From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 6 13:57:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFAFA37BC40 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 13:57:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA21308 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:49:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200008062049.QAA21308@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "FreeBSD Hardware List" Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 16:52:22 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 3ware Raid controllers on FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone with any experience with the 3ware controllers that could comment on them. In particular the literature for the controllers has: "Diskswitch architecture replaces the shared bus found in SCSI systems with a multiplexed data path that speeds data into system memory without burdening the host CPU" Does that mean that to FreeBSD these controllers act like SCSI controllers? Anyone compared them to plain IDE drives or an SCSI Raid in terms of CPU utilization and performance? francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 6 15: 2:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from raq.tabernae.com (raq.gashalot.com [208.197.146.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEFDF37B604 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:02:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gashalot@gashalot.com) Received: from localhost (systemuser@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by raq.tabernae.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05422 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:02:19 -0400 Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:02:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Gash X-Sender: gashalot@raq.tabernae.com To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: ADS Technologies Cadet AM/FM Tuner Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know if the ADS Technologies CAdet AM/FM Tuner card works under FreeBSD 4.x-STABLE? Aparaently it works under video4linux properly (even the RDS features for the FM band seem to work), but quick searches through HARDWARE.TXT and the freebsd.org website reveal nothing but some support for the radiotrack FM cards (which can't be purchased anymore from what I understand). If anyone knows if this is support, a simple pointer to the documentation on how to get the card up and going would be great. Likewise, if anyone knows of an AM/FM radio card that works in FreeBSD (the system does have USB available, but none of the USB cards seem to do AM) that can still be purchased, I'd be willing to hear about that too (the RadioReveal and Aimslab cards seem to have disappeared from the market altogether, as neither company seem to be around anymore). -R PS- Sorry for the crosspost here guys, but I felt it was probably relevant to both lists, and might make it easier for someone else looking for information about this later down the road to find it. -- Robert Gash - CS Major \ gashalot@gashalot.com - gte393u@prism Georgia Tech - Atlanta GA \ www.gashalot.com - www.techwreck.net "I can't complain, but sometimes I still do." -Joe Walsh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 6 20:20:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 943AA37BC30 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA12881 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:12:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200008070312.XAA12881@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "FreeBSD Hardware List" Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:46:04 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ATA100 support? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Couldn't find any info on the archives or release note for 4.1 Is ATA100 supported on 4.1? francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 6 20:57:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE40A37BC78 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:57:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrs@enteract.com) Received: from shell-1.enteract.com (jrs@shell-1.enteract.com [207.229.143.40]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA92200; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:56:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jrs@enteract.com) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:56:21 -0500 (CDT) From: John Sconiers To: Francisco Reyes Cc: FreeBSD Hardware List Subject: Re: ATA100 support? In-Reply-To: <200008070312.XAA12881@sanson.reyes.somos.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Couldn't find any info on the archives or release note for 4.1 > Is ATA100 supported on 4.1? Recently committed to -current branch. After testing it may be MFC'd to 4.X. You may wish to ask the author of the code. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 7 18:59:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from comet.connix.com (comet.connix.com [198.69.10.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43A537B5A9 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:59:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fitzhugh@connix.com) Received: from connix.com (48.ct4.dyn.connix.net [209.66.144.111]) by comet.connix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03986; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <398F691D.25178FFC@connix.com> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:57:49 -0400 From: Stephen Fitzhugh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Theo de Raadt , freebsd-hardware@freeBSD.org Subject: PCI Modem References: <200008010030.e710UpU15918@cvs.openbsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here is information from dmesg regarding my PCI modem. See comment at pci1, device 10.0.... ************************************************ Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE #0: Mon Mar 20 22:50:22 GMT 2000 root@monster.cdrom.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon (664.51-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x683 Stepping = 3 Features=0x383f9ff real memory = 132907008 (129792K bytes) avail memory = 124968960 (122040K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc03c0000. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled md0: Malloc disk npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pci0: at 1.0 irq 11 pcib1: at device 30.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 dc0: port 0xd800-0xd8ff mem 0xff8efc00-0xff8effff irq 11 at device 8.0 on pci1 dc0: Ethernet address: 00:20:78:0e:7f:92 miibus0: on dc0 ukphy0: on miibus0 ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto dc0: supplying EUI64: 00:20:78:ff:fe:0e:7f:92 pci1: (vendor=0x1274, dev=0x1371) at 9.0 irq 10 pci1: (vendor=0x12b9, dev=0x1008) at 10.0 irq 3 ***** My guess is that this is the PCI modem ***** pci1: (vendor=0x14f1, dev=0x1033) at 11.0 irq 9 isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 31.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 pci0: at 31.2 irq 9 pci0: (vendor=0x8086, dev=0x2413) at 31.3 irq 10 fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60-0x6f on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model IntelliMouse, device ID 3 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 8250 sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold ppi0: on ppbus0 lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port plip0: on ppbus0 ad0: 9779MB [19870/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA66 acd0: CDROM at ata1-master using PIO4 Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s4a dc0: starting DAD for fe80:0001::0220:78ff:fe0e:7f92 dc0: DAD complete for fe80:0001::0220:78ff:fe0e:7f92 - no duplicates found *********************************************** dc0 is my Linksys LNE100TX v.4 which seems to work very well. Given the device numbers and positions in the slots, I believe that pci1 devices 9.0 and 11.0 are the SoundBlaster PCI64 sound card and a Winmodem, respectively. I hold absolutely no hope for the Winmodem, truth be told, that's why I bought the 3Com PCI 56k "real" modem. The Catch-22 is that the Dell computer that I bought has the Intel i810 onboard video (no open slots for a video card), needs 4.1 and I can't even ftp it since the modems won't work in 4.0. I am not a happy camper. I am willing to help with the drivers for the PCI modems, but I'm not sure where to start. The network card is on the PCI bus and works well, so there must be a way to develop "glue" to connect the PCI bus to the cuaa1 device. I'm just not smart enough to know exactly how to design it. Theo de Raadt wrote: > > communicate with the PCI modem. It is a USRobotics (3Com) 56k PCI > > internal Faxmodem (model 3CP5610) -- it is NOT a WinModem. FreeBSD > > could you give me some rough details about it? > > what is it's PCI ID? If you boot an openbsd floppy and type "dmesg | more" > I would love to know what the line is that is output regarding it. Then > I can add support in openbsd as well, seeing as otherwise it might be a while > until an openbsd user sees it. Regards, Steve Fitzhugh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 7 21:30:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fpsn.net (mail.fpsn.net [63.224.69.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C946C37BD83 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:30:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from sharky (adsl-151-202-97-90.bellatlantic.net [151.202.97.90]) by mail.fpsn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA50732 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 05:59:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Message-Id: <200008081159.FAA50732@mail.fpsn.net> From: "Simon" To: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:33:49 -0400 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <398F691D.25178FFC@connix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: What happened? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all: I was untaring a large tar file with many files in it and suddenly my Seagate SCSI harddrive froze. This showed up on my console: (da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Invalid pack (da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Invalid pack (da0:ahc0:0:0:0) SCB 0x23 - timed out while idle, SEQADDR == 0xc (da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Queing a BDR SCB (da0:ahc0:0:0:0) no longer in timeout, status = 34a (da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Invalid pack (da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Invalid pack (da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Invalid pack ... What happened here? It screwed up my /usr partition where I was untaring the files (good thing fsck could restore it). I can't afford to have a drive stole like this and corrupt filesystems when I put this box online. What could've caused this failure? I'm running freebsd 4.1-Release. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 7 21:48:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fpsn.net (mail.fpsn.net [63.224.69.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7267E37B58F for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:48:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from sharky (adsl-151-202-97-90.bellatlantic.net [151.202.97.90]) by mail.fpsn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA50805 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 06:16:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Message-Id: <200008081216.GAA50805@mail.fpsn.net> From: "Simon" To: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:51:22 -0400 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <200008081159.FAA50732@mail.fpsn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What happened? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I tried to duplicate the same problem and sure enough i was able to. What's going on here? bad drive? strongly doubt it, it's pretty much a new beast. Could it be tar that's screwing things up? -Simon On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:33:49 -0400, Simon wrote: >Hi all: > >I was untaring a large tar file with many files in it and suddenly my Seagate SCSI harddrive froze. This showed up on my >console: > >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Invalid pack >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Invalid pack >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) SCB 0x23 - timed out while idle, SEQADDR == 0xc >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Queing a BDR SCB >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) no longer in timeout, status = 34a >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Invalid pack >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Invalid pack >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Invalid pack >... > >What happened here? It screwed up my /usr partition where I was untaring the files (good thing fsck could restore it). I >can't afford to have a drive stole like this and corrupt filesystems when I put this box online. What could've caused this >failure? I'm running freebsd 4.1-Release. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > >Thanks, >Simon > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 7 22: 0:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-206-89-56.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.89.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2341237B70F for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:00:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08928; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:11:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200008080511.WAA08928@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Simon" Cc: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: What happened? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:51:22 EDT." <200008081216.GAA50805@mail.fpsn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:11:59 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I tried to duplicate the same problem and sure enough i was able to. What's going on here? bad drive? strongly doubt it, > it's pretty much a new beast. Could it be tar that's screwing things up? Can you give us the probe messages for da0? There are firmware issues with new Seagate drives that will require you to get an upgrade from Seagate. > -Simon > > On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:33:49 -0400, Simon wrote: > > >Hi all: > > > >I was untaring a large tar file with many files in it and suddenly my Seagate SCSI harddrive froze. This showed up on my > >console: > > > >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Invalid pack > >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Invalid pack > >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) SCB 0x23 - timed out while idle, SEQADDR == 0xc > >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Queing a BDR SCB > >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) no longer in timeout, status = 34a > >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Invalid pack > >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Invalid pack > >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Invalid pack > >... > > > >What happened here? It screwed up my /usr partition where I was untaring the files (good thing fsck could restore it). I > >can't afford to have a drive stole like this and corrupt filesystems when I put this box online. What could've caused this > >failure? I'm running freebsd 4.1-Release. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > >Thanks, > >Simon > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 7 22: 5:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fpsn.net (mail.fpsn.net [63.224.69.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F3037B70F; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:05:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from sharky (adsl-151-202-97-90.bellatlantic.net [151.202.97.90]) by mail.fpsn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA50866; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 06:34:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Message-Id: <200008081234.GAA50866@mail.fpsn.net> From: "Simon" To: "Mike Smith" Cc: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:08:36 -0400 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <200008080511.WAA08928@mass.osd.bsdi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What happened? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here it is: da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device da0: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 8761MB (17942584 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1116C) PS: thanks for your help Mike! -Simon On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:11:59 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >> I tried to duplicate the same problem and sure enough i was able to. What's going on here? bad drive? strongly doubt it, >> it's pretty much a new beast. Could it be tar that's screwing things up? > >Can you give us the probe messages for da0? There are firmware issues >with new Seagate drives that will require you to get an upgrade from >Seagate. > >> -Simon >> >> On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:33:49 -0400, Simon wrote: >> >> >Hi all: >> > >> >I was untaring a large tar file with many files in it and suddenly my Seagate SCSI harddrive froze. This showed up on my >> >console: >> > >> >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Invalid pack >> >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Invalid pack >> >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) SCB 0x23 - timed out while idle, SEQADDR == 0xc >> >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Queing a BDR SCB >> >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) no longer in timeout, status = 34a >> >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Invalid pack >> >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Invalid pack >> >(da0:ahc0:0:0:0) Invalid pack >> >... >> > >> >What happened here? It screwed up my /usr partition where I was untaring the files (good thing fsck could restore it). I >> >can't afford to have a drive stole like this and corrupt filesystems when I put this box online. What could've caused this >> >failure? I'm running freebsd 4.1-Release. Any suggestions would be appreciated. >> > >> >Thanks, >> >Simon >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message >> > >-- >... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his >rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want >to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force >people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 7 22:12:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-206-89-56.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.89.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394DA37B558 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:12:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08996; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:23:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200008080523.WAA08996@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Simon" Cc: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: What happened? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:08:36 EDT." <200008081234.GAA50866@mail.fpsn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:23:56 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Here it is: > > da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device ^^^^ This firmware is known to interact badly with the ahc driver. You have three options: - Use the Adaptec setup utility to disable write caching. - Use a different SCSI controller. - Get the firmware update from Seagate and fix the drive. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 7 22:23:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fpsn.net (mail.fpsn.net [63.224.69.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E4837B5FD; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:23:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from sharky (adsl-151-202-97-90.bellatlantic.net [151.202.97.90]) by mail.fpsn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA50952; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 06:52:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Message-Id: <200008081252.GAA50952@mail.fpsn.net> From: "Simon" To: "Mike Smith" Cc: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:26:31 -0400 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <200008080523.WAA08996@mass.osd.bsdi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What happened? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Great to here there is a fix :-) I have another seagate drive in the same box: da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device da1: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da1: 17522MB (35885168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2233C) Same problem I suspect. The drive is just bigger in size. What would you suggest as the best fix for this? can I just update the firmware? or going with a different controller is better? I doubt i have write cache turned on as the drive seems to work much slower creating empty files than 5.4k 40 gig IDE maxtor drive (creates 10,000 empty files 10x faster than the SCSI i got). Still not exactly sure why. Thanks again, Simon On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:23:56 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >> Here it is: >> >> da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 >> da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > ^^^^ >This firmware is known to interact badly with the ahc driver. You have >three options: > > - Use the Adaptec setup utility to disable write caching. > - Use a different SCSI controller. > - Get the firmware update from Seagate and fix the drive. > >-- >... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his >rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want >to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force >people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 7 22:30:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [207.154.226.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CCA337B72D; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:30:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@elvis.mu.org) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 496782B295; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:30:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:30:28 -0700 From: Paul Saab To: Simon Cc: Mike Smith , "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: What happened? Message-ID: <20000807223028.A96096@elvis.mu.org> References: <200008080523.WAA08996@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <200008081252.GAA50952@mail.fpsn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200008081252.GAA50952@mail.fpsn.net>; from simon@optinet.com on Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 01:26:31AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Run this: EDITOR="/usr/bin/perl -i -pe 's/1/0/g if /^WCE/'" \ camcontrol modepage da0 -P 3 -m 8 do this for all your drives which have bad firmware. -- Paul Saab Technical Yahoo paul@mu.org - ps@yahoo-inc.com - ps@freebsd.org Do You .. uhh .. Yahoo!? Simon (simon@optinet.com) wrote: > Great to here there is a fix :-) I have another seagate drive in the same box: > > da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 > da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > da1: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled > da1: 17522MB (35885168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2233C) > > Same problem I suspect. The drive is just bigger in size. What would you suggest as the best fix for this? can I just > update the firmware? or going with a different controller is better? I doubt i have write cache turned on as the drive > seems to work much slower creating empty files than 5.4k 40 gig IDE maxtor drive (creates 10,000 empty files 10x faster > than the SCSI i got). Still not exactly sure why. > > Thanks again, > Simon > > On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:23:56 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > >> Here it is: > >> > >> da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 > >> da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > > ^^^^ > >This firmware is known to interact badly with the ahc driver. You have > >three options: > > > > - Use the Adaptec setup utility to disable write caching. > > - Use a different SCSI controller. > > - Get the firmware update from Seagate and fix the drive. > > > >-- > >... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his > >rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want > >to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force > >people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 7 22:37:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fpsn.net (mail.fpsn.net [63.224.69.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4270537BC74; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:37:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from sharky (adsl-151-202-97-90.bellatlantic.net [151.202.97.90]) by mail.fpsn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA51017; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:06:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Message-Id: <200008081306.HAA51017@mail.fpsn.net> From: "Simon" To: "Paul Saab" Cc: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Mike Smith" Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:40:12 -0400 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <20000807223028.A96096@elvis.mu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What happened? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alrighty, now, i'm totally confused. What will/should this do? as far as i can tell, it'll replace 1 with 0 on all lines that start with WCE, but that doesn't mean anything to me. Also, what do you mean by a bad firmware? Thanks, Simon On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:30:28 -0700, Paul Saab wrote: >Run this: > >EDITOR="/usr/bin/perl -i -pe 's/1/0/g if /^WCE/'" \ >camcontrol modepage da0 -P 3 -m 8 > >do this for all your drives which have bad firmware. > >-- >Paul Saab >Technical Yahoo >paul@mu.org - ps@yahoo-inc.com - ps@freebsd.org >Do You .. uhh .. Yahoo!? > >Simon (simon@optinet.com) wrote: >> Great to here there is a fix :-) I have another seagate drive in the same box: >> >> da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 >> da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device >> da1: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled >> da1: 17522MB (35885168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2233C) >> >> Same problem I suspect. The drive is just bigger in size. What would you suggest as the best fix for this? can I just >> update the firmware? or going with a different controller is better? I doubt i have write cache turned on as the drive >> seems to work much slower creating empty files than 5.4k 40 gig IDE maxtor drive (creates 10,000 empty files 10x faster >> than the SCSI i got). Still not exactly sure why. >> >> Thanks again, >> Simon >> >> On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:23:56 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >> >> >> Here it is: >> >> >> >> da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 >> >> da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device >> > ^^^^ >> >This firmware is known to interact badly with the ahc driver. You have >> >three options: >> > >> > - Use the Adaptec setup utility to disable write caching. >> > - Use a different SCSI controller. >> > - Get the firmware update from Seagate and fix the drive. >> > >> >-- >> >... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his >> >rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want >> >to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force >> >people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 7 22:44:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fpsn.net (mail.fpsn.net [63.224.69.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4785C37B624 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:44:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from sharky (adsl-151-202-97-90.bellatlantic.net [151.202.97.90]) by mail.fpsn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA51041 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:13:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Message-Id: <200008081313.HAA51041@mail.fpsn.net> From: "Simon" To: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:47:25 -0400 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <200008081306.HAA51017@mail.fpsn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What happened? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oh, i see, it changes 1/0 bit to turn on/off write cache. changing it to 0, turns off write cache I suspect. But, Mike said there are issues with the firmware, why not just update it if latest one doesn't have the problem? won't that be better? -Simon On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:40:12 -0400, Simon wrote: >Alrighty, now, i'm totally confused. What will/should this do? as far as i can tell, it'll replace 1 with 0 on all lines that start >with WCE, but that doesn't mean anything to me. Also, what do you mean by a bad firmware? > >Thanks, >Simon > >On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:30:28 -0700, Paul Saab wrote: > >>Run this: >> >>EDITOR="/usr/bin/perl -i -pe 's/1/0/g if /^WCE/'" \ >>camcontrol modepage da0 -P 3 -m 8 >> >>do this for all your drives which have bad firmware. >> >>-- >>Paul Saab >>Technical Yahoo >>paul@mu.org - ps@yahoo-inc.com - ps@freebsd.org >>Do You .. uhh .. Yahoo!? >> >>Simon (simon@optinet.com) wrote: >>> Great to here there is a fix :-) I have another seagate drive in the same box: >>> >>> da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 >>> da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device >>> da1: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled >>> da1: 17522MB (35885168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2233C) >>> >>> Same problem I suspect. The drive is just bigger in size. What would you suggest as the best fix for this? can I just >>> update the firmware? or going with a different controller is better? I doubt i have write cache turned on as the drive >>> seems to work much slower creating empty files than 5.4k 40 gig IDE maxtor drive (creates 10,000 empty files 10x >faster >>> than the SCSI i got). Still not exactly sure why. >>> >>> Thanks again, >>> Simon >>> >>> On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:23:56 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >>> >>> >> Here it is: >>> >> >>> >> da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 >>> >> da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device >>> > ^^^^ >>> >This firmware is known to interact badly with the ahc driver. You have >>> >three options: >>> > >>> > - Use the Adaptec setup utility to disable write caching. >>> > - Use a different SCSI controller. >>> > - Get the firmware update from Seagate and fix the drive. >>> > >>> >-- >>> >... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his >>> >rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want >>> >to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force >>> >people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message >> > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 7 22:46:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [207.154.226.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306B737B67B; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:46:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@elvis.mu.org) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6A14D2B295; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:46:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:46:20 -0700 From: Paul Saab To: Simon Cc: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" , Mike Smith Subject: Re: What happened? Message-ID: <20000807224620.A96386@elvis.mu.org> References: <20000807223028.A96096@elvis.mu.org> <200008081306.HAA51017@mail.fpsn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200008081306.HAA51017@mail.fpsn.net>; from simon@optinet.com on Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 01:40:12AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It turns off write caching which will fix your problem. Seagate has a bug in their firmware which causes problems. The command I gave you fixes the problem you are seeing. paul Simon (simon@optinet.com) wrote: > Alrighty, now, i'm totally confused. What will/should this do? as far as i can tell, it'll replace 1 with 0 on all lines that start > with WCE, but that doesn't mean anything to me. Also, what do you mean by a bad firmware? > > Thanks, > Simon > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:30:28 -0700, Paul Saab wrote: > > >Run this: > > > >EDITOR="/usr/bin/perl -i -pe 's/1/0/g if /^WCE/'" \ > >camcontrol modepage da0 -P 3 -m 8 > > > >do this for all your drives which have bad firmware. > > > >-- > >Paul Saab > >Technical Yahoo > >paul@mu.org - ps@yahoo-inc.com - ps@freebsd.org > >Do You .. uhh .. Yahoo!? > > > >Simon (simon@optinet.com) wrote: > >> Great to here there is a fix :-) I have another seagate drive in the same box: > >> > >> da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 > >> da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > >> da1: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled > >> da1: 17522MB (35885168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2233C) > >> > >> Same problem I suspect. The drive is just bigger in size. What would you suggest as the best fix for this? can I just > >> update the firmware? or going with a different controller is better? I doubt i have write cache turned on as the drive > >> seems to work much slower creating empty files than 5.4k 40 gig IDE maxtor drive (creates 10,000 empty files 10x > faster > >> than the SCSI i got). Still not exactly sure why. > >> > >> Thanks again, > >> Simon > >> > >> On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:23:56 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > >> > >> >> Here it is: > >> >> > >> >> da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 > >> >> da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > >> > ^^^^ > >> >This firmware is known to interact badly with the ahc driver. You have > >> >three options: > >> > > >> > - Use the Adaptec setup utility to disable write caching. > >> > - Use a different SCSI controller. > >> > - Get the firmware update from Seagate and fix the drive. > >> > > >> >-- > >> >... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his > >> >rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want > >> >to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force > >> >people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > > > > -- Paul Saab Technical Yahoo paul@mu.org - ps@yahoo-inc.com - ps@freebsd.org Do You .. uhh .. Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 7 22:48:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [207.154.226.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F50937BD0E for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:48:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@elvis.mu.org) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ACFD22B295; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:48:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:48:18 -0700 From: Paul Saab To: Simon Cc: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: What happened? Message-ID: <20000807224818.B96386@elvis.mu.org> References: <200008081306.HAA51017@mail.fpsn.net> <200008081313.HAA51041@mail.fpsn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200008081313.HAA51041@mail.fpsn.net>; from simon@optinet.com on Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 01:47:25AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You have to boot into dos to upgrade the firmware which really isn't possible where I work, so we do this. Write caching is bad anyway if you use softupdates. Simon (simon@optinet.com) wrote: > Oh, i see, it changes 1/0 bit to turn on/off write cache. changing it to 0, turns off write cache I suspect. But, Mike said > there are issues with the firmware, why not just update it if latest one doesn't have the problem? won't that be better? > > -Simon > > On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:40:12 -0400, Simon wrote: > > >Alrighty, now, i'm totally confused. What will/should this do? as far as i can tell, it'll replace 1 with 0 on all lines that start > >with WCE, but that doesn't mean anything to me. Also, what do you mean by a bad firmware? > > > >Thanks, > >Simon > > > >On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:30:28 -0700, Paul Saab wrote: > > > >>Run this: > >> > >>EDITOR="/usr/bin/perl -i -pe 's/1/0/g if /^WCE/'" \ > >>camcontrol modepage da0 -P 3 -m 8 > >> > >>do this for all your drives which have bad firmware. > >> > >>-- > >>Paul Saab > >>Technical Yahoo > >>paul@mu.org - ps@yahoo-inc.com - ps@freebsd.org > >>Do You .. uhh .. Yahoo!? > >> > >>Simon (simon@optinet.com) wrote: > >>> Great to here there is a fix :-) I have another seagate drive in the same box: > >>> > >>> da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 > >>> da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > >>> da1: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled > >>> da1: 17522MB (35885168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2233C) > >>> > >>> Same problem I suspect. The drive is just bigger in size. What would you suggest as the best fix for this? can I just > >>> update the firmware? or going with a different controller is better? I doubt i have write cache turned on as the drive > >>> seems to work much slower creating empty files than 5.4k 40 gig IDE maxtor drive (creates 10,000 empty files 10x > >faster > >>> than the SCSI i got). Still not exactly sure why. > >>> > >>> Thanks again, > >>> Simon > >>> > >>> On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:23:56 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > >>> > >>> >> Here it is: > >>> >> > >>> >> da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 > >>> >> da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > >>> > ^^^^ > >>> >This firmware is known to interact badly with the ahc driver. You have > >>> >three options: > >>> > > >>> > - Use the Adaptec setup utility to disable write caching. > >>> > - Use a different SCSI controller. > >>> > - Get the firmware update from Seagate and fix the drive. > >>> > > >>> >-- > >>> >... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his > >>> >rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want > >>> >to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force > >>> >people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message -- Paul Saab Technical Yahoo paul@mu.org - ps@yahoo-inc.com - ps@freebsd.org Do You .. uhh .. Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 7 22:54:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fpsn.net (mail.fpsn.net [63.224.69.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F1737B624 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:54:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from sharky (adsl-151-202-97-90.bellatlantic.net [151.202.97.90]) by mail.fpsn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA51096; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:23:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Message-Id: <200008081323.HAA51096@mail.fpsn.net> From: "Simon" To: "Paul Saab" Cc: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:56:55 -0400 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <20000807224818.B96386@elvis.mu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What happened? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmmm... you are not allowed to use a dos boot up disk to boot and upgrade? strange. Uhm, doesn't write cache speed things up, though? I'm not using softupdates to avoid data loss during crashes (if any should occur). Bad RAM caused so much problems in the past for us. Took a while to figure out it was RAM. If I could get freebsd box to not crash under heavy load for 6+ months, I would be the happiest man. Maybe I'm getting there, don't know yet. Thanks again, Simon On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:48:18 -0700, Paul Saab wrote: >You have to boot into dos to upgrade the firmware which really isn't >possible where I work, so we do this. Write caching is bad anyway if >you use softupdates. > >Simon (simon@optinet.com) wrote: >> Oh, i see, it changes 1/0 bit to turn on/off write cache. changing it to 0, turns off write cache I suspect. But, Mike said >> there are issues with the firmware, why not just update it if latest one doesn't have the problem? won't that be better? >> >> -Simon >> >> On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:40:12 -0400, Simon wrote: >> >> >Alrighty, now, i'm totally confused. What will/should this do? as far as i can tell, it'll replace 1 with 0 on all lines that start >> >with WCE, but that doesn't mean anything to me. Also, what do you mean by a bad firmware? >> > >> >Thanks, >> >Simon >> > >> >On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:30:28 -0700, Paul Saab wrote: >> > >> >>Run this: >> >> >> >>EDITOR="/usr/bin/perl -i -pe 's/1/0/g if /^WCE/'" \ >> >>camcontrol modepage da0 -P 3 -m 8 >> >> >> >>do this for all your drives which have bad firmware. >> >> >> >>-- >> >>Paul Saab >> >>Technical Yahoo >> >>paul@mu.org - ps@yahoo-inc.com - ps@freebsd.org >> >>Do You .. uhh .. Yahoo!? >> >> >> >>Simon (simon@optinet.com) wrote: >> >>> Great to here there is a fix :-) I have another seagate drive in the same box: >> >>> >> >>> da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 >> >>> da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device >> >>> da1: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled >> >>> da1: 17522MB (35885168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2233C) >> >>> >> >>> Same problem I suspect. The drive is just bigger in size. What would you suggest as the best fix for this? can I just >> >>> update the firmware? or going with a different controller is better? I doubt i have write cache turned on as the drive >> >>> seems to work much slower creating empty files than 5.4k 40 gig IDE maxtor drive (creates 10,000 empty files 10x >> >faster >> >>> than the SCSI i got). Still not exactly sure why. >> >>> >> >>> Thanks again, >> >>> Simon >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:23:56 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> Here it is: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 >> >>> >> da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device >> >>> > ^^^^ >> >>> >This firmware is known to interact badly with the ahc driver. You have >> >>> >three options: >> >>> > >> >>> > - Use the Adaptec setup utility to disable write caching. >> >>> > - Use a different SCSI controller. >> >>> > - Get the firmware update from Seagate and fix the drive. >> >>> > >> >>> >-- >> >>> >... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his >> >>> >rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want >> >>> >to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force >> >>> >people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> >>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > >-- >Paul Saab >Technical Yahoo >paul@mu.org - ps@yahoo-inc.com - ps@freebsd.org >Do You .. uhh .. Yahoo!? > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 7 22:55:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729B337B96A for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:55:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA01000 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 01:46:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200008080546.BAA01000@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "FreeBSD Hardware List" Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:42:46 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just reading about some issues with some Seagate drives and some other archive messages got me thinking about what drives work well with FreeBSD. I am a big fan of IBM and Quatum, however some recent reading at storagereview.com got me thinking on trying some Maxtor. I am not totally sure yet, but I may try the drives with a 3ware comtroller. Just finished reading all their White papers and some of their web literature and it all looks very good on "digital paper". francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 7 23: 2:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9E337BC2F for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:02:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18996; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:01:39 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Stephen Fitzhugh Cc: Theo de Raadt , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI Modem Message-ID: <20000807230139.A18227@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <200008010030.e710UpU15918@cvs.openbsd.org> <398F691D.25178FFC@connix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <398F691D.25178FFC@connix.com>; from fitzhugh@connix.com on Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 09:57:49PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Please wrap lines at 70-72 columns not 80] On Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 09:57:49PM -0400, Stephen Fitzhugh wrote: > dc0 is my Linksys LNE100TX v.4 which seems to work very well. Given > the device numbers and positions in the slots, I believe that pci1 > devices 9.0 and 11.0 are the SoundBlaster PCI64 sound card and a > Winmodem, respectively. I hold absolutely no hope for the Winmodem, > truth be told, that's why I bought the 3Com > PCI 56k "real" modem. > The Catch-22 is that the Dell computer that I bought has the Intel > i810 onboard video (no open slots for a video card), needs 4.1 and I > can't even ftp it since the modems won't work in 4.0. > > I am not a happy camper. I am willing to help with the drivers for the > PCI modems, but I'm not sure where to start. The network card is on > the PCI bus and works well, so there must be a way to develop "glue" > to connect the PCI bus to the cuaa1 device. I'm just not smart enough > to know exactly how to design it. The support in is 4.1-STABLE (not -RELEASE). I suspect you could patch the driver with the diff at: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/isa/sio.c.diff?r1=1.291.2.9&r2=1.291.2.10 Your best bet is probably to try a snapshot post August 3rd (when the code was MFC'd). For PCI device identification, http://www.yourvote.com/pci/ is your friend. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 7 23: 2:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [207.154.226.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C854837B946 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:02:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@elvis.mu.org) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DD1412B295; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 01:02:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:02:35 -0700 From: Paul Saab To: Simon Cc: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: What happened? Message-ID: <20000807230235.A96603@elvis.mu.org> References: <20000807224818.B96386@elvis.mu.org> <200008081323.HAA51096@mail.fpsn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200008081323.HAA51096@mail.fpsn.net>; from simon@optinet.com on Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 01:56:55AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Simon (simon@optinet.com) wrote: > Hmmm... you are not allowed to use a dos boot up disk to boot > and upgrade? strange. Uhm, doesn't write cache speed things up, > though? I'm not using softupdates to avoid data loss during crashes > (if any should occur). Bad RAM caused so much problems in the past for > us. Took a while to figure out it was RAM. If I could get freebsd box > to not crash under heavy load for 6+ months, I would be the happiest > man. Maybe I'm getting there, don't know yet. Umm, we build so many machines in a day, it would take a lot of time to boot into dos and upgrade the firmware. We've also made sure we get the correct firmware when we order drives, so this solution is to fix machines already out in production and on drives we dont have corrected firmwares. -- Paul Saab Technical Yahoo paul@mu.org - ps@yahoo-inc.com - ps@freebsd.org Do You .. uhh .. Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 7 23:26:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-206-89-56.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.89.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B04837B67A for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:26:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA09403; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:37:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200008080637.XAA09403@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Simon" Cc: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: What happened? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:26:31 EDT." <200008081252.GAA50952@mail.fpsn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:37:59 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Great to here there is a fix :-) I have another seagate drive in the same box: > > da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 > da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > da1: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled > da1: 17522MB (35885168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2233C) > > Same problem I suspect. The drive is just bigger in size. What would you suggest as the best fix for this? can I just > update the firmware? or going with a different controller is better? I doubt i have write cache turned on as the drive > seems to work much slower creating empty files than 5.4k 40 gig IDE maxtor drive (creates 10,000 empty files 10x faster > than the SCSI i got). Still not exactly sure why. You have the same range of fixes available in either case; the firmware fix is probably the best. As for performance; there are a plethora of tuning options available to you; I would suggest that you experiment with them and learn something for yourself. 8) -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 8 10:26:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from portnoy.lbl.gov (portnoy.lbl.gov [131.243.2.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4A337BE98 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:26:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jin@portnoy.lbl.gov) Received: (from jin@localhost) by portnoy.lbl.gov (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e78HQXA10789 for hardware@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:26:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jin Guojun (DSD staff) Message-Id: <200008081726.e78HQXA10789@portnoy.lbl.gov> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Is 5-year old Mylex DAC960 too old? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a couple of 5-year old Mylex DAC960 adapters. The BIOS sees them having: Vendor ID = 1069 and the Device ID = 0200 But the 4.1-RELEASE cannot find it. # cd /sys/i386/conf # grep mlx * GENERIC:device mlx # Mylex DAC960 family LINT:device mlx # Mylex DAC960 MinMax:device mlx # Mylex DAC960 family NEWCARD:#device mlx # Mylex DAC960 family # dmesg | grep ml Is this type of board too old or I missed something to bring it up? TIA for any suggestion. -Jin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 8 10:33:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fpsn.net (mail.fpsn.net [63.224.69.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7D737B80A; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:33:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from sharky (adsl-151-202-97-90.bellatlantic.net [151.202.97.90]) by mail.fpsn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA54492; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:09:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Message-Id: <200008090109.TAA54492@mail.fpsn.net> From: "Simon" To: "Mike Smith" Cc: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 13:36:45 -0400 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <200008080637.XAA09403@mass.osd.bsdi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What happened? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike, I've emailed hypermicro.com (where I got the drives+controller) and they told me 0005 firmware is the latest. Am I missing something? Thanks, Simon On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:37:59 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >> Great to here there is a fix :-) I have another seagate drive in the same box: >> >> da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 >> da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device >> da1: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled >> da1: 17522MB (35885168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2233C) >> >> Same problem I suspect. The drive is just bigger in size. What would you suggest as the best fix for this? can I just >> update the firmware? or going with a different controller is better? I doubt i have write cache turned on as the drive >> seems to work much slower creating empty files than 5.4k 40 gig IDE maxtor drive (creates 10,000 empty files 10x faster >> than the SCSI i got). Still not exactly sure why. > >You have the same range of fixes available in either case; the firmware >fix is probably the best. > >As for performance; there are a plethora of tuning options available to >you; I would suggest that you experiment with them and learn something >for yourself. 8) > >-- >... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his >rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want >to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force >people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 8 10:38:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-206-89-56.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.89.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D32E37B574 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:38:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12660; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:49:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200008081749.KAA12660@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Jin Guojun (DSD staff) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is 5-year old Mylex DAC960 too old? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 08 Aug 2000 10:26:33 PDT." <200008081726.e78HQXA10789@portnoy.lbl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 10:49:51 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have a couple of 5-year old Mylex DAC960 adapters. The BIOS sees them having: > > Vendor ID = 1069 and the Device ID = 0200 > > But the 4.1-RELEASE cannot find it. This card might be an OEM version; can you check the BIOS/setup utilities/ stickers on the board etc.? The card is probably a 2.x or 3.x firmware model; you can tell the difference by looking for the PROM sockets close to the PCI connector. There should be two sockets; a 2.x card will have one PROM and one empty socket, while a 3.x card will have two PROMs. Once you've worked this out, you should add an entry in the mlx_identifiers array in sys/dev/mlx/mlx_pci.c and try again. Please let me know how you go; if you're not sure about this you can send me one of the cards for a week or two and I'll take care of it for you. Regards, -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 8 10:42:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-206-89-56.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.89.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8015A37B574; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:42:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12689; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:53:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200008081753.KAA12689@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Simon" Cc: "Mike Smith" , "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: What happened? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 08 Aug 2000 13:36:45 EDT." <200008090109.TAA54492@mail.fpsn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 10:53:38 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Mike, > > I've emailed hypermicro.com (where I got the drives+controller) and they told me 0005 firmware is the latest. Am I missing > something? Yes. I told you to get the upgrade from Seagate. Once you've got it, you might want to call hypermicro.com and point this out to them. 8) > Thanks, > Simon > > On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:37:59 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > >> Great to here there is a fix :-) I have another seagate drive in the same box: > >> > >> da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 > >> da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > >> da1: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled > >> da1: 17522MB (35885168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2233C) > >> > >> Same problem I suspect. The drive is just bigger in size. What would you suggest as the best fix for this? can I just > >> update the firmware? or going with a different controller is better? I doubt i have write cache turned on as the drive > >> seems to work much slower creating empty files than 5.4k 40 gig IDE maxtor drive (creates 10,000 empty files 10x > faster > >> than the SCSI i got). Still not exactly sure why. > > > >You have the same range of fixes available in either case; the firmware > >fix is probably the best. > > > >As for performance; there are a plethora of tuning options available to > >you; I would suggest that you experiment with them and learn something > >for yourself. 8) > > > >-- > >... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his > >rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want > >to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force > >people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > > > > > -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 8 10:47:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fpsn.net (mail.fpsn.net [63.224.69.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DB737B5DD; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:47:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from sharky (adsl-151-202-97-90.bellatlantic.net [151.202.97.90]) by mail.fpsn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA54595; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:23:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Message-Id: <200008090123.TAA54595@mail.fpsn.net> From: "Simon" To: "Mike Smith" Cc: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Mike Smith" Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 13:50:09 -0400 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <200008081753.KAA12689@mass.osd.bsdi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What happened? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In fact, I've spent about 2 hours at seagate.com yesterday trying to find the upgrade, but I couldn't. By any chances you wouldn't have a phone # I can reach someone at seagate, would you? I've emailed them but no reply, at least not yet. Is that how I'm supposed to get it? just email them and wait? I'm not sure what to do as I'm stuck with these drives. Thanks, Simon On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 10:53:38 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >> Mike, >> >> I've emailed hypermicro.com (where I got the drives+controller) and they told me 0005 firmware is the latest. Am I missing >> something? > >Yes. I told you to get the upgrade from Seagate. > >Once you've got it, you might want to call hypermicro.com and point this >out to them. 8) > >> Thanks, >> Simon >> >> On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:37:59 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >> >> >> Great to here there is a fix :-) I have another seagate drive in the same box: >> >> >> >> da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 >> >> da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device >> >> da1: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled >> >> da1: 17522MB (35885168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2233C) >> >> >> >> Same problem I suspect. The drive is just bigger in size. What would you suggest as the best fix for this? can I just >> >> update the firmware? or going with a different controller is better? I doubt i have write cache turned on as the drive >> >> seems to work much slower creating empty files than 5.4k 40 gig IDE maxtor drive (creates 10,000 empty files 10x >> faster >> >> than the SCSI i got). Still not exactly sure why. >> > >> >You have the same range of fixes available in either case; the firmware >> >fix is probably the best. >> > >> >As for performance; there are a plethora of tuning options available to >> >you; I would suggest that you experiment with them and learn something >> >for yourself. 