - C++ $18 That's cool. I can get the electronic version for only $18. What format is it in? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 11 14:21: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from christel.heitec.net (christel.heitec.net [212.204.92.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9C637BBD4 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:20:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bernd.luevelsmeyer@heitec.net) Received: from heitec.net (paladin.heitec.net [212.204.92.251]) by christel.heitec.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331D635481A; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:23:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <391B2422.5D74AD6C@heitec.net> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 23:20:34 +0200 From: Bernd Luevelsmeyer Organization: Heitec AG X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: One more question (different now) References: <391AC9CD.156ED744@heitec.net> <40554.958026882@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> <200005111848.MAA01908@harmony.village.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Warner Losh wrote: > > In message <391AC9CD.156ED744@heitec.net> Bernd Luevelsmeyer writes: > : What you want is "ISO/IEC 9899:1999 Programming languages -- C" > > In the US, how do I get the same thing for C++? > > Warner I don't talk C++, but I think you'll want "ISO/IEC 14882:1998 Programming languages -- C++", and in the USA you'll get it from the USA standard body, which (I think) is ANSI. I don't know how ANSI handles selling Standard copies, but http://www.ansi.org/ should tell it somewhere. The C++ FAQ talks about getting the Standard in http://marshall-cline.home.att.net/cpp-faq-lite/big-picture.html#[6.12] Greetings, Bernd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu May 11 14:26:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601E937BBB3; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:26:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA60066; Thu, 11 May 2000 15:26:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA03008; Thu, 11 May 2000 15:25:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200005112125.PAA03008@harmony.village.org> Subject: Re: One more question (different now) Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 May 2000 15:19:32 MDT." <200005112119.PAA02917@harmony.village.org> References: <200005112119.PAA02917@harmony.village.org> <20000511140812.B7362@dragon.nuxi.com> <391AC9CD.156ED744@heitec.net> <40554.958026882@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> <391AC9CD.156ED744@heitec.net> <200005111848.MAA01908@harmony.village.org> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:25:50 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200005112119.PAA02917@harmony.village.org> Warner Losh writes: : That's cool. I can get the electronic version for only $18. What : format is it in? Never mind. Found that it is in PDF. Now where did I put that credit card... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 12 0:46:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from kbtfw.kubota.co.jp (kbtfw.kubota.co.jp [133.253.102.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1059137BCFB for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 00:46:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from haro@tk.kubota.co.jp) Received: by kbtfw.kubota.co.jp; id QAA02921; Fri, 12 May 2000 16:46:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from unknown(133.253.122.1) by kbtfw.kubota.co.jp via smap (V4.2) id xma002327; Fri, 12 May 00 16:45:23 +0900 Received: from jkpc15.ttr.kubota.co.jp ([192.168.7.250]) by kbtmx.eto.kubota.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id QAA05990 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 16:45:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jkpc15.ttr.kubota.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-02/21/99) with ESMTP id QAA17356 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 16:41:09 +0900 (JST) To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Small fix for compile error with internat crypto code X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000512164109R.haro@tk.kubota.co.jp> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:41:09 +0900 From: haro@tk.kubota.co.jp (Munehiro Matsuda) X-Dispatcher: imput version 990905(IM130) Lines: 49 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello all, When run 'make -j4 buildworld' with internat crypto code installed, I get following error: ===> librsausa cp /usr/src/secure/lib/librsausa/../libcrypto/opensslconf-i386.h openssl/opensslconf.h mkdir: openssl: File exists *** Error code 1 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error Following simple patch seems to cure the problem. Could anybody verify and commit it? ----------8<---------8<---------Cut here---------8<---------8<--------- --- src/secure/lib/libcrypto/Makefile.inc.org Thu Apr 20 19:42:52 2000 +++ src/secure/lib/libcrypto/Makefile.inc Fri May 12 12:58:59 2000 @@ -30,10 +30,10 @@ echo "#endif" ) > ${.TARGET} openssl/opensslconf.h: ../libcrypto/opensslconf-${MACHINE_ARCH}.h - @test -d openssl || mkdir -p openssl + -@mkdir -p openssl cp ${.OODATE} ${.TARGET} openssl/headers-copied: - @test -d openssl || mkdir -p openssl + -@mkdir -p openssl ${INSTALL} ${COPY} -m 444 ${CRYPTO_HDRS} ${EXTRA_HDRS} openssl @touch ${.TARGET} ----------8<---------8<---------Cut here---------8<---------8<--------- Thank you, Haro =------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _ _ Munehiro (haro) Matsuda -|- /_\ |_|_| Office of Business Planning & Development, Kubota Corp. /|\ |_| |_|_| 1-3 Nihonbashi-Muromachi 3-Chome Chuo-ku Tokyo 103, Japan Tel: +81-3-3245-3318 Fax: +81-3-3245-3315 Email: haro@tk.kubota.co.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 12 1: 9:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2E837B781 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 01:09:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@c02-138.006.popsite.net [216.126.135.138]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19706; Fri, 12 May 2000 01:09:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id BAA15490; Fri, 12 May 2000 01:09:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 01:09:47 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Munehiro Matsuda Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Small fix for compile error with internat crypto code Message-ID: <20000512010946.A15400@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <20000512164109R.haro@tk.kubota.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000512164109R.haro@tk.kubota.co.jp>; from haro@tk.kubota.co.jp on Fri, May 12, 2000 at 04:41:09PM +0900 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 12, 2000 at 04:41:09PM +0900, Munehiro Matsuda wrote: > When run 'make -j4 buildworld' with internat crypto code installed, > I get following error: > mkdir: openssl: File exists > *** Error code 1 > - @test -d openssl || mkdir -p openssl > + -@mkdir -p openssl The "-" is not needed as `mkdir -p' will not return an error condition. > - @test -d openssl || mkdir -p openssl > + -@mkdir -p openssl Same here. Bruce Evans just told me the other day that make(1) can have issues with shell "&&" and "||". Guess you hit one of the cases it can fail with -j. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 12 3: 8:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mppsystems.com (mppsystems.com [208.210.148.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA2837B600 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 03:08:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mppsystems.com) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mppsystems.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA86314; Fri, 12 May 2000 05:08:10 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 05:08:10 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard To: Garrett Wollman Cc: Trent Nelson , Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: unknown: Message-ID: <20000512050810.A86166@mppsystems.com> References: <8fa23q$2da3$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <3918DE21.3A952065@student.cowan.edu.au> <200005101416.KAA11584@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200005101416.KAA11584@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>; from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu on Wed, May 10, 2000 at 10:16:17AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 10:16:17AM -0400, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > > Something else I've noticed in the mean time is that PnP devices like > > my printer - that are also on buses that are probed for PnP devices - > > end up being probed twice at boot time. > > Delete the `at isa? port blah' cruft from your config file. For what devices? The only devices I have those on match what is in GENERIC. I did notice that I started getting all of the "unknown: " messages after the PNPBIOS option became default. On the machine I'm typing on this on, I used to see those messages if I defined PNPBIOS in my config file. PNPBIOS became default some time back, with no way (that I saw) to turn it off. Other than the annoying messages at boot, it never caused a problem that I saw, so I didn't really worry about it. If we aren't supposed to have "at isa? port ..." stuff in our config files, then someone should update GENERIC to reflect that. -Mike -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.org or mpp@mppsystems.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 12 3:44:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD3B37BA3A for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 03:44:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA43315; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:43:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <200005121043.MAA43315@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: unknown: In-Reply-To: <20000512050810.A86166@mppsystems.com> from Mike Pritchard at "May 12, 2000 05:08:10 am" To: mpp@mppsystems.com (Mike Pritchard) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:43:17 +0200 (CEST) Cc: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman), tpnelson@echidna.stu.cowan.edu.au (Trent Nelson), naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber), freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It seems Mike Pritchard wrote: > I did notice that I started getting all of the "unknown: " > messages after the PNPBIOS option became default. On the > machine I'm typing on this on, I used to see those messages > if I defined PNPBIOS in my config file. PNPBIOS became default > some time back, with no way (that I saw) to turn it off. You can turn it off in the loader, I have to on my laptop to get it to work proberly... -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 12 6:34:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from astralblue.com (adsl-209-76-108-39.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC63437BD53; Fri, 12 May 2000 06:34:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ab@astralblue.com) Received: from localhost (ab@localhost) by astralblue.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA88391; Fri, 12 May 2000 06:34:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ab@astralblue.com) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 06:34:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene M. Kim" To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Munehiro Matsuda , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Small fix for compile error with internat crypto code In-Reply-To: <20000512010946.A15400@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It looks like a race condition. -@mkdir -p openssl is a good workaround I guess, although it could be fine if we had a flag to mkdir(1) that makes it just succeed when there's already a directory of the same name. Just my 2 wons (1 KRW ~= .0084 USD as of this writing :-p), Eugene On Fri, 12 May 2000, David O'Brien wrote: | On Fri, May 12, 2000 at 04:41:09PM +0900, Munehiro Matsuda wrote: | > When run 'make -j4 buildworld' with internat crypto code installed, | > I get following error: | > mkdir: openssl: File exists | > *** Error code 1 | > - @test -d openssl || mkdir -p openssl | > + -@mkdir -p openssl | | The "-" is not needed as `mkdir -p' will not return an error condition. | | > - @test -d openssl || mkdir -p openssl | > + -@mkdir -p openssl | | Same here. Bruce Evans just told me the other day that make(1) can have | issues with shell "&&" and "||". Guess you hit one of the cases it can | fail with -j. | | -- Eugene M. Kim "Is your music unpopular? Make it popular; make music which people like, or make people who like your music." