From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 3: 0: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0C037B479 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 03:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id DAA10798; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 03:00:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 03:00:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011121100.DAA10798@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: opentrax@email.com Subject: Re: docs/22042: spelling error Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/22042; it has been noted by GNATS. From: opentrax@email.com To: ben@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, bugs@xfree86.org Subject: Re: docs/22042: spelling error Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 02:55:08 -0800 (PST) On 11 Nov, Ben Smithurst wrote: > opentrax@email.com wrote: > >> Mis-spelling in XF86Config(4/5) man page. >> Bottom of page 6, next to last paragraph >> says "wsouse"; should say "wsmouse". > > This isn't a FreeBSD manual page, so I don't think there's much we can > do about it. You'd probably be better off reporting the problem to the > XFree86 Project. > > I'll close this PR soon unless anyone objects. > I think I'll object. I'm just wondering, isn't there a way to passing this bug directly to the XFree86 group? This bug/mis-spelling is just something that needs to be corrected. It's minor; we can both agree on that, but passing the buck puts in the same boat as some poor commercial software (M$). This leads me to ask should we really pass the buck, or should we as the best OS on the internet, perhaps, find a way to improve on the system and get this resolved? After all, this seems to be a most trival case. best regards, jessem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 3: 3:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D9A37B479; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 03:03:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eACAv0s01975; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 10:57:00 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 10:56:59 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Ben Smithurst Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/22043: fstab cache annoyance Message-ID: <20001112105659.A1752@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200011112000.MAA12039@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011112000.MAA12039@freefall.freebsd.org>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Sat, Nov 11, 2000 at 12:00:06PM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Nov 11, 2000 at 12:00:06PM -0800, Ben Smithurst wrote: > From: Ben Smithurst > To: opentrax@email.com > Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: docs/22043: fstab cache annoyance > Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 19:54:31 +0000 > > opentrax@email.com wrote: > > > For utilities that rely on fstab (mount, fsck, ...), > > the lookup in fstab(5) fails until the table is > > re-read; usually a re-read via reboot. > > Utilities that read fstab read it themselves, there is no cache in the > way you imply. I'm not sure what the problem is. Seconded. I couldn't duplicate the behaviour described in the PR. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 3: 6:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0728137B479 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 03:06:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eACB6b402025; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:06:37 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:06:37 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Jun Kuriyama Cc: Documentation Team Subject: Re: New syncstat URL Message-ID: <20001112110636.B1752@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <7m4s1fgaid.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <7m4s1fgaid.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp>; from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp on Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 11:35:54PM +0900 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jun, On Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 11:35:54PM +0900, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > or CVSup with: > > ----- > *default host=cvsup.jp.FreeBSD.org > doc-jp > ----- I get Connected to cvsup.jp.freebsd.org Server message: Unknown collection "doc-jp" Skipping collection doc-jp/cvs Finished successfully when I try this. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 3: 9:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E2837B479 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 03:09:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 87A805730B; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 05:09:23 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 05:09:23 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: opentrax@email.com Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/22042: spelling error Message-ID: <20001112050923.C7123@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" Mail-Followup-To: "Michael C . Wu" , opentrax@email.com, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <200011121100.DAA10798@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011121100.DAA10798@freefall.freebsd.org>; from opentrax@email.com on Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 03:00:03AM -0800 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 03:00:03AM -0800, opentrax@email.com scribbled: | The following reply was made to PR docs/22042; it has been noted by GNATS. | From: opentrax@email.com | To: ben@FreeBSD.org | Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, bugs@xfree86.org | On 11 Nov, Ben Smithurst wrote: | > opentrax@email.com wrote: | >> Mis-spelling in XF86Config(4/5) man page. | >> Bottom of page 6, next to last paragraph | >> says "wsouse"; should say "wsmouse". | > This isn't a FreeBSD manual page, so I don't think there's much we can | > do about it. You'd probably be better off reporting the problem to the | > XFree86 Project. | > I'll close this PR soon unless anyone objects. | I think I'll object. | | I'm just wondering, isn't there a way to passing this bug | directly to the XFree86 group? Yes, you can email the XFree86 group yourself, just like you sent a PR. | This bug/mis-spelling is just something that needs to be | corrected. It's minor; we can both agree