From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 27 9:53:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from russian-caravan.cloud9.net (russian-caravan.cloud9.net [168.100.1.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4C837B689 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 09:53:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from undo@cloud9.net) Received: from [10.0.0.4] (undo.dialup.cloud9.net [168.100.212.51]) by russian-caravan.cloud9.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559BC764F2 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 12:52:55 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: undo@mail.cloud9.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 12:52:44 +0100 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: andu Subject: usb support Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So, I recompiled the kernel (3.3) with bsd support - keyboard and track ball work fine IF... Unfortunately there are big problems: - in order for usb to work in bsd I need to disable support for usb mouse/keyboard in BIOS, if I do that I loose my (minimal) usb support in Linux which runs on the same machine. - also as of 3.3 unplugging usb keyboard/mouse kills them for good. I need that (essential) functionality since I share the monitor mouse and keyboard between the PC box and a PPC box. My question is: does the latest version have proper usb support and if so where can I get a cd of it? Downloading is out of the question since I have a 56k modem. Another comment I want to make is in reference to the "stability" of Gnome which as of 3.3 which is inexistent. Do the more recent versions show any improvement? Regards, Andu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 27 13:27:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B88837B59D for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 13:27:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28665; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:02:12 GMT (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by kilt.nothing-going-on.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA73736; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 13:38:13 GMT (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 13:38:13 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Eric Wayte Cc: James Halstead , "newbies @freeBSD.org" Subject: Re: cvs Message-ID: <20000226133813.A72572@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <00be01bf6ded$17980a20$a3b972ce@jameshal> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Eric Wayte on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 10:08:51AM -0500 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 10:08:51AM -0500, Eric Wayte wrote: > You might also want to look at these links: > > http://www.samag.com/archive/0809/feature.shtml > http://www.nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk/FreeBSD/make-world/make-world.html Re: that last URL. I really must get around to deleting it (or replacing most of the text). I integrated it in to the Handbook sometime ago, and the Handbook (www.freebsd.org/handbook/) is now the best place to look for that information. N -- If you want to imagine the future, imagine a tennis shoe stamping on a penguin's face forever. --- with apologies to George Orwell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 28 3:20:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from n4600dc2.netnet.se (fw-46.netnet.se [195.17.81.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8DA37B796 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 03:19:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Vittorio.Pavesi@netnetitaly.it) Received: by n4600dc2.netnet.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:18:16 +0100 Message-ID: From: Vittorio.Pavesi@netnetitaly.it To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Problems During Installation Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:05:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear "Helper", I'm trying to istall FreeBSD 3.4 on a P200 MMX with 2GB HD and 32 MB RAM. I used makeflp to generate the floppies, then I used the kernel disk and the mfsroot disk, I followed every step and I selected CDROM Installation, it said write ... to WD0 and then it reboot the system. After the reboot it asked me to insert floppy disk and it doesn't start the installation from the CDROM. Can you please tell me where is my mistake ?? Best Regards Vittorio Pavesi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 28 10:23:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ms.jichi.ac.jp (ms.jichi.ac.jp [210.238.16.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF2137B914 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:23:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from t.inagaki@mail.club.ne.jp) Received: from main-vaio (stdom9.jichi.ac.jp [210.238.16.33]) by ms.jichi.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with SMTP id DAA20725 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 03:20:14 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 03:23:35 +0900 From: "t.inagaki" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: t.inagaki@mail.club.ne.jp Message-Id: <38BABD273CA.B130T.INAGAKI@ms.jichi.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.26 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe freebsd-newbies To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 29 7:17: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from www11.gmx.net (www11.gmx.net [194.221.183.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F56137BAFE for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 07:17:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from A.P.Barkey@gmx.de) Received: (qmail 16893 invoked by uid 0); 29 Feb 2000 15:17:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 16:17:04 +0100 (MET) From: Alexander Barkey To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: multi cd installation X-Authenticated-Sender: #0001428017@gmx.net X-Authenticated-IP: [62.158.56.185] Message-ID: <16535.951837424@www11.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.5 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, today i got my freebsd cd's and thought its kinda easy to install it, cause i have a lotta expirience with debian linux. but during installation there were errors and problems i found. my biggest problem is : when i select ALL for installing packages. it tells me after about 20min installing cd1 that the selected packages (which maybe should on cd #2,3 or 4) cannot be found on this media. and aborts. how can i tell freebsd to install multi cd like debian? and the other problem i have. i've got a avm fritz! pci ISDN card for pc. whats the program where i can load modules into the kernel? and where on these cd's are the isdn utils? the backcover of the 4 cd set tells that there's special support for this device. but i cant find anything about it. so long... Alexander P. Barkey Hypnotic-Noise Rec. -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 29 9: 5:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from binky.de.uu.net (binky.de.uu.net [192.76.144.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B42737BC04 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:05:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hk@thuer.slf.uunet.de) Received: from cisco.thuer.slf.uunet.de (pec-54-9.tnt2.b2.uunet.de [149.225.54.9]) by binky.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id SAA25443 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:05:26 +0100 (MET) Received: (from hk@localhost) by cisco.thuer.slf.uunet.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00499 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:02:48 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:02:48 +0100 From: Harald Kretzschmar To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: multi cd installation Message-ID: <20000229180248.A473@thuer.slf.uunet.de> Reply-To: Harald Kretzschmar Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <16535.951837424@www11.gmx.net>; from A.P.Barkey@gmx.de on Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 04:17:04PM +0100 Quoting Alexander Barkey : > Hi, > > today i got my freebsd cd's and thought its kinda easy to install it, > cause i have a lotta expirience with debian linux. ... > when i select ALL for installing packages. > it tells me after about 20min installing cd1 that the selected packages > (which maybe should on cd #2,3 or 4) cannot be found on this media. and > aborts. Have a look at: http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/3.4R/errata.html As shipped, the "Custom" installation option in 3.4 is broken and menu items like Configure don't work Fix: Both the "Novice" and "Express" install paths still work and can be used just as effectively (if not succinctly). Alternately, you can invoke the custom installation from the "Index" menu (Installation, Custom) along with the Configuration option. You can also just download a fixed mfsroot.flp floppy image (or boot.flp if you need 2.88MB boot media) from the following URL: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/3.4-RELEASE/floppies/updates/ The 3.4 ISO installation image is also updated to contain fixes for all these errata items. > and the other problem i have. i've got a avm fritz! pci ISDN card for pc. > whats the program where i can load modules into the kernel? > and where on these cd's are the isdn utils? ISDN is integrated in the kernel and your card is supported. You'll find the latest version at ftp://i4b.consol.de/pub (i4b-00.90.00-beta-111299.tar.gz). This file contains also a good installation guide. bye Harald -- E-Mail: hk@thuer.slf.uunet.de [BSD-UNIX UserID FBSD040654 (i686)] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 29 11:59:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f236.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 495C637BD8D for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:59:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ntvsunix@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 18546 invoked by uid 0); 29 Feb 2000 19:59:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20000229195916.18545.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.52.122.1 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:59:16 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.52.122.1] From: "Some Person" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: kbdcontrol -K / kbdcontrol -k kbd0 (bug?) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:59:16 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't know if this is a bug or what... I was just playing around on the console, did a kbdcontrol -K (lock the console keyboard) and telnet'd in, but then like the man page says, use 'kbdcontrol -k keyboard_devicename'. I tried this and doesn't work, tried kbdcontrol -k kbd0 and kbdcontrol -k /dev/kbd0. When I do this, turns around grunting at me and says : "kbdcontrol: cannot open kbd0: Device not configured". Is this a bug, or am I doing something wrong? Maybe someone else can try and let me know if it does it? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 29 15: 1:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-out.hughes.net (smtp-out.hughes.net [205.139.35.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637AB37B9EA for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:01:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jstarkey@polaris.umuc.edu) Received: from polaris.umuc.edu (5080-242.026.popsite.net [207.138.82.242]) by smtp-out.hughes.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11278 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:01:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38BC4FC6.3201E934@polaris.umuc.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 16:01:29 -0700 From: John Starkey Reply-To: jstarkey@polaris.umuc.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Signal 11 References: <20000229225352.65E8337BC12@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. I'm new here. Just signed on to this list about ten mins ago. I searched the archives and couldn't find a solution. I am getting a signal 11 when trying to install via FTP from my Linux Box (RH6.1). I d-loaded the 3.4-RELEASE to my Linux Box because I was getting the signal 11 while FTP'ing to ftp.freebsd.org. Though it might work via LAN. So does anyone know what this infamous "signal 11" might be??? Is it related to area 51??? Thanks, John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 29 15:38:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from relay1.mail.nyc1.globix.net (relay1.mail.nyc1.globix.net [209.10.66.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D6837BA71 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:38:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uncleben@mindspring.com) Received: from uncleben ([209.10.69.213]) by relay1.mail.nyc1.globix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/R) with ESMTP id SAA23166; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:38:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000229183342.00c0c630@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: uncleben@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:36:03 -0500 To: jstarkey@polaris.umuc.edu, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Ben Pitzer Subject: Re: Signal 11 In-Reply-To: <38BC4FC6.3201E934@polaris.umuc.edu> References: <20000229225352.65E8337BC12@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John, You might want to look for more confirmation of this elsewhere, but I'm pretty sure that this error indicates some problems with your memory. You might want to look at your hardware, and see about swapping some new memory modules in there just to be sure. I did have this problem with installing FreeBSD 3.4 on a friend's box a few weeks ago, and that's what it still looks like is at issue there, even though he's switched to a different OS. He's convinced that it's something else, even as Red Hat 6.1 crashes on him every 30 minutes. Anyway, it's something to look into, at the very least. Good luck! Regards, Ben Pitzer At 04:01 PM 2/29/00 -0700, John Starkey wrote: >Hi. I'm new here. Just signed on to this list about ten mins ago. I >searched the archives and couldn't find a solution. > >I am getting a signal 11 when trying to install via FTP from my Linux >Box (RH6.1). I d-loaded the 3.4-RELEASE to my Linux Box because I was >getting the signal 11 while FTP'ing to ftp.freebsd.org. Though it might >work via LAN. > >So does anyone know what this infamous "signal 11" might be??? Is it >related to area 51??? > >Thanks, > >John > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 29 15:45:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E46B37B8F1 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:45:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p81.