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what do you mean by ribbon cables, aren't the cables that came with the
motherboard
good for it?

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had the same problems.  make sure you are using LVD ribbon cables.

On Sat, Jul 01, 2000 at 11:11:47AM +0200, Mustafa Deeb wrote:
 // hi all,
 //
 // we build our own servers, we've always used the intel N440BX and the
 // Barracuda disks.. and we liked it so much,
 // this time we bought intel's L440GX+ and the chettah disks from seagate
 // (Ultra2 DIsks)
 // and I'm getting these errors,
 // ofcourse the server goes nuts when an error like this happens..
 // after looking into the mailling lists, nobody gave a direct reason for
this
 // problem or even a solution, anyways, I want to replace the Hard Drives,
 //
 // is there someone who've used the L440GX+ motherboard with 18G disks and
he
 // is happy with it
 //
 // Best Regards...
 // Mustafa N. Deeb
 //
 //
 //
 // da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0
 // da0: <SEAGATE ST318404LW 0002> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device
 // da0: 20.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 63, 16bit), Tagged Queueing
 // Enabled
 // da0: 17501MB (35843670 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2231C)
 // da2 at ahc0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0
 // da2: <SEAGATE ST318404LW 0002> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device
 // da2: 20.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 63, 16bit), Tagged Queueing
 // Enabled
 // da2: 17501MB (35843670 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2231C)
 // da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 2 lun 0
 // da1: <SEAGATE ST318404LW 0002> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device
 // da1: 20.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 63, 16bit), Tagged Queueing
 // Enabled
 // da1: 17501MB (35843670 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2231C)
 //
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): SCB 0x62 - timed out while idle, SEQADDR == 0xb
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Queuing a BDR SCB
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): no longer in timeout, status = 34a
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): SCB 0xc - timed out while idle, SEQADDR == 0x9
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Queuing a BDR SCB
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): no longer in timeout, status = 34a
 // (da2:ahc0:0:4:0): Invalidating pack
 //
 //
 //
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I would like suggestions on temperature monitoring software.  I am not
having any trouble with this remote machine, but I believe it is running
a little warm.  This is the output from lmmon

 Motherboard Temp               Voltages

 255C / 491F / 528K        Vcore1:   +3.984V
                           Vcore2:   +3.984V
    Fan Speeds             + 3.3V:   +3.984V
                           + 5.0V:   +6.654V
    1:    0 rpm            +12.0V:  +15.938V
    2:    0 rpm            -12.0V:  -15.938V
    3:    0 rpm            - 5.0V:   -6.654V

This is a dual PII/400 Matsonic 440BX board running 3.4-stable.  Does any
one know what acceptable motherboard temp should be.  

Is there something that would give more detailed information
remotely i.e. cpu temps.

Thanks,

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On Sun, 2 Jul 2000, Jim Weeks wrote:

: having any trouble with this remote machine, but I believe it is running
: a little warm.  This is the output from lmmon

HOLY....<insert word here> A LITTLE warm? You have a talent for under
statement. This is the output from my constantly loaded dual PIII 550
server, note this server isn't cooled by any special means other then
the normal CPU fans and case fan.

 Motherboard Temp               Voltages

 38C / 100F / 311K         Vcore1:   +1.969V
                           Vcore2:   +1.969V
    Fan Speeds             + 3.3V:   +3.188V
                           + 5.0V:   +4.801V
    1:    0 rpm            +12.0V:  +12.375V
    2: 4927 rpm            -12.0V:  -14.250V
    3: 4787 rpm            - 5.0V:   -5.454V

 
:  Motherboard Temp               Voltages
: 
:  255C / 491F / 528K        Vcore1:   +3.984V
:                            Vcore2:   +3.984V
:     Fan Speeds             + 3.3V:   +3.984V
:                            + 5.0V:   +6.654V
:     1:    0 rpm            +12.0V:  +15.938V
:     2:    0 rpm            -12.0V:  -15.938V
:     3:    0 rpm            - 5.0V:   -6.654V
: 
: This is a dual PII/400 Matsonic 440BX board running 3.4-stable.  Does any
: one know what acceptable motherboard temp should be.  

Mine is also on a 440BX based board, more specifically a Tyan Tiger 100.
If I recall right, most BIOS' are setup to shutdown at 79C. Either your
sensor is completely on crack, or you have no fans working and your CPUs
are running hot enough to melt half the material in the computer :)

: Is there something that would give more detailed information
: remotely i.e. cpu temps.
: 
: Thanks,
: 
: --
: Jim Weeks
: -------- A mind is a terrible thing to lose!  How I miss mine..

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There *must* be something wrong with either the MB, BIOS, or lmmon here.
If your CPU were running at that temp, there would be an obvious burning
smell, boiling is 100C/212F/???K and the voltages are pretty off as well.
Maybe there is a Vref off by some percentage somewhere... - Jy@

btw: MB temp shouldn't be too far above ambient so 30-45C is more like it.

On Sun, 2 Jul 2000, Jim Weeks wrote:
> From: Jim Weeks <jim@siteplus.net>
> 
> I would like suggestions on temperature monitoring software.  I am not
> having any trouble with this remote machine, but I believe it is running
> a little warm.  This is the output from lmmon
> 
>  Motherboard Temp               Voltages
> 
>  255C / 491F / 528K        Vcore1:   +3.984V
>                            Vcore2:   +3.984V
>     Fan Speeds             + 3.3V:   +3.984V
>                            + 5.0V:   +6.654V
>     1:    0 rpm            +12.0V:  +15.938V
>     2:    0 rpm            -12.0V:  -15.938V
>     3:    0 rpm            - 5.0V:   -6.654V
> 
> This is a dual PII/400 Matsonic 440BX board running 3.4-stable.  Does any
> one know what acceptable motherboard temp should be.  
> 
> Is there something that would give more detailed information
> remotely i.e. cpu temps.



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Or it just doesn't work with your mobo. Try healthd instead.
Seems to work ok on my BP6, and tells me it's too hot!

Jul  2 15:07:49 frogger healthd: A value of 53.00 for Chip Set Temperature
with a range of (0.00 <= n <= 30.00)
Jul  2 15:07:49 frogger healthd: A value of 50.50 for CPU #0 Temperature
with a range of (10.00 <= n <= 30.00)
Jul  2 15:07:49 frogger healthd: A value of 58.50 for CPU #1 Temperature
with a range of (10.00 <= n <= 30.00)
Jul  2 15:07:49 frogger healthd: A value of 1.52 for CPU #1 Core Voltage
with a range of (1.95 <= n <= 2.05)

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On Sun, 2 Jul 2000, Jim Weeks wrote:

: having any trouble with this remote machine, but I believe it is running
: a little warm.  This is the output from lmmon

HOLY....<insert word here> A LITTLE warm? You have a talent for under
statement. This is the output from my constantly loaded dual PIII 550
server, note this server isn't cooled by any special means other then
the normal CPU fans and case fan.

 Motherboard Temp               Voltages

 38C / 100F / 311K         Vcore1:   +1.969V
                           Vcore2:   +1.969V
    Fan Speeds             + 3.3V:   +3.188V
                           + 5.0V:   +4.801V
    1:    0 rpm            +12.0V:  +12.375V
    2: 4927 rpm            -12.0V:  -14.250V
    3: 4787 rpm            - 5.0V:   -5.454V


:  Motherboard Temp               Voltages
:
:  255C / 491F / 528K        Vcore1:   +3.984V
:                            Vcore2:   +3.984V
:     Fan Speeds             + 3.3V:   +3.984V
:                            + 5.0V:   +6.654V
:     1:    0 rpm            +12.0V:  +15.938V
:     2:    0 rpm            -12.0V:  -15.938V
:     3:    0 rpm            - 5.0V:   -6.654V
:
: This is a dual PII/400 Matsonic 440BX board running 3.4-stable.  Does any
: one know what acceptable motherboard temp should be.

Mine is also on a 440BX based board, more specifically a Tyan Tiger 100.
If I recall right, most BIOS' are setup to shutdown at 79C. Either your
sensor is completely on crack, or you have no fans working and your CPUs
are running hot enough to melt half the material in the computer :)

: Is there something that would give more detailed information
: remotely i.e. cpu temps.
:
: Thanks,
:
: --
: Jim Weeks
: -------- A mind is a terrible thing to lose!  How I miss mine..

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There is a new list dedicated to BSD in your organization.
This group is intended to be part advocacy, part BSD and part
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Basically anything which will help you get BSD in use or to keep
it running in your organization.

How does this group differs from:

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** Advocacy
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So far just the 2U's... we're most likely gonna test out the 1U shortly
tho, and if we do, I'll let you know.

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> www.rackmount.com is actually my first choice, but I thought I check for 
> experiences with gtweb.
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> Have you used rackmount's 1U case yet?  or just their 2U?
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> Anybody have good experiences with gtweb.net's 2U case and Intel CA810E-AL 
> Micro ATX System Board under FreeBSD 3.4 or 4.0?

> Any other rackmount case or mobo's for FreeBSD isp?

> Then what about any other build-your-own 1U case + mobo for FreeBSD?

We're trying the little iNTEL 1100 and find it's quite nice.

One really great feature for ISP use is that during boot, the 
ROM/BIOS displays and commands are routed through the serial port
on bootup.

Unlike just having the serail port be the console, where you have
to have a video card and keyboard in order to change BIOS on boot,
it all comes out through the serial port.

I found a video card from a Canadian company (I can't recall the
name now) that did the same things, but they wanted $250.

