From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 6:58:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from host1.premier-hosting.com (host1.premier-hosting.com [206.47.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373E814D55 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 06:58:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@premier-networks.com) Received: from premier-networks.com (ppp164.premier-dialup.com [206.47.86.164]) by host1.premier-hosting.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA61191 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 09:57:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3878A075.3B621A57@premier-networks.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 09:51:33 -0500 From: paul@premier-hosting.com Organization: Premier Networks X-Sender: "" <@host1.premier-hosting.com> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD -Premier (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: National carriers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is offtopic but I figure there's enough sys admin's on this list to give me some input... Our company is looking at providing national dialup and we are deciding whether or not to use a wholesale carrier or to invest into our own POP's. What you using out there and what kind of feedback to you get? We are looking at Ziplink and Megapop. Thanks, Paul PS - please reply via email as this is offtopic To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 11:33:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from inc.net (mailhost.inc.net [204.95.160.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEDFE14C81 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 11:33:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@inc.net) Received: from inc.net (ess.phreak.net [207.250.97.69]) by inc.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA03850; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 13:33:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3878E285.97452085@inc.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 13:33:25 -0600 From: Steve Kaczkowski Organization: Time Warner Telecom Internet & Data Division X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh,zh-CN,zh-TW,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Randy A. Katz" Cc: dannyman , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus References: <20000105165135.A29204@stumpy.dannyland.org> <3.0.5.32.20000108191602.03a36270@ccsales.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Randy A. Katz" wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > Can you get a reading of the drive statuses from FreeBSD? > No since the OS really doesn't know about the controller.. The only way to get status of the disks is via serial.. -- Steve Kaczkowski Time Warner Telecom IDD steve@inc.net (414)908-9012 http://www.inc.net (603)737-9209 Fax To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 12:38:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mars.aspenworks.net (aspenworks.com [192.94.236.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3438C14D86 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 12:38:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@aspenworks.com) Received: from aspenworks.com (s10-g-lv5.sopris.net [208.47.129.213]) by mars.aspenworks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA37636; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 13:37:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from alex@aspenworks.com) Message-ID: <3878F18E.29BFC955@aspenworks.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 13:37:34 -0700 From: Alex Huppenthal Reply-To: alex@aspenworks.com Organization: Aspenworks.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Kaczkowski Cc: "Randy A. Katz" , dannyman , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RAID for FreeBSD + Performance optimization References: <20000105165135.A29204@stumpy.dannyland.org> <3.0.5.32.20000108191602.03a36270@ccsales.com> <3878E285.97452085@inc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Excuse me, I'm confused. Where can I find a list of RAID controllers supported in the FreeBSD Operating System? Is there a 'standard' SCSI controller interface specification on the PCI bus side, that many manufacturer's build to? (chuckle) Otherwise, is the consensus about a $1,000 price range SCSI RAID controller ? For Operating System performance, do many of you setup your SWAP drive on a separate SCSI Controller? Seems that this configuration would improve performance significantly. (especially running RAID 5) Perhaps put the /tmp or /usr/tmp on that? hmmm or ram disk? Cheers, -Alex Steve Kaczkowski wrote: > > "Randy A. Katz" wrote: > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > Can you get a reading of the drive statuses from FreeBSD? > > > > No since the OS really doesn't know about the controller.. The only way > to get status > of the disks is via serial.. > > -- > Steve Kaczkowski Time Warner Telecom IDD > steve@inc.net (414)908-9012 > http://www.inc.net (603)737-9209 Fax > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 14:48:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from host1.premier-hosting.com (host1.premier-hosting.com [206.47.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8681914CF4 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 14:48:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@premier-networks.com) Received: from premier-networks.com (ppp164.premier-dialup.com [206.47.86.164]) by host1.premier-hosting.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA00368 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 17:47:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38790E9A.27D7C348@premier-networks.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 17:41:31 -0500 From: paul@premier-networks.com Organization: Premier Networks X-Sender: "" <@host1.premier-hosting.com> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD -Premier (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Offtopic: National Carriers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Don't think my message went on this topic already... apologies if it did... This is offtopic but I figure there's enough sys admin's on this list to give me some input... Our company is looking at providing national dialup and we are deciding whether or not to use a wholesale carrier or to invest into our own POP's. What you using out there and what kind of feedback to you get? We are looking at Ziplink and Megapop. Thanks, Paul PS - please reply via email as this is offtopic To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 15: 1:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net [129.250.36.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0A214CF4 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 15:01:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 127RKv-00079v-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2000 23:01:25 +0000 Received: from [157.238.16.49] (helo=bilver.magicnet.net) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 127RKF-0001PJ-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2000 23:00:44 +0000 Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA02993 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 17:58:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 17:58:12 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Offtopic: National Carriers Message-ID: <20000109175812.A2328@bilver.magicnet.net> References: <38790E9A.27D7C348@premier-networks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: <38790E9A.27D7C348@premier-networks.com> Organization: Vermillion Consulting Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 05:41:31PM -0500, Thus Spake paul@premier-networks.com: > Don't think my message went on this topic already... apologies if it > did... > This is offtopic but I figure there's enough sys admin's on this > list to > > give me some input... > Our company is looking at providing national dialup and we are > deciding whether or not to use a wholesale carrier or to invest > into our own POP's. > What you using out there and what kind of feedback to you get? We are > looking at Ziplink and Megapop. Well I don't really consider it off-topic - others may disagree - but it is the freebsd-isp list and ISP do nead dialup account. So who else have you looked at besides Ziplink and Megapop. Have you considered the offering from any of the carrier-grade providers such as Agis, Cable & Wireless, Level3. Who have you discard in your hunt. I'm sure we'd all be curious to know who and why. Bill -- Bill Vermillion bv @ wjv.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 16: 7: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DF114E1D for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:06:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 127SKy-0000KC-00; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:05:32 -0800 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:05:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: "Randy A. Katz" Cc: dannyman , Steve Kaczkowski , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000108191338.039c5b60@ccsales.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Randy A. Katz wrote: > Hi, > > I was told that the Sentinel's are not out yet but I just tried a 3101-u2g > and it works real well, but no way to monitor it remotely without doing > serial stuff. > > Does anyone know of a SCSI-TO-SCSI controller which has snmp or something > on the FreeBSD that can get a drive status reading? This will come in handy > big time when I have 100 servers that have RAID in one room! > > Thank you, > Randy Katz Use a serial cable to connect the IFT controller to a serial port. Then configure PPP on both the IFT and in FreeBSD, and you're done. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 16:11:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A8614BF7 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:11:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 127SPY-0000KR-00; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:10:16 -0800 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:10:16 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: dannyman Cc: "Randy A. Katz" , Steve Kaczkowski , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Infortrend RAID / Extending FBSD filesystem? In-Reply-To: <20000108192355.Q16985@stumpy.dannyland.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, dannyman wrote: > On Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 07:13:38PM -0800, Randy A. Katz wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I was told that the Sentinel's are not out yet but I just tried a 3101-u2g > > and it works real well, but no way to monitor it remotely without doing > > serial stuff. > > > > Does anyone know of a SCSI-TO-SCSI controller which has snmp or something > > on the FreeBSD that can get a drive status reading? This will come in handy > > big time when I have 100 servers that have RAID in one room! > > Infortrend's web site had a java-based software thing that could monitor over > the serial port or SCSI bus and then send data back via SNMP to a Java > console. They also have textual counterparts to this software, it sounds > like. But considering the IFT controller understands TCP/IP, and can be configured to support PPP, that likely won't necessary for remote monitoring. ... > A question I thought I'd share with you ... can FreeBSD handle with the idea > of a disk/slice/partition being expanded, or would I have to newfs the entire > disk? ie, can I build on to a RAID and extend the file system that FreeBSD > sees? How messy is this, and should I consider a different OS for this > functionality? (Maybe I should be looking at a Sparc?) You can't extend an existing filesystem, but you can turn the additional space into a new filesystem. I've heard of rumors tools to extend UFS filesystems off-line. BTW, Solaris (Sparc is hardware, not software), can support extension of filesystems, but only if you buy the Veritas volume manager. > Thanks, > -danny > > -- > come.to/dannyman Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 16:13:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from iohost.com (io001.iohost.com [209.189.124.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1524214A2E for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:13:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntserver (w146.z206111055.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [206.111.55.146]) by iohost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA01060; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:12:40 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000109161237.0360f100@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 16:12:37 -0800 To: Tom From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus Cc: dannyman , Steve Kaczkowski , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20000108191338.039c5b60@ccsales.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Freeeking cool!!! If this works then I have no more worries!!! No more patching drivers into kernels (Linux/Solaris) and hoping they don't crash before I get a drive reading! Thank you! Randy Katz At 04:05 PM 1/9/00 -0800, Tom wrote: > >On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Randy A. Katz wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I was told that the Sentinel's are not out yet but I just tried a 3101-u2g >> and it works real well, but no way to monitor it remotely without doing >> serial stuff. >> >> Does anyone know of a SCSI-TO-SCSI controller which has snmp or something >> on the FreeBSD that can get a drive status reading? This will come in handy >> big time when I have 100 servers that have RAID in one room! >> >> Thank you, >> Randy Katz > > Use a serial cable to connect the IFT controller to a serial port. Then >configure PPP on both the IFT and in FreeBSD, and you're done. > > >Tom > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 16:19: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D4A14EEC for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:19:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 127SWX-0000Kp-00; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:17:29 -0800 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:16:28 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Alex Huppenthal Cc: Steve Kaczkowski , "Randy A. Katz" , dannyman , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID for FreeBSD + Performance optimization In-Reply-To: <3878F18E.29BFC955@aspenworks.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Alex Huppenthal wrote: > Excuse me, I'm confused. Where can I find a list of RAID controllers > supported in the FreeBSD > Operating System? Errr... the documentation? There is a HARDWARE.TXT somewhere with all of that in it. > Is there a 'standard' SCSI controller interface specification on the PCI > bus side, that many manufacturer's build to? (chuckle) No. > Otherwise, is the consensus about a $1,000 price range SCSI RAID > controller ? I'd say between $500 and $1,500 US, depending on performance and features. > For Operating System performance, do many of you setup your SWAP drive > on a separate SCSI Controller? Seems that this configuration would > improve performance significantly. (especially running RAID 5) Depends on whether you intend on swapping that much or not. RAID controllers and good disks are expensive. If swapping is using up a so much disk bandwidth that it might require a dedicated channel, then you might want to make sure you have enough RAM first. > Perhaps put the /tmp or /usr/tmp on that? hmmm or ram disk? > > > Cheers, > > > -Alex Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 16:59:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from host1.premier-hosting.com (host1.premier-hosting.com [206.47.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D835814A11 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:59:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@premier-networks.com) Received: from premier-networks.com (ppp164.premier-dialup.com [206.47.86.164]) by host1.premier-hosting.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA25706; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:57:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38792D15.BE06EA50@premier-networks.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 19:51:34 -0500 From: paul@premier-networks.com Organization: Premier Networks X-Sender: "" <@host1.premier-hosting.com> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD -Premier (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Vermillion Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Offtopic: National Carriers References: <38790E9A.27D7C348@premier-networks.com> <20000109175812.A2328@bilver.magicnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I haven't discarded anyone yet.. these are the only two we've looked at so far..:) Hoping someone on this list already uses one of them and could share their thoughts... Paul Bill Vermillion wrote: > On Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 05:41:31PM -0500, Thus Spake paul@premier-networks.com: > > Don't think my message went on this topic already... apologies if it > > did... > > > This is offtopic but I figure there's enough sys admin's on this > > list to > > > > give me some input... > > > Our company is looking at providing national dialup and we are > > deciding whether or not to use a wholesale carrier or to invest > > into our own POP's. > > > What you using out there and what kind of feedback to you get? We are > > looking at Ziplink and Megapop. > > Well I don't really consider it off-topic - others may disagree - > but it is the freebsd-isp list and ISP do nead dialup account. > > So who else have you looked at besides Ziplink and Megapop. Have > you considered the offering from any of the carrier-grade > providers such as Agis, Cable & Wireless, Level3. > > Who have you discard in your hunt. I'm sure we'd all be curious to > know who and why. > > Bill > -- > Bill Vermillion bv @ wjv.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 17:22:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from host1.premier-hosting.com (host1.premier-hosting.com [206.47.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5585C14F47 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 17:22:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@premier-networks.com) Received: from premier-networks.com (ppp164.premier-dialup.com [206.47.86.164]) by host1.premier-hosting.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25879 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 20:20:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3879328D.9FB86A2F@premier-networks.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 20:14:53 -0500 From: paul@premier-networks.com Organization: Premier Networks X-Sender: "" <@host1.premier-hosting.com> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD -Premier (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Wireless T1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know of a cost effective way to provide between 128K and T1 speeds over wireless equipment? I need something slick but not expensive... Thanks, Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 17:24:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.snet.net (smtp.snet.net [204.60.6.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06C214D60 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 17:24:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmagistro@snet.net) Received: from snet.net (nwhn-sh22-port185.snet.net [204.60.238.185]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with ESMTP id UAA23007 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 20:24:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38793735.BAEAC52C@snet.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 01:34:46 +0000 From: Dominic Raiano X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13-7mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Wanted Freebsd Admins... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If your freebsd admin experienced in Security, Apache and perl programming then we are looking for you. I'm in desperate need of admins please email me at jobs@powershell.net to apply All admin work is remote, must be able to create custom perl applications Must have references or a resume, college students welcome to apply! We are a Webhosting and shell company located in Canada Thank you very much Dominic Raiano To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 17:27:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from binnen.mail.nl.demon.net (binnen.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.72.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8573D14D0A for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 17:27:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arjan@nl.demon.net) Received: from bunker.noc.nl.demon.net ([194.159.72.217]) by binnen.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 127Tba-000Cmv-00; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 02:26:46 +0100 Received: from arjan (helo=localhost) by bunker.noc.nl.demon.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 127Tfc-00071E-00; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 02:30:56 +0100 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 02:30:56 +0100 (CET) From: Arjan van der Oest X-Sender: arjan@bunker.noc.nl.demon.net To: Dominic Raiano Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wanted Freebsd Admins... In-Reply-To: <38793735.BAEAC52C@snet.net> Message-ID: X-no-archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Dominic Raiano wrote: > If your freebsd admin experienced in Security, Apache and perl > programming then we are looking for you. Never EVER do this again !!!! ao -- arjan van der oest - systems administrator - arjan@nl.demon.net Demon Internet NOC, Amsterdam. www.demon.nl My views cannot be held to represent those of Demon Internet... The truth is out there, trust no one To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 17:33:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from roble.com (roble.com [206.40.34.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B1414CE0 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 17:33:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sendmail@roble.com) Received: from roble2.roble.com (roble2.roble.com [206.40.34.52]) by roble.com (Roble1b) with SMTP id RAA13968 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 17:33:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 17:33:33 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Marquis To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Infortrend RAID / Extending FBSD filesystem? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > BTW, Solaris (Sparc is hardware, not software), can support extension > of filesystems, but only if you buy the Veritas volume manager. This hasn't been true for several years. Online Disksuite, which ships with the server version of Solaris, includes growfs. You can even growfs a filesystem on-line, without rebooting. -- Roger Marquis Roble Systems Consulting http://www.roble.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 17:41: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from arthur.intraceptives.com.au (arthur.intraceptives.com.au [203.22.72.