From owner-freebsd-fs Wed Feb 2 13:56:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from exchsrv1.cs.washington.edu (exchsrv1.cs.washington.edu [128.95.3.128]) by builder.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3FA4180 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:56:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by exchsrv1.cs.washington.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:56:29 -0800 Message-ID: <055A195871E5D1119F8100A0C9499B5FCDF4A7@exchsrv1.cs.washington.edu> From: Qingyue Shirley Wang To: "'freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: BSD partition formatting Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:56:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I'm implementing a general-purpose remote-install system and I'm running into the following problem: I'm loading a linux kernel into memory, mount root device via NFS, and now I need to format local hard drive for a FreeBSD install (kernel and disk image on NFS server). Linux kernel has experimental write support for FreeBSD, but doesn't provided utility to do the format. Is there any mkfs utils available runnable at user level? If not, how difficult is it to port it to linux? Can someone point me to the location in the source and/or some documentation on how it can be done? Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated! Shirley To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Wed Feb 2 19:26:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by builder.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A53B4267; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:25:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id NAA19700; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 13:55:39 +1030 (CST) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 13:55:38 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Thomas David Rivers Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IBM releases JFS for Linux. Message-ID: <20000203135538.F18958@freebie.lemis.com> References: <200002030318.WAA19864@lakes.dignus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <200002030318.WAA19864@lakes.dignus.com> WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 2 February 2000 at 22:18:02 -0500, Thomas David Rivers wrote: > > This came across the Linux/390 mailing list today, I thought it > might be interesting for people: > >> "IBM makes JFS technology available for Linux - Technology based on OS/2 >> Warp Journaled File System goes open source". See >> http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/features/jfs_feature.html > > The URL there is incorrect - the correct one is: > > http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs Interesting. I'm downloading and will take a look. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Thu Feb 3 18:19:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from ind.alcatel.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by builder.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2312404E; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 18:19:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com (mailhub [198.206.181.70]) by ind.alcatel.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (ind.alcatel.com 3.0 [OUT])) with SMTP id SAA18063; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 18:18:33 -0800 (PST) X-Origination-Site: Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id SAA08094; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 18:18:33 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn5.utah.xylan.com [198.206.184.241]) by omni.xylan.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (Xylan engr [SPOOL])) with ESMTP id SAA09767; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 18:18:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <389A3847.EC2383BB@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 19:24:07 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: Thomas David Rivers , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IBM releases JFS for Linux. References: <200002030318.WAA19864@lakes.dignus.com> <20000203135538.F18958@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey wrote: > > On Wednesday, 2 February 2000 at 22:18:02 -0500, Thomas David Rivers wrote: > > > > This came across the Linux/390 mailing list today, I thought it > > might be interesting for people: > > > >> "IBM makes JFS technology available for Linux - Technology based on OS/2 > >> Warp Journaled File System goes open source". See > >> http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/features/jfs_feature.html > > > > The URL there is incorrect - the correct one is: > > > > http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs > > Interesting. I'm downloading and will take a look. Our hero! ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Thu Feb 3 18:34:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by builder.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F13404E; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 18:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id NAA28450; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:04:27 +1030 (CST) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:04:27 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Wes Peters Cc: Thomas David Rivers , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IBM releases JFS for Linux. Message-ID: <20000204130426.C27530@freebie.lemis.com> References: <200002030318.WAA19864@lakes.dignus.com> <20000203135538.F18958@freebie.lemis.com> <389A3847.EC2383BB@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <389A3847.EC2383BB@softweyr.com> WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 3 February 2000 at 19:24:07 -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, 2 February 2000 at 22:18:02 -0500, Thomas David Rivers wrote: >>> >>> This came across the Linux/390 mailing list today, I thought it >>> might be interesting for people: >>> >>>> "IBM makes JFS technology available for Linux - Technology based on OS/2 >>>> Warp Journaled File System goes open source". See >>>> http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/features/jfs_feature.html >>> >>> The URL there is incorrect - the correct one is: >>> >>> http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs >> >> Interesting. I'm downloading and will take a look. > > Our hero! ;^) Wait until I deliver. I've taken a look, and there's as good as no docco. It's an OS/2 version, which suggests to me that it would be more difficult to port than the original AIX version. I might get back to it again later on, but don't hold your breath. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Thu Feb 3 18:51:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by builder.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729524325; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 18:51:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21713; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 18:50:51 -0800 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 18:50:47 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Greg Lehey Cc: Wes Peters , Thomas David Rivers , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IBM releases JFS for Linux. In-Reply-To: <20000204130426.C27530@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Wait until I deliver. > > I've taken a look, and there's as good as no docco. It's an OS/2 > version, which suggests to me that it would be more difficult to port > than the original AIX version. I might get back to it again later on, > but don't hold your breath. > I was informed, at Veritas, that indeed this is the OS/2 vs. the AIX version, which really stumped me. JFS for AIX is really not bad. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Thu Feb 3 19: 0:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by builder.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20FA8401F for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 19:00:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id NAA28604; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:30:17 +1030 (CST) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:30:17 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Matthew Jacob Cc: Wes Peters , Thomas David Rivers , freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IBM releases JFS for Linux. Message-ID: <20000204133017.D27530@freebie.lemis.com> References: <20000204130426.C27530@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [removing -hackers, unless somebody complains] On Thursday, 3 February 2000 at 18:50:47 -0800, Matt Jacob wrote: >> >> Wait until I deliver. >> >> I've taken a look, and there's as good as no docco. It's an OS/2 >> version, which suggests to me that it would be more difficult to port >> than the original AIX version. I might get back to it again later on, >> but don't hold your breath. > > I was informed, at Veritas, that indeed this is the OS/2 vs. the AIX > version, which really stumped me. JFS for AIX is really not bad. There's no doubt about it from the sources. The Makefiles even have backslashes in them (the original ones, not the ones modified for Linux). Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Fri Feb 4 1: 0:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by builder.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86D643F1; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 01:00:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost.freebsd.dk [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02389; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:00:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Greg Lehey Cc: Wes Peters , Thomas David Rivers , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IBM releases JFS for Linux. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 04 Feb 2000 13:04:27 +1030." <20000204130426.C27530@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 10:00:34 +0100 Message-ID: <2387.949654834@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <20000204130426.C27530@freebie.lemis.com>, Greg Lehey writes: >I've taken a look, and there's as good as no docco. It's an OS/2 >version, which suggests to me that it would be more difficult to port >than the original AIX version. I might get back to it again later on, >but don't hold your breath. No, in fact the AIX version was so hard to port that OSF eventually had to give up trying. It was rather closely married to the VM hardware on the Power CPU. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Fri Feb 4 18:33:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by builder.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C6E4282; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:33:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id NAA10063; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 13:03:45 +1030 (CST) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 13:03:45 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Wes Peters Cc: bpechter@shell.monmouth.com, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JFS and IBM Message-ID: <20000205130345.D9737@freebie.lemis.com> References: <200002041957.OAA06981@bg-tc-ppp600.monmouth.com> <389B5292.A7A8B6D4@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <389B5292.A7A8B6D4@softweyr.com> WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [moved to -fs] On Friday, 4 February 2000 at 15:28:34 -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > Bill Pechter wrote: >> >> Folks, while some of us were at Linux expo talking about journaling file >> systems and *BSD, IBM released jfs to the GPL. >> >> Is there anyone working on this as a gpl'd add-in to *BSD? > > You apparently haven't noticed the war of words going on on > http://daily.daemonnews.org/ on this very topic? I think this is going > to be our most "popular", or at least commented on, article to date. There was also a discussion in -fs, so I'm following up there. > Greg Lehey has downloaded the code and looked at it. Despite my > cheering and enthusiasm, he reports that we should wait until he > actually produces something to pronounce him a hero. ;^) Damn it, you keep mentioning my name. I'm certainly no hero based on what I've done or propose to do. For an update, taking in what phk had to say the other day: this is the OS/2 version, which has had the dependencies on the VM system removed. I consider it likely that, as a result, performance will be disappointing. Also I haven't seen any documentation which explains how it works. Given the size of the code base, this would make it quite a challenge. Maybe somebody else more stupid^H^H^H^H^H^Hheroic than I wants to have a go. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Fri Feb 4 19: 7: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by builder.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3012844C1 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:07:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06608; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 20:07:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from ip-83-040.prc.primenet.com(207.218.83.40), claiming to be "pinyon.org" via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAT3aW3m; Fri Feb 4 20:07:18 2000 Received: from chomsky.Pinyon.ORG (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pinyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641175B; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 20:07:15 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.0 09/18/1999 To: Greg Lehey Cc: Wes Peters , bpechter@shell.monmouth.com, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG, rcarter@pinyon.org Subject: Re: JFS and IBM In-Reply-To: Message from Greg Lehey of "Sat, 05 Feb 2000 13:03:45 +1030." <20000205130345.D9737@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 20:07:15 -0700 From: "Russell L. Carter" Message-Id: <20000205030715.641175B@pinyon.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org %[moved to -fs] % %On Friday, 4 February 2000 at 15:28:34 -0700, Wes Peters wrote: %> Bill Pechter wrote: %>> %>> Folks, while some of us were at Linux expo talking about journaling file %>> systems and *BSD, IBM released jfs to the GPL. %>> %>> Is there anyone working on this as a gpl'd add-in to *BSD? %> %> You apparently haven't noticed the war of words going on on %> http://daily.daemonnews.org/ on this very topic? I think this is going %> to be our most "popular", or at least commented on, article to date. % %There was also a discussion in -fs, so I'm following up there. % %> Greg Lehey has downloaded the code and looked at it. Despite my %> cheering and enthusiasm, he reports that we should wait until he %> actually produces something to pronounce him a hero. ;^) % %Damn it, you keep mentioning my name. I'm certainly no hero based on %what I've done or propose to do. For an update, taking in what phk %had to say the other day: this is the OS/2 version, which has had the %dependencies on the VM system removed. I consider it likely that, as %a result, performance will be disappointing. Also I haven't seen any %documentation which explains how it works. Given the size of the code %base, this would make it quite a challenge. Maybe somebody else more %stupid^H^H^H^H^H^Hheroic than I wants to have a go. Look folks, is it too hard to understand that an OS/2 filesystem released as "Opensource" might not make any sense at all to burn up anybody's time, especially people like Greg who have actually contributed *something*!!!. Does it look like the IBM mamaship is finally clueing into marketing? Why yes it does! Does it look like the thundering herds (hurds) are going to run this into another half to several megabytes a day of mindless drivel on the usual ramifications of a nonexistent technology on a nonexistent marketplace... Why yes it does! So get over it. And lay off Greg. Russell %Greg %-- %Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key %See complete headers for address and phone numbers % % %To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org %with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message % To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Fri Feb 4 19:16:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by builder.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF4844EF for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:16:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id NAA10505; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 13:46:36 +1030 (CST) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 13:46:36 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: "Russell L. Carter" Cc: Wes Peters , bpechter@shell.monmouth.com, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JFS and IBM Message-ID: <20000205134636.J9737@freebie.lemis.com> References: <20000205030715.641175B@pinyon.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <20000205030715.641175B@pinyon.org> WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 4 February 2000 at 20:07:15 -0700, Russell L. Carter wrote: >> [moved to -fs] >> >> On Friday, 4 February 2000 at 15:28:34 -0700, Wes Peters wrote: >>> Bill Pechter wrote: >>>> >>>> Folks, while some of us were at Linux expo talking about journaling file >>>> systems and *BSD, IBM released jfs to the GPL. >>>> >>>> Is there anyone working on this as a gpl'd add-in to *BSD? >>> >>> You apparently haven't noticed the war of words going on on >>> http://daily.daemonnews.org/ on this very topic? I think this is going >>> to be our most "popular", or at least commented on, article to date. >> >> There was also a discussion in -fs, so I'm following up there. >> >>> Greg Lehey has downloaded the code and looked at it. Despite my >>> cheering and enthusiasm, he reports that we should wait until he >>> actually produces something to pronounce him a hero. ;^) >> >> Damn it, you keep mentioning my name. I'm certainly no hero based on >> what I've done or propose to do. For an update, taking in what phk >> had to say the other day: this is the OS/2 version, which has had the >> dependencies on the VM system removed. I consider it likely that, as >> a