From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Nov 26 4:43:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5641637B479 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 04:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ragnet.demon.co.uk ([62.253.135.85]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20001126124310.PYKX13163.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@ragnet.demon.co.uk>; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 12:43:10 +0000 Received: from dmlb by ragnet.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 14016q-000BU3-00; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 12:40:44 +0000 Content-Length: 3316 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200011260642.eAQ6gu602080@zorba.sf-bay.org> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 12:40:44 -0000 (GMT) From: Duncan Barclay To: Scott Hazen Mueller Subject: Re: Aviator 2.4 Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 26-Nov-00 Scott Hazen Mueller wrote: >>Certainly, this is how I tested on 3.x, 4.1 and -current! > > I suspected as much. > >>I note that your raycontrol dump shows that the hopset is 0x03 and not 0x1d. >>Did you change it? I'm not sure that the hopset code selection actually works >>well on rev4 cards (conflicting information in docs etc.) > > Is the hopset 'HOP_SEQ'? It seems to change itself in between power-up and > configure, see below. I did observe some odd behavior when issuing the > command 'raycontrol -i ray0 -f 1' repeatedly - the HOP_SEQ value seemed to go > through random bytes ranging from 0x02 to 0x4-something. Yup, the hopset is HOP_SEQ and the country code stuff. I haven't really tested the country code selection. I never change it from the defaults. >>Hmm, this means that the cards aren't seeing each other at all. The seperated >>BSSIDs and INITED flag, mean that the cards have set up seperate networks. > > OK, that confirms what I was thinking. > >>Things to try - >> plug one card in and wait a couple of minutes before plugging in the next > > Tried that, to no avail. > >> check the hopsets > > I've issued the -f 1 command against both cards. As I've noted, HOP_SEQ is > all over the map, don't know if that's good or bad. > >>I don't think that the W98 will change anything on the cards in a permanant >>fashion. > > I may try it as a last resort... > >>Try moving them away from the monitor - the scan coils may be interfering >>with the radio. > > Tried that as well as I can, given the available space in my office. The > 'base' station is about 4 feet above the nearest monitor. I did my last set > of tests with the remote about 5 feet away from the nearest monitor. Of > course, if the radios are sensitive to noise within these ranges, I can > hardly > use them anyway... :-( > > Other info... > > www.webgear.com is now offering a flash upgrade from plain 2.4 (& rev 4) to > 2.4 Pro (& rev 5) firmware. Visit the site and find the Win2K upgrade - it > includes most of a flash floppy in the kit, just add one bootable DOS floppy > and run. I've applied this upgrade to my cards, no additional luck. But, as > I understand it, rev 5 is worth having anyway. The rev 5 is an upgrade to true 802.11 compliant carsd. I haven't tried it partly becuase it changes some of the software in the driver and I haven't finsihed coding it up! But you haven't yet got to that stage yet - it only affects things when the cards are seeing each other. > I ran a still more careful test tonight. I started with both systems (zork > and zorba) powered down, with the ray cards inserted. I powered zork (the > base station) up first. The raycontrol output, before issuing any networking > commands, was [snipped] These diffs look about "right", but I can't check it all parameters as I don't have rev 5 cards. Have you tried the cards under Windows to make sure that they work? > Suggestions more than welcome. > > \scott Duncan --- ________________________________________________________________________ Duncan Barclay | God smiles upon the little children, dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk | the alcoholics, and the permanently stoned. ________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Nov 26 4:50:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0238F37B4CF for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 04:50:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from lungfish.ntlworld.com ([62.255.97.33]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20001126125017.IHPS283.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@lungfish.ntlworld.com>; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 12:50:17 +0000 Received: (from scott@localhost) by lungfish.ntlworld.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01117; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 12:50:10 GMT (envelope-from scott) Message-ID: <20001126125010.05670@localhost> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 12:50:10 +0000 From: Scott Mitchell To: Scott Augustus , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recommended ethernet pccard for 4.2 References: <4.3.2.20001124115800.01c90740@pophost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.20001124115800.01c90740@pophost>; from Scott Augustus on Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 11:58:13AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 11:58:13AM -0500, Scott Augustus wrote: > Greetings all, > Trying desperately to bring up a Xircom CreditCard IIPS up in fbsd 4.2 to > no avail. I've got the card being recognized, even see the proper settings > in ifconfig via use of rc.conf entries but just can't seem to get it to > become active. See below for outputs, let me know if you see something obvious. Yeah, the CE2 has only been know to work very occasionally. I'm hoping to get my hands on one soon so I can figure out why and fix it. The later Xircom 10/100 cards are a different story, though -- they all work perfectly (I have to say that; I wrote the driver :-) Seriously though, a CE3 or RealPort card should be fine. You can probably pick up a used CE3 for very little cash these days too. Cheers, Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID | "Eagles may soar, but weasels Cambridge, England | 0x54B171B9 | don't get sucked into jet engines" scott.mitchell@mail.com | 0xAA775B8B | -- Anon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Nov 26 16:43:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from lynx.aba.net.au (lynx.esec.com.au [203.21.84.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E34C637B479 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 16:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14541 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2000 00:43:26 -0000 Received: from swun.esec.com.au (HELO eSec.com.au) (203.21.85.207) by lynx.esec.com.au with SMTP; 27 Nov 2000 00:43:26 -0000 Message-ID: <3A21AE69.46C6EFE4@eSec.com.au> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:44:25 +1100 From: Sam Wun Organization: eSec X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Where to buy isa-pcmcia adapter card in Australia References: <4.3.2.20001124115800.01c90740@pophost> <20001126125010.05670@localhost> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F334F21B671D88AB93EB192B" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------F334F21B671D88AB93EB192B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I"m currently live in Australia, does anyone know where can I puchase wavelan pcmcia + isa-pcmcia adapter card in Australia? Thanks Sam. Scott Mitchell wrote: > On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 11:58:13AM -0500, Scott Augustus wrote: > > Greetings all, > > Trying desperately to bring up a Xircom CreditCard IIPS up in fbsd 4.2 to > > no avail. I've got the card being recognized, even see the proper settings > > in ifconfig via use of rc.conf entries but just can't seem to get it to > > become active. See below for outputs, let me know if you see something obvious. > > Yeah, the CE2 has only been know to work very occasionally. I'm hoping to > get my hands on one soon so I can figure out why and fix it. > > The later Xircom 10/100 cards are a different story, though -- they all > work perfectly (I have to say that; I wrote the driver :-) Seriously > though, a CE3 or RealPort card should be fine. You can probably pick up a > used CE3 for very little cash these days too. > > Cheers, > > Scott > > -- > =========================================================================== > Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID | "Eagles may soar, but weasels > Cambridge, England | 0x54B171B9 | don't get sucked into jet engines" > scott.mitchell@mail.com | 0xAA775B8B | -- Anon > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message -- Sam Wun Firewalls / Security Software Engineer(Snr) Electronic Commerce eSec Limited Phone: +61 3 83715376 mailto:swun@eSec.com.a C++/JAVA/WIN32/UNIX/OOPD --------------F334F21B671D88AB93EB192B Content-Type: text/html; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,

I"m currently live in Australia, does anyone know where can I puchase wavelan pcmcia + isa-pcmcia adapter card in Australia?

Thanks
Sam.

Scott Mitchell wrote:
 

On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 11:58:13AM -0500, Scott Augustus wrote:
> Greetings all,
> Trying desperately to bring up a Xircom CreditCard IIPS up in fbsd 4.2 to
> no avail.  I've got the card being recognized, even see the proper settings
> in ifconfig via use of rc.conf entries but just can't seem to get it to
> become active. See below for outputs, let me know if you see something obvious.

Yeah, the CE2 has only been know to work very occasionally.  I'm hoping to
get my hands on one soon so I can figure out why and fix it.

The later Xircom 10/100 cards are a different story, though -- they all
work perfectly (I have to say that; I wrote the driver :-)  Seriously
though, a CE3 or RealPort card should be fine.  You can probably pick up a
used CE3 for very little cash these days too.

Cheers,

        Scott

--
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scott.mitchell@mail.com | 0xAA775B8B |      -- Anon

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  --------------F334F21B671D88AB93EB192B-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Nov 26 23:15:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [192.109.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A2637B479 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 23:15:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by picalon.gun.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13763; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 08:15:28 +0100 (MET) >Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAR7BZk65505; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 08:11:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 08:11:35 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Scott Mitchell Cc: Scott Augustus , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recommended ethernet pccard for 4.2 Message-ID: <20001127081134.A65432@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: <4.3.2.20001124115800.01c90740@pophost> <20001126125010.05670@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001126125010.05670@localhost>; from scott.mitchell@mail.com on Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 12:50:10PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 12:50:10PM +0000, Scott Mitchell wrote: > On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 11:58:13AM -0500, Scott Augustus wrote: > > Greetings all, > > Trying desperately to bring up a Xircom CreditCard IIPS up in fbsd 4.2 to > > no avail. I've got the card being recognized, even see the proper settings > > in ifconfig via use of rc.conf entries but just can't seem to get it to > > become active. See below for outputs, let me know if you see something obvious. > > Yeah, the CE2 has only been know to work very occasionally. I'm hoping to > get my hands on one soon so I can figure out why and fix it. > > The later Xircom 10/100 cards are a different story, though -- they all > work perfectly (I have to say that; I wrote the driver :-) Seriously > though, a CE3 or RealPort card should be fine. You can probably pick up a > used CE3 for very little cash these days too. With one exception, I still didn't get my Xircom Realport (16 Bit) with modem to work. Everything looks fine, ifconfig shows the running device, but no input and output. I think this might be an IRQ or I/O address problem. After installing Win98 on my Toshiba Satellite 4300 (which also has an internal win modem builtin) I learned more about IRQs and IO addresses and will mail the results to this list in the hope to get it running under FreeBSD 4.2 with your kind help. -- Andreas Klemm Powered by FreeBSD SMP Songs from our band >>64Bits<<............http://www.apsfilter.org/64bits.html My homepage................................ http://people.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas Please note: Apsfilter got a NEW HOME................http://www.apsfilter.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Nov 27 8:46: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from homero.datascan-site.com (unknown [216.230.142.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25D837B479 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 08:46:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from homero.datascan-site.com (localhost.datascan-site.com [127.0.0.1]) by homero.datascan-site.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA09116 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:42:25 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rocket@homero.datascan-site.com) From: Jose Rodrigo Fernandez Menegazzo Received: from 192.168.0.9 (SquirrelMail authenticated user rocket) by mail.datascan-site.com with HTTP; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:42:26 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1035.192.168.0.9.975343346.squirrel@mail.datascan-site.com> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:42:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: LinkSys and NEWCARD To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 0.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-_+a8a9e9bc815520b4519b" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=-_+a8a9e9bc815520b4519b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just got my multifunction linksys card (pcmlm56) working (as modem) under FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE. The pccard.conf line is included if it helps anybody. #--------------------------------------------------------------------------- card "Linksys" "EtherFast 10&100 + 56K PC Card (PCMLM56)" config auto "sio" ? #-------------------------------------------------------------------------- The problem is that I would rather like the ethernet part working. I know that at the moment FreeBSD doesn't support multifunction cards so I start play with the NEWCARD configuration. I configure and compile it OK and it seems to recognize the pcic OK. But when "pccardd" starts it complains about /dev/card0 is not configure, which leds to my questions: Should pccardd and pccardc work with NEWCARD or am I wasting my time here. And if they should work, is this a IRQ or MEMORY problem? Should I keep trying to change the parameters and see if it works? Or NEWCARD isn't that usable yet (I'll take my chances even if it's just a little usable, I really need the ethernet part working). 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[206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06412; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:41:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26390; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:41:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14882.43740.595464.903457@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:41:32 -0700 (MST) To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu Cc: Otter , FreeBSD Questions , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: modifying the /etc/rc script In-Reply-To: <20001125124630.W12190@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> References: <20001125124630.W12190@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Due to some problems with intermittent pccard identification delays, I > > need to add a pause in the rc script. 5 seconds should be sufficient, > > just not sure how to add it. I found WHERE, just not WHAT. It needs to > > go after it calls rc.pccard, and before it runs rc.network. Thanks in > > advance. > > Personally, I think it would make more sense to put the delay in > rc.pccard, > > --- /etc/rc.pccard Sun Aug 6 22:55:48 2000 > +++ rc.pccard Sat Nov 25 12:44:33 2000 > @@ -23,5 +23,8 @@ > > echo -n "Enable PC-card." > pccardd ${pccardd_flags} 2>&1 > /var/log/pccardd.debug > + > + # Pause for PCCard to initialize > + sleep 5 > ;; > esac It's probably un-necessary if you pccardd_flags includes the '-z' flag. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Nov 27 18: 7:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA1B37B479 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:07:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from cold.cs.duke.edu (cold.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.78]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22899 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 21:07:08 -0500 (EST) From: Darrell Anderson Received: (anderson@localhost) by cold.cs.duke.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) id VAA05363 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 21:07:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200011280207.VAA05363@cold.cs.duke.edu> Subject: ESS Maestro 3i sound? To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 21:07:08 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is anyone working on ESS Maestro 3i sound support? I see a few old messages in FreeBSD-mobile, and linux drivers courtesy of Zach Brown (www.zabbo.net/maestro3) and OSS (www.opensound.com). Just for kicks I added the Maestro 3i PCI id to the Maestro 2 driver; needless to say that didn't get me very far. -Darrell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Nov 27 23:48:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from zork.sf-bay.org (zork.sf-bay.org [192.150.103.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EA737B402 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:48:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by zork.sf-bay.org (8.11.1/8.9.3) with UUCP id eAS7m4C98177; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:48:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scott@zorch.sf-bay.org) Received: (from scott@localhost) by zorba.sf-bay.org (8.11.1/8.8.8) id eAS7klc01290 for dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:46:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scott) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:46:47 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Hazen Mueller Message-Id: <200011280746.eAS7klc01290@zorba.sf-bay.org> Subject: Re: Aviator 2.4 To: dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Envelope-To: dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >The rev 5 is an upgrade to true 802.11 compliant carsd. I haven't tried it >partly becuase it changes some of the software in the driver and I haven't >finsihed coding it up! But you haven't yet got to that stage yet - it only >affects things when the cards are seeing each other. Yah. I'm half-tempted to put the cards in an envelope and snail mail them to you... :-) Though I may keep them around for a bit longer. >Have you tried the cards under Windows to make sure that they work? I have now, and can't make them go under Win98 either. I think one or both of the radios is toast. I think it's time to give up on these and go ask Santa for a Lucent gateway kit for xmas... \scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 0:10:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D6737B402 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:10:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ragnet.demon.co.uk ([62.253.135.85]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20001128081015.FHBN15785.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@ragnet.demon.co.uk>; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:10:15 +0000 Received: from dmlb by ragnet.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 140foL-0007LJ-00; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:08:21 +0000 Content-Length: 1440 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200011280746.eAS7klc01290@zorba.sf-bay.org> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:08:21 -0000 (GMT) From: Duncan Barclay To: Scott Hazen Mueller Subject: Re: Aviator 2.4 Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 28-Nov-00 Scott Hazen Mueller wrote: >>The rev 5 is an upgrade to true 802.11 compliant carsd. I haven't tried it >>partly becuase it changes some of the software in the driver and I haven't >>finsihed coding it up! But you haven't yet got to that stage yet - it only >>affects things when the cards are seeing each other. > > Yah. I'm half-tempted to put the cards in an envelope and snail mail them > to you... :-) Though I may keep them around for a bit longer. If you are going to throw them away then send them by all means. I can use the broken one for spares (I'm an EE). >>Have you tried the cards under Windows to make sure that they work? > > I have now, and can't make them go under Win98 either. I think one or both > of > the radios is toast. I think it's time to give up on these and go ask Santa > for a Lucent gateway kit for xmas... Can't sat I blame you. I bought six cards and one was toast out of the box. Another died within a couple of months. Luckily I got replacements. > \scott Whatever way you get wireless, it is fun. Reading mail outside when the sun is shining is great! Duncan --- ________________________________________________________________________ Duncan Barclay | God smiles upon the little children, dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk | the alcoholics, and the permanently stoned. ________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 0:25:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E84137B401 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:25:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAS8P6Q60093; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:25:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA08904; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:25:06 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011280825.BAA08904@harmony.village.org> To: Scott Hazen Mueller Subject: Re: Aviator 2.4 Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:13:33 PST." <200011221813.eAMIDXd35113@zorba.sf-bay.org> References: <200011221813.eAMIDXd35113@zorba.sf-bay.org> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:25:06 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200011221813.eAMIDXd35113@zorba.sf-bay.org> Scott Hazen Mueller writes: : these working in a FreeBSD-to-FreeBSD configuration? That's how I tested them. However, they worked out of the box, but were really bad about losing packets after a while (at random). Heavy load never did work right (cvs update over nfs, for example). Didn't use any raycontrol options to make it work beyond ifconfig. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 0:26:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF4B37B401; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:26:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAS8QJQ60105; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:26:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA08931; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:26:18 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011280826.BAA08931@harmony.village.org> To: Sam Wun Subject: Re: WaveLAN card on Free/Open/NetBSD? Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, cg@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:33:29 +1100." <3A1DB759.972222BE@eSec.com.au> References: <3A1DB759.972222BE@eSec.com.au> <20001123170548.A85863@jellyfish.codefactory.se> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:26:18 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <3A1DB759.972222BE@eSec.com.au> Sam Wun writes: : I heard that the Lucent WaveLAN card is not working very well in the : FreeBSD kernel. My firsthand reports are that the Lucent WaveLan cards work excellent in the FreeBSD kernel. I use them all the time and have had no problems. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 0:27: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3C9C37B404; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:27:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAS8R4Q60114; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:27:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA08951; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:27:03 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011280827.BAA08951@harmony.village.org> To: Sam Wun Subject: Re: WaveLAN card on Free/Open/NetBSD? Cc: Ross Finlayson , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, cg@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:56:02 +1100." <3A1DBCA2.A8AF4E2D@eSec.com.au> References: <3A1DBCA2.A8AF4E2D@eSec.com.au> <20001123170548.A85863@jellyfish.codefactory.se> <4.3.1.1.20001123163859.00b605a0@ns.live.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:27:03 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <3A1DBCA2.A8AF4E2D@eSec.com.au> Sam Wun writes: : Yes, the PCI one is what I want to use with Lucent WaveLAN card. Is the PCMCIA : only for laptop? Use the isa version for now. I'll look at the pci version soon. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 0:28:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A7837B401 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:28:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAS8SSQ60124; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:28:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA08971; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:28:28 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011280828.BAA08971@harmony.village.org> To: Scott Augustus Subject: Re: Recommended ethernet pccard for 4.2 Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:58:13 EST." <4.3.2.20001124115800.01c90740@pophost> References: <4.3.2.20001124115800.01c90740@pophost> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:28:28 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <4.3.2.20001124115800.01c90740@pophost> Scott Augustus writes: : 1) Is there one particular card one might recommend has having the best : chance of working? : 2) Can anyone recommend a good resource for FAQ's, How To's etc on fbsd and : mobile use? The Xircom PS-2 works. I have one that works very well on at least -current. Maybe you have a resource conflict that keeps it from working? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 0:29:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8995C37B400; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:29:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAS8TVQ60133; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:29:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA08991; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:29:31 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011280829.BAA08991@harmony.village.org> To: "Otter" Subject: Re: PCCARD config question Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:51:12 EST." References: Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:29:31 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message "Otter" writes: : an error message stating "/dev/card0: device not configured". What am For some reason your cardbus/pccard controller isn't being recognized. The 574BT is a supported card. I don't know why that is the case. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 0:30:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542D037B401 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:30:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAS8ULQ60144; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:30:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA09014; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:30:20 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011280830.BAA09014@harmony.village.org> To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu Subject: Re: Recommended ethernet pccard for 4.2 Cc: Scott Augustus , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:08:21 PST." <20001124130821.Q12190@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> References: <20001124130821.Q12190@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> <4.3.2.20001124115800.01c90740@pophost> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:30:20 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <20001124130821.Q12190@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> "Crist J . Clark" writes: : work. Warner actually got one to wok with this fall, but last I knew, : his did not work either. My combo xircom card didn't work, but my '2 appears to work last time I tried it in -current. I'll give it another spin, but I'm fairly sure about that. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 0:31:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFBC937B404 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAS8ViQ60157; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:31:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA09037; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:31:44 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011280831.BAA09037@harmony.village.org> To: Scott Augustus Subject: Re: Recommended ethernet pccard for 4.2 Cc: "Greg Smith" , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:19:34 EST." <4.3.2.20001125101528.00c75b90@pophost> References: <4.3.2.20001125101528.00c75b90@pophost> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:31:43 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <4.3.2.20001125101528.00c75b90@pophost> Scott Augustus writes: : At 10:47 PM 11/24/00 +0000, Greg Smith wrote: : >I have had good luck with a 3Com 3C589D and also with a Linksys EC2T. : : I recall reading a few rumblings somewhere that the 3c589d works but there : are numerous incidents with substantial packet loss. Interestingly, a : co-worker in Atlanta complained of the same thing to me. Anyone experience : that? I use the 589d all the time. I mean that literally. It works very well. The only time you'll have substaitial packet loss is when the IRQ is badly configured. At least that's been the case in every single case I've investigated. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 0:32:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B1037B698; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:32:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAS8WoQ60170; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:32:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA09064; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:32:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011280832.BAA09064@harmony.village.org> To: "Otter" Subject: Re: modifying the /etc/rc script Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 25 Nov 2000 14:01:33 EST." References: Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:32:50 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message "Otter" writes: : Due to some problems with intermittent pccard identification delays, I : need to add a pause in the rc script. 5 seconds should be sufficient, : just not sure how to add it. I found WHERE, just not WHAT. It needs to : go after it calls rc.pccard, and before it runs rc.network. Thanks in : advance. No you don't. Just add -z to the command line for pccardd and it will do the pausing for you. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 0:33:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB9E537B402; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:33:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAS8XPQ60178; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:33:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA09084; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:33:25 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011280833.BAA09084@harmony.village.org> To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu Subject: Re: modifying the /etc/rc script Cc: Otter , FreeBSD Questions , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:46:30 PST." <20001125124630.W12190@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> References: <20001125124630.W12190@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:33:25 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <20001125124630.W12190@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> "Crist J . Clark" writes: : Personally, I think it would make more sense to put the delay in : rc.pccard, Bad idea. Just add -z to pccardd_flags and it will wait until the card is configured and you have no magic sleep values. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 0:35:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4469737B404 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:35:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAS8ZoQ60195; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:35:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA09122; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:35:49 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011280835.BAA09122@harmony.village.org> To: Jose Rodrigo Fernandez Menegazzo Subject: Re: LinkSys and NEWCARD Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:42:26 CST." <1035.192.168.0.9.975343346.squirrel@mail.datascan-site.com> References: <1035.192.168.0.9.975343346.squirrel@mail.datascan-site.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:35:49 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <1035.192.168.0.9.975343346.squirrel@mail.datascan-site.com> Jose Rodrigo Fernandez Menegazzo writes: : The problem is that I would rather like the ethernet part working. : I know that at the moment FreeBSD doesn't support multifunction cards so I : start play with the NEWCARD configuration. I configure and compile it OK : and it seems to recognize the pcic OK. But when "pccardd" starts it : complains about /dev/card0 is not configure, which leds to my questions: : : Should pccardd and pccardc work with NEWCARD or am I wasting my time here. : And if they should work, is this a IRQ or MEMORY problem? Should I keep : trying to change the parameters and see if it works? Or NEWCARD isn't that : usable yet (I'll take my chances even if it's just a little usable, I really : need the ethernet part working). NEWCARD doesn't work for 16-bit cards yet. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 6:40:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from oden.exmandato.se (oden.exmandato.se [192.71.33.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E4437B402 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 06:40:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from servicefactory.se (root@oden.exmandato.se [192.71.33.1]) by oden.exmandato.se (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08462 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:40:19 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3A23C3D2.E8C59D1E@servicefactory.se> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:40:18 +0100 From: Jonas Bulow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4QHLS4.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 7:11:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mail.dreamwvr.com (unknown [207.176.229.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249FA37B400 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 07:11:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from dreamwvr.com (unknown [204.92.61.123]) by mail.dreamwvr.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8748E7081; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:11:30 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3A23CCAF.9F0B48DE@dreamwvr.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:18:07 -0700 From: dreamwvr Reply-To: dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; OpenBSD 2.7 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonas Bulow Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads References: <3A23C3D2.E8C59D1E@servicefactory.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi , screw them i was invited to a seminar that they had put on at a convention center in which they did a linux presentation and sed how committed to this they were.. well time to clue them into the fact that open source is a community;-)) Best Regards, dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com Jonas Bulow wrote: > http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4QHLS4.html > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 7:27:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from irl.eecs.umich.edu (irl.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.8.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9DAD37B401 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 07:27:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from irl.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.eecs.umich.edu [127.0.0.1]) by irl.eecs.umich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA86795 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:27:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sugih@irl.eecs.umich.edu) Message-Id: <200011281527.KAA86795@irl.eecs.umich.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads From: Sugih Jamin Reply-To: jamin@eecs.umich.edu X-Phone: +1 734 763 1583 X-Fax: +1 734 763 1503 X-URL: http://irl.eecs.umich.edu/jamin/ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:27:02 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD - Unable to boot OS after installation on IBM Thinkpad A20, A21, T20, T21, or X20. Applicable Countries Worldwide Service Hints & Tips Symptom FreeBSD will not boot on any attached device HDD, FDD, CD-ROM, etc. on IBM Thinkpad A20, A21, T20, T21, or X20 using a default installation. Solution Do not buy unsupported IBM ThinkPads. -- sugih To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 7:57:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from yoda.dccnet.com (mail.deltacable.com [207.230.239.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C8B37B400 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 07:57:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from dccnet.com (unverified [209.5.158.158]) by yoda.dccnet.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.6) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 07:56:57 -0800 Message-ID: <3A23D5BD.5CF72F4F@dccnet.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 07:56:45 -0800 From: "Kevin G. Eliuk" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jamin@eecs.umich.edu Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads References: <200011281527.KAA86795@irl.eecs.umich.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sugih Jamin wrote: > > FreeBSD - Unable to boot OS after installation on > IBM Thinkpad A20, A21, T20, T21, or X20. Question: Does IBM reserve space on the HDD of their laptops for system BIOS that would cause such a problem in the event of a dedicated installation? -- Regards, )))))) )))))) )))))) Kevin G. Eliuk )) )) )) )) )) )) http://www.FreeBSD.org )) "Change your operating system, )) )) )) )) )) and You can change your World." )))))) )))))) )))))) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 8:17:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-177-187.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.177.187]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2127137B400 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eASGOdF25354; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:24:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011281624.eASGOdF25354@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Kevin G. Eliuk" Cc: jamin@eecs.umich.edu, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 28 Nov 2000 07:56:45 PST." <3A23D5BD.5CF72F4F@dccnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:24:39 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Sugih Jamin wrote: > > > FreeBSD - Unable to boot OS after installation on > > IBM Thinkpad A20, A21, T20, T21, or X20. > > Question: Does IBM reserve space on the HDD of their laptops for system BIOS > that would cause such a problem in the event of a dedicated installation? No. Some fool at IBM (or whomever they contracted the BIOS development out to) decided to use partition ID 165 for the suspend-to-disk partition, and the IBM BIOS gets very, very upset when it finds what it thinks is an enormous suspend-to-disk partition on the disk. The "right" solution here is to bug IBM to resepect the already-assigned partition ID numbers (if you are a large IBM customer) or to buy a better notebook. If you're stuck with a ThinkPad, there are several viable workarounds that will let you thumb your nose at IBM and get on with your work (see the list archives). -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 8:36: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773C437B400; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:35:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15071; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:35:25 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001128093226.048f4cf0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:35:17 -0700 To: "Nicholas Basila" , From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Cc: , , In-Reply-To: <000701c05958$09651ef0$3103000a@gaston> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org IBM's tactics are the old "bait and switch." They want users to move to AIX, not FreeBSD or Linux. Unfortunately, their PR people have pretended to jump on the Linux bandwagon in a big way, and this hurts the BSDs. --Brett At 09:21 AM 11/28/2000, Nicholas Basila wrote: >Hmmm, > > Well, I never liked their laptops, anyway. I'm surprised they don't >support RH Linux. I'm glad to know that they support all the lousy MS >operating systems ... > > > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jonas Bulow [mailto:jonas.bulow@servicefactory.se] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 9:32 AM >> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; freebsd-mobie@freebsd.org; >> freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org >> Subject: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer >> Thinkpads >> >> >> http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4QHLS4.html >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message >> > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 8:51:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-177-187.