8) >> > >> >-- >> >... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his >> >rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want >> >to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force >> >people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> > >-- >... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his >rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want >to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force >people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 8 10:51: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.ocsny.com (apollo.ocsny.com [204.107.76.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E2137B574 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:50:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikel@ocsny.com) Received: from ocsny.com (thoth.upan.org [204.107.76.16]) by apollo.ocsny.com (8.9.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22125 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39904AAF.7C56441D@ocsny.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:00:15 -0400 From: Mikel Organization: Optimized Computer Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,it MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fBSD-hw Subject: 3ware ata raid Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------AF8DE1D1B416CE15496139B8" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AF8DE1D1B416CE15496139B8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok so I found 3ware who happen to have a card that is supported however they have pretty much discontinued that series of cards. The new series is supported under certain linuxes, so I am curious if anyone could venture a guess as to how hard it would be to port the linux code? And of course would anyone like to do it? -- Cheers, Mikel +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ | Optimized Computer Solutions, Inc http://www.ocsny.com | 39 W14th Street, Suite 203 212 727 2238 x132 | New York, NY 10011 +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ --------------AF8DE1D1B416CE15496139B8 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="mikel.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Mikel Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mikel.vcf" begin:vcard n:King;Mikel tel;fax:2124638402 tel;home:http://www.upan.org tel;work:2127272100 x-mozilla-html:TRUE org:Optimized Computer Solutions version:2.1 email;internet:mikel@ocsny.com title:Director of Network Operations & Technology adr;quoted-printable:;;39 W14th St.=0D=0ASte 203;New York;NY;10011;US note;quoted-printable:fBSD, PHP, MySql and OCS Rule!!!=0D=0A=0D=0AGoal is to be MS free by the end of 2k. x-mozilla-cpt:;7312 fn:Mikel King end:vcard --------------AF8DE1D1B416CE15496139B8-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 8 10:54:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-206-89-56.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.89.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28CA37B574 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:54:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12777; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:05:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200008081805.LAA12777@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Simon" Cc: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: What happened? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 08 Aug 2000 13:50:09 EDT." <200008090123.TAA54595@mail.fpsn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:05:37 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > In fact, I've spent about 2 hours at seagate.com yesterday trying to > find the upgrade, but I couldn't. By any chances you wouldn't have a phone > # I can reach someone at seagate, would you? I've emailed them but no > reply, at least not yet. Is that how I'm supposed to get it? just email > them and wait? I'm not sure what to do as I'm stuck with these drives. What you're supposed to do is get a firmware upgrade from Seagate. How you do that is up to you. In the meantime, you have several workaround options that have already been detailed to you. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 8 10:56:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-206-89-56.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.89.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D97937B623 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:56:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12793; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:07:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200008081807.LAA12793@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Mikel Cc: fBSD-hw Subject: Re: 3ware ata raid In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:00:15 EDT." <39904AAF.7C56441D@ocsny.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:07:32 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Ok so I found 3ware who happen to have a card that is supported however > they have pretty much discontinued that series of cards. The new series > is supported under certain linuxes, so I am curious if anyone could > venture a guess as to how hard it would be to port the linux code? And > of course would anyone like to do it? The 6x00 family cards have the same interface as the 5x00 family cards; they even have the same PCI IDs. The existing driver already works. The only reason this isn't listed in the 4.1 release notes etc. is that my sample card didn't arrive until after 4.1 was put to sleep. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 8 11:18:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from portnoy.lbl.gov (portnoy.lbl.gov [131.243.2.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF9837B9EB; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:18:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jin@portnoy.lbl.gov) Received: (from jin@localhost) by portnoy.lbl.gov (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e78II9g12164; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:18:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jin Guojun (DSD staff) Message-Id: <200008081818.e78II9g12164@portnoy.lbl.gov> To: msmith@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is 5-year old Mylex DAC960 too old? Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith Wrote: } > I have a couple of 5-year old Mylex DAC960 adapters. The BIOS sees them having: } > } > Vendor ID = 1069 and the Device ID = 0200 } > } > But the 4.1-RELEASE cannot find it. } } This card might be an OEM version; can you check the BIOS/setup utilities/ } stickers on the board etc.? } } The card is probably a 2.x or 3.x firmware model; you can tell the } difference by looking for the PROM sockets close to the PCI connector. } There should be two sockets; a 2.x card will have one PROM and one empty } socket, while a 3.x card will have two PROMs. Once you've worked this } out, you should add an entry in the mlx_identifiers array in } sys/dev/mlx/mlx_pci.c and try again. It look like that the firmware model is v3.5-0-9 (with two PROM), so I duplicated the second entry and changed D-ID from 0x0002 to 0x0200. } mlx_identifiers[] = { {0x1069, 0x0001, 0x0000, 0x0000, MLX_IFTYPE_2, "Mylex version 2 RAID interfa ce"}, {0x1069, 0x0002, 0x0000, 0x0000, MLX_IFTYPE_3, "Mylex version 3 RAID interfa ce"}, {0x1069, 0x0200, 0x0000, 0x0000, MLX_IFTYPE_3, "Mylex version 3 RAID interfa ce"}, {0x1069, 0x0010, 0x0000, 0x0000, MLX_IFTYPE_4, "Mylex version 4 RAID interfa ce"}, {0x1011, 0x1065, 0x1069, 0x0020, MLX_IFTYPE_5, "Mylex version 5 RAID interfa ce"}, {0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0} }; The booting process hangs firmly at -- mlx0: ... ... mlx0: controller initialisation in progress ... What can I try next? Thanks, -Jin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 8 11:29:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-206-89-56.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.89.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC3037BA31 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:29:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13014; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:40:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200008081840.LAA13014@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Jin Guojun (DSD staff) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is 5-year old Mylex DAC960 too old? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:18:09 PDT." <200008081818.e78II9g12164@portnoy.lbl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:40:55 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Mike Smith Wrote: > } > I have a couple of 5-year old Mylex DAC960 adapters. The BIOS sees them having: > } > > } > Vendor ID = 1069 and the Device ID = 0200 > } > > } > But the 4.1-RELEASE cannot find it. > } > } This card might be an OEM version; can you check the BIOS/setup utilities/ > } stickers on the board etc.? I'd still like to know what this board actually is. Are there *any* identifying labels/marks on the board at all? > It look like that the firmware model is v3.5-0-9 (with two PROM), > so I duplicated the second entry and changed D-ID from 0x0002 to 0x0200. I don't know anything specific about this firmware version; does the BIOS on the card sign on at all? It should announce the BIOS and firmware versions during system startup. > {0x1069, 0x0200, 0x0000, 0x0000, MLX_IFTYPE_3, "Mylex version... Looks fine... > The booting process hangs firmly at -- > > mlx0: ... ... > mlx0: controller initialisation in progress ... How long does it hang here? If the controller BIOS hasn't run (eg. there is no BIOS, or the BIOS is not x86 code) then this process can take several minutes. > What can I try next? The first goal is to work out what these adapters really are. If they're an OEM model, but they still sign on, try updating the BIOS/firmware to the most recent available for the board (3.52) with the tools from the Mylex site. I'd also be interested to know whether the controller is coming up I/O mapped only, or I/O and memory-mapped, or memory-mapped only (ie. the rest of the mlx0: line. Regards, -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 8 12: 0: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fpsn.net (mail.fpsn.net [63.224.69.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787C237B9B1; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:59:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from sharky (adsl-151-202-97-90.bellatlantic.net [151.202.97.90]) by mail.fpsn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA55113; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:36:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Message-Id: <200008090236.UAA55113@mail.fpsn.net> From: "Simon" To: "Mike Smith" Cc: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 15:03:00 -0400 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <200008081805.LAA12777@mass.osd.bsdi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What happened? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I finally got it. Too bad I can only upgrade from windows. Thanks a lot for all your help, I truly appreciate it. -Simon On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:05:37 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > >> In fact, I've spent about 2 hours at seagate.com yesterday trying to >> find the upgrade, but I couldn't. By any chances you wouldn't have a phone >> # I can reach someone at seagate, would you? I've emailed them but no >> reply, at least not yet. Is that how I'm supposed to get it? just email >> them and wait? I'm not sure what to do as I'm stuck with these drives. > >What you're supposed to do is get a firmware upgrade from Seagate. How >you do that is up to you. In the meantime, you have several workaround >options that have already been detailed to you. > >-- >... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his >rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want >to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force >people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 8 12:45:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from portnoy.lbl.gov (portnoy.lbl.gov [131.243.2.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5528137B633; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:45:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jin@portnoy.lbl.gov) Received: (from jin@localhost) by portnoy.lbl.gov (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e78JjRT14931; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:45:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jin Guojun (DSD staff) Message-Id: <200008081945.e78JjRT14931@portnoy.lbl.gov> To: msmith@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is 5-year old Mylex DAC960 too old? Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith Wrote: > > } > I have a couple of 5-year old Mylex DAC960 adapters. The BIOS sees them ha > ving: > > } > > > } > Vendor ID = 1069 and the Device ID = 0200 > > } > > > } > But the 4.1-RELEASE cannot find it. > > } > > } This card might be an OEM version; can you check the BIOS/setup utilities/ > > } stickers on the board etc.? > > I'd still like to know what this board actually is. Are there *any* > identifying labels/marks on the board at all? It seems not having setup utilities. No BIOS information. The stickers on the back: one at the handle side -- FCC ID: D5NDAC960PDU-3 one at the connector side -- W.O. APL90220-01 D040378-0 REV. F On the front side, in the middle and on the top of the memory slot, there is a green module labeled as DAC960LB DB1 MYLEX CORP > > It look like that the firmware model is v3.5-0-9 (with two PROM), > > so I duplicated the second entry and changed D-ID from 0x0002 to 0x0200. > > I don't know anything specific about this firmware version; does the BIOS > on the card sign on at all? It should announce the BIOS and firmware > versions during system startup. The PROM u34 and u47 are labeled as 615151-F04 V3.50-0-9 and 615152-F04 V3.50-0-9 There is no sign on for the BIOS. > > {0x1069, 0x0200, 0x0000, 0x0000, MLX_IFTYPE_3, "Mylex version... > > Looks fine... > > > The booting process hangs firmly at -- > > > > mlx0: ... ... > > mlx0: controller initialisation in progress... > > How long does it hang here? If the controller BIOS hasn't run (eg. there > is no BIOS, or the BIOS is not x86 code) then this process can take > several minutes. mlx0: port 0xd000-0xd07f mem 0xe3000000-0xe300007f irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci0 mlx0: controller initialisation in progress... It deadly hangs. No softboot, no key stroke accepted. Have to do hardware reset. I have waited for at least 12 minutes :-( > > What can I try next? > > The first goal is to work out what these adapters really are. If they're > an OEM model, but they still sign on, try updating the BIOS/firmware to > the most recent available for the board (3.52) with the tools from the > Mylex site. > > I'd also be interested to know whether the controller is coming up I/O > mapped only, or I/O and memory-mapped, or memory-mapped only (ie. the > rest of the mlx0: line. > > Regards, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 8 23: 7:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from alcanet.com.au (mail.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DF4BA37B696 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:07:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <115240>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:07:34 +1000 Content-return: prohibited Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:07:29 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Finding programmers manuals for NICs To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-followup-to: hardware@freebsd.org Message-Id: <00Aug9.160734est.115240@border.alcanet.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trying to adapt a number of NIC drivers to support 802.1q VLANs, but I'm having problems locating the relevant programming information. I'm particularly interested in the following: Card: SMC9432TX (EtherPower II 10/100) Chip: SMC83c170(?) The search engine on the SMC site just gave me an asp error and there's no obvious developer documentation. Based on a study of if_tx.c, I think VLAN support is just a matter of changing the initialisation for (struct epic_rx_desc).buflen. Card: Intel EtherPower Pro/100+ Chip: 82559 I've found the datasheet at developer.intel.com. It says "set the Long Receive OK bit in the Configuration command (described in the 10/100 Mbit Family Software Developer's Manual)". Unfortunately, I can't find any trace of that manual. There is a VLAN patch at http://www.euitt.upm.es/~pjlobo/fxp-mtu-patch-4.x but it just saves the bad frames, which is different to the comment in the datasheet. Card: DEC DE500-BA Chip: DEC/Intel 21143 The preliminary datasheet is at developer.intel.com. This contains absolutely no information on programming the chip and I can't find any programming information on the intel site. I can't find anything in if_dc.c that suggests any framesize limit, but there is one because it drops long frames. Presumably it needs a bit toggled somewhere. Card: 3Com 3c905-TX (I can't easily check the actual chip). I was unable to locate anything useful on www.3com.com. There is a patch for the 3c905B-TX at http://www.physics.purdue.edu/~csg/xl-vlan.patch but I'm not sure if the max packet size register is also present in the 3c905. (I'm also working on the TI ThunderLAN used as the Compaq Netelligent, but I've managed to find the programming documentation for that). Any assistance would be welcomed. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 8 23:14: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9E037BB9B for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:13:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id AAA91067; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:13:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:13:41 -0600 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Peter Jeremy Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Finding programmers manuals for NICs Message-ID: <20000809001341.A91034@panzer.kdm.org> References: <00Aug9.160734est.115240@border.alcanet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <00Aug9.160734est.115240@border.alcanet.com.au>; from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au on Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 04:07:29PM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 16:07:29 +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: > I'm trying to adapt a number of NIC drivers to support 802.1q VLANs, > but I'm having problems locating the relevant programming information. > I'm particularly interested in the following: [ ... ] > Card: Intel EtherPower Pro/100+ Chip: 82559 > I've found the datasheet at developer.intel.com. It says > "set the Long Receive OK bit in the Configuration command > (described in the 10/100 Mbit Family Software Developer's > Manual)". Unfortunately, I can't find any trace of that > manual. There is a VLAN patch at > http://www.euitt.upm.es/~pjlobo/fxp-mtu-patch-4.x but it > just saves the bad frames, which is different to the > comment in the datasheet. At least for that one, you won't find a developer's manual without an NDA. I looked around on Intel's web site to find the right information on the 8255x chips when I was trying to figure out how to enable flow control on them. A number of the documents they have are close to what you'd need, but not quite there. I ended up getting the information from the Linux driver, and David Greenman told me that you can't get info on that chip without an NDA. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 8 23:34:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-206-89-56.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.89.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8281537BB9B for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:34:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16580; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:45:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200008090645.XAA16580@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Jin Guojun (DSD staff) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is 5-year old Mylex DAC960 too old? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 08 Aug 2000 12:45:27 PDT." <200008081945.e78JjRT14931@portnoy.lbl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:45:39 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Mike Smith Wrote: > > > } > I have a couple of 5-year old Mylex DAC960 adapters. The BIOS sees them ha > > ving: > > > } > > > > } > Vendor ID = 1069 and the Device ID = 0200 > > > } > > > > } > But the 4.1-RELEASE cannot find it. > > > } > > > } This card might be an OEM version; can you check the BIOS/setup utilities/ > > > } stickers on the board etc.? > > > > I'd still like to know what this board actually is. Are there *any* > > identifying labels/marks on the board at all? > > It seems not having setup utilities. No BIOS information. Have you tried downloading the setup utilities from the Mylex website? Do they recognise the adapter? > The stickers on the back: > > one at the handle side -- > FCC ID: D5NDAC960PDU-3 Ok. It's a 3-channel ultra-wide controller; nice, worth having. > one at the connector side -- > W.O. APL90220-01 > D040378-0 > REV. F I don't know about this; it's a build sticker of some sort, it's possible that my contact at Mylex can tell me more about it. > On the front side, in the middle and on the top of the memory slot, there is > a green module labeled as > DAC960LB DB1 > MYLEX CORP This is a bypass connector for the battery-backup slot. Don't remove it - the controller won't work (properly) without it. You can still buy the BBUs, AFAIK. > There is no sign on for the BIOS. That would suggest that something is quite wrong. You should get at least the following: DAC 960 BIOS Version 3.xx - Mylex Corporation DAC960PDU Firmware version 3.xx DAC960 Memory = XX Mbytes () The BIOS on these older cards is not very good about PCI bridges. If you're not on PCI bus 0, you might want to try moving the card. Try in a machine that only has one PCI bus, if possible. > > How long does it hang here? If the controller BIOS hasn't run (eg. there > > is no BIOS, or the BIOS is not x86 code) then this process can take > > several minutes. > > mlx0: port 0xd000-0xd07f mem 0xe3000000-0xe300007f irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci0 > mlx0: controller initialisation in progress... > > It deadly hangs. No softboot, no key stroke accepted. Have to do hardware reset. > I have waited for at least 12 minutes :-( That would suggest that the card might actually be dead. Silly question - is there any RAM in the socket on the board? Is it RAM that came with the card, or some that you just dug up? These boards are a little picky about memory, and the CPU may not boot with the wrong memory. Have you tried both boards? I'll ask my contacts at Mylex and see if I can find out what the cards are; for about $70 or so you can get a set of flash PROMs for these cards that will update them to the most recent firmware - if yours have been destroyed (eg. by a bad flash update) then that may be the only way out. Regards, -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 8 23:50: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C50537B8BC for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:50:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA08429; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008090634.XAA08429@implode.root.com> To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: Peter Jeremy , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Finding programmers manuals for NICs In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:13:41 MDT." <20000809001341.A91034@panzer.kdm.org> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:34:13 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I ended up getting the information from the Linux driver, and David >Greenman told me that you can't get info on that chip without an NDA. ...and I'd like to add that I'd be happy to see those changes go into FreeBSD as soon as someone can figure out what the magic bits do. -DG David Greenman Co-founder, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Manufacturer of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 8 23:54:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-206-89-56.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.89.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80CD337BD34 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:54:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16714; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:06:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200008090706.AAA16714@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Jin Guojun (DSD staff) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is 5-year old Mylex DAC960 too old? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:45:39 PDT." <200008090645.XAA16580@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:06:08 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > The BIOS on these older cards is not very good about PCI bridges. If > you're not on PCI bus 0, you might want to try moving the card. Try in a > machine that only has one PCI bus, if possible. ... > > mlx0: port 0xd000-0xd07f mem 0xe3000000-0xe300007f irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci0 Whoops, you're already on PCI bus 0. Ignore the above. I've asked Mylex for more information - I'll keep you posted. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 1:59: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A56F37B669; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:58:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA04471; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:50:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200008090850.EAA04471@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Mike Smith" , "Mikel" Cc: "fBSD-hw" Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 04:59:52 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: <200008081807.LAA12793@mass.osd.bsdi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 3ware ata raid Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:07:32 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >The only reason this isn't listed in the 4.1 release notes etc. is that >my sample card didn't arrive until after 4.1 was put to sleep. Did you get a chance to test the 6?00 line yet? You mentioned a few days back you were going to do it. I am ordering one tomorrow at work and if that works out we may order another two or three (much cheaper than going SCSI raid for a small setup where protection is more important than speed). francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 6: 7:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-206-89-56.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.89.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0FE37B598 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 06:07:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA18503; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 06:18:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200008091318.GAA18503@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Francisco Reyes" Cc: "Mikel" , "fBSD-hw" Subject: Re: 3ware ata raid In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 09 Aug 2000 04:59:52 EDT." <200008090850.EAA04471@sanson.reyes.somos.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 06:18:23 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:07:32 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > >The only reason this isn't listed in the 4.1 release notes etc. is that > >my sample card didn't arrive until after 4.1 was put to sleep. > > Did you get a chance to test the 6?00 line yet? You mentioned a > few days back you were going to do it. Yes - as expected they "just work". -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 7:29:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from gabriel.schoolpeople.net (gabriel.schoolpeople.net [216.34.170.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C45037B5F5 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 07:29:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brandon@schoolpeople.net) Received: from triangulata (cs2887-65.austin.rr.com [24.28.87.65]) by gabriel.schoolpeople.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA60679 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:29:05 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brandon@schoolpeople.net) Message-ID: <011f01c0020e$dd6a41e0$41571c18@austin.rr.com> From: "Brandon S. DeYoung" To: "FreeBSDHW" Subject: "Binding" CPUs to NICs Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:34:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011C_01C001E4.F447EEA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011C_01C001E4.F447EEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I read an article a while back about tuning Samba. It made a refference = to "Binding" one of the CPUs in an SMP system to the NIC to improve = network throughput. Can someone please tell me whether or not this is = possible under FreeBSD (4.1-release). If so can you pint me at some = online doc? Thanks in advance, ~Brandon ...It don't mean a thing=20 If you cain't get that ping... 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I read an article a while back about = tuning Samba.=20 It made a refference to "Binding" one of the CPUs in an SMP system to = the NIC to=20 improve network throughput. Can someone please tell me whether or not = this is=20 possible under FreeBSD (4.1-release). If so can you pint me at some = online=20 doc?
 
Thanks in advance,
 
~Brandon
 

...It don't mean a thing
If you cain't get that = ping...

