From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 2 4:37:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mgate08.so-net.ne.jp (mgate08.so-net.ne.jp [210.139.254.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E06C37BA1D for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 04:37:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daito@magical.egg.or.jp) Received: from mail.rj8.so-net.ne.jp (mspool04.so-net.ne.jp [210.139.254.183]) by mgate08.so-net.ne.jp (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta9/3.6W00032811) with ESMTP id UAA00418 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 20:37:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from MAIL (pfa6f57.tkyont.ap.so-net.ne.jp [210.250.111.87]) by mail.rj8.so-net.ne.jp (8.9.3/3.7W99092111) with SMTP id UAA16109 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 20:37:38 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3286.954676076833@magical.egg.or.jp> Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 20:47:56 +0900 (JST) From: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCJSIlJCVJJWsjMiMwIzAjMRsoQhsoQg==?= Reply-To: daito@magical.egg.or.jp To: =?iso-2022-jp?B??= Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCIXolIiUkJUklayMyIzAjMCMxJSohPCVXGyhCGyhC?==?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCJXMhKkw1TkFCTjgzJGIkIiRqIXobKEIbKEI=?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset =ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ================================================================== $B!!!!!!!!!!!!%"%$%I%k#2#0#0#1%*!<%W%s!*!*(B ================================================================== $B"##R#e#a#l#G#2!!%i%$%V%A%c%C%H?74k2h2q0wBgJg=8!*!*(B $B!!K\%5%$%H$O!"7n!9$NDj3[NA6b#1#0#0#0#01_$G!"2q0w$K$J$i$l$?3'MM$K$O!"%W(B $B%m%0%i%`$N%5!<%S%9Cf$G$"$l$P!"$$$/$i$G$b#R#e#a#l#G#2%W%l!<%d$r3hMQ$7$?(B $B%i%$%V1GA|$G$N%A%c%C%H$,!"3Z$7$`$+$H$,$G$-$^$9!#(B $B"##1#0J,4VL5NABN83%5!<%S%9!*!*(B $B!!%5%$%H$,%*!<%W%s$9$k#37n#2#1$h$j!!:G=i$N#1#0J,4V$,$*;n$7BN83$H$7$FL5(B $BNA$H$J$j$^$9!#(B $B#1#0J,4V7P$A$^$9$H<+F0E*$K2hLL$,Dd;_$7$^$9$N$G!"8e$GNA6b$r@A5a$9$k$H$$(B $B$C$?%H%i%V%k$O!"$"$j$^$;$s!#(B $B"#2q0w$N3'MM8BDj!*8+$k$3$H$N$G$-$J$$%W%i%$%Y!<%H$J1GA|!*!)(B $B!!%i%$%V%A%c%C%H%W%m%0%i%`%5!<%S%90J30$N;~4VBS$O!"=w$N;R$?$A$N%W%i%$%Y(B $B!<%H1GA|$r!"$[$H$s$IL5JT=8$N>uBV$G8+$k$3$H$,$G$-$^$9!#(B $B?o;~!"<}O?$7$??7$7$$$b$N$rA}$d$7$F!"%i%$%V%i%j!<2=$7$F$$$/M=Dj$G$9!#(B $B"#(B2000$BG/%(%C%=%l!<%9%/!<%s$NHSEg??M3!"(B2000$BG/%V%l%$%/@#A0$N@n0fCN0!5*(B 4$B7n(B6$BF|$+$i=iIqBf$KD)@o$9$k!"@>4]M%;R$i!"7]G=3&$G%a%A%c4hD%$C$F$$$k!"=w(B $B$N;RC#$,$>$/$>$/EP>l$9$k!"%i%$%V%A%c%C%H$G$9!#(B $B=w$N;RC#$N%W%m%b!<%7%g%s%S%G%*$O!"$@$l$G$b8+$l$^$9!"$N$G!"@'Hs$N$>$-$K(B $BMh$F2<$5$$!#%a%s%P!<@lMQ$N?eCe%S%G%*@):nM=DjM-$j!#(B $B"#(B6$B7n$K$O%*%U2q$r9T$J$$$^$9!#(B $B%"%$%I%kC#$KD>@\2q$$$KMh$F2<$5$$!#(B $BR2p$7$F2<$5$$!#(B $B!!7]G=3&$rL\;X$92D0&$$=w$N;R$r@'Hs>R2p$7$F2<$5$$!#:NMQ$5$;$F$$$?$@$$$?(B $B>l9g$O!"(B $B!!FCJLM%6x$5$;$F$$$?$@$-$^$9!#(B (I%%%$B#I#D#O#L#2#0#0#1(I%%%(B http://www.leotv.com/idol2001$B!!(B $B#G#A#L#s%W%m%U%#!<%k$H%i%$%V%A%c%C%H%9%1%8%e!<%k$r$4;2>H$/$@$5$$(B(B To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 3 7:39:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from xmh01.scott.af.mil (vejxoislxmh01.scott.af.mil [140.175.214.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9210337BEDE for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:39:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DARYL.CHANCE@SCOTT.AF.MIL) Received: from cornerback.scott.af.mil (cornerback.scott.af.mil [140.175.214.11]) by xmh01.scott.af.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17402 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:43:09 -0500 Received: from cornerback.scott.af.mil (root@localhost) by cornerback.scott.af.mil with ESMTP id JAA01969 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:39:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from SMTP (vejxoisntav82.scott.af.mil [140.175.254.102]) by cornerback.scott.af.mil with SMTP id JAA01598 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:38:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ksvejx02.SCOTT.AF.MIL ([140.175.192.102]) by 140.175.254.102 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 14:38:42 0000 (GMT) Received: by ksvejx02.scott.af.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:38:48 -0500 Message-ID: From: Chance Daryl SrA AMC CSS/SAS To: "'FreeBSD Newbies'" Subject: Possible oversight? Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:38:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi This should probably go to another list, but I'm not quite sure which one atm, so I'll post it here and, if need be, I'll forward it onto the appropriate list. I installed the kernel source for FreeBSD 4.0 this weekend and started commenting stuff out that I wouldn't need. I don't have a CDRom in the box I was installing this on, so I commented out all the CDRom devices. I the did a: config cd to compile dir make depend make all all seemed to go well until I came across this: unable to find file miibus.h (or something close to that.). I looked in my config file and found that it was a CDRom device that I had commented out. I uncommented it, redid the steps above and all compiled well. I guess the oversight would be, should there maybe be a (required) besie the miibus device, kinda like the others that are a required for the kernel to compile? It's prolly something that doesn't normally come up since most people probably use FreeBSD w/ a CDRom :). Thanks, <---------------------------------------------------------------> <- SrA Daryl Chance - A programmer is someone who solves a -> <- USAF AMC CSS/SASR - problem you didn't know you had in a -> <- RAD Programmer - way you don't understand. -> <- (618) 256-5225 - - ????? -> <---------------------------------------------------------------> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 3 8:44:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CBAA37B67C for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:43:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA58791; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:21:36 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by kilt.nothing-going-on.