on that, but | passing the buck puts in the same boat as some poor | commercial software (M$). No, it is called seperation of tasks and the open source development models. | This leads me to ask should we really pass the buck, or Yes, the XFree86 developers would know how to fix it. | should we as the best OS on the internet, perhaps, find | a way to improve on the system and get this resolved? There is a way, and Ben stated it. | After all, this seems to be a most trival case. Exactly, and since the solution (emailing the developers who wrote the man page) is so simple, we should not make it more complicated. Ben stated why and how to fix it in his original reply. -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 3:11:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4C237B479; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 03:11:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eACBBFg02053; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:11:15 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:11:15 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: doc/ tree soft freeze for 4.2 Message-ID: <20001112111115.C1752@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20001109150240.A937@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001109150240.A937@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 03:02:40PM +0000 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 03:02:40PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > I'm going to do a soft freeze for 4.2. Specifically, I'm going to check > out a copy of the doc repo some time over the weekend, check that it > builds correctly, and then lay down the tag. There's much less potential > for doc/ to break the build, so I'm going to be happy to slide tags on > .sgml files right up to release time. I'm not going to slide tags on the > .mk and other infrastructure files unless there's a compelling reason to. Tag's going down as I speak. The rel.current entity in the Handbook still needs updating to point to 4.2, but we can't do that until the release is cut, so (hopefully) jkh is going to do that, and slide the tag forward just before he cuts the release. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 3:20:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (mg136-070.ricochet.net [204.179.136.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B1737B479; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 03:20:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04105; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 03:21:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200011121121.DAA04105@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 03:21:05 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: Re: docs/22043: fstab cache annoyance To: nik@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: ben@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20001112105659.A1752@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 12 Nov, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Sat, Nov 11, 2000 at 12:00:06PM -0800, Ben Smithurst wrote: >> From: Ben Smithurst >> To: opentrax@email.com >> Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org >> Subject: Re: docs/22043: fstab cache annoyance >> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 19:54:31 +0000 >> >> opentrax@email.com wrote: >> >> > For utilities that rely on fstab (mount, fsck, ...), >> > the lookup in fstab(5) fails until the table is >> > re-read; usually a re-read via reboot. >> >> Utilities that read fstab read it themselves, there is no cache in the >> way you imply. I'm not sure what the problem is. > > Seconded. I couldn't duplicate the behaviour described in the PR. > I can readily reproduce the errors, but perhaps my description was not clear enough. I'll review the PR and update it if the description is not clear enough. Jessem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 3:32:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (mg136-070.ricochet.net [204.179.136.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D1037B479 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 03:32:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04127; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 03:32:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200011121132.DAA04127@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 03:32:31 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: Re: docs/22042: spelling error To: keichii@peorth.iteration.net Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20001112050923.C7123@peorth.iteration.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 12 Nov, Michael C . Wu wrote: > On Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 03:00:03AM -0800, opentrax@email.com scribbled: > | The following reply was made to PR docs/22042; it has been noted by GNATS. > | From: opentrax@email.com > | To: ben@FreeBSD.org > | Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, bugs@xfree86.org > | On 11 Nov, Ben Smithurst wrote: > | > opentrax@email.com wrote: > | >> Mis-spelling in XF86Config(4/5) man page. > | >> Bottom of page 6, next to last paragraph > | >> says "wsouse"; should say "wsmouse". > | > This isn't a FreeBSD manual page, so I don't think there's much we can > | > do about it. You'd probably be better off reporting the problem to the > | > XFree86 Project. > | > I'll close this PR soon unless anyone objects. > | I think I'll object. > | > | I'm just wondering, isn't there a way to passing this bug > | directly to the XFree86 group? > > Yes, you can email the XFree86 group yourself, just like > you sent a PR. > Perhaps, I wasn't clear about how I'm using the word "directly". In this context, I mean that the "directly" from FreeBSD-gnats. It's well known that XFree86 has a bug reporting system, but bugs like this get passed around like a sour apple. People knows it's sour, but prefer to have someone else taste it. > | This bug/mis-spelling is just something that needs to be > | corrected. It's minor; we can both agree on that, but > | passing the buck puts in the same boat as some poor > | commercial software (M$). > > No, it is called seperation of tasks and the open source > development models. > I don't concur. "Seperation of tasks" usually involve tasks that don't merit replication. Certainly FreeBSD can gain by providing a response that is much more pro-active. For instance, instead of "hey it's not our don't bug us