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.81]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA71932; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 00:45:22 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA00465; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 00:40:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 00:40:14 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: John Starkey Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Signal 11 In-Reply-To: <38BC4FC6.3201E934@polaris.umuc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think this is "the well known signal 11 bug" of one of the 3.4 floppies. You will find details on this in the ftp.freebsd.org site. Somebody wrote about this in usenet. There are allways files like "errata" on the cds and the ftp site. Heiko On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, John Starkey wrote: > Hi. I'm new here. Just signed on to this list about ten mins ago. I > searched the archives and couldn't find a solution. > > I am getting a signal 11 when trying to install via FTP from my Linux > Box (RH6.1). I d-loaded the 3.4-RELEASE to my Linux Box because I was > getting the signal 11 while FTP'ing to ftp.freebsd.org. Though it might > work via LAN. > > So does anyone know what this infamous "signal 11" might be??? Is it > related to area 51??? > > Thanks, > > John > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 29 16:32:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55ED337BD10 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 16:32:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id QAA69841; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 16:32:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 16:32:27 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <200003010032.QAA69841@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: conrads@home.com, kamidesu@hotpop.com Subject: RE: tcpdump ? Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 00:32:49 -0600 (CST) >From: Conrad Sabatier >Tcpdump provides a running, realtime display (or "dump") of all of the >networking (TCP/IP) traffic on your machine,... >Odd thing for someone in the newbies list to be looking for, come to think >of it. :-) Depends on the respect in which the "someone" is a newbie -- after all, tcpdump works pretty well with other versions of UNIX, not just those that run on weird PC hardware.... :-} Cheers, david ("newbie" to PC hardware, even though I've been coping with it for 2 yrs.) -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 29 18:15:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com (zagnut.hotpop.com [204.57.55.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A48537BCEC for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:15:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kamidesu@hotpop.com) Received: from default (unknown [216.72.93.5]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C183639CA for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:15:24 -0500 (EST) From: m To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: kbdcontrol -K / kbdcontrol -k kbd0 (bug?) In-Reply-To: <20000229195916.18545.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <20000229195916.18545.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.25.07 Message-Id: <20000301021524.5C183639CA@zagnut.hotpop.com> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:15:24 -0500 (EST) X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I was just playing around on the console, did a kbdcontrol -K (lock the > console keyboard) and telnet'd in, but then like the man page says, use I always feared that instruction ... unlock it ... how? dunno. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 29 18:58:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-out.netins.net (ins22.netins.net [167.142.225.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3A837BD1F for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:58:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjryan@netins.net) Received: from irix (rdly-01-56.dialup.netins.net [207.177.84.57]) by smtp-out.netins.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA21374 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:58:29 -0600 (CST) From: "Adam" To: Subject: X Email clients Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:57:15 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know of an X e-mail client that has multiple pop3 account support and a spell checker? I have checked balsa out, I didn't like that very well , so I am up for all suggestions, what I really need is the multiple pop3 account support if anything, Thanks! Adam Ryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 29 19:25:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F6237BC1A for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 19:25:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jon@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09375; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:24:55 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:24:52 +1100 From: Jonathan Michaels To: John Starkey Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Signal 11 Message-ID: <20000301142450.A7549@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Reply-To: jon@welearn.com.au Mail-Followup-To: John Starkey , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000229225352.65E8337BC12@hub.freebsd.org> <38BC4FC6.3201E934@polaris.umuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <38BC4FC6.3201E934@polaris.umuc.edu>; from John Starkey on Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 04:01:29PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 04:01:29PM -0700, John Starkey wrote: > Hi. I'm new here. Just signed on to this list about ten mins ago. I > searched the archives and couldn't find a solution. try asking in an appropriate mailing list, such as freebsd-questions, we here are about learning how to ask questions, in a new environment. i think the mailing list charter says it all, it should be read by all new users of all mailing lists, as they (mailing lists) all have one. also, please not any answers that you may get might be from really green freebsd/unix/linux users who are taking a wild guess at what they think your probelm is based on the question that you are asking .. you really should followup in freebsd-questions or a good book in software design and or hardware -- sig11's are an often very, very missunderstood beastie. having said this, please go to the email archives, available via the freebsd web page at http;//www.freebsd.org, or a local (that is regional mirror. for example, in australia it would be http://www.au.freebsd.org this speedup the infromation retrieval and dosns't clog the trans pacific cable, or mae-east for that matter (in our case, ymmv). regards jonathan -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 29 19:53:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dns2.seanet.com (dns2.seanet.com [199.181.164.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8DD437BD58 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 19:53:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from esaylor@sprynet.com) Received: from popeye (g28.dialup.seanet.com [207.12.129.92]) by dns2.seanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA19446 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 19:53:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003001bf8331$ad26caa0$5c810ccf@popeye> From: "Eric Saylor" To: Subject: Disk error 0x4 (lba=0x10) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 19:53:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org System: Gateway2000 P-133 IDE 2.5GB NEC floppy disk Goldstar CDROM 80MB RAM (EDO SIMMs) Problem: I have failed to get through the kernel floppy portion of the CD-ROM installation. I made multiple floppies, which all produced the same error you see below. I have a FreeBSD 3.2 box at work that I installed over FTP. The kernel floppy from that installation booted two separate machines in my office. When I tried it my home box, it failed exactly as first disks did... The floppy drive seems OK under Win98 - I can format and use floppies under it. Can anyone help? _____________________ Eric Saylor Seanet Technical Support _____________________ Disk error 0x4 (lba=0x10) Disk error 0x4 (lba=0x10) No /boot/loader >>FreeBSD /i386 Boot Default: 0:fd(0,a) /kernel boot: Disk error 0x4 (lba=0x10) No /kernel >>FreeBSD /i386 Boot Default: 0:fd(0,a) /kernel boot: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 29 20: 8:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD89037BE5F for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:08:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jon@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09648; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:08:02 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:07:59 +1100 From: Jonathan Michaels To: Eric Saylor Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disk error 0x4 (lba=0x10) Message-ID: <20000301150757.C7549@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Reply-To: jon@welearn.com.au Mail-Followup-To: Eric Saylor , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <003001bf8331$ad26caa0$5c810ccf@popeye> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <003001bf8331$ad26caa0$5c810ccf@popeye>; from Eric Saylor on Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 07:53:14PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org eric, this one really should be handled by -questions, -hardware, all things being equal i'd followup this article to the above, but they are not and so it would be better coming form you. with regards, and, apologies. jonathan -- On Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 07:53:14PM -0800, Eric Saylor wrote: > System: > Gateway2000 P-133 > IDE 2.5GB > NEC floppy disk > Goldstar CDROM > 80MB RAM (EDO SIMMs) > > Problem: > I have failed to get through the kernel floppy portion of the CD-ROM > installation. I made multiple floppies, which all produced the same error > you see below. I have a FreeBSD 3.2 box at work that I installed over FTP. > The kernel floppy from that installation booted two separate machines in my > office. When I tried it my home box, it failed exactly as first disks did... > > The floppy drive seems OK under Win98 - I can format and use floppies under > it. > > Can anyone help? > > _____________________ > Eric Saylor > Seanet Technical Support > _____________________ > > > Disk error 0x4 (lba=0x10) > Disk error 0x4 (lba=0x10) > No /boot/loader > > >>FreeBSD /i386 Boot > Default: 0:fd(0,a) /kernel > boot: > Disk error 0x4 (lba=0x10) > > No /kernel > > >>FreeBSD /i386 Boot > Default: 0:fd(0,a) /kernel > boot: > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 29 20:12:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE4B37BFAD for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:12:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@simplenet.com) Received: from simplenet.com (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA50378; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:12:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@simplenet.com) Message-ID: <38BC98A5.38E8EE81@simplenet.com> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:12:21 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT-0227 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: X Email clients References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Adam wrote: > > Does anyone know of an X e-mail client that has multiple pop3 account > support and a spell checker? Netscape communicator. -- "Welcome to the desert of the real." - Laurence Fishburne as Morpheus, "The Matrix" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 29 20:56:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com [24.6.21.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B712837BD93 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:56:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from conrads@cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id WAA18360; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:56:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:56:21 -0600 From: Conrad Sabatier To: Adam Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X Email clients Message-ID: <20000229225621.A18159@home.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from mjryan@netins.net on Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 08:57:15PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 08:57:15PM -0600, Adam wrote: > > Does anyone know of an X e-mail client that has multiple pop3 account > support and a spell checker? > I have checked balsa out, I didn't like that very well , so I am up for all > suggestions, what I really need is the multiple pop3 account support if > anything, Take a look at XFMail. It's in the ports collection. -- Conrad Sabatier http://members.home.net/conrads/ ICQ# 1147270 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 29 23: 6:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f41.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C07C37BC50 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 23:06:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ntvsunix@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 45134 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2000 07:06:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20000301070626.45133.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.53.54.44 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 23:06:25 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.53.54.44] From: "Some Person" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: kbdcontrol -K / kbdcontrol -k kbd0 (bug?) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 23:06:25 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey m, I did get it to reboot, jsut by telnet'ing in and shutdown -r now. But, is this a bug or something, should I mention this to someone? > > I was just playing around on the console, did a kbdcontrol -K (lock the > > console keyboard) and telnet'd in, but then like the man page says, use > >I always feared that instruction ... >unlock it ... how? dunno. > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 1 2:38:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com (zagnut.hotpop.com [204.57.55.