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E60B14D55 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 17:41:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wwlists@intraceptives.com.au) Received: (qmail 48471 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2000 01:40:37 -0000 Received: from wks-pc1.intraceptives.com.au (HELO waddy) (203.22.72.32) by arthur.intraceptives.com.au with SMTP; 10 Jan 2000 01:40:37 -0000 Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000110123548.00dfd700@arthur.intraceptives.com.au> X-Sender: wwlists@arthur.intraceptives.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:40:36 +1100 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Warren Welch Subject: WAN Interface... In-Reply-To: References: <38793735.BAEAC52C@snet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I'm looking for a WAN interface (X21 or V35) for FreeBSD, preferably one that has some sort of frame-relay support. (What's FreeBSD's capabilities like with frame-relay?) Also, I'm after someone that preferably has an Australian distributor / dealer... Thanks in advance, Warren wwelch@intraceptives.com.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 18: 6:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDE314D73 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:06:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 127UDJ-0000Ou-00; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:05:45 -0800 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:05:44 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Roger Marquis Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Infortrend RAID / Extending FBSD filesystem? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Roger Marquis wrote: > > BTW, Solaris (Sparc is hardware, not software), can support extension > > of filesystems, but only if you buy the Veritas volume manager. > > This hasn't been true for several years. Online Disksuite, which ships > with the server version of Solaris, includes growfs. You can even > growfs a filesystem on-line, without rebooting. Sun reps still recommend Veritas over ODS. Weird as that is. My favorite is still AdvFS from DEC though. > -- > Roger Marquis > Roble Systems Consulting > http://www.roble.com/ Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 18:11:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au [202.14.186.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67A414DE8; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:11:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Stanley.Hopcroft@ipaustralia.gov.au) Received: (from smap@localhost) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA38145; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:09:30 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from Stanley.Hopcroft@ipaustralia.gov.au) X-Authentication-Warning: pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au: smap set sender to using -f Received: from noteshub01.aipo.gov.au(10.0.100.21) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au via smap (V2.0) id xma038141; Mon, 10 Jan 00 13:09:27 +1100 Received: by noteshub01.aipo.gov.au(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (778.2 1-4-1999)) id 4A256862.001160BA ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:09:48 +1000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IP_AUSTRALIA From: Stanley.Hopcroft@ipaustralia.gov.au To: questions@freebsd.org Cc: isp@freebsd.org, grog@lemis.com Message-ID: <4A256862.00115FA7.00@noteshub01.aipo.gov.au> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:09:45 +1000 Subject: Getting TCP connections prematurely FINned with duplxity mismatch - was read() fails (called from apache 1.3.9) on FreeBSD 3.2 -RELEASE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To: questions@freebsd.org cc: isp@freebsd.org, grog@lemis.com Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, I am writing to say the question recently asked about read() failing intermittently when called by apache 1.3.9 (and only with an RFC 1867 file upload) has an answer (courtesy Mr Carl Makin). Browser clients would report "connection reset by browser" when the browser attempted to upload a file over about one megabyte. tcpdump shows the FreeBSD/apache host sending a FIN packet (then a couple of RESEST) to the browsers TCP connection before the file upload is done. The problem seems not to be caused by . RFC 1323 extensions . RFC 1646 extensions It apparently *is* caused by a duplexity mismatch between the FreeBSD box and the adjacent (FreeBSD) router via a cross over cable. ifconfig fxp1 media 100baseTX mediaopt full-duplex removes all signs of the problem So, if anyone asks what causes read() on a socket to fail, you won't get fooled (like me). I suppose netstat -i fxp1 -w 1 when the problem was happening might have helped. Thank you, Yours sincerely, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 18:44:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from velvet.sensation.net.au (tunnel0-velvet-brunswick.sensation.net.au [203.20.114.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1ABE14FE7 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:44:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) Received: from localhost (rowan@localhost) by velvet.sensation.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA14959; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:43:51 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) X-Authentication-Warning: velvet.sensation.net.au: rowan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:43:49 +1100 (EST) From: Rowan Crowe To: aussie-isp@aussie.net Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: TX pro II motherboard Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I have some vague plans to build a low profile server, using a (reasonably) standard motherboard which includes everything needed on it. Along with a low profile power supply I hope to fit this into a 1 or 2RU rack mount case. So far the only motherboard suggested to me that has onboard ethernet and video as well as the usual onboard stuff is the TX pro II. Does anyone have any experience with this board? Even if it's in a home computer running Windoze, any good reports or horror stories will be appreciated. Also, does anyone know whether the onboard ethernet is a generic NE2000 (or similar generic chipset) which FreeBSD supports? The supplied Windows drivers will of course be totally useless... Cheers. -- Rowan Crowe http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/ Sensation Internet Services http://www.sensation.net.au/ Melbourne, Australia Phone: +61-3-9388-9260 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 19: 1:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from atlas.usls.edu (atlas.usls.edu [202.47.133.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853FB150BB for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:01:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from francis@usls.edu) Received: by atlas.usls.edu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 32D499B23; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:01:00 +0800 (PHT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atlas.usls.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FE75D14 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:01:00 +0800 (PHT) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:01:00 +0800 (PHT) From: "Francis A. Vidal" To: FreeBSD ISP Subject: sending announcements to POP3 users Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi all, what's the best way of sending announcements to POP3 users without manually sending them an e-mail? -- francis vidal university of st. la salle, bacolod city, philippines . . . . . . . PGP key available via e-mail / subject: get PGP key u s l s N E T tel nos. (+63.34).433.3526 / fax (+63.34).434.0415 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 19:14:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from atlas.usls.edu (atlas.usls.edu [202.47.133.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFEBD1503D for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:13:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from francis@usls.edu) Received: by atlas.usls.edu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D5A489B27; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:12:47 +0800 (PHT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atlas.usls.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5D15D14 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:12:47 +0800 (PHT) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:12:47 +0800 (PHT) From: "Francis A. Vidal" To: FreeBSD ISP Subject: billing/authentication software comparison Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi all, is there a resource somewhere that discusses the pros and cons of different billing & authentication software packages? -- francis vidal university of st. la salle, bacolod city, philippines . . . . . . . PGP key available via e-mail / subject: get PGP key u s l s N E T tel nos. (+63.34).433.3526 / fax (+63.34).434.0415 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 19:18:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from roble.com (roble.com [206.40.34.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6623C14E0A for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:18:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sendmail@roble.com) Received: from roble2.roble.com (roble2.roble.com [206.40.34.52]) by roble.com (Roble1b) with SMTP id TAA14893 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:17:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:17:24 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Marquis To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Infortrend RAID / Extending FBSD filesystem? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Sun reps still recommend Veritas over ODS. Weird as that is. Profit motive no doubt, ODS being bundled and all. Sun's Volume Manager class covers all the details. A solid week of SANs! ODS for the root disk and VM for the SAN is a popular configuration. I still prefer ODS for root and up to 2 (directly attached) arrays. > My favorite is still AdvFS from DEC though. AdvFS, I haven't seen that. What advantages does it have over ODS or VM? Much as I like FreeBSD, Sun is the way to go for large disk farms. -- Roger Marquis Roble Systems Consulting http://www.roble.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 19:54:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net [129.250.36.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E53D15394 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:54:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 127Vtn-0001OW-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 03:53:43 +0000 Received: from [157.238.16.49] (helo=bilver.magicnet.net) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 127Vsv-0003K6-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 03:52:56 +0000 Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) id WAA13518 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:50:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:50:01 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Offtopic: National Carriers Message-ID: <20000109225001.A13463@bilver.magicnet.net> References: <38790E9A.27D7C348@premier-networks.com> <20000109175812.A2328@bilver.magicnet.net> <38792D15.BE06EA50@premier-networks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: <38792D15.BE06EA50@premier-networks.com> Organization: Vermillion Consulting Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 07:51:34PM -0500, Thus Spake paul@premier-networks.com: > I haven't discarded anyone yet.. these are the only two we've > looked at so far..:) > Hoping someone on this list already uses one of them and could > share their thoughts... Some people I'm doing some consulting for are looking at Agis for the major market solution - one login from anywhere in the country - and minimum number of ports. Once the city count gets to a decent level then the Level 3 solution looks pretty good. I also saw a pitch by Cable and Wireless - but it was more aimed at making someone a virtual ISP. They did all the work and even produced a custom logoed CD so it looked it was your company. THere appear to many alternative ways to approach things Bill -- Bill Vermillion bv @ wjv.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 20:59:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from roble.com (roble.com [206.40.34.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D6E150B8 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 20:59:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sendmail@roble.com) Received: from roble2.roble.com (roble2.roble.com [206.40.34.52]) by roble.com (Roble1b) with SMTP id UAA16080 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 20:59:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 20:59:11 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Marquis To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Offtopic: National Carriers In-Reply-To: <20000109225001.A13463@bilver.magicnet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Some people I'm doing some consulting for are looking at Agis for > the major market solution - one login from anywhere in the country > - and minimum number of ports. Didn't Agis get their name from supplying connectivity to UCE accounts? If that's true then I'd be careful to avoid subnets that might still be in various SMTP filters. WRT agisdial, I've only received one spam from them, so far. Probably listed in RBL's DUL by now. -- Roger Marquis Roble Systems Consulting http://www.roble.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 21:37:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D15150C4 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 21:37:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 127X2x-0000UE-00; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 21:07:15 -0800 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 21:06:34 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Roger Marquis Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Infortrend RAID / Extending FBSD filesystem? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Roger Marquis wrote: > > Sun reps still recommend Veritas over ODS. Weird as that is. > > Profit motive no doubt, ODS being bundled and all. > > Sun's Volume Manager class covers all the details. A solid week of > SANs! ODS for the root disk and VM for the SAN is a popular > configuration. I still prefer ODS for root and up to 2 (directly > attached) arrays. I hate Sun reps. They make a big deal about wanting to put together a "solution", but then end up throwing together a bunch of parts. > > My favorite is still AdvFS from DEC though. > > AdvFS, I haven't seen that. What advantages does it have over ODS or > VM? Filesystems can share partitions. For instance, /usr and /var can be separate filesystems, but share the same storage. This is great for things like quotas. You can add and remove partitions to the storage pool as needed. Plus, AdvFS is journalled, and supports ACLs. AdvFS is the filesystem, it isn't a volume manager. DEC also uses LVM for handling the storage partitions themselves. Of course the lines between the filesystem and the volume manager are getting very blurry. > Much as I like FreeBSD, Sun is the way to go for large disk farms. Perhaps for the server itself, but Sun storage arrays seem very overpriced (ie A5000 series). > -- > Roger Marquis > Roble Systems Consulting > http://www.roble.com/ > Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 22: 4:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from roble.com (roble.com [206.40.34.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BAF414C85 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:04:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sendmail@roble.com) Received: from roble2.roble.com (roble2.roble.com [206.40.34.52]) by roble.com (Roble1b) with SMTP id WAA17077 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:04:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:04:33 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Marquis To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Infortrend RAID / Extending FBSD filesystem? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Much as I like FreeBSD, Sun is the way to go for large disk farms. > > Perhaps for the server itself, but Sun storage arrays seem very > overpriced (ie A5000 series). Overpriced compared to what, EMC, NetApp, Auspex? Where else can you get a quad FC-AL attached array the size of a PC with 22 10Krpm dual ported drives? I installed one of these on an E4500 a few months ago with Oracle, Veritas' FastIO, near-line backups, hot-swap and redundant everything. The 200MB/s throughput is also hard to beat. I don't know of a better Unix solution at any price for 2+TB per cabinet that can be separated from it's servers and mirrors by several kilometers of fiber. Not cheap to be sure but cheaper than trying to manage a bunch of stand-alone/NFS fileservers. -- Roger Marquis Roble Systems Consulting http://www.roble.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 9 22:10:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from arnold.neland.dk (mail.neland.dk [194.255.12.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D7E14EA9 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:10:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arnold.neland.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA76443; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:07:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:07:06 +0100 (CET) From: Leif Neland To: "Francis A. Vidal" Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: sending announcements to POP3 users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Francis A. Vidal wrote: > hi all, > > what's the best way of sending announcements to POP3 users without > manually sending them an e-mail? > Bulletins. Both qpopper and cucipop supports'em. Put one message in the bulletin dir, and it appears to be in each pop'users mailfile. Check the doc's, doc. Leif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 4: 8:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from host1.premier-hosting.com (host1.premier-hosting.com [206.47.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E56014D12 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:08:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@premier-networks.com) Received: from premier-networks.com (ppp164.premier-dialup.com [206.47.86.164]) by host1.premier-hosting.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA33563; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:06:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3879C9D9.576691B7@premier-networks.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:00:26 -0500 From: paul@premier-networks.com Organization: Premier Networks X-Sender: "" <@host1.premier-hosting.com> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD -Premier (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Vermillion Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Offtopic: National Carriers References: <38790E9A.27D7C348@premier-networks.com> <20000109175812.A2328@bilver.magicnet.net> <38792D15.BE06EA50@premier-networks.com> <20000109225001.A13463@bilver.magicnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That's what I've found with AGIS so far as well.... they only want to do the bundled solution.... C&W doesn't seem to cover a lot of POP's in their solution.... We're still deciding between Ziplink and Megapop for now.... we only have a very small amount of possible users in the immediate time frame so Ziplink's minimum of $100/month versus Megapop's minimum $500/month looks more attractive. However Megapop has more POP's and covers some Canadian cities as well which is attractive to our needs...:) Paul Bill Vermillion wrote: > On Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 07:51:34PM -0500, Thus Spake > paul@premier-networks.com: > > > I haven't discarded anyone yet.. these are the only two we've > > looked at so far..:) > > > Hoping someone on this list already uses one of them and could > > share their thoughts... > > Some people I'm doing some consulting for are looking at Agis for > the major market solution - one login from anywhere in the country > - and minimum number of ports. > > Once the city count gets to a decent level then the Level 3 > solution looks pretty good. > > I also saw a pitch by Cable and Wireless - but it was more aimed at > making someone a virtual ISP. They did all the work and even > produced a custom logoed CD so it looked it was your company. > > THere appear to many alternative ways to approach things > > Bill > -- > Bill Vermillion bv @ wjv.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 4: 8:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from host1.premier-hosting.com (host1.premier-hosting.com [206.47.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373C014D3D for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:08:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@premier-networks.com) Received: from premier-networks.com (ppp164.premier-dialup.com [206.47.86.164]) by host1.premier-hosting.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA33567; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:07:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3879CA07.414D0727@premier-networks.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:01:11 -0500 From: paul@premier-networks.com Organization: Premier Networks X-Sender: "" <@host1.premier-hosting.com> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD -Premier (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roger Marquis Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Offtopic: National Carriers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That's true as well... AGIS is not well liked in the email world of spam...:) Thanks for the reminder... Paul Roger Marquis wrote: > > Some people I'm doing some consulting for are looking at Agis for > > the major market solution - one login from anywhere in the country > > - and minimum number of ports. > > Didn't Agis get their name from supplying connectivity to UCE > accounts? If that's true then I'd be careful to avoid subnets that > might still be in various SMTP filters. > > WRT agisdial, I've only received one spam from them, so far. Probably > listed in RBL's DUL by now. > > -- > Roger Marquis > Roble Systems Consulting > http://www.roble.com/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 4:34:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from paladincorp.com.au (paladincorp.com.au [203.101.1.