We're also installing the BayTechnolgies telnetable and dialup
power strips - so combining that with a server that can be totally
adminstered through serial ports seems to be an almost ideal
situation.  We're just bring all this up so I have no history on
how will this is going to work.

[posting from an admin account - as my local dialup still goes
through Verio and they dont reverse the dial-in so mail gets
rejected.  Hope to have our xDSL up in a week or so]/

I'm really Bill Vermillion   bv@wjv.com

Bill


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On Sat, Jul 01, 2000 at 10:49:11PM +0200, Mustafa N. Deeb wrote:
> well I think I've eliminated most of these things, I've the disks out of the
> server and made the cooler point the air to it..
> and It does not look like bad cables...
> about the BAD hd, I've the problem on 5/5 new drives that I bought..
> I'll try upgrading the firmeware and BIOS..
> and see..

Hi,

Where I work we have the same problem we were not however able to get rid
of this problem by elimination ie. we replaced scsi cable, scsi adapter
and like you we replaced the drive (same specs same seagate) twice with the
same results.  We also added a fan for the drive noticing it became quite hot
with no improvement.

da1: <SEAGATE ST39236LW 0005> Fixed Direct Access

Last that remains is probly a swap of the motherboard which seems wrong since
the motherboard doesn't touch the drives at all ie. there is a controller 
inbetween.  Power supply we thought may cause it too but swapping the power
cables to drives this did not seem a problem.

We've sticked this drive into another host of almost the same configuration
and ran bonnie continuously on it as so that we would put continuous use on
the drive with no errors reported.  

Sincerely,


Peter Philipp (PP2441)
Daemonic Networks
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On Sun, 2 Jul 2000, Matt Heckaman wrote:

> HOLY....<insert word here> A LITTLE warm? You have a talent for under
> statement. This is the output from my constantly loaded dual PIII 550
> server, note this server isn't cooled by any special means other then
> the normal CPU fans and case fan.

Thanks guys,

You have confirmed my suspisions.  I don't think I am getting acurate 
reporting.  The problem is that I haven't actully touched this machine in
months.  I am not getting healthy readings from healthd either, so I will
make a trip to the machine and check for myself.  I do  believe I would
probably get a call from the fire dept if these temps are correct.
  
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At 15:09 02-07-00 +0100, Lawrence Farr wrote:
>Or it just doesn't work with your mobo. Try healthd instead.
>Seems to work ok on my BP6, and tells me it's too hot!
>
>Jul  2 15:07:49 frogger healthd: A value of 53.00 for Chip Set Temperature
>with a range of (0.00 <= n <= 30.00)
>Jul  2 15:07:49 frogger healthd: A value of 50.50 for CPU #0 Temperature
>with a range of (10.00 <= n <= 30.00)
>Jul  2 15:07:49 frogger healthd: A value of 58.50 for CPU #1 Temperature
>with a range of (10.00 <= n <= 30.00)
>Jul  2 15:07:49 frogger healthd: A value of 1.52 for CPU #1 Core Voltage
>with a range of (1.95 <= n <= 2.05)
>
>Lawrence Farr
>EPC Direct Limited mailto:l.farr@epcdirect.co.uk
>T:01179666123 F:01179666111 M:07970780901
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>On Sun, 2 Jul 2000, Jim Weeks wrote:
>
>: having any trouble with this remote machine, but I believe it is running
>: a little warm.  This is the output from lmmon
>
>HOLY....<insert word here> A LITTLE warm? You have a talent for under
>statement. This is the output from my constantly loaded dual PIII 550
>server, note this server isn't cooled by any special means other then
>the normal CPU fans and case fan.
>
> Motherboard Temp               Voltages
>
> 38C / 100F / 311K         Vcore1:   +1.969V
>                           Vcore2:   +1.969V
>    Fan Speeds             + 3.3V:   +3.188V
>                           + 5.0V:   +4.801V
>    1:    0 rpm            +12.0V:  +12.375V
>    2: 4927 rpm            -12.0V:  -14.250V
>    3: 4787 rpm            - 5.0V:   -5.454V
>
>
>:  Motherboard Temp               Voltages
>:
>:  255C / 491F / 528K        Vcore1:   +3.984V
>:                            Vcore2:   +3.984V
>:     Fan Speeds             + 3.3V:   +3.984V
>:                            + 5.0V:   +6.654V
>:     1:    0 rpm            +12.0V:  +15.938V
>:     2:    0 rpm            -12.0V:  -15.938V
>:     3:    0 rpm            - 5.0V:   -6.654V
>:
>: This is a dual PII/400 Matsonic 440BX board running 3.4-stable.  Does any
>: one know what acceptable motherboard temp should be.
>
>Mine is also on a 440BX based board, more specifically a Tyan Tiger 100.
>If I recall right, most BIOS' are setup to shutdown at 79C. Either your
>sensor is completely on crack, or you have no fans working and your CPUs
>are running hot enough to melt half the material in the computer :)
>
>: Is there something that would give more detailed information
>: remotely i.e. cpu temps.

255C Hmmm... all bits on in the byte maybe? and a fan speed of zero. This
looks more like a sensing problem to me. Could be a clock failure to the
A/D and fan counter.





Rob Secombe (RS39-AU)
Engineering Director

Teksupport Pty. Ltd. 7 Warwick Avenue,
Springvale, Melbourne Australia 3171
Ph. +61 3 9562 4577 Fx. +61 3 9547 0320
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Hi Guys, howzit going ?

I have already mailed the fetchmail mailing list about this hassle, I'm
really desperate to sort out this problem and was wondering if anyone in
FreeBSD-ISP had experienced the same hassle before ?

I'm running fetchmail in Multiuser mode, what happens is that when a message
comes in with a large number of recipients (like a mailing list), it fails
to recognise some of the recipients as local, this is the error I get:

X-Fetchmail-Warning: no recipient addresses matched declared local names

When a mesage comes in with one recipient it works 100% and the user gets
his/her mail.

In the fetchmail FAQ's I saw that Sendmail needs have the following added to
its sendmail.cf:
(H?P?Delivered-To: $u)

and my .fetchmailrc file added with:
envelope `"Delivered-To:"'

Here is a copy of my .fetchmailrc file and part of my sendmail.cf showing
how I have added the above fixes:
 +++.fetchmailrc+++

poll mail.isp.com with protocol pop3:
no dns, aka mydomain1.com mydomain2.com mydomain3.com
`envelope "Delivered-To:"'
user myusername with password mypassword to seechoonparsad.shari :\
oosthuizen.josef pretorius.linda powell.russell :\
keartland.caron kendall.judith skinner.peter mann.michael debideen.kay :\
giles.lorraine hefer.frik horner.sue hyslop.pene lemon.broderic :\
cundill.petch vanbreda.michael suncouriers channon.bianca fouche.paul :\
diedericks.clinton laher.younus erasmus.paul vanderwestuizen.dick :\
vandermerwe.ruben oosthuizen.willem prinsloo.marinda hewison.lynne :\
basdew.shan eckstein.christina ngcobo.vivian vanwyk.dries munday.eddie :\
stuart.alistair goosen.raymond ghareeb.pradeep watson.sheen singh.shaveer :\
rowe.willie buchanan.james zeman.richard naidoo.ravi hefer.leonie

+++sendmail.cf+++

H?P?Return-Path: <$g>
HReceived: $?sfrom $s $.$?_($?s$|from $.$_)
        $.by $j ($v/$Z)$?r with $r$. id $i$?u
        for $u; $|;
        $.$b
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H?M?Resent-Message-Id: <$t.$i@$j>
H?M?Message-Id: <$t.$i@$j>
H?P?Delivered-To: $u

I have mydomain1.com, mydomain2.com and mydomain3.com declared as local
domains in my sendmail.cf.
As I mentioned earlier, when mail comes in for a couple of recipients (1->5)
it works perfectly, but when one of the users is part of a fairly large
mailing list         (5->30) then the hassle starts and that message is
dropped to postmaster (root).


Please help if you can, thanx 8-)
Thanx 8-)


Regards
Dave Wilson
The S.A. Internet
(033) 3456777
0825496159
http://www.sai.co.za

Regards
Dave Wilson
The S.A. Internet
(033) 3456777
0825496159
http://www.sai.co.za




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Greg Skouby wrote:
> 
> a lot of people use big brother (www.bb4.com) or another one that is less
> know but is very nice is sysmon which is available from puck.nether.net.
> 
tkined is also very nice tool (wwwhome.cs.utwente.nl/~schoenw/scotty
-- 
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Subject: Re: Network monitoring tool. Try Netsaint, a *service* monitoring  tool.
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En un mensaje anterior, Will Andrews escribió:
> On Sat, Jul 01, 2000 at 04:36:29PM -0300, Fernando Schapachnik wrote:
> > Thanks for the tip! I´ve looked at the demo page and sound just like what 
> > I was looking for. Does it compile/run under FreeBSD?
> 
> A friend of mine has been trying to make patches for it so that we can
> make it run out-of-the-box on FreeBSD (as well as make a port).
> 
> I'm going to have to talk to him to find out how far he's gotten.

Great! I would love to see them!
Thanks!



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On Mon, 3 Jul 2000, Dave Wilson wrote:

> Hi Guys, howzit going ?
> 
> I have already mailed the fetchmail mailing list about this hassle, I'm
> really desperate to sort out this problem and was wondering if anyone in
> FreeBSD-ISP had experienced the same hassle before ?
> 
> I'm running fetchmail in Multiuser mode, what happens is that when a message
> comes in with a large number of recipients (like a mailing list), it fails
> to recognise some of the recipients as local, this is the error I get:
> 
> X-Fetchmail-Warning: no recipient addresses matched declared local names

Not having looked at the source, I have a guess:
As it breaks on lists with many names, it could be a buffer which is too
short. 
Try inspecting the code for buffers which can be made larger.

