From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 23 3: 5:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from colossus.invictanet.co.uk (colossus.invictanet.co.uk [62.232.18.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E50514C1D for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 03:05:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from martynr@invictanet.co.uk) Received: from harry (host212-140-119-180.host.btclick.com [212.140.119.180]) by colossus.invictanet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24241 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:05:59 GMT Reply-To: From: "Martyn Routley" To: "Freebsd-ISP" Subject: RE: Frontpage Extensions (again?) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:05:44 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Everything came down at the same time so all versions should be up to date. The machine is an eldery 486 running 3.2 - It is a machine that I keep at home to experiment with in my "spare!!" time - if something works then I transfer it to one of my real machines. As to which src directory caused the problem, I am not getting that as part of the output. Martyn ----------------------------------------------------- InvictaNet - The Internet in Plain English, Guaranteed http://www.invictanet.co.uk mailto:info@invictanet.co.uk phone: 0870 7402252 fax: +44 (0)1233 334001 ------------------------------------------------------ > -----Original Message----- > From: Troy Settle [mailto:troy@picus.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 2:47 PM > To: martynr@invictanet.co.uk > Cc: Freebsd-ISP > Subject: RE: Frontpage Extensions (again?) > > > > Martyn, > > You didn't paste the output that describes _which_ src/ directory it was in. > This is a problem. > > I sucessfully built and installed this port, and it worked fine. This was > on 3.4-STABLE. The only thing I could suggest, is that you make sure your > ports-base is up to date. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 24 6:54:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ms1.meiway.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F46214BFE for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 06:54:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lconrad@Go2France.com) Received: from sv [212.73.210.75] by ms1.meiway.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A7DA63703AC; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:55:22 +0100 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000124155256.00b196a0@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: lconrad%Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:53:56 +0100 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: 2 BIND slaves can't sync to master Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've got 4 DNS machines, 1 master BIND 8.1.2, and 3 slaves: NT BIND 8.2.2p5, plus 2 FreeBSD BIND 8.1.2. The slaves run identical named.conf. The NT BIND pulls across the zone updates just fine. The two FreeBSD machines try to get the zones, but after temp db.DOMAIN zone files are opened in their /etc directories, they never complete the transfer of a single zone, putting the error "Err/TO getting serial# for domain.com". but runnig named-xfer on each FreeBSD slave succeeds. Any ideas? Thanks, Len To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 24 8:28:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from proteus.eclipse.net.uk (proteus.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF8415151 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:28:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sh@eclipse.net.uk) Received: from eclipse.net.uk (elara.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.31]) by proteus.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F5A9B54; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:28:33 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <388C7DCB.E52002A@eclipse.net.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:28:59 +0000 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: Eclipse Networking Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alex@aspenworks.com Cc: bsdnews , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frontpage Extensions References: <388735A7.3922CA76@siteplus.com> <002f01bf6371$1877c560$cc1232cc@trigger.net> <388A3897.694BFA4@aspenworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Is it possible to implement 'webbot self' crud that we deal with in > Frontpage extensions in PHP? Well, someone has started work on a Perl version of the same, it's *possible*. It's just that a little more reverse-engineering than most people would deem desirable is necessary... http://www.nimh.org/fpse.shtml hasn't changed much in the last few months, but it's the best resource I've seen on the net for this. > We find more and more novice Web designers demanding Frontpage > extensions. The Apache/Frontpage/PHP/IMP/Imap/GD build is probably > never going to work easily.. or be easy to maintain with Frontpage > extensions. So, run multiple apache binaries... your non-Frontpage customers would probably rather not to have anything involved with FP in the binary (or preferably server) that's serving their site anyway :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 24 8:48:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from heaven.gigo.com (heaven.gigo.com [209.0.55.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B44915851 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:48:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfesler@gigo.com) Received: from heaven.gigo.com (heaven.gigo.com [209.0.55.69]) by heaven.gigo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283DB57F1; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:48:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:48:10 -0800 (PST) From: To: Stuart Henderson Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frontpage Extensions In-Reply-To: <388C7DCB.E52002A@eclipse.net.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > So, run multiple apache binaries... your non-Frontpage customers > would probably rather not to have anything involved with FP in the > binary (or preferably server) that's serving their site anyway :-) This I'll second. If you want to even run it on the same server, look at ProxyPass in apache - you can actually proxy entire virtual sites to another server [which can be on a different port number]. I've done this trick more than once to avoid building the UberApacheFromHell. I keep my SSL seperate from my FP, since FP always plays *so* nicely with other moduels , and it requires fewer full builds and headaches whenever one module or the other needs updating. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 24 12: 9: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from almazs.pacex.net (almazs.pacex.net [204.1.219.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE0714D89 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:08:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danielb@pacex.net) Received: from localhost (danielb@localhost) by almazs.pacex.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21312 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:08:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:08:45 -0800 (PST) From: daniel B To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Network renumbering (Yack!) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Folks; I dreaded this moment would come but I am in a position that I need to change upstream and all DNS info is going to change, customer workstations may have to be reconfigured ... Since I haven't done this before what is the least painful way to handle this task? is there a documented procedure/how-to somewhere? Realy don't want to start guessing. Thanks Dan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 24 12:28:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from Astrovan.cstone.net (mailstop.cstone.net [205.197.102.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F90F15A67 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:28:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from highway@cstone.net) Received: from cstone.net (snowcrash.cstone.net [209.145.66.12]) by Astrovan.cstone.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59789U13500L1350S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:24:12 -0500 Message-ID: <388CB649.820E6B7D@cstone.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:30:01 -0500 From: Sean Michael Whipkey Organization: Cornerstone Networks, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network renumbering (Yack!) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org daniel B wrote: > I dreaded this moment would come but I am in a position that I need to > change upstream and all DNS info is going to change, customer workstations > may have to be reconfigured ... > Since I haven't done this before what is the least painful way to handle > this task? is there a documented procedure/how-to somewhere? > Realy don't want to start guessing. We're in the middle of that right now, and all I can really think of to say is..."Sorry." :-( It's rough. We started by giving our servers multiple IP addresses, one old and one new. We then moved our customers over slowly - first all of the static IP addresses, and then each phone number depending on how it was tied to a router. We hired an outside consultant to do some of our network customers, which was a mistake. You just have to be patient...:) SeanMike -- SeanMike Whipkey - highway@cstone.net - http://www.cstone.net Engineering Department, Cornerstone Networks, Inc. - 804.817.7000 "This is a world where a geomantically-trained ninja interior decorator can wreak havoc." - Feng Shui [paraphrased] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 24 12:41:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from benge.graphics.cornell.edu (benge.graphics.cornell.edu [128.84.247.