From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 18 0: 3:20 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 00:03:18 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [209.210.251.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5332B37B400 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 00:03:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from outel.org (gatekeeper.calweb.com [209.210.251.61]) by mail.calweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA96729; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 00:03:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A3DC547.26326197@outel.org> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 00:05:27 -0800 From: "Joel M. Baldwin" Organization: Calweb Internet Services Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: newsgroup server recommendation References: <20001216102531.B44550@evilcode.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We're using dnews for our news server. But I wouldn't recommend for if you're going to LOTS of readers or LOTS of feeds. We have a box running Diablo as the front end to dnews so it only has a single incoming and outgoing feed. We set this up before Diablo had reader capability, so I can't say first hand how good Diablo is as a general nntp package, but I'd assume its pretty good. dnews would be fine in a small to medium environment. I don't know about INN. I've been out of touch with it for ages. If you're trying to do a large server with binary groups you're in trouble! I've been having over 180gig a day coming in lately. The disk subsystem on the Diablo box needs to be upgraded. It can't keep up with the 5+ meg bytes a second it needs to read/write. If you don't carry the binaries then you've dropped 90% of the system/bandwidth requirements. Consider a satellite feed. It'll save you a LOT of bandwidth! James wrote: > > I'm about to be setting up an NNTP server, and I need to > decide what software to use for this. I was wondering > if I could get some people's opinions/experiences with > the various servers available in the ports collection. > > Thanks. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 18 1:32:27 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 01:32:25 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.sai.co.za (ns1.amandla.co.za [196.33.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C861437B400 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 01:32:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from fdisk (dave.sai.co.za [196.33.40.17]) by mail.sai.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA33773 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:33:24 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from davew@sai.co.za) From: "Dave Wilson" To: Subject: Off topic - shell skills Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:33:10 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi guys, howzit going ? I have about 600 DNS zones on my DNS server, now because we are changing IP addresses on our mail server most of those zones' MX/A records will need updating. How do I write a shell script that will change: mail IN A 10.1.1.58 to: mail IN A 10.0.0.1 ? I need this script to parse through each zone, so when it finds "10.1.1.58" in a zone it will change the "10.1.1.58" to "10.0.0.1". Please help if you can. Thanks. ;-) Kindest regards David Wilson The S.A Internet #include To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 18 1:50:41 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 01:50:40 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4337437B400 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 01:50:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sherman.spotnet.org (slip-84.prairienet.org [192.17.3.104]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27023; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 03:50:25 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 03:50:21 -0600 (CST) From: David Talkington X-Sender: To: Dave Wilson Cc: Subject: Re: Off topic - shell skills In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dave Wilson wrote: > >I have about 600 DNS zones on my DNS server, now because we are changing IP >addresses on our mail server most of those zones' MX/A records will need >updating. >How do I write a shell script that will change: > >mail IN A 10.1.1.58 > >to: > >mail IN A 10.0.0.1 > >I need this script to parse through each zone, so when it finds "10.1.1.58" >in a zone it will change the "10.1.1.58" to "10.0.0.1". >Please help if you can. Perl's File::find module is great for recursive search and replace. If you don't find an easier way, I have a script that I wrote for replacing lazy PHP Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from alex.belpak.by (alex.belpak.by [193.232.248.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E5F137B400 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 01:56:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from belpak.by (alex.belpak.by [193.232.248.13]) by alex.belpak.by (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA74692; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:51:17 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from alex@belpak.by) Sender: alexbl@alex.belpak.by Message-ID: <3A3DDE15.D8E377A9@belpak.by> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:51:17 +0200 From: Alex Blagoveschensky Organization: Belpak network. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Wilson Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Off topic - shell skills References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dave Wilson wrote: > Hi guys, howzit going ? > > I have about 600 DNS zones on my DNS server, now because we are changing IP > addresses on our mail server most of those zones' MX/A records will need > updating. > How do I write a shell script that will change: > > mail IN A 10.1.1.58 > > to: > > mail IN A 10.0.0.1 > > ? > > I need this script to parse through each zone, so when it finds "10.1.1.58" > in a zone it will change the "10.1.1.58" to "10.0.0.1". > Please help if you can. > > Thanks. ;-) hello. Try this. But what will you do with Serial in SOA ? ;-) #!/bin/sh for i in * do echo $i cat $i | sed 's/10\.1\.1\.58/10\.0\.0\.1/' >$$ mv $$ $i done -- Belpak Network http://alex.belpak.by To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 18 2:53:11 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 02:53:10 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from coltbe178.colt-telecom.be (colt-telecom.customer.BE.COLT.NET [212.35.96.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7261837B402 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 02:53:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from coltbeexch01.colt-telecom.be (unverified) by coltbe178.colt-telecom.be (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:59:24 +0100 Received: by COLTBEEXCH01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:51:35 +0100 Message-ID: From: Livens Wim To: 'Dave Wilson' , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Off topic - shell skills Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:51:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > How do I write a shell script that will change: > > mail IN A 10.1.1.58 > > to: > > mail IN A 10.0.0.1 > > > ? > > I need this script to parse through each zone, so when it > finds "10.1.1.58" > in a zone it will change the "10.1.1.58" to "10.0.0.1". > Please help if you can. Just to give you an awk-alternative: pipe your zonefiles through this: awk '/10.1.1.58/ {if ($1=="mail"&&$2=="IN"&&$3="A") print $1"\t"$2"\t"$3"\t10.0.0.1"; else print $0;} !/10.1.1.58/ {print}' It's probably far from optimal but it will not just change *any* occurance of that ip address, as in the sed example; only the A records for hosts named "mail". -- Wim Livens Internet Engineer COLT Telecom Brussels To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 18 3:55:29 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 03:55:28 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from grok.example.net (a0g1355ly34tj.bc.hsia.telus.net [216.232.254.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E09F37B400 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 03:55:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by grok.example.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 00739213130; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 03:55:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 03:55:13 -0800 From: Steve Reid To: Dave Wilson Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Off topic - shell skills Message-ID: <20001218035513.A33674@grok.bc.hsia.telus.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Dave Wilson on Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 11:33:10AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 11:33:10AM +0200, Dave Wilson wrote: > How do I write a shell script that will change: [whatever] > to: [whatever] This one seems to come up every once in a while... Perl is probably easiest for in-place search-and-replace: perl -pi.old -e 's/10\.1\.1\.58/10\.0\.0\.1/g' fileone filetwo ... Remove the ".old" if you don't care to save the originals. The flags are explained fairly well in `perl -h`. It doesn't get much easier than that. :) The only downside is that it recreates every file (new inode (un-hardlinks) with updated [acm]time), even if no change was actually made. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 18 4:19:44 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 04:19:42 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.psknet.com (orion.psknet.com [63.171.251.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BC5E237B400 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:19:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4158 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 12:19:33 -0000 Received: from abyss.dashit.net (HELO ABYSS) (209.100.22.250) by orion.psknet.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 12:19:33 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: "Livens Wim" , "'Dave Wilson'" , Subject: RE: Off topic - shell skills Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 07:19:33 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-AntiVirus: scanned for viruses by Pulaski Networks (http://www.psknet.com) using AMaViS (http://www.amavis.org) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dave, As a future timesaver (because you will have to do this again someday), you might want to take the time now to eliminate all A records to mail, and set the following: mail IN CNAME mail.ISP.net. @ IN MX 10 mail.ISP.net. By doing this, you've dropped your editing needs to 1 line in 1 zone file. G'luck, -Troy ** -----Original Message----- ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Livens Wim ** Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 5:51 AM ** To: 'Dave Wilson'; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** Subject: RE: Off topic - shell skills ** ** ** > How do I write a shell script that will change: ** > ** > mail IN A 10.1.1.58 ** > ** > to: ** > ** > mail IN A 10.0.0.1 ** > ** > ** > ? ** > ** > I need this script to parse through each zone, so when it ** > finds "10.1.1.58" ** > in a zone it will change the "10.1.1.58" to "10.0.0.1". ** > Please help if you can. ** ** Just to give you an awk-alternative: pipe your zonefiles through this: ** ** awk '/10.1.1.58/ {if ($1=="mail"&&$2=="IN"&&$3="A") print ** $1"\t"$2"\t"$3"\t10.0.0.1"; else print $0;} !/10.1.1.58/ {print}' ** ** It's probably far from optimal but it will not just change *any* ** occurance ** of that ip address, as in the sed example; only the A records for hosts ** named "mail". ** ** -- ** Wim Livens ** Internet Engineer ** COLT Telecom ** Brussels ** ** ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 18 4:57: 8 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 04:57:06 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (dhcp-1-234.n01.orldfl01.us.ra.verio.net [157.238.210.