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On Mon, 3 Jul 2000, Rob Secombe wrote:

> >:  Motherboard Temp               Voltages
> >:
> >:  255C / 491F / 528K        Vcore1:   +3.984V
> >:                            Vcore2:   +3.984V
> >:     Fan Speeds             + 3.3V:   +3.984V
> >:                            + 5.0V:   +6.654V
> >:     1:    0 rpm            +12.0V:  +15.938V
> >:     2:    0 rpm            -12.0V:  -15.938V
> >:     3:    0 rpm            - 5.0V:   -6.654V
 
> 255C Hmmm... all bits on in the byte maybe? and a fan speed of zero. This
> looks more like a sensing problem to me. Could be a clock failure to the
> A/D and fan counter.

This is partially right.  The problem with the reporting is that the bits
are set.  As to why I don't know.  I am glad that I went to the machine to
check this out though.  CPU0's fan had given up the ghost.  If the heat
sink had not been large with a lot of fins no doubt the PII would have
fried.

Before cracking it open I put a probe right in the top of the case and
recorded a temp of 148F which is above the shutdown limit of 140F.  I am
still surprised that everything else was functioning normally.  I replaced
the fan with one that did not have the monitor wire, the only one I could
find on short notice, and rebooted into the BIOS setup.  According to the
data in the bios everything, with the exception of the CPU0 fan speed, is
operating within acceptable limits.  I would assume since the data is
displayed correctly in the bios setup, clock failure should not be the
problem.

I still get the same data from "lmmon" and here is what I get from
healthd.

Jul 3 12:38:55 servername healthd: A value of 255.00 for Chip Set Temperature with a range of (0.00 <= n <= 30.00) 
Jul 3 12:38:55 servername healthd: A value of 0.00 for CPU #0 Temperature with a range of (10.00 <= n <= 30.00) 
Jul 3 12:38:55 servername healthd: A value of 0.00 for CPU #1 Temperature with a range of (10.00 <= n <= 30.00) 
Jul 3 12:38:55 servername healthd: A value of 0.00 for CPU #0 Cooling Fan with a range of (3000.00 <= n <= 9999.00) 
Jul 3 12:38:55 servername healthd: A value of 0.00 for CPU #1 Cooling Fan with a range of (3000.00 <= n <= 9999.00) 
Jul 3 12:38:55 servername healthd: A value of 0.00 for Case Fan Cooling Fan with a range of (3000.00 <= n <= 9999.00) 
Jul 3 12:38:55 servername healthd: A value of 4.08 for CPU #0 Core Voltage with a range of (1.95 <= n <= 2.05) 
Jul 3 12:38:55 servername healthd: A value of 4.08 for CPU #1 Core Voltage with a range of (1.95 <= n <= 2.05) 
Jul 3 12:38:55 servername healthd: A value of 4.08 for 3 Volt with a range of (2.50 <= n <= 3.50) 
Jul 3 12:38:55 servername healthd: A value of 6.85 for 5 Volt with a range of (4.50 <= n <= 5.40) 
Jul 3 12:38:55 servername healthd: A value of 15.50 for 12 Volt with a range of (11.00 <= n <= 13.00) 
Jul 3 12:38:55 servername healthd: A value of -14.16 for -12 Volt with a range of (-13.00 <= n <= -11.00) 
Jul 3 12:38:55 servername healthd: A value of -6.12 for -5 Volt with a range of (-5.50 <= n <= -4.50) 

Clearly not reporting corectly either.  Any ideas as to why the reporting
is not correct?

Thanks,
 
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Hi,

Those of you who have healthd working; do I have to enable anything in the kernel for it to work? I couldn't find README 
or INSTALL file for some reason. It compiles ok but when I run it it produces no output.

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I see that there is a healthdc (assuming it's a client), however, healthd won't go into background to serve requests.

-Simon

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>Hi,
>
>Those of you who have healthd working; do I have to enable anything in the kernel for it to work? I couldn't find 
README 
>or INSTALL file for some reason. It compiles ok but when I run it it produces no output.
>
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	Hail!

I've tried lmmon/heat/consolehm/healthd on L440GX+ with dual PIII-550 but
can't get mobo temperature and fans speed in both IO or SMBUS
mode in these utils :(
For example lmmon says:
 255C / 491F / 528K        Vcore1:   +3.984V
                           Vcore2:   +3.984V
    Fan Speeds             + 3.3V:   +3.984V
                           + 5.0V:   +6.654V
    1:    0 rpm            +12.0V:  +15.938V
    2:    0 rpm            -12.0V:  -15.938V
    3:    0 rpm            - 5.0V:   -6.654V

heat says:
You do not have a Winbond hardware monitoring chipset.
Your vendor ID code is: 0xFFFF

chm says:
Using ISA Method
----------------------------------------
Motherboard Temperature: 255 degrees C
CPU_0 Temperature: 0 degrees C
CPU_1 Temperature: 0 degrees C
VCore:   3.98438 V 
Vit:     3.98438 V 
Vio:     3.98438 V 
+5V:     6.65391 V 
+12V:    15.9375 V 
-12V:    -15.9375 V 
-5V:     -6.65391 V 
Fan 0: Not Available
Fan 1: Not Available
Fan 2: Not Available


*** WBR, Alexey Zakirov (frank@agava.com)



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I got it working :-), no need to reply.

PS: sorry for bothering you all.

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On Mon, 03 Jul 2000 14:50:12 -0500, Simon wrote:

>I see that there is a healthdc (assuming it's a client), however, healthd won't go into background to serve requests.
>
>-Simon
>
>On Mon, 03 Jul 2000 14:42:49 -0500, Simon wrote:
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>>Hi,
>>
>>Those of you who have healthd working; do I have to enable anything in the kernel for it to work? I couldn't find 
>README 
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>>
>>Thanks,
>>-Simon
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On Mon, 3 Jul 2000, Simon wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Those of you who have healthd working; do I have to enable anything in the kernel for it to work? I couldn't find README 
> or INSTALL file for some reason. It compiles ok but when I run it it produces no output.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Simon

I know that you have already fixed your problem, but for the sake of the
archive one needs to #cp /usr/local/etc/healthd.conf.sample to
/usr/local/etc/healthd.conf and make any appropriate changes.

With problems like this it is always a good idea to do #man healthd and
see what files are involved.

good luck,

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I am currently evaluating SSL enabled web servers and was wondering if I
could get some feedback on the following products...

Apache + OpenSSL
Apache + RavenSSL (http://www.covalent.net/raven/ssl/)
Stronghold (www.c2net.com)

Does anyone have experience with any of these products? Has anyone
implemented one and then switched to another?

I am also interested in SSL hardware accelerators such as the nFast from
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|"Max Clark" <max@ussearch.com> wrote:
| Apache + OpenSSL
| Apache + RavenSSL (http://www.covalent.net/raven/ssl/)
| Stronghold (www.c2net.com)
| 
| Does anyone have experience with any of these products? Has anyone
| implemented one and then switched to another?

We've been running Apache/mod_ssl/open_ssl for close to 18 months now. THe 
only caveat was that Verisign didn't know how to get us an SGC certificate 
(the old start at 40 bits and step up to 128 bits tech) but we found that they 
would do one for Stronghold, the commercial Apache port, and that was 
compatible.


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Hi,

What are people out there using for holding centralised login information?
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Max Clark wrote:
> 
> I am currently evaluating SSL enabled web servers and was wondering if I
> could get some feedback on the following products...
> 
> Apache + OpenSSL

	Not sure exactly what you mean by that one. Both the apache_ssl and
mod_ssl modules seem to rely on openssl to one extent or another. I've
got lots of experience with apache_ssl, and it works quite well for me.
The mod_ssl folks seem to have good stuff as well, and theirs is more
extensively documented. 

> Stronghold (www.c2net.com)

	We used stronghold for a little over a year before switching. It's a
good product, although if you're doing a lot of installations it's a
little difficult to break out of their "hand holding" mode of
installation. The folks at c2net are very professional, and they went
out of their way to help us customize their product to fit with our
special needs. Their product is basically apache + mod_ssl, combined
with some custom hacks to walk you through installation and maintenance. 
 
> Does anyone have experience with any of these products? Has anyone
> implemented one and then switched to another?

	Truth be told, I probably wouldn't have switched at all if not for the
fact that our new corporate parents didn't already have a well supported
ssl version of apache. Stronghold is a good product, and although their
license is expensive, you do get good quality for your money. If you
aren't totally comfortable with the nuances of SSL and think you might
need some support, I strongly recommend them. 

HTH,

Doug
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Folks,

I have been looking since long time I can't find something fits my need like
how hotmail and yahoo run, if you can help, mail me privately please we
could make a deal.

I saw webmail access to IMAP and POP3 accounts. only readers, don't create
accounts like hotmail and yahoo do.

Best Regards,

-Arabian aka Abdullah Bin Hamad
ArabChat IRC Network CEO.
http://www.ArabChat.Org
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I believe you emailed freebsd-questions the exact questions 2 weeks ago.
The answer I gave you was

Install FreeBSD
Install Apache
Configure Apache
Install AtDOT from www.atdot.org
If you wanted to create a hotmail like mode you need to configure sendmail.




