From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 1 0:59: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fil.net (mail.fil.net [202.57.102.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8742D14DC7 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 00:58:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@fil.net) Received: from fil.net ([202.57.102.6]) by mail.fil.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62) with ESMTP id 121; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 16:58:37 +0800 Message-ID: <386DC1BA.64D04959@fil.net> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 16:58:34 +0800 From: "Dave" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jahanur Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Public ntp servers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org jahanur wrote: > > I have created the drift file but left it empty becuase I dont know how > much is the offset time is. So I thought I was doing somthing wrong. I > just wanted to make sure. > > Thank You again. > > Jahanur I always just copy my "standard" ntp.conf file into /etc directory and add to the bottom of /etc/rc.conf: xntpd_enable="YES" xntpd_flags="-c /etc/ntp.conf" My ntp.conf file says: server clock.nc.fukuoka-u.ac.jp driftfile /etc/ntp.drift You will want to use something close and upstream to you. (I'm in the Philippines and buy bandwidth from Japan.) REBOOT and about an hour later xntpd creates and writes the /etc/ntp.drift file for me. I am told adding more servers will make you more stable, but I have yet to find the one I use down. I am not sure if you just add more lines like: server clock.nc.fukuoka-u.ac.jp There is something in the man about priorities, but I never figured it out... Anyone care to offer a sample? Dave -- ----------------------------------- Filipino Network Solution - Fil.Net ----------------------------------- ********************************************************* *** I switched to FreeBSD from When?Doze because... *** *** I never knew When? - It was going to Doze! ;) *** ********************************************************* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 1 5:43:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns2.jjsoft.com (fig2.figdav.com [208.152.114.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1C214F74 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 05:43:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jahanur@jjsoft.com) Received: from localhost (jahanur@localhost) by ns2.jjsoft.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA08875; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 07:43:35 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 07:43:35 -0600 (CST) From: jahanur To: Dave Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Public ntp servers In-Reply-To: <386DC1BA.64D04959@fil.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Happy new year to you. Thank you for the help. Jahanur On Sat, 1 Jan 2000, Dave wrote: > jahanur wrote: > > > > I have created the drift file but left it empty becuase I dont know how > > much is the offset time is. So I thought I was doing somthing wrong. I > > just wanted to make sure. > > > > Thank You again. > > > > Jahanur > > I always just copy my "standard" ntp.conf file into /etc > directory and add to the bottom of /etc/rc.conf: > > xntpd_enable="YES" > xntpd_flags="-c /etc/ntp.conf" > > My ntp.conf file says: > > server clock.nc.fukuoka-u.ac.jp > driftfile /etc/ntp.drift > > > You will want to use something close and upstream to you. > (I'm in the Philippines and buy bandwidth from Japan.) > > REBOOT and about an hour later xntpd creates and writes the > /etc/ntp.drift file for me. > > I am told adding more servers will make you more stable, but > I have yet to find the one I use down. I am not sure if you > just add more lines like: > server clock.nc.fukuoka-u.ac.jp > > There is something in the man about priorities, but I never > figured it out... Anyone care to offer a sample? > > Dave > > -- > ----------------------------------- > Filipino Network Solution - Fil.Net > ----------------------------------- > > ********************************************************* > *** I switched to FreeBSD from When?Doze because... *** > *** I never knew When? - It was going to Doze! ;) *** > ********************************************************* > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 1 8:37: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from shadows.aeon.net (shadows.aeon.net [195.197.32.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D6514E2A; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 08:36:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsdisp@shadows.aeon.net) Received: (from bsdisp@localhost) by shadows.aeon.net (8.9.3/8.8.3) id SAA60402; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 18:38:04 +0200 (EET) From: mika ruohotie Message-Id: <200001011638.SAA60402@shadows.aeon.net> Subject: Re: uptimes, Woo Hoo In-Reply-To: <386D0764.29C12FD4@pipeline.ch> from Andre Oppermann at "Dec 31, 1999 08:43:32 pm" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 18:38:04 +0200 (EET) Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > $ uname -a > FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 2.2.5-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE > $ uptime > 8:29PM up 492 days, 15:31, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 thought i'd add my contribution too... fire% uname -a FreeBSD fire 3.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #0: Tue Dec 16 21:37:18 EET 1997 root@fire:/usr/src/sys/compile/FIRE i386 fire% uptime 2:15AM up 745 days, 22:23, 1 user, load averages: 0.05, 0.01, 0.00 fire% it's weekend, machine's not doing much. and i _was_ slightly unaware what would happen. since i tested y2k with its sistermachine, i'm sure the bios will not blow up if i have to reboot. oh, and i thought people say "dont use current on production". :> the machine was physically installed that particular day, dec 16th. and i've seen loads as high as 2-3 in times... whoops, the clock has drifted slightly, it thinks it's already jan 2nd. happy new year and patience in waiting still another year until the hype millennium comes... =) mickey -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 1 9:54:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from federation.addy.com (federation.addy.com [208.11.142.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4FBE15057 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 09:54:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@federation.addy.com) Received: from localhost (jim@localhost) by federation.addy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29950 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 12:54:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jim@federation.addy.com) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 12:54:18 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Sander Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: MUA as shell for mail-only accounts? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We have several hundred "email-only" accounts with pine as their login shell. The problem is that pine is a really powerfull mail tool that allows all sorts of "dangerous" things. I set up pine.conf.fixed (in /usr/local/etc if you install from the port) to disallow certain things, and hard-coded other options... No suspend, no custom print, no pipe, alternate speller locked to /usr/local/bin/ispell, alternate editor locked to vi- with the option to disallow subshells. I also set "user home dir" to marginally protect non-user files from them. There are probably a few other things too- basically I went through the list of tricks I've used or seen used to get "real" shells on systems with non-standard ones (freenets do this a lot) and either fixed or disabled the option. The problem with this is that "normal" users (well, mainly me) who wanted to use all the fancy features of pine couldn't. So what I did recently was make a slight alteration to the port's makefile to create "rpine" - basically all I did was change the location/name of the pine.conf.fixed file so that I could have two pine binaries. One "plain " and one "restricted" - it took me about 30 minutes of studying the port and setting up the rpine.conf.fixed My goal was to prevent users from executing arbitrary binaries on the system, but still allow creation of files in their home directories. If you want to restrict them further it wouldn't be terribly difficult. Maybe we can all compare notes sometime? A better way to do this might be to set up monitoring processes in cron to use sockstat or process accounting, or something else to find users running processes they shouldn't. I'll probably set up something to look for "email only" users running anything but pine- can't be that hard. This hypothetical process can either summarily terminate them (and maybe lock the account) or simply make a note of it somehow for future action. If anyone needs the exact formula for making "rpine" I can probably describe it when I get to the office on Monday. Or is it Tuesday- guess I ought to find out soon. :) -=Jim=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 2 14:15:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from surf.iae.nl (surf.IAE.nl [194.151.66.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD5B914F1B for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 14:15:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wjw@iae.nl) Received: by surf.iae.nl (Postfix, from userid 74) id A0545BFD1A; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 23:15:16 +0100 (CET) To: oppermann@pipeline.ch Subject: Re: uptimes, Woo Hoo X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd.isp In-Reply-To: <386D0764.29C12FD4@pipeline.ch> References: Organization: Internet Access Eindhoven BV Cc: isp@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20000102221516.A0545BFD1A@surf.iae.nl> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 23:15:16 +0100 (CET) From: wjw@iae.nl (Willem Jan Withagen) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <386D0764.29C12FD4@pipeline.ch> you write: >$ uname -a >FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 2.2.5-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE >$ uptime > 8:29PM up 492 days, 15:31, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 This one I can beat: FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE (ROUTER5) #0: Fri Aug 14 16:12:53 CEST 1998 bash$ uptime 11:25PM up 501 days, 5:51, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 This box is even used as a router with so heavy loaded segments and OSPF routing. --WJW Moral: If it ain't broken, don't fix it. -- Internet Access Eindhoven BV., voice: +31-40-2 393 393, data: +31-40-2 606 606 P.O. 928, 5600 AX Eindhoven, The Netherlands Full Internet connectivity for only fl 9.95 a month. Call now, and login as 'new'. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 2 21: 4:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from complx.LF.net (complx.LF.net [212.118.160.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0193415353 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 21:04:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lists@complx.LF.net) Received: by complx.LF.net (Smail3.2.0.106/complx.LF.net) via LF.net GmbH Internet Services from lists for isp@freebsd.org for host hub.freebsd.org id m124zfN-000MLZC; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 06:04:25 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 06:04:25 +0100 From: Kurt Jaeger auf Mailinglisten To: Willem Jan Withagen Cc: oppermann@pipeline.ch, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: uptimes, Woo Hoo Message-ID: <20000103060425.A22468@complx.LF.net> References: <386D0764.29C12FD4@pipeline.ch> <20000102221516.A0545BFD1A@surf.iae.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <20000102221516.A0545BFD1A@surf.iae.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 11:15:16PM +0100, Willem Jan Withagen wrote: > In article <386D0764.29C12FD4@pipeline.ch> you write: > >$ uname -a > >FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 2.2.5-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE > >$ uptime > > 8:29PM up 492 days, 15:31, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > > FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE (ROUTER5) #0: Fri Aug 14 16:12:53 CEST 1998 > > bash$ uptime > 11:25PM up 501 days, 5:51, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > > This box is even used as a router with so heavy loaded segments and > OSPF routing. obcore$ uname -a FreeBSD core.oberon.net 2.1.6-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.1.6-RELEASE #0: Sun Feb 9 18:38:17 MET 1997 rodney@dcore.LF.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/CORE i386 obcore$ uptime 7:53AM up 845 days, 10:12, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 obcore$ Yes, it *is* our core router and it does gated/OSPF. Traffic is light. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 2 23:25:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from s01.arpa-canada.net (s01.arpa-canada.net [216.95.146.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C1F14F56 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 23:25:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@BabCom.ORG) Received: by s01.arpa-canada.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id ADF1CB885; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 02:25:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s01.arpa-canada.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A70C710 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 02:25:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 02:25:30 -0500 (EST) From: matt X-Sender: matt@s01.arpa-canada.net To: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: FTP Style client for SCP(1) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I'm not sure if this would be the appropriate list, but it is ISP related, and the server is FreeBSD so... I'm running SSHv1, and I'd like to be able to shut down FTP all together and make my customers use SSH/SCP. I've got them doing this for logins already, but I need to find a GUI Windows client that'll interface with SCP like FTP so that the customers can figure it all out. I've never seen something like this before, but I'm sure it exists somewhere, has anyone here heard of something like that, or could point me in the right direction? Thanks. Matt -- "If the primates that we came from had known that someday politicians would come out of the...the gene pool, they'd a stayed up in the trees and written evolution off as a bad idea. Hell, I always thought the opposable thumb was overrated." -Sheridan, "A Distant Star" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 2 23:38:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from matthew.uk1.vbc.net (matthew.uk1.vbc.net [194.207.2.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6ED14D6A for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 23:38:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdd@vbc.net) Received: from localhost (jdd@localhost) by matthew.uk1.vbc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA42259; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 07:38:26 GMT (envelope-from jdd@vbc.net) X-Authentication-Warning: matthew.uk1.vbc.net: jdd owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 07:38:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Dixon X-Sender: jdd@matthew.uk1.vbc.net Reply-To: jdd@vbc.net To: matt Cc: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: FTP Style client for SCP(1) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-NCC-RegID: uk.vbcnet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, matt wrote: > > I'm not sure if this would be the appropriate list, but it is ISP related, > and the server is FreeBSD so... I'm running SSHv1, and I'd like to be able > to shut down FTP all together and make my customers use SSH/SCP. > > I've got them doing this for logins already, but I need to find a GUI > Windows client that'll interface with SCP like FTP so that the customers > can figure it all out. > > I've never seen something like this before, but I'm sure it exists > somewhere, has anyone here heard of something like that, or could point me > in the right direction? Thanks. Putty, a Windows ssh package, has an scp component. http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty -- Jim Dixon VBCnet GB Ltd http://www.vbc.net tel +44 117 929 1316 fax +44 117 927 2015 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 3 8:57:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail-smtp.socket.net (mail-smtp.socket.net [216.106.1.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A86152AD for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 08:57:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vaevictus@socket.net) Received: from socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.1.7]) by mail-smtp.socket.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA14500 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:35:39 -0600 Received: from nathanm.office.socket.net ([216.106.0.22]) by socket.net ; Mon, 03 Jan 2000 10:32:18 -0600 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:56:49 -0600 (CST) From: n8 X-Sender: vaevictus@nathanm.office.socket.net To: Kurt Jaeger auf Mailinglisten Cc: Willem Jan Withagen , oppermann@pipeline.ch, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: uptimes, Woo Hoo In-Reply-To: <20000103060425.A22468@complx.LF.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are you guys on some sort of special powergrid or something? I've got APC 1400's and 3100's, yet they still don't save me from some outages.... what's you guys's setup? Vae On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, Kurt Jaeger auf Mailinglisten wrote: > Hi! > > On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 11:15:16PM +0100, Willem Jan Withagen wrote: > > In article <386D0764.29C12FD4@pipeline.ch> you write: > > >$ uname -a > > >FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 2.2.5-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE > > >$ uptime > > > 8:29PM up 492 days, 15:31, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > > > > FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE (ROUTER5) #0: Fri Aug 14 16:12:53 CEST 1998 > > > > bash$ uptime > > 11:25PM up 501 days, 5:51, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > > > > This box is even used as a router with so heavy loaded segments and > > OSPF routing. > > obcore$ uname -a > FreeBSD core.oberon.net 2.1.6-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.1.6-RELEASE #0: Sun Feb 9 18:38:17 MET 1997 rodney@dcore.LF.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/CORE i386 > obcore$ uptime > 7:53AM up 845 days, 10:12, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > obcore$ > > Yes, it *is* our core router and it does gated/OSPF. Traffic is light. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 3 9:50:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from host1.premier-hosting.com (host1.premier-hosting.com [206.47.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE7314DC5 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 09:50:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@premier-networks.com) Received: from premier-networks.com (ppp175.premier-dialup.com [206.47.86.175]) by host1.premier-hosting.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA59764 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:49:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3870E02F.F009C325@premier-networks.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 12:45:20 -0500 From: paul@premier-networks.com Organization: Premier Networks X-Sender: "" <@host1.premier-hosting.com> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD -Premier (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Offtopic: perl Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there.. my apologies for an offtopic post.. please reply via email to stop replies to this list... I have a series of HTML pages (1000+) that I need to place a particular set of html statements with another statement... anyone know of a simple Perl program that will do this... a friend of mine gave me a one liner that worked fine but I've since lost it... Thanks again and sorry to bother everyone...;) Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 3 12:23: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from chloroplast.c-zone.net (chloroplast.c-zone.net [216.190.4.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 307D4151FD for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:23:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bdan@c-zone.net) Received: from slave (slave.c-zone.net [216.190.4.248]) by chloroplast.c-zone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA10336 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:17:54 -0800 Message-ID: <000701bf5628$3b186bc0$f804bed8@czone.net> Reply-To: "Dan Babb" From: "Dan Babb" To: Subject: large password file Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:22:17 -0800 Organization: C-Zone Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i don't know if this pertains to this list, but since i run my isp with freebsd, and i'm an isp this seemed most reasonable. currently i use ISPPower to interface with my machine (i know .. shoot me) and its starting to take a very long time to build accounts or even edit the master.passwd file via vipw i was curious .. what do isps do when their password file reaches 6k to 7k .. to use still use the master.passwd file .. or is there some other option to use, or something different? btw .. i'm also looking for new billing software. currently looking at rodopi(?) for billing, but i'd like to hear some feedback on any types of software billing at all possible thanks, -d -d To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 3 13:19:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from asgaard.whispering.org (208-241-93-179.hsacorp.net [208.241.93.179]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C7A15064 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:19:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from shadow.blackdawn.com (14-098.008.popsite.net [209.69.195.98]) by asgaard.whispering.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA81079; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 16:19:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: (from will@localhost) by shadow.blackdawn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07121; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 16:19:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from will) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3870E02F.F009C325@premier-networks.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 16:19:07 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: Will Andrews From: Will Andrews To: paul@premier-networks.com Subject: RE: Offtopic: perl Question Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 03-Jan-00 paul@premier-networks.com wrote: > Hi there.. my apologies for an offtopic post.. please reply via email to > stop replies to this list... > > I have a series of HTML pages (1000+) that I need to place a particular > set of html statements with another statement... anyone know of a simple > Perl program that will do this... a friend of mine gave me a one liner > that worked fine but I've since lost it... perl -pi -e "s:replace this:with this:g" file Whenever you need to remember this, look it up in the -isp archive. -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 3 13:23:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from postfix2.free.fr (postfix2.free.fr [212.27.32.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC711507D for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:23:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from m.hallgren@free.fr) Received: from roam (paris11-nas6-24-221.dial.proxad.net [213.228.24.221]) by postfix2.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id A924174407; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:23:13 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00ce01bf5630$c7502300$7adcfea9@roam> From: "Michael Hallgren" To: , References: <3870E02F.F009C325@premier-networks.com> Subject: Re: Offtopic: perl Question Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:23:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi there.. my apologies for an offtopic post.. please reply via email to > stop replies to this list... > > I have a series of HTML pages (1000+) that I need to place a particular > set of html statements with another statement... anyone know of a simple > Perl program that will do this... a friend of mine gave me a one liner > that worked fine but I've since lost it... Something along the lines perl -pi -e 's/(foo)/$1 bar/ig' * would most likely be a way to consider ? mh > > Thanks again and sorry to bother everyone...;) > > Paul > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 3 14:54:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from complx.LF.net (complx.LF.net [212.118.160.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3881514D for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:54:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lists@complx.LF.net) Received: by complx.LF.net (Smail3.2.0.106/complx.LF.net) via LF.net GmbH Internet Services from lists for isp@freebsd.org for host hub.freebsd.org id m125GMz-000MLaC; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 23:54:33 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 23:54:33 +0100 From: Kurt Jaeger auf Mailinglisten To: n8 Cc: Willem Jan Withagen , oppermann@pipeline.ch, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: uptimes, Woo Hoo Message-ID: <20000103235433.B22468@complx.LF.net> References: <20000103060425.A22468@complx.LF.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! On Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 10:56:49AM -0600, n8 wrote: > > obcore$ uptime > > 7:53AM up 845 days, 10:12, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > > obcore$ > Are you guys on some sort of special powergrid or something? It's called the european power grid, a large, interconnected grid of almost all power plants in Europe, from Norway down to Italy. Pretty robust. We also have UPSs, but this particular server is not connected to one. Why ? Answer: Because up to now, it was not the power grid that failed, but the UPS (most of them from APC, where does their reputation is coming from ?). In the future, only systems with two seperate power supplies that connect to two different UPSs make any sense to me. Too expensive for all equipment, but well... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 3 17:25:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from staff.accessus.net (staff.accessus.net [209.145.151.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18BDD150D0 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 17:25:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doogie@accessus.net) Received: by staff.accessus.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 19:25:26 -0600 Message-ID: From: Jason Young To: 'Dan Babb' , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: large password file Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 19:16:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You need to increase the cache size of pwd_mkdb, I believe this can be done on the command line or by recompiling the program. See the manpage. You should be able to get the time down to a couple of seconds. Talk to ISPPower about Prism, it's basically ISPPower SQL-based, as I understand it. We use it here for ~12,000 customers, and it doesn't suck as bad as everything else out there, which we've already tried. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Babb [mailto:bdan@c-zone.net] > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 2:22 PM > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: large password file > > > i don't know if this pertains to this list, but since i run > my isp with > freebsd, and i'm an isp this seemed most reasonable. > > currently i use ISPPower to interface with my machine (i know > .. shoot me) > and its starting to take a very long time to build accounts > or even edit the > master.passwd file via vipw > > i was curious .. what do isps do when their password file > reaches 6k to 7k > .. to use still use the master.passwd file .. or is there > some other option > to use, or something different? > > btw .. i'm also looking for new billing software. currently > looking at > rodopi(?) for billing, but i'd like to hear some feedback on > any types of > software billing at all possible > > thanks, > -d > > -d > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 3 23:56:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cronus.medianetwork.se (cronus.medianetwork.se [193.14.204.