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A4315AB0 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:41:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mkc@benge.graphics.cornell.edu) Received: from benge.graphics.cornell.edu (mkc@localhost) by benge.graphics.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA43470; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:41:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mkc@benge.graphics.cornell.edu) Message-Id: <200001242041.PAA43470@benge.graphics.cornell.edu> To: Sean Michael Whipkey Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network renumbering (Yack!) In-Reply-To: Message from Sean Michael Whipkey of "Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:30:01 EST." <388CB649.820E6B7D@cstone.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:41:11 -0500 From: Mitch Collinsworth Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >daniel B wrote: >> I dreaded this moment would come but I am in a position that I need to >> change upstream and all DNS info is going to change, customer workstations >> may have to be reconfigured ... >> Since I haven't done this before what is the least painful way to handle >> this task? is there a documented procedure/how-to somewhere? >> Realy don't want to start guessing. > >We're in the middle of that right now, and all I can really think of to >say is..."Sorry." :-( > >It's rough. We started by giving our servers multiple IP addresses, one >old and one new. We then moved our customers over slowly - first all of >the static IP addresses, and then each phone number depending on how it >was tied to a router. We hired an outside consultant to do some of our >network customers, which was a mistake. > >You just have to be patient...:) I nominate this line for understatement of the month! :-) Another thing to consider it taking this as an opportunity to start using DHCP for all non-server systems. You might even want to use it on some of your servers, though I haven't felt that brave yet. This seems like a good idea even if you're not using dynamic addresses since it puts all the network configuration info in one place where it's easy to change when you need to. -Mitch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 24 14:25:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from guardian.fortress.org (guardian-ext.fortress.org [199.202.137.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962181518F for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 14:25:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@guardian.fortress.org) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA50012; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:13:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from andrew@guardian.fortress.org) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:13:56 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: Mitch Collinsworth Cc: Sean Michael Whipkey , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network renumbering (Yack!) In-Reply-To: <200001242041.PAA43470@benge.graphics.cornell.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org YUCK, been there, done that. It was a "medium to low" priority project that laster over 12 months. In reflection, it was a mistake, and should have been done at a very high level as quickly as possible. One think that you need to be aware of (yes I know this is completely irrelevant to the ISP mailing list), is that if you have any NT boxes running WINS, you will have BIG problems with multiple IPs on these machines. You'll need to identify these systems and cut them over immediately and/or setup replicas of these systems on old/new networks to ease the transition. On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Mitch Collinsworth wrote: > > >daniel B wrote: > >> I dreaded this moment would come but I am in a position that I need to > >> change upstream and all DNS info is going to change, customer workstations > >> may have to be reconfigured ... > >> Since I haven't done this before what is the least painful way to handle > >> this task? is there a documented procedure/how-to somewhere? > >> Realy don't want to start guessing. > > > >We're in the middle of that right now, and all I can really think of to > >say is..."Sorry." :-( > > > >It's rough. We started by giving our servers multiple IP addresses, one > >old and one new. We then moved our customers over slowly - first all of > >the static IP addresses, and then each phone number depending on how it > >was tied to a router. We hired an outside consultant to do some of our > >network customers, which was a mistake. > > > >You just have to be patient...:) > > I nominate this line for understatement of the month! :-) > > Another thing to consider it taking this as an opportunity to start > using DHCP for all non-server systems. You might even want to use > it on some of your servers, though I haven't felt that brave yet. > This seems like a good idea even if you're not using dynamic addresses > since it puts all the network configuration info in one place where > it's easy to change when you need to. > > -Mitch > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > --- Andrew Webster FULL SERVICE ISP President http://www.pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. Access: PPP - SHELL - UUCP - VPN - ... P.O. Box 147 Hosting: WWW - Email - DB - Your Servers - ... C.S.L. QC H4V 2Y3 tel: 514-990-5911 fax: 514-990-9443 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 24 16:22:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mars.aspenworks.net (aspenworks.com [192.94.236.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A6315984 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:22:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@aspenworks.com) Received: from aspenworks.com (qlv101.sopris.net [208.44.82.101] (may be forged)) by mars.aspenworks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA41468; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:52:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from alex@aspenworks.com) Message-ID: <388CD799.7B968CB5@aspenworks.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:52:09 -0700 From: Alex Huppenthal Reply-To: alex@aspenworks.com Organization: Aspenworks X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andrew@pubnix.net Cc: Mitch Collinsworth , Sean Michael Whipkey , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network renumbering (Yack!) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I totally agree. It was decided that we'd take our time with the cutover, low priority.. It was a mess, dual controllers, dual network switches, constant interdependancy interaction between the network numbers.. The right way to do it is to renumber the network, route the two sets of numbers, cutover everything and everyone. All within a few weeks time. Much much more cost effective and better overall. It's been going on for over 6 months.. I'm hoping this last push will have it completed in a few weeks. -Alex Andrew Webster wrote: > > YUCK, been there, done that. It was a "medium to low" priority project > that laster over 12 months. In reflection, it was a mistake, and should > have been done at a very high level as quickly as possible. > > One think that you need to be aware of (yes I know this is completely > irrelevant to the ISP mailing list), is that if you have any NT boxes > running WINS, you will have BIG problems with multiple IPs on these > machines. > You'll need to identify these systems and cut them over immediately and/or > setup replicas of these systems on old/new networks to ease the > transition. > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Mitch Collinsworth wrote: > > > > > >daniel B wrote: > > >> I dreaded this moment would come but I am in a position that I need to > > >> change upstream and all DNS info is going to change, customer workstations > > >> may have to be reconfigured ... > > >> Since I haven't done this before what is the least painful way to handle > > >> this task? is there a documented procedure/how-to somewhere? > > >> Realy don't want to start guessing. > > > > > >We're in the middle of that right now, and all I can really think of to > > >say is..."Sorry." :-( > > > > > >It's rough. We started by giving our servers multiple IP addresses, one > > >old and one new. We then moved our customers over slowly - first all of > > >the static IP addresses, and then each phone number depending on how it > > >was tied to a router. We hired an outside consultant to do some of our > > >network customers, which was a mistake. > > > > > >You just have to be patient...:) > > > > I nominate this line for understatement of the month! :-) > > > > Another thing to consider it taking this as an opportunity to start > > using DHCP for all non-server systems. You might even want to use > > it on some of your servers, though I haven't felt that brave yet. > > This seems like a good idea even if you're not using dynamic addresses > > since it puts all the network configuration info in one place where > > it's easy to change when you need to. > > > > -Mitch > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > --- > Andrew Webster FULL SERVICE ISP > President http://www.pubnix.net > PubNIX Inc. Access: PPP - SHELL - UUCP - VPN - ... > P.O. Box 147 Hosting: WWW - Email - DB - Your Servers - ... > C.S.L. QC H4V 2Y3 tel: 514-990-5911 fax: 514-990-9443 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Alex Huppenthal \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ alex@aspenworks.com \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 24 16:57: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sstar.com (sstar.com [209.102.