From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 26 4:36: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D6CDA37B4CF for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 04:36:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29241 invoked by uid 0); 26 Nov 2000 12:36:03 -0000 Received: from 213?21?38?4.surf-callino.de (HELO gmx.net) (213.21.38.4) by mail.gmx.net (mail05) with SMTP; 26 Nov 2000 12:36:03 -0000 Message-ID: <3A2103AF.FDB85C1F@gmx.net> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 13:35:59 +0100 From: Robert Drehmel Reply-To: robert@gizmo.quizbot.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Willson Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/cvsup.html References: <02c201c0577f$735cd260$727e03cb@apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In <02c201c0577f$735cd260$727e03cb@apana.org.au>, Bob Willson wrote: > The CVSup file below uses a short cut that appears to be \ > incorrect as it refers to the files on my machine > not yours. Generally, people reading the FreeBSD handbook actually use a FreeBSD system, so the link is correct. > > A.5.3. CVSup Configuration > > CVSup's operation is controlled by a configuration file \ > called the supfile. There are some sample supfiles in the > directory /usr/share/examples/cvsup/. > > It refers to file:///usr/share/examples/cvsup/ You can find these files at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/share/examples/cvsup/ -- Robert S. F. Drehmel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 26 5:24:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6315D37B479; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 05:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id FAA04262; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 05:24:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 05:24:11 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011261324.FAA04262@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mwm@mired.org, ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/23106: [PATCH] chflag failures when installing new kernels is now a FAQ. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [PATCH] chflag failures when installing new kernels is now a FAQ. State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ben State-Changed-When: Sun Nov 26 13:23:24 GMT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed (with minor modifications), thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23106 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 26 6:58:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from miki.instinct.org (miki.instinct.org [213.253.1.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9F237B479 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 06:58:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pgl@localhost) by miki.instinct.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA68626 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 15:01:08 GMT (envelope-from pgl) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 15:01:07 +0000 From: Peter Lowe To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: od Message-ID: <20001126150107.A68587@uk.clara.net> Reply-To: pgl@uk.clara.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hello. I hope this is the right address to be mailing. if not, feel free to be abusive about the fact that I haven't read the right docs. I was going to ask why there was no proper man page for od(1), but I think that's fairly easy to answer - noone's written one. so instead I thought I'd point out that there's no proper man page for od(1). bye! -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 26 8:16:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968A737B479 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 08:16:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eAQG8bx06940; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 16:08:37 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 16:08:36 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Peter Lowe Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: od Message-ID: <20001126160836.A6889@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20001126150107.A68587@uk.clara.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001126150107.A68587@uk.clara.net>; from pgl@uk.clara.net on Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 03:01:07PM +0000 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 03:01:07PM +0000, Peter Lowe wrote: > so instead I thought I'd point out > that there's no proper man page for od(1). Define "proper". On my system, od(1) contains brief information explaining that od has been deprecated in favour of hexdump(1). The hexdump man page contains lots of information. What do you see? N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 26 8:16:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF5A37B479 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 08:16:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eAQGGD506978; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 16:16:13 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 16:16:12 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Rich Morin Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: finding "PMake - A Tutorial" Message-ID: <20001126161612.B6889@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20001124152233.A1928@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20001124233159.A1091@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rdm@cfcl.com on Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 04:19:02PM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 04:19:02PM -0800, Rich Morin wrote: > At 11:31 PM +0000 11/24/00, Nik Clayton wrote: > >My general feeling is that if people want to build the docs from source > >then they should track the CVS tree. If they just want to install > >the documentation then use the tarballs or the packages from the FTP > >site. > > > >As ever, I'm prepared to be convinced otherwise. > > Tracking the CVS tree is a higher level of involvement than many > users are interested in - just installing a "stable" release on > occasion is about the right level for most users. So, by your > theory, folks who want this level of involvement should be able > to say that they want all the source code installed by clicking > a button, but should have to FTP and unpack each tarball? Folks who just want the documentation on their system should use the packages, as described at http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/preface.html#DOC-FORMATS which includes an example of using pkg_add to download and install the most recent version of the FAQ. > Let's make it EASY for folks to have good, complete docs. Or am > I missing the point of this exercise? Short of fiddling with sysinstall, that's about as easy as I can make it. What else would you like it to do? N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 26 8:30:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from miki.instinct.org (miki.instinct.org [213.253.1.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9116837B479; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 08:30:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pgl@localhost) by miki.instinct.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA68885; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 16:33:19 GMT (envelope-from pgl) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 16:33:19 +0000 From: Peter Lowe To: Nik Clayton Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: od Message-ID: <20001126163319.A68842@uk.clara.net> Reply-To: pgl@uk.clara.net References: <20001126150107.A68587@uk.clara.net> <20001126160836.A6889@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20001126160836.A6889@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 04:08:36PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Nov 26, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 03:01:07PM +0000, Peter Lowe wrote: > > so instead I thought I'd point out > > that there's no proper man page for od(1). > > Define "proper". On my system, od(1) contains brief information > explaining that od has been deprecated in favour of hexdump(1). The > hexdump man page contains lots of information. > > What do you see? the same, but I was curious to know what all the options do: SYNOPSIS od [-aBbcDdeFfHhIiLlOovXx] [[+]offset[.][Bb]] file I came across something that recommended using piping output through od -c to look for \0 strings. I'm quite happy to use hexdump(1), but how do I tell what the corresponding option is? I've never used od(1) before and I don't know what the -c argument does. I should have included this before, but I'm using FreeBSD 3.4. regards, peter lowe. -- This is not the signature you are looking for. Move along. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 26 8:58:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cfcl.com (unknown [24.221.169.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECAE537B479 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 08:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.168.205] (cerberus [192.168.168.205]) by cfcl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA99986 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 08:58:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001126163319.A68842@uk.clara.net> References: <20001126150107.A68587@uk.clara.net> <20001126160836.A6889@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20001126163319.A68842@uk.clara.net> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 08:52:58 -0800 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org From: Rich Morin Subject: Re: od Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From a 4.1 system gives the following explanation, which would seem to cover everything except the purpose of the -P, -p, or -w options and the `label'' component of the offset syntax (:-). -r OD(1) FreeBSD General Commands Manual OD(1) NAME od - octal, decimal, hex, ASCII dump SYNOPSIS od [-aBbcDdeFfHhIiLlOovXx] [[+]offset[.][Bb]] file DESCRIPTION Od has been deprecated in favor of hexdump(1). Hexdump, if called as od, provides compatibility for the options listed above. It does not provide compatibility for the -s option (see strings(1)) or the -P, -p, or -w options, nor is compatibility provided for the ``la- bel'' component of the offset syntax. SEE ALSO hexdump(1), strings(1) BUGS Quite a few. HISTORY A od command appeared in Version 1 AT&T UNIX. BSD May 27, 1994 1 -- -- Rich Morin: rdm@cfcl.com, +1 650-873-7841, http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Prime Time Freeware: info@ptf.com, +1 408-433-9662, http://www.ptf.com MacPerl: http://www.macperl.com, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MPPE MkLinux: http://www.mklinux.org, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MKLP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 26 9: 0:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D5E37B4D7 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:00:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA33266; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:00:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from vega.uli.it (vega.uli.it [62.212.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C39537B479 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 08:58:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from olgeni.localdomain.net (olgeni.uli.it [62.212.0.22]) by vega.uli.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71BC73B00E for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:58:28 +0100 (CET) Received: (from olgeni@localhost) by olgeni.localdomain.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAQGwpv03274; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:58:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olgeni) Message-Id: <200011261658.eAQGwpv03274@olgeni.localdomain.net> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:58:52 +0100 (CET) From: olgeni@uli.it Reply-To: olgeni@uli.it To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/23109: Fixes to disklabel.8 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 23109 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Fixes to disklabel.8 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Nov 26 09:00:07 PST 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jimmy Olgeni >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 >Organization: Colby >Environment: FreeBSD olgeni.localdomain.net 4.2-STABLE FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #0: Sun Nov 26 14:31:46 CET 2000 olgeni@olgeni.localdomain.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BSDBOX i386 >Description: The disklabel.8 man page needs some spelling and layout fixes. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Patch /usr/src/sbin/disklabel/disklabel.8: *** disklabel.8.orig Sun Nov 26 15:58:00 2000 --- disklabel.8 Sun Nov 26 16:16:52 2000 *************** *** 333,339 **** .if n This form corresponds to the "write label" command described above. In addition to writing a new volume label, it also installs the bootstrap. If run on a base disk this command will create a ``dangerously-dedicated'' ! label. This command is normally run on a slice rather then a base disk. .Pp .Nm disklabel .Fl R --- 333,339 ---- .if n This form corresponds to the "write label" command described above. In addition to writing a new volume label, it also installs the bootstrap. If run on a base disk this command will create a ``dangerously-dedicated'' ! label. This command is normally run on a slice rather than a base disk. .Pp .Nm disklabel .Fl R *************** *** 349,355 **** .if n This form corresponds to the "restore label" command described above. In addition to restoring the volume label, it also installs the bootstrap. If run on a base disk this command will create a ``dangerously-dedicated'' ! label. This command is normally run on a slice rather then a base disk. .Pp The bootstrap commands always access the disk directly, so it is not necessary to specify the --- 349,355 ---- .if n This form corresponds to the "restore label" command described above. In addition to restoring the volume label, it also installs the bootstrap. If run on a base disk this command will create a ``dangerously-dedicated'' ! label. This command is normally run on a slice rather than a base disk. .Pp The bootstrap commands always access the disk directly, so it is not necessary to specify the *************** *** 409,422 **** .It Use .Ar disklabel ! to edit your newly created label, addiing appropriate partitions. .It Finally newfs the filesystem partitions you created in the label. A typical ! disklabel partiioning scheme would be to have an ``a'' partition of approximately 128MB to hold the root filesystem, a ``b'' partition for swap, a ``d'' partition for /var (usually 128MB), an ``e'' partition for /var/tmp (usually 128MB), an ``f'' partition for /usr (usually around 2G), ! and finally a ``g'' partition for /home (usally all remaining space). Your mileage may vary. .El .Pp --- 409,422 ---- .It Use .Ar disklabel ! to edit your newly created label, adding appropriate partitions. .It Finally newfs the filesystem partitions you created in the label. A typical ! disklabel partitioning scheme would be to have an ``a'' partition of approximately 128MB to hold the root filesystem, a ``b'' partition for swap, a ``d'' partition for /var (usually 128MB), an ``e'' partition for /var/tmp (usually 128MB), an ``f'' partition for /usr (usually around 2G), ! and finally a ``g'' partition for /home (usually all remaining space). Your mileage may vary. .El .Pp *************** *** 528,533 **** --- 528,534 ---- For UFS file systems, the number of cylinders in a cylinder group. For LFS file systems, the segment shift value. .El + .Pp The remainder of the line is a comment and shows the cylinder allocations based on the obsolete (but possibly correct) geometry information about the drive. The asterisk (*) indicates that the partition does not begin or end exactly on a >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 26 9: 0:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B24B37B4F9 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:00:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA33284; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:00:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from vega.uli.it (vega.uli.it [62.212.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 046C337B4C5 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 08:59:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from olgeni.localdomain.net (olgeni.uli.it [62.212.0.22]) by vega.uli.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705563B00E for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:59:32 +0100 (CET) Received: (from olgeni@localhost) by olgeni.localdomain.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAQGxu103516; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:59:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olgeni) Message-Id: <200011261659.eAQGxu103516@olgeni.localdomain.net> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:59:56 +0100 (CET) From: olgeni@uli.it Reply-To: olgeni@uli.it To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/23111: Fixes for ppp.8 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 23111 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Fixes for ppp.8 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Nov 26 09:00:08 PST 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jimmy Olgeni >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 >Organization: Colby >Environment: FreeBSD olgeni.localdomain.net 4.2-STABLE FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #0: Sun Nov 26 14:31:46 CET 2000 olgeni@olgeni.localdomain.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BSDBOX i386 >Description: Some typos and layout fixes. This man page also references pppoe(8), which does not exist on FreeBSD (not fixed in the patch). >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Patch /usr/src/usr.sbin/ppp/ppp.8: *** ppp.8.orig Sun Nov 26 16:26:31 2000 --- ppp.8 Sun Nov 26 17:43:52 2000 *************** *** 32,38 **** .Fl nat flag (or .Fl alias ! flag for backwards compatability) does the equivalent of a .Dq nat enable yes , enabling .Nm Ns No 's --- 32,38 ---- .Fl nat flag (or .Fl alias ! flag for backwards compatibility) does the equivalent of a .Dq nat enable yes , enabling .Nm Ns No 's *************** *** 1009,1015 **** will keep trying until a connection is made. .El .Pp ! So, for example; .Bd -literal -offset indent set redial 10.3 4 .Ed --- 1009,1015 ---- will keep trying until a connection is made. .El .Pp ! So, for example: .Bd -literal -offset indent set redial 10.3 4 .Ed *************** *** 1512,1518 **** .Sh PACKET FILTERING This implementation supports packet filtering. There are four kinds of ! filters; the .Em in filter, the .Em out --- 1512,1518 ---- .Sh PACKET FILTERING This implementation supports packet filtering. There are four kinds of ! filters: the .Em in filter, the .Em out *************** *** 3790,3796 **** .Pp If the first character of .Ar value ! is an exclaimation mark .Pq Dq \&! , .Nm treats the remainder of the string as a program that must be executed --- 3790,3796 ---- .Pp If the first character of .Ar value ! is an exclamation mark .Pq Dq \&! , .Nm treats the remainder of the string as a program that must be executed *************** *** 4095,4101 **** .Pp If .Ar seconds ! is followed immediately by an exclaimation mark .Pq Dq \&! , .Nm will --- 4095,4101 ---- .Pp If .Ar seconds ! is followed immediately by an exclamation mark .Pq Dq \&! , .Nm will *************** *** 4324,4330 **** To do this, the first character of the expect or send string is an exclamation mark .Pq Dq \&! . ! If a literal exclaimation mark is required, double it up to .Dq \&!! and it will be treated as a single literal .Dq \&! . --- 4324,4330 ---- To do this, the first character of the expect or send string is an exclamation mark .Pq Dq \&! . ! If a literal exclamation mark is required, double it up to .Dq \&!! and it will be treated as a single literal .Dq \&! . *************** *** 4339,4345 **** is running in interactive mode, file descriptor 3 is attached to .Pa /dev/tty . .Pp ! For example (wrapped for readability); .Bd -literal -offset indent set login "TIMEOUT 5 \\"\\" \\"\\" login:--login: ppp \e word: ppp \\"!sh \\\\-c \\\\\\"echo \\\\-n label: >&2\\\\\\"\\" \e --- 4339,4345 ---- is running in interactive mode, file descriptor 3 is attached to .Pa /dev/tty . .Pp ! For example (wrapped for readability): .Bd -literal -offset indent set login "TIMEOUT 5 \\"\\" \\"\\" login:--login: ppp \e word: ppp \\"!sh \\\\-c \\\\\\"echo \\\\-n label: >&2\\\\\\"\\" \e >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 26 9: 2:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cfcl.com (unknown [24.221.169.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B03637B479 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.168.205] (cerberus [192.168.168.205]) by cfcl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00141 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:02:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001126161612.B6889@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20001124152233.A1928@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20001124233159.A1091@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20001126161612.B6889@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:02:27 -0800 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org From: Rich Morin Subject: Re: finding "PMake - A Tutorial" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 4:16 PM +0000 11/26/00, Nik Clayton wrote: >Short of fiddling with sysinstall, that's about as easy as I can make >it. What else would you like it to do? Fiddling with sysinstall is, I think, exactly what I'm proposing. Why shouldn't there be a couple of "docs" options, along with the choices for X11, etc? To put the matter in perspective, how would folks like it if we required folks to add each X11 client or server explicitly? Basically, this is an "equal time (or at least convenience) for docs" plea. I think that folks who want complete, convenient doc sets on their machines should be able to say so at installation time, not be required to pkgadd them in, one at a time. For one thing, it isn't always clear _which_ docs will be needed, even if you already know the question you need to ask. So, I'd rather have them all... -r -- -- Rich Morin: rdm@cfcl.com, +1 650-873-7841, http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Prime Time Freeware: info@ptf.com, +1 408-433-9662, http://www.ptf.com MacPerl: http://www.macperl.com, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MPPE MkLinux: http://www.mklinux.org, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MKLP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 26 9:10: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0CFF37B4CF for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:10:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA36000; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from vega.uli.it (vega.uli.it [62.212.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C715E37B479 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:00:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from olgeni.localdomain.net (olgeni.uli.it [62.212.0.22]) by vega.uli.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42CA23B00E for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 18:00:34 +0100 (CET) Received: (from olgeni@localhost) by olgeni.localdomain.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAQH0vR03785; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 18:00:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olgeni) Message-Id: <200011261700.eAQH0vR03785@olgeni.localdomain.net> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 18:00:57 +0100 (CET) From: olgeni@uli.it Reply-To: olgeni@uli.it To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/23113: typo fix for route.8 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 23113 >Category: docs >Synopsis: typo fix for route.8 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Nov 26 09:10:01 PST 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jimmy Olgeni >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 >Organization: Colby >Environment: FreeBSD olgeni.localdomain.net 4.2-STABLE FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #0: Sun Nov 26 14:31:46 CET 2000 olgeni@olgeni.localdomain.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BSDBOX i386 >Description: Typo fix: forgot -> forget. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Patch /usr/src/sbin/route/route.8: *** route.8.orig Sun Nov 26 17:08:19 2000 --- route.8 Sun Nov 26 17:13:33 2000 *************** *** 69,75 **** when reporting actions. (The process of translating between symbolic names and numerical equivalents can be quite time consuming, and may require correct operation of the network; thus it may be expedient ! to forgot this, especially when attempting to repair networking operations). .It Fl v (verbose) Print additional details. .It Fl q --- 69,75 ---- when reporting actions. (The process of translating between symbolic names and numerical equivalents can be quite time consuming, and may require correct operation of the network; thus it may be expedient ! to forget this, especially when attempting to repair networking operations). .It Fl v (verbose) Print additional details. .It Fl q >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 26 9:10:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7887E37B4C5 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:10:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA35989; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from vega.uli.it (vega.uli.it [62.212.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A2B37B4CF for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:00:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from olgeni.localdomain.net (olgeni.uli.it [62.212.0.22]) by vega.uli.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F7E3B00F for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 18:00:05 +0100 (CET) Received: (from olgeni@localhost) by olgeni.localdomain.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAQH0Td03667; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 18:00:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olgeni) Message-Id: <200011261700.eAQH0Td03667@olgeni.localdomain.net> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 18:00:29 +0100 (CET) From: olgeni@uli.it Reply-To: olgeni@uli.it To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/23112: route.4 typo fixes Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 23112 >Category: docs >Synopsis: route.4 typo fixes >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Nov 26 09:10:01 PST 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jimmy Olgeni >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 >Organization: Colby >Environment: FreeBSD olgeni.localdomain.net 4.2-STABLE FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #0: Sun Nov 26 14:31:46 CET 2000 olgeni@olgeni.localdomain.