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEEEF15025 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 23:56:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dl@tyfon.net) Received: from junglenote.com (digital02.medianetwork.se [193.14.204.220]) by cronus.medianetwork.se (8.9.3/8.7) with ESMTP id KAA01137 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:04:53 +0100 Received: from enigmatic by junglenote.com with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.84.R) for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2000 09:03:06 +0100 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:03:05 +0100 Message-ID: <01BF5692.82E2F870.dl@tyfon.net> From: Dan Larsson To: "[FreeBSD-Questions-List] (E-post)" , "[FreeBSD-ISP-List] (E-post)" Subject: UUCP Service Unavailable Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:03:03 +0100 Organization: Tyfon Internet Services [ http://tyfon.net ] X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet-e-post/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Return-Path: dl@tyfon.net Reply-To: dl@tyfon.net Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org During high load sometimes sendmail reports 'Service Unavailable' when recieving mail over UUCP. Are there any newer versions or patches for the Taylor UUCP package available to mend this? FYI: FreeBSD-3.2R / sendmail-8.9.3 Regards ------------ Dan Larsson Tyfon Internet Services Portabla Datorer AB http://tyfon.net : http://pod.nu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 4 4:47:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gtw.net (yavin.gtw.net [208.33.253.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 83A9614A18 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 04:47:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@day-light.com) Received: (qmail 18274 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2000 12:47:26 -0000 Received: from pm3-40.gtw.net (HELO s1-nt) (208.33.252.40) by yavin.gtw.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2000 12:47:26 -0000 From: "John Brooks" To: "'Jason Young'" , Subject: RE: large password file Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 06:48:29 -0600 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Message-Id: <20000104124718.83A9614A18@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What is the URL for this ISPPower and/or Prism? Thanks, John -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jason Young Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 7:16 PM Talk to ISPPower about Prism, it's basically ISPPower SQL-based, as I understand it. We use it here for ~12,000 customers, and it doesn't suck as bad as everything else out there, which we've already tried. :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 4 7:44:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from Astrovan.cstone.net (mailstop.cstone.net [205.197.102.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A07014C81 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 07:44:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from highway@cstone.net) Received: from cstone.net (snowcrash.cstone.net [209.145.66.12]) by Astrovan.cstone.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59789U13500L1350S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:39:30 -0500 Message-ID: <38721649.92B0F151@cstone.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 10:48:25 -0500 From: Sean Michael Whipkey Organization: Cornerstone Networks, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Web-based POP3 mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Howdy, We're looking for a web-based e-mail client for traveling users that can access normal POP3 clients. We've experimented with Endymion MailMan in the past, and the performance isn't that great - and their Y2K bug has been a) annoying and b) fixed while breaking something else in the latest release. Does anyone else have a suggestion for such a thing? Thanks, SeanMike -- SeanMike Whipkey - highway@cstone.net - http://www.cstone.net Engineering Department, Cornerstone Networks, Inc. - 804.817.7000 "This is a world where a geomantically-trained ninja interior decorator can wreak havoc." - Feng Shui [paraphrased] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 4 8: 1:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.tcworks.net (ns.tcworks.net [216.61.218.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE74150B3 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:01:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Received: from tcworks.net (xcess@stuck.sticky.org [216.61.218.6]) by ns.tcworks.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA36882; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:59:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Message-ID: <3872188E.6FF6E9E4@tcworks.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 09:58:06 -0600 From: Chris Cook X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Michael Whipkey Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web-based POP3 mail References: <38721649.92B0F151@cstone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sean Michael Whipkey wrote: > > Howdy, > > We're looking for a web-based e-mail client for traveling users that can > access normal POP3 clients. We've experimented with Endymion MailMan in > the past, and the performance isn't that great - and their Y2K bug has > been a) annoying and b) fixed while breaking something else in the > latest release. > > Does anyone else have a suggestion for such a thing? > We use and love atdot. http://www.atdot.org -- Chris o----< ccook@tcworks.net >----------------------------------------o |Chris Cook - Technician | TCWORKS.NET - http://www.tcworks.net | |The Computer Works | FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org | o-----------------------------------------------------------------o To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 4 8:35:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from liberty.bulinfo.net (liberty.bulinfo.net [212.72.195.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 29867150C5 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:35:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from krassi@bulinfo.net) Received: (qmail 44513 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2000 16:34:48 -0000 Received: from pythia.bulinfo.net (HELO bulinfo.net) (212.72.195.5) by liberty.bulinfo.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2000 16:34:48 -0000 Message-ID: <3872218A.5CA43C7A@bulinfo.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 18:36:26 +0200 From: Krassimir Slavchev Organization: Bulinfo Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, greebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: gated/OSPF or xl0 problem? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, We running gated 3.5.10 on FreeBSD-3.2 machine and have a problem. This is from gated log file: OSPF RECV Area 0.0.0.0 111.222.333.1 -> 224.0.0.5: LS UPD: neighbor state low OSPF RECV Area 0.0.0.0 111.222.333.3 -> 224.0.0.5: LS ACK: neighbor state low OSPF RECV Area 0.0.0.0 111.222.333.5 -> 224.0.0.6: LS ACK: neighbor state low OSPF RECV Area 0.0.0.0 111.222.333.7 -> 224.0.0.6: LS ACK: neighbor state low OSPF RECV Area 0.0.0.0 111.222.333.9 -> 224.0.0.6: LS ACK: neighbor state low All routers running gated and have same gated.conf files and work fine except one. On this machine NIC is 3C905 with xl driver (same card work fine under Linux). Because on this machine are running critical applications it is not advisable to stop it to replace the NIC. Any hints will be welcome. Best Regards -- Krassimir Slavchev Bulinfo Ltd. krassi@bulinfo.net (+359-2)963-3652 http://www.bulinfo.net (+359-2)963-3764 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 4 9:31:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.trigger.net (ns.trigger.net [204.50.18.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E69814D90 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:31:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsdnews@trigger.net) Received: from mike (evil.sysadmin.trigger.net [204.50.18.204]) by ns.trigger.net (8.9.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA79606 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:26:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004001bf56d9$09d773b0$cc1232cc@trigger.net> From: "bsdnews" To: Subject: FTPd Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:27:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We have a ftp server at work that serves both as an Anonymous ftp, and normal ftp for users to upload their web pages, etc. Now I would like to restrict anon ftp to only my subnet, without effecting normal ftp (so that users that don't have dialup with us can still upload their web content) Is there any way to do this with my configuration? Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 4 12:29:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from zoe.qserve.net (zoe.qserve.net [207.250.219.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36A814CB5 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:29:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rch@qserve.net) Received: from acidic.qserve.net (acidic.qserve.net [207.250.219.40]) by zoe.qserve.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA08966 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:29:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:29:06 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Hough To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Install Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone have any experience installing FreeBSD to a Compaq Proliant 1500, using the Slot 5 SMART Array EISA card? I've been trying to get this going, but with no luck. FreeBSD just doesn't see any drives... I did try installing Solaris, and it *does* see the logical drives, but it always crashes during the kernel boot process when I try to get it installed -- not that I really wanted to run solaris anyways mind you. :) Any tips/ideas/kick's to the rear would be appreciated, as long as it doesn't hurt. :) -=)> Robert Hough (rch@qserve.net) -=)> Phone: 317-802-3036 Ext. 11 -=)> http://www.qserve.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 4 12:29:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from staff.accessus.net (staff.accessus.net [209.145.151.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B5214C1C for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:29:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jyoung@accessus.net) Received: by staff.accessus.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:29:54 -0600 Message-ID: From: Jason Young To: 'John Brooks' , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: large password file Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:29:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.isppower.com is a good start. > -----Original Message----- > From: John Brooks [mailto:john@day-light.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 6:48 AM > To: 'Jason Young'; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: large password file > > > What is the URL for this ISPPower and/or Prism? > > Thanks, John > > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jason Young > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 7:16 PM > > > Talk to ISPPower about Prism, it's basically ISPPower SQL-based, as I > understand it. We use it here for ~12,000 customers, and it > doesn't suck as > bad as everything else out there, which we've already tried. :) > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 4 14:23: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-relay.ahnet.net (ns3.affinity.net [207.213.224.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD2B14D0E for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:23:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sumbry@affinity.net) Received: from sql (sql.ahnet.net [207.213.224.10]) by smtp-relay.ahnet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958F1993C for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 22:32:21 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:22:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Sumbry][" X-Sender: sumbry@sql.ahnet.net To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Zeus Web Server Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone have any experiences w/the Zeus (www.zeus.co.uk) web server running under FreeBSD? Specifically how it compares to Apache and how well it scales. I'd expect that it runs circles around it, mainly because it uses a threaded architecture versus Apache's pre-fork model. Nonetheless, I've got a box here that I'm ready to run through it's paces just to get an idea of improvements, if there are any. ----- Sumbry][ | Affinity Hosting | http://affinity.net | sumbry@affinity.net "Why do they sterilize the needles for lethal injections?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 4 16: 3:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 6B85914E3A; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:03:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF621CD42F; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:03:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:03:45 -0800 (PST) From: Kris Kennaway To: Barrett Richardson Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: uptimes, Woo Hoo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 31 Dec 1999, Barrett Richardson wrote: > Couldn't resist taking a picture of my uptimes (in case they fall > victim to a power outage). The Webserver and Shell Server are lower > than the others because of Stupid Admin Tricks. You should submit these to the server uptimes project, if you haven't already done so. Boosting our stats is a good thing :-) Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 4 16:16:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from peppermint.national.com.au (peppermint.national.com.au [203.57.240.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0D214CA1; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:16:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nconedd@peppermint.national.com.au) Received: (from nconedd@localhost) by peppermint.national.com.au (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id LAA13384; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:16:50 +1100 (EST) From: Enno Davids Message-Id: <200001050016.LAA13384@peppermint.national.com.au> Subject: Re: uptimes, Woo Hoo To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 5 Jan 100 11:16:50 +1100 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0a3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org recently the electrons shaped the message.... | | You should submit these to the server uptimes project, if you haven't | already done so. Boosting our stats is a good thing :-) | Guys, can we halt this thread please. What little interest it had is now gone. It is after all just the OS equivalent of a bunch of guys whipping out their 'old fellas' and comparing length. Yes we're all bigger than NT. I'd certainly hope so though! Enno. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 4 16:29:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from awfulhak.org (dynamic-11.max4-du-ws.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk [212.74.9.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C1614BD7 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:29:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (root@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org [172.16.0.12]) by awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA89238; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:40:07 GMT (envelope-from brian@lan.awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost.lan.Awfulhak.org [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03438; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:43:40 GMT (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200001042343.XAA03438@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.0 09/18/1999 To: "bsdnews" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: FTPd In-Reply-To: Message from "bsdnews" of "Tue, 04 Jan 2000 12:27:55 EST." <004001bf56d9$09d773b0$cc1232cc@trigger.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 23:43:40 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > We have a ftp server at work that serves both as an Anonymous ftp, and > normal ftp for users to upload their web pages, etc. Now I would like to > restrict anon ftp to only my subnet, without effecting normal ftp (so that > users that don't have dialup with us can still upload their web content) Is > there any way to do this with my configuration? I'm no expert with wrappers, but you might get away with a ``twist'' in hosts.allow that runs ftpd with different args.... > Thanks. -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 0:15: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cronus.medianetwork.se (cronus.medianetwork.se [193.14.204.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ADB214CF0 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 00:14:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dl@tyfon.net) Received: from junglenote.com (digital27.medianetwork.se [193.14.204.245]) by cronus.medianetwork.se (8.9.3/8.7) with ESMTP id KAA31496 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:23:08 +0100 Received: from enigmatic by junglenote.com with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.84.R) for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 09:21:18 +0100 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:21:13 +0100 Message-ID: <01BF575E.35F4EF10.dl@tyfon.net> From: Dan Larsson To: "[FreeBSD-ISP-List] (E-post)" , "[FreeBSD-Questions-List] (E-post)" Subject: multisite guestbook solution Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:21:12 +0100 Organization: Tyfon Internet Services [ http://tyfon.net ] X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet-e-post/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Return-Path: dl@tyfon.net Reply-To: dl@tyfon.net Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Many of our customers are demanding some sort of guestbook solution. It needs to be able to run as a cgi and handle multiple virtual hosts. Any tips? Regards ------------ Dan Larsson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 6:28:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dns.sonntag.org (dns.sonntag.org [216.140.186.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE31815033 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 06:28:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aaron@sonntag.org) Received: from win2knoc (st84060.nobell.com [216.140.184.60]) by dns.sonntag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA72933; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 08:28:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from aaron@sonntag.org) From: "Aaron Sonntag" To: "matt" , Cc: "FreeBSD-ISP" Subject: RE: FTP Style client for SCP(1) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 08:25:38 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org SSH/SCP instead of ftp? I know what SSH is... but SCP? How does this combo replace ftp? Thanks Aaron -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jim Dixon Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 1:38 AM To: matt Cc: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: FTP Style client for SCP(1) On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, matt wrote: > > I'm not sure if this would be the appropriate list, but it is ISP related, > and the server is FreeBSD so... I'm running SSHv1, and I'd like to be able > to shut down FTP all together and make my customers use SSH/SCP. > > I've got them doing this for logins already, but I need to find a GUI > Windows client that'll interface with SCP like FTP so that the customers > can figure it all out. > > I've never seen something like this before, but I'm sure it exists > somewhere, has anyone here heard of something like that, or could point me > in the right direction? Thanks. Putty, a Windows ssh package, has an scp component. http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty -- Jim Dixon VBCnet GB Ltd http://www.vbc.net tel +44 117 929 1316 fax +44 117 927 2015 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 8: 8:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from naiad.eclipse.net.uk (naiad.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084B015192 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 08:08:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stuart@eclipse.net.uk) Received: from eclipse.net.uk (elara.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.31]) by naiad.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D8613716; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 16:09:25 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <38736CC9.E8120A53@eclipse.net.uk> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 16:09:45 +0000 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: Eclipse Networking Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aaron Sonntag Cc: matt , jdd@vbc.net, FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: FTP Style client for SCP(1) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > SSH/SCP instead of ftp? I know what SSH is... but SCP? How does this combo > replace ftp? scp uses an ssh channel to securely transfer files. Rather like an encrypted rcp. User interface is command line, for example, scp /tmp/foo user@host:/tmp/bar -or- pscp /tmp/foo user@host:/tmp/bar (putty scp for Windows) Datafellows Windows ssh does not appear to have a gui for transferring files, though it does also come with a command-line ftp-style client. You might find it easier to use a normal ftp client over an ssh or SSL tunnel (which, for ssh, could be a Java applet such as Mindterm or Mindtunnel http://www.mindbright.se/, or a normal ssh client). So clients would connect to a port on their own local host, which would get forwarded over the ssh encrypted /compressed [1] channel. This may need some fiddling - you may have to search around and try things to work out the details of documentation. The original ssh has been ported to run under cygwin, and I guess you could probably wrap a gui around the code to make it a little easier for end-users (otherwise, any documentation would have to be *very* clear and accurate), so there are some things to try. Putty[2] isn't suitable for setting up tunnels (although as a Windows telnet and ssh client, it's very nice - though copying more than one screenful to the clipboard is on the todo list rather than the features list ;) [1] At this point, it might be worth drawing the attention of anyone working at an ISP in a country relying on limited and probably rather expensive international leased lines to the fact that if you have boxes close to the other side of your line on which you can run a proxy and a compressed ssh tunnel, you should be able to make somewhat more effective use of your pipe. [2] with an added note for American readers that they need to find something else if they want to use it legally now rather than after the RSA patents have expired ;-) you can find a copy of Putty here, http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty (If you don't like something about the release version, try the development one instead). It's open source, and the license is free and nonrestrictive. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 8:59:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail-smtp.socket.net (mail-smtp.socket.net [216.106.1.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF0E1540E; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 08:59:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vaevictus@socket.net) Received: from socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.1.7]) by mail-smtp.socket.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA13374; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:34:57 -0600 Received: from nathanm.office.socket.net ([216.106.0.22]) by socket.net ; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 10:34:06 -0600 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:59:05 -0600 (CST) From: n8 X-Sender: vaevictus@nathanm.office.socket.net To: Krassimir Slavchev Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, greebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gated/OSPF or xl0 problem? In-Reply-To: <3872218A.5CA43C7A@bulinfo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org And you've replaced your cabling? I've no clue about gated's issue. But the first rule of specific network problems is to verify the cable. :) The fact that it says "state low" makes me think bad cable. but that's not even $.02 worth. :) Vae On Tue, 4 Jan 2000, Krassimir Slavchev wrote: > Hi all, > We running gated 3.5.10 on FreeBSD-3.2 machine and have a problem. > This is from gated log file: > > OSPF RECV Area 0.0.0.0 111.222.333.1 -> 224.0.0.5: LS UPD: neighbor > state low > OSPF RECV Area 0.0.0.0 111.222.333.3 -> 224.0.0.5: LS ACK: neighbor > state low > OSPF RECV Area 0.0.0.0 111.222.333.5 -> 224.0.0.6: LS ACK: neighbor > state low > OSPF RECV Area 0.0.0.0 111.222.333.7 -> 224.0.0.6: LS ACK: neighbor > state low > OSPF RECV Area 0.0.0.0 111.222.333.9 -> 224.0.0.6: LS ACK: neighbor > state low > > All routers running gated and have same gated.conf files and work fine > except one. > On this machine NIC is 3C905 with xl driver (same card work fine under > Linux). > > Because on this machine are running critical applications it is not > advisable > to stop it to replace the NIC. > > Any hints will be welcome. > > Best Regards > > > -- > Krassimir Slavchev Bulinfo Ltd. > krassi@bulinfo.net (+359-2)963-3652 > http://www.bulinfo.net (+359-2)963-3764 > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 9: 5:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail-smtp.socket.net (mail-smtp.socket.net [216.106.1.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5AC1154F4 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:04:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vaevictus@socket.net) Received: from socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.1.7]) by mail-smtp.socket.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA13799 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:40:18 -0600 Received: from nathanm.office.socket.net ([216.106.0.22]) by socket.net ; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 10:39:28 -0600 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:04:27 -0600 (CST) From: n8 X-Sender: vaevictus@nathanm.office.socket.net To: Kurt Jaeger auf Mailinglisten Cc: Willem Jan Withagen , oppermann@pipeline.ch, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: uptimes, Woo Hoo In-Reply-To: <20000103235433.B22468@complx.LF.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org WOW. Must be nice... I loose power for longer than one hour usually, and it happens every 1-3 MONTHS. I'm starting to feel good about my 75 day uptimes. :) Vae On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, Kurt Jaeger auf Mailinglisten wrote: > Hi! > > On Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 10:56:49AM -0600, n8 wrote: > > > obcore$ uptime > > > 7:53AM up 845 days, 10:12, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > > > obcore$ > > > Are you guys on some sort of special powergrid or something? > > It's called the european power grid, a large, interconnected grid > of almost all power plants in Europe, from Norway down to Italy. > > Pretty robust. We also have UPSs, but this particular server is > not connected to one. Why ? Answer: Because up to now, it was > not the power grid that failed, but the UPS (most of them from APC, > where does their reputation is coming from ?). > > In the future, only systems with two seperate power supplies > that connect to two different UPSs make any sense to me. Too expensive > for all equipment, but well... > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 9:10:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from redbox.venux.net (redbox.venux.net [216.47.238.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0BB15425 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:10:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mitch@venux.net) Received: from inky (inky.venux.net [216.47.238.64]) by redbox.venux.