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On Sat, May 06, 2000 at 06:26:56PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote:
> [ FU to -doc ]
> 
> On Sat, May 06, 2000 at 01:11:21PM +0100, Paul Richards wrote:
> > Wes Peters wrote:
> > > Plus, this way we could load a fontset that has an "o" character for
> > > Canadian and American English and an "ou" character for UK and Aussie
> > > English and finally! use a consistent "flavour" of the word "color" in
> > > our documentation.
> > 
> > We could do that in the SGML anyway, create an entity that was &ou; and
> > depending on the language mapping produce a "o" or a "ou", I guess you
> > could create &sz; as well and use it similarly.
> 
> NO.
> 
> [ OK, I know, you're joking, but there's a reason why the "English" docs
>   are in en_US.ISO_8859-1.  If we started using British spellings, those
>   docs would go in en_GB.ISO_8859-1. . . ]
> 
> How inconsistent are we?  A grep for "colour" in the Handbook shows no 
> matches, and one for "flavour" shows one match.
> 

Are you going to submit a PR and patch Nik, or shall I?

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Hello!

Just happened to write this kernel-module, which panics the machine.

It is, if you just set up your savecore-setup, you have to wait for a
panic to test, if it works. If this is a panic you would have liked to
savecore, and it didn't work, this can be annoying.

(At least that was my problem when setting up the savecore setup back
then) :)

Maybe something _like_ this (it depends on pci, which is not quite
useful) can be integrated to the save-core documentation in the
handbook, to make clear how to test your setup.

Comments?

Alex
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/*
 * $FreeBSD$
 */

/* #include <machine/bus.h> */
#include <sys/param.h>
#include <sys/systm.h>
#include <sys/kernel.h>
#include <sys/module.h>
#include <sys/bus.h>
#include <sys/conf.h>
#include <sys/malloc.h>
#include <sys/uio.h>
#include <machine/bus.h>
#include <machine/clock.h>
#include <sys/rman.h>

/* -------------------------------------------------------------------- */

static int
panic_probe(device_t dev)
{
	panic("Controlled panic() by panic.ko");
	return(ENXIO);
}

static device_method_t panic_methods[] = {
	/* Device interface */
	DEVMETHOD(device_probe,		panic_probe),
	{ 0, 0 }
};

static driver_t panic_driver = {
	"panic",
	panic_methods,
	0,
};

static devclass_t panic_devclass;

DRIVER_MODULE(panic, pci, panic_driver, panic_devclass, 0, 0);

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# $FreeBSD$

KMOD=	panic
SRCS=	panic.c bus_if.h device_if.h

.include <bsd.kmod.mk>

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On Sun, 7 May 2000, Alexander Langer wrote:

> Hello!
> 
> Just happened to write this kernel-module, which panics the machine.
> 
> It is, if you just set up your savecore-setup, you have to wait for a
> panic to test, if it works. If this is a panic you would have liked to
> savecore, and it didn't work, this can be annoying.
> 

As opposed to pressing ctrl-alt-esc to get into DDB, then typing 'panic'?

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Thus spake Chris D. Faulhaber (jedgar@fxp.org):

> As opposed to pressing ctrl-alt-esc to get into DDB, then typing 'panic'?

This needs to be compiled into the kernel, modules compile faster than
new kernels :-P

But, this could be documented as well.

Alex

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Warner Losh <imp@village.org>wrote:
> In message <20000506170628.B20435@pavilion.net> Joe Karthauser writes:
> : I so wish that I could read/write Japanese.  It sounds like there's some
> : translation work that's required.

Can I (or Japanese doc team) add all of the FreeBSD books to the
"list of FreeBSD books" page (http://www.FreeBSD.org/publish.html) ?

There are following problems.

o  Each entry of "list of FreeBSD books" contains "book cover photo".
   So, we have to get the photo image from the publisher.

   If we can add a book the list without "book cover image", the work
   will become very easy.

o  I don't know the standard of the "list of FreeBSD books" page.
   FreeBSD-specific book will be OK.  But how about "FreeBSD and
   other BSD" or "FreeBSD and Linux" book? 

o  The manpower of Japanese doc team.
   As so many English doc changes have been committed last year,
   Our work become very very hard.

o  There are so many FreeBSD books in Japan, can we really add all
   of them to the "list of FreeBSD books" ?  The list will become
   too long to read :-)


> If you have them in electronic form, you can generally get passing
> fair translations from honyaku
> (http://www.omronsoft.co.jp/SP/pcunix/honyaku/index.html)
> but you have to work at it.  It has been useful for my learning of
> Japanese, but also for following Japanese mailing lists.  Cost is
> about $100 (11,380 yen) plus shipping.

We are happy if English-native people will help our work.

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On 2000-05-05 10:59 -0400, Zhihui Zhang <zzhang@cs.binghamton.edu> wrote:
> 
> I have written a document describing the sysctl mechanism in FreeBSD 4.0.  
> It also contains a picture.

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In message <200005080017.JAA12984@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> Motoyuki Konno writes:
: Can I (or Japanese doc team) add all of the FreeBSD books to the
: "list of FreeBSD books" page (http://www.FreeBSD.org/publish.html) ?

Yes.  Maybe under a separate section.

: There are following problems.
: o  Each entry of "list of FreeBSD books" contains "book cover photo".
:    So, we have to get the photo image from the publisher.
: 
:    If we can add a book the list without "book cover image", the work
:    will become very easy.

Yes.  I think that's acceptible.  If you have an image, include it.
Otherwise just note its existance.

: o  I don't know the standard of the "list of FreeBSD books" page.
:    FreeBSD-specific book will be OK.  But how about "FreeBSD and
:    other BSD" or "FreeBSD and Linux" book? 

I think that books substantially about FreeBSD are good here.  Books
that talk about only Linux, or where Linux is 90% of the book with an
appendix on FreeBSD would not be good to highlight here.  My take is
that if it bills itself as being about FreeBSD or *BSD, then it can be 
included here.  Just my take.

: o  The manpower of Japanese doc team.
:    As so many English doc changes have been committed last year,
:    Our work become very very hard.

This is the sort of problem one wants with documentation :-).  I wish
that I could help out here.

: o  There are so many FreeBSD books in Japan, can we really add all
:    of them to the "list of FreeBSD books" ?  The list will become
:    too long to read :-)

I think that might be useful.  It might be best to segregate them by
language.

: > If you have them in electronic form, you can generally get passing
: > fair translations from honyaku
: We are happy if English-native people will help our work.

I'm sad to report than Honyaku is a great tool for someone learning
Japanese to be able to communicate with Japanese people.  It would not 
be suited for an automatic translation into Japanese of large,
complex texts.  This paragraph, for example, was totally mangled by
honyaku when I tried to translate it.  The sentences in this paragraph 
have too many cluases, which confuses honyaku and makes it harder for
it to suggest a suitable translation.  This paragraph is no more or
less complex than the documentation that we have in our tree.

I'd use it only as a first cut translation aid, if that, for a native
Japanese speaker that also understands some English so they can go
back to the original sources and see what was really ment.

My Japanese is so bad that I'm unable to help in this area.

Warner


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Nik Clayton wrote:

> To give you an analogy, one of the things that really throws me everytime
> I see a Linux box booting up is the various copyrights as the boot probes
> go by.  I'd never expect to see a
> 
>     [...]
>     fxp0: <Intel EtherExpress Pro 10/100B Ethernet> rev 0x05 int a irq 10
>     fxp0: Driver written by David Greenman <dg@FreeBSD.org>
>     [...]
> 
> in FreeBSD.

	I wouldn't expect to see that either, but I don't think it's a valid
analogy. You don't _have_ to go to the handbook, you do have to use the
right device drivers for your stuff. Additionally, most of the code in
the system is a collaboration of multiple individuals, whereas handbook
sections are almost universally written by single authors, then updated
or improved in small ways over time. 

> I kind of feel the same way about the Handbook -- it's why there's no
> explicit credit for me in makeworld.html (although, oddly enough, there is
> one in the PPP chapter for some reason).

	It's certainly your choice to do what you will with what you write. I
have some of each. The ones I put my name on are ones that someone might
want to contact me about, and/or ones that I intend to show
professionally. 
 
> Having said that, I can completely see your point about public credit being
> a good and useful thing.

	More than just useful, a professional necessity in many cases. Having
previously been in the business of selling myself in this arena, it's
one thing to say, "Here's all the cool documentation I've written," vs.
"Let me show you some places where prominent companies/projects use my
work." 
 
> On the third hand, I don't want a situation whereby there's a honking big
> piece of text at the front of every chapter listing everyone who's ever
> submitted a patch to it.
> 
> On the fourth hand, nor do I particularly want the job of deciding whether
> someone's contribution is ``significant'' enough for a credit in the
> documentation (as opposed to the CVS logs).  That way lies madness.

	Agreed on both counts. 
 
> Perhaps a workable solution would be an "acknowledgements" block at the
> start of the Handbook (and/or FAQ), something like:
> 
>     The FreeBSD Documentation Project would like to acknowledge the work
>     of the following individuals.
> 
>       *  John Fieber, Documentation Project Manager, 1995-98
> 
>       *  Jun Kuriyama, principle liason, Japanese translation team
> 
>       *  Sean Kelly, author of much of the material in the _Printing_
>          chapter
> 
> and so on, and so forth, with no ``in chapter'' credits.

	My personal preference would be that the credit show up along with the
work. However, in order to avoid the insanity in points three and four
above, I'd say that this would be an acceptable compromise if the weight
of opinion goes against keeping the credit in the chapter. 

	There is another factor which should be considered. Part of the project
that doesn't get a lot of attention is the management of volunteers. For
all the noble thoughts, there is still an element of value for someone
doing the scut work to see their "name in lights," so to speak. Taking
credit away from those who deserve it would be a terrible shame, as well
as being a horrible message to send to our valuable volunteers. 

Doug
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I am not a writer but subscribe to this list to keep abreast of new
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I have written a short tutorial for adding true type fonts to
FreeBSD/XFree86.  I feel this might be a good addition to the
existent but somewhat outdated fonts tutorial.  As I said I am not a
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I would be happy to forward the file to anyone having time to do the
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On Sun, May 07, 2000 at 10:17:27PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
> Nik Clayton wrote:
> 
> 	My personal preference would be that the credit show up along with the
> work. However, in order to avoid the insanity in points three and four
> above, I'd say that this would be an acceptable compromise if the weight
> of opinion goes against keeping the credit in the chapter. 

How about using man pages as an example.  Most of our added on
utilities w/man pages include a AUTHORS section which credits
the person who wrote the utility, and sometimes the actual author
of the manual page (if different than the person who wrote the utility).

I know I was a little annoyed when I noticed my credit on the
quota section of the handbook was removed, even though it looks 
like it is still at least 90% of my original text.  I then did
a little checking to see if we just weren't doing that in the
handbook anymore (I haven't done anything with the handbook in a long
time, so I wasn't sure), but found that some sections still had the 
original credits, and some didn't.

