From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 12 2:23:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dominik.saargate.de (ich.mag.frau.trapp.nonsensss.de [212.88.133.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7362C37BAFD for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 02:23:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from domi@saargate.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dominik.saargate.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23583; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:24:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from domi@saargate.de) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:24:48 +0100 (CET) From: Dominik Brettnacher To: "Doug@gorean.org" Cc: jeff@comnetcom.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: named problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, Doug@gorean.org wrote: > Problem A) You're using nslookup. Don't do that. Why not? -- Dominik - http://www.brettnacher.org/users/dominik/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 12 3: 8:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mout0.freenet.de (mout0.freenet.de [194.97.50.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1652437B94F; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 03:08:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netchild@leidinger.net) Received: from [62.104.201.6] (helo=mx0.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12U6EV-0002w2-00; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:08:27 +0100 Received: from [213.6.44.253] (helo=Magelan.Leidinger.net) by mx0.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 12U6EN-00070z-00; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:08:22 +0100 Received: from Leidinger.net (netchild@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Magelan.Leidinger.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01286; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:09:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from netchild@Leidinger.net) Message-Id: <200003121009.LAA01286@Magelan.Leidinger.net> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:09:37 +0100 (CET) From: Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: FrontPage extensions on Apache(/PHP+SSL upgrade) To: danielb@pacex.net Cc: dannyh@idx.com.au, wolfman@csocs.com, jpr@vcnet.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 11 Mar, Dan B. wrote: >> If you have the same Version of Apache+PHP already installed just do a >> "make install -DFORCE_PKG_REGISTER; apachectl graceful" >> and everything should work (you have to enable PHP/SSL in your >> apache.conf afterwards, just compare the old apache.conf.default with >> the new one). > OK sounds great, but how can I sneak-in mySQL as well? cause I already > have Apache-1.3.9/PHP-3.0.12 running and want to end up with > Apache/PHP/SSL/mySQL and ofcourse FP. I assume a worst case of Apache-1.3.9/PHP-3.0.12/FP running and updating it to Apache-1.3.xx/PHP3.0.yy/FP (xx > 9, yy > 12). Note: I didn't know how to use FP with apache, insert neccessary steps to get FP extensions into the following description. - Use a spare box without apache but the same directory layout as you use on your server - cd /usr/ports/www/apache13-php3 - make install (now tell the port in the dialog to use MySQL+SSL) - Compare everything with the old version of apache on the production machine and modify (or copy) the config to suit your needs. Make sure you copy every FP file which seems to cary informations (like counter information/...) which are used by your customers and are located at places which get overwritten by the next steps. - To be on the safe side: make a backup of your old apache. - pkg_delete - copy the new version to the server - restart apache - copy /var/db/pkg/ from the spare box to the server If you didn't have a spare box to play with you have to change "make install" to "PREFIX=/some/other/place make install" and after a make clean you have to build (not install) the port again without PREFIX. Now copy the files from the second build to /some/other/place by yourself and proceed as above. (The install with 'PREFIX' installs every file into /some/other/place, the second build builds executables with correct paths for config files) Bye, Alexander. -- To boldly go where I surely don't belong. http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander+Home @ Leidinger.net Key fingerprint = 7423 F3E6 3A7E B334 A9CC B10A 1F5F 130A A638 6E7E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 12 3:21:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tardis.patho.gen.nz (tardis.patho.gen.nz [203.97.2.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C375937BDF7; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 03:21:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jabley@tardis.patho.gen.nz) Received: (from jabley@localhost) by tardis.patho.gen.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27224; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:21:09 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:21:08 +1300 From: Joe Abley To: Dominic Mitchell Cc: Brian Somers , Nik Clayton , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.awfulhak.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ispsetup (was: Re: FreeBSD in Dixons) Message-ID: <20000313002106.A32502@patho.gen.nz> References: <200003100835.IAA00469@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> <20000311000931.A349@myrddin.demon.co.uk> <20000311181152.A1206@myrddin.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000311181152.A1206@myrddin.demon.co.uk>; from dom@happygiraffe.net on Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 06:11:52PM +0000 X-Files: the Truth is Out There Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 06:11:52PM +0000, Dominic Mitchell wrote: > * We need to sit down together and figure out 90% of the variables > needed to configure each service for an isp. There are a number of > issues involved. The biggie for me is how to do resolv.conf > correctly, even in the case of multiple isp's (not all of them give > DNS configuration through IPCP). There are complications in selecting which number to dial, too. For example, here in NZ: + if you're attached to an office PABX, you usually dial 1 for an outside line + except sometimes you're in the office of a European or US-run company, and they feel more comfortable using 9 + some ISPs have nationally-significant numbers, like 0800, 0508, 0867 or 0873 + some ISPs don't + some nationally-significant numbers are not dialable from offices, and are only for use from residential lines + if there is no local number, you need to be given a choice as to which one to call -- for example some homes have plans which permit local-rate dialling to an adjacent area code for an additional monthly flat fee + some area codes cover a lot of different local calling areas, so local access numbers need to be listed by area name rather than area code + you normally don't want to dial the area code before your local access number, since if you do you will probably be charged a toll rate for the call I see in the Demon example you used 0845, which is cheating :) I'm not sure a totally generic solution is even possible, but it'd be nice to be flexible. Mmm. Why don't people store this kind of thing in the DNS? clearnet.auckland.nz.dial.isp-access.net. IN TXT "09-9123050" clearnet.national.nz.dial.isp-access.net. IN TXT "0508550050" iprolink.national.nz.dial.isp-access.net. IN TXT "086747765" iprolink.auckland.nz.dial.isp-access.net. IN TXT "09-3590707" or something :) Oh, no -- wait a minute, I knew this sounded familiar: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-roamops-phonebook-xml-03.txt XML anyone? Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 12 10:46:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from berlin.ccc.de (berlin.ccc.de [195.21.255.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EDD8C37BDE7 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:46:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from atoth@berlin.ccc.de) Received: (qmail 41017 invoked by uid 1025); 12 Mar 2000 18:46:52 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Mar 2000 18:46:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:46:52 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Lehner To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ispsetup (was: Re: FreeBSD in Dixons) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 at 00:21:08 NZDT, Joe Abley wrote: % Mmm. Why don't people store this kind of thing in the DNS? % % clearnet.auckland.nz.dial.isp-access.net. IN TXT "09-9123050" % clearnet.national.nz.dial.isp-access.net. IN TXT "0508550050" % iprolink.national.nz.dial.isp-access.net. IN TXT "086747765" % iprolink.auckland.nz.dial.isp-access.net. IN TXT "09-3590707" % % or something :) RfC 1183 "New DNS RR Definitions" Section 3.2 "The ISDN RR" defines how to store an address by which a system connected to the ISD Network can be reached. --- snip --- 3.2. The ISDN RR The ISDN RR is defined with mnemonic ISDN and type code 20 (decimal). An ISDN (Integrated Service Digital Network) number is simply a telephone number. The intent of the members of the CCITT is to upgrade all telephone and data network service to a common service. The numbering plan (E.163/E.164) is the same as the familiar international plan for POTS (an un-official acronym, meaning Plain Old Telephone Service). In E.166, CCITT says "An E.163/E.164 telephony subscriber may become an ISDN subscriber without a number change." ISDN has the following format: ISDN The field is required; is optional. identifies the ISDN number of and DDI (Direct Dial In) if any, as defined by E.164 [8] and E.163 [7], the ISDN and PSTN (Public Switched Telephone Network) numbering plan. E.163 defines the country codes, and E.164 the form of the addresses. Its format in master files is a syntactically identical to that used in TXT and HINFO. specifies the subaddress (SA). The format of in master files is a syntactically identical to that used in TXT and HINFO. The format of ISDN is class insensitive. ISDN RRs cause no additional section processing. The is a string of characters, normally decimal digits, beginning with the E.163 country code and ending with the DDI if any. Note that ISDN, in Q.931, permits any IA5 character in the general case. The is a string of hexadecimal digits. For digits 0-9, the concrete encoding in the Q.931 call setup information element is identical to BCD. For example: Relay.Prime.COM. IN ISDN 150862028003217 sh.Prime.COM. IN ISDN 150862028003217 004 (Note: "1" is the country code for the North American Integrated Numbering Area, i.e., the system of "area codes" familiar to people in those countries.) The RR data is the ASCII representation of the digits. It is encoded as one or two s, i.e., count followed by characters. CCITT recommendation E.166 [9] defines prefix escape codes for the representation of ISDN (E.163/E.164) addresses in X.121, and PSDN (X.121) addresses in E.164. It specifies that the exact codes are a "national matter", i.e., different on different networks. A host connected to the ISDN may be able to use both the X25 and ISDN addresses, with the local prefix added. --- snip --- Note that this does not solve the problem of required dial prefixes that you have mentioned. As this usually does not change on a workstation remaining within the PABX, a global variable could be set in /etc/defaults/rc.conf or anywhere else you believe this to fit in. HTH, Andreas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 12 11: 0:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from greencreek.kappaisle.com (24.65.68.249.on.wave.home.com [24.65.68.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5702E37BDF9; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:00:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mikey@kappaisle.com) Received: from localhost (mikey@localhost) by greencreek.kappaisle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08220; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:02:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mikey@kappaisle.com) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:02:36 -0500 (EST) From: Mike To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Password distribution and authentication Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everyone! Besides using NIS (which is rather an insecure way) for password/group file distribution around the servers on the network, is there any other way to accomplish a centralized or distributed password authentication task? Looking forward in hearing your replies! Thank you Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 12 11: 7:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from redbox.venux.net (redbox.venux.net [216.47.238.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDF137B9E9; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:06:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mitch@venux.net) Received: from doot2 (usr3-ip134-grr.wmis.net [209.176.193.184]) by redbox.venux.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 58A402E20B; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:54:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003701bf8c56$86265b40$0300000a@doot.org> From: "Mitch Vincent" To: "Mike" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Password distribution and authentication Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:09:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm working towards using a central SQL database (probably MySQL) for all authentication -- in fact, everything period.. I'm working on a SQL DNS server, there is a semi broken one at bind.linuxos.net. There isn't an "in a box" solution for this, so far I have : ProFTPD as the FTP daemon, there is a mod_mysql and mod_sqlpw for it that seems to work nicely. Qpopper with a patch to auth from a MySQL database (http://www.netd.co.za/mysql_mail/) And Exim as a MTA (http://www.netd.co.za/mysql_mail/) - it has native support for MySQL :-) RADIUS - There are plenty of MySQLized RADIUS servers, Cistron is one (there are links to others at http://www.miquels.cistron.nl/radius/) I've also toyed with the idea of using the PAM module for RADIUS authentication, nearly everything now has support for PAM authentication. Good luck! -Mitch ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 2:02 PM Subject: Password distribution and authentication > Hi everyone! > > Besides using NIS (which is rather an insecure way) for password/group > file distribution around the servers on the network, is there any other > way to accomplish a centralized or distributed password authentication > task? > > Looking forward in hearing your replies! > > Thank you > > Mike > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 12 11:12:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E298A37B960; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:12:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29643; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:11:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:11:28 -0500 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: Mike Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Password distribution and authentication Message-ID: <20000312141128.A28974@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Reply-To: cjclark@home.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from mikey@kappaisle.com on Sun, Mar 12, 2000 at 02:02:36PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Mar 12, 2000 at 02:02:36PM -0500, Mike wrote: > Hi everyone! > > Besides using NIS (which is rather an insecure way) for password/group > file distribution around the servers on the network, is there any other > way to accomplish a centralized or distributed password authentication > task? > > Looking forward in hearing your replies! Kerberos. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 12 12:12: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wzrd.com (mail.wzrd.com [206.99.165.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5C137BAE2 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:11:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danh@wzrd.com) Received: by mail.wzrd.com (Postfix, from userid 91) id 010215D03D; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:11:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: How to get Sendmail 8.10 in stable? In-Reply-To: <200003121949.OAA47466@sanson.reyes.somos.net> from Francisco Reyes at "Mar 12, 2000 2:51:21 pm" To: fran@reyes.somos.net Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:11:57 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 584 Message-Id: <20000312201157.010215D03D@mail.wzrd.com> From: danh@wzrd.com (Dan Harnett) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, > The reason I asked is because there IS some level of integration > between FreeBSD and sendmail. > For instance Buildworld re-creates the sendmail.cf > > did you have to take sendmail out of any of the configuration > files (rc.conf, kernel)? > I seem to recall that if one is going to use something other > than the sendmail that comes with stable that one needs to > disable something somewhere. Put this in your /etc/make.conf: NO_SENDMAIL= true That should prevent your sendmail install and configuration files from being overwritten by a make world. Dan Harnett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 12 14:47: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from nara.off.connect.com.au (nara.off.connect.com.au [192.94.41.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E372137B941 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:46:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darius@connect.com.au) Received: from connect.com.au (darius@localhost) by nara.off.connect.com.au with ESMTP id JAA14119 (8.8.8/IDA-1.7); Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:46:05 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <200003122246.JAA14119@nara.off.connect.com.au> To: Rowan Crowe Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, aussie-isp@aussie.net From: Kevin Littlejohn Reply-To: Kevin Littlejohn Subject: Re: [Oz-ISP] tagging IP packets travelling over internal network In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:03:06 +1100." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <14113.952901165.1@connect.com.au> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:46:05 +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>> Rowan Crowe wrote > Hi all, > > (sent to both freebsd-isp, a FreeBSD ISP mailing list, and aussie-isp, a > generic Australian ISP mailing list) > > I'm just about to move to a teired pricing system which offers different > rates for server (proxy/news/email), national direct, and international > direct, which will be calculated based on where the packet entered my > network - eg if it comes via Telstra then it's considered national. > > The problem with this is that I have to account at 4 different inbound > points, and something central has to collect this data from the individual > points and apply them to a single account. Assuming you're using cisco routers, Lincoln has I believe already suggested netflow as a data collection system. That's a good suggestion - netflow will report traffic 'flows' - data between two points over a certain timeframe - and will report byte counts and packet counts. If you're working on all traffic through a FreeBSD box or similar, I'd recommend putting some thought into building something that outputs in flows, rather than bytecounts - you'll find that's a good way to manage large volumes of traffic data. Tagging packets in some way may be theoretically doable, but I'd not be sure how and it'd increase the size of all your packets = artificially inflating bytecounts. The things to watch out for in a system like this are that you're counting traffic only once (remarkably fun to get right), and that you're throwing away traffic between places you don't care about while counting traffic between places you do care about (eg. if you suddenly manage to route all outbound from your local peering point out via telstra for them, you don't want your accounting system to have a heart attack ;) Also, there's some fun things to do with different interfaces etc., which you'll discover as you go. If you are setting something like this up, keep half a mind on using it as a traffic management tool, also - there's a lot of good data that can be collected from something like this, it can make managing certain classes of problems a bit easier. Incidentally (plug ;), if you're taking traffic from CCA, we can provide fairly good breakdowns, to individual network and sometimes individual IP, of what class of traffic your IP numbers are doing. ie. if you've got a particular /24 you're interested in, we can probably provide national/ international breakdowns for that /24 by itself. I believe our sales critters are announcing the web pages for that RSN... KevinL (who really should put together some docco on the techie side of CCA's traffic counting system sometime) --------------- qnevhf@obsu.arg.nh --------------- Kevin Littlejohn, Technical Architect, Connect.com.au Don't let the Govt censor our access to the 'net - http://www.efa.org.au/Campaigns/stop.html ---------- telnet mud.bofh.net.au 5000 ----------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 12 21:33:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.island.net.au (mail.island.net.au [203.28.142.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B4937B5E7 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:33:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hugh@island.net.au) Received: from solo (solo.island.net.au [203.28.142.5]) by mail.island.