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 62F8A2E20B; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:03:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <034801bf57a0$385a7760$40ee2fd8@venux.net> From: "Mitch Vincent" To: "n8" , "Kurt Jaeger auf Mailinglisten" Cc: "Willem Jan Withagen" , , References: Subject: Re: uptimes, Woo Hoo Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:13:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm curious, what is this box used for, it's version of FreeBSD (or whatever) has to be REALLY old now :-) Still, it's pretty damn cool :-) -Mitch ----- Original Message ----- From: n8 To: Kurt Jaeger auf Mailinglisten Cc: Willem Jan Withagen ; ; Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 12:04 PM Subject: Re: uptimes, Woo Hoo > WOW. Must be nice... > I loose power for longer than one hour usually, and it happens every 1-3 > MONTHS. I'm starting to feel good about my 75 day uptimes. :) > > Vae > > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, Kurt Jaeger auf Mailinglisten wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > On Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 10:56:49AM -0600, n8 wrote: > > > > obcore$ uptime > > > > 7:53AM up 845 days, 10:12, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > > > > obcore$ > > > > > Are you guys on some sort of special powergrid or something? > > > > It's called the european power grid, a large, interconnected grid > > of almost all power plants in Europe, from Norway down to Italy. > > > > Pretty robust. We also have UPSs, but this particular server is > > not connected to one. Why ? Answer: Because up to now, it was > > not the power grid that failed, but the UPS (most of them from APC, > > where does their reputation is coming from ?). > > > > In the future, only systems with two seperate power supplies > > that connect to two different UPSs make any sense to me. Too expensive > > for all equipment, but well... > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 10:10:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.areti.net (meteora.areti.com [193.118.189.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 188541544C for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:10:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ndear@areti.net) Received: from acropolis (ndear@acropolis.noc.areti.net [193.118.189.102]) by post.mail.areti.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Areti-2.0.0) with ESMTP id SAA10549 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 18:10:05 GMT Message-Id: <200001051810.SAA10549@post.mail.areti.net> From: "Nicholas J. Dear" Organization: Areti Internet Ltd. To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 18:06:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: SCSI on FreeBSD. Reply-To: ndear@areti.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, We're just about to go ahead and purchase a new web server, and we've decided on SCSI for definite. Can anyone recommend a middle of the road SCSI controller, (U2W), that will work with FreeBSD (latest version), because I remember the problems we had with some cards and Linux. :) TIA. N. -- Nicholas J. Dear Mail: ndear@areti.net Tel: +44 (0)20-8402-4041 Areti Internet Ltd., http://www.areti.co.uk/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 10:13:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cliff.i-plus.net (cliff.i-plus.net [209.100.20.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDDB5153C1 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:13:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from st@i-plus.net) Received: from ARCADIA (arcadia.i-plus.net [209.100.20.198]) by cliff.i-plus.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA05053 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 13:13:53 -0500 (EST) From: "Troy Settle" To: "FreeBSD ISP" Subject: RE: uptimes, Woo Hoo Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 13:13:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Our power is fairly stable, but it does go out on occasion. The last outage we had lasted about 12 hours. Our UPS (Matrix 3000) only held out for about 6 hours :( I'm trying to get a generator, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen any time soon. -Troy ** -----Original Message----- ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of n8 ** Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 12:04 PM ** To: Kurt Jaeger auf Mailinglisten ** Cc: Willem Jan Withagen; oppermann@pipeline.ch; isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** Subject: Re: uptimes, Woo Hoo ** ** ** WOW. Must be nice... ** I loose power for longer than one hour usually, and it happens every 1-3 ** MONTHS. I'm starting to feel good about my 75 day uptimes. :) ** ** Vae ** ** ** On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, Kurt Jaeger auf Mailinglisten wrote: ** ** > Hi! ** > ** > On Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 10:56:49AM -0600, n8 wrote: ** > > > obcore$ uptime ** > > > 7:53AM up 845 days, 10:12, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, ** 0.00, 0.00 ** > > > obcore$ ** > ** > > Are you guys on some sort of special powergrid or something? ** > ** > It's called the european power grid, a large, interconnected grid ** > of almost all power plants in Europe, from Norway down to Italy. ** > ** > Pretty robust. We also have UPSs, but this particular server is ** > not connected to one. Why ? Answer: Because up to now, it was ** > not the power grid that failed, but the UPS (most of them from APC, ** > where does their reputation is coming from ?). ** > ** > In the future, only systems with two seperate power supplies ** > that connect to two different UPSs make any sense to me. Too expensive ** > for all equipment, but well... ** > ** > ** > ** > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** > ** ** ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 10:16:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from outlier.axl.net (outlier.axl.net [216.66.11.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 29E1A15446 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:16:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@axl.net) Received: (qmail 11546 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2000 18:16:50 -0000 Received: from ws-01.matthennigus.lightningdsl.net (HELO sinister) (216.66.30.66) by outlier.axl.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2000 18:16:50 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Matthew B. Henniges" To: , Subject: RE: SCSI on FreeBSD. Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 13:18:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <200001051810.SAA10549@post.mail.areti.net> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm very happy with the adaptec u2w paired with quantam atlas 10k's Matthew B. Henniges Axl.net Communications http://www.axl.net (203) 552-1714 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Nicholas J. Dear > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 1:06 PM > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: SCSI on FreeBSD. > > > Hi, > > We're just about to go ahead and purchase a new web server, and > we've decided > on SCSI for definite. Can anyone recommend a middle of the road SCSI > controller, (U2W), that will work with FreeBSD (latest version), > because I > remember the problems we had with some cards and Linux. :) > > TIA. > N. > -- > Nicholas J. Dear > Mail: ndear@areti.net Tel: +44 (0)20-8402-4041 > Areti Internet Ltd., http://www.areti.co.uk/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 10:22: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.areti.net (meteora.areti.com [193.118.189.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0058E15479 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:21:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ndear@areti.net) Received: from acropolis (ndear@acropolis.noc.areti.net [193.118.189.102]) by post.mail.areti.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Areti-2.0.0) with ESMTP id SAA11212; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 18:21:54 GMT Message-Id: <200001051821.SAA11212@post.mail.areti.net> From: "Nicholas J. Dear" Organization: Areti Internet Ltd. To: , Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 18:18:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: SCSI on FreeBSD. Reply-To: ndear@areti.net In-reply-to: References: <200001051810.SAA10549@post.mail.areti.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 5 Jan 00, at 13:18, Matthew B. Henniges wrote: > I'm very happy with the adaptec u2w paired with quantam atlas 10k's Any particular model number? :) N. -- Nicholas J. Dear Mail: ndear@areti.net Tel: +44 (0)20-8402-4041 Areti Internet Ltd., http://www.areti.co.uk/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 10:27:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from thud.tbe.net (thud.tbe.net [209.123.109.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3907715466 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:27:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: from localhost (gary@localhost) by thud.tbe.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03301; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 13:23:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 13:23:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: "Matthew B. Henniges" Cc: ndear@areti.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: SCSI on FreeBSD. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ditto with the Adaptec and IBM u2w drives. On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Matthew B. Henniges wrote: > I'm very happy with the adaptec u2w paired with quantam atlas 10k's > > Matthew B. Henniges > Axl.net Communications > http://www.axl.net > (203) 552-1714 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Nicholas J. Dear > > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 1:06 PM > > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: SCSI on FreeBSD. > > > > > > Hi, > > > > We're just about to go ahead and purchase a new web server, and > > we've decided > > on SCSI for definite. Can anyone recommend a middle of the road SCSI > > controller, (U2W), that will work with FreeBSD (latest version), > > because I > > remember the problems we had with some cards and Linux. :) > > > > TIA. > > N. > > -- > > Nicholas J. Dear > > Mail: ndear@areti.net Tel: +44 (0)20-8402-4041 > > Areti Internet Ltd., http://www.areti.co.uk/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 10:31:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED62D154BB for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:31:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA54943; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:31:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:31:19 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: "Nicholas J. Dear" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI on FreeBSD. In-Reply-To: <200001051810.SAA10549@post.mail.areti.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Nicholas J. Dear wrote: > Hi, > > We're just about to go ahead and purchase a new web server, and > we've decided on SCSI for definite. Can anyone recommend a middle > of the road SCSI controller, (U2W), that will work with FreeBSD > (latest version), because I remember the problems we had with some > cards and Linux. :) I'm going to heartily recommend any controller based on the NCR a.k.a. Symbios Logic a.k.a LSI Logic 53c8x5 series. The Tekram DC-390U2B or DC-390U2W would work very well, based on the 53C895. I've been using Gerard Roudier's new sym driver for all of my 53C875 based controllers and it works very, very well. The sym driver is available in both STABLE and CURRENT. The ncr driver is older and more well tested, but it won't perform as well as the new sym driver, and may not even handle error recovery as well as the sym driver. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and Alpha architectures. ( http://www.freebsd.org ) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 10:35: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from inc.net (mailhost.inc.net [204.95.160.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916731559F for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:34:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@inc.net) Received: from inc.net (niki.noc.inc.net [204.95.194.201]) by inc.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27653 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:34:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <38738EA9.91FB4629@inc.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 12:34:17 -0600 From: Steve Kaczkowski Organization: Time Warner Telecom IDD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI on FreeBSD. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Gary D. Margiotta" wrote: > > Ditto with the Adaptec and IBM u2w drives. > I'd stick with IBM disks. They've been by far the most reliable and fastest disks I've used.. I wouldn't buy/use anything else at this point.. Regards, -- Steve Kaczkowski Time Warner Telecom IDD steve@inc.net (414)908-9012 http://www.inc.net (603)737-9209 Fax To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 10:39:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from benge.graphics.cornell.edu (benge.graphics.cornell.edu [128.84.247.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF7115480 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:39:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mkc@benge.graphics.cornell.edu) Received: from benge.graphics.cornell.edu (mkc@localhost) by benge.graphics.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22128; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 13:39:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mkc@benge.graphics.cornell.edu) Message-Id: <200001051839.NAA22128@benge.graphics.cornell.edu> To: ndear@areti.net Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI on FreeBSD. In-Reply-To: Message from "Nicholas J. Dear" of "Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:18:06 GMT." <200001051821.SAA11212@post.mail.areti.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 13:39:22 -0500 From: Mitch Collinsworth Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> I'm very happy with the adaptec u2w paired with quantam atlas 10k's > >Any particular model number? :) That would be the 2940U2W. I'm about to install one here. -Mitch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 10:47:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from thud.tbe.net (thud.tbe.net [209.123.109.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAA315522 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:47:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: from localhost (gary@localhost) by thud.tbe.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03414; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 13:42:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 13:42:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: Steve Kaczkowski Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI on FreeBSD. In-Reply-To: <38738EA9.91FB4629@inc.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yeah... I'm trying to get all the Seagate Medalist UW drives out of our current news server... they don't like the DPT-3334UW card in there The second data silo just gives errors when hooked up to it. Though I must say, all 15 of our other servers running the same DPT cards, tho with many fewer drives, run fast and well, but my faith in them is starting to waiver. Replaced it with Adaptecs, and it works fine... not a driver problem, but even DPT support said that they don't work well with the Medalist line. They reccommended Cheetahs instead, but I'm now going to rely on IBM exclusively. I've had enough of Seagate's crap after roughly 40 RMA'd drives in a little over a year. On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Steve Kaczkowski wrote: > "Gary D. Margiotta" wrote: > > > > Ditto with the Adaptec and IBM u2w drives. > > > > > I'd stick with IBM disks. They've been by far the most reliable and > fastest disks I've used.. > > I wouldn't buy/use anything else at this point.. > > Regards, > > > -- > Steve Kaczkowski Time Warner Telecom IDD > steve@inc.net (414)908-9012 > http://www.inc.net (603)737-9209 Fax > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 10:57:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from c006.sfo.cp.net (c006-h007.c006.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 503DA1546B for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:57:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ignacioc@avantel.net) Received: (cpmta 25002 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2000 10:57:17 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO www) (200.39.243.225) by smtp.avantel.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2000 10:57:17 -0800 X-Sent: 5 Jan 2000 18:57:17 GMT Message-ID: <007f01bf57ae$dade7000$0c2d1cc0@redando.com> From: "Ignacio Cristerna" To: Subject: Re: SCSI on FreeBSD. Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:58:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org BTW, anyone has tried any of the Initio SCSI card under FreeBSD? Thanks for your comments.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 11:12:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cliff.i-plus.net (cliff.i-plus.net [209.100.20.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4A1151C9 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:12:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from troy@picus.com) Received: from ARCADIA (arcadia.i-plus.net [209.100.20.198]) by cliff.i-plus.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10647 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:12:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Troy Settle" To: "FreeBSD ISP" Subject: News Server reccomendations Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:12:33 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey all, The company I'm working for is currently using D-News on NT for usenet. I'm a total newbie to the NNTP game, but am under the impression that Dnews isn't a very good solution for an ISP with 20k users. I think I want to reccomend something like Typhoon, and I need to get some hardware reccomendations, like single or dual CPU system? how much memory? what kind of storage subsystem? I'm thinking a dual cpu box with as much RAM as it will take, and 100+ gig of RAID or Appliance would be the way to get this started, but I need validation on this. Another option might be to use MFS, and not have any fixed disks in the machine itself, and use a network applicance for the spool. Thoughts and opinions? -Troy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 11:44: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.basspro.com (mail.basspro.com [12.14.224.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76CB91543A for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:43:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from troyk@basspro.com) Received: from basspro.com (netgate.basspro.com [12.14.224.160]) by mail.basspro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA58335; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 13:46:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from troyk@basspro.com) Message-ID: <38739F43.CC0BE04@basspro.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 13:45:07 -0600 From: Troy Kittrell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troy Settle Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: News Server reccomendations References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmmm...have you looked at/tested DNews on FreeBSD? The only caveat would be that ldapauth doesn't seem to be directly supported on FreeBSD. Troy Settle wrote: > Hey all, > > The company I'm working for is currently using D-News on NT for usenet. I'm > a total newbie to the NNTP game, but am under the impression that Dnews > isn't a very good solution for an ISP with 20k users. > > I think I want to reccomend something like Typhoon, and I need to get some > hardware reccomendations, like single or dual CPU system? how much memory? > what kind of storage subsystem? > > I'm thinking a dual cpu box with as much RAM as it will take, and 100+ gig > of RAID or Appliance would be the way to get this started, but I need > validation on this. > > Another option might be to use MFS, and not have any fixed disks in the > machine itself, and use a network applicance for the spool. > > Thoughts and opinions? > > -Troy > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -Troy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 11:46:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from thud.tbe.net (thud.tbe.net [209.123.109.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E20C14F66 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:46:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: from localhost (gary@localhost) by thud.tbe.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03626; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:42:06 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:42:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: Troy Settle Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: News Server reccomendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We are running Dnews on 2 FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE boxes. The primary machine is a Dual P-II 450, 512MB RAM, with a DPT 3334-UW and 2 Adaptec 2940UW's (Not U2W yet). It rocks. I have to honestly say, that the box is much faster and more stable than the Solaris/Breeze (Breeze is from the same people who make Typhoon) config we had previously on the same box. The other box is a P-II 300 w 256MB RAM, a DPT 3334-UW, and an Adaptec 2940UW with 4 Medalist drives mirrored as OS/history, and 8 Quantum Fireball UW drives for spool. This machine is our text server, no binaries, and has 24 GB for spool. On the binary server, we have 4 mirrored system drives for OS and history, and we have 2 Data silos with 9 Seagate Medalist drives in each. Each silo is run off a separate Adaptec 2940, totalling 72GB of spool currently. I'm trying to migrate all of the Seagate drives off to 9GB IBM UW drives, as the DPT card and the Medalists don't really like each other... that's the reason for the extra Adaptecs. Currently, we have about 10k direct news users, and we resell services, so the machines are quite heavily abused, and they never complain. Load never ever comes even close to 1.00, machine is always responsive, and I think we could easily handle another 10-15k users without a problem. -Gary On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Troy Settle wrote: > > Hey all, > > The company I'm working for is currently using D-News on NT for usenet. I'm > a total newbie to the NNTP game, but am under the impression that Dnews > isn't a very good solution for an ISP with 20k users. > > I think I want to reccomend something like Typhoon, and I need to get some > hardware reccomendations, like single or dual CPU system? how much memory? > what kind of storage subsystem? > > I'm thinking a dual cpu box with as much RAM as it will take, and 100+ gig > of RAID or Appliance would be the way to get this started, but I need > validation on this. > > Another option might be to use MFS, and not have any fixed disks in the > machine itself, and use a network applicance for the spool. > > > Thoughts and opinions? > > -Troy > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 11:56:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from richard2.pil.net (richard2.pil.net [207.8.164.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C2F0D15256 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:56:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from up@3.am) Received: (qmail 23260 invoked by uid 1825); 5 Jan 2000 19:56:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jan 2000 19:56:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:56:16 -0500 (EST) From: X-Sender: up@richard2.pil.net To: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Why I have to reboot at times; was:RE: uptimes, Woo Hoo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ok, on the pretense of steering this thread back to topic, I could use some advice on the following problems I've been seeing with 3.2-RELEASE: there appears to be some sort of memory leak that I can't track down to a specific process (I have 256MB on this box): Mem: 87M Active, 129M Inact, 25M Wired, 6332K Cache, 8343K Buf, 4196K Free Swap: 517M Total, 517M Free After a reboot, this will have well over 100MB free, and gradually eat all but a few MB of it, but rarely (if ever) touch swap. I've done top, ps amx, and I don't see anything particularly huge. I also tried a virgin ps (just in case I'd been hacked), and seen no difference. *Part* of the problem appears to be that interactive shell processes don't die if I do a CTL-C, CTL-D or CTL-Z. they stop and remain in memory until I either kill the process, or the shell. I dunno if this is normal FBSD behavior, just that it doesn't happen in Solaris or Linux. On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Troy Settle wrote: > Our power is fairly stable, but it does go out on occasion. > > The last outage we had lasted about 12 hours. Our UPS (Matrix 3000) only > held out for about 6 hours :( > > I'm trying to get a generator, but it doesn't look like that's going to > happen any time soon. > > -Troy > > > ** -----Original Message----- > ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of n8 > ** Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 12:04 PM > ** To: Kurt Jaeger auf Mailinglisten > ** Cc: Willem Jan Withagen; oppermann@pipeline.ch; isp@FreeBSD.ORG > ** Subject: Re: uptimes, Woo Hoo > ** > ** > ** WOW. Must be nice... > ** I loose power for longer than one hour usually, and it happens every 1-3 > ** MONTHS. I'm starting to feel good about my 75 day uptimes. :) > ** > ** Vae > ** > ** > ** On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, Kurt Jaeger auf Mailinglisten wrote: > ** > ** > Hi! > ** > > ** > On Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 10:56:49AM -0600, n8 wrote: > ** > > > obcore$ uptime > ** > > > 7:53AM up 845 days, 10:12, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, > ** 0.00, 0.00 > ** > > > obcore$ > ** > > ** > > Are you guys on some sort of special powergrid or something? > ** > > ** > It's called the european power grid, a large, interconnected grid > ** > of almost all power plants in Europe, from Norway down to Italy. > ** > > ** > Pretty robust. We also have UPSs, but this particular server is > ** > not connected to one. Why ? Answer: Because up to now, it was > ** > not the power grid that failed, but the UPS (most of them from APC, > ** > where does their reputation is coming from ?). > ** > > ** > In the future, only systems with two seperate power supplies > ** > that connect to two different UPSs make any sense to me. Too expensive > ** > for all equipment, but well... > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > ** > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > ** > > ** > ** > ** > ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > ** > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ========================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 11:59:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from thud.tbe.net (thud.tbe.net [209.123.109.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F20715481 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:59:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: from localhost (gary@localhost) by thud.tbe.