On Wed, 05 Jul 2000, Arabian wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> I have been looking since long time I can't find something fits my need like
> how hotmail and yahoo run, if you can help, mail me privately please we
> could make a deal.
> 
> I saw webmail access to IMAP and POP3 accounts. only readers, don't create
> accounts like hotmail and yahoo do.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> -Arabian aka Abdullah Bin Hamad
> ArabChat IRC Network CEO.
> http://www.ArabChat.Org
> Arabian@ArabChat.Org
> 
> 
> 
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On Tue, Jul 04, 2000 at 03:07:08PM +0100, Andy Cowan wrote:

 > What are people out there using for holding centralised login information?
 > The objective is to allow a cluster of servers to authenticate against a
 > centralised database (using Radius, LDAP, or any other mechanism really).

God's Radius server:  http://www.open.com.au/radiator/

    - mark

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On 4 Jul 2000 10:08:46 -0400, in sentex.lists.freebsd.isp you wrote:

>Hi,
>
>What are people out there using for holding centralised login information?
>The objective is to allow a cluster of servers to authenticate against a
>centralised database (using Radius, LDAP, or any other mechanism really).

We are just converting over to Cistron RADIUS on a couple of main servers
to provide Authentication and Accounting.

	---Mike
Mike Tancsa  (mdtancsa@sentex.net)		
Sentex Communications Corp,   		
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Have you tried this site http://www.davecentral.com/mailclnt.html
I think Mailman is good too.





On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Arabian wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> I have been looking since long time I can't find something fits my need like
> how hotmail and yahoo run, if you can help, mail me privately please we
> could make a deal.
> 
> I saw webmail access to IMAP and POP3 accounts. only readers, don't create
> accounts like hotmail and yahoo do.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> -Arabian aka Abdullah Bin Hamad
> ArabChat IRC Network CEO.
> http://www.ArabChat.Org
> Arabian@ArabChat.Org
> 
> 
> 
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Andy Cowan wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> What are people out there using for holding centralised login information?
> The objective is to allow a cluster of servers to authenticate against a
> centralised database (using Radius, LDAP, or any other mechanism really).
> 
> A.
> 
> --
> Andy Cowan
> Managing Director
> Wave Rider Internet Ltd
> http://www.waverider.co.uk
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Radiator. We use it for everything from account logins to routers.

Bob
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You're using radiator for account logins?  How do you have it set up?  I was
giong to use pam_radius, but quickly discovered that PAM doesn't deal with
anything outside the username and password.  I would be very interested to
learn how you've managed to get other information such as $HOME and $SHELL
from radius.

-Troy

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** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Bob Martin
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**
**
** Andy Cowan wrote:
** >
** > Hi,
** >
** > What are people out there using for holding centralised login
** information?
** > The objective is to allow a cluster of servers to authenticate
** against a
** > centralised database (using Radius, LDAP, or any other
** mechanism really).
** >
** > A.
** >
** > --
** > Andy Cowan
** > Managing Director
** > Wave Rider Internet Ltd
** > http://www.waverider.co.uk
** >
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** Radiator. We use it for everything from account logins to routers.
**
** Bob
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** but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
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> > What are people out there using for holding centralised login
> information?
> > The objective is to allow a cluster of servers to authenticate against a
> > centralised database (using Radius, LDAP, or any other
> mechanism really).
> >
> Radiator. We use it for everything from account logins to routers.
>

But how do you tie radiator (or any other radius for that matter) to the OS,
so that when sendmail attempts to deliver, or qpopper tries to authenticate,
or apache looks up a users homedir - you get the picture....

How can you make the OS itself retrieve user info from Radius?

A.

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> You're using radiator for account logins?  How do you have it set
> up?  I was
> giong to use pam_radius, but quickly discovered that PAM doesn't deal with
> anything outside the username and password.  I would be very interested to
> learn how you've managed to get other information such as $HOME and $SHELL
> from radius.
>

This is what I thought - you needed an nsswitch mechanism to do things this
way, and FreeBSD hasn't got one.

A.

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Andy,

At my last job, we used custom script to distribute an edited password file
to other machines when needed (at 5 minute intervals).  Not a perfect
solution, but it worked well enough.

Another option, is to use NIS.  See /var/yp/Makefile.dist for details.

--
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** Subject: RE: Centralised user information
**
**
** > > What are people out there using for holding centralised login
** > information?
** > > The objective is to allow a cluster of servers to
** authenticate against a
** > > centralised database (using Radius, LDAP, or any other
** > mechanism really).
** > >
** > Radiator. We use it for everything from account logins to routers.
** >
**
** But how do you tie radiator (or any other radius for that
** matter) to the OS,
** so that when sendmail attempts to deliver, or qpopper tries to
** authenticate,
** or apache looks up a users homedir - you get the picture....
**
** How can you make the OS itself retrieve user info from Radius?
**
** A.
**
** --
** Andy Cowan
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> At my last job, we used custom script to distribute an edited
> password file
> to other machines when needed (at 5 minute intervals).  Not a perfect
> solution, but it worked well enough.
>

Which is what we're anticipating doing. As you say, not perfect....

> Another option, is to use NIS.  See /var/yp/Makefile.dist for details.
>

I thought there were security concerns with NIS. If not, I'd be happy to use
it.

A.

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>  > You're using radiator for account logins?  How do you have it set
>>  up?  I was
>>  giong to use pam_radius, but quickly discovered that PAM doesn't deal with
>>  anything outside the username and password.  I would be very interested to
>>  learn how you've managed to get other information such as $HOME and $SHELL
>>  from radius.
>>
>
>This is what I thought - you needed an nsswitch mechanism to do things this
>way, and FreeBSD hasn't got one.
>
>A.
We avoid sys users like the plague here. For hosting and such we 
store the user in PostGres. Onec that is done Radiator can access 
them and ProFTP can access them and CHROOT them into their home dirs. 
YOu could also get Apache to auth against the PostGres database and 
mailservers is not a prob either.
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I only briefly experimented with NIS.  At the time, I also had concerns
about security.  I don't know how much good it did, but I blocked the
rpc port at my borders to keep intruders out.  (perhaps there's other
ports that can be blocked out).

Honestly, if I had it all to do over again, all my servers would be
placed behind a fairly strict firewall, only allowing access to those
ports necessary to get the job done, keeping everything else (dialup,
routers, and office workstations) on seperate subnets/segments.  I never
got burned, but I've learned a lot over the last 5 years I've been doing
this stuff.

G'luck,

-Troy

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From: "Andy Cowan" <andyc@waverider.net.uk>
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:07:50 +0100

>> At my last job, we used custom script to distribute an edited
>> password file
>> to other machines when needed (at 5 minute intervals).  Not a perfect
>> solution, but it worked well enough.
>>
>
>Which is what we're anticipating doing. As you say, not perfect....
>
>> Another option, is to use NIS.  See /var/yp/Makefile.dist for details.
>>
>
>I thought there were security concerns with NIS. If not, I'd be happy
to use
>it.
>
>A.
>
>--
>Andy Cowan
>Managing Director
>Wave Rider Internet Ltd
>http://www.waverider.co.uk
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Andy Cowan wrote:
> 
> > At my last job, we used custom script to distribute an edited
> > password file
> > to other machines when needed (at 5 minute intervals).  Not a perfect
> > solution, but it worked well enough.
> >
> 
> Which is what we're anticipating doing. As you say, not perfect....
> 
> > Another option, is to use NIS.  See /var/yp/Makefile.dist for details.
> >
> 
> I thought there were security concerns with NIS. If not, I'd be happy to use
> it.

I understood the problems were fixed with NIS+.

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I added a device to our Radius 'clients' file.  Do I need to restart the =
Radius daemon for the changes to take affect.  If so, how do I restart =
it.  Can I just do a kill -HUP on the pid?  I notice there are 2 =
processes running as follows:

 2454 con- S      1:37.60 /usr/local/pcs/radius/radiusd -p 1645 -a =
/var/log/r
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I added a device to our Radius =
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** We avoid sys users like the plague here. For hosting and such we
** store the user in PostGres. Onec that is done Radiator can access
** them and ProFTP can access them and CHROOT them into their home dirs.
** YOu could also get Apache to auth against the PostGres database and
** mailservers is not a prob either.

What are you doing about mail?

At one time, I had Postfix and Cyrus 1.5.something working against a MySQL
database, but the creation of Cyrus mailboxes was not automatic (severe
PITA).  I haven't seen any other reasonable POP3/IMAP combo that can auth
through a database at all, so I'm kinda stuck.

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On Wed, Jul 05, 2000 at 11:34:17AM -0700, Paul D Kruse wrote:
> I added a device to our Radius 'clients' file.  Do I need to 
> restart the Radius daemon for the changes to take affect.  If 
> so, how do I restart it.  Can I just do a kill -HUP on the 
> pid?  I notice there are 2 processes running as follows:
> 
>  2454 con- S      1:37.60 /usr/local/pcs/radius/radiusd -p 1645 -a /var/log/r
>  2461 con- S      2:25.06 /usr/local/pcs/radius/radiusd -p 1645 -a /var/log/r

One for authentication, one for accounting, I think.

I always 'killall -SIGHUP radiusd' or some such to get both.