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA10961; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:28:02 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <00f501bf8cac$832b9bc0$088ea8c0@island.net.au> From: "Hugh Blandford" To: , "Mike" Cc: References: <20000312141128.A28974@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: Password distribution and authentication Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:25:14 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All, when ever these discussions come up, invariably someone suggests the use of kerberos. Have any ISPs implemented this solution across their servers? Have you used NIS to keep the passwords in sync? I would be most interested to hear what people have done in this area. Thanks, Hugh Blandford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crist J. Clark" To: "Mike" Cc: ; Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 6:11 AM Subject: Re: Password distribution and authentication > On Sun, Mar 12, 2000 at 02:02:36PM -0500, Mike wrote: > > Hi everyone! > > > > Besides using NIS (which is rather an insecure way) for password/group > > file distribution around the servers on the network, is there any other > > way to accomplish a centralized or distributed password authentication > > task? > > > > Looking forward in hearing your replies! > > Kerberos. > -- > Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 12 23:59:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sandbox.uncanny.net (sandbox.uncanny.net [140.174.20.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6916137B721 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:59:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ee@sandbox.uncanny.net) Received: (from ee@localhost) by sandbox.uncanny.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id XAA25557; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:52:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ee) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:52:48 -0800 (PST) From: Edward Elhauge Message-Id: <200003130752.XAA25557@sandbox.uncanny.net> To: "Hugh Blandford" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Password distribution and authentication In-Reply-To: <20000312141128.A28974@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> <00f501bf8cac$832b9bc0$088ea8c0@island.net.au> Organization: Uncanny Inc. Reply-To: ee@uncanny.net User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980818 ("Laura") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.1-RELEASE (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I do Hugh, I use Kerberos for user authentication but I create a password file entry for each user that looks something like this: userexample:*:7777:7777::0:0:Mail only:/home/userexample:/sbin/nologin on a mail machine and: userexample:*:7777:7777::0:0:Test User:/home/userexample:/bin/csh on a shell machine. I create an entry in the groups file. I use scripts to do that for each user. Using that system I don't need NIS at all. The only problem now is that there doesn't exist Kerberized clients for all applications (Kerberized servers do exist for most things). For instance all telnet sessions are secure but there is not plug-in (as far as I know) that will Kerberize a Netscape Messenger session. What I've done is patch IMAP so that it looks to the Kerberos for authentication as a client. This is less than ideal because the password goes in the clear between Messenger and the IMAP server, but it does centralize the password scheme. To minimize the danger I associate a separate user entry for mail for each user. In other words there might would be a kerberos principle (user) called userexample to be used for telnet and FTP and another one called userexample-imap. When the IMAP server sees an authentication call for userexample it gathers the password and tries to authenticate userexample-imap using that password. It works fairly well but it would be nice if Netscape and Internet Explorer would do Kerberos authentication. In article <00f501bf8cac$832b9bc0$088ea8c0@island.net.au> you wrote: > Hi All, > when ever these discussions come up, invariably someone suggests the use of > kerberos. Have any ISPs implemented this solution across their servers? > Have you used NIS to keep the passwords in sync? I would be most interested > to hear what people have done in this area. > Thanks, > Hugh Blandford > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Crist J. Clark" > To: "Mike" > Cc: ; > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 6:11 AM > Subject: Re: Password distribution and authentication >> On Sun, Mar 12, 2000 at 02:02:36PM -0500, Mike wrote: >> > Hi everyone! >> > >> > Besides using NIS (which is rather an insecure way) for password/group >> > file distribution around the servers on the network, is there any other >> > way to accomplish a centralized or distributed password authentication >> > task? >> > >> > Looking forward in hearing your replies! >> >> Kerberos. >> -- >> Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Edward Elhauge | "War is like love; Uncanny Inc., San Francisco | it always finds a way." | -- Bertold Brecht To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 13 0:23:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5352B37B5D3; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:23:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dom@happygiraffe.net) Received: from myrddin.demon.co.uk ([158.152.54.180]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12UQ8R-000Iut-0B; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:23:31 +0000 Received: by myrddin.demon.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 66C7A2163; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:16:40 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:16:40 +0000 To: Joe Abley Cc: Dominic Mitchell , Brian Somers , Nik Clayton , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.awfulhak.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ispsetup (was: Re: FreeBSD in Dixons) Message-ID: <20000313081639.A348@myrddin.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Joe Abley , Dominic Mitchell , Brian Somers , Nik Clayton , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.awfulhak.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200003100835.IAA00469@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> <20000311000931.A349@myrddin.demon.co.uk> <20000311181152.A1206@myrddin.demon.co.uk> <20000313002106.A32502@patho.gen.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <20000313002106.A32502@patho.gen.nz>; from Joe Abley on Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 12:21:08AM +1300 From: dom@happygiraffe.net (Dominic Mitchell) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 12:21:08AM +1300, Joe Abley wrote: > On Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 06:11:52PM +0000, Dominic Mitchell wrote: > > * We need to sit down together and figure out 90% of the variables > > needed to configure each service for an isp. There are a number of > > issues involved. The biggie for me is how to do resolv.conf > > correctly, even in the case of multiple isp's (not all of them give > > DNS configuration through IPCP). > > There are complications in selecting which number to dial, too. > For example, here in NZ: [snip] > I see in the Demon example you used 0845, which is cheating :) I'm > not sure a totally generic solution is even possible, but it'd be > nice to be flexible. Well, I'm sure a gfeneric solution is possible; I do actually like the idea of the "dialling locations" feature in win95. However, for the moment, I think it's best to just put a reminder in the program stating that the configuration assumes a national phone number and no pabx (edit if required). We can then revisit this area when we have some more functionality in place. > Mmm. Why don't people store this kind of thing in the DNS? > > clearnet.auckland.nz.dial.isp-access.net. IN TXT "09-9123050" > clearnet.national.nz.dial.isp-access.net. IN TXT "0508550050" > iprolink.national.nz.dial.isp-access.net. IN TXT "086747765" > iprolink.auckland.nz.dial.isp-access.net. IN TXT "09-3590707" > > or something :) > > Oh, no -- wait a minute, I knew this sounded familiar: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-roamops-phonebook-xml-03.txt > > XML anyone? I'd like to stick to the base system if possible; and there's no XML parser there. :-( I think it would be a good idea though. -Dom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 13 0:23:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F8837B70E; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:23:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dom@happygiraffe.net) Received: from myrddin.demon.co.uk ([158.152.54.180]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12UQ8R-000Iuu-0B; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:23:32 +0000 Received: by myrddin.demon.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 288A72D02; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:22:48 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:22:47 +0000 To: Brian Somers Cc: Nik Clayton , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ispsetup (was: Re: FreeBSD in Dixons) Message-ID: <20000313082247.B348@myrddin.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Brian Somers , Nik Clayton , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org References: <20000311181152.A1206@myrddin.demon.co.uk> <200003112031.UAA12980@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <200003112031.UAA12980@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org>; from Brian Somers on Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 08:31:10PM +0000 From: dom@happygiraffe.net (Dominic Mitchell) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 08:31:10PM +0000, Brian Somers wrote: > > * We need to sit down together and figure out 90% of the variables > > needed to configure each service for an isp. There are a number of > > issues involved. The biggie for me is how to do resolv.conf > > correctly, even in the case of multiple isp's (not all of them give > > DNS configuration through IPCP). > > This has just got better. There's now (patch ready for Monday) a > ``resolv'' command in ppp: [snip] Thanks! I was just contemplating doing a patch today for just this sort of event (but on a much smaller scale). > Most ISPs (are Demon the only ones that don't these days?) will > negotiate DNS during IPCP. If they don't, we need to put them in the > config file. I haven't heard of any others that need it, but there's always one... > We always want ``resolv restore'' in ppp.linkdown. > > Ppp is then happy to rewrite resolv.conf and put it back when it's > done, but for those of us who use named, we want a small ``setdns'' > script. I happen to have a rather crude one here that replaces the > forwarders line in named.conf and HUPs named. I could tart it up a > bit and the use of it could be based on /etc/rc.conf containing > named_enable=YES. > > > * A number of configuration issues depend on which port/package has been > > installed. eg: sendmail vs postifx vs exim vs qmail or perhaps squid > > vs. wwwoffle. I'm not entirely sure how best to approach this. > > I reckon the aim should be to provide a list of possibilities, > indicating which of these would need to be installed. The > possibilities would be limited to what the writer understands/knows/ > likes... I was thinking of using a list, then checking to see which was installed and creating a configuration file for it. If not, then I'd present a list of packages/ports to install. Alternatively, we could write out the information in a "generic format", then change write a seperate program to lever that information into the ported programs configuration file... However, I still don't think that this would address the issue of being able to use multiple ISPs very well. Most server software today doesn't like to believe that it can end up in very different places on the net whilst it's still running. :-( -Dom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 13 1:32:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tardis.patho.gen.nz (tardis.patho.gen.nz [203.97.2.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F2837B799; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 01:32:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jabley@tardis.patho.gen.nz) Received: (from jabley@localhost) by tardis.patho.gen.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07983; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:32:00 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:31:58 +1300 From: Joe Abley To: Dominic Mitchell , Brian Somers , Nik Clayton , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.awfulhak.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ispsetup (was: Re: FreeBSD in Dixons) Message-ID: <20000313223154.A31177@patho.gen.nz> References: <200003100835.IAA00469@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> <20000311000931.A349@myrddin.demon.co.uk> <20000311181152.A1206@myrddin.demon.co.uk> <20000313002106.A32502@patho.gen.nz> <20000313081639.A348@myrddin.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000313081639.A348@myrddin.demon.co.uk>; from dom@happygiraffe.net on Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 08:16:40AM +0000 X-Files: the Truth is Out There Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 08:16:40AM +0000, Dominic Mitchell wrote: > > There are complications in selecting which number to dial, too. > > For example, here in NZ: > > [snip] > > > I see in the Demon example you used 0845, which is cheating :) I'm > > not sure a totally generic solution is even possible, but it'd be > > nice to be flexible. > > Well, I'm sure a gfeneric solution is possible; I do actually like the > idea of the "dialling locations" feature in win95. However, for the > moment, I think it's best to just put a reminder in the program stating > that the configuration assumes a national phone number and no pabx (edit > if required). We can then revisit this area when we have some more > functionality in place. I think the existence of a national number is the exception rather than the rule, although I appreciate things might be a little different in the UK. How about extending your directory structure to: .../isp/COUNTRY/REGION/ISP/ where COUNTRY is an iso3166 country code, and REGION is either a string representing a local calling area or some other obvious country-specific string like "national". See attached example -- note that I haven't changed your scripts; I've just added an extra layer of directories. Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 13 1:33: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tardis.patho.gen.nz (tardis.patho.gen.nz [203.97.2.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA9437B9EA; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 01:32:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jabley@tardis.patho.gen.nz) Received: (from jabley@localhost) by tardis.patho.gen.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26932; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:32:39 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:32:38 +1300 From: Joe Abley To: Dominic Mitchell , Brian Somers , Nik Clayton , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.awfulhak.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ispsetup (was: Re: FreeBSD in Dixons) Message-ID: <20000313223234.B31177@patho.gen.nz> References: <200003100835.IAA00469@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> <20000311000931.A349@myrddin.demon.co.uk> <20000311181152.A1206@myrddin.demon.co.uk> 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FreeBSD in Dixons) Message-ID: <20000313100627.A45351@irrelevant.org> References: <20000311181152.A1206@myrddin.demon.co.uk> <200003112031.UAA12980@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200003112031.UAA12980@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org>; from brian@Awfulhak.org on Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 08:31:10PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 08:31:10PM +0000, Brian Somers wrote: > > Most ISPs (are Demon the only ones that don't these days?) will > negotiate DNS during IPCP. If they don't, we need to put them in the > config file. Hmm, I was sure that Demon do provide the DNS servers during IPCP, I remember using that when I used to have my demon dialup account... Also, will there be any support for those ISPs (ie most UK ones) which have more than one dialup access number. -- Simon Dick simond@irrelevant.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 13 2:13:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from binnen.mail.nl.demon.net (binnen.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.72.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF6737B99D; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 02:13:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stanley@nl.demon.net) Received: from westlands.noc.nl.demon.net ([194.159.72.127]) by binnen.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12URqy-000M1i-00; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:13:36 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:13:36 +0100 (CET) From: Stanley Westerveld X-Sender: stanley@localhost To: simond@irrelevant.org Cc: Brian Somers , Nik Clayton , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ispsetup (was: Re: FreeBSD in Dixons) In-Reply-To: <20000313100627.A45351@irrelevant.org> Message-ID: X-NCC-RegID: nl.demon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 simond@irrelevant.org wrote: > Hmm, I was sure that Demon do provide the DNS servers during IPCP, I remember > using that when I used to have my demon dialup account... In The Netherlands we do, and since our systems are very much the same as the UK ones (I presume you are talking about the UK here), my guess would be that the UK does the same. Stanley -- "There is no spoon" stanley@nl.demon.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 13 2:18: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bumper.jellybaby.net (bumper.jellybaby.net [194.159.247.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEDA37B9AC; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 02:17:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simond@bumper.jellybaby.net) Received: (from simond@localhost) by bumper.jellybaby.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id KAA46821; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:17:52 GMT (envelope-from simond) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:17:52 +0000 From: simond@irrelevant.org To: Stanley Westerveld Cc: Brian Somers , Nik Clayton , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ispsetup (was: Re: FreeBSD in Dixons) Message-ID: <20000313101752.B45351@irrelevant.org> References: <20000313100627.A45351@irrelevant.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from stanley@nl.demon.net on Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 11:13:36AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 11:13:36AM +0100, Stanley Westerveld wrote: > On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 simond@irrelevant.org wrote: > > > Hmm, I was sure that Demon do provide the DNS servers during IPCP, I remember > > using that when I used to have my demon dialup account... > > In The Netherlands we do, and since our systems are very much the same as > the UK ones (I presume you are talking about the UK here), my guess would > be that the UK does the same. I know, I used to work for Demon UK, which is why I'm certain it worked :) -- Simon Dick simond@irrelevant.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 13 17:34: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from almazs.pacex.net (almazs.pacex.net [204.1.219.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6B037B5E3 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:34:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danielb@pacex.net) Received: from almazs.pacex.net (almazs.pacex.net [204.1.219.156]) by almazs.pacex.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17326; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:33:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:33:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Dan B. " To: Hugh Blandford Cc: cjclark@home.com, Mike , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Password distribution and authentication In-Reply-To: <00f501bf8cac$832b9bc0$088ea8c0@island.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Hugh Blandford wrote: > Hi All, > > when ever these discussions come up, invariably someone suggests the use of > kerberos. Have any ISPs implemented this solution across their servers? > Have you used NIS to keep the passwords in sync? I would be most interested > to hear what people have done in this area. About a year ago I run in to a situation where I had to sync user password and group files across two servers. With some good help from some one who has done this before we used rsync to sync data between the servers and with a couple of modification to 'adduser' and 'vipw' every time you add user or modifiey the password file rsync send a copy of the files to the "secondary" server via SSH. This worked great for our small application but I had some concerns using 'PermitRootLogin yes' in sshd_config of the "secondary server" (script requires root status to modify passwd file) so I had to disable it :( . I am open to criticism, suggestion. e.t.c as how password syncing can be done across servers SAFELY. Dan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 13 18: 8:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sand2.sentex.ca (sand2.sentex.ca [209.167.248.