with it" response. FreeBSD could say: The bug/PR you've outlined is not in the control/responsibility of FreeBSD. However, as a courtesy to yourself and the developer of the application you are reporting we are forwarding this PR to the application developer. As such, the PR is being marked closed as we can not provide any appropriate resolution. Simplicity comes in many forms. In this case, FreeBSD gains by showing it's willing to take some effort to resolve the situation. Further, this matter, a mear mis-spelling is trivial by any measure. I beleive we could all gain by such an improvement to gnats. best regards, Jessem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 4:45:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1DC37B479 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 04:45:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eACCiUg02726; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:44:30 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:44:29 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: opentrax@email.com Cc: keichii@peorth.iteration.net, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/22042: spelling error Message-ID: <20001112124429.E1752@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20001112050923.C7123@peorth.iteration.net> <200011121132.DAA04127@spammie.svbug.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011121132.DAA04127@spammie.svbug.com>; from opentrax@email.com on Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 03:32:31AM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 03:32:31AM -0800, opentrax@email.com wrote: > I don't concur. "Seperation of tasks" usually involve > tasks that don't merit replication. Certainly FreeBSD can > gain by providing a response that is much more pro-active. There is no "FreeBSD" in this context. Just people. In this case, time is a resource that we don't have enough of. Rather than have a committer spend the five minutes composing an e-mail to the XFree86 folk, it is a better use of resources if the original PR sender does so. The committer can then concentrate on working through the rest of the PR database. Yes, in an ideal world we would be able to shepherd PRs about non-core parts of FreeBSD to the appropriate third party. However, it's much more effective if people like you take up the baton to help. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 4:45:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06B537B479; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 04:45:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eACCg6l02717; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:42:06 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:42:05 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: opentrax@email.com Cc: nik@FreeBSD.ORG, ben@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/22043: fstab cache annoyance Message-ID: <20001112124204.D1752@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20001112105659.A1752@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <200011121121.DAA04105@spammie.svbug.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011121121.DAA04105@spammie.svbug.com>; from opentrax@email.com on Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 03:21:05AM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 03:21:05AM -0800, opentrax@email.com wrote: > >> > For utilities that rely on fstab (mount, fsck, ...), > >> > the lookup in fstab(5) fails until the table is > >> > re-read; usually a re-read via reboot. > >> > >> Utilities that read fstab read it themselves, there is no cache in the > >> way you imply. I'm not sure what the problem is. > > > > Seconded. I couldn't duplicate the behaviour described in the PR. > > > I can readily reproduce the errors, but perhaps my description > was not clear enough. I'll review the PR and update it > if the description is not clear enough. What I did: # grep cdrom2 /etc/fstab # mkdir /cdrom2 # mount /cdrom2 mount: /cdrom2: unknown special file or file system # echo '/dev/acd0c /cdrom2 cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0' >> /etc/fstab # mount /cdrom2 At which point the CD was mounted. I see no caching of /etc/fstab in this sequence of commands. If you've got commands that differ, please show an example in the PR. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 5: 9:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8210137B661 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 05:09:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id OAA06561; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 14:07:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13uwrI-0006l9-00; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 14:07:44 +0100 Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 14:07:44 +0100 From: Szilveszter Adam To: opentrax@email.com Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/22042: spelling error Message-ID: <20001112140744.A23644@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: opentrax@email.com, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <20001112050923.C7123@peorth.iteration.net> <200011121132.DAA04127@spammie.svbug.com> <20001112124429.E1752@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20001112124429.E1752@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 12:44:29PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 12:44:29PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 03:32:31AM -0800, opentrax@email.com wrote: > > I don't concur. "Seperation of tasks" usually involve > > tasks that don't merit replication. Certainly FreeBSD can > > gain by providing a response that is much more pro-active. I do not agree. Just think about it. The PR system does record every single PR ever sent, even after it is closed. Why? Because people might find it useful later to browse the PR database and see how a problem was resolved (or why it wasn't despite the PR being closed) Now think about your suggestion: The PR system would end up with many entries that only say: Thank you, forwarded! and then are closed. These are worthless as PRs. They just take up space and make maintaining and using the database more difficult. Also, as Nik pointed out, they take up a developler's time just to type this "Thank you!" note to you and send (possibly only forward) your query to the other party. This is not even about people not having time: This is simply not the way things work. If we took it upon us