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E630837BE8B for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 02:38:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kamidesu@hotpop.com) Received: from default (unknown [216.72.93.64]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BA378639C5; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 05:38:02 -0500 (EST) From: m To: Some Person , newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kbdcontrol -K / kbdcontrol -k kbd0 (bug?) In-Reply-To: <20000301070626.45133.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <20000301070626.45133.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.25.07 Message-Id: <20000301103802.BA378639C5@zagnut.hotpop.com> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 05:38:02 -0500 (EST) X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Some Person" wisely said: > > Hey m, hehe, you asking me? I don't know much beyond shutdown (: > I did get it to reboot, jsut by telnet'ing in and shutdown -r now. But, is So, if I do it, the keyboard is locked, therefore, I don't have access to any of the consoles, right? could you use the keyboard OR the console where you issued that instruction? Then, how can I do a kbdcontrol -k if I dont have an active keyboard?? were you able to use the keyboard? You telnet'd from the same machine, from another console? I wanna try it, but ... > this a bug or something, should I mention this to someone? Sorry, don't know. I guess that's how it is supposed to be, you lock the console so no one can use it ... now I am full of doubts, help ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 1 9:54:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C24B37BEF9 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:54:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA6280; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:54:44 -0800 Message-ID: <38BD58E9.5524F74C@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 09:52:41 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: X Email clients References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Adam wrote: > > Does anyone know of an X e-mail client that has multiple pop3 account > support and a spell checker? > I have checked balsa out, I didn't like that very well , so I am up for all > suggestions, what I really need is the multiple pop3 account support if > anything, I've always used KMail, in the KDE desktop. It allows multiple pop3 accounts and has a spell checker. It's not as full featured as Netscape, but has the advantage of being much smaller (even if you're not already using KDE) and compiled for FreeBSD instead of needing the Linux compatibility stuff. David Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 1 11:26:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-out.hughes.net (smtp-out.hughes.net [205.139.35.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0452A37BD2E for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:26:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jstarkey@polaris.umuc.edu) Received: from polaris.umuc.edu (5080-242.026.popsite.net [207.138.82.242]) by smtp-out.hughes.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA36748; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:25:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38BD6EBF.5F478084@polaris.umuc.edu> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:26:20 -0700 From: John Starkey Reply-To: jstarkey@polaris.umuc.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Pitzer Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Signal 11 References: <20000229225352.65E8337BC12@hub.freebsd.org> <4.2.2.20000229183342.00c0c630@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ben thanks for the reply. I put two new simms in there and still didn't work. Thanks again, John Ben Pitzer wrote: > John, > > You might want to look for more confirmation of this elsewhere, but I'm > pretty sure that this error indicates some problems with your memory. You > might want to look at your hardware, and see about swapping some new memory > modules in there just to be sure. I did have this problem with installing > FreeBSD 3.4 on a friend's box a few weeks ago, and that's what it still > looks like is at issue there, even though he's switched to a different > OS. He's convinced that it's something else, even as Red Hat 6.1 crashes > on him every 30 minutes. > > Anyway, it's something to look into, at the very least. Good luck! > > Regards, > Ben Pitzer > > At 04:01 PM 2/29/00 -0700, John Starkey wrote: > >Hi. I'm new here. Just signed on to this list about ten mins ago. I > >searched the archives and couldn't find a solution. > > > >I am getting a signal 11 when trying to install via FTP from my Linux > >Box (RH6.1). I d-loaded the 3.4-RELEASE to my Linux Box because I was > >getting the signal 11 while FTP'ing to ftp.freebsd.org. Though it might > >work via LAN. > > > >So does anyone know what this infamous "signal 11" might be??? Is it > >related to area 51??? > > > >Thanks, > > > >John > > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 1 11:40:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f130.hotmail.com [216.32.181.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A43037C528 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:40:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from moasay@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 14053 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2000 19:40:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000301194036.14052.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 12.72.128.76 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:40:36 PST X-Originating-IP: [12.72.128.76] From: "Michael Oasay" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Help needed for newbie to UNIX Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 09:40:36 HST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To whom it may concern, I'm a wanna be UNIX Sys admin that would like some advice of how I can learn this OS and become solid at it. I actually want to become a Solaris Sys Admin, but I figure I'd start with learning UNIX, then LINUX and Solaris. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Mike. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 1 12:31:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f22.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 22FA237BEB7 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:31:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cgibin@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 87676 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2000 20:31:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000301203121.87675.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.162.207.74 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:31:21 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.162.207.74] From: "Robert B" To: newbies@freeBSD.org Subject: Building a 3.4 Stable Disc Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 20:31:21 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My CD burner doesn't support burning ISO images and I was wondering if it is possible to download the same contents that is on the disc without it being in a ISO format? Also I would be very interested to know what files I need to do a minimal install of FreeBSD with the ability to compile the Kernel? thanks Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 1 13: 8: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from honk.org (cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112CA37BAF3 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:08:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from spectre (mpoulin@cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by honk.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA02595; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:08:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:08:00 -0500 (EST) From: Marty Poulin X-Sender: mpoulin@spectre To: Michael Oasay Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help needed for newbie to UNIX In-Reply-To: <20000301194036.14052.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org _The Complete FreeBSD_ is a good (great!) start. You can order it online from www.cdrom.com Also, depending on how new you are to UNIX, you can get some good information to start at http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/new-users/index.html Of course, the FreeBSD Handbook (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook) couldn't hurt either. Other books: UNIX For Dummies More UNIX For Dummies Learning the UNIX Operating System (O'Reilly) UNIX in a Nutshell (O'Reilly - in fact, check out http://unix.oreilly.com for TONS of O'Reilly UNIX books) You can also get some decent training if you have the bucks to pay for it. Learning Tree has some good generic UNIX courses (www.learningtree.com) and there are some vendor-specific offerings (HP offers *EXCELLENT* training in HP-UX system administration - I have first hand experience with that - while specific to HP-UX, they cover everything a UNIX administrator needs to know) - I'm sure that Sun offers training as well. And there are a host of other training companies willing to take your money. Just keep in mind that FreeBSD and Solaris are about as different as two Unixes can be (FreeBSD is a direct descendant of 4.3 BSD-Lite, while Solaris is based on AT&T SYS V UNIX) - if you want to know more about that, look up the history of UNIX at http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/TUHS/Mirror/Hauben/unix-Contents.html HTH - M - On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Michael Oasay wrote: > To whom it may concern, > > I'm a wanna be UNIX Sys admin that would like some advice of how I can learn > this OS and become solid at it. I actually want to become a Solaris Sys > Admin, but I figure I'd start with learning UNIX, then LINUX and Solaris. > Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Mike. > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 1 14:31: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from havoc.scorched.com (kythorn2.upper.ul.warwick.net [208.228.96.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1ED37BB90 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:31:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kythorn@scorched.com) Received: from CHAOS (chaos.scorched.com [208.228.96.34]) by havoc.scorched.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA31648 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:33:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01bf83ce$0bd84e10$2260e4d0@CHAOS> From: "Jay Oliver" To: Subject: Does FreeBSD have any issues with larger IDE drives? Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:32:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I realize this is probably a silly question to ask, yet when I did ask the linux community (circa 2.2.13) the same question, the answer was a resounding no... and completely wrong. I completely lost all the data on the drive due to it seeing every cluster after a certain point and just wiping them in the bootup fsck. So I ask you now, are there any known issues with large (meaning 33.8+ gig) IDE drives currently in the 3.4 release? If not, are there any things I should be aware of, as it is currently one large ext2 partition? Can I leave it as such without any problems? Thank you, - Jay Oliver To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 1 16: 6: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E74A37BD6D for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:05:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id TAA22661; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:05:57 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts003d16.mer-id.concentric.net (ts003d16.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.124]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id TAA12329; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:05:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:02:58 -0700 (MST) From: mlduke To: Jay Oliver Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Does FreeBSD have any issues with larger IDE drives? In-Reply-To: <000d01bf83ce$0bd84e10$2260e4d0@CHAOS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would take this to the questions list were I you. We are Unix people, but not subscribed to "newbies" for nothing. Perhaps the same thing happened in the Linux community. ML Duke > I realize this is probably a silly question to ask, yet when I did ask the > linux community (circa 2.2.13) the same question, the answer was a > resounding no... and completely wrong. I completely lost all the data on > the drive due to it seeing every cluster after a certain point and just > wiping them in the bootup fsck. So I ask you now, are there any known > issues with large (meaning 33.8+ gig) IDE drives currently in the 3.4 > release? If not, are there any things I should be aware of, as it is > currently one large ext2 partition? Can I leave it as such without any > problems? > > Thank you, > - Jay Oliver > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 1 16: 9:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A9037C3E3 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:09:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id TAA18146; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:09:07 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts003d16.mer-id.concentric.net (ts003d16.