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 745831502C for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:33:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from torqumada@paladincorp.com.au) Received: (qmail 23178 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2000 12:33:39 -0000 Received: from wagner.paladincorp.com.au (192.168.0.6) by beethoven.paladincorp.com.au with SMTP; 10 Jan 2000 12:33:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:33:30 +1100 (EST) From: Norman Widders To: "Francis A. Vidal" Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: sending announcements to POP3 users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Francis A. Vidal wrote: you can not with POP3.. but you can with IMAP... it also depends on their having a non-broken IMAP client so ymmv. /Norman > hi all, > > what's the best way of sending announcements to POP3 users without > manually sending them an e-mail? > > -- > francis vidal university of st. la salle, bacolod city, philippines > . . . . . . . PGP key available via e-mail / subject: get PGP key > u s l s N E T tel nos. (+63.34).433.3526 / fax (+63.34).434.0415 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > Norman Widders - Paladin Corporation Pty Ltd. ACN: 081-191-611 The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne - Chaucer NIC: NW83-AU FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris, SCO, Debian Software Engineering: c/c++/perl/sql/eiffel/pascal/haskell/php Ph: +612 9835-4782 Fax: +612 9864-0487 Mobile: 0416-207-857 Powered by Symetric Multiple Processors running on FreeBSD 3.4/SMP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 4:39:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.prescient.co.za (mail.prescient.co.za [196.25.167.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5D114D54 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:39:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rip@pinetec.co.za) Received: from rip by mail.prescient.co.za with local (Exim 2.05 #1) id 127e6G-0003Xs-00; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:39:08 +0200 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:39:08 +0200 From: "R.I.Pienaar" To: Norman Widders Cc: "Francis A. Vidal" , FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: sending announcements to POP3 users Message-ID: <20000110143908.P5120@pinetec.co.za> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org qpopper support bulletins that gets sent to all users. > > hi all, > > > > what's the best way of sending announcements to POP3 users without > > manually sending them an e-mail? > > > > -- > > francis vidal university of st. la salle, bacolod city, philippines > > . . . . . . . PGP key available via e-mail / subject: get PGP key > > u s l s N E T tel nos. (+63.34).433.3526 / fax (+63.34).434.0415 > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > -- R.I. Pienaar rip@pinetec.co.za "I don't know. I'm confused. Who *are* you? Where are my shoes?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 4:39:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from host1.premier-hosting.com (host1.premier-hosting.com [206.47.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3291514FDD for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:39:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@premier-networks.com) Received: from premier-networks.com (ppp164.premier-dialup.com [206.47.86.164]) by host1.premier-hosting.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA33686; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:37:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3879D107.F8F8881@premier-networks.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:31:03 -0500 From: paul@premier-networks.com Organization: Premier Networks X-Sender: "" <@host1.premier-hosting.com> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD -Premier (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Norman Widders Cc: "Francis A. Vidal" , FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: sending announcements to POP3 users References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We do it all the time with the bulletins feature of cucipop and it works great...:) :) Paul Norman Widders wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Francis A. Vidal wrote: > > you can not with POP3.. but you can with IMAP... > it also depends on their having a non-broken IMAP client so ymmv. > > /Norman > > > hi all, > > > > what's the best way of sending announcements to POP3 users without > > manually sending them an e-mail? > > > > -- > > francis vidal university of st. la salle, bacolod city, philippines > > . . . . . . . PGP key available via e-mail / subject: get PGP key > > u s l s N E T tel nos. (+63.34).433.3526 / fax (+63.34).434.0415 > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > Norman Widders - Paladin Corporation Pty Ltd. ACN: 081-191-611 > The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne - Chaucer > NIC: NW83-AU FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris, SCO, Debian > Software Engineering: c/c++/perl/sql/eiffel/pascal/haskell/php > Ph: +612 9835-4782 Fax: +612 9864-0487 Mobile: 0416-207-857 > Powered by Symetric Multiple Processors running on FreeBSD 3.4/SMP > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 4:46:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from paladincorp.com.au (paladincorp.com.au [203.101.1.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 97D0114E97 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:46:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from torqumada@paladincorp.com.au) Received: (qmail 23200 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2000 12:46:25 -0000 Received: from wagner.paladincorp.com.au (192.168.0.6) by beethoven.paladincorp.com.au with SMTP; 10 Jan 2000 12:46:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:46:20 +1100 (EST) From: Norman Widders To: paul@premier-networks.com Cc: "Francis A. Vidal" , FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: sending announcements to POP3 users In-Reply-To: <3879D107.F8F8881@premier-networks.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 paul@premier-networks.com wrote: hi, hmm a non-standard feature of POP3 ? is it in the rfc's ? i might have missed it or is it an extension that cucipop has added ? whereas with IMAP sending an alert to all users is part of the protocol/RFC... /Norman > We do it all the time with the bulletins feature of cucipop and it works > great...:) :) > > Paul > > > Norman Widders wrote: > > > On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Francis A. Vidal wrote: > > > > you can not with POP3.. but you can with IMAP... > > it also depends on their having a non-broken IMAP client so ymmv. > > > > /Norman > > > > > hi all, > > > > > > what's the best way of sending announcements to POP3 users without > > > manually sending them an e-mail? > > > > > > -- > > > francis vidal university of st. la salle, bacolod city, philippines > > > . . . . . . . PGP key available via e-mail / subject: get PGP key > > > u s l s N E T tel nos. (+63.34).433.3526 / fax (+63.34).434.0415 > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > Norman Widders - Paladin Corporation Pty Ltd. ACN: 081-191-611 > > The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne - Chaucer > > NIC: NW83-AU FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris, SCO, Debian > > Software Engineering: c/c++/perl/sql/eiffel/pascal/haskell/php > > Ph: +612 9835-4782 Fax: +612 9864-0487 Mobile: 0416-207-857 > > Powered by Symetric Multiple Processors running on FreeBSD 3.4/SMP > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > Norman Widders - Paladin Corporation Pty Ltd. ACN: 081-191-611 The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne - Chaucer NIC: NW83-AU FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris, SCO, Debian Software Engineering: c/c++/perl/sql/eiffel/pascal/haskell/php Ph: +612 9835-4782 Fax: +612 9864-0487 Mobile: 0416-207-857 Powered by Symetric Multiple Processors running on FreeBSD 3.4/SMP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 5:25:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cliff.i-plus.net (cliff.i-plus.net [209.100.20.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C77615953 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 05:20:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from st@i-plus.net) Received: from phat (was.dashit.net [209.100.22.251]) by cliff.i-plus.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA77344; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:20:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Troy Settle" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Offtopic: National Carriers Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:19:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3879C9D9.576691B7@premier-networks.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Paul, I'd reccomend using 2 or 3 different wholesalers. Megapop and Ziplink are both good places to start. You might want to check with PSI, GTE, and UUNET. I think Sprint has a wholesale solution as well. G'luck, Troy > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of > paul@premier-networks.com > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 7:00 AM > To: Bill Vermillion > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Offtopic: National Carriers > > > That's what I've found with AGIS so far as well.... they only want to do > the bundled solution.... C&W doesn't seem to cover a lot of POP's in > their solution.... > > We're still deciding between Ziplink and Megapop for now.... we only > have a very small amount of possible users in the immediate time frame > so Ziplink's minimum of $100/month versus Megapop's minimum $500/month > looks more attractive. However Megapop has more POP's and covers some > Canadian cities as well which is attractive to our needs...:) > > Paul > > > Bill Vermillion wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 07:51:34PM -0500, Thus Spake > > paul@premier-networks.com: > > > > > I haven't discarded anyone yet.. these are the only two we've > > > looked at so far..:) > > > > > Hoping someone on this list already uses one of them and could > > > share their thoughts... > > > > Some people I'm doing some consulting for are looking at Agis for > > the major market solution - one login from anywhere in the country > > - and minimum number of ports. > > > > Once the city count gets to a decent level then the Level 3 > > solution looks pretty good. > > > > I also saw a pitch by Cable and Wireless - but it was more aimed at > > making someone a virtual ISP. They did all the work and even > > produced a custom logoed CD so it looked it was your company. > > > > THere appear to many alternative ways to approach things > > > > Bill > > -- > > Bill Vermillion bv @ wjv.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 5:42:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from avon.desilva.co.uk (avon.desilva.co.uk [212.19.64.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39041526A for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 05:38:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david@desilva.co.uk) Received: from davidds (gate.netcomconsult.co.uk [212.19.64.126]) by avon.desilva.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA01983 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:38:07 GMT (envelope-from david@desilva.co.uk) Received: from 212.19.76.26 by barney.netcomconsult.co.uk Sun, 09 Jan 2000 13:41:00 -0000 Message-ID: <004d01bf5b6f$e5fc5500$1a4c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk> From: "David De Silva" To: References: <3879328D.9FB86A2F@premier-networks.com> Subject: Re: Wireless T1 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:37:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Does anyone know of a cost effective way to provide between 128K and = T1 > speeds over wireless equipment? I need something slick but not > expensive... For WAN or LAN application? There are plenty of wireless LAN vendors out = there that will give you shared access to a 3Mbit/s channel, but if you = want to provide commercial wireless service to an area then you could = have a look at Breezecom's BreezeAccess system (www.breezecom.com). David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 5:58:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from host1.premier-hosting.com (host1.premier-hosting.com [206.47.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C23B14E4A for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 05:58:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@premier-networks.com) Received: from premier-networks.com (internal-admin.premier-hosting.com [206.47.86.6]) by host1.premier-hosting.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA34203; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:56:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3879DEE3.30767035@premier-networks.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:30:11 -0500 From: "Paul Stewart (Premier Networks)" Organization: Premier Networks X-Sender: "Paul Stewart (Premier Networks)" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD -Premier (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David De Silva Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wireless T1 References: <3879328D.9FB86A2F@premier-networks.com> <004d01bf5b6f$e5fc5500$1a4c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------34CAE898AAA0350F1BD32EC3" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------34CAE898AAA0350F1BD32EC3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm looking to hook a customer up across the street from me... the 3mb/s solution sounds good..;) Paul David De Silva wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a cost effective way to provide between 128K and T1 > > speeds over wireless equipment? I need something slick but not > > expensive... > > For WAN or LAN application? There are plenty of wireless LAN vendors out there that will give you shared access to a 3Mbit/s channel, but if you want to provide commercial wireless service to an area then you could have a look at Breezecom's BreezeAccess system (www.breezecom.com). > > David > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Paul Stewart 649 The Parkway President Suite #6 Premier Networks Peterborough, ON 1-800-821-3381 K9J 7K2 -web hosting -network consulting -web design -computer hardware/software -global dialup service -toner supplies -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.premier-networks.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= --------------34CAE898AAA0350F1BD32EC3 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="paul.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Paul Stewart (Premier Networks) Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="paul.vcf" begin:vcard n:Stewart;Paul tel;pager:n/a tel;cell:n/a tel;fax:705-740-0443 tel;work:705-740-0442 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.premier-networks.com org:Premier Networks adr:;;649 The Parkway, Suite #6;Peterborough;Ontario;K9J 7K2;Canada version:2.1 email;internet:paul@premier-networks.com title:President fn:Paul Stewart end:vcard --------------34CAE898AAA0350F1BD32EC3-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 6:39:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from avon.desilva.co.uk (avon.desilva.co.uk [212.19.64.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D4D14ED2 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 06:39:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david@desilva.co.uk) Received: from davidds (gate.netcomconsult.co.uk [212.19.64.126]) by avon.desilva.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA02131 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:39:26 GMT (envelope-from david@desilva.co.uk) Received: from 212.19.76.26 by barney.netcomconsult.co.uk Sun, 09 Jan 2000 14:42:20 -0000 Message-ID: <008001bf5b78$75d35310$1a4c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk> From: "David De Silva" To: References: <3879328D.9FB86A2F@premier-networks.com> <004d01bf5b6f$e5fc5500$1a4c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk> <3879DEE3.30767035@premier-networks.com> Subject: Re: Wireless T1 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:39:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm looking to hook a customer up across the street from me... the = 3mb/s > solution sounds good..;) If it's literally "across the street" then you could probably use any of = the indoor products (Wi-LAN's Hopper, Lucent's WaveLAN, Breezecom's = BreezeNet) with a line-of-sight between office windows. If the distance = is greater or you don't have a direct LOS then you need to be = considering one of the external point-to-point solutions, such as = BreezeLink. These products will give you ~2Mbit/s usable bandwidth to = the remote site that can't be throttled back. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 6:47: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from richard2.pil.net (richard2.pil.net [207.8.164.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 29C3C14E19 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 06:46:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from up@3.am) Received: (qmail 10801 invoked by uid 1825); 10 Jan 2000 14:46:55 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jan 2000 14:46:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:46:55 -0500 (EST) From: X-Sender: up@richard2.pil.net To: Troy Settle Cc: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: RE: Offtopic: National Carriers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Troy Settle wrote: > I'd reccomend using 2 or 3 different wholesalers. Megapop and Ziplink are > both good places to start. You might want to check with PSI, GTE, and > UUNET. I think Sprint has a wholesale solution as well. What would bother me about this, and why I don't do more outsourcing, is that you may end up paying 2 or 3 carriers for the same users in a given month if they, A) Roam between one area of coverage and another or B) Your carriers have overlapping coverage, and your users use both in a month. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of > > paul@premier-networks.com > > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 7:00 AM > > To: Bill Vermillion > > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: Offtopic: National Carriers > > > > > > That's what I've found with AGIS so far as well.... they only want to do > > the bundled solution.... C&W doesn't seem to cover a lot of POP's in > > their solution.... > > > > We're still deciding between Ziplink and Megapop for now.... we only > > have a very small amount of possible users in the immediate time frame > > so Ziplink's minimum of $100/month versus Megapop's minimum $500/month > > looks more attractive. However Megapop has more POP's and covers some > > Canadian cities as well which is attractive to our needs...:) > > > > Paul > > > > > > Bill Vermillion wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 07:51:34PM -0500, Thus Spake > > > paul@premier-networks.com: > > > > > > > I haven't discarded anyone yet.. these are the only two we've > > > > looked at so far..:) > > > > > > > Hoping someone on this list already uses one of them and could > > > > share their thoughts... > > > > > > Some people I'm doing some consulting for are looking at Agis for > > > the major market solution - one login from anywhere in the country > > > - and minimum number of ports. > > > > > > Once the city count gets to a decent level then the Level 3 > > > solution looks pretty good. > > > > > > I also saw a pitch by Cable and Wireless - but it was more aimed at > > > making someone a virtual ISP. They did all the work and even > > > produced a custom logoed CD so it looked it was your company. > > > > > > THere appear to many alternative ways to approach things > > > > > > Bill > > > -- > > > Bill Vermillion bv @ wjv.com > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ========================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 6:50:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from richard2.pil.net (richard2.pil.net [207.8.164.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3436C151E6 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 06:50:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from up@3.am) Received: (qmail 11178 invoked by uid 1825); 10 Jan 2000 14:50:43 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jan 2000 14:50:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:50:43 -0500 (EST) From: X-Sender: up@richard2.pil.net To: Roger Marquis Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Offtopic: National Carriers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Roger Marquis wrote: > > Some people I'm doing some consulting for are looking at Agis for > > the major market solution - one login from anywhere in the country > > - and minimum number of ports. > > Didn't Agis get their name from supplying connectivity to UCE > accounts? If that's true then I'd be careful to avoid subnets that > might still be in various SMTP filters. Well, it is true that for a while, they were better known as A Grubby Internet Spam-haven rather than Apex Global Information Services, but that's water under the bridge. > WRT agisdial, I've only received one spam from them, so far. Probably > listed in RBL's DUL by now. AFAIK, AGIS's network is not blackholed anywhere, and anybody that has AGIS blocks in their SMTP filters desparately needs to update them; they've been Spam-free since for a couple of years now. James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ========================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 7:26:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cs1.cityscope.net (cs1.cityscope.net [206.222.183.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7414151FA for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:26:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ingrid@cityscope.net) Received: from cityscope.net (isdn146.cityscope.net [209.16.49.146]) by cs1.cityscope.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA17207 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:26:06 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3879FB81.B5D9DB89@cityscope.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:32:17 -0600 From: Ingrid Kast Fuller Reply-To: ingrid@cityscope.net Organization: CityScope Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Offtopic: National Carriers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Now if we can only do something about PSI.NET about spammers! I think they are the SPAM HAVEN now. Put one of my ISP friends down this weekend! up@3.am wrote: > On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Roger Marquis wrote: > > > > Some people I'm doing some consulting for are looking at Agis for > > > the major market solution - one login from anywhere in the country > > > - and minimum number of ports. > > > > Didn't Agis get their name from supplying connectivity to UCE > > accounts? If that's true then I'd be careful to avoid subnets that > > might still be in various SMTP filters. > > Well, it is true that for a while, they were better known as A Grubby > Internet Spam-haven rather than Apex Global Information Services, but > that's water under the bridge. > > > WRT agisdial, I've only received one spam from them, so far. Probably > > listed in RBL's DUL by now. > > AFAIK, AGIS's network is not blackholed anywhere, and anybody that has > AGIS blocks in their SMTP filters desparately needs to update them; > they've been Spam-free since for a couple of years now. ********************************* Ingrid Kast Fuller CityScope Computer Services CityScope Net 3910 Fairmont Parkway Suite K Pasadena, TX 77504-3066 Email: ingrid@cityscope.net Web: http://www.cityscope.net 1 281 998-CITY (2489) ********************************* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 8:21: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx.calweb.com (mx.calweb.com [209.210.251.