From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 15 0:54:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from wallace.webmatic.de (wallace.webmatic.de [212.78.99.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2EE537B503 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ncc-qae0k3bnoas.chef-ingenieur.de (guru.chef-ingenieur.de [212.78.97.166]) by wallace.webmatic.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DA67C23 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 09:54:16 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001015092357.0290b0a0@wallace.webmatic.de> X-Sender: guru-fbsd@wallace.webmatic.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 09:54:57 +0200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: "Thomas Krause, CI" Subject: running bind -u bind -g bind Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I set up in rc.conf named_enable="YES" named_flags="-u bind -g bind" to run named not as root. root@kraxon:/ # ps axw | grep named 23473 ?? Ss 0:00.03 named -u bind -g bind Fine. But when I'm doing a 'named.reload' I get in syslog: Oct 15 09:30:22 kraxon named[82]: reloading nameserver Oct 15 09:30:22 kraxon named[82]: couldn't create pid file '/var/run/named.pid' And after a 'named.restart', named is running as root: root@kraxon:/ # named.restart new pid is 230 root@kraxon:/ # ps axw | grep named 230 ?? Ss 0:00.09 /usr/sbin/named in named.conf I have: controls { unix "/var/run/ndc" perm 0600 owner 53 group 53; }; Any Ideas, how to reload the named? I'm using FreeBSD 4.1.1-R Kind regards, Thomas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 15 4:27:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from siafu.iconnect.co.ke (upagraha.iconnect.co.ke [209.198.248.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F26837B502 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 04:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.22.163.2] (helo=poeza.iconnect.co.ke) by siafu.iconnect.co.ke with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13klvS-00070K-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:25:58 +0300 Received: from wash by poeza.iconnect.co.ke with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13klxb-000Hnt-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:28:11 +0300 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:28:11 +0300 From: Odhiambo Washington To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: running bind -u bind -g bind Message-ID: <20001015142811.C68094@poeza.iconnect.co.ke> Mail-Followup-To: Odhiambo Washington , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <4.3.2.7.0.20001015092357.0290b0a0@wallace.webmatic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20001015092357.0290b0a0@wallace.webmatic.de>; from "Thomas Krause, CI" on Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 09:54:57AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD poeza.iconnect.co.ke 3.5-STABLE FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE X-Mailer: Mutt http://www.mutt.org/ X-URL: web.iconnect.co.ke/users/wash X-Accept-Language: en fr X-Editor: Pico http://www.washington.edu/ X-Location: Mombasa, Kenya, East Africa X-Uptime: 2:18PM up 6 days, 17:06, 1 user, load averages: 0.05, 0.02, 0.00 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Thomas Krause, CI [20001015 10:55]: => =>Hi all, => =>I set up in rc.conf => =>named_enable="YES" =>named_flags="-u bind -g bind" => =>to run named not as root. => =>root@kraxon:/ # ps axw | grep named =>23473 ?? Ss 0:00.03 named -u bind -g bind => =>Fine. But when I'm doing a 'named.reload' I get in syslog: => =>Oct 15 09:30:22 kraxon named[82]: reloading nameserver =>Oct 15 09:30:22 kraxon named[82]: couldn't create pid file '/var/run/named.pid' => =>And after a 'named.restart', named is running as root: => =>root@kraxon:/ # named.restart =>new pid is 230 =>root@kraxon:/ # ps axw | grep named => 230 ?? Ss 0:00.09 /usr/sbin/named => =>in named.conf I have: => =>controls { => unix "/var/run/ndc" perm 0600 owner 53 group 53; =>}; => =>Any Ideas, how to reload the named? =>I'm using FreeBSD 4.1.1-R Hi I am running FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE and in my rc.conf I have alouette# uname -msr FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE i386 [snip] named_enable="YES" named_flags="-u bind -g bind" [snip] And When I restart named I get same message. Checking on /var/run shows that the pid file is owned by bind.bind ...does that give a clue? I am no UNIX guru either but I think this could be the clue because all other files are owned by root. On another server I do not run named with flags and the files are owned by root and ndc reload (named.reload) gives no such message. Maybe we need more reading on the effects of using the named_flags??? And my named is running as bind, not root... alouette# ps -auxc | grep named bind 98 0.0 1.1 2176 1776 ?? Is 11:56AM 0:00.02 named -Wash -- Odhiambo Washington Inter-Connect Ltd., wash@iconnect.co.ke 5th Flr Furaha Plaza Tel: 254 11 222604 Nkrumah Rd., Fax: 254 11 222636 PO Box 83613 MOMBASA, KENYA. As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 15 9:30:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29ECB37B66E for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 09:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13kqIc-0006yO-00; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 09:06:10 -0700 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 09:06:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: "Thomas Krause, CI" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: running bind -u bind -g bind In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20001015092357.0290b0a0@wallace.webmatic.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 15 Oct 2000, Thomas Krause, CI wrote: > And after a 'named.restart', named is running as root: > > root@kraxon:/ # named.restart > new pid is 230 > root@kraxon:/ # ps axw | grep named > 230 ?? Ss 0:00.09 /usr/sbin/named ... > Any Ideas, how to reload the named? > I'm using FreeBSD 4.1.1-R First of all, reload and restart are very different things. named.reload triggers are reload where named reloads all the zone file. named.restart actually kills the named process, dumps the cache, and then starts up named again. It seems the named.restart script starts named up without the paramters that request that it run as the "bind" user. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 15 9:52:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from siafu.iconnect.co.ke (upagraha.iconnect.co.ke [209.198.248.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F195137B502 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 09:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.22.163.2] (helo=poeza.iconnect.co.ke) by siafu.iconnect.co.ke with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13kr0B-000FvD-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:51:11 +0300 Received: from wash by poeza.iconnect.co.ke with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13kr2K-000IQC-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:53:24 +0300 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:53:24 +0300 From: Odhiambo Washington To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Machine not being able to go on the Internet Message-ID: <20001015195324.B70637@poeza.iconnect.co.ke> Mail-Followup-To: Odhiambo Washington , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from "Jonathan M. Slivko" on Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 02:49:32PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD poeza.iconnect.co.ke 3.5-STABLE FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE X-URL: web.iconnect.co.ke/users/wash X-Accept-Language: en X-Editor: Pico http://www.washington.edu/ X-Location: Mombasa, KE, East Africa X-Uptime: 7:50PM up 6 days, 22:38, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Jonathan M. Slivko [20001013 21:50]: =>What happens is there is total silence on the network from my machine, not =>one packet even. I can't get my machine to respond to pings/traceroutes/etc. =>I am starting to think that it might be a network card that failed me. I was =>wondering if you possibly came to the same conclusion as I did? Just as a =>side note, i'm already behind on setting up this server so I need to find =>out exactly what is going on pretty soon. I would appreciate a speedy reply. =>-- Jonathan M. Slivko Dear Sir I'm not sure if your problem is solved. If not still, pls let us know. I am especially interested in your rc.conf. Could you please attach it and also tell us the IP subnet on your network. Thank you. -Wash -- Odhiambo Washington Inter-Connect Ltd., wash@iconnect.co.ke 5th Flr Furaha Plaza Tel: 254 11 222604 Nkrumah Rd., Fax: 254 11 222636 PO Box 83613 MOMBASA, KENYA. All things being equal, you lose. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 15 12:52:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hitline.ch (mail.hitline.ch [195.129.74.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58C337B66C for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [62.2.145.15] (HELO [62.2.145.15]) by hitline.ch (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.3b9) with ESMTP id 2537287 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:51:20 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: micheal%com4u.ch@mail.com4u.ch Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:51:30 +0200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Michael O Shea Subject: Re: 3Com 3C509 - packet dropping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, John Reddy wrote: > >> I've got a 3Com 3C509 server NIC that every now and then will simply sto= p >... >> xl0: no memory for rx list -- packet dropped! >> xl0: no memory for rx list -- packet dropped! > > > 3COM 509 + xl is notoriously troublesome. Use an Intel card (fxp >driver) instead. > >Tom > Hmm my experience has been the opposite. Replaced an Intel Express with the 3Com and no packets dropped since. -- Micheal O Shea ----------------------------------------------------- com-o-tronic ag Micheal O Shea, Systems Engineer Gewerbepark CH-5506 M=E4genwil E-Mail micheal@com4u.ch Voice: +41 62 887 3734 =46ax: +41 62 896 1133 Internet: http://www.com4u.ch http://www.ehitline.ch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 15 15:23:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.knight-trosoft.com (mail.knight-trosoft.com [209.180.70.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491E837B66D for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 15:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cd864962-a.vwebpage.com (dh.vwebpage.com [209.180.70.5]) (authenticated) by mail.knight-trosoft.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9FMNKT03866 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:23:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001015171605.021127e8@mail.vwebpage.com> X-Sender: johnp@mail.vwebpage.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:25:23 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: John Prince Subject: multiple external interfaces Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello.. Is it possible (I have been trying).... I have a firewall setup, IPFW and Natd, with 2 external interfaces, and a single internal. Each external interface is connected to a provider. Setup is as follows.. External Internal. bbb.bbb.bbb.bbb --------------- |--------------- ccc.ccc.ccc.ccc aaa.aaa.aaa.aaa --------------- The internal network consists of 2 nets, 10.0.1.0 and 10.0.2.0 What I want to do is route any traffic from the 10.0.1.0 network to the (bbb) external interface, and traffic from the 10.0.2.0 to the the (aaa) interface.. Ipfw and Natd appear to function, as long as I specify a default route.. I would like to do this all on a single machine, if possible.. Any help would be greatly appreciated.. Thanks, --john John Prince To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 16 0:39:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from linuxpower.p00t.net (mke-160-240-116.wi.rr.com [24.160.240.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1220337B503 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 00:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (trout@localhost) by linuxpower.p00t.net (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e9G7oP802364 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 02:50:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 02:50:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Tom Duffey To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: User friendly and reliable backup solution Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear FreeBSD Users, I know this topic has been thrown around quite a bit but I haven't been able to find quite what I'm looking for in the mailing list archives. Our design company has two FreeBSD 4.1 machines: a web server and a mail server. I do most of the administration remotely while attending school. Although they are very bright, none of the other employees have had much experience with unix-like operating systems. I'm trying to come up with the most user-friendly and reliable backup system possible for these two. In the event of a crash, someone on location will have to fix the hardware and perform the restore. On the hardware end we plan on getting some SCSI tape unit capable of dealing with the full capacities of each machine, about 10gb max each. Can anyone recommend a hardware and software combination that is known to be reliable and easy to use, especially during a restore? Should we build another machine to act as a backup server or use one of the existing servers? I really appreciate the help! Best Regards, Tom Duffey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 16 2:17: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from jazz.seychelles.net (jazz.seychelles.net [202.84.235.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE3737B66D for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 02:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seychelles.net ([202.84.235.51]) by jazz.seychelles.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA79350 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:16:52 +0400 (SCT) (envelope-from muditha@seychelles.net) Message-ID: <39EAC92A.A3F91F0D@seychelles.net> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:23:55 +0400 From: Muditha Gunatilake Reply-To: muditha@seychelles.