to, say, take PRs for X then soon people like you would ask: "Why can't I just enter a PR about a port and you guys contact the author? It would be soooo proactive!" It surely would be very convenient to you, but the FreeBSD PR system is *not* meant to be your one-stop-shop for all problems related to your use of a computer with FreeBSD on it. (esp since X is not even a base system. And don't argue that it comes on the same CD and can be installed by sysinstall, since all of the ports are the same in this regard, too.) No commercial vendor, even the ones who charge for support contracts, will take and forward bug-reoprts for you. Neither will the grocery store forward your query/complaints to the pharmacy or the hardware store. You will have to do it, by yourself in both cases. This has got nothing to do with FreeBSD being the best OS or not. This is the way things work. You have to address your problems to where they belong. You can ask, where they belong, but after that you have to go there. The only exception to this is rule is public administration in many countries: Even if you file say a form with the wrong agency they will forward it for you. But this is the *only* exception and only so because they are required to do so by law. -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 7:52:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from racine.cybercable.fr (racine.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BD8D237B479 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 07:52:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3977194 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2000 15:52:14 -0000 Received: from s011.dhcp212-229.cybercable.fr (HELO gits.dyndns.org) ([212.198.229.11]) (envelope-sender ) by racine.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 12 Nov 2000 15:52:14 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by gits.dyndns.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eACFqAG10748; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 16:52:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from clefevre@cybercable.fr) Original-Sender: Cyrille Lefevre Original-Sender: Cyrille Lefevre To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/22676: No man pages for Make.conf or /usr/src/sys/Makefile References: <200011090820.AAA85763@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Face: V|+c;4!|B?E%BE^{E6);aI.[<97Zd*>^#%Y5Cxv;%Y[PT-LW3;A:fRrJ8+^k"e7@+30g0YD0*^^3jgyShN7o?a]C la*Zv'5NA,=963bM%J^o]C In-Reply-To: Sheldon Hearn's message of "Thu, 9 Nov 2000 00:20:01 -0800 (PST)" From: Cyrille Lefevre Reply-To: Cyrille Lefevre Mail-Copies-To: never Date: 12 Nov 2000 16:52:03 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 49 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Canyonlands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sheldon Hearn writes: > On Wed, 08 Nov 2000 09:30:32 CST, Mike Meyer wrote: > > > First, build(7) doesn't document a single file, but a process. Of > > course, it duplicates information in the files that take place in the > > process - but what man page doesn't duplicate information from the > > sources? > > You're right. I stand down for build(7) (in other words, I think it's a > good idea), but still don't think that make.conf(5) is a good idea. this thread remember me an identical discution in some ml (-current I guess) about the self documentation of /sys/i386/conf/LINT from sources to make it up-to-date. the summary of this, do nothing. for instance, the summary of this thread is... do-nothing. well, from my point of view, we are not going forward this way. consider the newbie point of view. you are saying that there is no one oint of documentation, but many. sometimes, it's there, somethimes, it's out there. while a simple man should suffice. the answer is, one entry point, and the current entry point is not the good one (read /etc/defaults/make.conf). much better is something like this : $ cat /etc/defaults/make.conf # # see make.conf(5) for the description of possible values in the file. # # BDECFLAGS are a set of gcc warning settings that Bruce Evans has suggested # for use in developing FreeBSD and testing changes. They can be used by # putting "CFLAGS+=${BDECFLAGS}" in /etc/make.conf. # BDECFLAGS= -W -Wall -ansi -pedantic -Wbad-function-cast -Wcast-align \ -Wcast-qual -Wchar-subscripts -Wconversion -Winline \ -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith \ -Wredundant-decls -Wshadow -Wstrict-prototypes -Wwrite-strings $ man make.conf ... that's it. Cyrille. -- home: mailto:clefevre@citeweb.net work: mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre@edf.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 7:58: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from eos.ocn.ne.jp (eos.ocn.ne.jp [210.190.142.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F78337B4C5; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 07:57:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.hrslab.yi.org (p0189-ip01funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp [211.123.225.189]) by eos.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id AAA25283; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 00:57:57 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200011121557.AAA25283@eos.ocn.ne.jp> Received: from localhost (alph.hrslab.yi.org [192.168.0.10]) by mail.hrslab.yi.org (8.9.3/3.7W/DomainMaster) with ESMTP id AAA28600; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 00:35:42 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) To: nik@freebsd.org Cc: kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New syncstat URL In-Reply-To: <20001112110636.B1752@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <7m4s1fgaid.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> <20001112110636.B1752@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 00:35:41 +0900 From: Hiroki Sato X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 17 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton wrote in <20001112110636.B1752@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>: > Connected to cvsup.jp.freebsd.org > Server message: Unknown collection "doc-jp" > Skipping collection doc-jp/cvs Please try "jp-doc-jp". # "doc-jp" is the correct directory name, # but it is invalid as a name of cvsup collection. -- | Hiroki Sato | | sato@sekine00.ee.noda.sut.ac.jp (UNIV) | hrs@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD Project) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 8: 7:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from post.webmailer.de (natmail2.