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8CA14A1E for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:21:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdugaue@calweb.com) Received: from staff.calweb.com (rdugaue@staff.calweb.com [209.210.251.15]) by mx.calweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA58144; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:21:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:21:01 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Du Gaue To: David De Silva Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wireless T1 In-Reply-To: <008001bf5b78$75d35310$1a4c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I'm looking to hook a customer up across the street from me... the 3mb/s > > solution sounds good..;) > > If it's literally "across the street" then you could probably use any > of the indoor products (Wi-LAN's Hopper, Lucent's WaveLAN, Breezecom's > BreezeNet) with a line-of-sight between office windows. If the > distance is greater or you don't have a direct LOS then you need to be > considering one of the external point-to-point solutions, such as > BreezeLink. These products will give you ~2Mbit/s usable bandwidth to > the remote site that can't be throttled back. Aironet is another option. It does have the ability to do either 1MB or 2MB. The base can do upto 10MB so you can put the 1/2MB units at the customer sites and the larger unit at your site. If you never see selling another, use the smaller ones. the 10MB unit is about ~$1700, the 1/2MB units are ~$700. Antennas and cable add about another $300 per site, more if you have to provide your own mount. If it is window to window LOS Aironet has a flat window mount antenna. www.aironet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Du Gaue - rdugaue@calweb.com http://www.calweb.com CalWeb Internet Services Inc. (916) 641-9320 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 10:44:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from host1.premier-hosting.com (host1.premier-hosting.com [206.47.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519E115310 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 10:44:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@premier-networks.com) Received: from premier-networks.com (ppp164.premier-dialup.com [206.47.86.164]) by host1.premier-hosting.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA01694; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:44:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <387A26A8.20CF0B8E@premier-networks.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:36:24 -0500 From: paul@premier-networks.com Organization: Premier Networks X-Sender: "" <@host1.premier-hosting.com> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD -Premier (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Norman Widders Cc: "Francis A. Vidal" , FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: sending announcements to POP3 users References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Actually.. cucipop doesn't do it at least so I"m told but qpopper definately does.. I forgot we switched recently..:) Paul Norman Widders wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 paul@premier-networks.com wrote: > > hi, > > hmm a non-standard feature of POP3 ? is it in the rfc's ? i might have > missed it or is it an extension that cucipop has added ? > > whereas with IMAP sending an alert to all users is part of the > protocol/RFC... > > /Norman > > > We do it all the time with the bulletins feature of cucipop and it works > > great...:) :) > > > > Paul > > > > > > Norman Widders wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Francis A. Vidal wrote: > > > > > > you can not with POP3.. but you can with IMAP... > > > it also depends on their having a non-broken IMAP client so ymmv. > > > > > > /Norman > > > > > > > hi all, > > > > > > > > what's the best way of sending announcements to POP3 users without > > > > manually sending them an e-mail? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > francis vidal university of st. la salle, bacolod city, philippines > > > > . . . . . . . PGP key available via e-mail / subject: get PGP key > > > > u s l s N E T tel nos. (+63.34).433.3526 / fax (+63.34).434.0415 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > Norman Widders - Paladin Corporation Pty Ltd. ACN: 081-191-611 > > > The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne - Chaucer > > > NIC: NW83-AU FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris, SCO, Debian > > > Software Engineering: c/c++/perl/sql/eiffel/pascal/haskell/php > > > Ph: +612 9835-4782 Fax: +612 9864-0487 Mobile: 0416-207-857 > > > Powered by Symetric Multiple Processors running on FreeBSD 3.4/SMP > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > Norman Widders - Paladin Corporation Pty Ltd. ACN: 081-191-611 > The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne - Chaucer > NIC: NW83-AU FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris, SCO, Debian > Software Engineering: c/c++/perl/sql/eiffel/pascal/haskell/php > Ph: +612 9835-4782 Fax: +612 9864-0487 Mobile: 0416-207-857 > Powered by Symetric Multiple Processors running on FreeBSD 3.4/SMP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 13:18:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAA31538D for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:18:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9046A1C67; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B4893843; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:16:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:16:12 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: Rowan Crowe Cc: aussie-isp@aussie.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TX pro II motherboard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Rowan Crowe wrote: > I have some vague plans to build a low profile server, using a > (reasonably) standard motherboard which includes everything needed on it. > Along with a low profile power supply I hope to fit this into a 1 or 2RU > rack mount case. I bought a telenet (www.tesys.com, I think) 1U machine. They were at FreeBSDcon and I got to check one of them out there. Cool stuff, haven't had any problems. However the guy at the booth said the onboard ethernet was Intel EtherExpress (which was funny, because David Greenman was sitting right across from them and they had no idea who he was.) and when it came it was a: rl0: irq 11 at device 9.0 on pci0. This is bad, if you read if_rl.c, you'll see why. -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 14:30:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C52153A0 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:30:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA31850; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:28:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:28:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Bill Fumerola Cc: Rowan Crowe , aussie-isp@aussie.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TX pro II motherboard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Rowan Crowe wrote: > > I have some vague plans to build a low profile server, using a > > (reasonably) standard motherboard which includes everything needed on it. > > Along with a low profile power supply I hope to fit this into a 1 or 2RU > > rack mount case. > > I bought a telenet (www.tesys.com, I think) 1U machine. They were at > FreeBSDcon and I got to check one of them out there. Cool stuff, haven't > had any problems. > > However the guy at the booth said the onboard ethernet was Intel > EtherExpress (which was funny, because David Greenman was sitting right > across from them and they had no idea who he was.) and when it came it was a: > > rl0: irq 11 at device 9.0 on pci0. > > This is bad, if you read if_rl.c, you'll see why. Looks like their low-end 1U box uses the RealTek; the others seem to use the i82558 (EtherExpress). -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 14:41:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from otto.oss.uswest.net (otto.oss.uswest.net [204.147.85.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DEDB14A29 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:41:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pmckenna@oss.uswest.net) Received: (qmail 80754 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2000 22:45:23 -0000 Received: from otto.oss.uswest.net (HELO oss.uswest.net) (204.147.85.81) by otto.oss.uswest.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2000 22:45:23 -0000 Message-ID: <387A6103.3D531371@oss.uswest.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:45:23 -0600 From: Pete Mckenna X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rowan Crowe Cc: aussie-isp@aussie.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TX pro II motherboard References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We have 50 or so L440GX MB runnig FreeBSD and are pretty happy with them. They have a Intel PRO/100+ (Intel 82559) and Adaptec 7896 Dual Channel SCSI onboard. These boards also can export preboot info via a serial port which is nice for long distance bios access. We have many of these server in remote dark sites. A new rev is supposed to support up to 700MHZ PIII. Oh, and these are SMP boards. Pete Rowan Crowe wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have some vague plans to build a low profile server, using a > (reasonably) standard motherboard which includes everything needed on it. > Along with a low profile power supply I hope to fit this into a 1 or 2RU > rack mount case. > > So far the only motherboard suggested to me that has onboard ethernet and > video as well as the usual onboard stuff is the TX pro II. > > Does anyone have any experience with this board? Even if it's in a home > computer running Windoze, any good reports or horror stories will be > appreciated. > > Also, does anyone know whether the onboard ethernet is a generic NE2000 > (or similar generic chipset) which FreeBSD supports? The supplied Windows > drivers will of course be totally useless... > > Cheers. > > -- > Rowan Crowe http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/ > Sensation Internet Services http://www.sensation.net.au/ > Melbourne, Australia Phone: +61-3-9388-9260 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Peter McKenna U S WEST !NTERPRISE pmckenna@uswest.net http://www.interprise.com/ Main 612-664-4000 FAX 612-664-4770 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 15:27:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from transbay.net (dns1.transbay.net [209.133.53.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D389F153D3 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:27:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ecsd@transbay.net) Received: from transbay.net (rigel.transbay.net [209.133.53.177]) by transbay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09632; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:24:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <387A6C29.D18F805D@transbay.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:32:57 -0800 From: "UC Telecom + Transbay.Net" Organization: TransBay.Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: paul@premier-networks.com Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [paul@premier-networks.com: Wireless T1] References: <20000109224022.C30353@mooseriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We handle wireless equipment ranging from T1 to OC-3+. What do you consider expensive, and what is the application? > ----- Forwarded message from paul@premier-networks.com ----- > > Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 20:14:53 -0500 > From: paul@premier-networks.com > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD -Premier (Win98; I) > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Wireless T1 > > Does anyone know of a cost effective way to provide between 128K and T1 > speeds over wireless equipment? I need something slick but not > expensive... > > Thanks, > > Paul -- -sysad@transbay.net (Transbay Sysad) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 17: 2:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from velvet.sensation.net.au (tunnel0-velvet-brunswick.sensation.net.au [203.20.114.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF93215374 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:02:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) Received: from localhost (rowan@localhost) by velvet.sensation.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA20047 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:02:05 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) X-Authentication-Warning: velvet.sensation.net.au: rowan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:02:02 +1100 (EST) From: Rowan Crowe To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TX pro II motherboard In-Reply-To: <387A6103.3D531371@oss.uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Pete Mckenna wrote: > We have 50 or so L440GX MB runnig FreeBSD and are pretty happy with > them. > They have a Intel PRO/100+ (Intel 82559) and Adaptec 7896 Dual Channel > SCSI onboard. > These boards also can export preboot info via a serial port which is > nice for long distance bios access. We have many of these server in > remote dark sites. A new rev is supposed to support up to 700MHZ PIII. > Oh, and these are SMP boards. Sounds great, except for the price... a quick look at a price list shows that it's nearly 8 times that of the TX pro II! It won't be a high end server so that board would definitely be overkill. The serial port boot sounds good too - that's the only reason I need video on board, to configure the BIOS and debug any early boot problems... Cheers. -- Rowan Crowe http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/ Sensation Internet Services http://www.sensation.net.au/ Melbourne, Australia Phone: +61-3-9388-9260 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 17: 6: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E13153C8 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:05:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0596C1C2B; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012FF3819; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:07:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:07:11 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: "UC Telecom + Transbay.Net" Cc: paul@premier-networks.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [paul@premier-networks.com: Wireless T1] In-Reply-To: <387A6C29.D18F805D@transbay.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, UC Telecom + Transbay.Net wrote: > We handle wireless equipment ranging from T1 to OC-3+. > What do you consider expensive, and what is the application? Might I also add that they provided the FreeBSDcon terminal room with _excellent_ wireless connectivity. (They also have a sign that has in large letters "FreeBSD" on the outside of their store!). Most definatly recommended. -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 17:12:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from entoo.connect.com.au (entoo.connect.com.au [192.189.54.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140F614F77 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:12:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from duzzell@1stpenshurst-scouts.asn.au) Received: from duzzell (saints.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.197.126]) by entoo.connect.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 93696DD344; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:12:19 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <002501bf5bd1$49464e20$e1982acb@1stpenshurstscouts.asn.au> From: "David Uzzell" To: "Bill Fumerola" , "UC Telecom + Transbay.Net" Cc: , References: Subject: Re: [paul@premier-networks.com: Wireless T1] Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:15:00 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fumerola" To: "UC Telecom + Transbay.Net" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [paul@premier-networks.com: Wireless T1] > On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, UC Telecom + Transbay.Net wrote: > > > We handle wireless equipment ranging from T1 to OC-3+. > > What do you consider expensive, and what is the application? > > Might I also add that they provided the FreeBSDcon terminal room > with _excellent_ wireless connectivity. (They also have a sign > that has in large letters "FreeBSD" on the outside of their store!). > > Most definatly recommended. > > -- > - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - > - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - While we are on the subject. Has any one got any ideas on an Uplink provider in Sydney Australia that will do the same idea. I have looked and looked but can not find one maybe there is someone on the list or maybe you guys know of someone. Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 18:32:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from richard2.pil.net (richard2.pil.net [207.8.164.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EFA3E1532E for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:32:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from up@3.am) Received: (qmail 85847 invoked by uid 1825); 11 Jan 2000 02:32:38 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Jan 2000 02:32:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:32:38 -0500 (EST) From: X-Sender: up@richard2.pil.net To: Rowan Crowe Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TX pro II motherboard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, Rowan Crowe wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Pete Mckenna wrote: > > > We have 50 or so L440GX MB runnig FreeBSD and are pretty happy with > > them. > > They have a Intel PRO/100+ (Intel 82559) and Adaptec 7896 Dual Channel > > SCSI onboard. > > These boards also can export preboot info via a serial port which is > > nice for long distance bios access. We have many of these server in > > remote dark sites. A new rev is supposed to support up to 700MHZ PIII. > > Oh, and these are SMP boards. > > Sounds great, except for the price... a quick look at a price list shows > that it's nearly 8 times that of the TX pro II! It won't be a high end > server so that board would definitely be overkill. Does the TX pro II include onboard LVD SCSI, Fast Ether and SMP? BTW, I've seen the L440GX+'s at pricewatch.com for under $600 US... > The serial port boot sounds good too - that's the only reason I need video > on board, to configure the BIOS and debug any early boot problems... What I do is keep a serial cable plugged in it, going to a PM2e30, so I can telnet to the PM and attach to the serial port and do just about anything you can do from a "real" console, including boot a different kernel, get into the BIOS (looks kinda funny, though), etc. James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ========================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 23:15:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from transbay.net (dns1.transbay.net [209.133.53.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C473414DB5 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:15:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ecsd@transbay.net) Received: from transbay.net (rigel.transbay.net [209.133.53.177]) by transbay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00324; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:14:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <387ADA64.A0F2FEDA@transbay.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:23:16 -0800 From: "UC Telecom + Transbay.Net" Organization: TransBay.Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Uzzell Cc: Bill Fumerola , paul@premier-networks.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [paul@premier-networks.com: Wireless T1] References: <002501bf5bd1$49464e20$e1982acb@1stpenshurstscouts.asn.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Uzzell wrote: Bill Fumerola wrote: > While we are on the subject. Has any one got any ideas on an Uplink provider > in Sydney Australia that will do the same idea. I have looked and looked but > can not find one maybe there is someone on the list or maybe you guys know > of someone. Thanks Sorry, mate, I have no idea. You could ask the disproportionately large Australian contingent of FreeBSDers - Julian Elischer and Mike Smith being the names I recall immediately (sorry to the others I've actually met.) My understanding is that telstra is The australian phone company / ISP; anyone else doing anything else ends up using them upstream somewhere, I gather. But there are no doubt littler ISPs all around, brave enough to check out the wireless. Wireless's primary problem is that it isn't long-haul without being pricy and powerful - at the power levels in COTS products the range is max approx 25km without amplification. Certainly works at the periphery of cities though. I was in Sydney in 1964; probably a few things have changed since then. If nobody you can find there is doing wireless, why not you? (See 'telstra' above.) I forget the terrain, I recall it's largely flat, but I was on foot and 8 years old, so what do I know. New Zeeeland was fun, too. If you set up shop there and need advice, ring us up. We /will/ accept Kangaroos in trade, barring USDA regulations. - to be discussed. -- -sysad@transbay.net (Transbay Sysad) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 10 23:23:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from transbay.net (dns1.transbay.net [209.133.53.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8679414E6B for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:23:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ecsd@transbay.net) Received: from transbay.net (rigel.transbay.net [209.133.53.177]) by transbay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00499; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:22:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <387ADC1A.855C3088@transbay.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:30:34 -0800 From: "UC Telecom + Transbay.Net" Organization: TransBay.Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Uzzell Cc: Bill Fumerola , paul@premier-networks.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [paul@premier-networks.com: Wireless T1] References: <002501bf5bd1$49464e20$e1982acb@1stpenshurstscouts.asn.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry, I was replying to David Uzzell's question about Australia, not Bill Fumerola's kudos. Thanks for those. It seems to me that there are not that many transoceanic fiber links to Australia. I have seen a map of planned links which looks rather ambitious (but not many more to Australia.) I would assume Telstra is akin to PacBell and the Taiwanese National telecommunications service in not looking forward to competition, but if anyone wants to lay ocean fiber, I'll bet they stand a chance to clean up. Next stop, Tahiti? -- -sysad@transbay.net (Transbay Sysad) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 11 5:29:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from nak.zilch.net (nak.zilch.net [209.70.45.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA21C14D14 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 05:29:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zoonie@zilch.org) Received: from localhost (zoonie@localhost) by nak.zilch.