-Mike
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Dear FreeBSD doc'ers,

I was wondering whether the following suggestion was worth including
in the handbook (and/or somewhere else).

A few questions in ...-questions seem to indicate that a good number
of people are missing this "fine point" -- albeit it IS described in
the cvsup man pages, maybe in a somehow "embedded" form.  Some
information (and examples) on this issue can be found in the FAQs at
http://www.polstra.com , ie on the site of the author of cvsup.




<SUGGESTION>

Why not add e.g. to the chapter section on cvsup several examples
concerning the list=3Dcvs:<appropriate_tag> trick ?

It might help people (to) correctly tag their cvsup files when
updating their sources for the **first** time, or  when  **switching**
from one Release to another -- e.g. when updating the 4-0 sources to
-CURRENT for the first time.

Thus, the checkouts file would be correctly created (or adopted if
existing) by cvsup, its information being useful for this first
update; also, NO file deletions would be omitted, and source trees
would be correctly managed in this delicate transition.

--------------------------- EXAMPLE I -------------------------------

file "standard-supfile_first-time" (to be used only for the **first**
update from 4.0-R to -CURRENT):

[...]
src-all tag=3DRELENG_4_0_0_RELEASE list=3Dcvs:.  (and the period after
"cvs:" is essential.)

REMARK
The first update operation will not update anything per se;
rather, it will generate the correct checkouts file.



--------------------------- EXAMPLE II ------------------------------

file 4.x-stable-supfile_first-time (to be used only for the **first**
update from 4.0-R to 4.0-S):

[...]
src-all tag=3DRELENG_4_0_0_RELEASE list=3Dcvs:RELENG_4

REMARK
The first "update" operation will NOT change your sources; it
will only generate the correct checkouts file.


=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=
=A7=A7=A7 GENERAL CASE =A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=
=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7=A7

First-time update supfile:

[...]
src-all tag=3DTAG_OF_WHAT_I_HAVE list=3Dcvs:TAG_OF_WHAT_I_WANT
cvs-crypto tag=3DTAG_OF_WHAT_I_HAVE list=3Dcvs:TAG_OF_WHAT_I_WANT

-------------------------- EXAMPLE III ------------------------------

First time update when going from 4-S to -CURRENT:

TAG_OF_WHAT_I_HAVE=3DRELENG_4, TAG_OF_WHAT_I_WANT=3D.  (and the period i=
s
essential.)

REMARK
Probably, in *such* cases (transition from a given -STABLE to
-CURRENT), simply renaming the (existing) checkouts file does the job.
I haven't actually tried this myself, though; I might just be missing
another fine point in the fine point ...


</SUGGESTION>




I hope that this information will somehow help, and that I have missed
NO fine point(s) myself (!!) :-)

Best regards,
Salvo





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On Sun, 07 May 2000 16:17:39 +0200, Alexander Langer wrote:

> This needs to be compiled into the kernel, modules compile faster than
> new kernels :-P
> 
> But, this could be documented as well.

Only if someone sent in a patch.  *nudge*

While you're deciding which document to patch, you may notice that
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	http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/kerneldebug.html

If you'd like to work on that documentation, your patches would almost
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Nik Clayton wrote:
> 
> [ FU to -doc ]
> 
> On Sat, May 06, 2000 at 01:11:21PM +0100, Paul Richards wrote:
> > Wes Peters wrote:
> > > Plus, this way we could load a fontset that has an "o" character for
> > > Canadian and American English and an "ou" character for UK and Aussie
> > > English and finally! use a consistent "flavour" of the word "color" in
> > > our documentation.
> >
> > We could do that in the SGML anyway, create an entity that was &ou; and
> > depending on the language mapping produce a "o" or a "ou", I guess you
> > could create &sz; as well and use it similarly.
> 
> NO.
> 
> [ OK, I know, you're joking, but there's a reason why the "English" docs
>   are in en_US.ISO_8859-1.  If we started using British spellings, those
>   docs would go in en_GB.ISO_8859-1. . . ]
> 
> How inconsistent are we?  A grep for "colour" in the Handbook shows no
> matches, and one for "flavour" shows one match.

Calm, Nik, calm.  I was just poking fun at the Brits (and Aussies).
Paul was pushing the joke back at me, I suppose.

"You guys sure talk funny, can't you speak English?"  ;^)

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>Number:         18451
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       extra reference in man page
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Mon May 08 10:00:00 PDT 2000
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>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Michael W Lucas
>Release:        FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386
>Organization:
>Environment:

found on 5.0-current, 4.0-stable, 3.0-stable
does not appear to exist in 2.2.8-stable

>Description:

The man page for amd says "see also... automount(8)".  There is no
such man page.

>How-To-Repeat:

man amd
man automount

>Fix:

Delete the reference to automount(8) in man (8) amd in 5.0, 4.0, and 3.0.

Man, this is trivial.

>Release-Note:
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> Only if someone sent in a patch.  *nudge*

It's on my TODO list now :-)

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Alexander Langer writes:
> > As opposed to pressing ctrl-alt-esc to get into DDB, then typing 'panic'?

Or "sysctl -w debug.enter_debugger=ddb" and then typing 'panic' :-)

-Archie

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> > > As opposed to pressing ctrl-alt-esc to get into DDB, then typing 'panic'?
> Or "sysctl -w debug.enter_debugger=ddb" and then typing 'panic' :-)

Is that already implemented?
At least not on my kernel :-)

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On Mon, 8 May 2000, Alexander Langer wrote:

> Thus spake Archie Cobbs (archie@whistle.com):
> 
> > > > As opposed to pressing ctrl-alt-esc to get into DDB, then typing 'panic'?
> > Or "sysctl -w debug.enter_debugger=ddb" and then typing 'panic' :-)
> 
> Is that already implemented?
> At least not on my kernel :-)
> 

Well, it requires 4.x or 5.x, and DDB in the kernel...

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When I try to get the 4.0 fixit.flp it takes me to a /pub dir instead of
promptin me for a download.  The other .flp images download just fine.=20
Here is the dir I am referencing:

ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.0-RELEASE/floppies/

Go here, in a browser, and try to download the fixit.flp.  I could not =
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On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 03:31:48AM -0400, Jim Weeks scribbled:
| I have written a short tutorial for adding true type fonts to
| FreeBSD/XFree86.  I feel this might be a good addition to the
| existent but somewhat outdated fonts tutorial.  As I said I am not a
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Hi,

There seems to be an error in either the documentation or in 
the include files.

I was compiling GNOME from sources myself and had to fix
zvt/subshell.c to explicitely include <machine/param.h>

The problem lay in the use of the CMSG_DATA() macro, which
is not documented. The recvmsg() function, which receives
the message data on which the macro operates, is documented,
but it doesn't mention including <machine/param.h> either.

So what should be fixed? The documentation or the include
files?

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On Tue, 09 May 2000 08:38:47 +0200, Marc van Kempen wrote:

> The problem lay in the use of the CMSG_DATA() macro, which
> is not documented. The recvmsg() function, which receives
> the message data on which the macro operates, is documented,
> but it doesn't mention including <machine/param.h> either.

Um, what happens when you include <sys/types.h> and <sys/socket.h> as
directed by the documentation?

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> 
> 
> On Tue, 09 May 2000 08:38:47 +0200, Marc van Kempen wrote:
> 
> > The problem lay in the use of the CMSG_DATA() macro, which
> > is not documented. The recvmsg() function, which receives
> > the message data on which the macro operates, is documented,
> > but it doesn't mention including <machine/param.h> either.
> 
> Um, what happens when you include <sys/types.h> and <sys/socket.h> as
> directed by the documentation?
> 
Not much, those two files were included already and apparently don't
pickup <machine/param.h>

Marc.

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>Number:         18464
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       announce freshports site in newsflash
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          change-request
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Tue May 09 03:50:04 PDT 2000
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Dan Langille
>Release:        FreeBSD 4.0-S
>Organization:
freebsdiary.org
>Environment:
>Description:
freshports.org deals with newly changed/released ports.  time to let everyone know about it.
>How-To-Repeat:

>Fix:
[dan@buff:~/news] $ diff -ru newsflash.sgml.original newsflash.sgml
--- newsflash.sgml.original     Tue May  9 22:40:48 2000
+++ newsflash.sgml      Tue May  9 22:45:13 2000
@@ -28,6 +28,13 @@
       see the <strong><a href="&base/releases/index.html">Release
       Information</a></strong> page.</p>
 
+    <h2>May 2000</h2>
+    <ul>
+      <li><p><b>9-May-2000</b> <a href="http://freshports.org/">freshports</a>: 
+            similar in nature to freshmeat, this site deals exclusively with ports.
+            Create your own watch lists for your favourite ports.</p></li>
+    </ul>
+
     <h2>April 2000</h2>
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>Number:         18465
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       Name section of ntptrace.8 is broken.
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Tue May 09 04:30:00 PDT 2000
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Kazu TAKAMUNE
>Release:        FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386
>Organization:
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>Environment:

.\" $FreeBSD: src/usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntptrace.8,v 1.1 2000/01/12 14:41:00 sheldonh Exp $

>Description:

`% man 8 ntptrace' shows followings.  NAME section is broken.

NAME
     ntptrace - trace a chain of NTP servers back to the

Macros accept up to nine arguments...

>How-To-Repeat:

% man 8 ntptrace

>Fix:
Index: usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntptrace.8
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntptrace.8,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -u -r1.1 ntptrace.8
--- usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntptrace.8	2000/01/12 14:41:00	1.1
+++ usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntptrace.8	2000/05/09 11:00:00
@@ -6,7 +6,7 @@
 .Os
 .Sh NAME
 .Nm ntptrace
-.Nd trace a chain of NTP servers back to the primary source
+.Nd "trace a chain of NTP servers back to the primary source"
 .Sh SYNOPSIS
 .Nm ntptrace
 .Op Fl vdn

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Synopsis: Name section of ntptrace.8 is broken.

Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->sheldonh
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>Number:         18467
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       Simple typo in man page
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
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>Arrival-Date:   Tue May 09 09:10:00 PDT 2000
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Alexander Kabaev
>Release:        FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386
>Organization:
>Environment:

   -CURRENT as of May 8th	

>Description:

   dispatching spelled as despatching in man page	

>How-To-Repeat:

   man kobj

>Fix:


--- kobj.9	Wed Apr 26 05:38:50 2000
+++ kobj.9.new	Tue May  9 12:02:47 2000
@@ -99,7 +99,7 @@
 .Fn kobj_class_compile
 and
 .Fn kobj_class_free
-are used to process a class description to make method despatching
+are used to process a class description to make method dispatching
 efficient.
 A client should not normally need to call these since a class
 will automatically be compiled the first time it is used.

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>Number:         18468
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       VFS(9) is out of date with respect to a sourcename.
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
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>Originator:     Anatoly Vorobey
>Release:        FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386
>Organization:
>Environment:

5.0-CURRENT

>Description:

Please see the fix, which speaks for itself.