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EADC37B400 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:57:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13307 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 07:57:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bill) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 07:56:56 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Off topic - shell skills Message-ID: <20001218075656.A13144@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@bilver.wjv.com References: <3A3DDE15.D8E377A9@belpak.by> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A3DDE15.D8E377A9@belpak.by>; from alex@belpak.by on Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 11:51:17AM +0200 Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 11:51:17AM +0200, Alex Blagoveschensky thus spoke: > Dave Wilson wrote: > > Hi guys, howzit going ? > > I have about 600 DNS zones on my DNS server, now because we are changing IP > > addresses on our mail server most of those zones' MX/A records will need > > updating. > > How do I write a shell script that will change: > > mail IN A 10.1.1.58 > > to: > > mail IN A 10.0.0.1 > > ? > > I need this script to parse through each zone, so when it finds "10.1.1.58" > > in a zone it will change the "10.1.1.58" to "10.0.0.1". > > Please help if you can. > Try this. But what will you do with Serial in SOA ? ;-) I have all the domains I manage in a separate subdirected and in each record is the line $INCLUDE named.soa Then I have one file with the serial number and all the expire time, in which I change the serial number. Never miss changing a serial number when I make lots of changes. -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 18 5:27:44 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 05:27:41 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B0237B400 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 05:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from sv.Go2France.com (sv.meiway.com [212.73.210.79]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 94FF56A90C for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:27:34 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20001218140245.03ada930@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: lconrad%Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:26:30 +0100 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: Off topic - shell skills In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I have about 600 DNS zones on my DNS server, now because we are changing IP >addresses on our mail server most of those zones' MX/A records will need >updating. >How do I write a shell script that will change: Dave, I suppose many of your 600 domains share common RR's, and maybe even many have all RR's in common. Use the very handy BIND8 $INCLUDE directive to pkg all your common resource records in one include file: ;file: db.common @ NS ns1.ispplace.com. @ NS ns2.ispplace.com. ; @ MX 10 mailhost1.ispplace.com. @ MX 20 mailhost2.ispplace.com. ; Since you probably have many virtual www and ftp and smtp servers behind common ip's, you could have only a handful of zone files to cover all 600 domains. For groupA: ;file: db.groupA (maybe 500 domains?) @ SOA ns1.ispplace.com. hostmaster.ispplace.com. ( xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx ) ; $INLCUDE db.common ; ;web stuff @ A ip.ad.re.ss www A ip.ad.re.ss ftp A ip.ad.re.ss ; ;mail stuff smtp A ip.ad.re.ss pop A ip.ad.re.ss webmail A ip.ad.re.ss Then in your named.conf, all 500 zone statements refer to the same zone file: zone "somedomain.za" file "db.groupA"; zone "otherdomain.za" file "db.groupA"; zone "mydomain.za" file "db.groupB"; etc The above approach works for 600 or 6,000 or whatever number of domains. I recommend against CNAME's as way to dissociate hostnames from ip addresses, esp when the above techniques are available and the frequency of ip renumbering is low. It seems that most people screw up CNAME's sooner or later, plus CNAME's double the DNS traffic. Len http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : Binary for ISC BIND 8.2.3 T9B for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-spam mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 18 9:38:50 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 09:38:45 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.psknet.com (orion.psknet.com [63.171.251.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 68A2737B400 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:38:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 68144 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 17:38:43 -0000 Received: from arcadia.psknet.com (HELO arcadia) (63.171.251.7) by orion.psknet.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 17:38:43 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: Subject: RE: Off topic - shell skills Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:38:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-AntiVirus: scanned for viruses by Pulaski Networks (http://www.psknet.com) using AMaViS (http://www.amavis.org) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok kids, Re-read my post. I did NOT say to use a CNAME as the MX. I suggested that you create a CNAME record to point mail.CUSTOMER.com to point to mail.ISP.net. The MX record would be to the A record for mail.ISP.net. Now, to change the mail server for 1 domain or 697823 domains, you only have to edit a single record in a single zone. That would be the A record for mail.ISP.net. This is valid, and if you actually read my post, you'll see that. In fact, there's no reason that a customer's zone file can't look something like: $ORIGIN customer.com. @ IN A 192.168.10.123 IN MX 10 mail.ISP.net. www IN CNAME @ Note that there is no record for mail.customer.com at all, it's simply not needed since the customer uses the ISP's mail server. This is how I did all of my zones at one time (I now use a script to assemble zone files from a database). And no, this will not fit everyone's needs, but it works for me and several other ISPs that I've consulted for. Any more objections to my suggestion? -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short ** -----Original Message----- ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Troy Settle ** Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 7:20 AM ** To: Livens Wim; 'Dave Wilson'; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** Subject: RE: Off topic - shell skills ** ** ** ** Dave, ** ** As a future timesaver (because you will have to do this again ** someday), you ** might want to take the time now to eliminate all A records to ** mail, and set ** the following: ** ** mail IN CNAME mail.ISP.net. ** @ IN MX 10 mail.ISP.net. ** ** By doing this, you've dropped your editing needs to 1 line in 1 ** zone file. ** ** G'luck, ** ** -Troy ** ** ** ** ** -----Original Message----- ** ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Livens Wim ** ** Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 5:51 AM ** ** To: 'Dave Wilson'; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** ** Subject: RE: Off topic - shell skills ** ** ** ** ** ** > How do I write a shell script that will change: ** ** > ** ** > mail IN A 10.1.1.58 ** ** > ** ** > to: ** ** > ** ** > mail IN A 10.0.0.1 ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ? ** ** > ** ** > I need this script to parse through each zone, so when it ** ** > finds "10.1.1.58" ** ** > in a zone it will change the "10.1.1.58" to "10.0.0.1". ** ** > Please help if you can. ** ** ** ** Just to give you an awk-alternative: pipe your zonefiles through this: ** ** ** ** awk '/10.1.1.58/ {if ($1=="mail"&&$2=="IN"&&$3="A") print ** ** $1"\t"$2"\t"$3"\t10.0.0.1"; else print $0;} !/10.1.1.58/ {print}' ** ** ** ** It's probably far from optimal but it will not just change *any* ** ** occurance ** ** of that ip address, as in the sed example; only the A records ** for hosts ** ** named "mail". ** ** ** ** -- ** ** Wim Livens ** ** Internet Engineer ** ** COLT Telecom ** ** Brussels ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 18 9:40:36 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 09:40:35 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.mho.net (smtp.mho.net [206.26.105.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B2A37B402 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:40:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from theodore ([64.58.3.35]) by smtp.mho.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with SMTP id net for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:40:33 -0700 Message-ID: <00a001c06919$b0e747e0$23033a40@mho.net> From: "Theodore Cekan" To: Subject: dhcp/ldap integration Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:41:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know of a dhcp server that uses an ldap backend? Open source is nice of course, but commercial will work too. Thanks, Ted To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 18 13:38:11 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 13:38:08 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9A937B402 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:38:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from sv.Go2France.com (sv.meiway.com [212.73.210.79]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 51C266A90B for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:38:07 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20001218222521.01a3bd90@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: lconrad%Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:37:26 +0100 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: RE: Off topic - shell skills In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Ok kids, Why the condescension, pops? >Re-read my post. I did NOT say to use a CNAME as the MX. I suggested that >you create a CNAME record to point mail.CUSTOMER.com to point to >mail.ISP.net. There ya go, 99% of the people would screw that up, at one step or other. I see it everyday in the ISC BIND list, etc, etc. Technically correct, but in practice it gets screwed up more often than not, zones are in error (non authoritative so higher traffic due to no caching) and sometimes mail isn't even delivered reliably. With the $INCLUDE approach, there is still just one record in one file to edit (just like your suggestion), but my approach avoids the frequently confusing and always higher traffic-producing CNAME of your approach. > Any more objections to my suggestion? There are no objections to your suggestion, there is just my superior suggestion. :)) Len http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : Binary for ISC BIND 8.2.3 T9B for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-spam mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 18 14:36:14 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 14:36:11 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.psknet.com (orion.psknet.com [63.171.251.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 330AC37B402 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:36:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 41796 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 22:36:09 -0000 Received: from arcadia.psknet.com (HELO arcadia) (63.171.251.7) by orion.psknet.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 22:36:09 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: "Len Conrad" , Subject: RE: Off topic - shell skills Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:35:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20001218222521.01a3bd90@mail.Go2France.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-AntiVirus: scanned for viruses by Pulaski Networks (http://www.psknet.com) using AMaViS (http://www.amavis.org) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've gotten about 10 replies to my first post... all saying "no, you can't use a CNAME for the MX" This is what led to my last post. I did not, in any way, suggest pointing the MX to a CNAME. Yes, using a $INCLUDE is another way around it. I personally don't like it, but hey, that's me. There are many answers to every problem, some right, some wrong. There is rarely a single path to reach the goal. This list is for the sharing of information, and that's what I do. I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong, but for so many people to blast me when I'm /NOT/ wrong is just plain wrong. Anyhoo, use a $INCLUDE, point the MX to the FQDN within the ISP's zone file, use a shell script or make file to assemble everything from bits and pieces or maybe even a database. I don't care. There's a ton of ways to do this stuff that work well and make sense. There is no single right answer, there is no single superior answer, and we all know that there's plenty of wrong answers. I'm sure there's a few other ingenious ways of managing large DNS servers, I for one, would love to hear about them. -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short ** -----Original Message----- ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Len Conrad ** Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 4:37 PM ** To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org ** Subject: RE: Off topic - shell skills ** ** ** ** >Ok kids, ** ** Why the condescension, pops? ** ** >Re-read my post. I did NOT say to use a CNAME as the MX. I ** suggested that ** >you create a CNAME record to point mail.CUSTOMER.com to point to ** >mail.ISP.net. ** ** There ya go, 99% of the people would screw that up, at one step or ** other. I see it everyday in the ISC BIND list, etc, etc. Technically ** correct, but in practice it gets screwed up more often than not, ** zones are in error (non authoritative so higher traffic due to no ** caching) and sometimes mail isn't even delivered reliably. ** ** With the $INCLUDE approach, there is still just one record in one ** file to edit (just like your suggestion), but my approach avoids the ** frequently confusing and always higher traffic-producing CNAME of ** your approach. ** ** > Any more objections to my suggestion? ** ** There are no objections to your suggestion, there is just my superior ** suggestion. :)) ** ** Len ** ** http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : Binary for ISC BIND 8.2.3 T9B for NT4 & W2K ** ** http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-spam mail gateways ** ** ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 18 19:14: 9 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 19:14:07 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from guardian.fortress.org (unknown [207.183.45.