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14174; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:03:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:03:59 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: mlduke Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Information Message-ID: <20000402220359.A14063@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from mlduke on Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 05:48:45PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 05:48:45PM -0700, mlduke wrote: > Information I wish I'd known about 2 years ago. > > Say we've just installed a port, xboard for example, we feel like > getting trashed in a chess game. Successful install, no errors, > but in response to: > >xboard > we get: > Command not found. > Shows easily that the xboard binary is in: > /usr/local/bin > So we do: > /usr/local/bin/xboard > And the game is on. Check the value of your PATH environment variable, $ echo $PATH it should already contain "/usr/local/bin" in it somewhere. If it doesn't you should add that to your path. A line like the following setenv PATH /usr/local/bin:$PATH in your .cshrc (if you use csh, you'll need to adjust that if you use sh, or any other shell) should be sufficient. Of course, the question then is "If I've /usr/local/bin in my path, and xboard is in /usr/local/bin, why does 'xboard' print 'Command not found'?" This is a Unix question, not a FreeBSD question. In a nutshell, when your shell starts up it scans all the directories in the $PATH variable, and notes which commands are where in an internal list (called a 'hash'). Then, when you type in a command, the shell doesn't have to hunt through all the directories in the $PATH to see if the filename you've typed in is there (and cause lots of disk activity). Instead, the shell just looks in its internal list ("hash") to see if the command is listed in there. If it is, it tries to run it, if it isn't you get "Command not found", even if the command is there. The question, then, is "How do I get the shell to update it's list of commands?" For that, hunt in your shell's manual page for the word "hash". . . N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 3 15:32:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB7637B5AE for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:32:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id AAA24638 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 00:31:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA97547 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:07:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: Possible oversight? Date: 3 Apr 2000 23:07:13 +0200 Message-ID: <8cb161$2v7u$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> References: To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chance Daryl SrA AMC CSS/SAS wrote: > I installed the kernel source for FreeBSD 4.0 this weekend and > started commenting stuff out that I wouldn't need. I don't have > a CDRom in the box I was installing this on, so I commented out > all the CDRom devices. [...] > unable to find file miibus.h (or something close to that.). I looked > in my config file and found that it was a CDRom device that I had > commented out. I don't know where you get the idea that "miibus" refers to a CD ROM device. IIRC, "MII" stands for media-independent interface. Anyway, it's required for several types of ethernet adapters--in fact just the ones it's listed with in GENERIC--and has nothing whatsoever to do with CD drives. There is nothing in GENERIC that would suggest such a connection. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 3 16: 4:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F397D37B789 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:03:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23679; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:09:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:09:47 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: mlduke Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another Tool Message-ID: <20000403230947.A23420@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from mlduke on Fri, Mar 31, 2000 at 10:38:24AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 31, 2000 at 10:38:24AM -0700, mlduke wrote: > Rediscovered his web site and gathered in all in with a single > command: > > wget -r url > > Curiously, man wget turns up nothing. Not all Unix commands have man pages. Some of them (particularly GNU programs) prefer the "info" format. Try info wget A look in /var/db/pkg/wget*/+CONTENTS would have shown this. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 4 6:14:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from xmh02.scott.af.mil (vejxoislxmh02.scott.af.mil [140.175.214.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA7037B6EB for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:14:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DARYL.CHANCE@SCOTT.AF.MIL) Received: from cornerback.scott.af.mil (cornerback.scott.af.mil [140.175.214.11]) by xmh02.scott.af.