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.177.187]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF09837B400; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:51:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eASGwoF25493; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:58:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011281658.eASGwoF25493@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Brett Glass Cc: "Nicholas Basila" , jonas.bulow@servicefactory.se, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:35:17 MST." <4.3.2.7.2.20001128093226.048f4cf0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:58:49 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If anyone listening to this lives near Brett, we'd all appreciate it if you'd drop by and talk him into taking up the medication again. Thanks. > IBM's tactics are the old "bait and switch." They want users to > move to AIX, not FreeBSD or Linux. Unfortunately, their PR people > have pretended to jump on the Linux bandwagon in a big way, and > this hurts the BSDs. > > --Brett > > At 09:21 AM 11/28/2000, Nicholas Basila wrote: > > >Hmmm, > > > > Well, I never liked their laptops, anyway. I'm surprised they don't > >support RH Linux. I'm glad to know that they support all the lousy MS > >operating systems ... > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Jonas Bulow [mailto:jonas.bulow@servicefactory.se] > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 9:32 AM > >> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; freebsd-mobie@freebsd.org; > >> freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > >> Subject: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer > >> Thinkpads > >> > >> > >> http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4QHLS4.html > >> > >> > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 9: 6:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f279.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1894037B401 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:06:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:06:27 -0800 Received: from 134.134.248.28 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:06:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [134.134.248.28] Reply-To: bwoods2@uswest.net From: "gaurdian gaurdian" To: brett@lariat.org Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:06:26 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2000 17:06:27.0104 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B588A00:01C0595D] Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So what: 1) They have no obligation to support FreeBSD. 2) If you dont like it, dont buy their Laptops... I for one, have no issues with them. 3) I have FreeBSD running fine on my Thinkpad 600E and have had it there for the last year. >From: "Brett Glass" >To: "Nicholas Basila" , " " > >CC: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, " " > >Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer >Thinkpads >Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:35:17 -0700 > >IBM's tactics are the old "bait and switch." They want users to >move to AIX, not FreeBSD or Linux. Unfortunately, their PR people >have pretended to jump on the Linux bandwagon in a big way, and >this hurts the BSDs. > >--Brett > >At 09:21 AM 11/28/2000, Nicholas Basila wrote: > > >Hmmm, > > > > Well, I never liked their laptops, anyway. I'm surprised they don't > >support RH Linux. I'm glad to know that they support all the lousy MS > >operating systems ... > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Jonas Bulow [mailto:jonas.bulow@servicefactory.se] > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 9:32 AM > >> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; freebsd-mobie@freebsd.org; > >> freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > >> Subject: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer > >> Thinkpads > >> > >> > >> http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4QHLS4.html > >> > >> > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 9:58: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6AD37B404; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:57:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05195; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:54:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpdAAASPaG3j; Tue Nov 28 10:53:57 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA09532; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:57:28 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200011281757.KAA09532@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads To: msmith@FreeBSD.ORG (Mike Smith) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:57:28 +0000 (GMT) Cc: brett@lariat.org (Brett Glass), nbasila@epcot.revenio.com (Nicholas Basila), jonas.bulow@servicefactory.se, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200011281658.eASGwoF25493@mass.osd.bsdi.com> from "Mike Smith" at Nov 28, 2000 08:58:49 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > >Hmmm, > > > > > > Well, I never liked their laptops, anyway. I'm surprised they don't > > >support RH Linux. I'm glad to know that they support all the lousy MS > > >operating systems ... > > > > IBM's tactics are the old "bait and switch." They want users to > > move to AIX, not FreeBSD or Linux. Unfortunately, their PR people > > have pretended to jump on the Linux bandwagon in a big way, and > > this hurts the BSDs. > > If anyone listening to this lives near Brett, we'd all appreciate it if > you'd drop by and talk him into taking up the medication again. I think he was commenting on the surprise expressed that RH Linux was not listed as a supported OS. As a former insider, I have to say that there is a very large and vocal Linux advocacy, to the point of having internal conferences on Linux, hosted at Almaden research center, where one of the primary focii was internal Linux advocacy. The IBM PR machine loves Linux, since Linux gets you column-space in trade rags, and anything that looks like an attack on the Microsoft oligarchy/hegemony is considered "fit to print", or at least "proper editorial cannon fodder". But I have to say that I'm not at all surprised about the Linux "omission", or the phrasing of the statements about "Caldera OpenLinux" and "Do not install a non-supported operating system". The lawyers have quite a different take: if you want to use GPL code, or any other code with a source distribution requirement, you are required to attend a "handling toxic waste that will destroy your patent rights" class, before you are allowed to even touch it. You also have to get "cleared" copies of the code from internal IBM servers, so that IBM patents aren't infringed by you using a newer version of the code. There is an 18 page presentation that most of the internal search engines will point you to, when you are going through the exercise of trying to find information internally. It boils down to "how to double-glove before putting on your biohazard suit to enter a class 5 hot zone containing live Ebola". FWIW, the "recovery procedure" they allude to is to use their recovery CDROM, which will basically repartition and reinstall the default software that came with the machine. I'll guess that they don't recommend specific recovery instructions (and refer only to "various utilities") as a hold harmless measure, since the recovery CD will effectively blow away any user data on the drive, and they don't want to be held responsible for that. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 10: 6: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A9037B401 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:05:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 140p8a-0001p4-00 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:05:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:05:51 -0500 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Wavelan base stations (Re: Aviator 2.4) Message-ID: <20001128130551.B4237@pir.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org References: <200011280746.eAS7klc01290@zorba.sf-bay.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011280746.eAS7klc01290@zorba.sf-bay.org>; from scott@zorch.sf-bay.org on Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 11:46:47PM -0800 X-fish: < Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Scott Hazen Mueller probably said: > I have now, and can't make them go under Win98 either. I think one > or both of the radios is toast. I think it's time to give up on > these and go ask Santa for a Lucent gateway kit for xmas... My, very strong, advice is; don't touch the lucent residential gateway with a bargepole. It's the same guts as an apple airport, but with partly broken firmware and crippled configuration software. The firmware on the lucent gateway forces the first 6 characters of the network name to seemingly random hex digits (not related to the mac address or the id of the unit) and the software won't let you use 90% of the unit's features and won't even let you change the SNMP community string. The Apple Airport has a free configurator (that does also work with the lucent gateway, apart the broken network name problem), doesn't have broken firmware, the extra features of the unit (mac address filtering, etc) are supported by apple and it's even normally cheaper. It looks cooler, too :) I've played with both pretty extensively and survey says; buy an airport. P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 12:47:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from zorch.sf-bay.org (zorch.sf-bay.org [192.150.103.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB5837B402 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:47:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by zorch.sf-bay.org (8.11.1/8.8.2) with UUCP id eASKj5608776; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:45:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from scott@localhost) by zorba.sf-bay.org (8.11.1/8.8.8) id eASKgRK53231 for imp@village.org; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:42:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scott) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:42:27 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Hazen Mueller Message-Id: <200011282042.eASKgRK53231@zorba.sf-bay.org> Subject: Re: Aviator 2.4 To: imp@village.org, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Envelope-To: imp@village.org Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >: these working in a FreeBSD-to-FreeBSD configuration? >That's how I tested them. However, they worked out of the box, but >were really bad about losing packets after a while (at random). Heavy >load never did work right (cvs update over nfs, for example). Didn't >use any raycontrol options to make it work beyond ifconfig. I seem to recall that you dropped MTU down on your cards. Did you drop wsize and rsize down on your NFS mounts? I've got 512-byte MTUs on my ethernet here because of a bogus router, and I had to drop wsize and rsize down to 1024 for NFS to work properly. \scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 12:51:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9997A37B402 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:51:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eASKpRQ62669; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:51:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA12768; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:51:27 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011282051.NAA12768@harmony.village.org> To: Scott Hazen Mueller Subject: Re: Aviator 2.4 Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:42:27 PST." <200011282042.eASKgRK53231@zorba.sf-bay.org> References: <200011282042.eASKgRK53231@zorba.sf-bay.org> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:51:27 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200011282042.eASKgRK53231@zorba.sf-bay.org> Scott Hazen Mueller writes: : I seem to recall that you dropped MTU down on your cards. Did you drop wsize : and rsize down on your NFS mounts? I've got 512-byte MTUs on my ethernet here : because of a bogus router, and I had to drop wsize and rsize down to 1024 for : NFS to work properly. I guess I was unclear. The ray cards I used could barely keep a ssh session going, while the oronoko and Zomm air-4000 pair was able to do a full FreeSBD update over cvs as well as a full cvsup to initially populate my mirror cvs repo on the laptop. Eg, the ray cards were completely unstable for even reading email or doing a cvs update over ssh. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 13: 3:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from Millions.Ca (h-207-228-120-32.gen.cadvision.com [207.228.120.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE91337B400 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:03:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by Millions.Ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05275; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:03:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stacy@Millions.CA) Received: from Oak.Millions.Ca(192.168.64.1) via SMTP by mail-gw-0.millions.ca, id smtpdbU5273; Tue Nov 28 14:03:06 2000 Received: from Millions.CA (Maple.Millions.Ca [192.168.64.2]) by oak.millions.ca (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03949; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:03:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3A241D89.1A399062@Millions.CA> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:03:05 -0700 From: Stacy Millions Organization: Millions Consulting Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bwoods2@uswest.net, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org gaurdian gaurdian wrote: > > So what: > > 1) They have no obligation to support FreeBSD. No one is asking them to "support" FreeBSD, just don't break things for no apparent reason. This is roughly analogous to an auto maker building a car that stalls every time you drive it under a high voltage power line and then "solving" the problem by saying: We don't support high voltage power lines. We recommend you don't drive your car under high voltage power lines. > 3) I have FreeBSD running fine on my Thinkpad 600E > and have had it there for the last year. And how would that be relevant to a discussion of the A20, A21, T20, T21 and X20 models? -stacy -- Nothing spoils fun like finding out it builds character. - Calvin Stacy Millions stacy@millions.ca Millions Consulting Limited To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 13:28:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f202.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1A637B401 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:28:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:28:37 -0800 Received: from 134.134.248.28 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:28:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [134.134.248.28] Reply-To: bwoods2@uswest.net From: "gaurdian gaurdian" To: stacy@Millions.CA, bwoods2@uswest.net, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:28:37 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2000 21:28:37.0714 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B852320:01C05982] Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, call my view limited if you want BUT, if you dont like they way they do things, dont use their products....that pretty much summs it up. They have a right to do what they want with their products, if we dont like it, we dont have to use em. And, yes, the question was in regard to "supporting" FreeBSD on that system, their responce was it is not supported. Regarding my 600E that is running fine, it was a simple statement pointing out that you DO have an option besides that specific model. BTW, just because the reason isnt "apparent" doesnt mean their isnt one. >From: "Stacy Millions" >To: bwoods2@uswest.net, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer >Thinkpads >Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:03:05 -0700 > >gaurdian gaurdian wrote: > > > > So what: > > > > 1) They have no obligation to support FreeBSD. > >No one is asking them to "support" FreeBSD, just don't break things for >no apparent reason. > >This is roughly analogous to an auto maker building a car that stalls >every time you drive it under a high voltage power line and then >"solving" the problem by saying: > > We don't support high voltage power lines. We recommend > you don't drive your car under high voltage power lines. > > > 3) I have FreeBSD running fine on my Thinkpad 600E > > and have had it there for the last year. > >And how would that be relevant to a discussion of the A20, A21, T20, T21 >and X20 models? > >-stacy > >-- >Nothing spoils fun like finding out it builds character. > - Calvin > >Stacy Millions stacy@millions.ca >Millions Consulting Limited > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 21:21: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815CF37B402; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:20:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAT5JBq47439; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:49:11 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:49:11 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith Cc: "Kevin G. Eliuk" , jamin@eecs.umich.edu, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Message-ID: <20001129154911.B47200@echunga.lemis.com> References: <3A23D5BD.5CF72F4F@dccnet.com> <200011281624.eASGOdF25354@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011281624.eASGOdF25354@mass.osd.bsdi.com>; from msmith@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 08:24:39AM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 28 November 2000 at 8:24:39 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >> Sugih Jamin wrote: >> >>> FreeBSD - Unable to boot OS after installation on >>> IBM Thinkpad A20, A21, T20, T21, or X20. >> >> Question: Does IBM reserve space on the HDD of their laptops for system BIOS >> that would cause such a problem in the event of a dedicated installation? > > No. Some fool at IBM (or whomever they contracted the BIOS development > out to) decided to use partition ID 165 for the suspend-to-disk > partition, and the IBM BIOS gets very, very upset when it finds what it > thinks is an enormous suspend-to-disk partition on the disk. Are you sure of this? I know the idea had been bandied around, but so had some others. If we go to IBM with claims like this, and they turn out to be incorrect, we'll be shooting ourselves in the foot. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 21:42:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-177-187.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.177.187]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23EE137B401 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:42:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAT5nZF28030; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:49:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011290549.eAT5nZF28030@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Greg Lehey Cc: "Kevin G. Eliuk" , jamin@eecs.umich.edu, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:49:11 +1030." <20001129154911.B47200@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:49:35 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > No. Some fool at IBM (or whomever they contracted the BIOS development > > out to) decided to use partition ID 165 for the suspend-to-disk > > partition, and the IBM BIOS gets very, very upset when it finds what it > > thinks is an enormous suspend-to-disk partition on the disk. > > Are you sure of this? I know the idea had been bandied around, but so > had some others. If we go to IBM with claims like this, and they turn > out to be incorrect, we'll be shooting ourselves in the foot. This was the data presented at the 'Con. I'm hoping to verify it with an A20p tomorrow evening, but I'm reasonably confident that the original reporters on this issue knew what they were talking about. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 21:44: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-177-187.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.177.187]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D1E37B400 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:44:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAT5pJF28047; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:51:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011290551.eAT5pJF28047@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Greg Lehey Cc: "Kevin G. Eliuk" , jamin@eecs.umich.edu, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:49:11 +1030." <20001129154911.B47200@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:51:19 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > No. Some fool at IBM (or whomever they contracted the BIOS development > > out to) decided to use partition ID 165 for the suspend-to-disk > > partition, and the IBM BIOS gets very, very upset when it finds what it > > thinks is an enormous suspend-to-disk partition on the disk. > > Are you sure of this? I know the idea had been bandied around, but so > had some others. If we go to IBM with claims like this, and they turn > out to be incorrect, we'll be shooting ourselves in the foot. Oh, I almost forgot to mention. One of the stories going around inside IBM about why there is a problem with these laptops and FreeBSD claims that "FreeBSD puts the boot sector somewhere nonstandard and the BIOS can't find it". Whose foot was that, again? 8) -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 28 22: 6:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D025C37B400; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:06:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAT64r447741; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:34:53 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:34:53 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith Cc: "Kevin G. Eliuk" , jamin@eecs.umich.edu, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Message-ID: <20001129163453.F47200@echunga.lemis.com> References: <20001129154911.B47200@echunga.lemis.com> <200011290551.eAT5pJF28047@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011290551.eAT5pJF28047@mass.osd.bsdi.com>; from msmith@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 09:51:19PM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 28 November 2000 at 21:51:19 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >>> No. Some fool at IBM (or whomever they contracted the BIOS development >>> out to) decided to use partition ID 165 for the suspend-to-disk >>> partition, and the IBM BIOS gets very, very upset when it finds what it >>> thinks is an enormous suspend-to-disk partition on the disk. >> >> Are you sure of this? I know the idea had been bandied around, but so >> had some others. If we go to IBM with claims like this, and they turn >> out to be incorrect, we'll be shooting ourselves in the foot. > > Oh, I almost forgot to mention. > > One of the stories going around inside IBM about why there is a > problem with these laptops and FreeBSD claims that "FreeBSD puts the > boot sector somewhere nonstandard and the BIOS can't find it". > > Whose foot was that, again? 8) So far, I don't know. As you say, it's just a story going around. It could be wrong. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 1: 1:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mercure.accelance.net (mercure.accelance.net [212.155.217.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73FFE37B402 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 01:01:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from accelance.fr (guardian.accelance.net [212.155.217.253]) by mercure.accelance.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14886 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:01:21 +0100 Message-ID: <3A24C5E0.B6AEBD78@accelance.fr> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:01:20 +0100 From: Matthias Saou X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-marmotte i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Problem with a Xircom ethernet card Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there! I'm still quite new to FreeBSD, but I start to like that OS : It's hard to start with but it's very neat and powerful :-) I've installed a 4.2-RELEASE on my Asus L7300 laptop, dual-booting with Linux. I've recompiled my kernel, got the sound working great (took me 2 hours to finally be bright enough to have a look inside the MAKEDEV script to see I was supposed to do a "./MAKEDEV snd0" to get /dev/dsp and others...) but I still can't get my ethernet to work! It's a nuisance since xmms isn't on the CD-Rom even though lots of packages that depend on it are there... and without a network access, I can't easily build ports... First of all, the card IS NOT a CardBus card, it's a basic pccard 10/100 ethernet + modem 56. The IRQ used under Linux for the pccard/cardbus bridge is 9, and the ethernet uses 10. Both the modem and the ethernet work great under Linux (2.2 and 2.4-test even better ;-) OK, here are the symptoms : At boot time, the pccard/cardbus is found (pcipc0 and pcipc1 if I recall well) and the pccardd started. What I get is a message saying it can't find anything corresponding to "(null)"("(null)") in the pccard.conf file after displaying two messages "card inserted in slot 0" on the console. I really don't have a clue of what's happening. I suppose the problem is earlier than the pccard.conf file, so there's nothing much to do there (I tried "irq 10" and other stuff just in case...). I installed a 4.1.1-RELEASE on the same computer before, I never got that card working (I didn't try very long...), but the pccardd message was giving my card's full name (Xircom CreditCard etc.). Browsing the list archives, I found that "xe" support was broken in 4.0-RELEASE and fixed after, is it the case again? I suppose not, and that I'm the one doing something wrong :-( Any help, pointers etc. would be very very much appreciated. Matthias -- Matthias Saou matthias@accelance.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 6:32:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from lavender.sanpei.org (e144025.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp [211.13.144.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1EC37B698 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 06:32:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sanpei@localhost) by lavender.sanpei.org (8.11.0/3.7W) id eATEWoW01126; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:32:50 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200011291432.eATEWoW01126@lavender.sanpei.org> To: mobile@FreeBSD.org From: sanpei@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Patch] PC-Card melody beep into 4-stable X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.34.1 / Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:32:49 +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. I want to MFC PC-Card melody beep patch into 4-stable(and for 4.3-RELEASE). Any comments? http://people.FreeBSD.org/~sanpei/patch/pccard-melody-beep-4-20001129 --- MIHIRA, Sanpei Yoshiro Yokohama, Japan. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 9:10:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from sodium.cips.nokia.com (Sodium.cips.nokia.com [199.46.17.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C92737B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from sodium.cips.nokia.com (localhost.network-alchemy.com [127.0.0.1]) by sodium.cips.nokia.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA88193 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:10:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from key@sodium.cips.nokia.com) Message-Id: <200011291710.JAA88193@sodium.cips.nokia.com> To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG From: Ken Key Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:51:19 -0800. <200011290551.eAT5pJF28047@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:10:19 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Folks, I spent most of last week repeatedly converting an A21P and a T21 into wortless bricks and back, trying to find a way to get FreeBSD running on them. I distilled the death point to: - Do the install (I've used both boot0 and LILO, doesn't matter), it's a brick - won't even get into the BIOS menu. - Pull drive out and boot on my 600X. Fire up fdisk and change it from 165 to something else. Do not touch MBR or anything else. - Put drive back in (A21P and T21) and I can now get into the BIOS screens or actually boot via boot0 or LILO into Win2K. - Put drive back in 600x, change back to 165, back in *21 - It is a brick. So, while I don't know what IBM is doing with partition type 165, I am convinced it is a key to the boot lock-up problem for the T21 and A21P. Now boot0 has grown from 1 to 2 sectors in length, maybe that's what "the story inside IBM" is trying to talk about - I don't know. However, the above pattern was reproduced with LILO, independant of boot0, so I really don't think boot0 is related to the problem. We have a couple of T20s' running FreeBSD, so this particular behavior seems to be related to changes for the *21 models. The T20 guys are never going to "upgrade" their BIOS after this mess. Regards, K^2 > > > No. Some fool at IBM (or whomever they contracted the BIOS development > > > out to) decided to use partition ID 165 for the suspend-to-disk > > > partition, and the IBM BIOS gets very, very upset when it finds what it > > > thinks is an enormous suspend-to-disk partition on the disk. > > > > Are you sure of this? I know the idea had been bandied around, but so > > had some others. If we go to IBM with claims like this, and they turn > > out to be incorrect, we'll be shooting ourselves in the foot. > > Oh, I almost forgot to mention. > > One of the stories going around inside IBM about why there is a problem > with these laptops and FreeBSD claims that "FreeBSD puts the boot sector > somewhere nonstandard and the BIOS can't find it". > > Whose foot was that, again? 8) > > -- > ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his > rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want > to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force > people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message -- Ken Key (key@cips.nokia.com, key@Network-Alchemy.com) Nokia, Clustered IP Solutions, Santa Cruz, CA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 9:24: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDA237B400; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22194; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:23:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17299; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:23:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14885.15275.584459.919834@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:23:55 -0700 (MST) To: Mike Smith Cc: "Kevin G. Eliuk" , jamin@eecs.umich.edu, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-Reply-To: <200011281624.eASGOdF25354@mass.osd.bsdi.com> References: <3A23D5BD.5CF72F4F@dccnet.com> <200011281624.eASGOdF25354@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > FreeBSD - Unable to boot OS after installation on > > > IBM Thinkpad A20, A21, T20, T21, or X20. > > > > Question: Does IBM reserve space on the HDD of their laptops for system BIOS > > that would cause such a problem in the event of a dedicated installation? > > No. Some fool at IBM (or whomever they contracted the BIOS development > out to) decided to use partition ID 165 for the suspend-to-disk > partition, and the IBM BIOS gets very, very upset when it finds what it > thinks is an enormous suspend-to-disk partition on the disk. I'm pretty sure that's not the case. In fact, I'm almost positive that's not the case, as we have a number of FreeBSD machines running on these boxes. However, what *is* happening is that the boot-blocks are too big (this was the case in 4.1, and was fixed in 4.2, something about using up 2-sectors or somesuch) which causes the IBM BIOS to barf on it for some reason. If you install older/newer bootlblocks, it works fine. Unfortunately, these boxes became popular around the time that FreeBSD 4.1 was released, so anyone that attempted to install with it made their computers unable to recognize the disks. It's really a 'BIOS' problem, since if you use older (smaller) bootblocks and the partition of 165, it works fine. > The "right" solution here is to bug IBM to resepect the already-assigned > partition ID numbers (if you are a large IBM customer) or to buy a better > notebook. If you're stuck with a ThinkPad, there are several viable > workarounds that will let you thumb your nose at IBM and get on with your > work (see the list archives). Again, see the list archives. As everyone has heard me voice over the years, IBM laptops are extremely nice. However, I will admit to be a bit appalled at their recent lack of 'support' in trying to get this resolved. Refusing to acknowledge the hard-drive because the bootblocks are too big is simply bogus, and whomever wrote their BIOS should be taken out and paddled. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 9:24:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from isds.duke.edu (davinci.isds.duke.edu [152.3.22.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D84AC37B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from feta.isds.duke.edu (feta.isds.duke.edu [152.3.22.76]) by isds.duke.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17748; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:24:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from sto@localhost) by feta.isds.duke.edu (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eATHOFL51729; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:24:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sto) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:24:15 -0500 From: "Sean O'Connell" To: Ken Key Cc: FreeBSD mobile Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Message-ID: <20001129122415.D51569@stat.Duke.EDU> Reply-To: "Sean O'Connell" Mail-Followup-To: Sean O'Connell , Ken Key , FreeBSD mobile References: <200011290551.eAT5pJF28047@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <200011291710.JAA88193@sodium.cips.nokia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011291710.JAA88193@sodium.cips.nokia.com>; from key@network-alchemy.com on Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 09:10:19AM -0800 X-Organization: Institute of Statistics and Decision Sciences Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ken Key stated: : Hi Folks, : : I spent most of last week repeatedly converting an A21P and a T21 into : wortless bricks and back, trying to find a way to get FreeBSD running on : them. I distilled the death point to: : : - Do the install (I've used both boot0 and LILO, doesn't matter), it's : a brick - won't even get into the BIOS menu. : - Pull drive out and boot on my 600X. Fire up fdisk and change it from 165 : to something else. Do not touch MBR or anything else. : - Put drive back in (A21P and T21) and I can now get into the BIOS screens : or actually boot via boot0 or LILO into Win2K. : - Put drive back in 600x, change back to 165, back in *21 : - It is a brick. : : So, while I don't know what IBM is doing with partition type 165, : I am convinced it is a key to the boot lock-up problem for the : T21 and A21P. Now boot0 has grown from 1 to 2 sectors in length, : maybe that's what "the story inside IBM" is trying to talk about - : I don't know. However, the above pattern was reproduced with LILO, : independant of boot0, so I really don't think boot0 is related to : the problem. : : We have a couple of T20s' running FreeBSD, so this particular behavior : seems to be related to changes for the *21 models. The T20 guys are : never going to "upgrade" their BIOS after this mess. Ken- I had heard a rumor that part of the issue was with FreeBSD's default MBR tweaks which set the partition to 165 _and_ make it active. When I installed on an A20M -- not sure that it is even an afflicted system -- I made sure that FreeBSD didn't mangle the MBR on install and use the Partition Magic's BootMagic as a boot loader. Not sure if any of this would help with your situation or not. I took this route mostly because the machine is not mine nor ISDS's ... personal machine for visiting faculty member. S ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Sean O'Connell Email: sean@stat.Duke.EDU Institute of Statistics and Decision Sciences Phone: (919) 684-5419 Duke University Fax: (919) 684-8594 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 9:35:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A2037B401 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:35:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22388; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:35:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17335; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:35:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14885.15948.729037.110372@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:35:08 -0700 (MST) To: Ken Key Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-Reply-To: <200011291710.JAA88193@sodium.cips.nokia.com> References: <200011290551.eAT5pJF28047@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <200011291710.JAA88193@sodium.cips.nokia.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I spent most of last week repeatedly converting an A21P and a T21 into > wortless bricks and back, trying to find a way to get FreeBSD running on > them. I distilled the death point to: > > - Do the install (I've used both boot0 and LILO, doesn't matter), it's > a brick - won't even get into the BIOS menu. > - Pull drive out and boot on my 600X. Fire up fdisk and change it from 165 > to something else. Do not touch MBR or anything else. > - Put drive back in (A21P and T21) and I can now get into the BIOS screens > or actually boot via boot0 or LILO into Win2K. > - Put drive back in 600x, change back to 165, back in *21 > - It is a brick. > > So, while I don't know what IBM is doing with partition type 165, > I am convinced it is a key to the boot lock-up problem for the > T21 and A21P. Now boot0 has grown from 1 to 2 sectors in length, > maybe that's what "the story inside IBM" is trying to talk about - > I don't know. Didn't Robert shrink it back to 1 sector after 4.1 was released? It would be interesting to know if the 'smaller' bootblock worked as well. (The box we're using is an A20, so it may be different from the A21 problem..) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 9:43: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CA637B402 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:42:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eATHgva09793; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:42:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com( 207.76.205.64) by whistle.com via smap (V2.0) id xma009788; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:42:36 -0800 Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eATHgab33616; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:42:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:42:36 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <200011291742.eATHgab33616@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: nate@yogotech.com Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Cc: mobile@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <14885.15948.729037.110372@nomad.yogotech.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From: Nate Williams >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:35:08 -0700 (MST) >> So, while I don't know what IBM is doing with partition type 165, >> I am convinced it is a key to the boot lock-up problem for the >> T21 and A21P. Now boot0 has grown from 1 to 2 sectors in length, >> maybe that's what "the story inside IBM" is trying to talk about - >> I don't know. >Didn't Robert shrink it back to 1 sector after 4.1 was released? It >would be interesting to know if the 'smaller' bootblock worked as well. No; jhb found that there was a bug in the boot0 code & fixed it. My archived mail shows that most of the work occurred on 04 August. (It affected the Intellistations we use for Engineers' workstations, too, so I had an incentive to help fix it.) Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator Desk: 650/577-7158 TIE: 8/499-7158 Cell: 650/759-0823 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 9:44: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3B637B698; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:43:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28537; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:43:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001129104056.0496b420@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:43:29 -0700 To: Terry Lambert , msmith@FreeBSD.ORG (Mike Smith) From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Cc: nbasila@epcot.revenio.com (Nicholas Basila), jonas.bulow@servicefactory.se, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200011281757.KAA09532@usr08.primenet.com> References: <200011281658.eASGwoF25493@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:57 AM 11/28/2000, Terry Lambert wrote: ... >But I have to say that I'm not at all surprised about the Linux >"omission", or the phrasing of the statements about "Caldera >OpenLinux" and "Do not install a non-supported operating system". > >The lawyers have quite a different take: if you want to use GPL >code, or any other code with a source distribution requirement, >you are required to attend a "handling toxic waste that will >destroy your patent rights" class, before you are allowed to even >touch it. You also have to get "cleared" copies of the code from >internal IBM servers, so that IBM patents aren't infringed by you >using a newer version of the code. > >There is an 18 page presentation that most of the internal search >engines will point you to, when you are going through the exercise >of trying to find information internally. It boils down to "how >to double-glove before putting on your biohazard suit to enter a >class 5 hot zone containing live Ebola". When IBM acquired Whistle, it acquired a product that included, and in fact depended upon, GPLed code because FreeBSD does. How did it handle this situation? Is there any chance that IBM might be interested in helping to free the BSDs from the GPL? --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 9:48:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE7937B401 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:48:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22634; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:48:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17463; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:48:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14885.16754.561866.45663@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:48:34 -0700 (MST) To: David Wolfskill Cc: nate@yogotech.com, mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-Reply-To: <200011291742.eATHgab33616@pau-amma.whistle.com> References: <14885.15948.729037.110372@nomad.yogotech.com> <200011291742.eATHgab33616@pau-amma.whistle.