Brandon S. DeYoung   
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------=_NextPart_000_011C_01C001E4.F447EEA0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 8:13:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82BC37BD9D for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:13:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA93128; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:13:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:13:37 -0600 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: David Greenman Cc: Peter Jeremy , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Finding programmers manuals for NICs Message-ID: <20000809091337.A93108@panzer.kdm.org> References: <20000809001341.A91034@panzer.kdm.org> <200008090634.XAA08429@implode.root.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200008090634.XAA08429@implode.root.com>; from dg@root.com on Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 11:34:13PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 23:34:13 -0700, David Greenman wrote: > >I ended up getting the information from the Linux driver, and David > >Greenman told me that you can't get info on that chip without an NDA. > > ...and I'd like to add that I'd be happy to see those changes go into > FreeBSD as soon as someone can figure out what the magic bits do. Well, you've got the manual, don't you? :) Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 8:21:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from vinyl.sentex.ca (vinyl.sentex.ca [209.112.4.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1088437BB66; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:21:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite-atm.sentex.ca [209.112.4.1]) by vinyl.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA87431; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:20:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA28028; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:16:51 -0400 To: questions@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa Subject: forcing which SCSI device to boot from Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have an Adaptec 2940 and a 3ware IDE raid card. I have been booting from the Adaptec, but when I put the 3ware card in, the drive insists on booting from the 3ware. Apart from making a boot floppy disk, is there any way to force the drive to boot from the Adaptec ? ---Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications mike@sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 9: 1:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C2937BB24; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:01:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA93439; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:00:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:00:54 -0600 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Mike Tancsa Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: forcing which SCSI device to boot from Message-ID: <20000809100054.A93412@panzer.kdm.org> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca>; from mike@sentex.net on Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 11:16:51AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 11:16:51 -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > I have an Adaptec 2940 and a 3ware IDE raid card. I have been booting from > the Adaptec, but when I put the 3ware card in, the drive insists on booting > from the 3ware. Apart from making a boot floppy disk, is there any way to > force the drive to boot from the Adaptec ? You can try swapping the slots they are in. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 9: 1:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from trill.hh.se (trill.hh.se [194.47.5.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0CD37BD89; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:01:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from u98jobj@stud.hh.se) Received: from gs177.gsten.hh.se (chip@gs177.gsten.hh.se [194.47.16.177]) by trill.hh.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23106; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:01:22 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:01:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Joel Bjork To: Mike Tancsa Subject: RE: forcing which SCSI device to boot from Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 09-Aug-00 Mike Tancsa wrote: > > I have an Adaptec 2940 and a 3ware IDE raid card. I have been booting from > the Adaptec, but when I put the 3ware card in, the drive insists on booting > from the 3ware. Apart from making a boot floppy disk, is there any way to > force the drive to boot from the Adaptec ? > > ---Mike Sounds like a BIOS issue, check the bootorder in the Bios, defaults are ususally: floppy, IDE, SCSI ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Joel Bjork Date: 09-Aug-00 Time: 18:01:22 ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 9: 5: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from vinyl.sentex.ca (vinyl.sentex.ca [209.112.4.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D1337BB6D; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:04:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite-atm.sentex.ca [209.112.4.1]) by vinyl.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00272; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:04:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA15693; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809115949.0296a970@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:00:44 -0400 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: forcing which SCSI device to boot from Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000809100054.A93412@panzer.kdm.org> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:00 AM 8/9/00 -0600, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: >On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 11:16:51 -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > > I have an Adaptec 2940 and a 3ware IDE raid card. I have been booting > from > > the Adaptec, but when I put the 3ware card in, the drive insists on > booting > > from the 3ware. Apart from making a boot floppy disk, is there any way to > > force the drive to boot from the Adaptec ? > >You can try swapping the slots they are in. Thanks, I tried that as well as assigning different IRQs (one higher than the other), and still no dice. Someone else told me its based on the PROM address :-( ---Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications mike@sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 9: 5:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from portnoy.lbl.gov (portnoy.lbl.gov [131.243.2.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214C237BE1D; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:05:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jin@portnoy.lbl.gov) Received: (from jin@localhost) by portnoy.lbl.gov (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e79G55c11285; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:05:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jin Guojun (DSD staff) Message-Id: <200008091605.e79G55c11285@portnoy.lbl.gov> To: msmith@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is 5-year old Mylex DAC960 too old? Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith Wrote: > > > > } > I have a couple of 5-year old Mylex DAC960 adapters. The BIOS sees the > m ha > > > ving: > > > > } > > > > > } > Vendor ID = 1069 and the Device ID = 0200 > > > > } > > > > > } > But the 4.1-RELEASE cannot find it. > > > > } > > > > } This card might be an OEM version; can you check the BIOS/setup utilitie > s/ > > > > } stickers on the board etc.? > > > > > > I'd still like to know what this board actually is. Are there *any* > > > identifying labels/marks on the board at all? > > > > It seems not having setup utilities. No BIOS information. > > Have you tried downloading the setup utilities from the Mylex website? > Do they recognise the adapter? They have similar model to this but not exactly. I will try some of them on one of my board to see what will happen. > > > How long does it hang here? If the controller BIOS hasn't run (eg. there > > > is no BIOS, or the BIOS is not x86 code) then this process can take > > > several minutes. > > > > mlx0: port 0xd000-0xd07f mem 0xe3000000-0xe30 > 0007f irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci0 > > mlx0: controller initialisation in progress... > > > > It deadly hangs. No softboot, no key stroke accepted. Have to do hardware rese > t. > > I have waited for at least 12 minutes :-( > > That would suggest that the card might actually be dead. Silly question > - is there any RAM in the socket on the board? Is it RAM that came with > the card, or some that you just dug up? These boards are a little picky > about memory, and the CPU may not boot with the wrong memory. Have you > tried both boards? > > I'll ask my contacts at Mylex and see if I can find out what the cards > are; for about $70 or so you can get a set of flash PROMs for these cards > that will update them to the most recent firmware - if yours have been > destroyed (eg. by a bad flash update) then that may be the only way out. > Both boards act the same way; one was opened a few years ago, and I opened the other one yesterday for comparsion. There is no RAM in the memory slot. Please let me know if you heard something from Mylex. In the meantime, I will try to play with one adapter. In the worst case, I will end up buying a set of new PROMs for this board if Mylex it can may it work. Thanks, -Jin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 9: 5:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from vinyl.sentex.ca (vinyl.sentex.ca [209.112.4.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB06637BB6D; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:05:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite-atm.sentex.ca [209.112.4.1]) by vinyl.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00362; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:05:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA15902; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809120051.0299c4a0@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:01:18 -0400 To: Joel Bjork From: Mike Tancsa Subject: RE: forcing which SCSI device to boot from Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:01 PM 8/9/00 +0200, Joel Bjork wrote: >On 09-Aug-00 Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > > I have an Adaptec 2940 and a 3ware IDE raid card. I have been booting from > > the Adaptec, but when I put the 3ware card in, the drive insists on booting > > from the 3ware. Apart from making a boot floppy disk, is there any way to > > force the drive to boot from the Adaptec ? > > > > ---Mike >Sounds like a BIOS issue, check the bootorder in the Bios, defaults are >ususally: floppy, IDE, SCSI Thanks, but I think the problem is that the BIOS sees the Adaptec and the 3ware card BOTH as SCSI devices. ---Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications mike@sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 9:26: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from cfdnet.me.tuns.ca (CFDnet.me.TUNS.Ca [134.190.50.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D782A37BD30; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:25:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@cfdnet.me.tuns.ca) Received: from localhost (freebsd@localhost) by cfdnet.me.tuns.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29669; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:25:31 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from freebsd@cfdnet.me.tuns.ca) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:25:31 -0300 (ADT) From: Theo Bell To: Mike Tancsa Cc: Joel Bjork , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: forcing which SCSI device to boot from In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809120051.0299c4a0@marble.sentex.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I think you may have to disable the one you don't want to boot from in the BIOS. Theo Bell CFDnet.com Development Team -------------------------------------- On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Mike Tancsa wrote: > At 06:01 PM 8/9/00 +0200, Joel Bjork wrote: > > >On 09-Aug-00 Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > > > > I have an Adaptec 2940 and a 3ware IDE raid card. I have been booting from > > > the Adaptec, but when I put the 3ware card in, the drive insists on booting > > > from the 3ware. Apart from making a boot floppy disk, is there any way to > > > force the drive to boot from the Adaptec ? > > > > > > ---Mike > >Sounds like a BIOS issue, check the bootorder in the Bios, defaults are > >ususally: floppy, IDE, SCSI > > Thanks, but I think the problem is that the BIOS sees the Adaptec and the > 3ware card BOTH as SCSI devices. > > ---Mike > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 9:28:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from vinyl.sentex.ca (vinyl.sentex.ca [209.112.4.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD22537BD30; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:28:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite-atm.sentex.ca [209.112.4.1]) by vinyl.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06214; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:28:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA25164; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809122159.02c54660@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:24:08 -0400 To: Theo Bell From: Mike Tancsa Subject: RE: forcing which SCSI device to boot from Cc: Joel Bjork , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809120051.0299c4a0@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:25 PM 8/9/00 -0300, Theo Bell wrote: >Hello, > >I think you may have to disable the one you don't want to boot from in the >BIOS. Hi, Unfortunately there does not seem to be a way to do this in the 3ware card's BIOS :-( Nor does the MB's BIOS give enough granularity to specify which "SCSI device" to boot from. Does anyone have a URL to instructions to create a boot floppy. I am searching through the archives, but am having problems finding the reference to the instructions. ---Mike >Theo Bell >CFDnet.com Development Team >-------------------------------------- > >On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > At 06:01 PM 8/9/00 +0200, Joel Bjork wrote: > > > > >On 09-Aug-00 Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > > > > > > I have an Adaptec 2940 and a 3ware IDE raid card. I have been > booting from > > > > the Adaptec, but when I put the 3ware card in, the drive insists on > booting > > > > from the 3ware. Apart from making a boot floppy disk, is there any > way to > > > > force the drive to boot from the Adaptec ? > > > > > > > > ---Mike > > >Sounds like a BIOS issue, check the bootorder in the Bios, defaults are > > >ususally: floppy, IDE, SCSI > > > > Thanks, but I think the problem is that the BIOS sees the Adaptec and the > > 3ware card BOTH as SCSI devices. > > > > ---Mike > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications mike@sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 9:29:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2585237BE03; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:29:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA93568; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:28:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:28:52 -0600 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Mike Tancsa Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: forcing which SCSI device to boot from Message-ID: <20000809102852.A93534@panzer.kdm.org> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> <20000809100054.A93412@panzer.kdm.org> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809115949.0296a970@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809115949.0296a970@marble.sentex.ca>; from mike@sentex.net on Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 12:00:44PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 12:00:44 -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote: > At 10:00 AM 8/9/00 -0600, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > >On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 11:16:51 -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > > > > I have an Adaptec 2940 and a 3ware IDE raid card. I have been booting > > from > > > the Adaptec, but when I put the 3ware card in, the drive insists on > > booting > > > from the 3ware. Apart from making a boot floppy disk, is there any way to > > > force the drive to boot from the Adaptec ? > > > >You can try swapping the slots they are in. > > Thanks, > I tried that as well as assigning different IRQs (one higher than > the other), and still no dice. Someone else told me its based on the PROM > address :-( Well, the only other thing I can think of would be to disable the BIOS on the RAID controller. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 9:53:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from vinyl.sentex.ca (vinyl.sentex.ca [209.112.4.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C4C37BE1D; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:53:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite-atm.sentex.ca [209.112.4.1]) by vinyl.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11488; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:53:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA04103; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809124737.02c3f100@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:48:56 -0400 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: forcing which SCSI device to boot from Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000809102852.A93534@panzer.kdm.org> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809115949.0296a970@marble.sentex.ca> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> <20000809100054.A93412@panzer.kdm.org> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809115949.0296a970@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:28 AM 8/9/00 -0600, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: >On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 12:00:44 -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > At 10:00 AM 8/9/00 -0600, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > > >On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 11:16:51 -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > > > > > > I have an Adaptec 2940 and a 3ware IDE raid card. I have been booting > > > from > > > > the Adaptec, but when I put the 3ware card in, the drive insists on > > > booting > > > > from the 3ware. Apart from making a boot floppy disk, is there any > way to > > > > force the drive to boot from the Adaptec ? > > > > > >You can try swapping the slots they are in. > > > > Thanks, > > I tried that as well as assigning different IRQs (one higher than > > the other), and still no dice. Someone else told me its based on the PROM > > address :-( > >Well, the only other thing I can think of would be to disable the BIOS on >the RAID controller. Sadly not an option on the 3ware card :-( I have a call into their support to see if there is some undocumented way to do it. I will post the results here when I hear back from them. ---Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications mike@sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 11: 4: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sammy.tibco.com (sammy.tibco.com [192.216.111.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B8F237B90B; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:03:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aram@tibco.com) Received: from osgood.tibco.com (osgood.tibco.com [160.101.240.42]) by sammy.tibco.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18867; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:03:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venus.tibco.com (venus.tibco.com [160.101.240.40]) by osgood.tibco.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07047; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tibco.com ([160.101.22.192]) by venus.tibco.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA2294; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:03:38 -0700 Message-ID: <39919B81.8381BE5D@tibco.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:57:21 -0700 From: "Aram Compeau" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh,fr,ja,ko MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Tancsa Cc: "Kenneth D. Merry" , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: forcing which SCSI device to boot from References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809115949.0296a970@marble.sentex.ca> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> <20000809100054.A93412@panzer.kdm.org> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809115949.0296a970@marble.sentex.ca> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809124737.02c3f100@marble.sentex.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have no experience with IDE RAID controllers, but I believe you are normally stuck booting from an IDE drive if you have a system with mixed IDE ? SCSI drives. However, I know you said the BIOS seems to see the IDE RAID controller as a SCSI device (which I found surprising). Anyway, just a thought. Aram Mike Tancsa wrote: > At 10:28 AM 8/9/00 -0600, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > ?On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 12:00:44 -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote: > ? ? At 10:00 AM 8/9/00 -0600, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > ? ? ?On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 11:16:51 -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote: > ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? I have an Adaptec 2940 and a 3ware IDE raid card. I have been booting > ? ? ? from > ? ? ? ? the Adaptec, but when I put the 3ware card in, the drive insists on > ? ? ? booting > ? ? ? ? from the 3ware. Apart from making a boot floppy disk, is there any > ? way to > ? ? ? ? force the drive to boot from the Adaptec ? > ? ? ? > ? ? ?You can try swapping the slots they are in. > ? ? > ? ? Thanks, > ? ? I tried that as well as assigning different IRQs (one higher than > ? ? the other), and still no dice. Someone else told me its based on the PROM > ? ? address :-( > ? > ?Well, the only other thing I can think of would be to disable the BIOS on > ?the RAID controller. > > Sadly not an option on the 3ware card :-( I have a call into their support > to see if there is some undocumented way to do it. I will post the results > here when I hear back from them. > > ---Mike > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 > Sentex Communications mike@sentex.net > Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 11:11:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from smtpproxy2.mitre.org (mwunix.mitre.org [128.29.154.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6ED837BEDC; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:11:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jandrese@mitre.org) Received: from avsrv1.mitre.org (avsrv1.mitre.org [129.83.20.58]) by smtpproxy2.mitre.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16764; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsrv2.mitre.org (mailsrv2.mitre.org [129.83.221.17]) by smtpsrv1.mitre.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11013; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitre.org ([128.29.145.140]) by mailsrv2.mitre.org (Netscape Messaging Server 4.1) with ESMTP id FZ1EI100.1ZL; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:10:49 -0400 Message-ID: <39919F38.4B708B62@mitre.org> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:13:12 -0400 From: "Andresen,Jason R." Organization: The MITRE Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-20000509M (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aram Compeau Cc: Mike Tancsa , "Kenneth D. Merry" , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: forcing which SCSI device to boot from References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809115949.0296a970@marble.sentex.ca> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> <20000809100054.A93412@panzer.kdm.org> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809115949.0296a970@marble.sentex.ca> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809124737.02c3f100@marble.sentex.ca> <39919B81.8381BE5D@tibco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Aram Compeau wrote: > > I have no experience with IDE RAID controllers, but I believe you are normally > stuck booting from an IDE drive if you have a system with mixed IDE ? SCSI drives. > However, I know you said the BIOS seems to see the IDE RAID controller as a SCSI > device (which I found surprising). Anyway, just a thought. > Well, a common trick is just to stick some sort of boot loader (like xosl) on the IDE drive and have it point to the SCSI drive. I don't know if this will work with the funky IDE/SCSI RAID card however. -- _ _ _ ___ ____ ___ ______________________________________ / \/ \ | ||_ _|| _ \|___| | Jason Andresen -- jandrese@mitre.org / /\/\ \ | | | | | |/ /|_|_ | Views expressed may not reflect those /_/ \_\|_| |_| |_|\_\|___| | of the Mitre Corporation. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 11:12:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF67D37BDEB for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:12:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09600; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008091756.KAA09600@implode.root.com> To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: Peter Jeremy , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Finding programmers manuals for NICs In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 09 Aug 2000 09:13:37 MDT." <20000809091337.A93108@panzer.kdm.org> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:56:37 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >On Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 23:34:13 -0700, David Greenman wrote: >> >I ended up getting the information from the Linux driver, and David >> >Greenman told me that you can't get info on that chip without an NDA. >> >> ...and I'd like to add that I'd be happy to see those changes go into >> FreeBSD as soon as someone can figure out what the magic bits do. > >Well, you've got the manual, don't you? :) Nope. I have the manual for the 82557, which doesn't not have support for flow control. I can't get the manual for the 82559 without signing an NDA. -DG David Greenman Co-founder, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Manufacturer of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 11:14:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from wondermutt.net (host75-157.student.udel.edu [128.175.75.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB7437BF25; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:14:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from papalia@udel.edu) Received: from morgaine.udel.edu (morgaine.wondermutt.net [192.168.1.2]) by wondermutt.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA83342; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:16:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from papalia@udel.edu) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000809140716.00aced70@mail.udel.edu> X-Sender: papalia@mail.udel.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:09:39 -0400 To: "Aram Compeau" , Mike Tancsa From: John Subject: Re: forcing which SCSI device to boot from Cc: "Kenneth D. Merry" , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <39919B81.8381BE5D@tibco.com> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809115949.0296a970@marble.sentex.ca> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> <20000809100054.A93412@panzer.kdm.org> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809115949.0296a970@marble.sentex.ca> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809124737.02c3f100@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Perhaps have you tried the simple solution of setting your computer's bios to boot to SCSI? The few 'modern' bioses that I've looked all have a boot option in them to boot first to A, C, CDROM, or SCSI. That might help a bit? Just a thought, John >I have no experience with IDE RAID controllers, but I believe you are normally >stuck booting from an IDE drive if you have a system with mixed IDE ? SCSI >drives. >However, I know you said the BIOS seems to see the IDE RAID controller as >a SCSI >device (which I found surprising). Anyway, just a thought. > >Aram > > > At 10:28 AM 8/9/00 -0600, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > > ?On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 12:00:44 -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > ? ? At 10:00 AM 8/9/00 -0600, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > > ? ? ?On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 11:16:51 -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > ? ? ? ? > > ? ? ? ? I have an Adaptec 2940 and a 3ware IDE raid card. I have been > booting > > ? ? ? from > > ? ? ? ? the Adaptec, but when I put the 3ware card in, the drive insists on > > ? ? ? booting > > ? ? ? ? from the 3ware. Apart from making a boot floppy disk, is there any > > ? way to > > ? ? ? ? force the drive to boot from the Adaptec ? > > ? ? ? > > ? ? ?You can try swapping the slots they are in. > > ? ? > > ? ? Thanks, > > ? ? I tried that as well as assigning different IRQs (one > higher than > > ? ? the other), and still no dice. Someone else told me its based on > the PROM > > ? ? address :-( > > ? > > ?Well, the only other thing I can think of would be to disable the BIOS on > > ?the RAID controller. > > > > Sadly not an option on the 3ware card :-( I have a call into their support > > to see if there is some undocumented way to do it. I will post the results > > here when I hear back from them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 12:12:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from vinyl.sentex.ca (vinyl.sentex.ca [209.112.4.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F0B37B6D9; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:12:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite-atm.sentex.ca [209.112.4.1]) by vinyl.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA44730; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:12:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA27646; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809150709.0298fcd0@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:08:16 -0400 To: John , "Aram Compeau" From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: forcing which SCSI device to boot from Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000809140716.00aced70@mail.udel.edu> References: <39919B81.8381BE5D@tibco.com> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809115949.0296a970@marble.sentex.ca> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> <20000809100054.A93412@panzer.kdm.org> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809115949.0296a970@marble.sentex.ca> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809124737.02c3f100@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:09 PM 8/9/00 -0400, John wrote: >Perhaps have you tried the simple solution of setting your computer's bios >to boot to SCSI? The few 'modern' bioses that I've looked all have a boot >option in them to boot first to A, C, CDROM, or SCSI. That might help a bit? Yes, the BIOS is like this... The problem is that the IDE RAID controller is seen as a SCSI device... i.e. I need in my BIOS something like, A,C, CDROM, SCSI-adaptor-1, SCSI-adaptor-2 ---Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications mike@sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 12:33:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.milw.twtelecom.net (ins1.milw.twtelecom.net [216.136.95.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5A137B668 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:33:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@inc.net) Received: from inc.net (niki.pwke.twtelecom.net [207.250.66.46]) by mail.milw.twtelecom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558CA3300B for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:33:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3991B185.77CF2173@inc.net> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:31:17 -0500 From: Steve Kaczkowski Organization: Time Warner Telecom - IDD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Who makes FBSD friendly rackmount systems? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey all, I'm coming to a point where building machines from parts is fast becoming something no longer desirable and an looking for alternatives. I'm trying to find a manufacturer that builds entire system that are FreeBSD friendly and thus far just haven't had any luck. Here's the specs I'm looking for: 19" Rackmount Dual hot swap power (2 power plugs if possible) PIII 800+ 1GB or more of ram Disks aren't soo important since external raid will be used U2/U160 SCSI onboard or able to take full height PCI card Nothing real strange or anything so that's why I find it soo weird. I know there are vendors like Compaq,Dell,etc,etc but from reading I've come to find that systems like this are a little too proprietary in some aspects and don't run soo well unless you're running NT (especially Compaq)... So I'd appreciate any pointers you guys can give.. Thanks in advance! -- Steve Kaczkowski Time Warner Telecom IDD steve@inc.net (414)908-9012 http://www.inc.net (603)737-9209 Fax To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 12:43:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fpsn.net (mail.fpsn.net [63.224.69.