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19924 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:17:37 -0500 Received: from cornerback.scott.af.mil (root@localhost) by cornerback.scott.af.mil with ESMTP id IAA11715 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:14:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from SMTP (vejxoisntav82.scott.af.mil [140.175.254.102]) by cornerback.scott.af.mil with SMTP id IAA11527 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:14:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ksvejx02.SCOTT.AF.MIL ([140.175.192.102]) by 140.175.254.102 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 13:14:03 0000 (GMT) Received: by ksvejx02.scott.af.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:14:01 -0500 Message-ID: From: Chance Daryl SrA AMC CSS/SAS To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Possible oversight? Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:12:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I installed the kernel source for FreeBSD 4.0 this weekend and > > started commenting stuff out that I wouldn't need. I don't have > > a CDRom in the box I was installing this on, so I commented out > > all the CDRom devices. > [...] > > unable to find file miibus.h (or something close to that.). > I looked > > in my config file and found that it was a CDRom device that I had > > commented out. > > I don't know where you get the idea that "miibus" refers to a CD > ROM device. IIRC, "MII" stands for media-independent interface. > Anyway, it's required for several types of ethernet adapters--in > fact just the ones it's listed with in GENERIC--and has nothing > whatsoever to do with CD drives. There is nothing in GENERIC that > would suggest such a connection. Ok, sorry, what I meant to say was that it was listed under the CD-Rom devices IIRC. Either way, my question was, should it not be marked with (required) if it fubars the kernel compile (IE: causes it not to build)? Actually, checking here: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT/ I see that it's listed as a network and not a cdrom device (for lack of a better word). But I also see that they (the maintainers of the source) have broken it off into it's own. # MII bus support is required for some PCI 10/100 ethernet NICs, # namely those which use MII-compliant transceivers or implement # tranceiver control interfaces that operate like an MII. Adding # "device miibus0" to the kernel config pulls in support for # the generic miibus API and all of the PHY drivers, including a # generic one for PHYs that aren't specifically handled by an # individual driver. device miibus # PCI Ethernet NICs that use the common MII bus controller code <---------------------------------------------------------------> <- SrA Daryl Chance - A programmer is someone who solves a -> <- USAF AMC CSS/SASR - problem you didn't know you had in a -> <- RAD Programmer - way you don't understand. -> <- (618) 256-5225 - - ????? -> <---------------------------------------------------------------> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 4 10:35: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4228537BACA for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:35:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA630A for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:35:38 -0700 Message-ID: <38EA274C.71D652CB@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:33:00 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another Tool References: <20000403230947.A23420@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton wrote: > Not all Unix commands have man pages. Some of them (particularly GNU > programs) prefer the "info" format. Try That's because GNU's Not Unix(tm). Anything they can do to violate proven and time tested Unix standards, GNU will do. (tongue back in cheek, but frustration still unchecked) There is little more frustrating than to bring up a man page under any variety of Linux and see the words "This documentation is obsolete". This is primarily due to the pervasive nature of GNU software in Linux*. There is a purpose for man pages, but the FSF does not seem to comprehend what it is. It doesn't matter if they feel man to be technically or morally inferior to info or not, millions of people rely on man. How much work is it converting documentation you already have from info to man format? David ----- (*)Why some of these mulimillion dollar Linux distributors don't step up to the plate and start writing basic documentation is beyond me... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 4 10:59:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095C337BAEF for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:59:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p159.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.159]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08986 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:59:02 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA01202 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:55:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:55:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Another Tool In-Reply-To: <38EA274C.71D652CB@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Btw: > on man. How much work is it converting documentation you already have > from info to man format? How do I put a linux manfile into the man system ? For exemple, there is mtv with mtvp, a superb mpg player, with audio, that comes as a tarball. There are two binaries, some libraries (not needed) and a file called mtv.1, the mtv manpage. Heiko PS.: Other suggestions how to play mpgs with audio on FBSD welcome ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 5 4:53:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bne005m.server-mail.com (bne005m.server-mail.com [202.139.234.