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1883A37B658 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:08:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite-atm.sentex.ca [209.112.4.1]) by sand2.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA81117; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:08:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from chimp.simianscience.com (ospf-mdt.sentex.net [205.211.164.81]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA15981; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:08:37 -0500 (EST) From: mike@sentex.net (Mike Tancsa) To: mikey@kappaisle.com (Mike) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Password distribution and authentication Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 02:07:54 GMT Message-ID: <38cd9dd7.1653575155@mail.sentex.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 12 Mar 2000 14:00:40 -0500, in sentex.lists.freebsd.isp you wrote: >Hi everyone! > >Besides using NIS (which is rather an insecure way) for password/group >file distribution around the servers on the network, is there any other >way to accomplish a centralized or distributed password authentication >task? One avenue I am exploring now is a combo of PAM and scripts to create/sync passwords along with RADIUS for authentication. The first sever I am trying it on is a new pop server. Basically, we have our one internal RADIUS authentication server that dialups authenticate against. Then to collect mail, they hit a different server that uses a slightly modified qpopper that checks via RADIUS instead of against the master.passwd file. I still have to populate users in the mail server's passwd file, but all the accounts are locked out with just an * for the passwd. This way I dont have to copy any passwords back and forth, just uids. I havent yet come up with a safe enough method to generate the place holder passwd files, but that will come in time I guess. ---Mike Mike Tancsa (mdtancsa@sentex.net) Sentex Communications Corp, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada "Given enough time, 100 monkeys on 100 routers could setup a national IP network." (KDW2) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 13 19:20:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B6637B58D for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:20:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from helen@dinoflagellate.demon.co.uk) Received: from dinoflagellate.demon.co.uk ([212.229.196.54] helo=juvenal) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Uhsi-0009Fn-0Y; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 03:20:28 +0000 Received: from localhost by dinoflagellate.demon.co.uk via sendmail with smtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:58:34 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:58:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Helen McCall Reply-To: Helen McCall To: simond@irrelevant.org Cc: FreeBSD Users Group list , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ispsetup (was: Re: FreeBSD in Dixons) In-Reply-To: <20000313100627.A45351@irrelevant.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Simon, On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 simond@irrelevant.org wrote: > Also, will there be any support for those ISPs (ie most UK ones) which have > more than one dialup access number. This is a very valid point. Demon has several different modem systems on different "Romps" so that you can connect your V90 modem to the best match. If you pick the wrong romp for your modem (even when you have V90 at both ends) you will get very poor speeds. Unless someone has a large database of modem specifications, along with the specs of the relevant Manufacturers' ROM patches, you would need to test the connection on each romp to determine the most suitable. Best wishes, Helen McCall E-Mail: helen@dinoflagellate.demon.co.uk Tel: 01752 342675 Fax: 08700 525850 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 13 21:34:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.internet.dk (ns.internet.dk [194.19.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123F937B532 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:34:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ns.internet.dk (8.9.2/8.9.3) with UUCP id GAA02186 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:34:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: from gina (gina.neland.dk [192.168.0.14]) by arnold.neland.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA46212 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:21:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Message-ID: <010f01bf8d42$efda91e0$0e00a8c0@neland.dk> Reply-To: "Leif Neland" From: "Leif Neland" To: Subject: Is passwords send to auth webpages secure? Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:13:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have set a squid proxy to use samba_auth (When somebody is trying to = use the proxyserver, they are presented with a normal browser-popup, and = are prompted for a login/password. This is their NT-login/passwd, and if = they are allowed to read a file on the NT with this login/pwd, they are = granted access to the squid proxy). Now I have been asked if the passwords from browser to squid is sent in = cleartext, so it can be sniffed? If so, this is an argument to get swiches instead of hubs... Leif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 13 21:39:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.tcworks.net (ns.tcworks.net [216.61.218.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D295337B5D8 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:39:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Received: from tcworks.net (xcess@stuck.sticky.org [216.61.218.6]) by ns.tcworks.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA65632; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:36:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Message-ID: <38CDD173.EEB690BD@tcworks.net> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:43:15 -0600 From: Chris Cook X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leif Neland Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is passwords send to auth webpages secure? References: <010f01bf8d42$efda91e0$0e00a8c0@neland.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Leif Neland wrote: > > > Now I have been asked if the passwords from browser to squid is sent in cleartext, so it can be sniffed? I have tried sniffing passwords like this before as a test, and they always showed up as scrambled (unreadable). I am assuming that my browser (Netscape 4.6/FreeBSD) was using some sort of mild encryption to send the username/login. More info on this would be neat, but you should invest in some switches anyways. Hasto... -- Chris o----< ccook@tcworks.net >----------------------------------------o |Chris Cook - Technician | TCWORKS.NET - http://www.tcworks.net | |The Computer Works | FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org | o-----------------------------------------------------------------o To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 13 22: 7:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from vampire.gothic.net.au (vampire.gothic.net.au [202.182.72.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F069937B6EA for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:07:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sean@gothic.net.au) Received: by vampire.gothic.net.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E1706A88B; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:07:04 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vampire.gothic.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA35E3883; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:07:04 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:07:04 +1100 (EST) From: Sean Winn To: Chris Cook Cc: Leif Neland , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is passwords send to auth webpages secure? In-Reply-To: <38CDD173.EEB690BD@tcworks.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Chris Cook wrote: > Leif Neland wrote: > > > > > > Now I have been asked if the passwords from browser to squid is sent in > > cleartext, so it can be sniffed? > > I have tried sniffing passwords like this before as a test, and they > always showed up as scrambled (unreadable). I am assuming that my > browser (Netscape 4.6/FreeBSD) was using some sort of mild encryption to > send the username/login. More info on this would be neat, but you > should invest in some switches anyways. Hasto... Basic authentication is base-64 encoded, which isn't exactly difficult to descrypt. Effectively it's cleartext. NTLM authentication uses challenge/response, but squid doesn't support that (there were old patches for it available, but they were a work in progress, and not ready for real use); the only browsers/proxies I know of that support it are IE and MS-Proxy; I expect FrontPage when functioning as a web client would support it as well. > > -- > Chris > > o----< ccook@tcworks.net >----------------------------------------o > |Chris Cook - Technician | TCWORKS.NET - http://www.tcworks.net | > |The Computer Works | FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org | > o-----------------------------------------------------------------o > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > -- Sean Winn email: sean@gothic.net.au All opinions valued at $0.02, and not subject to inflation. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 2: 1:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tigger.key.co.za (tigger.key.co.za [196.2.147.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844CF37B747 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 02:01:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@tigger.key.co.za) Received: from peter (helo=localhost) by tigger.key.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Uo8j-0000bm-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:01:25 +0200 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:01:25 +0200 (SAST) From: Peter Lockhart To: isp@freebsd.org Cc: Andre Bruton Subject: Mylex AcceleRAID 150 v 250 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It seems Mylex has worldwide shortage of their AcceleRAID 250 controllers owing to a shortage of Intels i960 chipset or some such problem. I need to get a new server up asap. Anyway, I have been offered the option of the AcceleRAID 150 immediately as a possible alternative to an indefinate wait for a 250. The only (reported) differences being the 250 has a 66MhZ processor and 8MB RAM, while the 150 has a 33MHz processor and 4MB RAM. The saving is minimal (+/- $150 cheaper) - but time is of the essence. Now, this machine is going to be doing web serving primarily, apache and mysql for db-driven websites. It hosts a few mailboxes as well. Its going to be setup in a RAID0+1 setup, 4X9G Cheetahs. Based on this stated intended usage , is going for a 150 really going to impede performance or would I be better holding out for the 250 ? Thanks in advance for the help ! Cheers Peter Lockhart To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 3:25: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (PacHell.TelcoSucks.org [207.90.181.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7311337B729 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 03:25:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id DAA84114; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 03:24:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 03:23:57 -0800 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: Peter Lockhart Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, Andre Bruton Subject: Re: Mylex AcceleRAID 150 v 250 Message-ID: <20000314032357.B74343@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org> Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from peter@key.co.za on Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 12:01:25PM +0200 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 12:01:25PM +0200, Peter Lockhart wrote: > It seems Mylex has worldwide shortage of their AcceleRAID 250 controllers > owing to a shortage of Intels i960 chipset or some such problem. > I need to get a new server up asap. > > Anyway, I have been offered the option of the AcceleRAID 150 immediately > as a possible alternative to an indefinate wait for a 250. > > The only (reported) differences being the 250 has a 66MhZ processor and > 8MB RAM, while the 150 has a 33MHz processor and 4MB RAM. > The saving is minimal (+/- $150 cheaper) - but time is of the essence. Other difference is also that the 150 does the XOR on the cpu, while the 250 has an ASIC for that. Last time I checked www.hypermicro.com had the 250 with 16MB oem whitebox in stock for $399.95 > > Now, this machine is going to be doing web serving primarily, apache and > mysql for db-driven websites. It hosts a few mailboxes as well. > Its going to be setup in a RAID0+1 setup, 4X9G Cheetahs. > > Based on this stated intended usage , is going for a 150 really going to > impede performance or would I be better holding out for the 250 ? > > Thanks in advance for the help ! > > Cheers > > Peter Lockhart > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 6: 4:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dc.ispro.net (c14pc21.dc.turkuamk.fi [193.166.135.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A62E37B616 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:04:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yurtesen@dc.ispro.net) Received: from localhost (yurtesen@localhost) by dc.ispro.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA80024 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:04:20 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from yurtesen@dc.ispro.net) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:04:20 +0200 (EET) From: Evren Yurtesen X-Sender: yurtesen@localhost To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: ssh with key authentication+shosts file? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, When I set ssh2 to use public / private key pair authentication then I am not able to use .shosts file or shosts.equiv file. How can I use both of them at the same time? Evren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 6:53:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from redbox.venux.net (redbox.venux.net [216.47.238.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC73B37B63A for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:53:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mitch@venux.net) Received: from inky (inky.venux.net [216.47.238.64]) by redbox.venux.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 097992E20B for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:41:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <011501bf8dc5$65ef0460$40ee2fd8@venux.net> From: "Mitch Vincent" To: Subject: Jordon Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:55:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I saw on slashdot the other day where the FreeBSD 4 release was suppose to happen "Very soon" -- with other comments liike " FreeBSD 4 should go gold on March 13th", I see now that it hasn't happened but wondered if perhaps that has been a date set? I've got a nice box waiting for the 4.0, we're going to have to install RC3 if the stable 4.0 isn't released soon.. Thanks!! - Mitch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 7: 8:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [212.74.0.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E4037B63A for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:08:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@florence.pavilion.net) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) id PAA27038; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:08:44 GMT (envelope-from joe) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:08:42 +0000 From: Josef Karthauser To: Mitch Vincent Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Jordon Message-ID: <20000314150841.Q2878@florence.pavilion.net> References: <011501bf8dc5$65ef0460$40ee2fd8@venux.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <011501bf8dc5$65ef0460$40ee2fd8@venux.net> X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, Lees House, 21-23 Dyke Road, Brighton, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 09:55:54AM -0500, Mitch Vincent wrote: > I saw on slashdot the other day where the FreeBSD 4 release was suppose to > happen "Very soon" -- with other comments liike " > FreeBSD 4 should go gold on March 13th", I see now that it hasn't happened > but wondered if perhaps that has been a date set? > > I've got a nice box waiting for the 4.0, we're going to have to install RC3 > if the stable 4.0 isn't released soon.. The tag's gone down. Use cvsup to track RELENG_4_0_0_RELEASE :) Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: Take the red pill and we'll show you just how Technical Manager deep the rabbit hole goes. (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 8:42:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.freebsd.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4281C37B707; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:42:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (tun.AwfulHak.org [194.242.139.173] (may be forged)) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18292; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:42:01 GMT (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05225; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:41:59 GMT (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200003141641.QAA05225@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Joe Abley Cc: Dominic Mitchell , Brian Somers , Nik Clayton , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: ispsetup (was: Re: FreeBSD in Dixons) In-Reply-To: Message from Joe Abley of "Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:31:58 +1300." <20000313223154.A31177@patho.gen.nz> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:41:54 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 08:16:40AM +0000, Dominic Mitchell wrote: > > > There are complications in selecting which number to dial, too. > > > For example, here in NZ: > > > > [snip] > > > > > I see in the Demon example you used 0845, which is cheating :) I'm > > > not sure a totally generic solution is even possible, but it'd be > > > nice to be flexible. > > > > Well, I'm sure a gfeneric solution is possible; I do actually like the > > idea of the "dialling locations" feature in win95. However, for the > > moment, I think it's best to just put a reminder in the program stating > > that the configuration assumes a national phone number and no pabx (edit > > if required). We can then revisit this area when we have some more > > functionality in place. > > I think the existence of a national number is the exception rather than > the rule, although I appreciate things might be a little different in > the UK. > > How about extending your directory structure to: > > .../isp/COUNTRY/REGION/ISP/ > > where COUNTRY is an iso3166 country code, and REGION is either a > string representing a local calling area or some other obvious > country-specific string like "national". Wouldn't .../isp/COUNTRY/REGION be better, where you'd have something like .../isp/demon .../isp/uk/demon .../isp/nl/demon .../isp/uk/london/demon The 0845 numbers could then appear in the isp/uk/demon file and the 0171 numbers in the london one etc, and things could default as appropriate (if .nl have one global number, it can be put at that level rather than being repeated for various regions that may have other region-specific stuff). > See attached example -- note that I haven't changed your scripts; I've > just added an extra layer of directories. Haven't looked at you next mail yet :-) > Joe -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 8:43:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.freebsd.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEBFA37B63F; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:43:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (tun.AwfulHak.org [194.242.139.173] (may be forged)) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18310; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:43:47 GMT (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05337; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:43:45 GMT (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200003141643.QAA05337@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: simond@irrelevant.org Cc: Brian Somers , Nik Clayton , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: ispsetup (was: Re: FreeBSD in Dixons) In-Reply-To: Message from simond@irrelevant.org of "Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:06:27 GMT." <20000313100627.A45351@irrelevant.org> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:43:45 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Also, will there be any support for those ISPs (ie most UK ones) which have > more than one dialup access number. I think there'll probably have to be - some sort of dialogue screen that gives you the opportunity for supplying a local area code, a dial prefix and a list of numbers that can be used. > -- > Simon Dick simond@irrelevant.org -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 8:44:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.freebsd.