result, performance will be disappointing. Also I haven't seen any >> documentation which explains how it works. Given the size of the code >> base, this would make it quite a challenge. Maybe somebody else more >> stupid^H^H^H^H^H^Hheroic than I wants to have a go. > > Look folks, is it too hard to understand that an OS/2 filesystem > released as "Opensource" might not make any sense at all to burn up > anybody's time, That's not clear. It might make sense, and I hope somebody takes a look. > Does it look like the IBM mamaship is finally clueing into > marketing? > > Why yes it does! There are some very good reasons to start with the OS/2 version. It's a lot easier to integrate into Linux, since it doesn't have all the hooks for the IBM VM system. The performance might still be acceptable on Linux. And I could be wrong, and it might even be very good. > Does it look like the thundering herds (hurds) are going to run this > into another half to several megabytes a day of mindless drivel on > the usual ramifications of a nonexistent technology on a nonexistent > marketplace... > > Why yes it does! I wouldn't call it nonexistent technology. It's very real, as is the marketplace. > So get over it. And lay off Greg. Thanks, but I don't think anybody's picking on me. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Fri Feb 4 19:48: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by builder.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06E444EF for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:47:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22023; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 20:48:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from ip-83-040.prc.primenet.com(207.218.83.40), claiming to be "pinyon.org" via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAmQa47Q; Fri Feb 4 20:48:03 2000 Received: from chomsky.Pinyon.ORG (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pinyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2DE5B; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 20:48:05 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.0 09/18/1999 To: Greg Lehey Cc: "Russell L. Carter" , Wes Peters , bpechter@shell.monmouth.com, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG, rcarter@pinyon.org Subject: Re: JFS and IBM In-Reply-To: Message from Greg Lehey of "Sat, 05 Feb 2000 13:46:36 +1030." <20000205134636.J9737@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 20:48:05 -0700 From: "Russell L. Carter" Message-Id: <20000205034805.AC2DE5B@pinyon.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org %On Friday, 4 February 2000 at 20:07:15 -0700, Russell L. Carter wrote: %>> [moved to -fs] %>> %>> On Friday, 4 February 2000 at 15:28:34 -0700, Wes Peters wrote: %>>> Bill Pechter wrote: %>>>> %>>>> Folks, while some of us were at Linux expo talking about journaling file %>>>> systems and *BSD, IBM released jfs to the GPL. %>>>> %>>>> Is there anyone working on this as a gpl'd add-in to *BSD? %>>> %>>> You apparently haven't noticed the war of words going on on %>>> http://daily.daemonnews.org/ on this very topic? I think this is going %>>> to be our most "popular", or at least commented on, article to date. %>> %>> There was also a discussion in -fs, so I'm following up there. %>> %>>> Greg Lehey has downloaded the code and looked at it. Despite my %>>> cheering and enthusiasm, he reports that we should wait until he %>>> actually produces something to pronounce him a hero. ;^) %>> %>> Damn it, you keep mentioning my name. I'm certainly no hero based on %>> what I've done or propose to do. For an update, taking in what phk %>> had to say the other day: this is the OS/2 version, which has had the %>> dependencies on the VM system removed. I consider it likely that, as %>> a result, performance will be disappointing. Also I haven't seen any %>> documentation which explains how it works. Given the size of the code %>> base, this would make it quite a challenge. Maybe somebody else more %>> stupid^H^H^H^H^H^Hheroic than I wants to have a go. %> %> Look folks, is it too hard to understand that an OS/2 filesystem %> released as "Opensource" might not make any sense at all to burn up %> anybody's time, % %That's not clear. It might make sense, and I hope somebody takes a %look. % %> Does it look like the IBM mamaship is finally clueing into %> marketing? %> %> Why yes it does! % %There are some very good reasons to start with the OS/2 version. It's %a lot easier to integrate into Linux, since it doesn't have all the %hooks for the IBM VM system. The performance might still be %acceptable on Linux. And I could be wrong, and it might even be very %good. Hmm, maybe your optimism is realistic. Ok, when something like this shows up, I like to place a money bet. Let's make it fun. I bet $50 (to Greg) that this is going to go nowhere and that 2 years from now (Fri Feb 4 20:45:24 MST 2000) you will not be able to download or buy a Linux OS (or FreeBSD OS) that can sustain "large" 10 MB/s read or write performance to the native JFS-based filesystem using some native, derived version of JFS to any commercially available persistent hardware endsystem not composed of "RAM". I'll be gracious on the definition of "RAM". As always, I hope I lose :-). Cheers, Russell %> Does it look like the thundering herds (hurds) are going to run this %> into another half to several megabytes a day of mindless drivel on %> the usual ramifications of a nonexistent technology on a nonexistent %> marketplace... %> %> Why yes it does! % %I wouldn't call it nonexistent technology. It's very real, as is the %marketplace. % %> So get over it. And lay off Greg. % %Thanks, but I don't think anybody's picking on me. % %Greg %-- %Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key %See complete headers for address and phone numbers % % To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Fri Feb 4 20:35:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au (mailman.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.16]) by builder.