From owner-freebsd-i18n Sun Oct 22 1:49: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.ninth-circle.org (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4233C37B4C5; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 01:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.ninth-circle.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9M8kC559949; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 10:46:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 10:46:12 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino Cc: "Michael C . Wu" , i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I18N Progress, Plans, and Proposals Message-ID: <20001022104612.A59522@lucifer.bart.nl> References: <20001019033252.A31416@peorth.iteration.net> <20001019201000.30C657E46@starfruit.itojun.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001019201000.30C657E46@starfruit.itojun.org>; from itojun@iijlab.net on Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 05:10:00AM +0900 Organisation: VIA Net.Works The Netherlands Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20001019 22:15], Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino (itojun@iijlab.net) wrote: >>3. Itojun mentioned that the CITRUS Japanese people will be able >> to import the wchar* and libxpg4 changes soon. > > the code is there, but as i talked, we need more manpower for > babysitting. > cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs@citrus.bsdclub.org:/anoncvs/citrus co -P xpg4dl I seriously advice against directly importing the Citrus code. It is very good work and a lot will be borrowed, but on my latest investigations it also made a lot of unnecessary and gratuitous changes. This has been on my plate the last few weeks and I have been consulting all the resources. I'll finally get my subscription to the i18n mailinglist in and post some patches on there. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator VIA Net.Works The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl Old trees, they just grow stronger, old rivers grow wilder every day, old people they just grow lonesome, waiting for someone te say hello in there... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Sun Oct 22 1:54: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from coconut.itojun.org (coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DBAE37B479; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 01:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kiwi.itojun.org (localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id RAA27900; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:53:43 +0900 (JST) To: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Cc: "Michael C . Wu" , i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: jruigrok's message of Sun, 22 Oct 2000 10:46:12 +0200. <20001022104612.A59522@lucifer.bart.nl> X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: I18N Progress, Plans, and Proposals From: itojun@iijlab.net Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:53:43 +0900 Message-ID: <27898.972204823@coconut.itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I seriously advice against directly importing the Citrus code. >It is very good work and a lot will be borrowed, but on my latest >investigations it also made a lot of unnecessary and gratuitous changes. which part looks gratuitous? could you be more specific? itojun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Sun Oct 22 2: 6:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.ninth-circle.org (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F6237B4C5; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 02:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.ninth-circle.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9M93rC60095; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 11:03:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 11:03:53 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: itojun@iijlab.net Cc: "Michael C . Wu" , i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I18N Progress, Plans, and Proposals Message-ID: <20001022110353.B59522@lucifer.bart.nl> References: <20001022104612.A59522@lucifer.bart.nl> <27898.972204823@coconut.itojun.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <27898.972204823@coconut.itojun.org>; from itojun@iijlab.net on Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 05:53:43PM +0900 Organisation: VIA Net.Works The Netherlands Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20001022 10:55], itojun@iijlab.net (itojun@iijlab.net) wrote: > >>I seriously advice against directly importing the Citrus code. >>It is very good work and a lot will be borrowed, but on my latest >>investigations it also made a lot of unnecessary and gratuitous changes. > > which part looks gratuitous? could you be more specific? #ifdef's for FreeBSD. rune_t/_rune_t type recasting _COMPAT_RUNE #ifdef's. for example. But of course, these are _my_ investigations, I might have totally missed the point in what they were trying to do there. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator VIA Net.Works The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl The administration of justice is the firmest pillar of government... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Sun Oct 22 2:13: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from coconut.itojun.org (coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED58A37B4C5; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 02:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kiwi.itojun.org (localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id SAA28325; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:12:52 +0900 (JST) To: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Cc: "Michael C . Wu" , i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: jruigrok's message of Sun, 22 Oct 2000 11:03:53 +0200. <20001022110353.B59522@lucifer.bart.nl> X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: I18N Progress, Plans, and Proposals From: itojun@iijlab.net Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:12:52 +0900 Message-ID: <28323.972205972@coconut.itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> which part looks gratuitous? could you be more specific? >#ifdef's for FreeBSD. we don't do this just for FreeBSD. while it is okay to claim that they should be stripped off on import, i believe you are missing the point. they are not gratuitous. >rune_t/_rune_t type recasting >_COMPAT_RUNE #ifdef's. >for example. as far as I understand, they are basically for backward compatibility with 4.4BSD runelocale code. they are not gratuitous. itojun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Tue Oct 24 11:20:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB0C37B479; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9OIKCn87737; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:20:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA17394; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:20:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200010241820.MAA17394@harmony.village.org> To: "Michael C . Wu" Subject: Re: I18N Progress, Plans, and Proposals Cc: Johan Granlund , i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:50:33 CDT." <20001020135033.A39526@peorth.iteration.net> References: <20001020135033.A39526@peorth.iteration.net> <20001019033252.A31416@peorth.iteration.