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 12 7:30:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de (T1-Hansenet.BIK-GmbH.de [192.76.134.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 025B637BE6E for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 07:30:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cracauer@gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de (8.9.3/8.7.3) id QAA92711; Fri, 12 May 2000 16:26:19 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:26:19 +0200 From: Martin Cracauer To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Bernd Luevelsmeyer , David Malone , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: One more question (different now) Message-ID: <20000512162619.A92434@cons.org> References: <391A13E1.C8E6E09@heitec.net> <40554.958026882@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <40554.958026882@axl.ops.uunet.co.za>; from sheldonh@uunet.co.za on Thu, May 11, 2000 at 08:34:42AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <40554.958026882@axl.ops.uunet.co.za>, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 May 2000 03:58:57 +0200, Bernd Luevelsmeyer wrote: > > > The Standard itself is a book and can be bought as such in bookstores. > > Can you give us details? Do I just hunt Amazon.com for "C99", or does > it have a proper title? I need this one. "Not yet" is what comp.std.c says, but any time soon. It is excepted to be available as a cheap PDF like the C++ standard. [info could be out of date, didn't check news for weeks] Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ BSD User Group Hamburg, Germany http://www.bsdhh.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 12 8:12:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from ns.cvzoom.net (ns.cvzoom.net [208.226.154.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 562BA37B5A2 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:12:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmmiller@cvzoom.net) Received: (qmail 7161 invoked from network); 12 May 2000 15:12:45 -0000 Received: from lc210.cvzoom.net (HELO cvzoom.net) (208.226.154.210) by ns.cvzoom.net with SMTP; 12 May 2000 15:12:45 -0000 Message-ID: <391C1F6C.A26301B9@cvzoom.net> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:12:44 -0400 From: Donn Miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unknown: References: <200005121043.MAA43315@freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Soren Schmidt wrote: > > It seems Mike Pritchard wrote: > > I did notice that I started getting all of the "unknown: " > > messages after the PNPBIOS option became default. On the > > machine I'm typing on this on, I used to see those messages > > if I defined PNPBIOS in my config file. PNPBIOS became default > > some time back, with no way (that I saw) to turn it off. > > You can turn it off in the loader, I have to on my laptop to get it > to work proberly... Would that be in /boot/loader.conf? I've tried PNPBIOS="NO" in /boot/loader.conf, and I'm still getting the messages. [snip] plip0: on ppbus0 unknown: can't assign resources unknown: can't assign resources unknown: can't assign resources unknown: can't assign resources - Donn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 12 8:27:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B064F37BA8F for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:27:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24246; Fri, 12 May 2000 11:26:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:26:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200005121526.LAA24246@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Mike Pritchard Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: unknown: In-Reply-To: <20000512050810.A86166@mppsystems.com> References: <8fa23q$2da3$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <3918DE21.3A952065@student.cowan.edu.au> <200005101416.KAA11584@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <20000512050810.A86166@mppsystems.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: >> [I wrote:] >> Delete the `at isa? port blah' cruft from your config file. > For what devices? The only devices I have those on match what > is in GENERIC. For those devices which are double-probed. (The fact that you need to do this is actually a bug.) > If we aren't supposed to have "at isa? port ..." stuff in our > config files, then someone should update GENERIC to reflect > that. We need that stuff in order to cope with older hardware that doesn't implement PNPBIOS (or PNPanything, for that matter). -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 12 8:36:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from bilby.prth.tensor.pgs.com (bilby.prth.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.232.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4607637BEB1 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:36:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shocking@prth.pgs.com) Received: from bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com (bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.224.1]) by bilby.prth.tensor.pgs.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA11775 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:33:51 +0800 (WST) Received: from bleep.craftncomp.com (dialin20 [157.147.225.220]) by bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28679 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:36:08 +0800 (WST) Received: from bloop.craftncomp.com (bloop.prth.tensor.pgs.com [202.12.111.1]) by bleep.craftncomp.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23707 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:35:17 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from shocking@prth.pgs.com) Received: from bloop.craftncomp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bloop.craftncomp.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA47762 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:35:09 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from shocking@bloop.craftncomp.com) Message-Id: <200005121535.XAA47762@bloop.craftncomp.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Can we please have a current that compiles? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:35:09 +0800 From: Stephen Hocking Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG For the past few days, current has not compiled, owing to problems (in no particular order) with more, vinum and various INET options in the GENERIC kernel. Can people please check things before they commit them? I like a working compile at least *once* a week. Stephen -- The views expressed above are not those of PGS Tensor. "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." Robert Wilensky, University of California To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 12 9: 0:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E5D37B54E for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:00:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@c01-088.006.popsite.net [216.126.134.88]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21304; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:00:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA18455; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:00:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:00:28 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: "Eugene M. Kim" Cc: Munehiro Matsuda , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Small fix for compile error with internat crypto code Message-ID: <20000512090028.B18420@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000512010946.A15400@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from ab@astralblue.com on Fri, May 12, 2000 at 06:34:08AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 12, 2000 at 06:34:08AM -0700, Eugene M. Kim wrote: > I guess, although it could be fine if we had a flag to mkdir(1) that > makes it just succeed when there's already a directory of the same name. Yes, that is "-p". To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 12 10:22:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from astralblue.com (adsl-209-76-108-39.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6390D37BE6D; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:22:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ab@astralblue.com) Received: from localhost (ab@localhost) by astralblue.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA89686; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:22:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ab@astralblue.com) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:22:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene M. Kim" To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Munehiro Matsuda , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Small fix for compile error with internat crypto code In-Reply-To: <20000512090028.B18420@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 12 May 2000, David O'Brien wrote: | On Fri, May 12, 2000 at 06:34:08AM -0700, Eugene M. Kim wrote: | > I guess, although it could be fine if we had a flag to mkdir(1) that | > makes it just succeed when there's already a directory of the same name. | | Yes, that is "-p". | Oh yes you're right. But then things still remain strange... Isn't this: test -d openssl || mkdir -p openssl supposed to never give the `mkdir: openssl: File exists' error? So I guess the real cause of that bug is not a race condition between two mkdir -p commands. Haven't seen the error recently so can't exactly tell, but it looks more like there is already an `openssl' that isn't a directory. Eugene -- Eugene M. Kim "Is your music unpopular? Make it popular; make music which people like, or make people who like your music." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 12 15:52:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (peter1.yahoo.com [208.48.107.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E9937BC10 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:52:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E47471CE1 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:52:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: current@freebsd.org Subject: HEADS UP: loader and libstand caution required. Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:52:43 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20000512225243.E47471CE1@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Please be sure that you build and install libstand before building a loader! (or use buildworld, that should work) FICL is now active on the Alpha, and actually seems to work. The Alpha problems have been solved - it was an alignment issue of the end of code. Adding/removing code would make it fault. I am not sure if the x86 loader will be affected by a mismatch, but I would not like to bet on it. Be safe and make sure it is not linked against a stale libstand. :-) Cheers, -Peter ------- Forwarded Message Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:45:16 -0700 From: Peter Wemm To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: cvs commit: src/sys/boot/alpha/common Makefile.common peter 2000/05/12 15:45:16 PDT Modified files: sys/boot/alpha/common Makefile.common Log: Reactivate the FICL hooks to make it be compiled in, but also initialize FICL. bootforth is now live on the Alpha! **BEWARE** - you *MUST* build and install a current libstand or you will most likely get zfree() panics at loader startup. We should now be able to set up the loader.conf stuff on the Alpha too. Revision Changes Path 1.7 +9 -9 src/sys/boot/alpha/common/Makefile.common ------- End of Forwarded Message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 12 15:59:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A9D37B80F for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:59:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18281; Fri, 12 May 2000 16:59:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08815; Fri, 12 May 2000 16:59:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:59:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200005122259.QAA08815@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Peter Wemm Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: loader and libstand caution required. In-Reply-To: <20000512225243.E47471CE1@overcee.netplex.com.au> References: <20000512225243.E47471CE1@overcee.