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D7D4282 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 20:35:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from bde.zeta.org.au (bde.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.102]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA01478; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 15:37:59 +1100 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 15:35:54 +1100 (EST) From: Bruce Evans X-Sender: bde@alphplex.bde.org To: "Gary T. Corcoran" Cc: freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Read-only error when newfs'ing In-Reply-To: <37F8D4B2.4C980AD0@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Gary T. Corcoran wrote: > I give up! :) Help! > I searched the email archives and found no messages at > all relating to this error. There are some now... > I recently upgraded from FreeBSD 2.2.5 to 3.2-RELEASE, > then added a new Promise Ultra/66 IDE controller and > two IBM 36G ("37.5G") drives. I've been struggling to IDE disks larger than 65536*16*63 sectors ("33.8G") don't work with the wd driver in CHS mode. "Cylinder" numbers >= 65536 are silently truncated mod 65536, so that reads from these cylinders give garbage and writes to these cylinders corrupt low cylinders (the problem is partially fixed in -current: these cylinders are inaccessble). LBA mode should work for these disks, except panic dumps don't work; they usually go to the wrong place (this bug is fixed in -current). > But my current problem is now that I think I have the > controller working, I can't newfs the disk. I keep getting > the error: > > newfs: wtfs: Read-only file system EROFS is returned for attempts to overwrite the label sector. newfs probably does attempt to overrwrite the label sector when a write to cylinder 65536 goes to cylinder 0, but I don't know how the error is detected. The explicit error check involves only the absolute sector number which doesn't get truncated. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Sat Feb 5 9:13:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from x-montana.utcorp.com (x-montana.utcorp.com [146.145.135.26]) by builder.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5464520 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 09:13:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from utcorp.com (x-kspc.utcorp.com [146.145.135.17]) by x-montana.utcorp.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA38291 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:17:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kseel@utcorp.com) Message-ID: <389C5AA7.CE0A56F2@utcorp.com> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 12:15:20 -0500 From: Kurt Seel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: booting from dos fs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Subject says it all. Has anyone ever considered it? Maybe with a chroot to a vnnode? ... -- "Since the measuring device has be constructed by the observer ... we have to remember that what we observe is not nature in itself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning." -- Werner Karl Heisenberg (1901 - 1976), in "Physics and Philosophy" [1958] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Tue Feb 8 23:37:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by builder.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 020A6453E for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:36:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09905; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAASRaOtt; Tue Feb 8 18:35:57 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA14768; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:35:57 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200002090135.SAA14768@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: JFS and IBM To: rcarter@pinyon.org (Russell L. Carter) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 01:35:56 +0000 (GMT) Cc: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey), rcarter@pinyon.org (Russell L. Carter), wes@softweyr.com (Wes Peters), bpechter@shell.monmouth.com, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000205034805.AC2DE5B@pinyon.org> from "Russell L. Carter" at Feb 04, 2000 08:48:05 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > %> Look folks, is it too hard to understand that an OS/2 filesystem > %> released as "Opensource" might not make any sense at all to burn up > %> anybody's time, > % > %That's not clear. It might make sense, and I hope somebody takes a > %look. I personally do not think it is worth burning the time on, unless the license can be changed. A GPL'ed FS is useless as a boot file system in anything that anyone might want to incorporate into a commercial product. It has small merit as an interesting directory structure implementation that may be emulated in BSD (it's rather trivial to do, backing out some changes from a while back that merged the directory code in a little too solidly for my tastes). It is only technically really useful as a boot filesystem, since its primary merit (for which you trade a cleaner and potentially a defragger requirement) is to permit fast reboots. > %> Does it look like the IBM mamaship is finally clueing into > %> marketing? > %> > %> Why yes it does! > % > %There are some very good reasons to start with the OS/2 version. It's > %a lot easier to integrate into Linux, since it doesn't have all the > %hooks for the IBM VM system. The performance might still be > %acceptable on Linux. And I could be wrong, and it might even be very > %good. > > Hmm, maybe your optimism is realistic. > > Ok, when something like this shows up, I like to place a money > bet. Let's make it fun. I bet $50 (to Greg) that this is going to go > nowhere and that 2 years from now (Fri Feb 4 20:45:24 MST 2000) > you will not be able to download or buy a Linux OS (or FreeBSD OS) that > can sustain "large" 10 MB/s read or write performance to the > native JFS-based filesystem using some native, derived version of JFS to any > commercially available persistent hardware endsystem not composed of "RAM". > I'll be gracious on the definition of "RAM". > > As always, I hope I lose :-). I have personally been working on trying to get access to the AIX JFS, as opposed to the toy one on OS/2. You may want to be a little bit less gracious in your definition of "JFS". 