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:20:05 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20001020135033.A39526@peorth.iteration.net> "Michael C . Wu" writes: : | I _still_ like VAX/VMS ability to be "talked" up thru the boot process. : : Er, *meep* too young to know what you are talking about %SYS-I-STARTED, System has started %SYSMON-I-RUNNING, System monitoring process running %LIB-W-NOTFOUND, Cannot fine SYS$MANAGER:LOCAL_STARTUP.COM %BSD-E-NOIMP, Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Sat Oct 28 14: 4:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE21C37B4C5; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 14:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9C1005730B; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 16:04:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 16:04:38 -0500 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: i18n@freebsd.org Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Need dotfiles for various L10N groups Message-ID: <20001028160438.A86353@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline [cc'ed to -hackers because I know that not everyone reads -i18n] Hello everyone, I am trying to collect various dotfiles (.cshrc, .profile, .Xresources, .Xdefaults, ~/.*) for various language localization groups. As I discussed with Nik Clayton, I hope to create /usr/share/skel/{chinese, japanese, french, russian, korean, vietnamese *} Then I will add an option to adduser(8) and sysinstall configure to choose whatever language you want the user to have. However, since I don't speak so many languages, I need your help. :) Please email me the dotfiles that you use, and I will clean them up for review. Right now we need the following: (Please tell me if your language group does not appear here) All of the European languages, including but not limited to French, British English, Spanish, Portugese, Danish, German, Russian, Italian, Finnish Do locales exist for Brazilian Portugese or places like South Africa? Asian Languages: Chinese(traditional, simplified, cantonese), Japanese (JIS, EUC, etc.), Korean, Vietnamese (Yes, I am ignoring en_US.ISO8859-1. ;) ) -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: d+phPyMCvh1DnxMMa4AhPiboysZ6NyiU iQA/AwUBOfsxVXfOKcWPoS4gEQK8HgCg2WNSxz/cgXyCRQkgt+F/nUlh8vsAmwcC atoVNfygR6h66HHO+qWnymAQ =Vr9P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Sat Oct 28 16:12:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C6B37B479; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 16:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9SNCS804076; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 00:12:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 00:12:28 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "Michael C . Wu" Cc: i18n@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Need dotfiles for various L10N groups Message-ID: <20001029001228.A4049@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20001028160438.A86353@peorth.iteration.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001028160438.A86353@peorth.iteration.net>; from keichii@iteration.net on Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 04:04:38PM -0500 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 04:04:38PM -0500, Michael C . Wu wrote: > I am trying to collect various dotfiles (.cshrc, .profile, .Xresources, > .Xdefaults, ~/.*) for various language localization groups. > As I discussed with Nik Clayton, I hope to create > /usr/share/skel/{chinese, japanese, french, russian, korean, vietnamese *} Shouldn't these be /usr/share/skel/{ja_JP.eucJP, zh_TW.Big5, ...} to cater for the same language/multiple encodings problem? N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Sat Oct 28 16:28:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from wolf.istc.kiev.ua (wolf.istc.kiev.ua [193.193.221.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E4137B479; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 16:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kunia@localhost) by wolf.istc.kiev.ua ( . . / . . ) with ESMTP id CAA03619; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 02:26:18 +0300 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 02:26:18 +0300 (EEST) From: Olexander Kunytsa To: Nik Clayton Cc: "Michael C . Wu" , i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need dotfiles for various L10N groups In-Reply-To: <20001029001228.A4049@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 29 Oct 2000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > I am trying to collect various dotfiles (.cshrc, .profile, .Xresources, > > .Xdefaults, ~/.*) for various language localization groups. > > As I discussed with Nik Clayton, I hope to create > > /usr/share/skel/{chinese, japanese, french, russian, korean, vietnamese *} > > Shouldn't these be /usr/share/skel/{ja_JP.eucJP, zh_TW.Big5, ...} to cater > for the same language/multiple encodings problem? > It would be better to use in such way, I think. I myself can make /usr/share/skel/uk_UA.KOI8-U/* for Ukrainian lang To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Sat Oct 28 21:33:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0041E37B479; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 062DE5730B; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 23:33:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 23:33:37 -0500 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: Olexander Kunytsa Cc: Nik Clayton , i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need dotfiles for various L10N groups Message-ID: <20001028233337.A88806@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" References: <20001029001228.A4049@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from kunia@wolf.istc.kiev.ua on Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 02:26:18AM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 02:26:18AM +0300, Olexander Kunytsa scribbled: | On Sun, 29 Oct 2000, Nik Clayton wrote: | > > I am trying to collect various dotfiles (.cshrc, .profile, .Xresources, | > > .Xdefaults, ~/.*) for various language localization groups. | > > As I discussed with Nik Clayton, I hope to create | > > /usr/share/skel/{chinese, japanese, french, russian, korean, vietnamese *} | > | > Shouldn't these be /usr/share/skel/{ja_JP.eucJP, zh_TW.Big5, ...} to cater | > for the same language/multiple encodings problem? | > | It would be better to use in such way, I think. I myself can make | /usr/share/skel/uk_UA.KOI8-U/* for Ukrainian lang Yes, you are right. I failed to remember this and I will do it this way. -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message