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A6D37B77D; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:44:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (tun.AwfulHak.org [194.242.139.173] (may be forged)) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18318; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:44:28 GMT (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05350; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:44:26 GMT (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200003141644.QAA05350@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: simond@irrelevant.org Cc: Stanley Westerveld , Brian Somers , Nik Clayton , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: ispsetup (was: Re: FreeBSD in Dixons) In-Reply-To: Message from simond@irrelevant.org of "Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:17:52 GMT." <20000313101752.B45351@irrelevant.org> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:44:26 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 11:13:36AM +0100, Stanley Westerveld wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 simond@irrelevant.org wrote: > > > > > Hmm, I was sure that Demon do provide the DNS servers during IPCP, I remember > > > using that when I used to have my demon dialup account... > > > > In The Netherlands we do, and since our systems are very much the same as > > the UK ones (I presume you are talking about the UK here), my guess would > > be that the UK does the same. > > I know, I used to work for Demon UK, which is why I'm certain it worked :) Well, sounds like I'm talking rubbish then :OD I based my assumption on having set up a profile for a friend that makes up the DNSs (I still remember them from when I had a Demon account years ago). I reckoned there must have been a reason for hard-coding them - wrongly from the looks of it. > -- > Simon Dick simond@irrelevant.org -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 9: 2:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.originative.co.uk (mailgate.originative.co.uk [194.217.50.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A2C37B729; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:02:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@originative.co.uk) Received: from originative.co.uk (lobster.originative.co.uk [194.217.50.241]) by mail.originative.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4261D131; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:02:06 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <38CE708E.10FA1F80@originative.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:02:06 +0000 From: Paul Richards Organization: Originative Solutions Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Somers Cc: Joe Abley , Dominic Mitchell , Nik Clayton , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ispsetup (was: Re: FreeBSD in Dixons) References: <200003140850.IAA00468@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brian Somers wrote: > lots snipped > Wouldn't .../isp/COUNTRY/REGION be better, where you'd have something > like > > .../isp/demon > .../isp/uk/demon > .../isp/nl/demon > .../isp/uk/london/demon > > The 0845 numbers could then appear in the isp/uk/demon file and the > 0171 numbers in the london one etc, and things could default as > appropriate (if .nl have one global number, it can be put at that > level rather than being repeated for various regions that may have > other region-specific stuff). I think it would be better to keep ISP information bundled together so that third-party contibutors, such as the ISP themselves can easily submit updated information. i.e. isp/demon isp/demon/uk isp/demon/nl With the changing landscape of the FreeBSD world its possible that ISPs could be persuaded to provide configuration details for FreeBSD. I'm sure Pavilion, for example, would be willing to provide a configuration bundle for FreeBSD to its customers :-) If we separate ISP information then updating details when an ISP changes their setup is a lot messier and they won't be able to bundle configuration files themselves. ISPs change their numbers a lot more often than countries do, sort of by default since if a country changes its details then so does the ISP, but ISPs may change their phone numbers for other reasons as well. You could add in a isp/defaults/home isp/defaults/work that did some of the things that Windows locations did, such as hold pbx codes. Paul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 9:10:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from naiad.eclipse.net.uk (naiad.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD8037B774; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:10:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sthen@naiad.eclipse.net.uk) Received: by naiad.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix, from userid 475) id 4432A136E8; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:10:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:10:25 +0000 From: Stuart Henderson To: Paul Richards Cc: Brian Somers , Joe Abley , Dominic Mitchell , Nik Clayton , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ispsetup (was: Re: FreeBSD in Dixons) Message-ID: <20000314171025.U49909@naiad.eclipse.net.uk> References: <200003140850.IAA00468@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> <38CE708E.10FA1F80@originative.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.2i In-Reply-To: <38CE708E.10FA1F80@originative.co.uk>; from paul@originative.co.uk on Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 05:02:06PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 05:02:06PM +0000, Paul Richards wrote: > > With the changing landscape of the FreeBSD world its possible that ISPs > could be persuaded to provide configuration details for FreeBSD. I'm > sure Pavilion, for example, would be willing to provide a configuration > bundle for FreeBSD to its customers :-) It would of course be nice to have preferential treatment for FreeBSD-friendly ISPs :) but wouldn't it be more generally applicable to be able to read config info from M$ compatible signup servers? ...taking "embrace and extend" in a whole new direction To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 9:16:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bumper.jellybaby.net (bumper.jellybaby.net [194.159.247.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6C737B846; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:16:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simond@bumper.jellybaby.net) Received: (from simond@localhost) by bumper.jellybaby.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id RAA02261; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:15:50 GMT (envelope-from simond) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:15:50 +0000 From: simond@irrelevant.org To: Stuart Henderson Cc: Paul Richards , Brian Somers , Joe Abley , Dominic Mitchell , Nik Clayton , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ispsetup (was: Re: FreeBSD in Dixons) Message-ID: <20000314171550.F89351@irrelevant.org> References: <200003140850.IAA00468@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> <38CE708E.10FA1F80@originative.co.uk> <20000314171025.U49909@naiad.eclipse.net.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000314171025.U49909@naiad.eclipse.net.uk>; from sthen@naiad.eclipse.net.uk on Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 05:10:25PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 05:10:25PM +0000, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 05:02:06PM +0000, Paul Richards wrote: > > > > With the changing landscape of the FreeBSD world its possible that ISPs > > could be persuaded to provide configuration details for FreeBSD. I'm > > sure Pavilion, for example, would be willing to provide a configuration > > bundle for FreeBSD to its customers :-) > > It would of course be nice to have preferential treatment > for FreeBSD-friendly ISPs :) but wouldn't it be more generally > applicable to be able to read config info from M$ compatible > signup servers? Hmm, wouldn't have thought it would be hard to use windows .INS files, perhaps have a "Import" function on the setup program too which changes them into whatever native format gets decided on? -- Simon Dick simond@irrelevant.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 9:41:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from spassmobil.saargate.de (spassmobil.saargate.de [212.88.130.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D8F37B77D; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:41:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from domi@saargate.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spassmobil.saargate.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02048; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:39:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from domi@saargate.de) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:39:59 +0100 (CET) From: Dominik Brettnacher X-Sender: domi@localhost To: "paul@originative.co.uk" Cc: brian@awfulhak.org, jabley@patho.gen.nz, dom@happygiraffe.net, nik@freebsd.org, lee@uk.freebsd.org, freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.awfulhak.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ispsetup (was: Re: FreeBSD in Dixons) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, paul@originative.co.uk wrote: > I think it would be better to keep ISP information bundled together so > that third-party contibutors, such as the ISP themselves can easily > submit updated information. > > i.e. > > isp/demon > isp/demon/uk > isp/demon/nl I think you could do both by using symbolical links. Something like CPAN with their "by-name", "by-author" and "by-module"-structure. -- Dominik - http://www.brettnacher.org/users/dominik/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 10: 3:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.internet.dk (ns.internet.dk [194.19.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADC237B7DE for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:03:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ns.internet.dk (8.9.2/8.9.3) with UUCP id TAA23189 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:03:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: from gina (gina.neland.dk [192.168.0.14]) by arnold.neland.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA47061 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:02:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Message-ID: <018101bf8ddf$91667e60$0e00a8c0@neland.dk> Reply-To: "Leif Neland" From: "Leif Neland" To: Subject: 460-status-mail-rejects Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:02:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'd like to see the reason why the mail was rejected, not just the = domainname. I'm not fluent not in regexp's to decode this: zcat -fc /var/log/mail.log.0* /var/log/mail.log | grep reject=3D | perl -ne "print \"\$2\n\" if = /^$start.*ruleset=3Dcheck_\S+,\s+arg1=3D(<[^@]+@)?([^>,]+).*reject=3D/o;"= | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr Mar 14 18:45:24 smtp sendmail[10098]: SAA10098: ruleset=3Dcheck_mail, = arg1=3D, relay=3Dyoro1.yoroz.co.jp [210.196.67.114], = reject=3D501 ... Sender domain must exist Why is it "$2"? Leif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 10:32:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from b-ainc.com (cs9344-170.austin.rr.com [24.93.44.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DCF637B711 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:32:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsdlist@b-ainc.com) Received: from jbender (jbender.b-ainc.com [10.1.1.8]) by b-ainc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA35334; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:33:21 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000314123153.041bb100@b-ainc.com> X-Sender: freebsdlist@b-ainc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:31:53 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: FreeBSD List recipient Subject: Re: 460-status-mail-rejects Cc: "Leif Neland" In-Reply-To: <018101bf8ddf$91667e60$0e00a8c0@neland.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It looks like the mail was rejected because the domain jnmklj.net does not exist, sendmail by default rejects mail when the domain name given by the sender will not resolve. By the way, the sender domain appears very similar to the domains used on a lot of the spam mail I have been receiving lately, most likely your system trashed a bit of unsolicited commercial email. *btw, yoro1.yoroz.co.jp appears to be an open relay, if anyone cares. As for the lines from the daily script, i'm at a loss on that one too. Hope it helps, Jeremy Bender jbender@b-ainc.com At 07:02 PM 3/14/00 +0100, you wrote: >I'd like to see the reason why the mail was rejected, not just the domainname. > >I'm not fluent not in regexp's to decode this: > > zcat -fc /var/log/mail.log.0* /var/log/mail.log | grep reject= | > perl -ne "print \"\$2\n\" > if /^$start.*ruleset=check_\S+,\s+arg1=(<[^@]+@)?([^>,]+).*reject=/o;" | > sort | uniq -c | sort -nr > >Mar 14 18:45:24 smtp sendmail[10098]: SAA10098: ruleset=check_mail, arg1=, relay=yoro1.yoroz.co.jp [210.196.67.114], reject=501 ... Sender domain must exist > >Why is it "$2"? > >Leif > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 10:36:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-relay.ahnet.net (ns3.affinity.net [207.213.224.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D1237B5C9 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:36:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sumbry@affinity.net) Received: from sql (sql.ahnet.net [207.213.224.10]) by smtp-relay.ahnet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA6A9971; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:37:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:36:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Sumbry][" X-Sender: sumbry@sql.ahnet.net To: Mitch Vincent Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Jordon In-Reply-To: <011501bf8dc5$65ef0460$40ee2fd8@venux.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I saw on slashdot the other day where the FreeBSD 4 release was suppose to > happen "Very soon" -- with other comments liike " > FreeBSD 4 should go gold on March 13th", I see now that it hasn't happened > but wondered if perhaps that has been a date set? > > I've got a nice box waiting for the 4.0, we're going to have to install RC3 > if the stable 4.0 isn't released soon.. From my understanding it's already happened, cept that it's a RELEASE version, and not stable. I've always run STABLE on my production servers, but what are the drawbacks to running a RELEASE? ----- Sumbry][ | Affinity Hosting | http://affinity.net | sumbry@affinity.net "Never trust a skinny cook." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 11:28:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from richard2.pil.net (richard2.pil.net [207.8.164.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CEB3437B7EB for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:28:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from up@3.am) Received: (qmail 20453 invoked by uid 1825); 14 Mar 2000 19:28:09 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Mar 2000 19:28:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:28:09 -0500 (EST) From: X-Sender: up@richard2.pil.net To: "Sumbry][" Cc: Mitch Vincent , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Jordon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Sumbry][ wrote: > > I saw on slashdot the other day where the FreeBSD 4 release was suppose to > > happen "Very soon" -- with other comments liike " > > FreeBSD 4 should go gold on March 13th", I see now that it hasn't happened > > but wondered if perhaps that has been a date set? > > > > I've got a nice box waiting for the 4.0, we're going to have to install RC3 > > if the stable 4.0 isn't released soon.. > > From my understanding it's already happened, cept that it's a RELEASE > version, and not stable. Then why does the website still advertise 3.4 with virtually no mention of 4.0 on the Walnut Creek home page? I just placed an order for 4.0; but it's on backorder with no ETA. > I've always run STABLE on my production servers, but what are the > drawbacks to running a RELEASE? AFAIK, RELEASE is just a snapshot of STABLE. IOW, STABLE is the most up-to-date version of the release, and hence isn't available on CDROM. James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ========================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 13: 8:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F245E37B742 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:08:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA02261; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:07:56 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-82.max1.wa.cyberlynk.net(207.227.118.82) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma002259; Tue Mar 14 15:07:44 2000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20000314144112.00ba3180@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:05:20 -0600 To: , "Sumbry][" From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Jordon Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:28 PM 3/14/00 -0500, up@3.am replied to: >On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Sumbry][ wrote: > > > From my understanding it's already happened, cept that it's a RELEASE > > version, and not stable. > >Then why does the website still advertise 3.4 with virtually no mention of >4.0 on the Walnut Creek home page? I just placed an order for 4.0; but >it's on backorder with no ETA. Patience. The elves are still working on it, which you *should* know if you were tracking current and CVS. > > I've always run STABLE on my production servers, but what are the > > drawbacks to running a RELEASE? > >AFAIK, RELEASE is just a snapshot of STABLE. IOW, STABLE is the most >up-to-date version of the release, and hence isn't available on CDROM. In general I start with the latest release and then cvsup to the -stable version. Doing fresh, binary updates ensures that no cruft is left around from prior releases. Makes for smaller cvsup logs to scan if there is a problem. With a spare server or drive upgrades are a swap away. Releases do not have any of the latest fixes or improvements. Generally after a release is cut there are fixes to minor problems during 2 weeks after, which is my opinion based on past experience. So far 4.0 has been rather unique with a longer feature freeze and is undergoing more polishing before the CD is sent to production. Wonder if the ISO is going to be available for a day or three before being sent off. Would be nice to see that the ISO and FTP files are the same, which of course means that nothing managed to sneak by and Jordan met his goal. 8^) Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 13:45:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.internet.dk (ns.internet.dk [194.19.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1F437B80A for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:45:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ns.internet.dk (8.9.2/8.9.3) with UUCP id WAA29426; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:45:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: from gina (gina.neland.dk [192.168.0.14]) by arnold.neland.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA93226; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:45:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Message-ID: <004101bf8dfe$a247fe60$0e00a8c0@neland.dk> Reply-To: "Leif Neland" From: "Leif Neland" To: "FreeBSD List recipient" Cc: References: <3.0.5.32.20000314123153.041bb100@b-ainc.com> Subject: Re: 460-status-mail-rejects Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:44:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I didn't phrase my question correctly, it seems. While I can scan the log and read the reason for the rejects, I'd like = the reason listed in the daily mail. Instead of just: 129 mail.spam.org 84 fsjdsae.dsds.tw I'd like 129 mail.spam.org 551 Blocked by rrs 84 fjsdsae.dsds.tw 501 Domain must exist Why should I have to scan through the log, when the machine already has = scanned it, but just not extracted enough information? It tells me which hosts I should just ignore, and which hosts I should = check. Eg sometimes the relaying server has been fixed, but the admin = has not reported it to mail-abuse.org, so it is still listed. Leif =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "FreeBSD List recipient" To: Cc: "Leif Neland" Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 7:31 PM Subject: Re: 460-status-mail-rejects > It looks like the mail was rejected because the domain jnmklj.net does = not > exist, sendmail by default rejects mail when the domain name given by = the > sender will not resolve. By the way, the sender domain appears very > similar to the domains used on a lot of the spam mail I have been = receiving > lately, most likely your system trashed a bit of unsolicited = commercial > email. *btw, yoro1.yoroz.co.jp appears to be an open relay, if anyone > cares. As for the lines from the daily script, i'm at a loss on that = one > too. =20 >=20 > Hope it helps, >=20 > Jeremy Bender > jbender@b-ainc.com >=20 > At 07:02 PM 3/14/00 +0100, you wrote: > >I'd like to see the reason why the mail was rejected, not just the > domainname. > > > >I'm not fluent not in regexp's to decode this: > > > > zcat -fc /var/log/mail.log.0* /var/log/mail.log | grep reject=3D | > > perl -ne "print \"\$2\n\" > > if > = /^$start.*ruleset=3Dcheck_\S+,\s+arg1=3D(<[^@]+@)?([^>,]+).*reject=3D/o;"= | > > sort | uniq -c | sort -nr > > > >Mar 14 18:45:24 smtp sendmail[10098]: SAA10098: ruleset=3Dcheck_mail, > arg1=3D, relay=3Dyoro1.yoroz.co.jp [210.196.67.114], > reject=3D501 ... Sender domain must exist > > > >Why is it "$2"? > > > >Leif > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 13:48: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.alpha.net.au (mail2.alpha.net.au [203.41.44.