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.124]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id TAA03148; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:09:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:06:33 -0700 (MST) From: mlduke To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Sysadmin Material In-Reply-To: <000d01bf83ce$0bd84e10$2260e4d0@CHAOS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Somebody asked. The following is from my Unix Mentor who knows what he is about; Begin quote: He probably wants "the Complete FreeBSD" from Walnut creek. He also wants: "Unix in a Nutshell" O'Reilly "Learning the Vi Editor" O'Reilly "Essential System Administration" by Aeleen Frisch -- O'Reilly "4.4BSD System Manager's Manual" O'Reilly "Unix System Administration" by Nemeth -- (Prentice Hall, I think) In addition: "The Unix Programming Environment" by Kernighan & Pike -- Prentice Hall "Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment" by Stevens -- Addison-Wesley "Programming Perl" O'Reilly (The Camel Book) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 1 16:48:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECAAB37BE73 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:48:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jon@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14856; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:48:40 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:48:33 +1100 From: Jonathan Michaels To: Jay Oliver Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Does FreeBSD have any issues with larger IDE drives? Message-ID: <20000302114826.B14641@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Reply-To: jon@welearn.com.au Mail-Followup-To: Jay Oliver , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <000d01bf83ce$0bd84e10$2260e4d0@CHAOS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <000d01bf83ce$0bd84e10$2260e4d0@CHAOS>; from Jay Oliver on Wed, Mar 01, 2000 at 05:32:36PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org jay think about this fro a moment .. you are asking people who know little or nothing about the basic workings of unix or freebsd, your question is targeted at teh heart of the operating system and how said objects deal with hardware. maybe it it were some sort of standardised hardware like scsi than a guess right out of left filed might come up trumps, but, ide based stuff is a nightmare att eh best of times. these sorts of questions are best asked in freebsd-questions and fro followup move to freebsd-hardware. freebsd-newbies, is fro people learning how to be freebsd users, not seasoned users capable of diagnosing shot in the dark issues with hardware that is less than stable (from an engineering development perspective). regards jonathan -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 1 16:59:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D1C37BEC6 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:59:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jon@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14928; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:59:11 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:59:08 +1100 From: Jonathan Michaels To: mlduke Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sysadmin Material Message-ID: <20000302115906.C14641@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Reply-To: jon@welearn.com.au Mail-Followup-To: mlduke , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <000d01bf83ce$0bd84e10$2260e4d0@CHAOS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from mlduke on Wed, Mar 01, 2000 at 04:06:33PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org to the list below, i'd add one other to make it a complete book shelf for the budding sys admin. well, thier are a few others, such as craig hunts tcp/ip admin, but i new noting about tcp/ip when i came to mainstream unix some 8 years ago. prior to that i was imeresed in os9 and qnx (stand alone scada and process control) "Sendmail 2nd Ed" O'Reilly On Wed, Mar 01, 2000 at 04:06:33PM -0700, mlduke wrote: > Somebody asked. > > The following is from my Unix Mentor who knows what he is about; > Begin quote: > > He probably wants "the Complete FreeBSD" from Walnut creek. > > He also wants: > "Unix in a Nutshell" O'Reilly > "Learning the Vi Editor" O'Reilly > "Essential System Administration" by Aeleen Frisch -- O'Reilly > "4.4BSD System Manager's Manual" O'Reilly > "Unix System Administration" by Nemeth -- (Prentice Hall, I think) > > In addition: > "The Unix Programming Environment" by Kernighan & Pike -- Prentice Hall > "Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment" by Stevens -- Addison-Wesley > "Programming Perl" O'Reilly (The Camel Book) > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 2 1:12:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864AC37BF7D for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 01:12:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p161.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.161]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA73010; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:10:59 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA00471; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:12:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:12:16 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Jonathan Michaels Cc: mlduke , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sysadmin Material In-Reply-To: <20000302115906.C14641@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > for the budding sys admin. well, thier are a few others, such as craig > hunts tcp/ip admin, but i new noting about tcp/ip when i came to I read the olden but golden tcpip files from ftp://athos.rutgers.edu/runet (?), tcpip-intro.doc and tcpip-admin.doc for an overview. And somebody gave me tcpip illustrated ii. Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 2 1:14:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E431A37C125 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 01:14:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p177.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.177]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA37100; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:14:05 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA00471; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:12:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:12:16 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Jonathan Michaels Cc: mlduke , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sysadmin Material In-Reply-To: <20000302115906.C14641@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > for the budding sys admin. well, thier are a few others, such as craig > hunts tcp/ip admin, but i new noting about tcp/ip when i came to I read the olden but golden tcpip files from ftp://athos.rutgers.edu/runet (?), tcpip-intro.doc and tcpip-admin.doc for an overview. And somebody gave me tcpip illustrated ii. Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 2 3:31:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc737825-a.etntwn1.nj.home.com (cc737825-a.etntwn1.nj.home.com [24.3.202.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57FA37BBBB for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 03:31:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drmoreau@cc737825-a.etntwn1.nj.home.com) Received: (from drmoreau@localhost) by cc737825-a.etntwn1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA00581; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 06:31:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 06:31:54 -0500 From: Chris To: Heiko Recktenwald Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Sysadmin Material Message-ID: <20000302063154.B552@cc737825-a.etntwn1.nj.home.com> References: <20000302115906.C14641@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0us In-Reply-To: ; from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de on Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 09:12:16AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 09:12:16AM +0100, Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > > for the budding sys admin. well, thier are a few others, such as craig > > hunts tcp/ip admin, but i new noting about tcp/ip when i came to > > I read the olden but golden tcpip files from > ftp://athos.rutgers.edu/runet (?), tcpip-intro.doc and tcpip-admin.doc for > an overview. And somebody gave me tcpip illustrated ii. > > I missed the start, just started my first operator job..knew nothing I found out about TCP/IP. I'm in the middle of an excellent book by Tannenbaum on TCP/IP now. The only concept I had after several years of tinkering here at home with no scalability was of the connection layer and the application layers. Even at that it was a totally misconstrued base. The book is "Computer Networks" 3rd ed. by Andrew S. Tanenbaum pub Prentice Hall. His analogies are really simply put, glad I came across it. He has man other books out, this will not be the only one I read. > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 2 4: 8:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.tiki.ne.jp (mx2.tiki.ne.jp [210.238.45.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991E237BFAA for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 04:08:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from s-na@mx2.tiki.ne.jp) Received: from mx2.tiki.ne.jp (cbb3c0-023.tiki.ne.jp [203.179.192.23]) by mx2.tiki.ne.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with SMTP id VAA10673 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:08:06 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:08:06 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200003021208.VAA10673@mx2.tiki.ne.jp> From: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCJSghPCVTITw+JklKJTslcyU/ITwbKEI=?= To: =?iso-2022-jp?B?ZnJlZWJzZC1uZXdiaWVzQEZyZWVCU0QuT1JH?= Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?XiQ5GyhCISE=?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset= "ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ************************************************************** $B!!I{6H!&%5%$%I!&:b%F%/7O!&%Q%=%3%s!&7HBSEEOC!&%M%C%H%o!<%/(B $B!!2=>QIJ!&%?%&%s>pJs;o5Z$S%S%8%M%9>pJs;oH/9T85!&DLHN(B $B!!7r9/4XO"!&(BE-mail$B%"%I%l%9Ey$N3F\$7$$;qNA5Z$SL\O?I=$rL5NA$G?JDhCf!*(B $B!!!!!}$"$J$?$N=;=j!&;aL>!&#T#E#L!&#F#A#X$rL@5-$N>e(B $B!!!!!!#F#A#X$G;qNA$r@A5a$7$F$/$@$5$$!#(B *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* $B!!!!!!!c!c!c!c!c!c;qNA5Z$SL\O?I=$N@A5a@h!d!d!d!d!d!d(B $B!!!!!!!!!J#F#A#X!K!!#0#9#4#2(B-$B#5#2(B-$B#3#6#1#1(B $B!!!!!!!!!!")#8#3#3(B-$B#0#0#5#2(B $B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!J!2,8)C^8e;TBg;z@>L6ED#3#5#9#5(B-$B#4(B $B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!%(!<%S!<>&IJ%;%s%?!<(B *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 2 6: 4: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web2201.mail.yahoo.com (web2201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 28AE337BBD9 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 06:04:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from charlesdillon@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 29192 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2000 14:03:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000302140359.29191.qmail@web2201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.217.87.228] by web2201.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 06:03:59 PST Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 06:03:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Charles F. Dillon" Subject: Documention Location To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there documentation on updateing 3.3-RELEASE to 3.4-RELEASE via ISO-9660 CD images, and the steps that follow. (i.e. pgk_version(1) to update pkgs afterward) Please CC to me also. thanks -- cfd ===== charlesdillon@yahoo.com Charles F. Dillon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! 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My answer is: spamrecycle@chooseyourmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 2 11:50: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cliff.acs.oakland.edu (cliff.acs.oakland.edu [141.210.10.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF8337B524 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:49:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from emmason@oakland.edu) Received: from Q (pm343-36.dialip.mich.net [207.74.188.95]) by cliff.acs.oakland.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA24552 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:49:19 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "Eric Mason" To: Subject: help! Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:46:18 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BF8456.11769060" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BF8456.11769060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I need to get this thing setup as my main internet server. It apears I don't have a /etc/resolv.conf file and I need to enter the primary/secondary DNS/WINS into it. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BF8456.11769060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I need = to get this=20 thing setup as my main internet server. It apears I don't have a=20 /etc/resolv.conf file and I need to enter the primary/secondary DNS/WINS = into=20 it.
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BF8456.11769060-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 2 13: 4:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D08337BD7B for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:04:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jthiel@chc-chimes.com) Received: from BARRACUDA (pixnat.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.20]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B54C1C4A; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:04:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004501bf848a$ea83c240$445110ac@BARRACUDA> From: "Jeremy Thiel" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: help! Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:04:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01BF8461.01A49280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BF8461.01A49280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fire up your favorite editor and make an /etc/resolv.conf. something like this: nameserver primary.foo.com nameserver secondary.foo.com check out the www.freebsd.org/handbook/ for more info.=20 ... Jeremy Thiel Network Support Tech. Computer Horizons Corp. - CVM jthiel@chc-chimes.com ... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Eric Mason=20 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org=20 Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 2:46 PM Subject: help! I need to get this thing setup as my main internet server. It apears I = don't have a /etc/resolv.conf file and I need to enter the = primary/secondary DNS/WINS into it. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BF8461.01A49280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Fire up your favorite editor and make = an=20 /etc/resolv.conf.
 
something like this:
 
nameserver   =20 primary.foo.com
nameserver   =20 secondary.foo.com
 
check out the www.freebsd.org/handbook/ = for more=20 info.