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B00D37B400 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:14:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from pubnix.net (guardian [198.168.253.52]) by guardian.fortress.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11209; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:13:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from andrew@pubnix.net) Sender: andrew@guardian.fortress.org Message-ID: <3A3ED26D.9F8DE524@pubnix.net> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:13:50 -0500 From: Andrew Organization: PubNIX Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: newsgroup server recommendation References: <20001216102531.B44550@evilcode.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Before you go to the trouble and expense of setting up a news server, I suggest you take a peek at NNTP-Cache. Could save you many gigabytes of transfer and storage, plus you can setup a tiny local inn server on the same machine to handle the local stuff. Also acts as a wonderful front-end to many different news services, you get the best of all worlds! James wrote: > I'm about to be setting up an NNTP server, and I need to > decide what software to use for this. I was wondering > if I could get some people's opinions/experiences with > the various servers available in the ports collection. > > Thanks. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 18 20:32:50 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 20:32:48 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0EF37B404 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:32:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 148DlR-0003UQ-00; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:48:33 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:48:20 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Andrew Cc: James , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: newsgroup server recommendation In-Reply-To: <3A3ED26D.9F8DE524@pubnix.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, Andrew wrote: > Before you go to the trouble and expense of setting up a news server, > I suggest you take a peek at NNTP-Cache. Could save you many gigabytes > of transfer and storage, plus you can setup a tiny local inn server on > the same machine to handle the local stuff. > Also acts as a wonderful front-end to many different news services, you > get the best of all worlds! Having used nntpcache for a few years and having had obtained a commerical license: - You need a license for nntpcache for commerical purposes. It can be a lot of money. You do not get support with the license. - nntpcache is buggy. I'm currently dealing with a runaway child issue. Two of the last betas have a bug that prevents them from binding to the nntp port on FreeBSD, making them useless (and very strange since nntpcache is supposedly developed on FreeBSD). That bug is supposedly fixed now, but I haven't bothered to find out. - mailing list and website is down quite a bit of the time. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 18 20:41:13 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 20:41:12 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71FB37B400 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:41:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 148Dtn-0003VC-00 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:57:11 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:57:11 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Typhoon? (was: newsgroup server recommendation) In-Reply-To: <3A3ED26D.9F8DE524@pubnix.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has Highwind Software (now bCandid) dropped support for FreeBSD? They make great news software (see www.highwind.com). The used to have a beta of Typhoon for FreeBSD available for downnload, but no longer. Various developers at @highwind.com also used to participate on the lists. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 18 22:57:35 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 22:57:33 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CB94B37B402 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:57:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 76256 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Dec 2000 06:57:30 +0000 (GMT) To: tom@sdf.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Typhoon? (was: newsgroup server recommendation) From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:57:11 -0800 (PST)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:57:30 +0100 Message-ID: <76254.977209050@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Has Highwind Software (now bCandid) dropped support for FreeBSD? They > make great news software (see www.highwind.com). The used to have a beta > of Typhoon for FreeBSD available for downnload, but no longer. Various > developers at @highwind.com also used to participate on the lists. Yes, they have. Supposedly because FreeBSD's thread system isn't good enough. As a result of this, we're moving away from Typhoon to an all- Diablo solution. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 19 3:11:44 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 03:11:43 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.psknet.com (orion.psknet.com [63.171.251.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DD29537B402 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 03:11:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 33785 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 11:11:41 -0000 Received: from abyss.dashit.net (HELO ABYSS) (209.100.22.250) by orion.psknet.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 11:11:41 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: Subject: Stupid hardware question Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:11:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-AntiVirus: scanned for viruses by Pulaski Networks (http://www.psknet.com) using AMaViS (http://www.amavis.org) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, it appears that something's changed in the 4.x stuff, or it's just been too long since I've tried this (probably the early days of 2.2.x or so). I run all my boxes headless (no keyboard or monitor). Hooking up a monitor after booting isn't a problem, but when I plug the PS2 keyboard in, I get no response. Anyone know how to get the keyboard to respond without rebooting the box? Maybe it's time to buy a KVM. :/ TIA, -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 19 4:18:47 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 04:18:46 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from orion.buckhorn.net (orion.buckhorn.net [63.151.7.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A8437B400 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 04:18:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from buckhorn.net (localhost.buckhorn.net [127.0.0.1]) by orion.buckhorn.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBJCHvd56625; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:17:57 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob@buckhorn.net) Sender: bob@orion.buckhorn.net Message-ID: <3A3F51F4.ED366033@buckhorn.net> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:17:56 -0600 From: Bob Martin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troy Settle Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stupid hardware question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Troy Settle wrote: > > Ok, it appears that something's changed in the 4.x stuff, or it's just been > too long since I've tried this (probably the early days of 2.2.x or so). > > I run all my boxes headless (no keyboard or monitor). Hooking up a monitor > after booting isn't a problem, but when I plug the PS2 keyboard in, I get no > response. > > Anyone know how to get the keyboard to respond without rebooting the box? > > Maybe it's time to buy a KVM. :/ > > TIA, > > -- > Troy Settle > Pulaski Networks > 540.994.4254 > > It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short. > Try the kbdcontrol command. Bob -- As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. -- Albert Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 19 4:35:12 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 04:35:08 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.psknet.com (orion.psknet.com [63.171.251.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A234E37B400 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 04:35:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 41518 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 12:35:04 -0000 Received: from abyss.dashit.net (HELO ABYSS) (209.100.22.250) by orion.psknet.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 12:35:04 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: "Bob Martin" Cc: Subject: RE: Stupid hardware question Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:35:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3A3F51F4.ED366033@buckhorn.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-AntiVirus: scanned for viruses by Pulaski Networks (http://www.psknet.com) using AMaViS (http://www.amavis.org) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, I read your reply and got all excited, but this is what I got: $ kbdcontrol -k /dev/kbd0 kbdcontrol: cannot open /dev/kbd0: Device not configured same thing for /dev/kbd1 Here's what's in dmesg. $ dmesg | grep kb atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 Anything else worth trying here? TIA, -Troy ** -----Original Message----- ** From: bob@orion.buckhorn.net [mailto:bob@orion.buckhorn.net]On Behalf Of ** Bob Martin ** Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 7:18 AM ** To: Troy Settle ** Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** Subject: Re: Stupid hardware question ** ** ** Troy Settle wrote: ** > ** > Ok, it appears that something's changed in the 4.x stuff, or ** it's just been ** > too long since I've tried this (probably the early days of ** 2.2.x or so). ** > ** > I run all my boxes headless (no keyboard or monitor). Hooking ** up a monitor ** > after booting isn't a problem, but when I plug the PS2 ** keyboard in, I get no ** > response. ** > ** > Anyone know how to get the keyboard to respond without ** rebooting the box? ** > ** > Maybe it's time to buy a KVM. :/ ** > ** > TIA, ** > ** > -- ** > Troy Settle ** > Pulaski Networks ** > 540.994.4254 ** > ** > It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short. ** > ** Try the kbdcontrol command. ** ** Bob ** -- ** As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not ** certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. ** -- Albert Einstein ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 19 4:37:28 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 04:37:25 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from toetag.com (toetag.com [63.192.202.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4FA37B698 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 04:37:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from toetag.com (tom@unhooked.net [63.192.202.44]) by toetag.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id EAA12467; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 04:36:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200012191236.EAA12467@toetag.