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C33F37B773 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:47:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyh@idx.com.au) Received: from freebsd.freebsd.org (surry-pool-164.alpha.net.au [203.41.44.164] (may be forged)) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA21314; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:48:05 +1100 From: Danny To: "Leif Neland" , "Leif Neland" , Subject: Re: Is passwords send to auth webpages secure? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:49:41 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: <010f01bf8d42$efda91e0$0e00a8c0@neland.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00031608504402.00323@freebsd.freebsd.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The tool for the job like NIS or Kerbros?? Looking forward to your feedback. dannyh dannyh@idx.com.au On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Leif Neland wrote: > I have set a squid proxy to use samba_auth (When somebody is trying to use the proxyserver, they are presented with a normal browser-popup, and are prompted for a login/password. This is their NT-login/passwd, and if they are allowed to read a file on the NT with this login/pwd, they are granted access to the squid proxy). > > Now I have been asked if the passwords from browser to squid is sent in cleartext, so it can be sniffed? > > If so, this is an argument to get swiches instead of hubs... > > Leif > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 15:17:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.internet.dk (ns.internet.dk [194.19.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3F837B859 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:17:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ns.internet.dk (8.9.2/8.9.3) with UUCP id AAA31934 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:17:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arnold.neland.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13088; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:17:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:17:10 +0100 (CET) From: Leif Neland To: Leif Neland Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 460-status-mail-rejects In-Reply-To: <018101bf8ddf$91667e60$0e00a8c0@neland.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello myself! I rtfm, and made this: perl -ne "print \"\$1 \$2 \$3 \n\" if /^$start.*ruleset=check_\S+,\s+arg1=(<[^@]+@)?([^>,]+).*reject=.*( .*$)/o;" This prints the username before @, and the last word of the line. This gives this result: Checking for rejected mail hosts: 17 c126.h202052094.is.net.tw http://mail-abuse.org/rss (Blocked by rss) 15 I'd like to see the reason why the mail was rejected, not just the domainname. > > I'm not fluent not in regexp's to decode this: > > zcat -fc /var/log/mail.log.0* /var/log/mail.log | grep reject= | > perl -ne "print \"\$2\n\" > if /^$start.*ruleset=check_\S+,\s+arg1=(<[^@]+@)?([^>,]+).*reject=/o;" | > sort | uniq -c | sort -nr > > Mar 14 18:45:24 smtp sendmail[10098]: SAA10098: ruleset=check_mail, arg1=, relay=yoro1.yoroz.co.jp [210.196.67.114], reject=501 ... Sender domain must exist > > Why is it "$2"? > > Leif > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 16:50:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tardis.patho.gen.nz (tardis.patho.gen.nz [203.97.2.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C97137B87F; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:50:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jabley@tardis.patho.gen.nz) Received: (from jabley@localhost) by tardis.patho.gen.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21693; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:49:59 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:49:57 +1300 From: Joe Abley To: Paul Richards Cc: Brian Somers , Dominic Mitchell , Nik Clayton , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ispsetup (was: Re: FreeBSD in Dixons) Message-ID: <20000315134951.D31618@patho.gen.nz> References: <200003140850.IAA00468@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> <38CE708E.10FA1F80@originative.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <38CE708E.10FA1F80@originative.co.uk>; from paul@originative.co.uk on Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 05:02:06PM +0000 X-Files: the Truth is Out There Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 05:02:06PM +0000, Paul Richards wrote: > I think it would be better to keep ISP information bundled together so > that third-party contibutors, such as the ISP themselves can easily > submit updated information. > > i.e. > > isp/demon > isp/demon/uk > isp/demon/nl Of course, if you do that you end up with a single .../isp/ directory with as many entries as there are ISPs in the world :) From a user's point of view, I think COUNTRY/REGION/ISP makes more sense. I can go quickly and easily to nz/Auckland and look at what ISP configs are available. In your example, I potentially have to look through fifty thousand ISPs to find out which have a POP in Auckland :) Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 19:27:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996E337B89B for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:27:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from slave (doug@slave [10.0.0.1]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA94876; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:27:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:27:24 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Barton X-Sender: doug@dt051n0b.san.rr.com To: Leif Neland Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 460-status-mail-rejects In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Leif Neland wrote: > Hello myself! > > I rtfm, and made this: > perl -ne "print \"\$1 \$2 \$3 \n\" > if > /^$start.*ruleset=check_\S+,\s+arg1=(<[^@]+@)?([^>,]+).*reject=.*( .*$)/o;" > > This prints the username before @, and the last word of the line. > This gives this result: This is excellent work. Please make a patch and submit this as a PR asap. I can't imagine it not being committed... Doug -- "Welcome to the desert of the real." - Laurence Fishburne as Morpheus, "The Matrix" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 14 21:12:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.westbend.net (ns1.westbend.net [209.224.254.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1970137B7C6 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:12:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Received: from admin (admin.westbend.net [209.224.254.141]) by mail.westbend.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA14931; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:11:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Message-ID: <01f301bf8e3d$035f7500$8dfee0d1@westbend.net> From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: Cc: "Matthew N. Dodd" , "Dan Langille" References: Subject: Apache 1.3 Server/Module ports (Re: FrontPage extensions on Apache ) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:11:58 -0600 Organization: West Bend Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have finished the mod_frontpage module port for Apache 1.3.12. It was a simple process of adding the frontpage patches into the EAPI enabled Apache port and using axps to build and install the frontpage module. Axps also created the appropriate Add/LoadModule entries into the apache.conf file. I didn't create a seperate apache.conf.mod_frontpage config file, because during the installation of the FrontPage Extentions, the script/fpsrvadm.exe checks AllowOverride directive in the apache.conf file and if it is set to "None", the FrontPage web will not be created during installation. But it will register the port in the ports database. Another change I made to the main Apache 1.3.12 port is the use of a virtual web for the Apache Documentation, and the installation of a single index.html file into the DocumentRoot (only if it doesn't exist). I also fixed the mod_ssl port so that it will now install the certificates and documentations. Currently, it doesn't allow you to generate a certificate from the port. The currently available Apache Server/Module ports are: Apache 1.3.12 mod_ssl mod_frontpage mod_php4 and are available from: http://www.westbend.net/~hetzels/mod_apache13.tgz - entire collection Give them a try and let me know how they work out for you. Scot W. Hetzel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 15 0:32: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8276F37B8C6; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:31:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dom@happygiraffe.net) Received: from myrddin.demon.co.uk ([158.152.54.180]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12V9DX-000OOp-0C; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:31:48 +0000 Received: by myrddin.demon.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D9E7C2312; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:31:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:31:22 +0000 To: Stuart Henderson Cc: Paul Richards , Brian Somers , Joe Abley , Dominic Mitchell , Nik Clayton , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ispsetup (was: Re: FreeBSD in Dixons) Message-ID: <20000315083103.A511@myrddin.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Stuart Henderson , Paul Richards , Brian Somers , Joe Abley , Dominic Mitchell , Nik Clayton , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org References: <200003140850.IAA00468@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> <38CE708E.10FA1F80@originative.co.uk> <20000314171025.U49909@naiad.eclipse.net.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <20000314171025.U49909@naiad.eclipse.net.uk>; from Stuart Henderson on Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 05:10:25PM +0000 From: dom@happygiraffe.net (Dominic Mitchell) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 05:10:25PM +0000, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 05:02:06PM +0000, Paul Richards wrote: > > > > With the changing landscape of the FreeBSD world its possible that ISPs > > could be persuaded to provide configuration details for FreeBSD. I'm > > sure Pavilion, for example, would be willing to provide a configuration > > bundle for FreeBSD to its customers :-) > > It would of course be nice to have preferential treatment > for FreeBSD-friendly ISPs :) but wouldn't it be more generally > applicable to be able to read config info from M$ compatible > signup servers? Is there any documentation about the format of them? > ...taking "embrace and extend" in a whole new direction Ho yus. -Dom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 15 0:32: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B82A937B900; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:31:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dom@happygiraffe.net) Received: from myrddin.demon.co.uk ([158.152.54.180]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12V9DX-000Jic-0V; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:31:48 +0000 Received: by myrddin.demon.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BDBA72160; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:31:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:31:03 +0000 To: Stuart Henderson Cc: Paul Richards , Brian Somers , Joe Abley , Dominic Mitchell , Nik Clayton , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ispsetup (was: Re: FreeBSD in Dixons) Message-ID: <20000315083103.A511@myrddin.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Stuart Henderson , Paul Richards , Brian Somers , Joe Abley , Dominic Mitchell , Nik Clayton , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org References: <200003140850.IAA00468@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> <38CE708E.10FA1F80@originative.co.uk> <20000314171025.U49909@naiad.eclipse.net.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <20000314171025.U49909@naiad.eclipse.net.uk>; from Stuart Henderson on Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 05:10:25PM +0000 From: dom@happygiraffe.net (Dominic Mitchell) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 05:10:25PM +0000, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 05:02:06PM +0000, Paul Richards wrote: > > > > With the changing landscape of the FreeBSD world its possible that ISPs > > could be persuaded to provide configuration details for FreeBSD. I'm > > sure Pavilion, for example, would be willing to provide a configuration > > bundle for FreeBSD to its customers :-) > > It would of course be nice to have preferential treatment > for FreeBSD-friendly ISPs :) but wouldn't it be more generally > applicable to be able to read config info from M$ compatible > signup servers? Is there any documentation about the format of them? > ...taking "embrace and extend" in a whole new direction Ho yus. -Dom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 15 0:46:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [212.74.0.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2778037B8C6; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:45:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@pavilion.net) Received: from genius.systems.pavilion.net (genius.systems.pavilion.net [212.74.1.100]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01519; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:45:03 GMT (envelope-from joe@pavilion.net) Received: by genius.systems.pavilion.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 9F6862AB; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:46:17 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:46:17 +0000 From: Joe Karthauser To: Stuart Henderson , Paul Richards , Brian Somers , Joe Abley , Dominic Mitchell , Nik Clayton , Lee Johnston , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ispsetup (was: Re: FreeBSD in Dixons) Message-ID: <20000315084617.A4785@genius.systems.pavilion.net> References: <200003140850.IAA00468@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> <38CE708E.10FA1F80@originative.co.uk> <20000314171025.U49909@naiad.eclipse.net.uk> <20000315083103.A511@myrddin.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000315083103.A511@myrddin.demon.co.uk>; from dom@happygiraffe.net on Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 08:31:22AM +0000 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, Lees House, 21-23 Dyke Road, Brighton, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 08:31:22AM +0000, Dominic Mitchell wrote: > > > > It would of course be nice to have preferential treatment > > for FreeBSD-friendly ISPs :) but wouldn't it be more generally > > applicable to be able to read config info from M$ compatible > > signup servers? > > Is there any documentation about the format of them? Yes, but it's pants! Don't worry about M$ compatible servers - how are you going to find them? Most of the time the telephone numbers are hard burnt into CDs and not meant for public consumption. For those that don't know the M$ signup mechanism consists of a web mechanism that collects inforation from the user (using html forms, or whatever the browser can support). Ultimately the server sends the user a file with a mime type of 'application/x-internet-signup'. 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NumFiles=6 2=WELLASIG.GIF 3=CANCEL.INS 4=SIGNUP.HTM 5=WELLALO1.GIF 6=WELLEXIT.GIF [Ie3inst] Type=1 License=1 Option1=Internet Mail ExecOption1=mailnews.exe ParamOption1=/Q:1 /R:N /N:G /C:"_isetup.exe /NGCONV /MAIL" SizeOption1=1960 GUIDOption1={44bba840-cc51-11cf-aafa-00aa00b6015c} UserSelOption1=1 NoNTOption1=0 Option2=Internet News ExecOption2=mailnews.exe ParamOption2=/Q:1 /R:N /N:G /C:"_isetup.exe /NGCONV /NEWS" SizeOption2=1960 GUIDOption2={44bba840-cc51-11cf-aafa-00aa00b6015c} UserSelOption2=1 NoNTOption2=0 Option3=NetMeeting ExecOption3=msnetmtg.exe ParamOption3=/Q:1 /R:N /N:G SizeOption3=4980 GUIDOption3={44bba842-cc51-11cf-aafa-00aa00b6015c} UserSelOption3=1 NoNTOption3=0 Option4=ActiveMovie ExecOption4=amovie.exe ParamOption4=/Q:1 /R:N /N:G /C:"amremove /setup_q" SizeOption4=635 GUIDOption4= UserSelOption4=1 NoNTOption4=0 Option5=HTML Layout Control ExecOption5=setupslt.exe ParamOption5=/Q:1 /R:N /N:G SizeOption5=2048 GUIDOption5= UserSelOption5=1 NoNTOption5=0 Option6=Microsoft Chat ExecOption6=cchat10.exe ParamOption6=/Q:1 /R:N /N:G SizeOption6=4250 GUIDOption6={44bba844-cc51-11cf-aafa-00aa00b6015c} UserSelOption6=1 NoNTOption6=0 UserSelect=1 [Big_Logo] Path= [Small_Logo] Path= [Channel Add] Category=0 [SWUpdates] SoftwareUpdates=0 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 15 6:12:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from richard2.pil.net (richard2.pil.net [207.8.164.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CF1E037B827 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:12:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from up@3.am) Received: (qmail 21568 invoked by uid 1825); 15 Mar 2000 14:12:08 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Mar 2000 14:12:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:12:08 -0500 (EST) From: X-Sender: up@richard2.pil.net To: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Java and FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a fairly large customer who's building a few sites using a custom designed Java-based web-chat interface. The server that those sites are currently on is a Sparc running Solaris for the time being. I told him of my intent to replace that server with a FreeBSD box and his developer is balking at the idea, to the point where I might lose the customer. I don't know from Java, but this person seems to think that FBSD is far behind Linux and the commercial OS's in this regard. I installed JDK 1.1.8 on my current FBSD 3.2-RELEASE box, and this new server's going to be running 4.0R when it ships. Any and all feedback or URLs of FreeBSD sites running Java server apps appreciated. TIA, James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ========================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 15 6:17:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gwu-financials.com (www.financials.gwu.edu [128.164.83.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D55537B99E for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:17:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rmatteson@gwu-financials.com) Received: by gwu-financials.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <1N5WKQ37>; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:17:25 -0500 Message-ID: <6149446EA697D2119AB80008C7B1A32A39FA6F@gwu-financials.com> From: Ryan Matteson To: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Mrtg Examples Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:17:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Does anyone have any good mrtg examples for graphing Cisco Hubs and > Switches? I > am most interested in collisions and bandwidth but am having issues > getting the > necessary OID's and graphs to look right. > > Thanks for any examples, > > Ryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 15 6:45:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (PacHell.TelcoSucks.org [207.90.181.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1390B37B9E0 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:45:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id GAA30224; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:45:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:45:10 -0800 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: Ryan Matteson Cc: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Mrtg Examples Message-ID: <20000315064510.D74343@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org> Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: <6149446EA697D2119AB80008C7B1A32A39FA6F@gwu-financials.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <6149446EA697D2119AB80008C7B1A32A39FA6F@gwu-financials.com>; from rmatteson@gwu-financials.com on Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 09:17:17AM -0500 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 09:17:17AM -0500, Ryan Matteson wrote: > > Does anyone have any good mrtg examples for graphing Cisco Hubs and > > Switches? I > > am most interested in collisions and bandwidth but am having issues > > getting the > > necessary OID's and graphs to look right. > > > > Thanks for any examples, > > > > Ryan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message I recommend to look at RRD and the front end Cricket. http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/ http://www.munitions.com/~jra/cricket/ MRTG has a hardtime without modifications to get all the information from SNMP to tell you for example which exact port you are monitoring (At least true for the Catalyst 4000, 5000, 6000 series, not true to the 2900XL series). -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 15 9:39:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from almazs.pacex.net (almazs.pacex.net [204.1.219.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E9B37BB3C for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:39:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danielb@pacex.net) Received: from almazs.pacex.net (almazs.pacex.net [204.1.219.156]) by almazs.pacex.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24134; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:39:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:39:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Dan B. " To: "Scot W. Hetzel" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, "Matthew N. Dodd" , Dan Langille Subject: Re: Apache 1.3 Server/Module ports (Re: FrontPage extensions on Apache ) In-Reply-To: <01f301bf8e3d$035f7500$8dfee0d1@westbend.