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8191837B479 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:07:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from umktgghc (host-209-214-45-92.mob.bellsouth.net [209.214.45.92]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA11449 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:07:32 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200011121607.RAA11449@post.webmailer.de> From: "Moritz Hardt" To: "freebsd-doc@freebsd.org" Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 10:07:24 -0500 Reply-To: "Moritz Hardt" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD FAQ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, while I was going thru the FreeBSD-FAQ on a win95-machine with ie4, i found something really strange: The text was displayed out of my screen on the left side, so that, you couldn't read parts of it. The url is: http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/preface.html#WHY-CALLED-FREEBSD And the responsible html-tag for that strange behaviour is:
    ...
Does anyone know, why they put in that tag? And, especially, only on one paragraph. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 8:12:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B952037B479 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:12:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eACFPWn04717; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:25:32 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:25:32 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/22675: Function is gone, but the man page lingers on Message-ID: <20001112152532.G1752@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200011081220.EAA13901@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011081220.EAA13901@freefall.freebsd.org>; from sheldonh@uunet.co.za on Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 04:20:06AM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 04:20:06AM -0800, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > The following reply was made to PR docs/22675; it has been noted by GNATS. > > From: Sheldon Hearn > To: Mike Meyer > Cc: Chris Faulhaber , > freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: docs/22675: Function is gone, but the man page lingers on > Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:17:14 +0200 > > On Tue, 07 Nov 2000 19:51:38 CST, Mike Meyer wrote: > > > In which case, I missed it and you can just close the pr. Though I > > think adding the -lcompat line would still be a good idea. > > I think this manpage just needs the new .Lb macro. I've just had a very quick look. There is no .Lb macro for libcompat. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 8:12:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F3537B479 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eACFP0004706; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:25:00 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:25:00 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Josh Paetzel Cc: jim@lust.geekhouse.net, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: conspectus for FreeBSD-questions Message-ID: <20001112152459.F1752@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <000501c04996$46eaf820$0200000a@vladsempire.net> <20001108104523.A90012@envy.geekhouse.net> <003701c049bc$76e25e80$0200000a@vladsempire.net> <20001108152201.A522@envy.geekhouse.net> <012101c04a18$5ce117e0$0200000a@vladsempire.net> <20001109001032.B2961@envy.geekhouse.net> <00d901c04aac$9dd9c960$0200000a@vladsempire.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00d901c04aac$9dd9c960$0200000a@vladsempire.net>; from jpaetzel@hutchtel.net on Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 06:24:39PM -0600 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 06:24:39PM -0600, Josh Paetzel wrote: > I am thinking about a freebsd-questions FAQ, as in, please read before you > post to freebsd-questions, not the general freebsd-FAQ. I think this would > help to keep some of the redundant questions down....it would also give > you/us another chance to put in the plea to please use a meaningful topic > when you post and so on and so forth. Good idea. Didn't Greg Lehey post something like this to -questions on a regular basis? > I pulled down the docproj port and all that....Are you thinking that I would > modify the webpage that people use to access the conspectus? Ideally, yes. > If so I will > need to throw some more drives in my FreeBSD box....I don't think I have the > 600 megs free that it takes to build the webpages. Huh? The complete www/ CVS repository is 20MB. Checked out, it's less than 9.6MB. I don't know where you got the 600MB figure from. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 8:18:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00E037B681; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:18:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA19253; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:18:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:18:11 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011121618.IAA19253@freefall.freebsd.org> To: andrew@ugh.net.au, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/22644: Missing links for reentrant time functions Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Missing links for reentrant time functions State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Sun Nov 12 08:18:01 PST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Missing links added. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=22644 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 8:20: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708B637B479 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:20:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA19392; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:20:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:20:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011121620.IAA19392@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: docs/22470: minor bug in msgrcv(3) documentation Reply-To: Nik Clayton Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/22470; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Nik Clayton To: bjorn@west.se Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/22470: minor bug in msgrcv(3) documentation Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:45:26 +0000 On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 10:26:24AM +0100, bjorn@west.se wrote: > The BUGS section in the manpage clearly states that ENOMSG isn't defined or > used when you have IPC_NOWAIT. > This seems to be fixed (i.e. msgrcv(..., ..., ..., ..., IPC_NOWAIT) correctly > returns ENOMSG). > I know this might sound pedantic, but it'll atleast save some hassle for > other developers out there. I've just had a quick look, and can't see where the code for this is kept. Can you point me at it, so that I can verify the behaviour you describe. Thanks, N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 8:20: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A61937B479 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:20:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA19405; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:20:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:20:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011121620.IAA19405@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: docs/20528: sysconf(3) manpage doesn't mention posix.1b options Reply-To: Nik Clayton Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20528; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Nik Clayton To: Matthias Buelow Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/20528: sysconf(3) manpage doesn't mention posix.1b options Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 16:01:18 +0000 On Thu, Aug 10, 2000 at 11:07:58PM +0200, Matthias Buelow wrote: > The sysconf(3) manual page doesn't mention many sysconf option constants > as defined under the "POSIX.1B sysconf options" section in > /usr/include/sys/unistd.h, such as _SC_PAGESIZE. > Most of these are usually documented in the sysconf(3) manpage on other > systems such as HP-UX, although some differences between header file > and manpage exist there also. Not being terribly familiar with this chunk of FreeBSD, it would be a great help if you could send a patch that includes the descriptions you would like to see added to sysconf(3). Thanks, N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 8:20:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622C837B479; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:20:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA19553; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:20:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:20:50 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011121620.IAA19553@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dima@unixfreak.org, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/22627: Answering questions about the meaning of -RC and -BETA is repetitive. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Answering questions about the meaning of -RC and -BETA is repetitive. State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Sun Nov 12 08:20:30 PST 2000 State-Changed-Why: COmmitted, ta. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=22627 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 8:25:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4822E37B4C5; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:25:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA20080; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:25:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:25:56 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011121625.IAA20080@freefall.freebsd.org> To: nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/22618: [Patch] heap(3) man page malformed Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [Patch] heap(3) man page malformed State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Sun Nov 12 08:25:28 PST 2000 State-Changed-Why: This is third party software, and as such, we try not to make changes to our copy of it. Please submit these changes back to the BIND maintainers, and we will pick up the improvements next time we update our copy of BIND. Thanks. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=22618 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 8:27: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77AB537B479; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA20232; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:26:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:26:59 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011121626.IAA20232@freefall.freebsd.org> To: andrew@ugh.net.au, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/22601: Missing links for namei.9 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Missing links for namei.9 State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Sun Nov 12 08:26:12 PST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Fixed in 1.76 of the Makefile. Thanks. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=22601 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 8:28:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0377337B479; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:28:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA20431; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:28:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:28:15 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011121628.IAA20431@freefall.freebsd.org> To: lwa@victor.teaser.fr, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/22570: wrong entries in iso3166 (FX, PS) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: wrong entries in iso3166 (FX, PS) State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Sun Nov 12 08:28:02 PST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Fixed, thanks. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=22570 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 8:30:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED14A37B479; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:30:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA20783; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:30:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:30:50 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011121630.IAA20783@freefall.freebsd.org> To: hagi@nandemo.gr.jp, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/20067: src/sbin/nologin/nologin.5 is bad place Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: src/sbin/nologin/nologin.5 is bad place State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Sun Nov 12 08:30:01 PST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Updated the descriptive text in the man page, which should help avoid confusion. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20067 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 10:26: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F0D37B4C5; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 10:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from billf@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA34834; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 10:25:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 10:25:59 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011121825.KAA34834@freefall.freebsd.org> To: opentrax@email.com, billf@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/22043: fstab cache annoyance Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: fstab cache annoyance State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: billf State-Changed-When: Sun Nov 12 10:23:17 PST 2000 State-Changed-Why: There is no such thing as a fstab cache, this file is read every time, as experienced by thousands of sysadmins daily. For more information please view the source for the getfsent() family of functions. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=22043 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 10:44:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D3F37B479 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 10:44:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E48CF1C41; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 13:44:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 13:44:44 -0500 From: Bill Fumerola To: opentrax@email.com Cc: keichii@peorth.iteration.net, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/22042: spelling error Message-ID: <20001112134444.E37870@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: <20001112050923.C7123@peorth.iteration.net> <200011121132.DAA04127@spammie.svbug.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200011121132.DAA04127@spammie.svbug.com>; from opentrax@email.com on Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 03:32:31AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Nov 12, 2000 at 03:32:31AM -0800, opentrax@email.com wrote: > Perhaps, I wasn't clear about how I'm using the word "directly". > In this context, I mean that the "directly" from FreeBSD-gnats. > It's well known that XFree86 has a bug reporting system, but > bugs like this get passed around like a sour apple. People > knows it's sour, but prefer to have someone else taste it. I'm about 1000mi overdue for an oil change and I have a quarter tank of gas left. I, however, will go to both a quicklube[1] and a gas station to fix this. Just because both places (gas station and quicklube / FreeBSD GNATS and XFree86 GNATS) perform similar functions (putting fluids in an automobile / fixing errors in man pages) doesn't mean that both are appropriate. Making local changes to XFree86 without contributing them back doesn't help XFree86 fundamentally fix the problem, nor does it make us good citizens. It is also difficult because the changes will possibly later conflict (we fixed the spelling error, but they removed the reference, now the patch breaks the build). Is it technically possible to fix it? Yes. Is it the policy of FreeBSD to submit man page fixes back to the vendor in the hopes that they will be locally adapted? Yes. -- Bill Fumerola - billf@chimesnet.com / billf@FreeBSD.org 1. e-mails about how easy it is to change your own oil will be ignored. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 10:49:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17ED37B479; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 10:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from billf@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA36634; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 10:49:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 10:49:48 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011121849.KAA36634@freefall.freebsd.org> To: opentrax@email.com, billf@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/22042: spelling error Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: spelling error State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: billf State-Changed-When: Sun Nov 12 10:38:06 PST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Bugs in XFree86 can be reported to XFree86@XFree86.org as stated in Question A.17 in the XFree86 FAQ. XFree86 is not part of the FreeBSD base tree, so future PRs should also be addressed as "ports" and not "docs" bugs. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=22042 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 13:59: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from vega.uli.it (vega.uli.it [62.212.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991E137B479 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 13:58:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from olgeni.uli.it (olgeni.uli.it [62.212.0.22]) by vega.uli.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309533B013 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:58:56 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:59:17 +0100 (CET) From: Jimmy Olgeni X-Sender: olgeni@olgeni.localdomain.net To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: typo in xl(4) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Just caught a typo in xl(4): abso -> also, when explaining the 100baseTX option. bye, Jimmy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 16:10: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5190037B479 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 16:10:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id QAA73460; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 16:10:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 16:10:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011130010.QAA73460@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Lowell Gilbert Subject: Re: docs/22694: submission of new FAQ text on fixing broken startup files Reply-To: Lowell Gilbert Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/22694; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Lowell Gilbert To: Ben Smithurst Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/22694: submission