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CA34237B842 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 04:53:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wyldephyre2@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 2983 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2000 11:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO timberwolf) (203.147.162.68) by bne005m.server-mail.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2000 11:53:10 -0000 Message-ID: <00a701bf9ef6$7c15a540$44a293cb@timberwolf> From: "Haikal Saadh" To: Subject: Hows it all hanging with 4.0R? Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:00:05 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been using it for a few weeks, and I must say, it's still not quite as stable as 3.2 which I was using earlier. KDE crashes on me about once a day...Not sure if that's cuz i've got XFree86 4.0 or not... How's everyone else doing? Join the ProcessTree Network: For-pay Internet distributed processing. http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5934 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 5 5:51: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from xmh02.scott.af.mil (vejxoislxmh02.scott.af.mil [140.175.214.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD1E37B83A for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 05:51:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DARYL.CHANCE@SCOTT.AF.MIL) Received: from cornerback.scott.af.mil (cornerback.scott.af.mil [140.175.214.11]) by xmh02.scott.af.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24543 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:54:15 -0500 Received: from cornerback.scott.af.mil (root@localhost) by cornerback.scott.af.mil with ESMTP id HAA22267 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:50:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from SMTP (vejxoisntav81.scott.af.mil [140.175.254.101]) by cornerback.scott.af.mil with SMTP id HAA22185 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:50:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ksvejx02.SCOTT.AF.MIL ([140.175.192.102]) by 140.175.254.101 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:50:53 0000 (GMT) Received: by ksvejx02.scott.af.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:50:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: Chance Daryl SrA AMC CSS/SAS To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Hows it all hanging with 4.0R? Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:50:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org mines running quite well at home, though it's only a dialup server, caching only dns server, web server and database server. So i'm not really using it day to do....just let it sit in the corner and handle my requests. <---------------------------------------------------------------> <- SrA Daryl Chance - A programmer is someone who solves a -> <- USAF AMC CSS/SASR - problem you didn't know you had in a -> <- RAD Programmer - way you don't understand. -> <- (618) 256-5225 - - ????? -> <---------------------------------------------------------------> > -----Original Message----- > From: Haikal Saadh [mailto:wyldephyre2@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 7:00 AM > To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Hows it all hanging with 4.0R? > > > I've been using it for a few weeks, and I must say, it's > still not quite as > stable as 3.2 which I was using earlier. > KDE crashes on me about once a day...Not sure if that's cuz > i've got XFree86 > 4.0 or not... > > How's everyone else doing? > > Join the ProcessTree Network: For-pay Internet distributed processing. > http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5934 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 5 7: 9:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tasam.com (tasam.com [206.161.83.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25BB337B57A for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:09:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from korvus@tasam.com) Received: from korvus (hc6523b85.dhcp.vt.edu [198.82.59.133]) by tasam.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA96417 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:09:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from korvus@tasam.com) Message-ID: <015601bf9f08$95244480$853b52c6@korvus> From: "Jeff Poole" To: Subject: Fw: Hows it all hanging with 4.0R? Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:09:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I only got one (gicq) out of 4 (kicq, licq, xicq) icq clones to work without seg-faulting or giving me an error about missing library functions. And as far as my memory goes, they all worked in 3.4. Not to mention that my friend said he couldn't get Netscape to install. So I suspect X is a little bit broken in this release. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haikal Saadh" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 8:00 AM Subject: Hows it all hanging with 4.0R? > I've been using it for a few weeks, and I must say, it's still not quite as > stable as 3.2 which I was using earlier. > KDE crashes on me about once a day...Not sure if that's cuz i've got XFree86 > 4.0 or not... > > How's everyone else doing? > > Join the ProcessTree Network: For-pay Internet distributed processing. > http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5934 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 6 17: 3:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.iran.com (smtp2.iran.com [195.200.225.