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04839; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 08:27:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from zoonie@zilch.org) X-Authentication-Warning: nak.zilch.net: zoonie owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 08:27:40 -0500 (EST) From: zoonie X-Sender: zoonie@nak.zilch.net To: Bill Fumerola Cc: Rowan Crowe , aussie-isp@aussie.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TX pro II motherboard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org they have 1U servers with intel ethernet onboard. i have some that have the intel chipset. when you go to their website look for the models with "M" or "N" in the part number....they are really nice machines...you also need to be careful that you order the one with the door on the front if you want the door. they have some without the door too.... On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Rowan Crowe wrote: > > > I have some vague plans to build a low profile server, using a > > (reasonably) standard motherboard which includes everything needed on it. > > Along with a low profile power supply I hope to fit this into a 1 or 2RU > > rack mount case. > > I bought a telenet (www.tesys.com, I think) 1U machine. They were at > FreeBSDcon and I got to check one of them out there. Cool stuff, haven't > had any problems. > > However the guy at the booth said the onboard ethernet was Intel > EtherExpress (which was funny, because David Greenman was sitting right > across from them and they had no idea who he was.) and when it came it was a: > > rl0: irq 11 at device 9.0 on pci0. > > This is bad, if you read if_rl.c, you'll see why. > > -- > - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - > - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > --------------------------------------------- The devil finds work for idle circuits to do. --------------------------------------------- zoonie at zilch dot org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 11 5:44:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from proteus.eclipse.net.uk (proteus.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3F715480 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 05:44:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sh@eclipse.net.uk) Received: from eclipse.net.uk (elara.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.31]) by proteus.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CACB9B57; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:43:48 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <387B33BE.A13791D3@eclipse.net.uk> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:44:30 +0000 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: Eclipse Networking Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: paul@premier-networks.com Cc: Norman Widders , "Francis A. Vidal" , FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: sending announcements to POP3 users References: <387A26A8.20CF0B8E@premier-networks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Actually.. cucipop doesn't do it at least so I"m told but qpopper definately > does.. I forgot we switched recently..:) Depends whether you compile it in or not. I had cucipop doing this before I dropped cucipop. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 11 5:45:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from proteus.eclipse.net.uk (proteus.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA641548E for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 05:45:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sh@eclipse.net.uk) Received: from eclipse.net.uk (elara.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.31]) by proteus.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8A59B31; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:45:16 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <387B3416.65D91D96@eclipse.net.uk> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:45:58 +0000 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: Eclipse Networking Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ingrid@cityscope.net Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Offtopic: National Carriers References: <3879FB81.B5D9DB89@cityscope.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Now if we can only do something about PSI.NET about spammers! > I think they are the SPAM HAVEN now. Put one of my ISP friends down this > weekend! So, use DUL. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 11 7:23:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from otto.oss.uswest.net (otto.oss.uswest.net [204.147.85.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6596714F64 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 07:23:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pmckenna@oss.uswest.net) Received: (qmail 88868 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2000 15:27:47 -0000 Received: from otto.oss.uswest.net (HELO oss.uswest.net) (204.147.85.81) by otto.oss.uswest.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2000 15:27:47 -0000 Message-ID: <387B4BF3.DD55B5E6@oss.uswest.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:27:47 -0600 From: Pete Mckenna X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jason andrade Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Oz-ISP] Re: TX pro II motherboard References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org jason andrade wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, pmckenna wrote: > > > Sorry, > > > > This is an intel MB. > > We buy built servers, but price watch shows about $400 bucks which, if you > > want to use the onboard stuff isn't too bad. Here a link to the specs for > > ya. Sorry if this is a repeat to those on the list, Or sounds like an add for Intel. http://www.intel.com/design/servers/L440GX/prodspec.htm > > any chance you can mention a vendor you buy from and an exact > model of motherboard or PC ? Jason, I thought I did. it's an Intel l440gx motherboard. Price watch says it's $409 from these guys, who I know nothing about: http://www.simplexcom.com/ We buy systems from these folks, about $3600 with a single PIII 500, 512M Ram, and a 9Gig Seagate LVD drive. (This is a volume purchase price I'm told) http://www.reasoncomputer.com/Lancewood.htm > the price seems extremely good > for a Slot1/SCSI/dual board. Yeah like I said I think they kick ass, been around for over a year now too, and they just rereved the board for the 600MHZ + CPU's. >the comparable ASUS price is about $950. > > -jason FWIW Intel will is selling 2U servers based on this MB. http://channel.intel.com/isp/servers/lb440gx.htm Intel will soon have a new shorter version, we had the rep through with a near production server. 2U with 4 hotswap SCA drives. Looks very nice although they still have some case access issues to ironed out.It looks pretty much like the above but has a louvered black plastic front panel and will only be 24" deep I think this one is 28" or so. Pete -- Peter McKenna U S WEST !NTERPRISE pmckenna@uswest.net http://www.interprise.com/ Main 612-664-4000 FAX 612-664-4770 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 11 7:58:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from roble.com (roble.com [206.40.34.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13621520A for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 07:58:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sendmail@roble.com) Received: from roble2.roble.com (roble2.roble.com [206.40.34.52]) by roble.com (Roble1b) with SMTP id HAA08257 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 07:58:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 07:58:26 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Marquis To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Oz-ISP] Re: TX pro II motherboard In-Reply-To: <387B4BF3.DD55B5E6@oss.uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Sorry if this is a repeat to those on the list, Or sounds like an add > for Intel. Along those lines, does anyone know of a 1U/2U solution for AMD's Athlon? -- Roger Marquis Roble Systems Consulting http://www.roble.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 11 14:41: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dns.sonntag.org (dns.sonntag.org [216.140.186.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F9714DAA for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 14:40:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shino@hakkenden.com) Received: from win2knoc (st84043.nobell.com [216.140.184.43]) by dns.sonntag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA12861 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:32:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from shino@hakkenden.com) From: "Shino" To: "FreeBSD-ISP" Subject: FW: routed netbeui tcpdump Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:38:26 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This one kinda went untouched on questions list so I have decided to forward here and see if anyone can help. THANKS! Shino -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Shino Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 10:13 AM To: Freebsd-Questions Subject: routed netbeui tcpdump I have several router boxes running freebsd RouteD. I thought routed only passed tcp packets but I am seeing netbeui and ipx packets as well... stuff I would only expect to see in a bridge situation. Any thoughts on why routed might be passing netbeui packets? Secondarily would tcpdump catch netbeui packets or just tcp packets? Thanks! Shino To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 11 16: 7:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net (bsdie.rwsystems.net [209.197.223.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8671214E2F; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:07:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwyatt@rwsystems.net) Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net([209.197.223.2]) (2102 bytes) by bsdie.rwsystems.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 17:58:08 -0600 (CST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #1 built 1999-Aug-7) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 17:58:04 -0600 (CST) From: James Wyatt To: Shino Cc: FreeBSD-ISP , owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FW: routed netbeui tcpdump In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org tcpdump just dumps what the /dev/bpf? sees and that appears to be any valid ENet packet. (incl: DLC, NetBEUI, AppleTalk, LAT) The man page for bpf says 'All packets' arrive when in promiscuous mode. There are flags to restrict tcpdump to 'ip only' or other traffic. Secondarily, are sure the packets are coming from the FreeBSD router boxes? Even network laser printer servers (little EtherJets, etc) can spew junk onto local LANs. It doesn't take long for you to get a list of ENet addresses to guess at what's generating the junk. (See ethereal as well!) Very useful when someone gives you the wrong set of IP addresses, but they at least know where an ENet jack for your FreeBSD laptop is... - Jy@ On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, Shino wrote: > This one kinda went untouched on questions list so I have decided to forward > here and see if anyone can help. [ ... ] > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Shino > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 10:13 AM > To: Freebsd-Questions > Subject: routed netbeui tcpdump > > I have several router boxes running freebsd RouteD. I thought routed only > passed tcp packets but I am seeing netbeui and ipx packets as well... stuff I > would only expect to see in a bridge situation. Any thoughts on why routed > might be passing netbeui packets? > > Secondarily would tcpdump catch netbeui packets or just tcp packets? [ ... ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 11 16:32:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gizmo.internode.com.au (gizmo.internode.com.au [192.83.231.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D72614D17 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:32:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from newton@gizmo.internode.com.au) Received: (from newton@localhost) by gizmo.internode.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02997; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:59:58 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from newton) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:59:58 +1030 From: Mark Newton To: zoonie Cc: Bill Fumerola , Rowan Crowe , aussie-isp@aussie.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Oz-ISP] Re: TX pro II motherboard Message-ID: <20000112105958.J2420@internode.com.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://www.on.net/~newton/pgpkey.txt Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jan 11, 2000 at 08:27:40AM -0500, zoonie wrote: > they have 1U servers with intel ethernet onboard. i have some that have > the intel chipset. when you go to their website look for the models with > "M" or "N" in the part number....they are really nice machines...you also > need to be careful that you order the one with the door on the front if > you want the door. they have some without the door too.... Agreed on all points; Just a testimonial from a satisfied, but unrelated, customer of Telenet; we've bought three of their servers and been instrumental in our customers buying another four or five, without a single glitch. And yes, they have on-board fxp if you actually order it. The bottom-dollar version has an rl, though, which IMHO makes it suitable for an NT server and just about nothing else (if you're on an NT server the performance degradation from your rl card will be the least of your problems). They also all have a PCI/ISA slot, so you can put a RAID card, additional SCSI host adaptor, or a second ethernet into them. They make neat and tidy little firewalls with a second fxp... - mark > On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Rowan Crowe wrote: > > > > > I have some vague plans to build a low profile server, using a > > > (reasonably) standard motherboard which includes everything needed on it. > > > Along with a low profile power supply I hope to fit this into a 1 or 2RU > > > rack mount case. > > > > I bought a telenet (www.tesys.com, I think) 1U machine. They were at > > FreeBSDcon and I got to check one of them out there. Cool stuff, haven't > > had any problems. > > However the guy at the booth said the onboard ethernet was Intel > > EtherExpress (which was funny, because David Greenman was sitting right > > across from them and they had no idea who he was.) and when it came up > > it was a: > > > > rl0: irq 11 at device 9.0 on pci0. > > > > This is bad, if you read if_rl.c, you'll see why. -- Mark Newton Email: newton@internode.com.au (W) Network Engineer Email: newton@atdot.dotat.org (H) Internode Systems Pty Ltd Desk: +61-8-82232999 "Network Man" - Anagram of "Mark Newton" Mobile: +61-416-202-223 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 11 16:58:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from inago.swcp.com (inago.swcp.com [198.59.115.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD55D150AC for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:58:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from deichert@wrench.com) Received: from localhost (deichert@localhost) by inago.swcp.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA00384 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 17:58:09 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: inago.swcp.com: deichert owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 17:58:09 -0700 (MST) From: Diana Eichert X-Sender: deichert@inago.swcp.com To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Oz-ISP] Re: TX pro II motherboard In-Reply-To: <20000112105958.J2420@internode.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just another vote on a satisfied Telenet customer. All my Novell servers at my previous employ were running on their hardware. I was talking to them today in fact about the Infortrend SCSI-SCSI RAID solution today also in regards to a previous thread re: Infortrend. diana On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Mark Newton wrote: > Agreed on all points; Just a testimonial from a satisfied, but unrelated, > customer of Telenet; we've bought three of their servers and been > instrumental in our customers buying another four or five, without a > single glitch. > > tidy little firewalls with a second fxp... > > - mark Diana Eichert VP Technical Services Nothing in Particular at the Moment, Inc. deichert@wrench.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 11 20:44:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167B114F74 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:44:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 128Fcj-0002Zi-00; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:43:09 -0800 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:43:06 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Roger Marquis Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Infortrend RAID / Extending FBSD filesystem? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Roger Marquis wrote: > > > Much as I like FreeBSD, Sun is the way to go for large disk farms. > > > > Perhaps for the server itself, but Sun storage arrays seem very > > overpriced (ie A5000 series). > > Overpriced compared to what, EMC, NetApp, Auspex? Where else can you > get a quad FC-AL attached array the size of a PC with 22 10Krpm dual > ported drives? I installed one of these on an E4500 a few months ago > with Oracle, Veritas' FastIO, near-line backups, hot-swap and redundant > everything. The 200MB/s throughput is also hard to beat. Well, you are comparing apples and orages here. A A5000 is an FC-AL array. NetApp and Auspex sell file server appliances, that happen to include arrays, that may or may not use FC-AL. DEC makes numerous different kinds of FC-AL arrays for instance. DPT (not made by DPT) has a nice little low profile FC-AL shelf. The DPT one is interesting, because it is same backend FC-AL shelf that NetApp uses with many of their filers. > I don't know of a better Unix solution at any price for 2+TB per > cabinet that can be separated from it's servers and mirrors by several > kilometers of fiber. Yes, but all FC-AL arrays can do that. > Not cheap to be sure but cheaper than trying to manage a bunch of > stand-alone/NFS fileservers. > -- > Roger Marquis > Roble Systems Consulting > http://www.roble.com/ Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 11 20:50:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E00E154D4 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:50:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 128Fij-0002Zy-00; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:49:21 -0800 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:49:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Shino Cc: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: FW: routed netbeui tcpdump In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have several router boxes running freebsd RouteD. I thought routed only > passed tcp packets but I am seeing netbeui and ipx packets as well... stuff > I > would only expect to see in a bridge situation. Any thoughts on why routed > might be passing netbeui packets? > > Secondarily would tcpdump catch netbeui packets or just tcp packets? > > Thanks! > > Shino First of all, routed does not route packets. Read the manpage on what it is for. You probably you don't even need it. tcpdump just shows what is on the wire, not what may be routed. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 12 6:41:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from donna.risc.lv (donna.risc.lv [159.148.12.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50E214F19 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 06:41:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vic@rezekne.lv) Received: from rezekne.lv (vic.risc.lv [159.148.12.22]) by donna.risc.lv (8.9.3/X.Y.Z) with ESMTP id QAA01245 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:40:40 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from vic@rezekne.lv) Message-ID: <387C9293.AFB6019D@rezekne.lv> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:41:23 +0200 From: Victor Meirans Organization: Rezekne Internet Service Center (http://www.risc.lv) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN,zh-TW,zh,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD ISP mailing list Subject: Upgrading FreeBSD 3.2 -> 3.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am going to upgrade my 3.2 box to 3.4 pretty soon. Anyone who did this? How it went? Are there ahy things I should consider before doing it? Thanks in advance... -- ---> ViC <--- --==> Rezekne Internet Service Center http://www.risc.lv "PCT Latgale" Ltd. Phone: +371-4622972 Baznicas 17, Rezekne, Fax: +371-4622972 LV-4601, Latvia GSM: +371-9577569 -==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 12 6:48:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from redbox.venux.net (redbox.venux.net [216.47.238.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0994314F19 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 06:48:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mitch@venux.net) Received: from inky (inky.venux.net [216.47.238.64]) by redbox.venux.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B61B02E20B; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:41:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003701bf5d0c$97ef5b20$40ee2fd8@venux.net> From: "Mitch Vincent" To: "Victor Meirans" , "FreeBSD ISP mailing list" References: <387C9293.AFB6019D@rezekne.lv> Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 3.2 -> 3.4 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:52:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-4" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The install disks for FreeBSD, if you got them early have some serious problems. First I downloaded the ISO (since the walnut creek CDs hadn't arrived yet) and couldn't even use it, it bombed several places on the install.. Then the walnut creek CDs came and I had the very same problem. If you booted from the CD, it was a FreeBSD 3.2 kernel for some reason in addition to most of the distributions and packages failing to install. There is mention of some problems and a possible fix in the Errata for the 3.4 release (just a new boot image) but I have a feeling most pre-packaged CDs are going to have the same problems I have had -- I tried the fix with my CD and still had the package and distro errors though. Here another question for you.. Is anyone using 4.0 on any production machines? Would anyone know of a place where I can look over what's new/added/removed in 4.0? Thanks fellas :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Victor Meirans To: FreeBSD ISP mailing list Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 9:41 AM Subject: Upgrading FreeBSD 3.2 -> 3.4 > Hello, > > I am going to upgrade my 3.2 box to 3.4 pretty soon. > Anyone who did this? How it went? Are there ahy things I should consider > before doing it? > > Thanks in advance... > -- > ---> ViC <--- > > --==> Rezekne Internet Service Center http://www.risc.lv > "PCT Latgale" Ltd. Phone: +371-4622972 > Baznicas 17, Rezekne, Fax: +371-4622972 > LV-4601, Latvia GSM: +371-9577569 > -==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 12 7:18:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wnonline.net (mail.wnonline.net [216.4.88.