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Rackmount Servers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, We are a small ISP running FreeBSD. I am interested in purchasing rack mount servers to replace the seprate individual servers we have at present. *) The server have to be very reliable and solid hardware. *) Price is not the main issue *) Been located in a small Island far away from anywhere..we do not have easy access to suppliers for replacements, spares etc....hence reliability. Would you recommend going for compaq or dell solution? Any advice and recommendations on suppliers and products on this issue would be highly appreciated. Thank you. B.Rgds -- -- --------------------- Muditha Gunatilake Atlas Seychelles Ltd Phone:+248 304060 Fax :+248 324565 email: muditha@seychelles.net mbh3gpa@afs.mcc.ac.uk muditha@technologist.com :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 16 2:26:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C661537B502 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 02:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 090E26A901 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:26:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sv.Go2France.com [212.73.210.79] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.04) id AADC84A90086; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:31:08 +0200 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001016112218.04c9a110@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: lconrad%Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:26:37 +0200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: Rackmount Servers In-Reply-To: <39EAC92A.A3F91F0D@seychelles.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >*) The server have to be very reliable and solid hardware. >*) Price is not the main issue >*) Been located in a small Island far away from anywhere..we do not >have easy access to suppliers for replacements, spares etc....hence >reliability. > > Would you recommend going for compaq or dell solution? In your situation, I wouldn't touch proprietary hardare. Buy 1U and 2U empty cases, and build your own servers and appliances from quality components. Len http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com: ISC BIND 8.2.2 p5 installable binary for NT4 http://IMGate.MEIway.com: Build free, hi-perf, anti-spam mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 16 5:12: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com (ihemail1.lucent.com [192.11.222.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC0737B502 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 05:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16987 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cbemh.cb.lucent.com (h135-7-35-160.lucent.com [135.7.35.160]) by ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16979 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cbemh.cb.lucent.com (8.8.8+Sun/EMS-1.5 sol2) id IAA18517; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucent.com by cbemh.cb.lucent.com (8.8.8+Sun/EMS-1.5 sol2) id IAA18511; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EAF07B.5216FA71@lucent.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:11:39 -0400 From: "J.D McSwain" Organization: Lucent Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-CCK-MCD EMS-1.4 (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rackmount Servers References: <5.0.0.25.0.20001016112218.04c9a110@mail.Go2France.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been looking at empty 1u and 2u empty cases. So far I've seen Antec and Itox. Does any one have recommendations? Are most of the power supplies standard in these cases or will I have to purchase extra supplies when I buy? Dale McSwain Len Conrad wrote: > > >*) The server have to be very reliable and solid hardware. > >*) Price is not the main issue > >*) Been located in a small Island far away from anywhere..we do not > >have easy access to suppliers for replacements, spares etc....hence > >reliability. > > > > Would you recommend going for compaq or dell solution? > > In your situation, I wouldn't touch proprietary hardare. > > Buy 1U and 2U empty cases, and build your own servers and appliances > from quality components. > > Len > > http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com: ISC BIND 8.2.2 p5 installable binary for NT4 > http://IMGate.MEIway.com: Build free, hi-perf, anti-spam mail gateways > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 16 5:20:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.monmouth.com (mail.monmouth.com [209.191.58.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1334C37B66E for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 05:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ops1.monmouth.com (ops-gw-1.monmouth.com [209.191.13.3]) by mail.monmouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18343 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001016081818.00b66718@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: mark@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:21:04 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mark Subject: Re: Rackmount Servers In-Reply-To: <39EAF07B.5216FA71@lucent.com> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20001016112218.04c9a110@mail.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Might want to look at WETEX. (http://www.wetex.com) Good, solid 2u cases and they use a standard ATX PS and can use just about any ATX mother board. Problem is with most 2U and 1u cases, IO and ether is recommended to be onboard as you can only use 3 slots of the riser card with this case. Mark At 08:11 AM 10/16/2000 -0400, J.D McSwain wrote: >I've been looking at empty 1u and 2u empty cases. >So far I've seen Antec and Itox. Does any one have >recommendations? Are most of the power supplies standard >in these cases or will I have to purchase extra supplies >when I buy? > >Dale McSwain > >Len Conrad wrote: > > > > >*) The server have to be very reliable and solid hardware. > > >*) Price is not the main issue > > >*) Been located in a small Island far away from anywhere..we do not > > >have easy access to suppliers for replacements, spares etc....hence > > >reliability. > > > > > > Would you recommend going for compaq or dell solution? > > > > In your situation, I wouldn't touch proprietary hardare. > > > > Buy 1U and 2U empty cases, and build your own servers and appliances > > from quality components. > > > > Len > > > > http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com: ISC BIND 8.2.2 p5 installable binary for NT4 > > http://IMGate.MEIway.com: Build free, hi-perf, anti-spam mail gateways > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 16 5:21:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA2137B66F for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 05:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id E29B26A901 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:21:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sv.Go2France.com [212.73.210.79] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.04) id A3E428D602C6; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:26:12 +0200 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001016141951.02cd7200@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: lconrad%Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:21:42 +0200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: FreeBSD for RAS? In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20001009222453.04313a20@mail.Go2France.com> References: <00100922182703.24723@viktors.riga.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I suppose the answer will be "go buy a Portmaster, etc" but is >anybody using FreeBSD + PRI card for RAS? > >Len ========= So, hearing no response, do I conclude that FreeBSD + PRI + modems is not configurable into a serviceable RAS? Len http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com: ISC BIND 8.2.2 p5 installable binary for NT4 http://IMGate.MEIway.com: Build free, hi-perf, anti-spam mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 16 5:26: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011D337B503 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 05:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 00E046A901 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:26:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sv.Go2France.com [212.73.210.79] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.04) id A4FA530058; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:30:50 +0200 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001016142603.04db4250@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: lconrad%Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:26:21 +0200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: Rackmount Servers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I've been looking at empty 1u and 2u empty cases. >So far I've seen Antec and Itox. Does any one have >recommendations? a few of my bookmarks (I like the first one) www.rackmount.com www.enhance-tech.com www.gtweb.net/rackcase.html www.tesys.com www.technoland.com/tl-rack210.htm www.rackco.com/2u.html www.advantech.com/products/ipc_chassis/spc-520.htm >Are most of the power supplies standard >in these cases or will I have to purchase extra supplies >when I buy? The 1U cases need special p/s. The 2U's can use standard, mostly, but mostly they come with their own p/s. Len http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com: ISC BIND 8.2.2 p5 installable binary for NT4 http://IMGate.MEIway.com: Build free, hi-perf, anti-spam mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 16 6:47:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gw2.bnc.ch (ns2.bnc.ch [195.65.231.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C58D37B66C for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proliant.bnc.ch (proliant.bnc.ch [192.168.1.3]) by gw2.bnc.ch (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id e9GDlF291258 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:47:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tish ([192.168.1.86]) by proliant.bnc.ch (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id e9GDlEa15595 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:47:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <009701c03777$99d9d640$5601a8c0@bnc.ch> From: "Martin Mueller" To: Subject: Running 4.1.1 on Intel ISP1100 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:47:18 +0200 Organization: BNC Business Network Communications AG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We are running 4.1.1 on three ISP1100 machines, where dmesg displays the following messages pnpbios: Bad PnP BIOS data checksum ... RTC BIOS diagnostic error 20 ... Does anybody know why these appear? how to fix it? Many thanks, -- Martin, martin@bnc.ch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 16 7:48:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.tcworks.net (ns.tcworks.net [216.61.218.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 003C837B66D for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 07:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcworks.net (stuck.sticky.org [216.61.218.6]) by ns.tcworks.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA31425; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:42:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Message-ID: <39EB158E.73CE3D66@tcworks.net> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:49:50 -0500 From: Chris Cook X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Len Conrad Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for RAS? References: <00100922182703.24723@viktors.riga.nu> <5.0.0.25.0.20001016141951.02cd7200@mail.Go2France.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We looked into doing this with a Digi Datafire RAS PRI card after using two USR Courier ISDN modems on the FreeBSD box that worked fairly well. But we determined that a PM3 was the better way to go for a variety of reasons.... they are not that expensive, you can scale up to 48 ports and it can do so much more. Len Conrad wrote: > > >I suppose the answer will be "go buy a Portmaster, etc" but is > >anybody using FreeBSD + PRI card for RAS? > > > >Len -- Chris o----< ccook@tcworks.net >-------------------------------------o |Chris Cook - Admin | TCWORKS.NET - http://www.tcworks.net | |The Computer Works ISP | FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org | o--------------------------------------------------------------o To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 16 9:19:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E92637B66F for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13lCbT-0000P4-00; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:55:07 -0700 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:55:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Len Conrad Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rackmount Servers In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20001016112218.04c9a110@mail.Go2France.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Len Conrad wrote: > >*) The server have to be very reliable and solid hardware. > >*) Price is not the main issue > >*) Been located in a small Island far away from anywhere..we do not > >have easy access to suppliers for replacements, spares etc....hence > >reliability. > > > > Would you recommend going for compaq or dell solution? > > In your situation, I wouldn't touch proprietary hardare. I wouldn't consider either Dell or Compaq propietary hardware, especially Dell. Dell is just a system assembler, they don't make any components themselves. > Buy 1U and 2U empty cases, and build your own servers and appliances > from quality components. Most 1U cases don't allow redundant power supplies. Power supply failures are either the number 1 or number 2 source of system failures. > Len > > > http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com: ISC BIND 8.2.2 p5 installable binary for NT4 > http://IMGate.MEIway.com: Build free, hi-perf, anti-spam mail gateways Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 16 9:31:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413FA37B66D for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 20B036A901 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:31:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sv.Go2France.com [212.73.210.79] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.04) id AE807463005A; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:36:16 +0200 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001016182641.05caad40@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: lconrad%Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:31:45 +0200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: Rackmount Servers In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.0.20001016112218.04c9a110@mail.