>How-To-Repeat:


>Fix:

Index: VFS.9
===================================================================
RCS file: /freebsd/cvs/src/share/man/man9/VFS.9,v
retrieving revision 1.4
diff -u -r1.4 VFS.9
--- VFS.9	1999/09/11 00:57:20	1.4
+++ VFS.9	2000/05/09 19:37:23
@@ -40,7 +40,7 @@
 Filesytems that don't implement a VFS operation should use the appropriate
 .Fa vfs_std
 function from
-.Fa src/sys/vfs_defaults.c 
+.Fa src/sys/kern/vfs_default.c 
 rather than implementing empty functions or casting to
 .Fa eopnotsupp .
 .Sh SEE ALSO



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>Number:         18469
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       A typo fix
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>Environment:

5.0-CURRENT

>Description:

If you look into the diff,
You'll see the problem in a jiff-
y.

Oh well.

>How-To-Repeat:


>Fix:

Index: devfs_add_devswf.9
===================================================================
RCS file: /freebsd/cvs/src/share/man/man9/devfs_add_devswf.9,v
retrieving revision 1.9
diff -u -r1.9 devfs_add_devswf.9
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@@ -42,7 +42,7 @@
 The call that adds an entry into devfs is
 .Nm devfs_add_devswf .
 .Pp
-It's arguments are:
+Its arguments are:
 .Bl -tag -width 8X
 .It Ar devsw
 the address of the devsw entry the name should access


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Synopsis: A typo fix

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Typo smashed in CURRENT and 4.0, thanks.


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The following reply was made to PR docs/18467; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: Mike Pritchard <mpp@mppsystems.com>
To: ak03@gte.com
Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: docs/18467: Small type in kobj man page
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:37:46 -0500

 On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 12:05:39PM -0400, ak03@gte.com wrote:
 > >Number:         18467
 > >Category:       docs
 > >Synopsis:       Simple typo in man page
 > >Description:
 > 
 >    dispatching spelled as despatching in man page	
 > 
 > >How-To-Repeat:
 > 
 >    man kobj
 
 From "dict despatch":
 
 From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:
 
   Despatch \De*spatch"\, n. & v.
      Same as {Dispatch}.
 
   Dispatch \Dis*patch"\, n. [Cf. OF. despeche, F. d['e]p[^e]che.
      See {Dispatch}, v. t.] [Written also {despatch}.]
 
 
 Looks like this spelling is fine.
 
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Synopsis: VFS(9) is out of date with respect to a sourcename.

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The following reply was made to PR docs/18467; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: "Alexander N. Kabaev" <ak03@gte.com>
To: Mike Pritchard <mpp@mppsystems.com>
Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: docs/18467: Small type in kobj man page
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 14:43:14 -0400 (EDT)

 Yes, but is it fine to use both spellings on the same page? I still believe
 that 'despatch' should be changed to dispatch to be consistent with the rest
 of the page.
 
 On 09-May-00 Mike Pritchard wrote:
 > On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 12:05:39PM -0400, ak03@gte.com wrote:
 >> >Number:         18467
 >> >Category:       docs
 >> >Synopsis:       Simple typo in man page
 >> >Description:
 >> 
 >>    dispatching spelled as despatching in man page    
 >> 
 >> >How-To-Repeat:
 >> 
 >>    man kobj
 > 
 >>From "dict despatch":
 > 
 >>From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:
 > 
 >   Despatch \De*spatch"\, n. & v.
 >      Same as {Dispatch}.
 > 
 >   Dispatch \Dis*patch"\, n. [Cf. OF. despeche, F. d['e]p[^e]che.
 >      See {Dispatch}, v. t.] [Written also {despatch}.]
 > 
 > 
 > Looks like this spelling is fine.
 > 
 > -Mike
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 > mpp@FreeBSD.org or mpp@mppsystems.com
 
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Synopsis: Simple typo in man page

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Subject: Re: docs/18467: Small type in kobj man page
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:50:28 -0500

 On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 02:43:14PM -0400, Alexander N. Kabaev wrote:
 > Yes, but is it fine to use both spellings on the same page? I still believe
 > that 'despatch' should be changed to dispatch to be consistent with the rest
 > of the page.
 
 It should be consistent (I didn't look to see if it was using
 both spellings).  I'll go fix it right now.  Thanks.
 
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Hi gang,

Well, it's been a busy month or so, but I think I've just about got
prototyped a reasonable scheme for including images in our documentation
set.  And the toolchain seems to be coming along well too.

The Basic Idea
--------------

We need to be able to include images in our documentation.  Diagrams,
screenshots, pictures of me doing a Peter Norton impression on the front
cover of the Handbook. . . but I digress.

There are a number of problems that have to be solved before this is 
feasible.

  *  Can we include images in our output formats?  Recall that our 'main'
     output formats are HTML, PS, PDF, and RTF.  All the other formats are
     generated from one of these.  So if we can't put images in all four
     formats we'll have problems.

  *  How do we reference the images from our documents?  We need a 
     DocBook-sanctioned mechanism for referring to individual images.

  *  What formats should the images be stored in, in the CVS repository?

  *  How do we convert images from one format to another?  We certainly
     don't want to have to carry around multiple copies of the same image
     in the repository if we can help it.

  *  How do we share images among languages?  I expect that at least some
     screenshots and diagrams will be language neutral.

Images in output formats
------------------------

Fortunately, this bit's relatively easy.  HTML, PS, PDF, and RTF all have
mechanisms for including images.  Sadly, they all use different formats,
based on the tools we're using.

  HTML             GIF, JPEG, PNG (becoming more widespread)

  PS               EPS

  PDF              PNG

  RTF              BMP

As you can see, that's a multitude of bitmap formats, and one vector
format (EPS).

Images in DocBook
-----------------

Including (or referring to) images using DocBook markup is a little more
complicated.

The basic idea (and I'm simplifying a bit here) is that you have a 
<mediaobject>, which contains one or more <imageobject>s.  Each <imageobject> 
is supposed to refer to the same image, but in different formats.

For example, suppose you have

    <mediaobject>
      <imageobject>
	<imagedata fileref="test.gif" format="gif">
      </imageobject>
    </mediaobject>

If you convert a document containing that fragment to HTML everything works
fine, as GIF is a format usable with HTML.  However, if you try and produce
a PS document you get a blank space.  The solution is to use

    <mediaobject>
      <!-- For the HTML output -->
      <imageobject>
	<imagedata fileref="test.gif" format="gif">
      </imageobject>

      <!-- For the PS output -->
      <imageobject>
        <imagedata fileref="test.eps" format="eps">
      </imageobject>

      <!-- For the PDF output -->
      <imageobject>
	<imagedata fileref="test.png" format="png">
      </imageobject>

      <!-- Skipped RTF for the time being -->
    </mediaobject>

The stylesheets are then supposed to take note of the output format
and only use the appropriate <imageobject>.

Sadly, it doesn't work like that with our current toolset.

If you look at how our stylesheets work, we have one set for HTML output,
and one set for print output.  And the PS and PDF versions are currently
all produced from the same .tex file.

This means that when the stylesheets are producing the .tex file, they
don't know which one of the <imageobject>s to include (i.e., they can't
decide whether to use the EPS one or the PDF one).

Being blunt, this is a pain in the arse.  We've got to resort to some 
SGML tricks to work around it.

So, this is what I think we're going to have to do.

 1.  Create some new parameter entities in freebsd.dtd, 

	 %output.ps;
	 %output.pdf;

     These are analogous to %output.html; and %output.print; which we
     already have.

 2.  Use these parameter entities when including images.  For example:

     <mediaobject>
       <imageobject>
	 <imagedata fileref="test.gif" format="gif">
       </imageobject>

       <![ %output.ps; [
       <imageobject>
	 <imagedata fileref="test.eps" format="eps">
       </imageobject>
       ]]>

       <![ %output.pdf; [
       <imageobject>
	 <imagedata fileref="test.pdf" format="pdf">
       </imageoject>
       ]]>

     To anticipate some questions:

       a)  Why don't you wrap the GIF image in %output.html; in the same
	   way?

	   Because there's no need.  DocBook is supposed to allow multiple
	   <imageobject>s, we're working around a problem with the 
	   stylesheets, not DocBook per se.

       b)  Why not do

	   <imageobject>
	     <![ %output.ps [ <imagedata fileref="test.eps" format="eps">]]>
	     <![ %output.pdf [ <imagedata fileref="test.png" format="png">]]>
	   </imageobject>

	   ?

	   Won't work.  When both of them are set to "IGNORE" we'll have an
	   invalid document.  I don't want to put %output.html; in there
	   for the same reason as in (a).  When the stylesheets support
	   things the way they're supposed to be, my earlier proposal can
	   be pulled out of the tree with the minimum of fuss (delete 4
	   lines in each <mediaobject>) whereas the approach above would
	   involve adding text as well.  I'd rather we did it as correctly
	   as possible the first time around.

 3.  Change the way we produce .tex files in doc.docbook.mk.  Currently
     .dvi and .pdf both depend on the .tex file.  We're going to need to
     change that, so that .dvi depends on .tex-ps, and .pdf depends on
     .tex-pdf (those .tex-foo names are examples, I'm up for alternatives).

     Then duplicate the existing .tex file to give us a .tex-ps and .tex-pdf
     rule.  The body of these rules will have to use "-ioutput.ps" or 
     "-ioutput.pdf" as appropriate.

Make sense?

Our make(1) framework's going to need some work as well.  We're going to
need a way to specify all the images used by a document, so that 
dependencies are calculated correctly.  We also need a way to install
images in the right place.

When the Handbook was broken up in to a <directory>/chapter.sgml files, the
idea was that we could put the images used in each chapter in the chapter's
directory.  This means we don't have to come up with unique names for each
image across the whole document.

However, it also brings up a conundrum.  At the moment we just install
the formatted output in to one directory.  We could stick with that,
and install all the images used by the document in to the same directory
as well.  But if we do that than we'll still need to ensure that the 
image names are unique across the entire document (this was discussed
briefly on -doc are few months back).  

So I think the install process will need to create subdirectories under
the main install directory to hold the images.  This has implications for
the various install targets, as well as the package target.

I haven't looked too deeply at these yet.  Anyone want to volunteer?  I
know pretty much how I'll do it, but I need to sit down and actually
write the code.

Image formats in the repository
-------------------------------

My preference is to store images in EPS and PNG formats in the repository,
but *not* both at the same time.  If it's a vector image (like a network
diagram, for example) then it gets stored in EPS.  If it's a bitmap then
we can use PNG.

PNG is (IMHO) better than the other bitmap formats.  It doesn't have the
licensing implications of GIF, it's not lossy, like JPEG, and it's not
bloated the way most BMP implementations are.

EPS is a de facto standard for vector graphics anyway, so I think that's
pretty much a no-brainer.

However, there is one wrinkle.  I don't know of any graphics packages
we can use that will let you edit EPS images. So I'm going to suggest
that we use "dia" (a free Visio clone) as the source format for our
vector images.  Instead of storing EPS files in the repository we would
store the dia files, and generate the EPS from them at build time.