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A1814F98 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 07:18:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jk@wnonline.net) Received: from noc.wnonline.net (jk@noc.wnonline.net [216.4.88.2]) by mail.wnonline.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA61557; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:17:56 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jk@wnonline.net) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:17:53 -0600 (CST) From: joe X-Sender: jk@localhost To: Mitch Vincent Cc: Victor Meirans , FreeBSD ISP mailing list Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 3.2 -> 3.4 In-Reply-To: <003701bf5d0c$97ef5b20$40ee2fd8@venux.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Mitch Vincent wrote: > Here another question for you.. Is anyone using 4.0 on any production > machines? Would anyone know of a place where I can look over what's > new/added/removed in 4.0? > > Thanks fellas :-) > > i use 4.0 on a pseudo-production machine and it is doing great, no problems with any packages or other installations...the install was fairly seemly, and i like the FFS option :> only problem on the box so far is the fact that quake2-lithium keeps coreing, but it cored on 3.x also :/ http://www.freebsd.org/releases/snapshots.html has several links to info on snapshots, releases, etc... enjoy :> -jk p.s. if anyone has quake2-lithium running stable on a fbsd box, lemme know what you did because i'm honestly not interesting in bringing up a linux box just for the gamers at the office :> _________________________________________ joe kamm network administrator worldnet communications inc. what's your .net worth? _________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 12 7:28:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from c006.sfo.cp.net (c006-h008.c006.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ABC9A15496 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 07:28:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ignacioc@avantel.net) Received: (cpmta 14506 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2000 07:28:39 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO www) (200.39.241.253) by smtp.avantel.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2000 07:28:39 -0800 X-Sent: 12 Jan 2000 15:28:39 GMT Message-ID: <004301bf5d11$76d2d8e0$0c2d1cc0@redando.com> From: "Ignacio Cristerna" To: "joe" Cc: Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 3.2 -> 3.4 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:26:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am very interested in this upgrade stuff as I am won´t be getting CD until version 4.0 comes out. Now, it it only me or the upgrade procedures are, er, sparingly documented? I am trying to upgrade form 3.1 to 3.3 and can´t seem to find the way to do it. Any help, links or leads would be greatly appreciated. Greeting from a lonely BSD guy in Monterrey. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 12 7:39:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mel.alcatel.fr (mel.alcatel.fr [212.208.74.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A12514C1D for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 07:39:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Thierry.Herbelot@alcatel.fr) Received: from aifhs10.alcatel.fr (mailhub2.alcatel.fr [155.132.188.80]) by mel.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/SMTP) with ESMTP id QAA14788; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:32:17 +0100 From: Thierry.Herbelot@alcatel.fr Received: from frmta003.netfr.alcatel.fr (frmta003.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.251.32]) by aifhs10.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/SMTP2) with SMTP id QAA06289; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:34:54 +0100 (MET) Received: by frmta003.netfr.alcatel.fr(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id C1256864.0055E5CC ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:38:13 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ALCATEL To: "Ignacio Cristerna" Cc: "joe" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:35:48 +0100 Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 3.2 -> 3.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=UBX4ZAhHthjPj2Coi8r9xDEIfbvUnGAphxkfzm6ZG8DjtvUBCKm3AY5F" Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --0__=UBX4ZAhHthjPj2Coi8r9xDEIfbvUnGAphxkfzm6ZG8DjtvUBCKm3AY5F Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hello, I have recently installed 4.0 on one of my machines (at home). I have downloaded a "snapshot" from ftp://current.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots and that was it ! TfH (note, however, that it wasn't an upgrade : it was a full install on a virgin hard disk) "Ignacio Cristerna" on 12/01/2000 16:26:55 To: "joe" cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG(bcc: Thierry HERBELOT/FR/ALCATEL) Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 3.2 -> 3.4 --0__=UBX4ZAhHthjPj2Coi8r9xDEIfbvUnGAphxkfzm6ZG8DjtvUBCKm3AY5F Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I am very interested in this upgrade stuff as I am won=B4t be getti= ng CD until version 4.0 comes out. Now, it it only me or the upgrade procedur= es are, er, sparingly documented? I am trying to upgrade form 3.1 to 3.3 a= nd can=B4t seem to find the way to do it. Any help, links or leads would b= e greatly appreciated. Greeting from a lonely BSD guy in Monterrey. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message = --0__=UBX4ZAhHthjPj2Coi8r9xDEIfbvUnGAphxkfzm6ZG8DjtvUBCKm3AY5F-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 12 8:24:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tetron02.tetronsoftware.com (ftp.tetronsoftware.com [208.236.46.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948AF14BB7 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 08:24:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zeus@tetronsoftware.com) Received: from tetron02.tetronsoftware.com (tetron02.tetronsoftware.com [208.236.46.106]) by tetron02.tetronsoftware.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18767; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:28:06 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from zeus@tetronsoftware.com) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:28:06 -0600 (CST) From: Gene Harris To: Victor Meirans Cc: FreeBSD ISP mailing list Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 3.2 -> 3.4 In-Reply-To: <387C9293.AFB6019D@rezekne.lv> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Victor Meirans wrote: > Hello, > > I am going to upgrade my 3.2 box to 3.4 pretty soon. > Anyone who did this? How it went? Are there ahy things I should consider > before doing it? > > Thanks in advance... > -- > ---> ViC <--- > > --==> Rezekne Internet Service Center http://www.risc.lv > "PCT Latgale" Ltd. Phone: +371-4622972 > Baznicas 17, Rezekne, Fax: +371-4622972 > LV-4601, Latvia GSM: +371-9577569 > -==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==- > I did a simple upgrade using source code only. I grabbed one of the late December source code images from releng3.freebsd.org. I compiled a new kernel first, then did a make buildworld && make installworld. Then I merged any changes in /etc/default/rc.conf with the version in the source image. I also search for any new files to for inclusion in etc. I held my breath and rebooted. Took about 2 hours, never missed a beat. My ppp came up no problem, postgre and apache all startup up with no problem. I have heard of a lot of problems when trying to upgrade from binaries. Gene Harris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 12 10:18: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cronus.medianetwork.se (cronus.medianetwork.se [193.14.204.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521C015532 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:17:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dl@tyfon.net) Received: from junglenote.com (digital11.medianetwork.se [193.14.204.229]) by cronus.medianetwork.se (8.9.3/8.7) with ESMTP id TAA04982 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:17:46 +0100 Received: from enigmatic by junglenote.com with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.84.R) for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:29:53 +0100 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:29:52 +0100 Message-ID: <01BF5D33.65AC01F0.dl@tyfon.net> From: Dan Larsson To: "[FreeBSD-ISP-List] (E-post)" , "[FreeBSD-Questions-List] (E-post)" Subject: Litterature on ATM Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:29:50 +0100 Organization: Tyfon Internet Services [ http://tyfon.net ] X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet-e-post/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Return-Path: dl@tyfon.net Reply-To: dl@tyfon.net Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What books should I read to learn ATM? Are there any at all? Regards ------------ Dan Larsson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 12 11:19:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from apache.vineyard.net (PRIMARY.VINEYARD.NET [199.232.92.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E555115525 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:19:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ericx@apache.vineyard.net) Received: (from ericx@localhost) by apache.vineyard.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id OAA16229; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:19:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001121919.OAA16229@apache.vineyard.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: paul@premier-networks.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Wireless T1 In-Reply-To: <3879328D.9FB86A2F@premier-networks.com> References: <3879328D.9FB86A2F@premier-networks.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under Emacs 19.34.1 Reply-To: "Eric W. Bates" From: "Eric W. Bates" X-Work: Vineyard.NET, Inc., Box 4249, Vineyard Haven, MA 02568-4249 X-Phone: 508/696-6688 X-Fax: 508/696-8989 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:19:08 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We have been using C-Spec's equipment successfully for a few years. || . We've been runnning 2Mbps at about $2500/location install (includes parts & labor for antenna mount on roof). Excellent tech support. We've been using 915MHz because it has better foliage penetration and will refract a bit around objects. But Lucent has discontinued manufacture of the chipset. We are now deploying 2.4 GHz. 2.4 is better in urban environs because there is less consumer equipment using that band. Also penetrates walls better, but not so good with trees (water molecules have some sort of resonance near 2.4 so the water in the leaves absorbs the signal). We've also been using the cards with hardware DES. Adds an extra $100, but it essentially prevents our having to worry about theft of service (the units will not report the encryption key) and it gives us bragging rights to the customers (they like encryption even when they understand when we tell them it isn't a VPN). Security on the units is very good. SNMP support is very good. We monitor a number of facets with mrtg. There are a few elements missing. You can filter by ethernet packet type, and you can filter by MAC address, but you cannot filter by tcp/udp port. e.g. the dreaded MS browsing packets. The devices can be configured as routers (instead of bridges), but the Overlan's do not support DHCP relay. Upshot is that our wireless customers can browse one another's MS shares unless they install separate equipment at their location to filter netbios. Tower space is a problem. What cost $300/month 2 years ago now costs $2000/month because of the cell phone companies pushing to deploy their digital services (shorter ranges). Since these unlicensed bands are limited to 1 Watt, you have to have LOS. Spun off from the company is Pinnacle Communications . Same basic hardware. Same basic software (the software author founded the new company). Cheaper prices, snazzier case. Haven't actually tried it yet. They sell an 11Mbps 2.4GHz system (same Lucent chipset as in the Apple Airport and iBooks). We have also tried using BreezeComm equipment but had a number of bad experiences and returned the equipment. > From: paul@premier-networks.com > Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 20:14:53 -0500 > > Does anyone know of a cost effective way to provide between 128K and T1 > speeds over wireless equipment? I need something slick but not > expensive... > > Thanks, > > Paul > -- Eric W. Bates To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 12 11:44:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from donna.risc.lv (donna.risc.lv [159.148.12.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7079914EFF for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:44:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vic@rezekne.lv) Received: from rezekne.lv (vic.risc.lv [159.148.12.22]) by donna.risc.lv (8.9.3/X.Y.Z) with ESMTP id VAA01992; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:43:26 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from vic@rezekne.lv) Message-ID: <387CD98E.930BEAE0@rezekne.lv> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:44:14 +0200 From: Victor Meirans Organization: Rezekne Internet Service Center (http://www.risc.lv) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN,zh-TW,zh,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ignacio Cristerna Cc: joe , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 3.2 -> 3.4 References: <004301bf5d11$76d2d8e0$0c2d1cc0@redando.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. I upgraded from 3.0 to 3.2 in the end of July 1999. I did standard upgade from binaries (from CD) and the only trouble I had after reboot was to boot the new kernel. I wrote to this list, and received a solution. Here's the message that saved my life... :) ---- >Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:58:25 +0200 >From: "phill@cobia.gulf.net" >To: vic@cs.ru.lv >Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: URGENT. Upgrade failed. > >Login with the old kernel, then type "disklabel -B " > >-- >Phillip Salzman > > >On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Victor Meirans wrote: > >> Hello, >> Things have gone crazy here, and I need your advice ASAP. >> >> I did the upgrade 3.0-RELEASE to 3.2-RELEASE procedure from >> /stand/sysinstall. It went OK, bu after reboot the new kernel failed to >> load, saying "incorrect format" I can boot up with old one, but nothing >> works normally then. Have I done smth wrong? I tried to compile new >> kerrnel, but got the same error message at boot. >> >> Please reply directly to vic@ru.lv, this address is not on the list. >> >> Thank you. >> >> ---> Vic <--- I hope this will help. Ignacio Cristerna wrote: > > Hi, I am very interested in this upgrade stuff as I am won´t be getting CD > until version 4.0 comes out. Now, it it only me or the upgrade procedures > are, er, sparingly documented? I am trying to upgrade form 3.1 to 3.3 and > can´t seem to find the way to do it. Any help, links or leads would be > greatly appreciated. > Greeting from a lonely BSD guy in Monterrey. -- ---> ViC <--- --==> Rezekne Internet Service Center http://www.risc.lv "PCT Latgale" Ltd. Phone: +371-4622972 Baznicas 17, Rezekne, Fax: +371-4622972 LV-4601, Latvia GSM: +371-9577569 -==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 12 11:56:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from donna.risc.lv (donna.risc.lv [159.148.12.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB5A14FE4 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:56:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vic@rezekne.lv) Received: from rezekne.lv (vic.risc.lv [159.148.12.22]) by donna.risc.lv (8.9.3/X.Y.Z) with ESMTP id VAA02021; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:56:29 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from vic@rezekne.lv) Message-ID: <387CDC9D.6CE5B589@rezekne.lv> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:57:17 +0200 From: Victor Meirans Organization: Rezekne Internet Service Center (http://www.risc.lv) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN,zh-TW,zh,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gene Harris Cc: FreeBSD ISP mailing list Subject: Re: Upgrading FreeBSD 3.2 -> 3.4 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello again... Well... Never did upgrade from source. I was planning to do the binary upgrade from downoaded CD image. As I understood you do not recommend this. Can you tell something more adout those binary upgrade problems you've heard about?? Thanks again.. :) In advance. :) Gene Harris wrote: > > I did a simple upgrade using source code only. I grabbed > one of the late December source code images from > releng3.freebsd.org. I compiled a new kernel first, then > did a make buildworld && make installworld. Then I merged > any changes in /etc/default/rc.conf with the version in the > source image. I also search for any new files to for > inclusion in etc. I held my breath and rebooted. > > Took about 2 hours, never missed a beat. My ppp came up no > problem, postgre and apache all startup up with no problem. > > I have heard of a lot of problems when trying to upgrade > from binaries. > > Gene Harris -- ---> ViC <--- --==> Rezekne Internet Service Center http://www.risc.lv "PCT Latgale" Ltd. Phone: +371-4622972 Baznicas 17, Rezekne, Fax: +371-4622972 LV-4601, Latvia GSM: +371-9577569 -==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 12 12:51:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E778815057 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:51:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjvc@extremis.demon.co.uk) Received: from extremis.demon.co.uk ([194.222.242.30]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 128UjO-000KtS-0V for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:51:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 596 invoked by uid 1010); 12 Jan 2000 20:44:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:44:28 +0000 From: George Cox To: Dan Larsson Cc: "[FreeBSD-ISP-List] (E-post)" , "[FreeBSD-Questions-List] (E-post)" Subject: Re: Litterature on ATM Message-ID: <20000112204428.E300@extremis.demon.co.uk> References: <01BF5D33.65AC01F0.dl@tyfon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.1i In-Reply-To: <01BF5D33.65AC01F0.dl@tyfon.net>; from dl@tyfon.net on Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 07:29:50PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT (i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 12/01 19:29, Dan Larsson wrote: > What books should I read to learn ATM? Are there any at all? There is a title called "ATM" in the "Data Communications and Networks Series" published by Addison-Wesley which I found useful. gjvc -- [gjvc] 4.4BSD 4.ever! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 12 13:46:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.volant.org (phoenix.volant.org [205.179.79.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4618150C6 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:46:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patl@phoenix.volant.org) Received: from asimov.phoenix.volant.org ([205.179.79.65]) by phoenix.volant.org with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #8) for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org id 128Vb9-0002Ge-00; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:46:35 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by asimov.phoenix.volant.org (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA06968 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:46:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:46:33 -0800 (PST) From: patl@phoenix.volant.org Reply-To: patl@phoenix.volant.org Subject: Maintaining recriprocal DNS secondaries To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I run a very small Internet Presence Provider that has an agreement with another ISP to provide secondary DNS for each other's domains (including customers' domains). We're both small enough that we've just been handling additions and removals via e-mail and hand-editing. But I've been wondering if there are any tools (or bind configuration tricks) that would make it easier for a DNS server to keep its list of secondaries in sync with a 'foreign' server's primaries list? Ideally, it would handle the possibility of more than a simple 1:1 relationship. (I.e. ISP A provides secondaries for B and C, B provides secondaries for A and D, C provides secondaries only for A, etc.) Thanks, -Pat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 12 14:19:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from proteus.eclipse.net.uk (proteus.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6152814D62 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:19:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sh@eclipse.net.uk) Received: from eclipse.net.uk (elara.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.31]) by proteus.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A509BB6; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:19:04 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <387CFDEF.7EE0A2FC@eclipse.net.uk> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:19:27 +0000 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: Eclipse Networking Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: patl@phoenix.volant.org Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Maintaining recriprocal DNS secondaries References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > But I've been wondering if there are any tools (or bind configuration > tricks) that would make it easier for a DNS server to keep its list > of secondaries in sync with a 'foreign' server's primaries list? > > Ideally, it would handle the possibility of more than a simple > 1:1 relationship. (I.e. ISP A provides secondaries for B and C, > B provides secondaries for A and D, C provides secondaries only > for A, etc.) Here is one way you could handle this. Split the BIND config files up so that your local settings are in named.conf, your domains are in another file, your partner ISPs domains are in another. Have lines like these at the bottom of named.conf include "yourdomain/yourdomainconfig" include "theirdomain/theirdomainconfig" Then each run rsync servers, and update from each other's exported "yourdomain" directory when it suits you. Rsync uses an intelligent algorithm which checks which files have changed and sends as few bytes over the wire as it can, so the updates are small and fast. /usr/ports/net/rsync is both the server and the client depending on the command line options you use. hth, Stuart To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 12 21:28:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sentry.granch.ru (sentry.granch.ru [212.20.5.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3118915012; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:28:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shelton@sentry.granch.ru) Received: (from shelton@localhost) by sentry.granch.