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 08/09/2000 with version: MH 6.8.3 #1[UCI] To: Bob Martin Cc: Troy Settle , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stupid hardware question In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:17:56 CST." <3A3F51F4.ED366033@buckhorn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 04:36:02 -0800 From: "Tom" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:17:56 CST, Bob Martin writes: >Troy Settle wrote: >> >> It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short. >> >Try the kbdcontrol command. > Or a USB keyboard if you can. -- tom@unhooked.net ICQ - 16163541 Spam: the other white meat. AIM - twjansen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 19 4:44:16 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 04:44:14 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from peitho.fxp.org (peitho.fxp.org [209.26.95.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF44337B699 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 04:44:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by peitho.fxp.org (Postfix, from userid 1501) id 175431360E; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:44:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:44:12 -0500 From: Chris Faulhaber To: Troy Settle Cc: Bob Martin , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stupid hardware question Message-ID: <20001219074412.A20951@peitho.fxp.org> References: <3A3F51F4.ED366033@buckhorn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from troy@psknet.com on Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 07:35:04AM -0500 Sender: cdf.lists@fxp.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 07:35:04AM -0500, Troy Settle wrote: > > Ok, I read your reply and got all excited, but this is what I got: > > $ kbdcontrol -k /dev/kbd0 > kbdcontrol: cannot open /dev/kbd0: Device not configured > > same thing for /dev/kbd1 > > Here's what's in dmesg. > > $ dmesg | grep kb > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 > > Anything else worth trying here? > See atkbd(4) wrt Driver Flags: bit 0 (FAIL_IF_NO_KBD) By default the atkbd driver will install even if a keyboard is not actually connected to the system. This option prevents the driver from being installed in this situation. GENERIC has this set by default: device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1 -- Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 19 4:55: 9 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 04:55:07 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.psknet.com (orion.psknet.com [63.171.251.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A705337B402 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 04:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 44445 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 12:55:03 -0000 Received: from abyss.dashit.net (HELO ABYSS) (209.100.22.250) by orion.psknet.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 12:55:03 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: "Chris Faulhaber" Cc: Subject: RE: Stupid hardware question Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:55:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20001219074412.A20951@peitho.fxp.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-AntiVirus: scanned for viruses by Pulaski Networks (http://www.psknet.com) using AMaViS (http://www.amavis.org) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ** See atkbd(4) wrt Driver Flags: ** ** bit 0 (FAIL_IF_NO_KBD) ** By default the atkbd driver will install even if a ** keyboard is not ** actually connected to the system. This option ** prevents the driver ** from being installed in this situation. ** ** GENERIC has this set by default: ** ** device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1 ** Wee... so I guess I get to reboot anyways. Oh well, I can think of worse things than 2 minutes without email :) Thanks Chris, -Troy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 19 5:19:17 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 05:19:13 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.ocsny.com (apollo.ocsny.com [204.107.76.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E89A37B402 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 05:19:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from ocsinternet.com (fw234.ocsny.com [204.107.76.234]) by apollo.ocsny.com (8.9.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02998; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:19:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A3F5F9D.6885AFAC@ocsinternet.com> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:16:13 -0500 From: mikel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troy Settle Cc: Len Conrad , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Off topic - shell skills References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org But you can and it works...is it right hmmm sounds like we've entered into a philosophical quandary now haven't we. I personally don't recommend it but the guy that was here before me did it for whatever reason. It doesn't really matter as it works, and in as much as I'd loved to change it, there are too many clients relying on the CNAME, and almost equally so that rely on the true MX. And exactly why are we argueing over this, when ISPs are being swallowed up but big fish like AOL, Verizon and the like...I've enough to worry about setting up stupid dsl circuits that I have to buy from verizon, and funnily enough that they just so happen to sell them themselves...it's maddening! Sorry fell off the box for a moment... cheers, mikel Troy Settle wrote: > I've gotten about 10 replies to my first post... all saying "no, you can't > use a CNAME for the MX" This is what led to my last post. I did not, in > any way, suggest pointing the MX to a CNAME. > > Yes, using a $INCLUDE is another way around it. I personally don't like it, > but hey, that's me. There are many answers to every problem, some right, > some wrong. There is rarely a single path to reach the goal. > > This list is for the sharing of information, and that's what I do. I'm not > afraid to admit when I'm wrong, but for so many people to blast me when I'm > /NOT/ wrong is just plain wrong. > > Anyhoo, use a $INCLUDE, point the MX to the FQDN within the ISP's zone file, > use a shell script or make file to assemble everything from bits and pieces > or maybe even a database. I don't care. There's a ton of ways to do this > stuff that work well and make sense. There is no single right answer, there > is no single superior answer, and we all know that there's plenty of wrong > answers. > > I'm sure there's a few other ingenious ways of managing large DNS servers, I > for one, would love to hear about them. > > -- > Troy Settle > Pulaski Networks > 540.994.4254 > > It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short > > ** -----Original Message----- > ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Len Conrad > ** Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 4:37 PM > ** To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > ** Subject: RE: Off topic - shell skills > ** > ** > ** > ** >Ok kids, > ** > ** Why the condescension, pops? > ** > ** >Re-read my post. I did NOT say to use a CNAME as the MX. I > ** suggested that > ** >you create a CNAME record to point mail.CUSTOMER.com to point to > ** >mail.ISP.net. > ** > ** There ya go, 99% of the people would screw that up, at one step or > ** other. I see it everyday in the ISC BIND list, etc, etc. Technically > ** correct, but in practice it gets screwed up more often than not, > ** zones are in error (non authoritative so higher traffic due to no > ** caching) and sometimes mail isn't even delivered reliably. > ** > ** With the $INCLUDE approach, there is still just one record in one > ** file to edit (just like your suggestion), but my approach avoids the > ** frequently confusing and always higher traffic-producing CNAME of > ** your approach. > ** > ** > Any more objections to my suggestion? > ** > ** There are no objections to your suggestion, there is just my superior > ** suggestion. :)) > ** > ** Len > ** > ** http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : Binary for ISC BIND 8.2.3 T9B for NT4 & W2K > ** > ** http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-spam mail gateways > ** > ** > ** > ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > ** > ** > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 19 5:27:59 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 05:27:57 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.psknet.com (orion.psknet.com [63.171.251.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 917AF37B400 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 05:27:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 49481 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 13:27:54 -0000 Received: from abyss.dashit.net (HELO ABYSS) (209.100.22.250) by orion.psknet.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 13:27:54 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: "mikel" Cc: Subject: RE: Off topic - shell skills Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:27:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3A3F5F9D.6885AFAC@ocsinternet.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-AntiVirus: scanned for viruses by Pulaski Networks (http://www.psknet.com) using AMaViS (http://www.amavis.org) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ** -----Original Message----- ** From: mikel [mailto:mikel@ocsinternet.com] ** Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 8:16 AM ** To: Troy Settle ** Cc: Len Conrad; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** Subject: Re: Off topic - shell skills ** ** ** ** Sorry fell off the box for a moment... Heh... at my last job, they told me to think "out of the box" I tripped over the box, now I own my own company :) -Troy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 19 5:47:46 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 05:47:44 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from orion.buckhorn.net (orion.buckhorn.net [63.151.7.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816D537B404 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 05:47:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from buckhorn.net (localhost.buckhorn.net [127.0.0.1]) by orion.buckhorn.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBJDl3d56787 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:47:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob@buckhorn.net) Sender: bob@orion.buckhorn.net Message-ID: <3A3F66D7.62F71A19@buckhorn.net> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:47:03 -0600 From: Bob Martin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Off topic - shell skills References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Troy Settle wrote: > > ** -----Original Message----- > ** From: mikel [mailto:mikel@ocsinternet.com] > ** Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 8:16 AM > ** To: Troy Settle > ** Cc: Len Conrad; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > ** Subject: Re: Off topic - shell skills > ** > ** > ** > ** Sorry fell off the box for a moment... > > Heh... at my last job, they told me to think "out of the box" > > I tripped over the box, now I own my own company :) > > -Troy Entrepreneur - A person willing to work 16 hours a day to keep from working for someone else for 8 hours a day. But it beats herding cats. Bob Martin -- As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. -- Albert Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 19 6:59:40 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 06:59:38 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07AF37B400 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:59:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from 153-246-44-207.ip.sirius.com ([207.44.246.153] helo=[192.168.1.42]) by mongoose.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 148OEm-0006wn-00; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:59:33 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cshishid@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:00:49 -0800 To: "Troy Settle" , From: Clark Shishido Subject: Re: Stupid hardware question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 6:11 -0500 2000.12.19, Troy Settle wrote: >Ok, it appears that something's changed in the 4.x stuff, or it's just been >too long since I've tried this (probably the early days of 2.2.x or so). > the keyboard behavior changed to support USB keyboards. even though the question here has been answered, you may want to check a more complete thread on it; look for Belkin KVM from last month's freebsd-stable. --clark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 19 7:33: 5 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 07:32:59 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.sai.co.za (ns1.amandla.co.za [196.33.