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Scot W. Hetzel wrote: > I have finished the mod_frontpage module port for Apache 1.3.12. It was a > simple process of adding the frontpage patches into the EAPI enabled Apache > The currently available Apache Server/Module ports are: ... snip > > Apache 1.3.12 > mod_ssl > mod_frontpage > mod_php4 > > and are available from: > > http://www.westbend.net/~hetzels/mod_apache13.tgz - entire collection > Thanks alot!!! PEACE BE WITH YO MAN! Dan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 15 10: 4:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from postfix2.free.fr (postfix2.free.fr [212.27.32.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C59B37C49F; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:03:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stephane@libertysurf.fr) Received: from sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo (unknown [213.228.20.65]) by postfix2.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDF4743AE; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:03:39 +0100 (MET) Received: (from stephane@localhost) by sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03006; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:57:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from stephane) From: Stephane Legrand MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14543.53022.177024.302155@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:57:50 +0100 (CET) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: VALinux FullOn 2x2 with FreeBSD X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 8) "Bryce Canyon" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Does anyone know if the server VALinux FullOn 2x2 ("good" version : http://www.valinux.com/systems/productinfo.html?product=16#raid) can run with FreeBSD ? Every components of this server seem ok except for the RAID controler which is a Mylex AcceleRAID 150. On this web page (http://www.posi.net/freebsd/drivers/driver-info.phtml?ID=9), i read that this card should be supported on FreeBSD 4.x but also that it has never been tested with this special card. So, if someone has a good or bad experience with this server, please let me know. Or may be there is other equivalent servers to this one with "official" FreeBSD support ? Thank you. Stephane Legrand. -- Stephane.Legrand@bigfoot.com FreeBSD Francophone : http://www.freebsd-fr.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 15 10:30: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6162C37C4C0 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:28:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA49687; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:28:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:28:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: "Scot W. Hetzel" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, Dan Langille Subject: Re: Apache 1.3 Server/Module ports (Re: FrontPage extensions on Apache ) In-Reply-To: <01f301bf8e3d$035f7500$8dfee0d1@westbend.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Scot W. Hetzel wrote: > I have finished the mod_frontpage module port for Apache 1.3.12. It > was a simple process of adding the frontpage patches into the EAPI > enabled Apache port and using axps to build and install the frontpage > module. Humm... I suppose thats acceptable though I really wish the Frontpage module would DTRT instead of requiring patches. I hope you added the FP stuff to the end of the request structure rather than the middle like the MS patch does. > Axps also created the appropriate Add/LoadModule entries into the > apache.conf file. I still think its wrong to modify the apache.conf file; we should provide an apache.conf-default.MODNAME with example configuration stuff and let the user enable the stuff as they see fit. Messing with a possibly live configuration file is more objectionable than making the user edit the config file and set things up manually. > I didn't create a seperate apache.conf.mod_frontpage config file, because > during the installation of the FrontPage Extentions, the script/fpsrvadm.exe > checks AllowOverride directive in the apache.conf file and if it is set to > "None", the FrontPage web will not be created during installation. But it > will register the port in the ports database. Thats kinda lame. Can the script be 'fixed' to DTRT? > Another change I made to the main Apache 1.3.12 port is the use of a virtual > web for the Apache Documentation, and the installation of a single > index.html file into the DocumentRoot (only if it doesn't exist). > > I also fixed the mod_ssl port so that it will now install the certificates > and documentations. Currently, it doesn't allow you to generate a > certificate from the port. Yea, I was kinda trying to figure out how to install the certificates without having the Apache source tree present. I'll have to see how you did it. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 15 10:37:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF81337C1AB for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:31:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA49732; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:31:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:31:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: "Scot W. Hetzel" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, Dan Langille Subject: Re: Apache 1.3 Server/Module ports (Re: FrontPage extensions on Apache ) In-Reply-To: <01f301bf8e3d$035f7500$8dfee0d1@westbend.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Scot W. Hetzel wrote: > The currently available Apache Server/Module ports are: > > Apache 1.3.12 > mod_ssl > mod_frontpage > mod_php4 Could you make a mod_php3 port as well? (should be just a few adjustments to the port Makefile. I've no great desire to maintain all these myself and was only messing with them because the current stuff was so broken. If you'd like to be the NWO Apache/mod_FOO guy I'll support you in your efforts and otherwise keep out of your way. At some point the apache port should have a module porters guide that explains what new mod_FOO ports should do and how they should behave. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 15 11:34:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (PacHell.TelcoSucks.org [207.90.181.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D04937BE73; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:34:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA31829; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:34:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:34:05 -0800 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: Stephane Legrand Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VALinux FullOn 2x2 with FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000315113405.E74343@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org> Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: <14543.53022.177024.302155@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <14543.53022.177024.302155@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo>; from Stephane.Legrand@bigfoot.com on Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 06:57:50PM +0100 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 06:57:50PM +0100, Stephane Legrand wrote: > > Hello, > > Does anyone know if the server VALinux FullOn 2x2 ("good" version : > http://www.valinux.com/systems/productinfo.html?product=16#raid) can > run with FreeBSD ? Every components of this server seem ok except for > the RAID controler which is a Mylex AcceleRAID 150. On this web page > (http://www.posi.net/freebsd/drivers/driver-info.phtml?ID=9), i read > that this card should be supported on FreeBSD 4.x but also that it has > never been tested with this special card. The Mylex AcceleRaid 150/250 is supported as bootable device since a few weeks. I am running a 250 currently and I am very happy with it. > > So, if someone has a good or bad experience with this server, please > let me know. Or may be there is other equivalent servers to this one > with "official" FreeBSD support ? > > Thank you. > Stephane Legrand. > > > -- > Stephane.Legrand@bigfoot.com > FreeBSD Francophone : http://www.freebsd-fr.org/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 15 12:48:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (mass.cdrom.com [204.216.28.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82BFD37BB7D; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:48:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01297; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:50:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200003152050.MAA01297@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: ulf@Alameda.net Cc: Stephane Legrand , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VALinux FullOn 2x2 with FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:34:05 PST." <20000315113405.E74343@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:50:14 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Does anyone know if the server VALinux FullOn 2x2 ("good" version : > > http://www.valinux.com/systems/productinfo.html?product=16#raid) can > > run with FreeBSD ? Every components of this server seem ok except for > > the RAID controler which is a Mylex AcceleRAID 150. On this web page > > (http://www.posi.net/freebsd/drivers/driver-info.phtml?ID=9), i read > > that this card should be supported on FreeBSD 4.x but also that it has > > never been tested with this special card. > > The Mylex AcceleRaid 150/250 is supported as bootable device since > a few weeks. I am running a 250 currently and I am very happy with it. AFAIK, the 150 is the same as the 250, but with a slower processor. I don't have one here in the lab, but I would be quite surprised if it didn't work as expected. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 15 12:56:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14AF37BB23 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:56:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dom@happygiraffe.net) Received: from myrddin.demon.co.uk ([158.152.54.180]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 12VKpj-0005zb-0K; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:55:59 +0000 Received: by myrddin.demon.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 69EF42E97; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:53:59 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:53:59 +0000 To: Joe Karthauser Cc: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ispsetup (was: Re: FreeBSD in Dixons) Message-ID: <20000315205358.A394@myrddin.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Joe Karthauser , freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200003140850.IAA00468@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> <38CE708E.10FA1F80@originative.co.uk> <20000314171025.U49909@naiad.eclipse.net.uk> <20000315083103.A511@myrddin.demon.co.uk> <20000315084617.A4785@genius.systems.pavilion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <20000315084617.A4785@genius.systems.pavilion.net>; from Joe Karthauser on Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 08:46:17AM +0000 From: dom@happygiraffe.net (Dominic Mitchell) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 08:46:17AM +0000, Joe Karthauser wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 08:31:22AM +0000, Dominic Mitchell wrote: > > Is there any documentation about the format of them? > > Yes, but it's pants! Along with 99% of the world's computer documentation... > Don't worry about M$ compatible servers - how are you going to find them? > Most of the time the telephone numbers are hard burnt into CDs and not > meant for public consumption. Good point. But it's useful to look at them and see what they are doing, regardless. > For those that don't know the M$ signup mechanism consists of a > web mechanism that collects inforation from the user (using html > forms, or whatever the browser can support). Ultimately the server > sends the user a file with a mime type of 'application/x-internet-signup'. > The IE browser knows to pass this file to some part of the OS that > configures dialup networking, mail, news, etc. > > The file looks something like this: [snip] Many thanks, that's very useful info. -Dom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 15 13:55:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.alpha.net.au (mail2.alpha.net.au [203.41.44.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A980137BFF4 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:54:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyh@idx.com.au) Received: from freebsd.freebsd.org (surry-pool-147.alpha.net.au [203.41.44.147] (may be forged)) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA15582; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:54:52 +1100 From: Danny To: , FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Java and FreeBSD Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:55:03 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00031708573602.00326@freebsd.freebsd.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Why would you need to install JDK on your machine? All he needs is to copy his chat.class into the new server then the class will work on the clients side. It has nothing to do with the server. There is no problem with that. Java is cross platform On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, up@3.am wrote: > I have a fairly large customer who's building a few sites using a custom > designed Java-based web-chat interface. The server that those sites are > currently on is a Sparc running Solaris for the time being. I told him of > my intent to replace that server with a FreeBSD box and his developer is > balking at the idea, to the point where I might lose the customer. > > I don't know from Java, but this person seems to think that FBSD is far > behind Linux and the commercial OS's in this regard. I installed JDK > 1.1.8 on my current FBSD 3.2-RELEASE box, and this new server's going to > be running 4.0R when it ships. > > Any and all feedback or URLs of FreeBSD sites running Java server apps > appreciated. > > TIA, > > James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor > up@3.am http://3.am > ========================================================================= > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 15 14: 2:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from richard2.pil.net (richard2.pil.net [207.8.164.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C521137C1DE for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:02:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from up@3.am) Received: (qmail 80290 invoked by uid 1825); 15 Mar 2000 22:02:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Mar 2000 22:02:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:02:02 -0500 (EST) From: X-Sender: up@richard2.pil.net To: Danny Cc: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Java and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <00031708573602.00326@freebsd.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 17 Mar 2000, Danny wrote: > Why would you need to install JDK on your machine? > All he needs is to copy his chat.class into the new server > then the class will work on the clients side. > > It has nothing to do with the server. > > There is no problem with that. Java is cross platform Because the application is server-side, not an applet. This is the first thing I asked, as from what little I knew about Java was that it was usually client-side. > On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, up@3.am wrote: > > I have a fairly large customer who's building a few sites using a custom > > designed Java-based web-chat interface. The server that those sites are > > currently on is a Sparc running Solaris for the time being. I told him of > > my intent to replace that server with a FreeBSD box and his developer is > > balking at the idea, to the point where I might lose the customer. > > > > I don't know from Java, but this person seems to think that FBSD is far > > behind Linux and the commercial OS's in this regard. I installed JDK > > 1.1.8 on my current FBSD 3.2-RELEASE box, and this new server's going to > > be running 4.0R when it ships. > > > > Any and all feedback or URLs of FreeBSD sites running Java server apps > > appreciated. > > > > TIA, > > > > James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor > > up@3.am http://3.am > > ========================================================================= > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > -- > > James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ========================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 15 15:30:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (PacHell.TelcoSucks.org [207.90.181.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2761F37BDE4; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:30:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA33243; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:30:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:30:36 -0800 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: Mike Smith Cc: ulf@Alameda.net, Stephane Legrand , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VALinux FullOn 2x2 with FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000315153036.F74343@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org> Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: <20000315113405.E74343@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org> <200003152050.MAA01297@mass.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200003152050.MAA01297@mass.cdrom.com>; from msmith@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 12:50:14PM -0800 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 12:50:14PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > > Does anyone know if the server VALinux FullOn 2x2 ("good" version : > > > http://www.valinux.com/systems/productinfo.html?product=16#raid) can > > > run with FreeBSD ? Every components of this server seem ok except for > > > the RAID controler which is a Mylex AcceleRAID 150. On this web page > > > (http://www.posi.net/freebsd/drivers/driver-info.phtml?ID=9), i read > > > that this card should be supported on FreeBSD 4.x but also that it has > > > never been tested with this special card. > > > > The Mylex AcceleRaid 150/250 is supported as bootable device since > > a few weeks. I am running a 250 currently and I am very happy with it. > > AFAIK, the 150 is the same as the 250, but with a slower processor. I > don't have one here in the lab, but I would be quite surprised if it > didn't work as expected. Differences are: 33 MHz against 66 MHz cpu Software Xor chip against hardware ASIC > > -- > \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith > \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 16 0:18:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cod.progroup.com (cod.progroup.com [207.44.190.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E9F37BD76 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:18:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from craig@progroup.com) Received: from progroup.com (guppy.progroup.com [207.44.190.237]) by cod.progroup.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA93158 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:18:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from craig@progroup.com) Message-ID: <38D098F6.D6BB4934@progroup.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:19:02 -0800 From: Craig Shaver Organization: Productivity Group, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Java and FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org up@3.am wrote: > ... > > There is no problem with that. Java is cross platform > > Because the application is server-side, not an applet. This is the first > thing I asked, as from what little I knew about Java was that it was > usually client-side. > > > On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, up@3.am wrote: > > > I have a fairly large customer who's building a few sites using a custom > > > designed Java-based web-chat interface. The server that those sites are > > > currently on is a Sparc running Solaris for the time being. I told him of > > > my intent to replace that server with a FreeBSD box and his developer is > > > balking at the idea, to the point where I might lose the customer. > > > > > > I don't know from Java, but this person seems to think that FBSD is far > > > behind Linux and the commercial OS's in this regard. I installed JDK > > > 1.1.8 on my current FBSD 3.2-RELEASE box, and this new server's going to > > > be running 4.0R when it ships. > > > > > > Any and all feedback or URLs of FreeBSD sites running Java server apps > > > appreciated. > > > You can get the Apache stuff from apache.org to run java servlets and jsp. I am not sure if they have any links to the FreeBSD JVM, but you should be able to get that off of freebsd.org. From the benchmarks I have seen it is the slowest platform to run this stuff on. I think it is due to the way threads are implemented and because there is no JIT compiler. Everything is done in bytecodes. It does work. Linux and Slowaris are better for this type of server side java work. -- Craig Shaver, Productivity Group POB 60458 Sunnyvale, CA 94088 (650)390-0654 http://www.progroup.com/ mailto:craig@progroup.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 16 0:54:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mimer.webgiro.com (mimer.webgiro.com [212.209.29.