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>** We avoid sys users like the plague here. For hosting and such we
>** store the user in PostGres. Onec that is done Radiator can access
>** them and ProFTP can access them and CHROOT them into their home dirs.
>** YOu could also get Apache to auth against the PostGres database and
>** mailservers is not a prob either.
>
>What are you doing about mail?
>
>At one time, I had Postfix and Cyrus 1.5.something working against a MySQL
>database, but the creation of Cyrus mailboxes was not automatic (severe
>PITA).  I haven't seen any other reasonable POP3/IMAP combo that can auth
>through a database at all, so I'm kinda stuck.
>
>-Troy


Well you can run Postfix against Postgres I think. We have just 
bought Joydesk for a free mailservice that we are rolling out, which 
will auth against any SQL db. Its primary dev platform is on FreeBSD 
and its pretty well tested. See http://www.joydesk.com. MY present 
mailserver is CommuniGate pro http://www.stalker.com/CGatePro.html 
which is one of the best servers I have ever seen and now can auth 
against LDAP. This is very beautifull in that you can define Domain 
Level Admins and just set the limits on a per domain basis and let 
the domain owner add/delete accounts and all that stuff and not care 
about what and how many accounts each domain has. It has saved us 
many man hours in setup of email here.
-- 


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David,

You can install it from /stand/sysinstall under custom -> distributions -> custom -> crypto

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Im having a problem with frontpage extensions. 

  

It says that it requires DES libs, but I cant find out where to install them from. 

Ive seen various ways to find out if DES is installed on your system, but I cant find libdes 

  

Help! 

  

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David Dollar 

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You can install it from /stand/sysinstall under custom -&gt; distributions -&gt; custom -&gt; crypto<BR>
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<FONT COLOR=00000b><B><FONT FACE="Tahoma">Im having a problem with frontpage extensions.<FONT COLOR=000000 DEFAULT="COLOR"></B><FONT FACE="MS Shell Dlg" DEFAULT="FACE"> <BR>
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From: "David Dollar" <ddollar@annuvin.com>
> I'm having a problem with frontpage extensions.
>
> It says that it requires DES libs, but I can't find out where to install
> them from.
> I've seen various ways to find out if DES is installed on your system, but I
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The FrontPage Extensions require an apache server built with the descrypt library.

This library is part of the FreeBSD crypto sources.  There are several ways to obtain this library:

1. CVSUP and make world

    add one of the following to your cvsup file:


        FreeBSD 3.x:

        #uncomment if retrieving sources from outside US/CA
        #*default  host=internat.freebsd.org
        src-crypto
        src-secure

        FreeBSD 4.x:

        #uncomment if retrieving sources from outside US/CA
        #*default  host=internat.freebsd.org
        cvs-crypto

    Then do the following:

        make update
        make world

    NOTE: you may want to set NODESCRYPTLINKS in your make.conf,
               depending on if you want des/md5 passwords.

2.  Obtain the pre-built libraries from the RELEASE/SNAP distribution:

    FreeBSD 3.x:

    1. Obtain the des.?? files from the des directory of the distribution.
    2. As root, extract the libdescrypt.* libraries into /usr/lib.

        cat des.?? | tar -C / -xpzvf - usr/lib/libdescrypt.*

    FreeBSD 4.x:

    1. Obtain the crypto.?? files from the crypto directory of the distribution.
    2. As root, extract the libdescrypt.* libraries into /usr/lib.

        cat crypto.?? | tar -C / -xpzvf - usr/lib/libdescrypt.*


Also, the FreeBSD apache13-fp port is currently broken due to the recent upgrade of the fp exts by Microsoft/RTR.  A patch has been
submitted to fix the problem, but it hasn't been applied.

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you could easily write a shell or perl script that will page you if
your pager has an e-mail address.


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> Does anyone know of any pager software that will alert a
> numeric/alphanumeric pager when it goes down or something
> of that nature? I would like to implement such a program
> on my systems for my own personal use.
>
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I have a numeric pager, that's the problem.

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On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, J Peltier wrote:

> you could easily write a shell or perl script that will page you if
> your pager has an e-mail address.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
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> 
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> > numeric/alphanumeric pager when it goes down or something
> > of that nature? I would like to implement such a program
> > on my systems for my own personal use.
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Today Jonathan M. Slivko wrote:

> Does anyone know of any pager software that will alert a
> numeric/alphanumeric pager when it goes down or something 
> of that nature? I would like to implement such a program
> on my systems for my own personal use. 

Big Brother (/usr/ports/net/bb [http://bb4.net for a newer
version]) can do it through kermit.

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On Wed, Jul 05, 2000 at 10:26:07PM -0400, jack wrote:

> Big Brother (/usr/ports/net/bb [http://bb4.net for a newer
> version]) can do it through kermit.

Er, yeah. I guess I should update that port..

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Bill, I guess so ;)

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On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Bill Fumerola wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 05, 2000 at 10:26:07PM -0400, jack wrote:
> 
> > Big Brother (/usr/ports/net/bb [http://bb4.net for a newer
> > version]) can do it through kermit.
> 
> Er, yeah. I guess I should update that port..
> 
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On Wed, Jul 05, 2000 at 08:29:58PM -0600, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote:
> Bill, I guess so ;)
> 
> On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Bill Fumerola wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Jul 05, 2000 at 10:26:07PM -0400, jack wrote:
> > 
> > > Big Brother (/usr/ports/net/bb [http://bb4.net for a newer
> > > version]) can do it through kermit.
> > 
> > Er, yeah. I guess I should update that port..


Well, I took maintainership over and haven't touched it sense.

Patches welcome. :->

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On Wed, Jul 05, 2000 at 05:54:16PM -0600, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote:
> Does anyone know of any pager software that will alert a
> numeric/alphanumeric pager when it goes down or something 
> of that nature? I would like to implement such a program
> on my systems for my own personal use. 

I have used both sendpage and qpage; both build well.  Sendpage
makes some interesting descions about ioctl setting for the serial
line, which blinds it to most modems. :/

I've posted to the qmail list simple methods for email-to-pager
gateways.

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From owner-freebsd-isp  Wed Jul  5 22:44:17 2000
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hi,

is there a PAM MySQL or LDAP module out there? is the UoW IMAP port 
pamified?

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hi, there!

On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Francis A. Vidal wrote:

> is there a PAM MySQL or LDAP module out there

http://www.padl.com/projects.html

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Bill asked me to forward this to the list.

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On Thu, Jul 06, 2000 at 09:45:11AM -0500, Thus Spake Cam Johnson:

> You referred to an iNTEL 1100 in a response to the FreeBSD-ISP
> news group earlier this week. I'm interested in this board but I
> can't find any reference to it on the Intel Web Page. Is this a
> prototype or is the model number a typo?

It is not a board.  It is a complete fully functional 1RU unit with
two 10/1000 NIC cards, and a BIOS which redirectes the output to
the serial port on bootup, so that you never have to have a video
card.

Let me go to the iNTEL site right now to get the pointer.

The exact model number is the  ISP1100.

Both the 1RU (1100) and the 2RU (ISP2150) are listed under
http://www.intel.com/network/products/internet_servers.htm

It's not easy to find at first unless you have the URL.

Intel's site says the 1100 is designed for dedicated hosting and
the 2150 is for shared hosting.  The latter is a 2 CPU machine.

ISTR that there is a model coming to replace the 2150 that will
have the BIOS serial redirect features of the 1100, as the current
2150 has an intergrated SVGA graphics board.

The BIOS redirect is one of the main features we went with the
1100.  There is a video card manufacturer in Canada, whose name I
have forgotten, which makes a video card that redirect the BIOS to
the serial output on bootup.   Not having to have a monitor to
change BIOS settings is a major plus IMO.

Bill.

p.s. - Would you repost this to the ISP list.  This machine - my
home machine - is currently connected through a provider that does
not reverse the IPs and thus posts from this machine are rejected,
and I don't have the time to telnet to the machine where I can post
from at the moment.  Thanks.

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Hello,

	rbash-2.04$ uname -a 
FreeBSD XXXXXXXXX 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Wed Jul  5 17:34:13 CDT 2000     root@XXXXXX:/usr/src/sys/compile/BEAST  i386

I'm having a little trouble with accounting on FreeBSD 4.0 Stable.  I'm getting
everything to work in /etc/login.conf except for sessionlimit.  Here is a
little run down of what I did.  Maybee this could be the beginnings of a
HOWTO?

1.)  Add a line in /etc/rc.conf

	snoopie# grep acc /etc/rc.conf
	accounting_enable="YES"

2.)  Add a user called "test" and put him in a class called "shell"

	adduser test

	test:don'tworryaboutit:1500:1500:shell:0:0:TEST Person:
	(all one line)			/home/test:/usr/local/bin/rbash

3.)  Edit /etc/login.conf


shell|Shell Account Class:\
        :copyright=/etc/COPYRIGHT:\
        :accounted:\
        :welcome=/etc/motd:\
        :setenv=MAIL=/var/mail/$,BLOCKSIZE=K,FTP_PASSIVE_MODE=YES:\
        :path=/bin /usr/bin /usr/games /usr/local/bin /usr/X11R6/bin ~/bin:\
        :nologin=/etc/nologin:\
        :cputime=unlimited:\
        :datasize=5m:\
        :stacksize=5m:\
        :memorylocked=5m:\
        :memoryuse=5m:\
        :filesize=50m:\
        :coredumpsize=1m:\
        :openfiles=10:\
        :maxproc=14:\
        :sbsize=unlimited:\
        :priority=5:\
        :umask=022:
        :requirehome:\
        :refreshtime=2m:\
        :idletime=10m:\
        :shell=/usr/local/bin/rbash:\
        :warntime=1m:\
        :sessionlimit=1:

4.)  Update the database

	cap_mkdb /etc/login.conf

5.)  Reboot.  And away we go..

6.)  Darn it, it dosen't work..

I think it may have something to do with the duration of time between
checks by acc, but I'm not sure.  Please let me know if I'm doing something 
wrong.  Thank you for your time.