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I wouldn't consider either Dell or Compaq propietary hardware, >especially Dell. Dell is just a system assembler, they don't make any >components themselves. yes, but can you just slip out a Dell p/s or mobo and replace it with another non-Dell p/s or "standard" Asus/Abit ATX mobo. That's what I mean by "proprietary". If I have to use Dell-brand mobo's, it's proprietary. > > Buy 1U and 2U empty cases, and build your own servers and appliances > > from quality components. > > Most 1U cases don't allow redundant power supplies. nope, haven't found one here. > Power supply failures are either the number 1 or number 2 source > of system failures. yep, in fact you can't really spend too much on the original p/s, seeing what one failure is going to cost. 150K hours MTBF is what some p/s mfrs like PC Power Cooling quote. Very hard to get our local compenents guy to quote MTBF. I think "Fortron" is known to be industrial, rather than consumer, quality p/s. http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com: ISC BIND 8.2.2 p5 installable binary for NT4 http://IMGate.MEIway.com: Build free, hi-perf, anti-spam mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 16 9:34:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E03F37B673 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 589AD6A901 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:34:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sv.Go2France.com [212.73.210.79] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.04) id AF226BA60056; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:38:58 +0200 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001016183208.05d558e0@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: lconrad%Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:34:27 +0200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: FreeBSD for RAS? In-Reply-To: <39EB158E.73CE3D66@tcworks.net> References: <00100922182703.24723@viktors.riga.nu> <5.0.0.25.0.20001016141951.02cd7200@mail.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >We looked into doing this with a Digi Datafire RAS PRI card after using >two USR Courier ISDN modems on the FreeBSD box that worked fairly well. >But we determined that a PM3 was the better way to go for a variety of >reasons.... they are not that expensive In Europe, with E1 (not T1) interfaces, they are substantially more than US, I gather. So we'll look at Linux + Ariel.com for the "power to server" RAS. Ariel France tells me a big ISP here is installing 200 Ariel RAS's before year end. thanks, Len http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com: ISC BIND 8.2.2 p5 installable binary for NT4 http://IMGate.MEIway.com: Build free, hi-perf, anti-spam mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 16 9:43: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B118D37B675 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13lCyI-0000SF-00; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:18:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:18:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Len Conrad Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rackmount Servers In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20001016182641.05caad40@mail.Go2France.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Len Conrad wrote: > > I wouldn't consider either Dell or Compaq propietary hardware, > >especially Dell. Dell is just a system assembler, they don't make any > >components themselves. > > yes, but can you just slip out a Dell p/s or mobo and replace it with > another non-Dell p/s or "standard" Asus/Abit ATX mobo. That's what I > mean by "proprietary". If I have to use Dell-brand mobo's, it's proprietary. Well, but there are certain advantages to Dell using custom motherboards. The basic Poweredge servers are better than anything you can assemble yourself, because the moterboard is customized. Plus the addition of a built in hot-swap backplane (as opposed to ribbon cables) makes them difficult to beat. Pretty much all redundant power supplies are propietary because the ATX form factor isn't big enough to fit two redundant power suplies of any decent capacity. Beware though, many rendant power supplies out there are complete garbage. Besides, Dell offers three years warranty on their components standard, so why bother trying to replace something that is covered under warranty? Pretty much everything is redundant anyhow. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 16 10:32: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8798237B671 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 43DBA328F; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 09:55:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E330328E; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 09:55:29 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 09:55:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: Tom Samplonius Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rackmount Servers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Besides, Dell offers three years warranty on their components standard, > so why bother trying to replace something that is covered under warranty? > Pretty much everything is redundant anyhow. Warranties aren't any good if you're down... the point is to buy stuff that will minimize needing to use the warranty at all. I personally believe that none of the major manufacturers build good enough equipment. I much prefer to buy and piece it together myself. Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 16 10:43:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.officeonweb.net (ns1.officeonweb.net [209.61.157.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F46B37B671 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sami002 ([199.239.2.143]) by ns1.officeonweb.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA02079 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:40:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mdickerson@officeonweb.net) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001016113949.007c1e30@officeonweb.net> X-Sender: succes03@officeonweb.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:39:49 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: mdickerson@officeonweb.net Subject: Net-SSLeay and Surepay Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Howdy Hi, Has anyone worked with Surepay (.com) as a directpay type of gateway (a Cybercash knockoff)? They use openssl/Net-SSLeay to do the info transfer (uses a slight modification of the .pm file) but the transfer doesn't work (the errors are quite surepay specific). Their tech people were unable to solve the problem (they claim it's not been implemented on freebsd and blah blah blah). Has anyone done this one or is this simply a warning sign about Surepay (aside from the obvious)? positives/negatives encouraged:) Mike Dickerson Officeonweb.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 16 10:55:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (dhcp-1-82.n01.orldfl01.us.ra.verio.net [157.238.210.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8BD37B503 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21823 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:55:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bill) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:55:28 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rackmount Servers Message-ID: <20001016135528.A21791@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@bilver.wjv.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from hamellr@heorot.1nova.com on Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 09:55:29AM +0000 Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 09:55:29AM +0000, Rick Hamell thus spoke: > > Besides, Dell offers three years warranty on their components > > standard, so why bother trying to replace something that is > > covered under warranty? Pretty much everything is redundant > > anyhow. > Warranties aren't any good if you're down... the point is to > buy stuff that will minimize needing to use the warranty at all. > I personally believe that none of the major manufacturers build > good enough equipment. I much prefer to buy and piece it together > myself. I'm fairly impressed with the iNTEL 1100R server platform. The BIOS re-direct through the serial port on boot-up can be quite handy for a light-out environment if you have a remote capable power-switch too. It's main target is for ISP hosting. We used to always build our own until we found that machine, and I think it will be our standard platform. -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 16 11:15:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [207.154.226.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDB437B66D for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1061) id 50BD32B259; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:15:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:15:25 -0500 From: David Drum To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User friendly and reliable backup solution Message-ID: <20001016131524.A25516@elvis.mu.org> Mail-Followup-To: David Drum , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from tduffey@wi.rr.com on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 02:50:25AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoth Tom Duffey: > Can anyone recommend a hardware and software combination that is > known to be reliable and easy to use, especially during a restore? > Should we build another machine to act as a backup server or use one > of the existing servers? I really appreciate the help! Have you evaluated RAID 1 via vinum, and why was it not sufficient? Are you merely trying to make the systems resilient, or do you need archival/disaster-recovery capabilities? Regards, David Drum david@mu.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 16 11:54:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net (bsdie.rwsystems.net [209.197.223.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A8537B670 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net([209.197.223.2]) (2103 bytes) by bsdie.rwsystems.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:51:03 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.111 2000-Feb-17 #1 built 2000-Jun-25) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:50:59 -0500 (CDT) From: James Wyatt To: bv@bilver.wjv.com Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rackmount Servers In-Reply-To: <20001016135528.A21791@wjv.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Bill Vermillion wrote: > On Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 09:55:29AM +0000, Rick Hamell thus spoke: > > > Besides, Dell offers three years warranty on their components > > > standard, so why bother trying to replace something that is > > > covered under warranty? Pretty much everything is redundant > > > anyhow. > > > Warranties aren't any good if you're down... the point is to > > buy stuff that will minimize needing to use the warranty at all. > > I personally believe that none of the major manufacturers build > > good enough equipment. I much prefer to buy and piece it together > > myself. > > I'm fairly impressed with the iNTEL 1100R server platform. The > BIOS re-direct through the serial port on boot-up can be quite > handy for a light-out environment if you have a remote capable > power-switch too. > > It's main target is for ISP hosting. We used to always build our > own until we found that machine, and I think it will be our > standard platform. And with the original requester being on an island somewhere, just send an extra one or two for hot spares and donor organs. Dell warranties are good but come-to-the-islands service isn't included. I'll guess that there are not many office computers you can steal a matching power supply from, thus providing your own spares is a must. I hope this is obvious - JyW btw: I've helped with a location where warranties were useless. It was *almost* always cheaper to buy a new part than to ship the in-warranty part back. We also used spares in once in a while to ensure they worked. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 16 12:30:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cstone.net (astrovan.cstone.net [209.145.64.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9DD837B67F for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cstone.net (aylee.mrgoodbucks.com [209.145.93.143]) by mail.cstone.net (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9GJTZi80989; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EB5771.7BA11A1C@cstone.net> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:30:57 -0400 From: Sean Michael Whipkey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: muditha@seychelles.net Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rackmount Servers References: <39EAC92A.A3F91F0D@seychelles.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Muditha Gunatilake wrote: > We are a small ISP running FreeBSD. I am interested in purchasing rack > mount servers to replace the seprate individual servers we have at > present. I always liked Telenet (www.tesys.com) and now they are owned by BSDi. http://hardware.bsdi.com/cgi-bin/telenet.storefront No problems at all with reliability. SeanMike -- SeanMike Whipkey - "I figured that most of you were really nice people, or total geeks, hiding behind some sort of Web persona, but with the exception of SeanMike (who *actually* seems to tone down his web presence)" -Patrick Phalen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 16 12:56:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from linuxpower.p00t.net (mke-160-240-116.wi.rr.com [24.160.240.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EDC337B66E for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (trout@localhost) by linuxpower.p00t.net (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e9GK7D804639; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:07:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:07:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Tom Duffey To: David Drum Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: User friendly and reliable backup solution In-Reply-To: <20001016131524.A25516@elvis.mu.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Can anyone recommend a hardware and software combination that is > > known to be reliable and easy to use, especially during a restore? > > Should we build another machine to act as a backup server or use one > > of the existing servers? I really appreciate the help! > > Have you evaluated RAID 1 via vinum, and why was it not sufficient? > Are you merely trying to make the systems resilient, or do you need > archival/disaster-recovery capabilities? Yes, and in the future I will be doing exactly this. However, disaster recovery is the most important thing I need to deal with right now. Furthermore, I need the ability to do complete backups on removable media so a fairly recent copy of the systems can be taken off site from time to time. Again, what I'm looking for is reliability and an easy restore process so that if a drive blows up and I'm unable to make the two hour drive to repair the damage, someone who is by no means ignorant, but just hasn't had much experience with FreeBSD can fix the hardware and restore the system completely. Thanks, Tom Duffey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 16 20:50:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [207.154.226.