of new FAQ text on fixing broken startup files Date: 12 Nov 2000 19:06:49 -0500 Ben Smithurst writes: > lowell@world.std.com wrote: > > > + > > + I made a mistake in my startup files, and now the box > > + won't boot: how do I fix my mistake? > > + > > + > > + See the > > + previous question, > > + except edit the startup file in question instead of doing > > + passwd root. > > + > > + > > Isn't the "I made a mistake in rc.conf, and now I can't edit it because > the filesystem is read-only. What should I do?" question good enough? One would think. [Two possible translations: either I'm annoyed that so many people manage to miss that question, or I had missed it myself. Note that those are *not* mutually exclusive.] Please go ahead and close the PR, although adding "or other startup files" to the question in, um, question, might be a good idea. - Lowell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 21:21:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (mg136-070.ricochet.net [204.179.136.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C0C437B4C5 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 21:21:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05103; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 21:23:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200011130523.VAA05103@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 21:23:15 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: Re: typo in xl(4) To: olgeni@uli.it Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 12 Nov, Jimmy Olgeni wrote: > > Hi, > > Just caught a typo in xl(4): abso -> also, when explaining the > 100baseTX option. > Could I impose on you to make a more descriptive explaination and post it via PR? You could post a PR (Problem Report) to: http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html If you do this, please make sure to mark it as a 'doc' bug. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 22: 4:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f81.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40DD37B479 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:04:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:04:34 -0800 Received: from 196.27.0.30 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 06:04:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [196.27.0.30] From: "Fawaz Talal" To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: The FreeBSD Handbook Translation Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:04:34 EET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2000 06:04:34.0440 (UTC) FILETIME=[988EA880:01C04D37] Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sir, I am translating The FreeBSD Handbook to Arabic Language, and I would like to keep up-to-date with any changes on the Handbook. I keep tracking the rtf format from the following link, hopefully I am not mistaken: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/index.html If there is any easier way to keep tracking and be up-to-date with any changes on the project, I would like to know. Thanking you in advance, all! Fawaz, aka Bold _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 12 22:17:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hyd.paknet.com.pk (unknown [203.135.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4629937B479 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:17:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from hyd.paknet.com.pk ([203.135.27.65]) by hyd.paknet.com.pk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA06544 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:15:45 -0500 (GMT) Message-ID: <3A0F864B.32CA909F@hyd.paknet.com.pk> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:12:27 +0500 From: Syed Ali Akber Shah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: unix-help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear respected Sir/Madam, I am Ali from Pakistan. I am a student of M.Sc final in Telecommunication Technology here in sindh Univresity Jamshoro.As a sudent of Masters I want to do some work on Unix Operating system (I have already done the course of Windows NT)or in other words you can say that I want to do any prject on Unix based operating system therfore I need your help that What kind of Project I should do. I hope that you will help me.Please reply me as soon as possible. Yours faithfully Syed Ali Akber shah Institute of Information Technology University opf sindh,Jamshoro Sindh, Pakistan Home Address E-3 C/4 P.T.C colony Latifabad #7 hyderabad, Sindh Pakistan Post code # 71800 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 13 1:11:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891C237B4CF for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 01:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eACMmRS07290 for doc@freebsd.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:48:27 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:48:27 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Indexing in DocBook Message-ID: <20001112224826.A7270@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Folks, Attached, find a first draft at support for automatic index generation. This is so that people can play around with it, and let me know what breaks. Of course, if it breaks, feel free to fix it :-) The patch touches a number of files: .../fdp-primer/* I needed something to test it on, so I've added a couple of simple index entries to the primer. Note the use of ... and the "significance" attribute that I use once. doc.docbook.mk Introduce the GEN_INDEX variable, and conditionally build the index.sgml file if it's defined. This only works for HTML at the moment, I haven't investigated doing it for PS and PDF. This probably means that PS and PDF generation will be broken -- naturally, I don't intend to commit any of this until that's solved. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=diff Index: en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/fdp-primer/book.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/fdp-primer/book.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.12 diff -u -r1.12 book.sgml --- en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/fdp-primer/book.sgml 2000/07/16 16:36:17 1.12 +++ en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/fdp-primer/book.sgml 2000/11/12 21:55:37 @@ -37,6 +37,7 @@ %chapters; + ]> @@ -282,7 +283,8 @@ &chap.see-also; &app.examples; - + + &index;