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6B637BE78 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:54:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by mimer.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 66) id 5DC022DC07; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:59:04 +0100 (CET) Received: by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A34447811; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:51:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97FE010E16; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:51:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:51:51 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Craig Shaver Cc: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Java and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <38D098F6.D6BB4934@progroup.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Craig Shaver wrote: > You can get the Apache stuff from apache.org to run java servlets and > jsp. I am not sure if they have any links to the FreeBSD JVM, but you > should be able to get that off of freebsd.org. From the benchmarks I > have seen it is the slowest platform to run this stuff on. I think it > is due to the way threads are implemented and because there is no JIT > compiler. Everything is done in bytecodes. > > It does work. Linux and Slowaris are better for this type of server > side java work. As much as I love FreeBSD, I hate to say that performance of JDK1.1.8 on FreeBSD is horrible. It's perfectly ok to use it for development, and running lightly-loaded applications, but if you have to run heavy stuff on it, today I'd recommend against. :(( If I understand it correctly, this has a lot to do with two issues: * it's not JDK1.2, which is working much faster. You can try it out with Blackdown JDK1.2 which is running on FreeBSD as well. * well-designed kernel threads can provide much better performance for I/O bound applications. The solution to this is on the way, but not yet there... Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 16 3:17: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from postfix1.free.fr (postfix1.free.fr [212.27.32.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683DE37C1CF for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 03:17:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stephane@libertysurf.fr) Received: from sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo (unknown [213.228.20.169]) by postfix1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06E928649 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:17:00 +0100 (MET) Received: (from stephane@localhost) by sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28698; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 02:47:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from stephane) From: Stephane Legrand MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14544.15643.354574.863691@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 02:47:07 +0100 (CET) To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Redundant router X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 8) "Bryce Canyon" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, We have the following configuration : | | Internet connection | | | NIC ------------------------ | Router and firewall | | (FreeBSD box) | ------------------------ | NIC | NIC | NIC | | | | | | ------------------------ | Switch | ------------------------ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Several FreeBSD servers Everything works ok but the drawback is that if the FreeBSD router has for instance a hardware problem, all the servers become unreachable. So, is there a way to have two redundant routers to avoid this drawback ? Or there is no solution except to have one spare freebsd box already configured and ready to replace the main router ? Thank you. Stephane Legrand. -- Stephane.Legrand@bigfoot.com FreeBSD Francophone : http://www.freebsd-fr.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 16 8: 4:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.79.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6153E37BBE9 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:04:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.79.115]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09831; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:04:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14236; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:04:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:04:48 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003161604.JAA14236@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: Craig Shaver , FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Java and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: <38D098F6.D6BB4934@progroup.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > You can get the Apache stuff from apache.org to run java servlets and > > jsp. I am not sure if they have any links to the FreeBSD JVM, but you > > should be able to get that off of freebsd.org. From the benchmarks I > > have seen it is the slowest platform to run this stuff on. I think it > > is due to the way threads are implemented and because there is no JIT > > compiler. Everything is done in bytecodes. > > > > It does work. Linux and Slowaris are better for this type of server > > side java work. > > As much as I love FreeBSD, I hate to say that performance of JDK1.1.8 on > FreeBSD is horrible. It's perfectly ok to use it for development, and > running lightly-loaded applications, but if you have to run heavy stuff on > it, today I'd recommend against. :(( > > If I understand it correctly, this has a lot to do with two issues: > > * it's not JDK1.2, which is working much faster. You can try it out with > Blackdown JDK1.2 which is running on FreeBSD as well. The reason for this is because the Blackdown team was given access to the latest SUN JIT. It has very little to do with JDK1.2 and everything to do with using a well designed JIT. > * well-designed kernel threads can provide much better performance for I/O > bound applications. The solution to this is on the way, but not yet > there... Again, this has little to do with it, and the biggest reason is because of the JIT. For a much better performing JDK 1.1.8, try using one of the JIT's in the ports area, either TYA or ShuJIT. I've had good look with the former... Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 16 8:12:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mout0.freenet.de (mout0.freenet.de [194.97.50.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435A137BF07 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:12:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netchild@leidinger.net) Received: from [62.104.201.2] (helo=mx1.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12VcsW-0000gi-00; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:12:04 +0100 Received: from [213.6.55.88] (helo=Magelan.Leidinger.net) by mx1.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12VcsW-0006ie-00; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:12:04 +0100 Received: from Leidinger.net (netchild@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Magelan.Leidinger.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01512; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:02:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from netchild@Leidinger.net) Message-Id: <200003161502.QAA01512@Magelan.Leidinger.net> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:02:47 +0100 (CET) From: Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: Java and FreeBSD To: craig@ProGroup.COM Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <38D098F6.D6BB4934@progroup.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 16 Mar, Craig Shaver wrote: > have seen it is the slowest platform to run this stuff on. I think it > is due to the way threads are implemented and because there is no JIT > compiler. Everything is done in bytecodes. cd /usr/ports; make search key=JIT Bye, Alexander. -- "One world, one web, one program" -- Microsoft promotional ad "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuehrer" -- Adolf Hitler http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander+Home @ Leidinger.net Key fingerprint = 7423 F3E6 3A7E B334 A9CC B10A 1F5F 130A A638 6E7E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 16 8:59:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mimer.webgiro.com (mimer.webgiro.com [212.209.29.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83DBE37BC95 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:59:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by mimer.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 66) id 149972DC09; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:04:04 +0100 (CET) Received: by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 38C147811; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:58:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0543110E16; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:58:47 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:58:47 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Nate Williams Cc: Craig Shaver , FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Java and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <200003161604.JAA14236@nomad.yogotech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Nate Williams wrote: > The reason for this is because the Blackdown team was given access to > the latest SUN JIT. It has very little to do with JDK1.2 and everything > to do with using a well designed JIT. > Again, this has little to do with it, and the biggest reason is because Really? I thought that native kernel threads would help for IO bound application.. > of the JIT. For a much better performing JDK 1.1.8, try using one of > the JIT's in the ports area, either TYA or ShuJIT. I've had good look > with the former... My point was that even with one of those JITs the performance is less than breathtaking. Don't take it personally, please - I know you spent tremendous efforts to make Java available on FreeBSD, and I admire you for that. But still, it's easy to make VolanoMark benchmark and see the results... Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 16 9: 1:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from riga.nu (riga.nu.138.62.195.in-addr.arpa [195.62.138.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3666A37BC95 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:01:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from viktors@riga.nu) Received: (qmail 35253 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2000 17:01:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO riga.nu) (159.148.169.200) by riga.nu with SMTP; 16 Mar 2000 17:01:29 -0000 Message-ID: <38D11368.7F45B1C0@riga.nu> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:01:28 +0200 From: Viktors Rotanovs Organization: DATIONS Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-20000208-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: JSP vs PHP? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! Does anyone have comparisons on what is faster on FreeBSD, JSP or PHP? Best Wishes, Viktors Rotanovs To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 16 9: 4:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.79.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA4137BC90 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:04:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.79.115]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10342; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:04:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14557; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:04:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:04:25 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003161704.KAA14557@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: Nate Williams , Craig Shaver , FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Java and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: <200003161604.JAA14236@nomad.yogotech.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > The reason for this is because the Blackdown team was given access to > > the latest SUN JIT. It has very little to do with JDK1.2 and everything > > to do with using a well designed JIT. > > > Again, this has little to do with it, and the biggest reason is because > > Really? I thought that native kernel threads would help for IO bound > application.. Sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn't. My experience with *LOTS* of I/O networking threads is that the green threads model works better than the native threads model, since select() can be used so that I/O bound threads 'Do The Right Thing' and don't block. Because of this, the *MUCH* lower context switch time is a boon, and the system tends to run much faster. However, file and/or device I/O (I used serial code classes I bought) cause the JVM to be almost unusable, but I think the latter was due to poorly written native code for reading the serial device. Unfortunately, I had neither the time nor the energy to re-write the serial code. > > > of the JIT. For a much better performing JDK 1.1.8, try using one of > > the JIT's in the ports area, either TYA or ShuJIT. I've had good look > > with the former... > > My point was that even with one of those JITs the performance is less than > breathtaking. Sure, but it's not that much different than the performance using the Blackdown JVM either. Seriously! > Don't take it personally, please - I know you spent > tremendous efforts to make Java available on FreeBSD, and I admire you for > that. But still, it's easy to make VolanoMark benchmark and see the > results... I'd love to see someone doing a real comparison using the Volano benchmark of the native JDK + TYA against the Blackdown JIT. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 16 11: 5:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sandbox.uncanny.net (sandbox.uncanny.net [140.174.20.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 822FD37BFC0 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:05:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ee@sandbox.uncanny.net) Received: (from ee@localhost) by sandbox.uncanny.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id KAA34284; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:59:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ee) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:59:07 -0800 (PST) From: Edward Elhauge Message-Id: <200003161859.KAA34284@sandbox.uncanny.net> To: Viktors Rotanovs , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JSP vs PHP? In-Reply-To: <38D11368.7F45B1C0@riga.nu> Organization: Uncanny Inc. Reply-To: ee@uncanny.net User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980818 ("Laura") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.1-RELEASE (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Viktors, You should also consider EmbedPerl. In our evaluation at Genentech, where I consult, we decided to pull support for PHP in favor of EmbedPerl. EmbedPerl does everything PHP does and more, in a cleaner environment. In article <38D11368.7F45B1C0@riga.nu> you wrote: > Hello! > Does anyone have comparisons on what is faster on FreeBSD, JSP or > PHP? > Best Wishes, > Viktors Rotanovs > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Edward Elhauge | "Inter urinas et faeces nascimur." Uncanny Inc., San Francisco | -- St. Augustine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 16 12:34:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from postfix3.free.fr (postfix3.free.fr [212.27.32.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC2237C00E; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:34:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stephane@libertysurf.fr) Received: from sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo (unknown [213.228.29.141]) by postfix3.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B4187048; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:34:32 +0100 (CET) Received: (from stephane@localhost) by sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA67935; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:34:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from stephane) From: Stephane Legrand MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14545.17741.355237.821095@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:34:21 +0100 (CET) To: ulf@Alameda.net Cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VALinux FullOn 2x2 with FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20000315153036.F74343@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org> References: <20000315113405.E74343@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org> <200003152050.MAA01297@mass.cdrom.com> <20000315153036.F74343@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 8) "Bryce Canyon" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ulf Zimmermann writes: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 12:50:14PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > Does anyone know if the server VALinux FullOn 2x2 ("good" version : > > > > http://www.valinux.com/systems/productinfo.html?product=16#raid) can > > > > run with FreeBSD ? Every components of this server seem ok except for > > > > the RAID controler which is a Mylex AcceleRAID 150. On this web page > > > > (http://www.posi.net/freebsd/drivers/driver-info.phtml?ID=9), i read > > > > that this card should be supported on FreeBSD 4.x but also that it has > > > > never been tested with this special card. > > > > > > The Mylex AcceleRaid 150/250 is supported as bootable device since > > > a few weeks. I am running a 250 currently and I am very happy with it. > > > > AFAIK, the 150 is the same as the 250, but with a slower processor. I > > don't have one here in the lab, but I would be quite surprised if it > > didn't work as expected. > > Differences are: > > 33 MHz against 66 MHz cpu > Software Xor chip against hardware ASIC > Thank you very much for your answers. I'll keep inform the list if FreeBSD actually runs well with this server. Stephane Legrand. -- Stephane.Legrand@bigfoot.com FreeBSD Francophone : http://www.freebsd-fr.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 16 14:20:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bayer2.bayer-ag.de (bayer2.bayer-ag.de [194.120.191.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C48637C215 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:20:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas.klemm.ak@bayer-ag.de) Received: from BYE473.BAYER-AG.DE (bye473.bayer-ag.com) by bayer2.bayer-ag.de with SMTP id SAA24965 (SMTP Gateway 4.2 for ); Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:14:44 +0100 Received: by BYE473.BAYER-AG.DE (Soft-Switch LMS 3.2) with snapi via MT0044 id 0006800021652959; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:15:30 +0100 From: andreas.klemm.ak@bayer-ag.de To: " - *freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Subject: how to get .logout evaluated, when using remote copy (rcp) Message-Id: <0006800021652959000002L092*@MHS> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:15:30 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi ! Want to save my cisco router configs with rcp. Every router has an account of it%s own on the Unix host. This prevents overwriting of configs. If the remote user on the Unix host has csh as shell, I can make use of .cshrc, to set a secure umask (077). Now I want to make use of the .logout file to make a backup of the router config after the rcp session terminates. But .logout will not be executed. Well, I think it makes a difference for csh if you have an interactive or a remote session. Is there perhaps a way to fake something in .cshrc, to make csh think it has to execute .logout after rcp ? Andreas /// To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 16 16:40:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from richard2.pil.net (richard2.pil.net [207.8.164.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 09FC437C1F6 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:40:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from up@3.am) Received: (qmail 22109 invoked by uid 1825); 17 Mar 2000 00:40:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 00:40:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:40:16 -0500 (EST) From: X-Sender: up@richard2.pil.net To: andreas.klemm.ak@bayer-ag.de Cc: " - *freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: how to get .logout evaluated, when using remote copy (rcp) In-Reply-To: <0006800021652959000002L092*@MHS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 andreas.klemm.ak@bayer-ag.de wrote: > Want to save my cisco router configs with rcp. > > Every router has an account of it%s own on the Unix host. > This prevents overwriting of configs. > > If the remote user on the Unix host has csh as shell, > I can make use of .cshrc, to set a secure umask (077). > > Now I want to make use of the .logout file to make a backup > of the router config after the rcp session terminates. > > But .logout will not be executed. > > Well, I think it makes a difference for csh if you have an interactive > or a remote session. > > Is there perhaps a way to fake something in .cshrc, to make csh think > it has to execute .logout after rcp ? Frankly, it's news to me that Ciscos support rcp (do they?). Why don't you just save the config using tftp? cisco# copy run tftp The man pages tell you all about tftp, but it's basically just a matter of uncommenting it in inetd, HUPing inetd, then mkdir /tftpboot touch /tftpboot/cisco-confg James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ========================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 17 1: 8:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bayer2.bayer-ag.de (bayer2.bayer-ag.de [194.120.191.