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB58837BD3A for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:03:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamid@morva.net) Received: from morva.net([195.200.226.147]) (1053 bytes) by smtp2.iran.com via sendmail with P:smtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 04:31:57 +0430 (IRST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #21 built 1998-Jul-17) Received: (qmail 8804 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2000 00:03:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hamid) (195.200.229.31) by yaghut.morva.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2000 00:03:35 -0000 Message-ID: <000501bfa025$3dfd2e60$051414c8@hamid> From: "Seyyed Hamid Reza Hashemi Golpayegani" To: Subject: Boot Problem ! Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 04:37:17 +0430 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi , I have installing FreeBSD 4.0 from CDROM and when the system comes up boot loader show me 3 choises : F1 Dos F2 FreeBSD F3 FreeBSD When I want to select 2 or 3 and press F2 and F3 it does not work only F1 works . What is the problem ? Thanks Hamid Hashemi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 6 17:49:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F3E37BF01 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:49:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA5AF1; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:49:49 -0700 Message-ID: <38ED3012.57717D3B@acuson.com> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:47:14 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Seyyed Hamid Reza Hashemi Golpayegani Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Boot Problem ! References: <000501bfa025$3dfd2e60$051414c8@hamid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Seyyed Hamid Reza Hashemi Golpayegani wrote: > I have installing FreeBSD 4.0 from CDROM and when the system comes up boot > loader show me 3 choises : > F1 Dos > F2 FreeBSD > F3 FreeBSD > > When I want to select 2 or 3 and press F2 and F3 it does not work only F1 > works . > What is the problem ? I'm certainly not an expert (this is freebsd-newbies after all), but I know what I would look closer at. The second two entries are primary partitions. The initial boot loader just knows what partitions are available and what their types are. It then passes on control to the next stage boot loader in the boot record of the chosen partition (BSD has three boot loaders for the various stages of booting). If neither F2 or F3 boot, then the next boot loader is not there. I believe that this is boot1. I also assume that it was probably meant to go on the second partition F2. You may have to reinstall all over again. But you might not have to go all the way through. Don't repartition, just assign the same partitions as you did before, install the boot loader, then exit the installation. I suspect that somewhere in this area you made the wrong choice. Make sure that the boot loader is installed to the boot sector of the root partition, and make sure that this partition does not extend beyond the 1024th cylinder. If all else fails, reinstall completely. Every unix expert you will ever meet will have at one time or another botched something up and had to reinstall. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 6 18: 0:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3C337BD22 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:00:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (rh5.bfm.org [216.127.220.198]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:01:04 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000406195847.0086e710@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 19:58:47 -0500 To: David Johnson From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Boot Problem ! Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <38ED3012.57717D3B@acuson.com> References: <000501bfa025$3dfd2e60$051414c8@hamid> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 17:47 06-04-2000 -0700, David Johnson wrote: >If all else fails, reinstall completely. Every unix expert you will ever >meet will have at one time or another botched something up and had to >reinstall. I like that, David. That means I must be an expert. :-) I had to reinstall a couple times when I first got into FreeBSD. Cheers, Adam ----------------------------------------------------------- "I think, therefore I am." - Seventeenth Century Philosophy "I publish what I think, therefore I have." - Twenty-First Century Action Details at http://www.OnlinePublisher.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 6 18:13:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F47937B8E4 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:13:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA62E6; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:14:14 -0700 Message-ID: <38ED35CA.2BFB82B1@acuson.com> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 18:11:38 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Boot Problem ! References: <000501bfa025$3dfd2e60$051414c8@hamid> <3.0.6.32.20000406195847.0086e710@mail85.pair.