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03687; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:55:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:55:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: Troy Settle Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: News Server reccomendations (one more thing) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In our experiences with news, you really don't want to RAID the spool array... it's the same idea as in a heavily loaded mail server... the smaller the disk, the more disks you have, the more spindles, the better off you are. I would personally love to have 100 2GB Barracudas in a rack, but that leads to one heckuva lot of real estate. IMHO, keep your spools away from RAID... with the introduction of U2W and 10,000 RPM drives, you can put 2 silos filled with 9 GB U2W drives, and still have it be insanely fast and large. You don't want to go above 9GB in one shot, otherwise when a drive goes, you'll lose a heckuva lot of information. Also beware of striping, as if one disk goes, you lose one large chunk of spool. And drives will go... just due to the stress of being up and running 24/7/365, usually at heavy useage. On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Gary D. Margiotta wrote: > > We are running Dnews on 2 FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE boxes. The primary machine > is a Dual P-II 450, 512MB RAM, with a DPT 3334-UW and 2 Adaptec 2940UW's > (Not U2W yet). It rocks. I have to honestly say, that the box is much > faster and more stable than the Solaris/Breeze (Breeze is from the same > people who make Typhoon) config we had previously on the same box. > > The other box is a P-II 300 w 256MB RAM, a DPT 3334-UW, and an Adaptec > 2940UW with 4 Medalist drives mirrored as OS/history, and 8 Quantum > Fireball UW drives for spool. This machine is our text server, no > binaries, and has 24 GB for spool. > > On the binary server, we have 4 mirrored system drives for OS and history, > and we have 2 Data silos with 9 Seagate Medalist drives in each. Each > silo is run off a separate Adaptec 2940, totalling 72GB of spool > currently. I'm trying to migrate all of the Seagate drives off to 9GB IBM > UW drives, as the DPT card and the Medalists don't really like each > other... that's the reason for the extra Adaptecs. > > Currently, we have about 10k direct news users, and we resell services, so > the machines are quite heavily abused, and they never complain. Load > never ever comes even close to 1.00, machine is always responsive, and I > think we could easily handle another 10-15k users without a problem. > > -Gary > > On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Troy Settle wrote: > > > > > Hey all, > > > > The company I'm working for is currently using D-News on NT for usenet. I'm > > a total newbie to the NNTP game, but am under the impression that Dnews > > isn't a very good solution for an ISP with 20k users. > > > > I think I want to reccomend something like Typhoon, and I need to get some > > hardware reccomendations, like single or dual CPU system? how much memory? > > what kind of storage subsystem? > > > > I'm thinking a dual cpu box with as much RAM as it will take, and 100+ gig > > of RAID or Appliance would be the way to get this started, but I need > > validation on this. > > > > Another option might be to use MFS, and not have any fixed disks in the > > machine itself, and use a network applicance for the spool. > > > > > > Thoughts and opinions? > > > > -Troy > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 12: 2:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail-smtp.socket.net (mail-smtp.socket.net [216.106.1.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207011544F for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:01:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vaevictus@socket.net) Received: from socket.net ([216.106.1.7]) by mail-smtp.socket.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA24459 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:59:19 -0600 Received: from nathanm.office.socket.net ([216.106.0.22]) by socket.net ; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 12:58:37 -0600 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 13:23:38 -0600 (CST) From: n8 X-Sender: vaevictus@nathanm.office.socket.net To: Troy Settle Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: News Server reccomendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org News bites. Outsource it. Dnews worked for us for a while... but it became cheaper to get licenses from supernews rather than to hassle with the raid arrays and the bandwidth wasted. We're about that size and only need ~50 licenses the way i remember it working... :) Vae On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Troy Settle wrote: > > Hey all, > > The company I'm working for is currently using D-News on NT for usenet. I'm > a total newbie to the NNTP game, but am under the impression that Dnews > isn't a very good solution for an ISP with 20k users. > > I think I want to reccomend something like Typhoon, and I need to get some > hardware reccomendations, like single or dual CPU system? how much memory? > what kind of storage subsystem? > > I'm thinking a dual cpu box with as much RAM as it will take, and 100+ gig > of RAID or Appliance would be the way to get this started, but I need > validation on this. > > Another option might be to use MFS, and not have any fixed disks in the > machine itself, and use a network applicance for the spool. > > > Thoughts and opinions? > > -Troy > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 12:41:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wzrd.com (mail.wzrd.com [206.99.165.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D24714C05 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:41:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danh@wzrd.com) Received: by mail.wzrd.com (Postfix, from userid 91) id EAAF35D019; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 15:41:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Why I have to reboot at times; was:RE: uptimes, Woo Hoo In-Reply-To: from "up@3.am" at "Jan 5, 2000 2:56:16 pm" To: up@3.am Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 15:41:44 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1185 Message-Id: <20000105204144.EAAF35D019@mail.wzrd.com> From: danh@wzrd.com (Dan Harnett) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, > ok, on the pretense of steering this thread back to topic, I could use > some advice on the following problems I've been seeing with 3.2-RELEASE: > > there appears to be some sort of memory leak that I can't track down to a > specific process (I have 256MB on this box): > > Mem: 87M Active, 129M Inact, 25M Wired, 6332K Cache, 8343K Buf, 4196K Free ^^^^^^^^^^ This is what is important. Inactive memory is free but cached for quicker reuse. A better reference on this is: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/internals-vm.html > Swap: 517M Total, 517M Free > > After a reboot, this will have well over 100MB free, and gradually eat all > but a few MB of it, but rarely (if ever) touch swap. I've done top, ps > amx, and I don't see anything particularly huge. I also tried a virgin ps > (just in case I'd been hacked), and seen no difference. > > *Part* of the problem appears to be that interactive shell processes don't > die if I do a CTL-C, CTL-D or CTL-Z. they stop and remain in memory until > I either kill the process, or the shell. I dunno if this is normal FBSD > behavior, just that it doesn't happen in Solaris or Linux. Dan Harnett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 12:47:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from inc.net (mailhost.inc.net [204.95.160.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2C414CB2 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:47:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@inc.net) Received: from inc.net (niki.noc.inc.net [204.95.194.201]) by inc.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA16296 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:47:16 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3873ADB5.F195C474@inc.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 14:46:45 -0600 From: Steve Kaczkowski Organization: Time Warner Telecom IDD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: News Server reccomendations (one more thing) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Gary D. Margiotta" wrote: > > In our experiences with news, you really don't want to RAID the spool > array... it's the same idea as in a heavily loaded mail server... the > smaller the disk, the more disks you have, the more spindles, the better > off you are. I would personally love to have 100 2GB Barracudas in a > rack, but that leads to one heckuva lot of real estate. > > IMHO, keep your spools away from RAID... with the introduction of U2W and > 10,000 RPM drives, you can put 2 silos filled with 9 GB U2W drives, and > still have it be insanely fast and large. You don't want to go above 9GB > in one shot, otherwise when a drive goes, you'll lose a heckuva lot of > information. Also beware of striping, as if one disk goes, you lose one > large chunk of spool. And drives will go... just due to the stress of > being up and running 24/7/365, usually at heavy useage. > > On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Gary D. Margiotta wrote: Which is why they invented Hardware RAID, specifically a Mylex DAC960SX External SCSI to SCSI RAID controller. Using a controller like this has numerous benefits they include: 1) All RAID functions are offloaded onto Mylex controller so very little if any performance hit is noticed 2) OS independence, no drivers needed 3) Hot spares, if a disk dies in the array the hot spare will take it's place and if you're using RAID 5 you can just toss in a new disk. And many other cool/useful features.. We swear by em, I've got 18 of them sitting over in the corner waiting to be put into a box.. -- Steve Kaczkowski Time Warner Telecom IDD steve@inc.net (414)908-9012 http://www.inc.net (603)737-9209 Fax To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 12:55: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from inet.chip-web.com (adsl-63-195-43-53.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.195.43.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EA40F15777 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:54:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ludwigp@bigfoot.com) Received: (qmail 16145 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2000 20:54:53 -0000 Received: from toy.chip-web.com (HELO bigfoot.com) (@172.16.1.30) by inet.chip-web.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2000 20:54:53 -0000 Message-ID: <3873AFF2.B7FC4C88@bigfoot.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 12:56:18 -0800 From: Ludwig Pummer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: up@3.am Cc: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Why I have to reboot at times; was:RE: uptimes, Woo Hoo References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org up@3.am wrote: > there appears to be some sort of memory leak that I can't track down to a > specific process (I have 256MB on this box): > > Mem: 87M Active, 129M Inact, 25M Wired, 6332K Cache, 8343K Buf, 4196K Free > Swap: 517M Total, 517M Free > > After a reboot, this will have well over 100MB free, and gradually eat all > but a few MB of it, but rarely (if ever) touch swap. I've done top, ps > amx, and I don't see anything particularly huge. I also tried a virgin ps > (just in case I'd been hacked), and seen no difference. This has been asked quite a few times on one -questions. A search of the archives (query string was Free AND Inact AND greenman) returned many of the responses by David Greenman on the subject. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=1177643+1180919+/usr/local/www/db/text/1999/freebsd-questions/19991010.freebsd-questions ----- On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, David Greenman wrote: > >Is there a way to turn inactive memory into free memory in > >freeBSD 3.2. ? > > > >I have 512MB of RAM but a significant part (300MB) is only > >reported as free for a few hours after a reboot, > >then it becomes "inactive". > > > >I think that's why we have a slow system, specially with regard > >to Pine that takes for ever to close/open a large mailbox, because it > >spends a lot of time allocating memory (during that time the systems > >becomes very slow)... > > > >Here's the first lines of 'top': > > > >last pid: 50917; load averages: 0.03, 0.03, 0.00 up 1+21:35:32 > >10:46:50 > >94 processes: 1 running, 93 sleeping > >CPU states: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% > >idle > >Mem: 32M Active, 419M Inact, 26M Wired, 14M Cache, 8265K Buf, 11M Free > >Swap: 964M Total, 964M Free > > > > > >Any suggestions, hints ? > > Your system would be a lot slower without inactive memory. Basically what > that stat is telling you is that the system was able to use a large amount of > otherwise free memory for file caching, speeding up your applications > significantly. FreeBSD always tries to retain data that is useful; free pages > are just dead, useless pages that contain no useful data. The process of > moving pages from the various queues (inactive, cache, etc) to 'free' is > very fast and in most cases has almost zero overhead. In short, if your > system is slow when running 'pine', then it is for some other reason. > > -DG > > David Greenman > Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org > Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com > Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 16: 8:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from server1.siscom.net (server1.siscom.net [209.251.2.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2BCC114EAE for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:08:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from radams@siscom.net) Received: (qmail 25301 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2000 00:07:11 -0000 Received: from mp.siscom.net (HELO jason) ([209.251.2.49]) (envelope-sender ) by server1.siscom.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 6 Jan 2000 00:07:11 -0000 Message-ID: <02b301bf57dc$d0ffa620$3102fbd1@siscom.net> From: "Robert J. Adams" To: "Gary D. Margiotta" , "Troy Settle" Cc: "FreeBSD ISP" References: Subject: Re: News Server reccomendations (one more thing) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:24:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gary, Not sure if I agree with you. With the size of news today (we bring in about 81-90G/day) it would take a LOT of 9gig drives to store it for a week. We have been using 50gig barracudas (about 24 per server, soon to be 32) in a RAID 0+1 setup. Yea, we loose half the space w/ this setup due to the raid, but it's lightening fast and fully redundant. I'm just waiting for IBM to start shipping the damn 72G drives.. then again.. we kinda go crazy with news. -j --- Robert J. Adams radams@siscom.net http://www.siscom.net Looking to outsource news? http://www.newshosting.com SISCOM Network Administration - President, SISCOM Inc. Phone: 937-222-8150 FAX: 937-222-8153 ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary D. Margiotta To: Troy Settle Cc: FreeBSD ISP Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 2:55 PM Subject: Re: News Server reccomendations (one more thing) > In our experiences with news, you really don't want to RAID the spool > array... it's the same idea as in a heavily loaded mail server... the > smaller the disk, the more disks you have, the more spindles, the better > off you are. I would personally love to have 100 2GB Barracudas in a > rack, but that leads to one heckuva lot of real estate. > > IMHO, keep your spools away from RAID... with the introduction of U2W and > 10,000 RPM drives, you can put 2 silos filled with 9 GB U2W drives, and > still have it be insanely fast and large. You don't want to go above 9GB > in one shot, otherwise when a drive goes, you'll lose a heckuva lot of > information. Also beware of striping, as if one disk goes, you lose one > large chunk of spool. And drives will go... just due to the stress of > being up and running 24/7/365, usually at heavy useage. > > On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Gary D. Margiotta wrote: > > > > > We are running Dnews on 2 FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE boxes. The primary machine > > is a Dual P-II 450, 512MB RAM, with a DPT 3334-UW and 2 Adaptec 2940UW's > > (Not U2W yet). It rocks. I have to honestly say, that the box is much > > faster and more stable than the Solaris/Breeze (Breeze is from the same > > people who make Typhoon) config we had previously on the same box. > > > > The other box is a P-II 300 w 256MB RAM, a DPT 3334-UW, and an Adaptec > > 2940UW with 4 Medalist drives mirrored as OS/history, and 8 Quantum > > Fireball UW drives for spool. This machine is our text server, no > > binaries, and has 24 GB for spool. > > > > On the binary server, we have 4 mirrored system drives for OS and history, > > and we have 2 Data silos with 9 Seagate Medalist drives in each. Each > > silo is run off a separate Adaptec 2940, totalling 72GB of spool > > currently. I'm trying to migrate all of the Seagate drives off to 9GB IBM > > UW drives, as the DPT card and the Medalists don't really like each > > other... that's the reason for the extra Adaptecs. > > > > Currently, we have about 10k direct news users, and we resell services, so > > the machines are quite heavily abused, and they never complain. Load > > never ever comes even close to 1.00, machine is always responsive, and I > > think we could easily handle another 10-15k users without a problem. > > > > -Gary > > > > On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Troy Settle wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > The company I'm working for is currently using D-News on NT for usenet. I'm > > > a total newbie to the NNTP game, but am under the impression that Dnews > > > isn't a very good solution for an ISP with 20k users. > > > > > > I think I want to reccomend something like Typhoon, and I need to get some > > > hardware reccomendations, like single or dual CPU system? how much memory? > > > what kind of storage subsystem? > > > > > > I'm thinking a dual cpu box with as much RAM as it will take, and 100+ gig > > > of RAID or Appliance would be the way to get this started, but I need > > > validation on this. > > > > > > Another option might be to use MFS, and not have any fixed disks in the > > > machine itself, and use a network applicance for the spool. > > > > > > > > > Thoughts and opinions? > > > > > > -Troy > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 16:22:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from richard2.pil.net (richard2.pil.net [207.8.164.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 752C61555E for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:22:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from up@3.am) Received: (qmail 48584 invoked by uid 1825); 6 Jan 2000 00:21:35 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jan 2000 00:21:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:21:35 -0500 (EST) From: X-Sender: up@richard2.pil.net To: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Why I have to reboot at times; was:RE: uptimes, Woo Hoo In-Reply-To: <20000105204144.EAAF35D019@mail.wzrd.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Dan Harnett wrote: > > ok, on the pretense of steering this thread back to topic, I could use > > some advice on the following problems I've been seeing with 3.2-RELEASE: > > > > there appears to be some sort of memory leak that I can't track down to a > > specific process (I have 256MB on this box): > > > > Mem: 87M Active, 129M Inact, 25M Wired, 6332K Cache, 8343K Buf, 4196K Free > > ^^^^^^^^^^ This is what is important. > > Inactive memory is free but cached for quicker reuse. I thought this might be the case *except* I've had amanda complain that it is "unable to allocate memory", every couple of weeks or so, and a reboot is the only thing that fixes it. I have amanda as a "default" user in /etc/login.conf, which has no restrictions (users are a different class with lots of restrictions) James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ========================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 16:32:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.nobell.com (ns.nobell.com [216.140.184.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB310154D4 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:32:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aaron@nobell.com) Received: from win2knoc (st84060.nobell.com [216.140.184.60]) by ns.nobell.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA03577 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 18:30:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from aaron@nobell.com) From: "Aaron Sonntag" To: "FreeBSD-ISP" Subject: VIPW users/files Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 18:28:05 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I needed help with a couple things. I usually edit VIPW by hand. I have set up mail only accounts using /passwd shell. Along the same lines how do I go about setting up the following accounts: ftp only ftp and mail only Also I am working to completely rebuild my virtual hosting server and am not sure about how to move the user accounts over. I can move the directories and such. But the password files and accounts and the passwords to the accounts… I am not sure how to make this work. What is the best method of migrating these over? I want to make this as seamless as possible. Aaron Sonntag Nobell Network Manager To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 16:52: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from stumpy.dannyland.org (stumpy.dannyland.org [209.157.133.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3E115055 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:51:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyman@stumpy.dannyland.org) Received: by stumpy.dannyland.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6D73A3DC7; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:51:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:51:36 -0800 From: dannyman To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus Message-ID: <20000105165135.A29204@stumpy.dannyland.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've set up a Cyrus IMAP/POP server for my company with Postfix as the MTA. We'll be getting a NetApp filer for /home and other happy NFS/CIFS sharing. I'm thinking to have a FreeBSD shell cluster available for users. Cyrus, though, is not a happy camper with NFS. I'm thinking to get a dedicated external RAID - the type with SCSI out. I've noticed some RAID boxen come with dual external connectors. If I could hook a RAID up to two boxen, and turn up the one when the other fails, that would rock. Of course, if my mail server crashes, I'm going to have to come in and do physical interaction anyway ... one cable manually transferred to a hot spare seems reasonable. My puzzle is what features do I want in my RAID, and where should I get it from. Some colleagues suggested that for mail, RAID 0+1 would be preferable to RAID5 for performance reasons. I tend to wonder though, if RAID5 may not be more appropriate if people are going to end up using the mail server to store old mail. This is all nice and theoretical, and I'd appreciate input, but what I really want are reccomendations - what products and vendors are particularly good to work with and which should I avoid. FWIW, I'm in the Silicon Valley. I mean, I'd want: redundant, hot-swap power, fans, etc. a hot spare expandable capacity I also want to know how fast a RAID recovers from a disk failure, what performance impact, etc. I also want to know which controllers interface best with FreeBSD. Heck, hardware suggestions for the mail server itself wouldn't hurt. :) Has anyone experience with this sort of thing? Anyone have a Cyrus setup + RAID with some sort of failover in the event of a machine crashing? Thanks, -danny -- come.to/dannyman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 19:42:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from quake2.idgames.com (quake2.idgames.com [216.231.61.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F211553B for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:42:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matthew@subnetmask.net) Received: from quake3.idgames.com (unknown [192.168.2.1]) by quake2.idgames.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E78B5E14 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from 3rdfloor (3rdfloor.reverse.net [192.168.2.30]) by quake3.idgames.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B7610F4F for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:41:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew McGehrin" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:41:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: weird passwd problem X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Message-Id: <20000106034135.46B7610F4F@quake3.idgames.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I accidently changed some permisions around and now only users in the 'wheel' group can run the 'passwd; command. quake2# ls -ald passwd -r-sr-sr-x 2 root bin 23984 Sep 16 17:47 passwd Any idea's? Below is debug info: quake2: {1} % pwd /usr/home/support quake2: {2} % id uid=1021(support) gid=1111(friends) groups=1111(friends) quake2: {3} % passwd passwd: Permission denied quake2: {4} % /usr/bin/passwd passwd: Permission denied quake2: {6} % more /etc/group | grep 1111 friends:*:1111: quake2: {8} % ls -ald *pass* -rw------- 1 root wheel 8314 Jan 5 21:23 master.passwd -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 5473 Jan 5 21:23 passwd -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 775 Jan 5 13:48 passwd.orig quake2: {10} % ls -al *spw* -rw------- 1 root wheel 57344 Jan 5 21:23 spwd.db end ### To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 20: 5:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from thud.tbe.net (thud.tbe.net [209.123.109.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1DA1552D for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 20:05:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: from localhost (gary@localhost) by thud.tbe.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04454; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:00:48 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:00:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: "Robert J. Adams" Cc: Troy Settle , FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: News Server reccomendations (one more thing) In-Reply-To: <02b301bf57dc$d0ffa620$3102fbd1@siscom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yeah, it's all according to how crazy you wanna go... with 18 9GB drives, we should retain binaries for 3-4 days if I'm doing my calculations correctly... if you want to get a week with binaries, then you've gotta have more... all depends. -Gary On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Robert J. Adams wrote: > Gary, > > Not sure if I agree with you. With the size of news today (we bring in about > 81-90G/day) it would take a LOT of 9gig drives to store it for a week. We > have been using 50gig barracudas (about 24 per server, soon to be 32) in a > RAID 0+1 setup. Yea, we loose half the space w/ this setup due to the raid, > but it's lightening fast and fully redundant. I'm just waiting for IBM to > start shipping the damn 72G drives.. then again.. we kinda go crazy with > news. > > -j > > --- > Robert J. Adams radams@siscom.net http://www.siscom.net > Looking to outsource news? http://www.newshosting.com > SISCOM Network Administration - President, SISCOM Inc. > Phone: 937-222-8150 FAX: 937-222-8153 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary D. Margiotta > To: Troy Settle > Cc: FreeBSD ISP > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: News Server reccomendations (one more thing) > > > > In our experiences with news, you really don't want to RAID the spool > > array... it's the same idea as in a heavily loaded mail server... the > > smaller the disk, the more disks you have, the more spindles, the better > > off you are. I would personally love to have 100 2GB Barracudas in a > > rack, but that leads to one heckuva lot of real estate. > > > > IMHO, keep your spools away from RAID... with the introduction of U2W and > > 10,000 RPM drives, you can put 2 silos filled with 9 GB U2W drives, and > > still have it be insanely fast and large. You don't want to go above 9GB > > in one shot, otherwise when a drive goes, you'll lose a heckuva lot of > > information. Also beware of striping, as if one disk goes, you lose one > > large chunk of spool. And drives will go... just due to the stress of > > being up and running 24/7/365, usually at heavy useage. > > > > On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Gary D. Margiotta wrote: > > > > > > > > We are running Dnews on 2 FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE boxes. The primary machine > > > is a Dual P-II 450, 512MB RAM, with a DPT 3334-UW and 2 Adaptec 2940UW's > > > (Not U2W yet). It rocks. I have to honestly say, that the box is much > > > faster and more stable than the Solaris/Breeze (Breeze is from the same > > > people who make Typhoon) config we had previously on the same box. > > > > > > The other box is a P-II 300 w 256MB RAM, a DPT 3334-UW, and an Adaptec > > > 2940UW with 4 Medalist drives mirrored as OS/history, and 8 Quantum > > > Fireball UW drives for spool. This machine is our text server, no > > > binaries, and has 24 GB for spool. > > > > > > On the binary server, we have 4 mirrored system drives for OS and > history, > > > and we have 2 Data silos with 9 Seagate Medalist drives in each. Each > > > silo is run off a separate Adaptec 2940, totalling 72GB of spool > > > currently. I'm trying to migrate all of the Seagate drives off to 9GB > IBM > > > UW drives, as the DPT card and the Medalists don't really like each > > > other... that's the reason for the extra Adaptecs. > > > > > > Currently, we have about 10k direct news users, and we resell services, > so > > > the machines are quite heavily abused, and they never complain. Load > > > never ever comes even close to 1.00, machine is always responsive, and I > > > think we could easily handle another 10-15k users without a problem. > > > > > > -Gary > > > > > > On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Troy Settle wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > > > The company I'm working for is currently using D-News on NT for > usenet. I'm > > > > a total newbie to the NNTP game, but am under the impression that > Dnews > > > > isn't a very good solution for an ISP with 20k users. > > > > > > > > I think I want to reccomend something like Typhoon, and I need to get > some > > > > hardware reccomendations, like single or dual CPU system? how much > memory? > > > > what kind of storage subsystem? > > > > > > > > I'm thinking a dual cpu box with as much RAM as it will take, and 100+ > gig > > > > of RAID or Appliance would be the way to get this started, but I need > > > > validation on this. > > > > > > > > Another option might be to use MFS, and not have any fixed disks in > the > > > > machine itself, and use a network applicance for the spool. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts and opinions? > > > > > > > > -Troy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 20:49:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2A214F7B for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 20:49:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1264qx-0003wF-00; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 20:48:51 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 20:48:50 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Dan Babb Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: large password file In-Reply-To: <000701bf5628$3b186bc0$f804bed8@czone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, Dan Babb wrote: > i don't know if this pertains to this list, but since i run my isp with > freebsd, and i'm an isp this seemed most reasonable. > > currently i use ISPPower to interface with my machine (i know .. shoot me) > and its starting to take a very long time to build accounts or even edit the > master.passwd file via vipw > > i was curious .. what do isps do when their password file reaches 6k to 7k > .. to use still use the master.passwd file .. or is there some other option > to use, or something different? > > btw .. i'm also looking for new billing software. currently looking at > rodopi(?) for billing, but i'd like to hear some feedback on any types of > software billing at all possible > > thanks, > -d > > -d The rebuilding issue is quite a problem. However, for small updates it is possible to do a incremental update (copy the db files, update the one record, and then mv them back). Howerver, 6 to 7k users is pretty small. I have 25k+ (using NIS), and rebuilding from a new master.passwd file takes maybe 5 seconds on a PIII-600 with fast disks. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 21: 3:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from inc.net (mailhost.inc.net [204.95.160.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6B61551B for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:03:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@inc.net) Received: from inc.net (ess.phreak.net [207.250.97.69]) by inc.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA26861; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:03:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3874221E.DBD45CDB@inc.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 23:03:26 -0600 From: Steve Kaczkowski Organization: Time Warner Telecom Internet & Data Division X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh,zh-CN,zh-TW,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Robert J. Adams" Cc: "Gary D. Margiotta" , Troy Settle , FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: News Server reccomendations (one more thing) References: <02b301bf57dc$d0ffa620$3102fbd1@siscom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Robert J. Adams" wrote: > > Gary, > > Not sure if I agree with you. With the size of news today (we bring in about > 81-90G/day) it would take a LOT of 9gig drives to store it for a week. We > have been using 50gig barracudas (about 24 per server, soon to be 32) in a > RAID 0+1 setup. Yea, we loose half the space w/ this setup due to the raid, > but it's lightening fast and fully redundant. I'm just waiting for IBM to > start shipping the damn 72G drives.. then again.. we kinda go crazy with > news. Personally I'm waiting for everyone to stop passing the alt.binaries.warez.* groups, doing that alone would probably drop news traffic by 70%... All in favor say AYE! :) -- Steve Kaczkowski Time Warner Telecom IDD steve@inc.net (414)908-9012 http://www.inc.net (603)737-9209 Fax To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 21:10:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from guardian.fortress.org (guardian-ext.fortress.org [199.202.137.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21EA615575 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:10:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@pubnix.net) Received: from pubnix.net (guardian.fortress.org [198.168.253.52]) by guardian.fortress.org (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA92083; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 00:10:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from andrew@pubnix.net) Message-ID: <387423CC.CA150435@pubnix.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 00:10:37 -0500 From: Andrew Organization: PubNIX Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Kaczkowski Cc: "Robert J. Adams" , "Gary D. Margiotta" , Troy Settle , FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: News Server reccomendations (one more thing) References: <02b301bf57dc$d0ffa620$3102fbd1@siscom.net> <3874221E.DBD45CDB@inc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steve Kaczkowski wrote: > "Robert J. Adams" wrote: > > > > Gary, > > > > Not sure if I agree with you. With the size of news today (we bring in about > > 81-90G/day) it would take a LOT of 9gig drives to store it for a week. We > > have been using 50gig barracudas (about 24 per server, soon to be 32) in a > > RAID 0+1 setup. Yea, we loose half the space w/ this setup due to the raid, > > but it's lightening fast and fully redundant. I'm just waiting for IBM to > > start shipping the damn 72G drives.. then again.. we kinda go crazy with > > news. > > Personally I'm waiting for everyone to stop passing the > alt.binaries.warez.* groups, > doing that alone would probably drop news traffic by 70%... > > All in favor say AYE! I don't think that will solve the problem, look at alt.binaries.pictures as more the sources of the traffic. I decided to nuke our news server and outsource news to commercial news provider and am using nntpcache instead. What a difference!!! Bandwidth galore and way less load on the system! Definately worth it! > > > :) > > -- > Steve Kaczkowski Time Warner Telecom IDD > steve@inc.net (414)908-9012 > http://www.inc.net (603)737-9209 Fax > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 21:11:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from inc.net (mailhost.inc.net [204.95.160.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F02A15176 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:11:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@inc.net) Received: from inc.net (ess.phreak.net [207.250.97.69]) by inc.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA27137; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:11:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <387423EB.EF2B3DD2@inc.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 23:11:07 -0600 From: Steve Kaczkowski Organization: Time Warner Telecom Internet & Data Division X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh,zh-CN,zh-TW,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dannyman Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus References: <20000105165135.A29204@stumpy.dannyland.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org dannyman wrote: > > I've set up a Cyrus IMAP/POP server for my company with Postfix as the MTA. > > We'll be getting a NetApp filer for /home and other happy NFS/CIFS sharing. > I'm thinking to have a FreeBSD shell cluster available for users. > > Cyrus, though, is not a happy camper with NFS. I'm thinking to get a > dedicated external RAID - the type with SCSI out. I've noticed some > RAID boxen come with dual external connectors. If I could hook a RAID up to > two boxen, and turn up the one when the other fails, that would rock. > > Of course, if my mail server crashes, I'm going to have to come in and do > physical interaction anyway ... one cable manually transferred to a hot spare > seems reasonable. > > My puzzle is what features do I want in my RAID, and where should I get it > from. Some colleagues suggested that for mail, RAID 0+1 would be preferable > to RAID5 for performance reasons. I tend to wonder though, if RAID5 may not > be more appropriate if people are going to end up using the mail server to > store old mail. > > This is all nice and theoretical, and I'd appreciate input, but what I really > want are reccomendations - what products and vendors are particularly good to > work with and which should I avoid. FWIW, I'm in the Silicon Valley. > > I mean, I'd want: > redundant, hot-swap power, fans, etc. > a hot spare > expandable capacity > Checkout the Mylex DAC960SX External SCSI to SCSI RAID controller. Basically it's a box that sits in a fullhigh 5.25" bay and has a number of SCSI channels on it. You run one side to your onboard (or PCI card) SCSI bus, then hookup one of the other chains to you array of disks. You then setup up the RAID (via cool LCD panel or serial connection) in the controller, up to RAID 5, hot spares,mirrors,etc,etc,etc. As far as your OS is concerned it sees one big disk,so do what you like to it. Since all RAID functions are being handled by the RAID controller there isn't any performance issues to worry about, it's just pure redundancy and speed... Very slick stuff.. -- Steve Kaczkowski Time Warner Telecom IDD steve@inc.net (414)908-9012 http://www.inc.net (603)737-9209 Fax To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 21:18:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B61E1551B for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:18:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1265JA-0003zq-00; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:18:00 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:17:59 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Steve Kaczkowski Cc: dannyman , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus In-Reply-To: <387423EB.EF2B3DD2@inc.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Steve Kaczkowski wrote: > Checkout the Mylex DAC960SX External SCSI to SCSI RAID controller. ... > RAID functions are being handled by the RAID controller there isn't any > performance issues > to worry about, it's just pure redundancy and speed... > > Very slick stuff.. It is also about as old as the hills, and has no Ultra2 support. Ultra2 also gives you longer cable lengths (LVD), which are very important for external RAID setups, without the pain of sourcing differentional drives. Basically every SCSI disk made these days is Ultra2. A CRD or Infortend controller will probably be better. The new Infortrend Sentinel series with 64bit PowerPC processors look very interesting. > -- > Steve Kaczkowski Time Warner Telecom IDD > steve@inc.net (414)908-9012 > http://www.inc.net (603)737-9209 Fax Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 21:25:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F61915479 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:25:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1265Ph-00040N-00; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:24:45 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:24:44 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: up@3.am Cc: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Why I have to reboot at times; was:RE: uptimes, Woo Hoo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 up@3.am wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Dan Harnett wrote: > > > > ok, on the pretense of steering this thread back to topic, I could use > > > some advice on the following problems I've been seeing with 3.2-RELEASE: > > > > > > there appears to be some sort of memory leak that I can't track down to a > > > specific process (I have 256MB on this box): > > > > > > Mem: 87M Active, 129M Inact, 25M Wired, 6332K Cache, 8343K Buf, 4196K Free > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^ This is what is important. > > > > Inactive memory is free but cached for quicker reuse. > > I thought this might be the case *except* I've had amanda complain that it > is "unable to allocate memory", every couple of weeks or so, and a reboot > is the only thing that fixes it. I have amanda as a "default" user in > /etc/login.conf, which has no restrictions (users are a different class > with lots of restrictions) I can't believe all this FUD about memory allocation. First of all, if you are really and truly out of memory, nothing will be able to allocate memory, not just one application. That is just logic. You basically don't have any idea why Amanda can't allocate memory. Amanda could just require a lot of memory during backups. The daemon processes that Amanda uses may use more memory as they run. > James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor > up@3.am http://3.am > ========================================================================= Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 21:32:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A596415176 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:32:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id WAA31686; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:32:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:32:08 -0700 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: "Gary D. Margiotta" Cc: Steve Kaczkowski , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI on FreeBSD. Message-ID: <20000105223208.A31627@panzer.kdm.org> References: <38738EA9.91FB4629@inc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from gary@tbe.net on Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 01:42:49PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 13:42:49 -0500, Gary D. Margiotta wrote: > > Yeah... I'm trying to get all the Seagate Medalist UW drives out of our > current news server... they don't like the DPT-3334UW card in there The > second data silo just gives errors when hooked up to it. > > Though I must say, all 15 of our other servers running the same DPT cards, > tho with many fewer drives, run fast and well, but my faith in them is > starting to waiver. > > Replaced it with Adaptecs, and it works fine... not a driver problem, but > even DPT support said that they don't work well with the Medalist line. > They reccommended Cheetahs instead, but I'm now going to rely on IBM > exclusively. I've had enough of Seagate's crap after roughly 40 RMA'd > drives in a little over a year. FWIW, the Seagate Medalist Pro gives pretty lousy performance. We had to quirk it to just 2 outstanding transactions to maximize performance. In other words, stay away from it. I'm not surprised that DPT doesn't work well with it. The Cheetahs are good, though, as are Barracudas. And yes, IBM disks work very well too. (Some of their high end disks have onboard temperature sensors, which is kinda cool. You can read the temperature with camcontrol.) Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 21:35:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C16D814ED1 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:35:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id WAA31722; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:35:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:35:18 -0700 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Ignacio Cristerna Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI on FreeBSD. Message-ID: <20000105223518.B31627@panzer.kdm.org> References: <007f01bf57ae$dade7000$0c2d1cc0@redando.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <007f01bf57ae$dade7000$0c2d1cc0@redando.com>; from ignacioc@avantel.net on Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 12:58:21PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 12:58:21 -0600, Ignacio Cristerna wrote: > BTW, anyone has tried any of the Initio SCSI card under FreeBSD? > Thanks for your comments.. Thomas Graichen is working on getting Initio's drivers reviewed, tested and into the FreeBSD tree. You can get the current drivers here: http://www.innominate.org/~tgr/projects/FreeBSD/iha I'm sure he would appreciate additional feedback if you've got a board. If you've got questions about it, just ask Thomas. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 21:35:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932BF155AA for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:35:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tim@futuresouth.com) Received: (from tim@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12461; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:35:45 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:35:45 -0600 From: Tim Tsai To: Andrew Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: News Server reccomendations (one more thing) Message-ID: <20000105233545.A12339@futuresouth.com> References: <02b301bf57dc$d0ffa620$3102fbd1@siscom.net> <3874221E.DBD45CDB@inc.net> <387423CC.CA150435@pubnix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <387423CC.CA150435@pubnix.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I decided to nuke our news server and outsource news to commercial news provider > and am using nntpcache instead. Which provider allows a sucking feed? Thanks, Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 21:38:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA86A14DF8 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:38:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tim@futuresouth.com) Received: (from tim@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12631; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:38:45 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:38:45 -0600 From: Tim Tsai To: Tom Cc: up@3.am, FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Why I have to reboot at times; was:RE: uptimes, Woo Hoo Message-ID: <20000105233845.B12339@futuresouth.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I thought this might be the case *except* I've had amanda complain that it > > is "unable to allocate memory", every couple of weeks or so, and a reboot > > is the only thing that fixes it. I have amanda as a "default" user in > > /etc/login.conf, which has no restrictions (users are a different class > > with lots of restrictions) Actually this is probably a different kind of memory issue. Amanda leaves a shared memory segment behind everytime there is an error. Eventually you run out of shared memory handles (the default is a very small number). Next time it happens run "ipcs" and then "ipcrm -m shm_id" and it should take care of your problem. It's a very common Amanda issue. Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 21:41:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from stumpy.dannyland.org (stumpy.dannyland.org [209.157.133.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B75014FBE for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:41:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyman@stumpy.dannyland.org) Received: by stumpy.dannyland.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0CA273DC7; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:41:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:41:46 -0800 From: dannyman To: Steve Kaczkowski Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus Message-ID: <20000105214146.D29204@stumpy.dannyland.org> References: <20000105165135.A29204@stumpy.dannyland.org> <387423EB.EF2B3DD2@inc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <387423EB.EF2B3DD2@inc.net>; from Steve Kaczkowski on Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 11:11:07PM -0600 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 11:11:07PM -0600, Steve Kaczkowski wrote: > Checkout the Mylex DAC960SX External SCSI to SCSI RAID controller. > Basically it's a box > that sits in a fullhigh 5.25" bay and has a number of SCSI channels on > it. You run one > side to your onboard (or PCI card) SCSI bus, then hookup one of the > other chains to you > array of disks. You then setup up the RAID (via cool LCD panel or serial > connection) in the controller, up to RAID 5, hot > spares,mirrors,etc,etc,etc. Ahhh, that is a very useful and enticing explanation. So the system provides the Mylex card a home, the Mylex card provides the system a SCSI controller. Add in a nice chassis like a Kingston Data Silo and me own drives and I got RAID-in-a-box. I presume that you have found this to be a very economical and cost-effective solution? Damn, thanyouverymuch! -danny -- come.to/dannyman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 22:20: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from stumpy.dannyland.org (stumpy.dannyland.org [209.157.133.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C3115552 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:20:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyman@stumpy.dannyland.org) Received: by stumpy.dannyland.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 640D33DC7; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:20:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:20:12 -0800 From: dannyman To: Tom Cc: Steve Kaczkowski , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus Message-ID: <20000105222012.E29204@stumpy.dannyland.org> References: <387423EB.EF2B3DD2@inc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from Tom on Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 09:17:59PM -0800 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 09:17:59PM -0800, Tom wrote: > A CRD or Infortend controller will probably be better. The new > Infortrend Sentinel series with 64bit PowerPC processors look very > interesting. Hrmmm. The Infortrend Sentinel looks really cool. Anyone know if this would work with FreeBSD? -d -- come.to/dannyman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 22:29: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from stumpy.dannyland.org (stumpy.dannyland.org [209.157.133.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B6F114EA1 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:28:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyman@stumpy.dannyland.org) Received: by stumpy.dannyland.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 96EA23DC7; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:28:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:28:52 -0800 From: dannyman To: Tom Cc: Steve Kaczkowski , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus Message-ID: <20000105222852.F29204@stumpy.dannyland.org> References: <387423EB.EF2B3DD2@inc.net> <20000105222012.E29204@stumpy.dannyland.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <20000105222012.E29204@stumpy.dannyland.org>; from dannyman on Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 10:20:12PM -0800 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 10:20:12PM -0800, dannyman wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 09:17:59PM -0800, Tom wrote: > > > A CRD or Infortend controller will probably be better. The new > > Infortrend Sentinel series with 64bit PowerPC processors look very > > interesting. > > Hrmmm. The Infortrend Sentinel looks really cool. Anyone know if this would > work with FreeBSD? Well, dunno 'bout Sentinel, but the other products would apparently work, with special pricing: http://bsd.phoenix.az.us/raid/infortrend.html Bless Google. -d -- come.to/dannyman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 5 22:58:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from inc.net (mailhost.inc.net [204.95.160.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 770E515670 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:58:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@inc.net) Received: from inc.net (ess.phreak.net [207.250.97.69]) by inc.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA00385; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 00:58:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <38743CEB.E210FB5@inc.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 00:57:47 -0600 From: Steve Kaczkowski Organization: Time Warner Telecom Internet & Data Division X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh,zh-CN,zh-TW,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Cc: dannyman , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tom wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Steve Kaczkowski wrote: > > > Checkout the Mylex DAC960SX External SCSI to SCSI RAID controller. > ... > > RAID functions are being handled by the RAID controller there isn't any > > performance issues > > to worry about, it's just pure redundancy and speed... > > > > Very slick stuff.. > > It is also about as old as the hills, and has no Ultra2 support. > Ultra2 also gives you longer cable lengths (LVD), which are very important > for external RAID setups, without the pain of sourcing differentional > drives. Basically every SCSI disk made these days is Ultra2. > > A CRD or Infortend controller will probably be better. The new > Infortrend Sentinel series with 64bit PowerPC processors look very > interesting. > Yeah, one downside of the Mylex, though they do work very well, more speed is always helpful.. Thanks for the tip on the Infortend stuff, I haven't heard of them before, looks like real nice stuff... Guess that'll be in my NEXT News upgrade! :) -- Steve Kaczkowski Time Warner Telecom IDD steve@inc.net (414)908-9012 http://www.inc.net (603)737-9209 Fax To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 3:55:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net [129.250.36.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3244614F64 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 03:55:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 126BWF-0004JT-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:55:55 +0000 Received: from [157.238.16.49] (helo=bilver.magicnet.net) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 126BVZ-0000Up-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:55:14 +0000 Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) id GAA05242 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 06:53:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 06:53:52 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus Message-ID: <20000106065352.A5182@bilver.magicnet.net> References: <38743CEB.E210FB5@inc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: <38743CEB.E210FB5@inc.net> Organization: Vermillion Consulting Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 12:57:47AM -0600, Thus Spake Steve Kaczkowski: > Tom wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Steve Kaczkowski wrote: > > A CRD or Infortend controller will probably be better. The new > > Infortrend Sentinel series with 64bit PowerPC processors look very > > interesting. > Yeah, one downside of the Mylex, though they do work very well, more > speed is always helpful.. Are you saying the PowerPC processor is the downside? Why is that? Bill -- Bill Vermillion bv @ wjv.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 4:52:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from atlas.usls.edu (atlas.usls.edu [202.47.133.