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> So, while I don't know what IBM is doing with partition type 165, > >> I am convinced it is a key to the boot lock-up problem for the > >> T21 and A21P. Now boot0 has grown from 1 to 2 sectors in length, > >> maybe that's what "the story inside IBM" is trying to talk about - > >> I don't know. > > >Didn't Robert shrink it back to 1 sector after 4.1 was released? It > >would be interesting to know if the 'smaller' bootblock worked as well. > > No; jhb found that there was a bug in the boot0 code & fixed it. My > archived mail shows that most of the work occurred on 04 August. Hmm, the log message I'm reading says: date: 2000/10/02 17:30:22; author: rnordier; state: Exp; lines: +77 -151 Go back to occupying just a single sector, reverting r1.17 - r1.20. [SNIP This is the last commit made to the boot0 code for i386. Ahh, but this code didn't make it back into FreeBSD 4.X, so 4.2 *might* still be succeptible if this is a 2-sector boot0 bug. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 9:50:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.wmptl.com (mail2.wmptl.com [216.94.6.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E3737B402 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:50:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from wmptl.com ([10.0.0.168]) by mail2.wmptl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA38760; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:35:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from webmaster@wmptl.com) Message-ID: <3A25415D.C7E9B04F@wmptl.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:48:13 -0500 From: Nathan Vidican Reply-To: webmaster@wmptl.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bwoods2@uswest.net Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, brett@lariat.org Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org gaurdian gaurdian wrote: > > So what: > > 1) They have no obligation to support FreeBSD. > > 2) If you dont like it, dont buy their Laptops... > I for one, have no issues with them. > > 3) I have FreeBSD running fine on my Thinkpad 600E > and have had it there for the last year. > > >From: "Brett Glass" > >To: "Nicholas Basila" , " " > > > >CC: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, " " > > > >Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer > >Thinkpads > >Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:35:17 -0700 > > > >IBM's tactics are the old "bait and switch." They want users to > >move to AIX, not FreeBSD or Linux. Unfortunately, their PR people > >have pretended to jump on the Linux bandwagon in a big way, and > >this hurts the BSDs. > > > >--Brett > > > >At 09:21 AM 11/28/2000, Nicholas Basila wrote: > > > > >Hmmm, > > > > > > Well, I never liked their laptops, anyway. I'm surprised they don't > > >support RH Linux. I'm glad to know that they support all the lousy MS > > >operating systems ... > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Jonas Bulow [mailto:jonas.bulow@servicefactory.se] > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 9:32 AM > > >> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; freebsd-mobie@freebsd.org; > > >> freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > > >> Subject: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer > > >> Thinkpads > > >> > > >> > > >> http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4QHLS4.html > > >> > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message I too have a NEWER IBM Thinkpad, and was truly disapointed; not by the fact that IBM doesn't support FreeBSD - that part was assumed... but rather by the fact that IBM made the bios incompatable with any type 165 partitions on a disk. Thus rendering the newer (Thinkpad A20M-series; eg my 2428U) laptops incapable of running FreeBSD. When asked about some sort of bios patch to disable the suspend/resume function's usage of type 165; IBM just replies 'we don't support using freebsd on these machines; but we do now support using caldera's eDesktop 2.4 on them'. So I went with Slackware 7.1 just for the record. If anyone does find a way to run FreeBSD on something other than type 165 partitions I'd love to hear about it. -- Nathan Vidican webmaster@wmptl.com Windsor Match Plate & Tool Ltd. http://www.wmptl.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 9:56:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from sodium.cips.nokia.com (Sodium.cips.nokia.com [199.46.17.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5F537B401 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:56:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sodium.cips.nokia.com (localhost.network-alchemy.com [127.0.0.1]) by sodium.cips.nokia.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA88464; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:56:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from key@sodium.cips.nokia.com) Message-Id: <200011291756.JAA88464@sodium.cips.nokia.com> To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Cc: Ken Key , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG From: Ken Key Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:35:08 -0700. <14885.15948.729037.110372@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:56:04 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Didn't Robert shrink it back to 1 sector after 4.1 was released? It > would be interesting to know if the 'smaller' bootblock worked as well. I was using the v4.2 release ISO image (the one with the broken PC98). I got rather intimate with the boot0.s, boot1.s, boot2.s code last week when I tried changing the partition number to something else. I would almost swear that boot0 was still 1K, but I don't have it on hand to confirm that. I also got the hang after install from a v4.0 disk, which I believe is only 1 sector. I was brute forcing the combinations pretty hard. Please note, that using LILO as the MBR instead of boot0 still gave me this hang-at-the-BIOS-prompt issue, so I'm pretty confident it is independant of the size of boot0. I would love to be shown wrong, though. > (The box we're using is an A20, so it may be different from the A21 > problem..) Yup, we have a pair of T20's here that are happily running FreeBSD. They had some issues, but not this hard hang. I had this hang on T21 and A21P. I hope that I'll be able to test an X20 an A20P in the upcoming month, but the engineers that own those machines are rather hesitant considering what's been happening with the *21's. Regards, K^2 -- Ken Key (key@cips.nokia.com, key@Network-Alchemy.com) Nokia, Clustered IP Solutions, Santa Cruz, CA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 9:58:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C9937B402 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:58:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22813; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:58:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17532; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:58:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14885.17347.829870.189806@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:58:27 -0700 (MST) To: Ken Key Cc: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams), freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-Reply-To: <200011291756.JAA88464@sodium.cips.nokia.com> References: <14885.15948.729037.110372@nomad.yogotech.com> <200011291756.JAA88464@sodium.cips.nokia.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Didn't Robert shrink it back to 1 sector after 4.1 was released? It > > would be interesting to know if the 'smaller' bootblock worked as well. > > I was using the v4.2 release ISO image (the one with the broken PC98). > I got rather intimate with the boot0.s, boot1.s, boot2.s code last week > when I tried changing the partition number to something else. I would > almost swear that boot0 was still 1K, but I don't have it on hand to confirm > that. It is. I just verified that the change from 1K -> 512 was only made on the HEAD, and never back-ported to 4.X. > I also got the hang after install from a v4.0 disk, which I believe is > only 1 sector. I was brute forcing the combinations pretty hard. So, it still hung with a one-sector boot? That is different from my experience, so it may be we have a plethora of messups at IBM. :( :( > Please note, that using LILO as the MBR instead of boot0 still gave me > this hang-at-the-BIOS-prompt issue, so I'm pretty confident it is > independant of the size of boot0. I would love to be shown wrong, > though. Sounds like you've covered the bases. > > (The box we're using is an A20, so it may be different from the A21 > > problem..) > > Yup, we have a pair of T20's here that are happily running FreeBSD. They > had some issues, but not this hard hang. I had this hang on T21 and > A21P. I hope that I'll be able to test an X20 an A20P in the upcoming > month, but the engineers that own those machines are rather hesitant > considering what's been happening with the *21's. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 10:13: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A350E37B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28846; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:12:34 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001129110537.0498b6c0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:12:27 -0700 To: webmaster@wmptl.com, bwoods2@uswest.net From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3A25415D.C7E9B04F@wmptl.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org gaurdian gaurdian wrote: > > So what: > > 1) They have no obligation to support FreeBSD. Obligation? No. However, the market can and should punish vendors who sell hardware that's not compatible with industry standards and widely used software. > 2) If you dont like it, dont buy their Laptops... > I for one, have no issues with them. Don't worry; I won't buy an IBM laptop ever again. My 760E has had many, many problems -- including many that make it unusable even with Microsoft Windows. And I won't even get into how awful their service is if your laptop ever fails. > 3) I have FreeBSD running fine on my Thinkpad 600E > and have had it there for the last year. As I recall, the 600E's modem doesn't work with FreeBSD, and power management doesn't work. At 10:48 AM 11/29/2000, Nathan Vidican wrote: >I too have a NEWER IBM Thinkpad, and was truly disapointed; not by the >fact that IBM doesn't support FreeBSD - that part was assumed... but >rather by the fact that IBM made the bios incompatable with any type 165 >partitions on a disk. Thus rendering the newer (Thinkpad A20M-series; eg >my 2428U) laptops incapable of running FreeBSD. When asked about some >sort of bios patch to disable the suspend/resume function's usage of >type 165; IBM just replies 'we don't support using freebsd on these >machines; but we do now support using caldera's eDesktop 2.4 on them'. >So I went with Slackware 7.1 just for the record. If anyone does find a >way to run FreeBSD on something other than type 165 partitions I'd love >to hear about it. If the problem is purely the integer assigned as the partition type, why not patch the code to allow an alternate number? Also, do any of the other BSDs happen to use a different number? --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 10:14:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE0937B401 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eATIESh10355; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com( 207.76.205.64) by whistle.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010353; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:14:26 -0800 Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eATIEQ833818; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:14:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:14:26 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <200011291814.eATIEQ833818@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: nate@yogotech.com Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Cc: mobile@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <14885.16754.561866.45663@nomad.yogotech.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From: Nate Williams >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:48:34 -0700 (MST) >> >Didn't Robert shrink it back to 1 sector after 4.1 was released? It >> >would be interesting to know if the 'smaller' bootblock worked as well. >> No; jhb found that there was a bug in the boot0 code & fixed it. My >> archived mail shows that most of the work occurred on 04 August. >Hmm, the log message I'm reading says: > date: 2000/10/02 17:30:22; author: rnordier; state: Exp; lines: +77 -151 > Go back to occupying just a single sector, reverting r1.17 - r1.20. >[SNIP Right; I expressed myself poorly: what I meant by the above is that the thing that fixed the boot-hang (back in August) was not a change in the size of boot0, but jhb locating & fixing a bug. (I meant no slight to either jhb or rnordier; I hope that's clear.) >This is the last commit made to the boot0 code for i386. Ahh, but this >code didn't make it back into FreeBSD 4.X, so 4.2 *might* still be >succeptible if this is a 2-sector boot0 bug. True, though other evidence (in this thread) indicates that at least part of the problem occurs even if a single sector is all that is used. Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator Desk: 650/577-7158 TIE: 8/499-7158 Cell: 650/759-0823 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 10:30: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8172137B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eATITWJ23422; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:29:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011291829.eATITWJ23422@ptavv.es.net> To: Brett Glass Cc: webmaster@wmptl.com, bwoods2@uswest.net, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:12:27 MST." <4.3.2.7.2.20001129110537.0498b6c0@localhost> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:29:32 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:12:27 -0700 > From: Brett Glass > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG > > As I recall, the 600E's modem doesn't work with FreeBSD, and > power management doesn't work. Like every laptop I have ever used, the built-n modem is a Winmodem. But the problem is no worse with the 600E than with a Dell or Gateway with a built-in Winmodem. Power management works just fine on my 600E. The only real annoyance I have with the 600E is the sound. It seemingly randomly probes as pcm0 or pcm1. If it probes as pcm0, it works fine. If it probes as pcm1, it's dead. I hate computers with non-deterministic behavior! Other then that, I have always preferred ThinkPads because of the excellent keyboard (I'm very finicky about that), the TrackPoint (if I don't plug in an external mouse) and the 3-button "mouse". Fairly light, too. I started drooling over the new ThinkPads, but I won't touch them with a 10 foot pole as long as this problem persists. R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 10:36:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8873C37B401 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:36:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23474; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:36:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17731; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:36:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14885.19620.393768.576442@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:36:20 -0700 (MST) To: David Wolfskill Cc: nate@yogotech.com, mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-Reply-To: <200011291814.eATIEQ833818@pau-amma.whistle.com> References: <14885.16754.561866.45663@nomad.yogotech.com> <200011291814.eATIEQ833818@pau-amma.whistle.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> >Didn't Robert shrink it back to 1 sector after 4.1 was released? It > >> >would be interesting to know if the 'smaller' bootblock worked as well. > > >> No; jhb found that there was a bug in the boot0 code & fixed it. My > >> archived mail shows that most of the work occurred on 04 August. > > >Hmm, the log message I'm reading says: > > > date: 2000/10/02 17:30:22; author: rnordier; state: Exp; lines: +77 -151 > > Go back to occupying just a single sector, reverting r1.17 - r1.20. > >[SNIP > > Right; I expressed myself poorly: what I meant by the above is that the > thing that fixed the boot-hang (back in August) was not a change in the > size of boot0, but jhb locating & fixing a bug. (I meant no slight to > either jhb or rnordier; I hope that's clear.) > > >This is the last commit made to the boot0 code for i386. Ahh, but this > >code didn't make it back into FreeBSD 4.X, so 4.2 *might* still be > >succeptible if this is a 2-sector boot0 bug. > > True, though other evidence (in this thread) indicates that at least > part of the problem occurs even if a single sector is all that is used. Yep. And, it appears that with JHB's fix, the hang still occurs on the IBM's as well. :( Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 10:37:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mobile.wemm.org (adsl-64-163-195-99.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.163.195.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C670F37B400; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:37:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mobile.wemm.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eATIauD82288; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:36:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <200011291836.eATIauD82288@mobile.wemm.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: David Wolfskill Cc: nate@yogotech.com, mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, rnordier@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-Reply-To: <200011291814.eATIEQ833818@pau-amma.whistle.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:36:54 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Wolfskill wrote: > >From: Nate Williams > >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:48:34 -0700 (MST) > > >> >Didn't Robert shrink it back to 1 sector after 4.1 was released? It > >> >would be interesting to know if the 'smaller' bootblock worked as well. > > >> No; jhb found that there was a bug in the boot0 code & fixed it. My > >> archived mail shows that most of the work occurred on 04 August. > > >Hmm, the log message I'm reading says: > > > date: 2000/10/02 17:30:22; author: rnordier; state: Exp; lines: +77 -15 1 > > Go back to occupying just a single sector, reverting r1.17 - r1.20. > >[SNIP > > Right; I expressed myself poorly: what I meant by the above is that the > thing that fixed the boot-hang (back in August) was not a change in the > size of boot0, but jhb locating & fixing a bug. (I meant no slight to > either jhb or rnordier; I hope that's clear.) This has nothing to do with the problem at hand. We had a thinkpad something-20 belonging to a friend of a friend. The bios would lock up with *any* FreeBSD installed all the way back to 2.2.5. ie: 2.2.x, 3.x, 4,x and 5.x *ALL* didn't work. ie: bootblocks are not relevant. > > >This is the last commit made to the boot0 code for i386. Ahh, but this > >code didn't make it back into FreeBSD 4.X, so 4.2 *might* still be > >succeptible if this is a 2-sector boot0 bug. > > True, though other evidence (in this thread) indicates that at least > part of the problem occurs even if a single sector is all that is used. The bios locks up regardless of which bootblock are used.. 1k, 0.5k, old 3.x, or a.out 2.x bootblocks. It simply does not like the partitioning. Somebody else has suggested that the secret to making FreeBSD work on this laptop is to have windows set up on the first slice and part of the disk, and set up and *use* suspend-to-FAT32 *before* installing freebsd. However, if you do this, you windows partition must be less than 8GB as the 0.5k bootblocks are not able to boot from above-8G. ie: only 4.x is compatable. If rnordier backs this feature out of 4.x too, then 4.x will be broken as well because he has not replaced the functionality that he destroyed (ie: automatic above-8G support). Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 11:17:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CF337B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:17:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eATJHHQ67635; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:17:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA21668; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:17:16 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011291917.MAA21668@harmony.village.org> To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Cc: Ken Key , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:35:08 MST." <14885.15948.729037.110372@nomad.yogotech.com> References: <14885.15948.729037.110372@nomad.yogotech.com> <200011290551.eAT5pJF28047@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <200011291710.JAA88193@sodium.cips.nokia.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:17:16 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <14885.15948.729037.110372@nomad.yogotech.com> Nate Williams writes: : Didn't Robert shrink it back to 1 sector after 4.1 was released? It : would be interesting to know if the 'smaller' bootblock worked as well. Yes, he did. : (The box we're using is an A20, so it may be different from the A21 : problem..) Could be. FreeBSD has only been using the 165 partition type for about 9 years now. Maybe that's why they were confused. Also, does anybody know if dangerously dedicated works :-) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 11:20:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-177-187.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.177.187]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5132637B401 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:20:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eATJRZF30602; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:27:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011291927.eATJRZF30602@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:17:16 MST." <200011291917.MAA21668@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:27:35 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Also, does anybody know if dangerously dedicated works :-) Still uses an active type 165 partition. 8) -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 11:23:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D6A37B400; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:23:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eATJNNQ67684; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:23:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA21750; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:23:23 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011291923.MAA21750@harmony.village.org> To: Peter Wemm Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Cc: David Wolfskill , nate@yogotech.com, mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, rnordier@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:36:54 PST." <200011291836.eATIauD82288@mobile.wemm.org> References: <200011291836.eATIauD82288@mobile.wemm.org> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:23:23 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmmm. And I thought that my experiences with Sony were bad. :-) One way aroudn this issue is to use a different partition type and hack FreeSBD to cope. But I don't suppose that the folks at IBM would be pelased to learn that they had collided with a partition typed used for the past 9 years. Given my experiences with large companies in the past, I'd say that one of two things is going on: 1) The support department has no clue and since it doesn't work, they say it isn't supported. They haven't even told engineering about the problem. or 2) There's a BIOS engineer who is trying to save his job by blaming FreeBSD for his own fuck up. Or he has too much ego to admit that he's wrong. My money is on the prima donna. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 11:25:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26A737B699 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:25:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24310; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:23:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17986; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:23:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14885.22461.257641.814194@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:23:41 -0700 (MST) To: Brett Glass Cc: webmaster@wmptl.com, bwoods2@uswest.net, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001129110537.0498b6c0@localhost> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001129110537.0498b6c0@localhost> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > 3) I have FreeBSD running fine on my Thinkpad 600E > > and have had it there for the last year. > > As I recall, the 600E's modem doesn't work with FreeBSD, and > power management doesn't work. Power managements works fine. The DSP chip doesn't work with FreeBSD though. (And, for what it's worth, my 'external' modem is so much faster than the built-in DSP/modem that I wouldn't even consider using it under Windows in any case.) However, I *am* disappointed with IBM, and will making a stink with our IM folks at Nokia to see if they can make a stink with IBM about this issue. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 11:25:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65A237B699; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:25:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eATJPdQ67710; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:25:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA21813; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:25:39 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011291925.MAA21813@harmony.village.org> To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:27:35 PST." <200011291927.eATJRZF30602@mass.osd.bsdi.com> References: <200011291927.eATJRZF30602@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:25:39 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200011291927.eATJRZF30602@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Mike Smith writes: : > : > Also, does anybody know if dangerously dedicated works :-) : : Still uses an active type 165 partition. 8) So what happens if you have two 165 partitions? Eg, have a dummy one that's 1M or M in size that has no FreeBSD disk label on it and comes before the real FreeBSD partition... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 11:26:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227FD37B698 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:26:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24371; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:26:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18025; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:26:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14885.22612.653862.74440@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:26:12 -0700 (MST) To: "Kevin Oberman" Cc: Brett Glass , webmaster@wmptl.com, bwoods2@uswest.net, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-Reply-To: <200011291829.eATITWJ23422@ptavv.es.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001129110537.0498b6c0@localhost> <200011291829.eATITWJ23422@ptavv.es.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > As I recall, the 600E's modem doesn't work with FreeBSD, and > > power management doesn't work. > > Like every laptop I have ever used, the built-n modem is a > Winmodem. But the problem is no worse with the 600E than with a Dell > or Gateway with a built-in Winmodem. > > Power management works just fine on my 600E. > > The only real annoyance I have with the 600E is the sound. It > seemingly randomly probes as pcm0 or pcm1. If it probes as pcm0, it > works fine. If it probes as pcm1, it's dead. I hate computers with > non-deterministic behavior! I don't have that problem, but I'm still running FreeBSD 2.2.8 on mine. :) (The 3.X series had truly messed up laptop support, as it took some time for my handoff of the maintenance to Warner, but he's done an awesome job with 4.X. I just haven't had the time or inclination to upgrade, since everything works fine right for what I'm using it for.) > Other then that, I have always preferred ThinkPads because of the > excellent keyboard (I'm very finicky about that), the TrackPoint (if I > don't plug in an external mouse) and the 3-button "mouse". Fairly > light, too. My reasons as well. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 11:28:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA99C37B6B5 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:28:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eATJSFQ67722; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:28:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA21846; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:28:14 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011291928.MAA21846@harmony.village.org> To: Matthias Saou Subject: Re: Problem with a Xircom ethernet card Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:01:20 +0100." <3A24C5E0.B6AEBD78@accelance.fr> References: <3A24C5E0.B6AEBD78@accelance.fr> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:28:14 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <3A24C5E0.B6AEBD78@accelance.fr> Matthias Saou writes: : At boot time, the pccard/cardbus is found (pcipc0 and pcipc1 if I recall : well) and the pccardd started. What I get is a message saying it can't : find anything corresponding to "(null)"("(null)") in the pccard.conf : file after displaying two messages "card inserted in slot 0" on the : console. : I really don't have a clue of what's happening. I suppose the problem is : earlier than the pccard.conf file, so there's nothing much to do there : (I tried "irq 10" and other stuff just in case...). null/null can often mean a conflict. Usually this conflict is the memory used to read the CIS. : I installed a 4.1.1-RELEASE on the same computer before, I never got : that card working (I didn't try very long...), but the pccardd message : was giving my card's full name (Xircom CreditCard etc.). Browsing the : list archives, I found that "xe" support was broken in 4.0-RELEASE and : fixed after, is it the case again? I suppose not, and that I'm the one : doing something wrong :-( xe should likely work for this card once you get pccardd recognizing the card. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 11:29:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E930037B402 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:29:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eATJTsQ67735; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:29:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA21873; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:29:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011291929.MAA21873@harmony.village.org> To: michael Subject: Re: About D-Link DFE-650. Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 26 Nov 2000 02:08:34 +0800." References: Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:29:53 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message michael writes: : My card is stated to be "Rev D1", which is not : supported by Japanese FreeBSD group's PAO package. : (But other DFE-650s can work!! why????) Others have commented on the fix. The reason that the older DFE-650's work (I have one) is that they used a slightly different chipset. One that doesn't have a mii on it. The ed driver needs a lot of things done to it, one of which is the ability to talk to a miibus when present. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 11:35:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-177-187.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.177.187]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C810837B401 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:35:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eATJgVF30682; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:42:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011291942.eATJgVF30682@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:25:39 MST." <200011291925.MAA21813@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:42:31 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > In message <200011291927.eATJRZF30602@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Mike Smith writes: > : > > : > Also, does anybody know if dangerously dedicated works :-) > : > : Still uses an active type 165 partition. 8) > > So what happens if you have two 165 partitions? Eg, have a dummy one > that's 1M or M in size that has no FreeBSD disk > label on it and comes before the real FreeBSD partition... No idea, yet. The FreeBSD bootstrap might not be happy with that, although if the second one was active, it ought to work. I have a chance to play with one of the offending systems tonight; I'm going to try as many experiments as I can. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 11:47: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mercure.accelance.net (mercure.accelance.net [212.155.217.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F10337B401 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:47:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from accelance.fr (guardian.accelance.net [212.155.217.253]) by mercure.accelance.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27946; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:46:52 +0100 Message-ID: <3A255D28.3AD206B0@accelance.fr> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:46:48 +0100 From: Matthias Saou X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-marmotte i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with a Xircom ethernet card References: <3A24C5E0.B6AEBD78@accelance.fr> <200011291928.MAA21846@harmony.village.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Warner Losh wrote: > > In message <3A24C5E0.B6AEBD78@accelance.fr> Matthias Saou writes: > : At boot time, the pccard/cardbus is found (pcipc0 and pcipc1 if I recall > : well) and the pccardd started. What I get is a message saying it can't > : find anything corresponding to "(null)"("(null)") in the pccard.conf > : file after displaying two messages "card inserted in slot 0" on the > : console. > : I really don't have a clue of what's happening. I suppose the problem is > : earlier than the pccard.conf file, so there's nothing much to do there > : (I tried "irq 10" and other stuff just in case...). > > null/null can often mean a conflict. Usually this conflict is the > memory used to read the CIS. And what should I do now?... Is there a way of forcing something somewhere... where should I look : The kernel config? The pccard.conf files? I still need help, I couldn't find anything anywhere, except in japanese :-( > xe should likely work for this card once you get pccardd recognizing > the card. I hope so! -- Matthias Saou matthias@accelance.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 11:50:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9121C37B402 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:50:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@dhcp246.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.246]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eATJo4C29974; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:50:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14885.15948.729037.110372@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:50:21 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer T Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org, Ken Key Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 29-Nov-00 Nate Williams wrote: >> I spent most of last week repeatedly converting an A21P and a T21 into >> wortless bricks and back, trying to find a way to get FreeBSD running on >> them. I distilled the death point to: >> >> - Do the install (I've used both boot0 and LILO, doesn't matter), it's >> a brick - won't even get into the BIOS menu. >> - Pull drive out and boot on my 600X. Fire up fdisk and change it from 165 >> to something else. Do not touch MBR or anything else. >> - Put drive back in (A21P and T21) and I can now get into the BIOS screens >> or actually boot via boot0 or LILO into Win2K. >> - Put drive back in 600x, change back to 165, back in *21 >> - It is a brick. >> >> So, while I don't know what IBM is doing with partition type 165, >> I am convinced it is a key to the boot lock-up problem for the >> T21 and A21P. Now boot0 has grown from 1 to 2 sectors in length, >> maybe that's what "the story inside IBM" is trying to talk about - >> I don't know. > > Didn't Robert shrink it back to 1 sector after 4.1 was released? It > would be interesting to know if the 'smaller' bootblock worked as well. Only in current, but for hte BIOS to hang, boot0 is not an issue, as boot0 isn't even being loaded or run. > (The box we're using is an A20, so it may be different from the A21 > problem..) > > > > Nate -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 11:56: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from isds.duke.edu (davinci.isds.duke.edu [152.3.22.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96C937B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:55:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from feta.isds.duke.edu (feta.isds.duke.edu [152.3.22.76]) by isds.duke.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA17582; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:55:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from sto@localhost) by feta.isds.duke.edu (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eATJtvc52138; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:55:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sto) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:55:57 -0500 From: "Sean O'Connell" To: Matthias Saou Cc: FreeBSD mobile Subject: Re: Problem with a Xircom ethernet card Message-ID: <20001129145557.Q51569@stat.Duke.EDU> Reply-To: "Sean O'Connell" Mail-Followup-To: Sean O'Connell , Matthias Saou , FreeBSD mobile References: <3A24C5E0.B6AEBD78@accelance.fr> <200011291928.MAA21846@harmony.village.org> <3A255D28.3AD206B0@accelance.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A255D28.3AD206B0@accelance.fr>; from matthias@accelance.fr on Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 08:46:48PM +0100 X-Organization: Institute of Statistics and Decision Sciences Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthias Saou stated: : Warner Losh wrote: : > : > In message <3A24C5E0.B6AEBD78@accelance.fr> Matthias Saou writes: : > : At boot time, the pccard/cardbus is found (pcipc0 and pcipc1 if I recall : > : well) and the pccardd started. What I get is a message saying it can't : > : find anything corresponding to "(null)"("(null)") in the pccard.conf : > : file after displaying two messages "card inserted in slot 0" on the : > : console. : > : I really don't have a clue of what's happening. I suppose the problem is : > : earlier than the pccard.conf file, so there's nothing much to do there : > : (I tried "irq 10" and other stuff just in case...). : > : > null/null can often mean a conflict. Usually this conflict is the : > memory used to read the CIS. : : And what should I do now?... Is there a way of forcing something : somewhere... where should I look : The kernel config? The pccard.conf : files? I still need help, I couldn't find anything anywhere, except in : japanese :-( : : > xe should likely work for this card once you get pccardd recognizing : > the card. : : I hope so! matthias- You should try setting the pccard_mem value in /etc/rc.conf and changing it from DEFAULT (which is 0xd0000) to something like 0xd8000 or 0xdc000. This has been known to help with laptops with vid cards and lots of video ram (esp. ATI Rage derivatives) .. not sure if this applies. There also exists a Xircom list for FreeBSD, but the URL for the subscription/archives escapes me. S ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Sean O'Connell Email: sean@stat.Duke.EDU Institute of Statistics and Decision Sciences Phone: (919) 684-5419 Duke University Fax: (919) 684-8594 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 12:46:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from nordier.com (c2-dbn-30.dial-up.net [196.34.155.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF1FC37B400; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:46:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by nordier.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eATKka007392; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:46:36 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from rnordier) From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <200011292046.eATKka007392@nordier.com> Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads To: msmith@freebsd.org (Mike Smith) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:46:35 +0200 (SAST) Cc: imp@village.org (Warner Losh), freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200011291942.eATJgVF30682@mass.osd.bsdi.com> from "Mike Smith" at Nov 29, 2000 11:42:31 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith wrote: > > In message <200011291927.eATJRZF30602@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Mike Smith writes: > > : > > > : > Also, does anybody know if dangerously dedicated works :-) > > : > > : Still uses an active type 165 partition. 8) > > > > So what happens if you have two 165 partitions? Eg, have a dummy one > > that's 1M or M in size that has no FreeBSD disk > > label on it and comes before the real FreeBSD partition... > > No idea, yet. The FreeBSD bootstrap might not be happy with that, > although if the second one was active, it ought to work. > > I have a chance to play with one of the offending systems tonight; I'm > going to try as many experiments as I can. As far as boot2 is concerned, multiple FreeBSD partitions are fine. It will select the active partition (as flagged by the boot manager) if one exists, otherwise the first partition. So a possible workaround might involve having FreeBSD in a second type 165 partition. On a related topic (just to add my voice to other clarifications), FreeBSD 4.2 is still using John's two-sector version of boot0, but that almost certainly has nothing to do with what's going wrong on Thinkpads. -- Robert Nordier rnordier@nordier.com rnordier@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 13:18:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from sodium.cips.nokia.com (Sodium.cips.nokia.com [199.46.17.