From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 18 7:22:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from southern-software.com (rosetta.thundercat.com [203.37.173.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7190B37BB10; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 07:21:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from info@southern-software.com) Received: from southern-software.com [198.142.196.124] by southern-software.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A898C73A0392; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 00:22:00 PDT From: info@southern-software.com Reply-To: info@southern-software.com To: info@southern-software.com Subject: Can you please assist ? Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 00:23:30 PDT Message-Id: <20000618142156.7190B37BB10@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ___________________________________________________________ We are a software development company that specializes in security software. For some time now we have been working on developing a Client email program that contains security features never before available. In order for us to make this program the best that it can possibly be, we ask your assistance by taking a few minutes to answer these important questions for us. Which of the following functions do you consider to be important or essential for an email program? For questions 1-7, please rate 1-5. (1 being the least important and 5 being most important). A client email program should have: Question 1: The ability to prevent certain attachments that may possibly be carrying a virus. (This allows you to accept only safe attachments) Importance Rating______ Question 2: Automatic searching for file attachments that have been renamed or tampered with. (Virus senders can rename vbs files to txt files hoping you will open them) Importance Rating______ Question 3: The ability to limit the size of incoming email and attachments. (Reduce time wasted downloading large files, graphics, audio files, jokes, etc.) Importance Rating______ Question 4: The ability to select the size of outgoing emails and attachments. (Saves bandwidth as large files are roughly doubled when transferred by email). Importance Rating______ Question 5: An encrypted Address Book. (This will stop worm viruses sending copies of itself to your clients and/or friends). Importance Rating______ Question 6: The ability to restrict the number of attachments and size of attachments sent or received. And the ability to the restrict types of attachments received. (Gives control to employers and eliminate privacy issues arising). Importance Rating______ Question 7: A viewable log file containing information such as; email deleted without being opened, when email was downloaded, when email was read (opened), if email was forwarded or replied to etc. (Mail management and accountability at a glance) Importance Rating______ Question 8: Has your company been the victim of a computer virus attack? Yes/No ________ Question 9: If yes to question 8, approximately how many hours did it take to fix the problem? Hours ________ Question 10: If an email program was developed with the above security features, would you be interested in trialing a free demonstration version? Yes/No ________ Question 11: What percentage of email traffic is personal email? __________% We sincerely thank you for your time in answering these important questions for us. Sincere thanks, Graeme A. Ryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 18 9:25:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail0.mia.bellsouth.net (mail0.mia.bellsouth.net [205.152.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3C2137B6C8 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 09:25:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pineypl@bellsouth.net) Received: from bellsouth.net (adsl-61-16-127.mia.bellsouth.net [208.61.16.127]) by mail0.mia.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id MAA21918 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <394CF819.ABD69B71@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:26:01 -0400 From: Bob Collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd newbies Subject: Re: Dynamic IP and ADSL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bob Collins wrote: > > I have an ADSL connection at home, and must use a dynamically assigned > IP address. Is there a way to configure FBSD to use DHCP? I shall answer my own question. As I was rather hasty asking questions first and looking later. I had not liked the search results I was getting for other matters on the archive, so I skipped them this time. Dumb!!! It seems dhclient is a very good tool for this. I read the dhclient and dhclient.conf man pages a few times and built up my /etc/dhclient.conf file . I made sure my 3Com nic attached to the adsl model was set properly and was listed in the dhclient.conf properly. >From a command line, I entered dhclient and there I was. NICE! The more I use FreeBSD the more I understand how good it is. Changes like that, would normally require reboots and prayers, FBSD just does it! Bob "sometimes too hasty" Collins To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 18 10: 0:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from osiris.ipform.ru (osiris.ipform.ru [212.158.165.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2682837B574 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 10:00:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matrix@chat.ru) Received: from wp2 ([192.168.0.12]) by osiris.ipform.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA80091 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:00:09 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from matrix@chat.ru) Message-ID: <002301bfd946$988a45c0$0c00a8c0@ipform.ru> From: "Artem Koutchine" To: Subject: Find all file newer than DATE Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:59:38 +0400 Organization: IP Form MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmm.. i can't find an easy way to find all file newer than spcified date recursively down the tree and then build those parts of the tree where such files occured and copy those file into a new tree. So, if i made a change to several file in a deep source tree i then can extract them from there and synchronize with such tree on the other machine. I know, it looks like CVS, but i need it done by hand where i want in shell. Help! Artem To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 18 12:37:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from Astrovan.cstone.net (astrovan.cstone.net [209.145.64.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A303137B5FC for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:37:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wer@cstone.net) Received: from cstone.net (bilmax.cho.cstone.net [209.145.79.244]) by Astrovan.cstone.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59789U13500L1350S0V35) with ESMTP id net; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 15:30:42 -0400 Message-ID: <394D23B1.70FDEBCE@cstone.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 15:32:01 -0400 From: "William E. Reid" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Collins Cc: freebsd newbies Subject: Re: Dynamic IP and ADSL References: <394CF819.ABD69B71@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Also bob, I thought you could put something like dhcp_program="/sbin/dhclient" # Path to dhcp client program. dhcp_flags="" # Additional flags to pass to dhcp client. ifconfig_eth0="dhcp" in your rc.conf file. Assuming your ADSL dhcp server is setup right It should give you your hostname as well. I have only seen DHCP run over a local network but I would assume it works the same. I can't get into the network that had all this set up so I may have some flags missing or some syntax wrong. -=Bill Bob Collins wrote: > Bob Collins wrote: > > > > I have an ADSL connection at home, and must use a dynamically assigned > > IP address. Is there a way to configure FBSD to use DHCP? > > I shall answer my own question. As I was rather hasty asking questions > first and looking later. I had not liked the search results I was > getting for other matters on the archive, so I skipped them this time. > Dumb!!! > > It seems dhclient is a very good tool for this. I read the dhclient > and dhclient.conf man pages a few times and built up my > /etc/dhclient.conf file . I made sure my 3Com nic attached to the adsl > model was set properly and was listed in the dhclient.conf properly. > >From a command line, I entered dhclient and there I > was. NICE! > > The more I use FreeBSD the more I understand how good it > is. Changes like that, would normally require reboots and prayers, > FBSD just does it! > > Bob "sometimes too hasty" Collins > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 18 22:41:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f186.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 797AE37B6D1 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:41:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ntvsunix@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 98227 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jun 2000 05:41:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000619054125.98226.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.53.54.44 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:41:25 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.53.54.44] From: "Some Person" To: jswarner@uswest.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD at work Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:41:25 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I can't say enough how much I totaly agree with you on everything you wrote... I think so much the same; you literally took the words right out of my mouth! :) You also gave me some greats ideas and I very much appreciate the time you took to write and express the things you did. Best Regards! >I work for a company (SMS) http://www.smed.com/ that writes medical >software on >the AS/400 for hospitals. Which, incidentally, will be purchased by >Siemens >Corp. http://www.siemens.de/en2/html/ by the end of this month. I'm an >Operations Technical Analyst and have worked in the tech dept. for the last >3 >years. My main responsibilities are AS/400 administration, LAN >administration >and special projects. I've used Linux, mostly Caldera & Red Hat, for the >last 2 >years and belong to a local linux users group (LUG). Wes Peters was the >main >influence for me switching to FreeBSD. He came to one of the LUG meetings >and >did an excellent presentation on FreeBSD and tossed new CD ROM sets of >FreeBSD >3.4 into the crowd. I was lucky to have been paying attention and caught >one! >Since I've started using FreeBSD, I haven't looked back either. I'm not >trying >to say anything derogatory about Linux either. I'm very grateful for the >exposure to Unix that I got from using Linux. For me, Linux provided the >necessary background/experience to allow me to make the transition to >FreeBSD. >Everything about FreeBSD just makes more sense to me and seems to be >organized >into a more logical order. Each day I work on the PC I've installed >FreeBSD on, >I find something new that is built into the system, which impresses me. I >could >list those things here but this response is going to be long enough! 8^) >Ok, >I'll mention a couple..I like how easy it is to load software/updates and >how >easy it is to compile the kernel. > > The primary OS of choice in our shop is WIN NT 4.0 and IBM OS/400 >(V4R4) and >like you, having been struggling with finding ways to impress upon >management >and the like, how powerful, cost effective and useful an OS like FreeBSD >would >be to utilize. So far, the best way I've seen is to demonstrate it's >abilities >in a more tangible manner, like setting up and demonstrating a web server >or >demonstrating it's network analysis capabilities with programs like TCPDUMP >or >Ethereal. Our head LAN administrator wanted a good LAN sniffer to trace >bottlenecks on our LAN/WAN and couldn't convince management to purchase a >sniffer or good sniffing software that would run on NT. I was able to show >him/them that we already had a solution with FreeBSD. As a result, they >were >pretty impressed. > > One of my managers made a valid point when he said that having only >one or >two people experienced with using FreeBSD or Linux won't work but if we get >half >the department trained on it, then we would be in a better position to use >it >and integrate it into our network structure more. > > I recently had someone on the linux-advocacy newsgroup tell me he >thought I >was into "silly stuff" for trying to implement an OS like FreeBSD or Linux >where >I work. He said that it won't be cost effective because it would be too >expensive to replace OS' like NT or OS/400 with Linux or FreeBSD. He >hinted >that it wouldn't make sense to replace technology already in place that >works. >I feel he misinterpreted my intentions. My goal isn't to replace existing >technology. My goal is to find and utilize technology that works! And >FreeBSD >certainly fits the bill. > > > > > > > > > Unfortunatly, I've run in many many times that FreeBSD could have been >used > > in replace of NT for our clients, much better, much faster, more >reliable, > > much more powerful, more granular in that it gives so much more control >over > > everything and anything, cheaper and the list just goes on and on... > > Only reason I don't get to actually implement this type thing is that >these > > seniors have no idea how to use FreeBSD and literally have no concept on >how > > it can outbeat MS Windows XX/XXXX in just about any area! > > It really bothers me! > > Any suggestions on how I can actually give them a better idea what it >can > > really do and maybe the chance to atleast give it a try. After all, it's > > 100% free!!! This could save my company, as well as our clients lots of > > money!!! Ahhh, drives me nuts thinking of it... > > > > > Just thought I'd pass on the news that FreeBSD had it's debut and > > >was put into action today where I work. As I said in a previous >email, > > >I installed FreeBSD 3.4 on a Compaq Deskpro 2000 (266mhz) machine the > > >other day and the install went without a hitch. I gave it a dedicated > > >IP address and got an Apache v1.3 web server going and an FTP server. > > >I've been tasked with managing our local intranet and plan on using the > > >FreeBSD machine as a test bed for comparing cost, stability and > > >performance to other web servers on different platforms like NT and > > >OS/400. I think it's already won the cost comparison. I created a >home > > >page and linked it to all of our Lotus Notes databases, that are > > >currently running on an AS/400 (V4R4) Domino Server. I couldn't >believe > > >the difference in speed! Accessing the databases through my Apache > > >server is a lot faster than using the notes client! The pages look a > > >lot better in HTML than the old boring flat database style you see when > > >using the notes client. Anyway, I gave my managers a demonstration and > > >they were pretty impressed. I think this is just the beginning. I > > >don't think I'm going to have a problem of finding ways to justify the > > >use of FreeBSD where I work anymore. FreeBSD rocks!! 8^) > > > > > >Joe > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity, and I'm > > > not sure about the former. > > > -Albert Einstein. > > > 1879-1955. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >-- > > > > > > > > >Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity, and I'm > not sure about the former. > -Albert Einstein. > 1879-1955. > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 18 22:44:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f148.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 64F9137B6D1 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:44:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ntvsunix@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 61135 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jun 2000 05:44:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000619054407.61134.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.53.54.44 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:44:07 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.53.54.44] From: "Some Person" To: hamellr@aracnet.com Cc: jswarner@uswest.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD at work Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:44:07 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Very well said! I much appreciate that and I certainly will do like you said; I was considering trying that approche too. ps: windows 3000 SP17 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That was sooo good man! > > Any suggestions on how I can actually give them a better idea what it >can > > really do and maybe the chance to atleast give it a try. After all, it's > > 100% free!!! This could save my company, as well as our clients lots of > > money!!! Ahhh, drives me nuts thinking of it... > > Yeah, First bring in a machine from home if you can loaded with >FreeBSD first. Load X-Windows, Star Office or Applix and make it look >flashy so that people ask what it is. Once they're aware of it, load Samba >on it and start mapping Windows drives to it. Keep all your inportant >files on it. 'Oh, just a sec, let me go get it off my FreeBSD machine.' >Show people what you've done with it. You'll get a few others interested >in it and together you can slowly get familiar enough with it that someday >someone senior enough can say. 'Well, lets save you $XXXXX amount by using >FreeBSD instead of Windows 3000 Service Pack 17' :) > > > Rick > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 19 9:34:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B92C37B68F for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:34:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 216-164-221-187.s187.tnt4.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.221.187] helo=beefstew) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 1344Uy-0005lb-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:34:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bfda0c$49b49f60$bbdda4d8@beefstew> From: "leegold" Cc: References: <8F68F32EB034D311A4A700508B4417D70267BF88@RATATOSK.sveg.se.sykes.com> Subject: Re: win managers/where's Pine? Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:34:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I tried wxm. talk about clean! ( I think wm2 is even more barebones. ) /stand/sysinstall somewhere durring my playing around also installed some files w/an "ice" prefix (?). But wxm seems "fast" and clean -what I was looking for. I'm going to play w/ this wm. Also where's PINE? The mail manager? Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jukka Similä To: 'leegold' Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 3:25 AM Subject: RE: win managers > > > can anyone recommend a simple and well documented (i need > > more than man > > pages) win manager. > > Well, I think that if you don't want those overwhelmed GUI's then ctwm is > your choice. It's just an extension to twm with better looks. (You can make > it look nicely 3d) > The bad thing in it is that there is only manpage available, but the good > thing is that the man page is pretty complete. I printed manpages for ctwm > to paper when I started to config it and used the default .ctwmrc file as a > base. (I think the default file is at /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/ctwm/system.ctwmrc) > > > > > so far i have tried windowmaker, fvwm2, fvwm95, kde. > > > > i am looking for something simple, w/SUPPORT AND > > DOCUMENTATION, fvwm is ok > > but learning that config file is like learning another hi > > level computer > > language while kde is just plain too much gui for me. > > Another nice thing to try is xfce, thou there isn't any config files you > could modify. You do everything in GUI, but that doesn't matter, as there > isn't so much to change. Xfce has a help button, that will open an HTML page > in netscape, so at least there is some additional info. > > > > > there also has to be intro documentation other than man pages. > > > > any recommendations appreciated. > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 19 12: 0: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E890237BBCE for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:00:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA5499; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:01:33 -0700 Message-ID: <394E6D2C.534F303@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:57:48 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leegold Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: win managers References: <000901bfd8e7$dd6768d0$1ae27ad1@beefstew> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org leegold wrote: > > can anyone recommend a simple and well documented (i need more than man > pages) win manager. > > so far i have tried windowmaker, fvwm2, fvwm95, kde. > > i am looking for something simple, w/SUPPORT AND DOCUMENTATION, fvwm is ok What?! Support AND documentation! You're asking a lot here :-) WindowMaker is easy. It does have good documentation, but it is out of date. However, updated docs are being written as we speak. Informal support is readily available. It is a different way of working from some other window managers, so it may take a bit of getting used to. You might try Enlightenment. It is easy, though somewhat baroque. It has decent docs on the window manager. Although editing the menu is akin to fvwm, it does detect a lot of your installed software, so you don't need to edit it much. A menu editor is in the works. Documentation is the big bugaboo of Open Source. Open Source developers loathe writing documentation, to the point that I actually saw a man page announce "this man page is no longer being maintained, see the info pages", and then the corresponding info page was a copy of the man page! David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 19 12: 9:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail0.mia.bellsouth.net (mail0.mia.bellsouth.net [205.152.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9877137B7D9 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:09:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pineypl@bellsouth.net) Received: from dell450.mcse (adsl-61-16-127.mia.bellsouth.net [208.61.16.127]) by mail0.mia.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with SMTP id PAA18833 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:09:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Collins Organization: Collins To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ld.so and libg++.so.4 errors Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:04:14 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00061915100801.00429@dell450.mcse> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have installed Mozilla on my FBSD box, but am having a trouble with the following. I am using 3.2 stable and the kde. When I try to run Mozilla it does not run. When I check what is happening, the error message is as follows: /usr/libexec/ld.so: warning: /usr/lib/libg++.so.4: minor version -1 older than expected 0, using it anyway ld.so failed: bad magic number in "/usr/lig/libg++.so.4" I understand this is a shared library element, but I am not sure how to update it, nor do I know where to find the update. Can someone explain this? Thanks tons. Bob Collins To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 19 12:21:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail4.lig.bellsouth.net (mail4.lig.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA1837BC28 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:21:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brownicm@prokyon.com) Received: from eileen (adsl-61-148-46.int.bellsouth.net [208.61.148.46]) by mail4.lig.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id PAA05487; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:21:00 -0400 (EDT) From: brownicm@prokyon.com Message-Id: <200006191921.PAA05487@mail4.lig.bellsouth.net> To: Bob Collins , freebsd newbies Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:17:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Dynamic IP and ADSL In-reply-to: <394BFBC1.A63064C@bellsouth.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org run dhclient on your outbound interface 'man dhclient' for more info Chris Browning brownicm@prokyon.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 19 14:50:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uranus.interscope.ro (ns.interscope.ro [193.226.188.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B18037BCFC for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:50:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from KoronkaS@interscope.ro) Received: by URANUS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:01:18 +0300 Message-ID: From: Stefan KORONKA To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: 'leegold' Subject: RE: win managers/where's Pine? Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:01:17 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I tried wxm. talk about clean! ( I think wm2 is even more barebones. ) > /stand/sysinstall somewhere durring my playing around also > installed some > files w/an "ice" prefix (?). > But wxm seems "fast" and clean -what I was looking for. I'm > going to play w/ > this wm. Today I tested mwm (motif - www.openmotif.org). It's clean - maybe too clean :) but I like it. Stefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 19 16:51:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A14237B81B for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:51:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 216-164-221-86.s86.tnt4.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.221.86] helo=beefstew) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 134BK3-0005F6-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:51:19 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bfda49$5c3db940$56dda4d8@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: References: <000901bfd8e7$dd6768d0$1ae27ad1@beefstew> <394E6D2C.534F303@acuson.com> Subject: Re: win managers Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:51:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > WindowMaker is easy. It does have good documentation, but it is out of > date. However, updated docs are being written as we speak. Informal > support is readily available. It is a different way of working from some > other window managers, so it may take a bit of getting used to. tried windowmaker - it's seemed to me "next generation" or rather - sophisticated in the way it operated. some unix gurus at my locale linux group are gung-ho about it, but I haven't taken to it yet. > Documentation is the big bugaboo of Open Source. Open Source developers > loathe writing documentation, to the point that I actually saw a man > page announce "this man page is no longer being maintained, see the info > pages", and then the corresponding info page was a copy of the man page! it would be great if every package could have its own O'reilly book. my big "thing is step bystep instructions. eg. I read the whole chap. in the Complete FreeBSD on PPP. Admittingly, i didn't understand all of it and was still searching for: 1. do this 2. do this 3....ect. Finally I found an inconspicuous how-to on the web that said: replace three fields in ppp.config w/your isp data. then #ppp, then dial papchap - 15 secs i was connected. (the only thing not mentioned was to chmod ppp.config (700) soit's executable). Of course I'm not knocking the deeper understanding afforded by the book. > > > David > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 19 17:28:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cell-works.com (cell-works.com [216.112.245.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 062D437B57F for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:28:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@cell-works.com) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by cell-works.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22171 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:19:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from john@cell-works.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:19:39 -0400 (EDT) From: John Daniel To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Postgres 6.5.2 setting enviroment in fbsd 3.4 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Howdy I been playing with postgres cause I'm trying to learn some sql and i need a database to mess with for giggles now but probably seriously later. as i was going through the instructions to set it up. I came across an instruction to use setenv or LD_LIRARY_PATH to tell the initdb command to where the libraries are kept. I'd really haven't spent much time with shell programming and setting up the enviroment beyond disabling the ctrl+alt+del key combination. Where can I find more info on setting up the enviroment and paths for packages? I'm probably going to go to questions for more specific advice about postgres but I figured I need to do some more reading before I try formulating a more detailed question. TIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hope that after I die, people will say of me : " That guy sure owed me a lot of money." -JH ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 19 21: 2:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E89137B62B for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:02:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p217.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.217]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA143552 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 06:00:33 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA05608 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 05:59:11 GMT (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 05:59:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: New sendmail in 4.0 and dynamic IP... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, maybe somebody is suffering like me, but I replaced thise beast with the old sendmail and the bla.mc from the FAQ. The FAQ about the topic of dear and noble Joerg Wunsch is maybe outdated now. Oh those new antispam techniques....... Anbody has an ideas how to do it, a sample bla.mc like Joergs ? H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 19 21: 2:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253A937B67B for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:02:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p217.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.217]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA143558; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 06:00:35 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA05605; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 05:55:47 GMT (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 05:55:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: leegold Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: win managers In-Reply-To: <000a01bfda49$5c3db940$56dda4d8@beefstew> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > still searching for: 1. do this 2. do this 3....ect. Finally I found an > inconspicuous how-to on the web that said: replace three fields in > ppp.config w/your isp data. then #ppp, then dial papchap - 15 secs i was Thats the way it is !! Dont know if my mail has gone through, but stay with twm, the default thing, and get an option for the xterm into the mousemenu, look for a file called "system.twmrc", copy this to ~/.twmrc and add two lines, see below, marked #########################... # # $XConsortium: system.twmrc /main/9 1996/10/16 16:14:38 kaleb $ # # Default twm configuration file; needs to be kept small to conserve string # space in systems whose compilers don't handle medium-sized strings. # # Sites should tailor this file, providing any extra title buttons, menus, etc. # that may be appropriate for their environment. For example, if most of the # users were accustomed to uwm, the defaults could be set up not to decorate # any windows and to use meta-keys. # NoGrabServer RestartPreviousState DecorateTransients TitleFont "-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*" ResizeFont "-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*" MenuFont "-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*" IconFont "-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-100-*-*-*-*-*-*" IconManagerFont "-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-100-*-*-*" #ClientBorderWidth Color { BorderColor "slategrey" DefaultBackground "rgb:2/a/9" DefaultForeground "gray85" TitleBackground "rgb:2/a/9" TitleForeground "gray85" MenuBackground "rgb:2/a/9" MenuForeground "gray85" MenuTitleBackground "gray70" MenuTitleForeground "rgb:2/a/9" IconBackground "rgb:2/a/9" IconForeground "gray85" IconBorderColor "gray85" IconManagerBackground "rgb:2/a/9" IconManagerForeground "gray85" } # # Define some useful functions for motion-based actions. # MoveDelta 3 Function "move-or-lower" { f.move f.deltastop f.lower } Function "move-or-raise" { f.move f.deltastop f.raise } Function "move-or-iconify" { f.move f.deltastop f.iconify } # # Set some useful bindings. Sort of uwm-ish, sort of simple-button-ish # Button1 = : root : f.menu "defops" Button1 = m : window|icon : f.function "move-or-lower" Button2 = m : window|icon : f.iconify Button3 = m : window|icon : f.function "move-or-raise" Button1 = : title : f.function "move-or-raise" Button2 = : title : f.raiselower Button1 = : icon : f.function "move-or-iconify" Button2 = : icon : f.iconify Button1 = : iconmgr : f.iconify Button2 = : iconmgr : f.iconify # # And a menus with the usual things # menu "defops" { "Twm" f.title ################################################################ "Xterm" f.exec "xterm &" "" f.nop ############################################################### "Iconify" f.iconify "Resize" f.resize "Move" f.move "Raise" f.raise "Lower" f.lower "" f.nop "Focus" f.focus "Unfocus" f.unfocus "Show Iconmgr" f.showiconmgr "Hide Iconmgr" f.hideiconmgr "" f.nop "Kill" f.destroy "Delete" f.delete "" f.nop "Restart" f.restart "Exit" f.quit } To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 19 23: 0:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gw.sttec.yar.ru (gw.sttec.yar.ru [193.233.192.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5335A37BB03 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:00:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bond@gw.sttec.yar.ru) Received: (from bond@localhost) by gw.sttec.yar.ru (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA81484 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:00:10 +0400 (MSD) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:00:10 +0400 From: "Vadim Yu. Vaganov" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Moving to FreeBSD (Advise needed) Message-ID: <20000620100010.A81445@sttec.yar.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello. We are planning to move to FreeBSD from MS Windows 2K, but have some problems. At this time we are using MS Exchange Server 5.5 as mail server and MS Outlook 97/98/2K as mail clients at workstations. This combination supports IMAP protocol with users task requesting, common folders support (made by Visual Basic). Is were any appropriate alternative of this Windows solution on FreeBSD systems? If no, then what painless solution can you offer? At this moment this incompatibility is the last obstacle on our way to FreeBSD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 20 3:37:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uranus.interscope.ro (ns.interscope.ro [193.226.188.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F38037BE25 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 03:37:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from KoronkaS@interscope.ro) Received: by URANUS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:34:21 +0300 Message-ID: From: Stefan KORONKA To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: "'Vadim Yu. Vaganov'" Subject: RE: Moving to FreeBSD (Advise needed) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:34:20 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: Vadim Yu. Vaganov [mailto:bond@sttec.yar.ru] > > We are planning to move to FreeBSD from MS Windows 2K, but have some > problems. > At this time we are using MS Exchange Server 5.5 as mail server and MS > Outlook 97/98/2K > as mail clients at workstations. This combination supports > IMAP protocol > with users task requesting, > common folders support (made by Visual Basic). > Is were any appropriate alternative of this Windows solution > on FreeBSD > systems? > If no, then what painless solution can you offer? > At this moment this incompatibility is the last obstacle on our way to > FreeBSD. > There are IMAP clients available - eg, Netscape Communicator. I tested this combination (bsd+netscape imap/ ms exchage). All folders (including public folders) are visible, as standard messages folders. So, the mails are available 100%, but from folders containing shit like "contacts", "journal" etc you won't get big deal. Btw, if you are planning to move to FreeBSD, why don't you move you mail server too ? Hmm .. as far as I remember, there is an webmail service built into exchange. Did you think about this possibility ? Stefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 20 4: 0:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from style.senet.com.au (style.senet.com.au [203.34.34.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3717137B618 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 04:00:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vnigel@senet.com.au) Received: from localhost (vnigel@localhost) by style.senet.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27365 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:30:36 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: style.senet.com.au: vnigel owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:30:36 +0930 (CST) From: Nigel Soon To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: orb drive Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Howdy, I want to get some sort of portable backup device. I was thinking about getting a orb drive and didn't see anything about it in the hardware compatibility list. I was wondering if anyone has had any problems with them, I am running 4.0 RELEASE. Also, does anyone recommend any particular type of portable storage, I need it for travelling overseas. Thanks, Nigel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 20 8: 7:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF28E37BF8C for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:07:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id LAA23405; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:07:30 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts003d08.mer-id.concentric.net (ts003d08.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.116]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id LAA21448; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:05:04 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: "Vadim Yu. Vaganov" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Moving to FreeBSD (Advise needed) In-Reply-To: <20000620100010.A81445@sttec.yar.