I'm not completely wedded to the idea (we could use transfig, for example) 
but after using dia for the past couple of weeks on other projects it's 
certainly grown on me.

This has implications for the software needed to build the docs, of which
more in the next section.

Converting images from one format to another
--------------------------------------------

Because I don't think we want to store each image in multiple formats
in the repo, we need a way to convert between formats at build time.

I've been playing with ImageMagick over the past couple of weeks, and
after being a die-hard NetPBM user for the past few years I'm pretty
much converted.

However it, and dia (see previous section), are not small applications,
and have an extensive set of dependencies required in order to build them.
This would have a big impact on the resources required to build the docs,
and I'm uneasy about requiring people to have them.

OTOH, I definitely don't want to store more images in the repository than
we absolutely have to.

So, can anyone recommend any other command line converters we can use,
and/or easy to diagram editors with an output format that can be converted
to EPS?

Sharing images among languages
------------------------------

We may want to share images among languages.  I haven't given this a great
deal of thought yet (it only occured to me a few hours ago).  I suspect
the simplest way to do this is to have targets in the language Makefiles
that symlink images in from the English directory structure.

The downside is that it means the other languages will need the English
hierarchy checked out to build their docs (assuming we end up sharing
images in this way).

The upside is that it's simple.  The only other idea I had was to have
a doc/images directory (or similar), with appropriate subdirectories,
to contain the shared images.  I'm uneasy about this, as I foresee a
future filled with requests for repository copies as images that we 
thought were language specific become language neutral.

The other upside is that the other languages don't need to create images
at the same time as the English docs do.  They can link to the English
images immediately, and then add replacement images to their own 
language directories later, when they've been done.

Thoughts?

N
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 On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 12:50:56PM -0400, mwlucas@gltg.com wrote:
 
 > Delete the reference to automount(8) in man (8) amd in 5.0, 4.0, and 3.0.
 > 
 > Man, this is trivial.
 
 >Number:         15259
 >Category:       docs
 >Synopsis:       amd(8) refers to nonexistent automount(8)
 
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 > On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 12:50:56PM -0400, mwlucas@gltg.com wrote:
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 > > Delete the reference to automount(8) in man (8) amd in 5.0, 4.0, and 3.0.
 > > 
 > > Man, this is trivial.
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 > >Number:         15259
 > >Category:       docs
 > >Synopsis:       amd(8) refers to nonexistent automount(8)
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>Number:         18477
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       [PATCH] Several updates to the FAQ are included
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Tue May 09 20:00:00 PDT 2000
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Eric Ogren
>Release:        FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386
>Organization:
>Environment:

 FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE, doc repository CVSup'd this morning.

>Description:

 This patch includes various updates to the FAQ:
 
 * Minor grammar nits
 * Updated FAQ to show that snapshots are made for both -CURRENT and
-STABLE
 * 3-STABLE snapshots are no longer being produced (as far as I can tell)
 * There are still a couple of places that say "4.0 will be released
in...". Fix those.
 * 2.x releases are no longer available on ftp.FreeBSD.org
 * Snapshots are made daily; not every once in a while
 * Change some entries from "FreeBSD 2.2.x" to simply "FreeBSD" (ie,
"FreeBSD 2.2.x is based on 4.4BSD-Lite -> FreeBSD is based on...)
 * For those who want to mirror the website, we now provide an example
supfile. Tell them to use this.
 * Users can no longer use rsync to monitor the website [at least the
webpage the FAQ points to no longer includes it as an option]
 * Ask potential translators to contact freebsd-doc before beginning, just
in case there is already an existing trans. team
 * Add notices that bad144 has been nuked in FreeBSD 4.0
 * Remove the "if I have > 16MB of RAM, will there be performance
issues?" entry, since a) this question is incredibly and old and b) the
majority  of machines nowadays have > 16MB of RAM
 * Update a couple of places that told the user to edit /etc/sysconfig
 * Tell FBSD 3.1 and later users to put shell scripts in /usr/local/etc
instead of editing /rc/local
 * Some kernel options have changed between 3.X and 4.0; make a note of
this
 * SYSV stuff is now in GENERIC, note this.
 * Tell user to look in /sys/i386/conf/LINT for SMP options instead of
just saying "Yes we support it."
 * Change the "Windows95 + FreeBSD connect to the Internet?" question,
since the best way to do this is to run ppp -nat, instead of kernel ppp +
natd.
 * Remove 8 or 10 lines of gratuitous(sp?) whitespace
 * Put a note at the beginning of the a.out/ELF question that FreeBSD uses
ELF now; before, you had to scroll down a couple of pages before you saw
this.

  There is still a lot of 2.x cruft in the FAQ, but this should clear up
at least some of it.

>How-To-Repeat:

 n/a

>Fix:

Index: book.sgml
===================================================================
RCS file: /usr/local/doctree/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml,v
retrieving revision 1.54
diff -u -r1.54 book.sgml
--- book.sgml	2000/05/07 16:48:51	1.54
+++ book.sgml	2000/05/10 02:43:42
@@ -205,10 +205,11 @@
 	    -CURRENT mailing list are sometimes treated with
 	    contempt.</para>
 
-	  <para>Every now and again, a <ulink
-	    URL="../releases/snapshots.html">snapshot</ulink> release is
-	    also made of this -CURRENT development code, CDROM
-	    distributions of the occasional snapshot even now being made
+	  <para>Every day,  <ulink
+	    URL="../releases/snapshots.html">snapshot</ulink> releases are
+	    made based on the current state of the -CURRENT and
+	    -STABLE branches. Nowadays, 
+	    distributions of the occasional snapshot are now being made
 	    available. The goals behind each snapshot release are:</para>
 
 	  <itemizedlist>
@@ -218,7 +219,8 @@
 	    </listitem>
 
 	    <listitem>
-	      <para>To give people who would like to run -CURRENT but who
+	      <para>To give people who would like to run -CURRENT or
+	      -STABLE but who
 	        don't have the time and/or bandwidth to follow it on a
 		day-to-day basis an easy way of bootstrapping it onto
 		their systems.</para>
@@ -238,10 +240,11 @@
 	    </listitem>
 	  </itemizedlist>
 
-	  <para>No claims are made that any snapshot can be considered
-	    ``production quality'' for any purpose.  For stability and
-	    tested mettle, you will have to stick to full
-	    releases.</para>
+	  <para>No claims are made that any -CURRENT snapshot can be considered
+	    &ldquo;production quality&rdquo; for any purpose.  
+	    If you want to run a stable and
+	    fully tested system, you will have to stick to full
+	    releases, or use the -STABLE snaphosts.</para>
 
 	  <para>Snapshot releases are directly available from <ulink
 	    URL="ftp://current.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/">
@@ -249,10 +252,10 @@
 	    for 5.0-CURRENT and
 	    <ulink url="ftp://releng4.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD">
 	    releng4.FreeBSD.org</ulink> for 4-STABLE snapshots.
-	    3-STABLE snapshots can be found at
-	    <ulink url="releng3.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD">
-	    releng3.FreeBSD.org.</ulink>
-	    Snapshots are generated, on the average, once a day for
+	    3-STABLE snapshots are not being produced at the time of
+	    this writing (May 2000).</para> 
+	   
+	    <para>Snapshots are generated, on the average, once a day for
 	    all actively developed branches.</para>
 	</answer>
       </qandaentry>
@@ -310,8 +313,12 @@
 	    beyond, the previous 2.2-STABLE branch having been retired
 	    with the release of 2.2.8.  3.4-STABLE has now replaced it,
 	    with 3.4-RELEASE being released in mid-December 1999.
-	    4.0-RELEASE released at mid-March 2000 and going to replace
-	    3.X branch at summer 2000.  5.0-CURRENT is now the "current
+	    4.0-RELEASE was released in March 2000. Although 4-STABLE
+	    is the actively developed -STABLE branch, bugfixes are
+	    still being committed to 3-STABLE. It is expected that the 
+	    3.X branch will be officially obsoleted some time in
+	    summer 2000.
+	    5.0-CURRENT is now the "current
 	    branch", with the no release date planed.</para>
 	</answer>
       </qandaentry>
@@ -335,9 +342,8 @@
 	  <para>Releases are made about every 4 months on average.</para>
 
 	  <para>For people needing (or wanting) a little more excitement,
-	    there are SNAPs released more frequently, particularly during
-	    the month or so leading up to a release.</para>
-	</answer>
+	    binary snapshots are made every day... see above.</para>
+	 </answer>
       </qandaentry>
 
       <qandaentry>
@@ -393,12 +399,6 @@
 
 	  <itemizedlist>
 	    <listitem>
-	      <para>For the current 2.2-STABLE release, 2.2.8R, see the
-	      <ulink URL="ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/2.2.8-RELEASE/">2.2.8-RELEASE</ulink>
-	      directory.</para>
-	    </listitem>
-
-	    <listitem>
 	      <para>For the current 3.X-STABLE release, 3.4-RELEASE, see
 	        the <ulink
 		URL="ftp://current.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/3.4-RELEASE/">3.4-RELEASE</ulink>
@@ -406,23 +406,15 @@
 	    </listitem>
 	    <listitem>
 	      <para>The current 4.X-STABLE release, 4.0-RELEASE can be
-	      found in <ulink
+	      found in the <ulink
 	      url="ftp://current.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.0-RELEASE"> the 4.0-RELEASE</ulink> directory.</para>
 	      </listitem>
 
 	    <listitem>
 	      <para><ulink
-	      URL="ftp://releng3.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/">3.X Snapshot</ulink>
-	      releases are also made once a day along the RELENG_3 branch
-	      (post 3.0-RELEASE) as it continues on its way towards
-	      3.5-RELEASE.</para>
-	    </listitem>
-
-	    <listitem>
-	      <para><ulink
 	      url="ftp://releng4.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/">4.X
-	      snapshots</ulink> are made once a day as well.</para>
-	     </listitem>
+	      snapshots</ulink> are usually made once a day.</para>
+	    </listitem>
 
 	    <listitem>
 	      <para><ulink
@@ -570,18 +562,18 @@
 
 	<answer>
 	  <para>There is a FreeBSD Documentation Project which you may
-	    contact (or even better, join) on the <emphasis
-	    remap=tt>doc</emphasis> mailing list:  <ulink
+	    contact (or even better, join) at the <emphasis
+	    remap=tt>freebsd-doc</emphasis> mailing list:  <ulink
 	    URL="mailto:freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org">&lt;freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org&gt;</ulink>.
 	    This list is for discussion of the FreeBSD documentation.  For
 	    actual questions about FreeBSD, there is the <emphasis
-	    remap=tt>questions</emphasis> mailing list: <ulink
+	    remap=tt>freebsd-questions</emphasis> mailing list: <ulink
 	    URL="mailto:freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org">&lt;freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org&gt;</ulink>.</para>
 
 	  <para>A FreeBSD ``handbook'' is available, and can be found as:
 	    <ulink URL="../handbook/index.html">the FreeBSD
-	    Handbook</ulink>.  Note that this is a work in progress, and
-	    so parts may be incomplete.</para>
+	    Handbook</ulink>.  Note that this is a work in progress;
+	    some parts may be incomplete or out-of-date.</para>
 