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Please be sure that you build and install libstand before building > a loader! (or use buildworld, that should work) Good job tracking this one down Peter!!!! Nate > > FICL is now active on the Alpha, and actually seems to work. The Alpha > problems have been solved - it was an alignment issue of the end of code. > Adding/removing code would make it fault. > > I am not sure if the x86 loader will be affected by a mismatch, but I would > not like to bet on it. Be safe and make sure it is not linked against > a stale libstand. :-) > > Cheers, > -Peter > > ------- Forwarded Message > > Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:45:16 -0700 > From: Peter Wemm > To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org > Subject: cvs commit: src/sys/boot/alpha/common Makefile.common > > peter 2000/05/12 15:45:16 PDT > > Modified files: > sys/boot/alpha/common Makefile.common > Log: > Reactivate the FICL hooks to make it be compiled in, but also initialize > FICL. bootforth is now live on the Alpha! > > **BEWARE** - you *MUST* build and install a current libstand or you will > most likely get zfree() panics at loader startup. > > We should now be able to set up the loader.conf stuff on the Alpha too. > > Revision Changes Path > 1.7 +9 -9 src/sys/boot/alpha/common/Makefile.common > > ------- End of Forwarded Message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 12 16:27:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.alpha1.net (mail.alpha1.net [216.88.112.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A556537B764 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 16:27:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marius@alpha1.net) Received: from marius.org (marius.org [216.88.115.170]) by mail.alpha1.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14926 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 18:27:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 18:27:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Marius Strom X-Sender: marius@marius.org To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: breakage in mtree? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG cvsup as of ~20 minutes ago, during a buildworld: ===> usr.sbin/mtree cc -O -pipe -DMD5 -DSHA1 -DRMD160 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.sbin/mtree/compare.c cc -O -pipe -DMD5 -DSHA1 -DRMD160 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.sbin/mtree/create.c cc -O -pipe -DMD5 -DSHA1 -DRMD160 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.sbin/mtree/misc.c cc -O -pipe -DMD5 -DSHA1 -DRMD160 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.sbin/mtree/mtree.c cc -O -pipe -DMD5 -DSHA1 -DRMD160 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.sbin/mtree/spec.c cc -O -pipe -DMD5 -DSHA1 -DRMD160 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.sbin/mtree/verify.c cc -O -pipe -DMD5 -DSHA1 -DRMD160 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -o mtree compare.o crc.o create.o misc.o mtree.o spec.o verify.o setflags.o -lmd create.o: In function `cwalk': create.o(.text+0xcf): undefined reference to `check_excludes' mtree.o: In function `main': mtree.o(.text+0x1c): undefined reference to `init_excludes' mtree.o(.text+0x1e6): undefined reference to `read_excludes_file' verify.o: In function `vwalk': verify.o(.text+0xa7): undefined reference to `check_excludes' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/usr.sbin/mtree. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/usr.sbin. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. making clean and remaking in usr.sbin/mtree is of no help, mailing list archives have no mention of this. This is on an existing 4.0-20000214 system, kernel is 5.0-C as of 2 days ago. -- Marius Strom Professional Geek/Unix System Administrator Alpha1 Internet http://www.marius.org/marius.pgp 0x42C74CBA Quidquid Latine Dictum Sit, Profundum Viditur. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 12 19: 2:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E17A37BAA7 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:02:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id LAA31369; Sat, 13 May 2000 11:31:43 +0930 (CST) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 11:31:43 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Stephen Hocking Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can we please have a current that compiles? Message-ID: <20000513113143.E31094@freebie.lemis.com> References: <200005121535.XAA47762@bloop.craftncomp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <200005121535.XAA47762@bloop.craftncomp.com> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Friday, 12 May 2000 at 23:35:09 +0800, Stephen Hocking wrote: > For the past few days, current has not compiled, owing to problems (in no > particular order) with more, vinum and various INET options in the GENERIC > kernel. This is the first I've heard of a problem in Vinum. > Can people please check things before they commit them? I like a > working compile at least *once* a week. I'm wondering if you haven't had some other problem. I haven't heard anybody else with problems. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 12 19:21:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC9E37B995 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:21:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA67829 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:21:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 19:21:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: current@freebsd.org Subject: OpenSSH (last chance!) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've had several positive reports about the new OpenSSH version, so I'm intending to commit the changes tomorrow night. This is your last chance to tell me it's broken! http://www.freebsd.org/~kris/ssh2.tgz Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 12 21:31:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from bilby.prth.tensor.pgs.com (bilby.prth.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.232.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8ED337BB1D for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:31:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shocking@prth.pgs.com) Received: from bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com (bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.224.1]) by bilby.prth.tensor.pgs.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12348; Sat, 13 May 2000 12:28:29 +0800 (WST) Received: from bleep.craftncomp.com (dialin20 [157.147.225.220]) by bandicoot.prth.tensor.pgs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17751; Sat, 13 May 2000 12:30:45 +0800 (WST) Received: from bloop.craftncomp.com (bloop.prth.tensor.pgs.com [202.12.111.1]) by bleep.craftncomp.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26842; Sat, 13 May 2000 12:29:53 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from shocking@prth.pgs.com) Received: from bloop.craftncomp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bloop.craftncomp.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA57570; Sat, 13 May 2000 12:29:36 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from shocking@bloop.craftncomp.com) Message-Id: <200005130429.MAA57570@bloop.craftncomp.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Greg Lehey Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can we please have a current that compiles? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 13 May 2000 11:31:43 +0930." <20000513113143.E31094@freebie.lemis.com> Reply-To: shocking@prth.pgs.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 12:29:36 +0800 From: Stephen Hocking Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > This is the first I've heard of a problem in Vinum. > > > Can people please check things before they commit them? I like a > > working compile at least *once* a week. > > I'm wondering if you haven't had some other problem. I haven't heard > anybody else with problems. > I have a number of problems 8^), but none of them related to FreeBSD. Anyway, I'd just seen a series of bad commits whose corrections weren't caught by the frequency of my cvs updates I guees. Vinum is compiling now, and kernels with IPSEC and INETV6 now link, it's just that last night's problems with more got me a little ticked off. ===> usr.bin/more sed -e 's/\\/\\\\/g' -e 's/\"/\\\"/g' -e 's/$/\\n\\/' < /usr/src/usr.bin/more/default.morerc >> defrc.h rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/src/usr.bin/more -I/usr/obj/usr/src/usr.bin/more -DTERMIOS -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include /usr/src/usr.bin/more/ch.c /usr/src/usr.bin/more/command.c /usr/src/usr.bin/more/help.c /usr/src/usr.bin/more/input.c /usr/src/usr.bin/more/line.c /usr/src/usr.bin/more/linenum.c /usr/src/usr.bin/more/macro.c main.c /usr/src/usr.bin/more/ncommand.c /usr/src/usr.bin/more/option.c /usr/src/usr.bin/more/os.c /usr/src/usr.bin/more/output.c /usr/src/usr.bin/more/position.c /usr/src/usr.bin/more/prim.c /usr/src/usr.bin/more/screen.c /usr/src/usr.bin/more/signal.c /usr/src/usr.bin/more/tags.c /usr/src/usr.bin/more/ttyin.c cc: main.c: No such file or directory mkdep: compile failed *** Error code 1 Stephen -- The views expressed above are not those of PGS Tensor. "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." Robert Wilensky, University of California To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 12 22:18: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from jason.argos.org (a1-3b058.neo.rr.com [24.93.181.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA64F37BC59 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 22:18:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@argos.org) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by jason.argos.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA23698; Sat, 13 May 2000 01:17:32 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 01:17:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Nowlin To: Stephen Hocking Cc: Greg Lehey , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can we please have a current that compiles? In-Reply-To: <200005130429.MAA57570@bloop.craftncomp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'd just seen a series of bad commits whose corrections weren't caught by the > frequency of my cvs updates I guees. Vinum is compiling now, and kernels with > IPSEC and INETV6 now link, it's just that last night's problems with more got > me a little ticked off. > > cc: main.c: No such file or directory > mkdep: compile failed > *** Error code 1 Oh, come on -- this is the New FreeBSD - "Designed for the die-hard hacker, we remove random parts of the system so you can enjoy the challenge of figuring out what the missing functions did!" sorry, couldn't help myself.... mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 12 23:57:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (adsl-63-202-176-114.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.176.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B901937BC14 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:57:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01318; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:56:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200005130656.XAA01318@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Soren Schmidt Cc: mpp@mppsystems.com (Mike Pritchard), wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman), tpnelson@echidna.stu.cowan.edu.au (Trent Nelson), naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber), freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: unknown: In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 May 2000 12:43:17 +0200." <200005121043.MAA43315@freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:56:49 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It seems Mike Pritchard wrote: > > I did notice that I started getting all of the "unknown: " > > messages after the PNPBIOS option became default. On the > > machine I'm typing on this on, I used to see those messages > > if I defined PNPBIOS in my config file. PNPBIOS became default = > > some time back, with no way (that I saw) to turn it off. > = > You can turn it off in the loader, I have to on my laptop to get it = > to work proberly... I can't seem to find your bug report in my inbox; could you resend, = please? -- = \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 0: 6:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (adsl-63-202-176-114.