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB6737B699 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:32:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from fdisk (dave.sai.co.za [196.33.40.17]) by mail.sai.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA73058 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:34:00 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from davew@sai.co.za) From: "Dave Wilson" To: Subject: RE: Off topic - shell skills---- Sorted ! Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:33:50 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <3A3F5F9D.6885AFAC@ocsinternet.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks all ! sarep works great ! Kindest regards David Wilson The S.A Internet #include -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of mikel Sent: 19 December 2000 03:16 To: Troy Settle Cc: Len Conrad; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Off topic - shell skills But you can and it works...is it right hmmm sounds like we've entered into a philosophical quandary now haven't we. I personally don't recommend it but the guy that was here before me did it for whatever reason. It doesn't really matter as it works, and in as much as I'd loved to change it, there are too many clients relying on the CNAME, and almost equally so that rely on the true MX. And exactly why are we argueing over this, when ISPs are being swallowed up but big fish like AOL, Verizon and the like...I've enough to worry about setting up stupid dsl circuits that I have to buy from verizon, and funnily enough that they just so happen to sell them themselves...it's maddening! Sorry fell off the box for a moment... cheers, mikel Troy Settle wrote: > I've gotten about 10 replies to my first post... all saying "no, you can't > use a CNAME for the MX" This is what led to my last post. I did not, in > any way, suggest pointing the MX to a CNAME. > > Yes, using a $INCLUDE is another way around it. I personally don't like it, > but hey, that's me. There are many answers to every problem, some right, > some wrong. There is rarely a single path to reach the goal. > > This list is for the sharing of information, and that's what I do. I'm not > afraid to admit when I'm wrong, but for so many people to blast me when I'm > /NOT/ wrong is just plain wrong. > > Anyhoo, use a $INCLUDE, point the MX to the FQDN within the ISP's zone file, > use a shell script or make file to assemble everything from bits and pieces > or maybe even a database. I don't care. There's a ton of ways to do this > stuff that work well and make sense. There is no single right answer, there > is no single superior answer, and we all know that there's plenty of wrong > answers. > > I'm sure there's a few other ingenious ways of managing large DNS servers, I > for one, would love to hear about them. > > -- > Troy Settle > Pulaski Networks > 540.994.4254 > > It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short > > ** -----Original Message----- > ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Len Conrad > ** Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 4:37 PM > ** To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > ** Subject: RE: Off topic - shell skills > ** > ** > ** > ** >Ok kids, > ** > ** Why the condescension, pops? > ** > ** >Re-read my post. I did NOT say to use a CNAME as the MX. I > ** suggested that > ** >you create a CNAME record to point mail.CUSTOMER.com to point to > ** >mail.ISP.net. > ** > ** There ya go, 99% of the people would screw that up, at one step or > ** other. I see it everyday in the ISC BIND list, etc, etc. Technically > ** correct, but in practice it gets screwed up more often than not, > ** zones are in error (non authoritative so higher traffic due to no > ** caching) and sometimes mail isn't even delivered reliably. > ** > ** With the $INCLUDE approach, there is still just one record in one > ** file to edit (just like your suggestion), but my approach avoids the > ** frequently confusing and always higher traffic-producing CNAME of > ** your approach. > ** > ** > Any more objections to my suggestion? > ** > ** There are no objections to your suggestion, there is just my superior > ** suggestion. :)) > ** > ** Len > ** > ** http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : Binary for ISC BIND 8.2.3 T9B for NT4 & W2K > ** > ** http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-spam mail gateways > ** > ** > ** > ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > ** > ** > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 19 9:56:29 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 09:56:27 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACCC37B400 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:56:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 148QJC-0004WQ-00; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:12:14 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:12:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: sthaug@nethelp.no Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Typhoon? (was: newsgroup server recommendation) In-Reply-To: <76254.977209050@verdi.nethelp.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > > Has Highwind Software (now bCandid) dropped support for FreeBSD? They > > make great news software (see www.highwind.com). The used to have a beta > > of Typhoon for FreeBSD available for downnload, but no longer. Various > > developers at @highwind.com also used to participate on the lists. > > Yes, they have. Supposedly because FreeBSD's thread system isn't good > enough. As a result of this, we're moving away from Typhoon to an all- > Diablo solution. > > Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no Yes, but as far as I can tell, Diablo doesn't support article compression. In fact, as far as I know, only the Typhoon family supports spool compression. I want to use article compression to extend my spool space a bit. Of course I'm hoping that a dual 1ghz machine with a GB of RAM can actually compress and uncompress that much data each day. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 19 10:25:57 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 10:25:54 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from luke.cpl.net (unknown [63.169.72.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9323537B400 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:25:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA94007; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:25:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:25:45 -0800 From: Shawn Ramsey To: Tom Samplonius Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Typhoon? (was: newsgroup server recommendation) Message-ID: <20001219102545.C88451@cpl.net> References: <76254.977209050@verdi.nethelp.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from tom@sdf.com on Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 09:12:08AM -0800 Sender: shawn@luke.cpl.net Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 09:12:08AM -0800, Tom Samplonius wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > > > > Has Highwind Software (now bCandid) dropped support for FreeBSD? They > > > make great news software (see www.highwind.com). The used to have a beta > > > of Typhoon for FreeBSD available for downnload, but no longer. Various > > > developers at @highwind.com also used to participate on the lists. > > > > Yes, they have. Supposedly because FreeBSD's thread system isn't good > > enough. As a result of this, we're moving away from Typhoon to an all- > > Diablo solution. > > > > Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no > > Yes, but as far as I can tell, Diablo doesn't support article > compression. In fact, as far as I know, only the Typhoon family supports > spool compression. I want to use article compression to extend my spool > space a bit. Of course I'm hoping that a dual 1ghz machine with a GB of > RAM can actually compress and uncompress that much data each day. I hope your not planning on using the Linux version. After weeks of frustration, we finally switched to Solaris x86. The Linux version is a joke. Maybe someone with more knowledge of Linux could get it running, but bCandid support could not even tell us how to fix it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 19 10:28:34 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 10:28:29 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mailman.thenap.com (mailman.thenap.com [209.190.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49B837B400 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:28:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailman.thenap.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:39:08 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Drew J. Weaver" To: 'Shawn Ramsey' , Tom Samplonius Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Typhoon? (was: newsgroup server recommendation) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:39:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C069EA.F8CBE670" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C069EA.F8CBE670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" We had the same problem with the Linux version of Typhoon, long live solaris and its little annoying changes (note: ps -ef). -Drew -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Ramsey [mailto:shawn@cpl.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 1:26 PM To: Tom Samplonius Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Typhoon? (was: newsgroup server recommendation) On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 09:12:08AM -0800, Tom Samplonius wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > > > > Has Highwind Software (now bCandid) dropped support for FreeBSD? They > > > make great news software (see www.highwind.com). The used to have a beta > > > of Typhoon for FreeBSD available for downnload, but no longer. Various > > > developers at @highwind.com also used to participate on the lists. > > > > Yes, they have. Supposedly because FreeBSD's thread system isn't good > > enough. As a result of this, we're moving away from Typhoon to an all- > > Diablo solution. > > > > Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no > > Yes, but as far as I can tell, Diablo doesn't support article > compression. In fact, as far as I know, only the Typhoon family supports > spool compression. I want to use article compression to extend my spool > space a bit. Of course I'm hoping that a dual 1ghz machine with a GB of > RAM can actually compress and uncompress that much data each day. I hope your not planning on using the Linux version. After weeks of frustration, we finally switched to Solaris x86. The Linux version is a joke. Maybe someone with more knowledge of Linux could get it running, but bCandid support could not even tell us how to fix it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ------_=_NextPart_001_01C069EA.F8CBE670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Typhoon? (was: newsgroup server recommendation)

        We had the = same problem with the Linux version of Typhoon, long live solaris and = its little annoying changes (note: ps -ef).

-Drew


-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Ramsey [mailto:shawn@cpl.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 1:26 PM
To: Tom Samplonius
Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no; = freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: Typhoon? (was: newsgroup server = recommendation)


On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 09:12:08AM -0800, Tom = Samplonius wrote:
>
> On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 sthaug@nethelp.no = wrote:
>
> > >   Has Highwind Software = (now bCandid) dropped support for FreeBSD?  They
> > > make great news software (see = www.highwind.com).  The used to have a beta
> > > of Typhoon for FreeBSD available for = downnload, but no longer.  Various
> > > developers at @highwind.com also used = to participate on the lists.
> >
> > Yes, they have. Supposedly because = FreeBSD's thread system isn't good
> > enough. As a result of this, we're moving = away from Typhoon to an all-
> > Diablo solution.