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BSDBOX i386 >Description: Some typo fixes for route.4: compatability -> compatibility. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Patch /usr/src/share/man/man4/route.4: *** route.4.orig Sun Nov 26 16:32:24 2000 --- route.4 Sun Nov 26 17:11:51 2000 *************** *** 219,225 **** struct if_msghdr { u_short ifm_msglen; /* to skip over non-understood messages */ ! u_char ifm_version; /* future binary compatability */ u_char ifm_type; /* message type */ int ifm_addrs; /* like rtm_addrs */ int ifm_flags; /* value of if_flags */ --- 219,225 ---- struct if_msghdr { u_short ifm_msglen; /* to skip over non-understood messages */ ! u_char ifm_version; /* future binary compatibility */ u_char ifm_type; /* message type */ int ifm_addrs; /* like rtm_addrs */ int ifm_flags; /* value of if_flags */ *************** *** 229,235 **** struct ifa_msghdr { u_short ifam_msglen; /* to skip over non-understood messages */ ! u_char ifam_version; /* future binary compatability */ u_char ifam_type; /* message type */ int ifam_addrs; /* like rtm_addrs */ int ifam_flags; /* value of ifa_flags */ --- 229,235 ---- struct ifa_msghdr { u_short ifam_msglen; /* to skip over non-understood messages */ ! u_char ifam_version; /* future binary compatibility */ u_char ifam_type; /* message type */ int ifam_addrs; /* like rtm_addrs */ int ifam_flags; /* value of ifa_flags */ *************** *** 239,245 **** struct ifma_msghdr { u_short ifmam_msglen; /* to skip over non-understood messages */ ! u_char ifmam_version; /* future binary compatability */ u_char ifmam_type; /* message type */ int ifmam_addrs; /* like rtm_addrs */ int ifmam_flags; /* value of ifa_flags */ --- 239,245 ---- struct ifma_msghdr { u_short ifmam_msglen; /* to skip over non-understood messages */ ! u_char ifmam_version; /* future binary compatibility */ u_char ifmam_type; /* message type */ int ifmam_addrs; /* like rtm_addrs */ int ifmam_flags; /* value of ifa_flags */ >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 26 9:10:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6CAF37B4E5 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:10:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA36009; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from vega.uli.it (vega.uli.it [62.212.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0549737B479 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:00:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from olgeni.localdomain.net (olgeni.uli.it [62.212.0.22]) by vega.uli.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5BDD3B00E for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 18:00:55 +0100 (CET) Received: (from olgeni@localhost) by olgeni.localdomain.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAQH1J103904; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 18:01:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olgeni) Message-Id: <200011261701.eAQH1J103904@olgeni.localdomain.net> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 18:01:19 +0100 (CET) From: olgeni@uli.it Reply-To: olgeni@uli.it To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/23114: wlconfig typo fix Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 23114 >Category: docs >Synopsis: wlconfig typo fix >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Nov 26 09:10:01 PST 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jimmy Olgeni >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 >Organization: Colby >Environment: FreeBSD olgeni.localdomain.net 4.2-STABLE FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #0: Sun Nov 26 14:31:46 CET 2000 olgeni@olgeni.localdomain.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BSDBOX i386 >Description: Typo fix for wlconfig.c, wlconfig.8: compatability -> compatibility >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: *** wlconfig.8.orig Sun Nov 26 17:22:20 2000 --- wlconfig.8 Sun Nov 26 17:23:46 2000 *************** *** 107,113 **** Default MAC address : 08:00:0e:20:3d:4b Soft MAC address : 00:00:00:00:00:00 Current MAC address : Default ! Adapter compatability : PC-AT 2.4GHz Threshold preset : 1 Call code required : NO Subband : 2425MHz --- 107,113 ---- Default MAC address : 08:00:0e:20:3d:4b Soft MAC address : 00:00:00:00:00:00 Current MAC address : Default ! Adapter compatibility : PC-AT 2.4GHz Threshold preset : 1 Call code required : NO Subband : 2425MHz *** wlconfig.c.orig Sun Nov 26 17:26:12 2000 --- wlconfig.c Sun Nov 26 17:26:23 2000 *************** *** 152,158 **** printf("Soft MAC address : %02x:%02x:%02x:%02x:%02x:%02x\n", psa[0x16],psa[0x17],psa[0x18],psa[0x19],psa[0x1a],psa[0x1b]); printf("Current MAC address : %s\n",(psa[0x1c] & 0x1) ? "Soft" : "Default"); ! printf("Adapter compatability : "); if (psa[0x1d] < 5) { printf("%s\n",compat_type[psa[0x1d]]); } else { --- 152,158 ---- printf("Soft MAC address : %02x:%02x:%02x:%02x:%02x:%02x\n", psa[0x16],psa[0x17],psa[0x18],psa[0x19],psa[0x1a],psa[0x1b]); printf("Current MAC address : %s\n",(psa[0x1c] & 0x1) ? "Soft" : "Default"); ! printf("Adapter compatibility : "); if (psa[0x1d] < 5) { printf("%s\n",compat_type[psa[0x1d]]); } else { >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 26 15:33:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E50837B479; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 15:33:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dannyboy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA87615; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 15:33:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyboy@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 15:33:17 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011262333.PAA87615@freefall.freebsd.org> To: olgeni@uli.it, dannyboy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/23113: typo fix for route.8 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: typo fix for route.8 State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dannyboy State-Changed-When: Sun Nov 26 15:32:48 PST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed to HEAD and RELENG_4, thanks. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23113 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 26 15:44: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56CB637B479; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 15:44:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dannyboy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA89173; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 15:44:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyboy@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 15:44:08 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011262344.PAA89173@freefall.freebsd.org> To: olgeni@uli.it, dannyboy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/23112: route.4 typo fixes Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: route.4 typo fixes State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dannyboy State-Changed-When: Sun Nov 26 15:43:48 PST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23112 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 26 15:53:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF6737B4C5; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 15:53:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dannyboy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA90893; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 15:53:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyboy@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 15:53:27 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011262353.PAA90893@freefall.freebsd.org> To: olgeni@uli.it, dannyboy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/23114: wlconfig typo fix Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: wlconfig typo fix State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dannyboy State-Changed-When: Sun Nov 26 15:53:00 PST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23114 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 26 18:32:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7D937B4C5 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 18:32:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA62264 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 18:32:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAR2WbM59592 for doc@freebsd.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 18:32:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 18:32:36 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Porter's handbook Message-ID: <20001126183236.A59572@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can it please be linked to from http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 26 20:53:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail8.sc.rr.com (fe8.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA2D37B479 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:53:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from dbp ([24.88.122.165]) by mail8.sc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Sun, 26 Nov 2000 23:52:55 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c0582e$c0e8dc40$a57a5818@sc.rr.com> From: "Brad Price" To: Subject: Can't get into "root" account Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 23:58:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Disposition-Notification-To: "Brad Price" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I installed FreeBSD 4.2 release over the weekend - I can only login to my local user account and not the root or admin account, please help. When I boot I receive an initial "de0 cannot autosense, cabling problem? " I hit enter and it takes me to a normal login prompt, where, as I told you I can only login to my local account and it says I don't have the rights to do anything. Thank You in Advance, Brad Price To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 26 20:56:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from envy.geekhouse.net (envy.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D190937B479 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:56:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jim@localhost) by envy.geekhouse.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAR4unU01535; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:56:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:56:49 -0800 From: Jim Mock To: Brad Price Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can't get into "root" account Message-ID: <20001126205648.A1505@envy.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@lust.geekhouse.net References: <000701c0582e$c0e8dc40$a57a5818@sc.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.11i In-Reply-To: <000701c0582e$c0e8dc40$a57a5818@sc.rr.com>; from DBP@SC.RR.COM on Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 11:58:57PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 26 Nov 2000 at 23:58:57 -0500, Brad Price wrote: > I installed FreeBSD 4.2 release over the weekend - I can only login > to my local user account and not the root or admin account, please > help. When I boot I receive an initial "de0 cannot autosense, cabling > problem? " I hit enter and it takes me to a normal login prompt, > where, as I told you I can only login to my local account and it says > I don't have the rights to do anything. Recovering the root account or it's password is covered in the FAQ. Please read it. - jim -- jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 27 4:55:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com (bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com [155.208.254.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6608D37B479 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 04:55:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from hpcpbla.bri.hp.com (hpcpbla.bri.hp.com [15.144.112.65]) by bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD4F1E254; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:55:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from sse0691.bri.hp.com (sse0691.bri.hp.com [15.144.0.53]) by hpcpbla.bri.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.0) with ESMTP id MAA22001; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:55:33 GMT Received: (from steve@localhost) by sse0691.bri.hp.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eARCxvP47479; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:59:57 GMT (envelope-from steve) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:59:57 +0000 From: Steve Roome To: Rich Morin Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: od Message-ID: <20001127125957.A47315@moose.bri.hp.com> References: <20001126150107.A68587@uk.clara.net> <20001126160836.A6889@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20001126163319.A68842@uk.clara.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from rdm@cfcl.com on Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 08:52:58AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > od [-aBbcDdeFfHhIiLlOovXx] [[+]offset[.][Bb]] file This may help : Okay, I pulled this out of the HP-UX 10.20 distribution, which was in the section titled : DESCRIPTION OF PRE-POSIX USAGE -b Interpret bytes in octal (hexadecimal). -c Interpret bytes in ASCII. Certain non-graphic characters appear as C escapes: null=\0, backspace=\b, form-feed=\f, new-line=\n, return=\r, tab=\t; others appear as 3-digit octal numbers. -d Interpret 16-bit words in decimal. -o Interpret 16-bit words in octal. -s Interpret 16-bit words in signed decimal. -x Interpret 16-bit words in hexadecimal. I guess that's why we don't have much info on it, hexdump would seem to do all this as well. Anyway, the above still seems accurate. I think the following is also true, but I'm not sure. -D Interpret 32-bit words in decimal hpux says that offset is as follows : offset specifies the offset in the file where dumping is to commence, and is normally interpreted as octal bytes. Interpretation can be altered as follows: + offset must be preceded by + if the file argument is omitted. + offset preceded by 0x is interpreted in hexadecimal. + offset followed by . is interpreted in decimal. + offset followed by b is interpreted in blocks of 512 bytes. Dumping continues until end-of-file. I doubt very much that the hpux version has changed significantly from wherever it was taken from, and I doubt ours has either.. I can get you the full manpage for od if you like. It seems fairly accurate to our version (not found anything wrong yet). This is so far, the first time I've used an hpux manpage to understand a FreeBSD command, usually I do this the other way round! =) Steve > > DESCRIPTION > Od has been deprecated in favor of hexdump(1). > > Hexdump, if called as od, provides compatibility for the options listed > above. > > It does not provide compatibility for the -s option (see strings(1)) or > the -P, -p, or -w options, nor is compatibility provided for the ``la- > bel'' component of the offset syntax. > > SEE ALSO > hexdump(1), strings(1) > > BUGS > Quite a few. > > HISTORY > A od command appeared in Version 1 AT&T UNIX. > > BSD May 27, 1994 1 > -- > -- > Rich Morin: rdm@cfcl.com, +1 650-873-7841, http://www.cfcl.com/rdm > Prime Time Freeware: info@ptf.com, +1 408-433-9662, http://www.ptf.com > MacPerl: http://www.macperl.com, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MPPE > MkLinux: http://www.mklinux.org, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MKLP > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 27 11: 0:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D352637B4CF for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA42953 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:00:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:00:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011271900.LAA42953@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated. f - feedback The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a patch or a fix has been committed. The PR remains in this state pending a response from the originator. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested. Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2000/07/18] docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags o [2000/07/23] docs/20117 doc *printf manpage doesn't document %n 2 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a [1998/07/31] docs/7456 doc dialog(3) man page outdated o [1999/04/07] docs/10997 doc Problem with query-pr-summary.cgi o [1999/09/25] docs/13950 doc webpage idea o [1999/09/25] docs/13967 doc FreeBSD Related Publications in Korea o [1999/10/06] docs/14158 doc md5(1) manpage should not claim the md5 a o [1999/10/27] docs/14565 doc ioctl() codes for device type `fd' (flopp o [2000/02/20] docs/16843 doc Knob for release/Makefile to prevent dele f [2000/03/20] docs/17521 doc Proposed FAQ on assembly programming o [2000/03/25] docs/17598 doc installworld over NFS documentation no lo o [2000/04/03] kern/17774 doc stray irq7 o [2000/05/03] docs/18379 doc Information on SSH hard to find in Handbo o [2000/05/19] docs/18674 doc ntptime.htm and ntptime.8 o [2000/06/05] docs/19010 doc Bad144 obsoletion by 4.0 is undocumented; o [2000/06/23] docs/19481 doc Serial Communications chapter in Handbook o [2000/07/10] docs/19818 doc /usr/share/man/man8/sysinstall.8 missing o [2000/07/17] docs/19981 doc Indonesian translations o [2000/08/04] docs/20400 doc Building a kernel with debugging info sec o [2000/08/10] docs/20528 doc sysconf(3) manpage doesn't mention posix. o [2000/08/20] docs/20738 doc correction and modification to clocks(7) o [2000/08/23] docs/20794 doc Request 2 good documents under people.fre o [2000/10/07] docs/21826 doc ARP proxy feature lacks documentation o [2000/10/10] docs/21896 doc Mini-HOWTO for stp driver o [2000/10/26] docs/22333 doc share/doc/smm/07.lpd building moved in 3. o [2000/11/01] docs/22470 doc man 3 msgrcv's BUGS section needs updatin o [2000/11/08] docs/22701 doc lists missing from search options o [2000/11/11] docs/22778 doc Typo's in About.txt-Layout.txt o [2000/11/14] docs/22861 doc newsyslog man page is misleading and inco o [2000/11/17] docs/22919 doc numerous minor troff errors in distribute o [2000/11/20] docs/22996 doc Missing section in the Handbook o [2000/11/26] docs/23109 doc Fixes to disklabel.8 o [2000/11/26] docs/23111 doc Fixes for ppp.8 31 problems total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 27 11:12: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cfcl.com (unknown [24.221.169.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFA037B479 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.168.205] (cerberus [192.168.168.205]) by cfcl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16590; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:12:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:09:54 -0800 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, scrollkeeper-devel@lists.sourceforge.net From: Rich Morin Subject: draft article, for review Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have written up some recent experiences with FreeBSD documentation for my column (Silicon Carny) in SunWorld (http://www.sunworld.com). The column also attempts to summarize the aims of the ScrollKeeper and Meta Projects. If you would like to look at the draft I'm submitting, take a look at http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/SC.200012.1. Please send me email (in the next few days) about any problems you notice. I should be able to squeeze in a few changes during final edit... -r -- -- Rich Morin: rdm@cfcl.com, +1 650-873-7841, http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Prime Time Freeware: info@ptf.com, +1 408-433-9662, http://www.ptf.com MacPerl: http://www.macperl.com, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MPPE MkLinux: http://www.mklinux.org, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MKLP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 27 11:12:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E2BD37B479; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:12:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eARJCKg08915; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:12:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:12:20 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Kris Kennaway Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.sbin/inetd builtins.c Message-ID: <20001127111219.J8051@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <200011270405.eAR45H578642@green.dyndns.org> <200011270450.eAR4oG579042@green.dyndns.org> <200011271508.KAA94135@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <20001127103736.H8051@fw.wintelcom.net> <20001127104326.B62924@citusc17.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001127104326.B62924@citusc17.usc.edu>; from kris@FreeBSD.org on Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 10:43:26AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Kris Kennaway [001127 10:42] wrote: > On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 10:37:36AM -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > On a side note, why isn't O_NOFOLLOW(sp?) not documented in open(2). > > Are there any other flags not documented and if possible can I get > > a short and concise summary of them so that I can update the manpage? > > Read the header. I think I actually have an uncommitted patch here > which fixes the docs. Anyone want to make any suggestions before I commit this? Index: open.2 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/lib/libc/sys/open.2,v retrieving revision 1.13 diff -u -u -r1.13 open.2 --- open.2 2000/04/21 09:41:54 1.13 +++ open.2 2000/11/27 19:16:30 @@ -83,6 +83,9 @@ O_EXCL error if create and file exists O_SHLOCK atomically obtain a shared lock O_EXLOCK atomically obtain an exclusive lock +O_ASYNC signal process group when data ready +O_FSYNC synchronous writes +O_NOFOLLOW do not follow symlinks .Ed .Pp Opening a file with @@ -120,6 +123,25 @@ The first time the process attempts to perform I/O on the open file it will block (not currently implemented). .Pp +Opening a file with +.Dv O_ASYNC +will cause the process group to recieve a SIGIO signal when data +becomes available on the descriptor. +If +.Dv O_FSYNC +is used in the mask, all writes will +immediately be written to disk, +the kernel will not cache written data +and all writes on the descriptor will not return until +the data to be written completes. +If +.Dv O_NOFOLLOW +is used in the mask and the target file passed to +.Fn open +is a symbolic link then the +.Fn open +will fail. +.Pp When opening a file, a lock with .Xr flock 2 semantics can be obtained by setting @@ -216,6 +238,9 @@ The process has already reached its limit for open file descriptors. .It Bq Er ENFILE The system file table is full. +.It Bq Er EMLINK +.Dv O_NOFOLLOW +was specified and the target is a symbolic link. .It Bq Er ENXIO The named file is a character special or block special file, and the device associated with this special file -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 27 11:16:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from citusc17.usc.edu (citusc17.usc.edu [128.125.38.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B8937B4C5; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:16:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc17.usc.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eARJHmS63941; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:17:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:17:48 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Kris Kennaway , doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.sbin/inetd builtins.c Message-ID: <20001127111748.A63905@citusc17.usc.edu> References: <200011270405.eAR45H578642@green.dyndns.org> <200011270450.eAR4oG579042@green.dyndns.org> <200011271508.KAA94135@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <20001127103736.H8051@fw.wintelcom.net> <20001127104326.B62924@citusc17.usc.edu> <20001127111219.J8051@fw.wintelcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001127111219.J8051@fw.wintelcom.net>; from bright@wintelcom.net on Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 11:12:20AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 11:12:20AM -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > * Kris Kennaway [001127 10:42] wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 10:37:36AM -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > >=20 > > > On a side note, why isn't O_NOFOLLOW(sp?) not documented in open(2). > > > Are there any other flags not documented and if possible can I get > > > a short and concise summary of them so that I can update the manpage? > >=20 > > Read the header. I think I actually have an uncommitted patch here > > which fixes the docs. >=20 > Anyone want to make any suggestions before I commit this? Perhaps note that these are non-portable options? Kris --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjois1wACgkQWry0BWjoQKU3NQCfZaZ17CGCCGarO+/uKy2KXhZK My8AoNmLcGWftS9ANdp1KSjGej3Dj7NN =nXIO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 27 15:57: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from raketnet.nl (unknown [212.41.141.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2301837B479 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:57:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from u5k7h8 ([213.194.1.128]) by raketnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:00:50 +0100 Message-ID: <001f01c058cd$d8dee480$8001c2d5@u5k7h8> Reply-To: "atom1" From: "atom1" To: Subject: filesystems Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:57:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C058D6.3A1D0580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C058D6.3A1D0580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello there, I would like to know what filesystem freebsd uses and how to set up my = partitions for example windows uses fat32 dos fat16 and linux ext.2 or reiser fs. I own partition magic 4.0. so installing up would be really simple=20 thanks in advance jeroen van maanen ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C058D6.3A1D0580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello there,
I would like to know what filesystem = freebsd uses=20 and how to set up my partitions
for example windows uses fat32 dos = fat16 and linux=20 ext.2 or reiser fs.