 

...
Jeremy Thiel
Network = Support=20 Tech.
Computer Horizons Corp. - CVM
jthiel@chc-chimes.com
...
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Eric Mason=20
To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org =
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 = 2:46=20 PM
Subject: help!

I = need to get this=20 thing setup as my main internet server. It apears I don't have a=20 /etc/resolv.conf file and I need to enter the primary/secondary = DNS/WINS into=20 it.
------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BF8461.01A49280-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 2 17:20:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (brisba6.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.66.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F75937BF1B for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:20:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28998 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:20:35 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "ROADRUNNER" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdX27820; Fri Mar 3 11:20:25 2000 Message-ID: <027501bf84ae$9a4c4990$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> From: "Doug Young" To: Subject: X window client for Windows 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:19:58 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can anyone suggest a good X window client that works in Windows2000 & lets me run applications on my LAN connected FreeBSD machine?? I tried the MacroImages thing but it seems to be badly broken .... there should be something (hopefully on the free list) out there that is OK though To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 2 17:59: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BC137BF80 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:59:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from maneben@charlie.cns.iit.edu) Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by charlie.cns.iit.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id TAA76856; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:57:02 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:57:02 -0600 From: "Benjamin M. Manes" To: Doug Young Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X window client for Windows 2000 In-Reply-To: <027501bf84ae$9a4c4990$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Can anyone suggest a good X window client that works in Windows2000 > & lets me run applications on my LAN connected FreeBSD machine?? > > I tried the MacroImages thing but it seems to be badly broken .... there > should be something (hopefully on the free list) out there that is OK though I use Xwin32. I know it works in 95/98/NT, and I believe they list Windows 2000 as a supported platform. For non-regestered versions, you have a 2-hour limit to have a session open, but there's no 30-day type of timeout. Never had a problem in years. The one thing I'm not sure on is if it works well with ssh, and when I asked I was given a 'it kind of can' answer. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 2 21:41:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from io.dreamscape.com (io.dreamscape.com [206.64.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5126737B6D0 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:41:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from halstead@dreamscape.com) Received: from jameshal (sA6-p59.dreamscape.com [207.198.13.187]) by io.dreamscape.com (8.9.3/8.8.4) with SMTP id AAA25576; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:40:31 -0500 (EST) X-Dreamscape-Track-A: sA6-p59.dreamscape.com [207.198.13.187] X-Dreamscape-Track-B: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:40:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <018601bf84d3$3d20f840$bb0dc6cf@jameshal> From: "James Halstead" To: "Doug Young" Cc: "newbies @freeBSD.org" References: <027501bf84ae$9a4c4990$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> Subject: Re: X window client for Windows 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:42:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I use VNC on 95/98/NT systems, should work with 2000. The unix source can be found at: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ I haven't had any problems with it yet. Hope this helps ;> James. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- For public key go to: http://www.dreamscape.com/halstead/jh.asc - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Young" To: Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 8:19 PM Subject: X window client for Windows 2000 > Can anyone suggest a good X window client that works in Windows2000 > & lets me run applications on my LAN connected FreeBSD machine?? > > I tried the MacroImages thing but it seems to be badly broken .... > there should be something (hopefully on the free list) out there > that is OK though > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.1 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOL9QtzrMZSc9ksG1EQIcegCePowsSeey0Y89zMGkQNXE44XAFGcAoMc3 onw6uB8vMRRmJGwccWCu3Rx1 =wf7B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 3 1:13:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218D837B608 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 01:13:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p44.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.44]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA55260; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:12:56 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA00381; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:05:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:05:31 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: "Benjamin M. Manes" Cc: Doug Young , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X window client for Windows 2000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I tried the MacroImages thing but it seems to be badly broken .... there > > should be something (hopefully on the free list) out there that is OK though It cannot do X Release *6*, its 5. > > I use Xwin32. I know it works in 95/98/NT, and I believe they list Windows > 2000 as a supported platform. For non-regestered versions, you have a > 2-hour limit to have a session open, but there's no 30-day type of I have it too. > timeout. Never had a problem in years. The one thing I'm not sure on is > if it works well with ssh, and when I asked I was given a 'it kind of can' > answer. It works with my ssh 1 thing, the first thing I ever compiled (except kernels) Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 3 5:58:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from Astrovan.cstone.net (mailstop.cstone.net [205.197.102.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7F837B579 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 05:58:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@cstone.net) Received: from cstone.net (nomad.eng.cstone.net [209.145.66.28]) by Astrovan.cstone.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59789U13500L1350S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:53:56 -0500 Message-ID: <38BFC2DB.AF00DBD3@cstone.net> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 08:49:15 -0500 From: "William E. 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  --------------185419732AA0B98AEBA8E507-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 3 6: 7:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.jmu.edu (falcon.jmu.edu [134.126.10.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E044437B570 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 06:07:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tsuchikx@jmu.edu) Received: from localhost (tsuchikx@localhost) by falcon.jmu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA13978 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:07:47 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: falcon.jmu.edu: tsuchikx owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:07:47 -0500 (EST) From: kazuho tsuchida To: FREEBSD-NEWBIES@freebsd.org Subject: X-windows file manager Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello guys, I have AfterStep for my X-windows file manager, bur I want to change to something else. How do I do it? Also, if I want to run KDE, what are the steps to install it and run? Thanks in advance, kaz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 3 9:16:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com (zagnut.hotpop.com [204.57.55.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F52B37B675 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:16:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kamidesu@hotpop.com) Received: from default (unknown [216.72.93.49]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D037E639C7 for ; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 12:16:20 -0500 (EST) From: m To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.25.07 Message-Id: <20000303171620.D037E639C7@zagnut.hotpop.com> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 12:16:20 -0500 (EST) X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I came here, being this a pretty small tiny petty doubt in my mind. Look at this dir listing. -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 33316 Sep 16 18:48 MAKEDEV -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2068 Sep 16 18:48 MAKEDEV.local brw-r----- 1 root operator 19, 0 Nov 19 18:29 acd0a brw-r----- 1 root operator 19, 2 Nov 19 18:29 acd0c crw-rw---- 1 root operator 39, 0 Nov 19 18:29 apm crw-rw---- 1 root operator 39, 8 Nov 19 18:29 apmctl The numbers after OPERATOR are the file sizes, right? How come!?!?!? 39, 0? blocks? and in the same listing, we have numbers like 2068 ... I don't get it. Bye. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 3 9:46:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9F737B5CE for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:46:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id JAA06768; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:46:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:46:06 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <200003031746.JAA06768@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, kamidesu@hotpop.com Subject: Re: Question In-Reply-To: <20000303171620.D037E639C7@zagnut.hotpop.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From: m >Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 12:16:20 -0500 (EST) > I came here, being this a pretty small tiny petty doubt in my mind. > Look at this dir listing. >-r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 33316 Sep 16 18:48 MAKEDEV >-r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2068 Sep 16 18:48 MAKEDEV.local >brw-r----- 1 root operator 19, 0 Nov 19 18:29 acd0a >brw-r----- 1 root operator 19, 2 Nov 19 18:29 acd0c >crw-rw---- 1 root operator 39, 0 Nov 19 18:29 apm >crw-rw---- 1 root operator 39, 8 Nov 19 18:29 apmctl >The numbers after OPERATOR are the file sizes, right? >How come!?!?!? 39, 0? blocks? and in the same listing, we have numbers >like 2068 ... For the entries that begin either "brw-" or "crw-", no. Those are block- and character-mode "device special" files (respectively). And for device specail files, the "file size" doesn't make sense, so ls shows the "major" and "minor" device numbers there (respectively). (The "major" device indicates which driver handles the device; the minor device indicates which occurrence of the kind of device it is.) Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 3 9:50:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC0137B65D for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:50:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA26B3; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:50:57 -0800 Message-ID: <38BFFB03.8958D661@acuson.com> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:48:51 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kazuho tsuchida Cc: FREEBSD-NEWBIES@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X-windows file manager References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org kazuho tsuchida wrote: > I have AfterStep for my X-windows file > manager, bur I want to change to something > else. How do I do it? Also, if I want to > run KDE, what are the steps to install it > and run? To install KDE, use sysinstall. This should be the easiest way. To run it, edit your .xinitrc to have the single line: exec startkde David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 3 17:30:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B05D37B5DE for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:30:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28760 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 12:30:12 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 12:30:12 +1100 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200003040130.MAA28760@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 3 18:17:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from russian-caravan.cloud9.net (russian-caravan.cloud9.net [168.100.1.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCE237B72E for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:17:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from undo@cloud9.net) Received: from ydl.andu (undo.dialup.cloud9.net [168.100.212.51]) by russian-caravan.cloud9.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D006767C3 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:17:04 -0500 (EST) From: andu Reply-To: undo@cloud9.net To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 20:45:51 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: <200003040130.MAA28760@phoenix.welearn.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00030321165900.00428@ydl.andu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 03 Mar 2000, Sue Blake wrote: I'm sure this is meant to help and keep things in order but to me it sounds a little like over medication. A newbie asks questions to get something going, to have some motivation to go on. > FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit > > (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. > It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) > > FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about > installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests > are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. > > FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to > questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. > > FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and > covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt > with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on > our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how > to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to > use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, > moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the > FreeBSD community. I find it rather absurd to have a list where I can ask where I can ask for help. I asked my question, I got a good answer, others benefited too and that's the end of the story. I find it hard to believe that a FreeBsd beginner joins a list just to hang out with other newbies. >We take our problems and support questions to > freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are > doing the same things that we do as newbies. > > One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find > help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: > > When something doesn't work the way you expect > > 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at > http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and > security advisories. > 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at > http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html > 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of > `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question > to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. > > Mailing lists > > When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only > one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. > FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as > more general and advanced questions. > > You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a > question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you > personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and > followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them > different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to > freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the > recent questions and their answers. > > Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at > http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer > FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when > they get questions which are difficult to understand. > http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. > > If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and > ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to > the support mailing list. > > Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing > list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might > get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. > > Other mailing lists > (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) > cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll > need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's > probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for > advice about where to post a more specialised question. > > FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional > announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick > Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. > > Manuals > > You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to > use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not > always as easy as it sounds! > > If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a > brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, > always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you > do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. > > Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is > encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at > http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html > > Other resources > > A resource list is available at > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and > inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It > includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web > pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a > suggestion for good material to be included, please write to > freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. > > But I have seen people asking questions here! > > It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a > mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from > time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't > belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose > job it is to sort these problems out privately. > > The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It > is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies > so we all make mistakes. That's OK. > > One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, > believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, > not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the > situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to > redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. > There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. > > So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions > as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies > can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on > our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not > allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the > mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. -- Regards, Andu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 3 19:27:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF6337B71E for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:27:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from johnmpurser@home.com) Received: from C37259A ([24.9.57.64]) by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <20000304032750.XALH9076.