From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 5 3:42:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f209.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A88737BB4F for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:42:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gritsi_gr@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 82359 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2000 10:42:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000605104220.82358.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.66.101.82 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 03:42:20 PDT X-Originating-IP: [195.66.101.82] From: "Giannis Ritsi" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PROBLEM IDE... (cd9660) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 13:42:20 EEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I need help. I use FreeBSD 3.3 and I can't mount my IDE CDROM PHILIPS (is rather old). when I try to do #mount /cdrom I take the message cd9660: device not configured My kernel has : options CD9660 options CD9660_ROOT . . . controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 options ATAPI device acd0 what else should I do? thanks in advanced, giannis ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 5 3:48: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f128.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F03137B829 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:47:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from midios3@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 25546 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2000 10:47:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20000605104757.25545.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.66.101.72 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 03:47:57 PDT X-Originating-IP: [195.66.101.72] From: "Dimitrios T." To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: "tar t" won't do it :~( Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 10:47:57 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Perhaps i'm just being a newbie when trying to use a simple tar option all I do is generate an error message :~( I want to get a listing of the contents of tar-ed file. I try the following: # tar t blah.tar But all I get is: tar: can't open /dev/rsa0 : Device not configured I understand that it tries to find a tape device or something (it was originaly destined for tape-archiving, after all) but why? All I'm asking is a table of contents on my monitor.. Can anyone help me out, here? thanks, Dimitri ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 5 3:53:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F174D37B7EE for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:53:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ust@cert.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: ust@cert.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from mail1.siemens.de (mail1.siemens.de [139.23.33.14]) by david.siemens.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e55ArYR01170; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:53:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mars.cert.siemens.de (ust.mchp.siemens.de [139.23.201.17]) by mail1.siemens.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e55ArXI05000; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:53:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alaska.cert.siemens.de (reims.mchp.siemens.de [139.23.202.134]) by mars.cert.siemens.de (8.10.1/8.10.1/Siemens CERT [ $Revision: 1.8 ]) with ESMTP id e55ArXF17019; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:53:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ust@localhost) by alaska.cert.siemens.de (8.10.1/8.10.1/alaska [ $Revision: 1.5 ]) id e55ArWk98233; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:53:32 GMT Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:53:32 +0200 From: Udo Schweigert To: "Dimitrios T." Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "tar t" won't do it :~( Message-ID: <20000605125332.A98194@alaska.cert.siemens.de> References: <20000605104757.25545.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000605104757.25545.qmail@hotmail.com>; from midios3@hotmail.com on Mon, Jun 05, 2000 at 10:47:57AM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 05, 2000 at 10:47:57 +0000, Dimitrios T. wrote: > Hi, > > Perhaps i'm just being a newbie when trying to use a simple tar > option all I do is generate an error message :~( > > I want to get a listing of the contents of tar-ed file. > I try the following: > # tar t blah.tar > Try # tar -tf blah.tar Regards -- Udo Schweigert, Siemens AG | Voice : +49 89 636 42170 ZT IK 3, Siemens CERT | Fax : +49 89 636 41166 D-81730 Muenchen / Germany | email : ust@cert.siemens.de PGP-2/5 fingerprint | D8 A5 DF 34 EC 87 E8 C6 E2 26 C4 D0 EE 80 36 B2 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 5 10:39:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D047437C0F5 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:39:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA2DE2; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:40:45 -0700 Message-ID: <393BE53D.CD07630@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 10:37:01 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Good Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some food for thought...plagiarizing D. Johnson! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thomas Good wrote: > Open Letter to Tim O'Reilly > From the FreeBSD Newbies This letter looks very good. A couple of grammatical points, but I won't nitpick. I say we go with it as is. We should also indicate what "FreeBSD Newbies" is. And it should contain the names and addresses of anyone here supporting the letter. It would also be good to get support from other FBSD lists. Let O'Reilly see a couple hundred names on it. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 5 12:14:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF0537B55E for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:14:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id PAA26476; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:14:10 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts002d27.mer-id.concentric.net (ts002d27.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.87]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id PAA05671; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:11:42 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: "Dimitrios T." Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "tar t" won't do it :~( In-Reply-To: <20000605104757.25545.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try: tar -t /dev/rsa0 if rsa0 is your default and tar -tf /dev/rsa0 if it is not. ML Duke On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Dimitrios T. wrote: > Hi, > > Perhaps i'm just being a newbie when trying to use a simple tar > option all I do is generate an error message :~( > > I want to get a listing of the contents of tar-ed file. > I try the following: > # tar t blah.tar > > But all I get is: > tar: can't open /dev/rsa0 : Device not configured > > I understand that it tries to find a tape device or something (it > was originaly destined for tape-archiving, after all) but why? > All I'm asking is a table of contents on my monitor.. > > Can anyone help me out, here? > thanks, > Dimitri > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 5 17:49:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.jlu.edu.cn (mail.jlu.edu.cn [202.198.16.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6E637B930 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:49:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cyh@theory.jlu.edu.cn) Received: from theory.jlu.edu.cn ([202.198.21.80]) by mail.jlu.edu.cn (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id AAA31BA for <@mail.jlu.edu.cn:freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org>; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:55:13 +0800 Received: by theory.jlu.edu.cn (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for @mail.jlu.edu.cn:freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org id AA04480; Wed, 8 Jun 00 00:51:29 +0900 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2000 00:51:23 +0900 (SDT) From: cyh@theory.jlu.edu.cn Reply-To: cyh@theory.jlu.edu.cn Subject: To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Help! Help! I have installed FreeBSD in a pc, which has a i810 chipset main board. God damed i810! I can't setup the X windows...What should I do? I also download i810 grahic driver for Linux, can I install it? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 6 9:55:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.lig.bellsouth.net (mail3.lig.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C241837B58A for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 09:55:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brownicm@bellsouth.net) Received: from eileen (adsl-61-148-46.int.bellsouth.net [208.61.148.46]) by mail3.lig.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id MAA16775 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006061655.MAA16775@mail3.lig.bellsouth.net> From: "Chris Browning" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:52:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: users in NC Triad? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone out there in Central North Carolina? GBO-WS-HP? Drop me a line. Chris Browning brownicm@bellsouth.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 6 18:45:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f23.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6BEA837B9D8 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:45:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dankilling@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 80790 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2000 01:45:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20000607014516.80789.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.16.153.138 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 18:45:16 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.16.153.138] From: "Daniel Killingsworth" To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: /: write failed, file system is full Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 21:45:16 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I keep getting this error and am unsure what could be causing it. Could anyone shed some light on where I mught begin to look? /: write failed, file system is full Thanks, /Dan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 6 19: 3:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f204.