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C3B14FCE for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 04:52:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from francis@usls.edu) Received: by atlas.usls.edu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4D5F59B19; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:52:11 +0800 (PHT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atlas.usls.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D925D14 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:52:11 +0800 (PHT) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:52:11 +0800 (PHT) From: "Francis A. Vidal" To: FreeBSD ISP Subject: auth/billing/act mgmt Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi all, we're starting a small ISP. our machines would be cisco routers and freebsd servers. i'm looking for a product(s) that would provide centralized authentication for all services (e-mail, web hosting, dialup, etc.), extensive billing functions, and web-based account management. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 5:33:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D255B14D99 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 05:33:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA50308; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:33:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:33:08 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Hovey To: up@3.am Cc: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Why I have to reboot at times; was:RE: uptimes, Woo Hoo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I had an odd problem too - I finally traced it to an older C based menu program we use - I recompiled it to be native to the 3.2 and the problem stopped. On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 up@3.am wrote: > > ok, on the pretense of steering this thread back to topic, I could use > some advice on the following problems I've been seeing with 3.2-RELEASE: > > there appears to be some sort of memory leak that I can't track down to a > specific process (I have 256MB on this box): > > Mem: 87M Active, 129M Inact, 25M Wired, 6332K Cache, 8343K Buf, 4196K Free > Swap: 517M Total, 517M Free > > After a reboot, this will have well over 100MB free, and gradually eat all > but a few MB of it, but rarely (if ever) touch swap. I've done top, ps > amx, and I don't see anything particularly huge. I also tried a virgin ps > (just in case I'd been hacked), and seen no difference. > > *Part* of the problem appears to be that interactive shell processes don't > die if I do a CTL-C, CTL-D or CTL-Z. they stop and remain in memory until > I either kill the process, or the shell. I dunno if this is normal FBSD > behavior, just that it doesn't happen in Solaris or Linux. > > On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Troy Settle wrote: > > > Our power is fairly stable, but it does go out on occasion. > > > > The last outage we had lasted about 12 hours. Our UPS (Matrix 3000) only > > held out for about 6 hours :( > > > > I'm trying to get a generator, but it doesn't look like that's going to > > happen any time soon. > > > > -Troy > > > > > > ** -----Original Message----- > > ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of n8 > > ** Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 12:04 PM > > ** To: Kurt Jaeger auf Mailinglisten > > ** Cc: Willem Jan Withagen; oppermann@pipeline.ch; isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > ** Subject: Re: uptimes, Woo Hoo > > ** > > ** > > ** WOW. Must be nice... > > ** I loose power for longer than one hour usually, and it happens every 1-3 > > ** MONTHS. I'm starting to feel good about my 75 day uptimes. :) > > ** > > ** Vae > > ** > > ** > > ** On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, Kurt Jaeger auf Mailinglisten wrote: > > ** > > ** > Hi! > > ** > > > ** > On Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 10:56:49AM -0600, n8 wrote: > > ** > > > obcore$ uptime > > ** > > > 7:53AM up 845 days, 10:12, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, > > ** 0.00, 0.00 > > ** > > > obcore$ > > ** > > > ** > > Are you guys on some sort of special powergrid or something? > > ** > > > ** > It's called the european power grid, a large, interconnected grid > > ** > of almost all power plants in Europe, from Norway down to Italy. > > ** > > > ** > Pretty robust. We also have UPSs, but this particular server is > > ** > not connected to one. Why ? Answer: Because up to now, it was > > ** > not the power grid that failed, but the UPS (most of them from APC, > > ** > where does their reputation is coming from ?). > > ** > > > ** > In the future, only systems with two seperate power supplies > > ** > that connect to two different UPSs make any sense to me. Too expensive > > ** > for all equipment, but well... > > ** > > > ** > > > ** > > > ** > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > ** > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > ** > > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > ** > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor > up@3.am http://3.am > ========================================================================= > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 5:49:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from federation.addy.com (federation.addy.com [208.11.142.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67129156F3 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 05:49:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsdlist@federation.addy.com) Received: from localhost (fbsdlist@localhost) by federation.addy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04382; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:49:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from fbsdlist@federation.addy.com) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:49:00 -0500 (EST) From: Cliff Addy To: "Matthew B. Henniges" Cc: ndear@areti.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: SCSI on FreeBSD. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Matthew B. Henniges wrote: > I'm very happy with the adaptec u2w paired with quantam atlas 10k's Nooooooooooooooooooooooo ..... In the last 4 years, 99% of the hard drives we've had die are Quantums. I recommend IBM drives. They've been absolutely reliable. A distant second, but still OK, would be Seagate. I second the Adaptec 2940U2W, though. Love 'um. Cliff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 6:16:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net [129.250.36.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8003315606 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 06:16:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: from [129.250.38.64] (helo=dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 126DiE-0001FE-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 14:16:26 +0000 Received: from [157.238.16.49] (helo=bilver.magicnet.net) by dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 126DiB-0001qA-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 14:16:23 +0000 Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA06554 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:15:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:15:46 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SCSI on FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000106091546.A6523@bilver.magicnet.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: Organization: Vermillion Consulting Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 08:49:00AM -0500, Thus Spake Cliff Addy: > On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Matthew B. Henniges wrote: > > > I'm very happy with the adaptec u2w paired with quantam atlas 10k's > Nooooooooooooooooooooooo ..... In the last 4 years, 99% of the > hard drives we've had die are Quantums. Which models Quantum's. Some of the Quantum drives were only a level above the low-end Seagates when it came to reliability. One of the low-end SCSI lines typically had controller failure with no drive spin up. You could often salvage that with taking the controller from one drive and transplanting on another to at least get the data. The Empire's seemed to be pulled from the market. I've had no problems with the high end - the DEC designed drives - but the low end was pretty bad. > I recommend IBM drives. They've been absolutely reliable. A distant > second, but still OK, would be Seagate. I'll agree on the IBM's. With the advances in HD and head design in which IBM excels, some of their 5400 RPM drives had faster data transfer than the competitions 7200 RPM drives (baracudda era of about 3 years ago). I've noticed that with some manufacturers the warranty length seems to vary directly with the reliability. While the Seagate 'cuddas did fail with heating, they did have a 5 year warranty, while the Hawks usually made it past the first year - but not much after that. I had more than one SGI Indy with OEM'ed Seagate Hawks die in under 2 years. Pretty bad for what was a fairly expensive HW platform. -- Bill Vermillion bv @ wjv.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 7:40:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wnonline.net (mail.wnonline.net [216.4.88.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D1915676 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 07:40:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jk@wnonline.net) Received: from noc.wnonline.net (jk@noc.wnonline.net [216.4.88.2]) by mail.wnonline.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11001 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:40:22 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jk@wnonline.net) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:40:20 -0600 (CST) From: joe X-Sender: jk@localhost To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: billmax Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org how many people out there actually use this program, and if so, is it reliable? release all your complaints/praise to me about it, or if someone has found a solution that works well for them please let us know....i'm ready to toss our rodopi :> -jk _________________________________________ joe kamm network administrator worldnet communications inc. what's your .net worth? _________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 7:56:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from loki.intrepid.net (intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1172F1546A for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 07:56:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@loki.intrepid.net) Received: (from mark@localhost) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28812; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:56:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:56:03 -0500 From: Mark Conway Wirt To: Jim Sander Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MUA as shell for mail-only accounts? Message-ID: <20000106105603.D18458@intrepid.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from jim@federation.addy.com on Sat, Jan 01, 2000 at 12:54:18PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jan 01, 2000 at 12:54:18PM -0500, Jim Sander wrote: > We have several hundred "email-only" accounts with pine as their login > shell. The problem is that pine is a really powerfull mail tool that > allows all sorts of "dangerous" things. I set up pine.conf.fixed (in > /usr/local/etc if you install from the port) to disallow certain things, > and hard-coded other options... > > No suspend, no custom print, no pipe, alternate speller locked to > /usr/local/bin/ispell, alternate editor locked to vi- with the option to > disallow subshells. I also set "user home dir" to marginally protect > non-user files from them. There are probably a few other things too- > basically I went through the list of tricks I've used or seen used to get > "real" shells on systems with non-standard ones (freenets do this a lot) > and either fixed or disabled the option. > All very important, but there are other pitfalls as well. If you allow ssh for "normal users," wasn't there a thread here a while ago that ssh could be used to change the login shell? Forgive me if I'm remembering it incorrectly... --Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 8:22: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dominik.saargate.de (dominik.saargate.de [212.88.133.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA7A156B7 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:22:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from domi@saargate.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dominik.saargate.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17664; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:02:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from domi@saargate.de) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:02:49 +0100 (CET) From: Dominik Brettnacher To: "up@3.am" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why I have to reboot at times; was:RE: uptimes, Woo Hoo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, up@3.am wrote: > I thought this might be the case *except* I've had amanda complain that it > is "unable to allocate memory", every couple of weeks or so, and a reboot > is the only thing that fixes it. I have amanda as a "default" user in > /etc/login.conf, which has no restrictions (users are a different class > with lots of restrictions) Unfortunately, Amanda allocates SysV IPC Shared Memory and never frees it when there was a problem during a dump. You can see it with "ipcs" and remove it by using "ipcrm -m ". -- Dominik - http://www.saargate.de/~domi/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 8:22:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dominik.saargate.de (dominik.saargate.de [212.88.133.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2862815692 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:22:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from domi@saargate.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dominik.saargate.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17672; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:14:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from domi@saargate.de) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:14:09 +0100 (CET) From: Dominik Brettnacher To: "aaron@nobell.com" Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VIPW users/files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, aaron@nobell.com wrote: > sure about how to move the user accounts over. I can move the directorie= s > and such. But the password files and accounts and the passwords to the > accounts=85 I am not sure how to make this work. What is the best method= of > migrating these over? I want to make this as seamless as possible. I would suggest copying the relevant parts of /etc/master.passwd and /etc/group to the new machine and moving the directories afterwards. --=20 Dominik - http://www.saargate.de/~domi/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 8:25:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from inc.net (mailhost.inc.net [204.95.160.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44DC154B9 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:25:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@inc.net) Received: from inc.net (niki.noc.inc.net [204.95.194.201]) by inc.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA10124; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:25:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3874C1D7.4728923C@inc.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 10:24:55 -0600 From: Steve Kaczkowski Organization: Time Warner Telecom IDD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Vermillion Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus References: <38743CEB.E210FB5@inc.net> <20000106065352.A5182@bilver.magicnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Vermillion wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 12:57:47AM -0600, Thus Spake Steve Kaczkowski: > > Tom wrote: > > > > On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Steve Kaczkowski wrote: > > > > A CRD or Infortend controller will probably be better. The new > > > Infortrend Sentinel series with 64bit PowerPC processors look very > > > interesting. > > > Yeah, one downside of the Mylex, though they do work very well, more > > speed is always helpful.. > > Are you saying the PowerPC processor is the downside? > > Why is that? Nono, the Mylex controllers are a little older technology and don't support Ultra2 LVD which is why I said it's a downside of them. The Infortend controllers are PPC based, support the latest interfaces and look all around cool, although I didn't know about them until Yesterday.. I see upgrades in my future.. :) -- Steve Kaczkowski Time Warner Telecom IDD steve@inc.net (414)908-9012 http://www.inc.net (603)737-9209 Fax To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 8:48:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from benge.graphics.cornell.edu (benge.graphics.cornell.edu [128.84.247.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDABA14EC1 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:48:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mkc@benge.graphics.cornell.edu) Received: from benge.graphics.cornell.edu (mkc@localhost) by benge.graphics.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26911; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:47:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mkc@benge.graphics.cornell.edu) Message-Id: <200001061647.LAA26911@benge.graphics.cornell.edu> To: Andrew Cc: Steve Kaczkowski , "Robert J. Adams" , "Gary D. Margiotta" , Troy Settle , FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: News Server reccomendations (one more thing) In-Reply-To: Message from Andrew of "Thu, 06 Jan 2000 00:10:37 EST." <387423CC.CA150435@pubnix.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:47:55 -0500 From: Mitch Collinsworth Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> Personally I'm waiting for everyone to stop passing the >> alt.binaries.warez.* groups, >> doing that alone would probably drop news traffic by 70%... >> >> All in favor say AYE! > >I don't think that will solve the problem, look at alt.binaries.pictures as mo >re >the sources of the traffic. Heh. I stopped taking alt.binaries.* and reduced expire on alt.* with some exceptions and my spool still fits on 2 2GB Baracudas. And I'm still keeping 7 days or more of most big-8 groups. This is a 7-year-old server. News is still not all that big if you get rid of the junk that just doesn't belong there. BTW, is 7 years of full-time news without a failure a record for disk longevity? -Mitch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 9: 1:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net [129.250.36.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E753F15062 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:01:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: from [129.250.38.64] (helo=dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 126GHr-0005Gq-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:01:23 +0000 Received: from [157.238.16.49] (helo=bilver.magicnet.net) by dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 126GHm-0004Di-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:01:18 +0000 Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA08258 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:58:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:58:58 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: News Server reccomendations (one more thing) Message-ID: <20000106115858.A8244@bilver.magicnet.net> References: <200001061647.LAA26911@benge.graphics.cornell.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: <200001061647.LAA26911@benge.graphics.cornell.edu> Organization: Vermillion Consulting Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 11:47:55AM -0500, Thus Spake Mitch Collinsworth: > >> Personally I'm waiting for everyone to stop passing the > >> alt.binaries.warez.* groups, > >> doing that alone would probably drop news traffic by 70%... > >> All in favor say AYE! > >I don't think that will solve the problem, look at > >alt.binaries.pictures as more the sources of the traffic. > Heh. I stopped taking alt.binaries.* and reduced expire on alt.* > with some exceptions and my spool still fits on 2 2GB Baracudas. > And I'm still keeping 7 days or more of most big-8 groups. This is > a 7-year-old server. News is still not all that big if you get rid > of the junk that just doesn't belong there. > BTW, is 7 years of full-time news without a failure a record for disk > longevity? Well on a V.3 system (Esix 5.3.2) I ran for 7 years 2 months and 2 weeks before the ESDI controller failed - roughly mid-August 1990 thru mid-October 1997 - at which time I moved to a new motherboard (retired the 486) and FreeBSD 2.2.2. The old Radio Shack 16 ran as a node from 1986 to 1990. Once the daily flow moved to over 10 MB a day it was time to upgrade. Gawd. I think we have binaries that big now! Ran only comp and a few others. Most of the nodes in this area dropped alt by the early 1990s. The original 'bilver' would appear several times in the top-500 site list and for a long time in the top 1000. Amazing what you could do with a pair of World Blazers cranking along about 22kbps, when the rest of the world could barely hanled 9600. Bill -- Bill Vermillion bv @ wjv.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 9: 5:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net [129.250.36.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8838D14D32 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:05:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 126GME-00068f-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:05:54 +0000 Received: from [157.238.16.49] (helo=bilver.magicnet.net) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 126GLZ-000798-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:05:14 +0000 Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA08341 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:02:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:02:11 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: News Server reccomendations (one more thing) Message-ID: <20000106120210.B8244@bilver.magicnet.net> References: <200001061647.LAA26911@benge.graphics.cornell.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: <200001061647.LAA26911@benge.graphics.cornell.edu> Organization: Vermillion Consulting Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 11:47:55AM -0500, Thus Spake Mitch Collinsworth: > BTW, is 7 years of full-time news without a failure a record for disk > longevity? Drat - forgot one thing. The original RS machine used B news - and if the news feed used over 13 bit compression - the 1MB max memory limit in hardware would make decompression take so much longer than transmission it was unuseable. One time someone sent a days worth of news with 16 bit compression turned on and it took almost 24 hours to unspool it. Probalby a whipping 20 MB! :-( Things surely have gotten much better -- Bill Vermillion bv @ wjv.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 9:16:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from abused.com (abused.com [216.86.128.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AAC614BC4 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:16:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gvbmail@tns.net) Received: from GVB (gvb.tns.net [216.86.143.6]) by abused.com (8.9.3/I feel abused.) with ESMTP id JAA08735 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:16:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000106091327.020f0848@mail.tns.net> X-Sender: gvbmail@mail.tns.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 09:16:25 -0800 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: GVB Subject: RE: SCSI on FreeBSD. In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org No one responded the first time I posted this.. we are talking about SCSI.. figured this thread could possible help.. I am running FreeBSD 3.4-Stable on a PentiumII 266 with 384 megs of RAM as a SMTP/POP3 mail server. The primary OS disk is a IBM 4.5 UW SCSI drive which is da0. da1 is another 4.5 UW IBM drive which is GOING to be used for mirroring the OS disk (right now its doing nothing). da2 is a 18 gig RAID setup on a DPT Raid card using an externel 3 position RAID box that is mounted as /var/mail and /var/spool/mqueue. dpt0: rev 0x02 int a irq 12 on pci0.10.0 dpt0: DPT PM2144UW FW Rev. 07M1, 1 channel, 64 CCBs da0 at dpt0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 4357MB (8924999 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 555C) da1 at dpt0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da1: Tagged Queueing Enabled da1: 4357MB (8924999 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 555C) da2 at dpt0 bus 0 target 2 lun 0 da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da2: 17365MB (35565440 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2213C) My problem is that multiple times per day (at least 5 times or so per hour) the machine stops responding for anywhere from 5-15 seconds. It still answers incoming connections, eg; telnet to port 25 and the connection is established, but I get nothing from the server, no identification or anything. Same thing with any other ports. When I am on the machine locally the console locks and I cannot input until this period is over. I have been trying to trouble shoot it down, and it seems when the KB/t hits 64.00 on the raid is when it locks. tty da0 da1 da2 cpu tin tout KB/t tps MB/s KB/t tps MB/s KB/t tps MB/s us ni sy in id 0 76 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 64.00 1 0.06 1 0 1 0 98 Where can I begin to figure out what this problem is? Is it the block size that I built the RAID with? Could it be bad memory on the RAID card or a bad RAID card? I appreciate any help anyone can give me. GVB (On a side note.. does anyone know if there has been any RAID management software released that will work with FreeBSD and this card?) At 08:49 AM 1/6/2000 -0500, Cliff Addy wrote: >On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Matthew B. Henniges wrote: > > > I'm very happy with the adaptec u2w paired with quantam atlas 10k's > >Nooooooooooooooooooooooo ..... In the last 4 years, 99% of the hard drives >we've had die are Quantums. > >I recommend IBM drives. They've been absolutely reliable. A distant >second, but still OK, would be Seagate. > >I second the Adaptec 2940U2W, though. Love 'um. > >Cliff > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 12: 0:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from federation.addy.com (federation.addy.com [208.11.142.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAFD156FD for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:00:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@federation.addy.com) Received: from localhost (jim@localhost) by federation.addy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28371; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:00:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jim@federation.addy.com) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:00:46 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Sander To: Mark Conway Wirt Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MUA as shell for mail-only accounts? In-Reply-To: <20000106105603.D18458@intrepid.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > All very important, but there are other pitfalls as well. Such as? I'm always interested in hearing new ways. I'm even up for generating a good list beyond what I already have. I'd even mod a pine.conf.fixed file and make it available to anyone who wanted once we could agree on a sanity-checked list of things that need blocking. > If you allow ssh for "normal users," wasn't there a thread here a > while ago that ssh could be used to change the login shell? Forgive > me if I'm remembering it incorrectly... Normal users have full access- they get tcsh as their shell. It's only email-only users (who have their login shell as pine) that we're concerned about here. In theory, normal users on the same system who know the password to an email-only account could probably find a way to execute chsh via su for that person's account, but that's why chsh is 700 SSH I don't think can be used to change the shell directly- unless you mean the "exploit the RSA-REF hole for root; vi /etc/master.passwd" method of changing shells. :) Maybe *I'm* remembering incorrectly though. -=Jim=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 12: 4:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au [202.14.186.