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "G. Adam Stanislav" wrote: > > At 17:47 06-04-2000 -0700, David Johnson wrote: > >If all else fails, reinstall completely. Every unix expert you will ever > >meet will have at one time or another botched something up and had to > >reinstall. > > I like that, David. That means I must be an expert. :-) I had to reinstall > a couple times when I first got into FreeBSD. Not at all! It is necessary to undergo the reinstallation ritual in order to become an expert, but it is not sufficient by itself for the tranformation to occur. David (who just got 4.0 in the mail and is itching to install it) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 6 19:10:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54BDB37BAEC for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:10:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r9.bfm.org [216.127.220.105]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:11:01 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000406210847.00884df0@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:08:47 -0500 To: David Johnson From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Boot Problem ! Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <38ED35CA.2BFB82B1@acuson.com> References: <000501bfa025$3dfd2e60$051414c8@hamid> <3.0.6.32.20000406195847.0086e710@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 18:11 06-04-2000 -0700, David Johnson wrote: >> I like that, David. That means I must be an expert. :-) I had to reinstall >> a couple times when I first got into FreeBSD. > >Not at all! It is necessary to undergo the reinstallation ritual in >order to become an expert, but it is not sufficient by itself for the >tranformation to occur. Oh, darn! ;) I actually consider myself an advanced newbie. I have written some quite popular Unix software (for example, my Graphic Counter Language is still being downloaded many times a day even though I have not made any changes to it for almost a year), but I still don't think of myself as an expert. Cheers, Adam ----------------------------------------------------------- "I think, therefore I am." - Seventeenth Century Philosophy "I publish what I think, therefore I have." - Twenty-First Century Action Details at http://www.OnlinePublisher.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 7 15:52:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51FFE37B838 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:52:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goodleaf@home.com) Received: from [24.14.237.48] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000407225221.MKHN5923.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.14.237.48]> for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:52:21 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:59:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Goodleaf" X-Sender: goodleaf@C702312-A.sttln1.wa.home.com To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: telnetd conf? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Where is the file that controls the behavior of telnetd? Thanks, John Please reply to this address; not currently subscribed. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 7 15:58:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512A637BEC2 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:58:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goodleaf@home.com) Received: from [24.14.237.48] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000407225826.MNCG5923.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.14.237.48]> for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:58:26 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:05:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Goodleaf" X-Sender: goodleaf@C702312-A.sttln1.wa.home.com To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Nevermind on that telnetd question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I forgot to install the man pages, so I asked and then remembered freebsd.org's online man pages. Ooops. Sorry- J To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 7 19:30:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C530A37B51F for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:30:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29024 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:30:11 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:30:11 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200004080230.MAA29024@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Apr 8 14:35:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [194.221.183.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D277637B7AC for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:35:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from I-C-H@gmx.de) Received: (qmail 13147 invoked by uid 0); 8 Apr 2000 21:35:37 -0000 Received: from alcatraz85.wohnheim.uni-kl.de (131.246.107.94) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 2000 21:35:37 -0000 Message-ID: <38EFA5D5.41C67EA6@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 23:34:13 +0200 From: Dominic X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Happy new FreeBSD 4.0 User Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi I would like to thank all people who have contributed to the FreeBSD project!!! And of course all the people who have contributed all these great applications. So now there's a new FreeBSD user out there because you made it possible! Thank you very much! Dominic P.S. To make me absolutely happy, I only need an ICQ app which supports chatting, LICQ does not work (currently i use GTKICQ) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message