I own partition magic 4.0. so = installing up would=20 be really simple 
thanks in advance
jeroen van = maanen
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C058D6.3A1D0580-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 27 17:29: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CCC37B479; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 17:29:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA281186; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:28:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:28:57 -0500 To: current@FreeBSD.org From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: status of http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Unless I'm missing something, which is certainly possible, it seems to me that http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html is missing some information that it used to have. There is no section on mergemaster, for instance, even though there IS a link to that section, and that link thinks the section is on the same web page. I get a vague feeling that something else on the page isn't right, but I can't think of what that might be. Probably the section on building kernels, because it does not actually mention the 'buildkernel' or 'installkernel' targets. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 27 18:39:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from 2711.dynacom.net (2711.dynacom.net [206.107.213.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A57FF37B479; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:39:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from urx.com (dsl1-160.dynacom.net [206.159.132.160]) by 2711.dynacom.net (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00445; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:39:22 -0800 Message-ID: <3A231ADA.600ACF42@urx.com> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:39:22 -0800 From: Kent Stewart Reply-To: kstewart@urx.com Organization: Dynacom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garance A Drosihn Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: status of http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Garance A Drosihn wrote: > > Unless I'm missing something, which is certainly possible, it > seems to me that > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html > > is missing some information that it used to have. There is no > section on mergemaster, for instance, even though there IS a > link to that section, and that link thinks the section is on > the same web page. > > I get a vague feeling that something else on the page isn't > right, but I can't think of what that might be. Probably > the section on building kernels, because it does not actually > mention the 'buildkernel' or 'installkernel' targets. I thought the following instructions were quite explicit and they were 18.4.1. Read /usr/src/UPDATING Before you do anything else, read /usr/src/UPDATING (or the equivalent file wherever you have a copy of the source code). This file should contain important information about problems you might encounter, or specify the order in which you might have to run certain commands. If UPDATING contradicts something you read here, UPDATING takes precedence. Important: Reading UPDATING is not an acceptable substitute for subscribing to the correct mailing list, as described previously. The two requirements are complementary, not exclusive. Around line 190, it talks about doing build[install]kernel's if you are going to update to something like 4-stable. Kent > -- > Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu > Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 27 19:19: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBBE37B4D7; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:19:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA394788; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:18:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A231ADA.600ACF42@urx.com> References: <3A231ADA.600ACF42@urx.com> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:18:55 -0500 To: kstewart@urx.com From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: status of http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 6:39 PM -0800 11/27/00, Kent Stewart wrote: >Garance A Drosihn wrote: >> >> Unless I'm missing something, which is certainly possible, it >> seems to me that >> http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html >> >> is missing some information that it used to have. There is no >> section on mergemaster, for instance, even though there IS a >> link to that section, and that link thinks the section is on >> the same web page. >> >> I get a vague feeling that something else on the page isn't >> right, but I can't think of what that might be. Probably >> the section on building kernels, because it does not actually >> mention the 'buildkernel' or 'installkernel' targets. > >I thought the following instructions were quite explicit and >they were > >18.4.1. Read /usr/src/UPDATING > >Before you do anything else, read /usr/src/UPDATING [...]. >If UPDATING contradicts something you read here, UPDATING >takes precedence. I would think that somewhere along the line we would update the information in the handbook, just out of courtesy. If we have no intention of ever updating this web page, then let's remove the 'makeworld.html' web page, and replace it with a pointer to the UPDATING file. That disclaimer also does not explain why the web page itself THINKS that it has a section on mergemaster, but it has no such section. I have enough saved messages and useful pointers (including UPDATING) that I have already updated my system quite fine, and do not need any explicit instructions on where to go. I am just saying this web page in the handbook could be more helpful. What's more, I could have sworn that at one time the web page DID have a section on mergemaster... [but that's the part that I might be imagining...] -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 27 19:37: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from tower.partan.com (tower.partan.com [198.6.255.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874BA37B65E; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:37:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asp@localhost) by tower.partan.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24454; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:37:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:37:01 -0500 From: Andrew Partan To: Garance A Drosihn Cc: kstewart@urx.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: status of http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html Message-ID: <20001127223701.A24407@partan.com> References: <3A231ADA.600ACF42@urx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from drosih@rpi.edu on Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 10:18:55PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 10:18:55PM -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > That disclaimer also does not explain why the web page itself > THINKS that it has a section on mergemaster, but it has no > such section. There is a brief mention of mergemaster in section 18.4.7, 2nd para: The simplest way to update these files is to use mergemaster(8), though it is possible to do it manually if you would prefer to do that. We strongly recommend you use mergemaster(8), however, and if you do then you can skip forward to the next section, since mergemaster(8) is very simple to use. You should read the manual page first, and make a backup of /etc in case anything goes wrong. --asp@partan.com (Andrew Partan) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 27 19:57:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from 2711.dynacom.net (2711.dynacom.net [206.107.213.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8945637B4FE; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:57:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from urx.com (dsl1-160.dynacom.net [206.159.132.160]) by 2711.dynacom.net (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00913; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:57:20 -0800 Message-ID: <3A232D20.606BD20E@urx.com> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:57:20 -0800 From: Kent Stewart Reply-To: kstewart@urx.com Organization: Dynacom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garance A Drosihn Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: status of http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html References: <3A231ADA.600ACF42@urx.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Garance A Drosihn wrote: > > At 6:39 PM -0800 11/27/00, Kent Stewart wrote: > >Garance A Drosihn wrote: > >> > >> Unless I'm missing something, which is certainly possible, it > >> seems to me that > >> http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html > >> > >> is missing some information that it used to have. There is no > >> section on mergemaster, for instance, even though there IS a > >> link to that section, and that link thinks the section is on > >> the same web page. > >> > >> I get a vague feeling that something else on the page isn't > >> right, but I can't think of what that might be. Probably > >> the section on building kernels, because it does not actually > >> mention the 'buildkernel' or 'installkernel' targets. > > > >I thought the following instructions were quite explicit and > >they were > > > >18.4.1. Read /usr/src/UPDATING > > > >Before you do anything else, read /usr/src/UPDATING [...]. > >If UPDATING contradicts something you read here, UPDATING > >takes precedence. > > I would think that somewhere along the line we would update > the information in the handbook, just out of courtesy. If > we have no intention of ever updating this web page, then > let's remove the 'makeworld.html' web page, and replace it > with a pointer to the UPDATING file. Which UPDATING file are you going to point to. It can be different for each release of the system. The manual way also still applies for the older versions. > > That disclaimer also does not explain why the web page itself > THINKS that it has a section on mergemaster, but it has no > such section. I think you mis-interpreted that sentence because they recommend that you use Mergemaster and if you do use mergemaster, you bypass the manual update section and proceed to the section. which is on updating /dev. Mergemaster isn't the next section. > > I have enough saved messages and useful pointers (including > UPDATING) that I have already updated my system quite fine, > and do not need any explicit instructions on where to go. I > am just saying this web page in the handbook could be more > helpful. What's more, I could have sworn that at one time > the web page DID have a section on mergemaster... > > [but that's the part that I might be imagining...] This section has been re-written a couple of times. I don't remember it ever mentioning mergemaster. I also couldn't argue one way or the other. Mergemaster, at one point in time, was a port and it is now part of the system and has its own man page. Kent > -- > Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu > Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 27 20: 9:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E4537B4D7; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:09:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA549822; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:09:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001127223701.A24407@partan.com> References: <3A231ADA.600ACF42@urx.com> <20001127223701.A24407@partan.com> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:09:36 -0500 To: Andrew Partan From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: status of http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html Cc: kstewart@urx.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:37 PM -0500 11/27/00, Andrew Partan wrote: >On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 10:18:55PM -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: >> That disclaimer also does not explain why the web page itself >> THINKS that it has a section on mergemaster, but it has no >> such section. > >There is a brief mention of mergemaster in section 18.4.7, 2nd para: > The simplest way to update these files is to use mergemaster(8), > though it is possible to do it manually if you would prefer > to do that. We strongly recommend you use mergemaster(8), > however, and if you do then you can skip forward to the > next section, since mergemaster(8) is very simple to use. > You should read the manual page first, and make a backup > of /etc in case anything goes wrong. Hmm, I thought that "skip forward" link referenced mergemaster, but it does not. Looks like that was a problem with the browser I'm using (mozilla instead of Netscape...). With Mozilla, that link doesn't do anything. Now that I try it with Netscape, it does work OK. So, looks like I was imagining some things. My apologies. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 27 20:26:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7201837B4D7; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:26:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA684592; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:26:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A232D20.606BD20E@urx.com> References: <3A231ADA.600ACF42@urx.com> <3A232D20.606BD20E@urx.com> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:26:18 -0500 To: kstewart@urx.com From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: status of http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 7:57 PM -0800 11/27/00, Kent Stewart wrote: >Garance A Drosihn wrote: > > I would think that somewhere along the line we would update >> the information in the handbook, just out of courtesy. If >> we have no intention of ever updating this web page, then >> let's remove the 'makeworld.html' web page, and replace it >> with a pointer to the UPDATING file. > >Which UPDATING file are you going to point to. It can be >different for each release of the system. The manual way also >still applies for the older versions. Yeah. The other thing I was going to suggest was that it might be a good idea to breakup this 'makeworld.html' page, based on system-version, because several parts of it are no longer required for release 4.x systems. I wasn't sure of the best way to do that. For that matter, the makeworld web page includes information for updating release 2.x systems, and I don't think freebsd really supports 2.x anymore. Just for some background, when I'm upgrading a system, I have one nice system with a huge monitor (which happens to be a Mac), while the system I'm actually upgrading might be a machine which doesn't have a decent monitor, or even have X installed. So, for me it's usually more convenient to start by reading the handbook pages via the web, and then only read the "new entries" in UPDATING using vi. (by "new entries", I mean the things added since the last time I cvsup-ed the system in question...) -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 28 1:25:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.demotop.com.tw (mail.demotop.com.tw [202.132.22.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0259637B401 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:25:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.demotop.com.tw with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:13:31 +0800 Message-ID: <918468C32B56D311A2A30000E88A290A122D19@mail.demotop.com.tw> From: =?Big5?B?s6+ofapa?= To: "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: help to setup FreeBSD on HP LC200 Server Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:13:22 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Big5" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi,,, I have a HP LC2000 Server and I want to setup FreeBSD on it,, but I didn't have any HP LC2000's driver ,, so,,can you tel me how to setup FreeBSD on my HP LC2000 Server Thanks,,,, demotop Wesley 2000/11/28 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 28 2:26:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F9737B400 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 02:26:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ireserver.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.7]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29341; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 02:26:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (trinian [129.156.238.31]) by ireserver.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8/ENSMAIL,v2.0) with ESMTP id KAA07362; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:26:04 GMT Message-ID: <3A23883C.B2BB12D8@sun.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:26:04 +0000 From: Laszlo Kovacs Organization: Sun Microsystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rich Morin Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, scrollkeeper-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Scrollkeeper-devel] draft article, for review References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rich Morin wrote: > > I have written up some recent experiences with FreeBSD documentation > for my column (Silicon Carny) in SunWorld (http://www.sunworld.com). > The column also attempts to summarize the aims of the ScrollKeeper > and Meta Projects. > > If you would like to look at the draft I'm submitting, take a look at > http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/SC.200012.1. Please send me email (in the > next few days) about any problems you notice. I should be able to > squeeze in a few changes during final edit... > > -r This link does not seem to work. Laszlo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 28 3:37:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4427F37B401; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 03:37:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eASBbIA68532; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 03:37:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 03:37:18 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011281137.eASBbIA68532@freefall.freebsd.org> To: olgeni@uli.it, ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/23111: Fixes for ppp.8 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Fixes for ppp.8 State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ben State-Changed-When: Tue Nov 28 11:36:45 GMT 2000 State-Changed-Why: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23111 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 28 3:37:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CBA37B401; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 03:37:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eASBbpr68675; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 03:37:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 03:37:51 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011281137.eASBbpr68675@freefall.freebsd.org> To: olgeni@uli.it, ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/23111: Fixes for ppp.8 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Fixes for ppp.8 State-Changed-From-To: closed->open State-Changed-By: ben State-Changed-When: Tue Nov 28 11:37:23 GMT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Closed by mistake -- this hasn't been fully dealt with yet. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23111 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 28 4: 5:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ngonet.ee (ngonet.ee [194.204.1.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EACDF37B401 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 04:05:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ngonet.ee by ngonet.ee via SMTP (980427.SGI.8.8.8/951211.SGI.AUTO) for id OAA04544; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:10:01 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3A23A098.41C6@ngonet.ee> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:10:00 +0200 From: suwa X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: about backups tape media on handbook Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, http://www.ee.freebsd.org/handbook/backups-tapebackups.html On the markets willbe LTOs soon. Any info about these? i read this: http://www.lto.org/ best :) suwa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 28 5:47:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE9837B401; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 05:47:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eASDaDS01963; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:36:13 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:36:12 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Garance A Drosihn Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: status of http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html Message-ID: <20001128133612.A1830@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from drosih@rpi.edu on Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 08:28:57PM -0500 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 08:28:57PM -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > Unless I'm missing something, which is certainly possible, it > seems to me that > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html > > is missing some information that it used to have. Send patches. When I wrote that section I was running "make world" once or twice a day. I don't generally do that anymore. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 28 8:12:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from enlightenment.uchicago.edu (enlightenment.uchicago.edu [128.135.132.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9491137B400 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:12:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dmueth@localhost) by enlightenment.uchicago.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27948; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:12:02 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: enlightenment.uchicago.edu: dmueth owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:12:02 -0600 (CST) From: Dan Mueth X-Sender: dmueth@enlightenment.uchicago.edu To: Laszlo Kovacs Cc: Rich Morin , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, scrollkeeper-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Scrollkeeper-devel] draft article, for review In-Reply-To: <3A23883C.B2BB12D8@sun.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Laszlo Kovacs wrote: > Rich Morin wrote: > > > > I have written up some recent experiences with FreeBSD documentation > > for my column (Silicon Carny) in SunWorld (http://www.sunworld.com). > > The column also attempts to summarize the aims of the ScrollKeeper > > and Meta Projects. > > > > If you would like to look at the draft I'm submitting, take a look at > > http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/SC.200012.1. Please send me email (in the > > next few days) about any problems you notice. I should be able to > > squeeze in a few changes during final edit... > > > > -r > > This link does not seem to work. Are you using: http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/SC.200012.1 and not including the period at the end? It worked for me yesterday and again just now. Dan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 28 9: 2: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241F837B400 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:02:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ireserver.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.7]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07818; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (trinian [129.156.238.31]) by ireserver.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8/ENSMAIL,v2.0) with ESMTP id QAA25552; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:40:00 GMT Message-ID: <3A23DFE0.1E25552B@sun.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:40:00 +0000 From: Laszlo Kovacs Organization: Sun Microsystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Mueth Cc: Rich Morin , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, scrollkeeper-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Scrollkeeper-devel] draft article, for review References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Are you using: > > http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/SC.200012.1 > > and not including the period at the end? > > It worked for me yesterday and again just now. > > Dan Yes. And it still doesnt work. Laszlo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 28 10:13:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from jello.inkstain.net (shell.inkstain.net [206.29.130.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A68B137B400 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:13:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from jello (mail [206.29.130.67]) by jello.inkstain.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA07713; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:26:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:26:03 -0800 (PST) From: X-Sender: jfleck@jello To: Laszlo Kovacs Cc: Dan Mueth , Rich Morin , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, scrollkeeper-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Scrollkeeper-devel] draft article, for review In-Reply-To: <3A23DFE0.1E25552B@sun.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Laszlo Kovacs wrote: > > > > Are you using: > > > > http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/SC.200012.1 > > > > and not including the period at the end? > > > > It worked for me yesterday and again just now. > > > > Dan > > Yes. And it still doesnt work. > A different address worked for me, which I found by backing up to the root and then experimenting in the manner of a bored journalist: http://www.cfcl.com/cfcl/rdm/SC.200012.1 Cheers, John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 28 10:33:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-024-221-169-054.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BF237B400 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:33:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.168.205] (cerberus [192.168.168.205]) by cfcl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01272; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:33:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A23DFE0.1E25552B@sun.com> References: <3A23DFE0.1E25552B@sun.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:31:57 -0800 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, scrollkeeper-devel@lists.sourceforge.net From: Rich Morin Subject: Re: [Scrollkeeper-devel] draft article, for review Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Laszlo Kovacs wrote: > >This link does not seem to work. Sorry, I've been trying to clean up a problem in Apache, but I seem to have made things worse. Please try it now. http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/SC.200012.1 -r -- -- Rich Morin: rdm@cfcl.com, +1 650-873-7841, http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Prime Time Freeware: info@ptf.com, +1 408-433-9662, http://www.ptf.com MacPerl: http://www.macperl.com, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MPPE MkLinux: http://www.mklinux.org, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MKLP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 28 12:40:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5714737B400; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:40:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eASKeNn74946; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:40:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:40:23 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011282040.eASKeNn74946@freefall.freebsd.org> To: olgeni@uli.it, ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/23109: Fixes to disklabel.8 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Fixes to disklabel.8 State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ben State-Changed-When: Tue Nov 28 20:40:08 GMT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed in -current and 4-stable, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23109 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 28 16:56:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.dotsino.com (unknown [210.73.88.