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A6637BAD9 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:43:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from sharky (adsl-151-202-97-90.bellatlantic.net [151.202.97.90]) by mail.fpsn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA68231 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:35:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Message-Id: <200008100335.VAA68231@mail.fpsn.net> From: "Simon" To: "hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:46:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <3991B185.77CF2173@inc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Who makes FBSD friendly rackmount systems? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We're interested as well - especially in a company that provides some guarantee as far as stability goes under heavy loads. They obviously have to know exactly what they are doing and stress-test all of their servers. Not sure if this is too much too ask, but you never know. -Simon On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:31:17 -0500, Steve Kaczkowski wrote: >Hey all, > >I'm coming to a point where building machines from parts is fast >becoming >something no longer desirable and an looking for alternatives. I'm >trying >to find a manufacturer that builds entire system that are FreeBSD >friendly >and thus far just haven't had any luck. > >Here's the specs I'm looking for: > >19" Rackmount >Dual hot swap power (2 power plugs if possible) >PIII 800+ >1GB or more of ram >Disks aren't soo important since external raid will be used >U2/U160 SCSI onboard or able to take full height PCI card > > >Nothing real strange or anything so that's why I find it soo weird. I >know >there are vendors like Compaq,Dell,etc,etc but from reading I've come to >find >that systems like this are a little too proprietary in some aspects and >don't run soo well unless you're running NT (especially Compaq)... > >So I'd appreciate any pointers you guys can give.. > >Thanks in advance! > > > >-- >Steve Kaczkowski Time Warner Telecom IDD >steve@inc.net (414)908-9012 >http://www.inc.net (603)737-9209 Fax > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 13: 1:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from adler.grauel.com (adler.grauel.com [199.233.104.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCC337C054 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:01:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jjr@adler.grauel.com) Received: (from jjr@localhost) by adler.grauel.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15664; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:03:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jjr) From: "John J. Rieser" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14737.47355.166694.97289@adler.grauel.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:03:07 -0500 (EST) To: "Simon" Cc: "hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Who makes FBSD friendly rackmount systems? In-Reply-To: <200008100335.VAA68231@mail.fpsn.net> References: <3991B185.77CF2173@inc.net> <200008100335.VAA68231@mail.fpsn.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 (patch 7) "Biscayne" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings!, I was just perusing the BSDcon flyer and ran across a section that stated BSDi supported rack mounts, etc. Www.bsdi.com, I believe, may have a configuration. And before you ask, no, I don't have any experience with them. Just happened to be reading mail & e-mail ;-) Simon writes: > We're interested as well - especially in a company that provides some guarantee as far as stability goes under heavy > loads. They obviously have to know exactly what they are doing and stress-test all of their servers. Not sure if this is too > much too ask, but you never know. > > -Simon Hope this at least gives you a place to start! John J. Rieser jjr@grauel.com PO Box 6249 Tel: (765)477-6000 \ 100 Sawmill Road x327 Lafayette, IN 47903 (800)489-4891 / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 13:11:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from TK147108.tuwien.teleweb.at (TK147108.tuwien.teleweb.at [195.34.147.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4AD837B5DD for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:11:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from satyr@TK147108.tuwien.teleweb.at) Received: from satyr by TK147108.tuwien.teleweb.at with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13McUU-0003Ig-00; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:30:18 +0200 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:30:18 +0200 From: "Marinos J . Yannikos" To: Steve Kaczkowski Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who makes FBSD friendly rackmount systems? Message-ID: <20000809223018.X26915@TK147108.telekabel.at> Reply-To: mjy@geizhals.at References: <3991B185.77CF2173@inc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <3991B185.77CF2173@inc.net>; from Steve Kaczkowski on Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 02:31:17PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 02:31:17PM -0500, Steve Kaczkowski wrote: > 19" Rackmount > Dual hot swap power (2 power plugs if possible) > PIII 800+ > 1GB or more of ram > Disks aren't soo important since external raid will be used > U2/U160 SCSI onboard or able to take full height PCI card We have just ordered a similar configuration (19" 5U, hot swap power supplies, 1GB ECC RAM, 1 x P3-800 (dual capable), internal RAID-0,1) from www.tesys.com (hardware.bsdi.com) and are awaiting shipment on August 18th - I'll post my experience to the list, if you are interested. So far, they seem to be very competent and quick to respond to every desire. Regards, -mjy -- ***==> Marinos J. Yannikos ***==> http://pobox.com/~mjy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 13:46: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D7137BBE3 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:45:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10178; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008092030.NAA10178@implode.root.com> To: Steve Kaczkowski Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who makes FBSD friendly rackmount systems? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:31:17 CDT." <3991B185.77CF2173@inc.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:30:29 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I'm coming to a point where building machines from parts is fast >becoming >something no longer desirable and an looking for alternatives. I'm >trying >to find a manufacturer that builds entire system that are FreeBSD >friendly >and thus far just haven't had any luck. > >Here's the specs I'm looking for: > >19" Rackmount >Dual hot swap power (2 power plugs if possible) >PIII 800+ >1GB or more of ram >Disks aren't soo important since external raid will be used >U2/U160 SCSI onboard or able to take full height PCI card > > >Nothing real strange or anything so that's why I find it soo weird. I >know >there are vendors like Compaq,Dell,etc,etc but from reading I've come to >find >that systems like this are a little too proprietary in some aspects and >don't run soo well unless you're running NT (especially Compaq)... > >So I'd appreciate any pointers you guys can give.. My company, TeraSolutions, manufactures FreeBSD servers and RAID storage systems. http://www.terasolutions.com. The servers come with FreeBSD installed and tuned for high traffic applications. We typically do at least three days of burn-in testing and have a 3 year parts & labor warranty. Contact me for a quote. -DG David Greenman Co-founder, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Manufacturer of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 15:16:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from hand.dotat.at (sfo-gw.covalent.net [207.44.198.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1260437BE05; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:16:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fanf@dotat.at) Received: from fanf by hand.dotat.at with local (Exim 3.15 #3) id 13Me89-00044F-00; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 22:15:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:15:21 +0000 From: Tony Finch To: Mike Tancsa Cc: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: forcing which SCSI device to boot from Message-ID: <20000809221521.D468@hand.dotat.at> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> Organization: Covalent Technologies, Inc Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Tancsa wrote: > >I have an Adaptec 2940 and a 3ware IDE raid card. I have been booting >from the Adaptec, but when I put the 3ware card in, the drive insists >on booting from the 3ware. Apart from making a boot floppy disk, is >there any way to force the drive to boot from the Adaptec ? When we had this problem we just overwrote the boot blocks on the 3ware. Invalid boot blocks -> no boot. Tony. -- en oeccget g mtcaa f.a.n.finch v spdlkishrhtewe y dot@dotat.at eatp o v eiti i d. fanf@covalent.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 18: 1:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (mass.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E63737BF93 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:01:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02412; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:13:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200008100113.SAA02412@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Jin Guojun (DSD staff) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is 5-year old Mylex DAC960 too old? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 09 Aug 2000 09:05:05 PDT." <200008091605.e79G55c11285@portnoy.lbl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:13:12 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Both boards act the same way; one was opened a few years ago, and I opened > the other one yesterday for comparsion. There is no RAM in the memory slot. The cards will not work without RAM. Find some suitable RAM and try again. 8) -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 19:22: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from cage.simianscience.com (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E9A37BC5A; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:21:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from chimp (chimp [192.168.0.2]) by cage.simianscience.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13677; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:21:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000809221502.047996d8@mail.sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@mail.sentex.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 22:16:07 -0400 To: Tony Finch From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: forcing which SCSI device to boot from Cc: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20000809221521.D468@hand.dotat.at> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:15 PM 8/9/2000 +0000, Tony Finch wrote: >Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > >I have an Adaptec 2940 and a 3ware IDE raid card. I have been booting > >from the Adaptec, but when I put the 3ware card in, the drive insists > >on booting from the 3ware. Apart from making a boot floppy disk, is > >there any way to force the drive to boot from the Adaptec ? > >When we had this problem we just overwrote the boot blocks on the 3ware. >Invalid boot blocks -> no boot. Hi, What if you rebuild the array, or the array dies ? Also, how do you set the boot blocks to no boot ? Thanks, ---Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Network Administration, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 20:32:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from alcanet.com.au (mail.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0FAD037BB49 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 20:32:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <115211>; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:31:39 +1000 Content-return: prohibited Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:31:35 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: Finding programmers manuals for NICs In-reply-to: <200008091756.KAA09600@implode.root.com>; from dg@root.com on Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 10:56:37AM -0700 To: David Greenman Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-followup-to: David Greenman , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <00Aug10.133139est.115211@border.alcanet.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i References: <20000809091337.A93108@panzer.kdm.org> <200008091756.KAA09600@implode.root.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2000-Aug-09 10:56:37 -0700, David Greenman wrote: > Nope. I have the manual for the 82557, which doesn't not have support for >flow control. I can't get the manual for the 82559 without signing an NDA. Actually, I was interested in the "Long Receive OK" bit. Does this exist in the 82557? (I can't quickly find the 82557 Users Manual on the Intel site either). Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 9 21:38: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from hand.dotat.at (sfo-gw.covalent.net [207.44.198.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D6937B606; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:37:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fanf@dotat.at) Received: from fanf by hand.dotat.at with local (Exim 3.15 #3) id 13Mk6N-00029O-00; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:37:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:37:55 +0000 From: Tony Finch To: Mike Tancsa Cc: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: forcing which SCSI device to boot from Message-ID: <20000810043754.E468@hand.dotat.at> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> <4.3.2.7.0.20000809111509.05e3b600@marble.sentex.ca> <20000809221521.D468@hand.dotat.at> <4.2.2.20000809221502.047996d8@mail.sentex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000809221502.047996d8@mail.sentex.net> Organization: Covalent Technologies, Inc Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Tancsa wrote: >At 10:15 PM 8/9/2000 +0000, Tony Finch wrote: >>Mike Tancsa wrote: >> > >> >I have an Adaptec 2940 and a 3ware IDE raid card. I have been booting >> >from the Adaptec, but when I put the 3ware card in, the drive insists >> >on booting from the 3ware. Apart from making a boot floppy disk, is >> >there any way to force the drive to boot from the Adaptec ? >> >>When we had this problem we just overwrote the boot blocks on the 3ware. >>Invalid boot blocks -> no boot. > >What if you rebuild the array, or the array dies ? Also, how do you set >the boot blocks to no boot ? Actually, I think my colleague overwrote the boot blocks by rebuilding the array :-) The machine came with Red Hat installed and we wanted FreeBSD on it so this wasn't a drastic action. You could also dd a few blocks of /dev/zero to achieve the same effect. Tony. -- en oeccget g mtcaa f.a.n.finch v spdlkishrhtewe y dot@dotat.at eatp o v eiti i d. fanf@covalent.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 2:49:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB2E37BB01 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 02:49:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from n_hibma@qubesoft.com) Received: from calcaphon.demon.co.uk ([193.237.19.5] helo=bluebottle.qubesoft.com) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13MoyE-000GYI-0A for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:49:50 +0000 Received: from henny.webweaving.org (henny.qubesoft.com [192.168.1.5]) by bluebottle.qubesoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA76668; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:48:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from n_hibma@qubesoft.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by henny.webweaving.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05034; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:26:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from n_hibma@qubesoft.com) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:26:24 +0100 (BST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@henny.webweaving.org Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: Alex Povolotsky Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ORBs In-Reply-To: <20000801211316.B51726@mail.over.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As far as I know it works, but I can't find the message that says so. I believe that the adapter is a Multitech one (which is supported) So, if you are buying a new one, make sure you can return it (or even try it in shop: 'kldload umass' and plug it in). Let me know if you buy it and it works! Nick. > Hello! > > I'm looking at Castlewood's ORB drive, with SCSI and USB-to-SCSI adapter. > > Did anyone try to attach it to FreeBSD box? > > Alex. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > -- Qube Software, Ltd. Private: n_hibma@qubesoft.com n_hibma@webweaving.org n_hibma@freebsd.org http://www.qubesoft.com/ http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 8:56:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755FE37B533 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:56:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA08431; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:48:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200008101548.LAA08431@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "FreeBSD Hardware List" , "Michael VanLoon" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:57:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: <8070C3A4E99ED211A63200105A19B99B317745@mail.edifecs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:52:52 -0700, Michael VanLoon wrote: >IMHO, Maxtor are not very good drives. What is wrong with them? I never thought much of them until I read some recommendations from Storage review. > IBM is about the best EIDE drives I've used recently. FWIW... I am a big IBM fan, but they are not making anything less than ATA100. Can those work on with a ATA66 motherboards? I thought the cables are different. francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 9: 3: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1E837B649 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:02:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA08468; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:54:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200008101554.LAA08468@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Steve Kaczkowski" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:03:52 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: <3991B185.77CF2173@inc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Who makes FBSD friendly rackmount systems? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:31:17 -0500, Steve Kaczkowski wrote: >trying to find a manufacturer that builds entire system that are FreeBSD >friendly and thus far just haven't had any luck. Talk to the folks at BSDI. I have got some quotes from them and plan to probably order a system from them soon. Very helpful folks. I had some quotes with them and right before I decided to order I figure I would do a little research on IDE raid. Call them up and they are checking out compatibility with 3ware controllers to see if they can give me a quote with those instead of external RAID SCSI. francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 9: 4:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from hermes.research.kpn.com (hermes.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2218A37B5E7 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:04:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by research.kpn.com (PMDF V5.2-31 #42699) with ESMTP id <01JSTBGA9W8Q0007AX@research.kpn.com> for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:04:28 +0200 Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:04:28 +0100 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:04:26 +0100 From: "Koster, K.J." Subject: RE: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? To: 'Francisco Reyes' , FreeBSD Hardware List Message-id: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D779A@l04.research.kpn.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > >IMHO, Maxtor are not very good drives. > > What is wrong with them? > I think they're considered the high end of the low end, if that makes any sense. I've got two in my home machine, and they soak up some 27MB/sec if I trust bonnie. Too bad bonnie is the only thing that I use that generates that kind of traffic. :-) > > > IBM is about the best EIDE drives I've used recently. > > FWIW... > > I am a big IBM fan, but they are not making anything less > than ATA100. Can those work on with a ATA66 motherboards? I > thought the cables are different. > From this may I deduce that this is for a home box, not a web server? Maxtor's cheap for what they offer, IMHO. If you are using Ultra/ATA66, you'll need different cables than regular IDE. Dunno about ATA100. Kees Jan ================================================= TV is the worst of both worlds. It's not as good at words as radio is because the pictures are a distraction which demand attention, and it's not as good as cinema because the pictures are not nearly as good. Douglas Adams To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 9:14:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from crow.whiteworks.com (crow.whiteworks.com [204.227.161.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E7637B658 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:14:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@tictactoe.com) Received: from delorian (unverified [204.227.166.93]) by crow.whiteworks.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.7) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:14:27 -0700 From: "Time" To: Subject: RE: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:15:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <200008101548.LAA08431@sanson.reyes.somos.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org excerpt from Quantum's Web Site: Older Ultra ATA/33 or ATA/66 drives can be easily connected to the ATA/100 interface without modifying existing software or components. The interface will automatically step down to their operating level when transferring data between the host and these older drives. New ATA/100 drives can be purchased and used both in newer ATA/100 systems (that will take advantage of the next generation devices via the higher-speed interface) and in older ATA systems. In these cases, the new Ultra ATA/100 drives will transfer data to and from the host at the host’s slower speed. An Ultra ATA/100 adapter card solution can be installed in PCs with older ATA chip sets to step up to ATA/100 with newer, Ultra ATA/100 drives. The 80-conductor, 40-pin cable standard in ATA/66 has enhanced reliability and been carried forward to ATA/100. The cable's 40 ground lines virtually eliminate cross talk and protect against electromagnetic noise interference while maintaining the standard 40-pin connector. Inside each connector, the 40 additional ground lines are tied together and are connected to the existing ground pins from the 40-pin connector. This ensures complete plug compatibility with existing drives and systems. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Francisco Reyes Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 8:58 AM To: FreeBSD Hardware List; Michael VanLoon Subject: RE: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? >I am a big IBM fan, but they are not making anything less than >ATA100. >Can those work on with a ATA66 motherboards? I thought the >cables are different. >francisco >Moderator of the Corporate BSD list >http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate --Dan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 9:17:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26B337B658 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:17:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA08534; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:09:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200008101609.MAA08534@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "FreeBSD Hardware List" , "Koster, K.J." Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:18:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D779A@l04.research.kpn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:04:26 +0100, Koster, K.J. wrote: >> >> >IMHO, Maxtor are not very good drives. >> >> What is wrong with them? >> >I've got two in my home machine, and they soak up some 27MB/sec if I >trust bonnie. Too bad bonnie is the only thing that I use that generates >that kind of traffic. :-) I am planning to put them on a 3Ware RAID 0 so I hopefully will be able to see good throughput. >From this may I deduce that this is for a home box, not a web server? What is the obsession with web servers on the FreeBSD lists? :-) There is a whole (corporate) world outside of web related stuff. No this is not for home and it is not for a web server. This is for a "temporary storage" box at work. Basically people put trash on all our Netware/NT servers so I am going to create this 120GB box and tell people that this is the only place they can put junk. I may also use it for staging of some backups and to store a library of software. >Maxtor's cheap for what they offer, IMHO. Yes. I am getting two 40Gig to put on a raid 1 and 2 60GB for a raid 0. >If you are using Ultra/ATA66, you'll need different cables than regular IDE. Yes I am ordering them. I don't know if we have any at the office. francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 9:28:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from hermes.research.kpn.com (hermes.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC6437B655 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:28:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by research.kpn.com (PMDF V5.2-31 #42699) with ESMTP id <01JSTCB91NT40007W6@research.kpn.com> for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:28:39 +0200 Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:28:39 +0100 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:28:38 +0100 From: "Koster, K.J." Subject: RE: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? To: 'Francisco Reyes' , FreeBSD Hardware List Message-id: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D779C@l04.research.kpn.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I am planning to put them on a 3Ware RAID 0 so I hopefully > will be able to see good throughput. > I realize that setting up a stripset properly is tricky, and I may well have made a serious error, so I am open to "pilot error" responses. I found that if I ccd'd the two Maxtors I have their combined throughput dropped to about 15MB/sec. That is with each drive being the only thing on an IDE controller on my motherboard (my cdrom is SCSI). I wasn't expecting to see much improvement over 27MB/s, but I was not expecting a drop. Pilot error? Expected behaviour? I don't know. I'm happy without ccd, to be frank. It served it's purpose well when I was using old, slow SCSI disks. I hope you have better luck with 3Ware, but I'd check to make sure. Kees Jan ================================================= TV is the worst of both worlds. It's not as good at words as radio is because the pictures are a distraction which demand attention, and it's not as good as cinema because the pictures are not nearly as good. Douglas Adams To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 9:32:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7402C37B572 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:32:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA08614; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:24:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200008101624.MAA08614@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Time" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:33:51 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:15:54 -0700, Time wrote: >excerpt from Quantum's Web Site: >Older Ultra ATA/33 or ATA/66 drives can be easily connected to the ATA/100 >interface without modifying existing software or components. >the new Ultra ATA/100 drives will transfer data to and from >the host at the host s slower speed. Thanks for the info. I am going to re-look at the IBM drives then. I have not placed the order for the Maxtor ones yet, although I may keep the Maxtor due to price difference. I think that the IBM drive on the 40GB range is about the same cost as the 60GB from Maxtor in which case I would keep the Maxtor. francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 9:58:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C6037B7C5 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:56:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA08728; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:47:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200008101647.MAA08728@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "FreeBSD Hardware List" , "Koster, K.J." Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:57:30 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D779C@l04.research.kpn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:28:38 +0100, Koster, K.J. wrote: >I found that if I ccd'd the two Maxtors I have their combined throughput >dropped to about 15MB/sec. That is with each drive being the only thing on >an IDE controller on my motherboard (my cdrom is SCSI). That sounds like there must have been a problem somewhere. I think those drives individually are able to do more than 15MB/sec. >I hope you have better luck with 3Ware, but I'd check to make sure. I will report my findings. francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 10:25:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.milw.twtelecom.net (ins1.milw.twtelecom.net [216.136.95.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF0D37B7A5 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:25:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@inc.net) Received: from inc.net (niki.pwke.twtelecom.net [207.250.66.46]) by mail.milw.twtelecom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4803301E for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:25:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3992E521.59A08301@inc.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:23:45 -0500 From: Steve Kaczkowski Organization: Time Warner Telecom - IDD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Who makes FBSD friendly rackmount systems? References: <200008101554.LAA08468@sanson.reyes.somos.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Francisco Reyes wrote: > > On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:31:17 -0500, Steve Kaczkowski wrote: > > >trying to find a manufacturer that builds entire system that are FreeBSD > >friendly and thus far just haven't had any luck. > > Talk to the folks at BSDI. I have got some quotes from them and > plan to probably order a system from them soon. Very helpful > folks. > Thanks for all the pointers everyone! I've got some research to do now! :) -- Steve Kaczkowski Time Warner Telecom IDD steve@inc.net (414)908-9012 http://www.inc.net (603)737-9209 Fax To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 10:48:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550F237B9D9 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:48:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12557; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008101733.KAA12557@implode.root.com> To: Peter Jeremy Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Finding programmers manuals for NICs In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:31:35 +1000." <00Aug10.133139est.115211@border.alcanet.com.au> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:33:05 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >On 2000-Aug-09 10:56:37 -0700, David Greenman wrote: >> Nope. I have the manual for the 82557, which doesn't not have support for >>flow control. I can't get the manual for the 82559 without signing an NDA. > >Actually, I was interested in the "Long Receive OK" bit. Does this >exist in the 82557? (I can't quickly find the 82557 Users Manual on >the Intel site either). Right, it was Ken that was after the flow control bits. There isn't a "long receive okay" bit in the 82557, but you might be able to get large frames if you set "save_bf" to 1. This will let all 'bad' frames through, however, not just those that are too large. -DG David Greenman Co-founder, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Manufacturer of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 13:21:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from vinyl.sentex.ca (vinyl.sentex.ca [209.112.4.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E7837BD6F; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:21:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite-atm.sentex.ca [209.112.4.1]) by vinyl.