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B5E37B4C5 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1061) id 6CE842B2BB; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:50:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:50:15 -0500 From: David Drum To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: User friendly and reliable backup solution Message-ID: <20001016225015.A36640@elvis.mu.org> Mail-Followup-To: David Drum , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20001016131524.A25516@elvis.mu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from tduffey@wi.rr.com on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 03:07:13PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoth Tom Duffey: > However, disaster recovery is the most important thing I need to deal > with right now. Furthermore, I need the ability to do complete backups > on removable media so a fairly recent copy of the systems can be taken > off site from time to time. OK, there are two different needs above. The first one is some kind of incremental nightly backup. For that I would suggest using amanda. Keep the number of levels low, though, close to 5, so that you do not have to trudge through a large number of tapes in order to reconstruct a filesystem. The second need is more archival in nature. For that I would just suggest running dump manually on an as-needed basis, and sticking the tapes in a safe-deposit box at the bank, or such. Where they go is up to you. If you are super paranoid, a bank won't do. Both environmental and accessibility issues would rule it out. > Again, what I'm looking for is reliability and an easy restore process so > that if a drive blows up and I'm unable to make the two hour drive to > repair the damage, someone who is by no means ignorant, but just hasn't > had much experience with FreeBSD can fix the hardware and restore the > system completely. Amanda is pretty easy to use via step-by-step instructions. Regards, David Drum david@mu.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 17 2:59:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from siafu.iconnect.co.ke (upagraha.iconnect.co.ke [209.198.248.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2BF37B4E5; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 02:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.22.163.2] (helo=poeza.iconnect.co.ke) by siafu.iconnect.co.ke with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13lTVa-000Dva-00; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:58:10 +0300 Received: from wash by poeza.iconnect.co.ke with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13lTXi-000MyH-00; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:00:22 +0300 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:00:22 +0300 From: Odhiambo Washington To: FBSD-Q Cc: FBSD-ISP Subject: Help required - DSL Implementation Message-ID: <20001017130022.A87793@poeza.iconnect.co.ke> Mail-Followup-To: Odhiambo Washington , FBSD-Q , FBSD-ISP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD poeza.iconnect.co.ke 3.5-STABLE FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE X-URL: web.iconnect.co.ke/users/wash X-Accept-Language: en X-Editor: Pico http://www.washington.edu/ X-Location: Mombasa, KE, East Africa X-Uptime: 12:25PM up 8 days, 15:13, 1 user, load averages: 0.06, 0.03, 0.00 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi users, I'm looking for some help with DSL implementation. I come from a country where DSL is quite new and not supported by our Telco provider - who happens to be a monopoly. So far I've only been able to implement bridging using DSL eqpt (RAD ASMi31 and ASMi50, Zyxel Prestige 128L, Westell eqpt..). Those seem to be the most common ones in use here. The discussions I've seen in this list have more than influenced me to get to know about how it is implemented out there - Europe/US. What I am much interested in is the understanding that you can use DSL via your normal telephone line!!! Okay I've also gathered that there is a filter used for this. What I'm confused about is whether you incur any bills to your Telco provider when you're using DSL???? In my country if I were to use that line for DSL (I'm not sure) I would think that the system here being PSTN - I would be like using my telephone to make a call and as such I'll have to pay up to my Telco provider the same way I pay when making a phone call. Is this the same in your scenarios? When I read that you can still rcv your phone calls/faxes while the DSL is live online I just get mesmerized! Would anyone enlighten me abit? I also gather that in the US (not so much idea about Europe;-)) whenever you make a local call it is FREE, that only long distance (outside local) are charged. How much is this true? But I am more interested in a typical DSL implementation using a typical device like a Cisco 675. What is the physical range of this device, in km? Currently I am having a Zyxel Prestige 128L on my desk and I'm made to understand that it is only efficient upto about 6km on a 4-wire circuit (we call them leased lines here). What would the CISCO 675 take? 11km? I know I'll probably need to go to cisco.com and look for this but I need first hand info on a working situation. Would it be possible for me to use DSL over my normal phone line (behind the back of ny Telco provider) if I bought the filter or there must be an arrangement between my ISP and the local Telco provider (owner of PSTN) for this to work??? I'm assuming that my ISP already has agreed that I can pay for DSL service ;-). ____ ********* ^^^^^^ |____|----------()-------* Telco * ---------^ISP ^ --->Internet Filter ********* ^^^^^^ My PC with DSL Is this really possible without the Telco guys fitting some special switch at their office to enable my DSL connection get to my ISP?? Other than giving me answers, I'll also not mind getting pointers to some clearly illustrated reading material...I'm in a third world country guys, sorry if I seem outdated with technology. All advise will be HIGHLY appreciated. -Wash -- Odhiambo Washington Inter-Connect Ltd., wash@iconnect.co.ke 5th Flr Furaha Plaza Tel: 254 11 222604 Nkrumah Rd., Fax: 254 11 222636 PO Box 83613 MOMBASA, KENYA. Generosity is not giving me that which I need more than you do, but it is giving me that which you need more than I do. -Kahlil Gibran, "Sand and Foam" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 17 8:15: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gw2.bnc.ch (ns2.bnc.ch [195.65.231.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8769C37B4C5 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proliant.bnc.ch (proliant.bnc.ch [192.168.1.3]) by gw2.bnc.ch (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id e9HFEm299538 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:14:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tish ([192.168.1.86]) by proliant.bnc.ch (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id e9HFEka25159 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:14:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <008901c0384c$fc292a00$5601a8c0@bnc.ch> From: "Martin Mueller" To: Subject: Running 4.1.1 on Intel ISP1100 (Bad PnP BIOS, RTC BIOS error 20) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:14:44 +0200 Organization: BNC Business Network Communications AG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We are running 4.1.1 on three ISP1100 machines, where dmesg displays the following messages pnpbios: Bad PnP BIOS data checksum ... RTC BIOS diagnostic error 20 ... Does anybody know why these appear? how to fix it? Many thanks, -- Martin, martin@bnc.ch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 18 5:54:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns5.i-p-d.nl (ns5.i-p-d.nl [208.239.240.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A5B37B4C5 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gina (xs02-102.support.nl [195.114.229.102]) by ns5.i-p-d.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12791 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:57:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from chem@i-p-d.nl) Message-Id: <200010181257.OAA12791@ns5.i-p-d.nl> From: "chem@i-p-d.nl" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:59:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: pop before smtp: makemap hangs Reply-To: chem@i-p-d.nl X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, We have imlemented pop before smtp-check for sendmail, and I have an increasing problem on several of our boxes that the hashing of the popauth.db (every 30 seconds) keeps hanging after a while. sometimes it will run for hours, sometimes not more than 10 minutes. I see this in the maillog: Oct 18 14:51:13 ns9 sendmail[10530]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root): Cannot open hash database /etc/mail/popauth.db: Inappropriate file type or format which in my opinion is caused by the hanging of the makemap command. It started a few weeks ago, and has become severe after I implemented the "official" pop-b4-smtp hack from sendmail last week. The sh-script reads: !/bin/sh cd /var/spool/popauth/ while `true` do mv /etc/mail/popauth /etc/mail/popauth-old echo > /etc/mail/popauth for addr in `ls -1` do echo "$addr OK" >> /etc/mail/popauth done cat /etc/mail/popauth | makemap -r hash /etc/mail/popauth.db < /etc/mail/popauth sleep 30 done And the significant rules (in sendmail.cf) are: Kpopauth hash -a /etc/mail/popauth SLocal_check_rcpt R$* $: $(popauth $&{client_addr} $: $) R $@ NoPopAuth R$* $# OK The makemap- and sendmail-binairies are of the same date. Does anyone have any suggestions what causes this? TIA Gina van Zundert Unix SysAdmin (Spec:DNS-Email-MySQL) IPD Hosting BV ------------------- WWW Hosting --------------------- http://www.i-p-d.nl Tel: 0165-571675 http://www.ipdhosting.com Fax: 0165-571710 http://www.domeinhosting.com Email: support@i-p-d.nl http://www.secure.nl ----------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 18 15:51:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from atlas.bit.net.au (atlas.bit.net.au [203.18.94.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8FD37B4D7 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pdh@localhost) by atlas.bit.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9IMp7i19502; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:51:07 +1000 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:51:07 +1000 From: Phil Homewood To: "chem@i-p-d.nl" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pop before smtp: makemap hangs Message-ID: <20001019085107.D11714@atlas.bit.net.au> References: <200010181257.OAA12791@ns5.i-p-d.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200010181257.OAA12791@ns5.i-p-d.nl>; from chem@i-p-d.nl on Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 02:59:10PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org chem@i-p-d.nl wrote: > !/bin/sh > cd /var/spool/popauth/ > while `true` > do > mv /etc/mail/popauth /etc/mail/popauth-old > echo > /etc/mail/popauth > for addr in `ls -1` > do > echo "$addr OK" >> /etc/mail/popauth > done > cat /etc/mail/popauth | makemap -r hash /etc/mail/popauth.db < > /etc/mail/popauth cat FOO | command < FOO ???? Try replacing that with makemap hash /etc/mail/popauth.db < /etc/mail/popauth (doing it correctly, the "-r" should be redundant too.) > sleep 30 > done -- Phil Homewood pdh@asiaonline.net Senior Technician +61 7 3620 1930 Asia Online (Queensland) http://www.asiaonline.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 18 19: 0:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from w2xo.pgh.pa.us (ipl-229-070.npt-sdsl.stargate.net [208.223.229.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78DFA37B657 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from w2xo.pgh.pa.us (shazam.w2xo.pgh.pa.us [192.168.5.3]) by w2xo.pgh.pa.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA80776 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:59:05 GMT (envelope-from durham@w2xo.pgh.pa.us) Message-ID: <39EE8E74.50B704C5@w2xo.pgh.pa.us> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 02:02:28 -0400 From: Jim Durham Organization: dis- X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 19 1:19: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from web2103.mail.yahoo.com (web2103.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DE68837B4D7 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5411 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2000 08:18:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20001019081855.5410.qmail@web2103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.109.0.84] by web2103.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:18:55 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:18:55 -0700 (PDT) From: xiyuan qian Subject: NFS client process becomes D ??? To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have a box using nfs-client. That is mounting another server's export dir to this box. Everything works well except that when the box up for one or two days, the program using the mounted file usually becomes D in "ps -ax" processed showing. And I can not kill the process to re-run this program. Why? What's wrong with my NFS client or what's wrong with this program? Best regaurds! --xiyuan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 19 2:33:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.i-p-d.nl (ns1.i-p-d.nl [208.239.240.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66DA437B479 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 02:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gina (xs02-062.support.nl [195.114.229.62]) by ns1.i-p-d.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18917; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:34:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from chem@i-p-d.nl) Message-Id: <200010190934.LAA18917@ns1.i-p-d.nl> From: "chem@i-p-d.nl" To: Phil Homewood Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:38:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: pop before smtp: makemap hangs Reply-To: chem@i-p-d.nl Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <20001019085107.D11714@atlas.bit.net.au> References: <200010181257.OAA12791@ns5.i-p-d.nl>; from chem@i-p-d.nl on Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 02:59:10PM +0200 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > !/bin/sh > > cd /var/spool/popauth/ > > while `true` > > do > > mv /etc/mail/popauth /etc/mail/popauth-old > > echo > /etc/mail/popauth > > for addr in `ls -1` > > do > > echo "$addr OK" >> /etc/mail/popauth > > done > > cat /etc/mail/popauth | makemap -r hash /etc/mail/popauth.db < > > /etc/mail/popauth > > cat FOO | command < FOO ???? > Try replacing that with > > makemap hash /etc/mail/popauth.db < /etc/mail/popauth > > (doing it correctly, the "-r" should be redundant too.) > i changed it, but still the same problem exists. Would it be possible to give the makemap more priority? I have run this script over a half year now without any problems, and the only aparent change was putting in the popauth hack from sendmail, instead of the hack i used before (ORBS did not aprove the last one, and is happy with the official sendmail-hack. TIA Gina van Zundert Unix SysAdmin (Spec:DNS-Email-MySQL) IPD Hosting BV ------------------- WWW Hosting --------------------- http://www.i-p-d.nl Tel: 0165-571675 http://www.ipdhosting.com Fax: 0165-571710 http://www.domeinhosting.com Email: support@i-p-d.nl http://www.secure.nl ----------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 19 4:50:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from atlas.bit.net.au (atlas.bit.net.au [203.18.94.