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3710D37B58F for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:03:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dankilling@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 66417 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jun 2000 02:03:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000607020340.66416.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.16.153.138 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:03:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.16.153.138] From: "Daniel Killingsworth" To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Fwd: RE: /: write failed, file system is full Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 22:03:40 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, so what is going on here is my / directory is full? Is there some way to change that, or do I need to re-install and re-allocate the slices? /Dan ...and yes, I am completely new to this...I am a Windoze convert >From: byu@skygo.com >To: dankilling@hotmail.com >Subject: RE: /: write failed, file system is full >Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:57:57 -0700 > >This is actually simple, the / is your root slice. Which is has wholely >separate from the rest of your file system. That is, >when you installed FBSD, you needed to allocate X number of megs >for /, N number for /usr, etc... >example (pulling numbers from the air): >25megs / >50megs swp (swap space) >5000megs /usr > >basically, when you have anything under /usr, it'll go into that >5000meg slice, and anything under / will go to the 25meg slice... >so /usr/home/ will have lots of space. Whereas, /home will not... >except that /home is generally a symbolic link to /usr/home... >but /var will be in the 25 megs slice... This is a little spammy, but i >hope you get the idea... > >Generally, the / won't need that much space... any directory that will, >will usually be a symlink to an equivalent directory under /usr. like >the /usr/home example. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: dankilling [mailto:dankilling@hotmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 6:45 PM >To: newbies >Cc: dankilling >Subject: FW: /: write failed, file system is full > > >I keep getting this error and am unsure what could be causing it. Could >anyone shed some light on where I mught begin to look? > >/: write failed, file system is full > >Thanks, > >/Dan >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 6 19:22:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.mia.bellsouth.net (mail1.mia.bellsouth.net [205.152.144.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CDFE37B57B for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:22:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pineypl@bellsouth.net) Received: from bellsouth.net (adsl-61-16-127.mia.bellsouth.net [208.61.16.127]) by mail1.mia.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id WAA05366 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <393DB1FA.A81388F0@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 22:22:50 -0400 From: Bob Collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd newbies Subject: ifconfig -alaias and resart Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am running Apache on my BSD box for some web testing. I am using ifconfig to alias an additional ip address to my system for multiple sites. How can I set this alias to be permanent, esp after a reboot. (We have bad power and even the batteries don't hold long enough.) Otherwise, I would like to know if I can place it in /etc/rc so it is aliased on every start? TIA Bob Collins To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 6 19:43:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hpu450.hpu.edu (hpu450.Hpu.edu [205.149.106.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156AF37B6B5 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:43:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from waichan@hpu.edu) Received: from why (Kb.Hpu.Edu [205.149.106.194]) by hpu450.hpu.edu (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA22942; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:43:06 -1000 (HST) From: "Wai Chan" To: "Bob Collins" , "freebsd newbies" Subject: RE: ifconfig -alaias and resart Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:43:06 -1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <393DB1FA.A81388F0@bellsouth.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org edit /etc/rc.conf add: ifconfig_xl0_alias="inet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" This will set the alias for the ethernet card (xl0) everytime you restart the box. best wishes, Wai Chan -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Bob Collins Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 4:23 PM To: freebsd newbies Subject: ifconfig -alaias and resart I am running Apache on my BSD box for some web testing. I am using ifconfig to alias an additional ip address to my system for multiple sites. How can I set this alias to be permanent, esp after a reboot. (We have bad power and even the batteries don't hold long enough.) Otherwise, I would like to know if I can place it in /etc/rc so it is aliased on every start? TIA Bob Collins To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 6 19:48:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bilmax.cho.cstone.net (bilmax.cho.cstone.net [209.145.79.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFDE37BAB8 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:48:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wer@cstone.net) Received: from cstone.net (localhost.cstone.net [127.0.0.1]) by bilmax.cho.cstone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10086; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:43:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wer@cstone.net) Message-ID: <393DB6E5.67D0CB18@cstone.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 22:43:49 -0400 From: "William E. Reid" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Killingsworth Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /: write failed, file system is full References: <20000607014516.80789.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have seen taht on one machine. As far as I know it is usually one of two things. In your kernel.conf I heard it could be OPEN_MAX="xx" (which I could not find in the 4.0-stable LINT file) or your maxusers="xx" could be set too low (Defaults to 32). However the machine I have with taht problem only reports the error after someone has restarted Zope. I added an fstat before and after the starting of Zope in teh startup script. I didn't see any huge burst of files being opened. It was like 613 and jumped to 619. I also heard one person say that he had seen netscapes cache file cause this problem. I can't track down the problem on my box.... but I am still looking. -=Bill Daniel Killingsworth wrote: > I keep getting this error and am unsure what could be causing it. Could > anyone shed some light on where I mught begin to look? > > /: write failed, file system is full > > Thanks, > > /Dan > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 6 22:56: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E72937B5CA for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:56:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rd64pro@pacbell.net) Received: from ryan ([207.212.134.233]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0FVR0049SSGPAP@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 22:44:26 -0700 From: Ryan Subject: Re: /: write failed, file system is full To: Daniel Killingsworth Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Reply-To: Ryan Message-id: <000b01bfd043$714fbaa0$e986d4cf@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BFD008.C4B6E6E0" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 References: <20000607014516.80789.qmail@hotmail.com> <393DB6E5.67D0CB18@cstone.net> X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BFD008.C4B6E6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dan, I had this same problem about a week after I initially installed = FreeBSD. It turned out that my root directory (i.e. / ) was full. During = the installation, when you arrange partitions/slices/etc, I accepted = FreeBSD's defaults. / ended up being fairly small (yet efficient if kept = clean). Well, one of the first things I did after installing was = recompile the kernel to add sound support for my SBLive! and clean out = some of the unused stuff. After you compile a kernel, the old one is = left behind on / just in case you can't boot to the new one. Well, = between this extra kernel and a few other things on /, it managed to = exceed 100% capacity. Anyway, use 'df' to take a look at the state of your slices. Without = arguments, this will list the default info for /; /usr; /var; /proc; and = I think your swap (Not in FBSD right now, so I can't confirm all of = them). It tells you the total capacity, bytes used, percentage used, = etc.=20 If you've compiled a new kernel and everything is working as expected, = you may want to trash the old one, or at least move it into /usr/local = or something.=20 A hint that this may be the case is the first part of the error = message (i.e. "/: write failed...")=20 Hope this helps! Ryan Daniel Killingsworth wrote: > I keep getting this error and am unsure what could be causing it. = Could > anyone shed some light on where I mught begin to look? > > /: write failed, file system is full > > Thanks, > > /Dan > = ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at = http://www.hotmail.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BFD008.C4B6E6E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Dan,
 
I had this same problem about a = week after I=20 initially installed FreeBSD. It turned out that my root directory = (i.e. /=20 ) was full. During the installation, when you arrange = partitions/slices/etc, I=20 accepted FreeBSD's defaults. / ended up being fairly small (yet = efficient if=20 kept clean). Well, one of the first things I did after installing was=20 recompile the kernel to add sound support for my SBLive! and clean out = some of=20 the unused stuff. After you compile a kernel, the old one is left = behind on /=20 just in case you can't boot to the new one. Well, between this extra = kernel=20 and a few other things on /, it managed to exceed 100% = capacity.