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575FC155D7; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:04:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anwsmh@IPAustralia.Gov.AU) Received: (from smap@localhost) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA05778; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 07:04:15 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from anwsmh@IPAustralia.Gov.AU) Received: from wf-156.aipo.gov.au(192.168.1.156) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au via smap (V2.0) id xma005776; Fri, 7 Jan 00 07:04:03 +1100 Received: from localhost (anwsmh@localhost) by stan.aipo.gov.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00364; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 07:04:01 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from anwsmh@IPAustralia.Gov.AU) X-Authentication-Warning: stan.aipo.gov.au: anwsmh owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 07:04:00 +1100 (EST) From: Stanley Hopcroft X-Sender: anwsmh@stan.aipo.gov.au To: isp@freebsd.org Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: read() fails (called from apache 1.3.9) on FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, I am writing to ask your help with an intermittent problem with I think the read() system call in FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE. Apache 1.3.9 reports ap_bgets() returned length -1 when it reads large (order 1 MB) RFC 1867 file uploads from a fill-out form (NB apache does not use CGI to read the form. This apache proxys the request to a server that processes the form). My reading of the apache code is that ap_bgets() (defined in src/main/buff.c) ultimately uses the system call read(). The problem host is a Dell 4300 with one 450Mhz CPU, 1 GB of memory, and I think the load average is no more than 0.1. The kernel defines 256 users. What should I do ? Thank you, Yours sincerely Network Specialist IP Australia +61 2 6283 3189 +61 2 6281 1353 FAX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 12:44:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from drawbridge.ctc.com (drawbridge.ctc.com [147.160.99.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BBCA150FF for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:44:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cameron@ctc.com) Received: from server2.ctc.com (server2.ctc.com [147.160.1.4]) by drawbridge.ctc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29884 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:44:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ctcjst-mail1.ctc.com (ctcjst-mail1.ctc.com [147.160.34.4]) by server2.ctc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24057 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:43:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by ctcjst-mail1.ctc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:37:14 -0500 Message-ID: <604CC98C4E6BD311AEF900A0C9EA54E1878B47@ctcjst-mail1.ctc.com> From: "Cameron, Frank" To: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Uknown TCP/IP Ports Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:37:13 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anybody know if anything special uses ports 41524 or 62638. I've checked a few trojan ports lists with no success. -Frank To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 15: 7:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net (bsdie.rwsystems.net [209.197.223.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E49514EF2 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:07:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwyatt@rwsystems.net) Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net([209.197.223.2]) (1272 bytes) by bsdie.rwsystems.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:02:16 -0600 (CST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #1 built 1999-Aug-7) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:02:13 -0600 (CST) From: James Wyatt To: "Francis A. Vidal" Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: auth/billing/act mgmt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Francis A. Vidal wrote: > we're starting a small ISP. our machines would be cisco routers and > freebsd servers. i'm looking for a product(s) that would provide > centralized authentication for all services (e-mail, web hosting, dialup, > etc.), extensive billing functions, and web-based account management. There are a few montioned in the archives ranging from free to scalable... The one I always recommend is BillMax (www.billmax.com). Developed at a good size ISP on FreeBSD, but delivered on Sun, Linux, etc... I like the email invoicing and auto-hibernate-user-account-until-user-pays support. I'll be going before this gets too much longer - Jy@ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 18:41:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from intranova.net (blacklisted.intranova.net [209.3.31.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FB6E15090 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:41:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oogali@intranova.net) Received: (qmail 8897 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2000 21:40:16 -0000 Received: from hydrant.intranova.net (user99388@209.201.95.10) by blacklisted.intranova.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2000 21:40:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:36:34 -0500 (EST) From: Omachonu Ogali To: Aaron Sonntag Cc: matt , jdd@vbc.net, FreeBSD-ISP Subject: RE: FTP Style client for SCP(1) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org SCP is secure copy and is basically a type of 'rcp' but can serve as a replacement for FTP as data is sent over a secure channel. Omachonu Ogali Intranova Networking Group On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Aaron Sonntag wrote: > SSH/SCP instead of ftp? I know what SSH is... but SCP? How does this combo > replace ftp? > > Thanks > > Aaron > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On > Behalf Of Jim Dixon > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 1:38 AM > To: matt > Cc: FreeBSD-ISP > Subject: Re: FTP Style client for SCP(1) > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, matt wrote: > > > > > I'm not sure if this would be the appropriate list, but it is ISP related, > > and the server is FreeBSD so... I'm running SSHv1, and I'd like to be able > > to shut down FTP all together and make my customers use SSH/SCP. > > > > I've got them doing this for logins already, but I need to find a GUI > > Windows client that'll interface with SCP like FTP so that the customers > > can figure it all out. > > > > I've never seen something like this before, but I'm sure it exists > > somewhere, has anyone here heard of something like that, or could point me > > in the right direction? Thanks. > > Putty, a Windows ssh package, has an scp component. > > http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty > > -- > Jim Dixon VBCnet GB Ltd http://www.vbc.net > tel +44 117 929 1316 fax +44 117 927 2015 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 18:47: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from intranova.net (blacklisted.intranova.net [209.3.31.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 79C83151D5 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:46:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oogali@intranova.net) Received: (qmail 9940 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2000 21:43:31 -0000 Received: from hydrant.intranova.net (user44129@209.201.95.10) by blacklisted.intranova.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2000 21:43:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:39:50 -0500 (EST) From: Omachonu Ogali To: up@3.am Cc: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Why I have to reboot at times; was:RE: uptimes, Woo Hoo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Control-Z is nothing but the suspend command, meaning the program sits in the background in a state frozen execution. Other programs may have child processes spawned, have signal handlers, or are just plain stubborn. Omachonu Ogali Intranova Networking Group On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 up@3.am wrote: > > ok, on the pretense of steering this thread back to topic, I could use > some advice on the following problems I've been seeing with 3.2-RELEASE: > > there appears to be some sort of memory leak that I can't track down to a > specific process (I have 256MB on this box): > > Mem: 87M Active, 129M Inact, 25M Wired, 6332K Cache, 8343K Buf, 4196K Free > Swap: 517M Total, 517M Free > > After a reboot, this will have well over 100MB free, and gradually eat all > but a few MB of it, but rarely (if ever) touch swap. I've done top, ps > amx, and I don't see anything particularly huge. I also tried a virgin ps > (just in case I'd been hacked), and seen no difference. > > *Part* of the problem appears to be that interactive shell processes don't > die if I do a CTL-C, CTL-D or CTL-Z. they stop and remain in memory until > I either kill the process, or the shell. I dunno if this is normal FBSD > behavior, just that it doesn't happen in Solaris or Linux. > > On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Troy Settle wrote: > > > Our power is fairly stable, but it does go out on occasion. > > > > The last outage we had lasted about 12 hours. Our UPS (Matrix 3000) only > > held out for about 6 hours :( > > > > I'm trying to get a generator, but it doesn't look like that's going to > > happen any time soon. > > > > -Troy > > > > > > ** -----Original Message----- > > ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of n8 > > ** Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 12:04 PM > > ** To: Kurt Jaeger auf Mailinglisten > > ** Cc: Willem Jan Withagen; oppermann@pipeline.ch; isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > ** Subject: Re: uptimes, Woo Hoo > > ** > > ** > > ** WOW. Must be nice... > > ** I loose power for longer than one hour usually, and it happens every 1-3 > > ** MONTHS. I'm starting to feel good about my 75 day uptimes. :) > > ** > > ** Vae > > ** > > ** > > ** On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, Kurt Jaeger auf Mailinglisten wrote: > > ** > > ** > Hi! > > ** > > > ** > On Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 10:56:49AM -0600, n8 wrote: > > ** > > > obcore$ uptime > > ** > > > 7:53AM up 845 days, 10:12, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, > > ** 0.00, 0.00 > > ** > > > obcore$ > > ** > > > ** > > Are you guys on some sort of special powergrid or something? > > ** > > > ** > It's called the european power grid, a large, interconnected grid > > ** > of almost all power plants in Europe, from Norway down to Italy. > > ** > > > ** > Pretty robust. We also have UPSs, but this particular server is > > ** > not connected to one. Why ? Answer: Because up to now, it was > > ** > not the power grid that failed, but the UPS (most of them from APC, > > ** > where does their reputation is coming from ?). > > ** > > > ** > In the future, only systems with two seperate power supplies > > ** > that connect to two different UPSs make any sense to me. Too expensive > > ** > for all equipment, but well... > > ** > > > ** > > > ** > > > ** > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > ** > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > ** > > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > ** > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor > up@3.am http://3.am > ========================================================================= > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 18:58:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from intranova.net (blacklisted.intranova.net [209.3.31.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A06E11578E for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:58:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oogali@intranova.net) Received: (qmail 11671 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2000 21:48:39 -0000 Received: from hydrant.intranova.net (user91586@209.201.95.10) by blacklisted.intranova.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2000 21:48:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:44:58 -0500 (EST) From: Omachonu Ogali To: Matthew McGehrin Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: weird passwd problem In-Reply-To: <20000106034135.46B7610F4F@quake3.idgames.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org chown root.wheel /usr/bin/passwd chmod 4555 /usr/bin/passwd See if setting those permissions (defaults) restore normal activity. Omachonu Ogali Intranova Networking Group On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Matthew McGehrin wrote: > I accidently changed some permisions around and now > only users in the 'wheel' group can run the 'passwd; command. > > quake2# ls -ald passwd > -r-sr-sr-x 2 root bin 23984 Sep 16 17:47 passwd > > Any idea's? > > Below is debug info: > quake2: {1} % pwd > /usr/home/support > quake2: {2} % id > uid=1021(support) gid=1111(friends) groups=1111(friends) > quake2: {3} % passwd > passwd: Permission denied > quake2: {4} % /usr/bin/passwd > passwd: Permission denied > > quake2: {6} % more /etc/group | grep 1111 > friends:*:1111: > > quake2: {8} % ls -ald *pass* > -rw------- 1 root wheel 8314 Jan 5 21:23 master.passwd > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 5473 Jan 5 21:23 passwd > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 775 Jan 5 13:48 passwd.orig > > quake2: {10} % ls -al *spw* > -rw------- 1 root wheel 57344 Jan 5 21:23 spwd.db > > > end > ### > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 19:58: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from atlas.usls.edu (atlas.usls.edu [202.47.133.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB2F15087 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 19:58:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from francis@usls.edu) Received: by atlas.usls.edu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2B9069B2F; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:40:46 +0800 (PHT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atlas.usls.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219205D14 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:40:46 +0800 (PHT) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:40:46 +0800 (PHT) From: "Francis A. Vidal" To: FreeBSD ISP Subject: can't change mode of chsh Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi all, i'm trying to change the permission of `chsh,' as root, to something like -r-sr-x---. however, i got the message `chmod: /usr/bin/chsh: Operation not permitted.' i've just made a buildworld and installworld last december 21 to update my system to 3.4-stable. -- francis vidal university of st. la salle, bacolod city, philippines . . . . . . . PGP key available via e-mail / subject: get PGP key u s l s N E T tel nos. (+63.34).433.3526 / fax (+63.34).434.0415 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 20:25:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from parsons.rh.rit.edu (res112b-165.rh.rit.edu [129.21.112.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA44B15087 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:25:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mfisher@csh.rit.edu) Received: from mfisher (helo=localhost) by parsons.rh.rit.edu with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126Qsk-0005Xb-00; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 23:20:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 23:20:08 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Fisher X-Sender: mfisher@res112b-165.rh.rit.edu To: Jim Sander Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MUA as shell for mail-only accounts? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Jim Sander wrote: > SSH I don't think can be used to change the shell directly- unless you > mean the "exploit the RSA-REF hole for root; vi /etc/master.passwd" method > of changing shells. :) Maybe *I'm* remembering incorrectly though. I believe that it was mentioned that SSH (using RSA key authentication) could be used to get around a `*' in the passwd field. A (theoretical) way of getting around the shell issue is ~/.login_conf. From the man page: shell prog Session shell to execute rather than the shell speci- fied in the passwd file. The SHELL environment variable will contain the shell speci- fied in the password file. However, as I last recall, this functionality was not implemented. - -- Mike "The man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, 'Limit yourself'; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." -- Murray Rothbard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0i Comment: Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBOHVpeeG+Jfm/z6tNEQLP9QCaA6Qu5Cw0Ki/GfUpXG0f99BZ2SM8An3vT +wnZnLgowEYGVKX1+l+A6XlR =cXio -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 21: 1:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.alpha1.net (mail.alpha1.net [216.88.112.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC6E14F3D for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:01:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marius@alpha1.net) Received: from marius.org (marius@marius.org [216.88.115.170]) by mail.alpha1.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16979; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:41:04 -0600 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:41:04 -0600 (CST) From: Marius Strom X-Sender: marius@marius.org To: "Francis A. Vidal" Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: can't change mode of chsh In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How about an output of `ls -ol /usr/bin/chsh` -- Marius Strom Professional Geek/Unix System Administrator Alpha1 Internet http://www.marius.org/marius.pgp 0x5645C228 In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice... ...In practice, there is a big difference. On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, Francis A. Vidal wrote: > hi all, > > i'm trying to change the permission of `chsh,' as root, to something like > -r-sr-x---. however, i got the message `chmod: /usr/bin/chsh: Operation > not permitted.' > > i've just made a buildworld and installworld last december 21 to update my > system to 3.4-stable. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 22:11:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from atlas.usls.edu (atlas.usls.edu [202.47.133.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DC515525 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:10:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from francis@usls.edu) Received: by atlas.usls.edu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3A6D89B2E; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:10:19 +0800 (PHT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atlas.usls.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 307405D14; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:10:19 +0800 (PHT) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:10:19 +0800 (PHT) From: "Francis A. Vidal" To: Marius Strom Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: can't change mode of chsh In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ---- Quoting Marius Strom's message, sent 01/06/00 10:41pm ---- > How about an output of `ls -ol /usr/bin/chsh` thanks for the help but somebody suggested i change the flags of the file to `noschg' and do the chmod afterwards. everything's working fine now. thanks! > -- > Marius Strom > Professional Geek/Unix System Administrator > Alpha1 Internet > http://www.marius.org/marius.pgp 0x5645C228 > > In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice... > ...In practice, there is a big difference. > > On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, Francis A. Vidal wrote: > > > hi all, > > > > i'm trying to change the permission of `chsh,' as root, to something like > > -r-sr-x---. however, i got the message `chmod: /usr/bin/chsh: Operation > > not permitted.' > > > > i've just made a buildworld and installworld last december 21 to update my > > system to 3.4-stable. -- francis vidal university of st. la salle, bacolod city, philippines . . . . . . . PGP key available via e-mail / subject: get PGP key u s l s N E T tel nos. (+63.34).433.3526 / fax (+63.34).434.0415 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 6 23:53:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from liberty.bulinfo.net (liberty.bulinfo.net [212.72.195.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C97F715109 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 23:53:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from krassi@bulinfo.net) Received: (qmail 49426 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2000 07:53:14 -0000 Received: from pythia.bulinfo.net (HELO bulinfo.net) (212.72.195.5) by liberty.bulinfo.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2000 07:53:14 -0000 Message-ID: <38759BEE.A20F9C06@bulinfo.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 09:55:26 +0200 From: Krassimir Slavchev Organization: Bulinfo Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: n8 , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gated/OSPF or xl0 problem? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, At the moment up time of this machine is 100 days without any problems, except gated. n8 wrote: > And you've replaced your cabling? > > I've no clue about gated's issue. But the first rule of specific network > problems is to verify the cable. :) > > The fact that it says "state low" makes me think bad cable. > > but that's not even $.02 worth. :) > > Vae > > On Tue, 4 Jan 2000, Krassimir Slavchev wrote: > > > Hi all, > > We running gated 3.5.10 on FreeBSD-3.2 machine and have a problem. > > This is from gated log file: > > > > OSPF RECV Area 0.0.0.0 111.222.333.1 -> 224.0.0.5: LS UPD: neighbor > > state low > > OSPF RECV Area 0.0.0.0 111.222.333.3 -> 224.0.0.5: LS ACK: neighbor > > state low > > OSPF RECV Area 0.0.0.0 111.222.333.5 -> 224.0.0.6: LS ACK: neighbor > > state low > > OSPF RECV Area 0.0.0.0 111.222.333.7 -> 224.0.0.6: LS ACK: neighbor > > state low > > OSPF RECV Area 0.0.0.0 111.222.333.9 -> 224.0.0.6: LS ACK: neighbor > > state low > > > > All routers running gated and have same gated.conf files and work fine > > except one. > > On this machine NIC is 3C905 with xl driver (same card work fine under > > Linux). > > > > Because on this machine are running critical applications it is not > > advisable > > to stop it to replace the NIC. > > > > Any hints will be welcome. > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > -- > > Krassimir Slavchev Bulinfo Ltd. > > krassi@bulinfo.net (+359-2)963-3652 > > http://www.bulinfo.net (+359-2)963-3764 > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Krassimir Slavchev Bulinfo Ltd. krassi@bulinfo.net (+359-2)963-3652 http://www.bulinfo.net (+359-2)963-3764 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 7 6:27:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from federation.addy.com (federation.addy.com [208.11.142.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7895156A2 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 06:27:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@federation.addy.com) Received: from localhost (jim@localhost) by federation.addy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12064; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 09:27:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jim@federation.addy.com) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 09:27:40 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Sander To: Mike Fisher Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MUA as shell for mail-only accounts? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > SSH RSA Authentication If a user who's shell is set to pine has been *'d out, even if he uses RSA Auth to log in they will still be restricted to pine as well as any other email-only user. Of course this problem is another entire issue. > A (theoretical) way of getting around the shell issue is > ~/.login_conf. From the man page: > shell prog Session shell to execute Also from the man page, talking about ~/.login_conf: " Only a subset of login capabilities may be overridden, typically those which do not involve authentication, resource limits and accounting." I would hope that whoever implemented this system would understand that a user-controlled directory is probably not an appropriate place to allow shell changes. -=Jim=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 7 8:50:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2FC1575C for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:50:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id IAA16982; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:50:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:50:05 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <200001071650.IAA16982@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: baylisa@baylisa.org, sendmail@sendmail.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, annouce@bafug.org X-Also-Posted-To: comp.mail.sendmail Subject: sendmail 8.9.3 -- "ETRN enhancements" patches now available Organization: Whistle Communications, an IBM Company X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On behalf of those of us at Whistle Communications who have been working on the enhancements to sendmail 8.9.3 to better support ETRN, it is my pleasure to make the patches available via anonymous FTP. They are located in ftp.whistle.com:/pub/misc/sendmail; that directory contains 3 files: * BayLISA.mgp.tgz a gzipped tarball of a MagicPoint "Short but Cool" presentation I made at BayLISA on 16 December, 1999 about the work we did. * sendmail-8.9.3+ETRN.patch.gz a gzipped set of patches to the base sendmail 8.9.3 distribution. * README a short note that indicates that mentioning "-p1" when patch is invoked would probably be A Good Thing (at least, it worked for me). As mentioned in the MagicPoint presentation, there are things we haven't (yet) managed to get done, but the code is working in production as-is, and we felt it was better to get it in your hands as soon as possible. Other than the MagicPoint presentation, the documentation is somewhat sparse, though I did update doc/op/op.me to at least mention the new configuration keywords. I will be happy to answer questions you may have about the code (or redirect those questions, as appropriate), as time and other resources permit. What the patches do is provide a mechanism by which sendmail can use separate queues for individual domains (that are indended to retrieve their mail via ETRN). (Those of us sufficiently ancient may note a certain similarity between this effect and the use of UUCP for sending mail. :-}) In the process, they also provide an arguably interesting illustrative example of the the use and power of the (relatively new) "regex" maps in sendmail. (Note, though, that this is an artifact of the implementation we/I chose; there is nothing in the code per se that requires the use of any particular kind of map to accomplish the transformation from a domain name to a directory path.) By providing these separate queue directories for just this purpose, mail to be retrieved via ETRN is no longer subject to the periodic queue runs that sendmail normally is set up to do to try to deliver mail that gets "stuck". Further, when the ETRN is actually done, having all of the mail to be retrieved in a single directory (that has nothing else in it) tends to rather focus sendmail's attention on the task at hand. (I.e., the queue-running sendmail doesn't have any irrelevant queued mail to examine, then ignore.) Each of these tends to reduce the resources required by sendmail for handling ETRN; it is our hope that the result will make the use of ETRN more attractive to ISPs and others who might be in a position to make use of it -- especially as a rational alternative to such constructs as multi-user POP maildrops. The patches are being contributed to sendmail.org, in the hope that something with similar functionality will be able to be integrated into sendmail, possibly as early as whatever follows 8.10. (We were, unfortunately, not fast enough to get it done in time for 8.10.) Naturally, there is no intent to change any of the licensing terms associated with the base code. Share and enjoy, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 7 8:55:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from rhino.ark.gnac.net (rhino.ark.gnac.net [198.151.248.