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBE21590D for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:56:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from king@sstar.com) Received: from MAROON ([134.132.228.5]) by sstar.com with ESMTP (IPAD 2.52) id 7953600; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:55:56 -0600 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000124184757.00a3b1c0@mail.sstar.com> X-Sender: king@mail.sstar.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:55:55 -0600 To: alex@aspenworks.com, andrew@pubnix.net From: Jim King Subject: Re: Network renumbering (Yack!) Cc: Mitch Collinsworth , Sean Michael Whipkey , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <388CD799.7B968CB5@aspenworks.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've done this twice, once at an office (25 users, about 75 hosts), once at a small ISP (mostly dialup customers; about half a dozen with dedicated lines and fixed IP addresses). In the office situation the original network config was a private net, so there was no issue with switching over web servers, mail servers, etc. About half of the hosts were using DHCP, so when the time came to switch we changed the DHCP server and told them to reboot. For the other hosts we ran around for the next hour or so changing configurations. The whole thing only took a couple hours. In the ISP situation we did a lot of planning up front - figuring out what software on what servers would need to be reconfigured, etc. We came up with a checklist and a schedule. About a week ahead of time we brought up a DNS server on the new network, but left everything else on the old network. A day ahead of time we shortened TTL's on the DNS zones. At switchover time we reconfigured the servers and where needed talked customers through their changes. Even though this was a more complicated switchover the pre-planning made everything go pretty smoothly - it still only took a couple hours, and customer downtime/inconvenience was pretty minimal. At 03:52 PM 1/24/2000 -0700, Alex Huppenthal wrote: >I totally agree. It was decided that we'd take our time with the >cutover, low priority.. > >It was a mess, dual controllers, dual network switches, constant >interdependancy interaction between the network numbers.. > >The right way to do it is to renumber the network, route the two sets of >numbers, cutover everything and everyone. All within a few weeks time. >Much much more cost effective and better overall. > >It's been going on for over 6 months.. I'm hoping this last push will >have it completed in a few weeks. > > > > -Alex > > > > >Andrew Webster wrote: > > > > YUCK, been there, done that. It was a "medium to low" priority project > > that laster over 12 months. In reflection, it was a mistake, and should > > have been done at a very high level as quickly as possible. > > > > One think that you need to be aware of (yes I know this is completely > > irrelevant to the ISP mailing list), is that if you have any NT boxes > > running WINS, you will have BIG problems with multiple IPs on these > > machines. > > You'll need to identify these systems and cut them over immediately and/or > > setup replicas of these systems on old/new networks to ease the > > transition. > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Mitch Collinsworth wrote: > > > > > > > > >daniel B wrote: > > > >> I dreaded this moment would come but I am in a position that I need to > > > >> change upstream and all DNS info is going to change, customer > workstations > > > >> may have to be reconfigured ... > > > >> Since I haven't done this before what is the least painful way to > handle > > > >> this task? is there a documented procedure/how-to somewhere? > > > >> Realy don't want to start guessing. > > > > > > > >We're in the middle of that right now, and all I can really think of to > > > >say is..."Sorry." :-( > > > > > > > >It's rough. We started by giving our servers multiple IP addresses, one > > > >old and one new. We then moved our customers over slowly - first all of > > > >the static IP addresses, and then each phone number depending on how it > > > >was tied to a router. We hired an outside consultant to do some of our > > > >network customers, which was a mistake. > > > > > > > >You just have to be patient...:) > > > > > > I nominate this line for understatement of the month! :-) > > > > > > Another thing to consider it taking this as an opportunity to start > > > using DHCP for all non-server systems. You might even want to use > > > it on some of your servers, though I haven't felt that brave yet. > > > This seems like a good idea even if you're not using dynamic addresses > > > since it puts all the network configuration info in one place where > > > it's easy to change when you need to. > > > > > > -Mitch > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > --- > > Andrew Webster FULL SERVICE ISP > > President http://www.pubnix.net > > PubNIX Inc. Access: PPP - SHELL - UUCP - VPN - ... > > P.O. Box 147 Hosting: WWW - Email - DB - Your Servers - ... > > C.S.L. QC H4V 2Y3 tel: 514-990-5911 fax: 514-990-9443 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > >-- >\\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Alex Huppenthal >\\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ >alex@aspenworks.com >\\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 24 18: 5:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB71150C6 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:05:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from desc@mindspring.com) Received: from winnie (user-2ivek3j.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.80.115]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA16668 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:05:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <009b01bf66d7$0dbf35e0$7350f7a5@winnie> From: "Ryan Matteson" To: Subject: Designing a Mail system Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:54:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone have any advice or docs on designing a reliable, scaleable, fault tolerant mail system for 30k+ users?? I am presently working on putting together such a system and the front end (POP3/IMAP) and Mail gateways don't cause me any concern, it is the storage on the back end for the actual email and users folders that I question. How are ppl doing this and what suggestions or designs have ppl used for this type of email system??? Thanks in advance for any info, Ryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 24 19: 6: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from iohost.com (io001.iohost.com [209.189.124.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200C415303 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:05:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntserver (w146.z206111055.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [206.111.55.146]) by iohost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA19769; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 14:55:05 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000124145455.05514af0@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 14:54:55 -0800 To: daniel B , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: Network renumbering (Yack!) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, If you have servers set your Time To Live low on your DNS servers a day or two BEFORE you begin to add the new ip addresses. Sometimes you can get big problems in your network by using two sets of ip addresses (routing issues), but that should not be a problem if your network is properly routed. You can monitor the old isp connection to see how much traffic has subsided and then know when to yank out the old ip addresses. At 12:08 PM 1/24/00 -0800, daniel B wrote: >Hi Folks; > >I dreaded this moment would come but I am in a position that I need to >change upstream and all DNS info is going to change, customer workstations >may have to be reconfigured ... >Since I haven't done this before what is the least painful way to handle >this task? is there a documented procedure/how-to somewhere? >Realy don't want to start guessing. > >Thanks >Dan > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 24 19:12:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fil.net (mail.fil.net [202.57.102.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E5B01507C for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:12:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aLan@fil.net) Received: from fil.net ([202.57.102.6]) by mail.fil.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62) with ESMTP id 240; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:11:32 +0800 Message-ID: <388D145D.D3499D3A@fil.