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@C37259A>; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:27:50 -0800 Reply-To: From: "John Purser" To: , Subject: RE: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:26:49 -0800 Message-ID: <000001bf8589$7b0b11c0$40390918@vncvr1.wa.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-reply-to: <00030321165900.00428@ydl.andu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andu, On the surface, I'd agree with you. I felt the same way when I first got shot down for asking questions on the newbies list. However there are other concerns that the current policy supports. The idea is that all questions are asked and hopefully answered in one forum. This means the powers that be can monitor one list for problems and archive searches can be done on the same list to access all previous questions and answers. At least that's my understanding. I agree with you that as a newbie I'm pretty much just a bundle of unanswered questions. If I can't ask them on newbies then what do I do there? Answer: Not much. Other newbies seem to have found out the same thing. The only letters I know I've received from the newbies list is Sue's monthly letter on how to use the newbies list! So subscribe to questions and any other lists you're interested in. There are a lot of other newbies listening in so go ahead and express your ignorance and live with the consequences. Somebody else will have asked a sillier question last week and I guarantee there's an even sillier one coming. Like my next one for instance! Have fun, John Purser Currently boycotting Amazon.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of andu Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 5:46 PM To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit On Fri, 03 Mar 2000, Sue Blake wrote: I'm sure this is meant to help and keep things in order but to me it sounds a little like over medication. A newbie asks questions to get something going, to have some motivation to go on. > FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit > > (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. > It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) > > FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about > installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests > are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. > > FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to > questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. > > FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and > covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt > with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on > our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how > to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to > use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, > moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the > FreeBSD community. I find it rather absurd to have a list where I can ask where I can ask for help. I asked my question, I got a good answer, others benefited too and that's the end of the story. I find it hard to believe that a FreeBsd beginner joins a list just to hang out with other newbies. >We take our problems and support questions to > freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are > doing the same things that we do as newbies. > > One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find > help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: > > When something doesn't work the way you expect > > 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at > http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and > security advisories. > 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at > http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html > 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of > `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question > to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. > > Mailing lists > > When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only > one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. > FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as > more general and advanced questions. > > You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a > question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you > personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and > followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them > different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to > freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the > recent questions and their answers. > > Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at > http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer > FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when > they get questions which are difficult to understand. > http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. > > If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and > ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to > the support mailing list. > > Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing > list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might > get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. > > Other mailing lists > (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) > cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll > need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's > probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for > advice about where to post a more specialised question. > > FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional > announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick > Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. > > Manuals > > You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to > use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not > always as easy as it sounds! > > If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a > brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, > always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you > do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. > > Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is > encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at > http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html > > Other resources > > A resource list is available at > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and > inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It > includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web > pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a > suggestion for good material to be included, please write to > freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. > > But I have seen people asking questions here! > > It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a > mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from > time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't > belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose > job it is to sort these problems out privately. > > The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It > is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies > so we all make mistakes. That's OK. > > One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, > believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, > not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the > situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to > redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. > There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. > > So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions > as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies > can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on > our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not > allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the > mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. -- Regards, Andu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 3 21:18:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.jmu.edu (falcon.jmu.edu [134.126.10.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E1337B514 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:18:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tsuchikx@jmu.edu) Received: from localhost (tsuchikx@localhost) by falcon.jmu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA28992 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 00:18:02 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: falcon.jmu.edu: tsuchikx owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 00:18:01 -0500 (EST) From: kazuho tsuchida Reply-To: kazuho tsuchida To: FREEBSD-NEWBIES@freebsd.org Subject: Problem with KDE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, Thanks to David, I now run KDE, but I encounter with another problem. all characters shown in title bar, menu, and everywhere else in the screen look wierd. I mean they look like this; %3%sH%W%$; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 23:50:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keen@keen.ru) Received: from p217-n67.dip.aha.ru (p217-n67.dip.aha.ru [195.2.67.217]) by unclear.rinet.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA93879 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 10:53:25 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from keen@keen.ru) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 10:49:54 +0300 From: Constantine Vetlov X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.38e) S/N A1D26E39 / Educational Reply-To: Constantine Vetlov X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <14451.000304@keen.ru> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe help To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 3 23:51: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mello.ucsf.edu (mello.ucsf.edu [128.218.69.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E9B3137B5E0 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 23:51:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@msg.ucsf.edu) Received: (qmail 2921 invoked by uid 391); 4 Mar 2000 07:51:56 -0000 From: matt@msg.ucsf.edu Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 23:51:56 -0800 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: best way to sync /usr/ports? Message-ID: <20000303235156.A2902@mello.ucsf.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i X-PureVoice: Voicemail welcome. http://www.eudora.com/purevoice Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i use 3.4-release and want to keep my /usr/ports up to date. i see 3 choices in the manual. AnonCVS, CVSup, and CTM. which would you recommend for someone just interested in /usr/ports? ---matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 4 0: 9:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from brent.tccsweb.com (cr314206-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.53.176]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A65637B535 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 00:09:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brent@talou.net) Received: from talou.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by brent.tccsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21390; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 00:08:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brent@talou.net) Message-ID: <38C0C47A.D12688E0@talou.net> Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 00:08:26 -0800 From: Brent Rector X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: johnmpurser@home.com Cc: undo@cloud9.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit References: <000001bf8589$7b0b11c0$40390918@vncvr1.wa.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Good Day Everyone, I personally agree that questions about installation and technical aspects of FreeBSD should be directed to the questions@freebsd.org list. I enjoy the posts of the newbies who are telling people about thier particular accomplishments, trials and tribulations. As someone that was a complete newbie two years ago to FreeBSD and Unix as a whole, I found the people that answered my questions on the questions list to be very patient, informative... and without them I would not be where I am today. This list is for the "newbie" to share his/her experiences and accomplishments are to chat about topics in relation to FreeBSD. I know its a very fine line but you will find everyone on the questions list very helpful... and moreso they have been where you are right now.. and we understand.... so ask your questions and you will find responses informative and helpful. Sincerely Brent L. Rector SysAdmin Talou Internet Services Corp. John Purser wrote: > > Andu, > > On the surface, I'd agree with you. I felt the same way when I first got > shot down for asking questions on the newbies list. However there are other > concerns that the current policy supports. The idea is that all questions > are asked and hopefully answered in one forum. This means the powers that > be can monitor one list for problems and archive searches can be done on the > same list to access all previous questions and answers. > > At least that's my understanding. > > I agree with you that as a newbie I'm pretty much just a bundle of > unanswered questions. If I can't ask them on newbies then what do I do > there? Answer: Not much. Other newbies seem to have found out the same > thing. The only letters I know I've received from the newbies list is Sue's > monthly letter on how to use the newbies list! > > So subscribe to questions and any other lists you're interested in. There > are a lot of other newbies listening in so go ahead and express your > ignorance and live with the consequences. Somebody else will have asked a > sillier question last week and I guarantee there's an even sillier one > coming. > > Like my next one for instance! > > Have fun, > > John Purser > > Currently boycotting Amazon.