> >
> > Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, = sthaug@nethelp.no
>
>   Yes, but as far as I can tell, = Diablo doesn't support article
> compression.  In fact, as far as I know, = only the Typhoon family supports
> spool compression.  I want to use article = compression to extend my spool
> space a bit.  Of course I'm hoping that a = dual 1ghz machine with a GB of
> RAM can actually compress and uncompress that = much data each day.

I hope your not planning on using the Linux version. = After weeks of
frustration, we finally switched to Solaris x86. The = Linux version is a
joke. Maybe someone with more knowledge of Linux = could get it running, but
bCandid support could not even tell us how to fix = it.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C069EA.F8CBE670-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 19 11:19:43 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 11:19:41 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [209.210.251.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F6437B402 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:19:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from outel.org (gatekeeper.calweb.com [209.210.251.61]) by mail.calweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA99484; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:18:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A3FB528.3EB42BDC@outel.org> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:21:12 -0800 From: "Joel M. Baldwin" Organization: Calweb Internet Services Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Samplonius Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Typhoon? (was: newsgroup server recommendation) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Disk drive space is cheaper than CPU power. The stuff that takes up most of the space on your spool won't compress much anyway. Tom Samplonius wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > > > > Has Highwind Software (now bCandid) dropped support for FreeBSD? They > > > make great news software (see www.highwind.com). The used to have a beta > > > of Typhoon for FreeBSD available for downnload, but no longer. Various > > > developers at @highwind.com also used to participate on the lists. > > > > Yes, they have. Supposedly because FreeBSD's thread system isn't good > > enough. As a result of this, we're moving away from Typhoon to an all- > > Diablo solution. > > > > Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no > > Yes, but as far as I can tell, Diablo doesn't support article > compression. In fact, as far as I know, only the Typhoon family supports > spool compression. I want to use article compression to extend my spool > space a bit. Of course I'm hoping that a dual 1ghz machine with a GB of > RAM can actually compress and uncompress that much data each day. > > Tom > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 19 23: 5:55 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 23:05:52 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6452037B400 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:05:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 148cd3-0005bu-00; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:21:33 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:21:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: "Joel M. Baldwin" Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Typhoon? (was: newsgroup server recommendation) In-Reply-To: <3A3FB528.3EB42BDC@outel.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Joel M. Baldwin wrote: > Disk drive space is cheaper than CPU power. The stuff that takes up > most > of the space on your spool won't compress much anyway. I don't know what planet you are living on, but good quality, high-speed reliable and large disk storage systems are expensive. CPU power is cheap, and much easier to upgrade too. Since binaries are usually uuencoded, they will compress about 20%. That gives you about 80GB more space on a 400GB spool. Plus compression reduces the overall IO throughput by an equivelant amount. The bigger the spool, the more compression works in your favour. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 19 23:10: 4 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 23:10:01 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8BBD37B400 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:09:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 148chC-0005cL-00; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:25:50 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:25:49 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Shawn Ramsey Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Typhoon? (was: newsgroup server recommendation) In-Reply-To: <20001219102545.C88451@cpl.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Shawn Ramsey wrote: > I hope your not planning on using the Linux version. After weeks of > frustration, we finally switched to Solaris x86. The Linux version is a > joke. Maybe someone with more knowledge of Linux could get it running, but > bCandid support could not even tell us how to fix it. Of course not! Now that Solaris 8 is available for x86 for media costs only (about $75), there really is no real reason to consider Linux for running Typhoon. Solaris has a much better thread implementation as well, which should really benefit Typhoon. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 19 23:38: 1 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 23:37:59 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from arthur.tacni.net (mail.tacni.net [216.178.136.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D2A737B400 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:37:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21137 invoked by alias); 20 Dec 2000 07:37:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tacni.com) (207.55.167.32) by arthur.tacni.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 07:37:47 -0000 Message-ID: <3A4061F6.4047489@tacni.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 01:38:30 -0600 From: Tom ONeil Reply-To: tom.oneil@instantisp.net Organization: InstantISP.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Subject: Qmail and radius on the same server? Opinions.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We are thinking about running qmail and radius on the same server to simplify our lives. Any theories or real-world experience on why this might be a Bad Idea(tm)? Horsepower requirements, security (!), number of users, etc.. We currently run xtradius and qmail/vpopmail/sqwebmail separately. Planning on 5K users max per box. Prefer to use 5-800 Mhz single cpu, 256 Mb, F/W/D SCSI under FreeBSD 4.1. Will it hold up? Thanks, Tom -- Thomas J. ONeil tom.oneil@instantisp.net http://www.instantisp.net/ "National power, local presence" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 20 2:13:31 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 02:13:29 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail-internal.nextra.de (mail.nextra.de [212.169.184.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDFA37B400 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:13:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from omnilinkw63 (f-euro.fw.nextra.de [212.169.184.9]) by mail-internal.nextra.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA10807; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:12:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <008e01c06a6d$8006e950$6560310a@intern.nextra.de> From: "Oliver Blasnik" To: "Tom Samplonius" , "Shawn Ramsey" Cc: , References: Subject: Re: Typhoon? (was: newsgroup server recommendation) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:13:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there, Tom Samplonius wrote: > Of course not! Now that Solaris 8 is available for x86 for media costs > only (about $75), there really is no real reason to consider Linux for > running Typhoon. Solaris has a much better thread implementation as well, > which should really benefit Typhoon. Ok, now absolutely off-topic *eg*: You're correct, the Media is about 75$. But you do only get the licence for private use - check that out. And Sol/x86 is really, really expensive, com- pared to Sol/Sparc (ok, _then_ it's the hardware...). Or have I missed something? Btw, we are also planning to use Typhoon on Solaris, but on Sparc Architecture. A nice Raid-Array (0+1) attached for Storage - and then using compression, it's cheaper. 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(was: newsgropu server recommendation) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:13:28 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After reading this I get the impression that commercial and non-commercial use is covered for the cost of media and shipping. Where they are going to get you is with the service contracts. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 20 9:10:30 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 09:10:27 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (dhcp-1-89.n01.orldfl01.us.ra.verio.net [157.238.210.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18C937B402 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:10:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32202 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:10:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bill) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:10:26 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Typhoon? (was: newsgroup server recommendation) Message-ID: <20001220121025.A31035@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@bilver.wjv.com References: <008e01c06a6d$8006e950$6560310a@intern.nextra.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <008e01c06a6d$8006e950$6560310a@intern.nextra.de>; from oliver.blasnik@nextra.de on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 11:13:29AM +0100 Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 11:13:29AM +0100, Oliver Blasnik thus spoke: > Hi there, > Tom Samplonius wrote: > > Of course not! Now that Solaris 8 is available for x86 for > > media costs only (about $75), there really is no real reason to > > consider Linux for running Typhoon. Solaris has a much better > > thread implementation as well, which should really benefit > > Typhoon. > Ok, now absolutely off-topic *eg*: > > You're correct, the Media is about 75$. But you do only get the > licence for private use - check that out. And Sol/x86 is really, > really expensive, com- pared to Sol/Sparc (ok, _then_ it's the > hardware...). Or have I missed something? From what I've read, you've missed something. It says you can use Solaris 8 'at home or at work' on an up to an 8 CPU system. I had also read before that their free binary license was to be free for all uses including commercial through an 8CPU installation. They don't have their free source in place yet but that is supposed to be coming. > Btw, we are also planning to use Typhoon on Solaris, but on Sparc > Architecture. A nice Raid-Array (0+1) attached for Storage - and > then using compression, it's cheaper. My Lab-Setup showed me about > 30% compression all over a big8+binaries feed. That sounds nice. -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 20 9:18: 8 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 09:18:06 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB8837B400 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:18:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 148mBT-0006Qo-00; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:33:43 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:33:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Oliver Blasnik Cc: Shawn Ramsey , sthaug@nethelp.no, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Typhoon? (was: newsgroup server recommendation) In-Reply-To: <008e01c06a6d$8006e950$6560310a@intern.nextra.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Oliver Blasnik wrote: > Hi there, > > Tom Samplonius wrote: > > > Of course not! Now that Solaris 8 is available for x86 for media costs > > only (about $75), there really is no real reason to consider Linux for > > running Typhoon. Solaris has a much better thread implementation as well, > > which should really benefit Typhoon. > > Ok, now absolutely off-topic *eg*: > > You're correct, the Media is about 75$. But you do only get the licence for > private use - check that out. And Sol/x86 is really, really expensive, com- > pared to Sol/Sparc (ok, _then_ it's the hardware...). > Or have I missed something? You must. I have a copy of the license, and it allows me to use Solaris x86 for any purpose. It is basically a site license for X machines in my organization. > Btw, we are also planning to use Typhoon on Solaris, but on Sparc > Architecture. A nice Raid-Array (0+1) attached for Storage - and then using > compression, it's cheaper. My Lab-Setup showed me about 30% compression > all over a big8+binaries feed. > > > Tom > > Cu, Oliver > -- > -- http://www.nextra.de - INTERNET@WORK ----- oliver.blasnik@nextra.de -- > Nextra Deutschland | Oliver Blasnik Senior System Administrator > GmbH & Co KG | Lyoner Strasse 26 D-60528 Frankfurt > Engineering TA&S | tel +49-69-66441-0 fax +49-69-66441-199 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 20 10:14:35 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 10:14:30 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from luke.cpl.net (unknown [63.169.72.