 
Anyway, use 'df' to take a look at = the state=20 of your slices. Without arguments, this will list the default info for = /;=20 /usr; /var; /proc; and I think your swap (Not in FBSD right now, so I = can't=20 confirm all of them). It tells you the total capacity, bytes used, = percentage=20 used, etc.
 
If you've compiled a new kernel = and everything=20 is working as expected, you may want to trash the old one, or at least = move it=20 into /usr/local or something.
 
A hint that this may be the case = is the first=20 part of the error message (i.e. "/: write failed...")
 
Hope this helps!
 
Ryan



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>
> /Dan
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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BFD008.C4B6E6E0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 6 23: 9: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web701.mail.yahoo.com (web701.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 47B8037B7F1 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:09:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tienhuat_lee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 2671 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jun 2000 06:08:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000607060855.2670.qmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [161.142.2.10] by web701.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 23:08:55 PDT Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:08:55 -0700 (PDT) From: tienhuat lee Subject: diskette duplication--exactly To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sir/Madam: How to duplicate "exactly" a diskette, including everything -- partition tables, bad sectors, file system, file, time stamp, ... BIT BY BIT? Thank you. Best regards, Lee Tien Huat ------------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 7 7:39:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304F937BD82 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 07:39:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 216-164-222-186.s440.tnt4.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.222.186] helo=beefstew) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12zgzJ-0004h6-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:39:22 -0400 Message-ID: <002e01bfd08e$4ab48060$badea4d8@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: Subject: x-windows Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:40:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org permission to speak freely: i am having a nasty time trying to get xFree86 to work. the freeBSD install itself is easy and fun. but the x is a hassel. anybody know any alternatives? i'd be willing to try. is freex86 the "only show in town" for windows action w/FreeBSD? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 7 7:56:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imail3.pica.army.mil (imail3.pica.army.mil [129.139.10.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C219837BD22 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 07:56:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from onguyen@pica.army.mil) Received: by imail3.pica.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:56:00 -0400 Message-ID: <53EB67411602D211846900A0C9C7647A0784E9A8@mail3.pica.army.mil> From: "Nguyen, Olivier T [AMSTA-AR-CCF-D]" To: 'leegold' , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: x-windows Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:56:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org yo what graphic card you have ? i have ati and other s3 graphic card and it just work fine. i choose xwindows setup during the freebsd install. -----Original Message----- From: leegold [mailto:goldtech@worldpost.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 10:40 AM To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: x-windows permission to speak freely: i am having a nasty time trying to get xFree86 to work. the freeBSD install itself is easy and fun. but the x is a hassel. anybody know any alternatives? i'd be willing to try. is freex86 the "only show in town" for windows action w/FreeBSD? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 7 8:14:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F5637B651 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:14:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 216-164-222-186.s440.tnt4.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.222.186] helo=beefstew) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12zhXZ-0002Zl-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:14:46 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01bfd093$3ca995a0$badea4d8@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: References: <53EB67411602D211846900A0C9C7647A0784E9A8@mail3.pica.army.mil> Subject: Re: x-windows Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:15:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ATI xpert2000 THERE is no support on how to apply the fix for this card. it's buggy in xfree86 and i have to do something w.the source tree to apply the fix. it ain't gonna happen - nobodies gonna give me STEP-STEP instructions on how to apply the fix - may have to recompile the source. i haven't gotten the support i need either from ATI , X11, questions mail group, or on-line docs, or xi386 x newsgroups on how to do the fix. so screw-it , i swapped the NEW cool ATI for the STB Velocity128 in my old DELL. And will try anew.( the ati installed fine on NT4.0 - via OEM support ). Now let me try w/the STB card - so far I have be getting some fatal x error mess. and can't get x working. but i'll try again today. i am a bit cranky, been up all nite trying to get x to work. in contrast freeBSD itself installs beautifully. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nguyen, Olivier T [AMSTA-AR-CCF-D] To: 'leegold' ; Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 10:56 AM Subject: RE: x-windows > yo > what graphic card you have ? > i have ati and other s3 graphic card and it just work fine. i choose > xwindows setup during the freebsd install. > > -----Original Message----- > From: leegold [mailto:goldtech@worldpost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 10:40 AM > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: x-windows > > > permission to speak freely: > > i am having a nasty time trying to get xFree86 to work. the freeBSD install > itself is easy and fun. but the x is a hassel. anybody know any > alternatives? i'd be willing to try. is freex86 the "only show in town" for > windows action w/FreeBSD? > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 7 8:37:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imail3.pica.army.mil (imail3.pica.army.mil [129.139.10.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595D837B5B3 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:37:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from onguyen@pica.army.mil) Received: by imail3.pica.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:37:27 -0400 Message-ID: <53EB67411602D211846900A0C9C7647A0784E9A9@mail3.pica.army.mil> From: "Nguyen, Olivier T [AMSTA-AR-CCF-D]" To: 'leegold' , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: x-windows Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:37:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hell yeah baby, Unix, LINux , freebsd are all the same . pulling hair off, bang head on wall or table top is the way of learning *nix :) -----Original Message----- From: leegold [mailto:goldtech@worldpost.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 11:16 AM To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: x-windows ATI xpert2000 THERE is no support on how to apply the fix for this card. it's buggy in xfree86 and i have to do something w.the source tree to apply the fix. it ain't gonna happen - nobodies gonna give me STEP-STEP instructions on how to apply the fix - may have to recompile the source. i haven't gotten the support i need either from ATI , X11, questions mail group, or on-line docs, or xi386 x newsgroups on how to do the fix. so screw-it , i swapped the NEW cool ATI for the STB Velocity128 in my old DELL. And will try anew.( the ati installed fine on NT4.0 - via OEM support ). Now let me try w/the STB card - so far I have be getting some fatal x error mess. and can't get x working. but i'll try again today. i am a bit cranky, been up all nite trying to get x to work. in contrast freeBSD itself installs beautifully. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nguyen, Olivier T [AMSTA-AR-CCF-D] To: 'leegold' ; Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 10:56 AM Subject: RE: x-windows > yo > what graphic card you have ? > i have ati and other s3 graphic card and it just work fine. i choose > xwindows setup during the freebsd install. > > -----Original Message----- > From: leegold [mailto:goldtech@worldpost.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 10:40 AM > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: x-windows > > > permission to speak freely: > > i am having a nasty time trying to get xFree86 to work. the freeBSD install > itself is easy and fun. but the x is a hassel. anybody know any > alternatives? i'd be willing to try. is freex86 the "only show in town" for > windows action w/FreeBSD? > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 7 10:17: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from radius.city-guide.com (radius.cityisp.net [216.2.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA6337BDEC for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:16:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@cityisp.net) Received: from thebomb.city-guide.com (unverified [216.3.179.5]) by radius.city-guide.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.181) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:27:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:28:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Lynch X-Sender: lynch@thebomb.city-guide.com To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: x-windows In-Reply-To: <002b01bfd093$3ca995a0$badea4d8@beefstew> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org the STB Velocity 128 is supported under 4.0. You have to get the correct monitor settings and you also have to run xf86config. It won't work correctly until you get the settings right. Most problems I've ran into where incorrect hsync frequencies, and then selecting the incorrect vsync. And, selecting the wrong resolution ( I usually run at 1024x768. I've had to select both 1024x 768 and the next lowest res, 800x600, on some installs, just so it wouldn't gripe -still ran in 1024, so as long as it's working, I'm happy) It'll get easier. Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 7 10:52: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A777C37B76F for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:52:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4176; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:53:26 -0700 Message-ID: <393E8B3D.712DF0D3@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 10:49:49 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Lynch Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: x-windows References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris Lynch wrote: > the STB Velocity 128 is supported under 4.0. This is also true for a lot of the newer cards. A while ago the Xfree86 team made the decision to spend their energy on 4.0 instead of 3.3. For a good period of time, the only things that got in 3.3 were bugfixes. 4.0 has new drivers, and for a lot of older hards, hardware acceleration and other goodies. Now that the big push to get 4.0 out the door is over, I expect they'll go back and add in support for cards they didn't have time for. I consider the XFree86 team to be the unsung heroes of Open Source. Everyone knows the names Linus Torvalds and Richard Stallman. Most folks know the names Bill Jolitz and Kirk McKusick. But no one knows the names of the XFree86 developers. They are the purest of the Open Source crowd: not for money, ideology, academia or fun - they do because it's there. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 7 11:28:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D4237B6BE for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:28:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e57ISU316042; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:28:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Daniel Killingsworth Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /: write failed, file system is full In-Reply-To: <20000607014516.80789.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Daniel Killingsworth wrote: > I keep getting this error and am unsure what could be causing it. Could > anyone shed some light on where I mught begin to look? > > /: write failed, file system is full Since people have trouble understanding what this means, what would be a better message to print out when the disk is full? What is confusing about "File system is full"? This is not a difficult concept, but it seems the lower 50% of the population doesn't understand that disks and filesystems are of finite size. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 7 16:56:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A46837B8EC for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:56:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-225-9.s9.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.225.9] helo=beefstew) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12zpgS-0007Fb-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:56:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01bfd0dc$1dbe8170$09e17ad1@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: Subject: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:57:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org well i got x installed. someone told me to use windowmaker, and i installed it. but there isn't alot of good DOCUMENTATION on it! so i'm at a dead end trying to configure it. ..how many mail lists am i gonna join? therefore my question is, is it possible to have have gnome also installed, then how would startx work? w/2 managers? is it easy to uninstall windowmaker? how is that done? Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 7 17:50:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2328937B5AE for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:50:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-225-9.s9.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.225.9] helo=beefstew) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12zqWo-0000LH-00; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:50:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01bfd0e3$accef0a0$09e17ad1@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: "David Johnson" Cc: References: <000d01bfd0dc$1dbe8170$09e17ad1@beefstew> <393EE8C4.2ABC5FCC@acuson.com> Subject: Re: windowmaker Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:51:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org .....> > No, there isn't a lot of documentation on WindowMaker. You can find a > lot of info on the www.windowmaker.org page, and they do have a > relatively complete manual- for version 0.18! A lot of stuff has changed > since then, but the UI is still the same. yes, but the manual is in .ps format - i can't deal w/that format. pdf of html would be more accesable for me. why'd they do that? - there's an html doc in work though. now i gotta join the WM list and start to spray questions all over the place. > 99% of the configuration can be done in the WMPrefs utility, which is > that icon resembling the GNUstep logo set in a green grid. elaborate please, i have been playing w/xvidtune, but i need more...there's also a config file too of course. where's WMPrefs - is it one of those 3 icons by default on the upper right? played w/that. you into some straight 100 proof WM questions? I posted them on the WM mail list tonite. http://www.windowmaker.org/lists/wm-user/ . > Overall, I still like WindowMaker the best of all window managers. i'll keep at it then, but i was a little freaked by the lack of amazon.com like docs. for it. all the unix people are saying it's the best bet. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 7 18:19:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9552537B84C for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:19:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p127.