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.176.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C60337B53D for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:06:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01390; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:06:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200005130706.AAA01390@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Donn Miller Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unknown: In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 May 2000 11:12:44 EDT." <391C1F6C.A26301B9@cvzoom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 00:06:50 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > It seems Mike Pritchard wrote: > > > I did notice that I started getting all of the "unknown: " > > > messages after the PNPBIOS option became default. On the > > > machine I'm typing on this on, I used to see those messages > > > if I defined PNPBIOS in my config file. PNPBIOS became default > > > some time back, with no way (that I saw) to turn it off. > > > > You can turn it off in the loader, I have to on my laptop to get it > > to work proberly... > > Would that be in /boot/loader.conf? I've tried > > PNPBIOS="NO" > > in /boot/loader.conf, and I'm still getting the messages. > > [snip] > plip0: on ppbus0 > unknown: can't assign resources > unknown: can't assign resources > unknown: can't assign resources > unknown: can't assign resources > If you're just complaining about the messages, don't do anything. They'll go away soon, and there are much better things to spend your time worrying about. IF and ONLY IF the PNPBIOS code is causing your machine to fail, do the following: - Send me FULL DETAILS; this will need to include the trap messages and, if the trap is in the kernel, a DDB traceback. - Read the loader's online help for details on disabling use of the PnP BIOS. Note - just turning it off and not letting us fix this is a Really Stupid Idea, and I'd hope that you can see why. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 0:48:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.bart.nl (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582CD37B53D for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:48:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@lucifer.bart.nl) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.bart.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26527; Sat, 13 May 2000 09:48:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 09:48:39 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: Marius Strom Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: breakage in mtree? Message-ID: <20000513094839.A26402@lucifer.bart.nl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from marius@alpha1.net on Fri, May 12, 2000 at 06:27:34PM -0500 Organisation: VIA Net.Works The Netherlands Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20000513 01:30], Marius Strom (marius@alpha1.net) wrote: >cvsup as of ~20 minutes ago, during a buildworld: > >-o mtree compare.o crc.o create.o misc.o mtree.o spec.o verify.o >setflags.o -lmd >create.o: In function `cwalk': >create.o(.text+0xcf): undefined reference to `check_excludes' Should be fixed by Garrett Wollman's commit. Please re-cvsup. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator VIA Net.Works The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl Veni, Vidi, Vici... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 5:11:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from ns.cvzoom.net (ns.cvzoom.net [208.226.154.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5841E37BDDC for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 05:11:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmmiller@cvzoom.net) Received: (qmail 24059 invoked from network); 13 May 2000 12:11:26 -0000 Received: from lc210.cvzoom.net (HELO cvzoom.net) (208.226.154.210) by ns.cvzoom.net with SMTP; 13 May 2000 12:11:26 -0000 Message-ID: <391D466D.432F389A@cvzoom.net> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 08:11:25 -0400 From: Donn Miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@freebsd.org Subject: make buildworld error Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ===> usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/openssl -DCRYPTO -DHAVE_LIBCRYPTO -DHAVE_RC5_H -DHAVE_CAST_H -I/usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/lbl -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include version.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/tcpdump.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/addrtoname.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/bpf_dump.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/gmt2local.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/machdep.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/parsenfsfh.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-ah.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-arp.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-ascii.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-atalk.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-atm.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-bgp.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-bootp.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-chdlc.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-cip.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-decnet.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-dhcp6.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-domain.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-dvmrp.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-egp.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-esp.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-ether.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-fddi.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-frag6.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-gre.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-icmp.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-icmp6.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-igrp.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-ip.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-ip6.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-ip6opts.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-ipcomp.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-ipx.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-isakmp.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-isoclns.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-krb.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-l2tp.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-lane.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-lcp.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-llc.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-mobile.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-nfs.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-ntp.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-null.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-ospf.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-ospf6.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-pim.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-ppp.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-pppoe.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-raw.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-rip.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-ripng.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-rt6.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-rx.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-sl.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-smb.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-snmp.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-sunrpc.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-tcp.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-telnet.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-tftp.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-token.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-udp.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-vjc.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-wb.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/savestr.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/setsignal.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/smbutil.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/util.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-esp.c:54: blowfish.h: No such file or directory /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-esp.c:56: rc5.h: No such file or directory /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-esp.c:59: cast.h: No such file or directory mkdep: compile failed *** Error code 1 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error - Donn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 5:13:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gidora.zeta.org.au (gidora.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BB6B037BDF9 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 05:13:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@zeta.org.au) Received: (qmail 2973 invoked from network); 13 May 2000 12:13:15 -0000 Received: from bde.zeta.org.au (203.2.228.102) by gidora.zeta.org.au with SMTP; 13 May 2000 12:13:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:13:12 +1000 (EST) From: Bruce Evans X-Sender: bde@besplex.bde.org To: David O'Brien Cc: Munehiro Matsuda , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Small fix for compile error with internat crypto code In-Reply-To: <20000512010946.A15400@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 12 May 2000, David O'Brien wrote: > On Fri, May 12, 2000 at 04:41:09PM +0900, Munehiro Matsuda wrote: > > When run 'make -j4 buildworld' with internat crypto code installed, > > I get following error: > > mkdir: openssl: File exists > > *** Error code 1 > > - @test -d openssl || mkdir -p openssl > > + -@mkdir -p openssl > > The "-" is not needed as `mkdir -p' will not return an error condition. > > > - @test -d openssl || mkdir -p openssl > > + -@mkdir -p openssl > > Same here. Bruce Evans just told me the other day that make(1) can have > issues with shell "&&" and "||". Guess you hit one of the cases it can > fail with -j. I guess the bug is a more normal one for -j4 -- broken dependencies may cause a rule to be repeated concurrently. Multiple concurrent "mkdir -p openssl"s may loses races to each other and fail despite the -p. The "-" then hides the bug. The semantics of -p only hides it if the races are external to the mkdirs. Putting @ before commands mainly breaks debugging. E.g., here it may hide the multiple invocations of mkdir -p. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 5:25: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from grace.acm.rpi.edu (grace.acm.rpi.edu [128.213.5.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C269437BDF5 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 05:25:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jackal@acm.rpi.edu) Received: (qmail 22191 invoked by uid 1135); 13 May 2000 12:24:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 08:24:48 -0400 From: Hasan Diwan To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make buildworld error Message-ID: <20000513082448.A22157@acm.rpi.edu> References: <391D466D.432F389A@cvzoom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <391D466D.432F389A@cvzoom.net>; from Donn Miller on Sat, May 13, 2000 at 08:11:25AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mr Miller: Try obtaining a crypto distribution from internat or freefall. That should solve your problem. On Sat, May 13, 2000 at 08:11:25AM -0400, Donn Miller wrote: > -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/openssl -DCRYPTO -DHAVE_LIBCRYPTO > -DHAVE_RC5_H -DHAVE_CAST_H > /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-esp.c:54: > blowfish.h: No such file or directory > /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-esp.c:56: > rc5.h: No such file or directory > /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump/tcpdump/../../../contrib/tcpdump/print-esp.c:59: > cast.h: No such file or directory --=20 Hasan Diwan [hdiwan@pobox.com] Computer Science Department Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a iQCVAwUBOR1Jj/itTU38wbMJAQGFvwP/ZISDc4BHd/wC1hGJUDr3IOEJ+DN/xmv+ jdrPuNBE/lHShim3ha/W+1bIuawCc+KksyBhPALZE3Ie9EYbqBTpVZpzUTKADQXS onSdwHi0CzvTkulS6yf/acQukiPXephGgxgFZ+luS/RINU8LjU/XMUNwioi1iLRN kxOi94pLK4E= =oBJ8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 5:34:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from ns.cvzoom.net (ns.cvzoom.net [208.226.154.