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA76878; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:21:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA04171; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000810160701.0310bf00@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:17:19 -0400 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Tancsa Subject: 3ware and RAID0 vs RAID 1 Cc: msmith@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have been using the 3ware cards in RAID0 with great results. However, I just got a 5200 to use in a RAID 1 application. I was expecting a little less performance, but I was quite suprised to find that writing speeds were brutal. For example, to newfs a 2 drive array (2 quantum 13gig drives), it took 35 min. In RAID0, it flys as expected, and the array is quite speedy. Is writing speed really this bad (half of the speed of the same IDE drive by iteself) ? Or is it pilot error ? Bad hardware ? ---Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications mike@sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 13:39:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from www1.asacomputers.com (gw2-net192.asacomputers.com [204.153.176.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A9337B616 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:39:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kedar@asacomputers.com) Received: from kedar (kedar.asacomputers.com [204.153.176.86]) by www1.asacomputers.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e7AKxLL15779; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000810133512.058a2dd0@asacomputers.com> X-Sender: rajadnya@asacomputers.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:36:43 -0700 To: Steve Kaczkowski , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Kedar Rajadnya Subject: Re: Who makes FBSD friendly rackmount systems? In-Reply-To: <3991B185.77CF2173@inc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, We ,too, provide custom-configured rackmount systems for FreeBSD. Please contact us if you have any questions. Kedar. Take care, Kedar Rajadnya, . ASA Computers, Inc. 2354 Calle Del Mundo. Santa Clara, CA 95054. Tel: (408)654-2901 ext201 Cell: (408)799-7263 Toll Free: (877)538-1272 Fax: (408)654-2910 ************************************************************ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 14:10:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (mass.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927C337BADF for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:10:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01408; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:21:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200008102121.OAA01408@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Mike Tancsa Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3ware and RAID0 vs RAID 1 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:17:19 EDT." <4.3.2.7.0.20000810160701.0310bf00@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:21:40 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Newfs isn't a representative case with these cards, as newfs doesn't align the data it writes and the driver has to copy the data around (expensive). The array itself should still perform pretty well (read speeds should be pretty good especially). > Hi, > I have been using the 3ware cards in RAID0 with great results. However, I > just got a 5200 to use in a RAID 1 application. I was expecting a little > less performance, but I was quite suprised to find that writing speeds were > brutal. For example, to newfs a 2 drive array (2 quantum 13gig drives), it > took 35 min. In RAID0, it flys as expected, and the array is quite > speedy. Is writing speed really this bad (half of the speed of the same > IDE drive by iteself) ? Or is it pilot error ? Bad hardware ? > > ---Mike > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 > Sentex Communications mike@sentex.net > Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net > > -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 14:20:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from vinyl.sentex.ca (vinyl.sentex.ca [209.112.4.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C0D37B6BA; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:20:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite-atm.sentex.ca [209.112.4.1]) by vinyl.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA88520; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:20:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA24957; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000810171454.04748db0@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:16:38 -0400 To: Mike Smith From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: 3ware and RAID0 vs RAID 1 Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200008102121.OAA01408@mass.osd.bsdi.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:21 PM 8/10/00 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >Newfs isn't a representative case with these cards, as newfs doesn't >align the data it writes and the driver has to copy the data around >(expensive). The array itself should still perform pretty well (read >speeds should be pretty good especially). Actually, on a 128M system, it died while doing a 500M bonnie write.. i.e. it just hung there. I will test some more tomorrow when back at the office and provide more info. Aug 10 16:16:46 smtp4 /kernel: twed0: <3ware RAID unit> on twe0 Aug 10 16:16:46 smtp4 /kernel: twed0: 14323MB (29334784 sectors) ---Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications mike@sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 14:26:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.shianet.org (alpha.shianet.org [216.40.132.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4189D37BC92 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:26:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wrath@shianet.org) Received: from wrath01 (port17.owosso09.tir.com [216.40.132.210]) by alpha.shianet.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA26397 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007801c00311$a3394260$c8026b83@wrath01> From: "Brian" To: Subject: supermicro p6dbe Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:26:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've got a SuperMicro P6DBE. I'm looking at what brands of RAM the machine will take. We're primarily a PNY shop and that's mostly what I've got. I've tried every brand of ram we've got under the roof to no avail. Every kind I've got hangs during POST, or just after. I found the suggested ram list (via the freebsd archive) on supermicro's site, but it doesn't do me a lot of good when I don't have the sticks in my hand to look at the chip part numbers. I'm looking for someone that's got a similar board to tell me which manufacturer is the best or whether I should give up and use the board for a doormat. Thanks Brian St.John brian@wrath.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 14:27:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (mass.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18FC237BC63 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:27:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01627; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:38:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200008102138.OAA01627@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Mike Tancsa Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3ware and RAID0 vs RAID 1 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:16:38 EDT." <4.3.2.7.0.20000810171454.04748db0@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:38:55 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > >Newfs isn't a representative case with these cards, as newfs doesn't > >align the data it writes and the driver has to copy the data around > >(expensive). The array itself should still perform pretty well (read > >speeds should be pretty good especially). > > Actually, on a 128M system, it died while doing a 500M bonnie write.. i.e. > it just hung there. I will test some more tomorrow when back at the office > and provide more info. > > Aug 10 16:16:46 smtp4 /kernel: twed0: <3ware RAID unit> on twe0 > Aug 10 16:16:46 smtp4 /kernel: twed0: 14323MB (29334784 sectors) Ok, thanks. It *definitely* shouldn't "just hang" at all. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 14:29:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fpsn.net (mail.fpsn.net [63.224.69.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1E237BB14 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:29:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from sharky (adsl-151-202-97-90.bellatlantic.net [151.202.97.90]) by mail.fpsn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA77457; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:36:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Message-Id: <200008110536.XAA77457@mail.fpsn.net> From: "Simon" To: "Brian" , "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:32:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <007801c00311$a3394260$c8026b83@wrath01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: supermicro p6dbe Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org crucial.com best RAM for your buck! -Simon On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:26:12 -0400, Brian wrote: >I've got a SuperMicro P6DBE. I'm looking at what brands of RAM the machine >will take. We're primarily a PNY shop and that's mostly what I've got. >I've tried every brand of ram we've got under the roof to no avail. Every >kind I've got hangs during POST, or just after. > >I found the suggested ram list (via the freebsd archive) on supermicro's >site, but it doesn't do me a lot of good when I don't have the sticks in my >hand to look at the chip part numbers. > >I'm looking for someone that's got a similar board to tell me which >manufacturer is the best or whether I should give up and use the board for a >doormat. > >Thanks >Brian St.John >brian@wrath.com > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 15: 0:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from www1.asacomputers.com (gw2-net192.asacomputers.com [204.153.176.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C67B637BA8B for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:00:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kedar@asacomputers.com) Received: from kedar (kedar.asacomputers.com [204.153.176.86]) by www1.asacomputers.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e7AMKsL16745; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000810145643.00c0abd0@asacomputers.com> X-Sender: rajadnya@asacomputers.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:57:52 -0700 To: "Brian" , From: Kedar Rajadnya Subject: Re: supermicro p6dbe In-Reply-To: <007801c00311$a3394260$c8026b83@wrath01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We've used Corsair-micro and Kingston ECC unbuffered SDRAM to good effect. Kedar. At 05:26 PM 8/10/00 -0400, Brian wrote: >I've got a SuperMicro P6DBE. I'm looking at what brands of RAM the machine >will take. We're primarily a PNY shop and that's mostly what I've got. >I've tried every brand of ram we've got under the roof to no avail. Every >kind I've got hangs during POST, or just after. > >I found the suggested ram list (via the freebsd archive) on supermicro's >site, but it doesn't do me a lot of good when I don't have the sticks in my >hand to look at the chip part numbers. > >I'm looking for someone that's got a similar board to tell me which >manufacturer is the best or whether I should give up and use the board for a >doormat. > >Thanks >Brian St.John >brian@wrath.com > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message Take care, Kedar Rajadnya, . ASA Computers, Inc. 2354 Calle Del Mundo. Santa Clara, CA 95054. Tel: (408)654-2901 ext201 Cell: (408)799-7263 Toll Free: (877)538-1272 Fax: (408)654-2910 ************************************************************ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 22:30:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF47337BBD8 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:30:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA10561; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:21:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200008110521.BAA10561@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Michael VanLoon" Cc: "FreeBSD Hardware List" Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:31:28 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: <8070C3A4E99ED211A63200105A19B99B31774A@mail.edifecs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:28:03 -0700, Michael VanLoon wrote: >An ATA100 drive will run just fine on an ATA66 motherboard. yes someone else pointed this out. >Why would you think otherwise? Plain ignorance. :-) .. and the fact I read about needing differnt cables.. >This is the way it has worked ever since they started >improving the IDE interface I used to try and wait until I had enough $$ to go with SCSI for my home systems. It wasn't until this year that I have had a chance to use FreeBSD at work. >Pretty soon all ATA drives will be ATA100, that means people with older >machines will never be able to use them? I think not... :-) ..but they will not be able to take advantage to their full potentail.. although they could buy PCI IDE controllers. francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 0:26:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A740737BA03 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:26:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA11000; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 03:17:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200008110717.DAA11000@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Michael VanLoon" Cc: "FreeBSD Hardware List" Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 03:27:12 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: <8070C3A4E99ED211A63200105A19B99B31774F@mail.edifecs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:14:42 -0700, Michael VanLoon wrote: >Actually, from what I understand, the cables from ATA33 and lower are >different from the ATA66 cable, and the ATA66 cable is also used by ATA100. >I'm not an expert on this, however. I got a good reply yesterday that explained this. ATA66 drives need different cables from ATA33 to work on ATA66 ATA100 drives need yet different cables from ATA33 and ATA66 ATA100 drives will work with ATA66 cables, but will downgrade to ATA66 speeds. Don't really know about ATA33 cables, but I think they have a different number of pins. francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 0:40:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.rdc2.pa.home.com (mail2.rdc2.pa.home.com [24.12.106.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEB237BF5F for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:40:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garycor@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.3.185.85]) by mail2.rdc2.pa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000811074011.VJQU10086.mail2.rdc2.pa.home.com@home.com>; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:40:11 -0700 Message-ID: <3993AD38.29D3B47B@home.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 03:37:28 -0400 From: "Gary T. Corcoran" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Francisco Reyes Cc: Michael VanLoon , FreeBSD Hardware List Subject: Re: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? References: <200008110717.DAA11000@sanson.reyes.somos.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Francisco Reyes wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:14:42 -0700, Michael VanLoon wrote: > > >Actually, from what I understand, the cables from ATA33 and lower are > >different from the ATA66 cable, and the ATA66 cable is also used by ATA100. > >I'm not an expert on this, however. > > I got a good reply yesterday that explained this. > ATA66 drives need different cables from ATA33 to work on ATA66 True. > ATA100 drives need yet different cables from ATA33 and ATA66 > > ATA100 drives will work with ATA66 cables, but will downgrade to > ATA66 speeds. I don't think so. My understanding is that ATA100 uses the *same* cables as ATA66 - they were just able to squeeze another 33MHz of performance out of them. In other words, Michael VanLoon was correct. It's only if you use an ATA66 *controller* that the ATA100 drives will downgrade to ATA66 speeds, transparently. > Don't really know about ATA33 cables, but I think they have a > different number of pins. No, same number of pins. It's just that the ATA66/100 cables have 40 ground wires, a total of 80 *wires* in the cable, connected to the same 40 pin connectors, versus the 40 wires connected to 40 pins in the ATA33 cables... Gary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 0:59:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8179A37BF57 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:59:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA11086; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 03:51:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200008110751.DAA11086@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Gary T. Corcoran" Cc: "FreeBSD Hardware List" , "Michael VanLoon" Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:00:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: <3993AD38.29D3B47B@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 03:37:28 -0400, Gary T. Corcoran wrote: >I don't think so. My understanding is that ATA100 uses the *same* >cables as ATA66 - they were just able to squeeze another 33MHz of >performance out of them. No. From http://www.ixbt-labs.com/storage/ata-100.html Having weighed all pro and contra, Quantum developed a new ATA/100 interface with additional speed, which allows transferring the data at 100MB/sec along the host-to-drive bus and hence to unload the HDD buffer memory. This new interface incorporates all the innovations made to the cables and connectors supporting ATA/66. Just to remind you let us say once again that ATA/100 interface requires the same good old 40-pin IDE cable used in ATA/66. However, since the burst transfer rates have become considerably higher, better protection against crosstalk and electromagnetic noise interference turned out necessary. For this particular purpose 40 additional ground lines were tied together and acted as shields between the lines that actually carried live signals back and forth. So, altogether the new ATA/100 cable is composed of 80 conductors. However, the developers wanted to retain the conventional 40-pin connector, so that to ensure plug compatibility with existing drives and systems. francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 1:55:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.rdc2.pa.home.com (mail1.rdc2.pa.home.com [24.12.106.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B071437BFCB for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:55:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garycor@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.3.185.85]) by mail1.rdc2.pa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000811085546.DIHU1767.mail1.rdc2.pa.home.com@home.com>; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:55:46 -0700 Message-ID: <3993BEED.B80644A@home.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:53:01 -0400 From: "Gary T. Corcoran" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Francisco Reyes Cc: FreeBSD Hardware List , Michael VanLoon Subject: Re: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? References: <200008110751.DAA11086@sanson.reyes.somos.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Francisco Reyes wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 03:37:28 -0400, Gary T. Corcoran wrote: > > >I don't think so. My understanding is that ATA100 uses the *same* > >cables as ATA66 - they were just able to squeeze another 33MHz of > >performance out of them. > > No. > >From http://www.ixbt-labs.com/storage/ata-100.html > > Having weighed all pro and contra, Quantum developed > a new ATA/100 interface with additional speed, which > allows transferring the data at 100MB/sec along the > host-to-drive bus and hence to unload the HDD buffer > memory. This new interface incorporates all the > innovations made to the cables and connectors > supporting ATA/66. Just to remind you let us say once > again that ATA/100 interface requires the same good > old 40-pin IDE cable used in ATA/66. However, since the > burst transfer rates have become considerably higher, > better protection against crosstalk and electromagnetic > noise interference turned out necessary. For this > particular purpose 40 additional ground lines were > tied together and acted as shields between the lines > that actually carried live signals back and forth. So, > altogether the new ATA/100 cable is composed of 80 > conductors. However, the developers wanted to retain > the conventional 40-pin connector, so that to ensure > plug compatibility with existing drives and systems. Huh? You seem to be disagreeing with me, yet as I read the above, it seems to agree with what I said: the ATA66 and ATA100 drives use the *same* 80 conductor (40 pin) cables. That is, ATA66 *already* added the extra 40 ground wires to make the cable 80 conductors, and ATA100 uses the same thing. The above is a little misleading, in that they (almost) imply that ATA66 uses the same cables as ATA33, which is NOT true... (I *do* have ATA66 cables, with 80 conductors :) Gary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 6: 0: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3FA37C11D for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 06:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA11796; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:51:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200008111251.IAA11796@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Gary T. Corcoran" Cc: "FreeBSD Hardware List" , "Michael VanLoon" Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:01:04 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: <3993BEED.B80644A@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:53:01 -0400, Gary T. Corcoran wrote: >Huh? You seem to be disagreeing with me, yet as I read the >above, it seems to agree with what I said: the ATA66 and >ATA100 drives use the *same* 80 conductor (40 pin) cables. From what I quoted/read it seems that ATA66 can use a 40 wire cable, but ATA100 needs the 80 wire one. In others, yes one can buy a cable that can work for both, one can also buy a cable that transmits at the ATA66 speed, but not at the ATA100. francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 7:11:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from vinyl.sentex.ca (vinyl.sentex.ca [209.112.4.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656CD37C000; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:11:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite-atm.sentex.ca [209.112.4.1]) by vinyl.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02115; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:11:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA04958; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000811092428.00da32d0@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:07:00 -0400 To: Mike Smith From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: 3ware and RAID0 vs RAID 1 Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200008102138.OAA01627@mass.osd.bsdi.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:38 PM 8/10/00 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > >Newfs isn't a representative case with these cards, as newfs doesn't > > >align the data it writes and the driver has to copy the data around > > >(expensive). The array itself should still perform pretty well (read > > >speeds should be pretty good especially). > > > > Actually, on a 128M system, it died while doing a 500M bonnie write.. i.e. > > it just hung there. I will test some more tomorrow when back at the > office > > and provide more info. > > > > Aug 10 16:16:46 smtp4 /kernel: twed0: <3ware RAID unit> on twe0 > > Aug 10 16:16:46 smtp4 /kernel: twed0: 14323MB (29334784 sectors) > >Ok, thanks. It *definitely* shouldn't "just hang" at all. OK, some more quick testing... I was wrong about the hanging, I just did not wait long enough. running bonnie with 100M (the machine has 128M of RAM, both complete in about 30seconds. Actually, 33 for the 3ware vs 30. Sounds reasonable. (mounts are sync btw) -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU IDE 100 15511 84.5 16221 30.4 17630 33.8 13662 99.9 159587 99.9 17239.3 99.7 RAID1 100 18210 97.4 18148 32.5 19653 36.0 13644 100.0 157095 100.0 17101.5 99.6 But, when I do something over my available RAM, the differences become very apparent. -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU IDE 500 17721 93.8 18197 33.4 8871 21.2 12800 97.5 22265 21.2 153.1 1.9 RAID1 500 14711 81.0 16023 32.0 600 1.4 5805 44.0 6710 6.0 102.2 1.3 Doing a 500MB write on a regular drive on this machine takes about 3min, 30seconds. On the RAID1, it takes 19 min ?? Do you see similar results with your controllers and disks in RAID1 ? ---Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications mike@sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 7:50:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from chiifw01.quakeroats.com (chiifw01.quakeroats.com [207.122.210.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6AA2137BBCB for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:50:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Scott_Thompson@quakeroats.com) Received: from chintmg2.corp.quakeroats.com by chiifw01.quakeroats.com via smtpd (for hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) with SMTP; 11 Aug 2000 14:50:06 UT Received: by chintmg2.corp.quakeroats.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:51:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Thompson, Scott" To: 'Francisco Reyes' , "Gary T. Corcoran" Cc: FreeBSD Hardware List , Michael VanLoon Subject: RE: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:51:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ata66 needs the 80 conductor cable just like ata100. ata33 and slower uses the old 40 conductor cable. the controllers fall back based on cable and drive performance. -----Original Message----- From: Francisco Reyes [mailto:fran@reyes.somos.net] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 8:01 AM To: Gary T. Corcoran Cc: FreeBSD Hardware List; Michael VanLoon Subject: Re: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:53:01 -0400, Gary T. Corcoran wrote: >Huh? You seem to be disagreeing with me, yet as I read the >above, it seems to agree with what I said: the ATA66 and >ATA100 drives use the *same* 80 conductor (40 pin) cables. From what I quoted/read it seems that ATA66 can use a 40 wire cable, but ATA100 needs the 80 wire one. In others, yes one can buy a cable that can work for both, one can also buy a cable that transmits at the ATA66 speed, but not at the ATA100. francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 7:50:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from gw.rv.uran.net.ua (rivne-r0-s0.uran.net.ua [212.111.192.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B0637BF90; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:50:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eugene@ukrwest.net) Received: from pht.ukrwest.net (pht.ukrwest.net [212.111.193.129]) by gw.rv.uran.net.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA69125; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:50:29 +0300 (EEST) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:50:29 +0300 (EEST) From: Eugene Tyukaev X-Sender: eugene@gw.rv.uran.net.ua To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SCSI Iwill Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hola, We have buy Iwill SIDE-2935LVD SCSI controller How can I add this adapter to the kernel config (3.4-R or 4.1-R) or this adapter unsupported? Eugene To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 9:30:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B83837C056 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:30:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA60126; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:29:05 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:29:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Dillon To: Francisco Reyes Cc: "Gary T. Corcoran" , FreeBSD Hardware List , Michael VanLoon Subject: Re: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <200008110751.DAA11086@sanson.reyes.somos.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Francisco Reyes wrote: > On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 03:37:28 -0400, Gary T. Corcoran wrote: > > >I don't think so. My understanding is that ATA100 uses the *same* > >cables as ATA66 - they were just able to squeeze another 33MHz of > >performance out of them. > > No. Yes. The article you showed is incorrect (its amazing where they come up with this crap). The new 80-wire/40-pin cable was introduced with ATA66, not ATA100 as the article states. ATA100 uses the same 80-wire/40-pin cable as ATA66. ATA33 can use the 40-wire/40-pin IDE cables we've been using for many years. The 80-wire/40-pin cables can be used just fine with ATA33 and older drives/interfaces, of course. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and Alpha architectures. ( http://www.freebsd.org ) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 10:25: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from accord.grasslake.net (accord.grasslake.net [206.11.249.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D0537B6E9 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:24:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swb@grasslake.net) Received: from marlowe (Marlowe.campbell-mithun.com [192.159.32.184]) by accord.grasslake.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA02346 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:26:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from swb@grasslake.net) Message-ID: <00d301c003b9$2d425990$b8209fc0@marlowe> From: "Shawn Barnhart" To: "FreeBSD Hardware List" References: Subject: Re: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:25:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can someone explain to me the technical advantages of tying all the ground lines together at the cable connectors ("40 pin compatibility") but breaking them off seperately for the rest of the cable ("80 wire cable")? It strikes me that if you're doing ground isolation to keep noise at bay that tying the grounds together anywhere along the cable run would defeat the purpose. To me this makes no sense, but I'm not an eletrical engineer, either. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 12:58:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.shianet.org (alpha.shianet.org [216.40.132.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159F237B7FA for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:57:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wrath@shianet.org) Received: from wrath01 (port45.owosso04.tir.com [216.40.133.46]) by alpha.shianet.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA11118 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <011a01c003ce$6d48ae80$c8026b83@wrath01> From: "Brian" To: References: <00d301c003b9$2d425990$b8209fc0@marlowe> Subject: Re: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:57:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org All of them run to ground through your board, to the power supply, out the cable, into the receptacle, down the line, through the breaker panel, and down to a ten foot ground rod in the ground. Of course there's dozens of ways of grounding, but more than likely it goes to a ground rod or to the STREET side of your water pipe from the city. It won't do you much good if you're one of those people that cut off the grounding terminal on your power supply cord to fit your pre-1970's receptacle. If you sat there with your ohmmeter you'd probably find that all those wires (40 of them) go to one of the many ground wires on the cable. It's a great idea to use ground shielding to _help_ eliminate crosstalk, but whoever decided to use 24 gauge (I've even seen 30 gauge) wire with even thinner PVC coating (to keep the already giant ribbon from growing to fill your 1U case) should be hung from their toes. until they get a hillbilly electrician on the standards committee, it's going to get worse. next thing you'll know they'll start using solid aluminum wire. Brian St.John brian@wrath.com "the only eighteen year old nerd that doesn't run eunicks at home" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Barnhart" To: "FreeBSD Hardware List" Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 1:25 PM Subject: Re: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? > Can someone explain to me the technical advantages of tying all the > ground lines together at the cable connectors ("40 pin compatibility") > but breaking them off seperately for the rest of the cable ("80 wire > cable")? > > It strikes me that if you're doing ground isolation to keep noise at bay > that tying the grounds together anywhere along the cable run would > defeat the purpose. > > To me this makes no sense, but I'm not an eletrical engineer, either. > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 13:16:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from accord.grasslake.net (accord.grasslake.net [206.11.249.