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 215A637B4E5 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pdh@localhost) by atlas.bit.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9JBo7916919; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:50:07 +1000 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:50:07 +1000 From: Phil Homewood To: "chem@i-p-d.nl" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pop before smtp: makemap hangs Message-ID: <20001019215007.A16084@atlas.bit.net.au> References: <200010181257.OAA12791@ns5.i-p-d.nl>; <20001019085107.D11714@atlas.bit.net.au> <200010190934.LAA18917@ns1.i-p-d.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200010190934.LAA18917@ns1.i-p-d.nl>; from chem@i-p-d.nl on Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 11:38:18AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org chem@i-p-d.nl wrote: > i changed it, but still the same problem exists. Would it be possible to give > the makemap more priority? I have run this script over a half year now without > any problems, and the only aparent change was putting in the popauth hack from > sendmail, instead of the hack i used before (ORBS did not aprove the last one, > and is happy with the official sendmail-hack. Doesn't sound like "priority" would help unless the box is *seriously* struggling. How long does it take to run the makemap by hand? How long does it take if you 'killall sendmail' and then run it? What sendmail version are you running? -- Phil Homewood pdh@asiaonline.net Senior Technician +61 7 3620 1930 Asia Online (Queensland) http://www.asiaonline.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 19 5:58:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.i-p-d.nl (ns1.i-p-d.nl [208.239.240.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D5437B479 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:58:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gina (xs02-062.support.nl [195.114.229.62]) by ns1.i-p-d.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01592; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:59:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from chem@i-p-d.nl) Message-Id: <200010191259.OAA01592@ns1.i-p-d.nl> From: "chem@i-p-d.nl" To: Phil Homewood Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:03:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: pop before smtp: makemap hangs Reply-To: chem@i-p-d.nl Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <20001019215007.A16084@atlas.bit.net.au> References: <200010190934.LAA18917@ns1.i-p-d.nl>; from chem@i-p-d.nl on Thu, Oct 19, 2000 at 11:38:18AM +0200 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > > i changed it, but still the same problem exists. Would it be possible to give > > the makemap more priority? I have run this script over a half year now without > > any problems, and the only aparent change was putting in the popauth hack from > > sendmail, instead of the hack i used before (ORBS did not aprove the last one, > > and is happy with the official sendmail-hack. > > Doesn't sound like "priority" would help unless the box is *seriously* > struggling. How long does it take to run the makemap by hand? less than 1 second, can't tell the difference after killall -HUP sendmail These are the numbers of the box i have the most problems with: CPU states: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.4% system, 1.2% interrupt, 98.4% idle Mem: 75M Active, 18M Inact, 18M Wired, 7276K Cache, 6949K Buf, 3076K Free Swap: 128M Total, 20M Used, 108M Free, 15% Inuse > What sendmail version are you running? 8.9.3 Kind Regards, Gina van Zundert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 19 9:33:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from fastlane.de (fastlane.webmad.de [194.77.138.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E121537B4CF for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fastlanep2x7jl (really [194.9.194.3]) by fastlane.de via smail with smtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:32:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00e501c039ea$1eda08f0$03c209c2@fastlanep2x7jl> From: "Christian Holz" To: Subject: DES and MD5 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:32:05 +0200 Organization: Fastlane GmbH MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there! I've got a question concerning DES and MD5 encryption: I've installed my server using DES encryption. Many of our customers are runnung a perl program which uses crypt() to create the passwords for .htaccess files. Since apache doesn't support DES encryptet passwords i'd like to change to MD5 encryption or at least force perl/frontpage to use MD5 (Crypt::PasswdMD5 should be doing this, but instead returns DES encryptet passwords). I couldn't find any hint in the manual how to do it. There aren't many accounts on the server, so i wouldn't mind to create all user accounts again. The only thing I did was changing the links in /usr/lib/ for libcrypt etc. But that didn't help. Any advice welcome!!! Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 19 10:18:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gifw.genroco.com (genroco.com [205.254.195.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB3737B4F9 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gi2.genroco.com (gi2.genroco.com [192.133.120.3]) by gifw.genroco.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24477; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:18:12 -0500 Received: from scot.genroco.com (scot.genroco.com [192.133.120.125]) by gi2.genroco.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA02820; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:18:11 -0500 Message-ID: <003601c039f0$8f594360$7d7885c0@genroco.com> From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: "Christian Holz" , References: <00e501c039ea$1eda08f0$03c209c2@fastlanep2x7jl> Subject: Re: DES and MD5 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:18:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: "Christian Holz" > I've got a question concerning DES and MD5 encryption: > > I've installed my server using DES encryption. > Many of our customers are runnung a perl program which uses crypt() to > create the passwords for .htaccess files. > Since apache doesn't support DES encryptet passwords i'd like to change to > MD5 encryption or at least Apache does support both DES & MD5 passwords, if libcrypt is linked to libdescrypt. > force perl/frontpage to use MD5 (Crypt::PasswdMD5 should be doing this, but > instead returns DES encryptet passwords). > You can authenticate with MD5 passwords with FrontPage Exts, but you can't create the MD5 passwords with the FrontPage Exts. The BSDi FP Exts have libdescrypt compiled in statically. Instead you have to create these passwords manually. The FreeBSD FP Exts has libcrypt compiled dynamically, so MD5 passwords should be possible. But, the FreeBSD FP Exts create invalid MD5 passwords, thus authentication fails. The FreeBSD FP Exts do work correctly as long as you use DES passwords, and have libcrypt linked to libdescrypt. > I couldn't find any hint in the manual how to do it. There aren't many > accounts on the server, so i wouldn't mind to create all user > accounts again. > > The only thing I did was changing the links in /usr/lib/ for libcrypt etc. > But that didn't help. Scot To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 19 10:24:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from static.unixfreak.org (static.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFF737B479; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by static.unixfreak.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DCE561F30; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: NFS client process becomes D ??? In-Reply-To: <20001019081855.5410.qmail@web2103.mail.yahoo.com> "from xiyuan qian at Oct 19, 2000 01:18:55 am" To: xiyuan qian Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Dima Dorfman Reply-To: dima@unixfreak.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20001019172440.DCE561F30@static.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi, I have a box using nfs-client. That is mounting > another server's export dir to this box. Everything > works well except that when the box up for one or two > days, the program using the mounted file usually > becomes D in "ps -ax" processed showing. And I can not > kill the process to re-run this program. Why? What's You can't kill a process in the disk state. > wrong with my NFS client or what's wrong with this > program? Did the NFS server go down? Under certain circumstances(sp?), if the NFS server goes down, the client will just keep trying. Unless you mounted the filesystem with the 'intr' option, I don't think you can effectively stop it. Hope this helps -- Dima Dorfman Finger dima@unixfreak.org for my public PGP key. Drive defensively; buy a tank. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 19 11: 7:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.sai.co.za (ns1.amandla.co.za [196.33.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F7937B479 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fdisk (dave.sai.co.za [196.33.40.17]) by mail.sai.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA73176; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:07:30 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from davew@sai.co.za) Message-ID: <022d01c039f9$855d5460$112821c4@sai.co.za> From: "Dave Wilson" To: Cc: Subject: Moving mail to another server for 700 accounts Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:22:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi guys, howzit going ? I have been given the wonderful *not* job of moving 700 mail accounts to a non-unix mail server. I have a little script that Phillip(FreeBSD-ISP list *thanks*) helped me out with that allows me to move each mail accounts data to a specified SMTP server, the only problem is that I can only do it one account at a time ....which would be a bit tiresome with 700 mail accounts This is the script Phillip gave me which works perfectly for one user at a time: formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi $USERNAME@new.mail.server < /var/mail/$USERNAME So what I would type is: formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi user1@new.mail.server < /var/mail/user1 The problem is that I would have to do this for each account ie. user1, user2, user3 etc. all the way up to user700. Does anyone know how I can get all 700 accounts across in one go ? I have tried various bash variables etc. to get this working but don't seem to have any luck Don't laugh, but this is one way I tried ;-) : # awk -F: '$3 > 100 { print $1}' /etc/passwd > /etc/mail/everyone #Gets all users listed on /etc/mail/everyone # ALLUSERS=`cat /etc/mail/everyone` #Sets the variable for all my users # formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi $ALLUSERS@new.mail.server < /var/mail/$ALLUSERS #Tries to mail the whole lot off. Doing the above led to sendmail or bash or something complaing about an "ambiguous redirect" ?? I donno, I'm really lost and don't feel like spending 5 hours moving each accounts' mail separately, please help if you can.... I would appreciate it a hell of a lot. Thanks Regards Dave Wilson The S.A. Internet (033) 3456777 0825496159 http://www.sai.co.za "Who is "General Failure", and what is he doing reading my hard disk ?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 19 11:21:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [216.24.27.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A187637B4CF for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ENGINEERING01 (216-24-1-215.win.net [216.24.1.215]) by ns1.win.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e9JILM118807; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001501c039f9$410aa330$d70118d8@ENGINEERING01> From: "Joe Mays" To: "Dave Wilson" , Cc: References: <022d01c039f9$855d5460$112821c4@sai.co.za> Subject: Re: Moving mail to another server for 700 accounts Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:20:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Not sure if I've missed something, but it looks to me like all you need is #/bin/sh for USERNAME in `cat listofusernames.txt` do formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi $USERNAME@new.mail.server < /var/mail/$USERNAME done exit where "listofusernames.txt" is a text file containing a list of all the usernames to be moved. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Wilson" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 2:22 PM Subject: Moving mail to another server for 700 accounts > Hi guys, howzit going ? > > I have been given the wonderful *not* job of moving 700 mail accounts to a > non-unix mail server. > I have a little script that Phillip(FreeBSD-ISP list *thanks*) helped me out > with that allows me to move each mail accounts data to a specified SMTP > server, the only problem is that I can only do it one account at a time > ....which would be a bit tiresome with 700 mail accounts > This is the script Phillip gave me which works perfectly for one user at a > time: > > formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi $USERNAME@new.mail.server < > /var/mail/$USERNAME > > So what I would type is: > formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi user1@new.mail.server < > /var/mail/user1 > > The problem is that I would have to do this for each account ie. user1, > user2, user3 etc. all the way up to user700. > > Does anyone know how I can get all 700 accounts across in one go ? > I have tried various bash variables etc. to get this working but don't seem > to have any luck > Don't laugh, but this is one way I tried ;-) : > > # awk -F: '$3 > 100 { print $1}' /etc/passwd > /etc/mail/everyone #Gets > all users listed on /etc/mail/everyone > # ALLUSERS=`cat /etc/mail/everyone` > #Sets the variable for all my users > # formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi $ALLUSERS@new.mail.server < > /var/mail/$ALLUSERS #Tries to mail the whole lot off. > > Doing the above led to sendmail or bash or something complaing about an > "ambiguous redirect" ?? > > I donno, I'm really lost and don't feel like spending 5 hours moving each > accounts' mail separately, please help if you can.... I would appreciate it > a hell of a lot. > > Thanks > > > > Regards > Dave Wilson > The S.A. Internet > (033) 3456777 > 0825496159 > http://www.sai.co.za > "Who is "General Failure", and what is he doing reading my hard disk ?" > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 19 11:24:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from euclid.cs.niu.edu (euclid.cs.niu.edu [131.156.145.