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2D537B402; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:18:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sodium.cips.nokia.com (localhost.network-alchemy.com [127.0.0.1]) by sodium.cips.nokia.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA89158; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:18:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from key@sodium.cips.nokia.com) Message-Id: <200011292118.NAA89158@sodium.cips.nokia.com> To: Mike Smith Cc: Warner Losh , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG From: Ken Key Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:27:35 -0800. <200011291927.eATJRZF30602@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:18:04 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yup, I tried it during my testing last week "just to be sure" - brick on an A21P. Didn't even bother to try on the T21. Regards, K^2 > > Also, does anybody know if dangerously dedicated works :-) > > Still uses an active type 165 partition. 8) > -- > ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his > rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want > to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force > people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message -- Ken Key (key@cips.nokia.com, key@Network-Alchemy.com) Nokia, Clustered IP Solutions, Santa Cruz, CA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 13:19:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1FDB37B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:19:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eATLJ8J24355; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:19:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200011292119.eATLJ8J24355@ptavv.es.net> To: "Sean O'Connell" Cc: Matthias Saou , FreeBSD mobile Subject: Re: Problem with a Xircom ethernet card In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:55:57 EST." <20001129145557.Q51569@stat.Duke.EDU> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:19:08 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:55:57 -0500 > From: "Sean O'Connell" > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG > > There also exists a Xircom list for FreeBSD, but the URL > for the subscription/archives escapes me. freebsd-xircom@lovett.com. It's majordomo, so send queries and subscription requests to majordomo@lovett.com. R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 13:35:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083F837B400; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:35:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eATLZM527082; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:35:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Message-Id: <200011292135.eATLZM527082@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Robert Nordier Cc: msmith@FreeBSD.ORG (Mike Smith), imp@village.org (Warner Losh), freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Image-URL: http://www.transsys.com/louie/images/louie-mail.jpg From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads References: <200011292046.eATKka007392@nordier.com> In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:46:35 +0200." <200011292046.eATKka007392@nordier.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:35:22 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On a related topic (just to add my voice to other clarifications), > FreeBSD 4.2 is still using John's two-sector version of boot0, but > that almost certainly has nothing to do with what's going wrong on > Thinkpads Just FYI, but when I upgraded an old 3.0-current system to 4.1 on an old DEC Celebrus 6150 (150MHz PPro), the 2 sector boot0 caused booting problems. Based on this discussion, I went back to using the standard MBR (via /sbin/fdisk -B da0) and booting is working again. The work-around I was using was booting from a floppy. While this is hardly a modern peice of er, hardware, I hope that the datapoint might help. louie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 14: 1:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C1737B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:01:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A2C4257398; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:01:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:01:30 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Nokia Cardphone Message-ID: <20001129160130.A10788@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" Mail-Followup-To: "Michael C . Wu" , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am wondering if anyone has used this Nokai product before. Will this work? If I buy it and lend it to someone, would someone be willing to try to make it work? http://www.nokia.com/phones/cardphone2_0/index.html http://www.nokia.com/phones/cardphone2_0/specifications.html A search on google/bsd turned out only two links of the same thread on netbsd. -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 14:14:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0643F37B400; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:14:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eATMD3v52788; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:43:03 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:43:03 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith Cc: Warner Losh , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Message-ID: <20001130084303.I48277@echunga.lemis.com> References: <200011291925.MAA21813@harmony.village.org> <200011291942.eATJgVF30682@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011291942.eATJgVF30682@mass.osd.bsdi.com>; from msmith@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 11:42:31AM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 29 November 2000 at 11:42:31 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >> In message <200011291927.eATJRZF30602@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Mike Smith writes: >>>> >>>> Also, does anybody know if dangerously dedicated works :-) >>> >>> Still uses an active type 165 partition. 8) >> >> So what happens if you have two 165 partitions? Eg, have a dummy one >> that's 1M or M in size that has no FreeBSD disk >> label on it and comes before the real FreeBSD partition... > > No idea, yet. The FreeBSD bootstrap might not be happy with that, > although if the second one was active, it ought to work. If you use the boot manager, you can have as many type 165 slices as will fit in the partition table. That shouldn't be a problem. > I have a chance to play with one of the offending systems tonight; > I'm going to try as many experiments as I can. It would be interesting to see whether the BIOS gets as far as the floppy and CD-ROM drives, and if so whether you can boot from them. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 14:26: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C71837B402 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:23:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eATMHfT52856; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:47:41 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:47:40 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Nate Williams Cc: FreeBSD mobile Mailing List Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Message-ID: <20001130084740.K48277@echunga.lemis.com> References: <3A23D5BD.5CF72F4F@dccnet.com> <200011281624.eASGOdF25354@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <14885.15275.584459.919834@nomad.yogotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <14885.15275.584459.919834@nomad.yogotech.com>; from nate@yogotech.com on Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 10:23:55AM -0700 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 29 November 2000 at 10:23:55 -0700, Nate Williams wrote: >>>> FreeBSD - Unable to boot OS after installation on >>>> IBM Thinkpad A20, A21, T20, T21, or X20. >>> >>> Question: Does IBM reserve space on the HDD of their laptops for system BIOS >>> that would cause such a problem in the event of a dedicated installation? >> >> No. Some fool at IBM (or whomever they contracted the BIOS development >> out to) decided to use partition ID 165 for the suspend-to-disk >> partition, and the IBM BIOS gets very, very upset when it finds what it >> thinks is an enormous suspend-to-disk partition on the disk. > > I'm pretty sure that's not the case. In fact, I'm almost positive > that's not the case, as we have a number of FreeBSD machines running on > these boxes. > > However, what *is* happening is that the boot-blocks are too big (this > was the case in 4.1, and was fixed in 4.2, something about using up > 2-sectors or somesuch) which causes the IBM BIOS to barf on it for some > reason. > > If you install older/newer bootlblocks, it works fine. Unfortunately, > these boxes became popular around the time that FreeBSD 4.1 was > released, so anyone that attempted to install with it made their > computers unable to recognize the disks. > > It's really a 'BIOS' problem, since if you use older (smaller) > bootblocks and the partition of 165, it works fine. Have you tried it? The experiences of those who have disagrees completely with this statement. Look in particular at the reports of Ken Key's experiments. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 14:27: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E91F37B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:27:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27390; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:26:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18903; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:26:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14885.33446.81161.292998@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:26:46 -0700 (MST) To: Greg Lehey Cc: Nate Williams , FreeBSD mobile Mailing List Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-Reply-To: <20001130084740.K48277@echunga.lemis.com> References: <3A23D5BD.5CF72F4F@dccnet.com> <200011281624.eASGOdF25354@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <14885.15275.584459.919834@nomad.yogotech.com> <20001130084740.K48277@echunga.lemis.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >>>> FreeBSD - Unable to boot OS after installation on > >>>> IBM Thinkpad A20, A21, T20, T21, or X20. > >>> > >>> Question: Does IBM reserve space on the HDD of their laptops for system BIOS > >>> that would cause such a problem in the event of a dedicated installation? > >> > >> No. Some fool at IBM (or whomever they contracted the BIOS development > >> out to) decided to use partition ID 165 for the suspend-to-disk > >> partition, and the IBM BIOS gets very, very upset when it finds what it > >> thinks is an enormous suspend-to-disk partition on the disk. > > > > I'm pretty sure that's not the case. In fact, I'm almost positive > > that's not the case, as we have a number of FreeBSD machines running on > > these boxes. > > > > However, what *is* happening is that the boot-blocks are too big (this > > was the case in 4.1, and was fixed in 4.2, something about using up > > 2-sectors or somesuch) which causes the IBM BIOS to barf on it for some > > reason. > > > > If you install older/newer bootlblocks, it works fine. Unfortunately, > > these boxes became popular around the time that FreeBSD 4.1 was > > released, so anyone that attempted to install with it made their > > computers unable to recognize the disks. > > > > It's really a 'BIOS' problem, since if you use older (smaller) > > bootblocks and the partition of 165, it works fine. > > Have you tried it? Yep. However, we did have a WinXX partition on the front of the disk, and it may have been due to other factors, since as re-writing the MBR, as well as the partition table. In recovering the laptop, we did a number of things, and I assumed (it seems wrongly) that it was related to the boot0 size. The user wasn't interested in testing, and just wanted a working laptop. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 14:29: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F193237B400; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:28:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27427; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:28:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18925; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:28:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14885.33573.918003.590753@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:28:53 -0700 (MST) To: Greg Lehey Cc: Mike Smith , Warner Losh , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-Reply-To: <20001130084303.I48277@echunga.lemis.com> References: <200011291925.MAA21813@harmony.village.org> <200011291942.eATJgVF30682@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <20001130084303.I48277@echunga.lemis.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >>>> Also, does anybody know if dangerously dedicated works :-) > >>> > >>> Still uses an active type 165 partition. 8) > >> > >> So what happens if you have two 165 partitions? Eg, have a dummy one > >> that's 1M or M in size that has no FreeBSD disk > >> label on it and comes before the real FreeBSD partition... > > > > No idea, yet. The FreeBSD bootstrap might not be happy with that, > > although if the second one was active, it ought to work. > > If you use the boot manager, you can have as many type 165 slices as > will fit in the partition table. That shouldn't be a problem. > > > I have a chance to play with one of the offending systems tonight; > > I'm going to try as many experiments as I can. > > It would be interesting to see whether the BIOS gets as far as the > floppy and CD-ROM drives, and if so whether you can boot from them. If you remove the hard-disk, yes. Otherwise, it's completely dead! Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 14:32:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from nordier.com (c3-dbn-62.dial-up.net [196.33.200.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D6137B400; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:32:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by nordier.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eATMWtY08834; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:32:55 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from rnordier) From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <200011292232.eATMWtY08834@nordier.com> Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads To: louie@TransSys.COM (Louis A. Mamakos) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:32:54 +0200 (SAST) Cc: msmith@FreeBSD.ORG (Mike Smith), imp@village.org (Warner Losh), freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200011292135.eATLZM527082@whizzo.transsys.com> from "Louis A. Mamakos" at Nov 29, 2000 04:35:22 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Louis A. Mamakos wrote: > > > > On a related topic (just to add my voice to other clarifications), > > FreeBSD 4.2 is still using John's two-sector version of boot0, but > > that almost certainly has nothing to do with what's going wrong on > > Thinkpads > > Just FYI, but when I upgraded an old 3.0-current system to 4.1 on an old > DEC Celebrus 6150 (150MHz PPro), the 2 sector boot0 caused booting > problems. Based on this discussion, I went back to using the standard > MBR (via /sbin/fdisk -B da0) and booting is working again. > > The work-around I was using was booting from a floppy. > > While this is hardly a modern peice of er, hardware, I hope that the > datapoint might help. Useful to know, thanks. -- Robert Nordier rnordier@nordier.com rnordier@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 14:40:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD2F37B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:40:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eATMZuH53196; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:05:56 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:05:55 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: NetBSD-users@NetBSD.org, misc@OpenBSD.org Cc: FreeBSD mobile Mailing List Subject: Problems running NetBSD or OpenBSD on newer IBM laptops? Message-ID: <20001130090555.A53001@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In the last couple of days we've been having a discussion in the FreeBSD mobile list about a bug in newer IBM laptops. See http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4QHLS4.html for more details. Basically, it seems that the IBM BIOS uses partition type 165 for its own purposes, and goes crazy if it doesn't find what it wants in it: ----- Forwarded message from Ken Key ----- > I spent most of last week repeatedly converting an A21P and a T21 into > wortless bricks and back, trying to find a way to get FreeBSD running on > them. I distilled the death point to: > > - Do the install (I've used both boot0 and LILO, doesn't matter), it's > a brick - won't even get into the BIOS menu. > - Pull drive out and boot on my 600X. Fire up fdisk and change it from 165 > to something else. Do not touch MBR or anything else. > - Put drive back in (A21P and T21) and I can now get into the BIOS screens > or actually boot via boot0 or LILO into Win2K. > - Put drive back in 600x, change back to 165, back in *21 > - It is a brick. > > So, while I don't know what IBM is doing with partition type 165, > I am convinced it is a key to the boot lock-up problem for the > T21 and A21P. Now boot0 has grown from 1 to 2 sectors in length, > maybe that's what "the story inside IBM" is trying to talk about - > I don't know. However, the above pattern was reproduced with LILO, > independant of boot0, so I really don't think boot0 is related to > the problem. > > We have a couple of T20s' running FreeBSD, so this particular behavior > seems to be related to changes for the *21 models. The T20 guys are > never going to "upgrade" their BIOS after this mess. If this analysis is correct, there should be no problems running NetBSD or OpenBSD on these machines, since they use different partition numbers. Can anybody confirm or deny? Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 14:42:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mail.vaasje.org (node10627.a2000.nl [24.132.6.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9F337B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:42:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.vaasje.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 153F57809; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:38:24 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:38:23 +0100 From: Frank van der Linden To: Greg Lehey Cc: NetBSD-users@NetBSD.org, misc@OpenBSD.org, FreeBSD mobile Mailing List Subject: Re: Problems running NetBSD or OpenBSD on newer IBM laptops? Message-ID: <20001129233823.A4620@vaasje.org> References: <20001130090555.A53001@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.2i In-Reply-To: <20001130090555.A53001@echunga.lemis.com>; from grog@lemis.com on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:05:55AM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:05:55AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > In the last couple of days we've been having a discussion in the > FreeBSD mobile list about a bug in newer IBM laptops. See > http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4QHLS4.html for more details. > Basically, it seems that the IBM BIOS uses partition type 165 for its > own purposes, and goes crazy if it doesn't find what it wants in it: If type 165 is the problem, then NetBSD will certainly not have that problem, since it uses 169 these days. - Frank To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 14:43:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from oden.exmandato.se (oden.exmandato.se [192.71.33.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7714737B400; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:43:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from servicefactory.se (root@oden.exmandato.se [192.71.33.1]) by oden.exmandato.se (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA19071; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:43:01 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3A258673.15DD08A1@servicefactory.se> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:42:59 +0100 From: Jonas Bulow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: Mike Smith , Warner Losh , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads References: <200011291925.MAA21813@harmony.village.org> <200011291942.eATJgVF30682@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <20001130084303.I48277@echunga.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey wrote: > > > I have a chance to play with one of the offending systems tonight; > > I'm going to try as many experiments as I can. > > It would be interesting to see whether the BIOS gets as far as the > floppy and CD-ROM drives, and if so whether you can boot from them. No, you can't boot from any media if you have a partition of type of a5 on the primary disk. I installed freebsd 4.1 (and 4.2) on a secondary disk (in the CD-slot using an adapter) and then it works fine. I was using Partition Magics boot menu. (I installed it when the secondary drive was in the primary drive's slot. Then I inserted a a5-free drive into the primary slot and the a5-infected drive in the secondary slot. boot -s, rewrite fstab, and then the brick became a computer again.) On the followinf link one can read that partition type a0 is reported as "Laptop hibernation partition", even by IBM Thinkpads. Is there an "IANA" for partition types? http://www.win.tue.nl/math/dw/personalpages/aeb/linux/partitions/partition_types-1.html I wonder how long it will take for IBM to fix an problem like this. It is not a question about supporting FreeBSD, it's just a question about following very old standards, IMHO. /j (on a TP 600X, the last model accepting FreeBSD :-) ) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 14:45:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0295C37B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:45:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eATMNp652928; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:53:51 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:53:51 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Brett Glass Cc: webmaster@wmptl.com, bwoods2@uswest.net, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Message-ID: <20001130085351.L48277@echunga.lemis.com> References: <3A25415D.C7E9B04F@wmptl.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20001129110537.0498b6c0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001129110537.0498b6c0@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 11:12:27AM -0700 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 29 November 2000 at 11:12:27 -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > At 10:48 AM 11/29/2000, Nathan Vidican wrote: >> I too have a NEWER IBM Thinkpad, and was truly disapointed; not by the >> fact that IBM doesn't support FreeBSD - that part was assumed... but >> rather by the fact that IBM made the bios incompatable with any type 165 >> partitions on a disk. Thus rendering the newer (Thinkpad A20M-series; eg >> my 2428U) laptops incapable of running FreeBSD. When asked about some >> sort of bios patch to disable the suspend/resume function's usage of >> type 165; IBM just replies 'we don't support using freebsd on these >> machines; but we do now support using caldera's eDesktop 2.4 on them'. >> So I went with Slackware 7.1 just for the record. If anyone does find a >> way to run FreeBSD on something other than type 165 partitions I'd love >> to hear about it. > > If the problem is purely the integer assigned as the partition type, > why not patch the code to allow an alternate number? Well, it's a support nightmare, but that seems to be the thing to do. > Also, do any of the other BSDs happen to use a different number? Yes, they all do. NetBSD uses 169, OpenBSD uses 166. I'm going to send a message to both groups. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 14:47:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CCC337B401 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:47:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02228; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:46:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001129154312.045da6d0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:46:41 -0700 To: Greg Lehey From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Cc: webmaster@wmptl.com, bwoods2@uswest.net, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20001130085351.L48277@echunga.lemis.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001129110537.0498b6c0@localhost> <3A25415D.C7E9B04F@wmptl.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20001129110537.0498b6c0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:23 PM 11/29/2000, Greg Lehey wrote: >> If the problem is purely the integer assigned as the partition type, >> why not patch the code to allow an alternate number? > >Well, it's a support nightmare, but that seems to be the thing to do. > >> Also, do any of the other BSDs happen to use a different number? > >Yes, they all do. NetBSD uses 169, OpenBSD uses 166. I'm going to >send a message to both groups. Agreed; this is one area where solidarity can help. A manufacturer would likely think twice before ticking off ALL of the BSDs (including BSD/OS). --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 14:47:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (dhcp244.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367C237B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:47:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eATMtpF00992; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:55:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011292255.eATMtpF00992@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Greg Lehey Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:43:03 +1030." <20001130084303.I48277@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:55:51 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> So what happens if you have two 165 partitions? Eg, have a dummy one > >> that's 1M or M in size that has no FreeBSD disk > >> label on it and comes before the real FreeBSD partition... > > > > No idea, yet. The FreeBSD bootstrap might not be happy with that, > > although if the second one was active, it ought to work. > > If you use the boot manager, you can have as many type 165 slices as > will fit in the partition table. That shouldn't be a problem. That was never the issue; Robert Nordier has confirmed that it'll be OK without the active flag though. > > I have a chance to play with one of the offending systems tonight; > > I'm going to try as many experiments as I can. > > It would be interesting to see whether the BIOS gets as far as the > floppy and CD-ROM drives, and if so whether you can boot from them. If you had been paying attention, you'd have seen (about half a dozen times) that it doesn't. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 15: 5:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from riffraff.plig.net (riffraff.plig.net [195.40.6.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D77037B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:05:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by riffraff.plig.net (Postfix, from userid 1005) id 11BA547B5D; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:05:41 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:05:41 +0000 From: Russell Vincent To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Message-ID: <20001129230540.A22999@riffraff.plig.net> References: <200011291925.MAA21813@harmony.village.org> <200011291942.eATJgVF30682@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <20001130084303.I48277@echunga.lemis.com> <3A258673.15DD08A1@servicefactory.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A258673.15DD08A1@servicefactory.se>; from jonas.bulow@servicefactory.se on Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 11:42:59PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 11:42:59PM +0100, Jonas Bulow wrote: > I wonder how long it will take for IBM to fix an problem like this. It > is not a question about supporting FreeBSD, it's just a question about > following very old standards, IMHO. Assuming it is a partition 165 problem, maybe it is better to tackle it with IBM without mentioning FreeBSD. Just tell the support person that there is a problem when you set a partition type to 165, which is what you are using for a special research project. I bet this gets passed on to the engineering/development people a lot quicker. Once you get someone with a clue, you can mention that 165 is reserved for FreeBSD. -Russell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 15:29:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A58537B400; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:29:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eATNSBd53685; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:58:11 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:58:09 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Message-ID: <20001130095809.N48277@echunga.lemis.com> References: <20001130084303.I48277@echunga.lemis.com> <200011292255.eATMtpF00992@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011292255.eATMtpF00992@mass.osd.bsdi.com>; from msmith@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 02:55:51PM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 29 November 2000 at 14:55:51 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >>>> So what happens if you have two 165 partitions? Eg, have a dummy one >>>> that's 1M or M in size that has no FreeBSD disk >>>> label on it and comes before the real FreeBSD partition... >>> >>> No idea, yet. The FreeBSD bootstrap might not be happy with that, >>> although if the second one was active, it ought to work. >> >> If you use the boot manager, you can have as many type 165 slices as >> will fit in the partition table. That shouldn't be a problem. > > That was never the issue; Robert Nordier has confirmed that it'll be OK > without the active flag though. It sounds like that was the issue for you. What were you trying to say? >>> I have a chance to play with one of the offending systems tonight; >>> I'm going to try as many experiments as I can. >> >> It would be interesting to see whether the BIOS gets as far as the >> floppy and CD-ROM drives, and if so whether you can boot from them. > > If you had been paying attention, you'd have seen (about half a dozen > times) that it doesn't. I've been paying attention. But I don't believe everything everybody says. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 15:31:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (dhcp244.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410E837B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eATNdoF01406; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:39:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011292339.eATNdoF01406@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Greg Lehey Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:58:09 +1030." <20001130095809.N48277@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:39:50 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> It would be interesting to see whether the BIOS gets as far as the > >> floppy and CD-ROM drives, and if so whether you can boot from them. > > > > If you had been paying attention, you'd have seen (about half a dozen > > times) that it doesn't. > > I've been paying attention. But I don't believe everything everybody > says. You just need to believe the people that have actually been doing the work. It's not too hard to keep track of them. 8) -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 16:25:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37FDA37B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:25:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 39EEF5739C; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:25:43 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:25:43 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: IrDA? Need specification on VAIO z505js IrDA, etc. Message-ID: <20001129182543.A11799@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" Mail-Followup-To: "Michael C . Wu" , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hello everyone, I talked to Benno Rice about getting proper IrDA support on FreeBSD. We agreed that IrDA is a big mess and netgraph would be the best solution. However, I'm having trouble finding out what IrDA controller my laptop has. Benno mentioned that his IrDA appears as a sio* device, but it does not appear so on mine. www.sony.com/google/dogfetch produced no results. pnpinfo shows nothing. pciconf showed several sony/intel pci id's that were not very useful. Perhaps someone can shed some light on what IrDA chipset the VAIO z505js superslim uses. :) Win2k reports the driver to have been provided by National Semiconductors, but does not report the chip. Attached is the relevant parts of my verbose dmesg. IRQ 11, 0x3e8 is what the IrDA device is. -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="dmesg.txt" 0x00001000 - 0x0009efff, 647168 bytes (158 pages) 0x004b8000 - 0x0ffe7fff, 263389184 bytes (64304 pages) avail memory = 254885888 (248912K bytes) bios32: Found BIOS32 Service Directory header at 0xc00f6c20 bios32: Entry = 0xfd890 (c00fd890) Rev = 0 Len = 1 pcibios: PCI BIOS entry at 0xfd890+0x11e pnpbios: Found PnP BIOS data at 0xc00f6c50 pnpbios: Entry = f0000:b431 Rev = 1.0 pnpbios: Event flag at 400 Other BIOS signatures found: Using $PIR table, 7 entries at 0xc00fdf50 apm0: on motherboard apm0: found APM BIOS v1.2, connected at v1.2 npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: at pcibus 0 on motherboard pci0: physical bus=0 found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7190, revid=0x03 bus=0, slot=0, func=0 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 map[10]: type 3, range 32, base 40000000, size 24, enabled found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7191, revid=0x03 bus=0, slot=1, func=0 class=06-04-00, hdrtype=0x01, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=1 secondarybus=1 found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7110, revid=0x02 bus=0, slot=7, func=0 class=06-01-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7111, revid=0x01 bus=0, slot=7, func=1 class=01-01-80, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 map[20]: type 4, range 32, base 0000fc90, size 4, enabled found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7112, revid=0x01 bus=0, slot=7, func=2 class=0c-03-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=d, irq=9 map[20]: type 4, range 32, base 0000fca0, size 5, enabled found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7113, revid=0x03 bus=0, slot=7, func=3 class=06-80-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 map[90]: type 4, range 32, base 00001040, size 4, enabled found-> vendor=0x104d, dev=0x8039, revid=0x02 bus=0, slot=8, func=0 class=0c-00-10, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=9 map[10]: type 1, range 32, base fedf7000, size 11, enabled map[14]: type 1, range 32, base fedf7c00, size 9, enabled found-> vendor=0x1073, dev=0x0010, revid=0x02 bus=0, slot=9, func=0 class=04-01-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=9 map[10]: type 1, range 32, base fedf8000, size 15, enabled map[14]: type 4, range 32, base 0000fcc0, size 6, enabled map[18]: type 4, range 32, base 0000fc8c, size 2, enabled found-> vendor=0x14f1, dev=0x2443, revid=0x01 bus=0, slot=10, func=0 class=07-80-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=9 map[10]: type 1, range 32, base fede0000, size 16, enabled map[14]: type 4, range 32, base 0000fc38, size 3, enabled found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x1229, revid=0x08 bus=0, slot=11, func=0 class=02-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=9 map[10]: type 1, range 32, base fedf6000, size 12, enabled map[14]: type 4, range 32, base 0000fc40, size 6, enabled map[18]: type 1, range 32, base fec00000, size 20, enabled found-> vendor=0x1180, dev=0x0475, revid=0x80 bus=0, slot=12, func=0 class=06-07-00, hdrtype=0x02, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=255 found-> vendor=0x104d, dev=0x808a, revid=0x01 bus=0, slot=13, func=0 class=05-01-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=9 map[10]: type 1, range 32, base ffbfec00, size 10, memory disabled pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: physical bus=1 found-> vendor=0x10c8, dev=0x0016, revid=0x10 bus=1, slot=0, func=0 class=03-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=9 map[10]: type 3, range 32, base fc000000, size 25, enabled map[14]: type 1, range 32, base fe400000, size 22, enabled map[18]: type 1, range 32, base feb00000, size 20, enabled pci1: on pcib1 pci1: (vendor=0x10c8, dev=0x0016) at 0.0 irq 9 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xfc90-0xfc9f at device 7.1 on pci0 uhci0: port 0xfca0-0xfcbf irq 9 at device 7.2 on pci0 usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered pci0: (vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7113) at 7.3 pci0: (vendor=0x104d, dev=0x8039) at 8.0 irq 9 pcm0: port 0xfc8c-0xfc8f,0xfcc0-0xfcff mem 0xfedf8000-0xfedfffff irq 9 at device 9.0 on pci0 ds1: setmap (b2d000, 3de4), nseg=1, error=0 pcm0: ac97 codec id 0x414b4d02 pcm0: ac97 codec features headphone, 18 bit DAC, 18 bit ADC, 5 bit master volume, AKM 3D Audio pcm0: ac97 primary codec extended features AMAP pci0: (vendor=0x14f1, dev=0x2443) at 10.0 irq 9 fxp0: port 0xfc40-0xfc7f mem 0xfec00000-0xfecfffff,0xfedf6000-0xfedf6fff irq 9 at device 11.0 on pci0 fxp0: Ethernet address 08:00:46:07:de:51 bpf: fxp0 attached pcic-pci0: at device 12.0 on pci0 pcic-pci0: Legacy address set to 0x3e0 PCI Config space: 00: 04751180 02100007 06070080 00020000 10: 00000000 020000dc 00000000 00000000 20: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 30: 00000000 00000000 00000000 078001ff 40: 8082104d 000003e1 00000000 00000000 50: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 60: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 70: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 80: 00020001 00000000 04630463 30000000 90: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 Cardbus Socket registers: 00: f000ff53: f000ff53: f000e2c3: f000ff53: 10: f000ff53: f000ff54: f000a1af: f000ff53: ExCa registers: 00: eb 88 d5 43 30 d2 66 f7 f3 88 d7 5a 66 3d ff 03 10: 00 00 fb 77 44 86 c4 c0 c8 02 08 e8 40 91 88 fe 20: 28 e0 8a 66 02 38 e0 72 02 88 e0 bf 05 00 c4 5e 30: 04 50 b4 02 cd 13 5b 73 0a 4f 74 1c 30 e4 cd 13 pci0: (vendor=0x104d, dev=0x808a) at 13.0 irq 9 ata-: ata0 already exists, using ata2 instead ata-: ata1 already exists, using ata3 instead Trying Read_Port at 203 Trying Read_Port at 243 Trying Read_Port at 283 Trying Read_Port at 2c3 Trying Read_Port at 303 Trying Read_Port at 343 Trying Read_Port at 383 Trying Read_Port at 3c3 pnpbios: 17 devices, largest 210 bytes PNP0c02: adding fixed memory32 range 0xfff80000-0xffffffff, size=0x80000 PNP0c02: adding fixed memory32 range 0xfff7f600-0xfff7ffff, size=0xa00 PNP0c02: adding io range 0x398-0x399, size=0x2, align=0x1 PNP0c02: adding io range 0x4d0-0x4d1, size=0x2, align=0x1 PNP0c02: adding io range 0x8000-0x804f, size=0x50, align=0x1 PNP0c02: adding io range 0x1040-0x104f, size=0x10, align=0x1 PNP0c02: adding io range 0x10-0x18, size=0x9, align=0x1 PNP0c02: adding io range 0x1f-0x1f, size=0x1, align=0x1 PNP0c02: adding io range 0x24-0x25, size=0x2, align=0x1 PNP0c02: adding io range 0x28-0x29, size=0x2, align=0x1 PNP0c02: adding io range 0x2c-0x2d, size=0x2, align=0x1 PNP0c02: adding io range 0x30-0x31, size=0x2, align=0x1 PNP0c02: adding io range 0x34-0x35, size=0x2, align=0x1 PNP0c02: adding io range 0x38-0x39, size=0x2, align=0x1 PNP0c02: adding io range 0x3c-0x3d, size=0x2, align=0x1 PNP0c02: adding io range 0x50-0x52, size=0x3, align=0x1 PNP0c02: adding io range 0x72-0x77, size=0x6, align=0x1 PNP0c02: adding io range 0x80-0x80, size=0x1, align=0x1 PNP0c02: adding io range 0x90-0x9f, size=0x10, align=0x1 PNP0c02: adding io range 0xa4-0xa5, size=0x2, align=0x1 PNP0c02: adding io range 0xa8-0xa9, size=0x2, align=0x1 PNP0c02: adding io range 0xac-0xad, size=0x2, align=0x1 PNP0c02: adding io range 0xb0-0xbd, size=0xe, align=0x1 PNP0c02: end config pnpbios: handle 0 device ID PNP0c02 (020cd041) PNP0c01: adding fixed memory32 range 0-0x9ffff, size=0xa0000 PNP0c01: adding fixed memory32 range 0xe8000-0xfffff, size=0x18000 PNP0c01: adding fixed memory32 range 0x100000-0xfffffff, size=0xff00000 PNP0c01: end config pnpbios: handle 1 device ID PNP0c01 (010cd041) PNP0200: adding io range 0-0xf, size=0x10, align=0x1 PNP0200: adding io range 0x81-0x8f, size=0xf, align=0x1 PNP0200: adding io range 0xc0-0xdf, size=0x20, align=0x1 PNP0200: adding dma mask 0x10 PNP0200: end config pnpbios: handle 2 device ID PNP0200 (0002d041) PNP0000: adding io range 0x20-0x21, size=0x2, align=0x1 PNP0000: adding io range 0xa0-0xa1, size=0x2, align=0x1 PNP0000: adding irq mask 0x4 PNP0000: end config pnpbios: handle 3 device ID PNP0000 (0000d041) PNP0100: adding io range 0x40-0x43, size=0x4, align=0x1 PNP0100: adding irq mask 0x1 PNP0100: end config pnpbios: handle 4 device ID PNP0100 (0001d041) PNP0b00: adding io range 0x70-0x71, size=0x2, align=0x1 PNP0b00: adding irq mask 0x100 PNP0b00: end config pnpbios: handle 5 device ID PNP0b00 (000bd041) PNP0303: adding io range 0x60-0x60, size=0x1, align=0x1 PNP0303: adding io range 0x64-0x64, size=0x1, align=0x1 PNP0303: adding irq mask 0x2 PNP0303: end config pnpbios: handle 6 device ID PNP0303 (0303d041) PNP0c04: adding io range 0xf0-0xff, size=0x10, align=0x1 PNP0c04: adding irq mask 0x2000 PNP0c04: end config pnpbios: handle 7 device ID PNP0c04 (040cd041) PNP0800: adding io range 0x61-0x61, size=0x1, align=0x1 PNP0800: end config pnpbios: handle 8 device ID PNP0800 (0008d041) PNP0a03: adding io range 0xcf8-0xcff, size=0x8, align=0x1 PNP0a03: end config pnpbios: handle 9 device ID PNP0a03 (030ad041) PNP0c02: adding memory32 range 0xdc000-0xdffff, size=0x4000, align=0x4000 PNP0c02: end config pnpbios: handle 10 device ID PNP0c02 (020cd041) PNP0c02: skipping empty range PNP0c02: skipping empty range PNP0c02: skipping empty range PNP0c02: skipping empty range PNP0c02: skipping empty range PNP0c02: skipping empty range PNP0c02: end config pnpbios: handle 11 device ID PNP0c02 (020cd041) PNP0e03: adding io range 0x3e0-0x3e1, size=0x2, align=0x1 PNP0e03: end config pnpbios: handle 12 device ID PNP0e03 (030ed041) PNP0501: adding io range 0x3f8-0x3ff, size=0x8, align=0x1 PNP0501: adding irq mask 0x10 PNP0501: end config pnpbios: handle 14 device ID PNP0501 (0105d041) SNY7001: adding io range 0x3e8-0x3ef, size=0x8, align=0x1 SNY7001: adding irq mask 0x800 SNY7001: adding dma mask 0x1 SNY7001: end config pnpbios: handle 15 device ID SNY7001 (0170d9cd) PNP0401: adding io range 0x378-0x37f, size=0x8, align=0x1 PNP0401: adding io range 0x778-0x77a, size=0x3, align=0x1 PNP0401: adding irq mask 0x80 PNP0401: adding dma mask 0x8 PNP0401: end config pnpbios: handle 18 device ID PNP0401 (0104d041) PNP0f13: end config pnpbios: handle 20 device ID PNP0f13 (130fd041) sc-: sc0 already exists, using sc1 instead vga-: vga0 already exists, using vga1 instead isa_probe_children: disabling PnP devices isa_probe_children: probing non-PnP devices pcic0: at port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd0000 on isa0 pcic0: Polling mode stat is 7f pccard0: on pcic0 pcic1: not probed (disabled) pmtimer0 on isa0 ppc0: parallel port found at 0x378 ppc0: using extended I/O port range ppc0: ECP SPP SPP ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: Generic chipset (ECP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold plip0: on ppbus0 bpf: lp0 attached lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 sio0: irq maps: 0x1 0x11 0x1 0x1 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: irq maps: 0x1 0x1 0x1 0x1 sio1: probe failed test(s): 0 1 2 4 6 7 9 sio1 failed to probe at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 sio2: not probed (disabled) sio3: not probed (disabled) sn0: not probed (disabled) vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 fb0: vga0, vga, type:VGA (5), flags:0x7007f fb0: port:0x3c0-0x3df, crtc:0x3d4, mem:0xa0000 0x20000 fb0: init mode:24, bios mode:3, current mode:24 fb0: window:0xc00b8000 size:32k gran:32k, buf:0 size:32k sc1: no video adapter is found. sc1: failed to probe on isa0 vga1: failed to probe on isa0 isa_probe_children: probing PnP devices unknown: can't assign resources unknown: at port 0x60 on isa0 unknown: failed to probe at port 0x61 on isa0 unknown: failed to probe at port 0x3e1-0x3e2 on isa0 unknown: can't assign resources unknown: at port 0x3f8-0x3ff on isa0 unknown: failed to probe at port 0x3e8-0x3ef irq 11 drq 0 on isa0 unknown: can't assign resources unknown: at port 0x378-0x37f on isa0 unknown: failed to probe on isa0 BIOS Geometries: 0:03fefe3f 0..1022=1023 cylinders, 0..254=255 heads, 1..63=63 sectors 0 accounted for Device configuration finished. IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled, default to accept, logging limited to 100 packets/entry by default pcic: I/O win 0 flags 15 240-27f pcic: I/O win 0 flags 5 240-27f wi0: at port 0x240-0x27f irq 10 slot 0 on pccard0 pcic: I/O win 0 flags 15 240-27f wi0: Ethernet address: 00:02:2d:0d:3e:0f bpf: wi0 attached wi0: tx buffer allocation failed --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 16:34:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from schutzenberger.liafa.jussieu.fr (schutzenberger.liafa.jussieu.fr [132.227.81.