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This question is a good candidate to send to: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org ML Duke > Hello. > > We are planning to move to FreeBSD from MS Windows 2K, but have some > problems. > At this time we are using MS Exchange Server 5.5 as mail server and MS > Outlook 97/98/2K > as mail clients at workstations. This combination supports IMAP protocol > with users task requesting, > common folders support (made by Visual Basic). > Is were any appropriate alternative of this Windows solution on FreeBSD > systems? > If no, then what painless solution can you offer? > At this moment this incompatibility is the last obstacle on our way to > FreeBSD. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 20 11: 9:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1698837B536 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:09:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA18B1; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:11:09 -0700 Message-ID: <394FB2D9.67100BB0@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:07:21 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Vadim Yu. Vaganov" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Moving to FreeBSD (Advise needed) References: <20000620100010.A81445@sttec.yar.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Vadim Yu. Vaganov" wrote: . > At this time we are using MS Exchange Server 5.5 as mail server and MS > Outlook 97/98/2K > as mail clients at workstations. This combination supports IMAP protocol > with users task requesting, > common folders support (made by Visual Basic). > Is were any appropriate alternative of this Windows solution on FreeBSD > systems? I am by no means a mail server expert, but I do know that there are a few available that handle IMAP. As for clients, Netscape handles it, as well as other Open Source mail clients. Fetchmail *does* handle IMAP, so you can use just about anything for the client end. Being Open Source software, FreeBSD is ideal for deployment testing. Install it on one machine (printer or file server) to get familiar with it. Then try out different mail servers and clients, as well as other software you may be interested in. If you make a mistake, your users will complain much less if it is the printer server that crashes instead of the firewall or mail server. David Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 20 12:55:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BF837BE0D for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:55:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p72.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.72]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA968170; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:53:54 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA04004; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:22:17 GMT (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:22:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: ML Duke Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing 4.0 over 3.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, I tried it and it goes in theory, see the booklet, users dirs etc are backuped, but you need MUCH space for it, my 30 MB / Partition wasnt enough... On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, ML Duke wrote: > My Unix Mentor, AIX Systems Engineer has about three words > to say about this: > > Don't do it. Well, I learned to love the fixit floppy........ H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 20 16:34:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0550B37BE61 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:34:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p97.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.97]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA653536 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:32:34 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07599 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:59:25 GMT (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:59:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: /etc/mail in 4.0 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Newbies ;-) sendmail.cf used to live in /etc, now it lives in /etc/mail... Well, reading /etc/rc !! Everything works pretty now. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 20 16:34:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F2C37BEB1 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:34:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p97.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.97]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA760922; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:32:44 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA04120; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:15:44 GMT (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:15:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: David Johnson Cc: "Vadim Yu. Vaganov" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Moving to FreeBSD (Advise needed) In-Reply-To: <394FB2D9.67100BB0@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I am by no means a mail server expert, but I do know that there are a > few available that handle IMAP. As for clients, Netscape handles it, as > well as other Open Source mail clients. Fetchmail *does* handle IMAP, so Pine !! Think they invented IMAP. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 21 12: 4:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from netptc.net (mail.netptc.net [209.155.26.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343A137C012 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:04:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crlumber@netptc.net) Received: from oemcomputer [209.155.207.231] by netptc.net (SMTPD32-6.00) id A0C089E0108; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:00:16 -0700 Message-ID: <002701bfdb4e$fce28960$e7cf9bd1@oemcomputer> From: "Crossroads Recycled Lumber" To: Subject: another good newbie site Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:04:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFDB14.4FF442A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFDB14.4FF442A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check out http://www.wiredguide.com. 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------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFDB14.4FF442A0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 21 12:22:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C38937BEF4 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:22:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-228-179.s433.tnt2.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.228.179] helo=beefstew) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 134q58-00072y-00 for newbies@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:22:39 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01bfdbb6$28d45c80$b3e47ad1@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: Subject: how do i add PINE? Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:23:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i found pine on cd#3 it is in .tgz i have very little idea how to add pine. the chap in "Complete freebsd" on adding packages says things like "put it in your source tree" - what's a source tree?ect...so i'm not getting a step-by-step procedure from the book. i have tried untarring/unzipping before and got some strange results - probably because i didn't know what i was doing. so if anybody out there would want to go STEP BY STEP 1.,2.,3.,..and explain how to add PINE. i would appreciate it. Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 21 12:22:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C7FE37BEF4 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:22:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from w.weiland@gmx.de) Received: (qmail 15758 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jun 2000 19:22:51 -0000 Received: from asf-dus176.dusnet.de (HELO gmx.de) (213.61.158.176) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 21 Jun 2000 19:22:51 -0000 Message-ID: <39511517.E617B002@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:18:47 +0200 From: Wolfram Weiland X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Error at burning CDs with burncd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When I try to burn an audio-cd whith burncd, I get everytime the following message: /usr/sound # burncd -f /dev/acd0c -t audio *.wav next writeable LBA 0 writing from file track01.wav size 31984 KB written this track 31986 KB (100%) total 31986 KB acd0: READ_TRACK_INFO - ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=64 ascq=00 error=04 burncd: ioctl(CDRIOCNEXTWRITEABLEADDR): Input/output error acd0: PREVENT_ALLOW - ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=64 ascq=00 error=04 Jun 21 20:58:48 tower /kernel: acd0: READ_TRACK_INFO - ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=64 ascq=00 error=04 Jun 21 20:58:48 tower /kernel: acd0: READ_TRACK_INFO - ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=64 ascq=00 error=04 Jun 21 20:58:48 tower /kernel: acd0: PREVENT_ALLOW - ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=64 ascq=00 error=04 Jun 21 20:58:48 tower /kernel: acd0: PREVENT_ALLOW - ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=64 ascq=00 error=04 This message comes, when I don`t use the option -t (for test). But of cause then the cd is destroyed. I cannot determine the input/output error and ILLEGAL REQUEST. Can somebody help me or tell me another way how to burn with an ATAPI-Burner? Greetings to all FreeBSDer Wolfram To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 21 12:32:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (mail3.aracnet.com [216.99.193.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7204037BFDF for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:32:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29423 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:32:33 -0700 Received: by shell1.aracnet.com (8.9.3) id MAA23111; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:32:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:32:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hamell Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: another good newbie site In-Reply-To: <002701bfdb4e$fce28960$e7cf9bd1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Check out http://www.wiredguide.com. I found it very useful. WOW! Extremely newbie... to bad they seem to assume you'll be using Microsoft Products. Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 21 12:34:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from musrvr2.ummu.umich.edu (musrvr2.ummu.umich.edu [141.213.37.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D14337B951 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:34:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nlevitt@umich.edu) Received: from bloater.ummu.umich.edu (root@bloater.ummu.umich.edu [141.213.35.41]) by musrvr2.ummu.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA29361; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (nlevitt@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bloater.ummu.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA02652; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:34:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Noah Abraham Levitt X-Sender: nlevitt@bloater.ummu.umich.edu To: leegold Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how do i add PINE? In-Reply-To: <002b01bfdbb6$28d45c80$b3e47ad1@beefstew> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, if it's a freebsd package compiled for your architecture, you can probably just run # pkg_add pine-whatever.tgz If it's tarred and gzipped source, you should unzip and untar it to your temp directory. CD to the subdir it makes, and read the "INSTALL" file if there is one, or the README. Often, the procedure for installing something from the source is to execute these commands: # ./configure # make # make install Noah On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, leegold wrote: > i found pine on cd#3 it is in .tgz i have very little idea how to add pine. > the chap in "Complete freebsd" on adding packages says things like "put it > in your source tree" - what's a source tree?ect...so i'm not getting a > step-by-step procedure from the book. > > i have tried untarring/unzipping before and got some strange results - > probably because i didn't know what i was doing. > > so if anybody out there would want to go STEP BY STEP 1.,2.,3.,..and explain > how to add PINE. i would appreciate it. Thanks > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 21 12:35:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (mail3.aracnet.com [216.99.193.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2ACC37B951 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:35:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29960; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:35:50 -0700 Received: by shell1.aracnet.com (8.9.3) id MAA23606; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:35:43 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:35:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hamell To: leegold Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how do i add PINE? In-Reply-To: <002b01bfdbb6$28d45c80$b3e47ad1@beefstew> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > so if anybody out there would want to go STEP BY STEP 1.,2.,3.,..and explain > how to add PINE. i would appreciate it. Thanks First off questions need to be in -questions, that's what it's for... :) 2nd, you might try /usr/ports/mail/pine/make install Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 21 12:39:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (mail1.toronto.istar.net [209.89.75.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172B737B51A for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:39:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from genisis@istar.ca) Received: from ip219.kingston.dialup.canada.psi.net ([154.5.64.219]) by mail1.toronto.istar.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 134qMC-0004OI-00; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:40:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:42:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Dru To: leegold Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how do i add PINE? In-Reply-To: <002b01bfdbb6$28d45c80$b3e47ad1@beefstew> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, leegold wrote: > i found pine on cd#3 it is in .tgz i have very little idea how to add pine. > the chap in "Complete freebsd" on adding packages says things like "put it > in your source tree" - what's a source tree?ect...so i'm not getting a > step-by-step procedure from the book. > > i have tried untarring/unzipping before and got some strange results - > probably because i didn't know what i was doing. > > so if anybody out there would want to go STEP BY STEP 1.,2.,3.,..and explain > how to add PINE. i would appreciate it. Thanks If the file ends in *.tgz, it is a package. One way to add a package is with the pkg_add command. Assuming you are root and your CDROM is mounted on /cdrom, try this: cd /cdrom ls I don't have CD #3, so if the pine package is in a subdirectory, you'll have to cd to it. pkg_add pine* It should do its thing and give you your prompt back when it is finished. Then: whereis pine to find out where it put it. It's even easier to build packages from /stand/sysinstall. As root: /stand/sysinstall Configure Packages CDROM Wait for the Index to load and then browse for what you want. Use your space bar to select the packages you want, then arrow over to Install when you're ready. It'll give you a list of what you've chosen which you can press OK to. /stand/sysinstall is nicer as it updates your path statement so you don't have to hunt for the package once it's installed. If you have problems, record the error messages to send back to the list. Dru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 21 13:56: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sentry.granch.ru (sentry.granch.ru [212.20.5.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8670E37B5E8 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:55:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shelton@sentry.granch.ru) Received: (from shelton@localhost) by sentry.granch.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01779 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 03:56:09 +0700 (NOVST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 03:56:09 +0700 (NOVST) Reply-To: "Rashid N. Achilov" Organization: Granch Ltd. From: "Rashid N. Achilov" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: How can I setup static routes? Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How can I setup static routes through "static_routes" variable from rc.conf? -- With Best Regards. Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Cert. ID: 28514, Granch Ltd. lead engineer e-mail: achilov@granch.ru, tel (383-2) 24-2363 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 21 14:36:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7371737B788 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:36:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA7067; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:37:49 -0700 Message-ID: <395134C7.F6DA7684@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:33:59 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leegold Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: how do i add PINE? References: <002b01bfdbb6$28d45c80$b3e47ad1@beefstew> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org leegold wrote: > so if anybody out there would want to go STEP BY STEP 1.,2.,3.,..and explain > how to add PINE. i would appreciate it. Thanks One simple way: Put in CD#3, but don't mount it. As root, type /stand/sysinstall configPackages Browse through the menu till you find pine and select it. Hit return and choose install. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 21 17:13: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D413D37BA63 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:13:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 216-164-220-18.s18.tnt5.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.220.18] helo=beefstew) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 134uc4-0003nQ-00 for newbies@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:12:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bfdbde$b66e0730$12dca4d8@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: Subject: music cds Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:13:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org blatently disregarding that i should not ask howto questions in the newbies maillist, but i find that i get my best support is from the people in the newbies group. i wish there was pay for phone support - i would pay for it. Isn't that crazy? Getting the cd to play music: "Complete FreeBSD" has no step by step procedure to do this. Could any one help me - or follow me to the questions list and i'll ask there. Could someone at least tell me the questions to ask. dmesg command cites my integrated AC97 sound chip ( on my Abit VA6 mother board ), so i know FreeBSD sees the the soundchip. i have installed xcdplayer - but don't know if that was a good choice - it's man page says xcdplayer is for sgi and sun cd players - what's that mean? - it won't work w/ide cd players? i have no idea how to get my cd player playing music cds. previous question on the newsgroup have cited that i must recompile my kernel first - why? FreeBSD sees the sound chip. i think i need pca driver? not sure. thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 21 17:30:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0883237C0EF for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:30:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA5371; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:31:59 -0700 Message-ID: <39515D98.A891F108@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:28:08 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leegold Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: music cds References: <000701bfdbde$b66e0730$12dca4d8@beefstew> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org leegold wrote: > i have no idea how to get my cd player playing music cds. previous question > on the newsgroup have cited that i must recompile my kernel first - why? > FreeBSD sees the sound chip. i think i need pca driver? not sure. The first step is making sure you have some sort of sound, you can worry about the cd player later (xcdplayer should work). Have you make the sound devices? If not, do a 'sh /dev/MAKEDEV snd0'. Can you hear anything? Install a simple wav player and play a wav file (copy one from windoze to a floppy). Once you know you can hear sound, move on the cd players. Most players do not want the cd mounted, but a few do (xmms does). So try playing the cd both mounted and unmounted. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 21 17:56:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (mail3.aracnet.com [216.99.193.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83FEC37BF17 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:56:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18342; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:56:54 -0700 Received: by shell1.aracnet.com (8.9.3) id RAA04955; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:56:48 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:56:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hamell To: leegold Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: music cds In-Reply-To: <000701bfdbde$b66e0730$12dca4d8@beefstew> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > blatently disregarding that i should not ask howto questions in the newbies > maillist, but i find that i get my best support is from the people in the > newbies group. i wish there was pay for phone support - i would pay for it. > Isn't that crazy? http://www.freebsdmall.com has just that. :) The reason why you don't ask questions in newbies is for just that reason, one of us could accidently give you the wrong answer hosing your whole machine. For home machines that's not a big deal, but what if it's your companies mail server? Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 21 18:12:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D9037BC60 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:12:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id VAA21971; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:12:10 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts006d25.mer-id.concentric.net (ts006d25.mer-id.concentric.net [208.177.68.37]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id VAA14678; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:09:32 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: David Johnson Cc: leegold , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how do i add PINE? In-Reply-To: <395134C7.F6DA7684@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > leegold wrote: > > > so if anybody out there would want to go STEP BY STEP 1.,2.,3.,..and explain > > how to add PINE. i would appreciate it. Thanks Another way: Connect to your ISP cd /usr/ports/mail/pine4 make When finished: make install When finished: make clean ML Duke > One simple way: > > Put in CD#3, but don't mount it. > As root, type /stand/sysinstall configPackages > Browse through the menu till you find pine and select it. Hit return and > choose install. > > David > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 21 23:49:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58EEC37B964 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:49:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p228.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.228]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA60366 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:47:44 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00388 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:45:56 GMT (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:45:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Staroffice 3.1 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wasnt on the CD, a link in "editors" to nothing, but on the friendly ftp server. Took me hours to download those nearly 30 MB. Pkg_add, but it doesnt install. Same problem like with 3.1 and the linux_base 5.1: the install script of the wordprocessor doesnt work. Does anybody know a workaround ? Maybe its wrong, but I think, all I need is a file called ~/.sd.sh, that is constructed during the install. Yes, I know, there is allready 5.1 and even 5.2..but I dont have the space. Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 21 23:49:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F38D37BDC4 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:49:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p228.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.228]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA60370 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:47:47 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00343 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:07:40 GMT (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:07:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: /etc/hosts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wanted to tell you about the strange things, that can happen when you forget the hostname etc next to localhost in /etc/host, tin didnt work anymore, had to put the domain "invalid" into /etc/resolv.conf, but on the live filesystem in FBSD 4.0 Cd 2, I see something, that I had overlooked before and cant find in man hosts: # This file should contain the addresses and aliases # for local hosts that share this file. # # 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.my.domain myname.my.domain Well, this is important: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Dont know what this is good for: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Anyway: ::1 localhost localhost.my.domain myname.my.domain ^^^ What is this ??? "::1", never seen it, is it DNS Syntax ? H. PS.: I have dynamic IP... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 22 0:35:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D429337BA9F for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:35:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p198.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.198]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA83268; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:33:49 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00414; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:56:50 GMT (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:56:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: David Johnson Cc: leegold , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: music cds In-Reply-To: <39515D98.A891F108@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > i have no idea how to get my cd player playing music cds. previous question > > on the newsgroup have cited that i must recompile my kernel first - why? > > FreeBSD sees the sound chip. i think i need pca driver? not sure. > > The first step is making sure you have some sort of sound, you can worry > about the cd player later (xcdplayer should work). Or cdplay or, I learned to love it, cdcontrol, which is allready installed on your system. > > Have you make the sound devices? If not, do a 'sh /dev/MAKEDEV snd0'. > Can you hear anything? Install a simple wav player and play a wav file > (copy one from windoze to a floppy). Well, you dont need a soundcard for audio CDs at all ;-) Just plug your Hifi or headphones into the audio jack of the CD Rom drive, its outside. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 22 1:45:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rmx306-mta.mail.com (rmx306-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.168]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9634A37B87F; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:45:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chat@soon.com) Received: from web538-mc.mail.com (web538-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.172]) by rmx306-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA07744; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 04:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <380215349.961663525330.JavaMail.root@web538-mc.mail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 04:45:25 -0400 (EDT) From: chat room To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PCMCIA DISTRESS Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-WM-FaxTo: X-Originating-IP: 203.117.33.25 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org PCMCIA DISTRESS Hello, anyone try running release 4.0 w/o PAO on a notebook? Kindly help me out step by step on how to get the pcmcia modem working. Thanks ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 22 1:45:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rmx306-mta.mail.com (rmx306-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.168]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9634A37B87F; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:45:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chat@soon.com) Received: from web538-mc.mail.com (web538-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.172]) by rmx306-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA07744; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 04:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <380215349.961663525330.JavaMail.root@web538-mc.mail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 04:45:25 -0400 (EDT) From: chat room To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PCMCIA DISTRESS Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-WM-FaxTo: X-Originating-IP: 203.117.33.25 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org PCMCIA DISTRESS Hello, anyone try running release 4.0 w/o PAO on a notebook? Kindly help me out step by step on how to get the pcmcia modem working. Thanks ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 22 6:28:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7490F37C2AC for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:28:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 76541 invoked by alias); 22 Jun 2000 12:43:31 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 91606 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jun 2000 12:21:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.106.126) by mail.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 20 Jun 2000 12:21:54 -0000 Message-ID: <394F6108.5A0C0808@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 06:18:16 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd newbies Subject: NFS vs Samba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What's better for file sharing across a network? NFS or Samba? ...Just curious. Thanks. Joe -- ====================== FreeBSD = The Power to Serve Simply put: FreeBSD Rocks! =================== Joe Warner Sr. Operations Technical Analyst Shared Medical Systems Corp. joe.warner@smed.com jswarner@uswest.net ================ ============ ======= === To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 22 8: 7:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B84BD37B8F1 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:07:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 82395 invoked by alias); 22 Jun 2000 14:01:03 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 17996 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jun 2000 03:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.105.251) by mail.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 21 Jun 2000 03:59:20 -0000 Message-ID: <39503CC0.66F83861@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:55:44 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd newbies Subject: NFS vs Samba Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------20080E7F0D9593EFB92FDDD3" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------20080E7F0D9593EFB92FDDD3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What's better for file sharing across a network? NFS or Samba? ...Just curious. Thanks. Joe -- ====================== FreeBSD = The Power to Serve Simply put: FreeBSD Rocks! =================== Joe Warner Sr. Operations Technical Analyst Shared Medical Systems Corp. joe.warner@smed.com jswarner@uswest.net ================ ============ ======= === --------------20080E7F0D9593EFB92FDDD3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
What's better for file sharing across a network?  NFS or Samba?  ...Just
curious.  Thanks.

Joe
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                                                                                          Joe Warner
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                                                                           Shared Medical Systems Corp.

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--------------20080E7F0D9593EFB92FDDD3-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 22 8:12: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from morpheus.skynet.be (morpheus.skynet.be [195.238.2.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0C437C31D for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:12:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bart.lateur@skynet.be) Received: from dialup683.gent.skynet.be (dialup683.gent.skynet.be [194.78.243.107]) by morpheus.skynet.be (Postfix) with SMTP id EA743DBB5 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:12:02 +0200 (MET DST) From: bart.lateur@skynet.be (Bart Lateur) To: freebsd newbies Subject: Re: NFS vs Samba Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:02:48 GMT Organization: MediaMind Message-ID: <39552a2f.1060491@relay.skynet.be> References: <394F6108.5A0C0808@uswest.net> In-Reply-To: <394F6108.5A0C0808@uswest.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 06:18:16 -0600, Joe Warner wrote: >What's better for file sharing across a network? NFS or Samba? ...Just >curious. Thanks. Samba is specifically intended for PC clients, NFS for Unix. You need an extension to access NFS from a Windows PC, and they are not really cheap (TuCows has a few). -- Bart. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 22 8:19:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5826A37BCB2 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:19:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id LAA23870; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:19:44 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts003d37.mer-id.concentric.net (ts003d37.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.145]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id LAA20844; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:17:20 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: Heiko Recktenwald Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Staroffice 3.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmmm. Seems there were a few complications, but I had StarOffice up and running maybe a couple years ago--and I found it a bloated and clunky version of $msword with help files in German. I personally recommend Corel WP which you can get for free as well. It runs in X (of course) and requires the Linux libraries. With this, I've been creating and exchanging compatible documents with clients all over as it converts to word 6.0/7.0 (among a slug of other formats) quite easily. I bought the registered version ($50) for the extra features and manual (which turned out to stink). ML Duke On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > Wasnt on the CD, a link in "editors" to nothing, but on the friendly ftp > server. Took me hours to download those nearly 30 MB. Pkg_add, but it > doesnt install. Same problem like with 3.1 and the linux_base 5.1: the > install script of the wordprocessor doesnt work. Does anybody know a > workaround ? Maybe its wrong, but I think, all I need is a file called > ~/.sd.sh, that is constructed during the install. > > Yes, I know, there is allready 5.1 and even 5.2..but I dont have the > space. > > Heiko > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 22 8:29: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B881137BACB for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:29:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 16254 invoked by alias); 22 Jun 2000 14:13:40 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 18409 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jun 2000 04:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.105.251) by mail.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 21 Jun 2000 04:00:24 -0000 Message-ID: <39503CFD.DD647C03@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:56:45 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd newbies Subject: Backup Methods Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F56969371C57E2E551F96368" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------F56969371C57E2E551F96368 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now that I have FreeBSD 3.4 up and running and have sucessfully compiled the kernel, I need to find a way to get a good backup of my system. So far, I've only found limited information on this topic in the Handbook and The Complete FreeBSD. I don't have a tape drive hooked up to my PC. I could probably get one but that would entail a lot of work. I'd have to locate and install a SCSI card for it, recompile the kernal and complete the rest of the configuration so that the drive would be recognized. We have some 3480, 3490 and 3570 drives in our data center that are hooked up to the network. Could I use dump or tar to do a backup directly to one of these drives. I know I can also backup to a file. Could I backup to a file and then use NFS or Samba to copy it to a directory on one of our NT servers and then possibly, back down to one of the tape drives? There seem to be several options for doing backups and I'm just trying to find the best one. Any info on this would be appreciated. Thanks. Joe -- ====================== FreeBSD = The Power to Serve Simply put: FreeBSD Rocks! =================== Joe Warner Sr. Operations Technical Analyst Shared Medical Systems Corp. joe.warner@smed.com jswarner@uswest.net ================ ============ ======= === --------------F56969371C57E2E551F96368 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

    Now that I have FreeBSD 3.4 up and running and have sucessfully
compiled the kernel, I need to find a way to get a good backup of my
system.  So far, I've only found limited information on this topic in
the Handbook and The Complete FreeBSD.  I don't have a tape drive hooked
up to my PC.  I could probably get one but that would entail a lot of
work.  I'd have to locate and install a SCSI card for it, recompile the
kernal and complete the rest of the configuration so that the drive
would be recognized.  We have some 3480, 3490 and 3570 drives in our
data center that are hooked up to the network.  Could I use dump or tar
to do a backup directly to one of these drives.  I know I can also
backup to a file.  Could I backup to a file and then use NFS or Samba to
copy it to a directory on one of our NT servers and then possibly, back
down to one of the tape drives?  There seem to be several options for
doing backups and I'm just trying to find the best one.  Any info on
this would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Joe

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                                                                          FreeBSD = The Power to Serve
                                                                             Simply put: FreeBSD Rocks!