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CB02937BC91 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:08:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas.klemm.ak@bayer-ag.de) Received: from BYE473.BAYER-AG.DE (bye473.bayer-ag.com) by bayer2.bayer-ag.de with SMTP id KAA24065 (SMTP Gateway 4.2 for ); Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:08:26 +0100 Received: by BYE473.BAYER-AG.DE (Soft-Switch LMS 3.2) with snapi via MT0044 id 0006800021782823; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:09:14 +0100 From: andreas.klemm.ak@bayer-ag.de To: " - *up@3.am" Cc: " - *freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: how to get .logout evaluated, when using remote copy (rc Message-Id: <0006800021782823000002L032*@MHS> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:09:14 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org BTW, excuse me for this ill mailer called Lotus Notes ... It makes quoting impossible and creates funny characters :-/ Because running a tftp server is insecure Even if you secure it with tcp_wrapper there remain still risks - permissions of config files have to be 666, otherwise you can%t write the file on the tftpserver - so other users may delete the files - There is a chance to overwrite the wrong file especially when using tftp with Cisco Catalyst 5xxx switches, which doesn%t offer you a default config name "name-confg". You have to type the complete filename in. So it might be possible, to overwrite the wrong config. Well, therefore I want to introduce rcp and Cisco Router can do this since a long time and Catalyst 5K switches can do it since 5.2 release. I need the logout feature to copy the config to a backup file with a time stamp in it. So this would be event triggered. Otherwise I had to do a script, that runs periodically and would have to check over 1000 machines.... This is a wastage of CPU cycles and you would have to make a compromise by running it at a time intervall of which you think that it catches even changes, that come in a relatively short sequence.... So rcp is the way to go and it would be cool, if a .logout could be executed. Or a new file .cshrcexit should be added.... So than you%d have for interactive logins: .login .logout And for simply shells .cshrc .cshrcexit up@3.am on 17.03.2000 01:42:27 An: Andreas Klemm/EXQEJ/CH/DE/BAYER@BAYERNOTES Kopie: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org@INTERNET Thema: Re: how to get .logout evaluated, when using remote copy (rc On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 andreas.klemm.ak@bayer-ag.de wrote: > Want to save my cisco router configs with rcp. > > Every router has an account of it%s own on the Unix host. > This prevents overwriting of configs. > > If the remote user on the Unix host has csh as shell, > I can make use of .cshrc, to set a secure umask (077). > > Now I want to make use of the .logout file to make a backup > of the router config after the rcp session terminates. > > But .logout will not be executed. > > Well, I think it makes a difference for csh if you have an interactive > or a remote session. > > Is there perhaps a way to fake something in .cshrc, to make csh think > it has to execute .logout after rcp ? Frankly, it's news to me that Ciscos support rcp (do they?). Why don't you just save the config using tftp? cisco# copy run tftp The man pages tell you all about tftp, but it's basically just a matter of uncommenting it in inetd, HUPing inetd, then mkdir /tftpboot touch /tftpboot/cisco-confg James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ========================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 17 15: 1:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from richard2.pil.net (richard2.pil.net [207.8.164.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B0F4F37B718 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:01:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from up@3.am) Received: (qmail 45298 invoked by uid 1825); 17 Mar 2000 23:01:17 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 23:01:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:01:17 -0500 (EST) From: X-Sender: up@richard2.pil.net To: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: ISO images redux Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After trashing yet a few more CDs trying to make bootable -STABLE installation CDs, I've come to realize there's something very fundemental I just don't get about these ISO images. If I burn a CD on a Mac using Toast 4.0 deluxe (which Adaptec assures me is capable of creating bootable ISO-9660 CDROMs) using ISO-9660 as teh format, a single file is created on the cdrom called "3.4-install.iso", which is essentially useless. Of course it won't boot, and if you mount it and look at it, you still just see that single file. If I take my 3.2-RELEASE CD, it boots, and if I mount it, I see a normal directory structure with all the normal files and subdirectories that I would expect to see. Don't get me wrong, I believe in *buying* FreeBSD from time to time to support the ongoing development, hence I bought the 3.2 Power Pak last year, and just pre-ordered 4.0-RELEASE for whenever it ships. But I'd REALLY like to be able to create my own bootable -STABLE or -RELEASE installation CDs. What the fsck am I doing wrong??? TIA, James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ========================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 17 15:12: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hindenburg.eboai.org (hindenburg.eboai.org [205.181.254.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E8737B6F5 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:12:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chip@eboai.org) Received: by hindenburg.eboai.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CF4F53D4D; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:11:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:11:59 -0500 From: Chip Marshall To: FreeBSD ISP List Cc: up@3.am Subject: Re: ISO images redux Message-ID: <20000317181159.A23306@hindenburg.eboai.org> Reply-To: chip@eboai.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.4i In-Reply-To: ; from up@3.am on Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 06:01:17PM -0500 X-Real-OS: FreeBSD hindenburg.eboai.org 3.4-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 06:01:17PM -0500, up@3.am wrote: > If I burn a CD on a Mac using Toast 4.0 deluxe (which Adaptec assures me > is capable of creating bootable ISO-9660 CDROMs) using ISO-9660 as teh > format, a single file is created on the cdrom called "3.4-install.iso", > which is essentially useless. Of course it won't boot, and if you mount it > and look at it, you still just see that single file. If I take my > 3.2-RELEASE CD, it boots, and if I mount it, I see a normal directory > structure with all the normal files and subdirectories that I would expect > to see. > > Don't get me wrong, I believe in *buying* FreeBSD from time to time to > support the ongoing development, hence I bought the 3.2 Power Pak last > year, and just pre-ordered 4.0-RELEASE for whenever it ships. But I'd > REALLY like to be able to create my own bootable -STABLE or -RELEASE > installation CDs. What the fsck am I doing wrong??? It would appear that you are writing the ISO image into a new ISO-9660 filesystem. This is likely what happens if you just drag and drop the image into the Toast window, it's been a while since I used Toast, so I don't really remember too well. Also, selecting ISO-9660 from the Format menu (or something like it) won't work either. You need to find the bit of Toast that says some thing like Write Image. That will do what you need. I don't remember what menu it's on though. I do however know that it is there, since I made 3.2-RELEASE, 3.3-RELEASE, 3.4-RELEASE, and will soon be making 4.0-RELEASE CD's in this manner, and all have worked fine. You might want to check to make sure your image is intact too, perhaps by using the Mount Image option of Toast. -- Chip Marshall http://www.chocobo.cx/chip/ InterNIC handle - CLM21 PGP key available on my web page On IRC via EFnet as Magus -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCM/CS d+(-) s+:++ a--- C++(+++) UB++++ P+++>$ L- E--- W++ N+(++) o K? w O M+ V- PS PE Y? PGP++ t+@ 5 X(+) R>+ t+() b+>++ DI++++ D(-) G e>++ h!>++ r--- y ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 17 21:22:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from richard2.pil.net (richard2.pil.net [207.8.164.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B71FE37B574 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:22:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from up@3.am) Received: (qmail 75414 invoked by uid 1825); 18 Mar 2000 05:22:10 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 18 Mar 2000 05:22:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:22:10 -0500 (EST) From: X-Sender: up@richard2.pil.net To: Chip Marshall Cc: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: ISO images redux In-Reply-To: <20000317181159.A23306@hindenburg.eboai.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 17 Mar 2000, Chip Marshall wrote: > On Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 06:01:17PM -0500, up@3.am wrote: > > If I burn a CD on a Mac using Toast 4.0 deluxe (which Adaptec assures me > > is capable of creating bootable ISO-9660 CDROMs) using ISO-9660 as teh > > format, a single file is created on the cdrom called "3.4-install.iso", > > which is essentially useless. Of course it won't boot, and if you mount it > > and look at it, you still just see that single file. If I take my > > 3.2-RELEASE CD, it boots, and if I mount it, I see a normal directory > > structure with all the normal files and subdirectories that I would expect > > to see. > You might want to check to make sure your image is intact too, perhaps > by using the Mount Image option of Toast. I think we're onto the problem here...none of the images will mount. I even created an image from the 3.2-RELEASE CDROM and it wouldn't mount. The Toast docs tell you the image files need to be defragged, so I went and spent another $90 on Norton utilities, defragged, but I still keep getting Mac OS errors (result code= -29525). Well, it's off to trash one last CD (number 7 so far, I think), trying one last thing...sorry for the OT intrusion, and thanks. James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ========================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 17 21:25:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hindenburg.eboai.org (hindenburg.eboai.org [205.181.254.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C840237B849 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:25:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chip@eboai.org) Received: by hindenburg.eboai.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0738D3D4F; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:25:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:25:24 -0500 From: Chip Marshall To: FreeBSD ISP List Cc: up@3.am Subject: Re: ISO images redux Message-ID: <20000318002524.A26981@hindenburg.eboai.org> Reply-To: chip@eboai.org References: <20000317181159.A23306@hindenburg.eboai.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.4i In-Reply-To: ; from up@3.am on Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 12:22:10AM -0500 X-Real-OS: FreeBSD hindenburg.eboai.org 3.4-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 12:22:10AM -0500, up@3.am wrote: > > You might want to check to make sure your image is intact too, perhaps > > by using the Mount Image option of Toast. > > I think we're onto the problem here...none of the images will mount. I > even created an image from the 3.2-RELEASE CDROM and it wouldn't mount. > The Toast docs tell you the image files need to be defragged, so I went > and spent another $90 on Norton utilities, defragged, but I still keep > getting Mac OS errors (result code= -29525). > > Well, it's off to trash one last CD (number 7 so far, I think), trying one > last thing...sorry for the OT intrusion, and thanks. Stupid question, but does your Mac know how to mount ISO9660 filesystems normally? I seem to remember some versions of Mac OS didn't understand them natively, and needed a special extension to do so. Also, did you make sure to download the images in binary format? I seem to remember some people were getting them as ASCII and complaining quite a bit. -- Chip Marshall http://www.chocobo.cx/chip/ InterNIC handle - CLM21 PGP key available on my web page On IRC via EFnet as Magus -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCM/CS d+(-) s+:++ a--- C++(+++) UB++++ P+++>$ L- E--- W++ N+(++) o K? w O M+ V- PS PE Y? PGP++ t+@ 5 X(+) R>+ t+() b+>++ DI++++ D(-) G e>++ h!>++ r--- y ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 18 7:21:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2265C37B603 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 07:21:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tmullaney@helpfulhacker.com) Received: from [63.210.136.42] (dialup-63.210.136.42.Boston1.Level3.net [63.210.136.42]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA16332 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 07:21:34 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:21:33 -0500 Subject: From: Thomas Mullaney To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have several domains hosted on my FreeBSD box (v3.4) that want to relay mail through the machine from dynamic ip addresses assigned by different ISP's. I would like to use something like the poprelay hack that required them to get mail before they can relay. I know it's been done, but after being up all night with a sick 4 year old I cant think where to look. TIA Thomas -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 18 7:39:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from jking1.lgc.com (jking1.lgc.com [134.132.228.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0AF37B649 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 07:39:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from king@sstar.com) Received: from MAROON (maroon [134.132.228.8]) by jking1.lgc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA33628; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 09:38:16 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from king@sstar.com) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000318093731.00a68198@mail.sstar.com> X-Sender: king@mail.sstar.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 09:38:16 -0600 To: Thomas Mullaney , From: Jim King Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:21 AM 3/18/2000 -0500, Thomas Mullaney wrote: >I have several domains hosted on my FreeBSD box (v3.4) that want to relay >mail through the machine from dynamic ip addresses assigned by different >ISP's. I would like to use something like the poprelay hack that required >them to get mail before they can relay. I know it's been done, but after >being up all night with a sick 4 year old I cant think where to look. http://www.sendmail.org has some references to it; search for POPAUTH. Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 18 7:42:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from richard2.pil.net (richard2.pil.net [207.8.164.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 954D837B5FE for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 07:42:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from up@3.am) Received: (qmail 5126 invoked by uid 1825); 18 Mar 2000 15:42:13 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 18 Mar 2000 15:42:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:42:13 -0500 (EST) From: X-Sender: up@richard2.pil.net To: Chip Marshall Cc: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: ISO images redux In-Reply-To: <20000318002524.A26981@hindenburg.eboai.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 18 Mar 2000, Chip Marshall wrote: > On Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 12:22:10AM -0500, up@3.am wrote: > > > You might want to check to make sure your image is intact too, perhaps > > > by using the Mount Image option of Toast. > > > > I think we're onto the problem here...none of the images will mount. I > > even created an image from the 3.2-RELEASE CDROM and it wouldn't mount. > > The Toast docs tell you the image files need to be defragged, so I went > > and spent another $90 on Norton utilities, defragged, but I still keep > > getting Mac OS errors (result code= -29525). > > > > Well, it's off to trash one last CD (number 7 so far, I think), trying one > > last thing...sorry for the OT intrusion, and thanks. > > Stupid question, but does your Mac know how to mount ISO9660 > filesystems normally? I seem to remember some versions of Mac OS > didn't understand them natively, and needed a special extension to do > so. Also, did you make sure to download the images in binary format? I > seem to remember some people were getting them as ASCII and > complaining quite a bit. I dunno; I figured that since I was trying to mount them *through* Toast's mount utility that they would have thought of that for me :). In any case, I got the exact same error trying to create a temporary partition using Toast. I suspect OS 9 compatibility problems. However, I finally did succeed in burning a 3.4-RELEASE CD. It was pretty much what everyone here told me; just drop the .iso file directly into Toast using the "Disk Image" option, and stay far away from the ISO options. Trying to create an ISO image from an ISO image is apparently not wise. Thanks again, James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ========================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 18 8:16:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.bna.bellsouth.net (mail2.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731AF37B5FE for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 08:16:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@siteplus.net) Received: from discover.siteplus.net (host-209-214-41-167.cha.bellsouth.net [209.214.41.167]) by mail2.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id LAA12600; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:08:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:16:23 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Weeks To: Thomas Mullaney Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This explains how to accomplish this in qpopper, as well as sendmail. http://spam.abuse.net/tools/smPbS.html On Sat, 18 Mar 2000, Thomas Mullaney wrote: > I have several domains hosted on my FreeBSD box (v3.4) that want to relay > mail through the machine from dynamic ip addresses assigned by different > ISP's. I would like to use something like the poprelay hack that required > them to get mail before they can relay. I know it's been done, but after > being up all night with a sick 4 year old I cant think where to look. > > TIA > Thomas > > -- > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 18 11: 2: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from boris.netgate.net (boris.netgate.net [204.145.147.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF3C37B84B for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:01:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsddave@mrcaffeine.com) Received: from localhost (wellsian@localhost) by boris.netgate.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA63338; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:58:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsddave@mrcaffeine.com) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:58:22 -0800 (PST) From: fbsd-dave X-Sender: wellsian@boris.netgate.net To: up@3.am, Chip Marshall Cc: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: ISO images redux In-Reply-To: <20000318002524.A26981@hindenburg.eboai.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 18 Mar 2000, Chip Marshall wrote: > On Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 12:22:10AM -0500, up@3.am wrote: ... > Stupid question, but does your Mac know how to mount ISO9660 > filesystems normally? I seem to remember some versions of Mac OS > didn't understand them natively, and needed a special extension to do > so. Also, did you make sure to download the images in binary format? I > seem to remember some people were getting them as ASCII and > complaining quite a bit. No, not stupid. Lots of Macmisinformation around. Mac's have been able to mount 9660 cd's since day one. (Remember, Mac had CDs standard before the wintel world.) The CD handling code is installed by default unless you do a custom install and remove it. The problem is usually that the user has disabled the 9660 format definition in their "extensions manager". It looks like an extension/init/patch, and "hey! what's that thing! I'd better turn it off!" :/ Okay, time warp - I'm in the office now. If you'll notice, there are several sections under the Format menu. It looks like you were using the top group which creates a filesystem for the selected type (Audio/Mac/ISO/Hybrid/etc.) and puts the files you choose inside that filesystem. Not very useful for an image. Instead, under the Format menu, choose "Disc Image". Now drag & drop the iso image file or use the Data button to locate it. That's it. The Write CD button will now create cd's of the iso image instead of 9660 filesystems containing the iso image file. Of course, you could have some combination of problems we've speculated about. But if you don't choose "Disc Image", you definitely won't get what you want. Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message