					Eric Brueggmann
					Jr Admin IBM@ComEd



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> Does anyone know of load balancing software for FreeBSD (i.e. make a
> number of machines look like one machine)?  Thanks...


I have some plans to implement a load balancer a-la Cisco LocalDirector
for FreeBSD, but this requires one machine to sit between clients
and servers. Not sure when it will be ready as I have not found
a sponsor for this project yet.

Windows2000 seems to use a fully sw solution  with a
distributed algorithm for allocation but i am still a bit
unclear on some details...

	cheers
	luigi

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In the last episode (Jul 06), Eric Brueggmann said:
> Hello,
> 
> 	rbash-2.04$ uname -a 
> FreeBSD XXXXXXXXX 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Wed Jul  5 17:34:13 CDT 2000     root@XXXXXX:/usr/src/sys/compile/BEAST  i386
> 
> I'm having a little trouble with accounting on FreeBSD 4.0 Stable. 
> I'm getting everything to work in /etc/login.conf except for
> sessionlimit.  Here is a little run down of what I did.  Maybee this
> could be the beginnings of a HOWTO?
> 
> 1.)  Add a line in /etc/rc.conf
> 
> 	snoopie# grep acc /etc/rc.conf
> 	accounting_enable="YES"
> 
> 6.)  Darn it, it dosen't work..

What doesn't work?  Is /var/account/acct not being touched?  Does
lastcomm not show the commands?  That's all process accounting does.

If you want to limit how long people can stay logged in, try
ports/sysutils/idled.

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On Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:41:46 +0200 (CEST), Luigi Rizzo <luigi@info.iet.unipi.it> said:

Luigi> I have some plans to implement a load balancer a-la Cisco
Luigi> LocalDirector for FreeBSD, but this requires one machine to sit
Luigi> between clients and servers.

Problem with having a single machine as the balancer is that you
inject a single point of failure.  IMHO the balancer must support some
kind of failover to a twin balancer box, or better, share load between
the two balancers if they're both up.

DJB's djbdns (aka "dnscache" suite) claims to do something like this
with DNS but I don't believe it checks server health at the
application layer, which IMHO it must if it's to be used as for fault
tolerance at minimum, balancing at best.


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> Luigi> I have some plans to implement a load balancer a-la Cisco
> Luigi> LocalDirector for FreeBSD, but this requires one machine to sit
> Luigi> between clients and servers.
> 
> Problem with having a single machine as the balancer is that you
> inject a single point of failure.  IMHO the balancer must support some
> kind of failover to a twin balancer box, or better, share load between
> the two balancers if they're both up.

having a machine acting as hot-backup is trivial as long as
you tolerate that during the crash recovery (an unlikely event)
all active sessions will drop and need to restart.

The "better" solution (of sharing load among balancers) comes too close
to using a fully distributed solution for which i am afraid i
do not have in mind a solution that can give good fairness (in
terms of load distribution among the servers) and scalability.

	cheers
	luigi
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> having a machine acting as hot-backup is trivial as long as
> you tolerate that during the crash recovery (an unlikely event)
> all active sessions will drop and need to restart.

I'm very interested in hearing such a solution. The point where we're
failing here is the following one: one SERVICE (not the complete box)
of the box goes down. IP itself stays up. Now the hotspare should jump
in and take the IP over but how are you going to protect the network
from being screwed up by two identical IP addresses? I'd really
appreciate it if one could explain me how to solve this problem (IP
takeover with completely failed boxes is easy).

One possible solution would be that one: each box can do a hardware
reset of it's twin (connect it's reset switch to the other one) but
this one brings some rather bad security issues with it (not to
mention the problem of not shutting down the system correctly...[1])
If one box get's hacked, the attacker can reboot the other one possibly causing
it to fail...




Best regards,
 Gabriel
[1] With regard to this point, I'd be really interested in the
softupdate stuff. However, I didn't manage to find any manpages about
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> What doesn't work?  Is /var/account/acct not being touched?  Does
> lastcomm not show the commands?  That's all process accounting does.
>
> If you want to limit how long people can stay logged in, try
> ports/sysutils/idled.
>
> -- 
>        Dan Nelson
>        dnelson@emsphone.com

Hello,

	I apologize, I'm a little confused on what accounting is.  As far
as I can tell, it just accounts for all the CPU time on a per process basis.
I thought accounting was responsible for "sessionlimit" (ie: # of logins
per user) too.  Thank you for clarifying that for me.  I'm still stuck on
my original problem though:  anyone in the class "shell" is able to
login more than once, is there something that I'm missing below?

					Thanks for your help,
					Eric B.


1.)  Add a user called "test" and put him in a class called "shell"

        adduser test

        test:don'tworryaboutit:1500:1500:shell:0:0:TEST Person:
        (all one line)                  /home/test:/usr/local/bin/rbash

2.)  Edit /etc/login.conf

shell|Shell Account Class:\
        :copyright=/etc/COPYRIGHT:\
        :accounted:\
        :welcome=/etc/motd:\
        :setenv=MAIL=~/.INBOX,BLOCKSIZE=K,FTP_PASSIVE_MODE=YES:\
        :path=/bin /usr/bin /usr/games /usr/local/bin /usr/X11R6/bin ~/bin:\
        :nologin=/etc/nologin:\
        :cputime=unlimited:\
        :datasize=5m:\
        :stacksize=5m:\
        :memorylocked=5m:\
        :memoryuse=5m:\
        :filesize=50m:\
        :coredumpsize=1m:\
        :openfiles=10:\
        :maxproc=14:\
        :sbsize=unlimited:\
        :sessionlimit=1:\
        :umask=022:\
        :requirehome:\
        :refreshtime=2m:\
        :idletime=10m:\
        :shell=/usr/local/bin/rbash:\
        :warnexpire=7d:\
        :expireperiod=180d:\
        :graceexpire=7d:\
        :autodelete=30d:\
        :gracetime=10m:\
        :warntime=1m:\
        :priority=5:

3.)  Update the database

        cap_mkdb /etc/login.conf

4.)  Reboot.  And away we go..


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> I'm very interested in hearing such a solution. The point where we're
> failing here is the following one: one SERVICE (not the complete box)
> of the box goes down. IP itself stays up. Now the hotspare should jump
> in and take the IP over but how are you going to protect the network
> from being screwed up by two identical IP addresses? I'd really
> appreciate it if one could explain me how to solve this problem (IP
> takeover with completely failed boxes is easy).

Simple, don't advertise to the world the *real* IP addresses.
Use IP aliases.

If the box is faulty but still pingable with the IP alias, 
log into the box, shutdown the alias.  Next, turn the alias
on, on the other box.

This implies that there will be something that can
 1: babysit and monitor
 2: capable of logging in and running ifconfig 
 3: Advertise to your clients, the IP alias to connect to.
    this leaves you free to move that alias to any box
    on the same network.

I do it at work all the time.  Works great.  I've written scripts
to keep it automatic but am not allowed to distribute them (sorry).
The task itself wasn't that hard.  In our case, we don't bother with
having the administrive box (babysitter) redundant; if it fails, the
failover itself stops working.  Meanwhile, we get paged, and fix the admin
box in <15 minutes, leaving a small window where failover won't happen
where it should have.  Despite lacking failover, the IP alias will still
be taking client traffic on its own.

Note that this method is low tech, and doesn't cover geographical
diversity, etc.  It just helps make sure that at the location, you can
always make sure that the IP address given to customers, is on _a_ box
that can do the job.




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> Simple, don't advertise to the world the *real* IP addresses.
> Use IP aliases.

I would have done that anyway as I want to have the boxes available
for remote fixing.


> If the box is faulty but still pingable with the IP alias, 
> log into the box, shutdown the alias.  Next, turn the alias
> on, on the other box.

What if it's pingable, but ssh failed? And how do you solve the
problems of needing root access to kill the alias? I don't want to
supply an attacker with the root passwords for the another box if he
cracks one of a pair... RSA authentication isn't better for that
matter.

> This implies that there will be something that can
>  1: babysit and monitor

Clear. Easy enough.


>  2: capable of logging in and running ifconfig

Hard. See above.

>  
>  3: Advertise to your clients, the IP alias to connect to.
>     this leaves you free to move that alias to any box
>     on the same network.

Nothing to worry about. Just give the boxes other 'native' IPs than
the ones you use in your DNS to point to the production ones (s.a.)


> Note that this method is low tech, and doesn't cover geographical
> diversity, etc.

For that one, go to http://www.eddieware.org. It looks quite
impressive but I couldn't afford the time to test it yet. Plus I still
don't know how they realize their IP takeover for the frontend boxes.





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In the last episode (Jul 07), Eric Brueggmann said:
> 
> > What doesn't work?  Is /var/account/acct not being touched?  Does
> > lastcomm not show the commands?  That's all process accounting does.
> >
> > If you want to limit how long people can stay logged in, try
> > ports/sysutils/idled.
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 	I apologize, I'm a little confused on what accounting is.  As far
> as I can tell, it just accounts for all the CPU time on a per process
> basis. I thought accounting was responsible for "sessionlimit" (ie: #
> of logins per user) too.  Thank you for clarifying that for me.  I'm
> still stuck on my original problem though: anyone in the class
> "shell" is able to login more than once, is there something that I'm
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The only thing missing is the section in the manpage mentioning that
most of the login.conf variables are unimplemented :) 

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On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:

> > having a machine acting as hot-backup is trivial as long as
> > you tolerate that during the crash recovery (an unlikely event)
> > all active sessions will drop and need to restart.
> 
> I'm very interested in hearing such a solution. The point where we're
> failing here is the following one: one SERVICE (not the complete box)
> of the box goes down. IP itself stays up. Now the hotspare should jump
> in and take the IP over but how are you going to protect the network
> from being screwed up by two identical IP addresses? I'd really
> appreciate it if one could explain me how to solve this problem (IP
> takeover with completely failed boxes is easy).