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of andu > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 5:46 PM > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit > > On Fri, 03 Mar 2000, Sue Blake wrote: > > I'm sure this is meant to help and keep things in order but to me it sounds > a > little like over medication. > A newbie asks questions to get something going, to > have some motivation to go on. > > > FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit > > > > (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. > > It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) > > > > FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about > > installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests > > are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. > > > > FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to > > questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. > > > > FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and > > covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt > > with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on > > our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how > > to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to > > use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, > > moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the > > FreeBSD community. > > I find it rather absurd to have a list where I can ask where I can ask for > help. > I asked my question, I got a good answer, others benefited too and that's > the > end of the story. I find it hard to believe that a FreeBsd beginner joins a > list > just to hang out with other newbies. > > >We take our problems and support questions to > > freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are > > doing the same things that we do as newbies. > > > > One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find > > help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: > > > > When something doesn't work the way you expect > > > > 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at > > http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and > > security advisories. > > 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at > > http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html > > 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of > > `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question > > to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. > > > > Mailing lists > > > > When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only > > one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. > > FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as > > more general and advanced questions. > > > > You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a > > question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you > > personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and > > followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them > > different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to > > freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the > > recent questions and their answers. > > > > Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at > > http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer > > FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when > > they get questions which are difficult to understand. > > http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. > > > > If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and > > ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to > > the support mailing list. > > > > Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing > > list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might > > get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. > > > > Other mailing lists > > (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) > > cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll > > need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's > > probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for > > advice about where to post a more specialised question. > > > > FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional > > announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick > > Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. > > > > Manuals > > > > You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to > > use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not > > always as easy as it sounds! > > > > If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a > > brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, > > always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you > > do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. > > > > Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is > > encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at > > http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html > > > > Other resources > > > > A resource list is available at > > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and > > inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It > > includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web > > pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a > > suggestion for good material to be included, please write to > > freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. > > > > But I have seen people asking questions here! > > > > It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a > > mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from > > time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't > > belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose > > job it is to sort these problems out privately. > > > > The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It > > is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies > > so we all make mistakes. That's OK. > > > > One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, > > believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, > > not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the > > situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to > > redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. > > There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. > > > > So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions > > as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies > > can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on > > our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not > > allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the > > mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. > > -- > Regards, Andu > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 4 1:10: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mello.ucsf.edu (mello.ucsf.edu [128.218.69.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B6C837B5C9 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 01:09:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@msg.ucsf.edu) Received: (qmail 3219 invoked by uid 391); 4 Mar 2000 09:10:45 -0000 From: matt@msg.ucsf.edu Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 01:10:45 -0800 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: best way to sync /usr/ports? Message-ID: <20000304011045.B2902@mello.ucsf.edu> References: <20000303235156.A2902@mello.ucsf.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000303235156.A2902@mello.ucsf.edu>; from matt@msg.ucsf.edu on Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 11:51:56PM -0800 X-PureVoice: Voicemail welcome. http://www.eudora.com/purevoice Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org well i gave CVSup a shot. worked like a charm. /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile just needed to be slightly edited and i was good to go. ---matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 4 1:38:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C369837B6A5 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 01:38:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jon@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30042; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:38:29 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:38:25 +1100 From: Jonathan Michaels To: andu Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Message-ID: <20000304203823.A29952@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Reply-To: jon@welearn.com.au Mail-Followup-To: andu , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200003040130.MAA28760@phoenix.welearn.com.au> <00030321165900.00428@ydl.andu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <00030321165900.00428@ydl.andu>; from andu on Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 08:45:51PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org greetings to all, On Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 08:45:51PM -0500, andu wrote: > On Fri, 03 Mar 2000, Sue Blake wrote: > > I'm sure this is meant to help and keep things in order but to me it sounds a > little like over medication. > A newbie asks questions to get something going, to > have some motivation to go on. a real newbie ask questions to reasure themselves that ttey are not alone and where to find out about how to do what they are doing. in essance how to learn about the topic at hand. a technically competent unix user who is new to freebsd may ask questions that are appropriate to freebsd-questions in the freebsd-newbies forum by mistake and this sadly has some damaging consequences to those who re new to unix and new to freebsd .. these people would have read the charter and found out what is expected of them in freebsd-newbies and participated accordingly. freebsd-newbies is not for technical support, it is for the learning of how to learn about freebsd and the relevent side issues .. please read the charter. > > FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit > > > > (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. > > It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) > > > > FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about > > installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests > > are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. > > > > FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to > > questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. > > > > FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and > > covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt > > with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on > > our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how > > to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to > > use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, > > moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the > > FreeBSD community. > > I find it rather absurd to have a list where I can ask where I can ask for help. > I asked my question, freebsd-newbies is fro people new to unix, new to freebsd. -newbies is for the asking of question about how to find the answers to questionsabout ones system and about howto learn about freebsd, *bsd and to some degree unix in general. check out the charter. > I got a good answer, others benefited too and that's the > end of the story. I find it hard to believe that a FreeBsd beginner joins a list > just to hang out with other newbies. this is presicely what freebsd-newbies is all about. it is a place were people can fell comfortable about asking the stupid questions that newbies ask about learning how to sk questions, the kind of questions the freebsd-* would get you flamed all the way out past the black stump. freebsd-newbies is a place to congregate, to 'feel sorry', share our joys over our success, have a cry on a shoulder, find another person who understands our feelings about being ridiculed for being new to freebsd -- or just plain new to the whole unix thing. most importantly freebsd-nnewbies is a place to learn about how to learn about freebsd and or unix. also it is a place to comfrtably learn how to participate in a mailinglist based community. this can be quite intimidating when you have never had such experience. just because you may not value the experience dosn't mean that it is of no value, not all people have all knowledge about all things unix .. sorry for teh mild sarcasm. freebsd used to be a place that experience unix people used to go after they cut thier teeth on some commercial unix, now as the market embraces unix in general and linux in particular more and more people are stumbling into the clutches of freebsd et al and need a place to settle down, become familiar with the language, learn how to ask the right questions, learn how to decipher teh at time weirdly cryptic answers and of cource become comfortable with the much harsher world of teh mailinglist. check out the charter .. its all thier in black and white plain as day fro all to read, in good old australian english. warm regards jonathan -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 4 2:12: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1A937B771 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 02:11:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jon@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30129 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 21:11:49 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 21:11:46 +1100 From: Jonathan Michaels To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Message-ID: <20000304211144.B29952@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Reply-To: jon@welearn.com.au Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <000001bf8589$7b0b11c0$40390918@vncvr1.wa.home.com> <38C0C47A.D12688E0@talou.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <38C0C47A.D12688E0@talou.net>; from Brent Rector on Sat, Mar 04, 2000 at 12:08:26AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org all i have chosen this post ot use as an example, for no particular reason other than it is a good example of an improperly formated post (quoted, that is). we all see mail come and we all send mail. in the old days (not so long ago, and still very relevent in most of teh world) bandwith was limited -- a fast route and all teh backbone trunk routes were 64 k isdn bearers (56k analouge dialup modem bearers for our usa participants). it was expected that all the participants knew how expensive bandwidth was and knew how to use it in an appropriate manner. there used to be regular post in usenet concerning the care and feeding of the interneworking (shortended to "the internet" and now just "the net") links that were in common usage. one of the quickest way to kill available bandwidth is to not trim mail apropriately, that is to leave whole articels in the message when replying to one sentance, or just adding a standard "me too" line at the bottom. the issue of correct quoting is dealt with in "teh complete freebsd" with reasonable clarity. anyway, it would be good for someelse to write a howto quote correctly .. i'm not real good at communicating and my writng is not much better than my oral communications skills. to make the point, we all are guilty of inapropriate quoting in our email, freebsd-newbies is the (right) place to aks one another if our posts are apropriately quoted. or if someone says "hey, jonthatn your post should be more succintly quoted" i should then look at what and how i quoted my reply rather than take the messengers head off .. as is the current practice not just in freebsd-* but a pervading change in teh personality of the whole internetworking community. to put a nail in the one reasonable argument most people come up with to post inapropriately and hence chew up exessive bandwidth (i'm not including the incorrectly setup mailers that include a html version of the plain text messge, or the ones that include as well a mime'd version just in case). continuity, that is i might not understand what the message is about .. thats ok go to your own archive of the mailing list that you keep for just such purposes, you don't have a archive to search ? freebsd.org keeps such archives and they are searchable via some sort of browser interface. you don't know how to use this resource .. see the handbook, read the freebsd faq, ask fellow newbies failing all that get technical support from freebsd-questions. this in general is how the chain links. anyway, i've left the original post intact so that you can see what i mean. i mean no hurt to brent, its that this post showed clearly what we all do and how inapropriate it is as a general rule. warm regards On Sat, Mar 04, 2000 at 12:08:26AM -0800, Brent Rector wrote: > Good Day Everyone, > > I personally agree that questions about installation and technical > aspects of FreeBSD should be directed to the questions@freebsd.org list. > > I enjoy the posts of the newbies who are telling people about thier > particular accomplishments, trials and tribulations. > > As someone that was a complete newbie two years ago to FreeBSD and Unix > as a whole, I found the people that answered my questions on the > questions list to be very patient, informative... and without them I > would not be where I am today. > > This list is for the "newbie" to share his/her experiences and > accomplishments are to chat about topics in relation to FreeBSD. I know > its a very fine line but you will find everyone on the questions list > very helpful... and moreso they have been where you are right now.. and > we understand.... so ask your questions and you will find responses > informative and helpful. > > Sincerely > > Brent L. Rector > SysAdmin > Talou Internet Services Corp. > > > John Purser wrote: > > > > Andu, > > > > On the surface, I'd agree with you. I felt the same way when I first got > > shot down for asking questions on the newbies list. However there are other > > concerns that the current policy supports. The idea is that all questions > > are asked and hopefully answered in one forum. This means the powers that > > be can monitor one list for problems and archive searches can be done on the > > same list to access all previous questions and answers. > > > > At least that's my understanding. > > > > I agree with you that as a newbie I'm pretty much just a bundle of > > unanswered questions. If I can't ask them on newbies then what do I do > > there? Answer: Not much. Other newbies seem to have found out the same > > thing. The only letters I know I've received from the newbies list is Sue's > > monthly letter on how to use the newbies list! > > > > So subscribe to questions and any other lists you're interested in. There > > are a lot of other newbies listening in so go ahead and express your > > ignorance and live with the consequences. Somebody else will have asked a > > sillier question last week and I guarantee there's an even sillier one > > coming. > > > > Like my next one for instance! > > > > Have fun, > > > > John Purser > > > > Currently boycotting Amazon.