8-). I now know the process for getting access to the source code, and who to club over the head to try and get it released. I'm actually very surprised on the code release. If I want to use GPL'ed code, I have to go to an IBM class on how I have to handle it in order to prevent intellectual property dilution, after which I am placed on a "blessed individuals" list, after which I can download the code from IBM approved mirror sites. In other words, the marketing people may have discovered how to use it, but the lawyers are still treating it as hazardous waste, so far as I can tell. It would be nice if we could get more BSD people into IBM to help spread the gospel. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Wed Feb 9 9: 7:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by builder.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140113EB4 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:06:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01681; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:41:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr07.primenet.com(206.165.6.207) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpdAAA9Gayhd; Wed Feb 9 09:40:53 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA11541; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:40:59 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200002091640.JAA11541@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Re: booting from dos fs? To: kseel@utcorp.com (Kurt Seel) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:40:59 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <389C5AA7.CE0A56F2@utcorp.com> from "Kurt Seel" at Feb 05, 2000 12:15:20 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Subject says it all. > Has anyone ever considered it? Maybe with a chroot > to a vnnode? ... Yes. It is easy, if you modify the mount code to move the root vs. non-root distinctions to upper level code, which makes all file systems equally able to be used as the root filesystem, instead of requiring per FS VFS_MOUNTROOT entry points. This involves adding a VFS_SETMINFO to set the last mounted on information for the filesystem into upper level code, removing the per FS VFS_MOUNTROOT, where it exists, and moving the non-root mount vnode covering operation to the common upper level code (which means a seperation of the mount operation from the mappinging into the FS hierarchy operation). If you don't want to have to spam your DOS FS with BSD files in the expected locations (e.g. "/kernel"), then you need working filesystem stacking (also rather trivial to get running, if you discard a number of bad assumptions about how VM and cache coherency need to be handled in order to get backing objects: VOP_FINALVP, or do read/getpages write/putpages hacks) to be able to use a "UMSDOS"-like stacking layer to reroot the filesystem in a sub-toplevel directory, and provide UNIX access control and timestamp semantics. If you don't know what a "UMSDOS" stacking layer should look like, you should look at the "UMSDOS" FS in Linux, as written by Udo Walter[sp?] (though I recommend using "-UMSDOS-.---" instead of "-LINUX--.---" as the poop-file name for storing per directory file attribution information when you implement). All told, it's about a 40 man-hour job. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Sat Feb 19 2:10: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ariadne-t.gr (mail.ariadne-t.gr [143.233.30.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 08A5737BBC0 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 02:10:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mdraco@math.uoa.gr) Received: (qmail 27066 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2000 10:10:07 -0000 Received: from ppp6c1.dialup.ariadne-t.gr (HELO comet.db.org) (143.233.100.6) by mail.ariadne-t.gr with SMTP; 19 Feb 2000 10:10:07 -0000 Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by comet.db.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00383; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 12:13:22 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from mike@comet.db.org) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 12:13:21 +0200 (EET) From: Mike Dracopoulos To: freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: duplicate blocks in shared ext2 partition Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am running both FreeBSD and Linux sharing an ext2 /home (on a dedicated disk). Occasionally (say once every month or two), FreeBSD complains on bootup about /home and asks to run fsck on it. Here is a record of what happened last time: 1) I was running FreeBSD day after day for quite some time 2) I rebooted to Linux to check something, no problems so far. 3) Back to FreeBSD, I get the complaint about /home 4) Reboot to Linux, and the boot-time fsck gives me: Inode 51214, i_block is 4, should be 2... Duplicate or bad blocks in use Duplicate blocks found, invoking duplicate block passes /dev/hdc1: Duplicate/bad block(s) in inode 100354 ... /dev/hdc1: Duplicate/bad block(s) in inode 163924 ... ... There are 2 inodes containing duplicate/bad blocks /dev/hdc1: File "SOME_FILE_A" (inode #163924, modified ... Feb 18...) has 1 duplicate block, shared with 2 files /dev/hdc1: /dev/hdc1: "SOME_FILE_B" (inode #100354, modified ... Feb 15 ...) /dev/hdc1: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY 5) Running fsck and accepting everything, solves the problem for the time being. Please note, that FILE_A and B are unrelated context-wise and in terms of directory structure wise and modification/creation times, and not always the same 2 that trigger this problem. Thanks in advance for your help Mike Dracopoulos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message