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                                                                                          Joe Warner
                                                                         Sr. Operations Technical Analyst
                                                                           Shared Medical Systems Corp.

                                                                                 joe.warner@smed.com
                                                                                  jswarner@uswest.net
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--------------F56969371C57E2E551F96368-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 22 8:44:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8456637B5EE for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:44:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 48821 invoked by alias); 22 Jun 2000 14:25:34 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 98051 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jun 2000 12:47:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.106.126) by mail.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 20 Jun 2000 12:47:19 -0000 Message-ID: <394F66FD.CAE39D1B@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 06:43:41 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd newbies Subject: Backup Methods Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Now that I have FreeBSD 3.4 up and running and have sucessfully compiled the kernel, I need to find a way to get a good backup of my system. So far, I've only found limited information on this topic in the Handbook and The Complete FreeBSD. I don't have a tape drive hooked up to my PC. I could probably get one but that would entail a lot of work. I'd have to locate and install a SCSI card for it, recompile the kernal and complete the rest of the configuration so that the drive would be recognized. We have some 3480, 3490 and 3570 drives in our data center that are hooked up to the network. Could I use dump or tar to do a backup directly to one of these drives. I know I can also backup to a file. Could I backup to a file and then use NFS or Samba to copy it to a directory on one of our NT servers and then possibly, back down to one of the tape drives? There seem to be several options for doing backups and I'm just trying to find the best one. Any info on this would be appreciated. Thanks. Joe -- ====================== FreeBSD = The Power to Serve Simply put: FreeBSD Rocks! =================== Joe Warner Sr. Operations Technical Analyst Shared Medical Systems Corp. joe.warner@smed.com jswarner@uswest.net ================ ============ ======= === To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 22 10:34:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E061F37C32E for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:34:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p107.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.107]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31452; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:32:31 +0200 Received: from moritz (moritz [10.0.0.4]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05750; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:06:43 GMT (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:06:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: ML Duke Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Staroffice 3.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, I speak german ;-) > It runs in X (of course) and requires the Linux libraries. With this, > I've been creating and exchanging compatible documents with clients > all over as it converts to word 6.0/7.0 (among a slug of other Think Staroffice can only read those. Thanks ! 50 or 70 MB or so ? ;-) All I need is a word processor, as you describe it. No "Office Suite"... Somebody should develop some package with just this. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 22 14:25:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646F837BEDF for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:25:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p154.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.154]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA73130; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:24:13 +0200 Received: from moritz (moritz [10.0.0.4]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10466; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:22:03 GMT (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:22:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: ML Duke Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Staroffice 3.1 vs Word Perfect In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There is some german in this word processor too "Grammatik". Yeah, thanks for this tip. Clean etc. Dont know what I miss, but I dont need more. > > It runs in X (of course) and requires the Linux libraries. With this, > > I've been creating and exchanging compatible documents with clients > > all over as it converts to word 6.0/7.0 (among a slug of other Its faster, they say, etc pp. Things can be saved in postscript, and then be printed with the usual ghostscript setup from the handbook, maybe that is also "Standard Printer". Havent found footnotes etc, but I would be surprised, if this wouldnt be possible. Cool ! Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 22 14:27:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (gargoyle-xl0.apana.org.au [210.215.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35A637B60A for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:27:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29919; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:27:21 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "ROADRUNNER" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdL29917; Fri Jun 23 07:27:20 2000 Message-ID: <00cb01bfdc90$e386b200$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> From: "Doug Young" To: "Heiko Recktenwald" , "ML Duke" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Staroffice 3.1 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:29:00 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been using StarOffice 5.1 in Solaris & Windows for some time & never had any serious complaints with it. I figure the main thing many geeks really hate about it is that it uses those dreadful Microsoft formats by default rather than some other weird thing that nobody on planet earth has ever heard of :). Its far more compact than either Office 97 or Office 2000, although size hasn't ever been much of an issue for me anyway. Dunno about version 3.1 / linux / FreeBSD though ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heiko Recktenwald" To: "ML Duke" Cc: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 5:06 AM Subject: Re: Staroffice 3.1 > Well, I speak german ;-) > > > It runs in X (of course) and requires the Linux libraries. With this, > > I've been creating and exchanging compatible documents with clients > > all over as it converts to word 6.0/7.0 (among a slug of other > > Think Staroffice can only read those. Thanks ! > > 50 or 70 MB or so ? ;-) > > All I need is a word processor, as you describe it. No "Office Suite"... > > Somebody should develop some package with just this. > > H. > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 22 14:33:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bryden.apana.org.au (bryden.apana.org.au [203.3.126.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449F837BE81 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:33:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@bryden.apana.org.au) Received: from ROADRUNNER (roadrunner.apana.org.au [203.3.126.132]) by bryden.apana.org.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA04302 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:36:19 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@bryden.apana.org.au) Message-ID: <00e101bfdc91$b99b3af0$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> From: "Doug Young" To: Subject: 4.0 RELEASE with DPT host adaptor Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:34:54 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I asked this in -questions & perused the mailing list archives without finding anything helpful, so maybe someone here has some ideas. I've been trying to find a way to install in an AST SE 4/50d thats all SCSI (hard drives / CD-ROM / WangDAT). I know the default kernel doesn't have DPT support, but this card is listed in the generic kernel config file, so obviously there's meant to be some sort of support. The question however is how does one install in the first place so there's kernel source available to edit ?? ..... or alternatively how does one make a custom boot floppy ?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 22 14:51: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D7A637B6EA for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:51:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id RAA10194; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:51:02 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts004d21.mer-id.concentric.net (ts004d21.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.177]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id RAA27564; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:48:38 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: Heiko Recktenwald Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Staroffice 3.1 vs Word Perfect In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Its faster, they say, etc pp. No comparison. Running with 3.2 on the IBM SCSI w/Ultra Wide Controller and a 350 chip--it's instantaneous. On the IDE where it resides now (Too lazy to install on the new SCSI to date) Corel 8.0 is not so much slower compared to the SCSI that it really counts for much. Oh. I'm running 64Meg Ram w/250 /swap or so. Word to the wise: When installing Corel WP 8.0, do so in _graphic_ mode _only_. The command line/text install script was written by idiots. ML Duke Things can be saved in postscript, and then > be printed with the usual ghostscript setup from the handbook, maybe that > is also "Standard Printer". Havent found footnotes etc, but I would be > surprised, if this wouldnt be possible. Cool ! > > Heiko > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 22 16:46: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (law-f160.hotmail.com [209.185.131.223]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7782E37B765 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:46:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ronnetron@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 14831 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jun 2000 23:46:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20000622234605.14830.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.203.116.218 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:46:05 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.203.116.218] From: "Ron Smith" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Startup file Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:46:05 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, Does anyone know which file FreeBSD uses as it's startup file for the services you want to run at bootup? Ron Smith ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 22 16:55:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.telestream.com (mail.telestream.com [205.238.4.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43FD37B684; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:55:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keith@mail.telestream.com) Received: from localhost (keith@localhost) by mail.telestream.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32760; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:55:28 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:55:28 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Ron Smith Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Startup file In-Reply-To: <20000622234605.14830.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Put a start up script into /usr/local/etc/rc.d Some services can be started via /etc/rc.conf. Keith ================================= Keith W. At the helm ================================= On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Ron Smith wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know which file FreeBSD uses as it's startup file for the > services you want to run at bootup? > > Ron Smith > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 22 18:33:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.alpha.net.au (mail2.alpha.net.au [203.41.44.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E561337B51A; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:33:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyh@idx.com.au) Received: from dannyh.freebsd.org (surry-pool-164.alpha.net.au [203.41.44.164] (may be forged)) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA02734; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:34:54 +1000 From: Danny To: "Ron Smith" , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Startup file Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:41:26 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000622234605.14830.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00062411423301.00461@dannyh.freebsd.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -Hello -Try /usr/local/etc/rc.d -Then vi sysprogs.sh type in #!/bin/sh /usr/local/whatever/sysprogs/bin/startwhatever Exit from pico then - chmod 755 sysprogs.sh On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Ron Smith wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know which file FreeBSD uses as it's startup file for the > services you want to run at bootup? > > Ron Smith > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 22 20:38:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tomts2-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts2.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1EDE37B823 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:38:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from j.telford@sympatico.ca) Received: from johnnyb ([64.228.13.110]) by tomts2-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000623033827.TTFS19472.tomts2-srv.bellnexxia.net@johnnyb>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:38:27 -0400 Message-ID: <008601bfdcc4$12c27da0$6e0de440@johnnyb> From: "John Telford" To: , "Chad Day" , "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" References: <3936C217.C615F2CD@malf.net> Subject: Re: System intrusion Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:35:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just gave my ISP an APC Masterswitch wich will allow us to power down or cold start a hung (or in Doug's case a box under attack) my colocated boxes remotely. Worth the $600.00 I think, of course we have to hope the Masterswitch doesn't get hacked :) John. ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug King To: Chad Day ; 'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org' Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 4:05 PM Subject: Re: System intrusion > Hi Chad, > > It's not real clear about just who has jurisdiction... certainly, the > FBI does, since this guy probably used a "means of interstate commerce" > to hack you... even if he actually came from "next door". The problem is > that if it's a "common hack" with less than $50,000 damage, they're not > going to be interested. (Exception... if there is evidence that you were > hacked to stifle speech (in other words, an act of "Cyber-terrorism"), > they'll be less interested in the amount of damage, and more interested > in the *kind* of speech that was being attacked (the more "politically > correct", the better.) > > Your local police *also* have jurisdiction, as well as the police where > the hacker lives. In this case, your locals might be interested, but > they are likely not terribly technologically sophisticated... so they'll > likely want to see "physical evidence"(like fingerprints, dna samples, > and pry-bar marks on the covers of your computer), since that is what > they DO understand. > > The locals where the hacker lives will only be interested if they can > catch the hacker while he is in the process of hacking you > > BTW... my credentials for commenting... I'm the "tech admin" that is > referenced in this Salon article: > http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/1999/05/26/guns_veggies/index.html > > The hacker in that case used a qpopper exploit to gain root access... > which we detected almost instantly... > > Then, (s)he changed the root password and started destroying stuff. We > tried to intervene > > ...but unfortunately, the machine was collocated, and we couldn't get > the co-lo facilities manager to pull the plug on the box before the > hacker executed a "rm -rf /*"... almost an hour after we asked that the > machine be unplugged. sigh... > > To the best of my knowledge, the FBI is still pursuing that case, albeit > not very vigorously... Last I heard, they had served a search warrant on > the gun site and found lot's of vailed threats against the Nelsons, but > nothing (directly) linking the site to the Vegsource hack. > > Hope this (not very encouraging) story helps... > > Doug King > > Chad Day wrote: > > > > It appears that one of the users on my system either had a password stolen, > > or gave it out. This was an account shared by several users to allow > > uploading of files to a particular directory. > > > > Some malicious user got a hold of this, either from another user, or cracked > > it. He then accessed my box and proceeded to delete files from the > > directory, along with creating a directory saying something like "TMaN > > hacked this". > > > > All I have logwise that I can see is his connection in the wtmp file, and > > when the directory was created which matches that time. I don't know where > > to look for any more details. ftpd was started up with the -l flag, but > > there's no syslog file or ftp.log file. > > > > I have his IP address he's accessing from (he's coming from aol) and the > > times of access.. he's been logging back in over the past couple days, I've > > changed the account password to shut him out, no other successful > > connections. The group that user was in only had rights to that directory, > > so I'm not too concerned about anything else being compromised, but I am > > keeping an eye out for it. > > > > My question is: what can I do? Should I contact the FBI? (if so, if > > anyone knows how to go about this best who has had prior experience, I would > > appreciate information) Contact AOL (which seems to be a waste of time)? > > > > I highly suspect that is the right IP address too - we run an IRC channel > > related to the webpage, and he has repeatedly evaded bans with that AOL > > account.. he's not really smart enough to know how to go about cloaking > > himself. > > > > Chad Day > > Beach Associates > > > > When I speak german... I think german in my head... but like...Do skript > > kiddies see a w40l3 8uncha 1's and 0's and 3's and 4's and 7's in their > > h34d'5 w43n t43y R +a1k1n6 ? -- SirStanley > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 1:28:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from c004.sfo.cp.net (c004-h004.c004.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3FB8F37B8C6 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:28:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ampy@techemail.com) Received: (cpmta 14759 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2000 01:28:17 -0700 Date: 23 Jun 2000 01:28:17 -0700 Message-ID: <20000623082817.14758.