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F9237C1DB for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:16:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swb@grasslake.net) Received: from marlowe (Marlowe.campbell-mithun.com [192.159.32.184]) by accord.grasslake.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA02549 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:17:52 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from swb@grasslake.net) Message-ID: <00ef01c003d1$2f3710c0$b8209fc0@marlowe> From: "Shawn Barnhart" To: References: <00d301c003b9$2d425990$b8209fc0@marlowe> <011a01c003ce$6d48ae80$c8026b83@wrath01> Subject: Re: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:17:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 14:57 Subject: Re: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? | All of them run to ground through your board, to the power supply, out the | cable, into the receptacle, down the line, through the breaker panel, and | down to a ten foot ground rod in the ground. Of course there's dozens of | ways of grounding, but more than likely it goes to a ground rod or to the | STREET side of your water pipe from the city. | | It won't do you much good if you're one of those people that cut off the | grounding terminal on your power supply cord to fit your pre-1970's | receptacle. | | If you sat there with your ohmmeter you'd probably find that all those wires | (40 of them) go to one of the many ground wires on the cable. | | It's a great idea to use ground shielding to _help_ eliminate crosstalk, but | whoever decided to use 24 gauge (I've even seen 30 gauge) wire with even | thinner PVC coating (to keep the already giant ribbon from growing to fill | your 1U case) should be hung from their toes. | | until they get a hillbilly electrician on the standards committee, it's | going to get worse. next thing you'll know they'll start using solid | aluminum wire. | | Brian St.John | brian@wrath.com | "the only eighteen year old nerd that doesn't run eunicks at home" | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Shawn Barnhart" | To: "FreeBSD Hardware List" | Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 1:25 PM | Subject: Re: Best behaved drives for FreeBSD? | | | > Can someone explain to me the technical advantages of tying all the | > ground lines together at the cable connectors ("40 pin compatibility") | > but breaking them off seperately for the rest of the cable ("80 wire | > cable")? | > | > It strikes me that if you're doing ground isolation to keep noise at bay | > that tying the grounds together anywhere along the cable run would | > defeat the purpose. | > | > To me this makes no sense, but I'm not an eletrical engineer, either. | > | > | > | > | > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message | > | | | | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 15:23:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (mass.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B4137BC59 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:23:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00819; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:35:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200008112235.PAA00819@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Mike Tancsa Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3ware and RAID0 vs RAID 1 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:07:00 EDT." <4.3.2.7.0.20000811092428.00da32d0@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:35:17 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >Ok, thanks. It *definitely* shouldn't "just hang" at all. > > OK, some more quick testing... I was wrong about the hanging, I just did > not wait long enough. That's a relief. I take it that you didn't look at the disks? > running bonnie with 100M (the machine has 128M of RAM, both complete in > about 30seconds. Actually, 33 for the 3ware vs 30. Sounds reasonable. > (mounts are sync btw) > > -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- > --Random-- > -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- > --Seeks--- > Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU > IDE 100 15511 84.5 16221 30.4 17630 33.8 13662 99.9 159587 99.9 > 17239.3 99.7 > RAID1 100 18210 97.4 18148 32.5 19653 36.0 13644 100.0 157095 100.0 > 17101.5 99.6 > > > But, when I do something over my available RAM, the differences become very > apparent. > -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- > -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- > MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU > IDE 500 17721 93.8 18197 33.4 8871 21.2 12800 97.5 22265 21.2 153.1 1.9 > RAID1 500 14711 81.0 16023 32.0 600 1.4 5805 44.0 6710 6.0 102.2 1.3 > > Doing a 500MB write on a regular drive on this machine takes about 3min, > 30seconds. On the RAID1, it takes 19 min ?? Can you be more specific about "a 500M write"? Are you referring to the bonnie run? I wouldn't expect it to be 5x as slow. Note that the rewrite case suggests that your test is still too small; I typically use 1 or 10GB on a 128MB machine. > Do you see similar results with your controllers and disks in RAID1 ? Bonnie results on these cards tend to suggest that they're fairly slow writers. It's 3ware also observed this, but commented that with two writers they found more bandwidth. I suspect that the write overhead may be fairly high, leading to a lot of dead time while writing (the read overhead is also an issue I guess). I haven't done a lot of timing tests, as I'm typically more concerned with functionality and reliability. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 15:42:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from cage.simianscience.com (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52CD37BC2B; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:42:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from chimp (chimp [192.168.0.2]) by cage.simianscience.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17138; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:42:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000811183002.0456fb88@mail.sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@mail.sentex.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:37:01 -0400 To: Mike Smith From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: 3ware and RAID0 vs RAID 1 Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200008112235.PAA00819@mass.osd.bsdi.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:35 PM 8/11/2000 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > >Ok, thanks. It *definitely* shouldn't "just hang" at all. > > > > OK, some more quick testing... I was wrong about the hanging, I just did > > not wait long enough. > >That's a relief. I take it that you didn't look at the disks? Yes, sorry to get you worried needlessly. I did blast the disks individually and performance was as expected identical. And as RAID0, it all works quite well both reading *and* writing... > > > > Doing a 500MB write on a regular drive on this machine takes about 3min, > > 30seconds. On the RAID1, it takes 19 min ?? > >Can you be more specific about "a 500M write"? Are you referring to the >bonnie run? I wouldn't expect it to be 5x as slow. Note that the >rewrite case suggests that your test is still too small; I typically use >1 or 10GB on a 128MB machine. Yes, the times I reference are for bonnie to complete a bonnie -s 500 The thing I dont understand is why the RAID0 writes would be very fast, but RAID1 5 times slower. But then again, I really dont know anything about hardware so I suppose it can make perfect sense :-) > > Do you see similar results with your controllers and disks in RAID1 ? > >Bonnie results on these cards tend to suggest that they're fairly slow >writers. It's 3ware also observed this, but commented that with two >writers they found more bandwidth. I suspect that the write overhead may >be fairly high, leading to a lot of dead time while writing (the read >overhead is also an issue I guess). I haven't done a lot of timing tests, >as I'm typically more concerned with functionality and reliability. Understood. Is there anyone else out there who can confirm these results ? It (for me anyways) makes this card pretty useless for RAID1. A shame if its the case. ---Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Network Administration, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 15:49: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from accord.grasslake.net (accord.grasslake.net [206.11.249.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BAFC37BC2B for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:48:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swb@grasslake.net) Received: from marlowe (Marlowe.campbell-mithun.com [192.159.32.184]) by accord.grasslake.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA02737 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:50:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from swb@grasslake.net) Message-ID: <000601c003e6$686e14a0$b8209fc0@marlowe> From: "Shawn Barnhart" To: References: <200008112235.PAA00819@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Subject: Re: 3ware and RAID0 vs RAID 1 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:49:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Smith" | Bonnie results on these cards tend to suggest that they're fairly slow | writers. It's 3ware also observed this, but commented that with two | writers they found more bandwidth. I suspect that the write overhead may | be fairly high, leading to a lot of dead time while writing (the read | overhead is also an issue I guess). I haven't done a lot of timing tests, | as I'm typically more concerned with functionality and reliability. Are there any other IDE RAID cards supported under FreeBSD? I had been considering this one when I read about a few weeks ago, but if RAID1 is a dog, it's kind of worthless to me. Is RAID0 still faster than a single IDE disk? My first use for one of these cards would be a RAID0 SQUID cache, the other uses would have been RAID1. They're cheap enough that it might be worth getting a couple for the hell of it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 16:45:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from krell.webweaver.net (krell.webweaver.net [206.24.105.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB7A337BBE5; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:45:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nicole@unixgirl.com) Received: from xwin.nmhtech.com (xwin.nmhtech.com [208.138.46.10]) by krell.webweaver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CF320F04; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Content-Length: 3403 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200008112235.PAA00819@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:45:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Nicole Harrington." To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: 3ware and RAID0 vs RAID 1 Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Tancsa Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone tested the Adaptec IDE RAID card? After the dos config it is supposed to be faily OS independent. Nicole On 11-Aug-00 Mike Smith wrote: >> >Ok, thanks. It *definitely* shouldn't "just hang" at all. >> >> OK, some more quick testing... I was wrong about the hanging, I just did >> not wait long enough. > > That's a relief. I take it that you didn't look at the disks? > >> running bonnie with 100M (the machine has 128M of RAM, both complete in >> about 30seconds. Actually, 33 for the 3ware vs 30. Sounds reasonable. >> (mounts are sync btw) >> >> -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- >> --Random-- >> -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- >> --Seeks--- >> Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec >> %CPU >> IDE 100 15511 84.5 16221 30.4 17630 33.8 13662 99.9 159587 99.9 >> 17239.3 99.7 >> RAID1 100 18210 97.4 18148 32.5 19653 36.0 13644 100.0 157095 100.0 >> 17101.5 99.6 >> >> >> But, when I do something over my available RAM, the differences become very >> apparent. >> -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- >> -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- >> MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU >> IDE 500 17721 93.8 18197 33.4 8871 21.2 12800 97.5 22265 21.2 153.1 1.9 >> RAID1 500 14711 81.0 16023 32.0 600 1.4 5805 44.0 6710 6.0 102.2 1.3 >> >> Doing a 500MB write on a regular drive on this machine takes about 3min, >> 30seconds. On the RAID1, it takes 19 min ?? > > Can you be more specific about "a 500M write"? Are you referring to the > bonnie run? I wouldn't expect it to be 5x as slow. Note that the > rewrite case suggests that your test is still too small; I typically use > 1 or 10GB on a 128MB machine. > >> Do you see similar results with your controllers and disks in RAID1 ? > > Bonnie results on these cards tend to suggest that they're fairly slow > writers. It's 3ware also observed this, but commented that with two > writers they found more bandwidth. I suspect that the write overhead may > be fairly high, leading to a lot of dead time while writing (the read > overhead is also an issue I guess). I haven't done a lot of timing tests, > as I'm typically more concerned with functionality and reliability. > > > > -- > ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his > rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want > to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force > people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message nicole@unixgirl.com |\ __ /| (`\ http://www.unixgirl.com/ webmistress@dangermouse.org | o_o |__ ) ) http://www.dangermouse.org/ // \\ ---------------------------(((---(((----------------------------------------- -- Powered by Coka-Cola and FreeBSD -- -- Strong enough for a man - But made for a Woman -- -- OWNED? MS: Who's Been In/Virused Your Computer Today? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 16:54:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (mass.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6190437BBE5; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:54:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01950; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:06:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200008120006.RAA01950@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Nicole Harrington." Cc: Mike Smith , hardware@freebsd.org, Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: 3ware and RAID0 vs RAID 1 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:45:39 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:06:35 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Has anyone tested the Adaptec IDE RAID card? > After the dos config it is supposed to be faily OS independent. No, I haven't. If you want to send me one, I'd be happy to try. 8) -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 17: 0:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from devils.maquina.com (devils.maquina.com [62.229.71.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D200537BC54; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:00:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gabriel@maquina.com) Received: from localhost (gabriel@localhost) by devils.maquina.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19060; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 01:00:05 +0100 (WEST) (envelope-from gabriel@maquina.com) X-Authentication-Warning: devils.maquina.com: gabriel owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 01:00:05 +0100 (WEST) From: Jose Gabriel Marcelino To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Notebook recommendation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm planning to buy a notebook and I want to run FreeBSD on it, of course. My main requirements are: - It has to be lightweight < 2.5Kg ( < 5.5 lbs) - Battery should last at the very least 2+ hours. - 1024x768 resolution - Compatibility with the Cisco Aironet 340 cards I already ordered (shoulnd't be too difficult, just requires a PC Card slot). - Maximum compatility with FreeBSD. After drooling a bit over the Sony Vaios, I have found their price tags to put them too low on the bang for the buck ratio, and I don't need the FireWire or memory card ports. I've now found the Asus model M8320 notebook to fit the requirements nicely, but I would like to hear some more opinions. This machine has a Silicon Motion 710 graphic chip, which seems to be supported in (only) XFree86 3.6 (ie, no 4.0 support yet). It's a 2D only chip but that's ok for my needs. For sound it has the Intel 440MX chipset as it's AC'97 controller, so it should be supported in a (future?) i8xx driver, it's already fully supported in Linux so I guess it's just a question of time (or maybe some work from me :) to have it working in FreeBSD. It also seems to have an Intel 82559 Ethernet controller which is nice and a Lucent 1641 DSP as a modem chip which already has some Linux support (and even a binary modem Linux kernel module from Lucent itself). This comes out by a combo network/phone line RJ-45 jack which makes me a little afraid of how one changes it's mode. I also like the fact that it has a removable CD-Rom drive as it seems to make the airplane companies happier. Does anyone have one of this machines? How does it work under FreeBSD? I would appreciate your comments very much. Thanks! Best regards, Gabriel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 17:27:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from kermodei.com (kermodei.com [216.103.110.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7300F37BAE7; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:27:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from markd@Kermodei.com) Received: (from markd@localhost) by kermodei.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA98706; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:27:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from markd@Kermodei.com) From: Mark Diekhans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14740.39415.823226.287984@osprey.Kermodei.Com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:27:35 -0700 (PDT) To: Jose Gabriel Marcelino Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Notebook recommendation In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.7.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jose Gabriel Marcelino writes: > I'm planning to buy a notebook and I want to run FreeBSD on it, of course. > My main requirements are: > > - It has to be lightweight < 2.5Kg ( < 5.5 lbs) > - Battery should last at the very least 2+ hours. > - 1024x768 resolution > - Compatibility with the Cisco Aironet 340 cards I already ordered > (shoulnd't be too difficult, just requires a PC Card slot). > - Maximum compatility with FreeBSD. I recently purchased a Sharp A290 and (after about a month of use) think its fantastic. 3.1-lbs, titanium case, 1024x768 with the nices LCD I have ever used PII/366/128mb/9gb for $1600 (U.S.). Built-in ethernet an USB (&#%$ HSP modem). I have been told it runs cooler than the VAIOs. Overall, a nicer machine (IMHO) than the VAIOs for less money. The external battery adds a lot of extra time (~6 claimed hours) Had some trouble with FreeBSD 4.0 and the PCCARD, but upgrading to 4.0-STABLE fix it all. Haven't even looked at the sound support. Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 20:13:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from asustek.asus.com.tw (asustek.asus.com.tw [192.72.126.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2B337B5BA; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:12:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Thomas_Chen@asus.com.tw) Received: from asusgs1.asus.com.tw ([192.168.4.100]) by asustek.asus.com.tw (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26052; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:12:44 +0800 Received: by asusgs1.asus.com.tw with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:27:00 +0800 Message-ID: From: =?big5?B?VGhvbWFzIENoZW4os6+n06n3KQ==?= To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:26:55 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear All, I've got a data switch to connect all my three PCs' Monitor, Mouse, Keyboard together, so that I can use one Mouse(PS/2), Keyboard(PS/2) to control all of them. When I switch one to another, Everything's OK in win98 PC, but something wrong in my FreeBSD(4.0r). The following message appear: kernel: psmintr: out of sync (0080 != 0000) then the mouse can not work in FreeBSD, why?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 20:29:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from guy.asimware.com (guy.asimware.com [199.185.255.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C5037B5BA; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:29:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gscott@asimware.com) Received: from localhost (gscott@localhost) by guy.asimware.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA65171; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:26:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gscott@asimware.com) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:26:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Greg Scott To: =?big5?B?VGhvbWFzIENoZW4os6+n06n3KQ==?= Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I've got a data switch to connect all my three PCs' Monitor, Mouse, Keyboard > together, so that I can use one Mouse(PS/2), Keyboard(PS/2) to control all > of them. > When I switch one to another, Everything's OK in win98 PC, but something > wrong in my FreeBSD(4.0r). The following message appear: > > kernel: psmintr: out of sync (0080 != 0000) > > then the mouse can not work in FreeBSD, > > why?? Did you get a real KVM or just some rotary switch box? If a switchbox, then yes, you will have problems since they do not maintain the CLK/DATA lines to the computer they are connected to, so when you do switch back to them, they will more than likelty be out of sync. This is what a proper KVM is for. It maintains those signals to the computers so you do not lose sync. -- Greg Scott | Asimware Innovations Inc. Network Administrator | 600 Upper Wellington St, Unit #D Website Co-Ordinator | Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L9A 3P9 greg.scott@asimware.com | Phone: (905)575-1042 | Fax: (905)575-0095 | WWW: http://www.asimware.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 20:48:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from asustek.asus.com.tw (asustek.asus.com.tw [192.72.126.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6FBF37B714; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:47:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Thomas_Chen@asus.com.tw) Received: from asusgs1.asus.com.tw ([192.168.4.100]) by asustek.asus.com.tw (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26801; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:46:34 +0800 Received: by asusgs1.asus.com.tw with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:00:50 +0800 Message-ID: From: =?big5?B?VGhvbWFzIENoZW4os6+n06n3KQ==?= To: "'Greg Scott'" Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:00:45 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for ur reply!! I've got a rotary switch box, not a real KVM. Is there any solution to this problem without a real KVM? -----Original Message----- From: Greg Scott [mailto:gscott@asimware.com] Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 11:27 AM To: Thomas Chen(=B3=AF=A7=D3=A9=F7) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2) > I've got a data switch to connect all my three PCs' Monitor, Mouse, Keyboard > together, so that I can use one Mouse(PS/2), Keyboard(PS/2) to = control all > of them. > When I switch one to another, Everything's OK in win98 PC, but = something > wrong in my FreeBSD(4.0r). The following message appear: >=20 > kernel: psmintr: out of sync (0080 !=3D 0000) >=20 > then the mouse can not work in FreeBSD, >=20 > why?? Did you get a real KVM or just some rotary switch box? If a switchbox, then yes, you will have problems since they do not maintain the CLK/DATA lines to the computer they are connected to, so = when you do switch back to them, they will more than likelty be out of sync. This is what a proper KVM is for. It maintains those signals to the computers so you do not lose sync. -- Greg Scott | Asimware Innovations Inc. Network Administrator | 600 Upper Wellington St, Unit #D Website Co-Ordinator | Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L9A 3P9 greg.scott@asimware.com | Phone: (905)575-1042 | Fax: (905)575-0095 | WWW: http://www.asimware.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 21: 8: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.hcvlny.cv.net (mx1.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.112.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F01337B69D for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:07:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mvanberk@optonline.net) Received: from s1.optonline.net (s1.optonline.net [167.206.112.6]) by mx1.hcvlny.cv.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23854 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from steinyv (d133-151.jcsnnj.optonline.net [24.189.133.151]) by s1.optonline.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11630 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000811235229.00a87950@mail-hub.optonline.net> X-Sender: mvanberk@mail-hub.optonline.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:01:55 -0400 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Bigwillie Subject: RE: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What could be done. I also have a rotary box, and sometimes the keyboard=20 and mouse go out on me. Im just looking for a cheap alternative, who makes= =20 a cheap "real" kvm switch???? At 12:00 AM 8/12/00 , you wrote: >Thanks for ur reply!! > >I've got a rotary switch box, not a real KVM. > >Is there any solution to this problem without a real KVM? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Greg Scott [mailto:gscott@asimware.com] >Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 11:27 AM >To: Thomas Chen(=B3=AF=A7=D3=A9=F7) >Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2) > > > > I've got a data switch to connect all my three PCs' Monitor, Mouse, >Keyboard > > together, so that I can use one Mouse(PS/2), Keyboard(PS/2) to control= all > > of them. > > When I switch one to another, Everything's OK in win98 PC, but something > > wrong in my FreeBSD(4.0r). The following message appear: > > > > kernel: psmintr: out of sync (0080 !=3D 0000) > > > > then the mouse can not work in FreeBSD, > > > > why?? > >Did you get a real KVM or just some rotary switch box? > >If a switchbox, then yes, you will have problems since they do not >maintain the CLK/DATA lines to the computer they are connected to, so when >you do switch back to them, they will more than likelty be out of sync. > >This is what a proper KVM is for. It maintains those signals to the >computers so you do not lose sync. > > >-- >Greg Scott | Asimware Innovations Inc. >Network Administrator | 600 Upper Wellington St, Unit #D >Website Co-Ordinator | Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L9A 3P9 >greg.scott@asimware.com | Phone: (905)575-1042 > | Fax: (905)575-0095 > | WWW: http://www.asimware.com > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message _________________________________________ Steiny's Studio Pachyderm Productions http://steiny.hypermart.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 21:14:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.milw.twtelecom.net (ins1.milw.twtelecom.net [216.136.95.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB12437B881 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:14:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@inc.net) Received: from inc.net (ess.phreak.net [207.250.97.69]) by mail.milw.twtelecom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A67633014; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:14:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3994CF7F.4E0DBAB7@inc.net> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:15:59 -0500 From: Steve Kaczkowski Organization: Time Warner Telecom - IDD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bigwillie Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2) References: <4.2.0.58.20000811235229.00a87950@mail-hub.optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bigwillie wrote: > > What could be done. I also have a rotary box, and sometimes the keyboard > and mouse go out on me. Im just looking for a cheap alternative, who makes > a cheap "real" kvm switch???? Take a look at Belkin stuff, fairly priced and works well.. -Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 21:17:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from guy.asimware.com (guy.asimware.com [199.185.255.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18CD37B881 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:17:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gscott@asimware.com) Received: from localhost (gscott@localhost) by guy.asimware.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA65258; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:14:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gscott@asimware.com) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:14:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Greg Scott To: Bigwillie Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000811235229.00a87950@mail-hub.optonline.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > What could be done. I also have a rotary box, and sometimes the keyboard > and mouse go out on me. Im just looking for a cheap alternative, who makes > a cheap "real" kvm switch???? I use a cheap Startech 4 port KVM with my FreeBSD boxen. No problems. You'll probably find this under some other brand name in your geographical region. -- Greg Scott | Asimware Innovations Inc. Network Administrator | 600 Upper Wellington St, Unit #D Website Co-Ordinator | Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L9A 3P9 greg.scott@asimware.com | Phone: (905)575-1042 | Fax: (905)575-0095 | WWW: http://www.asimware.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 21:53:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sn1oexchr02.nextvenue.com (pony.nextvenue.com [209.0.251.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D237737B9A9 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:53:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nevans@nextvenue.com) Received: FROM sn1exchmbx.nextvenue.com BY sn1oexchr02.nextvenue.com ; Sat Aug 12 00:52:48 2000 -0400 Received: by sn1exchmbx.nextvenue.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:52:20 -0400 Message-ID: <712384017032D411AD7B0001023D799B33B235@sn1exchmbx.nextvenue.com> From: Nick Evans To: 'Greg Scott' , "Thomas Chen(???)" Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:52:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C00419.17589A30" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C00419.17589A30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" I've had the same problem on KVM's from Cybex, not frequently, but it has happened, you might want to stay away from them. You should also be able to kill the mouse daemon to reset it. Something like "kill -1 PIDOFMDAEMON" Nick -----Original Message----- From: Greg Scott [mailto:gscott@asimware.com] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 11:27 PM To: Thomas Chen(???) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2) > I've got a data switch to connect all my three PCs' Monitor, Mouse, Keyboard > together, so that I can use one Mouse(PS/2), Keyboard(PS/2) to control all > of them. > When I switch one to another, Everything's OK in win98 PC, but something > wrong in my FreeBSD(4.0r). The following message appear: > > kernel: psmintr: out of sync (0080 != 0000) > > then the mouse can not work in FreeBSD, > > why?? Did you get a real KVM or just some rotary switch box? If a switchbox, then yes, you will have problems since they do not maintain the CLK/DATA lines to the computer they are connected to, so when you do switch back to them, they will more than likelty be out of sync. This is what a proper KVM is for. It maintains those signals to the computers so you do not lose sync. -- Greg Scott | Asimware Innovations Inc. Network Administrator | 600 Upper Wellington St, Unit #D Website Co-Ordinator | Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L9A 3P9 greg.scott@asimware.com | Phone: (905)575-1042 | Fax: (905)575-0095 | WWW: http://www.asimware.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message ------_=_NextPart_001_01C00419.17589A30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2)

I've had the same problem on KVM's from Cybex, not = frequently, but it has happened, you might want to stay away from them. = You should also be able to kill the mouse daemon to reset it. Something = like "kill -1 PIDOFMDAEMON"

Nick

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Scott [mailto:gscott@asimware.com]
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 11:27 PM
To: Thomas Chen(???)
Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; = freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2)


> I've got a data switch to connect all my three = PCs' Monitor, Mouse, Keyboard
> together, so that I can use one Mouse(PS/2), = Keyboard(PS/2) to control all
> of them.
> When I switch one to another, Everything's OK = in win98 PC, but something
> wrong in my FreeBSD(4.0r). The following = message appear:
>
>  kernel: psmintr: out of sync (0080 !=3D = 0000)
>
> then the mouse can not work in FreeBSD,
>
> why??