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B95F237B94F for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 05:34:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmmiller@cvzoom.net) Received: (qmail 30006 invoked from network); 13 May 2000 12:34:36 -0000 Received: from lc210.cvzoom.net (HELO cvzoom.net) (208.226.154.210) by ns.cvzoom.net with SMTP; 13 May 2000 12:34:36 -0000 Message-ID: <391D4BDC.535002A8@cvzoom.net> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 08:34:36 -0400 From: Donn Miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hasan Diwan Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make buildworld error References: <391D466D.432F389A@cvzoom.net> <20000513082448.A22157@acm.rpi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hasan Diwan wrote: > > Mr Miller: > Try obtaining a crypto distribution from internat or freefall. > That should solve your problem. Damn - I just forgot to uncomment the cvs-crypto line in my supfile. Thanks! - Donn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 5:39: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from Awfulhak.org (tun.AwfulHak.org [194.242.139.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5974C37B585; Sat, 13 May 2000 05:38:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (root@hak.lan.awfulhak.org [172.16.0.12]) by Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA69672; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:39:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29044; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:39:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200005131239.NAA29044@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: Igor Timkin , current@FreeBSD.org, Jonathan Lemon , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, brian@hak.lan.awfulhak.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet tcp.h tcp_input.c tcp_output.c tcp_timer.c tcp_var.h In-Reply-To: Message from "Andrey A. Chernov" of "Thu, 11 May 2000 12:00:34 PDT." <20000511120033.A61202@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 13:39:11 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 02:56:58PM +0400, Igor Timkin wrote: > > The same problem. Local is openssh (current), remote is ssh-1.2.22 (2.2.6), > > slip ~24kbps connection. Remote log: > > May 9 09:59:17 crocus sshd[21285]: fatal: Local: Corrupted check bytes on input. > > This thing is even worse - I notice the same problem occurse in > CURRENT->CURRENT ssh connection, both with NewReno! > It means that NewReno implementation have some internal errors when two > identical -currents can't speak each other properly sometimes (when modem have > long 30secs retrain). This has been happening to me in environments with high packet loss, and before the NewReno changes went in. It was only happening in a rather dubious environment were there was high packet loss (compressed PPP over uncompressed PPP over a saturated ISDN dialup that drops up to one in every three packets). There were other bugs involved too - see recent updates to nat_cmd.c, so I never really took the whole thing too seriously (apart from suggesting to root@freefall that they shouldn't worry). I'm still seeing these errors: ipfw: -1 Refuse UDP 194.242.139.171 62.7.110.151 in via tun1 Fragment = 185 But haven't looked into them too deeply for the same reasons. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't suspect that the problem is entirely NewReno but rather that the NewReno stuff may be irritating some other problem(s). > -- > Andrey A. Chernov > > http://nagual.pp.ru/~ache/ -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 7:46:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 542) id 6456E37BAD8; Sat, 13 May 2000 07:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 07:46:04 -0700 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: Brian Somers Cc: Igor Timkin , current@FreeBSD.org, Jonathan Lemon , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, brian@hak.lan.awfulhak.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet tcp.h tcp_input.c tcp_output.c tcp_timer.c tcp_var.h Message-ID: <20000513074604.A27829@freebsd.org> References: <200005131239.NAA29044@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <200005131239.NAA29044@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org>; from brian@Awfulhak.org on Sat, May 13, 2000 at 01:39:11PM +0100 Organization: Biomechanoid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, May 13, 2000 at 01:39:11PM +0100, Brian Somers wrote: > This has been happening to me in environments with high packet loss, > and before the NewReno changes went in. It was only happening in a > rather dubious environment were there was high packet loss > (compressed PPP over uncompressed PPP over a saturated ISDN dialup > that drops up to one in every three packets). But this bug is gone (for me at least), when NewReno is turned off. Is it means that NewReno cause very high packet loss somehow? -- Andrey A. Chernov http://nagual.pp.ru/~ache/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 7:55:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from bogon.freebsd.dk (bogon.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B84337BE13; Sat, 13 May 2000 07:55:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk ([212.242.127.222]) by bogon.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18107; Sat, 13 May 2000 16:53:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost.freebsd.dk [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27285; Sat, 13 May 2000 16:53:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: Brian Somers , Igor Timkin , current@FreeBSD.org, Jonathan Lemon , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, brian@hak.lan.awfulhak.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet tcp.h tcp_input.c tcp_output.c tcp_timer.c tcp_var.h In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 13 May 2000 07:46:04 PDT." <20000513074604.A27829@freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 16:53:46 +0200 Message-ID: <27282.958229626@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000513074604.A27829@freebsd.org>, "Andrey A. Chernov" writes: >On Sat, May 13, 2000 at 01:39:11PM +0100, Brian Somers wrote: >> This has been happening to me in environments with high packet loss, >> and before the NewReno changes went in. It was only happening in a >> rather dubious environment were there was high packet loss >> (compressed PPP over uncompressed PPP over a saturated ISDN dialup >> that drops up to one in every three packets). > >But this bug is gone (for me at least), when NewReno is turned off. >Is it means that NewReno cause very high packet loss somehow? I can reproduce the problem when I cvsup over a lossy line, goes away when newreno is disabled. Who wants packet traces to look at ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD coreteam member | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 9:54:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from soda.csua.Berkeley.edu (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F027537B65B for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 09:54:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from smarter.than.nu (as3-1-129.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.194.51]) by soda.csua.Berkeley.edu (8.8.8/) via ESMTP id JAA15063; Sat, 13 May 2000 09:54:04 -0700 (PDT) env-from (brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 09:53:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian W. Buchanan" X-Sender: brian@smarter.than.nu To: Stephen Hocking Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can we please have a current that compiles? In-Reply-To: <200005121535.XAA47762@bloop.craftncomp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 12 May 2000, Stephen Hocking wrote: > For the past few days, current has not compiled, owing to problems (in no > particular order) with more, vinum and various INET options in the GENERIC > kernel. Can people please check things before they commit them? I like a > working compile at least *once* a week. Maybe the comitters ought to take an idea from many software companies and contribute $5 to the beer fund every time they break the build. Have it all come due at the next BSDcon to fund a committer beer bash. :-) - Brian, frequent contributor to his office's fund. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 11:42:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.interniq.org (mail.interniq.org [207.174.139.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B01B37B847 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 11:42:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from emre@interniq.org) Received: from interniq.org (adsl-78-214-169.bhm.bellsouth.net [216.78.214.169]) by mail.interniq.org (1.3.3.7/1.3.3.7) with ESMTP id CAA16883 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 02:42:39 -0600 Message-ID: <391DBECE.2A54FD80@interniq.org> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 15:45:02 -0500 From: emre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Real Player not working Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I run FreeBSD 5.0-20000419-CURRENT. I've installed Linux emulation, and the linux version of navigator works fine (the flashplugin works as well). I went ahead and installed Real Player 5.0 (Linux ELF version), but somehow I can't get it to work. I type "linux" to load the linux driver, and after that rvplayer...: bash-2.03# rvplayer ELF interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.1 not found Abort trap I know that ld-linux.so.1 is in /usr/compat/linux/lib, but I think that is where it's supposed to be. Can anyone help me and give me directions on how to solve this? My ports are from the same day I installed the system. Thanks in advance. Cheers, -- DSS/DH cryptographic KeyID: 0x69C2B37B (PGP5) | http://ozone.dhs.org Key fingerprint = 4FAF 6F70 B407 08AE 86EF AC0E 130E 932C 69C2 B37B System Uptime: up 2 days, 12:58, load average: 0.10 0.09 0.08 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 12: 4:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from pozo.com (pozo.com [216.101.162.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AEA37B8C0 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 12:04:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mantar@pacbell.net) Received: from dual.pacbell.net (dual.pozo.com [216.101.162.51]) by pozo.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00328 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 12:04:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mantar@pacbell.net) Message-Id: <4.3.2.3.2.20000513115532.00b32ee8@pozo.com> X-Sender: null@pozo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2.3 (Beta) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 12:04:37 -0700 To: current@freebsd.org From: Manfred Antar Subject: MAKEDEV Warning ??