 	  <para>The definitive printed guide on FreeBSD is ``The Complete
 	    FreeBSD'', written by Greg Lehey and published by Walnut Creek
@@ -593,9 +585,9 @@
 	    URL="http://www.cheapbytes.com">CheapBytes</ulink>, or at your
 	    favorite bookstore.  The ISBN is 1-57176-227-2.</para>
 
-	  <para>However, as FreeBSD 2.2.X is based upon Berkeley
+	  <para>Since FreeBSD is based upon Berkeley
 	    4.4BSD-Lite2, most of the 4.4BSD manuals are applicable to
-	    FreeBSD 2.2.X.  O'Reilly and Associates publishes these
+	    FreeBSD.  O'Reilly and Associates publishes the following
 	    manuals:</para>
 
 	  <itemizedlist>
@@ -816,22 +808,17 @@
 
 	  <itemizedlist>
 	    <listitem>
-	      <para>Using CVSUP:  You can retrieve the formatted files
-	        using CVSUP from cvsup.FreeBSD.org.  Add this line to
-		your cvsup file:
-
-	    <literallayout>
-www release=current hostname=/home base=/usr/local/etc/cvsup
-prefix=/usr/local/www/data/www.FreeBSD.org delete old use-rel-suffix</literallayout></para>
+	      <para>Using <application>CVSup</application>:  
+	      You can retrieve the formatted files
+	        using <application>CVSup</application>, and connecting
+		to a <application>CVSup</application> server.</para>
+		<para>To retrieve the webpages, please look at the example
+		supfile, which can be found in 
+		<filename>/usr/share/examples/cvsup/www-supfile</filename>.
+		</para>
 	    </listitem>
 
 	    <listitem>
-	      <para>Using rsync:  See <ulink
-	        URL="http://www.FreeBSD.org/internal/mirror.html">the
-	        mirroring page</ulink> for information.</para>
-	    </listitem>
-
-	    <listitem>
 	      <para>Using ftp mirror:  You can download the FTP server's
 	        copy of the web site sources using your favorite ftp mirror
 		tool.  Keep in mind that you have to build these sources before
@@ -851,7 +838,14 @@
 	<answer>
 	  <para>Well, we can't pay, but we might arrange a free CD or
 	    T-shirt and a Contributor's Handbook entry if you submit a
-	    translation of the documentation.</para>
+	    translation of the documentation. Before you begin translating
+	    please contact the
+	    <emphasis>freebsd-doc</emphasis> mailing list at
+	    <email>freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org</email>; you may find
+	    somebody to help with the translation effort. You may also
+	    find out there is already
+	    a team translating the docs into your chosen language,
+	    who surely wouldn't turn down your help. </para>
 	</answer>
       </qandaentry>
 
@@ -1156,12 +1150,18 @@
 <qandaentry><question>
 <para>Can I install on a disk with bad blocks?</para></question><answer>
 
-<para>FreeBSD's bad block (the <ulink URL="http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?bad144">bad144</ulink>
-command) handling is still not 100% (to put it charitably) and
-it must unfortunately be said that if you've got an IDE or ESDI drive
-with lots of bad blocks, then FreeBSD is probably not for you!
-That said, it does work on thousands of IDE based systems, so
-you'd do well to try it first before simply giving up.</para>
+<para>Prior to 3.0, FreeBSD included a utility known as
+<command>bad144</command>, which automatically remapped bad
+blocks. Because modern IDE drives perform this function themselves,
+<command>bad144</command> has been removed from the FreeBSD source
+tree. If you wish to install FreeBSD 3.0 or later, we strongly suggest
+you purchase a newer disk drive. If you do not wish to do this, you
+must run FreeBSD 2.x.</para>
+<para>If you are seeing bad block errors with a modern IDE drive,
+chances are the drive is going to die very soon (the drive's internal
+remapping functions are no longer sufficient to fix the bad blocks,
+which means the disk is heavily corrupted); we suggest you by a
+new hard drive.</para>
 
 <para>If you have a SCSI drive with bad blocks, see <link linkend="awre">this answer</link>.</para>
 
@@ -1193,9 +1193,9 @@
 </listitem>
 
 <listitem>
-<para>If you're using one of these new-fangled operating systems
-like Windows95 or Windows NT, did you shut it down and restart
-the system in plain, honest DOS?  It seems these OS's can
+<para>If you're using 
+Windows95 or Win98 did you run <command>fdimage</command> or
+<command>rawrite</command> in pure DOS mode? These OS's can
 interfere with programs that write directly to hardware, which
 the disk creation program does; even running it inside a DOS
 shell in the GUI can cause this problem.</para>
@@ -1462,23 +1462,6 @@
 
 </answer></qandaentry>
 
-<qandaentry><question
-id="bigram">
-<para>        I have &gt;16MB of RAM. Will this cause any problems?
-      </para></question><answer>
-
-<para>Apart from performance issues, no.  FreeBSD 2.X comes with bounce
-buffers which allow your bus mastering controller access to greater
-than 16MB. (Note that this should only be required if you are using
-ISA devices, although one or two broken EISA and VLB devices may
-need it as well).</para>
-
-<para>Also look at the section on <link linkend="reallybigram">&gt;64M machines</link> if you have that much memory,
-or if you're using a Compaq or other BIOS that lies about
-the available memory.</para>
-
-</answer></qandaentry>
-
 <qandaentry><question>
 <para>Do I need to install the complete sources?</para></question><answer>
 
@@ -1505,9 +1488,7 @@
 
 <para>To actually select a subset of the sources, use the Custom
 menu item when you are in the Distributions menu of the
-system installation tool.  The <filename>src/install.sh</filename> script
-will also install partial pieces of the source distribution,
-depending on the arguments you pass it.</para>
+system installation tool.</para>  
 
 </answer></qandaentry>
 
@@ -2039,15 +2020,22 @@
       </literallayout>
 </para>
 
-<para>In FreeBSD 3.1 or later, the line should be:</para>
+<para>In FreeBSD 3.X, the line should be:</para>
 
 <para>
 <literallayout>        device mse0 at isa? port 0x23c tty irq5
       </literallayout>
 </para>
+
+<para>And in FreeBSD 4.X and later, the line should read:</para>
 
-<para>The bus mouse usually comes with an dedicatd interface card.
-It may allow you to set the port address and the IRQ number other
+<para>
+<literallayout>        device mse0 at isa? port 0x23c irq5
+</literallayout>
+</para> 
+
+<para>Bus mice usually comes with dedicated interface cards.
+These cards may allow you to set the port address and the IRQ number other
 than shown above.  Refer to the manual of your mouse and the
 &man.mse.4; man page for more information.</para>
 
@@ -2138,7 +2126,7 @@
       </literallayout>
 </para>
 
-<para>In versions 2.2.2 or later, set the following variables in
+<para>In versions 2.2.2 to 3.0, set the following variables in
 <filename>/etc/rc.conf</filename>.</para>
 
 <para>
@@ -2148,6 +2136,10 @@
       </literallayout>
 </para>
 
+<para>In 3.1 and later, assuming you have a PS/2 mouse, all you need
+to is add &ldquo;moused_enable=&quot;YES&quot; to
+<filename>/etc/rc.conf</filename>.</para> 
+
 <para>In addition, if you would like to be able to use the mouse
 daemon on all virtual terminals instead of just console at boot-time,
 add the following to <filename>/etc/rc.conf</filename>.</para>
@@ -2431,7 +2423,7 @@
 </answer></qandaentry>
 
 <qandaentry><question>
-<para>What other devices does 2.X support?</para></question><answer>
+<para>What other devices does FreeBSD support?</para></question><answer>
 
 <para>See the <ulink URL="../handbook/install.html#INSTALL-MISC">Handbook</ulink>
 for the list of other devices supported.</para>
@@ -2537,7 +2529,11 @@
 <para>Does FreeBSD support Symmetric Multiprocessing (SMP)?
       </para></question><answer>
 
-<para>SMP is supported in 3.0-STABLE and later releases only.</para>
+<para>SMP is supported in 3.0-STABLE and later releases only. SMP is
+not enabled in the <emphasis>GENERIC</emphasis> kernel, so you will
+have to recompile your kernel to enable SMP. Take a look at
+<filename>/sys/i386/conf/LINT</filename> to figure out what options to put in
+your kernel config file.</para>
 
 </answer></qandaentry>
 
@@ -2604,7 +2600,8 @@
 This is fine for operating systems like DOS that use BIOS code to
 access the disk.  However, FreeBSD's disk driver does not go through
 BIOS, therefore a mechanism, bad144, exists that replaces this
-functionality.  bad144 only works with the wd driver,
+functionality.  bad144 only works with the wd driver (which means it
+is not supported in FreeBSD 4.0),
 it is NOT able to be used with SCSI.  bad144 works by entering all bad
 sectors found into a special file.</para>
 
@@ -2692,10 +2689,6 @@
 firmware for it, you will need to check the position of jumper W1
 to B-C, the default is A-B.</para>
 
-<para>The 742a EISA cards never had the ``&gt;16MB'' problem mentioned in
-the section <link linkend="bigram">on &gt;16 MB machines</link>. This is a
-problem that occurs with the Vesa-Local Buslogic SCSI cards.</para>
-
 </answer></qandaentry>
 
 <qandaentry><question>
@@ -3588,7 +3581,8 @@
 </answer></qandaentry>
 
 <qandaentry><question>
-<para>        When I run a SCO/iBCS2 application, it bombs on <emphasis remap=tt>socksys</emphasis>.
+<para>        When I run a SCO/iBCS2 application, it bombs on
+<emphasis remap=tt>socksys</emphasis> (FreeBSD 3.0 and older only).
       </para></question><answer>
 
 <para>You first need to edit the <filename>/etc/sysconfig</filename>
@@ -3799,9 +3793,22 @@
 so that all files could be copied with a <command><ulink URL="http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?cp(1)">cp</ulink> /usr/src/etc/rc*
 /etc</command> command.</para>
 
-<para><filename>/etc/rc.local</filename> is here as always and may be used to
-start up additional local services like <ulink URL="http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/ports.cgi?^inn">INN</ulink>
-or set custom options.</para>
+<para>And, in 3.1 and later, <filename>/etc/rc.conf</filename> has
+been moved to <filename>/etc/defaults/rc.conf</filename>. <emphasis>Do not edit
+this file!</emphasis> Instead, if there is any entry in
+<filename>/etc/defaults/rc.conf</filename> that you want to change,
+you should copy the line into <filename>/etc/rc.conf</filename> and
+change it there.</para>
+<para>For example, if you wish to start named, the DNS server included
+with FreeBSD in FreeBSD 3.1 or later, all you need to do is:</para>
+<screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>echo named_enable="YES" &gt;&gt;
+/etc/rc.conf</userinput></screen>
+
+<para>To start up local services in FreeBSD 3.1 or later, place shell
+scripts in the <filename>/usr/local/etc.rd</filename> directory. These
+shell scripts should be set executable, and end with a .sh. In FreeBSD
+3.0 and earlier releases, you should edit the
+<filename>/etc/rc.local</filename> file.</para> 
 