Let's see:

+----------+ 10.0.0.1 (main)     |
| box A    |=====================|
+--+-------+ 10.0.1.1 (diag)     |
   |1.1.1.1                      |
   |                             |
   | heartbeat                   |
   |                             |
   |1.1.1.2                      |
+--+-------+ (10.0.0.1) (main)   |
| box B    |=====================|
+----------+ 10.0.1.2 (diag)     |

On both machines you should run monitoring software that checks the health
of the machine and/or service. One of the things it needs to check is the
heartbeat (it can be as simple as pinging, although a message exchange
would be better). The software should allow you to set up criteria for
switchover, like:

Box A:
* monitor health (apps/OS). If sick, start switchover on
  other machine, shut down main interface (e.g. delete
  address, remove MAC) and kill the service.

Box B:
* if no heartbeat, check over diag interface
* if no response over diag, assume the other box is dead and go active.
  This includes configuring MAC/IP address.
* also, if the other box tells you so, go active after specified timeout
  (to give box A a chance of shutting down gracefully)

Optionally, you can involve third machine that can monitor and manage
the whole cluster. Also optionally, you can have a watchdog in each
machine to eliminate situations when IP stays up, but the machine is
wedged anyway.

Hacking up something like that is about a week/two of work (I've done this
for my employer), but setting up the environment to work properly is not a
trivial task - you really need to understand the specifics and behaviour
of the OS and monitored applications, adjust various timeouts, add some
heuristics, spit up three times over your shoulder etc...

If you take a look at commercial packages of this type, they do exactly
this - it's usually just a bunch of shell scripts, some small utils, plus
about a week of work for highly skilled (and expensive) consultant.

Andrzej Bialecki

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> What if it's pingable, but ssh failed? And how do you solve the

Where we work, we do it with a simple inetd daemon that understasnds
simple commands (no ssh, very limited command set, and protected by
firewall).  If the box is up *at all*, that functionality
has also been up.  We've been fortunate.  Otherwise, we'd have our pagers
going nuts, and we would use a console to get to the machine [all hosts
have consoles hooked up via terminal servers].

One could make the IP changing interface as simple or complex as deemed
fit, for the application they will fill.  If they are loose on the net
without good firewalls (likely if on a budget) then SSH would probably be
the only way.  I'd use SSH with *restrictions* - have SSH only permit
specific commands to be ran via the rsa key.  Or, use non-privileged
accounts for ssh'ing, and allow the non-priv account access to
ifconfig.  Really, its up to the end site to figure out how far they need
to go.

One could even arguable have the baby sitter box use serial cables to log
in via console and do the job..

Have fun :-).




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>> If the box is faulty but still pingable with the IP alias, 
>> log into the box, shutdown the alias.  Next, turn the alias
>> on, on the other box.
>
>What if it's pingable, but ssh failed? And how do you solve the
>problems of needing root access to kill the alias? I don't want to
>supply an attacker with the root passwords for the another box if he
>cracks one of a pair... RSA authentication isn't better for that
>matter.

I have a friend who solved that with an X10 kit.  If his servers can't be 
contacted through ssh then he just turns off the power to it so another
can take over the IP. It stays off until he has a change to go in and fix
it. (Or he can choose to power it back on remotely and see if it comes
back up correctly.)

-Sean


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> What if it's pingable, but ssh failed? And how do you solve the
> problems of needing root access to kill the alias? I don't want to
> supply an attacker with the root passwords for the another box if he
> cracks one of a pair... RSA authentication isn't better for that
> matter.

you can have it behind a nat box, that monitors the services, the moment
anything stop working, you just rewrite its real ip to another box and
everything fails over.

this ofcource leave you with a nat box again to failover.


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I would cross connect a console between the two computers for matters like
these.  As long as one is up you can gain access through the console on the
other,  That way if it has comeup in singlie user mode or is caught running
fsck you can have total access without using anything but the console.  I
learned that from Adrian.

-=Bill


schluntz@timberwolf.workofstone.net wrote:

> >> If the box is faulty but still pingable with the IP alias,
> >> log into the box, shutdown the alias.  Next, turn the alias
> >> on, on the other box.
> >
> >What if it's pingable, but ssh failed? And how do you solve the
> >problems of needing root access to kill the alias? I don't want to
> >supply an attacker with the root passwords for the another box if he
> >cracks one of a pair... RSA authentication isn't better for that
> >matter.
>
> I have a friend who solved that with an X10 kit.  If his servers can't be
> contacted through ssh then he just turns off the power to it so another
> can take over the IP. It stays off until he has a change to go in and fix
> it. (Or he can choose to power it back on remotely and see if it comes
> back up correctly.)
>
> -Sean
>
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Hello R.I.Pienaar,

Saturday, July 08, 2000, 11:26:06 AM, you wrote:
> this ofcource leave you with a nat box again to failover.

That's exactly where the whole problem lies (well, I didn't intend to
use real NAT but just some forwarding rules...)... I think I'll modify
two boxes so they can reset eachother and leave them without any
remote control services.




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On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, R.I.Pienaar wrote:

> > What if it's pingable, but ssh failed? And how do you solve the
> > problems of needing root access to kill the alias? I don't want to
> > supply an attacker with the root passwords for the another box if he
> > cracks one of a pair... RSA authentication isn't better for that
> > matter.
> 
> you can have it behind a nat box, that monitors the services, the moment
> anything stop working, you just rewrite its real ip to another box and
> everything fails over.
> 
> this ofcource leave you with a nat box again to failover.


  Foundry Networks makes a load-balancer box that is able to keep itself
synced with another unit for both fail-over and load-balancing.  The unit
balances requests to whatever backend servers you have, and if one of the
backend servers croaks, the Foundry unit stops sending requests to it.
This solution give you complete backend and frontend redunancy.

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On Sat Jul 08, 2000 at 08:58:17AM -0700, Tom Samplonius wrote:
> 
>   Foundry Networks makes a load-balancer box that is able to keep itself
> synced with another unit for both fail-over and load-balancing.  The unit
> balances requests to whatever backend servers you have, and if one of the
> backend servers croaks, the Foundry unit stops sending requests to it.
> This solution give you complete backend and frontend redunancy.

how does it monitor the boxes behind the load blanacer, when does it find out
that your box died and its ment to failover?


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>On Sat Jul 08, 2000 at 08:58:17AM -0700, Tom Samplonius wrote:
>>
>>    Foundry Networks makes a load-balancer box that is able to keep itself
>>  synced with another unit for both fail-over and load-balancing.  The unit
>>  balances requests to whatever backend servers you have, and if one of the
>>  backend servers croaks, the Foundry unit stops sending requests to it.
>>  This solution give you complete backend and frontend redunancy.
>
>how does it monitor the boxes behind the load blanacer, when does it find out
>that your box died and its ment to failover?


It pings it I guess. The Altheons boxes monitor the backends on a port level.
Good software solutions are Polyserve Understudy and Zeus Load balancer
http://www.zeus.com/products/lb1/

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We use DNS with TTL=1 sec on our system for load balancing.
If one of servers goes down, traffic is arranged on the rests
approximately for 20 s.

http://server1.flyinghosting.com/mrtg/
http://www.hostonfly.com/cgi-bin/sload.cgi

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Dual PIII450, 512 MB RAM, SCSI

Best regards,
 Dmitry Koltsov
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 mailto:root@hostonfly.com

ÓÕÂÂÏÔÁ, 8 ÉÀÌÑ 2000 Ç., you wrote to me:

S> Hey,

S> I'm really curious what hardware this box got: http://server4.flyinghosting.com/mrtg/server4.flyinghosting.com.1.html

S> If not a secret, I would appreciate the specs.

S> Thanks much,
S> Simon

S> On Sat, 8 Jul 2000 20:34:24 +0400, Dmitry Koltsov wrote:

>>We use DNS with TTL=1 sec on our system for load balancing.
>>If one of servers goes down, traffic is arranged on the rests
>>approximately for 20 s.
>>
>>http://server1.flyinghosting.com/mrtg/
>>http://www.hostonfly.com/cgi-bin/sload.cgi
>>
>>Best regards,
>> Dmitry Koltsov
>> Host On Fly S.A.
>> mailto:root@hostonfly.com
>>
>>
>>
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Tipical uptime for our servers is 2-3 mohths. but 95% Ïf reboots is
result of updating software ;-)
Aand now we have some problems with speed of hdd on our
file-server(NFS).As result - small short fails of the system which you can see on mrtg.
We correct it soon.


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S> Hello again,

S> Can you please tell me a little bit about the SCSI drives you use (brand, speed, how many, etc..) what's the avg. TPS 
S> from iostat like? Do they ever fail? if so, how often? what's the uptime like on the box? The reason for me asking all this 
S> is because I'm gonna run pretty much the same boxes soon using FreeBSD. Thus, I'm trying to gather as much info as 
S> possible.

S> Thanks,
S> -Simon




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On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, R.I.Pienaar wrote:

> On Sat Jul 08, 2000 at 08:58:17AM -0700, Tom Samplonius wrote:
> > 
> >   Foundry Networks makes a load-balancer box that is able to keep itself
> > synced with another unit for both fail-over and load-balancing.  The unit
> > balances requests to whatever backend servers you have, and if one of the
> > backend servers croaks, the Foundry unit stops sending requests to it.
> > This solution give you complete backend and frontend redunancy.
> 
> how does it monitor the boxes behind the load blanacer, when does it find out
> that your box died and its ment to failover?