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A5B37B400 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:56:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from Clansoft (206.dotsino.com [162.105.207.206]) by mail.dotsino.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DEDF43D1A; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:09:22 +0800 (CST) Date:2000-11-29 8:57:36 From: internetexpress@263.net Reply-To: internetexpress@263.net To: internetexpress@263.net Cc: Subject:¹ØÓÚ¿ªÔ´Èí¼þÔ˶¯ÔÚÖйúµÄ·¢Õ¹ X-mailer:Clansoft CDmail1.0(beta) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encodeing: 8bit Message-Id: <20001129010922.4DEDF43D1A@mail.dotsino.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ×ð¾´µÄÅóÓÑ ÄúºÃ£¡ ºÜðÃÁ´òÈÅÄú£¬Èç¹ûÕâ·ÝПøÄú´øÀ´²»±ã£¬ÎÒÃÇÉî¸Ð±§Ç¸£¬ÇëÄú¶à¶à°üº­¡£ ÎÒÃÇÊÇһȺ×ÔÓÉÈí¼þµÄ³«µ¼Õߣ¬ÎÒÃÇÏ£Íû¸ü¶àµÄÈËÀ´¹Ø×¢ºÍ²ÎÓë²¢Íƶ¯¿ªÔ´Èí¼þÔ˶¯ ÔÚÖйúµÄ·¢Õ¹¡£ »¶Ó­Äú½øÈ뿪ԴÈí¼þµÄ×ÔÓÉÍõ¹ú¡£ http://www.gnu.org GNUµÄ¹Ù·½Õ¾µã£¬×ÔÓÉÈí¼þµÄ·¢ÆðÕß¡£ http://www.freesoftware.com.cn ×ÔÓÉÈí¼þÔ˶¯ÔÚÖйú´ó½×îȨÍþµÄÃÅ»§Õ¾µãºÍ´ó±¾Óª¡£ http://www.freesoft.cei.gov.cn Öйú×ÔÓÉÈí¼þЭ»áµÄÕ¾µã£¬Î¬»¤×ÅÒ»¸öºÜ´óµÄ×ÔÓÉÈí¼þ¿â¡£ http://www.webmatcher.org Linux×ÊÔ´µÄYahoo£¡ http://www.linux.org LinuxµÄȨÍþÕ¾µã£¬Èí¼þÓ²¼þÎÞËù²»°ü¡£ http://www.linuxstart.com LinuxµÄÈëÃÅÕ¾µã£¬¾ßÓзÖÀàÏêϸµÄLinux×ÊÔ´¡£ Ö Àñ£¡ Öйú×ÔÓÉÈí¼þÍø ------------------------------------------------- CDmail by ClanSoft http://clansoft.yeah.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 28 17: 0: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D9C37B402 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:00:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAT101055543; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:00:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8A937B401 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:57:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA34730; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:57:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) Message-Id: <200011290057.TAA34730@blackhelicopters.org> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:57:51 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Lucas Reply-To: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/23166: addition to FAQ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 23166 >Category: docs >Synopsis: addition to FAQ >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Nov 28 17:00:01 PST 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Michael Lucas >Release: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: current -doc tree >Description: addition to kerberos uninstall question >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: *** book.sgml-dist Tue Nov 28 19:52:11 2000 --- book.sgml Tue Nov 28 19:55:18 2000 *************** *** 6134,6139 **** --- 6134,6143 ---- &prompt.root; cd /cdrom/bin &prompt.root; ./install.sh + Alternately, you can remove all "MAKE_KERBEROS" + options from /etc/make.conf and rebuild + world. + >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 28 18:22:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8629E37B400 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:22:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@dhcp246.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.246]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAT2MEC01271 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:22:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:22:27 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Simple emacs question Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, I'm trying to use a nifty feature of psgmls in xemacs to make my life easier, but psgml's less than helpful documentation is making it painful. Specifically, I want to make use of the 'sgml-parent-document' feature so that I can edit a chapter.sgml in one buffer and have it DTRT as far as indenting, etc. However, I can't seem to con this into working. When I choose the 'Parent Document' item from the 'SGML | File Options' menu, I am prompted to enter a value for the sgml-parent-document variable as follows: The variable describes how the current file's content fit into the element hierarchy. The variable should have the form (PARENT-FILE CONTEXT-ELEMENT* TOP-ELEMENT (HAS-SEEN-ELEMENT*)?) PARENT-FILE is a string, the name of the file containing the document entity. CONTEXT-ELEMENT is a string, that is the name of an element type. It can occur 0 or more times and is used to set up exceptions and short reference map. Good candidates for these elements are the elements open when the entity pointing to the current file is used. TOP-ELEMENT is a string that is the name of the element type of the top level element in the current file. The file should contain one instance of this element, unless the last \(lisp) element of sgml-parent-document is a list. If it is a list, the top level of the file should follow the content model of top-element. HAS-SEEN-ELEMENT is a string that is the name of an element type. This element is satisfied in the content model of top-element. So, when it prompts I try entering ("book.sgml" "chapter") (I have the main book file open in a buffer named "book.sgml") but this does seemingly nothing. No error messages, no nothing. I've tried using "../book.sgml" and any number of other things. Anyone else have any ideas? Anyone else used this or do we all just manually indent each chapter.sgml? -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 29 4:19:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailr.online.ge (ns1.online.ge [213.157.196.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDF037B401 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 04:19:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from server1.gse.ge ([213.157.205.34]) by mailr.online.ge (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id eATCJMU60843 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:19:23 +0400 (GET) Received: from server0.gse.ge [213.157.205.35] by gse.ge [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.8.5.0.T) for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:19:19 +0400 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:26:34 +0400 From: Zaza Maglakelidze X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: Zaza Maglakelidze Organization: GSE X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <0685.001129@gse.ge> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Return-Path: Zaza@gse.ge Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please, Send me Installation guide FreeBSD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 29 5:50: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 832B337B699 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:50:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eATDo3391970; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:50:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E1B37B402 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:46:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eATDkm391197; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:46:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200011291346.eATDkm391197@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:46:48 -0800 (PST) From: wosch@freebsd.org To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/23175: test - pleae ignore Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 23175 >Category: docs >Synopsis: test - pleae ignore >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Nov 29 05:50:03 PST 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: wolfram schneider >Release: 4.x >Organization: >Environment: test >Description: >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: ddd >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 29 5:50:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96E837B69E for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:50:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eATDo3i91979; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:50:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E60B37B401 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:48:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eATDmUF91621; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:48:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200011291348.eATDmUF91621@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:48:30 -0800 (PST) From: wosch@freebsd.org To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/23176: test - pleae ignore Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 23176 >Category: docs >Synopsis: test - pleae ignore >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Nov 29 05:50:03 PST 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: wolfram schneider >Release: 4.x >Organization: >Environment: test >Description: >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: d >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 29 5:52:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D272837B400; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:52:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eATDqjp92662; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:52:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wosch) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:52:45 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011291352.eATDqjp92662@freefall.freebsd.org> To: wosch@FreeBSD.org, wosch@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/23175: test - pleae ignore Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: test - pleae ignore State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: wosch State-Changed-When: Wed Nov 29 05:52:29 PST 2000 State-Changed-Why: test http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23175 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 29 5:53: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3C537B69C; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:53:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eATDr5X92788; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:53:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wosch) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:53:05 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011291353.eATDr5X92788@freefall.freebsd.org> To: wosch@FreeBSD.org, wosch@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/23176: test - pleae ignore Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: test - pleae ignore State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: wosch State-Changed-When: Wed Nov 29 05:52:54 PST 2000 State-Changed-Why: test http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23176 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 29 6:10:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55BE837B698; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 06:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jim@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eATEATs01271; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 06:10:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 06:10:29 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011291410.eATEATs01271@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org, jim@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/23166: addition to FAQ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: addition to FAQ State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jim State-Changed-When: Wed Nov 29 06:10:09 PST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23166 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 29 6:50: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211E737B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 06:49:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eATEnk123574; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:49:46 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:49:46 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Rich Morin Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: finding "PMake - A Tutorial" Message-ID: <20001129144946.C23325@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20001124152233.A1928@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20001124233159.A1091@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20001126161612.B6889@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rdm@cfcl.com on Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 09:02:27AM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 09:02:27AM -0800, Rich Morin wrote: > Fiddling with sysinstall is, I think, exactly what I'm proposing. Send patches, or flowers and chocolates to my girlfriend. Either of those is likely to get me enough free time to complete this :-) N PS: Miss Lange, c/o Nik Clayton, BSDi, Royal Albert House, Windsor, SL4 1BE, UK :-) -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 29 6:50: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4775A37B401; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 06:49:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eATEklp23564; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:46:47 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:46:47 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: John Baldwin Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Simple emacs question Message-ID: <20001129144647.B23325@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jhb@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 06:22:27PM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 06:22:27PM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > No error messages, no nothing. I've tried using "../book.sgml" and any number > of other things. Anyone else have any ideas? Anyone else used this or do we > all just manually indent each chapter.sgml? See the bottom of any of the handbook/*/chapter.sgml files for the appropriate "Local Variables:" voodoo. Note that psgml seems to have a small bug. If you load one of these chapter files, page down to a random element, and hit TAB, Emacs will indent the line. It shouldn't do this. What you have to do the first time you load any of these files is go to the first element ("" in the chapter.sgml case), and press TAB to indent it. Emacs will indent it (which it shouldn't). Then press TAB again, and Emacs will outdent it back to the first column, where it started. After you've done that, all other using-TAB-to-indent in the file will work properly. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 29 6:50:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A023137B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 06:50:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eATEgrF23548; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:42:53 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:42:52 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Rich Morin Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, scrollkeeper-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: draft article, for review Message-ID: <20001129144252.A23325@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rdm@cfcl.com on Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 11:09:54AM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rich, On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 11:09:54AM -0800, Rich Morin wrote: > I have written up some recent experiences with FreeBSD documentation > for my column (Silicon Carny) in SunWorld (http://www.sunworld.com). > The column also attempts to summarize the aims of the ScrollKeeper > and Meta Projects. > > If you would like to look at the draft I'm submitting, take a look at > http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/SC.200012.1. Please send me email (in the > next few days) about any problems you notice. I should be able to > squeeze in a few changes during final edit... I'm keeping the cc's in place for this, because this is something I want to reiterate to the commentators and lurkers on the FreeBSD-doc mailing list (and the various Linux doc people on the ScrollKeeper list will probably agree). We're in complete agreement about the need for better documentation, and the requirement for better searching and indexing tools. Of this latter requirement, I have high hopes for ScrollKeeper (once we've finished batting around some of the design decisions). Your choice of make.conf is perhaps a little unfortunate, as in the past few weeks someone else has had exactly the same problem you had. They also realised that a make.conf manual page would be a good thing to have for the reasons you specify in your article. So, they wrote one, put together a PR (Problem Report, or Patch Report, depending on who you listen to), visible at http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=22676 As you can see, this was then kicked back and forth a bit on the mailing list, changes were made, and then it was committed to FreeBSD. So FreeBSD, thanks to the actions of one of its users, now has a make.conf(5) manual page. I don't doubt that there are other areas of the system that need further documentation and explanation. It's an unfortunate fact of life for all of us that there are this > < many things to do, and this > < much time in which to do them. This is why the FreeBSD project is very open to receiving PRs, and I do my level best to bring people in to the doc project as soon as they demonstrate that they can generate good PRs and won't need an excessive amount of handholding. In the recent past this includes people like Bruce Mah Ben Smithurst Mark Ovens Daniel Harris Kazuo Horikawa Hiroki Sato Alexander Langer and many others (Neil, Sheldon, Jeroen, the list is long, and an omission just means I haven't got time to work through CVSROOT/access). This is how the process works -- people find problems, fix them, and submit patches. Sometimes the people finding the problem are already committers, but a lot of the time it's FreeBSD users. And with the best will in the world, a PR with a patch is a hell of a lot easier for a committer to deal with than a message saying that something needs fixing. [ For example, the fact that sysinstall doesn't know about the new documentation packages yet -- I know this is a problem, as do people following this mailing list. But unless someone else steps up to the plate (anyone!) with patches, the problem's going to have to wait until I've got the requisite 12 clear hours to sit down with the sysinstall code and write the glue. ] N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 29 7:40: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5524637B69B for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:40:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 75AC918B2; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:03:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE8A18B0; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:03:43 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:03:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: Zaza Maglakelidze Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <0685.001129@gse.ge> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Please, > > Send me Installation guide FreeBSD. www.freebsd.org/handbook go to the part that says installation Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 29 9:35:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mukappa.home.com (c576194-a.saltlk1.ut.home.com [24.20.97.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB30237B402 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:35:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mukappa.home.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mukappa.home.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eATHZki11768 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:35:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mupi@mknet.org) From: Mike Porter Reply-To: mupi@mknet.org To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: draft article, for review Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:35:45 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.94] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20001129144252.A23325@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> In-Reply-To: <20001129144252.A23325@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00112910354501.11309@mukappa.home.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Nik Clayton wrote: As one of your "lurkers" (OK, so I'm rather new at this, and spend most of my time reading things....eventually I'm sure I will get around to saying something useful.....) (since I'm not on ScrollKeeper, I didn't put that in the list; feel free to forward it as you feel appropriate (just let me know if you did so)) > This is how the process works -- people find problems, fix them, and > submit patches. Sometimes the people finding the problem are already > committers, but a lot of the time it's FreeBSD users. And with the best > will in the world, a PR with a patch is a hell of a lot easier for a > committer to deal with than a message saying that something needs > fixing. > This is exactly the power behind Open Source Software, and why, eventually, it will win out over expensive commercial software, at least for a lot of(most?) things: It give the end-user Power over what happens. Don't like the way something works? great, fix it. Think something needs better docs? Great, let's sit down, bang--I mean, put--our heads together, and see what we can come up with. Sure, in a lot of cases, people don't (especially at first) have the knowledge to be able to put something together like that, or to write their own patch, but with some handholding, most people can learn. What a single person (or even a small group of people) can't do alone, when you have a group of thousands, it is a lot easier to get stuff fixed. Face it, there are a lot of documentation holes in the stuff coming out of Redmond these days, but when was the last time you heard about a user writing his own doucmentaton, and having it become part of the system? > [ For example, the fact that sysinstall doesn't know about the > new documentation packages yet -- I know this is a problem, as do > people following this mailing list. But unless someone else steps up > to the plate (anyone!) with patches, the problem's going to have to > wait until I've got the requisite 12 clear hours to sit down with the > sysinstall code and write the glue. ] > Just a suggestion, (and I don't know much about how sysinstall is written, so feel free to smack me upside the head if I am out of line), but wouldn't it make sense to make sysinstall sufficiently modular that all you have to do is provide it with a "table of contents" file from which to generate menus? (especially in the Docs section). This would greatly simplify the changing of things to reflect new packages, changes, or additions. Sort of like the ".ini" files scattred around any WinDoze hard drive ([Menu_Option]\n path/to/file1:installed/path/for/file1\n path/to/file2:/path/to/install/file2\n .... for all files related to Menu_Option); all you have to do is change a couple of lines in a text file (and even I can do that!) and the changes are there. I realize that changing sysinstall in this manner is a non-trivial task; but once changed (or once that part (ie, the docs section) is changed) it makes future revisions much easier. Since the assumption is that sysinstall will probably be around for a while, I would argue that long-term you will have a net savings of time. my $0.02 (or less..) worth mike -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.3 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjolPnIACgkQZ7GovTQbIm4tyACfbDVHYSbNzJkV/puK1rRntE+2 ecYAnihxdWzoy1Q8ZdMkkyUigbmZJqlD =T0m9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 29 10:14: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-024-221-169-054.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8E437B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:14:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.168.205] (cerberus [192.168.168.205]) by cfcl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18388 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:13:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001129144252.A23325@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20001129144252.A23325@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:14:10 -0800 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org From: Rich Morin Subject: Re: draft article, for review Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 2:42 PM +0000 11/29/00, Nik Clayton wrote: >[ For example, the fact that sysinstall doesn't know about the > new documentation packages yet -- I know this is a problem, as do > people following this mailing list. But unless someone else steps up > to the plate (anyone!) with patches, the problem's going to have to > wait until I've got the requisite 12 clear hours to sit down with the > sysinstall code and write the glue. ] Your comments are well taken. I realize that _someone_ has to do the work to make a given change. Sometimes I am able to be that person; other times, I haven't the time or skills it would take. OTOH, I'm loathe to keep silent when I think I know what constitutes "Best Practice" in a given situation. How or when the changes get made is another matter, but if we don't know where we want to be, we have no real chance of getting there... The situation regarding sysinstall, in any case, might be one which calls for help from another part of the FreeBSD Project. Might this be a monkey which could be handed off (at least, in part) to the folks who are in charge of sysinstall, per se? Back to the original thread of the discussion, I still haven't heard anything that I can use to modify my article. Please, folks, tell me if I need to change anything at final edit! -r -- -- Rich Morin: rdm@cfcl.com, +1 650-873-7841, http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Prime Time Freeware: info@ptf.com, +1 408-433-9662, http://www.ptf.com MacPerl: http://www.macperl.com, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MPPE MkLinux: http://www.mklinux.org, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MKLP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 29 10:34:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70F237B401 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:34:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eATIX2S38480; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:33:02 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:33:00 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Rich Morin Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: draft article, for review Message-ID: <20001129183258.A38444@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20001129144252.A23325@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rdm@cfcl.com on Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 10:14:10AM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 10:14:10AM -0800, Rich Morin wrote: > Back to the original thread of the discussion, I still haven't heard > anything that I can use to modify my article. Please, folks, tell me > if I need to change anything at final edit! At the very least, something about the fact that the marvellous thing about FreeBSD is that end users have the power to submit changes, see them acted on, and, if they do it often enough, get handed the power to make these sorts of changes directly. make.conf(5) is a very good example of this (ideally, including the URL to the PR, which was in my previous message, would be good). Also, note that I committed explanatory text to make(1) earlier today which explicitly points to the location of the Pmake tutorial on the system. So you can make a difference. It just (generally) happens faster if you send PRs with patches. [ Note, I say "generally" because I am well aware that there are a number of PRs assigned to -doc which have patches in them, and the question is then "Well, why haven't these been committed quickly then?". The answer is because a committer still needs to review the patch, and make sure it's appropriate. In some cases (if it's a typo, or something like that) this process is very quick. In other cases (for example, if the documentation is incorrect about a feature in a program, but it's unclear whether it's the documentation that should change or the program) this process can take longer. Also, anyone that follows the PR list knows that it's not unknown for myself, and others, to take the time once a month or so to sit down and work through the PR list, patching and applying as many as possible in one go. Sometimes that's the only way to work through it. Interested non-committers, who are looking for something to do, would greatly benefit the project by going through the PR database looking for PRs which have no patches, and writing patches, and submitting them to the same PR -- alternatively, if a PR has a patch attached to it, take a look at it. If it applies cleanly, and you think it makes sense (or if it doesn't apply cleanly, or there's something wrong with it) say so in the PR (details are on the web site). This makes the committer's lives much easier, and is a good way to get noticed so that someone @freebsd.org asks you to join the ranks of the insane^H^H^H^H^H^Hcommitters. ] N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 29 11:39:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9512A37B401 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:39:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eATJdHM71632; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:39:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Rich Morin Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: draft article, for review In-Reply-To: Message from Rich Morin of "Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:14:10 PST." Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:39:17 -0800 Message-ID: <71628.975526757@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The situation regarding sysinstall, in any case, might be one which > calls for help from another part of the FreeBSD Project. Might this > be a monkey which could be handed off (at least, in part) to the folks > who are in charge of sysinstall, per se? Those people are tired of other people handing them monkeys in sysinstall and are far more inclined to accept changes from 3rd party sources. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 29 12: 2:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-024-221-169-054.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B1737B401 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:02:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.168.205] (cerberus [192.168.168.205]) by cfcl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19672 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:02:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001129183258.A38444@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20001129144252.A23325@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20001129183258.A38444@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:02:47 -0800 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org From: Rich Morin Subject: documenting nonexistent files Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org One of the interesting points that arose in the make.conf(5) PR is the fact that /etc/make.conf (like many other files) doesn't exist by default and therefore can't be found with ls, let alone examined for comments. In some cases, this could be resolved by creating placeholder files that only have comments. Unfortunately: * The placeholder file would need to be read by the FreeBSD machinery, causing (a small amount of) wasted effort. * Some nonexistent files (e.g., log files) cause things to happen when they are created. * Adding files would add clutter to system directories. Nonetheless, it would be nice if there were an easy way to find out about such files. Ideally, the man pages for the programs that use them would mention them in their FILES sections and a man page would exist for each one. Meanwhile, a simple list of these files, with short descriptions, would be a useful help. As I have my own (Meta-related) reasons for assembling such a list, I am willing to collect information that anyone wants to send me about this sort of file. At some point, I might even be brave enough to create a man page! Meanwhile, I can put the list up for web access or whatever... -r Here is a starting set of names, to give you the general idea: File Client Note ==== ====== ==== /etc/ ccd.conf /etc/rc daily.local /etc/periodic/daily/999.local (obs.) exports /etc/rc.network ipsec.local /etc/rc.network mail/ sendmail.cf /etc/rc make.conf /usr/share/mk/sys.mk make.conf.local /usr/share/mk/sys.mk (error) monthly.local /etc/periodic/monthly/999.local (obs.) pccard.conf /etc/defaults/pccard.conf ptmp /etc/rc (auto) rc.conf.local /etc/defaults/rc.conf rc.diskless1 /etc/rc rc.local /etc/rc start_if.* /etc/rc.network (auto) sysctl.conf /etc/rc.sysctl weekly.local /etc/periodic/weekly/999.local (obs.) /var/ account/ acct /etc/rc (auto) db/ mounttab /etc/rc.shutdown run/ clean_var /etc/rc rc.suspend_pid /etc/rc.suspend (auto) -- -- Rich Morin: rdm@cfcl.com, +1 650-873-7841, http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Prime Time Freeware: info@ptf.com, +1 408-433-9662, http://www.ptf.com MacPerl: http://www.macperl.com, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MPPE MkLinux: http://www.mklinux.org, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MKLP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 29 12:10:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A377B37B698 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:10:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eATKA5j39412; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:10:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from vega.uli.it (vega.uli.it [62.212.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4176437B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:03:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from olgeni.localdomain.net (olgeni.uli.it [62.212.0.22]) by vega.uli.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961563B005 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:03:29 +0100 (CET) Received: (from olgeni@localhost) by olgeni.localdomain.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eATK42Q01823; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:04:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olgeni) Message-Id: <200011292004.eATK42Q01823@olgeni.localdomain.net> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:04:02 +0100 (CET) From: olgeni@uli.it Reply-To: olgeni@uli.it To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/23179: more sysinstall.8 layout fixes (small) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 23179 >Category: docs >Synopsis: more sysinstall.8 layout fixes (small) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Nov 29 12:10:00 PST 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jimmy Olgeni >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 >Organization: Colby >Environment: FreeBSD olgeni.localdomain.net 4.2-STABLE FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #0: Tue Nov 28 03:14:12 CET 2000 root@olgeni.localdomain.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BSDBOX i386 >Description: More micro-fixes for sysinstall.8 (layout only), so that all entries look the same. Was that "XXX" a reminder for something to be written/corrected? >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: *** sysinstall.8.orig Wed Nov 29 20:25:01 2000 --- sysinstall.8 Wed Nov 29 20:31:30 2000 *************** *** 607,613 **** variable). Defaults to lynx. .El .It installCommit - .Pp Commit any and all pending changes to disk. This function is essentially shorthand for a number of more granular "commit" functions. --- 607,612 ---- *************** *** 679,687 **** Select a tape device as the installation media. .Pp \fBVariables:\fR None - - .\" XXX - .It mediaSetFTP Select an FTP site as the installation media. .Pp --- 678,683 ---- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 29 13:32:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lists01.iafrica.com (lists01.iafrica.com [196.7.0.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F9237B402 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:32:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwl.fw.uunet.co.za ([196.31.2.162]) by lists01.iafrica.com with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 141Epr-0003p8-00; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:32:15 +0200 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by nwl.fw.uunet.co.za (8.8.8/8.6.9) id XAA03385; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:32:13 +0200 (SAST) Received: by nwl.fw.uunet.co.za via recvmail id 3134; Wed Nov 29 23:30:46 2000 Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.fw.uunet.co.za) by axl.fw.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 141EoP-0001HD-00; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:30:45 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Rich Morin Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: documenting nonexistent files In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:02:47 PST." Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:30:45 +0200 Message-ID: <4910.975533445@axl.fw.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:02:47 PST, Rich Morin wrote: > As I have my own (Meta-related) reasons for assembling such a > list, I am willing to collect information that anyone wants to > send me about this sort of file. At some point, I might even be > brave enough to create a man page! Meanwhile, I can put the list > up for web access or whatever... Why not take src/share/examples/etc under your wing? It could sure use a maintainer. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 29 13:49:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE51D37B401; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:49:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dannyboy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eATLntL60385; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:49:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyboy) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:49:55 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011292149.eATLntL60385@freefall.freebsd.org> To: olgeni@uli.it, dannyboy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/23179: more sysinstall.8 layout fixes (small) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: more sysinstall.8 layout fixes (small) State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dannyboy State-Changed-When: Wed Nov 29 13:49:32 PST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23179 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 29 23: 8: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-024-221-169-054.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CE637B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:07:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.168.205] (cerberus [192.168.168.205]) by cfcl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24542 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:07:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4910.975533445@axl.fw.uunet.co.za> References: <4910.975533445@axl.fw.uunet.co.za> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:07:59 -0800 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG From: Rich Morin Subject: Re: documenting nonexistent files Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, I can certainly agree that the directory needs work, but it is quite a reasonable starting point. Hmmmm; here is my take at an updated version of its "README.example" file (ducking :-); the directory also needs a slew of "starter" files, which I will take on if folks like what I've done so far... A passel of questions came up, BTW (and yes, I _did RTFM :-): * Are hosts.{allow, deny, and trusted} and ruserok(3) now part of the same system with hosts.equiv and rlogin(1)? (I really can't tell from the man pages). * What is the exact purpose of /etc/localtime? Who creates it? * Is my characterization of /etc/make.conf.local correct? * Is the saving of these files automated? If so, why aren't /etc/passwd and other files being saved? * I found a reference somewhere to pccard.sample, but now I can't seem to locate it (sigh). * Isn't there a man page for (Open)SSL? -r ===== $FreeBSD: usr/share/examples/etc/README.examples,v ... The /usr/share/examples/etc directory contains both the original distribution versions of the files which are shipped in /etc and "starter" versions of files which are NOT present by default, but which can (and occasionally should) be created for some purpose. This is intended to make it easier to recover when the /etc versions are accidentally deleted or broken beyond repair. A proper backup system and regular snapshots (e.g., via RCS or CVS) is recommended, however, for more safety. The /etc subtree contains (and can contain) a number of files. For more information on these files, see README2.examples and the comments in the example files themselves (if present). Legend: + generally present by default (e.g., at installation) - generally absent by default (e.g., at installation) / directory 1 may be present, depending on hardware architecture. 2 extension depends on network interface hardware adduser.conf + configuration file for adduser(8) aliases + sendmail(8) aliases(5) file amd.conf - configuration file for amd(8) amd.map + filesystem automounter (see amd(8)) lookup resolution map apmd.conf + configuration file for apmd(8) auth.conf + authentication capability database (see auth.conf(5)) ccd.conf - startup script for ccd (4), run by /etc/rc crontab + system scheduled command table (see crontab(5)) csh.cshrc + sample .cshrc (see csh(1)) csh.login + sample .login (see csh(1)) csh.logout + sample .logout (see csh(1)) daily.local - script, run by /etc/periodic/daily/999.local (obs.) defaults / default configuration files make.conf + configuration variables for system builds (see make(1)) pccard.conf + configuration file for pccardd(8) rc.conf + system configuration info (see rc.conf(5)) disktab + disk description file (see disktab(5)) dm.conf + configuration file for games (see dm(6)) fbtab + configuration file for login(1) (see fbtab(5) ftpusers + user restriction file for ftpd(8) (see ftp(1)) gettytab + defines port configuration for getty(8) (see gettytab(5)) group + group permissions file (see group(5)) host.conf + defines gethostbyname(3)'s name res. order a (see hosts(5)) hosts + predefines names as IP addresses (see hosts(5)) hosts.allow + defines trusted hosts for ruserok(3) (see hosts_access(5)) hosts.deny + defines denied hosts for ruserok(3) (see hosts_access(5)) hosts.equiv + defines system-wide trusted hosts (see ruserok(3)) hosts.lpd + defines trusted hosts for lpd(8) inetd.conf + configuration file for inetd(8) ipsec.local - startup script, run by /etc/rc (see ipsec(4)) localtime + binary reference file for localtime(3) locate.rc + configuration file for locate(1) login.access + configuration file for login(8) (see login.access(5)) login.conf + login class capabilities database (see login.conf(5)) mail / sendmail(8) mail transport agent control files sendmail.cf - raw control file; presence tested by /etc/rc * - assorted sendmail(8) control files mail.rc + systemwide initialization files for mail(1) make.conf - override file for defines/make.conf (see make.conf(5)) make.conf.local - make.conf(5) file, saved from before an upgrade manpath.config + configuration file for man(1) master.passwd + "real" user permissions file (see passwd(1), passwd(5)) modems + modem configuration database (see modems(5)) monthly.local - script, run by /etc/periodic/monthly/999.local (obs.) motd + text of the Message of the Day (see motd(5)) mtree / mtree(8) control files namedb / Internet domain server (DNS) control files (see named(8)) localhost.rev + reverse DNS lookup file named.conf + configuration file for named(8) named.root + information on root name servers netstart + network startup script run from /etc/rc networks + see networks(5) newsyslog.conf + configuration for system log file rotator newsyslog(8) pam.conf + configuration file for pam(8) pam.d / directory (if present) of override files for /etc/pam.conf passwd + "public" user permissions file (see passwd(1), passwd(5)) pccard.conf - override configuration file for pccardd(8) pccard.conf.sample - sample configuration file for pccardd(8) ??? pccard_ether + configuration script for ethernet pccards (see pccardd(8)) periodic / periodically run scripts (see periodic(8)) daily / scripts that are run daily weekly / scripts that are run monthly monthly / scripts that are run weekly phones + phone number database for tip(1) (see phones(5) pim6dd.conf + configuration file for pim6dd(8) (see pim6dd.conf(5)) pim6sd.conf + configuration file for pim6sd(8) (see pim6sd.conf(5)) printcap + configuration file for lpr(1) (see printcap(5)) profile + system-wide .profile for sh(1) protocols + protocol name data base (see protocols(5)) ptmp - password temporary lock file; presence tested by /etc/rc rc + system startup script (see init(8), rc(8)) rc.alpha 1 startup script for (Alpha) axp-specific processing rc.atm + networking startup script for atm(8) rc.conf.local - script run by /etc/rc.conf rc.devfs + startup script for devfs(5) rc.diskless1 - general BOOTP startup script, run by /etc/rc. rc.diskless2 - special script; run by /etc/rc per rc.diskless1. rc.firewall + setup system for ipfw(8) rc.i386 1 startup script for (Intel) i386-specific processing rc.isdn + startup script for isdnd(8) rc.local - startup script; run by /etc/rc rc.network + network startup script rc.pccard + startup script for PC-cards rc.serial + sample local startup script fragments rc.shutdown + system shutdown script (see init(8)) remote + configuration file for tip(1) rpc + rpc(3) program number data base (see rpc(5)) security + script run from crontab to do nightly security checks services + service name data base (see services(5)) shells + list of configurable shells (see shells(5)) skey.access + configuration file for skey(1) (see key(1), skey.access(5)) ssh / OpenSSH secure shell client control files (see ssh(1)) ssl / OpenSSL control files start_if.* 2 script, run by /etc/rc sysctl.conf - configuration file for sysctl(8) (see sysctl.conf(5)) syslog.conf + configuration file for syslogd(8) (see syslog.conf(5)) ttys + defines port configuration for init(8) (see ttys(5)) weekly.local - script run by /etc/periodic/weekly/999.local (obs.) -- -- Rich Morin: rdm@cfcl.com, +1 650-873-7841, http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Prime Time Freeware: info@ptf.com, +1 408-433-9662, http://www.ptf.com MacPerl: http://www.macperl.com, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MPPE MkLinux: http://www.mklinux.org, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MKLP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 1:20: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3674037B699 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:20:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAU9K2N77675; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:20:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE14437B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:11:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAU9B8a76673; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:11:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200011300911.eAU9B8a76673@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:11:08 -0800 (PST) From: j@vastmind.org To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/23189: Aesthetics: Beastie pic on main web page. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 23189 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Aesthetics: Beastie pic on main web page. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Nov 30 01:20:01 PST 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jason Spencer >Release: N/A >Organization: >Environment: >Description: The beastie on the bottom right of the main web page is coated in orange cruft. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: A gif that is anti-aliased for a white background rather than an orange one: http://www.vastmind.org/temp/dae_up2.gif >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 2:24:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D5A37B401 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 02:24:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id MAA27567; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:29:06 +0100 Message-ID: <3A262AF9.5020108@i-clue.de> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:24:57 +0100 From: Christoph Sold User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001127 X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rich Morin Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: documenting nonexistent files References: <4910.975533445@axl.fw.uunet.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Great work. I like it. Wish I had such a thing when I started to stumble around FreeBSD... Here's my $.02: Rich Morin wrote: [snip] > > ===== > [snip] > defaults / default configuration files Add a note not to change the files in the defaults directory, but to create a file with the same name in the /etc directory, and to just put the changed values into. > > make.conf + configuration variables for system builds (see make(1)) > pccard.conf + configuration file for pccardd(8) > rc.conf + system configuration info (see rc.conf(5)) > disktab + disk description file (see disktab(5)) > dm.conf + configuration file for games (see dm(6)) [snip] > mail / sendmail(8) mail transport agent control files > sendmail.cf - raw control file; presence tested by /etc/rc > * - assorted sendmail(8) control files Please add a pointer to the FreeBSD sendmail make mechanism. [snip] > phones + phone number database for tip(1) (see phones(5) > pim6dd.conf + configuration file for pim6dd(8) (see pim6dd.conf(5)) > pim6sd.conf + configuration file for pim6sd(8) (see pim6sd.conf(5)) A hint to /etc/ppp/... (both userland and kernel) would be helpful [snip] > rc + system startup script (see init(8), rc(8)) > rc.alpha 1 startup script for (Alpha) axp-specific processing > rc.atm + networking startup script for atm(8) rc.conf - System configuration file, overrides settings in /etc/defaults/rc.conf [snip] > > rc.local - startup script; run by /etc/rc Add: N.B: A better place to start local services is /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ HTH -Christoph Sold To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 5:57:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mukappa.home.com (c576194-a.saltlk1.ut.home.com [24.20.97.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5A937B402 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 05:57:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mukappa.home.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mukappa.home.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eAUDvUi15581; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 06:57:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mupi@mknet.org) From: Mike Porter Reply-To: mupi@mknet.org To: Christoph Sold , Rich Morin Subject: Re: documenting nonexistent files Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 06:57:29 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.94] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <4910.975533445@axl.fw.uunet.co.za> <3A262AF9.5020108@i-clue.de> In-Reply-To: <3A262AF9.5020108@i-clue.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00113006572909.11309@mukappa.home.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Christoph Sold wrote: > Great work. I like it. Wish I had such a thing when I started to stumble > around FreeBSD... Me Too! > > [snip] > > defaults / default configuration files > > Add a note not to change the files in the defaults directory, but to > create a file with the same name in the /etc directory, and to just put > the changed values into. > Although this may better belong in the handbook, where there is a little more space for a more detailed explanation, for a truly new user, they might appreciate something along the lines of: "use 'cp original_file ..' and then edit the new file (unless there ISN'T an "original" file in /etc/defaults, then you will need to copy it out of usr/share/examples/etc/defaults)" I know we want to kind of keep things simple in the README, but the copy in /etc/defaults (if it exists) (and if I am not mistaken....) should be treated as "more" canonical than /usr/share/examples/etc, especially in the case of a system that wasn't "properly" upgraded. (if they user is using CVS or whatever to update their system, /etc/defaults and /usr/share/examples/etc/defaults *should* be the same, unless I'm missing something, but if they aren't.... ) Overall, though, looks pretty good to my unpracticed eye. mike -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.3 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjomXMoACgkQZ7GovTQbIm4f7gCeNxWVOyGWMsqzuzvDJqRs0xWS XI8An2KjfWyKLZG6uk95Qi+2yBqMsNbj =ZAba -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 8:52:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A44537B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:52:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20001130165214.18140.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.5.115.3] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:52:14 PST Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:52:14 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Armstrong Subject: Daemon Icon To: freeBSD-doc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was surfing either your site or freebsddiary a while ago and found a page that displayed about 10 different freebsd icons for use on people's webpage to use as links to freebsd.org. I was wondering if you could tell me that page's address because I would like to put a freebsd icon in the corner of my page. I installed the operating system on one of my computers and it's hosting my website now. The system works great. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 8:55:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from envy.geekhouse.net (envy.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322B037B401 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:55:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jim@localhost) by envy.geekhouse.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAUGt8B10033; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:55:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:55:08 -0800 From: Jim Mock To: Steve Armstrong Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Daemon Icon Message-ID: <20001130085507.A9999@envy.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@lust.geekhouse.net References: <20001130165214.18140.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: <20001130165214.18140.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com>; from speedy2055@yahoo.com on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 08:52:14AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 at 08:52:14 -0800, Steve Armstrong wrote: > I was surfing either your site or freebsddiary a while > ago and found a page that displayed about 10 different > freebsd icons for use on people's webpage to use as > links to freebsd.org. I was wondering if you could > tell me that page's address because I would like to > put a freebsd icon in the corner of my page. I > installed the operating system on one of my computers > and it's hosting my website now. The system works great. http://www.FreeBSD.org/gallery/ - jim -- jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 9:16:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1A337B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:16:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eAUHG4S15677; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:16:04 -0800 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:16:04 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: Rich Morin Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: documenting nonexistent files Message-ID: <20001130091604.A7428@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <4910.975533445@axl.fw.uunet.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from rdm@cfcl.com on Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 11:07:59PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 11:07:59PM -0800, Rich Morin wrote: > Well, I can certainly agree that the directory needs work, but it > is quite a reasonable starting point. Hmmmm; here is my take at > an updated version of its "README.example" file (ducking :-); the > directory also needs a slew of "starter" files, which I will take > on if folks like what I've done so far... A great start. I've included some comments below. I might suggest that for obsolete files you use the one-character flag and mark them as O or something in that spot to they are clearly indicated early on. > A passel of questions came up, BTW (and yes, I _did RTFM :-): > > * Are hosts.