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:11:25 +0800 From: "aLan Tait" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim King Cc: alex@aspenworks.com, andrew@pubnix.net, Mitch Collinsworth , Sean Michael Whipkey , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network renumbering (Yack!) References: <4.2.0.58.20000124184757.00a3b1c0@mail.sstar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I agree - take the machine down and do it fast! We built .conf files in advance of "THE DAY" We built New DNS files, and started shortening the TTL of the old. We sent emails to ALL our customers each day for two weeks before with a "please reply" (when they replied, we stoped notifying them, some never did reply). On "THE DAY" we shut of the whole system at 12:30AM (about 400 customers ISP). We turned up each machine one by one, all seven were completed by two. We had one proplem, our WinNT email server didn't work. It is picky and didn't like the bigger network... By six am we still didn't have email, so we backed up the mailboxes and reloaded WinNT, SP5 (we had SP3 before), and the Netscape Messanger Server. It was online by eight AM. Frankly I hate Windows (When? Doze?) and will soon replace this with a FreeBSD mail server as soon as I find one that has a nice "Web-Based" Interface! Good Luck! -- ----------------------------------- Filipino Network Solution - Fil.Net ----------------------------------- ********************************************************* *** I switched to FreeBSD from When?Doze because... *** *** I never knew When? - It was going to Doze! ;) *** ********************************************************* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 24 22:10:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from spooky.eis.net.au (spooky.eis.net.au [203.12.171.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7280D15382 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:10:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ernie@spooky.eis.net.au) Received: (from ernie@localhost) by spooky.eis.net.au (8.9.3/8.8.3) id QAA61480 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:10:43 +1000 (EST) From: Ernie Elu Message-Id: <200001250610.QAA61480@spooky.eis.net.au> Subject: Centralized authentication with radius To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:10:42 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am in the process of trying to move our user authentication from using the FreeBSD /etc/passwd file to radius driveing an SQL database (possibly ICRADIUS or cistron). At the moment we have in the radius users file: DEFAULT Auth-Type = System This is because other services currently authenticate from the system passwords, specifically: Apache for the public_html directory access for each user ie: http://x.y.com/~user Cucipop for reading pop mail (Can't remember why, might be quotas) proftpd for user to upload their pages to public_html directories but stay "sandboxed" so they don't peek at other directories. radiusd for terminal server authentication. My question is can either PAM, NIS, or some other technique be used to make the above daemons authenicate from a central radius server? - Ernie. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 25 3:41:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from atlas.usls.edu (atlas.usls.edu [202.47.133.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6894E15123 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 03:41:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from francis@usls.edu) Received: by atlas.usls.edu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D17ED9B16; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:41:02 +0800 (PHT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atlas.usls.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75555D14 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:41:02 +0800 (PHT) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:41:02 +0800 (PHT) From: "Francis A. Vidal" To: FreeBSD ISP Subject: weird named messages Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hello, i have 1,902 lines of this message: Jan 25 19:00:00 atlas named[122]: unapproved query from [212.205.50.129].16777 for "aol.com" what is this machine trying to do?!? -- francis vidal university of st. la salle, bacolod city, philippines . . . . . . . PGP key available via e-mail / subject: get PGP key u s l s N E T tel nos. (+63.34).433.3526 / fax (+63.34).434.0415 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 25 7:49:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from kot.ne.mediaone.net (kot.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.15.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E528314CF0 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 07:49:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Received: from rtfm.newton (mi@rtfm.newton [10.10.0.1]) by kot.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15304 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:49:05 -0500 (EST) From: Mikhail Teterin X-Relay-IP: 10.10.0.1 Received: (from mi@localhost) by rtfm.newton (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA50801 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:49:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Message-Id: <200001251549.KAA50801@rtfm.newton> Subject: using smtpfeed To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:49:05 -0500 (EST) X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7w hJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli"; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 07:55:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@guardian.fortress.org) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA79479 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:55:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from andrew@guardian.fortress.org) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:55:13 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Looking for tool to post usenet from batches Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm looking fora tool to post usenet news batches received from a UUCP client using "post", not "ihave". Thanks! Andrew Webster FULL SERVICE ISP President http://www.pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. Access: PPP - SHELL - UUCP - VPN - ... P.O. Box 147 Hosting: WWW - Email - DB - Your Servers - ... C.S.L. QC H4V 2Y3 tel: 514-990-5911 fax: 514-990-9443 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 25 8:40: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from nathanm.office.socket.net (nathanm.office.socket.net [216.106.0.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8697214FC3 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:39:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vae@nathanm.office.socket.net) Received: from localhost (vae@localhost) by nathanm.office.socket.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07115; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:36:39 -0600 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:36:38 -0600 (CST) From: Vaevictus Asmadi To: Ryan Matteson Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Designing a Mail system In-Reply-To: <009b01bf66d7$0dbf35e0$7350f7a5@winnie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been considering this, and decided that i'd use normal servers for the back end and just split up the userbase between them, using the gateways to forward users to the correct server. < $0.02 Vae On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Ryan Matteson wrote: > Does anyone have any advice or docs on designing a reliable, > scaleable, fault tolerant mail system for 30k+ users?? I am > presently working on putting together such a system and > the front end (POP3/IMAP) and Mail gateways don't > cause me any concern, it is the storage on the back end for > the actual email and users folders that I question. How are > ppl doing this and what suggestions or designs have ppl used > for this type of email system??? > > Thanks in advance for any info, > > Ryan > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 25 9:44:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from java.dpcsys.com (java.dpcsys.com [206.16.184.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52951520A for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:44:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dpcsys.com) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by java.dpcsys.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA18793; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:44:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:44:27 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow To: Ryan Matteson Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Designing a Mail system In-Reply-To: <009b01bf66d7$0dbf35e0$7350f7a5@winnie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Ryan Matteson wrote: > Does anyone have any advice or docs on designing a reliable, > scaleable, fault tolerant mail system for 30k+ users?? I am > presently working on putting together such a system and > the front end (POP3/IMAP) and Mail gateways don't > cause me any concern, it is the storage on the back end for > the actual email and users folders that I question. How are > ppl doing this and what suggestions or designs have ppl used > for this type of email system??? Take a look at http://www.jetcafe.org/~npc/doc/mail_arch.html#Architecture Dan -- Dan Busarow 949 443 4172 Dana Point Communications, Inc. dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 25 10:28:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from guardian.fortress.org (guardian-ext.fortress.org [199.202.137.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805E915337 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:24:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@guardian.fortress.org) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA83632; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:24:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from andrew@guardian.fortress.org) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:24:35 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: Stuart Henderson Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for tool to post usenet from batches In-Reply-To: <20000125164048.A97786@naiad.eclipse.net.