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA78144; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:28:10 +0600 (NOVT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:28:09 +0600 (NOVT) Organization: Granch Ltd. From: "Rashid N. Achilov" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-network@freebsd.org Subject: SMC 1211TX 10/100 Mb Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does FreeBSD have driver for SMC 1211TX 10/100 Mb Ethernet card? I can't found any mention about it in LINT... --- With Best Regards. Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Cert. ID: 28514, Granch Ltd. lead engineer e-mail: achilov@granch.ru, tel (383-2) 24-2363 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 12 23:26:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from greencreek.kappaisle.com (24.65.68.249.on.wave.home.com [24.65.68.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0940150CC; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:26:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mikey@kappaisle.com) Received: from localhost (mikey@localhost) by greencreek.kappaisle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA32335; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 02:25:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mikey@kappaisle.com) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 02:25:13 -0500 (EST) From: Mike To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Cisco Ethernet WAN module? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everyone! I've been searching and browsing the Cisco web site for a router that has either a built-in ethernet WAN connection or optional ethernet WAN module, unfortunately only the high-end routers have that kind of feature. However, the 2514, 2611 and 3620 series routers support dual-LAN routing, which in theory is equivalent to LAN/WAN routing. I'm not sure if using dual-LAN routing would work for routing our LAN through ethernet connection. If any of you have experience with this type of configuration, please verify my assumption and/or correct me if I'm wrong. By the way, I also came across the Netopia R9100 Ethernet Router, does anyone has opinion on the performance of this router? Looking forward in hearing your replies. Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 12 23:38:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (PacHell.TelcoSucks.org [207.90.181.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2059015566; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:38:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id XAA88406; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:38:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:38:27 -0800 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: Mike Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cisco Ethernet WAN module? Message-ID: <20000112233826.A81523@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org> Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from mikey@kappaisle.com on Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 02:25:13AM -0500 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 02:25:13AM -0500, Mike wrote: > Hi everyone! > > I've been searching and browsing the Cisco web site for a router that has > either a built-in ethernet WAN connection or optional ethernet WAN module, > unfortunately only the high-end routers have that kind of feature. Ethernet is LAN, not WAN. So what are you exactly looking for ? A router which has 2 ethernet or 2 fastethernet plus WAN ports for like a T1 ? > > However, the 2514, 2611 and 3620 series routers support dual-LAN routing, > which in theory is equivalent to LAN/WAN routing. I'm not sure if using > dual-LAN routing would work for routing our LAN through ethernet > connection. If any of you have experience with this type of > configuration, please verify my assumption and/or correct me if I'm wrong. > > By the way, I also came across the Netopia R9100 Ethernet Router, does > anyone has opinion on the performance of this router? > > Looking forward in hearing your replies. > > Mike > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 12 23:48:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from greencreek.kappaisle.com (24.65.68.249.on.wave.home.com [24.65.68.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1FE14F0C; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:48:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mikey@kappaisle.com) Received: from localhost (mikey@localhost) by greencreek.kappaisle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA32365; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 02:47:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mikey@kappaisle.com) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 02:47:00 -0500 (EST) From: Mike To: Ulf Zimmermann Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cisco Ethernet WAN module? In-Reply-To: <20000112233826.A81523@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Ulf, Actually something very similar to the Netopia R9100 Ethernet router, which features the ethernet port to connect to the DSL modem for WAN link. Cisco does have DSL routers available but the maximum upstream bandwidth is not in megabit range. We have T1 links in our office, and this will just be a link between our branch offices since it's an extremely cost-effective solution with DSL. Mike On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Ulf Zimmermann wrote: > Ethernet is LAN, not WAN. So what are you exactly looking for ? A router > which has 2 ethernet or 2 fastethernet plus WAN ports for like a T1 ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 12 23:48:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from avon.desilva.co.uk (avon.desilva.co.uk [212.19.64.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8905150CC; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:48:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david@desilva.co.uk) Received: from davidds (gate.netcomconsult.co.uk [212.19.64.126] (may be forged)) by avon.desilva.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA01797; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:48:39 GMT (envelope-from david@desilva.co.uk) Received: from 212.19.76.26 by barney.netcomconsult.co.uk Wed, 12 Jan 2000 07:51:39 -0000 Message-ID: <001f01bf5d9a$932426f0$1a4c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk> From: "David De Silva" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: Cisco Ethernet WAN module? Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:48:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike, > I've been searching and browsing the Cisco web site for a router that = has > either a built-in ethernet WAN connection or optional ethernet WAN = module, > unfortunately only the high-end routers have that kind of feature. "Ethernet WAN" is a contradiction in terms, but I understand what you = mean. We use dual-Ethernet routers all the time on our wireless service = - one interface connects to the radio ethernet bridges, the other to the = customer's LAN. I believe cable modem boxes also have ethernet = interfaces but I can't verify that until service gets down my road in = June... :-( The only criteria for your application is that the router supports all = of the usual routing protocols on the ethernet interface. I'm not aware = of any that don't.=20 Regards, David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 13 0:18:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from greencreek.kappaisle.com (24.65.68.249.on.wave.home.com [24.65.68.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A45214D3D; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 00:18:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mikey@kappaisle.com) Received: from localhost (mikey@localhost) by greencreek.kappaisle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA32399; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 03:17:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mikey@kappaisle.com) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 03:17:40 -0500 (EST) From: Mike To: David De Silva Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cisco Ethernet WAN module? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi David, Thank you for your reply. Yup, "Ethernet WAN" is rather a contradiction in terms...my brain is probably having a glitch after the y2k... The scenario is that the ethernet port will be connected to a DSL modem and routing between the LAN and WAN (in this case, the DSL modem on the ethernet port) will be setup. Just out of curiousity, what router are you running? the dual-LAN model? Regards, Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 13 1:10:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from houseofcats.org (adsl-216-102-197-87.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.102.197.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0FAF1513F; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 01:10:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from amcconnell@acm.org) Received: from adsl-216-102-197-87.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net. (adsl-216-102-197-87.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net. [216.102.197.87]) by houseofcats.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA34088; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 01:09:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from amcconnell@acm.org) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 01:09:37 -0800 (PST) From: Andy McConnell X-Sender: andym@neroon.houseofcats.org To: Mike Cc: Ulf Zimmermann , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cisco Ethernet WAN module? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike - If you are going for cost effective, and you're asking on the FreeBSD lists, your better bet is to go with a recylced Pentium with 2 ethernet cards, and run FreeBSD and Gated. Not only do you get the low cost for hardware, you get a free router, web site, DNS secondary, mail server, and anything else you want to customize. Not to mention a free firewall and natd (if you're into that sort of thing. :-) If this is a link between two offices, then you don't have to worry about the tech support for end users. So, if someone has some basic working knowledge of FreeBSD, your solution is the cost of two old machines. And chances are, someone in your company needs an upgrade - oh, what to do with that old PII-366 in the corner? :-) -Andy -- Andy McConnell amcconnell@acm.org "First, it was not a strip bar, it was an erotic club. And second, what can I say? I'm a night owl." - M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Mike wrote: Mike> Hi Ulf, Mike> Mike> Actually something very similar to the Netopia R9100 Ethernet router, Mike> which features the ethernet port to connect to the DSL modem for WAN Mike> link. Cisco does have DSL routers available but the maximum upstream Mike> bandwidth is not in megabit range. We have T1 links in our office, Mike> and this will just be a link between our branch offices since it's an Mike> extremely cost-effective solution with DSL. Mike> Mike> Mike Mike> Mike> On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Ulf Zimmermann wrote: Mike> Mike> > Ethernet is LAN, not WAN. So what are you exactly looking for ? A router Mike> > which has 2 ethernet or 2 fastethernet plus WAN ports for like a T1 ? Mike> Mike> Mike> Mike> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org Mike> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message Mike> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 13 2:13:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from webhotel.combo.dk (webhotel.combo.dk [212.10.14.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B620214A0A for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 02:13:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kak@bitnisse.dk) Received: (qmail 5728 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2000 10:14:46 -0000 Received: from ip215.naenxr2.ras.tele.dk (HELO kkprivatw2000) (195.249.33.215) by webhotel.combo.dk with SMTP; 13 Jan 2000 10:14:46 -0000 Message-ID: <003801bf5dae$de1ae360$0a69a8c0@kkprivatw2000> From: "Kenneth Karlsson" To: "Mike" , References: Subject: Re: Cisco Ethernet WAN module? Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:13:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You can get dual ethernet on the cisco 1605 router as well .... Kind regards Kenneth Karlsson * CDS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 8:25 AM Subject: Cisco Ethernet WAN module? > Hi everyone! > > I've been searching and browsing the Cisco web site for a router that has > either a built-in ethernet WAN connection or optional ethernet WAN module, > unfortunately only the high-end routers have that kind of feature. > > However, the 2514, 2611 and 3620 series routers support dual-LAN routing, > which in theory is equivalent to LAN/WAN routing. I'm not sure if using > dual-LAN routing would work for routing our LAN through ethernet > connection. If any of you have experience with this type of > configuration, please verify my assumption and/or correct me if I'm wrong. > > By the way, I also came across the Netopia R9100 Ethernet Router, does > anyone has opinion on the performance of this router? > > Looking forward in hearing your replies. > > Mike > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 13 6:30:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from eh.est.is (eh.est.is [194.144.208.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE950155AD for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 06:30:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from totii@est.is) Received: from toti.est.is (toti-mx.est.is [194.144.208.17]) by eh.est.is (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26404; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:30:28 GMT (envelope-from totii@est.is) Received: from est.is (asus.est.is [194.144.208.242]) by toti.est.is (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09657; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:30:24 GMT (envelope-from totii@est.is) Message-ID: <387DDD27.C345C439@est.is> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:11:51 +0000 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=DE=F3r=F0ur=20=CDvarsson?= Reply-To: thivars@est.is X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: paul@premier-networks.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wireless T1 References: <3879328D.9FB86A2F@premier-networks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have equipment here that is nice inexpensive 2MB ethernet to wireless hub, can be used to communicate to same box to bridge networks, and also to connect individual computers to network, I am collecting information on drivers for the cards but the hubs work fine. Thordur Ivarsson. paul@premier-networks.com wrote: > > Does anyone know of a cost effective way to provide between 128K and T1 > speeds over wireless equipment? I need something slick but not > expensive... > > Thanks, > > Paul > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 13 7: 1:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.tcworks.net (ns.tcworks.net [216.61.218.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9142156ED; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:01:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Received: from tcworks.net (xcess@stuck.sticky.org [216.61.218.6]) by ns.tcworks.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA32269; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 08:59:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Message-ID: <387DE7F4.3B2E884B@tcworks.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 08:57:56 -0600 From: Chris Cook X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cisco Ethernet WAN module? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike wrote: > > Hi everyone! > > I've been searching and browsing the Cisco web site for a router that has > either a built-in ethernet WAN connection or optional ethernet WAN module, > unfortunately only the high-end routers have that kind of feature. > > However, the 2514, 2611 and 3620 series routers support dual-LAN routing, > which in theory is equivalent to LAN/WAN routing. I'm not sure if using > dual-LAN routing would work for routing our LAN through ethernet > connection. Eh? "I'm not sure if using dual-LAN routing would work for routing our LAN through ethernet" Well, if I'm understanding what you are trying to say a Cisco 2621 will work for you. It has two Fast Ethernet ports and WIC (WAN Interface Card) ports. -- Chris o----< ccook@tcworks.net >----------------------------------------o |Chris Cook - Technician | TCWORKS.NET - http://www.tcworks.net | |The Computer Works | FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org | o-----------------------------------------------------------------o To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 13 9: 3:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from greencreek.kappaisle.com (24.65.68.249.on.wave.home.com [24.65.68.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1580154E1; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:03:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mikey@kappaisle.com) Received: from localhost (mikey@localhost) by greencreek.kappaisle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA33101; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:01:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mikey@kappaisle.com) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:01:56 -0500 (EST) From: Mike To: Andy McConnell Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cisco Ethernet WAN module? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everyone, Thank you for all your resourceful and prompt replies. Actually we run FreeBSD servers to serve web, DNS, mail and files (with Samba), and they were servers I setup back then. I'm very grateful to have deployed FreeBSD to perform all those tasks because we never had any problem with them. On the networking side, we have been using Cisco products for a very long time. The performance and reliability are just outstanding, so we tend to stay with Cisco equipments for our network infrastructure. I've found a solution, and thank you all for your generous help! Sincerely, Mike ========================================== On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Andy McConnell wrote: > Mike - > > If you are going for cost effective, and you're asking on the FreeBSD > lists, your better bet is to go with a recylced Pentium with 2 ethernet > cards, and run FreeBSD and Gated. Not only do you get the low cost for > hardware, you get a free router, web site, DNS secondary, mail server, and > anything else you want to customize. Not to mention a free firewall and > natd (if you're into that sort of thing. :-) > > If this is a link between two offices, then you don't have to worry about > the tech support for end users. So, if someone has some basic working > knowledge of FreeBSD, your solution is the cost of two old machines. And > chances are, someone in your company needs an upgrade - oh, what to do > with that old PII-366 in the corner? :-) > > -Andy > > -- > Andy McConnell amcconnell@acm.org > > "First, it was not a strip bar, it was an erotic club. And second, what > can I say? I'm a night owl." > - M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 14 2:18:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from righi.dhs.org (RIGHI.DF.UNIBO.IT [137.204.49.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B7CD15020; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 02:18:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsd@righi.dhs.org) Received: from localhost (bsd@localhost) by righi.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07359; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:18:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bsd@righi.dhs.org) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:18:58 +0100 (CET) From: FreeBSD mailing list To: Mike Cc: Andy McConnell , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cisco Ethernet WAN module? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org yes of course I Started it. I Can't understand why it does not work. Rick On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Mike wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Thank you for all your resourceful and prompt replies. > > Actually we run FreeBSD servers to serve web, DNS, mail and files (with > Samba), and they were servers I setup back then. I'm very grateful to > have deployed FreeBSD to perform all those tasks because we never had any > problem with them. > > On the networking side, we have been using Cisco products for a very long > time. The performance and reliability are just outstanding, so we tend > to stay with Cisco equipments for our network infrastructure. > > I've found a solution, and thank you all for your generous help! > > Sincerely, > > Mike > > ========================================== > On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Andy McConnell wrote: > > > Mike - > > > > If you are going for cost effective, and you're asking on the FreeBSD > > lists, your better bet is to go with a recylced Pentium with 2 ethernet > > cards, and run FreeBSD and Gated. Not only do you get the low cost for > > hardware, you get a free router, web site, DNS secondary, mail server, and > > anything else you want to customize. Not to mention a free firewall and > > natd (if you're into that sort of thing. :-) > > > > If this is a link between two offices, then you don't have to worry about > > the tech support for end users. So, if someone has some basic working > > knowledge of FreeBSD, your solution is the cost of two old machines. And > > chances are, someone in your company needs an upgrade - oh, what to do > > with that old PII-366 in the corner? :-) > > > > -Andy > > > > -- > > Andy McConnell amcconnell@acm.org > > > > "First, it was not a strip bar, it was an erotic club. And second, what > > can I say? I'm a night owl." > > - M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 14 4:19:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.areti.net (meteora.areti.com [193.118.189.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E9314DA5 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 04:19:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ndear@areti.net) Received: from acropolis (acropolis.noc.areti.net [193.118.189.102]) by post.mail.areti.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Areti-2.0.0) with ESMTP id MAA29003 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:19:27 GMT Message-Id: <200001141219.MAA29003@post.mail.areti.net> From: "Nicholas J. Dear" Organization: Areti Internet Ltd. To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:19:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Bandwidth limiting on Switch. Reply-To: ndear@areti.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, We're about to start doing some co-location, and we will need to restrict the bandwidth to each machine. I'm assuming we need some sort of switch with bandwidth throttling capabilities? We'd need to throttle from 32K, or 64K upwards, in 64K increments. Could anyone recommend a particular product, or how they do the job? TIA. N. -- Nicholas J. Dear Mail: ndear@areti.net Tel: +44 (0)20-8402-4041 Areti Internet Ltd., http://www.areti.co.uk/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 14 5:43:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from intranova.net (blacklisted.intranova.net [209.3.31.