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F316637B400 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:14:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA50710; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:14:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:14:15 -0800 From: Shawn Ramsey To: Tom Samplonius Cc: Oliver Blasnik , sthaug@nethelp.no, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Typhoon? (was: newsgroup server recommendation) Message-ID: <20001220101415.A48459@cpl.net> References: <008e01c06a6d$8006e950$6560310a@intern.nextra.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from tom@sdf.com on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 08:33:40AM -0800 Sender: shawn@luke.cpl.net Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Hi there, > > > > Tom Samplonius wrote: > > > > > Of course not! Now that Solaris 8 is available for x86 for media costs > > > only (about $75), there really is no real reason to consider Linux for > > > running Typhoon. Solaris has a much better thread implementation as well, > > > which should really benefit Typhoon. > > > > Ok, now absolutely off-topic *eg*: > > > > You're correct, the Media is about 75$. But you do only get the licence for > > private use - check that out. And Sol/x86 is really, really expensive, com- > > pared to Sol/Sparc (ok, _then_ it's the hardware...). > > Or have I missed something? > > You must. I have a copy of the license, and it allows me to use Solaris > x86 for any purpose. It is basically a site license for X machines in my > organization. You can use Solaris x86 (and Sparc) on as many computers and for any purpose. The only limitation is the computer must have 8 or fewer CPU's. I do believe that it used to be for personal use only, but it was changed a while ago. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 20 10:30: 7 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 10:30:01 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sun2.siteone.net (ns2.site-one.com [209.246.218.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1DC337B400 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from David (wan104.siteone.net [209.246.218.40]) by sun2.siteone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA13687 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:30:01 -0500 From: "David Lawson" To: "FreeBSD ISP" Subject: FTP access without shell Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:30:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C06A88.F8107AE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C06A88.F8107AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm trying to give a user ftp access but not shell access when I set their shell to /sbin/nologin ftp says access denied but if it is set to a working shell ftp is fine. 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------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C06A88.F8107AE0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 20 10:40:23 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 10:40:21 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDE137B404 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:40:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from alan@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBKIeOO67207; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:40:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:40:24 -0800 From: Alan Batie To: David Lawson Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: FTP access without shell Message-ID: <20001220104023.A67135@agora.rdrop.com> Mail-Followup-To: David Lawson , FreeBSD ISP References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from dave@siteone.net on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 01:30:07PM -0500 Sender: alan@agora.rdrop.com Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 01:30:07PM -0500, David Lawson wrote: > I'm trying to give a user ftp access but not shell access when I set their > shell to /sbin/nologin ftp says access denied but if it is set to a working > shell ftp is fine. Set their shell to something else non-existent like "/bin/ftponly" and add that to /etc/shells. -- Alan Batie ______ www.rdrop.com/users/alan Me alan@batie.org \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ www.anti-spam.net NO SPAM! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 20 10:42:53 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 10:42:51 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0721F37B402 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:42:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from alan@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBKIh4s67383; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:43:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:43:04 -0800 From: Alan Batie To: David Lawson Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: FTP access without shell Message-ID: <20001220104304.A67323@agora.rdrop.com> Mail-Followup-To: David Lawson , FreeBSD ISP References: <20001220104023.A67135@agora.rdrop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001220104023.A67135@agora.rdrop.com>; from alan@batie.org on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 10:40:24AM -0800 Sender: alan@agora.rdrop.com Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 10:40:24AM -0800, Alan Batie wrote: > Set their shell to something else non-existent like "/bin/ftponly" and > add that to /etc/shells. That was stupid, I think login gives you /bin/sh if your shell doesn't exist; copy /sbin/nologin to /sbin/ftponly and use that... -- Alan Batie ______ www.rdrop.com/users/alan Me alan@batie.org \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ www.anti-spam.net NO SPAM! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 20 11:12:34 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 11:12:31 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (dhcp-1-191.n01.orldfl01.us.ra.verio.net [157.238.210.191]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301A937B400 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:12:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA34211 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:12:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bill) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:12:28 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FTP access without shell Message-ID: <20001220141227.B34077@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@bilver.wjv.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from dave@siteone.net on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 01:30:07PM -0500 Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 01:30:07PM -0500, David Lawson thus spoke: > I'm trying to give a user ftp access but not shell access when I > set their shell to /sbin/nologin ftp says access denied but if it > is set to a working shell ftp is fine. I use /bin/false - a habit from a long time ago, and just added that to the /etc/shells. I then also put their entry into /etc/ftpchroot and all seems to work just fine. -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 20 11:14:54 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 11:14:51 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sun2.siteone.net (ns2.site-one.com [209.246.218.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E25B37B400 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:14:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from David (wan104.siteone.net [209.246.218.40]) by sun2.siteone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA16558; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:14:38 -0500 From: "David Lawson" To: "Greg Skouby" Cc: "FreeBSD ISP" Subject: RE: FTP access without shell Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:14:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <20001220134118.A76203@sitesnow.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Adding a entry into /etc/shells did it. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Greg Skouby [mailto:gskouby@ns0.sitesnow.com]On Behalf Of Greg Skouby Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 1:41 PM To: David Lawson Subject: Re: FTP access without shell Hello David, Just a quick thing, does /sbin/nologin have an entry in /etc/shells? Greg On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 01:30:07PM -0500, David Lawson wrote: > I'm trying to give a user ftp access but not shell access when I set their > shell to /sbin/nologin ftp says access denied but if it is set to a working > shell ftp is fine. > > > David L. Lawson > Technical Support Manager > Partner Alliance Director > Site One Networks, Inc. > 302-337-8800 Phone > 800-354-5434 Toll Free > 302-337-3915 Fax > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 20 11:29:46 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 11:29:40 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from marius.org (marius.org [216.88.115.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2186137B402 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from marius@localhost) by marius.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eBKJTMY48154; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:29:22 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:29:21 -0600 From: Marius Strom To: bv@wjv.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FTP access without shell Message-ID: <20001220132921.T31301@marius.org> Mail-Followup-To: bv@wjv.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20001220141227.B34077@wjv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001220141227.B34077@wjv.com>; from bill@wjv.com on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 02:12:28PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Another typical practice is to use both /bin/true and /bin/false. You put /bin/true in your shells, and give /bin/true to all users who want ftp access, and /bin/false those you don't. This way, you can create non-interactive and non-ftp accounts for things such as email only accounts. On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 02:12:28PM -0500, Bill Vermillion wrote: > On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 01:30:07PM -0500, David Lawson thus spoke: > > > I'm trying to give a user ftp access but not shell access when I > > set their shell to /sbin/nologin ftp says access denied but if it > > is set to a working shell ftp is fine. > > I use /bin/false - a habit from a long time ago, and just > added that to the /etc/shells. I then also put their entry > into /etc/ftpchroot and all seems to work just fine. > > > -- > Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Marius Strom Professional Geek/Unix System Administrator URL: http://www.marius.org http://www.marius.org/marius.pgp 0x55DE53E4 "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a mini-van full of DLT tapes traveling down the highway at 65 miles per hour..." -Andrew Tanenbaum, "Computer Networks" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 20 13:14:24 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 13:14:21 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pluto.psn.net (pluto.psn.net [207.211.58.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECFB037B400; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from cust-107-11.as03.nycm.eli.net ([209.210.107.11] helo=coresync) by pluto.psn.net with smtp (PSN Internet Service 3.20 #1) id 148qZ0-0007H6-00; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:14:19 -0700 From: "Jonathan M. Slivko" To: Cc: Subject: SecureBSD? Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:16:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Whats this SecureBSD I keep hearing about? what are the primary differences between it and the mainstream FreeBSD? - Jonathan Slivko - Simple Hosting Solutions Head of Technical Support http://www.simphost.com jslivko@psn.net - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 20 18:22:44 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 18:22:40 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from citusc.usc.edu (citusc.usc.edu [128.125.38.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962BA37B400; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:22:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc.usc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22888; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:23:54 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:23:54 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: "Jonathan M. Slivko" Cc: freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SecureBSD? Message-ID: <20001220182354.G22288@citusc.usc.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="p7qwJlK53pWzbayA" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from jslivko@psn.net on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 04:16:28PM -0500 Sender: kris@citusc.usc.