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7718637B479 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (rickert@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by euclid.cs.niu.edu (8.12.0.PreAlpha2/8.12.0.PreAlpha2) with ESMTP id e9JIO5406707; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:24:05 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.2 06/08/2000 To: "Dave Wilson" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, sendmail-questions@sendmail.org Reply-To: sendmail-questions@sendmail.org Subject: Re: Moving mail to another server for 700 accounts References: <022d01c039f9$855d5460$112821c4@sai.co.za> In-Reply-To: Message from "Dave Wilson" of "Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:22:16 +0200." <022d01c039f9$855d5460$112821c4@sai.co.za> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:24:05 -0500 Message-ID: <6704.971979845@euclid.cs.niu.edu> From: Neil W Rickert Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Dave Wilson" wrote: >Hi guys, howzit going ? >I have been given the wonderful *not* job of moving 700 mail accounts to a >non-unix mail server. >I have a little script that Phillip(FreeBSD-ISP list *thanks*) helped me out >with that allows me to move each mail accounts data to a specified SMTP >server, the only problem is that I can only do it one account at a time >....which would be a bit tiresome with 700 mail accounts >This is the script Phillip gave me which works perfectly for one user at a >time: >formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi $USERNAME@new.mail.server < >/var/mail/$USERNAME >So what I would type is: >formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi user1@new.mail.server < >/var/mail/user1 >The problem is that I would have to do this for each account ie. user1, >user2, user3 etc. all the way up to user700. That sounds like a simple shell job cd /var/mail for USERNAME in * do formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi $USERNAME@new.mail.server < /var/mail/$USERNAME done This assume Bourne shell. On the sendmail command, I would add '-odd' after the '-oi'. That defers all of this mail until the next queue run. If you start up too many delivery processes, all at the same time, you may overload your system. If there are files other than mailboxes in /var/mail, the above may need a few changes. -NWR To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 19 17:26:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from superman.imag.net (superman.imag.net [207.200.148.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA9A37B4E5 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crap.imag.net (ws52.motionlink.net [192.168.44.52]) by superman.imag.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e9K0V5g08042 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001019172916.03d34e38@mail.imag.net> X-Sender: van2537@mail.imag.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:29:37 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Luke Cowell Subject: encrypted password conversion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a solaris system and I need to copy some of those users from that system to a FreeBSD system. I have figured out a way to put the shadow and password entries into one file to make it compatible with the FreeBSD system with one exception. Solaris uses a different encryption scheme for the password file than freebsd. Is there a way to make a FreeBSD system use the same method ? TIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Luke Cowell Motionlink Internet Senior Systems Administrator http://www.imag.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 19 17:36:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649C337B4C5 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mercury.jorsm.com (Postfix, from userid 101) id 87170E4A70; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:36:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.jorsm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FFCAE0C23; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:36:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:36:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Lynch To: Luke Cowell Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: encrypted password conversion In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001019172916.03d34e38@mail.imag.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Luke Cowell wrote: > I have a solaris system and I need to copy some of those users from that > system to a FreeBSD system. I have figured out a way to put the shadow and > password entries into one file to make it compatible with the FreeBSD > system with one exception. Solaris uses a different encryption scheme for > the password file than freebsd. Is there a way to make a FreeBSD system use > the same method ? You need to the DES libraries and change the symlinks to point to them. Run /stand/sysinstall, it's on a menu option. --jeff ============================================================================ Jeffrey A. Lynch | JORSM Internet, Regional Internet Services email: jeff@jorsm.com | 7 Area Codes in Chicagoland and NW Indiana Voice: (219)322-2180 | 100Mbps+ Connectivity, 56K-DS3, V.90, ISDN Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com | Quality Service, Affordable Prices http://www.jorsm.com | Serving Gov, Biz, Residential Since 1995 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 19 20:33:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.sheltonbbs.com (mail.sheltonbbs.com [206.196.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6754E37B4C5 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28755 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2000 03:47:25 -0000 Received: from systemadmin.sheltonbbs.com (63.102.143.76) by mail.sheltonbbs.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2000 03:47:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:33:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Butch Evans X-Sender: root@systemadmin.sheltonbbs.com To: Freebsd-ISP Subject: Win 98 Image Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I need to come up with a solution pretty quickly. Does anyone have any pointers on creating a "restore CD" for a Win98 installation? I have been experimenting with a couple of the "small" Linuxes. I have used the GNU Parted software in these experiments, but it is still under development, and I cannot get it to do what I want. Any ideas on a FreeBSD/PicoBSD solution? -- Butch Evans Shelton Internet Network Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 20 1:19:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f250.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.148.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772E337B4F9 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:19:51 -0700 Received: from 213.167.0.2 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:19:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.167.0.2] From: "Julien Clauzel" To: jfmays@launchpad.win.net, davew@sai.co.za, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: sendmail-questions@sendmail.org Subject: Re: Moving mail to another server for 700 accounts Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:19:51 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2000 08:19:51.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[84BDAAD0:01C03A6E] Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, What about the users password how do you manage to export them is there a way to do that easyly? Julien >From: "Joe Mays" >To: "Dave Wilson" , >CC: >Subject: Re: Moving mail to another server for 700 accounts >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:20:25 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [216.136.204.125] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBBB886CD000F40042A15D888CC7D55A00; Thu Oct 19 11:22:15 2000 >Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.18])by >mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTPid 191FC6E2869; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 >11:21:50 -0700 (PDT) >Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 538)id DE07C37B4E5; Thu, >19 Oct 2000 11:21:48 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])by hub.freebsd.org >(Postfix) with SMTPid BE91A2E80CA; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:21:48 -0700 (PDT) >Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:21:48 >-0700 >Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [216.24.27.3])by hub.freebsd.org >(Postfix) with ESMTP id A187637B4CFfor ; Thu, 19 >Oct 2000 11:21:45 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from ENGINEERING01 (216-24-1-215.win.net [216.24.1.215])by >ns1.win.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e9JILM118807;Thu, 19 Oct 2000 >14:21:23 -0400 (EDT) >From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 19 11:39:23 2000 >Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org >Message-ID: <001501c039f9$410aa330$d70118d8@ENGINEERING01> >References: <022d01c039f9$855d5460$112821c4@sai.co.za> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 >Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG >X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Precedence: bulk > >Not sure if I've missed something, but it looks to me like all you need is > >#/bin/sh >for USERNAME in `cat listofusernames.txt` > do > formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi $USERNAME@new.mail.server >< >/var/mail/$USERNAME > done >exit > >where "listofusernames.txt" is a text file containing a list of all the >usernames to be moved. > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave Wilson" >To: >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 2:22 PM >Subject: Moving mail to another server for 700 accounts > > > > Hi guys, howzit going ? > > > > I have been given the wonderful *not* job of moving 700 mail accounts to >a > > non-unix mail server. > > I have a little script that Phillip(FreeBSD-ISP list *thanks*) helped me >out > > with that allows me to move each mail accounts data to a specified SMTP > > server, the only problem is that I can only do it one account at a time > > ....which would be a bit tiresome with 700 mail accounts > > This is the script Phillip gave me which works perfectly for one user at >a > > time: > > > > formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi $USERNAME@new.mail.server < > > /var/mail/$USERNAME > > > > So what I would type is: > > formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi user1@new.mail.server < > > /var/mail/user1 > > > > The problem is that I would have to do this for each account ie. user1, > > user2, user3 etc. all the way up to user700. > > > > Does anyone know how I can get all 700 accounts across in one go ? > > I have tried various bash variables etc. to get this working but don't >seem > > to have any luck > > Don't laugh, but this is one way I tried ;-) : > > > > # awk -F: '$3 > 100 { print $1}' /etc/passwd > /etc/mail/everyone >#Gets > > all users listed on /etc/mail/everyone > > # ALLUSERS=`cat /etc/mail/everyone` > > #Sets the variable for all my users > > # formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi $ALLUSERS@new.mail.server >< > > /var/mail/$ALLUSERS #Tries to mail the whole lot off. > > > > Doing the above led to sendmail or bash or something complaing about an > > "ambiguous redirect" ?? > > > > I donno, I'm really lost and don't feel like spending 5 hours moving >each > > accounts' mail separately, please help if you can.... I would appreciate >it > > a hell of a lot. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Regards > > Dave Wilson > > The S.A. Internet > > (033) 3456777 > > 0825496159 > > http://www.sai.co.za > > "Who is "General Failure", and what is he doing reading my hard disk ?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 20 1:52: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cstone.net (mail.cstone.net [209.145.64.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0121D37B479 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cstone.net (bilmax.cho.cstone.net [209.145.79.244]) by mail.cstone.net (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9K8ofx12976; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 04:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39F00B46.3B533E3E@cstone.net> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 05:07:18 -0400 From: Bill Reid X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julien Clauzel Cc: jfmays@launchpad.win.net, davew@sai.co.za, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, sendmail-questions@sendmail.org Subject: Re: Moving mail to another server for 700 accounts References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Probably the best thing to do is sniff them. If it is a non unix machine you may not be able to use the encrypted passwords. I don't know all of the types but they may not match up. It should be pretty obvious if you look at the size of the string. If it is the same type encryption then just move the encrypted string similar to how you moved the mail. We just went the other way (from post.office on a Digital Unix System to sendmail on FreeBSD) and installed a sniffer. sniff is what we used. As for the mail... it was very similar to what you did using formail and procmail. Still there was the need to strip a ^M off of every line between formail and procmail because netscape was confusing the headers.. My buddy Joe said it was formail inserting the ^M. I still have not figured out why. cat /etc/master.passwd will show you the encrypted strings. you can | cut -d":" -f1,2 to get the usernames:encrypted strings. cat /etc/master.passwd | ut -d":" -f1,2 What type of system is the mail being moved too? 11,000 moved gave us a little trouble. :) aliases, listserv,forwards,blah blah. post.office is not a real mail server. later, -=Bill Julien Clauzel wrote: > Hi, > > What about the users password how do you manage to export them is there a > way to do that easyly? > > Julien > > >From: "Joe Mays" > >To: "Dave Wilson" , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Moving mail to another server for 700 accounts > >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:20:25 -0400 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from [216.136.204.125] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > >MHotMailBBB886CD000F40042A15D888CC7D55A00; Thu Oct 19 11:22:15 2000 > >Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.18])by > >mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTPid 191FC6E2869; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 > >11:21:50 -0700 (PDT) > >Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 538)id DE07C37B4E5; Thu, > >19 Oct 2000 11:21:48 -0700 (PDT) > >Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])by hub.freebsd.org > >(Postfix) with SMTPid BE91A2E80CA; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:21:48 -0700 (PDT) > >Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:21:48 > >-0700 > >Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [216.24.27.3])by hub.freebsd.org > >(Postfix) with ESMTP id A187637B4CFfor ; Thu, 19 > >Oct 2000 11:21:45 -0700 (PDT) > >Received: from ENGINEERING01 (216-24-1-215.win.net [216.24.1.215])by > >ns1.win.