 <para>The <filename>/etc/rc.serial</filename> is for serial port initialization
 (e.g. locking the port characteristics, and so on.).</para>
@@ -3809,34 +3816,6 @@
 <para>The <filename>/etc/rc.i386</filename> is for Intel-specifics settings, such
 as iBCS2 emulation or the PC system console configuration.</para>
 
-<para>Starting with 2.1.0R, you can also have "local" startup files in a
-directory specified in <filename>/etc/sysconfig</filename> (or
-<filename>/etc/rc.conf</filename>):</para>
-
-<para>
-<literallayout>        # Location of local startup files.
-        local_startup=/usr/local/etc/rc.local.d
-      </literallayout>
-</para>
-
-<para>Each file ending in <filename>.sh</filename> will be executed in alphabetical order.</para>
-
-<para>If you want to ensure a certain execution order without changing all
-the file names, you can use a scheme similar to the following with
-digits prepended to each file name to insure the ordering:</para>
-
-<para>
-<literallayout>        10news.sh
-        15httpd.sh
-        20ssh.sh
-      </literallayout>
-</para>
-
-<para>It can be seen as ugly (or SysV :-)) but it provides a simple and
-regular scheme for locally-added packages without resorting to
-magical editing of <filename>/etc/rc.local</filename>.  Many of the ports/packages
-assume that <filename>/usr/local/etc/rc.d</filename> is a local startup directory.</para>
-
 </answer></qandaentry>
 
 <qandaentry><question>
@@ -3845,7 +3824,9 @@
 <para>Use the <ulink URL="http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?adduser">adduser</ulink> command. For more complicated usage, the
 <ulink URL="http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?pw">pw</ulink> command.</para>
 
-<para>To remove the user again, use the <ulink URL="http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?rmuser">rmuser</ulink> command.</para>
+<para>To remove the user again, use the <ulink
+URL="http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?rmuser">rmuser</ulink>
+command. Once again, <command>pw</command> will work as well.</para>
 
 </answer></qandaentry>
 
@@ -4540,17 +4521,16 @@
 
 <para>
 <literallayout>        options    SYSVSHM
-        options    "SHMMAXPGS=64"   # 256Kb of sharable memory
+        options    SYSVSHM          # enable shared memory   
         options    SYSVSEM          # enable for semaphores
         options    SYSVMSG          # enable for messaging
       </literallayout>
 </para>
-
-<para>Recompile and install.</para>
+<para><note><para>In FreeBSD 3.2 and later, these options are already part
+of the <emphasis>GENERIC</emphasis> kernel, which means they should
+already be compiled into your system.</para></note></para>
 
-<para><emphasis remap=bf>NOTE:</emphasis> You may need to increase SHMMAXPGS to some
-ridiculous number like 4096 (16M!) if you want to run
-GIMP. 256Kb is plenty for X11R6 shared memory.</para>
+<para>Recompile and install your kernel.</para>
 
 </answer></qandaentry>
 
@@ -5941,20 +5921,19 @@
 box to connect to the Internet and then be able to access the
 Internet from the Windows95 box through the FreeBSD box. This
 is really just a special case of the previous question.</para>
-
-<para>There's a useful document available which explains how to set
-FreeBSD up as a <ulink URL="http://www.ssimicro.com/~jeremyc/ppp.html">PPP Dialup Router</ulink></para>
-
-<para><emphasis remap=bf>NOTE:</emphasis> This requires having at least two fixed IP addresses
-available, and possibly three or more, depending on how much
-work you want to go through to set up the Windows box. As an
-alternative, if you don't have a fixed IP, you can use one of
-the private IP subnets and install <emphasis remap=bf>proxies</emphasis> such as
-<ulink URL="http://squid.nlanr.net/Squid/">SQUID</ulink> and
-<ulink URL="http://www.tis.com/">the TIS firewall toolkit</ulink>
-on your FreeBSD box.</para>
-
-<para>See also the section on <link linkend="natd">natd</link>.</para>
+<para> ... and the answer is yes! In FreeBSD 3.x, user-mode ppp contains a
+<option>-nat</option> option. If you run <command>ppp</command> with
+the <option>-nat</option>, set <literal>gateway_enable</literal> to
+<emphasis>YES</emphasis> in <filename>/etc/rc.conf</filename>, and
+configure your Windows machine correctly, this should work
+fine.</para>
+
+<para>More detailed information about setting this up can be found in
+the <ulink url="http://www.FreeBSD.org/tutorials/ppp/index.html">Pedantic PPP
+Primer</ulink> by Steve Sims.</para> 
+<para>If you are using kernel-mode ppp, or have an Ethernet connection
+to the Internet, you will have to use <command>natd</command>. Please
+look at the <link linkend="natd">natd</link> section of this FAQ.</para>
 
 </answer></qandaentry>
 
@@ -6380,18 +6359,6 @@
 </answer></qandaentry></qandaset>
 </chapter>
 
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
 <chapter id="ppp">
 <title>PPP</title>
 <qandaset>
@@ -8027,10 +7994,12 @@
 <para>        Why use (what are) a.out and ELF executable formats?
       </para></question><answer>
 
-<para>To understand why FreeBSD uses the <filename>a.out</filename> format, you must
+<para>To understand why FreeBSD uses the <filename>ELF</filename> format, you must
 first know a little about the 3 currently "dominant" executable
 formats for UNIX:</para>
 
+<para><note><para>Prior to FreeBSD 3.x, FreeBSD used the a.out format.</para></note></para>
+
 <para>
 <itemizedlist>
 
@@ -8483,7 +8452,9 @@
       </para></question><answer>
 
 <para>There are currently three active/semi-active branches in the FreeBSD
-<ulink URL="http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi">CVS Repository</ulink>:</para>
+<ulink URL="http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi">CVS
+Repository</ulink> (the RELENG_2 branch is probably only changed twice
+a year, which is why there are only three active branches of development):</para>
 
 <para>
 <itemizedlist>
@@ -8507,7 +8478,7 @@
 </itemizedlist>
 </para>
 
-<para><acronym>HEAD</acronym> is not an actual branch tag, like the other two, it's
+<para><acronym>HEAD</acronym> is not an actual branch tag, like the other two; it's
 simply a symbolic constant for
 <emphasis>"the current, non-branched development stream"</emphasis> which we simply
 refer to as <option>-CURRENT</option>.</para>

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>>>> "Nik Clayton" <nik@FreeBSD.ORG> writes

> vector images.  Instead of storing EPS files in the repository we would
> store the dia files, and generate the EPS from them at build time.

I have two objections to `dia':

  Size: `dia' requires GTK which in turn pulls in other dependencies; 
  ImageMagick is also big.

  I18N: How localized is `dia'?  Will it serve the needs of the -doc 
  translation teams?

Instead:

Why not have EPS as the ``base format'' from which other formats are
generated as needed?  Of the various choices, EPS seems to me today to
scale the best across the available display technologies.  Further, it 
is a fairly compact and, being plain text,  works well with CVS.
You can translate EPS into a number formats using ghostscript
(including PNG).

Generating EPS: 

While visual tools like `dia' are a possibility, we also have:

- MetaPost (already present in the teTeX distribution): a lightweight 
  tool for drawing simple diagrams of the kind we are likely to need.   

- Finally, TeX itself can be used to draw figures.  Packages like `xypic', 
  and `pstricks' come to mind.

The TeX family of tools (including MetaPost) are already very well localized.

A related point:

Most figures are going to need some text embedded in them.  When 
translated, this text can change radically in size and may need to be 
repositioned in the figure.    Boxes may need to be resized and/or
moved around.  In the interest of easing the translation teams' work 
it would be useful to describe pictures in a high-level way (e.g:- 
"connect this box to that one there with a wavy line") and have the 
build process automatically handle the details of positioning 
and sizing of the picture's components.  This is possible today when 
using MetaPost or TeX.

It would be even better to describe our figures in SGML :).  Do you know 
of any DTDs being used to describe figures and diagrams?

Regards,
Koshy
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On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 02:42:51AM -0700, jkoshy@FreeBSD.ORG wrote:
> 
> 
> >>>> "Nik Clayton" <nik@FreeBSD.ORG> writes
> 
> > vector images.  Instead of storing EPS files in the repository we would
> > store the dia files, and generate the EPS from them at build time.
> 
> I have two objections to `dia':

text deleted for brevity

> It would be even better to describe our figures in SGML :).  Do you know 
> of any DTDs being used to describe figures and diagrams?

another related point ...

how are the disabled people who view these documents going to
be able to decipher teh mess that said document will become
when viewed through a text only interface ?

not every one has tommorrows hardware or can afford the
required screen deployment to view teh ever increasing (in
complexity and size) freebsd requirements.

as an aside ...

a freind of mine said to me upon some of teh recent changes
to freebsd "if i wanted microsoft size, complexity and
reliability i'd use microsoft product". i don't know if i agree
with him, yet, but it is getting that way.

regards,

jonathan

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Hi,

I have NT 4.0 on hard disk 0 and added freeBSD 4 on hard disk 1 (no
loader was
installed)

To have double boot I followed the answer to
    Q: How can I use the NT loader to boot FreeBSD?
located at
    http://www.FreeBSD.org/FAQ/admin.html#AEN1818

namely

I copied /boot/boot0 to file c:\bootsect.bsd and included this file
in c:\boot.ini as
       C:\BOOTSECT.BSD="FreeBSD"

After reboot I got NT loader menu as expected, and chose to boot
freeBSD.
Then I got another menu with one option (of freeBSD loader I suppose),
and after that error message
stating something like 'multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1) is not
found'. The was
no way out just reboot.

Rebooting lead to freeBSD loader menu as above and same error message.
As a result I've lost MBR on NT disk 0 and was unable to boot NT
anymore.
The MBR was replaced by some code of freeBSD.
Moreover, replacing MBR was done in such a way that partition table was
erased.
And first 63 sectors of cylinder 0 side 0 (usually containing 0x0 except
MBR)
were filled with some code (of freeBSD I suppose)
MBR was replaced by some freeBSD code, there is such word "freeBSD" in
it.

I just followed instruction published on your web site.
Look like executing code of /boot/boot0 during boot leads to things far
from expected
as a final result.

This is for your information.
If I did something wrong, I appreciate if you explain.

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> how are the disabled people who view these documents going to
> be able to decipher teh mess that said document will become
> when viewed through a text only interface ?

I don't see how these documents will become a "mess."  The print versions
will have figures in them (I've seen hundreds of textbooks do the same
without becoming unruly).  The HTML version will be like any other web
page, with a bitmap image where figures will appear.  And the plain text
version won't have any figures at all.

And how will people with disabilities read them?  Probably the same way
they do now: by using online browsers that accomodate disabilities.  I'm
acquainted with one low-vision and one blind user who surf the web despite
it being a highly visual medium.