{allow, deny, and trusted} and ruserok(3) now part of > the same system with hosts.equiv and rlogin(1)? (I really can't > tell from the man pages). hosts.allow is the tcpd (built into inetd) config file. hosts.deny is the depricated deny file for tcpd. I've never heard of hosts.trusted. ruserok is part of the r* protocols and thus is related to rlogin. > * What is the exact purpose of /etc/localtime? Who creates it? file says it's timezone data. I'm don't know how it's actually used. > * Is my characterization of /etc/make.conf.local correct? No. If that's still a valid file, it's like rc.conf.local (see below) in that it's really just a second place to modify the settings that were made in rc.conf or make.conf. It's there so you have defaults in /etc/defaults/blah.conf, site setting in /etc/blah.conf and host settings in /etc/blah.conf.local. If your host is your site then you generally don't use an /etc/blah.conf.local. > * Is the saving of these files automated? If so, why aren't > /etc/passwd and other files being saved? No automated saving of files is done at upgrade to my knowledge. > * I found a reference somewhere to pccard.sample, but now I > can't seem to locate it (sigh). It's probably a typo refrencing pccard.conf.sample since according to CVSWeb, there never was a pccard.sample. > * Isn't there a man page for (Open)SSL? It's openssl(1). There was a strange thing where it didn't show up the first time I typed "man openssl" just now, but then I tried "man ssl" which brought up openssl(1) and after that "man openssl" worked. Maybe there's a manpage installation bug here... > hosts.allow + defines trusted hosts for ruserok(3) (see hosts_access(5)) > hosts.deny + defines denied hosts for ruserok(3) (see hosts_access(5)) These have nothing to do with ruserok(3). hosts_access is correct. > netstart + network startup script run from /etc/rc This is obsolete (see comments in the file.) > pccard.conf.sample - sample configuration file for pccardd(8) ??? obsolete. > pccard_ether + configuration script for ethernet pccards (see pccardd(8)) It's also used by usb. It's increasingly misnamed as we get more interfaces which provide pluggable network devices and need the services it provides. > rc.conf.local - script run by /etc/rc.conf "local overrides of /etc/rc.conf" is probably more accurate. It's definatly not a script (well, it is but there's not assurance that it will be in the future.) > rc.local - startup script; run by /etc/rc Depricated. /usr/local/etc/rc.d is the prefered method at the moment. > start_if.* 2 script, run by /etc/rc I'm not sure where the 2 above came from. /etc/start_if. is run before ifconfig if . I think this is a really stupid way to accomplish this since it doesn't allow for more then one interface to use the same script in a way that's obvious and I'd much rather be able to configure it from rc.conf. (Yes, I have submitted patches for my prefered method. It's at the end of PR:conf/21489 if anyone cares.) -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 10:17:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-024-221-169-054.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3024C37B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:17:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.168.205] (cerberus [192.168.168.205]) by cfcl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30072 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:17:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00113006572909.11309@mukappa.home.com> References: <4910.975533445@axl.fw.uunet.co.za> <3A262AF9.5020108@i-clue.de> <00113006572909.11309@mukappa.home.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:17:40 -0800 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org From: Rich Morin Subject: Re: documenting nonexistent files Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 6:57 AM -0700 11/30/00, Mike Porter wrote: >On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Christoph Sold wrote: >> Great work. I like it. Wish I had such a thing >> when I started to stumble around FreeBSD... > >Me Too! > Thanks. FWIW, what I did was to take some of the info that I'm collecting for Meta and mash it into (something like) the format that was being used for the README.examples file. In Apple's A/UX operating system, BTW, there was a file called /FILES, which gave a short description of every file on the distributed system (including some "nonexistent" files). I have refrained from including any descriptive information that would cause the format to expand past one line per item. My feeling is that the README2.examples file (when created) and the comments in the example files themselves are better suited to deal with detailed (read, long-winded) explanations. I liked the idea of using "O" for obsolete, but that would have gotten in the way of the +/- distinction, so it lost out. >> * Is my characterization of /etc/make.conf.local correct? > >No. If that's still a valid file, it's like rc.conf.local ... Hmmm; I got my interpretation from /usr/share/mk/sys.mk: .if exists(/etc/make.conf.local) .error Error, original /etc/make.conf should be moved to the /etc/defaults/ directory and /etc/make.conf.local should be renamed to /etc/make.conf. .include .endif >> * Is the saving of these files automated? If so, why aren't >> /etc/passwd and other files being saved? > >No automated saving of files is done at upgrade to my knowledge. Sorry; I wasn't clear. There should be an "example-saving" script that runs when the FreeBSD distribution is being build. Otherwise, the files in /usr/share/examples/etc won't be reliably present, let alone current copies of the originals. Anyway, buoyed by the nice comments and suggestions, I have spent a bit more time on README.examples; here is my current snapshot. -r ===== $FreeBSD: usr/share/examples/etc/README.examples,v ... The /usr/share/examples/etc directory contains both the original distribution versions of the files which are shipped in /etc and "starter" versions of files which are NOT present by default, but which can (and occasionally should) be created for some purpose. This is intended to make it easier to recover when the /etc versions are accidentally deleted or broken beyond repair. A proper backup system and regular snapshots (e.g., via RCS or CVS) is recommended, however, for more safety. The /etc subtree contains (and can contain) a number of files. For more detailed information on these files, see the referenced man pages, README2.examples, and the example files (if present). Legend: + generally present by default (e.g., at installation) - generally absent by default (e.g., at installation) / directory @ symbolic link 1 may be present, depending on hardware architecture. 2 file extension depends on network interface hardware (obs.) obsolete, but retained for backwards compatibility adduser.conf + configuration file for adduser(8) aliases + sendmail(8) aliases(5) file amd.conf - configuration file for amd(8) amd.map + filesystem automounter (see amd(8)) lookup resolution map apmd.conf + configuration file for apmd(8) auth.conf + authentication capability database (see auth.conf(5)) ccd.conf - startup script for ccd (4), run by /etc/rc crontab + system scheduled command table (see crontab(5)) csh.cshrc + sample .cshrc (see csh(1)) csh.login + sample .login (see csh(1)) csh.logout + sample .logout (see csh(1)) daily.local - script, run by /etc/periodic/daily/999.local (obs.) defaults / default configuration files (do NOT modify) make.conf + configuration variables for system builds (see make(1)) pccard.conf + configuration file for pccardd(8) rc.conf + system configuration info (see rc.conf(5)) disktab + disk description file (see disktab(5)) dm.conf + configuration file for games (see dm(6)) dumpdates + log file for dump(8) fbtab + configuration file for login(1) (see fbtab(5) fstab + static information about the filesystems (see fstab(5)) ftpusers + user restriction file for ftpd(8) (see ftp(1)) gettytab + defines port configuration for getty(8) (see gettytab(5)) gnats / gnats control files group + group permissions file (see group(5)) host.conf + defines gethostbyname(3)'s name res. order a (see hosts(5)) hosts + predefines names as IP addresses (see hosts(5)) hosts.allow + defines trusted hosts (see hosts_access(5), hosts_access(3)) hosts.deny - defines denied hosts (see hosts_access(5), hosts_access(3)) hosts.equiv + defines system-wide trusted hosts (see hosts.equiv(5)) hosts.lpd + defines trusted hosts for lpd(8) inetd.conf + configuration file for inetd(8) ipsec.local - startup script, run by /etc/rc (see ipsec(4)) isdn / ISDN control files (see isdnd.rc(5), isdnd(8)) kerberosIV / Kerberos control files localtime + binary reference file for localtime(3) locate.rc + configuration file for locate(1) login.access + configuration file for login(8) (see login.access(5)) login.conf + login class capabilities database (see login.conf(5)) mail / sendmail(8) mail transport agent control files sendmail.cf - raw control file; presence tested by /etc/rc * - assorted sendmail(8) control files mail.rc + systemwide initialization files for mail(1) make.conf - override file for defines/make.conf (see make.conf(5)) make.conf.local - make.conf(5) file, saved from before an upgrade manpath.config + configuration file for man(1) master.passwd + "real" user permissions file (see passwd(1), passwd(5)) modems + modem configuration database (see modems(5)) monthly.local - script, run by /etc/periodic/monthly/999.local (obs.) motd + text of the Message of the Day (see motd(5)) mtree / mtree(8) control files namedb / Internet domain server (DNS) control files (see named(8)) localhost.rev + reverse DNS lookup file named.conf + configuration file for named(8) named.root + information on root name servers netstart + network startup script (obs.) networks + see networks(5) newsyslog.conf + configuration file for system log rotator newsyslog(8) objformat + configuration file for objformat(1) opiekeys + opie(4) database of user key information (see opiekeys(5)) pam.conf + configuration file for pam(8) pam.d / directory (if present) of override files for /etc/pam.conf passwd + "public" user permissions file (see passwd(1), passwd(5)) pccard.conf - override configuration file for pccardd(8) pccard.conf.sample - sample configuration file for pccardd(8) (obs.) pccard_ether + configuration script for ethernet pccards (see pccardd(8)) periodic / periodically run scripts (see periodic(8)) daily / scripts that are run daily weekly / scripts that are run monthly monthly / scripts that are run weekly phones + phone number database for tip(1) (see phones(5) pim6dd.conf + configuration file for pim6dd(8) (see pim6dd.conf(5)) pim6sd.conf + configuration file for pim6sd(8) (see pim6sd.conf(5)) printcap + configuration file for lpr(1) (see printcap(5)) profile + system-wide .profile for sh(1) protocols + protocol name data base (see protocols(5)) ptmp - password temporary lock file; presence tested by /etc/rc pwd.db + binary database for pwd(1) rc + system startup script (see init(8), rc(8)) rc.alpha 1 startup script for (Alpha) axp-specific processing rc.atm + networking startup script for atm(8) rc.conf + system configuration information (see rc.conf(5)) rc.conf.local - local configuration override script (see rc.conf(5)) rc.devfs + startup script for devfs(5) rc.diskless1 - general BOOTP startup script, run by /etc/rc. rc.diskless2 - special script; run by /etc/rc per rc.diskless1. rc.firewall + setup system for ipfw(8) rc.i386 1 startup script for (Intel) i386-specific processing rc.isdn + startup script for isdnd(8) rc.local - startup script; run by /etc/rc (obs.) rc.network + network startup script rc.network6 + network startup script for IPV6 (see ip6(4)) rc.pccard + startup script for PC-cards rc.resume + startup script for APM Resume Event rc.serial + sample local startup script fragments rc.shutdown + system shutdown script (see init(8)) rc.suspend + startup script for APM Suspend Event rc.sysctl + startup script for sysctl(8) remote + configuration file for tip(1) resolv.conf + resolver(3) configuration file (see resolv.conf(5)) rmt @ symlink to rmt(8) command rpc + rpc(3) program number data base (see rpc(5)) security + script, run from crontab to do nightly security checks services + service name data base (see services(5)) shells + list of configurable shells (see shells(5)) skel / ??? skey.access + configuration file for skey(1) (see key(1), skey.access(5)) skeykeys + data file for skey(1) (see key(1), skey.access(5)) spwd.db + binary database for pwd(1) ssh / OpenSSH secure shell client control files (see ssh(1)) ssl / OpenSSL control files (see ssl(1)) start_if.* 2 startup script, run by /etc/rc (see ifconfog(8)) sysctl.conf - configuration file for sysctl(8) (see sysctl.conf(5)) syslog.conf + configuration file for syslogd(8) (see syslog.conf(5)) termcap @ symlink to terminal capability data base (see termcap(5)) ttys + defines port configuration for init(8) (see ttys(5)) usbd.conf + configuration file for usb(4) daemon (see usbd.conf(5)) uucp / control files for uucp(1) wall_cmos_clock + ??? weekly.local - script run by /etc/periodic/weekly/999.local (obs.) -- -- Rich Morin: rdm@cfcl.com, +1 650-873-7841, http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Prime Time Freeware: info@ptf.com, +1 408-433-9662, http://www.ptf.com MacPerl: http://www.macperl.com, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MPPE MkLinux: http://www.mklinux.org, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MKLP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 10:48:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from surfree.net.il (mail.surfree.net.il [212.3.192.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0662037B401 for ; 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Date: 30 Nov 2000 20:48:23 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20001130184751.0662037B401@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www14.brinkster.com/karon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 11:17: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from surfree.net.il (mail.surfree.net.il [212.3.192.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A4CE637B401 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:16:49 -0800 (PST) Received: From [mail.surfree.net.il 213.151.4.243] By SuperMail at surfree.net.il with SMTP; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:15:40 +0200 GMT From: jeny@FreeBSD.ORG To: , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Answer To Your Question. Date: 30 Nov 2000 21:18:11 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20001130191649.A4CE637B401@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www14.brinkster.com/karon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 13:48:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B35937B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:48:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA42752 for doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:48:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:48:39 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: troubleshooting tree revisited Message-ID: <20001130164838.A42727@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (For those who missed earlier episodes, I'm working on a web-based problem resolution tree for FreeBSD.) Well, since I last brought this up I've been learning SGML and learning how the docs tree works. Meanwhile, I've been figuring out how to tackle this. I wanted to throw out some ideas and get them shot down before I go any further. :) jkh suggested a nice file that contained the decision tree, and that could be parsed to generate HTML. That's a great idea. I'm completely unqualified to do it properly. (I'm qualified to do it suckily, but I don't have time to make something that sucks.) If you're capable and willing to do this, please stop me now. Considerations: 1) long-term maintainable 2) can be handed over to the FreeBSD project when complete 3) I'm happy to do the work, but I'm opposed to extra work :) Ideally, we should only maintain each piece of information in one place; it will make long-term maintenance infinitely easier. That turns a troubleshooting tree into an index for the Handbook, FAQ, articles, and man pages. Unfortunately, the entries in the Handbook, FAQ, etc., are frequently "over the heads" of some of the users we're getting now. The entries also don't address how to troubleshoot or check some of these things. For example, I'm going to pick on http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/admin.html#USER-FLOPPYMOUNT , simply because it's the question that finally made me snap and start this. Step 1 tells you to set the sysctl, but not how to check it. Later, you're told to create a directory, but not how to check the ownership. So, I have a few choices: 1) assume all readers are UNIX-literate, and abandon -questions to the current cesspool of ex-Windows folks who don't know how to help themselves. Makes the whole thing moot. Very maintainable, at least from the -doc point of view. 2) maintain a separate information tree. Pros: can do whatever the hell I want. Very poorly maintainable. 3) "dumb down" the Handbook and FAQ. Very maintainable. Downside: I would be hung by competent FreeBSD admins who just want to RTFM and get a quick answers. YMMV, but I think the downside is unacceptable, so I'm not going to do the work. 4) Add additional information as needed, but make it accessible through a "link" in the FAQ or Handbook (i.e., some sort of "beginners'" or "extra help" link). We could use conditional SGML compilation to keep this out of the print versions. Downsides: bloat. Lots more files. Plus I don't know how to set this up in the context of FreeBSD's build system -- I'd need to spend a while getting it to work, or get someone to set up one as an example. Very maintainable. Desirability: well, you folks have been maintaining -docs, you tell me. 5) Your miracle suggestion that will make all of this moot with almost no work whatsoever. Desirability: high. My preference is #4. Comments? Suggestions? Threats? Thanks, ==ml -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 14:12:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mukappa.home.com (c576194-a.saltlk1.ut.home.com [24.20.97.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1A737B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:12:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mukappa.home.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mukappa.home.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eAUMCZi17137; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:12:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mupi@mknet.org) From: Mike Porter Reply-To: mupi@mknet.org To: Rich Morin , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: documenting nonexistent files Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:12:34 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.94] Content-Type: text/plain References: <4910.975533445@axl.fw.uunet.co.za> <00113006572909.11309@mukappa.home.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0011301512340A.11309@mukappa.home.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Rich Morin wrote: > > I have refrained from including any descriptive information > that would cause the format to expand past one line per item. > My feeling is that the README2.examples file (when created) > and the comments in the example files themselves are better > suited to deal with detailed (read, long-winded) explanations. > That sounds like a good idea. > Sorry; I wasn't clear. There should be an "example-saving" script > that runs when the FreeBSD distribution is being build. Otherwise, > the files in /usr/share/examples/etc won't be reliably present, let > alone current copies of the originals. > If such a script is implemented into build- or install-world, then I think my prior comments about which version to use could be safely ignored. Otherwise, this is exactly the sort of problem that can arise if a user tries to copy something from /usr/share/examples/etc/defaults to /etc/defaults when the file already exists in /etc/defaults. I guess in theory mergemaster should be able to take care of such things, but one cannot always count on such "automated" functions to happen correctly. Adding functionality to mergemaster might be easier; locally, it should be possible using MM_PRE_COMMAND or MM_EXIT_COMMAND to have mergemaster also process /usr/share/examples/etc. > > localtime + binary reference file for localtime(3) I remeber you asking about this file.... see also tzfile(5). From tzfile(5): " The time zone information files used by tzset(3) begin with the magic characters ``TZif'' to identify them as time zone information files," - From "less /etc/localtime" (after answering "yes" the check of your sanity....): "TZif^@^@^@^@^^@^@...." Unless I miss my guess, this file is created for you by sysinstall when you set you time zone, and is then used to help c programs process time via localtime() and its relatives. tzfile(5) explains a lot about what the various bits mean, but since it isn't really pracitcal to edit this file by hand, I'm not sure what you can actually DO with this information. > skel / ??? /etc/skel is the "traditional" (or "old") location for the initial users home directory as created by adduser. (see adduser.conf) FreeBSD uses /usr/share/skel instead, but most Linuxen still use /etc/skel. (perhaps "old"="SysV-ish" and "freeBSD"="BSD-ish" would be more accurate an assesment (at least would tend to explain why linux uses that and BSD doesn't, as Linux is typically SysV-ish)? Someone with more BSD experience than me would have to comment on that.) In any case, /etc/skel (or /usr/share/skel) is where you put things that need to appear by default in new user's home directories (for example, a system-wide .login or .profile or .cshrc. This is also a convienient place to have ~user/public_html linked to the web servers root directory. I think given that freeBSD's adduser defaults to /usr/share/skel you might safely indicate that it is (obs.). (I'll leave it to your editorial skills to condense that to a one-liner...) ( oh yeah, hope that helped.....) mike -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.3 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjom0NMACgkQZ7GovTQbIm67XwCgiOCikt3uDoJBKK4/4/49CiKZ kjYAnjlI2r05uuCXuLiGmECOT7Ckxgah =k3Sg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 14:15:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from envy.geekhouse.net (envy.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9965237B402 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:15:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jim@localhost) by envy.geekhouse.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAUMFIw34029; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:15:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:15:17 -0800 From: Jim Mock To: Michael Lucas Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: troubleshooting tree revisited Message-ID: <20001130141517.A33926@envy.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@lust.geekhouse.net References: <20001130164838.A42727@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: <20001130164838.A42727@blackhelicopters.org>; from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 04:48:39PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 at 16:48:39 -0500, Michael Lucas wrote: [snip..] > So, I have a few choices: > > 1) assume all readers are UNIX-literate, and abandon -questions to the > current cesspool of ex-Windows folks who don't know how to help > themselves. Makes the whole thing moot. Very maintainable, at least > from the -doc point of view. > > 2) maintain a separate information tree. Pros: can do whatever the > hell I want. Very poorly maintainable. > > 3) "dumb down" the Handbook and FAQ. Very maintainable. Downside: I > would be hung by competent FreeBSD admins who just want to RTFM and > get a quick answers. YMMV, but I think the downside is unacceptable, > so I'm not going to do the work. This isn't a totally bad thing. We can have a "dumbed down" book and turn it into the new user's handbook instead of what I have at http://soupnazi.org/FreeBSD/docs/ since we wanted such a book anyway. It would be something along the lines of the developers handbook and the porter's handbook, only for new users. Thoughts? - jim -- jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 14:33:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECD137B699 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:32:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E9265573A9; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:32:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:32:57 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Handbook L10N chapter update Message-ID: <20001130163257.A20217@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="wac7ysb48OaltWcw" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --wac7ysb48OaltWcw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hello, I have updated the l10n chapter of the handbook and attached a cvs diff. However, I have a few questions regarding this. Why did someone change the examples to European languages only when I originally had CJK *and* European examples? The current version only has German and Russian examples, which does not help the Asian users very much. There are many many problems with CJK support and we do not address any of those after the changes. Please, I ask you to not just assume that everybody living in the world speaks ISO8859-1/15 languages. And please notify me before you make *any* changes to that chapter for a small peer review like what should happen in the monolithic peer-reviewed FreeBSD development system. I have been fighting these secret changes several times since Rev. 1.16, and it is now Rev.1.40, still fighting. -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ --wac7ysb48OaltWcw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="l10n.sgml.diff" Index: chapter.