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55A937B404 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:34:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from espie@localhost) by schutzenberger.liafa.jussieu.fr (8.10.1/8.10.1) id eAU0XwZ12880; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:33:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:33:58 +0100 From: Marc Espie To: Greg Lehey Cc: NetBSD-users@NetBSD.org, misc@openbsd.org, FreeBSD mobile Mailing List Subject: Re: Problems running NetBSD or OpenBSD on newer IBM laptops? Message-ID: <20001130013357.A6802@schutzenberger.liafa.jussieu.fr> Reply-To: Marc.Espie@liafa.jussieu.fr Mail-Followup-To: Marc Espie , Greg Lehey , NetBSD-users@NetBSD.org, misc@openbsd.org, FreeBSD mobile Mailing List References: <20001130090555.A53001@echunga.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001130090555.A53001@echunga.lemis.com>; from grog@lemis.com on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:05:55AM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:05:55AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > > We have a couple of T20s' running FreeBSD, so this particular behavior > > seems to be related to changes for the *21 models. The T20 guys are > > never going to "upgrade" their BIOS after this mess. > > If this analysis is correct, there should be no problems running > NetBSD or OpenBSD on these machines, since they use different > partition numbers. Can anybody confirm or deny? Open uses A6. Nevertheless, the IBM people are a bunch of opportunistic morons. Where `free software', as a wave to surf, rhymes with `linux' and nothing else. Could make an interesting slashdot story, probably needs to be submitted several times until they get a clue... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 17:12:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.gplsucks.org (alpha.gplsucks.org [63.227.213.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86EDE37B401 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:12:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (bwoods2@localhost) by alpha.gplsucks.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAU1Cor60613; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:12:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:12:49 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Woods To: Brett Glass Cc: webmaster@wmptl.com, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001129110537.0498b6c0@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Brett Glass wrote: > gaurdian gaurdian wrote: > > > > So what: > > > > 1) They have no obligation to support FreeBSD. > > Obligation? No. However, the market can and should punish > vendors who sell hardware that's not compatible with industry > standards and widely used software. > > > 2) If you dont like it, dont buy their Laptops... > > I for one, have no issues with them. > > Don't worry; I won't buy an IBM laptop ever again. My 760E > has had many, many problems -- including many that make > it unusable even with Microsoft Windows. And I won't even > get into how awful their service is if your laptop ever > fails. Hmmmm....Their service has been REAL good to me, the basically replaced my whole laptop when I spilled coffee on it, and it dident cost me a dime, it was warreentee(sp), also on my other 600e, when my baby boy ripped the keys off and broke the springs, they replaced the keyboard, in warreentee. They shipped me a shipping box, and in 7 days I had my repaired units........ > > 3) I have FreeBSD running fine on my Thinkpad 600E > > and have had it there for the last year. > > As I recall, the 600E's modem doesn't work with FreeBSD, and > power management doesn't work. APM works fine here....I have had it for a while.... > At 10:48 AM 11/29/2000, Nathan Vidican wrote: > > > >I too have a NEWER IBM Thinkpad, and was truly disapointed; not by the > >fact that IBM doesn't support FreeBSD - that part was assumed... but > >rather by the fact that IBM made the bios incompatable with any type 165 > >partitions on a disk. Thus rendering the newer (Thinkpad A20M-series; eg > >my 2428U) laptops incapable of running FreeBSD. When asked about some > >sort of bios patch to disable the suspend/resume function's usage of > >type 165; IBM just replies 'we don't support using freebsd on these > >machines; but we do now support using caldera's eDesktop 2.4 on them'. > >So I went with Slackware 7.1 just for the record. If anyone does find a > >way to run FreeBSD on something other than type 165 partitions I'd love > >to hear about it. > > If the problem is purely the integer assigned as the partition type, why > not patch the code to allow an alternate number? Also, do any of the other > BSDs happen to use a different number? > > --Brett > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 18:43:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from Millions.Ca (h-207-228-120-32.gen.cadvision.com [207.228.120.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57FE37B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:43:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by Millions.Ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07447; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:43:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stacy@Millions.CA) Received: from Oak.Millions.Ca(192.168.64.1) via SMTP by mail-gw-0.millions.ca, id smtpdhH7445; Wed Nov 29 19:43:15 2000 Received: from Millions.CA (Maple.Millions.Ca [192.168.64.2]) by oak.millions.ca (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23768; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:43:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3A25BEBF.16EEAC49@Millions.CA> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:43:11 -0700 From: Stacy Millions Organization: Millions Consulting Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Woods Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Woods wrote: > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Brett Glass wrote: [ SNIP ] > > And I won't even > > get into how awful their service is if your laptop ever > > fails. > > Hmmmm....Their service has been REAL good to me, the basically > replaced my whole laptop when I spilled coffee on it, and it dident > cost me a dime, it was warreentee(sp), also on my other 600e, when > my baby boy ripped the keys off and broke the springs, they replaced > the keyboard, in warreentee. So IBM "supports" spilt coffee and rampaging babies, but they don't support FreeBSD. Would they be more helpful if the baby installed FreeBSD on your laptop while you weren't looking :-) -stacy -- Nothing spoils fun like finding out it builds character. - Calvin Stacy Millions stacy@millions.ca Millions Consulting Limited To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 19: 7:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 32CFE37B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:07:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 55565 invoked by alias); 30 Nov 2000 03:07:44 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 55555 invoked by uid 0); 30 Nov 2000 03:07:43 -0000 Received: from win2k.gplsucks.org (HELO win2k) (63.227.213.89) by ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Nov 2000 03:07:43 -0000 From: "William Woods" To: "Stacy Millions" Cc: Subject: RE: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:03:53 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3A25BEBF.16EEAC49@Millions.CA> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Extremely funny, but I was pointing out that the comment about their support awful is not true, yu missed my point again....go figure. -----Original Message----- From: Stacy Millions [mailto:stacy@millions.ca] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 6:43 PM To: Bill Woods Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Bill Woods wrote: > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Brett Glass wrote: [ SNIP ] > > And I won't even > > get into how awful their service is if your laptop ever > > fails. > > Hmmmm....Their service has been REAL good to me, the basically > replaced my whole laptop when I spilled coffee on it, and it dident > cost me a dime, it was warreentee(sp), also on my other 600e, when > my baby boy ripped the keys off and broke the springs, they replaced > the keyboard, in warreentee. So IBM "supports" spilt coffee and rampaging babies, but they don't support FreeBSD. Would they be more helpful if the baby installed FreeBSD on your laptop while you weren't looking :-) -stacy -- Nothing spoils fun like finding out it builds character. - Calvin Stacy Millions stacy@millions.ca Millions Consulting Limited To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 19:41:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from volatile.chemikals.org (ci391991-a.grnvle1.sc.home.com [24.9.31.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E33337B69B for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:41:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from morganw@localhost) by volatile.chemikals.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAU3fW696707; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:41:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from morganw) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:41:32 -0500 (EST) From: Wesley Morgan To: "Michael C . Wu" Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IrDA? Need specification on VAIO z505js IrDA, etc. In-Reply-To: <20001129182543.A11799@peorth.iteration.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I can't get my controller to attach either, and win98 wont cough up the exact io addresses it uses. I would love to be able to hotsync over my IR port like I can in windows... On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Michael C . Wu wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I talked to Benno Rice about getting proper IrDA support > on FreeBSD. We agreed that IrDA is a big mess and netgraph > would be the best solution. However, I'm having trouble > finding out what IrDA controller my laptop has. > > Benno mentioned that his IrDA appears as a sio* device, but > it does not appear so on mine. www.sony.com/google/dogfetch produced > no results. pnpinfo shows nothing. pciconf showed several > sony/intel pci id's that were not very useful. Perhaps someone > can shed some light on what IrDA chipset the -- _ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ Wesley N Morgan _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ morganw@chemikals.org _ __ | _ \._ \ |) | FreeBSD: The Power To Serve _ |___/___/___/ 6bone: 3ffe:1ce3:7::b4ff:fe53:c297 Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 20: 2:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315C837B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:02:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05050; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:01:36 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001129205937.043ff770@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:01:29 -0700 To: Bill Woods From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Cc: webmaster@wmptl.com, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001129110537.0498b6c0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:12 PM 11/29/2000, Bill Woods wrote: >Hmmmm....Their service has been REAL good to me, the basically replaced my >whole laptop when I spilled coffee on it, and it dident cost me a dime, it >was warreentee(sp), Interesting. On mine, they tried to charge me hundreds of dollars for replacing trivial plastic parts that were scuffed but didn't really need fixing. >also on my other 600e, when my baby boy ripped the >keys off and broke the springs, they replaced the keyboard, in >warreentee. They shipped me a shipping box, and in 7 days I had my >repaired units........ Seven days is far too long when you're relying on a laptop. Especially when the system is shipped in and out via an overnight courier. This means that they dawdled for 5 days.... --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 20:58:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mobile.wemm.org (adsl-64-163-195-99.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.163.195.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DE637B401 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:58:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mobile.wemm.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAU4wGD87940; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:58:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <200011300458.eAU4wGD87940@mobile.wemm.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Frank van der Linden Cc: Greg Lehey , NetBSD-users@NetBSD.org, misc@OpenBSD.org, FreeBSD mobile Mailing List Subject: Re: Problems running NetBSD or OpenBSD on newer IBM laptops? In-Reply-To: <20001129233823.A4620@vaasje.org> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:58:16 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Frank van der Linden wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:05:55AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > > In the last couple of days we've been having a discussion in the > > FreeBSD mobile list about a bug in newer IBM laptops. See > > http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4QHLS4.html for more details. > > Basically, it seems that the IBM BIOS uses partition type 165 for its > > own purposes, and goes crazy if it doesn't find what it wants in it: > > If type 165 is the problem, then NetBSD will certainly not have that problem, > since it uses 169 these days. I half wonder if we should make FreeBSD recognize a secondary partition type as well, just in case. For example, our fdisk.c suggests that 168 (0xA8) and 175 (0xAF) are free.. Maybe one of them? Then we can try using the alternate on the wretched thinkpads (sysinstall will let the user put in any partition type they want). Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 21:15:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5355F37B401 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:15:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 73840 invoked by alias); 30 Nov 2000 05:15:55 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 73826 invoked by uid 0); 30 Nov 2000 05:15:54 -0000 Received: from win2k.gplsucks.org (HELO win2k) (63.227.213.89) by ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Nov 2000 05:15:54 -0000 From: "William Woods" To: "Brett Glass" Cc: , Subject: RE: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:12:04 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001129205937.043ff770@localhost> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 7 days was fine for me, I own 3 of their systems, so I could swap HD's in a second. I would buy IBM again in a Heartbeat, based on my experiences with their support. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Brett Glass Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 8:01 PM To: Bill Woods Cc: webmaster@wmptl.com; freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads At 06:12 PM 11/29/2000, Bill Woods wrote: >Hmmmm....Their service has been REAL good to me, the basically replaced my >whole laptop when I spilled coffee on it, and it dident cost me a dime, it >was warreentee(sp), Interesting. On mine, they tried to charge me hundreds of dollars for replacing trivial plastic parts that were scuffed but didn't really need fixing. >also on my other 600e, when my baby boy ripped the >keys off and broke the springs, they replaced the keyboard, in >warreentee. They shipped me a shipping box, and in 7 days I had my >repaired units........ Seven days is far too long when you're relying on a laptop. Especially when the system is shipped in and out via an overnight courier. This means that they dawdled for 5 days.... --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 21:21:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from cisco.com (flipper.cisco.com [171.69.25.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F9937B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:21:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from kitab.cisco.com (kitab.cisco.com [171.69.187.233]) by cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.2-SunOS.5.5.1.sun4/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01088; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:21:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from raj@localhost) by kitab.cisco.com (8.11.0/8.9.2) id eAU5LkW05485; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:21:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from raj) From: Richard Johnson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:21:45 -0800 (PST) To: Peter Radcliffe Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wavelan base stations (Re: Aviator 2.4) In-Reply-To: <20001128130551.B4237@pir.net> References: <200011280746.eAS7klc01290@zorba.sf-bay.org> <20001128130551.B4237@pir.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14885.57818.459878.510449@kitab.cisco.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter Radcliffe writes: > The firmware on the lucent gateway forces the first 6 characters of > the network name to seemingly random hex digits (not related to the > mac address or the id of the unit) and the software won't let you use > 90% of the unit's features and won't even let you change the SNMP > community string. It's not really "random". The network name is set to the last 6 characters of the box serial number. You can't change it, however. You are FORCED to use encryption and the encryption key MUST be exactly 5 ascii characters. The ascii code for those characters becomes the 40 bit encryption key. I'm thinking about writing up a web page explaining the differences between the Airport, RG-1000, and Cabletron RoamAbout systems. It just happens that I have the Cabletron system and two of my relatives have the other two so I have good experience with each. :) /raj To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 21:24: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from echunga.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D5837B698 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by echunga.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAU5HEY56507; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:47:14 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:47:14 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Peter Wemm Cc: Frank van der Linden , NetBSD-users@NetBSD.org, misc@OpenBSD.org, FreeBSD mobile Mailing List Subject: Re: Problems running NetBSD or OpenBSD on newer IBM laptops? Message-ID: <20001130154714.L54584@echunga.lemis.com> References: <20001129233823.A4620@vaasje.org> <200011300458.eAU4wGD87940@mobile.wemm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011300458.eAU4wGD87940@mobile.wemm.org>; from peter@netplex.com.au on Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 08:58:16PM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 29 November 2000 at 20:58:16 -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > Frank van der Linden wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:05:55AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >>> In the last couple of days we've been having a discussion in the >>> FreeBSD mobile list about a bug in newer IBM laptops. See >>> http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4QHLS4.html for more details. >>> Basically, it seems that the IBM BIOS uses partition type 165 for its >>> own purposes, and goes crazy if it doesn't find what it wants in it: >> >> If type 165 is the problem, then NetBSD will certainly not have that problem, >> since it uses 169 these days. > > I half wonder if we should make FreeBSD recognize a secondary partition type > as well, just in case. For example, our fdisk.c suggests that 168 (0xA8) > and 175 (0xAF) are free.. Maybe one of them? Then we can try using the > alternate on the wretched thinkpads (sysinstall will let the user put in > any partition type they want). Well, in fact I just blew away my laptop with some experiments :-( Here's what I discovered: 1. FreeBSD will happily mount FreeBSD partitions in NetBSD or OpenBSD slices. It's just the boot which silently ignores them and boots from the first FreeBSD partition it finds, and complains if it can't find one. Correct me if I misunderstand, but I think the process is something like this: a. Boot manager prompts: F1: Microsoft F2: FreeBSD F3: OpenBSD F4: NetBSD b. Press F3 or F4. Boot manager goes looking for the boot block on this slice and loads it. c. The boot block goes and looks at the slice, says "nah! That's not FreeBSD", finds slice 2 and boots it. Is this reasonable? In that case, we just need to change the boot. 2. Don't use /stand/sysinstall's partition manager to rewrite the partition type of a partition you care about. It seems to create an empty partition table as well. Use fdisk(8) instead. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 21:24:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from KIWI-Computer.com (kiwi-computer.com [63.224.10.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F39D37B401 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by KIWI-Computer.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAU5Odf06834; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:24:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: FreeBSD Filter Message-Id: <200011300524.eAU5Odf06834@KIWI-Computer.com> Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-Reply-To: "from Bill Woods at Nov 29, 2000 05:12:49 pm" To: Bill Woods Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:24:38 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Don't worry; I won't buy an IBM laptop ever again. My 760E > > has had many, many problems -- including many that make > > it unusable even with Microsoft Windows. And I won't even > > get into how awful their service is if your laptop ever > > fails. > > Hmmmm....Their service has been REAL good to me, the basically replaced my > whole laptop when I spilled coffee on it, and it dident cost me a dime, it > was warreentee(sp), also on my other 600e, when my baby boy ripped the > keys off and broke the springs, they replaced the keyboard, in > warreentee. They shipped me a shipping box, and in 7 days I had my > repaired units........ Lucky you. My power connector on my Toshiba Tecra (a $4300 system) came loose, and when I sent it in (my first mistake) to get the screen fixed, they wouldn't send it back to me until they changed me $700 to replace the motherboard (even though I could resolder the power connector myself). I bit the bullet & paid them (my second mistake) and ever since I got it back it's never worked. Right now it crashes 1-5 minutes after power-on, no matter what OS I'm using, even hanging out in the BIOS. I've sent it in 5 times since, each time they've replaced the motherboard for free (ironic, don't you think?)-- they keep insisting I need to reinstall software, but I'm getting sick of doing that and they won't refund me money, provide a replacement, extend my warranty, or even fix the damn thing. (They did replace my 14" screen and CD-ROM and Hard drive for free-- go figure) My advice: Don't buy a Toshiba either. Ever. Unless you don't care about the warranty or service. Or maybe other have had better luck... --Rick C. Petty, aka Snoopy rick@kiwi-computer.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 21:26: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from spock.org (cm-24-169-11-24.nycap.rr.com [24.169.11.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9275237B400 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:26:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jon@localhost) by spock.org serial EF600Q3T-B7F; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:24:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:24:15 -0500 From: Jonathan Chen To: Kevin Oberman Cc: Brett Glass , webmaster@wmptl.com, bwoods2@uswest.net, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Message-ID: <20001130002415.B50250@spock.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001129110537.0498b6c0@localhost> <200011291829.eATITWJ23422@ptavv.es.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: telnet/1.1x In-Reply-To: <200011291829.eATITWJ23422@ptavv.es.net>; from oberman@es.net on Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 10:29:32AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 10:29:32AM -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote: > The only real annoyance I have with the 600E is the sound. It > seemingly randomly probes as pcm0 or pcm1. If it probes as pcm0, it > works fine. If it probes as pcm1, it's dead. I hate computers with > non-deterministic behavior! The 600E has a sound setup that apparently looks like both a PCI and ISA-PnP device, and is just plain weird. To get it working consistantly as pcm0, simply apply the following patch and remove "device csa" from your kernel config. Index: sys/conf/files =================================================================== RCS file: /export/ncvs/src/sys/conf/files,v retrieving revision 1.340.2.38 diff -u -r1.340.2.38 files --- sys/conf/files 2000/10/31 23:16:07 1.340.2.38 +++ sys/conf/files 2000/11/30 05:10:55 @@ -1090,8 +1090,7 @@ dev/sound/isa/sbc.c optional sbc isa #dev/sound/pci/aureal.c optional pcm pci dev/sound/pci/csa.c optional csa pci -dev/sound/pci/csa.c optional pcm pci -dev/sound/pci/csapcm.c optional pcm pci +dev/sound/pci/csapcm.c optional csa pcm pci dev/sound/pci/ds1.c optional pcm pci dev/sound/pci/emu10k1.c optional pcm pci dev/sound/pci/es137x.c optional pcm pci > Other then that, I have always preferred ThinkPads because of the > excellent keyboard (I'm very finicky about that), the TrackPoint (if I > don't plug in an external mouse) and the 3-button "mouse". Fairly > light, too. Ditto, I shopped around a while back for ANY laptop that had 1024x768 screen, a good keyboard, and a 3-button trackpoint (I hate those touchpads) that's also lightweight. These are basically the requirements that has to be met before I even consider a laptop... The only candidate I found was the 600E. (more recently I think I've seen Dells that fit my requirement, but I won't be replacing my 600E for a while yet) > I started drooling over the new ThinkPads, but I won't touch them with > a 10 foot pole as long as this problem persists. The newer thinkpads are indeed very nice, but it wouldn't be a show stopper for me if I were considering buying one... after all, several workarounds are available. -- (o_ 1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2 _o) \\\_\ Jonathan Chen jon@spock.org /_/// <____) No electrons were harmed during production of this message (____> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 21:34:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C61737B401 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:34:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 93496 invoked by alias); 30 Nov 2000 05:34:18 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 93486 invoked by uid 0); 30 Nov 2000 05:34:18 -0000 Received: from win2k.gplsucks.org (HELO win2k) (63.227.213.89) by ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Nov 2000 05:34:18 -0000 From: "William Woods" To: "FreeBSD Filter" Cc: Subject: RE: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:30:28 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200011300524.eAU5Odf06834@KIWI-Computer.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Honestly, I don't consider it luck, I have owned several IBM ThinkPad's from the 700 series on up and have had excellent service when I need it. That is the MAIN reason I stick with IBM, their service is fantastic, IMHO -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of FreeBSD Filter Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:25 PM To: Bill Woods Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads > > Don't worry; I won't buy an IBM laptop ever again. My 760E > > has had many, many problems -- including many that make > > it unusable even with Microsoft Windows. And I won't even > > get into how awful their service is if your laptop ever > > fails. > > Hmmmm....Their service has been REAL good to me, the basically replaced my > whole laptop when I spilled coffee on it, and it dident cost me a dime, it > was warreentee(sp), also on my other 600e, when my baby boy ripped the > keys off and broke the springs, they replaced the keyboard, in > warreentee. They shipped me a shipping box, and in 7 days I had my > repaired units........ Lucky you. My power connector on my Toshiba Tecra (a $4300 system) came loose, and when I sent it in (my first mistake) to get the screen fixed, they wouldn't send it back to me until they changed me $700 to replace the motherboard (even though I could resolder the power connector myself). I bit the bullet & paid them (my second mistake) and ever since I got it back it's never worked. Right now it crashes 1-5 minutes after power-on, no matter what OS I'm using, even hanging out in the BIOS. I've sent it in 5 times since, each time they've replaced the motherboard for free (ironic, don't you think?)-- they keep insisting I need to reinstall software, but I'm getting sick of doing that and they won't refund me money, provide a replacement, extend my warranty, or even fix the damn thing. (They did replace my 14" screen and CD-ROM and Hard drive for free-- go figure) My advice: Don't buy a Toshiba either. Ever. Unless you don't care about the warranty or service. Or maybe other have had better luck... --Rick C. Petty, aka Snoopy rick@kiwi-computer.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 29 21:55:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from samson.dc.luth.se (samson.dc.luth.se [130.240.112.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB4737B401 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:55:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from dc.luth.se (root@stinky.dc.luth.se [130.240.60.52]) by samson.dc.luth.se (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eAU5tYY19715; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 06:55:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from stinky.dc.luth.se (bj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dc.luth.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA08134; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 06:55:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bj@stinky.dc.luth.se) Message-Id: <200011300555.GAA08134@dc.luth.se> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Michael C . Wu" Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Nokia Cardphone In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:01:30 CST. <20001129160130.A10788@peorth.iteration.net> Dcc: X-Disposition-notification-to: Borje.Josefsson@dc.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 06:55:21 +0100 From: Borje Josefsson Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:01:30 CST, "Michael C . Wu" wrote: > Hello, > = > I am wondering if anyone has used this Nokai product before. > Will this work? If I buy it and lend it to someone, would > someone be willing to try to make it work? I have been using that product under FreeBSD since february, it works = perfect! I even think it works better under BSD than under Win* = (surprise?? :-) ). I haven't had the possibility to test the V.120 mode = (44 kbps), since our modem pool doesnt support that, but even with 28.8k,= = ppp and compression I usually get 40-50 kbps throughput - which is MUCH = more than 9.6k. No special tweaking, it works like a regular modem. Just put the lines in= = pccardd.conf (they might already be there in 4.2R, I haven't checked) and= = run!. If You want to run PPP, You have to grab the AT init string from the Win*= = modem log file and paste that into ppp.conf (or I could send You that = string later - I havent that available right now). Good luck! --Borje To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 0:30:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4797737B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:30:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAU8UjQ70769; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:30:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA26462; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:30:45 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011300830.BAA26462@harmony.village.org> To: Matthias Saou Subject: Re: Problem with a Xircom ethernet card Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:46:48 +0100." <3A255D28.3AD206B0@accelance.fr> References: <3A255D28.3AD206B0@accelance.fr> <3A24C5E0.B6AEBD78@accelance.fr> <200011291928.MAA21846@harmony.village.org> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:30:44 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <3A255D28.3AD206B0@accelance.fr> Matthias Saou writes: : And what should I do now?... Is there a way of forcing something : somewhere... where should I look : The kernel config? The pccard.conf : files? I still need help, I couldn't find anything anywhere, except in : japanese :-( pccard_mem=0xd4000 in /etc/pccard.conf may be a good place to start. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 1:15:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mercure.accelance.net (mercure.accelance.net [212.155.217.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD1F37B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:15:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from accelance.fr (guardian.accelance.net [212.155.217.253]) by mercure.accelance.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28603 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:15:24 +0100 Message-ID: <3A261AAB.4D8B1920@accelance.fr> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:15:23 +0100 From: Matthias Saou X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-marmotte i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with a Xircom ethernet card References: <3A255D28.3AD206B0@accelance.fr> <3A24C5E0.B6AEBD78@accelance.fr> <200011291928.MAA21846@harmony.village.org> <200011300830.BAA26462@harmony.village.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thank you all for your suggestions, but I finally got my card to work yesterday evening at home! Here is what I did : I recompiled the kernel with "irq 11" instead of "irq ?" for both pcic0 and pcic1, then I wasn't getting the "(null)"("(null)") problem anymore, so I saw that I was slowly getting there :-) Now I was getting the good ol' "Config id 35 not present etc." I had before with FreeBSD 4.1.1 whithout having the time (nor the knowledge) to fix it. This time I saw something : The pccard.conf was parsed and the (first) matching instance for my card was the one only for the serial port!!! (Yes, stupid mistake I made...) So I put the ethernet part at the top of my /etc/pccard.conf file and I got another step further... Now I got something like "unable to assign IRQ"... rats! I tried to put "irq 10" at the top of my pccard.conf, but same thing. Then I tried to change the "?" in the card's section to "10" and... voilà! It was tough (I'm really used to Linux, especially SysV-style ones, but a complete FreeBSD newbie), and I really don't know how I could have done without having a Linux dual-boot to know the interrupts to use... oh well. Now I'm kind of stuck setting the card's ipv4 config by hand after every boot since the /etc/pccard_dhcp script doesn't seem to work for me (I have a dhcp server on my LAN, but the ethernet link doesn't even go up). Does anyone know what to do? I tried to use sysinstall to set my network settings, but dhcp for xe0 didn't work (it went straight to a manual config screen) and only the nameserver seems to be set at boot time (not the IP address nor the gateway). But I'm glad to have at last a network connection! I compiled lots of ports (xmms, gimp, some games etc...) without any problems :-) I like my new toy! Now I just need to get used to it ;-) Matthias -- Matthias Saou matthias@accelance.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 2:36:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mobile.wemm.org (adsl-64-163-195-99.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.163.195.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA9C37B400; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 02:36:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mobile.wemm.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAUAatD94336; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 02:36:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <200011301036.eAUAatD94336@mobile.wemm.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Robert Nordier Cc: David Wolfskill , nate@yogotech.com, mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 02:36:55 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter Wemm wrote: > David Wolfskill wrote: > > >From: Nate Williams > > >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:48:34 -0700 (MST) > > > > >> >Didn't Robert shrink it back to 1 sector after 4.1 was released? It > > >> >would be interesting to know if the 'smaller' bootblock worked as well. > > > > >> No; jhb found that there was a bug in the boot0 code & fixed it. My > > >> archived mail shows that most of the work occurred on 04 August. > > > > >Hmm, the log message I'm reading says: > > > > > date: 2000/10/02 17:30:22; author: rnordier; state: Exp; lines: +77 - 15 > 1 > > > Go back to occupying just a single sector, reverting r1.17 - r1.20. > > >[SNIP > > > > Right; I expressed myself poorly: what I meant by the above is that the > > thing that fixed the boot-hang (back in August) was not a change in the > > size of boot0, but jhb locating & fixing a bug. (I meant no slight to > > either jhb or rnordier; I hope that's clear.) > > This has nothing to do with the problem at hand. We had a thinkpad > something-20 belonging to a friend of a friend. The bios would lock up with > *any* FreeBSD installed all the way back to 2.2.5. ie: 2.2.x, 3.x, 4,x and > 5.x *ALL* didn't work. > > ie: bootblocks are not relevant. > > > > > >This is the last commit made to the boot0 code for i386. Ahh, but this > > >code didn't make it back into FreeBSD 4.X, so 4.2 *might* still be > > >succeptible if this is a 2-sector boot0 bug. > > > > True, though other evidence (in this thread) indicates that at least > > part of the problem occurs even if a single sector is all that is used. > > The bios locks up regardless of which bootblock are used.. 1k, 0.5k, old 3.x, > or a.out 2.x bootblocks. It simply does not like the partitioning. > > Somebody else has suggested that the secret to making FreeBSD work on this > laptop is to have windows set up on the first slice and part of the disk, and > set up and *use* suspend-to-FAT32 *before* installing freebsd. > > However, if you do this, you windows partition must be less than 8GB as the > 0.5k bootblocks are not able to boot from above-8G. ie: only 4.x is > compatable. If rnordier backs this feature out of 4.x too, then 4.x will > be broken as well because he has not replaced the functionality that he > destroyed (ie: automatic above-8G support). This was uncalled for. I apologize to Robert for going over the top here. On further reading of the mailing list (buried in my mailbox with 7197 other as-yet unread messages), I see that Robert has already pointed out that the actual bootblocks are likely to have nothing to do with it. I should not have let my frustration at IBM be misdirected at another developer who was an innocent bystander. I should be the last one to complain about missing features of works-in-progress considering how many loose ends I am presently implicated in. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 3:17:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from nordier.com (c2-dbn-2.dial-up.net [196.34.155.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB55E37B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 03:17:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by nordier.