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e9JILM118807;Thu, 19 Oct 2000 > >14:21:23 -0400 (EDT) > >From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 19 11:39:23 2000 > >Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > >Message-ID: <001501c039f9$410aa330$d70118d8@ENGINEERING01> > >References: <022d01c039f9$855d5460$112821c4@sai.co.za> > >X-Priority: 3 > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > >Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > >X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >Precedence: bulk > > > >Not sure if I've missed something, but it looks to me like all you need is > > > >#/bin/sh > >for USERNAME in `cat listofusernames.txt` > > do > > formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi $USERNAME@new.mail.server > >< > >/var/mail/$USERNAME > > done > >exit > > > >where "listofusernames.txt" is a text file containing a list of all the > >usernames to be moved. > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Dave Wilson" > >To: > >Cc: > >Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 2:22 PM > >Subject: Moving mail to another server for 700 accounts > > > > > > > Hi guys, howzit going ? > > > > > > I have been given the wonderful *not* job of moving 700 mail accounts to > >a > > > non-unix mail server. > > > I have a little script that Phillip(FreeBSD-ISP list *thanks*) helped me > >out > > > with that allows me to move each mail accounts data to a specified SMTP > > > server, the only problem is that I can only do it one account at a time > > > ....which would be a bit tiresome with 700 mail accounts > > > This is the script Phillip gave me which works perfectly for one user at > >a > > > time: > > > > > > formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi $USERNAME@new.mail.server < > > > /var/mail/$USERNAME > > > > > > So what I would type is: > > > formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi user1@new.mail.server < > > > /var/mail/user1 > > > > > > The problem is that I would have to do this for each account ie. user1, > > > user2, user3 etc. all the way up to user700. > > > > > > Does anyone know how I can get all 700 accounts across in one go ? > > > I have tried various bash variables etc. to get this working but don't > >seem > > > to have any luck > > > Don't laugh, but this is one way I tried ;-) : > > > > > > # awk -F: '$3 > 100 { print $1}' /etc/passwd > /etc/mail/everyone > >#Gets > > > all users listed on /etc/mail/everyone > > > # ALLUSERS=`cat /etc/mail/everyone` > > > #Sets the variable for all my users > > > # formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi $ALLUSERS@new.mail.server > >< > > > /var/mail/$ALLUSERS #Tries to mail the whole lot off. > > > > > > Doing the above led to sendmail or bash or something complaing about an > > > "ambiguous redirect" ?? > > > > > > I donno, I'm really lost and don't feel like spending 5 hours moving > >each > > > accounts' mail separately, please help if you can.... I would appreciate > >it > > > a hell of a lot. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > Dave Wilson > > > The S.A. Internet > > > (033) 3456777 > > > 0825496159 > > > http://www.sai.co.za > > > "Who is "General Failure", and what is he doing reading my hard disk ?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 20 3:21:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f61.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E0637B4E5 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 03:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 03:21:40 -0700 Received: from 213.167.0.2 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:21:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.167.0.2] From: "Julien Clauzel" To: wer@cstone.net Cc: jfmays@launchpad.win.net, davew@sai.co.za, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, sendmail-questions@sendmail.org Subject: Re: Moving mail to another server for 700 accounts Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:21:40 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2000 10:21:40.0993 (UTC) FILETIME=[8995D710:01C03A7F] Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thx Bill for you're feedback. We are moving the mail to an other platform... so we cannont move the passwd file. I was thinking of patching the pop3 daemon if we have source code (to dump login,passwds) but then we miss impa4 users, so we have to patch that too. But the trouble is i think that most imap4 clients encrypts passwds... oki, i understant we can tcpdump but then how to revert imap4 encrypted passwds ? Julien >From: Bill Reid >To: Julien Clauzel >CC: jfmays@launchpad.win.net, davew@sai.co.za, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, >sendmail-questions@sendmail.org >Subject: Re: Moving mail to another server for 700 accounts >Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 05:07:18 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [209.145.64.80] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBBB95286006BD82197A1D191405005980; Fri Oct 20 01:51:19 2000 >Received: from cstone.net (bilmax.cho.cstone.net [209.145.79.244])by >mail.cstone.net (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9K8ofx12976;Fri, 20 Oct 2000 >04:50:41 -0400 (EDT) >From wer@cstone.net Fri Oct 20 01:52:16 2000 >Message-ID: <39F00B46.3B533E3E@cstone.net> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) >X-Accept-Language: en >References: > >Probably the best thing to do is sniff them. If it is a non unix machine >you >may not be able to use the encrypted passwords. I don't know all of the >types >but they may not match up. It should be pretty obvious if you look at the >size >of the string. If it is the same type encryption then just move the >encrypted >string similar to how you moved the mail. > >We just went the other way (from post.office on a Digital Unix System to >sendmail on FreeBSD) and installed a sniffer. sniff is what we used. As >for >the mail... it was very similar to what you did using formail and procmail. >Still there was the need to strip a ^M off of every line between formail >and >procmail because netscape was confusing the headers.. My buddy Joe said it >was >formail inserting the ^M. I still have not figured out why. > >cat /etc/master.passwd will show you the encrypted strings. you can | cut >-d":" >-f1,2 to get the usernames:encrypted strings. > >cat /etc/master.passwd | ut -d":" -f1,2 > >What type of system is the mail being moved too? > >11,000 moved gave us a little trouble. :) >aliases, listserv,forwards,blah blah. >post.office is not a real mail server. > >later, >-=Bill > >Julien Clauzel wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > What about the users password how do you manage to export them is there >a > > way to do that easyly? > > > > Julien > > > > >From: "Joe Mays" > > >To: "Dave Wilson" , > > >CC: > > >Subject: Re: Moving mail to another server for 700 accounts > > >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:20:25 -0400 > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >Received: from [216.136.204.125] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > > >MHotMailBBB886CD000F40042A15D888CC7D55A00; Thu Oct 19 11:22:15 2000 > > >Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.18])by > > >mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTPid 191FC6E2869; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 > > >11:21:50 -0700 (PDT) > > >Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 538)id DE07C37B4E5; >Thu, > > >19 Oct 2000 11:21:48 -0700 (PDT) > > >Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])by hub.freebsd.org > > >(Postfix) with SMTPid BE91A2E80CA; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:21:48 -0700 >(PDT) > > >Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 >11:21:48 > > >-0700 > > >Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [216.24.27.3])by >hub.freebsd.org > > >(Postfix) with ESMTP id A187637B4CFfor ; Thu, >19 > > >Oct 2000 11:21:45 -0700 (PDT) > > >Received: from ENGINEERING01 (216-24-1-215.win.net [216.24.1.215])by > > >ns1.win.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e9JILM118807;Thu, 19 Oct 2000 > > >14:21:23 -0400 (EDT) > > >From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 19 11:39:23 2000 > > >Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > > >Message-ID: <001501c039f9$410aa330$d70118d8@ENGINEERING01> > > >References: <022d01c039f9$855d5460$112821c4@sai.co.za> > > >X-Priority: 3 > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > > >Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > >X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > >Precedence: bulk > > > > > >Not sure if I've missed something, but it looks to me like all you need >is > > > > > >#/bin/sh > > >for USERNAME in `cat listofusernames.txt` > > > do > > > formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi >$USERNAME@new.mail.server > > >< > > >/var/mail/$USERNAME > > > done > > >exit > > > > > >where "listofusernames.txt" is a text file containing a list of all the > > >usernames to be moved. > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Dave Wilson" > > >To: > > >Cc: > > >Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 2:22 PM > > >Subject: Moving mail to another server for 700 accounts > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, howzit going ? > > > > > > > > I have been given the wonderful *not* job of moving 700 mail >accounts to > > >a > > > > non-unix mail server. > > > > I have a little script that Phillip(FreeBSD-ISP list *thanks*) >helped me > > >out > > > > with that allows me to move each mail accounts data to a specified >SMTP > > > > server, the only problem is that I can only do it one account at a >time > > > > ....which would be a bit tiresome with 700 mail accounts > > > > This is the script Phillip gave me which works perfectly for one >user at > > >a > > > > time: > > > > > > > > formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi $USERNAME@new.mail.server >< > > > > /var/mail/$USERNAME > > > > > > > > So what I would type is: > > > > formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi user1@new.mail.server < > > > > /var/mail/user1 > > > > > > > > The problem is that I would have to do this for each account ie. >user1, > > > > user2, user3 etc. all the way up to user700. > > > > > > > > Does anyone know how I can get all 700 accounts across in one go ? > > > > I have tried various bash variables etc. to get this working but >don't > > >seem > > > > to have any luck > > > > Don't laugh, but this is one way I tried ;-) : > > > > > > > > # awk -F: '$3 > 100 { print $1}' /etc/passwd > /etc/mail/everyone > > >#Gets > > > > all users listed on /etc/mail/everyone > > > > # ALLUSERS=`cat /etc/mail/everyone` > > > > #Sets the variable for all my users > > > > # formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi >$ALLUSERS@new.mail.server > > >< > > > > /var/mail/$ALLUSERS #Tries to mail the whole lot off. > > > > > > > > Doing the above led to sendmail or bash or something complaing about >an > > > > "ambiguous redirect" ?? > > > > > > > > I donno, I'm really lost and don't feel like spending 5 hours moving > > >each > > > > accounts' mail separately, please help if you can.... I would >appreciate > > >it > > > > a hell of a lot. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Dave Wilson > > > > The S.A. Internet > > > > (033) 3456777 > > > > 0825496159 > > > > http://www.sai.co.za > > > > "Who is "General Failure", and what is he doing reading my hard disk >?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 20 7:41:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from postmarq.mu.edu (hermes.mu.edu [134.48.1.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4424637B4C5 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marquette.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by postmarq.mu.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G2QGSR00.PU5; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:41:15 -0500 From: Jeremy Vandenhouten To: Butch Evans , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <4f6b674f068c.4f068c4f6b67@marquette.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:41:15 -0500 X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: Re: Win 98 Image X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As much as this solution isn't necessarily a freebsd one, it can be easily done on a dos boot disk. Have you ever tried ghost? What you can do is get the hard drive all set up however you want it. Make an image of that and burn it to a cd (it should fit as I've done this several times when I used to build preinstall systems) then on the "bootdisk/restore" disk for the new machine there are a number of command line options you can throw into autoexec to run ghost automatically and pull the image off the cd and ghost it right onto the drive, exactly the way you set it up originally. ----- Original Message ----- From: Butch Evans Date: Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:33 pm Subject: Win 98 Image > I need to come up with a solution pretty quickly. Does anyone have > any pointers on creating a "restore CD" for a Win98 installation? I > have been experimenting with a couple of the "small" Linuxes. I have > used the GNU Parted software in these experiments, but it is still > under development, and I cannot get it to do what I want. Any ideas > on a FreeBSD/PicoBSD solution? > > -- > Butch Evans > Shelton Internet > Network Admin > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 20 14:27:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.psknet.com (orion.psknet.com [207.198.61.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 750BF37B479 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 67294 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2000 21:27:05 -0000 Received: from arcadia.psknet.com (HELO arcadia) (207.198.61.250) by orion.psknet.