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/l10n/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.40 diff -u -r1.40 chapter.sgml --- chapter.sgml 2000/08/25 08:53:23 1.40 +++ chapter.sgml 2000/11/30 20:21:52 @@ -1,16 +1,16 @@ - + Localization - I18N/L10N Usage and Setup Contributed by &a.ache; - Rewritten by Michael Chin-Yuan Wu - keichii@mail.utexas.edu, 6 March 2000. + Rewritten by Michael C. Wu + keichii@iteration.net, 30 Nov 2000. Synopsis @@ -24,8 +24,8 @@ that is responsible for each language. The author realizes that he may have been incomplete in the - description of the i18n process in FreeBSD. Due to the various - levels of i18n implementation in both the system and application + description of the I18N process in FreeBSD. Due to the various + levels of I18N implementation in both the system and application levels, we advise you to refer to individual documentation, man pages, READMEs, and so forth. @@ -37,42 +37,42 @@ The Basics - What is i18n/l10n? + What is I18N/L10N? - Developers shortened internationalization into the term i18n, + Developers shortened internationalization into the term I18N, counting the number of letters between the first and the last - letters of internationalization. l10n uses the same naming + letters of internationalization. L10N uses the same naming scheme, coming from "localization". Combined - together, i18n/l10n methods, protocols, and applications allow + together, I18N/L10N methods, protocols, and applications allow users to use languages of their choice. - I18n applications are programmed using i18n kits under + I18N applications are programmed using I18N kits under libraries. It allows for developers to write a simple file and translate displayed menus and texts to each language. We strongly encourage programmers to follow this convention. - Why should I use i18n/l10n? + Why should I use I18N/L10N? - I18n/l10n is used whenever you wish to either view, input, or + I18N/L10N is used whenever you wish to either view, input, or process data in non-English languages. - What languages are supported in the i18n effort? + What languages are supported in the I18N effort? - I18n and l10n are not FreeBSD specific. Currently, one can + I18N and L10N are not FreeBSD specific. Currently, one can choose from most of the major languages of the World, including - but not limited to: Chinese, German, Japanese, French, Russian, - and others. + but not limited to: Chinese, German, Japanese, Korean, French, + Russian, Vietnamese and others. Using Localization - In all its splendor, i18n is not FreeBSD-specific and is a + In all its splendor, I18N is not FreeBSD-specific and is a convention. We encourage you to help FreeBSD in following this convention. @@ -87,7 +87,7 @@ Language and Country Codes In order to localize a FreeBSD system to a specific language - (or any other i18n-supporting UNIX's), the user needs to find out + (or any other I18N-supporting UNIX's), the user needs to find out the codes for the specify country and language (country codes tell applications what variation of given language to use). In addition, web @@ -134,9 +134,9 @@ usually do recognize 8-bit characters. Depending on the implementation, users may be required to compile an application with wide or multibyte characters support, or configure it correctly. - To be able to input and process wide or multibyte characters, the FreeBSD Ports collection has provided - each language with different programs. Refer to the i18n + each language with different programs. Refer to the I18N documentation in the respective FreeBSD Port. Specifically, the user needs to look at the application @@ -149,7 +149,7 @@ Language specific single C chars character sets (see &man.multibyte.3;), i.e., - ISO_8859-1, KOI8-R, CP437. + ISO_8859-1, ISO_8859-15, KOI8-R, CP437. @@ -163,10 +163,10 @@ - I18n applications + I18N applications - In the FreeBSD Ports and Package system, i18n applications - have been named with i18n in their names for + In the FreeBSD Ports and Package system, I18N applications + have been named with I18N in their names for easy identification. However, they do not always support the language needed. @@ -233,10 +233,31 @@ encoding: -me:My Account:\ +german:German User:\ :charset=ISO-8859-1:\ :lang=de_DE.ISO_8859-1: + Here is an example of a + .login_conf that sets the variables + for Traditional Chinese in BIG-5 encoding. Notice the many + more variables set because some software does not respect + locale variables correctly for Chinese, Japanese, and Korean. + + +#Users who do not wish to use monetary units or time formats +#of Taiwan can manually change each variable +taiwan:Taiwanese User:\ + lang=zh_TW.Big5:\ + lc_all=zh_TW.Big:\ + lc_collate=zh_TW.Big5:\ + lc_ctype=zh_TW.Big5:\ + lc_messages=zh_TW.Big5:\ + lc_monetary=zh_TW.Big5:\ + lc_numeric=zh_TW.Big5:\ + lc_time=zh_TW.Big5:\ + charset=big5:\ + xmodifiers="@im=xcin": #Setting the XIM Input Server + See Administrator Level Setup and &man.login.conf.5; for more details. @@ -516,7 +537,7 @@ web site or whichever X11 Server you use. In ~/.Xresources, you can additionally - tune application specific i18n settings (e.g., fonts, menus, + tune application specific I18N settings (e.g., fonts, menus, etc.). @@ -574,15 +595,15 @@ Advanced Topics - If you wish to compile i18n applications or program i18n + If you wish to compile I18N applications or program I18N compliant applications, please read this section. - Compiling i18n Programs + Compiling I18N Programs - Many FreeBSD Ports have been ported with i18n support. Some - of them are marked with -i18n in the port name. These and many - other programs have built in support for i18n and need no special + Many FreeBSD Ports have been ported with I18N support. Some + of them are marked with -I18N in the port name. These and many + other programs have built in support for I18N and need no special consideration. However, some applications such as MySQL need to be have the @@ -593,43 +614,55 @@ - Programming i18n Compliant Applications + Programming I18N Compliant Applications To make your application more useful for speakers of other - languages, we hope that you will program i18n compliant. The GNU - gcc compiler, GUI Libraries like QT and GTK support i18n through - special handling of strings. Making a program i18n compliant is + languages, we hope that you will program I18N compliant. The GNU + gcc compiler, GUI Libraries like QT and GTK support I18N through + special handling of strings. Making a program I18N compliant is very easy. It allows contributors to port your application to - other languages quickly. Refer to library specific i18n + other languages quickly. Refer to library specific I18N documentation for more details. - To the contrary of common perception, i18n compliant code is + To the contrary of common perception, I18N compliant code is easy to write. Usually, it only involves wrapping your strings with library specific functions. In addition, please be sure to allow for wide or multibyte characters support. - A Call to Unify the i18n effort + A Call to Unify the I18N effort - It has come to our attention that the individual i18n/l10n + It has come to our attention that the individual I18N/L10N efforts for each country has been repeating each others' efforts. Many of us have been reinventing the wheel repeatedly and inefficiently. We hope that the various major groups in - i18n could congregate into a group effort similar to the Core + I18N could congregate into a group effort similar to the Core Team's responsibility. - Currently, we hope that, when you write or port i18n + Currently, we hope that, when you write or port I18N programs, you would send it out to each country's related FreeBSD mailing lists for testing. In the future, we hope to create applications that work in all the languages out-of-the-box without dirty hacks. + + The mailing list FreeBSD-I18N@FreeBSD.org + has been established. If you are an I18N/L10N developer, + please send your comments, ideas, questions, and anything + you deem related to it. + + Michael C. Wu will be maintaining an I18N works in progress + homepage at http://www.iteration.net/~keichii/i18n/index.html + Please also read the BSDCon2000 I18N paper and presentations + by Clive Lin, Chia-Liang Kao, and Michael C. Wu at http://www.ece.utexas.edu/~mwu Perl and Python - Perl and Python have i18n and wide characters handling - libraries. Please use them for i18n compliance. + Perl and Python have I18N and wide characters handling + libraries. Please use them for I18N compliance. In older FreeBSD versions, Perl may gives warning about not having a wide characters locale @@ -852,10 +885,10 @@ Traditional Chinese Localization for Taiwan - The FreeBSD-Taiwan Project has an i18n/l10n tutorial for - FreeBSD at http://freebsd.sinica.edu.tw/~ncvs/zh-l10n-tut/index.html + The FreeBSD-Taiwan Project has an I18N/L10N tutorial for + FreeBSD at http://freebsd.sinica.edu.tw/~ncvs/zh-l10n-tut/index.html using many /usr/ports/chinese/* applications. - The editor for the zh-l10n-tut is Clive Lin + The editor for the zh-L10N-tut is Clive Lin Clive@CirX.org. You can also cvsup the following collections at freebsd.sinica.edu.tw: @@ -876,7 +909,7 @@ - zh-l10n-tut tag=. + zh-L10N-tut tag=. Localizing FreeBSD Tutorial in BIG-5 Traditional Chinese @@ -893,7 +926,7 @@ Chuan-Hsing Shen s874070@mail.yzu.edu.tw has created the Chinese FreeBSD Collection (CFC) using FreeBSD-Taiwan's - zh-l10n-tut. The packages and the script files + zh-L10N-tut. The packages and the script files are available at ftp://ftp.csie.ncu.edu.tw/OS/FreeBSD/taiwan/CFC/. --wac7ysb48OaltWcw-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 14:50:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1FA37B69C for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:50:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA43003; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:49:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:49:59 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: Jim Mock Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: troubleshooting tree revisited Message-ID: <20001130174959.A42968@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20001130164838.A42727@blackhelicopters.org> <20001130141517.A33926@envy.geekhouse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20001130141517.A33926@envy.geekhouse.net>; from jim@lust.geekhouse.net on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 02:15:17PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 02:15:17PM -0800, Jim Mock wrote: > > 3) "dumb down" the Handbook and FAQ. Very maintainable. Downside: I > > would be hung by competent FreeBSD admins who just want to RTFM and > > get a quick answers. YMMV, but I think the downside is unacceptable, > > so I'm not going to do the work. > > This isn't a totally bad thing. We can have a "dumbed down" book and > turn it into the new user's handbook instead of what I have at > http://soupnazi.org/FreeBSD/docs/ since we wanted such a book > anyway. It would be something along the lines of the developers > handbook and the porter's handbook, only for new users. Thoughts? Then we get into maintaining information in multiple places. :( Unless "conditional compilation" is an option... have two books, but one SGML file... ==ml -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 14:52:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from envy.geekhouse.net (envy.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F41737B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jim@localhost) by envy.geekhouse.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAUMqak35773; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:52:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:52:36 -0800 From: Jim Mock To: "Michael C . Wu" Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Handbook L10N chapter update Message-ID: <20001130145235.A34244@envy.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@lust.geekhouse.net References: <20001130163257.A20217@peorth.iteration.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: <20001130163257.A20217@peorth.iteration.net>; from keichii@iteration.net on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 04:32:57PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 at 16:32:57 -0600, Michael C . Wu wrote: > Hello, > > I have updated the l10n chapter of the handbook and attached > a cvs diff. However, I have a few questions regarding this. > Why did someone change the examples to European languages only > when I originally had CJK *and* European examples? The current > version only has German and Russian examples, which does not help > the Asian users very much. There are many many problems with > CJK support and we do not address any of those after the changes. I'll look at this today. IIRC, ache changed the examples. Check the cvs logs.. the answer is probably there (no, I haven't looked). - jim -- jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 14:56: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from envy.geekhouse.net (envy.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB4637B402 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:56:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jim@localhost) by envy.geekhouse.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAUMu3H36766; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:56:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:56:01 -0800 From: Jim Mock To: Michael Lucas Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: troubleshooting tree revisited Message-ID: <20001130145559.B34244@envy.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@lust.geekhouse.net References: <20001130164838.A42727@blackhelicopters.org> <20001130141517.A33926@envy.geekhouse.net> <20001130174959.A42968@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: <20001130174959.A42968@blackhelicopters.org>; from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 05:49:59PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 at 17:49:59 -0500, Michael Lucas wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 02:15:17PM -0800, Jim Mock wrote: > > > 3) "dumb down" the Handbook and FAQ. Very maintainable. Downside: I > > > would be hung by competent FreeBSD admins who just want to RTFM and > > > get a quick answers. YMMV, but I think the downside is unacceptable, > > > so I'm not going to do the work. > > > > This isn't a totally bad thing. We can have a "dumbed down" book and > > turn it into the new user's handbook instead of what I have at > > http://soupnazi.org/FreeBSD/docs/ since we wanted such a book > > anyway. It would be something along the lines of the developers > > handbook and the porter's handbook, only for new users. Thoughts? > > Then we get into maintaining information in multiple places. :( > Unless "conditional compilation" is an option... have two books, but > one SGML file... No.. I mean it'd be it's own book. Maintained in one place. Not part of the handbook, but it's own separate animal like the porter's handbook (http://www.FreeBSD.org/porters-handbook/). - jim -- jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 15: 6:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEF337B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:06:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA43170; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:06:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:06:55 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: Jim Mock Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: troubleshooting tree revisited Message-ID: <20001130180655.A43140@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20001130164838.A42727@blackhelicopters.org> <20001130141517.A33926@envy.geekhouse.net> <20001130174959.A42968@blackhelicopters.org> <20001130145559.B34244@envy.geekhouse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20001130145559.B34244@envy.geekhouse.net>; from jim@lust.geekhouse.net on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 02:56:01PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 02:56:01PM -0800, Jim Mock wrote: > No.. I mean it'd be it's own book. Maintained in one place. Not part > of the handbook, but it's own separate animal like the porter's > handbook (http://www.FreeBSD.org/porters-handbook/). Hmmm... I suppose so. It could list some of the basic FreeBSD system commands (grep, ls, sysctl, cd...) You've given that some thought, obviously; what else should go in? ==ml -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 15:10: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4995F37B402 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:10:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAUNA1K16101; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-26-235-186.mmcable.com [65.26.235.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A43B37B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:05:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 40603 invoked by uid 100); 30 Nov 2000 23:05:19 -0000 Message-Id: <20001130230519.40602.qmail@guru.mired.org> Date: 30 Nov 2000 23:05:19 -0000 From: mwm@mired.org Reply-To: mwm@mired.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/23200: [PATCH] New FAQ entry, describing securelevel time change problem Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 23200 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] New FAQ entry, describing securelevel time change problem >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Nov 30 15:10:00 PST 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Mike Meyer >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Meyer Consulting >Environment: System: FreeBSD guru.mired.org 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #0: Sun Nov 19 06:16:20 CST 2000 mwm@guru.mired.org:/usr/obj/sharetmp/src/sys/GURU i386 >Description: Lots of people are running into not being able to change the time by more than a second because they are have kern.securelevel > 1. This is a clone of my previous FAQ entry about chflags and secure level, tweaked for time changes. >How-To-Repeat: Hang out in -questions and watch this one go back. >Fix: Apply the attached patch. Note that I also fixed a dangling pronoun in the preceeding question while I found was cloning it. Aside: the docs people are to be congratulated on how quickly they respond to such pr's! --- book.sgml Sun Nov 26 15:08:44 2000 +++ /tmp/book.sgml Thu Nov 30 17:04:01 2000 @@ -6533,13 +6533,40 @@ &prompt.root; sysctl kern.securelevel You cannot lower the security level; you have to boot - to single mode to install the kernel, or change it in - /etc/rc.conf then reboot. See the - &man.init.8; man page for details on securelevel, and + to single mode to install the kernel, or change the + security in /etc/rc.conf then reboot. See + the &man.init.8; man page for details on securelevel, and see /etc/defaults/rc.conf and the &man.rc.conf.5; man page for more information on rc.conf. + + + + I can't change the time on my system by more than one second! + How do I get around this? + + + + Short answer: You're probably at security level + greater than 1. Reboot directly to single user mode to + change the date. + + Long answer: FreeBSD disallows changing the time by + more that one second at security levels greater than 1. You + can check your security level with the command: + + &prompt.root; sysctl kern.securelevel + + You cannot lower the security level; you have to boot + to single mode to change the date, or change the security + level in /etc/rc.conf then reboot. See + the &man.init.8; man page for details on securelevel, and + see /etc/defaults/rc.conf and the + &man.rc.conf.5; man page for more information on rc.conf. + + + >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 15:12:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from envy.geekhouse.net (envy.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD73B37B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:12:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jim@localhost) by envy.geekhouse.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAUNCdh37139; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:12:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:12:38 -0800 From: Jim Mock To: "Michael C . Wu" Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Handbook L10N chapter update Message-ID: <20001130151238.A37062@envy.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@lust.geekhouse.net References: <20001130163257.A20217@peorth.iteration.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: <20001130163257.A20217@peorth.iteration.net>; from keichii@iteration.net on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 04:32:57PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 at 16:32:57 -0600, Michael C . Wu wrote: [snip..] > - > + Don't do this. There are reasons for it being lowercase -- see the top of chapters.ent. Other than that, it looks ok.. I had to fix a few tags (you had a that should've been and a that should've been ) and I'll be committing it in a few minutes. - jim -- jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 15:18: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from envy.geekhouse.net (envy.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBDC37B402 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jim@localhost) by envy.geekhouse.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAUNHvN37185; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:17:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:17:57 -0800 From: Jim Mock To: Michael Lucas Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: troubleshooting tree revisited Message-ID: <20001130151757.B37062@envy.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@lust.geekhouse.net References: <20001130164838.A42727@blackhelicopters.org> <20001130141517.A33926@envy.geekhouse.net> <20001130174959.A42968@blackhelicopters.org> <20001130145559.B34244@envy.geekhouse.net> <20001130180655.A43140@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: <20001130180655.A43140@blackhelicopters.org>; from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 06:06:55PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 at 18:06:55 -0500, Michael Lucas wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 02:56:01PM -0800, Jim Mock wrote: > > No.. I mean it'd be it's own book. Maintained in one place. Not > > part of the handbook, but it's own separate animal like the porter's > > handbook (http://www.FreeBSD.org/porters-handbook/). > > Hmmm... I suppose so. It could list some of the basic FreeBSD system > commands (grep, ls, sysctl, cd...) You've given that some thought, > obviously; what else should go in? I think a general description of FreeBSD and a little of it's history should go in (i.e., how long it's been around, etc., etc.), and something about where to look for help -- mailing lists, etc... - jim -- jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 15:19:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E0437B402 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:19:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA43283; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:19:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:19:14 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: Jim Mock Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: troubleshooting tree revisited Message-ID: <20001130181914.A43266@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20001130164838.A42727@blackhelicopters.org> <20001130141517.A33926@envy.geekhouse.net> <20001130174959.A42968@blackhelicopters.org> <20001130145559.B34244@envy.geekhouse.net> <20001130180655.A43140@blackhelicopters.org> <20001130151757.B37062@envy.geekhouse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20001130151757.B37062@envy.geekhouse.net>; from jim@lust.geekhouse.net on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 03:17:57PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 03:17:57PM -0800, Jim Mock wrote: > > Hmmm... I suppose so. It could list some of the basic FreeBSD system > > commands (grep, ls, sysctl, cd...) You've given that some thought, > > obviously; what else should go in? > > I think a general description of FreeBSD and a little of it's history > should go in (i.e., how long it's been around, etc., etc.), and > something about where to look for help -- mailing lists, etc... You've got that on your site already. :) What else? -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 15:24:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from envy.geekhouse.net (envy.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9919137B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jim@localhost) by envy.geekhouse.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAUNO9937413; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:24:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:24:09 -0800 From: Jim Mock To: Michael Lucas Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: troubleshooting tree revisited Message-ID: <20001130152409.A37383@envy.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@lust.geekhouse.net References: <20001130164838.A42727@blackhelicopters.org> <20001130141517.A33926@envy.geekhouse.net> <20001130174959.A42968@blackhelicopters.org> <20001130145559.B34244@envy.geekhouse.net> <20001130180655.A43140@blackhelicopters.org> <20001130151757.B37062@envy.geekhouse.net> <20001130181914.A43266@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: <20001130181914.A43266@blackhelicopters.org>; from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 06:19:14PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 at 18:19:14 -0500, Michael Lucas wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 03:17:57PM -0800, Jim Mock wrote: > > > Hmmm... I suppose so. It could list some of the basic FreeBSD > > > system commands (grep, ls, sysctl, cd...) You've given that some > > > thought, obviously; what else should go in? > > > > I think a general description of FreeBSD and a little of it's > > history should go in (i.e., how long it's been around, etc., etc.), > > and something about where to look for help -- mailing lists, etc... > > You've got that on your site already. :) What else? Good question :-) Anyone else have ideas for this? Nik? I know you had some comments the last time this stuff was discussed :-) - jim -- jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 15:33:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA2C37B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:33:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 039E9573A9; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:33:32 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:33:31 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: Jim Mock Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Handbook L10N chapter update Message-ID: <20001130173331.B28757@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" References: <20001130163257.A20217@peorth.iteration.net> <20001130151238.A37062@envy.geekhouse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001130151238.A37062@envy.geekhouse.net>; from jim@lust.geekhouse.net on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 03:12:38PM -0800 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 03:12:38PM -0800, Jim Mock scribbled: | On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 at 16:32:57 -0600, Michael C . Wu wrote: | | [snip..] | | > - | > + | | Don't do this. There are reasons for it being lowercase -- see the top | of chapters.ent. Other than that, it looks ok.. I had to fix a few | tags (you had a that should've been and a that | should've been ) and I'll be committing it in a few minutes. my make lint produced no errors, perhaps I did the stupid thing again and submitted the wrong version. Or should I do anything else besides make lint? -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 15:35: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3C237B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:35:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DE2F8573A9; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:35:05 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:35:05 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: Jim Mock Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Handbook L10N chapter update Message-ID: <20001130173505.C28757@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" References: <20001130163257.A20217@peorth.iteration.net> <20001130145235.A34244@envy.geekhouse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001130145235.A34244@envy.geekhouse.net>; from jim@lust.geekhouse.net on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 02:52:36PM -0800 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 02:52:36PM -0800, Jim Mock scribbled: | On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 at 16:32:57 -0600, Michael C . Wu wrote: | > I have updated the l10n chapter of the handbook and attached | > a cvs diff. However, I have a few questions regarding this. | > Why did someone change the examples to European languages only | > when I originally had CJK *and* European examples? The current | > version only has German and Russian examples, which does not help | > the Asian users very much. There are many many problems with | > CJK support and we do not address any of those after the changes. | I'll look at this today. IIRC, ache changed the examples. Check the | cvs logs.. the answer is probably there (no, I haven't looked). I know the answer, as I checked before posting. I knew it was ache. :) Only trying to avoid pointing fingers, but oh well. -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 15:37:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from postfix1.free.fr (postfix1.free.fr [212.27.32.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080A937B402 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:37:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp1-cergy.isdnet.net (paris11-nas9-36-205.dial.proxad.net [212.27.36.205]) by postfix1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F22928144 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 00:37:24 +0100 (MET) Received: (from robert@localhost) by ppp1-cergy.isdnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00936 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 00:36:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from robert) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 00:27:19 +0100 From: Robert Brive To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: documenting nonexistent files Message-ID: <20001201002719.C402@ppp1-cergy.isdnet.net> References: <4910.975533445@axl.fw.uunet.co.za> <20001130091604.A7428@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <20001130091604.A7428@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu>; from Brooks Davis on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:16:04AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:16:04AM -0800, Brooks Davis wrote: > On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 11:07:59PM -0800, Rich Morin wrote: >[...] > > > * What is the exact purpose of /etc/localtime? Who creates it? > > file says it's timezone data. I'm don't know how it's actually used. Purpose: to work with a GMT clock (internal or with other computers) and local time (for user interface), Who create it: zic(8) Files: /etc/localtime is a copy of one of the file in /usr/share/zoneinfo Manipulated: by hand or by sysinstall (configure/zoneinfo). Other related file: /etc/wall_cmos_clock - if the file is present, the CMOS clock is considered to be "local" (it is only usefull for PC with a multi-boot Windows/FreeBSD). Environment: TZ (see date(1)). -- Robert Brive To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 17:17:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from whizkidtech.net (r34.bfm.org [216.127.220.