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAUBGeC02119; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:16:40 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from rnordier) From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <200011301116.eAUBGeC02119@nordier.com> Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads To: peter@netplex.com.au (Peter Wemm) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:16:40 +0200 (SAST) Cc: dhw@whistle.com (David Wolfskill), nate@yogotech.com, mobile@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200011301036.eAUAatD94336@mobile.wemm.org> from "Peter Wemm" at Nov 30, 2000 02:36:55 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter Wemm wrote: > Peter Wemm wrote: > > David Wolfskill wrote: > > > >From: Nate Williams > > > >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:48:34 -0700 (MST) > > > > > > >> >Didn't Robert shrink it back to 1 sector after 4.1 was released? It > > > >> >would be interesting to know if the 'smaller' bootblock worked as well. > > > > > > >> No; jhb found that there was a bug in the boot0 code & fixed it. My > > > >> archived mail shows that most of the work occurred on 04 August. > > > > > > >Hmm, the log message I'm reading says: > > > > > > > date: 2000/10/02 17:30:22; author: rnordier; state: Exp; lines: +77 - > 15 > > 1 > > > > Go back to occupying just a single sector, reverting r1.17 - r1.20. > > > >[SNIP > > > > > > Right; I expressed myself poorly: what I meant by the above is that the > > > thing that fixed the boot-hang (back in August) was not a change in the > > > size of boot0, but jhb locating & fixing a bug. (I meant no slight to > > > either jhb or rnordier; I hope that's clear.) > > > > This has nothing to do with the problem at hand. We had a thinkpad > > something-20 belonging to a friend of a friend. The bios would lock up with > > *any* FreeBSD installed all the way back to 2.2.5. ie: 2.2.x, 3.x, 4,x and > > 5.x *ALL* didn't work. > > > > ie: bootblocks are not relevant. > > > > > > > > >This is the last commit made to the boot0 code for i386. Ahh, but this > > > >code didn't make it back into FreeBSD 4.X, so 4.2 *might* still be > > > >succeptible if this is a 2-sector boot0 bug. > > > > > > True, though other evidence (in this thread) indicates that at least > > > part of the problem occurs even if a single sector is all that is used. > > > > The bios locks up regardless of which bootblock are used.. 1k, 0.5k, old 3.x, > > or a.out 2.x bootblocks. It simply does not like the partitioning. > > > > Somebody else has suggested that the secret to making FreeBSD work on this > > laptop is to have windows set up on the first slice and part of the disk, and > > set up and *use* suspend-to-FAT32 *before* installing freebsd. > > > > However, if you do this, you windows partition must be less than 8GB as the > > 0.5k bootblocks are not able to boot from above-8G. ie: only 4.x is > > compatable. If rnordier backs this feature out of 4.x too, then 4.x will > > be broken as well because he has not replaced the functionality that he > > destroyed (ie: automatic above-8G support). > > This was uncalled for. I apologize to Robert for going over the top here. > > On further reading of the mailing list (buried in my mailbox with 7197 > other as-yet unread messages), I see that Robert has already pointed out > that the actual bootblocks are likely to have nothing to do with it. > I should not have let my frustration at IBM be misdirected at another > developer who was an innocent bystander. > > I should be the last one to complain about missing features of > works-in-progress considering how many loose ends I am presently > implicated in. Thanks, Peter. For my part I acknowledge that your concerns about above-8G installations are valid and need addressing. I'll see if I can get something done about this in the next week or so. -- Robert Nordier rnordier@nordier.com rnordier@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 7:10:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from Millions.Ca (h-207-228-120-32.gen.cadvision.com [207.228.120.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC0337B402 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 07:10:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by Millions.Ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08415; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:10:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stacy@Millions.CA) Received: from Oak.Millions.Ca(192.168.64.1) via SMTP by mail-gw-0.millions.ca, id smtpdUG8413; Thu Nov 30 08:10:20 2000 Received: from Millions.CA (Maple.Millions.Ca [192.168.64.2]) by oak.millions.ca (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA13832; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:10:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3A266DD8.BCA593D0@Millions.CA> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:10:16 -0700 From: Stacy Millions Organization: Millions Consulting Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brett Glass Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newerThinkpads References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001129110537.0498b6c0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20001129205937.043ff770@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass wrote: > > At 06:12 PM 11/29/2000, Bill Woods wrote: [ Snip} > > >also on my other 600e, when my baby boy ripped the > >keys off and broke the springs, they replaced the keyboard, in > >warreentee. They shipped me a shipping box, and in 7 days I had my > >repaired units........ > > Seven days is far too long when you're relying on a laptop. Especially > when the system is shipped in and out via an overnight courier. This > means that they dawdled for 5 days.... I like a good round of IBM bashing as much as the next guy :-) But I think your expectations for warranty repair is a little out of whack. I agree that seven days without a laptop is a long time, but I don't expect expedited service without paying for it (either on a case by case basis or with a service contract). If your laptop is critical to your work, you should be prepared to pay for expedited service. Either that or you do like I do; if it breaks, it means it time to "upgrade" my laptop :-) and be very thankful for backups. -stacy -- Nothing spoils fun like finding out it builds character. - Calvin Stacy Millions stacy@millions.ca Millions Consulting Limited To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 7:32: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from lunatic.oneinsane.net (lunatic.oneinsane.net [207.113.133.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C1637B698 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 07:32:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by lunatic.oneinsane.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1906D15551; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 07:32:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 07:32:00 -0800 From: Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with a Xircom ethernet card Message-ID: <20001130073159.A62848@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Reply-To: Ron Rosson Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org References: <3A255D28.3AD206B0@accelance.fr> <3A24C5E0.B6AEBD78@accelance.fr> <200011291928.MAA21846@harmony.village.org> <200011300830.BAA26462@harmony.village.org> <3A261AAB.4D8B1920@accelance.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A261AAB.4D8B1920@accelance.fr>; from matthias@accelance.fr on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 10:15:23AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD lunatic.oneinsane.net 4.1.1-STABLE X-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Crescent (20% of Full) X-Opinion: What you read here is my IMHO X-WWW: http://www.oneinsane.net X-GPG-FINGERPRINT: 3F11 DB43 F080 C037 96F0 F8D3 5BD2 652B 171C 86DB X-Uptime: 7:30AM up 32 days, 9:45, 1 user, load averages: 1.02, 1.03, 1.00 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthias Saou (matthias@accelance.fr) wrote: > Now I'm kind of stuck setting the card's ipv4 config by hand after every > boot since the /etc/pccard_dhcp script doesn't seem to work for me (I > have a dhcp server on my LAN, but the ethernet link doesn't even go up). > Does anyone know what to do? I tried to use sysinstall to set my network > settings, but dhcp for xe0 didn't work (it went straight to a manual > config screen) and only the nameserver seems to be set at boot time (not > the IP address nor the gateway). > Do you have these entries in your /etc/rc.conf? pccard_enable="YES" pccard_ifconfig="DHCP" -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... The InSaNe One rm -rf * insane@oneinsane.net and all was /dev/null and *void() ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Meaning of life: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 8: 0:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.cancom.net (ns.cancom.net [209.167.119.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3723E37B404 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:00:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from monk.cancom.net (root@monk.cancom.net [209.167.119.30]) by ns.cancom.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24890 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:00:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from monk.cancom.net (doug@localhost.cancom.net [127.0.0.1]) by monk.cancom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14591 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:00:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200011301600.LAA14591@monk.cancom.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 974911894 with version: MH 6.8.3 #1[UCI] To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org From: "Douglas Berry" Subject: xe0: Sorry, your CE card is not supported :( Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:00:15 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Should i be able to use a ``Xircom CreditCard 10Base-T PS-CE2-10 2.02'' under FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE? I have it plugged into a Compaq armada 4120t, and get the above message. The message is proceeded by /kernel: pccard: card inserted, slot 0 pccardd[55]: Card "Xircom"("CreditCard 10Base-T") [PS-CE2-10] [2.02] \ matched "Xircom" ("CreditCard 10Base-T") [(null)] [(null)] which is further proceeded by /kernel: pcic0: at port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd0000 on isa0 /kernel: pcic0: Polling mode /kernel: pccard0: on pcic0 /kernel: pccard1: on pcic0 This is the last bit i need to get working on this machine. I'm grateful for the lp0 interface helping me get this far ;-) Thanks for any help, doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 8:45: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD2237B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:44:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA82310; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:44:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001129110537.0498b6c0@localhost> <14885.22461.257641.814194@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 30 Nov 2000 17:44:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: Nate Williams's message of "Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:23:41 -0700 (MST)" Message-ID: Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nate Williams writes: > > As I recall, the 600E's modem doesn't work with FreeBSD, and > > power management doesn't work. > Power managements works fine. The DSP chip doesn't work with FreeBSD > though. Umm, it works just fine. What are you guys smoking? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 8:47: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FDF637B404 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:47:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15651; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:46:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23521; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:46:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14886.33917.855202.511113@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:46:53 -0700 (MST) To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams), freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001129110537.0498b6c0@localhost> <14885.22461.257641.814194@nomad.yogotech.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > As I recall, the 600E's modem doesn't work with FreeBSD, and > > > power management doesn't work. > > Power managements works fine. The DSP chip doesn't work with FreeBSD > > though. > > Umm, it works just fine. What are you guys smoking? The DSP chip does *NOT* work on FreeBSD, since that's what's used in the modem, and we don't have programming specs. Are you confusing 'DSP chip' with 'sound chip'? Maybe you need to clean your glasses! :) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 8:51:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2829D37B401 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:51:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA82351; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:51:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001129110537.0498b6c0@localhost> <14885.22461.257641.814194@nomad.yogotech.com> <14886.33917.855202.511113@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 30 Nov 2000 17:51:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: Nate Williams's message of "Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:46:53 -0700 (MST)" Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nate Williams writes: > Are you confusing 'DSP chip' with 'sound chip'? Maybe you need to clean > your glasses! :) I wear contacts. And yes, I'm used to "DSP" meaning "audio codec", though I realize now that it applies just as well to a modem. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 9:35:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08AD37B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:35:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 141Xbp-00034n-00 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:35:01 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:35:00 -0500 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wavelan base stations (Re: Aviator 2.4) Message-ID: <20001130123500.B16547@pir.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200011280746.eAS7klc01290@zorba.sf-bay.org> <20001128130551.B4237@pir.net> <14885.57818.459878.510449@kitab.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <14885.57818.459878.510449@kitab.cisco.com>; from raj@cisco.com on Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 09:21:45PM -0800 X-fish: < Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Richard Johnson probably said: > It's not really "random". The network name is set to the last 6 > characters of the box serial number. You can't change it, however. On mine it isn't any section of the box's serial number. The hardware does let you change the network name, it only forces the first six characters of the name ... so you can make it longer, you just can't change the first 6 characters. > You are FORCED to use encryption and the encryption key MUST be > exactly 5 ascii characters. The ascii code for those characters > becomes the 40 bit encryption key. The _software_ forces you to use encryption and with that key. The _hardware_ is perfectly capable of doing everything an airport base station can do - no encryption, changing the SNMP community string, etc, but Lucent's configuration _software_ for it is crippled. Point the java airport configurator at it with the SNMP community string 'public'. Other than the stupidity with the first 6 chars of the network name it's an airport. The guts are _identical_ apart from the LEDs and the firmware. > I'm thinking about writing up a web page explaining the differences > between the Airport, RG-1000, and Cabletron RoamAbout systems. It > just happens that I have the Cabletron system and two of my relatives > have the other two so I have good experience with each. :) Not messed with the Cabletron stuff, but I have an RG-1000 and an airport. P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 10:29:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C7837B400; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:29:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA07319; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:29:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eAUIT5p30001; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:29:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200011301829.eAUIT5p30001@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Cc: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, Gunnar Flygt , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can this really be true? FreeBSD not working on IBM T20's In-Reply-To: <14886.38595.425732.755712@nomad.yogotech.com> References: <20001130180724.A45345@sr.se> <200011301739.eAUHdjk00582@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <14886.38595.425732.755712@nomad.yogotech.com> Comments: In-reply-to Nate Williams message dated "Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:04:51 -0700." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1504286224P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:29:05 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_1504286224P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm going to try to move this to -mobile where it belongs... If memory serves me right, Nate Williams wrote: > > As I read it, some people have had success and others haven't. It's > > difficult to figure out what the problem is, since there are so many > > variables involved and the messages in the thread don't always have the > > details needed to fully analyze the problem. > > I think Ken Key's experience points to it being a partitionID problem, > since he's done the most testing. Ken's messages indicated that he'd tested on the A21P and the T21. In two separate posts, he said that "we have a couple of T20s' [sic] running FreeBSD". I am cautiously optimistic about getting a T20 to work, based on this info, and some email I've exchanged off-list with one of my cow-orkers. This is what I meant by "lots of variables"...one of the problems is that we can't lump all of the "newer generation ThinkPads" together. Bruce. --==_Exmh_1504286224P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE6Jpxw2MoxcVugUsMRAqCLAJ9Er9WhdLdWgByv/HY8HweF27EwPACdFpSG sThoeD7z16lICDCT/XXKt4A= =iCJW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1504286224P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 12:43:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic.adaptec.com [208.236.45.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419C437B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:43:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from redfish.adaptec.com (redfish.adaptec.com [162.62.50.11]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26961; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from btc.btc.adaptec.com (btc.btc.adaptec.com [162.62.64.10]) by redfish.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13419; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:37:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from btcexc01.btc.adaptec.com (btcexc01 [162.62.147.10]) by btc.btc.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00315; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:42:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by btcexc01.btc.adaptec.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:42:44 -0700 Message-ID: <7C2FD0FC33C3D411BB580000D11ABE9219E414@btcexc01.btc.adaptec.com> From: "Long, Scott" To: "'Darrell Anderson'" , "'freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: ESS Maestro 3i sound? Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:42:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I started porting Zach's driver last night. Unfortunately, my laptop also suffered a major failure not long after that, so when I will be done is dependant on how long it takes to get my laptop replaced. The driver is fairly easy; I expect to have something within 4-5 days after I get a working laptop. To complicate things though, the firmware for the card's DSP is GPL'd, so I need to get it relicensed before I would do a final release. Out of curiosity, what PCI ID is reported for your chip when FreeBSD boots? If you're interested, I'll update you when I have something that you can play with. Scott > Is anyone working on ESS Maestro 3i sound support? I see a few old > messages in FreeBSD-mobile, and linux drivers courtesy of Zach Brown > (www.zabbo.net/maestro3) and OSS (www.opensound.com). > Just for kicks I added the Maestro 3i PCI id to the Maestro 2 driver; > needless to say that didn't get me very far. > -Darrell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 13:35:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ipeg.com (mail.ipeg.com [206.96.184.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C3737B404 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:35:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from toolbuilders.com (206-96-185-112.ipeg.com [206.96.185.112]) by mail.ipeg.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAULZUK17960 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:35:30 -0800 Message-Id: <200011302135.eAULZUK17960@mail.ipeg.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Buying a new laptop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:26:31 -0800 From: dmitry Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am about to purchase a new laptop with a following specs: * 20 G Hard Drive * Sound Card with DTS/PCM out (dolby digital 6-channel (5.1) optical output) * 8x DVD * 15.1+ SVGA+ screen (1280x1024 or more) ... (1600x1200 would be really nice) * 16 M video ram * LS120 Basically, I need a new laptop for school/work/home entertainment. I'll be running -stable, XEmacs, apsfilter and Divx :-) Thats about it. I have considered Gateway 9xxx, Dell Inspiron 5000x, M-Tech and others. It comes down to be ~ $3000. Blah, blah blah ... here is my question. 2 of them: 1) Do guys think getting an extended warranty / service plans is a good idea? 2) Has anyone (used_one || needed_one) before? 3) Has anyone (used_one && needed_one) before? 4) What machine would you recommend? Thank you, d ---------------------------------------------- Tip: umm ... exmh + nmh = bad_ass email client ---------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 14: 7:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8DF37B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:07:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from lungfish.ntlworld.com ([62.255.98.3]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20001130220704.CWYZ16674.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@lungfish.ntlworld.com>; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:07:04 +0000 Received: (from scott@localhost) by lungfish.ntlworld.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01898; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:06:27 GMT (envelope-from scott) Message-ID: <20001130220627.49915@localhost> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:06:27 +0000 From: Scott Mitchell To: Douglas Berry , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: xe0: Sorry, your CE card is not supported :( References: <200011301600.LAA14591@monk.cancom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <200011301600.LAA14591@monk.cancom.net>; from Douglas Berry on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 11:00:15AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 11:00:15AM -0500, Douglas Berry wrote: > Should i be able to use a ``Xircom CreditCard 10Base-T PS-CE2-10 > 2.02'' under FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE? The CE2 is nominally supported (in that there's code in the driver for it), but I've been hampered by not actually having one around to test and debug with. There's now a CE2 on it's way to me, so I hope to be able to iron out the kinks with these cards reasonably soon. Your CE2 is apparently being probed as a CE, an earlier model that definitely isn't supported. You could try tweaking your pccard memory settings and the IRQ used by the card, but I doubt it will do much good until the driver code is updated. Sorry I can't offer you a better answer just yet :-( Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID | "Eagles may soar, but weasels Cambridge, England | 0x54B171B9 | don't get sucked into jet engines" scott.mitchell@mail.com | 0xAA775B8B | -- Anon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 14:15:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B765637B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:15:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from cold.cs.duke.edu (cold.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.78]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29304; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:15:29 -0500 (EST) From: Darrell Anderson Received: (anderson@localhost) by cold.cs.duke.edu (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA02229; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:15:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200011302215.RAA02229@cold.cs.duke.edu> Subject: Re: ESS Maestro 3i sound? To: scott_long@btc.adaptec.com (Long, Scott) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:15:29 -0500 (EST) Cc: anderson@cs.duke.edu ('Darrell Anderson'), freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org ('freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org') In-Reply-To: <7C2FD0FC33C3D411BB580000D11ABE9219E414@btcexc01.btc.adaptec.com> from "Long, Scott" at Nov 30, 2000 01:42:43 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Long, Scott wrote: > > I started porting Zach's driver last night. Unfortunately, my laptop also > suffered a major failure not long after that, so when I will be done is > dependant on how long it takes to get my laptop replaced. The driver is > fairly easy; I expect to have something within 4-5 days after I get a > working laptop. To complicate things though, the firmware for the card's > DSP is GPL'd, so I need to get it relicensed before I would do a final > release. Out of curiosity, what PCI ID is reported for your chip when > FreeBSD boots? If you're interested, I'll update you when I have something > that you can play with. Heh, I was working on a driver last night too. I started with Cameron Grant's pcm template, merging Zach's card-specific configuration (including the firmware). I've also used the ESS docs to sanity check some magic numbers. pcm template http://people.freebsd.org/~cg/template.c ESS docs http://virgo.caltech.edu/~dmoore/maestro3.pdf.gz [ES1983==pci1998] It does "something," generating nice static when writing /dev/audio (the same data to a pca /dev/pcaudio produces low quality, but correct audio). The chip DMA pointer cycles through the expect physical address range. Mine is an ES1983 Maestro-3i, pci 0x125d1998, in a Dell Inspiron 4000. FreeBSD reports the correct pci id. I'm not a driver guru, I'm very interested in help and/or an independently written working driver. (: I'm also happy to share what I've got so far. -Darrell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 15:32:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681B137B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:32:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@dhcp246.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.246]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAUNW9C76923; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:32:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200011302135.eAULZUK17960@mail.ipeg.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:32:30 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: dmitry Subject: RE: Buying a new laptop Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 30-Nov-00 dmitry wrote: > Hello, > > I am about to purchase a new laptop with a following specs: I have a Dell Inspiron 5000e with the 1600x1200 display. cardbus works in current with a hack, pccard works fine, sound works fine, apm doesn't work. (I may get around to fixing that someday though.) acpi currently doesn't work on it either. X works in 1600x1200, but it takes some work. I haven't tried the 3.3.6 X bits that come with 4.2, which may work fine. However, X 4.0.1 has a bug and doesn't work out of the box. I had to use cvsup to grab the X sources out of the tree and use that to compile an X server. AccelX's server will work fine on the 5000e though, and even supports using an external monitor as a dual-head, etc. I like it fine, though I mainly wanted it for the screen. :) -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 15:39:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-178-34.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.178.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E0637B402; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:39:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAUNm1F00969; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:48:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011302348.eAUNm1F00969@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can this really be true? FreeBSD not working on IBM T20's In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:29:05 PST." <200011301829.eAUIT5p30001@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:48:01 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Ken's messages indicated that he'd tested on the A21P and the T21. In > two separate posts, he said that "we have a couple of T20s' [sic] > running FreeBSD". > > I am cautiously optimistic about getting a T20 to work, based on this > info, and some email I've exchanged off-list with one of my cow-orkers. > > This is what I meant by "lots of variables"...one of the problems is > that we can't lump all of the "newer generation ThinkPads" together. I can confirm that the T20, more specifically Type 2627-41U aka 'Toronto' running BIOS 1.00 IYET33WW is not susceptible to this problem. I wasn't able to try any later BIOS code on this machine (but may be able to given further time). From other reports, I am fairly confident that this BIOS family (IYET) is not affected. I can also confirm that the X20, Type 2662-21U aka 'Sydney' running BIOS 1.05 IZET37WW is also not affected. From other reports in the field, I am fairly confident that this BIOS family (IZET) is not affected. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 15:52:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-178-34.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.178.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA5B37B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:52:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eB100TF01034; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:00:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200012010000.eB100TF01034@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: dmitry Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Buying a new laptop In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:26:31 PST." <200011302135.eAULZUK17960@mail.ipeg.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:00:29 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hello, > > Basically, I need a new laptop for school/work/home entertainment. I'll be > running -stable, XEmacs, apsfilter and Divx :-) Thats about it. > > I have considered Gateway 9xxx, Dell Inspiron 5000x, M-Tech and others. It > comes down to be ~ $3000. Dell 5000e with the 1600x1200 screen. Nothing else comparable right now. Lots of options at 1400x1040 now (Dell, IBM, Sony) > Blah, blah blah ... here is my question. 2 of them: > > 1) Do guys think getting an extended warranty / service plans is a good idea? Yes. > 2) Has anyone (used_one || needed_one) before? Yes, I have the 3-year warranty on my Dell i7500. > 3) Has anyone (used_one && needed_one) before? Yes. If I didn't have it, I'd be SOL because it's taken me over a year to get around to getting my noisy but functional disk replaced. 8) > 4) What machine would you recommend? If you want a big screen, there is no competition; the Dell (with what is actually a Toshiba panel) is the uncontested winner. I'm pretty happy at 1400x1050, but the i7500 is a monster. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 16:30:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from hackme.spy.org (unknown [198.232.139.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DAF4F37B401 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:30:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2497 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2000 00:20:50 -0000 Received: from spy.org (ircuzr@198.232.139.1) by spy.org with SMTP; 1 Dec 2000 00:20:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:20:50 -0700 (MST) From: "Scott D. Yelich" X-Sender: scott@hackme.spy.org To: Mike Smith Cc: dmitry , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Buying a new laptop In-Reply-To: <200012010000.eB100TF01034@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Mike Smith wrote: > > I have considered Gateway 9xxx, Dell Inspiron 5000x, M-Tech and others. It > > comes down to be ~ $3000. > Dell 5000e with the 1600x1200 screen. Nothing else comparable right now. > Lots of options at 1400x1040 now (Dell, IBM, Sony) I have [had] several gateway solos 9xxxs. You can get them with large[r] screens -- perhaps even 1600x1200. The problem is the maestro 2e -- I can't record sound. I would really like to get sphynx running. I also can't seem to get apm to work. I get about 10 minutes running freebsd on my battery. shutdown doesn't/can't power off my machine. As a side note... you can crash freebsd 100% of the time.... no warnings, cores, errors or anything -- just *blink* reboot when you put in a scsi pcmcia, and then take it out.. and then run cdcontrol to eject a scsi cd device. ick! Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 16:44:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0C437B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:44:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15199; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:44:25 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001130174129.0485ed40@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:44:17 -0700 To: Stacy Millions From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newerThinkpads Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3A266DD8.BCA593D0@Millions.CA> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001129110537.0498b6c0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20001129205937.043ff770@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:10 AM 11/30/2000, Stacy Millions wrote: >I like a good round of IBM bashing as much as the next guy :-) >But I think your expectations for warranty repair is a little out of >whack. I agree that seven days without a laptop is a long time, but >I don't expect expedited service without paying for it (either >on a case by case basis or with a service contract). They didn't offer it. In fact, they did several things which unnecessarily delayed the repair. We ended up paying big bucks to get a second, reconditioned machine of the same model so as to keep going while the other was gone. And -- guess what? Even though it came in a sealed IBM box, with markings indicating that it had been reconditioned by IBM itself, it failed before the first got back from the shop. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 17:16:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n37.san.rr.com (dt051n37.san.rr.com [204.210.32.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DB337B404; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:16:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from slave (Studded@slave [10.0.0.1]) by dt051n37.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA70005; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:16:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:16:52 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Barton X-Sender: doug@dt051n37.san.rr.com To: Mike Smith Cc: "Kevin G. Eliuk" , jamin@eecs.umich.edu, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-Reply-To: <200011281624.eASGOdF25354@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Mike Smith wrote: > > Sugih Jamin wrote: > > > > > FreeBSD - Unable to boot OS after installation on > > > IBM Thinkpad A20, A21, T20, T21, or X20. > > > > Question: Does IBM reserve space on the HDD of their laptops for system BIOS > > that would cause such a problem in the event of a dedicated installation? > > No. Some fool at IBM (or whomever they contracted the BIOS development > out to) decided to use partition ID 165 for the suspend-to-disk > partition, There was some discussion being kicked around by reliable sources recently that the actual problem is that the BIOS decides to blat the first partition whose type it does not recognize, rather than picking on 165 specifically. This is only slightly less stupid, but probably easier to fix. Doug -- So what I want to know is, where does the RED brick road go? Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 17:21: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF14437B401; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:21:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eB11L2Q75437; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:21:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA33197; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:21:02 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200012010121.SAA33197@harmony.village.org> To: "Scott D. Yelich" Subject: Re: Buying a new laptop Cc: Mike Smith , dmitry , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:20:50 MST." References: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:21:02 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message "Scott D. Yelich" writes: : As a side note... you can crash freebsd 100% of the time.... no : warnings, cores, errors or anything -- just *blink* reboot when you put : in a scsi pcmcia, and then take it out.. and then run cdcontrol to eject : a scsi cd device. ick! Which scsi card? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 17:28:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-178-34.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.178.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 945A537B401 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:28:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eB11afF01400; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:36:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200012010136.eB11afF01400@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Doug Barton Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:16:52 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:36:41 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > There was some discussion being kicked around by reliable sources > recently that the actual problem is that the BIOS decides to blat the > first partition whose type it does not recognize, rather than picking on > 165 specifically. This is only slightly less stupid, but probably easier > to fix. I'm in the process of digging a contact out in IBM's Thinkpad division (I have some reasonable leads right now) and have been doing a fair amount of testing on the systems available to me in support of this. Hopefully I'll have some better information, and ideally some results fairly soon. Until then, and unless we see some BIOS disassembly going on, I'd be inclined to defer any further speculation. I'll get back to the list when I know more. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 17:43:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from hackme.spy.org (unknown [198.232.139.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1392737B401 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:43:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2873 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2000 01:34:01 -0000 Received: from spy.org (ircuzr@198.232.139.1) by spy.org with SMTP; 1 Dec 2000 01:34:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:34:01 -0700 (MST) From: "Scott D. Yelich" X-Sender: scott@hackme.spy.org To: Warner Losh Cc: Mike Smith , dmitry , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Buying a new laptop In-Reply-To: <200012010121.SAA33197@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > In message "Scott D. Yelich" writes: > : As a side note... you can crash freebsd 100% of the time.... no > : warnings, cores, errors or anything -- just *blink* reboot when you put > : in a scsi pcmcia, and then take it out.. and then run cdcontrol to eject > : a scsi cd device. ick! > Which scsi card? > Warner free [85]> \dmesg | perl -p0e 's/.*\nF/F/s;' | egrep -i scsi aic1: at port 0x340-0x35f irq 11 slot 1 on pccard1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 17:51:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E95737B400; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:51:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eB11pKQ75582; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:51:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA33486; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:51:17 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200012010151.SAA33486@harmony.village.org> To: "Scott D. Yelich" Subject: Re: Buying a new laptop Cc: Mike Smith , dmitry , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:34:01 MST." References: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:51:17 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message "Scott D. Yelich" writes: : free [85]> \dmesg | perl -p0e 's/.*\nF/F/s;' | egrep -i scsi : aic1: at port 0x340-0x35f irq 11 slot 1 on pccard1 OK. So you insert this card, run camcontrol rescan (which I think is implicit in the current pccard.conf) the cdrom probes, you then eject the card and run camcontrol eject and it reboots? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 21: 8:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7346937B401; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:08:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28190; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:08:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29496; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:08:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14887.12853.75990.147280@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:08:05 -0700 (MST) To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads In-Reply-To: <200012010136.eB11afF01400@mass.osd.bsdi.com> References: <200012010136.eB11afF01400@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > There was some discussion being kicked around by reliable sources > > recently that the actual problem is that the BIOS decides to blat the > > first partition whose type it does not recognize, rather than picking on > > 165 specifically. This is only slightly less stupid, but probably easier > > to fix. > > I'm in the process of digging a contact out in IBM's Thinkpad division (I > have some reasonable leads right now) and have been doing a fair amount > of testing on the systems available to me in support of this. > > Hopefully I'll have some better information, and ideally some results > fairly soon. Until then, and unless we see some BIOS disassembly going > on, I'd be inclined to defer any further speculation. Thanks Mike! Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 21:33:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com [171.71.163.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF4F37B400; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:33:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA13206; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:33:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eB15XpK38468; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:33:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200012010533.eB15XpK38468@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Mike Smith Cc: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can this really be true? FreeBSD not working on IBM T20's In-Reply-To: <200011302348.eAUNm1F00969@mass.osd.bsdi.com> References: <200011302348.eAUNm1F00969@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Comments: In-reply-to Mike Smith message dated "Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:48:01 -0800." From: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1981779724P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:33:50 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-1981779724P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Mike Smith wrote: > I can confirm that the T20, more specifically Type 2627-41U aka 'Toronto' > running BIOS 1.00 IYET33WW is not susceptible to this problem. I wasn't > able to try any later BIOS code on this machine (but may be able to given > further time). From other reports, I am fairly confident that this BIOS > family (IYET) is not affected. > > I can also confirm that the X20, Type 2662-21U aka 'Sydney' running BIOS > 1.05 IZET37WW is also not affected. From other reports in the field, I > am fairly confident that this BIOS family (IZET) is not affected. Mike, thanks very much for this extremely detailed information. I have a T20, type 2647-86U, with BIOS 1.03 (IYET37WW) at my disposal. I'm hoping to try a FreeBSD install on it soon, but I need to do it carefully so as to preserve the Win2K install on the disk. I'll report results once I have them (hopefully soon enough to still be timely). Bruce. --==_Exmh_-1981779724P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE6Jzg+2MoxcVugUsMRAoA0AKCscQ7xNpjUNF77/9RZRVW2BKdwuACgsW1R 1FTMJ5ZJW2q4GATNZo+eH44= =CS8E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1981779724P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 30 22:42:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.ispol.com (unknown [206.239.103.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3558237B400 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:42:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (grisha@localhost) by saturn.ispol.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23834 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 01:42:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 01:42:24 -0500 (EST) From: Gregory Trubetskoy To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: airport firmware - help! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Is there a way to get an apple airport firmware file without having a Macintosh? (The files downloadable from Apple are in some strange smi format) Is it downloadable from somewhere or could someone posibly e-mail me theirs? Any help would be very much appreciated, Grisha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Dec 1 2:28:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from fiji.cs.washington.edu (fiji.cs.washington.edu [128.95.8.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E110337B401; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 02:28:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from shum@localhost) by fiji.cs.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/0.4) id CAA22183; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 02:28:49 -0800 (envelope-from shum) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 02:28:49 -0800 Message-Id: <200012011028.CAA22183@fiji.cs.washington.edu> From: Leo Shum To: DougB@gorean.org, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, msmith@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Thinkpads Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Couple months ago, I posted a rather long message to the mailing list about my experience with the T20. To make the long story short, my FreeBSD 4.1 works very well on the T20 (other than the sound card -- which never worked.) I have it dual-booted with the first partition as Win98 on a FAT32 partition. For some reason, I changed the first parition ID to some random number (but not 165.) and the laptop failed to boot. I had to change it back to a "BIOS supported partition ID" before it could boot again. It seems to me that the BIOS (at least on my T20) cares only about the first partition ID. BTW, for the whole time, I use a boot program called OS-BS instead of boot0. Its size is definitely bigger than 512 bytes (and probably more than 1024 bytes.) I even have the active partition set to the FreeBSD partition. They work just fine. I still, however, cannot have my sound card configured correctly. It is behaving rather non-deterministically. Some time ago, both the csa and pcm drivers attached OK but it would report "channel dead" when I tried to play a wave file. Recently, pcm0 even fails to attach and returns 6. Leo > > > > No. Some fool at IBM (or whomever they contracted the BIOS development > > out to) decided to use partition ID 165 for the suspend-to-disk > > partition, > > There was some discussion being kicked around by reliable sources > recently that the actual problem is that the BIOS decides to blat the > first partition whose type it does not recognize, rather than picking on > 165 specifically. This is only slightly less stupid, but probably easier > to fix. > > Doug > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Dec 1 3: 8:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from dart.sr.se (dart.SR.SE [193.12.91.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CDB37B400 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 03:08:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from honken.sr.se ([134.25.128.27]) by dart.sr.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02860 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:08:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from gunnar@pluto.sr.se) Received: from pluto.sr.se (pluto.SR.SE [134.25.193.91]) by honken.sr.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA87705 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:08:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from gunnar@pluto.sr.se) Received: (from gunnar@localhost) by pluto.sr.se (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eB1B8nr67968 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:08:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from gunnar) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:08:49 +0100 From: Gunnar Flygt To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Laptop choice. Which one? Message-ID: <20001201120849.B66632@sr.se> Reply-To: Gunnar Flygt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm going to buy a laptop (or rather my company is buying one for me) Any suggestions to what would be a good choice for FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE. -- __o regards, Gunnar ---_ \<,_ email: flygt@sr.se ---- (_)/ (_) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Dec 1 4: 4:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from puck.firepipe.net (mcut-b-167.resnet.purdue.edu [128.211.209.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D958A37B401 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 04:04:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by puck.firepipe.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 943C31AC4; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 07:04:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 07:04:41 -0500 From: Will Andrews To: Gunnar Flygt Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Laptop choice. Which one? Message-ID: <20001201070441.F559@puck.firepipe.net> Reply-To: Will Andrews References: <20001201120849.B66632@sr.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001201120849.B66632@sr.se>; from gunnar@pluto.sr.se on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:08:49PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:08:49PM +0100, Gunnar Flygt wrote: > I'm going to buy a laptop (or rather my company is buying one for me) > Any suggestions to what would be a good choice for FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE. Yes -- search the mobile archive.. LOTS of folks have asked this question, and there's always the same consensus over and over.. -- wca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Dec 1 6:16:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from sunpal1.mit.edu (SUNPAL1.MIT.EDU [18.62.1.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542E837B400 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 06:16:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wjc@localhost) by sunpal1.mit.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) id JAA09509; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:16:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:16:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200012011416.JAA09509@sunpal1.mit.edu> From: Bill Chiarchiaro To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: -STABLE PNPBIOS / PC Card / Sound problem on IBM 600E Reply-To: wjc@work.cleartech.com Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've run into a problem going from 4.1-RELEASE to -STABLE on my IBM 600E. The machine is experiencing hangs, apparently related to the PNPBIOS kernel option. Under 4.1-RELEASE, I had included 'options PNPBIOS' and 'device pcm' in my kernel conf file to get the sound hardware to work. Sound worked well, except for the known problems of non-deterministic probing, driver confusion across an APM suspend / resume cycle, and low record volume (I've seen Jonathan Chen's sys/conf/files patch for the first problem, and I've found fixes from the Linux folks for the other two). A nearly full set of sample rate, data format, and mono / stereo capabilities was reported by 'mpg123 -vv'. On November 13, I started to track -STABLE. I used my existing conf file to build a new kernel. The updated system booted to multi-user, I logged in, and it hanged after about 30 seconds. When this problem occurs, there is no panic or other message. The system does not respond to the keyboard; I can't even drop into the kernel debugger. However, some interrupt processing still takes place. If I pull a PC Card, a removal message is printed on the console. I power cycled the system and booted single-user. I built another kernel using the -STABLE GENERIC conf file. The system worked fine single-user, and it worked fine multi-user with the GENERIC kernel. I began trimming the conf file and adding back the features I needed. I most recently synced with -STABLE on November 28, and the problem is still present. Here's what I've been able to determine: The problem happens only if 'options PNPBIOS' is in the kernel conf. The problem is stimulated by PC Card activities. The PC Cards I'm using are a 3Com 3CXM556 modem and a 3Com 3C589D NIC. The guilty activities have changed as I've varied the kernel conf file or made other changes to the source. At first, the guilty activities were: Booting with PC Cards installed. Removing or inserting a card once the system was running. Trying to use a card (e.g. invoking kermit on the modem). As of now, the only guilty activity is booting with the cards installed. If I insert them after the system is up, the problem does not occur (I can remove and insert repeatedly and make use of the cards). I have applied Jonathan Chen's sys/conf/files patch, and pcm0 is being found at boot time. Unfortunately, the set of capabilities as reported by 'mpg123 -vv' is now very meager --- just mono at 8,000 and 11,025 samples/second. This is with 'options PNPBIOS' and 'device pcm' in the kernel conf. The behavior is the same whether or not 'device csa' is also in the conf. I wondered if the hanging problem is due to an interrupt conflict, but why wouldn't it have been a problem under 4.1-RELEASE? Appended below are a cat of /dev/sndstat, the output of 'vmstat -i', my current kernel conf, and a recent /var/run/dmesg.boot. This kernel conf and the dmesg.boot are with 'device csa'. The system was booted without the CD-ROM drive installed (which uses ata1 / irq15 when installed). Suggestions, anyone? Thanks, Bill Chiarchiaro wjc@work.cleartech.com FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Nov 30 2000 17:06:32 Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0x530 irq 5 drq 1:0 (1p/1r channels duplex) interrupt total rate stray irq10 2 0 ata0 irq14 57052 1 fdc0 irq6 3 0 atkbd0 irq1 17333 0 psm0 irq12 84900 1 pcic0 irq3 22 0 sio0 irq4 2333 0 ppc0 irq7 1 0 pcm0 irq5 270 0 clk irq0 4743370 99 rtc irq8 6071836 127 ep0 irq10 734543 15 sio4 irq9 317 0 Total 11711982 246 # # ROSENECK -- IBM ThinkPad 600E kernel configuration file for FreeBSD/i386 # # For more information on this file, please read the handbook section on # Kernel Configuration Files: # # http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/kernelconfig-config.html # # The handbook is also available locally in /usr/share/doc/handbook # if you've installed the doc distribution, otherwise always see the # FreeBSD World Wide Web server (http://www.FreeBSD.org/) for the # latest information. # # An exhaustive list of options and more detailed explanations of the # device lines is also present in the ./LINT configuration file. If you are # in doubt as to the purpose or necessity of a line, check first in LINT. # # $FreeBSD: src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC,v 1.246.2.20 2000/10/31 23:16:07 n_hibma Exp $ machine i386 cpu I686_CPU ident ROSENECK maxusers 32 options DDB options INCLUDE_CONFIG_FILE #Include this file in kernel options INET #InterNETworking options INET6 #IPv6 communications protocols options IPSEC #IP security options IPSEC_ESP #IP security (crypto; define w/ IPSEC) options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options SOFTUPDATES #Enable FFS soft updates support options MFS #Memory Filesystem options MD_ROOT #MD is a potential root device options NFS #Network Filesystem options NFS_ROOT #NFS usable as root device, NFS required options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options CD9660 #ISO 9660 Filesystem options CD9660_ROOT #CD-ROM usable as root, CD9660 required options PROCFS #Process filesystem options KERNFS #Kernel filesystem options CODA #CODA filesystem. options COMPAT_43 #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor options KTRACE #ktrace(1) support options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores options P1003_1B #Posix P1003_1B real-time extensions options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING options _KPOSIX_VERSION=199309L options PERFMON options ICMP_BANDLIM #Rate limit bad replies options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev options IPFILTER #ipfilter support options IPFILTER_DEFAULT_BLOCK options IPFILTER_LOG #ipfilter logging options IPSTEALTH #support for stealth forwarding options TCP_DROP_SYNFIN #drop TCP packets with SYN+FIN options TCP_RESTRICT_RST #restrict emission of TCP RST options PERFMON device isa device pci # Floppy drives device fdc0 at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2 device fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives options ATA_STATIC_ID #Static device numbering options ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA #Enable DMA on ATAPI devices # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1 device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 device vga0 at isa? # splash screen/screen saver pseudo-device splash # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? flags 0x100 options SC_DISABLE_REBOOT # disable reboot key sequence # Floating point support - do not disable. device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 # Power management support (see LINT for more options) device apm0 at nexus? # Advanced Power Management # PCCARD (PCMCIA) support device card device pcic0 at isa? # Serial (COM) ports device sio0 at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4 device sio1 at isa? disable device sio2 at isa? disable device sio3 at isa? disable # Parallel port device ppc0 at isa? irq 7 port 0x3bc flags 0x8 device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) device lpt # Printer device plip # TCP/IP over parallel device ppi # Parallel port interface device # ISA Ethernet NICs. device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 device ep # WaveLAN/IEEE 802.11 wireless NICs. Note: the WaveLAN/IEEE really # exists only as a PCMCIA device, so there is no ISA attatement needed # and resources will always be dynamically assigned by the pccard code. device wi # Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocated. pseudo-device loop # Network loopback pseudo-device ether # Ethernet support pseudo-device sl 1 # Kernel SLIP pseudo-device ppp 2 # Kernel PPP pseudo-device tun # Packet tunnel. pseudo-device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) pseudo-device md # Memory "disks" pseudo-device gif 4 # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling pseudo-device faith 1 # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) pseudo-device stf 1 #6to4 IPv6 over IPv4 encapsulation pseudo-device vn #Vnode driver (turns a file into a device) pseudo-device snp 3 #Snoop device - to look at pty/vty/etc.. pseudo-device vcoda 4 #coda minicache <-> venus comm. # The `bpf' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! pseudo-device bpf #Berkeley packet filter # USB support #device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface #device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface #device usb # USB Bus (required) #device ugen # Generic #device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" #device ukbd # Keyboard #device ulpt # Printer #device ums # Mouse #device uscanner # Scanners options PNPBIOS device pcm device csa #device pcm0 at isa? port 0x530 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x10 #device snd #device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #5: Thu Nov 30 18:00:52 EST 2000 wjc@roseneck.cleartech.com:/home/wjc/FreeBSD-T-RELENG_4/src/sys/compile/ROSENECK Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium II/Pentium II Xeon/Celeron (363.96-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x66a Stepping = 10 Features=0x183f9ff real memory = 134021120 (130880K bytes) config> di sio1 config> di sn0 No such device: sn0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di lnc0 No such device: lnc0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di le0 No such device: le0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di ie0 No such device: ie0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di fe0 No such device: fe0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di ed0 config> di cs0 No such device: cs0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di bt0 No such device: bt0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di ata1 No such device: ata1 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di aic0 No such device: aic0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di aha0 No such device: aha0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di adv0 No such device: adv0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> en pcic0 config> po pcic0 0x3e0 config> ir pcic0 3 config> iom pcic0 0xd0000 config> f pcic0 0 config> q avail memory = 126664704 (123696K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc03c6000. Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc03c609c. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled md0: Malloc disk apm0: on motherboard apm: found APM BIOS v1.2, connected at v1.2 npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 pci1: at 0.0 irq 11 pcic-pci0: mem 0x50102000-0x50102fff irq 11 at device 2.0 on pci0 pcic-pci0: TI12XX PCI Config Reg: [ring enable][speaker enable][pwr save][CSC parallel isa irq] pcic-pci1: mem 0x50101000-0x50101fff irq 11 at device 2.1 on pci0 pcic-pci1: TI12XX PCI Config Reg: [ring enable][speaker enable][pwr save][CSC parallel isa irq] csa0: mem 0x50000000-0x500fffff,0x50100000-0x50100fff irq 11 at device 6.0 on pci0 device_probe_and_attach: csa0 attach returned 6 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xfcf0-0xfcff at device 7.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 pci0: at 7.2 irq 11 chip1: port 0xefa0-0xefaf at device 7.3 on pci0 fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> pcic0: at port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd0000 irq 3 drq 0 on isa0 pcic0: management irq 3 pccard0: on pcic0 pccard1: on pcic0 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A ppc0: at port 0x3bc-0x3bf irq 7 flags 0x8 on isa0 ppc0: Generic chipset (ECP-only) in ECP mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 plip0: on ppbus0 unknown: can't assign resources unknown: can't assign resources unknown: can't assign resources unknown: can't assign resources unknown: can't assign resources unknown: can't assign resources pcm0: at port 0x530-0x537,0x388-0x38b,0x220-0x233 irq 5 drq 1,0 on isa0 unknown: can't assign resources unknown: can't assign resources unknown: can't assign resources unknown: can't assign resources IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing. IP Filter: v3.4.8 initialized. Default = block all, Logging = enabled ad0: 11513MB [23392/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Dec 1 9:29:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1E337B400 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:29:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from rune2 (1Cust101.tnt9.baton-rouge.la.da.uu.net [63.15.171.101]) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA26527 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:29:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Arun Welch" To: Subject: Adaptec 1480A PCMCIA Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:25:27 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is this supported (in either -stable or -current)? I suspect not, but thought I'd check. ...arun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Dec 1 11:29: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from p51.nitrous.net (p51.nitrous.net [207.138.102.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3913C37B400 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:29:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from denver@localhost) by p51.nitrous.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eB1JShh19311; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:28:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from denver) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:28:42 -0700 From: Denver Maddux To: dmitry Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Buying a new laptop Message-ID: <20001201122842.A16832@nitrous.net> References: <200011302135.eAULZUK17960@mail.ipeg.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200011302135.eAULZUK17960@mail.ipeg.com>; from dvk@toolbuilders.com on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 08:26:31AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org dmitry wrote: > 1) Do guys think getting an extended warranty / service plans is a good idea? Very good idea. Any problems w/o a warranty are going to be a nightmare IMO to get resolved. > 2) Has anyone (used_one || needed_one) before? Repeatedly. > 3) Has anyone (used_one && needed_one) before? Rinse and repeat. > 4) What machine would you recommend? I have a Dell Inspiron 5000 right now that I am currently having a love affair with. Most everything worked right out of the box, with the exceptions being suspend-to-disk. Suspend works, shutdown -p works, blah blah blah. I use a limited set of pcmcia cards (waveland and a modem card) but they work all of the time. The 5000 is a bit bulky (not like the 7500 at all) weighing in at ~7.7 pounds with both batteries in. I get 6 hours and 40 minutes (supposedly) of battery life with both in. That's my $0.02 -D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Dec 1 11:46:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from good.gulp.org (mail.gulp.org [204.245.54.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E2437B400 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:46:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from scarter@localhost) by good.gulp.org (8.11.1/Booger-fling-RELEASE1.2) id eB1Jk0W51679; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:46:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scarter@gblx.net) X-Authentication-Warning: good.gulp.org: scarter set sender to scarter@gblx.net using -f Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:46:00 -0700 From: Steve Carter To: Denver Maddux Cc: dmitry , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Buying a new laptop Message-ID: <20001201124600.C51182@gblx.net> References: <200011302135.eAULZUK17960@mail.ipeg.com> <20001201122842.A16832@nitrous.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001201122842.A16832@nitrous.net>; from denver@nitrous.net on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:28:42PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Denver Maddux [001201 12:29]: > > 4) What machine would you recommend? > > I have a Dell Inspiron 5000 right now that I am currently having a > love affair with. Most everything worked right out of the box, with > the exceptions being suspend-to-disk. Suspend works, shutdown -p > works, blah blah blah. I use a limited set of pcmcia cards (waveland > and a modem card) but they work all of the time. I also have a Dell Inspiron 5000 and it works flawlessly and the installation was a breeze with no real problems ... I am currently in the process of getting an IBM T21 and a Dell Latitude C800. I'll keep the one I like and return the one I do not. I do have two problems w/ the 5000 though, it uses one of those touchscreen mouse devices and only has two buttons. Personal preferrence thing I know, but I prefer the IBM setup of a goober and three buttons. If I keep the Dell I will probably use an external mouse of some kind. I am hoping that the current IBM T21 problems are resolved or a work-around developed so I can get a fair comparison ... -Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Dec 1 13:14: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from west.lustig.com (west.lustig.com [209.157.26.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E44A37B400 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:13:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 55169 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2000 21:13:38 -0000 Received: from lustig.ne.mediaone.net (HELO devious.lustig.com) (@24.91.125.166) by west.lustig.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2000 21:13:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 8020 invoked by uid 1001); 1 Dec 2000 21:13:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20001201211336.8019.qmail@devious.lustig.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.2mach_patches v148.2) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.2mach_patches [i386] (Enhance 2.2p2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.148.2.RR) From: Barry Lustig Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:13:36 -0500 To: stable@freebsd.org, mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Boot problem with 4.2-STABLE on VAIO z505-LE Reply-To: barry@Lustig.COM X-Organizations: Barry Lustig & Associates, Inc. Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When I add "device umass" to my configuration I get the following failure on boot. I've added the configuration file at the end of this message. Any ideas? barry ok boot -v SMAP type=01 base=00000000 00000000 len=00000000 0009f800 SMAP type=02 base=00000000 0009f800 len=00000000 00000800 SMAP type=02 base=00000000 000e8400 len=00000000 00017c00 SMAP type=01 base=00000000 00100000 len=00000000 0bef0000 SMAP type=03 base=00000000 0bff0000 len=00000000 0000f800 SMAP type=04 base=00000000 0bfff800 len=00000000 00000800 SMAP type=02 base=00000000 fff80000 len=00000000 00080000 Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #7: Fri Dec 1 14:08:28 EST 2000 barry@vaio.lustig.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/VAIO Calibrating clock(s) ... TSC clock: 645193534 Hz, i8254 clock: 1193167 Hz CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default frequency Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CLK_USE_TSC_CALIBRATION not specified - using old calibration method CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (645.21-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x683 Stepping = 3 Features=0x383f9ff real memory = 201261056 (196544K bytes) Physical memory chunk(s): 0x00001000 - 0x0009efff, 647168 bytes (158 pages) 0x00408000 - 0x0bfe7fff, 197001216 bytes (48096 pages) avail memory = 191856640 (187360K bytes) bios32: Found BIOS32 Service Directory header at 0xc00f6c10 bios32: Entry = 0xfd890 (c00fd890) Rev = 0 Len = 1 pcibios: PCI BIOS entry at 0x11e pnpbios: Found PnP BIOS data at 0xc00f6c40 pnpbios: Entry = f0000:b431 Rev = 1.0 pnpbios: Event flag at 400 Other BIOS signatures found: ACPI: 000f6bb0 Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc03e2000. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled md0: Malloc disk Creating DISK md0 Math emulator present pci_open(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x80003904 pci_open(1a): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000) pci_cfgcheck: device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=00] is there (id=71908086) apm0: on motherboard apm: found APM BIOS v1.2, connected at v1.2 npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pci_open(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x00000000 pci_open(1a): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000) pci_cfgcheck: device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=00] is there (id=71908086) pcib0: on motherboard found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7190, revid=0x03 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 map[10]: type 1, range 32, base 40000000, size 24 found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7191, revid=0x03 class=06-04-00, hdrtype=0x01, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=1 secondarybus=1 found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7110, revid=0x02 class=06-01-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7111, revid=0x01 class=01-01-80, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 map[20]: type 1, range 32, base 0000fc90, size 4 found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7112, revid=0x01 class=0c-03-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=d, irq=9 map[20]: type 1, range 32, base 0000fca0, size 5 found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7113, revid=0x03 class=06-80-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 map[90]: type 1, range 32, base 00001040, size 4 found-> vendor=0x104d, dev=0x8039, revid=0x02 class=0c-00-10, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=9 map[10]: type 1, range 32, base fedf7000, size 11 map[14]: type 1, range 32, base fedf7c00, size 9 found-> vendor=0x1073, dev=0x0010, revid=0x02 class=04-01-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=9 map[10]: type 1, range 32, base fedf8000, size 15 map[14]: type 1, range 32, base 0000fcc0, size 6 map[18]: type 3, range 32, base 0000fc8c, size 2 found-> vendor=0x14f1, dev=0x2443, revid=0x01 class=07-80-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=9 map[10]: type 1, range 32, base fede0000, size 16 map[14]: type 3, range 32, base 0000fc38, size 3 found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x1229, revid=0x08 class=02-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=9 map[10]: type 1, range 32, base fedf6000, size 12 map[14]: type 1, range 32, base 0000fc40, size 6 map[18]: type 1, range 32, base fec00000, size 20 found-> vendor=0x1180, dev=0x0475, revid=0x80 class=06-07-00, hdrtype=0x02, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=255 pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 found-> vendor=0x1002, dev=0x4c4d, revid=0x64 class=03-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=9 map[10]: type 1, range 32, base fd000000, size 24 map[14]: type 1, range 32, base 0000e800, size 8 map[18]: type 1, range 32, base febff000, size 12 pci1: on pcib1 pci1: (vendor=0x1002, dev=0x4c4d) at 0.0 irq 9 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xfc90-0xfc9f at device 7.1 on pci0 ata0: iobase=0x01f0 altiobase=0x03f6 bmaddr=0xfc90 ata0: mask=03 status0=50 status1=00 ata0: mask=03 ostat0=50 ostat2=00 ata0-master: ATAPI probe a=00 b=00 ata0-slave: ATAPI probe a=00 b=00 ata0: mask=03 status0=50 status1=00 ata0-master: ATA probe a=01 b=a5 ata0: devices=01 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: iobase=0x0170 altiobase=0x0376 bmaddr=0xfc98 ata1: mask=03 status0=00 status1=00 ata1: mask=03 ostat0=00 ostat2=00 ata1-master: ATAPI probe a=00 b=00 ata1-slave: ATAPI probe a=00 b=00 ata1: mask=03 status0=00 status1=00 ata1: devices=00 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 uhci0: port 0xfca0-0xfcbf irq 9 at device 7.2 on pci0 usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub1: Philips Semiconductors product 0x1122, class 9/0, rev 1.10/1.10, addr 2 uhub1: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered umass0: Sony USB Memory Stick Slot, rev 1.10/1.31, addr 3 umass0:0:0:-1: Attached to scbus0 as device 0 intpm0: port 0x1040-0x104f irq 9 at device 7.3 on pci0 intpm0: I/O mapped 1040 intpm0: intr IRQ 9 enabled revision 0 using shared irq9. smbus0: on intsmb0 smb0: on smbus0 intpm0: PM I/O mapped 8000 chip1: mem 0xfedf7c00-0xfedf7dff,0xfedf7000-0xfedf77ff irq 9 at device 8.0 on pci0 pcm0: port 0xfc8c-0xfc8f,0xfcc0-0xfcff mem 0xfedf8000-0xfedfffff irq 9 at device 9.0 on pci0 ds1: setmap (1000, 3de4), nseg=1, error=0 pcm0: ac97 codec id 0x414b4d02 pcm0: ac97 codec features headphone, 18 bit DAC, 18 bit ADC, 5 bit master volume, AKM 3D Audio pcm0: ac97 primary codec extended features AMAP pcm: setmap 11000, 1000; 0xc9dbe000 -> 11000 pcm: setmap 21000, 1000; 0xc9dce000 -> 21000 pcm: setmap 31000, 1000; 0xc9dde000 -> 31000 pcm: setmap 41000, 1000; 0xc9dee000 -> 41000 pcm: setmap 51000, 1000; 0xc9dfe000 -> 51000 pcm: setmap 61000, 1000; 0xc9e0e000 -> 61000 pci0: (vendor=0x14f1, dev=0x2443) at 10.0 irq 9 fxp0: port 0xfc40-0xfc7f mem 0xfec00000-0xfecfffff,0xfedf6000-0xfedf6fff irq 9 at device 11.0 on pci0 fxp0: Ethernet address 08:00:46:0d:8b:a9 bpf: fxp0 attached pcic-pci0: at device 12.0 on pci0 pcic-pci0: Legacy address set to 0x3e0 PCI Config space: 00: 04751180 02100007 06070080 00020000 10: 00000000 020000dc 00000000 00000000 20: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 30: 00000000 00000000 00000000 078001ff 40: 8082104d 000003e1 00000000 00000000 50: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 60: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 70: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 80: 00020001 00000000 04630463 30000000 90: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 Cardbus Socket registers: 00: f000ff53: f000ff53: f000e2c3: f000ff53: 10: f000ff53: f000ff54: f000a1af: f000ff53: ExCa registers: 00: eb 88 d5 43 30 d2 66 f7 f3 88 d7 5a 66 3d ff 03 10: 00 00 fb 77 44 86 c4 c0 c8 02 08 e8 40 91 88 fe 20: 28 e0 8a 66 02 38 e0 72 02 88 e0 bf 05 00 c4 5e 30: 04 50 b4 02 cd 13 5b 73 0a 4f 74 1c 30 e4 cd 13 Trying Read_Port at 203 Trying Read_Port at 243 Trying Read_Port at 283 Trying Read_Port at 2c3 Trying Read_Port at 303 Trying Read_Port at 343 Trying Read_Port at 383 Trying Read_Port at 3c3 isa_probe_children: disabling PnP devices isa_probe_children: probing non-PnP devices fdc0: direction bit not set fdc0: cmd 3 failed at out byte 1 of 3 fdc0 failed to probe at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 atkbd: the current kbd controller command byte 0047 atkbd: keyboard ID 0x41ab (2) kbdc: RESET_KBD return code:00fa kbdc: RESET_KBD status:00aa kbd0 at atkbd0 kbd0: atkbd0, AT 101/102 (2), config:0x1, flags:0x1d0000 psm0: current command byte:0047 kbdc: TEST_AUX_PORT status:0000 kbdc: RESET_AUX return code:00fa kbdc: RESET_AUX status:00aa kbdc: RESET_AUX ID:0000 psm: status 00 02 64 psm: status 00 00 64 psm: status 00 03 64 psm: status 00 03 64 psm: data 08 00 00 psm: status 73 02 0a psm: data 08 00 00 psm: status 00 02 64 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model GlidePoint, device ID 0-00, 2 buttons psm0: config:00000000, flags:00000000, packet size:3 psm0: syncmask:c0, syncbits:00 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 fb0: vga0, vga, type:VGA (5), flags:0x7007f fb0: port:0x3c0-0x3df, crtc:0x3d4, mem:0xa0000 0x20000 fb0: init mode:24, bios mode:3, current mode:24 fb0: window:0xc00b8000 size:32k gran:32k, buf:0 size:32k vga0: vga: WARNING: video mode switching is not fully supported on this adapter VGA parameters upon power-up 50 18 10 00 00 00 03 00 02 e7 73 4f 4f 97 52 83 b4 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 01 e0 91 87 8f 28 1f 8f b5 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff VGA parameters in BIOS for mode 24 50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 00 00 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff EGA/VGA parameters to be used for mode 24 50 18 10 00 00 00 03 00 02 e7 73 4f 4f 97 52 83 b4 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 01 e0 91 87 8f 28 1f 8f b5 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x100> sc0: fb0, kbd0, terminal emulator: sc (syscons terminal) pcic0: at port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd4000 irq 10 on isa0 pcic0: management irq 10 stat is 33 pccard0: on pcic0 pcic1: not probed (disabled) sio0: irq maps: 0x1 0x11 0x1 0x1 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A, console isa_probe_children: probing PnP devices BIOS Geometries: 0:03fefe3f 0..1022=1023 cylinders, 0..254=255 heads, 1..63=63 sectors 0 accounted for Device configuration finished. bpf: lo0 attached bpf: ppp0 attached new masks: bio 68c200, tty 631212, net 671212 bpf: sl0 attached bpf: faith0 attached bpf: gif0 attached bpf: gif1 attached bpf: gif2 attached bpf: gif3 attached BRIDGE 990810, have 9 interfaces -- index 1 type 6 phy 0 addrl 6 addr 08.00.46.0d.8b.a9 IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing. ata0-master: success setting UDMA2 on PIIX4 chip Creating DISK ad0 Creating DISK wd0 ad0: ATA-5 disk at ata0-master ad0: 11513MB (23579136 sectors), 23392 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ad0: 16 secs/int, 1 depth queue, UDMA33 ad0: piomode=4 dmamode=2 udmamode=4 cblid=1 ad0: 11513MB [23392/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 panic: rcmdlen = -1070593560 < 12, buffer too small syncing disks... CONFIGURATION FILE: barry@gate$ cat VAIO # # $FreeBSD: src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC,v 1.246.2.20 2000/10/31 23:16:07 n_hibma Exp $ machine i386 cpu I586_CPU cpu I686_CPU ident VAIO maxusers 64 makeoptions DEBUG=-g #Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation options INET #InterNETworking options INET6 #IPv6 communications protocols options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options SOFTUPDATES #Enable FFS soft updates support options MFS #Memory Filesystem options MD_ROOT #MD is a potential root device options NFS #Network Filesystem options NFS_ROOT #NFS usable as root device, NFS required options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options CD9660 #ISO 9660 Filesystem options CD9660_ROOT #CD-ROM usable as root, CD9660 required options PROCFS #Process filesystem options COMPAT_43 #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options SCSI_DELAY=15000 #Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor options KTRACE #ktrace(1) support options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores options P1003_1B #Posix P1003_1B real-time extensions options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING options ICMP_BANDLIM #Rate limit bad replies options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev options IPSEC #IP security options IPSEC_ESP #IP security (crypto; define w/ IPSEC) options INVARIANT_SUPPORT options INVARIANTS options DDB options DDB_UNATTENDED options BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER options BRIDGE #For vmware # To make an SMP kernel, the next two are needed #options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel #options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O device isa device eisa device pci # Floppy drives device fdc0 at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2 device fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives device atapist # ATAPI tape drives options ATA_STATIC_ID #Static device numbering options ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA #Enable DMA on ATAPI devices # SCSI peripherals (needed for USB umass driver) device scbus # SCSI bus (required) device da # Direct Access (disks) #device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) #device cd # CD device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1 device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 device vga0 at isa? # splash screen/screen saver pseudo-device splash # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? flags 0x100 options SC_PIXEL_MODE options SC_NORM_ATTR="(FG_LIGHTGREY|BG_BLACK)" options SC_NORM_REV_ATTR="(FG_BLACK|BG_LIGHTGREY)" options SC_KERNEL_CONS_ATTR="(FG_WHITE|BG_RED)" options SC_KERNEL_CONS_REV_ATTR="(FG_RED|BG_BLACK)" # Floating point support - do not disable. device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 # Power management support (see LINT for more options) device apm0 at nexus? flags 0x20 # Advanced Power Management # PCCARD (PCMCIA) support device card device pcic0 at isa? irq 10 port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd4000 device pcic1 at isa? irq 0 port 0x3e2 iomem 0xd4000 disable # Serial (COM) ports device sio0 at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4 #device sio1 at isa? port IO_COM2 irq 3 device fxp # Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558) device wi device an # Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocated. pseudo-device loop # Network loopback pseudo-device ether # Ethernet support pseudo-device sl 1 # Kernel SLIP pseudo-device ppp 1 # Kernel PPP pseudo-device tun # Packet tunnel. pseudo-device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) pseudo-device md # Memory "disks" pseudo-device gif 4 # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling pseudo-device faith 1 # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) # The `bpf' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! pseudo-device bpf #Berkeley packet filter # USB support device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface device usb # USB Bus (required) device ugen # Generic device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" device ukbd # Keyboard device ulpt # Printer device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da device ums # Mouse device uscanner # Scanners # # SMB bus # # System Management Bus support provided by the 'smbus' device. # # Supported devices: # smb standard io # # Supported interfaces: # iicsmb I2C to SMB bridge with any iicbus interface # bktr brooktree848 I2C hardware interface # intpm Intel PIIX4 Power Management Unit # alpm Acer Aladdin-IV/V/Pro2 Power Management Unit # device smbus # Bus support, required for smb below. device intpm device alpm device smb device iicbus #Bus support, required for ic/iic/iicsmb below. device iicbb device ic device iic device iicsmb # smb over i2c bridge # pcm: Luigi's sound driver device pcm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Dec 1 14:13:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C11D37B400 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:13:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eB1MDPQ79692; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:13:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA09112; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:13:25 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200012012213.PAA09112@harmony.village.org> To: "Arun Welch" Subject: Re: Adaptec 1480A PCMCIA Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 Dec 2000 11:25:27 CST." References: Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 15:13:25 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message "Arun Welch" writes: : Is this supported (in either -stable or -current)? I suspect not, but : thought I'd check. Justin has been working on the changes necessary to make this work. I don't think they have been committed to -current yet. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Dec 1 18: 5:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from sodium.cips.nokia.com (Sodium.cips.nokia.com [199.46.17.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D67C37B401; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:05:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from sodium.cips.nokia.com (localhost.network-alchemy.com [127.0.0.1]) by sodium.cips.nokia.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA31455; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:05:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from key@sodium.cips.nokia.com) Message-Id: <200012020205.SAA31455@sodium.cips.nokia.com> To: Mike Smith Cc: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG From: Ken Key Subject: Re: Can this really be true? FreeBSD not working on IBM T20's In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:48:01 -0800. <200011302348.eAUNm1F00969@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 18:05:53 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here are some more T20 data points: One of the two working T20's here is BIOS v1.07 (IYET43WW). It was received about 2-3 months ago, but I do not have it's type number. I just got a brand new T20 from my vendor trying to save my cancelled order for A21P's and T21's. He's SOL, it failed. A T20 with BIOS v1.08a (IYEET45WW), Type 2647-84U Bricked first try. I'll play through the combimetrics a bit more this weekend, but it doesn't look good. This is a Win2K preinstalled model while I know that one of the two T20's that are working here were Win98Se preinstalled (just keeping track of the reminaing variables - I don't know if it's of any relavence). The test: I reduced the FAT32 partition size with Partition Magic, Installed BootMagic (to make sure it wasn't a boot0 size problem), installed v4.0 (what I planned to use for next test of install for 512-byte boot0) and I got a brick. It hangs at the BIOS menu just like the T21 and A21P. Installed in my trusty 600X and changed partition type number to 131 and reinstalled in the T20, BootMagic booted Win2K just fine. Again, just like the T21 and A21P. Regards, Ken Key > I can confirm that the T20, more specifically Type 2627-41U aka 'Toronto' > running BIOS 1.00 IYET33WW is not susceptible to this problem. I wasn't > able to try any later BIOS code on this machine (but may be able to given > further time). From other reports, I am fairly confident that this BIOS > family (IYET) is not affected. > > I can also confirm that the X20, Type 2662-21U aka 'Sydney' running BIOS > 1.05 IZET37WW is also not affected. From other reports in the field, I > am fairly confident that this BIOS family (IZET) is not affected. > > -- > ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his > rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want > to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force > people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E -- Ken Key (key@cips.nokia.com, key@Network-Alchemy.com) Nokia, Clustered IP Solutions, Santa Cruz, CA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Dec 1 18:47:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from vixen.yipyap.net (dsl-64-193-169-237.telocity.com [64.193.169.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B304337B400; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:47:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from snowfox by vixen.yipyap.net with local (Exim 3.16 #1 (Debian)) id 1422hm-00084j-00; Fri, 01 Dec 2000 20:47:14 -0600 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:47:14 -0600 To: John Baldwin Cc: dmitry , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Buying a new laptop / Baldwin's Nirvana Message-ID: <20001201204714.A27724@vixen.yipyap.net> References: <200011302135.eAULZUK17960@mail.ipeg.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: ; from jhb@FreeBSD.org on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 03:32:30PM -0800 From: Brian McGroarty Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 03:32:30PM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 30-Nov-00 dmitry wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am about to purchase a new laptop with a following specs: > > I have a Dell Inspiron 5000e with the 1600x1200 display. cardbus works in > current with a hack, pccard works fine, sound works fine, apm doesn't work. (I > may get around to fixing that someday though.) acpi currently doesn't work on > it either. X works in 1600x1200, but it takes some work. I haven't tried the > 3.3.6 X bits that come with 4.2, which may work fine. However, X 4.0.1 has a > bug and doesn't work out of the box. I had to use cvsup to grab the X sources > out of the tree and use that to compile an X server. AccelX's server will work > fine on the 5000e though, and even supports using an external monitor as a > dual-head, etc. I like it fine, though I mainly wanted it for the screen. :) The laptop supports dual head with the external port? This laptop uses the ATI RAGE Mobility. Do you have a feeling for whether both heads are accelerated under X? I do many graphics presentations. I'd kill to have GL on a preview screen and presentation screen and still be able to take it with me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Dec 1 18:50:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AE537B400 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:50:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@dhcp246.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.246]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eB22oOC22989; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:50:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20001201204714.A27724@vixen.yipyap.net> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 18:50:53 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Brian McGroarty Subject: Re: Buying a new laptop / Baldwin's Nirvana Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org, dmitry Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 02-Dec-00 Brian McGroarty wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 03:32:30PM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: >> >> On 30-Nov-00 dmitry wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > I am about to purchase a new laptop with a following specs: >> >> I have a Dell Inspiron 5000e with the 1600x1200 display. cardbus works in >> current with a hack, pccard works fine, sound works fine, apm doesn't work. >> (I >> may get around to fixing that someday though.) acpi currently doesn't work >> on >> it either. X works in 1600x1200, but it takes some work. I haven't tried >> the >> 3.3.6 X bits that come with 4.2, which may work fine. However, X 4.0.1 has >> a >> bug and doesn't work out of the box. I had to use cvsup to grab the X >> sources >> out of the tree and use that to compile an X server. AccelX's server will >> work >> fine on the 5000e though, and even supports using an external monitor as a >> dual-head, etc. I like it fine, though I mainly wanted it for the screen. >> :) > > The laptop supports dual head with the external port? I think you can use both screens seperately at least in both Windows and wtih AccelX. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Dec 1 19:24:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from sodium.cips.nokia.com (Sodium.cips.nokia.com [199.46.17.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B28C37B400 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:24:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from sodium.cips.nokia.com (localhost.network-alchemy.com [127.0.0.1]) by sodium.cips.nokia.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA31689 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:24:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from key@sodium.cips.nokia.com) Message-Id: <200012020324.TAA31689@sodium.cips.nokia.com> To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG From: Ken Key Subject: Re: Can this really be true? FreeBSD not working on IBM T20's In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 01 Dec 2000 18:05:53 -0800. <200012020205.SAA31455@sodium.cips.nokia.com> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 19:24:19 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The broken T20's BIOS should have read v1.08a (IYET45WW) - sorry for the typo. The BIOS on the other working T20 is v1.03 (IYET37WW). Regards, K^2 > Here are some more T20 data points: > > One of the two working T20's here is BIOS v1.07 (IYET43WW). It was > received about 2-3 months ago, but I do not have it's type number. > > I just got a brand new T20 from my vendor trying to save my cancelled > order for A21P's and T21's. He's SOL, it failed. > > A T20 with BIOS v1.08a (IYEET45WW), Type 2647-84U Bricked first try. > I'll play through the combimetrics a bit more this weekend, but it > doesn't look good. This is a Win2K preinstalled model while I know > that one of the two T20's that are working here were Win98Se preinstalled > (just keeping track of the reminaing variables - I don't know if it's > of any relavence). > > > The test: > > I reduced the FAT32 partition size with Partition Magic, Installed > BootMagic (to make sure it wasn't a boot0 size problem), installed > v4.0 (what I planned to use for next test of install for 512-byte > boot0) and I got a brick. It hangs at the BIOS menu just like the > T21 and A21P. Installed in my trusty 600X and changed partition type > number to 131 and reinstalled in the T20, BootMagic booted Win2K just fine. > Again, just like the T21 and A21P. > > Regards, > Ken Key > > > I can confirm that the T20, more specifically Type 2627-41U aka 'Toronto' > > running BIOS 1.00 IYET33WW is not susceptible to this problem. I wasn't > > able to try any later BIOS code on this machine (but may be able to given > > further time). From other reports, I am fairly confident that this BIOS > > family (IYET) is not affected. > > > > I can also confirm that the X20, Type 2662-21U aka 'Sydney' running BIOS > > 1.05 IZET37WW is also not affected. From other reports in the field, I > > am fairly confident that this BIOS family (IZET) is not affected. > > > > -- > > ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his > > rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want > > to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force > > people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > > V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E > -- > Ken Key (key@cips.nokia.com, key@Network-Alchemy.com) > Nokia, Clustered IP Solutions, Santa Cruz, CA > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message -- Ken Key (key@cips.nokia.com, key@Network-Alchemy.com) Nokia, Clustered IP Solutions, Santa Cruz, CA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Dec 1 23:28: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from alopex.vulpes.net (w120.z064220151.sjc-ca.dsl.cnc.net [64.220.151.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17D137B400 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 23:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from vulpes.internal.vulpes.net ([192.168.1.11]) by alopex.vulpes.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 14275Z-000GDM-00 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2000 23:28:05 -0800 Received: from fox by vulpes.internal.vulpes.net with local (Exim 3.16 #1 (Debian)) id 14275Y-0000Aa-00 for ; Fri, 01 Dec 2000 23:28:04 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 23:28:04 -0800 From: Frysco! To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: Installing onto a Toshiba 2805-S201 Message-ID: <20001201232803.A636@vulpes.internal.vulpes.net> Reply-To: francisco@vulpes.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm attempting to install onto a Toshiba 2805-S201 laptop. It already has Windows (ME) on it, and in order make use of the DVD player, I have to keep that on there, and have a dual boot Windows/FreeBSD. I've removed as much of the extraneous windows 'bumf' as I'm comfortable with, and have about 850Mb in use on the Windows. I've gone in with both FIPS and PResizer, and can't seem to reduce the Windows partition down to less than 1576Mb. Now, when I boot up to start the install the problem that I'm stumped with is when I go into the Disklabel Editor. I try 'A'uto defaults, and I get an error message: Unable to create the root partition. Too big? I've also tried 'C'reating a small root partition the smallest I can do, and get the error: This region cannot be used for your root partition as the FreeBSD boot code cannot deal with a root parition created in that location. Please choose another location or smaller size for your root partition and tru again! So, I'm wondering if this is anything to do with the 1024cylinder limitation that's mentioned in the Install FAQ? But this is where I'm confused. According to the disk geometry I'm getting from the Partition Editor, the geometry of the disk is 730cyl/255hd/63sect. Wouldn't that mean that root partition would be below that 1024 limit anyway? Or am I completely off base here? If anyone can offer assistance to get this thing going, please, let me know. Thanks in advance, -- Frysco! francisco@vulpes.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Dec 1 23:38:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D4F37B400 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 23:38:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 1427Fs-0001uK-00 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 02 Dec 2000 02:38:44 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 02:38:43 -0500 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Installing onto a Toshiba 2805-S201 Message-ID: <20001202023843.B1109@pir.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org References: <20001201232803.A636@vulpes.internal.vulpes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001201232803.A636@vulpes.internal.vulpes.net>; from francisco@vulpes.net on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:28:04PM -0800 X-fish: < Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Frysco! probably said: > I've removed as much of the extraneous windows 'bumf' as I'm comfortable > with, and have about 850Mb in use on the Windows. I've gone in with both > FIPS and PResizer, and can't seem to reduce the Windows partition down to > less than 1576Mb. Have you tried defragging the disk ? Although it is payware, I do recommend partition magic for this kind of thing, it seems to deal a lot better. > So, I'm wondering if this is anything to do with the 1024cylinder > limitation that's mentioned in the Install FAQ? But this is where I'm > confused. According to the disk geometry I'm getting from the Partition > Editor, the geometry of the disk is 730cyl/255hd/63sect. Wouldn't that > mean that root partition would be below that 1024 limit anyway? Or am I > completely off base here? the true geometry of the disk is often not what the BIOS is using ... but 1.5Gb into a disk should be ok on all but a very old machine. P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Dec 1 23:59:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from brandon.tabc.net (dynamic-b-872.dov.adelphia.net [24.48.91.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76B937B401 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 23:59:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by brandon.tabc.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 02:59:45 -0500 Message-ID: <957089C2F5CF444F95ABCFC3197B65710400@brandon.tabc.net> From: Marek To: "'freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org'" Subject: Intel Pro/100 Cardbus II Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 02:59:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I am installing onto TP570E. Does anyone know if the above card is > supported, and if not if there are any plans? > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Dec 2 7:49:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from camelot.bitart.com (BITart-45.BITart.com [206.103.221.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E6E2E37B400 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 07:49:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8754 invoked by uid 101); 2 Dec 2000 15:49:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20001202154922.8753.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.2mach v148) In-Reply-To: <20001201211336.8019.qmail@devious.lustig.com> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.2mach (Enhance 2.2p1) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.148) From: Gerd Knops Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 09:49:22 -0600 To: barry@Lustig.COM Subject: Re: Boot problem with 4.2-STABLE on VAIO z505-LE Cc: stable@freebsd.org, mobile@freebsd.org Reply-To: gerti-freebsds@BITart.com References: <20001201211336.8019.qmail@devious.lustig.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Barry Lustig wrote: > When I add "device umass" to my configuration I get the following > failure on boot. I've added the configuration file at the end of this > message. Any ideas? > Looks like the Sony USB Memory Stick Slot is causing trouble. I have an external USB Memory Stick Adapter working just fine, no idea why the internal one is failing. Do you happen to have a memory stick in there? Gerd > barry > > ok boot -v > SMAP type=01 base=00000000 00000000 len=00000000 0009f800 > SMAP type=02 base=00000000 0009f800 len=00000000 00000800 > SMAP type=02 base=00000000 000e8400 len=00000000 00017c00 > SMAP type=01 base=00000000 00100000 len=00000000 0bef0000 > SMAP type=03 base=00000000 0bff0000 len=00000000 0000f800 > SMAP type=04 base=00000000 0bfff800 len=00000000 00000800 > SMAP type=02 base=00000000 fff80000 len=00000000 00080000 > Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, > 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights > reserved. FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #7: Fri Dec 1 14:08:28 EST 2000 > barry@vaio.lustig.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/VAIO > Calibrating clock(s) ... TSC clock: 645193534 Hz, i8254 clock: > 1193167 Hz CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default > frequency Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz > CLK_USE_TSC_CALIBRATION not specified - using old calibration method > CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (645.21-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x683 Stepping = 3 > Features=0x383f9ff > real memory = 201261056 (196544K bytes) Physical memory chunk(s): > 0x00001000 - 0x0009efff, 647168 bytes (158 pages) > 0x00408000 - 0x0bfe7fff, 197001216 bytes (48096 pages) > avail memory = 191856640 (187360K bytes) > bios32: Found BIOS32 Service Directory header at 0xc00f6c10 > bios32: Entry = 0xfd890 (c00fd890) Rev = 0 Len = 1 > pcibios: PCI BIOS entry at 0x11e > pnpbios: Found PnP BIOS data at 0xc00f6c40 > pnpbios: Entry = f0000:b431 Rev = 1.0 > pnpbios: Event flag at 400 > Other BIOS signatures found: > ACPI: 000f6bb0 > Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc03e2000. > Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled > md0: Malloc disk > Creating DISK md0 > Math emulator present > pci_open(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x80003904 > pci_open(1a): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000) > pci_cfgcheck: device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=00] is there (id=71908086) > apm0: on motherboard apm: found APM BIOS v1.2, connected > at v1.2 npx0: on motherboard > npx0: INT 16 interface > pci_open(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x00000000 > pci_open(1a): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000) > pci_cfgcheck: device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=00] is there (id=71908086) > pcib0: on motherboard > found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7190, revid=0x03 class=06-00-00, > hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 > map[10]: type 1, range 32, base 40000000, size 24 > found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7191, revid=0x03 > class=06-04-00, hdrtype=0x01, mfdev=0 > subordinatebus=1 secondarybus=1 > found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7110, revid=0x02 > class=06-01-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 > subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 > found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7111, revid=0x01 > class=01-01-80, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 > subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 > map[20]: type 1, range 32, base 0000fc90, size 4 > found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7112, revid=0x01 > class=0c-03-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 > subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 > intpin=d, irq=9 > map[20]: type 1, range 32, base 0000fca0, size 5 > found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7113, revid=0x03 > class=06-80-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 > subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 > map[90]: type 1, range 32, base 00001040, size 4 > found-> vendor=0x104d, dev=0x8039, revid=0x02 > class=0c-00-10, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 > subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 > intpin=a, irq=9 > map[10]: type 1, range 32, base fedf7000, size 11 > map[14]: type 1, range 32, base fedf7c00, size 9 > found-> vendor=0x1073, dev=0x0010, revid=0x02 > class=04-01-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 > subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 > intpin=a, irq=9 > map[10]: type 1, range 32, base fedf8000, size 15 > map[14]: type 1, range 32, base 0000fcc0, size 6 > map[18]: type 3, range 32, base 0000fc8c, size 2 > found-> vendor=0x14f1, dev=0x2443, revid=0x01 > class=07-80-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 > subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 > intpin=a, irq=9 > map[10]: type 1, range 32, base fede0000, size 16 > map[14]: type 3, range 32, base 0000fc38, size 3 > found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x1229, revid=0x08 > class=02-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 > subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 > intpin=a, irq=9 > map[10]: type 1, range 32, base fedf6000, size 12 > map[14]: type 1, range 32, base 0000fc40, size 6 > map[18]: type 1, range 32, base fec00000, size 20 > found-> vendor=0x1180, dev=0x0475, revid=0x80 > class=06-07-00, hdrtype=0x02, mfdev=0 > subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 > intpin=a, irq=255 > pci0: on pcib0 > pcib1: at device 1.0 on > pci0 found-> vendor=0x1002, dev=0x4c4d, revid=0x64 > class=03-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 > subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 > intpin=a, irq=9 > map[10]: type 1, range 32, base fd000000, size 24 > map[14]: type 1, range 32, base 0000e800, size 8 > map[18]: type 1, range 32, base febff000, size 12 > pci1: on pcib1 > pci1: (vendor=0x1002, > dev=0x4c4d) at 0.0 irq 9 isab0: at > device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 > atapci0: port 0xfc90-0xfc9f at device > 7.1 on pci0 ata0: iobase=0x01f0 altiobase=0x03f6 bmaddr=0xfc90 > ata0: mask=03 status0=50 status1=00 > ata0: mask=03 ostat0=50 ostat2=00 > ata0-master: ATAPI probe a=00 b=00 > ata0-slave: ATAPI probe a=00 b=00 > ata0: mask=03 status0=50 status1=00 > ata0-master: ATA probe a=01 b=a5 > ata0: devices=01 > ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 > ata1: iobase=0x0170 altiobase=0x0376 bmaddr=0xfc98 > ata1: mask=03 status0=00 status1=00 > ata1: mask=03 ostat0=00 ostat2=00 > ata1-master: ATAPI probe a=00 b=00 > ata1-slave: ATAPI probe a=00 b=00 > ata1: mask=03 status0=00 status1=00 > ata1: devices=00 > ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 > uhci0: port 0xfca0-0xfcbf > irq 9 at device 7.2 on pci0 usb0: controller> on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 > uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 > uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered > uhub1: Philips Semiconductors product 0x1122, class 9/0, rev > 1.10/1.10, addr 2 uhub1: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered > umass0: Sony USB Memory Stick Slot, rev 1.10/1.31, addr 3 > umass0:0:0:-1: Attached to scbus0 as device 0 > intpm0: port > 0x1040-0x104f irq 9 at device 7.3 on pci0 intpm0: I/O mapped 1040 > intpm0: intr IRQ 9 enabled revision 0 > using shared irq9. > smbus0: on intsmb0 > smb0: on smbus0 > intpm0: PM I/O mapped 8000 > chip1: mem > 0xfedf7c00-0xfedf7dff,0xfedf7000-0xfedf77ff irq 9 at device 8.0 on > pci0 pcm0: port 0xfc8c-0xfc8f,0xfcc0-0xfcff > mem 0xfedf8000-0xfedfffff irq 9 at device 9.0 on pci0 ds1: setmap > (1000, 3de4), nseg=1, error=0 pcm0: ac97 codec id 0x414b4d02 > pcm0: ac97 codec features headphone, 18 bit DAC, 18 bit ADC, 5 bit > master volume, AKM 3D Audio pcm0: ac97 primary codec extended > features AMAP pcm: setmap 11000, 1000; 0xc9dbe000 -> 11000 > pcm: setmap 21000, 1000; 0xc9dce000 -> 21000 > pcm: setmap 31000, 1000; 0xc9dde000 -> 31000 > pcm: setmap 41000, 1000; 0xc9dee000 -> 41000 > pcm: setmap 51000, 1000; 0xc9dfe000 -> 51000 > pcm: setmap 61000, 1000; 0xc9e0e000 -> 61000 > pci0: (vendor=0x14f1, dev=0x2443) at 10.0 irq 9 > fxp0: port 0xfc40-0xfc7f mem > 0xfec00000-0xfecfffff,0xfedf6000-0xfedf6fff irq 9 at device 11.0 on > pci0 fxp0: Ethernet address 08:00:46:0d:8b:a9 > bpf: fxp0 attached > pcic-pci0: at device 12.0 on pci0 > pcic-pci0: Legacy address set to 0x3e0 > PCI Config space: > 00: 04751180 02100007 06070080 00020000 > 10: 00000000 020000dc 00000000 00000000 > 20: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 > 30: 00000000 00000000 00000000 078001ff > 40: 8082104d 000003e1 00000000 00000000 > 50: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 > 60: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 > 70: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 > 80: 00020001 00000000 04630463 30000000 > 90: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 > Cardbus Socket registers: > 00: f000ff53: f000ff53: f000e2c3: f000ff53: > 10: f000ff53: f000ff54: f000a1af: f000ff53: > ExCa registers: > 00: eb 88 d5 43 30 d2 66 f7 f3 88 d7 5a 66 3d ff 03 > 10: 00 00 fb 77 44 86 c4 c0 c8 02 08 e8 40 91 88 fe > 20: 28 e0 8a 66 02 38 e0 72 02 88 e0 bf 05 00 c4 5e > 30: 04 50 b4 02 cd 13 5b 73 0a 4f 74 1c 30 e4 cd 13 > Trying Read_Port at 203 > Trying Read_Port at 243 > Trying Read_Port at 283 > Trying Read_Port at 2c3 > Trying Read_Port at 303 > Trying Read_Port at 343 > Trying Read_Port at 383 > Trying Read_Port at 3c3 > isa_probe_children: disabling PnP devices > isa_probe_children: probing non-PnP devices > fdc0: direction bit not set > fdc0: cmd 3 failed at out byte 1 of 3 > fdc0 failed to probe at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 > atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 > atkbd: the current kbd controller command byte 0047 > atkbd: keyboard ID 0x41ab (2) > kbdc: RESET_KBD return code:00fa > kbdc: RESET_KBD status:00aa > kbd0 at atkbd0 > kbd0: atkbd0, AT 101/102 (2), config:0x1, flags:0x1d0000 > psm0: current command byte:0047 > kbdc: TEST_AUX_PORT status:0000 > kbdc: RESET_AUX return code:00fa > kbdc: RESET_AUX status:00aa > kbdc: RESET_AUX ID:0000 > psm: status 00 02 64 > psm: status 00 00 64 > psm: status 00 03 64 > psm: status 00 03 64 > psm: data 08 00 00 > psm: status 73 02 0a > psm: data 08 00 00 > psm: status 00 02 64 > psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 > psm0: model GlidePoint, device ID 0-00, 2 buttons > psm0: config:00000000, flags:00000000, packet size:3 > psm0: syncmask:c0, syncbits:00 > vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on > isa0 fb0: vga0, vga, type:VGA (5), flags:0x7007f > fb0: port:0x3c0-0x3df, crtc:0x3d4, mem:0xa0000 0x20000 > fb0: init mode:24, bios mode:3, current mode:24 > fb0: window:0xc00b8000 size:32k gran:32k, buf:0 size:32k > vga0: vga: WARNING: video mode switching is not fully supported on > this adapter VGA parameters upon power-up > 50 18 10 00 00 00 03 00 02 e7 73 4f 4f 97 52 83 > b4 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 01 e0 91 87 8f 28 1f 8f > b5 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c > 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff > VGA parameters in BIOS for mode 24 > 50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 > bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 00 00 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 > b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c > 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff > EGA/VGA parameters to be used for mode 24 > 50 18 10 00 00 00 03 00 02 e7 73 4f 4f 97 52 83 > b4 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 01 e0 91 87 8f 28 1f 8f > b5 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c > 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff > sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 > sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x100> > sc0: fb0, kbd0, terminal emulator: sc (syscons terminal) > pcic0: at port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd4000 irq 10 on isa0 > pcic0: management irq 10 > stat is 33 > pccard0: on pcic0 > pcic1: not probed (disabled) > sio0: irq maps: 0x1 0x11 0x1 0x1 > sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 > sio0: type 16550A, console > isa_probe_children: probing PnP devices > BIOS Geometries: > 0:03fefe3f 0..1022=1023 cylinders, 0..254=255 heads, 1..63=63 sectors > 0 accounted for > Device configuration finished. > bpf: lo0 attached > bpf: ppp0 attached > new masks: bio 68c200, tty 631212, net 671212 > bpf: sl0 attached > bpf: faith0 attached > bpf: gif0 attached > bpf: gif1 attached > bpf: gif2 attached > bpf: gif3 attached > BRIDGE 990810, have 9 interfaces > -- index 1 type 6 phy 0 addrl 6 addr 08.00.46.0d.8b.a9 > IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing. > ata0-master: success setting UDMA2 on PIIX4 chip > Creating DISK ad0 > Creating DISK wd0 > ad0: ATA-5 disk at ata0-master > ad0: 11513MB (23579136 sectors), 23392 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 > B/S ad0: 16 secs/int, 1 depth queue, UDMA33 > ad0: piomode=4 dmamode=2 udmamode=4 cblid=1 > ad0: 11513MB [23392/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 > panic: rcmdlen = -1070593560 < 12, buffer too small > > syncing disks... > > > > CONFIGURATION FILE: > > barry@gate$ cat VAIO > # > # $FreeBSD: src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC,v 1.246.2.20 2000/10/31 > # 23:16:07 n_hibma Exp $ > > machine i386 > cpu I586_CPU > cpu I686_CPU > ident VAIO > maxusers 64 > > makeoptions DEBUG=-g #Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols > > options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation > options INET #InterNETworking > options INET6 #IPv6 communications protocols options FFS #Berkeley > Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep > this!] options SOFTUPDATES #Enable FFS soft updates support options > MFS #Memory Filesystem options MD_ROOT #MD is a potential root device > options NFS #Network Filesystem options NFS_ROOT #NFS usable as root > device, NFS required options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options CD9660 > #ISO 9660 Filesystem options CD9660_ROOT #CD-ROM usable as root, > CD9660 required options PROCFS #Process filesystem options COMPAT_43 > #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options SCSI_DELAY=15000 #Delay > (in ms) before probing SCSI options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the > console options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor > options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor > options KTRACE #ktrace(1) support > options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory > options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues > options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores > options P1003_1B #Posix P1003_1B real-time extensions options > _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING options ICMP_BANDLIM #Rate limit bad > replies options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev > options IPSEC #IP security options IPSEC_ESP #IP security (crypto; > define w/ IPSEC) options INVARIANT_SUPPORT > options INVARIANTS > options DDB > options DDB_UNATTENDED > options BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER > options BRIDGE #For vmware > > # To make an SMP kernel, the next two are needed > #options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel options APIC_IO # > #Symmetric (APIC) I/O > > device isa > device eisa > device pci > > # Floppy drives > device fdc0 at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2 > device fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 > > # ATA and ATAPI devices > device ata > device atadisk # ATA disk drives > device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives > device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives > device atapist # ATAPI tape drives > options ATA_STATIC_ID #Static device numbering > options ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA #Enable DMA on ATAPI devices > > # SCSI peripherals (needed for USB umass driver) > device scbus # SCSI bus (required) > device da # Direct Access (disks) > #device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) > #device cd # CD > device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) > > # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse > device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD > device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1 > device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 > > device vga0 at isa? > > # splash screen/screen saver > pseudo-device splash > > # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console > device sc0 at isa? flags 0x100 > options SC_PIXEL_MODE > options SC_NORM_ATTR="(FG_LIGHTGREY|BG_BLACK)" > options SC_NORM_REV_ATTR="(FG_BLACK|BG_LIGHTGREY)" > options SC_KERNEL_CONS_ATTR="(FG_WHITE|BG_RED)" > options SC_KERNEL_CONS_REV_ATTR="(FG_RED|BG_BLACK)" > > # Floating point support - do not disable. > device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 > > # Power management support (see LINT for more options) > device apm0 at nexus? flags 0x20 # Advanced Power Management > > # PCCARD (PCMCIA) support > device card > device pcic0 at isa? irq 10 port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd4000 > device pcic1 at isa? irq 0 port 0x3e2 iomem 0xd4000 disable > > # Serial (COM) ports > device sio0 at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4 > #device sio1 at isa? port IO_COM2 irq 3 > > device fxp # Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558) device wi > device an > > # Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocated. > pseudo-device loop # Network loopback > pseudo-device ether # Ethernet support > pseudo-device sl 1 # Kernel SLIP > pseudo-device ppp 1 # Kernel PPP > pseudo-device tun # Packet tunnel. > pseudo-device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) > pseudo-device md # Memory "disks" > pseudo-device gif 4 # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling > pseudo-device faith 1 # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) > > # The `bpf' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. > # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! > pseudo-device bpf #Berkeley packet filter > > # USB support > device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface > device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface > device usb # USB Bus (required) > device ugen # Generic > device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" > device ukbd # Keyboard > device ulpt # Printer > device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da device ums > # Mouse device uscanner # Scanners > > # > # SMB bus > # > # System Management Bus support provided by the 'smbus' device. > # > # Supported devices: > # smb standard io > # > # Supported interfaces: > # iicsmb I2C to SMB bridge with any iicbus interface > # bktr brooktree848 I2C hardware interface > # intpm Intel PIIX4 Power Management Unit > # alpm Acer Aladdin-IV/V/Pro2 Power Management Unit > # > device smbus # Bus support, required for smb below. device intpm > device alpm > > device smb > > device iicbus #Bus support, required for ic/iic/iicsmb below. device > iicbb device ic > device iic > device iicsmb # smb over i2c bridge > > # pcm: Luigi's sound driver > device pcm > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Dec 2 8:28:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f249.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E88837B400 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 08:28:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 08:28:15 -0800 Received: from 64.228.66.154 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 02 Dec 2000 16:28:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.228.66.154] From: "Greg Smith" To: francisco@vulpes.net Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: making space on dual boot disk Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 16:28:15 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2000 16:28:15.0322 (UTC) FILETIME=[DEFD5BA0:01C05C7C] Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Frysco!, I totally second Peter's recommendation: delete crap defrag with Windows tools shrink Windows partition with Partition Magic I purchased Partition Magic several years ago, and have used it on all 4 laptops I have owned. The first 3 I used it to allow a larger suspend-to-disk partition after installing more RAM. The last one I used it to free up space for FreeBSD. It works very well. I've also used it on 3 friends' machines who wanted to install NT or Linux onto a Windows machine. Over the years you will get a lot of value for the $40 or $50 outlay. [One note on defrag: You can monitor the progress visually, at least on Win95. It is possible that it will not free up all space if it finds something it refuses to relocate -- that will be marked on the display of the individual sectors. Also: Depending on your memory requirements, you might want to kill virtual memory, which will free up more disk space that had been used for swapping. Or just rebooting might move the swap space towards the front of the disk if you have the dynamic swap space (the default I think) and that was the non-relocatable item.] Good luck, Greg Smith _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Dec 2 12:23:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from lvcablemodem.com (hams1.lvcablemodem.com [24.234.0.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4B137B400 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:23:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from nevada.edu ([24.234.19.246]) by lvcablemodem.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.517.51); Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:27:35 -0800 From: slumos@nevada.edu To: "Greg Smith" Cc: francisco@vulpes.net, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: making space on dual boot disk In-Reply-To: Message from "Greg Smith" of "Sat, 02 Dec 2000 16:28:15 GMT." Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 12:21:37 -0800 Message-ID: <0b29635272002c0HAMS1@lvcablemodem.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Frysco!, > >I totally second Peter's recommendation: > >delete crap >defrag with Windows tools >shrink Windows partition with Partition Magic > >I purchased Partition Magic several years ago, and have used it on all 4 >laptops I have owned. The first 3 I used it to allow a larger >suspend-to-disk partition after installing more RAM. The last one I used it >to free up space for FreeBSD. It works very well. I've also used it on 3 >friends' machines who wanted to install NT or Linux onto a Windows machine. >Over the years you will get a lot of value for the $40 or $50 outlay. Of course you only get value if you are willing to violate the license, which only allows use on a single machine. Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Dec 2 16:31:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f176.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.176]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613BB37B401 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:31:45 -0800 Received: from 64.228.65.222 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 03 Dec 2000 00:31:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.228.65.222] From: "Greg Smith" To: slumos@nevada.edu Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: making space on dual boot disk Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 00:31:45 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2000 00:31:45.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A4A62F0:01C05CC0] Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steve, I don't have the box in front of me, since I am on the road, but I believe you can only INSTALL it on one machine. I only run it off the floppy, never INSTALLING it on any machine. It seems to me this ought to be OK, but IANAL. Greg >Of course you only get value if you are willing to violate the >license, which only allows use on a single machine. > >Steve _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message