Pictures go so much farther than mere text towards explaining an issue.
Imagine if Edward Tufte was told he couldn't publish _The Visual Display of
Quantitative Information_ because it'd be a mess for his disabled readers,
or that it'd be too difficult to produce.  Absurd!

> not every one has tommorrows hardware or can afford the
> required screen deployment to view teh ever increasing (in
> complexity and size) freebsd requirements

People have produced and read high quality computer documentation on modest
hardware for years.

And as for code bloat ... mention it on -hackers ... but be prepared to
duck and cover!  :-)

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-On [20000509 12:40], Marc van Kempen (marc@bowtie.nl) wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Um, what happens when you include <sys/types.h> and <sys/socket.h> as
>> directed by the documentation?
>> 
>Not much, those two files were included already and apparently don't
>pickup <machine/param.h>

Try substituting sys/param.h for sys/types.h

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-On [20000510 11:45], jkoshy@FreeBSD.ORG (jkoshy@FreeBSD.ORG) wrote:
>
>
>>>>> "Nik Clayton" <nik@FreeBSD.ORG> writes
>
>> vector images.  Instead of storing EPS files in the repository we would
>> store the dia files, and generate the EPS from them at build time.
>
>I have two objections to `dia':
>
>  Size: `dia' requires GTK which in turn pulls in other dependencies; 
>  ImageMagick is also big.

The only dependencies Dia requires are: gdk-pixbuf, gtk/glib and the
various graphics libraries.

Dia is still wildly instable and I am debugging it [CVS version] to get
it more stable every day.  Consider me a FreeBSD liaison on that
project. =)

>  I18N: How localized is `dia'?  Will it serve the needs of the -doc 
>  translation teams?

It is localised, but of course, people are always welcome to verify for
themselves and notify me of the localisation issues.  I am Dutch, I
don't particulary care for I18N for a various number of reasons.

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On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 10:20:08PM +1000, Jonathan Michaels wrote:

> a freind of mine said to me upon some of teh recent changes
> to freebsd "if i wanted microsoft size, complexity and
> reliability i'd use microsoft product". i don't know if i agree
> with him, yet, but it is getting that way.

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On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 02:42:51AM -0700, jkoshy@FreeBSD.ORG wrote:
> It would be even better to describe our figures in SGML :).  Do you know 
> of any DTDs being used to describe figures and diagrams?

There is on in XML.  It's called SVG and is a W3C project.  Mozilla
implements it so someday we could even send them directly in HTML
versions.  There are editors including ones from big named like Adobe.
There are also plugins for windows browsers.  Someone might need to whip
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In message <20000510194221.B20181@lucifer.bart.nl>, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven writes:
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> Um, what happens when you include <sys/types.h> and <sys/socket.h> as
>>> directed by the documentation?
>>> 
>>Not much, those two files were included already and apparently don't
>>pickup <machine/param.h>
>
>Try substituting sys/param.h for sys/types.h
>
To iterate once more, the problem is that the ALIGN macro is not being 
picked up even though <sys/types.h> and <sys/socket.h> are included.
The problem arises from the use of the CMSG_DATA macro, which seems to
be related to sendmsg(), and uses the ALIGN macro.

The manual page for sendmsg() or similar states that you only need
<sys/types.h> and <sys/socket.h>, but this fails, it only works if 
you also include <machine/param.h> where the ALIGN macro is defined.

So the question again is: is the manual page in error or are the 
include files wrong? If it's the manual page, in which manual
page are you supposed to find information about the use of the 
CMSG_DATA macro?

See the example program, it doesn't compile without the 
<machine/param.h> include.

#include <sys/types.h>
#include <sys/socket.h>
#include <machine/param.h>

int
main(int argc, char **argv)
{
        struct msghdr msg;
        unsigned char *data;

        data = CMSG_DATA(&msg);

        return(0);
}


Marc.




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 Hi all-

 As you may or may not have noticed, I've submitted two or three PRs doing
general updates to the FAQ (these were committed fairly quickly,
thanks!). Most of the updates I submitted dealt with updating version
numbers, and adding 3.X/4.X relevant information to entries which only had
solutions for FreeBSD 2.X. Almost all of the updates I submitted kept the
information relevant to FreeBSD 2.X intact; I just added a "In FBSD 3/4,
do this...In FreeBSD 2.X..<original entry>".
 Anyways, to get to the point, what do people think about completely
removing all of the FreeBSD 2.X specific entries from the FAQ? Personally,
I think that all the 2.X cruft in there is fairly useless, and just makes
the FAQ both bigger and harder to understand. If FreeBSD were a commercial
enterprise, I think 2.X would be officially end-of-lifed, and the support
contracts for 2.X would have been outsourced to somewhere else. As it is,
if anybody asks the mailing lists for help when they're running 2.X, 99%
of the time, the only reply they receieve is "Upgrade to 4.0".
 
 If there was general agreement, I would at some point (probably not until
at least next week) change the preface to FreeBSD 3.X and 4.X FAQ, and add
a notice in the preface saying something like "The entries in this FAQ
only apply to FreeBSD 3.X and 4.X. If you are running FreeBSD 2.X, we
strongly suggest you upgrade <provide link to upgrade docs>. Some entries
in here may be relevant to FreeBSD 2.X as well, but we do not guarantee
that any solution presented here will work for 2.X.", and then gradually
go through and nuke the ancient FAQ entries.

 Questions/comments? I don't know if we collect some kind of usage
data; how many people are there that still use 2.X?

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[ Just to be absolutely certain this message gets across -- I don't know
  all the answers here.  If I'm asking questions they're not rhetorical. ]

On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 02:42:51AM -0700, jkoshy@FreeBSD.org wrote:
> > vector images.  Instead of storing EPS files in the repository we would
> > store the dia files, and generate the EPS from them at build time.
> 
> I have two objections to `dia':
> 
>   Size: `dia' requires GTK which in turn pulls in other dependencies; 
>   ImageMagick is also big.

Yep.  I fully agree with you here.  I know what it's like to be behind
a slow link (33.6 modem until a week ago).  This is exactly why I want
alternatives.

>   I18N: How localized is `dia'?  Will it serve the needs of the -doc 
>   translation teams?

Localized?  Do you mean the application, or it's output?

> Instead:
> 
> Why not have EPS as the ``base format'' from which other formats are
> generated as needed?  Of the various choices, EPS seems to me today to
> scale the best across the available display technologies.  Further, it 
> is a fairly compact and, being plain text,  works well with CVS.
> You can translate EPS into a number formats using ghostscript
> (including PNG).

How well are bitmaps covered in EPS?  I'm assuming we're going to want
to be able to use bitmaps, such as screen grabs.  I really don't know 
how well suited EPS is as a format for bitmaps.

> Generating EPS: 
> 
> While visual tools like `dia' are a possibility, we also have:
> 
> - MetaPost (already present in the teTeX distribution): a lightweight 
>   tool for drawing simple diagrams of the kind we are likely to need.   

I've taken a cursory glance at MetaPost now (more specifically, mpman.ps
in the doc/ directory).

Hmm.  I'm already getting flack from people for making the docs too 
difficult to contribute to.  That looks to be a little daunting for the
novice user.  I'm aware that the more difficult we make this, the easier
it is for a potential contributor to think it's too much work, and not
bother.

Is there a visual editor for MetaPost?
 
> A related point:
> 
> Most figures are going to need some text embedded in them.  When 
> translated, this text can change radically in size and may need to be 
> repositioned in the figure.    Boxes may need to be resized and/or
> moved around.  In the interest of easing the translation teams' work 
> it would be useful to describe pictures in a high-level way (e.g:- 
> "connect this box to that one there with a wavy line") and have the 
> build process automatically handle the details of positioning 
> and sizing of the picture's components.  This is possible today when 
> using MetaPost or TeX.

Ditto with dia.  By default, dia's output format is compressed.  If you
tell it not to compress files ("File" -> "Preferences") then the save
format is a valid XML document, marked up in dia's own DTD.  This means
you can edit with any old text editor, embed

   <!-- $FreeBSD$ -->

at the top of each file, and so on.

> It would be even better to describe our figures in SGML :).  Do you know 
> of any DTDs being used to describe figures and diagrams?

See previous paragraph.

If you feel better about it, you can consider dia to be a graphical editor
for a document marked up in XML.  If we can I'd be very happy if we can
get the dia-to-eps functionality in a separate tool without all the 
additional dependencies (it's possible we can, my research hasn't gone
that far yet).

N
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On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 10:20:08PM +1000, Jonathan Michaels wrote:
> how are the disabled people who view these documents going to
> be able to decipher teh mess that said document will become
> when viewed through a text only interface ?

The same way things are done today.  Picture's being worth a thousand
words and all that.

For example,

    http://people.freebsd.org/~hm/i4b/index.html

(marked up in LaTeX, natch) makes great use of diagrams to break down
concepts (like the makeup of a packet), while still keeping the necessary
textual description.

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On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 07:46:20PM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote:
> >  Size: `dia' requires GTK which in turn pulls in other dependencies; 
> >  ImageMagick is also big.
> 
> The only dependencies Dia requires are: gdk-pixbuf, gtk/glib and the
> various graphics libraries.

Yeah.  But they're big nonetheless.

I just did a quick scan of the dia distfile and dependency list

Port						Distfile size
--------------------------------------------------------------
graphics/dia                                      959,231
        x11-toolkits/gtk12                      2,851,547
                devel/glib12                      410,754
                        devel/libtool             535,519
                devel/gettext                     713,694
        textproc/libxml                           890,447
        graphics/imlib                            696,347
                graphics/png                      403,297
                graphics/tiff                     900,890
                        graphics/jpeg             613,261
                graphics/libungif                 301,291
--------------------------------------------------------------
                                                9,276,278

(I haven't double checked this figure, but it looks about right).

OK, so packages will be smaller, but whichever way you cut it
that's still a lot of data to transfer.

> Dia is still wildly instable and I am debugging it [CVS version] to get
> it more stable every day.  Consider me a FreeBSD liaison on that
> project. =)

Great.  I'd like a dia2eps tool please, preferable weighing in at less
than a megabyte, including the dependencies -- I realise that you'll
need libxml. . .

. . . by the end of the week if possible. :-)

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On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 01:53:16PM -0400, Bill Fumerola wrote:
> On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 10:20:08PM +1000, Jonathan Michaels wrote:
> 
> > a freind of mine said to me upon some of teh recent changes
> > to freebsd "if i wanted microsoft size, complexity and
> > reliability i'd use microsoft product". i don't know if i agree
> > with him, yet, but it is getting that way.
> 
> These are the tools for building the documentation, not reading it.


i've got enough rabid hate mail to deal with .. at least i can
quote, reply in context. well, most of the time and even as stupid
as i am with my damaged brain.

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prayer, which i've reworded for you, thank god i wan't born an
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 >  Questions/comments? I don't know if we collect some kind of usage
 > data; how many people are there that still use 2.X?