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 23 Jun 2000 08:28:17 GMT Received: from [212.16.193.145] by mail.techemail.com with HTTP; 23 Jun 2000 01:28:17 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Arseny Slobodjuck X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.3.1 Subject: Two (or even more) SCSI CD-ROMs simultaneosly Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm trying to install two CD-ROMs on FreeBSD. On boot time system prints messages about 'cd0 at ahc0 bus0' etc and 'cd1 at ...'. Then i would like to mount both that devices, but have only /dev/cd0a and /dev/cd0c. I tried MAKEDEV cd1, but it works quietly ant nothing happens. How can I make /dev/cd1a ? Thanks. _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 1:47:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5675D37C0FF for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:47:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 135P72-0004ot-00; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:46:56 +0200 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:46:56 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Arseny Slobodjuck Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Two (or even more) SCSI CD-ROMs simultaneosly Message-ID: <20000623104655.A18496@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <20000623082817.14758.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000623082817.14758.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net>; from ampy@techemail.com on Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 01:28:17AM -0700 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri 2000-06-23 (01:28), Arseny Slobodjuck wrote: > but have only /dev/cd0a and /dev/cd0c. I tried > MAKEDEV cd1, but it works quietly ant nothing > happens. How can I make /dev/cd1a ? try MAKEDEV cd5, which might make 5 cd devices. There are some MAKEDEV entires like that. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 4:28:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0632737B959 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 04:28:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p252.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.252]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA98508; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:27:05 +0200 Received: from moritz (moritz [10.0.0.4]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00424; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:53:04 GMT (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:53:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Doug Young Cc: ML Duke , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Staroffice 3.1 In-Reply-To: <00cb01bfdc90$e386b200$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > me anyway. Dunno about version 3.1 / linux / FreeBSD though It doesnt install. WP comes as a *tar file, you untar it and you get some ?_??? files, a Reame and a Runme, that works. Its around 24 MB big, thats ok for download, well 1 and a half hour.... And the history of word processors..first there was wordstar, then came the other two, word and wordperfect. It looks better than Word, and it works, thats ok. Had Word for Windows....maybe I should try staroffice for windows too. Wordperfect was allways rather popular, I think in the american academic community more than Word. As I remember from some doctors. But they had the non x version, which isnt free. (And complicated..) Best, H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 6:48:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from coimbra.oss.uswest.net (coimbra.oss.uswest.net [209.180.20.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4DF337C235 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 06:48:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nitebirdz@uswest.net) Received: from localhost (IDENT:nitebirdz@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coimbra.oss.uswest.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08341; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:50:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:50:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Nitebirdz X-Sender: nitebirdz@coimbra.oss.uswest.net To: Joe Warner Cc: freebsd newbies Subject: Re: NFS vs Samba In-Reply-To: <39503CC0.66F83861@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Joe Warner wrote: > What's better for file sharing across a network? NFS or Samba? ...Just > > curious. Thanks. > It depends on your network. Samba is ideal if Windows clients need to access files and printing services in your UNIX servers. On the other hand, if you work in an all-UNIX shop (lucky you!), then NFS would obviously be the way to go. I believe it is also possible to get some NFS clients for Windows, but I'm not sure any of them is free. Also heard that Win2K may have it installed by default, but don't quote me on this. ------------------------------ Nitebirdz http://www.linuxnovice.org Tips, articles, news, links... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 8:27:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419CF37B8C1; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:27:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Joe.Warner@smed.com) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFCB16195; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05134; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:27:22 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:27:13 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256907.0054D917 ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:26:45 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-Id: <85256907.0054D783.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:28:12 -0600 Subject: Some questions re: FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I hope I'm sending this to the correct mailing lists. Please forgive me if I am not. I have a couple of questions regarding FreeBSD that I hope someone will help me address. After recently installing FreeBSD on a Compaq Deskpro 2000 at work and setting it up with various applications and servers, Apache and FTP to name a couple, I've had the opportunity to demonstrate to others that I work with a small portion of the vast amount of things this powerful operating system can do. The response has been tremendous and also, a little overwhelming. Most of my co-workers think it's awesome. They couldn't believe all the functionality built into FreeBSD and the huge number of applications that come with the CD ROM set. They also were surprised to learn that you can download the OS and most of the applications for free. Here's where I'm having some trouble --- Some of the most frequent questions I'm getting are: "If you can do all this with FreeBSD and get everything for free, why isn't everybody using it?" Another one is: "This is an excellent OS but if people can get it for free, how do the people that produce it make any money?" or.."How can they produce such an excellent product and support it without any profits?" I'm having trouble addressing these questions because my understanding of the current Open Source Movement is a bit limited and the topic seems fairly complex to me. I would be so grateful if someone could help me provide some good answers to these questions or point me to a related site? Thanks. Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 10:52:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7A737C3CB; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:52:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA3D14; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:53:56 -0700 Message-ID: <3953A34F.F9ED6D89@acuson.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:50:07 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe.Warner@smed.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some questions re: FreeBSD References: <85256907.0054D783.00@Deimos.smed.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe.Warner@smed.com wrote: > "If you can do all this with FreeBSD and get > everything for free, why isn't everybody using it?" Probably the biggest reason is that it's a consumer OS. It's not preloaded, there's aren't any 'FreeBSD For Dummies' books, all the shrink-wrap titles on the store shelves say "Windows" or "Mac", and until very recently, there was no support. In the enterprise, a consumer OS is a de-facto requirement. The CEO and CTO have Windows or Mac at home, and that's what they want at work. Plus, the lack of support is a major drawback. For example, gcc is free, yet my work continues to pay out handsomely for the cygnus packaging because we get support. And finally, FreeBSD (and other unices) are not easy. It requires computer literacy and willingness to learn more. A Unix requires administration, and a lot of users don't want that. > Another one is: "This > is an excellent OS but if people can get it for free, how do the people > that produce it make any money?" or.."How can they produce such an > excellent product and support it without any profits?" The people who originally produced BSD were academics. They had monetary grants to develop it. Today you find a mix of hobbyists, adademics, and professionals working on it for free. The hobbyists work on it at their spare time for enjoyment. Academics work on it at part of their studies, or as proofs of concept. Professionals work on it to improve the products they are using. A lot of FreeBSD contributors are a mix of all three. But a lack of profits only goes so far and for so fast. The biggest thing that ever happened to Linux were the commercial distributors. I suspect that the BSDi/WalnutCreek merger may be one the biggest things for FreeBSD. The question you didn't ask was "Why are they giving it away instead of selling it?". I can't answer for any of the FreeBSD developers, but for my own software, my answer would be: "I want people to use it 'cause I had so much fun writing it." David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 10:56: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from spectre.honk.org (cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.42.175.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD5E37B64B; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:55:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from spectre.honk.org (mpoulin@spectre.honk.org [24.42.175.137]) by spectre.honk.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA13330; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:55:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:55:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin To: Joe.Warner@smed.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some questions re: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <85256907.0054D783.00@Deimos.smed.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org These are some tough ones to answer. > "If you can do all this with FreeBSD and get everything for free, why > isn't everybody using it? I suppose there are a number of reasons: - lack of knowledge on the part of the user - market saturation / domination by other commercial OSes - lack of marketing / advertising for FreeBSD - don't want to learn something new The main thing is that people don't usually choose something because it's the *best*, they choose it for other, less easily definable reasons. People are generally not very wise when they make decisions about their computers. There is still this attitude of "if it's free, it can't be very good" and people shell out hundreds or thousands of dollars for something that isn't half the product that FreeBSD is, simply because it "comes with the computer" or their neighbour uses it, or they saw a really cool ad for it on T.V. > "This is an excellent OS but if people can get it for free, how do the > people that produce it make any money?" From what I understand, they don't. At least not much - there's some money to be earned from selling the CD's, and Greg Lehey's book must generate some dollars, and there are some people who donate (financially) to the project: (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/donors.html) Mostly, the project exists through the efforts of volunteers. (http://www.freebsd.org/releases/2.0/credits.html) > How can they produce such an excellent product and support it without > any profits?" I believe that one of the strengths of the free software concept is that it is done without the motivation of profit. The people who contribute to FreeBSD do so because they *want* to, and their goal is to produce a quality, robust operating system. If the goal was to deliver a product on a certain date set by some abstract marketing deadline, then the quality would slip. Also, the amount of money spent to develop a product must be less than the amount of revenue the product will generate, otherwise there is no profit. This means that a software company might decide to cut costs by limiting the number of programmers on a given project, and demand more work from them. The open source concept means that anyone can contribute; this essentially means unlimited resources. The best way to explain it to people is to demonstrate by example. Ask them if they've heard of Yahoo, or even better, Microsoft's Hotmail. That's the best way to show people that even though it's free, it really does work, and some very big companies agree. - M - On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 Joe.Warner@smed.com wrote: > > > I hope I'm sending this to the correct mailing lists. Please forgive me if > I am not. I have a couple of questions regarding FreeBSD that I hope > someone will help me address. > After recently installing FreeBSD on a Compaq Deskpro 2000 at work and > setting it up with various applications and servers, Apache and FTP to name > a couple, I've had the opportunity to demonstrate to others that I work > with a small portion of the vast amount of things this powerful operating > system can do. The response has been tremendous and also, a little > overwhelming. Most of my co-workers think it's awesome. They couldn't > believe all the functionality built into FreeBSD and the huge number of > applications that come with the CD ROM set. They also were surprised to > learn that you can download the OS and most of the applications for free. > Here's where I'm having some trouble --- Some of the most frequent > questions I'm getting are: "If you can do all this with FreeBSD and get > everything for free, why isn't everybody using it?" Another one is: "This > is an excellent OS but if people can get it for free, how do the people > that produce it make any money?" or.."How can they produce such an > excellent product and support it without any profits?" I'm having trouble > addressing these questions because my understanding of the current Open > Source Movement is a bit limited and the topic seems fairly complex to me. > I would be so grateful if someone could help me provide some good answers > to these questions or point me to a related site? > > Thanks. > > Joe > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 11: 4:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE3137B64B for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:04:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p126.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.126]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA76174; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:03:00 +0200 Received: from moritz (moritz [10.0.0.4]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01011; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:30:56 GMT (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:30:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Nitebirdz Cc: Joe Warner , freebsd newbies Subject: Re: NFS vs Samba In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > NFS clients for Windows, but I'm not sure any of them is free. Also heard There is a demo, that comes with the very good xwp32.exe, one of the X Servers for Windows, that understands X11R6 (the Mix thing is R5..). And Dan Lanciani is distributing an NFS client, free, but I couldnt install it properly. There is a time limit of two hours in the demo, but for many cases this is enough. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 11:17:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.chhost.com (mail.theshake.com [209.184.27.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1EC5937B64B for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:17:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ewalters@nms2001.com) Received: from ewalters (208.2.71.2[208.2.71.2])by MSPIGGY(MailMax 3.065) with ESMTP id 1596560 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:20:46 -0500 CDT From: "Eric Walters" To: Subject: FW: Where are the startup scripts located/read from Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:17:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000901bfdd3f$4f8704b0$338a13ac@ewalters> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have installed qmail per the instructions in "Life with Qmail" and am having trouble identifying where I need to put my startup script in order for Freebsd to execute it on system startup. ? Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 11:42:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4781737C3CB; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:42:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Joe.Warner@smed.com) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541BC161F1; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26044; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:42:29 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:42:21 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256907.0066B64C ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:41:53 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: Joe.Warner@smed.com Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <85256907.0066B5C8.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:43:26 -0600 Subject: Thanks in advance!!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Since sending the email below out this morning, I've already gotten so many excellent responses that I'm unable to respond to all of you individually. I'm sure that I'm going to receive quite a few more before I make it home tonight. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you all in advance for the quick responses and huge amount of excellent information you all have supplied me with. You've suceeded in helping me and my co-workers better understand FreeBSD and the philosophy behind the Open Source Movement. This also puts me in a better position in my quest of introducing new, different and innovative technology to my co-workers, friends and the company I work for. You all are great!! 8^} Thanks again! Joe |--------+-----------------------> | | Joe.Warner@sm| | | ed.com | | | | | | 06/23/00 | | | 09:28 AM | | | | |--------+-----------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, | | freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG | | cc: (bcc: Joe Warner/SMS) | | Subject: Some questions re: FreeBSD | >--------------------------------------------------------| I hope I'm sending this to the correct mailing lists. Please forgive me if I am not. I have a couple of questions regarding FreeBSD that I hope someone will help me address. After recently installing FreeBSD on a Compaq Deskpro 2000 at work and setting it up with various applications and servers, Apache and FTP to name a couple, I've had the opportunity to demonstrate to others that I work with a small portion of the vast amount of things this powerful operating system can do. The response has been tremendous and also, a little overwhelming. Most of my co-workers think it's awesome. They couldn't believe all the functionality built into FreeBSD and the huge number of applications that come with the CD ROM set. They also were surprised to learn that you can download the OS and most of the applications for free. Here's where I'm having some trouble --- Some of the most frequent questions I'm getting are: "If you can do all this with FreeBSD and get everything for free, why isn't everybody using it?" Another one is: "This is an excellent OS but if people can get it for free, how do the people that produce it make any money?" or.."How can they produce such an excellent product and support it without any profits?" I'm having trouble addressing these questions because my understanding of the current Open Source Movement is a bit limited and the topic seems fairly complex to me. I would be so grateful if someone could help me provide some good answers to these questions or point me to a related site? Thanks. Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 12:30:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tvainet.tva.gov (tvainet.tva.gov [152.85.133.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 049E537B603 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:30:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlhughes@tva.gov) Received: from topaz-hme.cha.tva.gov by tvainet.tva.gov via smtpd (for hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) with SMTP; 23 Jun 2000 19:30:04 UT Received: from knxknxois7.knx.tva.gov (knxknxois7.knx.tva.gov [152.87.14.85]) by topaz.cha.tva.gov (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3-topaz) with ESMTP id PAA10339; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by knxknxois7.knx.tva.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:27:45 -0400 Message-ID: <8C8DCBC7A064D01181F30000F8014E27F13EE4@KNXNOROIS1B> From: "Hughes, Mark L." To: Nitebirdz , "'Heiko Recktenwald'" Cc: Joe Warner , freebsd newbies Subject: RE: NFS vs Samba Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:27:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Also, Intergraph Co, sells a client that you can demo for 1month free, I used it for awhile, but had it trash some file acl > ---------- > From: Heiko Recktenwald[SMTP:uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de] > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:30 > To: Nitebirdz > Cc: Joe Warner; freebsd newbies > Subject: Re: NFS vs Samba > > > NFS clients for Windows, but I'm not sure any of them is free. Also > heard > > There is a demo, that comes with the very good xwp32.exe, one of the X > Servers for Windows, that understands X11R6 (the Mix thing is R5..). And > Dan Lanciani is distributing an NFS client, free, but I couldnt install it > properly. There is a time limit of two hours in the demo, but for many > cases this is enough. > > H. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 13:44:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E4837B672; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:44:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Joe.Warner@smed.com) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5AB716189; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05854; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:44:13 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:44:03 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256907.0071D9A2 ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:43:32 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-Id: <85256907.0071D89C.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:45:04 -0600 Subject: Manager's response re: FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here's a response I got from one of my managers re: FreeBSD. Any comments or replys would be welcome. Thanks. Joe I had actually heard most of those questions and answers before, but that was a nice review. As I see it, our problem has several facets: One is that Novell and now Microsoft have spent years training and certifying people to use and administer their products. In so doing, they have created a captive sales force to promote their products at the expense of the competition. Once you have invested a lot of time in getting yourself certified, and your future career seems tied to that certification, there is a natural reluctance to jump ship and start working with something new or different. If you don't constantly work on Novell servers, for instance, it will be hard to keep sharp in that regard. A second problem is that there is a lack of trained Unix administrators within our organization. Even though Unix and Unix-like operating systems are very common on the planet, our organization has few of them in the IS dept. That is true locally, and obviously is true at corporate. Those who would be good at this are scattered in various departments, making it hard to get their presence felt. This shakes down to two issues; training and organization. If this OS is going to make progress in this company, there must be sufficient resources available to make it work (especially in transition), and there must be sufficient visibility that it can influence decision makers, especially at high levels. A third problem is the famous Microsoft marketing plan. We are a business partner with Microsoft. That probably means that in order to get good pricing on application software, we are encouraged to use NT as our platform of choice. While there are other products to compete with Microsoft,again you run up against issue #2. Clearly, when you look at our company, it has actively sought out arrangements with the largest and most powerful partners it can find, in this case, that is Microsoft. Even our strong tie with IBM did not put OS2 or AIX on any desktops. While I think there are good and persuasive arguments for Linux/FreeBSD Unix as an operating system, for these reasons, right now I don't see it having the political clout in our organization necessary to actually be placed in service. The places where I think it could make inroads is in those areas that NT is weakest. Unfortunately, most of those uses are handled out of corporate (Webservers, large volume servers, firewalls, gateways, etc.). What is left? I think that is our challenge, to find some niches where NT is too expensive or inflexible to offer a solution. Your solution of the packet sniffer is an excellent one. We need to promote that solution, install it and train the staff on its use. Once we are all using it, you will need to find a way to sing its praises to corporate in a way that won't offend any entrenched interests. If you are ultimately successful, then you can use that beach-head to find other niches to exploit. Good luck. As always, if you or any of your IM force is caught or killed our secretary will disavow any knowledge of your activities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 13:52:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (mail3.aracnet.com [216.99.193.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609B437B778; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:52:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06618; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:52:28 -0700 Received: by shell1.aracnet.com (8.9.3) id NAA04396; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:52:25 -0700 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:52:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hamell To: Joe.Warner@smed.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Manager's response re: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <85256907.0071D89C.00@Deimos.smed.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > are all using it, you will need to find a way to sing its praises to > corporate in a way that won't offend any entrenched interests. If you are > ultimately successful, then you can use that beach-head to find other > niches to exploit. > > Good luck. As always, if you or any of your IM force is caught or killed > our secretary will disavow any knowledge of your activities. All I can say is that you at least work for one cool guy! They're open minded, willing to try a new approach, encouraged you to try, and pretty much gave you a direction to start in. Not bad... Hard to find managers like that anymore! Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 15:11:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E05637BA4A for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:11:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p19.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.19]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA45910; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:09:54 +0200 Received: from moritz (moritz [10.0.0.4]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05453; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:55:16 GMT (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:55:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Joe.Warner@smed.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Thanks in advance!!!! In-Reply-To: <85256907.0066B5C8.00@Deimos.smed.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > understand FreeBSD and the philosophy behind the Open Source Movement. One thing is history IMHO. Bill Gates etc didnt invent the computer, the computer was allready there. OS costing some 100 000 dollars, the hardware, dont know, probably much more. Then came the PC. Replacing in many cases the old way of using computers, cheaper hardware etc. Market forces.. But then came the net and with it a renaissance of the old dinosaurs, an end of the concept of the "personal computer", as a philosophy. Well, thats more or less the way I see it, hope it makes some sense. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 15:11:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C69D37BA25 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:11:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p19.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.19]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA45908; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:09:52 +0200 Received: from moritz (moritz [10.0.0.4]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05469; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:04:26 GMT (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:04:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Joe.Warner@smed.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Manager's response re: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <85256907.0071D89C.00@Deimos.smed.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > the competition. Once you have invested a lot of time in getting yourself > certified, and your future career seems tied to that certification, there > is a natural reluctance to jump ship and start working with something new > or different. If you don't constantly work on Novell servers, for > instance, it will be hard to keep sharp in that regard. Unix isnt too difficult. Contrary to popular believe. Even you and me can do it ;-) Why adding good money to bad one ? H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 15:37:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dnsp1.sce.com (dnsp1.sce.com [155.13.48.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5322937B8C9; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:36:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Ryan.Gamo@sce.com) Received: from D058661.sce.com (D058661.sce.com [155.13.167.39]) by dnsp1.sce.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/5.5.5) with ESMTP id PAA58172; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:36:52 -0700 From: Ryan.Gamo@sce.com Received: from go2ntswpr01.sce.com (D068976.sce.com [155.13.76.17]) by D058661.sce.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.7) with ESMTP id PAA41590; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:36:52 -0700 Received: from go2ntdomc01.sce.com (unverified) by go2ntswpr01.sce.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:36:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Manager's response re: FreeBSD To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Cc: X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2a (Intl) 23 November 1999 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:36:42 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on GO2NTDOMC01/SVR/SCE/EIX(Release 5.0.1a (Intl)|17 August 1999) at 06/23/2000 03:36:43 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Textbook management response. A lot of managers (especially non-technical ones) need to trust their technical resources such as yourself. Whatever you presented him with, must have been pretty good. He seems well informed. Realizing that FreeBSD can definitely fulfill some roles in your organization. It is a compact and versatile OS. Ryan M. Gamo IT Application Services - TDBU Phone: (626)308-6696 * Fax: (626)308-6390 Pager: (888)586-7992 PIN 318489 "KNOW YOUR ROLE" Joe.Warner@smed.com Sent by: To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, owner-freebsd-newbies@F freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG reeBSD.ORG cc: Subject: Manager's response re: FreeBSD 06/23/2000 01:45 PM Here's a response I got from one of my managers re: FreeBSD. Any comments or replys would be welcome. Thanks. Joe I had actually heard most of those questions and answers before, but that was a nice review. As I see it, our problem has several facets: One is that Novell and now Microsoft have spent years training and certifying people to use and administer their products. In so doing, they have created a captive sales force to promote their products at the expense of the competition. Once you have invested a lot of time in getting yourself certified, and your future career seems tied to that certification, there is a natural reluctance to jump ship and start working with something new or different. If you don't constantly work on Novell servers, for instance, it will be hard to keep sharp in that regard. A second problem is that there is a lack of trained Unix administrators within our organization. Even though Unix and Unix-like operating systems are very common on the planet, our organization has few of them in the IS dept. That is true locally, and obviously is true at corporate. Those who would be good at this are scattered in various departments, making it hard to get their presence felt. This shakes down to two issues; training and organization. If this OS is going to make progress in this company, there must be sufficient resources available to make it work (especially in transition), and there must be sufficient visibility that it can influence decision makers, especially at high levels. A third problem is the famous Microsoft marketing plan. We are a business partner with Microsoft. That probably means that in order to get good pricing on application software, we are encouraged to use NT as our platform of choice. While there are other products to compete with Microsoft,again you run up against issue #2. Clearly, when you look at our company, it has actively sought out arrangements with the largest and most powerful partners it can find, in this case, that is Microsoft. Even our strong tie with IBM did not put OS2 or AIX on any desktops. While I think there are good and persuasive arguments for Linux/FreeBSD Unix as an operating system, for these reasons, right now I don't see it having the political clout in our organization necessary to actually be placed in service. The places where I think it could make inroads is in those areas that NT is weakest. Unfortunately, most of those uses are handled out of corporate (Webservers, large volume servers, firewalls, gateways, etc.). What is left? I think that is our challenge, to find some niches where NT is too expensive or inflexible to offer a solution. Your solution of the packet sniffer is an excellent one. We need to promote that solution, install it and train the staff on its use. Once we are all using it, you will need to find a way to sing its praises to corporate in a way that won't offend any entrenched interests. If you are ultimately successful, then you can use that beach-head to find other niches to exploit. Good luck. As always, if you or any of your IM force is caught or killed our secretary will disavow any knowledge of your activities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 16:10: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.thuntek.net (mail2.thuntek.net [206.206.98.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A1A37B649; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:09:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Don@Silver-Lynx.com) Received: from Silver-Lynx.com (abq-115.thuntek.net [207.66.52.115]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16005; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:09:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Don@Silver-Lynx.com) Message-ID: <3953EEC6.BBF7CD22@Silver-Lynx.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:12:06 -0600 From: Don Wilde Reply-To: Don@Silver-Lynx.com Organization: Silver Lynx X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe.Warner@smed.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Manager's response re: FreeBSD References: <85256907.0071D89C.00@Deimos.smed.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Joe - I echo the sentiment about a cool boss. As a company owner myself, I'd like to suggest a few more thoughts to share with him. First, it takes a lot fewer sysadmins to run a BSD network than an NT one. Even more so, if you can put the end users on BSD with Applix rather than Dozo because then all the user machines can be centrally admin'd as well. My experience has been that BSD has a much steeper setup-time expense but a much smaller down-the-road admin cost. Second, with BSD you very rarely need console access. My SysAdmin is Ukrainian, and as a 19-year-old kid he knows enough to be writing articles about cracking techniques for TechRepublic.com. The fall of the USSR has created a tremendous window of opportunity for global enterprise thinking, and this is one of the more pleasant aspects of it. -- Donald Wilde "Linking Minds and Micros" ================= S i l v e r L y n x =================== PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Silver-Lynx.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 16:19:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (gargoyle-xl0.apana.org.au [210.215.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518F937B5AC for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:19:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA16589; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:18:34 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "ROADRUNNER" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdy16586; Sat Jun 24 09:18:25 2000 Message-ID: <019d01bfdd69$93b7bce0$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> From: "Doug Young" To: "Heiko Recktenwald" Cc: "ML Duke" , References: Subject: Re: Staroffice 3.1 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:20:06 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > It doesnt install. WP comes as a *tar file, you untar it and you get some > ?