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.127]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA43562; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 03:17:40 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA01863; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:25:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:25:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Ryan Cc: Daniel Killingsworth , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /: write failed, file system is full In-Reply-To: <000b01bfd043$714fbaa0$e986d4cf@pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Another usefull thing is to link (ln -s) /tmp to /usr/tmp. So it looks somehow like: lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 8 Sep 13 1999 /tmp -> /usr/tmp H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 7 18:20:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCF037B8B8 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:20:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA45F5; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:21:40 -0700 Message-ID: <393EF44B.143BC89@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 18:18:03 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leegold Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: windowmaker References: <000d01bfd0dc$1dbe8170$09e17ad1@beefstew> <393EE8C4.2ABC5FCC@acuson.com> <000e01bfd0e3$accef0a0$09e17ad1@beefstew> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org leegold wrote: > yes, but the manual is in .ps format - i can't deal w/that format. pdf of > html would be more accesable for me. why'd they do that? The reason they did that, is because .ps is an old-time unix standard. You can view in in Ghostview or gv, or print it out directly to any postscript printer, or any unix printer with a postscript filter. But you're correct in that an HTML format would be accessible by the most people. > elaborate please, i have been playing w/xvidtune, but i need more... What exactly are you trying to configure? xvidtune is concerned solely with X, screen resolutions, video timings, etc. It has nothing to do with window managers. > there's > also a config file too of course. Which is a bit obtuse until you figure it out. Which is why there's... > WMPrefs - is it one of those 3 > icons by default on the upper right? Yes it is. I believe on the default setup, it is the middle icon. > played w/that. you into some straight > 100 proof WM questions? I posted them on the WM mail list tonite. If they're user-mode type questions, sure, send them to me (not to the list). But make sure you have X up and running correctly first. I can't help you with video card drivers or xf86config's. But straight WM questions I can handle, like "what's an appicon?" (I don't know) or "how do I how do I get that nifty transparent console down in the corner like you do?" (easy). David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 7 18:40:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C9637B949 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:40:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r44.bfm.org [216.127.220.140]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:41:01 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000607203958.008fa7e0@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 20:39:58 -0500 To: "leegold" , "David Johnson" From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: windowmaker Cc: In-Reply-To: <000e01bfd0e3$accef0a0$09e17ad1@beefstew> References: <000d01bfd0dc$1dbe8170$09e17ad1@beefstew> <393EE8C4.2ABC5FCC@acuson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 20:51 07-06-2000 -0400, leegold wrote: >yes, but the manual is in .ps format - i can't deal w/that format. pdf of >html would be more accesable for me. Use 'Net Distillery at http://www.babinszki.com/distiller/ - you upload any .ps file to it and within 3 minutes (usually much faster, actually), you can download the same file converted to pdf. Cheers, Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 7 19:10:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f219.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0569237BF7F for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:10:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomhines2@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 56703 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2000 02:10:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20000608021037.56701.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.173.59.83 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:10:37 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.173.59.83] From: "Tom Hines" To: goldtech@worldpost.com, djohnson@acuson.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: windowmaker Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:10:37 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Overall, I still like WindowMaker the best of all window managers. > >i'll keep at it then, but i was a little freaked by the lack of amazon.com >like docs. for it. all the unix people are saying it's the best bet. I don't like it, and I can't figure out what everybody else likes about it. I don't like the clip and the huge icons WM puts on the bottom of the screen when you minimize an application. Sounds like you want something easily configured. Try XFce (http://www.xfce.org). Everything's configured with the mouse. When you're more comfortable with config files, try Blackbox (http://Blackbox.alug.org) Tom ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 7 20:37:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bga.com (mail5.realtime.net [205.238.128.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1BE4037B66D for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:37:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from outlawtx@bga.com) Received: from john ([204.181.162.73]) by bga.com ; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:37:19 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000607224345.01a6c100@bga.com> X-Sender: outlawtx@bga.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:43:45 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: outlawtx@bga.com Subject: Re: windowmaker In-Reply-To: <20000608021037.56701.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm using Xfce and really do like it. It's fast on a slow machine and a no-brainer to add new apps to the menu. Don At 10:10 PM 6/7/2000 EDT, you wrote: >> > Overall, I still like WindowMaker the best of all window managers. >> >>i'll keep at it then, but i was a little freaked by the lack of amazon.com >>like docs. for it. all the unix people are saying it's the best bet. > >I don't like it, and I can't figure out what everybody else likes about it. >I don't like the clip and the huge icons WM puts on the bottom of the screen >when you minimize an application. > >Sounds like you want something easily configured. Try XFce >(http://www.xfce.org). Everything's configured with the mouse. When you're >more comfortable with config files, try Blackbox (http://Blackbox.alug.org) > >Tom >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 7 22:14:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail0.mia.bellsouth.net (mail0.mia.bellsouth.net [205.152.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73BD437BA1A for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:14:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pineypl@bellsouth.net) Received: from bellsouth.net (adsl-61-16-127.mia.bellsouth.net [208.61.16.127]) by mail0.mia (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id XAA26571 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <393F114E.A4E4FC69@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 23:21:50 -0400 From: Bob Collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd newbies Subject: Re: ifconfig -alias and restart References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wai Chan wrote: > > edit /etc/rc.conf > add: > ifconfig_xl0_alias="inet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" > > This will set the alias for the ethernet card (xl0) everytime you restart Funny, I tried this and it does not work. FWIW my /etc/rc.conf reads as follows: (only a portion is shown) ifconfig_np0="inet 10.1.1.7 netmask 255.255.255.0" ifconfig_np0_alias="inet 10.1.1.8 netmask 255.255.255.0" Once the system boots, I log in and run "ifconfig -a" and it does not report the 10.1.1.8 address. Also if I ping that address from the network, it will time out. If I do "ifconfig pn0 alias 10.1.1.8" then it loads and works fine. Have I missed something small? Bob "somewhat confused" Collins To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 8 2:19:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E2037B89C for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:19:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 12zySE-000AHF-00; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 11:18:22 +0200 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:18:22 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Bob Collins Cc: freebsd newbies Subject: Re: ifconfig -alias and restart Message-ID: <20000608111822.A39494@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <393F114E.A4E4FC69@bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <393F114E.A4E4FC69@bellsouth.net>; from pineypl@bellsouth.net on Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 11:21:50PM -0400 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed 2000-06-07 (23:21), Bob Collins wrote: > ifconfig_np0="inet 10.1.1.7 netmask 255.255.255.0" > ifconfig_np0_alias="inet 10.1.1.8 netmask 255.255.255.0" alias0, not alias. And set your netmask to 255.255.255.255, not 255.255.255.0, on the alias. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 8 6:19:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7857F37BB3C for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 06:19:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-224-226.s480.tnt3.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.224.226] helo=beefstew) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 1302D9-0003Fy-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:19:04 -0400 Message-ID: <001301bfd14c$3d96b5b0$e2e07ad1@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: Subject: Re: window Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:19:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i am loath to spend any more time w/x-windows. i have spent more time trying get it going than i have w/learning unix - which is the point of all this for me. i need the simplest x-windows setup i can get. problem is i can't find a STEP BY STEP explaination on how to configure it - do i ahve to read another orielly book to get anything going?. it seems like i am just continually scoping books, searching Linux sites/howtos, groping for questions on the web, and i'm not getting anywhere. all my windowsmaker questions where deflected at their mail list - saying they were all xfree86 issues not windowmaker questions. 1st thing is i can not adjust my monitor anymore w/the hardware adjustments on the front panel of the monitor - i get an err mess saying i can not adjust the timing. this never happened w/nt. why would i be locked out from my own monitors adjustments? xvidtune is not doing squat to help me configure the dimentions - there is a problem w/my desktop scrolling off the screen completely when i drag windows to the screen edge. xvidtune has no effect on this. w/windowsmaker there is a strange opague border around the steelblue WM desktop. what the heck is it? it's only visible when using WM - but they say it's an x86 issue. so i think i'm going to uninstall the whole bag and rethink this - i have a powerful OS in my box and i'm am getting sidetracked w/less important stuff. i wouldn't mind a stable console window,,,, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 8 10:21:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from radius.city-guide.com (radius.cityisp.net [216.2.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F6637B778 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:21:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@cityisp.net) Received: from thebomb.city-guide.com (unverified [216.3.179.5]) by radius.city-guide.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.181) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:32:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:34:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Lynch X-Sender: lynch@thebomb.city-guide.com To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: window In-Reply-To: <001301bfd14c$3d96b5b0$e2e07ad1@beefstew> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, leegold wrote: > find a STEP BY STEP explaination on how to configure it - do i ahve to read > another orielly book to get anything going?. it seems like i am just > continually scoping books, searching Linux sites/howtos, groping for > questions on the web, and i'm not getting anywhere. all my windowsmaker > questions where deflected at their mail list - saying they were all xfree86 > issues not windowmaker questions. > > 1st thing is i can not adjust my monitor anymore w/the hardware adjustments > on the front panel of the monitor - i get an err mess saying i can not > adjust the timing. this never happened w/nt. why would i be locked out from > my own monitors adjustments? You must find out your monitor hsync and vsync freq. You select them during the xf86config program. Also, choose the correct res. You already typed wmaker.inst to setup windowmaker. If you want a generic window manager do this: # cp /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc ~yourloginname/.xinitrc you could also type: # cp /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc $HOME/.xinitrc open .xinitrc with your favorite editor. You'll probably want to use ee, because vi will probably make you pull more hair out, although it is far superior to most editors... At the bottom you will see something along the lines of "put some nice programs here" If you leave that file as is (you can change the ownership to yourself, also) you'll get good ol X . I comment out the lines and type startkde on a line by itself, because that's my window manager of choice. Oh yeah, a good idea is to type # man xinit it'll give you some insight. > > xvidtune is not doing squat to help me configure the dimentions - there is a > problem w/my desktop scrolling off the screen completely when i drag windows > to the screen edge. xvidtune has no effect on this. > You have to run xf86config. You really need to also read the screen when you run it. I've never used xvidtune, since xf86config works well enough for me( I like it's straight forward style). > w/windowsmaker there is a strange opague border around the steelblue WM > desktop. what the heck is it? it's only visible when using WM - but they say > it's an x86 issue. > it could be something with using the wrong resolution. > so i think i'm going to uninstall the whole bag and rethink this - i have a > powerful OS in my box and i'm am getting sidetracked w/less important stuff. > i wouldn't mind a stable console window,,,, suit yourself, although, I would just rethink what steps you've taken during this whole process that could have caused it NOT to work. It's pretty lame, and somewhat cold to say , but, if your hardware is supported and it's not working , then you are doing something wrong. it's probably do to something you've overlooked. Getting X to run is the first thing alot of Unix home users struggle with, including myself.My problems where due to not using the correct hardware settings.After the initial problems, I've had different versions of various Window Managers up and running fo a while now. Unix seems excessively complex , at first. It gets easier. And , then there is the constant learning that happens. later Chris Lynch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 8 12:24: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBACA37C02D for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:24:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-223-96.s96.tnt3.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.223.96] helo=beefstew) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 1307uC-0000XY-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:23:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bfd17f$337aa270$60df7ad1@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: References: Subject: Re: windows finally Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:24:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i figured out the xfree86 - if this is any help - xfree86 setup will "optimize" some factors for the highest resolution that is selected durring an XFree86setup. therefore if one chooses 1024x.... and 800x..., then say if you flip it to 800x...during a windows session the icons will be off the screen and there will be that "global" desktop scrolling phenomena when a component is dragged and pinned to a desktop edge ( marqee'ing other components in/out of view ). so i just choose one resolution i liked and when the setup program is just about over there will be a dialog window and behind that dialog window is a proto desktop area - then size that desktop area w/the controls on the monitor. then ok out - and it's sweet. i realize this is idiosyncratic ( of me -mostly ), but it worked. I have the basic desktop I'm looking for. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 8 19: 1:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B5EDA37BD2C for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:01:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rewted@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 30062 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2000 02:01:39 -0000 Received: from as52-22-85.cas-kit.golden.net (HELO elite) (209.183.132.85) by mail03.rzmi.gmx.net with SMTP; 9 Jun 2000 02:01:39 -0000 Message-ID: <002a01bfd1cf$d65e4140$5584b7d1@elite> From: "rewted" To: Subject: silo overflow Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:01:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org while trying to connect to the Net using kppp, i got a silo overflow in /kernel in my kernel. How can i solve this problem and what happened? -- r00t3d! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 9 9:41:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.utexas.edu (wb3-a.mail.utexas.edu [128.83.126.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6288237C433 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:41:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oscars@mail.utexas.edu) Received: (qmail 29666 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2000 16:41:17 -0000 Received: from chepe.cc.utexas.edu (HELO chepe) (128.83.135.25) by umbs-smtp-3 with SMTP; 9 Jun 2000 16:41:17 -0000 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000609111731.00ae2280@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: oscars@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 11:39:15 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: Oscar Ricardo Silva Subject: How to view postscript files? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In learning to use FreeBSD 3.4/4.0 and some other Unix-type systems I've seen that many documents are distributed in postscript format. If I'm on a FreeBSD machine, with no X installed, how can I read the contents of these postscript files? I attempted to issue the command: gs myfile.ps but received the following errors: Aladdin Ghostscript 6.01 (2000-03-17) Copyright (C) 2000 Aladdin Enterprises, Menlo Park, CA. All rights reserved. This software comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file PUBLIC for details. Error: /invalidfileaccess in --.outputpage-- Operand stack: 1 true Execution stack: %interp_exit .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- 2 %stopped_push --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- false 1 %stopped_push 1 3 %oparray_pop 1 3 %oparray_pop .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- 2 %stopped_push --nostringval-- 0 3 %oparray_pop --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- Dictionary stack: --dict:929/983(ro)(G)-- --dict:0/20(G)-- --dict:66/200(L)-- Current allocation mode is local Current file position is 25499 Aladdin Ghostscript 6.01: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1 Any information would be appreciated. Oscar "Don't believe the hype" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 9 10:20:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04ABC37C39B for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:19:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA3C40; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:20:18 -0700 Message-ID: <39412678.6D614EBF@acuson.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 10:16:40 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rewted Cc: freebsd-newbies@frEEbSd.oRg Subject: Re: silo overflow References: <002a01bfd1cf$d65e4140$5584b7d1@elite> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org rewted wrote: > > while trying to connect to the Net using kppp, i got a silo overflow in > /kernel in my kernel. How can i solve this problem and what happened? Okay, here's a suggestion from one newbie to another (meaning it's probably useless). I've never had a problem with kppp if I had ppp correctly set up. Try to rule out kppp as your culprit by connecting without it first (that's easy to say, isn't it ;) ). I'm suspecting that something is not set up right for pppd, and that's your real problem. You might also want to search for "'silo overflow' and FreeBSD" on google or another good search engine. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 9 10:53:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A0B37BBC1; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:53:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-226-32.s286.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.226.32] helo=beefstew) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 130SyZ-0001UN-00; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:53:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bfd23b$c6cd4cf0$20e27ad1@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: "Oscar Ricardo Silva" Cc: , References: <4.2.2.20000609111731.00ae2280@mail.utexas.edu> Subject: Re: How to view postscript files? Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:54:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.babinszki.com/distiller/ Oscar, I haven't tried it, check out the above link - they will convert your .ps file to .pdf . That may be easier for you to handle - maybe. ----- Original Message ----- From: Oscar Ricardo Silva To: ; Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 12:39 PM Subject: How to view postscript files? > In learning to use FreeBSD 3.4/4.0 and some other Unix-type systems I've > seen that many documents are distributed in postscript format. If I'm on a > FreeBSD machine, with no X installed, how can I read the contents of these > postscript files? > > I attempted to issue the command: gs myfile.ps but received the following > errors: > > Aladdin Ghostscript 6.01 (2000-03-17) > Copyright (C) 2000 Aladdin Enterprises, Menlo Park, CA. All rights reserved. > This software comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file PUBLIC for details. > Error: /invalidfileaccess in --.outputpage-- > Operand stack: > 1 true > Execution stack: > %interp_exit .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostringval-- > --nostringval-- 2 %stopped_push --nostringval-- --nostringval-- > --nostringval-- false 1 %stopped_push 1 3 %oparray_pop 1 3 > %oparray_pop .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostringval-- > --nostringval-- 2 %stopped_push --nostringval-- 0 3 > %oparray_pop --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- > --nostringval-- > Dictionary stack: > --dict:929/983(ro)(G)-- --dict:0/20(G)-- --dict:66/200(L)-- > Current allocation mode is local > Current file position is 25499 > Aladdin Ghostscript 6.01: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1 > > > > > Any information would be appreciated. > > > > Oscar > > > > "Don't believe the hype" > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 9 10:56: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web4704.mail.yahoo.com (web4704.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D775A37BBC1 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:56:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gmpicket@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20000609175604.8253.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.82.6.144] by web4704.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 10:56:04 PDT Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:56:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Gail Pickett Subject: Re: silo overflow To: David Johnson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Another newbie speaking up. Silo overflow means that the modem dropped a packet and had to re-try to get it, which slows down the transfer time of whatever you were downloading. Pretty harmless in general. To reduce the number of silo overflows if you are getting lots fo them (check dmesg), get a faster serial port or run your modem at a slower speed. Hope that helps. Search mailing list archives at www.geocrawler.com (pick freebsd from the list). Gail --- David Johnson wrote: > rewted wrote: > > > > while trying to connect to the Net using kppp, i > got a silo overflow in > > /kernel in my kernel. How can i solve this > problem and what happened? > > Okay, here's a suggestion from one newbie to another > (meaning it's > probably useless). I've never had a problem with > kppp if I had ppp > correctly set up. Try to rule out kppp as your > culprit by connecting > without it first (that's easy to say, isn't it ;) ). > I'm suspecting that > something is not set up right for pppd, and that's > your real problem. > You might also want to search for "'silo overflow' > and FreeBSD" on > google or another good search engine. > > David > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > the message > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 9 11:32:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C49637B81F; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:32:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p79.