Hmm, while having read your posting, I was asking myself, if it would
be useful, if the different releases include their own FAQ - only
relevant for that particular release...
I'm not sure if that subject has already been discussed, some time
ago.

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> -On [20000509 12:40], Marc van Kempen (marc@bowtie.nl) wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Um, what happens when you include <sys/types.h> and <sys/socket.h> as
> >> directed by the documentation?
> >> 
> >Not much, those two files were included already and apparently don't
> >pickup <machine/param.h>
> 
> Try substituting sys/param.h for sys/types.h
> 
Sorry, I misunderstood you, still my argument stands, just 
replace <machine/param.h> with <sys/param.h>

It is still unclear from the documentation what should be done.

Here is the test program again.

#include <sys/param.h>
#include <sys/socket.h>

int
main(int argc, char **argv)
{
        struct msghdr msg;
        unsigned char *data;

        data = CMSG_DATA(&msg);

        return(0);
}

This does compile.

Marc.

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On Thu, 11 May 2000 08:15:01 +0200, Dirk GOUDERS wrote:

> Hmm, while having read your posting, I was asking myself, if it would
> be useful, if the different releases include their own FAQ - only
> relevant for that particular release...
> I'm not sure if that subject has already been discussed, some time
> ago.

It has and it was unanimously decided by all (except for a few who don't
actually contribute anything) that it's too much work, given that most
frequently asked questions relate to more than one release.

I agree that ancient, crusty questions should either be removed
(reducing the signal-to-noise ratio of the FAQ) or relegated to a
"legacy FAQ".  Either one takes work, although this work can be
undertaken incremenetally, as individuals notice crusty questions.

Ciao,
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-On [20000511 03:15], Nik Clayton (nik@FreeBSD.ORG) wrote:
>Ditto with dia.  By default, dia's output format is compressed.  If you
>tell it not to compress files ("File" -> "Preferences") then the save
>format is a valid XML document, marked up in dia's own DTD.  This means
>you can edit with any old text editor, embed
>
>   <!-- $FreeBSD$ -->
>
>at the top of each file, and so on.
>
>> It would be even better to describe our figures in SGML :).  Do you know 
>> of any DTDs being used to describe figures and diagrams?
>
>See previous paragraph.

Even simpler.

It uses the SVG DTD from w3c to create new shapes, thus it is easily
extendable.

Still need to create a SVG DTD port though.

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Hi Dirk-

 I was thinking that myself, but I didn't want to suggest it when I wasn't
sure if I had the time/willingness to do it myself. :)

Eric

On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 08:15:01AM +0200, Dirk GOUDERS wrote:
> 
>  >  Questions/comments? I don't know if we collect some kind of usage
>  > data; how many people are there that still use 2.X?
> 
> Hmm, while having read your posting, I was asking myself, if it would
> be useful, if the different releases include their own FAQ - only
> relevant for that particular release...
> I'm not sure if that subject has already been discussed, some time
> ago.
> 
> -dg-
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On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 08:33:39PM -0400, Eric Ogren wrote:
> Anyways, to get to the point, what do people think about completely
> removing all of the FreeBSD 2.X specific entries from the FAQ? 

I'm opposed to the idea of removing information from the FAQ when it's
still accurate.  I know of sites that are still running 2.x systems (when
it works, why upgrade?).

I can appreciate that people don't want to have to read through stuff
that's not directly appropriate to them.  There are proposals on the table
to work through this in a more SGMLish way.  Take a look through the 
doc mailing list archives for threads started by me that have the string
"osversionmin" in them, to see one proposal on how to handle things, and
prototype tools on how to implement it.

N
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On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 11:15:19AM +1000, Jonathan Michaels wrote:

> > > a freind of mine said to me upon some of teh recent changes
> > > to freebsd "if i wanted microsoft size, complexity and
> > > reliability i'd use microsoft product". i don't know if i agree
> > > with him, yet, but it is getting that way.
> > 
> > These are the tools for building the documentation, not reading it.
> 
> i've got enough rabid hate mail to deal with .. at least i can
> quote, reply in context. well, most of the time and even as stupid
> as i am with my damaged brain.
> 
> to paraphrase my grandmother, thier is an ancient jewish
> prayer, which i've reworded for you, thank god i wan't born an
> american freebsd zenophobe.

Please tell me where my "rabid hate mail" is above. I'd like to know.

There is a cost to developing things. This cost is in the development tools.
Sometimes this cost is in money, hard drive space, time spent, etc.

So don't call us Microsoft-like bloatists when we require a few more tools
to do development. For the 99% of people who have ever installed FreeBSD
and don't do handbook development, they don't even see a difference.

<rabid-hate-mail>
Get a fucking clue and understand what you're arguing against.
</rabid-hate-mail>

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> >> It would be even better to describe our figures in SGML :).  Do you
know
> >> of any DTDs being used to describe figures and diagrams?
> >
> >See previous paragraph.
>
> Even simpler.
>
> It uses the SVG DTD from w3c to create new shapes, thus it is easily
> extendable.
>
> Still need to create a SVG DTD port though.

Which would depend on a bunch of the XML processing tools, too, since the
SVG DTD is an XML application, not SGML.  (Which would be fine by me ...
I've got plenty of disk space, and plenty of XML tools installed already.
:-)

As for EPS as the superformat ... well, I like the simplicity of having a
single storage format, but it's not always plain text, if I recall
correctly.  PostScript Level 2 (and up) allows bitmap images in an EPS file
to be encoded using a variety of different mechanisms, some of the binary
(right?).

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On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 04:13:52PM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote:
> Which would depend on a bunch of the XML processing tools, too, since the
> SVG DTD is an XML application, not SGML.  (Which would be fine by me ...
> I've got plenty of disk space, and plenty of XML tools installed already.
> :-)

It's a way's off, but we'll almost certaintly convert for SGML to XML
someday for the simple reason that DocBook is doing that.  I don't think
it would be unreasionale to have a NO_IMAGES make variable to allow
people do build docs with the images stripped out (and thus without the
SVG tools).  I don't think we'll be embeding ASCII art version of raster
images in the text format of the docs anyway.  (The idea of a text copy
of the handbook with an ASCII picture of Nik doing his Peter Norton
impression is just a weird image. ;-)

> As for EPS as the superformat ... well, I like the simplicity of having a
> single storage format, but it's not always plain text, if I recall
> correctly.  PostScript Level 2 (and up) allows bitmap images in an EPS file
> to be encoded using a variety of different mechanisms, some of the binary
> (right?).

Raster and vector data have so little in common that is seems like a
very bad idea to try to have a single representation.  Vector data seems
to be a good fit for a human editable text system like SVG, but raster
data just begs for a compressed, packed binary format like PNG.

-- Brooks

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On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 11:12:54AM -0400, jim Weeks scribbled:
| On Tue, 9 May 2000, Michael Chin-Yuan Wu wrote:
|                 TrueType fonts for FreeBSD/XFree86
|
| The following operation requires root access.
|
| The easiest way to use TrueType (*.ttf) fonts in FreeBSD/XFree86 is to first install XfStt from the ports collection. This port is found under X11-servers.
|
| Once installed you will need to create the directory /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
/TrueType which is where XfStt looks for fonts.  Next you should populate the directory with fonts.
|
| TrueType (*.ttf) fonts are easily found and several are even available for do
wnload on the Microsoft web site. One way to get the fonts is to zip the font d
irectory on that old Ms Windows machine before you reformat the drive for FreeB
SD. If you are lucky enough to have the old machine on a local network you may want to ftp the fonts over to your FreeBSD machine.
|
| Once you have the fonts in your new TrueType directory you are ready to start
 the server.  You can start it by simply typing "xfstt &" at the command prompt
. You should insure that xfstt is started at boot time.  This is easily accomplished by adding the following lines to /etc/rc.local
|
| /usr/X11R6/bin/xfstt &
| echo "XfStt"
|
| The font database will be synchronized the first time you start the server.
If you wish to add fonts later you will need to stop the server and type "xfstt --sync" to re-synchronize the database.
|
| The last thing you need to do is make Xfree86 recognize your new fonts.  In o
rder to do this you will need to add the following line to your list of fonts in /etc/XF86Config,
|
|  FontPath   "unix/:7100"
|
| where "7100" is the default port for the native FreeBSD version of XfStt.
|
| You should now be ready to start X and test your installation.  If you have N
etscape installed you can check under Edit/Preferences/Fonts.  The new fonts should now be visible in the Variable width fonts menu.
|

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After reading this over, I find that this tutorial may not be a great
part of the distribution.  However, I know a great place for this
article and should not require much if any modification.
Please consider allowing www.freebsddiary.org to have this article.
I am sure that Dan would put it in the Diary.  Would you consider it? Jim


Thank you very much,


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On 11 May 00, at 22:00, Michael C. Wu wrote:

> After reading this over, I find that this tutorial may not be a great
> part of the distribution.  However, I know a great place for this
> article and should not require much if any modification.
> Please consider allowing www.freebsddiary.org to have this article.
> I am sure that Dan would put it in the Diary.  Would you consider it? Jim

Sure.  It may take a week or three.  I'm a bit swamped right now.
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jk>  Why not have EPS as the ``base format'' from which other formats are

nik> How well are bitmaps covered in EPS?  I'm assuming we're going to want

AFAIK, bitmaps aren't a problem.  EPS is just normal Postscript with
a small number of conventions imposed and a few operators forbidden.

jk>   I18N: How localized is `dia'?  Will it serve the needs of the -doc 
nik> Localized?  Do you mean the application, or it's output?

The application.  Applications that can handle Far Eastern languages
with the same ease as western ones are somewhat rare.

The point I was trying to make was that if we are mandating
a particular tool for generating figures, it should be useable by
our translation teams too.  It may make more sense to mandate use of a
suitably capable file format than a particular application.

nik> Is there a visual editor for MetaPost?

Dunno, its a programming language after all :).

jk>  It would be even better to describe our figures in SGML :).  Do you know 

[Various people mentioned the SVG DTD in development by W3C]

SVG seems interesting.  I hope it takes off.

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"Michael C. Wu" wrote:After reading this over, I find that this tutorial may not be a great

> part of the distribution.  However, I know a great place for this
> article and should not require much if any modification.
> Please consider allowing www.freebsddiary.org to have this article.
> I am sure that Dan would put it in the Diary.  Would you consider it? Jim

Yes of course.  Thanks,

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>Number:         18520
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       kbdcontrol manpage incomplete
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
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FreeBSD 3(?), 4, and 5, all revisions

>Description:

	The manpage for kbdcontrol is incomplete. It does not mention that
some commands only apply to /dev/console or the virtual terminals. It would
be useful to see an example along the lines of

	kbdcontrol -k /dev/ukbd0 < /dev/console

to show how to change the keyboard when in an xterm (or when using an automatic
changer line in usbd.conf).

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>Fix:


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All you need is pair of blank, 1.44MB floppies and these directions.
             ^^^^^^^
missing "a" ?
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Synopsis: man and nroff -mdoc produce extra blank lines.

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As per mpp's explanation: the blank lines are occurring at page
breaks by intention.


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