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I get this in boot mesgs and I don't know how to fix it. Device char-major=13 minor=0 opened in block mode, convert to char mode with /dev/MAKEDEV before 2000-07-01 I've run MAKEDEV all I have a simple fstab: # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/rda0b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/da0a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/rda0e /var ufs rw 2 2 /dev/rda0f /usr ufs rw 2 2 /dev/rda0g /usr/obj ufs rw 2 2 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 If i change /dev/da0a to /dev/rda0a it won't mount. If i use this I still get the same message: # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/da0b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/da0a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/da0e /var ufs rw 2 2 /dev/da0f /usr ufs rw 2 2 /dev/da0g /usr/obj ufs rw 2 2 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 This also causes the same message: /dev/da0s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/da0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/da0s1e /var ufs rw 2 2 /dev/da0s1f /usr ufs rw 2 2 /dev/da0s1g /usr/obj ufs rw 2 2 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 Which is correct ?? Also I've tried changing the ROOTDEV option in my kernel config to no avail Thanks Manfred ===================== || mantar@pacbell.net || || Ph. (415) 681-6235 || ===================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 12: 7:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.bart.nl (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0A037B9AC for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 12:07:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@lucifer.bart.nl) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.bart.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31747; Sat, 13 May 2000 21:07:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 21:07:31 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: Manfred Antar Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MAKEDEV Warning ??? Message-ID: <20000513210731.C31594@lucifer.bart.nl> References: <4.3.2.3.2.20000513115532.00b32ee8@pozo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.3.2.20000513115532.00b32ee8@pozo.com>; from mantar@pacbell.net on Sat, May 13, 2000 at 12:04:37PM -0700 Organisation: VIA Net.Works The Netherlands Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20000513 21:06], Manfred Antar (mantar@pacbell.net) wrote: >I get this in boot mesgs and I don't know how to fix it. >Device char-major=13 minor=0 opened in block mode, convert to char mode >with /dev/MAKEDEV before 2000-07-01 There is a bug somewhere in the rootmount code. I just lack the expertise to find out where it is. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator VIA Net.Works The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl I believe because it is impossible... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 12:13:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 759E837B5EA for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 12:13:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 82416 invoked by uid 1001); 13 May 2000 19:13:23 +0000 (GMT) To: phk@critter.freebsd.dk Cc: dnelson@emsphone.com, erik@usishealth.com, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MAKEDEV warning with sysinstall ? From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 May 2000 23:23:50 +0200" References: <20842.957821030@critter.freebsd.dk> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 21:13:23 +0200 Message-ID: <82414.958245203@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >> No, I havn't tracked down the last couple of causes of this, but I > >> will try to reproduce it as you describe it with some debugging added. > > > >How hard would it be to print the filename (or the device/inode) that > >triggers the warning? > > Not at all (warning: cut&pasted patch, tabs are screwed up!) A similar message is in /sys/miscfs/specfs/spec_vnops.c now. Anyway, there is still at least one case of devices being opened in block mode in the *kernel*, namely the following VFS_MOUNT call at line 215 of vfs_mountroot_try() (/sys/kern/vfs_conf.c): error = VFS_MOUNT(mp, NULL, NULL, NULL, curproc); Typical message: May 13 20:36:29 bp6 /kernel: Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1d May 13 20:36:29 bp6 /kernel: Device char-major=116 minor=131075 opened in block mode, convert to char mode with /dev/MAKEDEV before 2000-07-01 (Yes, I have -current root on ad0s1d, and -stable root on ad0s1a.) Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 12:15: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7239537BA11 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 12:14:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 82457 invoked by uid 1001); 13 May 2000 19:14:58 +0000 (GMT) To: jruigrok@via-net-works.nl Cc: mantar@pacbell.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MAKEDEV Warning ??? From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 13 May 2000 21:07:31 +0200" References: <20000513210731.C31594@lucifer.bart.nl> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 21:14:58 +0200 Message-ID: <82455.958245298@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >I get this in boot mesgs and I don't know how to fix it. > >Device char-major=13 minor=0 opened in block mode, convert to char mode > >with /dev/MAKEDEV before 2000-07-01 > > There is a bug somewhere in the rootmount code. It's the following VFS_MOUNT call at line 215 of vfs_mountroot_try() (/sys/kern/vfs_conf.c): error = VFS_MOUNT(mp, NULL, NULL, NULL, curproc); Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 12:18:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from bogon.freebsd.dk (bogon.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D096E37B5EA for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 12:18:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk ([212.242.127.222]) by bogon.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18488; Sat, 13 May 2000 21:18:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost.freebsd.dk [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA95935; Sat, 13 May 2000 21:18:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Cc: Manfred Antar , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MAKEDEV Warning ??? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 13 May 2000 21:07:31 +0200." <20000513210731.C31594@lucifer.bart.nl> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 21:18:12 +0200 Message-ID: <95933.958245492@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000513210731.C31594@lucifer.bart.nl>, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werv en writes: >-On [20000513 21:06], Manfred Antar (mantar@pacbell.net) wrote: >>I get this in boot mesgs and I don't know how to fix it. >>Device char-major=13 minor=0 opened in block mode, convert to char mode >>with /dev/MAKEDEV before 2000-07-01 > >There is a bug somewhere in the rootmount code. > >I just lack the expertise to find out where it is. Actually I think this is an indication of really old boot blocks. The old bootblocks passed in a Bmajor number for the root device. Could you try to update your bootblocks with the disklabel program and see if that stops the warning Manfred ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD coreteam member | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 12:32:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from pozo.com (pozo.com [216.101.162.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FAE37B7F7 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 12:32:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mantar@pacbell.net) Received: from dual.pacbell.net (dual.pozo.com [216.101.162.51]) by pozo.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00310; Sat, 13 May 2000 12:25:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mantar@pacbell.net) Message-Id: <4.3.2.3.2.20000513122249.00b3de98@pozo.com> X-Sender: null@pozo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2.3 (Beta) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 12:25:59 -0700 To: Poul-Henning Kamp , Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven From: Manfred Antar Subject: Re: MAKEDEV Warning ??? Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <95933.958245492@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <"Your message of Sat, 13 May 2000 21:07:31 +0200." <20000513210731.C31594@lucifer.bart.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 09:18 PM 5/13/2000 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >In message <20000513210731.C31594@lucifer.bart.nl>, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werv >en writes: > >-On [20000513 21:06], Manfred Antar (mantar@pacbell.net) wrote: > >>I get this in boot mesgs and I don't know how to fix it. > >>Device char-major=13 minor=0 opened in block mode, convert to char mode > >>with /dev/MAKEDEV before 2000-07-01 > > > >There is a bug somewhere in the rootmount code. > > > >I just lack the expertise to find out where it is. > >Actually I think this is an indication of really old boot blocks. > >The old bootblocks passed in a Bmajor number for the root device. > >Could you try to update your bootblocks with the disklabel >program and see if that stops the warning Manfred ? I did a disklabel -B da0 and it still happens Another thing is this is a RAID 1 disk <2 disk mirror> on a DPT RAID controller I don't know if that make a difference. Which is the dev I'm supposed to be using : rda0a, da0a, da0s1a ?? Manfred ===================== || mantar@pacbell.net || || Ph. (415) 681-6235 || ===================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 12:46:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B0B2737B51E for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 12:46:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 83077 invoked by uid 1001); 13 May 2000 19:46:37 +0000 (GMT) To: phk@critter.freebsd.dk Cc: jruigrok@via-net-works.nl, mantar@pacbell.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MAKEDEV Warning ??? From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 13 May 2000 21:18:12 +0200" References: <95933.958245492@critter.freebsd.dk> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 21:46:36 +0200 Message-ID: <83075.958247196@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Actually I think this is an indication of really old boot blocks. > > The old bootblocks passed in a Bmajor number for the root device. > > Could you try to update your bootblocks with the disklabel > program and see if that stops the warning Manfred ? I can't speak for this case, but the one I reported is with brand new boot blocks, installed after a -current buildworld today. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 12:54:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from assaris.sics.se (dyna225-140.nada.kth.se [130.237.225.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB03D37B8E2 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 12:54:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from assar@assaris.sics.se) Received: (from assar@localhost) by assaris.sics.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16818; Sat, 13 May 2000 21:54:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from assar) To: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Cc: Manfred Antar , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MAKEDEV Warning ??? References: <4.3.2.3.2.20000513115532.00b32ee8@pozo.com> <20000513210731.C31594@lucifer.bart.nl> From: Assar Westerlund Date: 13 May 2000 21:54:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven's message of "Sat, 13 May 2000 21:07:31 +0200" Message-ID: <5lwvkyz0n0.fsf@assaris.sics.se> Lines: 24 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070098 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.98) Emacs/20.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven writes: > -On [20000513 21:06], Manfred Antar (mantar@pacbell.net) wrote: > >I get this in boot mesgs and I don't know how to fix it. > >Device char-major=13 minor=0 opened in block mode, convert to char mode > >with /dev/MAKEDEV before 2000-07-01 > > There is a bug somewhere in the rootmount code. The following patch fixed the problem for me. For extra points, rename the function. /assar --- vfs_subr.c~ Sat May 6 00:08:38 2000 +++ vfs_subr.c Sat May 13 21:47:08 2000 @@ -1296,7 +1296,7 @@ return (error); } vp = nvp; - vp->v_type = VBLK; + vp->v_type = VCHR; addalias(vp, dev); *vpp = vp; return (0); To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 13: 0:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rtp.tfd.com (rtp.tfd.com [198.79.53.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8371437BB9C for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:00:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kent@tfd.com) Received: (from kent@localhost) by rtp.tfd.