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.79]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA372714; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:30:55 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA00465; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:07:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:07:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Oscar Ricardo Silva Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to view postscript files? In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000609111731.00ae2280@mail.utexas.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org IMHO no chance without X, as far as ghostscript is concerned. Except printing, see the section about printing in the handbook. But it should be possible to convert it to ascii, to extract the text. Did it in Dos, so... H. > seen that many documents are distributed in postscript format. If I'm on a > FreeBSD machine, with no X installed, how can I read the contents of these > postscript files? > > I attempted to issue the command: gs myfile.ps but received the following > errors: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 9 11:32:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F0E37B892 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:32:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p79.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.79]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA372712; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:30:53 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA00472; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:11:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:11:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: leegold Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: windows finally In-Reply-To: <000a01bfd17f$337aa270$60df7ad1@beefstew> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > an XFree86setup. therefore if one chooses 1024x.... and 800x..., then say > if you flip it to 800x...during a windows session the icons will be off the > screen and there will be that "global" desktop scrolling phenomena when a > component is dragged and pinned to a desktop edge ( marqee'ing other You can get used to it, its IMHO the only way to use blender (of www.neogeo.nl), at least with my monitor... H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 9 15:30:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f85.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5AF4337C4ED for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:30:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ntvsunix@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 24405 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2000 22:30:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000609223040.24404.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.53.54.44 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 15:30:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.53.54.44] From: "Some Person" To: freebsd-newbies@frEEbSd.oRg Subject: Win98, Win2k and FreeBSD - Tripple Boot...? Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 15:30:40 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What's the order, and/or process to tripple boot Win98, Win2k and FreeBSD? I need 98 (peice of *#@$@#% @#%@#) for games, Win2k to try out, and FreeBSD for all my other server services. I just don't know how to get them all in the boot manager, or what order I would need to do them in, as well as what boot manager I should use, and when to apply it. Any help would be very appreciated! Thanks ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 9 18: 8:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ida.net (mail.ida.net [204.228.203.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 93B0737B6E8 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:08:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ares@ida.net) Received: (qmail 1176 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2000 01:08:35 -0000 Received: from pm-pt3-48.ida.net (HELO arescomputer) (208.141.181.153) by mail.ida.net with SMTP; 10 Jun 2000 01:08:35 -0000 Message-ID: <001f01bfd280$8d401fe0$99b58dd0@arescomputer> From: "Bryan Otteson" To: References: <20000609223040.24404.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Win98, Win2k and FreeBSD - Tripple Boot...? Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:06:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Whenever I have tried to use multiple OS's, I have found that Powerquest's Boot Magic is a pretty good one to use. It is pretty easy to set everything up as far as I have seen, and it provides a nice graphical interface for choosing your O/S too. But don't take just my word on it, I'm still just a rookie. :) me, b ----- Original Message ----- From: "Some Person" To: Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 3:30 PM Subject: Win98, Win2k and FreeBSD - Tripple Boot...? > What's the order, and/or process to tripple boot Win98, Win2k and FreeBSD? I > need 98 (peice of *#@$@#% @#%@#) for games, Win2k to try out, and FreeBSD > for all my other server services. > > I just don't know how to get them all in the boot manager, or what order I > would need to do them in, as well as what boot manager I should use, and > when to apply it. > > Any help would be very appreciated! > > Thanks > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 9 19:30:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D8E37B631 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:30:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06647 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:30:10 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:30:10 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200006100230.MAA06647@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 10 20:33:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5290937B9A9 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:33:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zackrat@att.net) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([12.78.149.46]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000611033312.BZME2120.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@localhost.localdomain> for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:33:12 +0000 From: zack r. To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Files created with 444 permissions. Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:23:03 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00061023301700.19709@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, it's a trivial question, but since it's a newbie mailing group i hope you won't mind. The thing is that whenever i start kde session and try to create a link on a desktop, the link is created with 444 permission which won't allow me to make any changes to it. I have go to console and chmod it. After which i can go back and make changes to the link ( select an icon and an application which it should link to). It's a pain, the point is that the umask is 022 so i'm kind of lost. What am I doing wrong? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 10 20:56:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.sirius.com (mail1.sirius.com [205.134.253.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE0937B564 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:56:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dragon@skullybat.com) Received: from skullybat.com (116-89-127-216.ip.sirius.com [216.127.89.116] (may be forged)) by mail1.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA09847 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39430EAD.ED206D1F@skullybat.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:59:42 -0700 From: Dragon Green Reply-To: dragon@skullybat.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Getting the hang of this stuff. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello fellow newbies. After reading that message about what this list is all about I felt compelled to write. I am having so much fun with FreeBSD. I secretly thought that it was a little over my head (I was a mac person), but since I have gotten brave and gotten into it, I am really enjoying the puzzle that it can be sometimes. I started using it a little at work. We used it as a web server. We got a new sys-admin who was more open to showing me some basic stuff and I found that it wasn't as difficult as I had thought. Now I am running my own server at home and having so much fun setting it up that I have a hard time getting to work on the site that I am serving on it. I must be sick because I love that there is always some thing to figure out. It's a constant challenge, and when I do figure something out, It feels so good. Well anyway. I was moved, what can I say. Dragon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message