Did you get a real KVM or just some rotary switch = box?

If a switchbox, then yes, you will have problems = since they do not
maintain the CLK/DATA lines to the computer they are = connected to, so when
you do switch back to them, they will more than = likelty be out of sync.

This is what a proper KVM is for. It maintains those = signals to the
computers so you do not lose sync.


--
Greg = Scott           &= nbsp;       = |       Asimware Innovations Inc.
Network = Administrator        = |       600 Upper Wellington St, Unit = #D
Website = Co-Ordinator         = |       Hamilton, Ontario, Canada  = L9A 3P9
greg.scott@asimware.com      = |       Phone: (905)575-1042
          &nb= sp;           &nb= sp;      = |         Fax: = (905)575-0095
          &nb= sp;           &nb= sp;      = |         WWW: http://www.asimware.com



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C00419.17589A30-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 22: 0:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from smp.kyx.net (cr95838-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.134.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7B737BAC9 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:00:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dr@smp.kyx.net) Received: by smp.kyx.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id 89A183A26B; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:58:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Dragos Ruiu Organization: kyx.net To: Bigwillie , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, gscott@asimware.com Subject: RE: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:54:49 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <4.2.0.58.20000811235229.00a87950@mail-hub.optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000811235229.00a87950@mail-hub.optonline.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00081121582417.31978@smp.kyx.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I used to have problems with the out of sync messages on my KVM too... I was using logitech trackballs.... but there is a solution. If you look at the /dev/psm man page you'll see that there are two flags on the driver you can set to avoid this issue. I remember both worked... I don't recall immediately what they were but I set my flags currently to 0x0300 on the kernels I build and it works fine. cheers, --dr On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Bigwillie wrote: > What could be done. I also have a rotary box, and sometimes the keyboard > and mouse go out on me. Im just looking for a cheap alternative, who makes > a cheap "real" kvm switch???? > > At 12:00 AM 8/12/00 , you wrote: > >Thanks for ur reply!! > > > >I've got a rotary switch box, not a real KVM. > > > >Is there any solution to this problem without a real KVM? > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Greg Scott [mailto:gscott@asimware.com] > >Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 11:27 AM > >To: Thomas Chen(³¯§Ó©÷) > >Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >Subject: Re: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2) > > > > > > > I've got a data switch to connect all my three PCs' Monitor, Mouse, > >Keyboard > > > together, so that I can use one Mouse(PS/2), Keyboard(PS/2) to control all > > > of them. > > > When I switch one to another, Everything's OK in win98 PC, but something > > > wrong in my FreeBSD(4.0r). The following message appear: > > > > > > kernel: psmintr: out of sync (0080 != 0000) > > > > > > then the mouse can not work in FreeBSD, > > > > > > why?? > > > >Did you get a real KVM or just some rotary switch box? > > > >If a switchbox, then yes, you will have problems since they do not > >maintain the CLK/DATA lines to the computer they are connected to, so when > >you do switch back to them, they will more than likelty be out of sync. > > > >This is what a proper KVM is for. It maintains those signals to the > >computers so you do not lose sync. > > > > > >-- > >Greg Scott | Asimware Innovations Inc. > >Network Administrator | 600 Upper Wellington St, Unit #D > >Website Co-Ordinator | Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L9A 3P9 > >greg.scott@asimware.com | Phone: (905)575-1042 > > | Fax: (905)575-0095 > > | WWW: http://www.asimware.com > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > _________________________________________ > Steiny's Studio > Pachyderm Productions > http://steiny.hypermart.net > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message -- dursec.com ltd. / kyx.net - we're from the future http://www.dursec.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 22:46:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from asustek.asus.com.tw (asustek.asus.com.tw [192.72.126.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A26237BC72 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:46:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Thomas_Chen@asus.com.tw) Received: from asusgs1.asus.com.tw ([192.168.4.100]) by asustek.asus.com.tw (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA30231 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 13:45:43 +0800 Received: by asusgs1.asus.com.tw with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 13:59:53 +0800 Message-ID: From: =?big5?B?VGhvbWFzIENoZW4os6+n06n3KQ==?= To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 13:59:46 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org thanks!! I've bought a 4-port kvm switch. It's not cheap....about US$160 (I'm in Taiwan) but it's working well now!! -----Original Message----- From: Greg Scott [mailto:gscott@asimware.com] Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 12:15 PM To: Bigwillie Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2) > What could be done. I also have a rotary box, and sometimes the keyboard > and mouse go out on me. Im just looking for a cheap alternative, who makes > a cheap "real" kvm switch???? I use a cheap Startech 4 port KVM with my FreeBSD boxen. No problems. You'll probably find this under some other brand name in your geographical region. -- Greg Scott | Asimware Innovations Inc. Network Administrator | 600 Upper Wellington St, Unit #D Website Co-Ordinator | Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L9A 3P9 greg.scott@asimware.com | Phone: (905)575-1042 | Fax: (905)575-0095 | WWW: http://www.asimware.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 22:48: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from bitshift.org (c42544-a.enclv-mdu1.sfba.home.com [24.1.127.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD93C37B69D; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:48:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@bitshift.org) Received: (from skritch@localhost) by agamemnon.home.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id SAA06221; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:21:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: agamemnon.home.com: skritch set sender to mark@bitshift.org using -f Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:21:11 -0700 From: "Mark C . Langston" To: Mark Diekhans Cc: Jose Gabriel Marcelino , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Notebook recommendation Message-ID: <20000811182111.H2036@bitshift.org> References: <14740.39415.823226.287984@osprey.Kermodei.Com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <14740.39415.823226.287984@osprey.Kermodei.Com>; from markd@Kermodei.com on Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 05:27:35PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 05:27:35PM -0700, Mark Diekhans wrote: > Jose Gabriel Marcelino writes: > > I'm planning to buy a notebook and I want to run FreeBSD on it, of course. > > My main requirements are: > > > > - It has to be lightweight < 2.5Kg ( < 5.5 lbs) > > - Battery should last at the very least 2+ hours. > > - 1024x768 resolution > > - Compatibility with the Cisco Aironet 340 cards I already ordered > > (shoulnd't be too difficult, just requires a PC Card slot). > > - Maximum compatility with FreeBSD. > > I recently purchased a Sharp A290 and (after about a month of use) > think its fantastic. 3.1-lbs, titanium case, 1024x768 with the > nices LCD I have ever used PII/366/128mb/9gb for $1600 (U.S.). > Built-in ethernet an USB (&#%$ HSP modem). I have been told > it runs cooler than the VAIOs. Overall, a nicer machine (IMHO) > than the VAIOs for less money. The external battery adds a lot > of extra time (~6 claimed hours) > > Had some trouble with FreeBSD 4.0 and the PCCARD, but upgrading to > 4.0-STABLE fix it all. > > Haven't even looked at the sound support. I'm running 5.0-CURRENT on my Sharp Actius A800, and have sound working, USB working (by applying the HP Omnibook patch that ignores the return code on the initial probe) with my Rio 500, and it works flawlessly with my WaveLAN Gold 802.11b wireless PC card, even with the apmd and the close-lid suspend. The screen's excellent, and overall it's gotten lots of "ooh"s and "aah"s these past few weeks on the road. It also has a removable CD-ROM drive. I must say as well, having owned both a Vaio (505GX) and this notebook, the keyboard is much nicer on the Sharp. One of the reasons I purchased the Sharp is because after a few years of moderate use, the keycaps on the Vaio started breaking irreparably. There are a few odd graphics glitches when running XMame, and the graphics chipset isn't quite beefy enough to run today's games natively or via Wine, but for a day-to-day, mobile FreeBSD system, it's wonderful. -- Mark C Langston mark@bitshift.org Systems & Network Admin http://www.bitshift.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 23: 4:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.hcvlny.cv.net (mx1.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.112.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964D237BC3D for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:04:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mvanberk@optonline.net) Received: from s1.optonline.net (s1.optonline.net [167.206.112.6]) by mx1.hcvlny.cv.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA21363 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from steinyv (d133-151.jcsnnj.optonline.net [24.189.133.151]) by s1.optonline.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA07486 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000812015448.00a7f100@mail-hub.optonline.net> X-Sender: mvanberk@mail-hub.optonline.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 01:58:14 -0400 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Bigwillie Subject: RE: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2) In-Reply-To: <00081121582417.31978@smp.kyx.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20000811235229.00a87950@mail-hub.optonline.net> <4.2.0.58.20000811235229.00a87950@mail-hub.optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Im going to look into that, but anyone has an idea about the keyboard=20 getting locked out..... At 12:54 AM 8/12/00 , you wrote: >I used to have problems with the out of sync messages on my KVM too... >I was using logitech trackballs.... but there is a solution. If you look >at the /dev/psm man page you'll see that there are two flags on the >driver you can set to avoid this issue. I remember both worked... >I don't recall immediately what they were but I set my flags currently >to 0x0300 on the kernels I build and it works fine. > >cheers, >--dr > >On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Bigwillie wrote: > > What could be done. I also have a rotary box, and sometimes the= keyboard > > and mouse go out on me. Im just looking for a cheap alternative, who=20 > makes > > a cheap "real" kvm switch???? > > > > At 12:00 AM 8/12/00 , you wrote: > > >Thanks for ur reply!! > > > > > >I've got a rotary switch box, not a real KVM. > > > > > >Is there any solution to this problem without a real KVM? > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Greg Scott [mailto:gscott@asimware.com] > > >Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 11:27 AM > > >To: Thomas Chen(=B3=AF=A7=D3=A9=F7) > > >Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > > >Subject: Re: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2) > > > > > > > > > > I've got a data switch to connect all my three PCs' Monitor, Mouse, > > >Keyboard > > > > together, so that I can use one Mouse(PS/2), Keyboard(PS/2) to=20 > control all > > > > of them. > > > > When I switch one to another, Everything's OK in win98 PC, but=20 > something > > > > wrong in my FreeBSD(4.0r). The following message appear: > > > > > > > > kernel: psmintr: out of sync (0080 !=3D 0000) > > > > > > > > then the mouse can not work in FreeBSD, > > > > > > > > why?? > > > > > >Did you get a real KVM or just some rotary switch box? > > > > > >If a switchbox, then yes, you will have problems since they do not > > >maintain the CLK/DATA lines to the computer they are connected to, so= when > > >you do switch back to them, they will more than likelty be out of sync. > > > > > >This is what a proper KVM is for. It maintains those signals to the > > >computers so you do not lose sync. > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Greg Scott | Asimware Innovations Inc. > > >Network Administrator | 600 Upper Wellington St, Unit #D > > >Website Co-Ordinator | Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L9A 3P9 > > >greg.scott@asimware.com | Phone: (905)575-1042 > > > | Fax: (905)575-0095 > > > | WWW: http://www.asimware.com > > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > > _________________________________________ > > Steiny's Studio > > Pachyderm Productions > > http://steiny.hypermart.net > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message >-- >dursec.com ltd. / kyx.net - we're from the future http://www.dursec.com > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message _________________________________________ Steiny's Studio Pachyderm Productions http://steiny.hypermart.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 1:55:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from smp.kyx.net (cr95838-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.134.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CFCF37BC4E for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 01:55:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dr@smp.kyx.net) Received: by smp.kyx.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id 35E703A26B; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 01:53:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Dragos Ruiu Organization: kyx.net To: Bigwillie , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 01:52:32 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <4.2.0.58.20000811235229.00a87950@mail-hub.optonline.net> <4.2.0.58.20000812015448.00a7f100@mail-hub.optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000812015448.00a7f100@mail-hub.optonline.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00081201535719.31978@smp.kyx.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That was also a symptom of my problems... KB would block up, but only after I switched to a Windows machine..... The driver flags seem to have cured both problems. good luck, --dr On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Bigwillie wrote: > Im going to look into that, but anyone has an idea about the keyboard > getting locked out..... > > At 12:54 AM 8/12/00 , you wrote: > >I used to have problems with the out of sync messages on my KVM too... > >I was using logitech trackballs.... but there is a solution. If you look > >at the /dev/psm man page you'll see that there are two flags on the > >driver you can set to avoid this issue. I remember both worked... > >I don't recall immediately what they were but I set my flags currently > >to 0x0300 on the kernels I build and it works fine. > > > > > > > I've got a data switch to connect all my three PCs' Monitor, Mouse, > > > >Keyboard > > > > > together, so that I can use one Mouse(PS/2), Keyboard(PS/2) to > > control all > > > > > of them. > > > > > When I switch one to another, Everything's OK in win98 PC, but > > something > > > > > wrong in my FreeBSD(4.0r). The following message appear: > > > > > > > > > > kernel: psmintr: out of sync (0080 != 0000) > > > > > > > > > > then the mouse can not work in FreeBSD, > > > > > > > > > > why?? -- dursec.com ltd. / kyx.net - we're from the future http://www.dursec.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 4:31: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail-2.sjc.telocity.net (mail-2.sjc.telocity.net [216.227.56.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4B437BCE9; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 04:30:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from otterr@telocity.com) Received: from zoso (dsl-216-227-91-85.telocity.com [216.227.91.85]) by mail-2.sjc.telocity.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA15026; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 04:27:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Otter" To: "=?big5?B?VGhvbWFzIENoZW4gXCgzocKhsU9jodJcKQ==?=" Cc: , Subject: RE: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 07:32:07 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of > Thomas Chen (³¯§Ó©÷) > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 12:01 AM > To: 'Greg Scott' > Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2) > > > Thanks for ur reply!! > > I've got a rotary switch box, not a real KVM. > > Is there any solution to this problem without a real KVM? > Thomas, I ran into the same problem here. Since much of my work must be done with M$ applications, I've got an X server running on the Win2k machine, and tunnel all my x11 apps from the other machines back to this desktop (through ssh, of course). It eliminates a need for the KVM, as well as all the unnecessary mice, monitors, keyboards, etc. and I still get all my work done. I will admit... it's kind of odd seeing the Win2k taskbar underneath a Solaris CDE desktop, with an app or two from the FreeBSD box running in there with it. If you're interested, check out: http://www.defcon1.org/x11ssh.html -Otter > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Scott [mailto:gscott@asimware.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 11:27 AM > To: Thomas Chen(³¯§Ó©÷) > Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2) > > > > I've got a data switch to connect all my three PCs' > Monitor, Mouse, > Keyboard > > together, so that I can use one Mouse(PS/2), > Keyboard(PS/2) to control all > > of them. > > When I switch one to another, Everything's OK in win98 > PC, but something > > wrong in my FreeBSD(4.0r). The following message appear: > > > > kernel: psmintr: out of sync (0080 != 0000) > > > > then the mouse can not work in FreeBSD, > > > > why?? > > Did you get a real KVM or just some rotary switch box? > > If a switchbox, then yes, you will have problems since they do not > maintain the CLK/DATA lines to the computer they are > connected to, so when > you do switch back to them, they will more than likelty be > out of sync. > > This is what a proper KVM is for. It maintains those signals to the > computers so you do not lose sync. > > > -- > Greg Scott | Asimware Innovations Inc. > Network Administrator | 600 Upper Wellington > St, Unit #D > Website Co-Ordinator | Hamilton, Ontario, > Canada L9A 3P9 > greg.scott@asimware.com | Phone: (905)575-1042 > | Fax: (905)575-0095 > | WWW: http://www.asimware.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 7:34:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.vagner.com (kk7ax.dsl.psn.net.182.63.209.in-addr.arpa [209.63.182.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9356D37B86D; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 07:34:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from george@vagner.com) Received: from laptop (slip139-92-140-57.dub.ie.ibm.net [139.92.140.57]) by ns1.vagner.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA95714; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 07:39:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from george@vagner.com) From: "freebsd" To: "Mike Tancsa" , "Theo Bell" Cc: "Joel Bjork" , , Subject: RE: forcing which SCSI device to boot from Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 07:32:54 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C0042F.87514C40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809122159.02c54660@marble.sentex.ca> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C0042F.87514C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i believe you can "wire down" the device in a kernel config. I done it on a 3.1 system. check the FAQ on www.freebsd.org No 2 things can be the same, they cannot exist in the same space at the same time. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Mike Tancsa Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 6:24 PM To: Theo Bell Cc: Joel Bjork; hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: forcing which SCSI device to boot from At 01:25 PM 8/9/00 -0300, Theo Bell wrote: >Hello, > >I think you may have to disable the one you don't want to boot from in the >BIOS. Hi, Unfortunately there does not seem to be a way to do this in the 3ware card's BIOS :-( Nor does the MB's BIOS give enough granularity to specify which "SCSI device" to boot from. Does anyone have a URL to instructions to create a boot floppy. I am searching through the archives, but am having problems finding the reference to the instructions. ---Mike >Theo Bell >CFDnet.com Development Team >-------------------------------------- > >On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > At 06:01 PM 8/9/00 +0200, Joel Bjork wrote: > > > > >On 09-Aug-00 Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > > > > > > I have an Adaptec 2940 and a 3ware IDE raid card. I have been > booting from > > > > the Adaptec, but when I put the 3ware card in, the drive insists on > booting > > > > from the 3ware. Apart from making a boot floppy disk, is there any > way to > > > > force the drive to boot from the Adaptec ? > > > > > > > > ---Mike > > >Sounds like a BIOS issue, check the bootorder in the Bios, defaults are > > >ususally: floppy, IDE, SCSI > > > > Thanks, but I think the problem is that the BIOS sees the Adaptec and the > > 3ware card BOTH as SCSI devices. > > > > ---Mike > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications mike@sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C0042F.87514C40 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="laszlo george vagner.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="laszlo george vagner.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:vagner;laszlo;george FN:laszlo george vagner ORG:Applied Mechanical;Equipment Services TITLE:Customer Service Engineer NOTE:Ham Radio Call Sign KF7NN TEL;CELL;VOICE:602-410-4197 TEL;HOME;FAX:602-410-1990 ADR;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:;;PMB 149=3D0D=3D0A13729 Research = Blvd.=3D0D=3D0ASuite 610;Austin;Texas;78750-1883;U=3D nited States of America LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:PMB 149=3D0D=3D0A13729 Research = Blvd.=3D0D=3D0ASuite 610=3D0D=3D0AAustin, Texas 78750-18=3D 83=3D0D=3D0AUnited States of America ADR;HOME:;;43923 N. 16th street;New River;Arizona;85087;United States of = America LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:43923 N. 16th street=3D0D=3D0ANew = River, Arizona 85087=3D0D=3D0AUnited States of Ame=3D rica URL:http://vagner.com URL:http://appliedmech.com EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:george@vagner.com REV:20000301T182751Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C0042F.87514C40-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 8:48: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from cage.simianscience.com (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E2D37BDB8; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:47:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from chimp (chimp [192.168.0.2]) by cage.simianscience.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20685; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:47:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000812113925.0380a868@mail.sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@mail.sentex.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:41:40 -0400 To: george@vagner.com From: Mike Tancsa Subject: RE: forcing which SCSI device to boot from Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000809122159.02c54660@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks, but its not getting to that point where that will make a difference. The BIOS is trying to boot from the 3ware drive which does not have anything on it, let alone a /kernel. At 07:32 AM 8/12/2000 +0200, freebsd wrote: >i believe you can "wire down" the device in a kernel config. > >I done it on a 3.1 system. > >check the FAQ on www.freebsd.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Network Administration, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 11:25:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC4B37B676 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:25:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02019; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:25:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA63617; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:25:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008121825.LAA63617@vashon.polstra.com> To: hardware@freebsd.org Reply-To: hardware@freebsd.org Cc: steve@inc.net Subject: Re: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2) In-Reply-To: <3994CF7F.4E0DBAB7@inc.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20000811235229.00a87950@mail-hub.optonline.net> <3994CF7F.4E0DBAB7@inc.net> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <3994CF7F.4E0DBAB7@inc.net>, Steve Kaczkowski wrote: > Bigwillie wrote: > > > > What could be done. I also have a rotary box, and sometimes the keyboard > > and mouse go out on me. Im just looking for a cheap alternative, who makes > > a cheap "real" kvm switch???? > > Take a look at Belkin stuff, fairly priced and works well.. Really? Yours works well? I have a Belkin OmniView Pro 8-port and it is a piece of junk. It gets terribly confused from time to time, mostly depending on which machine has been rebooted most recently. Booting the Alpha (into either FreeBSD or Tru64 Unix) especially confuses it. I have given up entirely on using it for the mouse and only use it with the keyboard now. Still it gets itself into a horrible mess on a regular basis. Following Belkin's recommended procedure of resetting it by pressing both buttons simultaneously has never worked for me even once. In fact it invariably makes things worse. There have been times when I've had to shut down all 7 systems attached to it and bring them all back up from scratch. Usually, though, just rebooting the NT box on it is enough to get it working again. That tells me everything I need to know about Belkin's test environment. I think the firmware in the box must have been written by the company plumber, or maybe the carpenter. They should have stuck with rotary switches at that company. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 11:33:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.dcnv.com (mail.dcnv.com [216.33.117.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C0737C046 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:33:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aedmonds@digitalconvergence.com) Received: from digitalconvergence.com (dallas [207.158.100.67]) by mail.dcnv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27380; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 13:31:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from aedmonds@digitalconvergence.com) Message-ID: <3995988D.B83F76FE@digitalconvergence.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 13:33:49 -0500 From: Alan Edmonds X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@freebsd.org Cc: steve@inc.net Subject: Re: Data Switch kills Mouse(PS/2) References: <4.2.0.58.20000811235229.00a87950@mail-hub.optonline.net> <3994CF7F.4E0DBAB7@inc.net> <200008121825.LAA63617@vashon.polstra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The best KVM I have used is the Outlook series from Apex. They are expensive, but they work. We used them for sharing X terminals and PCs. I could install an HP x terminal (which used PS/2 ports) and share the big monitor, keyboard and three builtin mouse with the user's PC. I had trouble doing this with some of the cheaper KVMs. The older Belkins I had better luck than with their newer stuff. -- Alan Edmonds Director of International Technology DigitalConvergence.:Com aedmonds@digitalconvergence.com Phone: +1-214-292-6040 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message