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of andu > > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 5:46 PM > > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit > > > > On Fri, 03 Mar 2000, Sue Blake wrote: > > > > I'm sure this is meant to help and keep things in order but to me it sounds > > a > > little like over medication. > > A newbie asks questions to get something going, to > > have some motivation to go on. > > > > > FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit > > > > > > (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. > > > It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) > > > > > > FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about > > > installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests > > > are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. > > > > > > FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to > > > questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. > > > > > > FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and > > > covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt > > > with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on > > > our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how > > > to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to > > > use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, > > > moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the > > > FreeBSD community. > > > > I find it rather absurd to have a list where I can ask where I can ask for > > help. > > I asked my question, I got a good answer, others benefited too and that's > > the > > end of the story. I find it hard to believe that a FreeBsd beginner joins a > > list > > just to hang out with other newbies. > > > > >We take our problems and support questions to > > > freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are > > > doing the same things that we do as newbies. > > > > > > One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find > > > help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: > > > > > > When something doesn't work the way you expect > > > > > > 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at > > > http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and > > > security advisories. > > > 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at > > > http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html > > > 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of > > > `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question > > > to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. > > > > > > Mailing lists > > > > > > When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only > > > one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. > > > FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as > > > more general and advanced questions. > > > > > > You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a > > > question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you > > > personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and > > > followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them > > > different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to > > > freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the > > > recent questions and their answers. > > > > > > Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at > > > http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer > > > FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when > > > they get questions which are difficult to understand. > > > http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. > > > > > > If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and > > > ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to > > > the support mailing list. > > > > > > Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing > > > list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might > > > get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. > > > > > > Other mailing lists > > > (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) > > > cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll > > > need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's > > > probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for > > > advice about where to post a more specialised question. > > > > > > FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional > > > announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick > > > Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. > > > > > > Manuals > > > > > > You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to > > > use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not > > > always as easy as it sounds! > > > > > > If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a > > > brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, > > > always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you > > > do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. > > > > > > Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is > > > encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at > > > http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html > > > > > > Other resources > > > > > > A resource list is available at > > > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and > > > inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It > > > includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web > > > pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a > > > suggestion for good material to be included, please write to > > > freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. > > > > > > But I have seen people asking questions here! > > > > > > It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a > > > mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from > > > time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't > > > belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose > > > job it is to sort these problems out privately. > > > > > > The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It > > > is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies > > > so we all make mistakes. That's OK. > > > > > > One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, > > > believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, > > > not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the > > > situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to > > > redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. > > > There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. > > > > > > So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions > > > as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies > > > can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on > > > our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not > > > allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the > > > mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. > > > > -- > > Regards, Andu > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message warm regards jonathan -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 4 7:18:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from icecube.wap.org (icecube.wap.org [205.177.49.208]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BD43C37B7DC for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 07:18:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from james.kelly@tcs.wap.org) Received: from [205.177.49.5] (HELO tcs.wap.org) by icecube.wap.org (Stalker SMTP Server 1.7) with ESMTP id S.0000975856 for ; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 10:18:17 -0500 Message-ID: <38C12938.B1401588@tcs.wap.org> Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 10:18:15 -0500 From: "James M. Kelly" Reply-To: james.kelly@tcs.wap.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: freebsd,netbsd,openbsd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all I'm a long-time mac enthusiast, now unix enthusiast and I work at a major isp. I've recently become interested in bsd because it is the foundation of the upcoming MacOS X and wanted to ask the member of this list if they thought there were substantial differences between the various bsd's from an administration point of view. For example, I'm having difficulty with a netBSD install on an older mac I have. Is netBSD all that different from freeBSD? I really don't have any perspective yet and hoped someone on this list could shed some light for me ;-) Jim k To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 4 8:37:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f91.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 78FFF37B805 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 08:37:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 76209 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2000 16:37:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000304163714.76208.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.246.128.94 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 08:37:13 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.246.128.94] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: james.kelly@tcs.wap.org, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd,netbsd,openbsd Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 08:37:13 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here are the diferences; FreeBSD pros: a. The most popular of the two b. Has the most support c. More compatibility and more Docs d. SMP support cons: a. Linux emulation needs work (it's great, but not perfect) however, linux emulation on FreeBSD *may* prove to have greater results than Net & OpenBSD b. Intel (i386) and alpha archs only (so far) OpenBSD pros: a. *By default* the most secure BSD OS out-of-the-box (of the three) b. Mult-platformed c. Better security due to less popularity d. has a better way of dealing with sound than FreeBSD (my opinion) cons: a. No SMP support (yet) b. Incompatibities with FreeBSD ports c. Lacks all the ports of FreeBSD (less *ported* apps specifially for OpenBSD) d. OpenBSD is a 6 month old copy of NetBSD NetBSD pros: a. Multi-platformed b. more people run it than OpenBSD c. I believe it is the *Prefered-OS* of BSD on macs d. More support than OpenBSD for ports/apps cons: a. SMP support??? (is there any??) b. Incompatibilities with FreeBSD ports c. Open & NetBSD require more config than FreeBSD d. Not as popular as FreeBSD but more popular than openbsd Now a lot of people will probably bitch about what I've said. But if you search the net you will find it to be *totally-true*. You will probably end up using NetBSD on your mac. Screw MacOS X!!! >Hello all >I'm a long-time mac enthusiast, now unix enthusiast and I work at a >major isp. I've recently become interested in bsd because it is the >foundation of the upcoming MacOS X and wanted to ask the member of this >list if they thought there were substantial differences between the >various bsd's from an administration point of view. For example, I'm >having difficulty with a netBSD install on an older mac I have. Is >netBSD all that different from freeBSD? I really don't have any >perspective yet and hoped someone on this list could shed some light for >me ;-) > >Jim k > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 4 10:13:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1CD37B83A for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 10:13:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p45.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.45]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA88620; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:13:06 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA00640; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:21:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:21:58 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: John Purser Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit In-Reply-To: <000001bf8589$7b0b11c0$40390918@vncvr1.wa.home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Currently boycotting Amazon.com Why ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 4 11: 8:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from area51.v-wave.com (area51.v-wave.com [24.108.26.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2BA3537B85D for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 11:08:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from flatline@area51.v-wave.com) Received: (qmail 69927 invoked by uid 1001); 4 Mar 2000 19:09:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 12:09:38 -0700 From: Chris Wasser To: Cosmic 665 Cc: james.kelly@tcs.wap.org, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd,netbsd,openbsd Message-ID: <20000304120938.A69853@area51.v-wave.com> References: <20000304163714.76208.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000304163714.76208.qmail@hotmail.com>; from the_hermit665@hotmail.com on Sat, Mar 04, 2000 at 08:37:13AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Mar 04, 2000 at 08:37:13AM -0800, Cosmic 665 wrote: > Now a lot of people will probably bitch about what I've said. But if you > search the net you will find it to be *totally-true*. You will probably end > up using NetBSD on your mac. Screw MacOS X!!! If you head on over to apple.com and read up on MacOS/X you'll learn that part of the OS is based on FreeBSD 3.2 :) I quote: http://www.apple.com/macosx/inside.html The system's kernel, which does the heavy lifting to support all those rich applications, is based on Mach 3.0 from Carnegie-Mellon University and FreeBSD 3.2 (derived from the University of California at Berkeley's BSD 4.4-Lite), the most highly regarded core technologies from two of the most widely acclaimed OS projects of the modern era. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 4 12:15:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1D437B70C for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 12:15:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id PAA21357; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 15:15:31 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts003d14.mer-id.concentric.net (ts003d14.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.122]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id PAA29539; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 15:15:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 12:12:53 -0700 (MST) From: mlduke To: Peter Schwenk Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netscape In-Reply-To: <38B6079D.21F93433@voicenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks. That worked, and fast. The 2.2.x compat, for those who may need this later is on the cdrom set, disk one: /stand/sysinstall Post Install Configuration Install additional distribution sets Thanks again, peter. ML Duke > Install FreeBSD 2.2.x compatibility. > > mlduke wrote: > > > Anyone know what to do about: > > > > Couldn't open /usr/libexec/ld.so. > > > > ?? > > > > ML Duke > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > -- > - Peter Schwenk > - schwenk@voicenet.com > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 4 13: 9:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBFF537B886 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 13:09:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p38.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.38]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28272; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 22:09:27 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA01027; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 21:54:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 21:54:41 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Jonathan Michaels Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit In-Reply-To: <20000304211144.B29952@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > i have chosen this post ot use as an example, for no particular > reason other than it is a good example of an improperly formated > post (quoted, that is). It would be terrible to read in digest form. But I dont think there is a general rule right in all cases. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 4 14:16: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CECF37B880 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 14:16:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id RAA26924; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 17:15:55 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts004d12.mer-id.concentric.net (ts004d12.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.168]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id RAA20087; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 17:15:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 14:13:09 -0700 (MST) From: mlduke To: Heiko Recktenwald Cc: John Purser , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Currently boycotting Amazon.com > > Why ? Excellent question. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 4 17:32:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from area51.v-wave.com (area51.v-wave.com [24.108.26.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C833C37B908 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 17:32:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from flatline@area51.v-wave.com) Received: (qmail 82253 invoked by uid 1001); 5 Mar 2000 01:34:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:34:09 -0700 From: Chris Wasser To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Fwd: (Fwd) Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours Message-ID: <20000304183409.A82238@area51.v-wave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Forwarded from Leandro Asnaghi-Nicastro ----- From: "Leandro Asnaghi-Nicastro" Organization: Capital of Nasty Electronic Magazine To: Chris Wasser Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 15:37:47 -0500 Subject: (Fwd) Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Hello Chris, forgive me for bothering you, but I was trying to post this on the FreeBSD mailing list, and it failed because: <<< 450 : Helo command rejected: Host not found ... Deferred: 450 : Helo command rejected: Host not found Weird, it worked before. I was wondering, if it's not too much trouble, if you could post this question for me. If not, no worries. Again thanks for your time. leandro --- Hi folks, I've recently installed FreeBSD 3.2. I haven't done much to it, other than install it, and configure it to work on my local LAN (not connected to the Internet, as I'm in the process of configuring it and securing it). This is the only problem I have: after a few days, tty0 crashes. I can still hit ALT-F2 and login, but I can't do anything on the main console. Suggestions? Regards leandro --- Leandro Asnaghi-Nicastro (LA672) Capital of Nasty Electronic Magazine - ISSN 1482-0471 Editor in Chief - http://www.capnasty.org ----- End forwarded message ----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message