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2000 21:27:05 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: "Julien Clauzel" Cc: Subject: RE: Moving mail to another server for 700 accounts Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:27:04 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-AntiVirus: scanned for viruses by AMaViS 0.2.1-pre3 (http://amavis.org/) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Guessing, it sounds like you're probably using the UW-IMAP and POP3 daemons. If this is the case, patching both of those to capture passwords is fairly trivial. I did this last year to move ~5k mailboxes from FreeBSD to NT. After a month, we only recovered about 90% of the passwords, but it was well worth the effort. The passwords that we didn't recover were users who never used their mail anyways. I'd reccomend that you dump to a text file (mod 0600, owned by root), and cruch this file on a nightly basis so it doesn't grow too large. Now, just a bit of advice. I've done the FreeBSD -> NT migration for mail. The NT mail server, which was twice the hardware, was /NOT/ able to keep up with the load. I understand that the decision is probably not yours to make (it was not mine to make either), but I would strongly reccomend that you re-think the decision to move to NT (assuming that this is the 'other platform' you're moving to). IMO, such a move is a great dis-service to your customers. -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Julien Clauzel > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 8:22 AM > To: wer@cstone.net > Cc: jfmays@launchpad.win.net; davew@sai.co.za; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; > sendmail-questions@sendmail.org > Subject: Re: Moving mail to another server for 700 accounts > > > > Thx Bill for you're feedback. We are moving the mail to an other > platform... > so we cannont move the passwd file. I was thinking of patching the pop3 > daemon if we have source code (to dump login,passwds) but then we > miss impa4 > users, so we have to patch that too. But the trouble is i think that most > imap4 clients encrypts passwds... oki, i understant we can > tcpdump but then > how to revert imap4 encrypted passwds ? > > Julien > > >From: Bill Reid > >To: Julien Clauzel > >CC: jfmays@launchpad.win.net, davew@sai.co.za, > freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, > >sendmail-questions@sendmail.org > >Subject: Re: Moving mail to another server for 700 accounts > >Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 05:07:18 -0400 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from [209.145.64.80] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > >MHotMailBBB95286006BD82197A1D191405005980; Fri Oct 20 01:51:19 2000 > >Received: from cstone.net (bilmax.cho.cstone.net [209.145.79.244])by > >mail.cstone.net (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9K8ofx12976;Fri, > 20 Oct 2000 > >04:50:41 -0400 (EDT) > >From wer@cstone.net Fri Oct 20 01:52:16 2000 > >Message-ID: <39F00B46.3B533E3E@cstone.net> > >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) > >X-Accept-Language: en > >References: > > > >Probably the best thing to do is sniff them. If it is a non > unix machine > >you > >may not be able to use the encrypted passwords. I don't know all of the > >types > >but they may not match up. It should be pretty obvious if you > look at the > >size > >of the string. If it is the same type encryption then just move the > >encrypted > >string similar to how you moved the mail. > > > >We just went the other way (from post.office on a Digital Unix System to > >sendmail on FreeBSD) and installed a sniffer. sniff is what we > used. As > >for > >the mail... it was very similar to what you did using formail > and procmail. > >Still there was the need to strip a ^M off of every line between formail > >and > >procmail because netscape was confusing the headers.. My buddy > Joe said it > >was > >formail inserting the ^M. I still have not figured out why. > > > >cat /etc/master.passwd will show you the encrypted strings. you > can | cut > >-d":" > >-f1,2 to get the usernames:encrypted strings. > > > >cat /etc/master.passwd | ut -d":" -f1,2 > > > >What type of system is the mail being moved too? > > > >11,000 moved gave us a little trouble. :) > >aliases, listserv,forwards,blah blah. > >post.office is not a real mail server. > > > >later, > >-=Bill > > > >Julien Clauzel wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > What about the users password how do you manage to export > them is there > >a > > > way to do that easyly? > > > > > > Julien > > > > > > >From: "Joe Mays" > > > >To: "Dave Wilson" , > > > >CC: > > > >Subject: Re: Moving mail to another server for 700 accounts > > > >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:20:25 -0400 > > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > >Received: from [216.136.204.125] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > > > >MHotMailBBB886CD000F40042A15D888CC7D55A00; Thu Oct 19 11:22:15 2000 > > > >Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.18])by > > > >mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTPid 191FC6E2869; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 > > > >11:21:50 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 538)id > DE07C37B4E5; > >Thu, > > > >19 Oct 2000 11:21:48 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])by hub.freebsd.org > > > >(Postfix) with SMTPid BE91A2E80CA; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:21:48 -0700 > >(PDT) > > > >Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 > >11:21:48 > > > >-0700 > > > >Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [216.24.27.3])by > >hub.freebsd.org > > > >(Postfix) with ESMTP id A187637B4CFfor > ; Thu, > >19 > > > >Oct 2000 11:21:45 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Received: from ENGINEERING01 (216-24-1-215.win.net [216.24.1.215])by > > > >ns1.win.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e9JILM118807;Thu, > 19 Oct 2000 > > > >14:21:23 -0400 (EDT) > > > >From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 19 11:39:23 2000 > > > >Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > > > >Message-ID: <001501c039f9$410aa330$d70118d8@ENGINEERING01> > > > >References: <022d01c039f9$855d5460$112821c4@sai.co.za> > > > >X-Priority: 3 > > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > > > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > > > >Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > > >X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > >Precedence: bulk > > > > > > > >Not sure if I've missed something, but it looks to me like > all you need > >is > > > > > > > >#/bin/sh > > > >for USERNAME in `cat listofusernames.txt` > > > > do > > > > formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi > >$USERNAME@new.mail.server > > > >< > > > >/var/mail/$USERNAME > > > > done > > > >exit > > > > > > > >where "listofusernames.txt" is a text file containing a list > of all the > > > >usernames to be moved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Dave Wilson" > > > >To: > > > >Cc: > > > >Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 2:22 PM > > > >Subject: Moving mail to another server for 700 accounts > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, howzit going ? > > > > > > > > > > I have been given the wonderful *not* job of moving 700 mail > >accounts to > > > >a > > > > > non-unix mail server. > > > > > I have a little script that Phillip(FreeBSD-ISP list *thanks*) > >helped me > > > >out > > > > > with that allows me to move each mail accounts data to a > specified > >SMTP > > > > > server, the only problem is that I can only do it one > account at a > >time > > > > > ....which would be a bit tiresome with 700 mail accounts > > > > > This is the script Phillip gave me which works perfectly for one > >user at > > > >a > > > > > time: > > > > > > > > > > formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi > $USERNAME@new.mail.server > >< > > > > > /var/mail/$USERNAME > > > > > > > > > > So what I would type is: > > > > > formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi > user1@new.mail.server < > > > > > /var/mail/user1 > > > > > > > > > > The problem is that I would have to do this for each account ie. > >user1, > > > > > user2, user3 etc. all the way up to user700. > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know how I can get all 700 accounts across in one go ? > > > > > I have tried various bash variables etc. to get this working but > >don't > > > >seem > > > > > to have any luck > > > > > Don't laugh, but this is one way I tried ;-) : > > > > > > > > > > # awk -F: '$3 > 100 { print $1}' /etc/passwd > /etc/mail/everyone > > > >#Gets > > > > > all users listed on /etc/mail/everyone > > > > > # ALLUSERS=`cat /etc/mail/everyone` > > > > > #Sets the variable for all my users > > > > > # formail -b -Y -f -s /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi > >$ALLUSERS@new.mail.server > > > >< > > > > > /var/mail/$ALLUSERS #Tries to mail the whole lot off. > > > > > > > > > > Doing the above led to sendmail or bash or something > complaing about > >an > > > > > "ambiguous redirect" ?? > > > > > > > > > > I donno, I'm really lost and don't feel like spending 5 > hours moving > > > >each > > > > > accounts' mail separately, please help if you can.... I would > >appreciate > > > >it > > > > > a hell of a lot. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Dave Wilson > > > > > The S.A. Internet > > > > > (033) 3456777 > > > > > 0825496159 > > > > > http://www.sai.co.za > > > > > "Who is "General Failure", and what is he doing reading > my hard disk > >?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 20 16:17:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aspenworks.com (aspenworks.com [192.94.236.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BE537B479 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aspenworks.com (hh1127215.direcpc.com [206.71.127.215]) by aspenworks.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9KNHf969659 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:17:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <39F0D0A6.9854D4A6@aspenworks.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:09:26 -0600 From: Alex Reply-To: alex@aspenworks.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: free Subject: Web site manager Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Okay, We're looking to expand our webservices to even more people. I've been looking for a good Website management package.. We'd like to enable our business clients to more fully manage their services without having to depend on us. My dream package: - interfaces to Open Domain Registration (ya, tucows open registration) - create *client* accounts which allow email to be managed by the owner of the account o add an email o drop one o email forwarding o alias list management o distribution / majordomo by the client - interface to a credit card billing system for online signups - create ftp accounts A combo of Webmin, cgi/php code and some other twists is what we currently use. Cheers, -Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 20 17: 6:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.home.hentschel.net (d83b0468.dsl.flashcom.net [216.59.4.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05E737B479 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hentschel.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.home.hentschel.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9L0CVK38403; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:12:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thomas@hentschel.net) Message-Id: <200010210012.e9L0CVK38403@falcon.home.hentschel.net> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:12:30 -0700 (PDT) From: thomas@hentschel.net Subject: Re: Web site manager To: alex@aspenworks.com Cc: free In-Reply-To: <39F0D0A6.9854D4A6@aspenworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 20 Oct, Alex wrote: > Okay, > > We're looking to expand our webservices to even more people. I've > been looking for a good Website management package.. We'd like to > enable our business clients to more fully manage their services > without having to depend on us. > > My dream package: > > - interfaces to Open Domain Registration (ya, tucows open > registration) > - create *client* accounts which allow email to be managed by the > owner of the account > o add an email > o drop one > o email forwarding > o alias list management > o distribution / majordomo by the client > - interface to a credit card billing system for online signups > - create ftp accounts > > A combo of Webmin, cgi/php code and some other twists is what we > currently use. > > Cheers, > > -Alex Take a look at hSphere (www.psoft.net) -Th To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 21 6:33: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f149.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08A037B479 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 06:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 06:32:57 -0700 Received: from 212.11.3.16 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 13:32:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [212.11.3.16] From: "Julien Clauzel" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Moving mail to another server for 700 accounts Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:32:57 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2000 13:32:57.0666 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CA0EA20:01C03B63] Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thank you all for your answsers and hints ! I think I'll go for patching pop3 and imap. Troy do you have a sample on how to use mod 0600 in that case ? Julien >From: "Sean Winn" >To: "Julien Clauzel" >Subject: Re: Moving mail to another server for 700 accounts >Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:06:10 +1100 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [203.23.49.132] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBBBA61340007D82197F0CB17318404D10; Fri Oct 20 21:06:14 2000 >Received: from mysterious (mysterious.gothic.net.au [202.182.72.29])by >visi.gothic.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id EAA261F21for >; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:06:10 +1100 (EST) >From sean@gothic.net.au Fri Oct 20 21:10:07 2000 >Message-ID: <002c01c03b14$3f861370$1d48b6ca@mysterious> >References: >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > >It's at least worth a shot; I've started that here and don't have any >apparent problems (I use SSL-IMAP, so the cleartext isn't a problem); I >needed the front-end to map 'username@somedomain' to 'realmailboxname' >using >the virtusertable.db from sendmail, so I hacked it together and it seems to >work OK (I added IPv6 stuff for completeness, though I'd be shocked if >anyone actually used it...) > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Julien Clauzel" >To: >Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 4:15 AM >Subject: Re: Moving mail to another server for 700 accounts > > > > Great Thx ! So you think that if i disable challange response the imap > > clients will be 'inteligent' enought to revert to plain text auth ? > > > > > > IMAP4 allows encrypted passwords, but doesn't require it; if you're >hacking > > the IMAP4 anyway, try turning off any authentication scheme except > > plaintext. > > > > (I use an IMAP front end to IMAP and POP3 that pre-authenticates the >users > > and does some username mapping, and it only supports 'LOGIN'/plaintext > > authentication; it fakes the CAPABILITY command in IMAP to disable any >AUTH= > > lines to prevent any client trying challenge/response type >authentications. > > It seems to work OK for Outlook Express, PINE, mutt and an IMAP4 web >client) > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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