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C3F1592A for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:55:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-baylisa@baylisa.org) Received: (from baylisa@localhost) by rhino.ark.gnac.net (8.8.5/8.8.5/GNAC-GW-2.1) id IAA05153 for baylisa@baylisa.org; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:51:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by rhino.ark.gnac.net (8.8.5/8.8.5/GNAC-GW-2.1) with ESMTP id IAA05148 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:51:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id IAA16982; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:50:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:50:05 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <200001071650.IAA16982@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: baylisa@baylisa.org, sendmail@sendmail.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, annouce@bafug.org X-Also-Posted-To: comp.mail.sendmail Subject: sendmail 8.9.3 -- "ETRN enhancements" patches now available Organization: Whistle Communications, an IBM Company X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) X-Loop: baylisa@gnac.com Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On behalf of those of us at Whistle Communications who have been working on the enhancements to sendmail 8.9.3 to better support ETRN, it is my pleasure to make the patches available via anonymous FTP. They are located in ftp.whistle.com:/pub/misc/sendmail; that directory contains 3 files: * BayLISA.mgp.tgz a gzipped tarball of a MagicPoint "Short but Cool" presentation I made at BayLISA on 16 December, 1999 about the work we did. * sendmail-8.9.3+ETRN.patch.gz a gzipped set of patches to the base sendmail 8.9.3 distribution. * README a short note that indicates that mentioning "-p1" when patch is invoked would probably be A Good Thing (at least, it worked for me). As mentioned in the MagicPoint presentation, there are things we haven't (yet) managed to get done, but the code is working in production as-is, and we felt it was better to get it in your hands as soon as possible. Other than the MagicPoint presentation, the documentation is somewhat sparse, though I did update doc/op/op.me to at least mention the new configuration keywords. I will be happy to answer questions you may have about the code (or redirect those questions, as appropriate), as time and other resources permit. What the patches do is provide a mechanism by which sendmail can use separate queues for individual domains (that are indended to retrieve their mail via ETRN). (Those of us sufficiently ancient may note a certain similarity between this effect and the use of UUCP for sending mail. :-}) In the process, they also provide an arguably interesting illustrative example of the the use and power of the (relatively new) "regex" maps in sendmail. (Note, though, that this is an artifact of the implementation we/I chose; there is nothing in the code per se that requires the use of any particular kind of map to accomplish the transformation from a domain name to a directory path.) By providing these separate queue directories for just this purpose, mail to be retrieved via ETRN is no longer subject to the periodic queue runs that sendmail normally is set up to do to try to deliver mail that gets "stuck". Further, when the ETRN is actually done, having all of the mail to be retrieved in a single directory (that has nothing else in it) tends to rather focus sendmail's attention on the task at hand. (I.e., the queue-running sendmail doesn't have any irrelevant queued mail to examine, then ignore.) Each of these tends to reduce the resources required by sendmail for handling ETRN; it is our hope that the result will make the use of ETRN more attractive to ISPs and others who might be in a position to make use of it -- especially as a rational alternative to such constructs as multi-user POP maildrops. The patches are being contributed to sendmail.org, in the hope that something with similar functionality will be able to be integrated into sendmail, possibly as early as whatever follows 8.10. (We were, unfortunately, not fast enough to get it done in time for 8.10.) Naturally, there is no intent to change any of the licensing terms associated with the base code. Share and enjoy, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 7 8:56:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from acutiator.nacamar.de (mail.nacamar.de [194.162.162.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7118A1575C for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:56:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rohrbach@mail.nacamar.de) Received: by acutiator.nacamar.de (Postfix, from userid 499) id 605ED5D20; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 17:56:44 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 17:56:44 +0100 From: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" To: Omachonu Ogali Cc: Aaron Sonntag , matt , jdd@vbc.net, FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: FTP Style client for SCP(1) Message-ID: <20000107175643.C35686@nacamar.net> Reply-To: rohrbach@nacamar.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from Omachonu Ogali on Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 09:36:34PM -0500 X-Arbitrary-Number-Of-The-Day: 42 X-Sender: rohrbach@nacamar.net X-Organisation: Nacamar Data Communications GmbH X-Address: Robert-Bosch-Str. 32, 63303 Dreieich, Germany X-Phone: vox: +49 6103 993 870 fax: +49 6103 993 199 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org you also might try sftp which is a client and server executable solution that runs through ssh and gives you the 'original' ftp feeling ;-) get a current ports tree, i think its /usr/ports/ftp/sftp /k Omachonu Ogali (oogali@intranova.net) @ Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 09:36:34PM -0500: > SCP is secure copy and is basically a type of 'rcp' but can serve as a > replacement for FTP as data is sent over a secure channel. > > Omachonu Ogali > Intranova Networking Group > > On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Aaron Sonntag wrote: > > > SSH/SCP instead of ftp? I know what SSH is... but SCP? How does this combo > > replace ftp? > > > > Thanks > > > > Aaron > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On > > Behalf Of Jim Dixon > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 1:38 AM > > To: matt > > Cc: FreeBSD-ISP > > Subject: Re: FTP Style client for SCP(1) > > > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, matt wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm not sure if this would be the appropriate list, but it is ISP related, > > > and the server is FreeBSD so... I'm running SSHv1, and I'd like to be able > > > to shut down FTP all together and make my customers use SSH/SCP. > > > > > > I've got them doing this for logins already, but I need to find a GUI > > > Windows client that'll interface with SCP like FTP so that the customers > > > can figure it all out. > > > > > > I've never seen something like this before, but I'm sure it exists > > > somewhere, has anyone here heard of something like that, or could point me > > > in the right direction? Thanks. > > > > Putty, a Windows ssh package, has an scp component. > > > > http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty > > > > -- > > Jim Dixon VBCnet GB Ltd http://www.vbc.net > > tel +44 117 929 1316 fax +44 117 927 2015 > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- > Coders do it with a routine. http://www.nacamar.de - http://www.nacamar.net - http://www.webmonster.de http://www.apache.de - http://www.quakeforum.de - finger rohrbach@nacamar.net KR433/KR11-RIPE - PGP-KFP = F9 A0 DF 91 74 07 6A 1C 5F 0B E0 6B 4D CD 8C 44 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 7 9:21:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from athena.connectalk.com (athena.connectalk.com [204.19.165.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE91156B8 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 09:21:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from awebster@connectalk.com) Received: from connectalk.com ([204.19.165.16]) by athena.connectalk.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA1B49 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:21:00 -0500 Message-ID: <38761FEF.4E1A78D5@connectalk.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 12:18:40 -0500 From: "Andrew Webster" Organization: ConnecTalk Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Shell user locked up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, how do I clear this shell users's mess? Process #9212 is sucking up lots of swap! Tried kill -9, but no luck. Version: FreeBSD 3.4, 128MB Ram Thanks! last pid: 41241; load averages: 0.05, 0.01, 0.00 up 8+20:19:59 12:18:12 40 processes: 1 running, 39 sleeping CPU states: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.4% system, 1.9% interrupt, 97.7% idle Mem: 53M Active, 27M Inact, 39M Wired, 5012K Cache, 8351K Buf, 848K Free Swap: 256M Total, 158M Used, 97M Free, 62% Inuse PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 9212 andrel -20 0 219M 32480K VM pgd 12:27 0.00% 0.00% pine -- Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 7 10:27:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f56.hotmail.com [216.32.181.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C96E15A0F for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:27:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fjcameron@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 74051 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2000 18:27:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000107182725.74050.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 147.160.99.35 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Jan 2000 10:27:25 PST X-Originating-IP: [147.160.99.35] From: "Frank Cameron" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Uknown TCP/IP Ports Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 13:27:25 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was granted some more information about the packets: they were all UDP directed broadcasts. I found a newsgroup posting that listed 41524 specifically as being popular for a modified smrf attack. -Frank > >Does anybody know if anything special uses ports 41524 or 62638. I've >checked a few trojan ports lists with no success. > >-Frank > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 7 11: 2:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [209.210.251.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824D2157D1 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:02:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ianj@calweb.com) Received: from staff.calweb.com (ianj@staff.calweb.com [209.210.251.15]) by mail.calweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA72365 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:02:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ianj@localhost) by staff.calweb.com (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA85872 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:01:23 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: staff.calweb.com: ianj owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:01:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Ian R. Justman" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Apache, load-balancing, and httpd proccesses stuck in the D state Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, all. We're running six PIII/500s behind two Foundry ServerIron layer 4 switches to do load balancing for our new webservers, all of which using a common filestore, a NetApp F720. The machines are all running FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE along with Apache 1.3.9+FP2K extensions. Periodically, some httpd processes will get stuck in the D state, and I have a feeling that causes some sites with FP extensions and some CGI sites to get stuck, spewing where it's able, "Internal server error" waiting for output from a given script. Any thoughts on this one? --Ian. --- Ian R. Justman (ianj@calweb.com) UNIX System Administrator and Postmaster, CalWeb Internet Services, Inc., a SkyLynx Company Office: (916) 641-9320 Public PGP key available upon request. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 7 12: 4:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.aye.net (phoenix.aye.net [198.7.192.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DB5A114DAE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:03:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barrett@aye.net) Received: (qmail 16685 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Jan 2000 20:02:57 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Jan 2000 20:02:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:02:57 -0500 (EST) From: Barrett Richardson To: "Ian R. Justman" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Steve Hardin , Eric Paul , tague@win.net Subject: Re: Apache, load-balancing, and httpd proccesses stuck in the D state In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, Ian R. Justman wrote: > > Hi, all. > > We're running six PIII/500s behind two Foundry ServerIron layer 4 switches > to do load balancing for our new webservers, all of which using a common > filestore, a NetApp F720. The machines are all running FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE > along with Apache 1.3.9+FP2K extensions. > > Periodically, some httpd processes will get stuck in the D state, and I > have a feeling that causes some sites with FP extensions and some CGI > sites to get stuck, spewing where it's able, "Internal server error" > waiting for output from a given script. > > Any thoughts on this one? Yup, NFS. Is anybody *NOT* having this problem with an Apache/FP2K/NetApp combination? - Barrett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 7 20:27: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15443158AB for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 20:27:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126nSE-00066Y-00; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 20:26:18 -0800 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 20:26:16 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: dannyman Cc: Steve Kaczkowski , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus In-Reply-To: <20000105222012.E29204@stumpy.dannyland.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, dannyman wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 09:17:59PM -0800, Tom wrote: > > > A CRD or Infortend controller will probably be better. The new > > Infortrend Sentinel series with 64bit PowerPC processors look very > > interesting. > > Hrmmm. The Infortrend Sentinel looks really cool. Anyone know if this would > work with FreeBSD? It is operating system independant. It works with anything that supports SCSI disks. > -d > > -- > come.to/dannyman Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 7 22:38:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from inc.net (mailhost.inc.net [204.95.160.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1394314F5A for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 22:38:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@inc.net) Received: from inc.net (ess.phreak.net [207.250.97.69]) by inc.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA26787; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 00:38:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3876DB6B.26B4634E@inc.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 00:38:35 -0600 From: Steve Kaczkowski Organization: Time Warner Telecom Internet & Data Division X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh,zh-CN,zh-TW,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Cc: dannyman , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Hrmmm. The Infortrend Sentinel looks really cool. Anyone know if this would > > work with FreeBSD? > > It is operating system independant. It works with anything that > supports SCSI disks. > Right.. As would any External controller, that's the point really.. Just plug it all together and your OS just sees one BIG disk.. -- Steve Kaczkowski Time Warner Telecom IDD steve@inc.net (414)908-9012 http://www.inc.net (603)737-9209 Fax To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 8 19: 5:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.snet.net (smtp.snet.net [204.60.6.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022A415137 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:05:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmagistro@snet.net) Received: from snet.net (nwhn-sh22-port185.snet.net [204.60.238.185]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with ESMTP id WAA28715 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:05:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3877FD52.7F36607A@snet.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 03:15:31 +0000 From: Dominic Raiano X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13-7mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe freebsd-isp dmagistro@snet.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 8 19:12:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.snet.net (smtp.snet.net [204.60.6.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01EC1150E8 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:12:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmagistro@snet.net) Received: from snet.net (nwhn-sh22-port185.snet.net [204.60.238.185]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with ESMTP id WAA00398 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:12:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3877FEE1.9BC3EA8@snet.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 03:22:10 +0000 From: Dominic Raiano X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13-7mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe dmagistro@snet.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 8 19:13:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from iohost.com (io001.iohost.com [209.189.124.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6857514DCD for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:13:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntserver (w146.z206111055.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [206.111.55.146]) by iohost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA15262; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:12:41 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000108191338.039c5b60@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 19:13:38 -0800 To: Tom , dannyman From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus Cc: Steve Kaczkowski , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <20000105222012.E29204@stumpy.dannyland.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I was told that the Sentinel's are not out yet but I just tried a 3101-u2g and it works real well, but no way to monitor it remotely without doing serial stuff. Does anyone know of a SCSI-TO-SCSI controller which has snmp or something on the FreeBSD that can get a drive status reading? This will come in handy big time when I have 100 servers that have RAID in one room! Thank you, Randy Katz At 08:26 PM 1/7/00 -0800, Tom wrote: > >On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, dannyman wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 09:17:59PM -0800, Tom wrote: >> >> > A CRD or Infortend controller will probably be better. The new >> > Infortrend Sentinel series with 64bit PowerPC processors look very >> > interesting. >> >> Hrmmm. The Infortrend Sentinel looks really cool. Anyone know if this would >> work with FreeBSD? > > It is operating system independant. It works with anything that >supports SCSI disks. > >> -d >> >> -- >> come.to/dannyman > >Tom > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 8 19:15:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from iohost.com (io001.iohost.com [209.189.124.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECFFC14C99 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:15:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntserver (w146.z206111055.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [206.111.55.146]) by iohost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA15296; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:15:05 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000108191602.03a36270@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 19:16:02 -0800 To: Steve Kaczkowski , dannyman From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <387423EB.EF2B3DD2@inc.net> References: <20000105165135.A29204@stumpy.dannyland.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Steve, Can you get a reading of the drive statuses from FreeBSD? At 11:11 PM 1/5/00 -0600, Steve Kaczkowski wrote: >dannyman wrote: >> >> I've set up a Cyrus IMAP/POP server for my company with Postfix as the MTA. >> >> We'll be getting a NetApp filer for /home and other happy NFS/CIFS sharing. >> I'm thinking to have a FreeBSD shell cluster available for users. >> >> Cyrus, though, is not a happy camper with NFS. I'm thinking to get a >> dedicated external RAID - the type with SCSI out. I've noticed some >> RAID boxen come with dual external connectors. If I could hook a RAID up to >> two boxen, and turn up the one when the other fails, that would rock. >> >> Of course, if my mail server crashes, I'm going to have to come in and do >> physical interaction anyway ... one cable manually transferred to a hot spare >> seems reasonable. >> >> My puzzle is what features do I want in my RAID, and where should I get it >> from. Some colleagues suggested that for mail, RAID 0+1 would be preferable >> to RAID5 for performance reasons. I tend to wonder though, if RAID5 may not >> be more appropriate if people are going to end up using the mail server to >> store old mail. >> >> This is all nice and theoretical, and I'd appreciate input, but what I really >> want are reccomendations - what products and vendors are particularly good to >> work with and which should I avoid. FWIW, I'm in the Silicon Valley. >> >> I mean, I'd want: >> redundant, hot-swap power, fans, etc. >> a hot spare >> expandable capacity >> > >Checkout the Mylex DAC960SX External SCSI to SCSI RAID controller. >Basically it's a box >that sits in a fullhigh 5.25" bay and has a number of SCSI channels on >it. You run one >side to your onboard (or PCI card) SCSI bus, then hookup one of the >other chains to you >array of disks. You then setup up the RAID (via cool LCD panel or serial >connection) in the controller, up to RAID 5, hot >spares,mirrors,etc,etc,etc. > >As far as your OS is concerned it sees one big disk,so do what you like >to it. Since all >RAID functions are being handled by the RAID controller there isn't any >performance issues >to worry about, it's just pure redundancy and speed... > >Very slick stuff.. > > > >-- >Steve Kaczkowski Time Warner Telecom IDD >steve@inc.net (414)908-9012 >http://www.inc.net (603)737-9209 Fax > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 8 19:24: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from stumpy.dannyland.org (stumpy.dannyland.org [209.157.133.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1157E14ED0 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:24:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyman@stumpy.dannyland.org) Received: by stumpy.dannyland.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CEFCF3DBD; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:23:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:23:55 -0800 From: dannyman To: "Randy A. Katz" Cc: Tom , Steve Kaczkowski , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Infortrend RAID / Extending FBSD filesystem? Message-ID: <20000108192355.Q16985@stumpy.dannyland.org> References: <20000105222012.E29204@stumpy.dannyland.org> <3.0.5.32.20000108191338.039c5b60@ccsales.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000108191338.039c5b60@ccsales.com>; from Randy A. Katz on Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 07:13:38PM -0800 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 07:13:38PM -0800, Randy A. Katz wrote: > Hi, > > I was told that the Sentinel's are not out yet but I just tried a 3101-u2g > and it works real well, but no way to monitor it remotely without doing > serial stuff. > > Does anyone know of a SCSI-TO-SCSI controller which has snmp or something > on the FreeBSD that can get a drive status reading? This will come in handy > big time when I have 100 servers that have RAID in one room! Infortrend's web site had a java-based software thing that could monitor over the serial port or SCSI bus and then send data back via SNMP to a Java console. They also have textual counterparts to this software, it sounds like. For my part, I've found Media Integrations to help my dirty work. I'm expecting a quote on one of these systems on Monday: http://www.mediainc.com/server_sitkacabrillo.htm They reccomended an Adjile encasing and a U2W Inforttrend controller with 7200 RPM cases. Then I asked myself if I might just have them build me the darn computer with a smaller RAID and reserve one of the Inforttrend's SCSI cables for expanding to an external RAID. Aside from the hot-swap bays, redundant power supplies, I'm thinking to install a backup system disk (just dd the image every one in a while, in the event of failure, just take the first system disk out) and a tape device, so I can dump system disk images and the RAID, in case of some nasty nasty disaster. A question I thought I'd share with you ... can FreeBSD handle with the idea of a disk/slice/partition being expanded, or would I have to newfs the entire disk? ie, can I build on to a RAID and extend the file system that FreeBSD sees? How messy is this, and should I consider a different OS for this functionality? (Maybe I should be looking at a Sparc?) Thanks, -danny -- come.to/dannyman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 8 19:48:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565B514FB3 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:48:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tim@futuresouth.com) Received: (from tim@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24301; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 21:48:47 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 21:48:47 -0600 From: Tim Tsai To: "Randy A. Katz" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus Message-ID: <20000108214847.A24216@futuresouth.com> References: <20000105222012.E29204@stumpy.dannyland.org> <3.0.5.32.20000108191338.039c5b60@ccsales.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000108191338.039c5b60@ccsales.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I was told that the Sentinel's are not out yet but I just tried a 3101-u2g > and it works real well, but no way to monitor it remotely without doing > serial stuff. The Infortrend controller supports PPP on the serial port. You can easily have a FreeBSD host act as the SNMP agent for the Infortrend. Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 8 20:50: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.bna.bellsouth.net (mail2.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 505F0150C3 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 20:50:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@siteplus.com) Received: from siteplus.com (host-216-78-82-63.cha.bellsouth.net [216.78.82.63]) by mail2.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id XAA04918 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:45:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3878137F.785A8F25@siteplus.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 23:50:07 -0500 From: Jim Weeks Organization: SitePlus Web Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: apache+php-1.3.9+3.0.12 + frontpage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I feel like I should be asking this in some Microsoft group but I think the answer will most likely be found here. If I could drop frontpage extensions without loosing business I surely would. I have just Installed apache+php-1.3.9+3.0.12 from ports and added the version4.0 extensions. With frontpage 98 extensions I have always been able to set up new accounts as a subweb as well as a virtual domain in order to allow them to upload pages before their domain name actually resolved. This seems to have been deprecated in the 2000 extensions. It seems that putting the directory for a virtual web beneath the server root is not allowed. I have not been able to successfully link the virtual directory to the server root to enable this either. Has anyone else ran into this and possibly come up with a solution? Thanks in advance. Jim Weeks jim@siteplus.com http://siteplus.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message