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --p7qwJlK53pWzbayA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 04:16:28PM -0500, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: > Whats this SecureBSD I keep hearing about? what are the primary differences > between it and the mainstream FreeBSD? It's a set of patches against FreeBSD which adds some features which can be used to configure a more tightly controlled system. It's under a fairly scary license though, and last time I checked the documentation didn't list many "whiz-bang" features I would personally find useful on an average system. That's just my personal opinion though, not any official position of the security officer or of FreeBSD, and may not in fact reflect reality if the documentation is inaccurate (someone told me there's more there which is, or was, undocumented). YMMV, of course..it's worth taking a look at to see whether it would be useful for you. Kris --p7qwJlK53pWzbayA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6QWm6Wry0BWjoQKURAmlfAJ9fqGQsp+sZYbJKFqzXytYU5RIeNgCgwWlH kn+NDRa+wlui5y7bSkXeggA= =1+7k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --p7qwJlK53pWzbayA-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 20 18:35: 8 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 18:35:04 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from citusc.usc.edu (citusc.usc.edu [128.125.38.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9861C37B400; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:35:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc.usc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22973; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:36:22 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:36:22 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Kris Kennaway Cc: "Jonathan M. Slivko" , freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SecureBSD? Message-ID: <20001220183622.I22288@citusc.usc.edu> References: <20001220182354.G22288@citusc.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WR+jf/RUebEcofwt" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20001220182354.G22288@citusc.usc.edu>; from kris@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 06:23:54PM -0800 Sender: kris@citusc.usc.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --WR+jf/RUebEcofwt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 06:23:54PM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 04:16:28PM -0500, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: > > Whats this SecureBSD I keep hearing about? what are the primary differe= nces > > between it and the mainstream FreeBSD? >=20 I forgot to mention TrustedBSD (www.trustedbsd.org), which IMO is a lot more promising in terms of the feature set, and is being integrated into FreeBSD. Kris --WR+jf/RUebEcofwt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6QWymWry0BWjoQKURAqMPAKCOPWk8ON2NSL4i1osoMCHowMSGIwCfea25 mCA528HwI3PdWfg4IQtArY0= =6KeU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WR+jf/RUebEcofwt-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 20 19:15:42 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 19:15:39 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hellfire.hexdump.org (h006097e24f05.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.117.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54EAD37B400; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:15:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (freebsd@localhost) by hellfire.hexdump.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBL3IDg26691; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:18:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from freebsd@hexdump.org) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:18:12 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Gentry To: Kris Kennaway Cc: "Jonathan M. Slivko" , freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SecureBSD? In-Reply-To: <20001220182354.G22288@citusc.usc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > That's just my personal opinion though, not any official position of > the security officer or of FreeBSD, and may not in fact reflect > reality if the documentation is inaccurate (someone told me there's > more there which is, or was, undocumented). YMMV, of course..it's > worth taking a look at to see whether it would be useful for you. I looked at it recently, and while it isn't super-duper, I do remember some of the stuff seeming useful for my purposes. The real problem tho is that SecureBSD 1.0 only supports FreeBSD 4.0. I sent them an email and they said that they were going to be soon supporting the 4.2 branch, but haven't seen anything from them yet. -- Jeff Gentry jester@hexdump.org gentrj@hexdump.org SEX DRUGS UNIX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 20 23:39:22 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 23:39:17 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n37.san.rr.com (dt051n37.san.rr.com [204.210.32.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B35937B400 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:39:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from gorean.org (Studded@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n37.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA71573; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:38:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Sender: doug@dt051n37.san.rr.com Message-ID: <3A41B390.2250BB12@gorean.org> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:38:56 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Blagoveschensky Cc: Dave Wilson , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Off topic - shell skills References: <3A3DDE15.D8E377A9@belpak.by> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For future reference, this doesn't belong on -isp. It's really -questions material. Alex Blagoveschensky wrote: > Try this. But what will you do with Serial in SOA ? ;-) Easy, see below. > #!/bin/sh > for i in * > do > echo $i > cat $i | sed 's/10\.1\.1\.58/10\.0\.0\.1/' >$$ This is the prototypical "useless use of cat." You can call sed with the file as an argument. Also, naming a temp file by the pid can lead to confusion later if your process gets interrupted. > mv $$ $i Dangerous... what happens if your sed doesn't complete successfully? > done There are probably some flaws with the script below, but I use it all the time. In fact, I don't even bother to put it in a file anymore, I can type it out faster. :) Let's assume that you have your serial numbers on a line in the zone file that looks like this: 2000120101 ; Serial #!/bin/sh for file in *; do echo $file sed -e 's/[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9].*Serial/2000122101 ; Serial/' \ -e 's/10\.1\.1\.58/10\.0\.0\.1/' > $file.sed && mv $file.sed $file done Obviously the pattern matching for the serial number itself could be simpler if you are confident you don't have any unusual instances... Doug -- "The most difficult thing in the world is to know how to do a thing and to watch someone else do it wrong without comment." -- Theodore H. White Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 21 7:41:49 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 07:41:46 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sun2.siteone.net (ns2.site-one.com [209.246.218.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6AC37B402 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:41:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from David (wan104.siteone.net [209.246.218.40]) by sun2.siteone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA18785 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:41:55 -0500 From: "David Lawson" To: "FreeBSD ISP" Subject: Multiple FTP Access Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:41:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C06B3A.9F136EE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C06B3A.9F136EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there anyway to allow Multiple Users ftp into and change all the files in one directory and any subdirectories? We have a customer that wants to have three different usernames for ftp access to one site. Thanks Dave ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C06B3A.9F136EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C06B3A.9F136EE0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 21 8: 8:54 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 08:08:52 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from marius.org (marius.org [216.88.115.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0468C37B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from marius@localhost) by marius.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eBLG7TD54765; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:07:29 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:07:29 -0600 From: Marius Strom To: David Lawson Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: Multiple FTP Access Message-ID: <20001221100728.X31301@marius.org> Mail-Followup-To: David Lawson , FreeBSD ISP References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from dave@siteone.net on Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 10:41:48AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Put them all in one group, make all the files and directories in the hierarchy g+w. Or assign them the same UID/GID bits manually. On Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 10:41:48AM -0500, David Lawson wrote: > Is there anyway to allow Multiple Users ftp into and change all the files in > one directory and any subdirectories? We have a customer that wants to have > three different usernames for ftp access to one site. > > > Thanks > > Dave -- Marius Strom Professional Geek/Unix System Administrator URL: http://www.marius.org http://www.marius.org/marius.pgp 0x55DE53E4 "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a mini-van full of DLT tapes traveling down the highway at 65 miles per hour..." -Andrew Tanenbaum, "Computer Networks" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 22 11:19:38 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 22 11:19:37 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.ocsny.com (apollo.ocsny.com [204.107.76.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBB337B400 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:19:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ocsinternet.com (fw234.ocsny.com [204.107.76.234]) by apollo.ocsny.com (8.9.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23387 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:19:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A43A8BA.BAD321FE@ocsinternet.com> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:17:14 -0500 From: mikel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Happy Yule... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all! I've been cruising the BSD lists for approx two years now. I work for a medium sized ISP, and our systems have a lot of shall we say unskilled users; shell access is not allowed. So this being the holiday season and all we tend to get a large number of requests for us to set up some sort of vacation responder messages. these in and of themselves are not the problem as fBSD has a nifty command call vacation, but it just didn't do enough for me. The problem is the accompanying off the wall shedule requests like I want my email responder to start at 04:30 on Friday the 23rd and stop at 10am on Jan 3rd et cettera...On top of that as I said most of our users are /sbin/nologin thus do not have a need for a /home directory. Ok so that leads me to this I've created this utility; it;s written in sh so it should work out of the box. http://www.ocsny.com/main/admin.ocs?url=holiday I have bullied my company into allowing me to publish it as a Yule gift for the BSD community. So please if you use it let me know. Thanks in advance, for taking the time to try it. Happy Yule, Mikel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Dec 23 12:37:18 2000 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 23 12:37:16 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from arthur.tacni.net (mail.tacni.net [216.178.136.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 660F137B402 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 12:37:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17671 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2000 20:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tacni.com) (207.55.167.32) by arthur.tacni.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2000 20:37:05 -0000 Message-ID: <3A450CF5.2CCF92F@tacni.com> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 14:37:09 -0600 From: Tom ONeil Reply-To: tom.oneil@instantisp.net Organization: InstantISP.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Free Subject: Radius testing help needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings of the Season to All; We are going to start using our own radius servers shortly, v. our pop providers. While all appears to be well - radtest works to localhost, sql has no complaints, users can be added and deleted, passwds changed, etc., I wonder if there is any way to run a more extensive test before we start working with the new provider. Don't wish to look like and idiot and all that. Like to verify as much as possible before we tie up some other guys time, maybe run some stress tests. Thoughts, suggestions, ideas all appreciated. Tom -- Thomas J. ONeil tom.oneil@instantisp.net http://www.instantisp.net/ "National power, local presence" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message