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D19F155DE for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 05:43:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oogali@intranova.net) Received: (qmail 52818 invoked by uid 1001); 14 Jan 2000 08:45:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:45:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Intranova Networking Group To: "Nicholas J. Dear" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bandwidth limiting on Switch. In-Reply-To: <200001141219.MAA29003@post.mail.areti.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Either you can use a hardware solution (Ethernet switch) or you can use a software solution, which includes the dummynet bandwidth limiting/throttling feature in the FreeBSD kernel. Look at the 'ipfw' man page for more information on configuration issues and such... Omachonu Ogali Intranova Networking Group On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Nicholas J. Dear wrote: > Hi, > > We're about to start doing some co-location, and we will need to restrict the > bandwidth to each machine. I'm assuming we need some sort of switch with > bandwidth throttling capabilities? > > We'd need to throttle from 32K, or 64K upwards, in 64K increments. > > Could anyone recommend a particular product, or how they do the job? > TIA. > N. > -- > Nicholas J. Dear > Mail: ndear@areti.net Tel: +44 (0)20-8402-4041 > Areti Internet Ltd., http://www.areti.co.uk/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 14 5:47: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.areti.net (meteora.areti.com [193.118.189.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 451A315052 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 05:47:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ndear@areti.net) Received: from acropolis (acropolis.noc.areti.net [193.118.189.102]) by post.mail.areti.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Areti-2.0.0) with ESMTP id NAA03501; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:47:03 GMT Message-Id: <200001141347.NAA03501@post.mail.areti.net> From: "Nicholas J. Dear" Organization: Areti Internet Ltd. To: Intranova Networking Group Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:46:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Bandwidth limiting on Switch. Reply-To: ndear@areti.net Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200001141219.MAA29003@post.mail.areti.net> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 14 Jan 00, at 8:45, Intranova Networking Group wrote: > Either you can use a hardware solution (Ethernet switch) or you can use a > software solution, which includes the dummynet bandwidth > limiting/throttling feature in the FreeBSD kernel. Look at the 'ipfw' man > page for more information on configuration issues and such... Definitely hardware solution. Do you recommend a particular product? Preferably Cisco or 3com? N. -- Nicholas J. Dear Mail: ndear@areti.net Tel: +44 (0)20-8402-4041 Areti Internet Ltd., http://www.areti.co.uk/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 14 5:49: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mel.alcatel.fr (mel.alcatel.fr [212.208.74.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF9C14ED3 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 05:48:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Thierry.Herbelot@alcatel.fr) Received: from aifhs10.alcatel.fr (mailhub2.alcatel.fr [155.132.188.80]) by mel.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/SMTP) with ESMTP id OAA13721; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:41:30 +0100 From: Thierry.Herbelot@alcatel.fr Received: from frmta003.netfr.alcatel.fr (frmta003.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.251.32]) by aifhs10.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/SMTP2) with SMTP id OAA08403; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:44:19 +0100 (MET) Received: by frmta003.netfr.alcatel.fr(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id C1256866.004BDDE5 ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:48:40 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ALCATEL To: ndear@areti.net Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:48:30 +0100 Subject: Re: Bandwidth limiting on Switch. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, with bandwidth in the order of n*64kbps, you may want to investigate dummynet, which is a function of the TCP/IP stack of FreeBSD, which does exactly what you want to do (and which is free). beware : you will have to compile a new kernel for FreeBSD, so if this seems too adventurous for you, take some competent guy to do it for you (anyway, you will find a good handbook on www.freebsd.org) TfH "Nicholas J. Dear" on 14/01/2000 13:19:13 Please respond to ndear@areti.net To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG cc: (bcc: Thierry HERBELOT/FR/ALCATEL) Subject: Bandwidth limiting on Switch. Hi, We're about to start doing some co-location, and we will need to restrict the bandwidth to each machine. I'm assuming we need some sort of switch with bandwidth throttling capabilities? We'd need to throttle from 32K, or 64K upwards, in 64K increments. Could anyone recommend a particular product, or how they do the job? TIA. N. -- Nicholas J. Dear Mail: ndear@areti.net Tel: +44 (0)20-8402-4041 Areti Internet Ltd., http://www.areti.co.uk/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 14 8:12:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx.calweb.com (mx.calweb.com [209.210.251.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1E414BEA for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:12:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdugaue@calweb.com) Received: from staff.calweb.com (rdugaue@staff.calweb.com [209.210.251.15]) by mx.calweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA99561; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:12:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:12:26 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Du Gaue To: "Nicholas J. Dear" Cc: Intranova Networking Group , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bandwidth limiting on Switch. In-Reply-To: <200001141347.NAA03501@post.mail.areti.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Definitely hardware solution. Do you recommend a particular product? > Preferably Cisco or 3com? If you're looking for a dropin 'appliance' type solution check out www.packeteer.com and their packetshaper products. We've been using thier Packetshaper 4000 for quite sometime and never had a problem with it. Be prepared for a little sticker shock though! > > N. > -- > Nicholas J. Dear > Mail: ndear@areti.net Tel: +44 (0)20-8402-4041 > Areti Internet Ltd., http://www.areti.co.uk/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Du Gaue - rdugaue@calweb.com http://www.calweb.com CalWeb Internet Services Inc. (916) 641-9320 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 14 8:21: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgp.silliman.net (mgp.silliman.net [207.207.193.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EEC15211 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:20:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gws@silliman.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mgp.silliman.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA64799; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:24:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gws@silliman.net) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:24:57 -0500 (EST) From: Guy Silliman X-Sender: gws@localhost To: "Nicholas J. Dear" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bandwidth limiting on Switch. In-Reply-To: <200001141219.MAA29003@post.mail.areti.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have used Structured Internetworking's IPath. It is a nice devide for handling exactly what you are looking to do... I was using it in an identical situation. Works great and the price tag is less than the packeteer I think.... Guy On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Nicholas J. Dear wrote: > Hi, > > We're about to start doing some co-location, and we will need to restrict the > bandwidth to each machine. I'm assuming we need some sort of switch with > bandwidth throttling capabilities? > > We'd need to throttle from 32K, or 64K upwards, in 64K increments. > > Could anyone recommend a particular product, or how they do the job? > TIA. > N. > -- > Nicholas J. Dear > Mail: ndear@areti.net Tel: +44 (0)20-8402-4041 > Areti Internet Ltd., http://www.areti.co.uk/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 14 10:22:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from iohost.com (io001.iohost.com [209.189.124.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DF915D2B for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:12:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntserver (w146.z206111055.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [206.111.55.146]) by iohost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA32643; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:12:34 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000114101229.041ef580@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:12:29 -0800 To: Steve Kaczkowski From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus Cc: dannyman , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3878E285.97452085@inc.net> References: <20000105165135.A29204@stumpy.dannyland.org> <3.0.5.32.20000108191602.03a36270@ccsales.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, And the serial is telnet only and no programmatic interface to get an automated reading, back to the drawing board? Thank you, Randy Katz At 01:33 PM 1/9/00 -0600, Steve Kaczkowski wrote: >"Randy A. Katz" wrote: >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> Can you get a reading of the drive statuses from FreeBSD? >> > >No since the OS really doesn't know about the controller.. The only way >to get status >of the disks is via serial.. > > > >-- >Steve Kaczkowski Time Warner Telecom IDD >steve@inc.net (414)908-9012 >http://www.inc.net (603)737-9209 Fax > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 14 10:34:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from stumpy.dannyland.org (stumpy.dannyland.org [209.157.133.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8877A15933 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:28:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyman@stumpy.dannyland.org) Received: by stumpy.dannyland.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9FA283D9C; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:28:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:28:47 -0800 From: dannyman To: "Randy A. Katz" Cc: Steve Kaczkowski , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus Message-ID: <20000114102847.A16985@stumpy.dannyland.org> References: <20000105165135.A29204@stumpy.dannyland.org> <3.0.5.32.20000108191602.03a36270@ccsales.com> <3878E285.97452085@inc.net> <3.0.5.32.20000114101229.041ef580@ccsales.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000114101229.041ef580@ccsales.com>; from Randy A. Katz on Fri, Jan 14, 2000 at 10:12:29AM -0800 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 14, 2000 at 10:12:29AM -0800, Randy A. Katz wrote: > Hi, > > And the serial is telnet only and no programmatic interface to get an > automated reading, back to the drawing board? I need to learn TCL to expect to our PBX and cyradm to our mail server anyway. :/ I remember reading about Infortrend software that is Java-based that can check either via serial or SCSI and then set up SNMP traps and the like ... -d -- come.to/dannyman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 14 10:48:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from staff.msen.com (staff.msen.com [148.59.47.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D139415A2A for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:43:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mgoward@mail.msen.com) Received: from staff.msen.com (mgoward@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by staff.msen.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14495; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:42:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001141842.NAA14495@staff.msen.com> To: "Randy A. Katz" Cc: dannyman , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:12:29 PST." <3.0.5.32.20000114101229.041ef580@ccsales.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:42:44 -0500 From: Matthew Goward Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unless you want to play with the perl module Net::Telent to write a script which and use the serial connection to hop on and grab the report? matt goward > Hi, > > And the serial is telnet only and no programmatic interface to get an > automated reading, back to the drawing board? > > Thank you, > Randy Katz > > At 01:33 PM 1/9/00 -0600, Steve Kaczkowski wrote: > >"Randy A. Katz" wrote: > >> > >> Hi Steve, > >> > >> Can you get a reading of the drive statuses from FreeBSD? > >> > > > >No since the OS really doesn't know about the controller.. The only way > >to get status > >of the disks is via serial.. > > > > > > > >-- > >Steve Kaczkowski Time Warner Telecom IDD > >steve@inc.net (414)908-9012 > >http://www.inc.net (603)737-9209 Fax > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 14 12:49:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF2415761 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:49:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA11208; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:54:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001142054.PAA11208@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:51:23 -0500 To: Robert Du Gaue , "Nicholas J. Dear" From: Dennis Subject: Re: Bandwidth limiting on Switch. Cc: Intranova Networking Group , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <200001141347.NAA03501@post.mail.areti.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:12 AM 1/14/00 -0800, Robert Du Gaue wrote: >> >> Definitely hardware solution. Do you recommend a particular product? >> Preferably Cisco or 3com? > >If you're looking for a dropin 'appliance' type solution check out >www.packeteer.com and their packetshaper products. We've been using thier >Packetshaper 4000 for quite sometime and never had a problem with it. >Be prepared for a little sticker shock though! We've beaten out packeteer many times with our ~2400. solution which runs either freebsd or LINUX. Our soon to be released next verison includes per-rule burst settings, integrated policy routing and an embedded snmp client for gathering and charting data with a nice gui interface. Our boxes run as bridges, so you get the functionality of a switch as well with some multiport cards. We also have it running on a cobalt raq so if you like a completely web managable box (albeit running linux) we have that also...for a few extra bucks but still a lot cheaper than the packetshaper. You can also roll your own for $595. for just the software. www.etinc.com Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 14 14: 0:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C52D15013 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:00:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tim@futuresouth.com) Received: (from tim@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24169; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:00:11 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:00:11 -0600 From: Tim Tsai To: "Randy A. Katz" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus Message-ID: <20000114160011.A23855@futuresouth.com> References: <20000105165135.A29204@stumpy.dannyland.org> <3.0.5.32.20000108191602.03a36270@ccsales.com> <3878E285.97452085@inc.net> <3.0.5.32.20000114101229.041ef580@ccsales.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000114101229.041ef580@ccsales.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > And the serial is telnet only and no programmatic interface to get an > automated reading, back to the drawing board? Woa, if we're still talking about Infortrend the serial port supports PPP. Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 14 15:15:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from iohost.com (io001.iohost.com [209.189.124.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96ED14E47 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:15:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntserver (w146.z206111055.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [206.111.55.146]) by iohost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA04509; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:15:22 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000114151518.05874480@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:15:18 -0800 To: Tim Tsai From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000114160011.A23855@futuresouth.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20000114101229.041ef580@ccsales.com> <20000105165135.A29204@stumpy.dannyland.org> <3.0.5.32.20000108191602.03a36270@ccsales.com> <3878E285.97452085@inc.net> <3.0.5.32.20000114101229.041ef580@ccsales.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Infortrend told me you cannot get any diag through the PPP, is their tech misinformed, are you doing it? At 04:00 PM 1/14/00 -0600, Tim Tsai wrote: >> And the serial is telnet only and no programmatic interface to get an >> automated reading, back to the drawing board? > > Woa, if we're still talking about Infortrend the serial port supports >PPP. > > Tim > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 14 15:18:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BD214CFC for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:18:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tim@futuresouth.com) Received: (from tim@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01248; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:18:18 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:18:18 -0600 From: Tim To: "Randy A. Katz" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus Message-ID: <20000114171818.D686@futuresouth.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20000114101229.041ef580@ccsales.com> <20000105165135.A29204@stumpy.dannyland.org> <3.0.5.32.20000108191602.03a36270@ccsales.com> <3878E285.97452085@inc.net> <3.0.5.32.20000114101229.041ef580@ccsales.com> <20000114160011.A23855@futuresouth.com> <3.0.5.32.20000114151518.05874480@ccsales.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000114151518.05874480@ccsales.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Infortrend told me you cannot get any diag through the PPP, is their tech > misinformed, are you doing it? We're not using the PPP interface so I could be wrong. I just naturally assume that the whole purpose of having a PPP interface is to have a way to get diag. information. You could be right because I don't remember any SNMP settings. Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 14 15:24:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from iohost.com (io001.iohost.com [209.189.124.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F4CC14D30 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:24:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntserver (w146.z206111055.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [206.111.55.146]) by iohost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA04643; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:24:53 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000114152448.0a88d760@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:24:48 -0800 To: Tim From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000114171818.D686@futuresouth.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20000114151518.05874480@ccsales.com> <3.0.5.32.20000114101229.041ef580@ccsales.com> <20000105165135.A29204@stumpy.dannyland.org> <3.0.5.32.20000108191602.03a36270@ccsales.com> <3878E285.97452085@inc.net> <3.0.5.32.20000114101229.041ef580@ccsales.com> <20000114160011.A23855@futuresouth.com> <3.0.5.32.20000114151518.05874480@ccsales.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was afraid you would say something like that, back to the drawing board. I can't roll out 100+ servers with RAID arrays on them and not be able to automate the monitoring of those machines. At 05:18 PM 1/14/00 -0600, Tim wrote: >> Infortrend told me you cannot get any diag through the PPP, is their tech >> misinformed, are you doing it? > > We're not using the PPP interface so I could be wrong. I just naturally >assume that the whole purpose of having a PPP interface is to have a way >to get diag. information. > > You could be right because I don't remember any SNMP settings. > > Tim > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 14 15:36:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303CA15318 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:36:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tim@futuresouth.com) Received: (from tim@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02989; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:36:45 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:36:45 -0600 From: Tim Tsai To: "Randy A. Katz" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reccomend RAID for FreeBSD + Cyrus Message-ID: <20000114173645.A2198@futuresouth.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20000114151518.05874480@ccsales.com> <3.0.5.32.20000114101229.041ef580@ccsales.com> <20000105165135.A29204@stumpy.dannyland.org> <3.0.5.32.20000108191602.03a36270@ccsales.com> <3878E285.97452085@inc.net> <3.0.5.32.20000114101229.041ef580@ccsales.com> <20000114160011.A23855@futuresouth.com> <3.0.5.32.20000114151518.05874480@ccsales.com> <20000114171818.D686@futuresouth.com> <3.0.5.32.20000114152448.0a88d760@ccsales.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000114152448.0a88d760@ccsales.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I was afraid you would say something like that, back to the drawing board. > I can't roll out 100+ servers with RAID arrays on them and not be able to > automate the monitoring of those machines. You can still automate with a script hack but there has been concerns about the stability of the Infortrend controllers under high load so I would certainly investgate further with 100+ servers. Note that this is with the older series I haven't heard anything about the new powerPC based controllers. There was a recent thread on the cyrus list about using it under NFS with NetApp's but I do not remember the conclusions drawn from that. That might be a possibility for you. I don't believe there currently is a "recommended" SCSI<->SCSI RAID controller for FreeBSD. It used to be the Mylex 960SUI but I think David Greenmen had some issues with that. The CMD was another one that has fallen in/out of favor several times. At this point in the FreeBSD evolution, I would consider the Mylex/AMI PCI controllers if they're an option. Mike Smith works for FreeBSD and wrote the drivers so I feel a lot better about the stability and support. I believe they're both supported under 4.0 and 3.x-stable however you can not boot from a RAID volume under 3.x yet. Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message