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On Tue, Jan 25, 2000 at 10:55:13AM -0500, Andrew Webster wrote: > > I'm looking fora tool to post usenet news batches received from a UUCP > > client using "post", not "ihave". >=20 > I think "suck" has something that should let you do this. > Or the client could run Newscache (unix) which has a download > mode, I think it's written by someone in Austria (this is not > the same as NNTPCache, which although similar doesn't let you > download a batch). That would allow them to choose groups > dynamically. I've been using suck to feed the uucp client, but the rpost program doesn't understand a batch =E0 la rnews, but rather it wants a list of article numbers, similar to the way inn presents them. >=20 >=20 Andrew Webster FULL SERVICE ISP President http://www.pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. Access: PPP - SHELL - UUCP - VPN - ... P.O. Box 147 Hosting: WWW - Email - DB - Your Servers - ... C.S.L. QC H4V 2Y3 tel: 514-990-5911 fax: 514-990-9443 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 25 10:45:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.magicnet.net (bilver.magicnet.net [157.238.16.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3428415060 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:45:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA36873 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:42:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:42:02 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for tool to post usenet from batches Message-ID: <20000125134202.A36833@bilver.magicnet.net> References: <20000125164048.A97786@naiad.eclipse.net.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from andrew@guardian.fortress.org on Tue, Jan 25, 2000 at 01:24:35PM -0500 Organization: Vermillion Consulting Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jan 25, 2000 at 01:24:35PM -0500, Thus Spake Andrew Webster: > On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2000 at 10:55:13AM -0500, Andrew Webster wrote: > > > > > I'm looking fora tool to post usenet news batches received > > > from a UUCP client using "post", not "ihave". > > I think "suck" has something that should let you do this. > > Or the client could run Newscache (unix) which has a download > > mode, I think it's written by someone in Austria (this is not > > the same as NNTPCache, which although similar doesn't let you > > download a batch). That would allow them to choose groups > > dynamically. > I've been using suck to feed the uucp client, but the rpost > program doesn't understand a batch à la rnews, but rather it wants > a list of article numbers, similar to the way inn presents them. I just pointed the rpost to the same list of article numbers that sendbatch used but with another name. Since it's a small feed I've never moved out of cnews. Does this apply here. -- Bill Vermillion bv @ wjv.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 25 13:35:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from calumet.infoteam.com (calumet.infoteam.com [207.246.83.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887D2152C1 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:34:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kmartin@infoteam.com) Received: (from kmartin@localhost) by calumet.infoteam.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA11764 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:34:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kmartin) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:34:50 -0500 From: Kenn Martin To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: using smtpfeed Message-ID: <20000125163450.B11482@infoteam.com> References: <200001251549.KAA50801@rtfm.newton> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200001251549.KAA50801@rtfm.newton>; from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net on Tue, Jan 25, 2000 at 10:49:05AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jan 25, 2000 at 10:49:05AM -0500, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > I'd like to setup smtpfeed to parallelize the delivery of mail on > our > mailing lists. The system is FreeBSD-2.2.8. I already installed > the > Sendmail 8.9.3+3.2W/8.9.3 but did not add the smptf mailer yet. > Anything > I should watch our for? Hints, gotchas -- those not listed in > the > smptfeed's README, of course :) ? Thanks in advance, A suggestion; switch from sendmail to postfix. Easier to configure, more robust, secure, faster, and includes parallel delivery. hub.freebsd.org even runs it ;-) /usr/ports/mail/postfix and http://www.postfix.org/ kenn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 25 16: 0:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from noop.colo.erols.net (noop.colo.erols.net [207.96.1.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3826B152EA for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:00:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@in-addr.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=in-addr.com) by noop.colo.erols.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12DFt0-0009TV-00; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:00:38 -0500 To: Roger Marquis Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Gary Palmer Subject: Re: Infortrend RAID / Extending FBSD filesystem? In-Reply-To: Message from Roger Marquis of "Sun, 16 Jan 2000 13:31:10 PST." Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:00:38 -0500 Message-ID: <36424.948844838@in-addr.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Roger Marquis wrote in message ID : > Do they bundle a year's worth of hardware and software support, > including warranty? MetaStor includes next day replacement of faulty parts, and support contracts up to and including 2 hour onsite for extra, just like Sun. > Support has always been one of Sun's strong suites. The last time I > had a bad GBIC, one of the early Vixels, they had a hardware > engineer there within a couple of hours. That was on contract. > Warranty support would have cross-shipped a replacement part > next-day. That wasn't part of the regular cost of the unit though. 2 hour onsite is *very* expensive, and Suns normal service is sending a replacement, and I don't think its next day either. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 26 5: 7:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.areti.net (meteora.areti.com [193.118.189.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A9614FA2 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 05:07:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ndear@areti.net) Received: from acropolis (acropolis.noc.areti.net [193.118.189.102]) by post.mail.areti.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Areti-2.0.0) with ESMTP id NAA16227 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 13:07:37 GMT Message-Id: <200001261307.NAA16227@post.mail.areti.net> From: "Nicholas J. Dear" Organization: Areti Internet Ltd. To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 13:07:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Billing software for webhosting etc. Reply-To: ndear@areti.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, We're a web hosting company running BSD across the board. I've heard small comments on Billmax and RODOPI, can anyone recommend a particular product that would suit us? I've heard RODOPI is mainly aimed at the dialup ISP, which we're most definitely not. BTW, we're also based in the UK, so it's gotta work with that too. ;) TIA. N. -- Nicholas J. Dear Mail: ndear@areti.net Tel: +44 (0)20-8402-4041 Areti Internet Ltd., http://www.areti.co.uk/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 26 6:51:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from arnold.neland.dk (mail.neland.dk [194.255.12.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5A814D9F for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 06:51:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: from gina (gina.neland.dk [192.168.0.14]) by arnold.neland.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA76806; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:51:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Message-ID: <000901bf680c$dee1cee0$0e00a8c0@neland.dk> Reply-To: "Leif Neland" From: "Leif Neland" To: "Francis A. Vidal" , "FreeBSD ISP" References: Subject: Re: weird named messages Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:37:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Francis A. Vidal" To: "FreeBSD ISP" Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 12:41 PM Subject: weird named messages > hello, >=20 > i have 1,902 lines of this message: >=20 > Jan 25 19:00:00 atlas named[122]: unapproved query from > [212.205.50.129].16777 for "aol.com" >=20 > what is this machine trying to do?!? >=20 You seem to have restricted your named to which adresses it wants to = answer queries to. Then an old customer of yours are trying to use your nameserver, but = isn't allowed to. No worry. If you get messages regarding somebody trying to _update_ your dns, then = you need to start worrying... I once had this, it was because some NT was thinking it was = authoritative over a domain of ours, which it wasn't. They had just used = a domainname which were their compamy name for their internal network, = and never bothered to check if it was taken, when they got online. Leif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 26 8:33:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from atlas.usls.edu (atlas.usls.edu [202.47.133.