  Because the backend server will no longer respond!  Remember
load-balancers are just fancy NAT boxes.  If a request is translated, and
there is no response, the server is dead.  Load-balances like those from
Foundry Networks also measure the response time.  If a particular backend
server starts to respond more slowly, the load-balancer will give it less
requests.

Tom



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I have log_in_vain set in my rc.conf file. Ever since doing this
I have witnessed
all sorts of connection attempts to port 113, here are some
examples;
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
216.190.128.200:2132
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
216.190.128.200:2133
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
130.236.254.50:61744
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
130.236.254.50:61746
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
131.220.43.1:3056
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
216.190.128.200:2211
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
216.190.128.200:2228
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
216.190.128.200:2229
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
216.190.128.200:2234
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
216.190.128.200:2250
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
209.161.0.33:2966
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
203.178.141.212:4723
The /etc/services file states that port 113 is used for a
Authentication Service?
My question is, what is happening here, is someone trying to
access my system or is this normal? 
Thank You,
David DeTinne


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<DIV>I have log_in_vain set in my rc.conf file. Ever since doing this I have 
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<DIV>all sorts of connection attempts to port 113, here are some examples;</DIV>
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<P>Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 216.190.128.200:2132</P>
<P>Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 216.190.128.200:2133</P>
<P>Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 130.236.254.50:61744</P>
<P>Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 130.236.254.50:61746</P>
<P>Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 131.220.43.1:3056</P>
<P>Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 216.190.128.200:2211</P>
<P>Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 216.190.128.200:2228</P>
<P>Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 216.190.128.200:2229</P>
<P>Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 216.190.128.200:2234</P>
<P>Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 216.190.128.200:2250</P>
<P>Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 209.161.0.33:2966</P>
<P>Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 203.178.141.212:4723</P>
<P>The /etc/services file states that port 113 is used for a Authentication 
Service?</P>
<P>My question is, what is happening here, is someone trying to access my system 
or is this normal? </P>
<P>Thank You,</P>
<P>David DeTinne</P>
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From owner-freebsd-isp  Sat Jul  8 17:16:28 2000
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Hmm I have the same ting but the only one that tries to access me there =
is my DNS server.. don't see a problem with that check if those IPs are =
you DNS..

/John

----- Original Message -----=20
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To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org=20
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 1:46 AM
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I have log_in_vain set in my rc.conf file. Ever since doing this I have =
witnessed
all sorts of connection attempts to port 113, here are some examples;
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 216.190.128.200:2132
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 216.190.128.200:2133
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 130.236.254.50:61744
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 130.236.254.50:61746
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 131.220.43.1:3056
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 216.190.128.200:2211
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 216.190.128.200:2228
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 216.190.128.200:2229
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 216.190.128.200:2234
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 216.190.128.200:2250
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 209.161.0.33:2966
Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from 203.178.141.212:4723
The /etc/services file states that port 113 is used for a Authentication =
Service?
My question is, what is happening here, is someone trying to access my =
system or is this normal?=20
Thank You,
David DeTinne



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Not quite sure if this is the right list, but I figure you all would
know
more about this problem then anyone, so here it is:  The past week
or so I've gotten a temendous amount of error messages coming from
namedb.
Jul  3 17:14:46 shell named[197]: dropping source port zero packet from
[211.72.48.17].0
Jul  3 17:14:50 shell named[197]: dropping source port zero packet from
[211.72.48.9].0
Jul  3 18:15:33 shell named[197]: dropping source port zero packet from
[211.72.158.249].0
Jul  3 18:15:37 shell named[197]: dropping source port zero packet from
[211.72.159.1].0

I'm getting these every minute on average.  I do not have any
affiliation with
that block of addresses and they are not on my network.  I've sent mail
to
the listed owner of those addresses with no response.  I haven't found
anything
in bugtraq similar for namedb.  The addresses vary, but are all in the
211.72.*.*
B class block.  I've added the following to ipfw:
12345        0          0 unreach host tcp from 211.72.0.0 to any
12346        0          0 unreach host udp from 211.72.0.0 to any
And as you can see it hasn't caught anything or blocked anything.  I had
initially
assumed it was a DoS on bind, as every 20 minutes or so it will cause
bind to
reload it's zones.  Bind is running in a sandbox also.

Then to make matters worse, a few strange things happened last night.
My
cgi shopping cart lost all it's datafiles, along with a few other
strange happenings.
Jul  7 21:21:58 shell /kernel: pid 27004 (doscmd), uid 1013: exited on
signal 10 (core dumped)
Jul  8 04:52:37 shell ftpd[35348]: getpeername (./ftpd): Socket
operation on non-socket
Jul  8 11:31:03 shell inetd[37173]: warning: can't get client address:
Connection reset by peer

Any insight or help would be greatly appreciated.  I'm running
3.4-STABLE on an ASUS
board with dual PII 450's and 512mb RAM.  Cvsupped and built last on Sun
May 14
14:05:57 MDT 2000.

J.C. Frazier



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Read this URL:

http://www.robertgraham.com/pubs/firewall-seen.html

That's just a simple identd request, not harmful.

Matt

On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, David W. DeTinne wrote:
: 
: I have log_in_vain set in my rc.conf file. Ever since doing this
: I have witnessed
: all sorts of connection attempts to port 113, here are some
: examples;
: Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
: 216.190.128.200:2132
: Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
: 216.190.128.200:2133
: Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
: 130.236.254.50:61744
: Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
: 130.236.254.50:61746
: Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
: 131.220.43.1:3056
: Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
: 216.190.128.200:2211
: Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
: 216.190.128.200:2228
: Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
: 216.190.128.200:2229
: Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
: 216.190.128.200:2234
: Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
: 216.190.128.200:2250
: Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
: 209.161.0.33:2966
: Connection attempt to TCP 24.11.229.88:113 from
: 203.178.141.212:4723
: The /etc/services file states that port 113 is used for a
: Authentication Service?
: My question is, what is happening here, is someone trying to
: access my system or is this normal? 
: Thank You,
: David DeTinne
: 
: 

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On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, J & C Frazier wrote:
...
: B class block.  I've added the following to ipfw:
: 12345        0          0 unreach host tcp from 211.72.0.0 to any
: 12346        0          0 unreach host udp from 211.72.0.0 to any
:
: And as you can see it hasn't caught anything or blocked anything.  I
: had initially assumed it was a DoS on bind, as every 20 minutes or so
: it will cause bind to reload it's zones.  Bind is running in a sandbox
: also.

Use:
ipfw add unreach host tcp from 211.72.0.0/16 to any

It should fix your problem.

: Then to make matters worse, a few strange things happened last night.
: My cgi shopping cart lost all it's datafiles, along with a few other
: strange happenings.
...
: Jul  7 21:21:58 shell /kernel: pid 27004 (doscmd), uid 1013: exited on
: signal 10 (core dumped)

doscmd got unhappy and core dumped. Probably nothing to worry about.

: Jul  8 04:52:37 shell ftpd[35348]: getpeername (./ftpd): Socket
: operation on non-socket

Weird. Could be an attempt at the new ftpd exploit, hope you're patched.

: Jul  8 11:31:03 shell inetd[37173]: warning: can't get client address:
: Connection reset by peer

No big deal to worry about usually. Just a connection reset by peer.
 
: Any insight or help would be greatly appreciated.  I'm running
: 3.4-STABLE on an ASUS board with dual PII 450's and 512mb RAM.  
: Cvsupped and built last on Sun May 14 14:05:57 MDT 2000.
: 
: J.C. Frazier

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On Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:37:36 +0200, "R.I.Pienaar" <rip@pinetec.co.za> wrote:
| 
| how does it monitor the boxes behind the load blanacer, when does it find out
| that your box died and its ment to failover?
| 

I've been doing a little survey of the state of the art in loadbalancers and 
failover boxes for work for the last few months. All seem to work the same way 
from what I've seen.

Each sits in the path of the traffic to be balanced and redirects packets to a 
destination system by re-writing the addresses in the packet header. It also 
has to re-write the address in the responses when they come back (so as to not 
confuse the client browser or whatever). If the response traffic doesn't 
arrive (usually after a few mS, but configurable) the resource is marked 'down' 
and temporarily removed from the load-balancing pool. It is 'ping'ed at regular 
intervals while its in that state to see when it might be back up (although the 
ping is actually a 'half-open' of the TCP port of the service, i.e. send TCP SYN 
packet look for ACK but don't bother completing the handshake when the ACK does 
come back). When services are back up the affected system is added back into the 
load balancing pool once again. This latter mechanism only works when the balancer 
can see the return traffic of course and sometimes they can't (in the modes where 
they direct traffic to another site, conceptually usually one that's 'closer' to 
the client).

The algorithms used to balance can also be many and varied and some you'll 
encounter are round-robin, quickest response, least number of connections and 
lowest load (needs a host that can report its load usually via SNMP). Some 
boxes (notably F5's) can in fact be configured to offer a mix of each 
algorithm on a proportional basis.

Some of the systems also offer QA facilities like comparing the output of the 
same URL on different boxes when they're balancing HTTP and raising an alarm 
when they see differences. Clearly this only works for static content but it 
can be used to good effect on things like home pages and 'important' services. 
Don't use use this on web pages with lots of personalisation or dynamically 
rotating banner ads or the like though.


Hope this helps,

Enno.






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