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD94037B404 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:17:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from adam@localhost) by whizkidtech.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id TAA00293; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:16:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:16:03 -0600 From: "G. Adam Stanislav" To: Robert Brive Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: documenting nonexistent files Message-ID: <20001130191603.E228@whizkidtech.net> References: <4910.975533445@axl.fw.uunet.co.za> <20001130091604.A7428@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <20001201002719.C402@ppp1-cergy.isdnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20001201002719.C402@ppp1-cergy.isdnet.net>; from brive@freebsd-fr.org on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:27:19AM +0100 Organization: Whiz Kid Technomagic X-URL: http://www.whizkidtech.net/ X-Castle: http://www.redprince.net/ X-Special-Effects: http://www.FilmSFX.com/ X-Operating-System: FreeBSD whizkidtech.net 3.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:27:19AM +0100, Robert Brive wrote: >> file says it's timezone data. I'm don't know how it's actually used. > > Purpose: to work with a GMT clock (internal or with other computers) > and local time (for user interface), Is its structure documented somewhere? It is clearly a binary file, not text that could be read and understood without any documentation. I have just subscribed to this list and found this message. As it happens, I have been wondering how an assembly language program can determine the local time zone, so it can convert the seconds from 1-1-1970 to current local date and time (I am writing a FreeBSD assembly language tutorial, and want to cover this topic, so if the file structure is not described in any other doc, it will be in mine, that is, if someone points me in the direction which helps me decipher it). Cheers, Adam -- Roma non uno die aedificata est To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Nov 30 17:21:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from whizkidtech.net (r34.bfm.org [216.127.220.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE6337B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:21:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from adam@localhost) by whizkidtech.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id TAA00327; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:20:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:20:16 -0600 From: "G. Adam Stanislav" To: Robert Brive Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: documenting nonexistent files Message-ID: <20001130192016.A311@whizkidtech.net> References: <4910.975533445@axl.fw.uunet.co.za> <20001130091604.A7428@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <20001201002719.C402@ppp1-cergy.isdnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20001201002719.C402@ppp1-cergy.isdnet.net>; from brive@freebsd-fr.org on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:27:19AM +0100 Organization: Whiz Kid Technomagic X-URL: http://www.whizkidtech.net/ X-Castle: http://www.redprince.net/ X-Special-Effects: http://www.FilmSFX.com/ X-Operating-System: FreeBSD whizkidtech.net 3.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:27:19AM +0100, Robert Brive wrote: >> file says it's timezone data. I'm don't know how it's actually used. Hey, I think I have just figured it out: tzfile(5). So, you may disregard my last message. :) Adam -- Life is not just a matter of holding good cards, but sometimes of playing a poor hand well. -- Robert Louis Stevenson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 1 4:40:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6274B37B400 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 04:40:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eB1CeAR02600; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 04:40:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 04:40:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200012011240.eB1CeAR02600@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Sheldon Hearn Subject: Re: docs/23200: [PATCH] New FAQ entry, describing securelevel time change problem Reply-To: Sheldon Hearn Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/23200; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Sheldon Hearn To: mwm@mired.org Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/23200: [PATCH] New FAQ entry, describing securelevel time change problem Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 14:31:40 +0200 On 30 Nov 2000 23:05:19 GMT, mwm@mired.org wrote: > + > + > + I can't change the time on my system by more than one second ! > + How do I get around this? Shouldn't the question have a different ID? Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 1 6: 6:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C18237B400 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 06:05:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eB1E5ej18787 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:05:40 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:05:40 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Recent groff(1) warnings fixes Message-ID: <20001201160540.A18011@sunbay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi! You may have noticed my recent efforts about elimination of groff(1) warnings. I am glad to tell you that I am almost finished, and from the ~3K lines of warnings only 11 left. Unfortunately, some files are on vendor branches, and I do not want to touch these directly. I have sent the fixes to ``nvi'' and ``sendmail'' maintainers, and will do so for ``bind''. Some warnings are caused by groff(1) macro packages, and the fixes should be sent to the groff(1) maintainers. For those interested, here is the portion of fixes that did not get committed for the above reasons. Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Oracle Developer/DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="contrib.fixes" Index: contrib/bind/doc/bog/00macs.me =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/contrib/bind/doc/bog/00macs.me,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.1 diff -u -p -r1.1.1.1 00macs.me --- contrib/bind/doc/bog/00macs.me 1996/08/29 19:20:12 1.1.1.1 +++ contrib/bind/doc/bog/00macs.me 2000/12/01 13:59:28 @@ -31,7 +31,6 @@ EXAMPLE \\n(EX: \(*D .r .lp .. -.if \nl .ls 2 .if t .nr bi 5m .nr si 3n .de $0 \" create a table of contents magically. Index: contrib/bind/doc/bog/files.me =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/contrib/bind/doc/bog/files.me,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.4 diff -u -p -r1.1.1.4 files.me --- contrib/bind/doc/bog/files.me 1998/05/03 04:11:20 1.1.1.4 +++ contrib/bind/doc/bog/files.me 2000/12/01 13:59:28 @@ -762,7 +762,7 @@ for a given domain, creating a \fIdelega The first name field specifies the zone that is serviced by the name server specified by the second name. Every zone needs at least two name servers. -.bp \" ----PLACEMENT HACK---- +.bp \" ----PLACEMENT HACK---- .sh 3 "A - Address" .TS l l l l l. Index: contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/ex.cmd.roff =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/ex.cmd.roff,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.1 diff -u -p -r1.1.1.1 ex.cmd.roff --- contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/ex.cmd.roff 1996/11/01 06:45:34 1.1.1.1 +++ contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/ex.cmd.roff 2000/12/01 13:59:28 @@ -264,7 +264,7 @@ command is permitted in an empty file. .sp If the file has been modified since it was last completely written, the -.Co ! +.CO ! command will warn you. .sp A single @@ -859,7 +859,7 @@ Join lines of text together. A .LI count specified to the -.Sy join +.CO join command specifies that the last line of the .LI range plus @@ -1491,7 +1491,7 @@ The command searches for .LI tagstring in the tags file(s) specified by the -.Op tags +.OP tags option. (See .XR ctags 1 @@ -1914,7 +1914,7 @@ reduced to account for those lines. .SS .SP Line: Set to the last line displayed, with the exception of the -.Dq Li \&= +.QT \&= .LI type , where the current line is set to the line specified by the command. .SP Options: Index: contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/vi.cmd.roff =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/vi.cmd.roff,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.1 diff -u -p -r1.1.1.1 vi.cmd.roff --- contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/vi.cmd.roff 1996/11/01 06:45:35 1.1.1.1 +++ contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/vi.cmd.roff 2000/12/01 13:59:28 @@ -2927,6 +2927,7 @@ Dependent on the operation being interru Dependent on the operation being interrupted. .SP Options: None. +.SE .SH 1 "Vi Text Input Commands" .pp The following section describes the commands available in the text Index: contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/vi.ref =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/vi.ref,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.1 diff -u -p -r1.1.1.1 vi.ref --- contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/vi.ref 1996/11/01 06:45:34 1.1.1.1 +++ contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/vi.ref 2000/12/01 13:59:28 @@ -1825,7 +1825,8 @@ of the file. .bp .SH 1 Index .lp -.2c +0.5i 3 +.ie t .2c +0.5i 3 +.el .2c +0.5i 2 .ta \n($luR .nf .so index.so Index: contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vitut/vi.apwh.ms =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vitut/vi.apwh.ms,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.1 diff -u -p -r1.1.1.1 vi.apwh.ms --- contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vitut/vi.apwh.ms 1996/11/01 06:45:36 1.1.1.1 +++ contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vitut/vi.apwh.ms 2000/12/01 13:59:29 @@ -35,11 +35,10 @@ .nr FL 6.5i .TL Vi Command & Function Reference -.AU CB 2675 +.AU Alan P.W. Hewett .sp Revised for version 2.12 by Mark Horton -.CB .NH 1 Author's Disclaimer .LP @@ -85,7 +84,6 @@ be denoted using the \fIupper case\fR ch example, \fB<^D>\fR is equal to \fB<^d>\fR. The most common character abbreviations used in this list are as follows: -.VL 8 .IP 8 escape, octal 033 .IP 8 @@ -106,7 +104,6 @@ formfeed, ^L, octal 014 space, octal 040 .IP 8 delete, octal 0177 -.LE .sp 1 .NH 1 Basics @@ -218,7 +215,6 @@ be necessary to type first. .NH 2 Cursor and Page Motion .LP -.VL 16 .B NOTE: The arrow keys (see the next four commands) on certain kinds of terminals will not work with the @@ -380,12 +376,10 @@ cursor or scrolling the screen. .IP "\(ga\(ga" 16 Move the cursor back to the exact spot on the line where it was located before the last "non-relative" move. -.LE .NH 2 Searches .LP The following commands allow you to search for items in a file. -.VL 16 .IP [cnt]f{chr} 16 .sp 1 Search forward on the line for the next or "cnt"'th occurrence of @@ -433,7 +427,6 @@ direction. .sp 1 Using the \fB:\fR syntax it is possible to do global searches ala the standard UNIX "ed" editor. -.LE .NH 2 Text Insertion .LP @@ -442,7 +435,6 @@ text insertions are terminated with an < The last change can always be \fBundone\fR by typing a \fBu\fR. The text insert in insertion mode can contain newlines. -.VL 16 .IP a{text} 16 Insert text immediately following the cursor position. Mnemonic: \fBa\fRppend @@ -460,13 +452,11 @@ insert text there. Mnemonic: \fBo\fRpe .IP O{text} 16 Insert a new line preceding the line on which the cursor appears and insert text there. -.LE .NH 2 Text Deletion .LP The following commands allow the user to delete text in various ways. All changes can always be \fBundone\fR by typing the \fBu\fR command. -.VL 16 .IP "[cnt]x" 16 Delete the character or characters starting at the cursor position. .IP "[cnt]X" 16 @@ -480,14 +470,12 @@ Mnemonic: \fBD\fRelete the rest of line Deletes one or more occurrences of the specified motion. Any motion from sections 4.1 and 4.2 can be used here. The d can be stuttered (e.g. [cnt]dd) to delete cnt lines. -.LE .NH 2 Text Replacement .LP The following commands allow the user to simultaneously delete and insert new text. All such actions can be \fBundone\fR by typing \fBu\fR following the command. -.VL 16 .IP "r" 16 Replaces the character at the current cursor position with . This is a one character replacement. No is required for termination. @@ -512,7 +500,6 @@ insertion text. A "$" will appear at th that is being deleted unless the deletion involves whole lines. Motion's can be any motion from sections 4.1 or 4.2. Stuttering the c (e.g. [cnt]cc) changes cnt lines. -.LE .NH 2 Moving Text .LP @@ -536,7 +523,6 @@ in such a buffer is appended to it inste .FE There are two more basic commands and some variations useful in getting and putting text into a file. -.VL 16 .IP ["][cnt]y{motion} 16 .sp 1 Yank the specified item or "cnt" items and put in the "undo" buffer or @@ -586,13 +572,11 @@ Prettyprints the indicated area accordin .B lisp conventions. The area should be a lisp s-expression. -.LE .NH 2 Miscellaneous Commands .LP \fBVi\fR has a number of miscellaneous commands that are very useful. They are: -.VL 16 .IP ZZ 16 This is the normal way to exit from vi. If any changes have been made, the file is written out. @@ -658,13 +642,11 @@ To just escape to the shell for one comm use :!{cmd}, see section 5. .IP z{cnt} 16 This resets the current window size to "cnt" lines and redraws the screen. -.LE .NH 2 Special Insert Characters .LP There are some characters that have special meanings during insert modes. They are: -.VL 16 .IP ^V 16 During inserts, typing a ^V allows you to quote control characters into the file. Any character typed after the ^V will be inserted @@ -688,7 +670,6 @@ Mnemonic: erase \fBW\fRord The backspace always serves as an erase during insert modes in addition to your normal "erase" character. To insert a into your file, use the <^V> to quote it. -.LE .NH 1 \fB:\fR Commands .LP @@ -698,7 +679,6 @@ the bottom on the screen in preparation also from this mode that you exit from \fBvi\fR or switch to different files. All commands of this variety are terminated by a , , or . -.VL 16 .IP ":w[!] [file]" 16 Causes \fBvi\fR to write out the current text to the disk. It is written to the file you are editing unless "file" is supplied. If @@ -769,7 +749,6 @@ programs so that by saying \fB:ta function\fR you will be switched to that function. It could also be useful when editing multi-file documents, though the \fBtags\fR file would have to be generated manually. -.LE .NH 1 Special Arrangements for Startup .PP @@ -867,7 +846,6 @@ These are usually placed in your .profil If you are running a system without environments (such as version 6) you can place the set command in the file .exrc in your home directory. -.VL 16 .IP autoindent\ ai 16 Default: noai Type: toggle .br @@ -1078,4 +1056,3 @@ Default: nowa Type: toggle \fBVi\fR normally makes a number of checks before it writes out a file. This prevents the user from inadvertently destroying a file. When the "writeany" option is enabled, \fBvi\fR no longer makes these checks. -.LE Index: contrib/sendmail/doc/op/op.me =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/contrib/sendmail/doc/op/op.me,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.5 diff -u -p -r1.1.1.5 op.me --- contrib/sendmail/doc/op/op.me 2000/10/01 01:48:42 1.1.1.5 +++ contrib/sendmail/doc/op/op.me 2000/12/01 13:59:30 @@ -32,7 +32,6 @@ \\$1 \\$2. \\$3 .)x .. -.sc .+c .(l C .sz 16 @@ -3486,8 +3485,8 @@ addr-->| 3 |-->| D |-- .)c .\} -.el .ie !"\*(.T"" \ -\{\ +.el \{\ +.ie !"\*(.T"" \{\ .PS boxwid = 0.3i boxht = 0.3i @@ -3518,6 +3517,7 @@ Box0: arrow; box "0" .PE .\} .el .sp 2i +.\} .ce Figure 1 \*- Rewriting set semantics .(c @@ -5486,7 +5486,7 @@ Checkpoints the queue every addresses sent. If your system crashes during delivery to a large list, this prevents retransmission to any but the last -.I N +.i N recipients. .ip ClassFactor=\fIfact\fP [z] @@ -6223,7 +6223,7 @@ If there is insufficient space gives a 452 response to the MAIL command. This invites the sender to try again later. -.ip MinQueueAge=\fPage\fP +.ip MinQueueAge=\fIage\fP [no short name] Don't process any queued jobs that have been in the queue less than the indicated time interval. @@ -8926,7 +8926,7 @@ to the specified .i value (for long form option names). These options are described in Section 5.6. -.ip \-M\fIx\|value +.ip \-M\fIx\|value\fP Set macro .i x to the specified --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="groff.fixes" Index: tmac/tmac.e =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/contrib/groff/tmac/tmac.e,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -p -r1.4 tmac.e --- tmac/tmac.e 2000/01/12 10:26:30 1.4 +++ tmac/tmac.e 2000/12/01 13:59:03 @@ -983,6 +983,8 @@ .sp \\n(bsu+\\n(.Lv-1v .re .. +.de T& +.. .\" .\" REFER .\" @@ -1108,7 +1110,7 @@ in \\f2\\*([B\\f1, \c .de PS \" *** start picture: $1=height, $2=width in units or inches .sp 0.3 .nr g7 \\$2 -.in (\\n(.lu-\\n(g7u)/2u +.in (u;\\n(.l-\\n(g7>?0/2) .ne \\$1u .nr g7 \\n(.u .ls 1 Index: tmac/tmac.s =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/contrib/groff/tmac/tmac.s,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.1 diff -u -p -r1.1.1.1 tmac.s --- tmac/tmac.s 1996/09/07 16:18:27 1.1.1.1 +++ tmac/tmac.s 2000/12/01 13:59:03 @@ -899,7 +899,7 @@ Foundation, 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, .ie '\\n(.z'ds*div' \{\ . di . nf -. in (u;\\n[.l]-\\n[dl]/2) +. in (u;\\n[.l]-\\n[dl]/2>?0) . ds*div . rm ds*div . ds*common-end @@ -954,7 +954,7 @@ Foundation, 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, . br . di . nf -. in (u;\\n[.l]-\\n[dl]/2) +. in (u;\\n[.l]-\\n[dl]/2>?0) . ds@need \\n[dn] . ds*div . rm ds*div --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 1 7:41:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from heinz.jollem.com (c104187.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.104.187]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC3237B400 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 07:41:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ernst@localhost) by heinz.jollem.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eB1FerV56575 for doc@freebsd.org; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:40:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ernst) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:40:53 +0100 From: Ernst de Haan To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: SUGG: Using colors in http://www.freebsd.org/porters-handbook/porting-samplem.html Message-ID: <20001201164053.A56563@c187104187.telekabel.chello.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="wac7ysb48OaltWcw" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --wac7ysb48OaltWcw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi, I suggest you use colors in the example Makefile for a new port in: * http://www.freebsd.org/porters-handbook/porting-samplem.html to make it more obvious for readers what goes in the Makefile and what is just comments. I've attached a suggested replacement. Ernst de Haan --wac7ysb48OaltWcw Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="porting-samplem.html" A Sample Makefile
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Chapter 16. A Sample Makefile

Here is a sample Makefile that you can use to create a new port. Make sure you remove all the extra comments (ones between brackets)!

It is recommended that you follow this format (ordering of variables, empty lines between sections, etc.). This format is designed so that the most important information is easy to locate. We recommend that you use portlint to check the Makefile.

    [the header...just to make it easier for us to identify the ports.]
    # New ports collection makefile for:   xdvi
    [the "version required" line is only needed when the PORTVERSION
     variable is not specific enough to describe the port.]
    # Date created:                26 May 1995
    [this is the person who did the original port to FreeBSD, in particular, the
    person who wrote the first version of this Makefile.  Remember, this should
    not be changed when upgrading the port later.]
    # Whom:                        Satoshi Asami <asami@FreeBSD.org>
    #
    # $FreeBSD$
    [ ^^^^^^^^^ This will be automatically replaced with RCS ID string by CVS
    when it is committed to our repository.  If upgrading a port, do not alter
    this line back to "$FreeBSD$".  CVS deals with it automatically.]
    #
    
    [section to describe the port itself and the master site - PORTNAME
     and PORTVERSION are always first, followed by CATEGORIES,
     and then MASTER_SITES, which can be followed by MASTER_SITE_SUBDIR.
     PKGNAMEPREFIX and PKGNAMESUFFIX, if needed, will be after that.
     Then comes DISTNAME, EXTRACT_SUFX and/or DISTFILES, and then
     EXTRACT_ONLY, as necessary.]
    PORTNAME=      xdvi
    PORTVERSION=   18.2
    CATEGORIES=    print
    [do not forget the trailing slash ("/")!
     if you are not using MASTER_SITE_* macros]
    MASTER_SITES=  ${MASTER_SITE_XCONTRIB}
    MASTER_SITE_SUBDIR= applications
    PKGNAMEPREFIX= ja-
    DISTNAME=      xdvi-pl18
    [set this if the source is not in the standard ".tar.gz" form]
    EXTRACT_SUFX=  .tar.Z
    
    [section for distributed patches -- can be empty]
    PATCH_SITES=   ftp://ftp.sra.co.jp/pub/X11/japanese/
    PATCHFILES=    xdvi-18.patch1.gz xdvi-18.patch2.gz
    
    [maintainer; *mandatory*!  This is the person (preferably with commit
     privileges) whom a user can contact for questions and bug reports - this
     person should be the porter or someone who can forward questions to the
     original porter reasonably promptly.  If you really do not want to have
     your address here, set it to "ports@FreeBSD.org".]
    MAINTAINER=    asami@FreeBSD.org
    
    [dependencies -- can be empty]
    RUN_DEPENDS=   gs:${PORTSDIR}/print/ghostscript
    LIB_DEPENDS=   Xpm.5:${PORTSDIR}/graphics/xpm
    
    [this section is for other standard bsd.port.mk variables that do not
     belong to any of the above]
    [If it asks questions during configure, build, install...]
    IS_INTERACTIVE=        yes
    [If it extracts to a directory other than ${DISTNAME}...]
    WRKSRC=                ${WRKDIR}/xdvi-new
    [If the distributed patches were not made relative to ${WRKSRC}, you
     may need to tweak this]
    PATCH_DIST_STRIP=      -p1
    [If it requires a "configure" script generated by GNU autoconf to be run]
    GNU_CONFIGURE= yes
    [If it requires GNU make, not /usr/bin/make, to build...]
    USE_GMAKE=     yes
    [If it is an X application and requires "xmkmf -a" to be run...]
    USE_IMAKE=     yes
    [et cetera.]
    
    [non-standard variables to be used in the rules below]
    MY_FAVORITE_RESPONSE=  "yeah, right"
    
    [then the special rules, in the order they are called]
    pre-fetch:
            i go fetch something, yeah
    
    post-patch:
            i need to do something after patch, great
    
    pre-install:
            and then some more stuff before installing, wow
    
    [and then the epilogue]
    .include <bsd.port.mk>
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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Rich Morin wrote: > wall_cmos_clock + ??? From adjkerntz(8): If the file /etc/wall_cmos_clock exists, it means that CMOS clock keeps local time (MS-DOS and MS-Windows compatible mode). If that file does not exist, it means that the CMOS clock keeps UTC time. -ben To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 1 14:24:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from columbus.cris.net (columbus.cris.net [212.110.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969C337B400; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from phantom.cris.net (phantom.cris.net [212.110.130.74]) by columbus.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA57358; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 00:23:14 +0200 (EET) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by phantom.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA77877; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 00:23:59 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from phantom) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 00:23:58 +0200 From: Alexey Zelkin To: doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: developers@FreeBSD.org Subject: New FreeBSD web resource: FreeBSD Projects Server Message-ID: <20001202002358.A77839@phantom.cris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, I would like to announce a new FreeBSD related resource -- the FreeBSD Projects Server. This idea behind this resource is to consolidate information about all FreeBSD related projects (ongoing, suspended, proposed, etc.) in one place and give people who work on each project the ability to create and change any information about the project as well as allowing anyone to find projects needing help and contact people efficiently. If you're participating in some project related to FreeBSD, just visit the server and leave information about yourself. Who knows, maybe some time someone will write you and say "Wow! It's exactly that I need!" or "It's exactly what I want to write!" :-) If you're planning to initiate a new project, but you need information, volunteers, etc. -- go and create a new record in the Projects database. The FreeBSD Projects Server allows people to store any links to useful resources relating to a project. 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Date: 02 Dec 2000 13:45:02 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Untitled http://www.yahoo.com/info.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Dec 2 3:49:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailgw3.netvision.net.il (mailgw3.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D380537B400 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 03:49:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw.netvision.net.il (Ramat-Gan-2-137.access.net.il [213.8.2.137] (may be forged)) by mailgw3.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05122 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 13:48:23 +0200 (IST) Message-Id: <200012021148.NAA05122@mailgw3.netvision.net.il> From: eli@mailgw3.netvision.net.il To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Answer To Your Question. Date: 02 Dec 2000 13:51:05 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Untitled http://www.yahoo.com/info.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Dec 2 8:12:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailhub.co.ru (mailhub.co.ru [194.85.128.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1B137B400 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 08:12:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from Psor ([192.168.2.75]) by mailhub.co.ru (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id eB2GCuX15655 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 19:12:57 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <000701c05c7a$9e440fc0$4b02a8c0@cmb> From: "Alex O.Belkin" To: Subject: Hello!!! Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 19:12:02 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, my name is Alex, I am from Moscow. I need your help. I want to start my Squid (path: /usr/local/squid/bin/squid) in boot time, can you send me rc.conf.local example that will do this? -- Best Regards, Alex O.Belkin... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message