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E9114D3C for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 08:33:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from francis@usls.edu) Received: by atlas.usls.edu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BA7149B15; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 00:32:51 +0800 (PHT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atlas.usls.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF44E5D14; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 00:32:51 +0800 (PHT) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 00:32:51 +0800 (PHT) From: "Francis A. Vidal" To: Leif Neland Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: weird named messages In-Reply-To: <000901bf680c$dee1cee0$0e00a8c0@neland.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ---- Quoting Leif Neland's message, sent 01/25/00 11:37pm ---- > > i have 1,902 lines of this message: > > > > Jan 25 19:00:00 atlas named[122]: unapproved query from > > [212.205.50.129].16777 for "aol.com" > > > > what is this machine trying to do?!? > > > > You seem to have restricted your named to which adresses it wants to > answer queries to. > > Then an old customer of yours are trying to use your nameserver, but > isn't allowed to. No worry. > > If you get messages regarding somebody trying to _update_ your dns, > then you need to start worrying... > > I once had this, it was because some NT was thinking it was > authoritative over a domain of ours, which it wasn't. They had just > used a domainname which were their compamy name for their internal > network, and never bothered to check if it was taken, when they got > online. i blocked the IP address at the router level so the messages are gone now :) hehe -- francis vidal university of st. la salle, bacolod city, philippines . . . . . . . PGP key available via e-mail / subject: get PGP key u s l s N E T tel nos. (+63.34).433.3526 / fax (+63.34).434.0415 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 26 9: 8: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from atlas.usls.edu (atlas.usls.edu [202.47.133.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5ED14D2C for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:07:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from francis@usls.edu) Received: by atlas.usls.edu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EE42A9B19; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:07:29 +0800 (PHT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atlas.usls.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AB15D14 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:07:29 +0800 (PHT) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:07:29 +0800 (PHT) From: "Francis A. Vidal" To: FreeBSD ISP Subject: tacacs+ accounting package? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi all, is there a software package that can read tacacs+ accounting files and convert them into billing statements? =) most of the packages available are for radius. -- francis vidal university of st. la salle, bacolod city, philippines . . . . . . . PGP key available via e-mail / subject: get PGP key u s l s N E T tel nos. (+63.34).433.3526 / fax (+63.34).434.0415 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 26 9:29:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from euphoria.confusion.net (dementia.confusion.net [205.166.119.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA5715229 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:29:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stuyman@euphoria.confusion.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by euphoria.confusion.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA16112 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:28:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:28:49 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Berland To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Colocation bandwidthcost predictions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm looking for some information on cost of bandiwdth in a colo situation, especially predictions of future costs in 5-10 years as well as near term (1-4 years). If anyone has such information or knows of a place where I can get it, please let me know Thanks in advance, Laurence To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 26 15: 3:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from valis.worldgate.ca (valis.worldgate.ca [198.161.84.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A7414E89 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:03:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skafte@worldgate.ca) Received: from worldgate.ca (skafte@diskless4.worldgate.ca [198.161.84.132]) by valis.worldgate.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA60669 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:03:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <388F7D3B.D8942E34@worldgate.ca> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:03:23 -0700 From: Greg Skafte Organization: WorldGate Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.36 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: has anyone heard of PowerScripts PlusMail WebControl Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------48BDFECBF5A3D6AE97B16F03" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------48BDFECBF5A3D6AE97B16F03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit has any one heard of "PowerScripts PlusMail WebControl"? I've seen several sites that seem to be using, but not a source of where to purchase/eval/audit it ... -- Email: skafte@worldgate.com Voice: +780 413 1910 Fax: +780 421 4929 #575 Sun Life Place * 10123 99 Street * Edmonton, AB * Canada * T5J 3H1 -- -- When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a whole lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the simplest thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. (Janet Morris) --------------48BDFECBF5A3D6AE97B16F03 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="skafte.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Greg Skafte Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="skafte.vcf" begin:vcard n:Skafte;Greg tel;pager:+1 (780) 491 4791 tel;cell:+1 (780) 718 1570 tel;fax:+1 (780) 421 4929 tel;work:+1 (780) 413 1910 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:;Network Operations adr:;;#575 10123 99 Street;Edmonton;Alberta;T5J 3H1;Canada version:2.1 email;internet:Skafte@worldgate.ca title:Operations Manager x-mozilla-cpt:;29088 fn:Greg Skafte end:vcard --------------48BDFECBF5A3D6AE97B16F03-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 26 16:16: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from intranova.net (blacklisted.intranova.net [209.3.31.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8866314F66 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:15:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oogali@intranova.net) Received: (qmail 45830 invoked by uid 1001); 26 Jan 2000 19:17:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:17:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Intranova Networking Group To: Greg Skafte Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: has anyone heard of PowerScripts PlusMail WebControl In-Reply-To: <388F7D3B.D8942E34@worldgate.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org plusmail.com is the home page I believe. Omachonu Ogali Intranova Networking Group On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Greg Skafte wrote: > has any one heard of "PowerScripts PlusMail WebControl"? > > I've seen several sites that seem to be using, but not a source of where > to purchase/eval/audit it ... > -- > Email: skafte@worldgate.com Voice: +780 413 1910 Fax: +780 421 4929 > #575 Sun Life Place * 10123 99 Street * Edmonton, AB * Canada * T5J 3H1 > -- -- > When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a > whole lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the > simplest thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. > (Janet Morris) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 26 17:37:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.island.net.au (mail.island.net.au [203.28.142.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB6A1541A for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 17:37:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hugh@island.net.au) Received: from solo (solo.island.net.au [203.28.142.5]) by mail.island.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA19546 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:37:32 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <015501bf6866$8a12bd20$088ea8c0@island.net.au> From: "Hugh Blandford" To: Subject: Web Accelerators Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:33:39 +1100 Organization: Island Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was wondering whether anyone was using squid in its web acceleration mode and what experiences you had had. Was it more effort than it was worth? Did you gain anything by doing it? Regards, Hugh Blandford To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 26 19:38:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB3B1549A for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:38:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: from confusion.net (user-2ive6im.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.26.86]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29145 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:38:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <388FBD77.B28A031C@confusion.