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07592 for current@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 May 2000 15:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 15:58:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Kent Hauser Message-Id: <200005131958.PAA07592@rtp.tfd.com> To: current@freebsd.org Subject: buildworld error: now it's ngctl Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After cvsup'ing this afternoon, mtree compiles. But ngctl fails: ===> usr.sbin/ngctl cc -O -pipe -Wall -c /usr/src/usr.sbin/ngctl/types.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/ngctl/types.c: In function `TypesCmd': /usr/src/usr.sbin/ngctl/types.c:86: structure has no member named `type_name' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/usr.sbin/ngctl. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/usr.sbin. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 13: 1:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CF7FB37BE3E for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:01:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 83285 invoked by uid 1001); 13 May 2000 20:01:43 +0000 (GMT) To: assar@sics.se Cc: jruigrok@via-net-works.nl, mantar@pacbell.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MAKEDEV Warning ??? From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "13 May 2000 21:54:43 +0200" References: <5lwvkyz0n0.fsf@assaris.sics.se> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:01:42 +0200 Message-ID: <83283.958248102@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The following patch fixed the problem for me. For extra points, > rename the function. That fixed the problem for the me too. Thanks! Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 13: 7:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from pozo.com (pozo.com [216.101.162.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 111BB37B9AC for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:07:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mantar@pacbell.net) Received: from dual.pacbell.net (dual.pozo.com [216.101.162.51]) by pozo.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00268; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:07:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mantar@pacbell.net) Message-Id: <4.3.2.3.2.20000513130322.00b34a48@pozo.com> X-Sender: null@pozo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2.3 (Beta) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 13:07:00 -0700 To: Assar Westerlund , Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven From: Manfred Antar Subject: Re: MAKEDEV Warning ??? Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <5lwvkyz0n0.fsf@assaris.sics.se> References: <4.3.2.3.2.20000513115532.00b32ee8@pozo.com> <20000513210731.C31594@lucifer.bart.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 09:54 PM 5/13/2000 +0200, Assar Westerlund wrote: >Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven writes: > > -On [20000513 21:06], Manfred Antar (mantar@pacbell.net) wrote: > > >I get this in boot mesgs and I don't know how to fix it. > > >Device char-major=13 minor=0 opened in block mode, convert to char mode > > >with /dev/MAKEDEV before 2000-07-01 > > > > There is a bug somewhere in the rootmount code. > >The following patch fixed the problem for me. For extra points, >rename the function. > >/assar > >--- vfs_subr.c~ Sat May 6 00:08:38 2000 >+++ vfs_subr.c Sat May 13 21:47:08 2000 >@@ -1296,7 +1296,7 @@ > return (error); > } > vp = nvp; >- vp->v_type = VBLK; >+ vp->v_type = VCHR; > addalias(vp, dev); > *vpp = vp; > return (0); That works for me too . Which is the correct dev /dev/da0a , /dev/rda0a , or /dev/da0s1a to use rda0a won't work. da0a works fine and I got rid of all the da0s1a,b,e,f,g ones ? Manfred ===================== || mantar@pacbell.net || || Ph. (415) 681-6235 || ===================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 13:19: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from bogon.freebsd.dk (bogon.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 879C537BAD6 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:19:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk ([212.242.127.222]) by bogon.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18584; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:19:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00364; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:18:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Manfred Antar Cc: Assar Westerlund , Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MAKEDEV Warning ??? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 13 May 2000 13:07:00 PDT." <4.3.2.3.2.20000513130322.00b34a48@pozo.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:18:57 +0200 Message-ID: <362.958249137@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <4.3.2.3.2.20000513130322.00b34a48@pozo.com>, Manfred Antar writes: >>--- vfs_subr.c~ Sat May 6 00:08:38 2000 >>+++ vfs_subr.c Sat May 13 21:47:08 2000 >>@@ -1296,7 +1296,7 @@ >> return (error); >> } >> vp = nvp; >>- vp->v_type = VBLK; >>+ vp->v_type = VCHR; >> addalias(vp, dev); >> *vpp = vp; >> return (0); >That works for me too . Yes, that looks correct. >Which is the correct dev /dev/da0a , /dev/rda0a , or /dev/da0s1a to use >rda0a won't work. da0a works fine and I got rid of all the da0s1a,b,e,f,g ones ? In all likelyhood /dev/da0s1a is the one you should use. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD coreteam member | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 13:28:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.bart.nl (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E8537BAD6 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:28:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@lucifer.bart.nl) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.bart.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32440; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:28:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:28:25 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: Manfred Antar Cc: Assar Westerlund , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MAKEDEV Warning ??? Message-ID: <20000513222825.B32232@lucifer.bart.nl> References: <20000513210731.C31594@lucifer.bart.nl> <5lwvkyz0n0.fsf@assaris.sics.se> <4.3.2.3.2.20000513130322.00b34a48@pozo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.3.2.20000513130322.00b34a48@pozo.com>; from mantar@pacbell.net on Sat, May 13, 2000 at 01:07:00PM -0700 Organisation: VIA Net.Works The Netherlands Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20000513 22:08], Manfred Antar (mantar@pacbell.net) wrote: >Which is the correct dev /dev/da0a , /dev/rda0a , or /dev/da0s1a to use >rda0a won't work. da0a works fine and I got rid of all the da0s1a,b,e,f,g ones ? The /dev/da0s1a would be the correct one to use, example: # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/da0s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/da0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/da0s1e /tmp ufs rw 2 2 /dev/da0s1g /usr ufs rw 2 2 /dev/da0s1f /var ufs rw 2 2 /dev/da0s1h /work ufs rw 2 2 /dev/cd0c /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 /dev/fd0 /diskette msdos rw,noauto 0 0 -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator VIA Net.Works The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl I walk, I walk alone, into the promised land... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 13:38:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from pozo.com (pozo.com [216.101.162.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D17837B7A3 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:38:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mantar@pacbell.net) Received: from dual.pacbell.net (dual.pozo.com [216.101.162.51]) by pozo.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00351; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:38:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mantar@pacbell.net) Message-Id: <4.3.2.3.2.20000513133535.00b39a60@pozo.com> X-Sender: null@pozo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2.3 (Beta) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 13:38:17 -0700 To: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven From: Manfred Antar Subject: Re: MAKEDEV Warning ??? Cc: Assar Westerlund , current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000513222825.B32232@lucifer.bart.nl> References: <4.3.2.3.2.20000513130322.00b34a48@pozo.com> <"Jeroen <4.3.2.3.2.20000513115532.00b32ee8"@pozo.com> <20000513210731.C31594@lucifer.bart.nl> <5lwvkyz0n0.fsf@assaris.sics.se> <4.3.2.3.2.20000513130322.00b34a48@pozo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:28 PM 5/13/2000 +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: >-On [20000513 22:08], Manfred Antar (mantar@pacbell.net) wrote: > >Which is the correct dev /dev/da0a , /dev/rda0a , or /dev/da0s1a to use > >rda0a won't work. da0a works fine and I got rid of all the da0s1a,b,e,f,g ones ? > >The /dev/da0s1a would be the correct one to use, example: > > ># Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# >/dev/da0s1b none swap sw 0 0 >/dev/da0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 >/dev/da0s1e /tmp ufs rw 2 2 >/dev/da0s1g /usr ufs rw 2 2 >/dev/da0s1f /var ufs rw 2 2 >/dev/da0s1h /work ufs rw 2 2 >/dev/cd0c /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 >proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 >/dev/fd0 /diskette msdos rw,noauto 0 0 > >-- >Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator > VIA Net.Works The Netherlands >BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl >I walk, I walk alone, into the promised land... OK Thats what I was using before. MAKEDEV doesn't automatically create the s1a devices so I switched thinking that what was causing the error Thanks Manfred ===================== || mantar@pacbell.net || || Ph. (415) 681-6235 || ===================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 13:43:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (peter1.yahoo.com [208.48.107.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9A837B9CB; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:43:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7691CD7; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:43:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: "Andrey A. Chernov" , Brian Somers , Igor Timkin , current@FreeBSD.org, Jonathan Lemon , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, brian@hak.lan.awfulhak.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet tcp.h tcp_input.c tcp_output.c tcp_timer.c tcp_var.h In-Reply-To: Message from Poul-Henning Kamp of "Sat, 13 May 2000 16:53:46 +0200." <27282.958229626@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 13:43:13 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20000513204313.0D7691CD7@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <20000513074604.A27829@freebsd.org>, "Andrey A. Chernov" writes: > >On Sat, May 13, 2000 at 01:39:11PM +0100, Brian Somers wrote: > >> This has been happening to me in environments with high packet loss, > >> and before the NewReno changes went in. It was only happening in a > >> rather dubious environment were there was high packet loss > >> (compressed PPP over uncompressed PPP over a saturated ISDN dialup > >> that drops up to one in every three packets). > > > >But this bug is gone (for me at least), when NewReno is turned off. > >Is it means that NewReno cause very high packet loss somehow? > > I can reproduce the problem when I cvsup over a lossy line, goes > away when newreno is disabled. Yes, I had Jayanth turn newreno off by default. Jonathan Lemon committed it before Jayanth was ready. We have fixed it locally and are running a torture test on it. The problem was that retransmits were sending the wrong data(!). Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 17:49:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB50637BBDD; Sat, 13 May 2000 17:49:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id KAA01091; Sun, 14 May 2000 10:19:21 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 10:19:21 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: "Brian W. Buchanan" Cc: Stephen Hocking , current@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Committers Subject: Breaking "build world" costs $5? (was: Can we please have a current that compiles?) Message-ID: <20000514101921.F847@freebie.lemis.com> References: <200005121535.XAA47762@bloop.craftncomp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Saturday, 13 May 2000 at 9:53:40 -0700, Brian W. Buchanan wrote: > On Fri, 12 May 2000, Stephen Hocking wrote: > >> For the past few days, current has not compiled, owing to problems (in no >> particular order) with more, vinum and various INET options in the GENERIC >> kernel. Can people please check things before they commit them? I like a >> working compile at least *once* a week. > > Maybe the comitters ought to take an idea from many software companies and > contribute $5 to the beer fund every time they break the build. Have it > all come due at the next BSDcon to fund a committer beer bash. :-) I'd go along with that. What do the other committers think? Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 17:58:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from darren2.lnk.telstra.net (darren2.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.53.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3483437BBC2; Sat, 13 May 2000 17:57:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darrenr@reed.wattle.id.au) Received: (from root@localhost) by darren2.lnk.telstra.net (8.9.1/8.8.7) id AAA11491; Sun, 14 May 2000 00:57:46 GMT From: Darren Reed Message-Id: <200005140057.KAA08965@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> Subject: Re: Breaking "build world" costs $5? (was: Can we please have a current that compiles?) In-Reply-To: <20000514101921.F847@freebie.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "May 14, 0 10:19:21 am" To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 10:57:16 +1000 (EST) Cc: brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU, shocking@prth.pgs.com, current@FreeBSD.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL37 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In some email I received from Greg Lehey, sie wrote: > On Saturday, 13 May 2000 at 9:53:40 -0700, Brian W. Buchanan wrote: > > On Fri, 12 May 2000, Stephen Hocking wrote: > > > >> For the past few days, current has not compiled, owing to problems (in no > >> particular order) with more, vinum and various INET options in the GENERIC > >> kernel. Can people please check things before they commit them? I like a > >> working compile at least *once* a week. > > > > Maybe the comitters ought to take an idea from many software companies and > > contribute $5 to the beer fund every time they break the build. Have it > > all come due at the next BSDcon to fund a committer beer bash. :-) > > I'd go along with that. What do the other committers think? Isn't this the "FreeBSD" project ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 19:25:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rtp.tfd.com (rtp.tfd.com [198.79.53.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1279037BC16 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 19:25:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kent@lab1.tfd.com) Received: from lab1.tfd.com (lab1.tfd.com [10.9.200.31]) by rtp.tfd.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA07978 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lab1.tfd.com id AA16113 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for current@freebsd.org); Sat, 13 May 2000 22:23:16 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:23:16 -0400 From: Kent Hauser Message-Id: <200005140223.AA16113@lab1.tfd.com> To: current@freebsd.org Subject: make release problem Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In trying to build "make release" today, I discovered that the "vn" driver is required now to build the boot floppies. I would suggest that this driver be added to "GENERIC". For what it's worth, I added the driver to my kernel, rebooted, and completed the make release. Thanks all. Kent To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 19:33:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (adsl-63-202-176-114.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.176.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148E137BBF1 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 19:33:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06797; Sat, 13 May 2000 19:34:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200005140234.TAA06797@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Kent Hauser Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make release problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 13 May 2000 22:23:16 EDT." <200005140223.AA16113@lab1.tfd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 19:34:06 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > In trying to build "make release" today, I discovered that the > "vn" driver is required now to build the boot floppies. What do you mean "now"? It's _always_ been required. > I would suggest that this driver be added to "GENERIC". For > what it's worth, I added the driver to my kernel, rebooted, and > completed the make release. vnconfig should just load the KLD; if this doesn't work, you can load it manually. Rebuilding a kernel is not required (and shouldn't be). -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 19:44:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rtp.tfd.com (rtp.tfd.com [198.79.53.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFAF37BC15; Sat, 13 May 2000 19:44:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kent@lab1.tfd.com) Received: from lab1.tfd.com (lab1.tfd.com [10.9.200.31]) by rtp.tfd.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA08007; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lab1.tfd.com id AA16163 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Sat, 13 May 2000 22:42:25 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:42:25 -0400 From: Kent Hauser Message-Id: <200005140242.AA16163@lab1.tfd.com> To: kent@lab1.tfd.com, msmith@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make release problem Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Curious. I've done several (say a dozen) make release builds in the last 4 months of 4.0-CURRENT & 5.0-CURRENT. The previous one was about 2 weeks ago. I've never had "vn" in my kernel, nor had a problem. Maybe something in the latest "loadable kernel modules" synchronization/version control changes have prevented automatic loading? In any event, I've never had this trouble before. For what it's worth, today after I got "make world" to work, I rebuilt my kernel & did a make release (for my other machines). I had to add "vn" to my kernel for the first time to get "release" to work. You mileage may vary.... Kent To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 19:54:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from wint.itfs.nsk.su (wint.itfs.nsk.su [212.20.32.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D5F37BA7B for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 19:54:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nnd@wint.itfs.nsk.su) Received: (from nnd@localhost) by wint.itfs.nsk.su (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11962; Sun, 14 May 2000 09:54:44 +0700 (NOVST) (envelope-from nnd) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 09:54:44 +0700 (NOVST) Message-Id: <200005140254.JAA11962@wint.itfs.nsk.su> From: Nickolay Dudorov To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make release problem In-Reply-To: <200005140234.TAA06797@mass.cdrom.com> User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/5.0-CURRENT (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <200005140234.TAA06797@mass.cdrom.com> Mike Smith wrote: >> >> In trying to build "make release" today, I discovered that the >> "vn" driver is required now to build the boot floppies. > > What do you mean "now"? It's _always_ been required. > >> I would suggest that this driver be added to "GENERIC". For >> what it's worth, I added the driver to my kernel, rebooted, and >> completed the make release. > > vnconfig should just load the KLD; if this doesn't work, you can load it > manually. Rebuilding a kernel is not required (and shouldn't be). Some care must be taken when cross-building release - f.e. building 4.0-STABLE on the CURRENT system. Loading the KLD by vnconfig will use the newly build module in the chrooted environment i.e. 4.0-STABLE module while the kernel is CURRENT. So the module must be IN before to start 'make release'. N.Dudorov To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 21:25:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2088037B52E for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 21:25:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07361 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 21:25:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id VAA77617; Sat, 13 May 2000 21:25:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 21:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005140425.VAA77617@vashon.polstra.com> To: current@freebsd.org Reply-To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Breaking "build world" costs $5? (was: Can we please have a current that compiles?) In-Reply-To: <200005140057.KAA08965@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> References: <200005140057.KAA08965@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Maybe the comitters ought to take an idea from many software companies and > > > contribute $5 to the beer fund every time they break the build. Have it > > > all come due at the next BSDcon to fund a committer beer bash. :-) > > > > I'd go along with that. What do the other committers think? > > Isn't this the "FreeBSD" project ? Haven't you heard? We renamed it "FreeBeerSD". John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 22:49:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A75B37BC42 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:49:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28779; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:47:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <391E3E0C.BAF17DF5@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:47:56 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0508 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Nowlin Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can we please have a current that compiles? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Nowlin wrote: > > > I'd just seen a series of bad commits whose corrections weren't caught by the > > frequency of my cvs updates I guees. Vinum is compiling now, and kernels with > > IPSEC and INETV6 now link, it's just that last night's problems with more got > > me a little ticked off. > > > > cc: main.c: No such file or directory > > mkdep: compile failed > > *** Error code 1 > > Oh, come on -- this is the New FreeBSD - "Designed for the die-hard > hacker, we remove random parts of the system so you can enjoy the > challenge of figuring out what the missing functions did!" No, this is -current. It breaks sometimes. This is not to excuse developers from adequately testing their changes, but if you can't handle a world the breaks sometimes, don't run -current. Doug -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 13 23:49:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from bogon.freebsd.dk (bogon.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1249237BD40; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:49:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk ([212.242.127.222]) by bogon.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19855; Sun, 14 May 2000 08:49:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00985; Sun, 14 May 2000 08:49:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Mike Smith Cc: Kent Hauser , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make release problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 13 May 2000 19:34:06 PDT." <200005140234.TAA06797@mass.cdrom.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 08:49:24 +0200 Message-ID: <983.958286964@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200005140234.TAA06797@mass.cdrom.com>, Mike Smith writes: >> >> In trying to build "make release" today, I discovered that the >> "vn" driver is required now to build the boot floppies. > >What do you mean "now"? It's _always_ been required. I actually think you could still do it with real floppies up until the point where we went to two-floppy install... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD coreteam member | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message