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:37:27 -0500 From: Laurence Berland Organization: B.R.A.T.T. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: RealVideo, Databases, and Colocation (3 questions) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If someone who has experience setting up Real Streaming audio and video on freebsd servers could send me a message off list, I'm trying to get some information that's more practical than what real is quoting me in terms of resource needs. I'm especially curious about CPU loads, and if anybody has any advice on load balancing between multiple real servers that'd be very good. Second, database mirroring. I'm looking to set something up with MySQL or PostgreSQL that will balance the load between multiple servers with the same database on them. What's the best way to go about this, and how large a load can I expect to handle with one server before I need to start adding servers. I've also gotten a few responses to my bandwidth question earlier, most asking me to elaborate. I'm not yet looking to host, but will be within a year or so. I'm interested in your rates for full colocation with backup power, full AC, and bandwidth that will eventually need to scale rather high (Pushing Gigabit in 4-5 years if all goes well). Our initial need is for a full duplex 100 Mbit dedicated/switched ethernet feed (dedicated preferred). It's important to have at least some estimates on what your rates will be 5-10 years down the line, and any place giving me data will be seriously considered when we actually require services. I apologize if these questions border on relevance for this list, and I'm thankful that people are willing to put up with me and answer me anyway. If this thing ever takes off I'm gonna make sure the FreeBSD project gets some major dough out of it. If anyone can suggest a list where these might be more relevant questions please let me know. Thanks again for all your help, -- Laurence Berland <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. http://stuy.debate.net icq #7434346 aol imer E1101 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 27 2:35:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.polytechnic.edu.na (mail.polytechnic.edu.na [196.31.225.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E0515513 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 02:35:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tim@polytechnic.edu.na) Received: from [196.31.225.199] (helo=polytechnic.edu.na) by mail.polytechnic.edu.na with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #2) id 12DoB9-00028B-00; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:37:39 -0200 Message-ID: <38901F98.7CC2FB46@polytechnic.edu.na> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:36:09 +0200 From: Tim Priebe Reply-To: tim@polytechnic.edu.na Organization: Polytechnic of Namibia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Berland , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Colocation bandwidthcost predictions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Larry Berland wrote: > I'm looking for some information on cost of bandiwdth in a colo situation, > especially predictions of future costs in 5-10 years as well as near term > (1-4 years). If anyone has such information or knows of a place where I > can get it, please let me know > > > Thanks in advance, > Laurence We are working in an exponential growth industry, that growth rate will not continue forever, but to predict prices for 5-10 years from now is nothing but pure speculation, and is likely to be off by orders of magnitude. For 1-4 years be conservative, assume the prices will remain the same. You will still need to review your budget regularly. Tim. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 27 3:16: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.magicnet.net (bilver.magicnet.net [157.238.16.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67DDD155AA for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 03:15:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) id GAA55609 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 06:11:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 06:11:31 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Colocation bandwidthcost predictions Message-ID: <20000127061130.A55558@bilver.magicnet.net> References: <38901F98.7CC2FB46@polytechnic.edu.na> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <38901F98.7CC2FB46@polytechnic.edu.na>; from tim@polytechnic.edu.na on Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 12:36:09PM +0200 Organization: Vermillion Consulting Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 12:36:09PM +0200, Thus Spake Tim Priebe: > On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Larry Berland wrote: > > I'm looking for some information on cost of bandwidth in a colo > > situation, especially predictions of future costs in 5-10 years > > as well as near term (1-4 years). If anyone has such information > > or knows of a place where can get it, please let me know > We are working in an exponential growth industry, that growth rate > will not continue forever, but to predict prices for 5-10 years > from now is nothing but pure speculation, and is likely to be off > by orders of magnitude. For 1-4 years be conservative, assume the > prices will remain the same. You will still need to review your > budget regularly. From the places I've seen the typical price for the past year to 18 months is about $700/mbit on bandwidth. Transport prices appear to be dropping but bandwidth seems not to vary much Bill -- Bill Vermillion bv @ wjv.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 27 8:48:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from genus.am.wroc.pl (genus.am.wroc.pl [156.17.100.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A488A1569C for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:46:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reader@genus.am.wroc.pl) Received: from localhost (reader@localhost) by genus.am.wroc.pl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA02051 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:45:57 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:45:57 +0100 (CET) From: Czytelnik To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Upgrade Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Helo How can I upgrade FreeBSD 3.2 to 3.4 or 4.0? M.N. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 27 11:31:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.249.195.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C482115599 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 11:31:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paulo@nlink.com.br) Received: (qmail 8602 invoked by uid 501); 27 Jan 2000 19:31:28 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Jan 2000 19:31:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:31:28 -0200 (EDT) From: Paulo Fragoso To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: PHP security Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I would like to limit access to php scripts, I'm trying to set into httpd.conf: php3_safe_mode on php3_doc_root /some_dir/data/htdocs/php but it don't work. When I access a simple php3 script in /some_dir/data/htdocs my web server run that script fine. Is possible using "php3_safe" and "php3_doc_root" restrict php3 scripts under /some_dir/data/htdocs/php? Or is there other way to make this? I'm using: Apache/1.3.11 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.5.0 OpenSSL/0.9.4 PHP/3.0.14 with FreeBSD 3.4. Thanks, Paulo. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 27 11:53:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from outlier.axl.net (outlier.axl.net [216.66.11.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A772F14DF6 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 11:53:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@axl.net) Received: (qmail 56133 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2000 19:52:11 -0000 Received: from ws-01.matthennigus.lightningdsl.net (HELO sinister) (216.66.30.66) by outlier.axl.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2000 19:52:11 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Matthew B. Henniges" To: "Paulo Fragoso" , Subject: RE: PHP security Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 14:54:29 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org those go in /usr/local/etc/php3.ini, not the apache config Matthew B. Henniges Axl.net Communications http://www.axl.net (203) 552-1714 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Paulo Fragoso > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 2:31 PM > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: PHP security > > > Hi, > > I would like to limit access to php scripts, I'm trying to set into > httpd.conf: > > php3_safe_mode on > php3_doc_root /some_dir/data/htdocs/php > > but it don't work. > > When I access a simple php3 script in /some_dir/data/htdocs my web server > run that script fine. > > Is possible using "php3_safe" and "php3_doc_root" restrict php3 scripts > under /some_dir/data/htdocs/php? Or is there other way to make this? > > I'm using: Apache/1.3.11 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.5.0 OpenSSL/0.9.4 PHP/3.0.14 > with FreeBSD 3.4. > > Thanks, > Paulo. > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 27 16:15:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from super-g.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F2B15853 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 16:15:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: by super-g.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5AD0DB506; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 465A1B502 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:15:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:15:08 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Centralized auth shell/pop/dial Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I know this is something of a recurring question on this list, but here it comes again, the one that all ISPs that reach a certain size they realize they must come here and ask... What options exist to scale user management beyond a few boxes? I never touched NIS, but it seems interesting. However, I refuse to run any rpc-based service unless I really need to. We currently have users spread out over a number of boxes; ftp/shell/www, pop/radius, pop for dedicated line users. It's getting to be a mess, I want to control/create these accounts on one machine. If someone like Matt (from BEST) could chime in on what their scheme was as they grew to multiple shell/pop servers, I'd love to hear it. I'm open to stashing all the auth info in a database, one big password file, anything. I'm also comfortable ssh-ing files around from box to box... What is the status of things that could make NIS more secure like IPSec? Where's LDAP going? Any news about 4.0 that could make distributed auth. easier? Thanks, Charles --- Charles Sprickman spork@super-g.com --- "...there's no idea that's so good you can't ruin it with a few well-placed idiots." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 27 20:44:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns0.sitesnow.com (ns0.sitesnow.com [216.130.1.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932BA159FA for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:44:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gskouby@ns0.sitesnow.com) Received: from gskouby (helo=localhost) by ns0.sitesnow.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12E3Gx-000NZu-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:44:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:44:39 -0500 (EST) From: Greg Skouby To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: NIS client setup again Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I managed to get an NIS master server working. However, I managed to get one of the clients set up but I am struggling with the only other client that I need to set up. I have this in /etc/rc.conf: nisdomainname="example.net" nis_client_enable="YES" nis_client_flags="-S example.net,web.example.net" Within a couple of minutes after booting this client machine I see the ypbind in the ps -aux but then it disappears shortly after that and it appears that it never does its job because there is nothing in /var/yp except Makefile.dist. I edited host.conf to contain this: bind nis hosts I edited the master.passwd with vipw to contain the "magic cookie" at the end. Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong please. Any command that I issue such as ypcat master.passwd gives me: %ypcat master.passwd ypcat: no such map master.passwd.byname. reason: Can't bind to server which serves this domain If i issue the ypbind -S example.net, web.example.net from the command line it goes through but soon it disappears from the ps -aux output and the binding is not made. Any suggestions to keep me from pulling my hair out? I searched the archives but found nothing really pertaining to my exact problem in there. Thank you very much. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 27 23: 4:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.island.net.au (mail.island.net.au [203.28.142.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD80014DDD for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:04:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hugh@island.net.au) Received: from solo (solo.island.net.au [203.28.142.5]) by mail.island.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA27610; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:04:09 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <002701bf695d$4e9dc260$088ea8c0@island.net.au> From: "Hugh Blandford" To: "spork" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Centralized auth shell/pop/dial Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:00:05 +1100 Organization: Island Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Charles, there was some suggestion that you could integrate NIS and Kerberos but I haven't been able to find any info on anyone who has done it. I would love to hear from people who have done this, especially if they got in running on sub-T1 WANs. Regards, Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: spork To: Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 11:15 AM Subject: Centralized auth shell/pop/dial > Hello, > > I know this is something of a recurring question on this list, but here it > comes again, the one that all ISPs that reach a certain size they realize > they must come here and ask... > > What options exist to scale user management beyond a few boxes? I never > touched NIS, but it seems interesting. However, I refuse to run any > rpc-based service unless I really need to. We currently have users spread > out over a number of boxes; ftp/shell/www, pop/radius, pop for dedicated > line users. It's getting to be a mess, I want to control/create these > accounts on one machine. > > If someone like Matt (from BEST) could chime in on what their scheme was > as they grew to multiple shell/pop servers, I'd love to hear it. > > I'm open to stashing all the auth info in a database, one big password > file, anything. I'm also comfortable ssh-ing files around from box to > box... > > What is the status of things that could make NIS more secure like IPSec? > Where's LDAP going? Any news about 4.0 that could make distributed auth. > easier? > > Thanks, > > Charles > > --- > Charles Sprickman > spork@super-g.com > --- > "...there's no idea that's so good you can't > ruin it with a few well-placed idiots." > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 28 2:43:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.249.195.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D235154B8 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 02:43:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paulo@nlink.com.br) Received: (qmail 44463 invoked by uid 501); 28 Jan 2000 10:21:34 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Jan 2000 10:21:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:21:34 -0200 (EDT) From: Paulo Fragoso To: "Matthew B. Henniges" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: PHP security In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Matthew B. Henniges wrote: > those go in /usr/local/etc/php3.ini, not the apache config > I've ever tried that and I've got same results. It's explained in http://www.php.net/manual/configuration.php3 : " With PHP 3.0, there are Apache directives that correspond to each configuration setting in the php3.ini name, except the name is prefixed by "php3_". " Why do I not obtain the whished results? Thanks Paulo. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 28 3:30:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.249.195.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A820150BF for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 03:30:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paulo@nlink.com.br) Received: (qmail 49615 invoked by uid 501); 28 Jan 2000 11:27:50 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Jan 2000 11:27:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:27:50 -0200 (EDT) From: Paulo Fragoso To: "Matthew B. Henniges" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: PHP security In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Matthew B. Henniges wrote: > those go in /usr/local/etc/php3.ini, not the apache config > > > php3_safe_mode on > > php3_doc_root /some_dir/data/htdocs/php I've noted some pages using php don't work out /some_dir/data/htdocs/php if I'm setting "php3_safe_mode" and "php3_doc_root". But I would like stop all php_module out that dir. Is it possible? Is there any way to make this using Apache directives? Thanks, Paulo. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 28 8:41:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from virtual-voodoo.com (virtual-voodoo.com [204.120.165.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816E7158ED; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:41:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@virtual-voodoo.com) Received: (from steve@localhost) by virtual-voodoo.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA61884; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:41:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from steve) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:41:28 -0500 From: Steve Ames To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SMPT AUTH Message-ID: <20000128114128.A46858@virtual-voodoo.com> References: <200001281557.HAA55849@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200001281557.HAA55849@freefall.freebsd.org>; from sheldonh@FreeBSD.ORG on Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 07:57:55AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Also added hooks for SMTP AUTH and PAM support, disabled by default > for now. SMTP AUTH is a topic thats becoming pretty important to me. Its my understanding that sendmail 8.10 will support it. Anyone know what other mail servers (MTA) (other than sendmail 8.10 and apparently exim) will/do support SMTP AUTH? What about client support? What's out there? -Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message