_??? files, a Reame and a Runme, that works. Its around 24 MB big, thats > ok for download, well 1 and a half hour.... > Hmmmm ....maybe OK for geeks but thats not gonna win it many "real world office" users. At least StarOffice 5.x (for both Windows & Solaris anyway) has an installer that any moron could use. I guess the linux version has something similar, but I've managed to successfully remove all instances of that particular virus from any place I support. > And the history of word proces sors..first there was wordstar, believe it or not there's still the "odd" one of those stoneage applications lurking around in OZ, also the occasional "PFS First Choice" from the same era > then came > the other two, word and wordperfect. It looks better than Word, and it > works, thats ok. Had Word for Windows....maybe I should try staroffice for > windows too. I tried Word in some variety of linux years ago and found it quite unintuitive, clunky, and defaulting to some weird format that was incompatible with anything used on planet earth, so never too any further interest in it. As I recall it was just a bare word processor rather than an office suite (a la Applixware, MS Office, StarOffice, Lotus Smartsuite etc) so thats why its more compact. No doubt a wordprocessor only install of StarOffice is in the 20Mb region too. > > Wordperfect was allways rather popular, I think in the american academic > community more than Word. As I remember from some doctors. But they had > the non x version, which isnt free. (And complicated..) Wordperfect 5.1 for DOS is still widely used in OZ, particularly in (il)legal offices & the (in)Justice Department. (political correctness hasn't reached those areas yet) It used to be standard in real estate too, since the menu system lent itself well to the special templates required for all the documentation peculiar to the industry. My girlfriend (a legal eagle) still uses it at around 100 words per minute I'm not aware of many other places its still used though, friend Bill has infiltrated his products very well here. I can't imagine a CLI unix version of Word gaining much market share .... don't all the full-on geeks swear by vi ?? Mind you I guess the complication wouldn't worry anyone who uses vi, its gotta be the best example I've seen yet of complication for no good reason :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 18:26:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12DA437B56E for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:26:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id VAA20944; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:26:13 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts005d38.mer-id.concentric.net (ts005d38.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.242]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id VAA15163; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:23:49 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: Doug Young Cc: Heiko Recktenwald , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Correcting History: Was Staroffice 3.1 In-Reply-To: <019d01bfdd69$93b7bce0$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Actually, the Viewpoint OS w/Document Editor applications was the grandfather of all so called "state of the art" word processing of today (and they _still_ have not caught up with it). It all ran on the 6085 PCS. ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 19:30:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5AF37BADF for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:30:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA81105 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:30:09 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:30:09 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200006240230.MAA81105@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 20:20:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF7937B733; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:20:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p20-dn03kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [210.232.224.149]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id MAA05750; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:20:29 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <39541EE8.EBD5BDDF@newsguy.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:37:28 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe.Warner@smed.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some questions re: FreeBSD References: <85256907.0054D783.00@Deimos.smed.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe.Warner@smed.com wrote: > > Here's where I'm having some trouble --- Some of the most frequent > questions I'm getting are: "If you can do all this with FreeBSD and get > everything for free, why isn't everybody using it?" * Because people who responsible for software purchase are usually ignorant of software, so they only authorize use of Big Name software companies (Microsoft, IBM, etc). * Because Big Name software companies usually make deals that exchange discount prices for non-use of competing products. * Because you go to a bookstore and that's not what you see in the bookshelves. * Marketing. * Because it isn't as easy to use as Windows. * Because it isn't as forgiving of errors as Windows. * Because, sometimes, other software present better solutions. > Another one is: "This > is an excellent OS but if people can get it for free, how do the people > that produce it make any money?" Notice that we do not produce the applications that come with FreeBSD. Other people do that, and the reasons are similar. There are four categories of people who work on these software projects: 1. Those who do it for a hobby. 2. Those who are students, for whom the chance of getting their names known world wide presents a great chance of future opportunities. 3. Researchers of public institutions. 4. Those who use that software for their work. They use the product because it solves their problems best of all competition. They work on the product to make it solve their problems better. They donate their code back because sharing code this way increases it's quality, and removes the need of retrofitting the code in each new version. In other words, their jobs get easier. The origin of these projects can be found in all of the above. Apache Web Server, for example, was created because, simply put, all other solutions sucked. So the people who NEEDED a good web server went ahead and created one. I think Diablo, the news server created by Matt Dillon, has the same origin. And, right now, it is being worked on by people who *need* a good news server. FreeBSD, being an OS instead of a application, has volunteers from all of the above classes. People who's work is made easier by it, researchers for public and private institutions, CS students, high school students, and even some hobbists. > or.."How can they produce such an > excellent product and support it without any profits?" Now, there is a NEW class of people involved with Open Source. Those who sell SUPPORT for the product. By leveraging on the man power of the other classes and the technical advantages of having the source open for all to see (and fix, and add new features), they earn money by selling integrated solutions or technical support for that software. Contributing back to the project helps make sure it grows and earn more market share, thus increasing their potential market. That's essentially the deal between BSDi and FreeBSD. BSDi employs many people whose job is address weaknesses of FreeBSD. They make money by giving technical support for FreeBSD as well as selling solutions; for example (hypothetical), a "plug-and-play" web server, including hardware, OS and software all configured to attend to the client's needs. > I'm having trouble > addressing these questions because my understanding of the current Open > Source Movement is a bit limited and the topic seems fairly complex to me. Open Source Movement is a huge social phenomenum, which will give birth to many, many thesis in psychology, sociology, philosophy and economy. And, possibly, law. > I would be so grateful if someone could help me provide some good answers > to these questions or point me to a related site? You can search for the writings of Eric Raymond (esr), the documents of the Free Software Foundation, and rebuttals of these writings by, for example, Bertrand Meyers. You can look up the "ask slashdot" questions on, well, slashdot. But, honestly, I dislike most of the above references because, simply put, they assume a particular cross-section of the Open Software movements is _all_ the open software movement. By ESR accounts, you would think FreeBSD wasn't part of it. By Bertrand Meyers angry attacks on ESR and FSF, you would *also* think FreeBSD wasn't part of it. :-) The reason for this is that FSF, whose contribution to the Open Source movement can hardly be understated, has behind it a very radical leftist philosophical position. While they deny accusations of being "communists" and state their embrace of free markets, this applies to everything but software. :-) Software, for them, MUST be free and shared. They are radicals, their followers are radicals, and the people most offended by their position are radicals. The rest of us, just trying to live and let live, tend to get ignored by both camps. :-) So... well, see the answers I gave to your questions. If you think through them, you ought to be able to answer most questions about the Open Source movement. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@the.great.underground.bsdconpiracy.org Windows works, for sufficently small values of "works". To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 20:55: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in (theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.71.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7864C37BB1C for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:54:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in) Received: (qmail 38186 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2000 03:54:47 -0000 Received: from theory7.physics.iisc.ernet.in (qmailr@144.16.71.127) by theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in with SMTP; 24 Jun 2000 03:54:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 31574 invoked by uid 211); 24 Jun 2000 03:54:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:24:39 +0530 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: Joe.Warner@smed.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some questions re: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000624092439.A31497@physics.iisc.ernet.in> Mail-Followup-To: "Daniel C. Sobral" , Joe.Warner@smed.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG References: <85256907.0054D783.00@Deimos.smed.com> <39541EE8.EBD5BDDF@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <39541EE8.EBD5BDDF@newsguy.com>; from dcs@newsguy.com on Sat, Jun 24, 2000 at 11:37:28AM +0900 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.14 alpha Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Daniel C. Sobral said on Jun 24, 2000 at 11:37:28: > * Because it isn't as forgiving of errors as Windows. I keep seeing this one and also "it's not as easy to administer as Windows". Both of which are nonsense (imo). Any unix has so many inbuilt safeguards that it's *much* more forgiving of errors than windows -- with windows any user can easily screw up the whole machine. And as for administration, how many people have an unmaintained windows machine running for weeks, let alone months or years? The way you use windows is to run it as for as long as it works, and then reinstall. With that approach any OS is easy to administer. R. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 21:16:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C4837BB21 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:16:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-226-141.s395.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.226.141] helo=beefstew) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 135hMq-0002q0-00 for newbies@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:16:28 -0400 Message-ID: <002501bfdd93$10523fe0$8de27ad1@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: Subject: audio ques. simplication. Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:16:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org some nice person gave me some info on how they setup their cdplayer. could someone help me understand what they are saying? - it's a bit advanced for me: > On typical FreeBSD installations, xcdplayer wants the > -device option filled in with the location of the disc > in /dev, e.g: > xcdplayer -device /dev/acd0c ok what did they just say? what does the above command do? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 21:42:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D886137BAE9 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:42:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-237-213.s594.tnt2.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.237.213] helo=beefstew) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 135hmN-0003ED-00 for newbies@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:42:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bfdd96$bf8b3ef0$d5ed7ad1@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: Subject: mount dos floppy Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:43:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i have a .wav file on a floppy from my MSwindows. ( It's a MS formateed floppy ) to test my audio out with. From "The Complete FreeBSD" I see the line: # mount /dev/fd0 /A but I don't know if this is correct for my circumstance, i checked the handbook too. Could not find specific info/examples. what is the command to mount this floppy to FreeBSD? i just want to copy the .wav file to my ~ dir. thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 23:12:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rmx470-mta.mail.com (rmx470-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA7737C435; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:12:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chat@soon.com) Received: from web307-mc.mail.com (web307-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.153]) by rmx470-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA05733; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <384215129.961827149521.JavaMail.root@web307-mc.mail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:12:28 -0400 (EDT) From: chat room To: "leegold" Subject: RE: mount dos floppy Cc: newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-WM-FaxTo: X-Originating-IP: 203.117.33.23 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Share some info from the mail few days ago. to mount a msdos format floppy disk 1. mkdir /A 2. mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt ------Original Message------ From: "leegold" To: Sent: June 24, 2000 4:43:30 AM GMT Subject: mount dos floppy i have a .wav file on a floppy from my MSwindows. ( It's a MS formateed floppy ) to test my audio out with. >From "The Complete FreeBSD" I see the line: # mount /dev/fd0 /A but I don't know if this is correct for my circumstance, i checked the handbook too. Could not find specific info/examples. what is the command to mount this floppy to FreeBSD? i just want to copy the .wav file to my ~ dir. thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 23:12:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rmx470-mta.mail.com (rmx470-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA7737C435; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:12:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chat@soon.com) Received: from web307-mc.mail.com (web307-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.153]) by rmx470-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA05733; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <384215129.961827149521.JavaMail.root@web307-mc.mail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:12:28 -0400 (EDT) From: chat room To: "leegold" Subject: RE: mount dos floppy Cc: newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-WM-FaxTo: X-Originating-IP: 203.117.33.23 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Share some info from the mail few days ago. to mount a msdos format floppy disk 1. mkdir /A 2. mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt ------Original Message------ From: "leegold" To: Sent: June 24, 2000 4:43:30 AM GMT Subject: mount dos floppy i have a .wav file on a floppy from my MSwindows. ( It's a MS formateed floppy ) to test my audio out with. >From "The Complete FreeBSD" I see the line: # mount /dev/fd0 /A but I don't know if this is correct for my circumstance, i checked the handbook too. Could not find specific info/examples. what is the command to mount this floppy to FreeBSD? i just want to copy the .wav file to my ~ dir. thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 23:16:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (srvr22.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C865437B733; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:16:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nlevitt@umich.edu) Received: from maize.engin.umich.edu (root@maize.engin.umich.edu [141.213.74.23]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA15430; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (nlevitt@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maize.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA04984; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:16:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Noah Abraham Levitt X-Sender: nlevitt@maize.engin.umich.edu To: chat room Cc: leegold , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: mount dos floppy In-Reply-To: <384215129.961827149521.JavaMail.root@web307-mc.mail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, chat room wrote: > Share some info from the mail few days ago. > > to mount a msdos format floppy disk > 1. mkdir /A > 2. mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt I think "chat room" meant mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /A for step 2. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 23:16:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (srvr22.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C865437B733; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:16:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nlevitt@umich.edu) Received: from maize.engin.umich.edu (root@maize.engin.umich.edu [141.213.74.23]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA15430; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (nlevitt@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maize.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA04984; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:16:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Noah Abraham Levitt X-Sender: nlevitt@maize.engin.umich.edu To: chat room Cc: leegold , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: mount dos floppy In-Reply-To: <384215129.961827149521.JavaMail.root@web307-mc.mail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, chat room wrote: > Share some info from the mail few days ago. > > to mount a msdos format floppy disk > 1. mkdir /A > 2. mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt I think "chat room" meant mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /A for step 2. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 23:21:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C5937B6D1 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:21:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p114.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.114]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA61226; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:19:55 +0200 Received: from moritz (moritz [10.0.0.4]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02813; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 04:31:37 GMT (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 04:31:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Doug Young Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Staroffice 3.1 In-Reply-To: <019d01bfdd69$93b7bce0$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > It doesnt install. WP comes as a *tar file, you untar it and you get some > > ?_??? files, a Reame and a Runme, that works. Its around 24 MB big, thats > > ok for download, well 1 and a half hour.... > > > Hmmmm ....maybe OK for geeks but thats not gonna win it many "real world > office" users. At least StarOffice 5.x (for both Windows & Solaris anyway) > has > an installer that any moron could use. I guess the linux version has Well, you misunderstood me maybe ;-) This "Runme" is the moronlike installer. Like setup.exe in the Windows world. With Staroffice, you get millions of files, and the setupscript is broken, in 3.1. But we are not a Wordprocessoradvocacygroup ;-) Anyway, thanks again for the www.corel.com advices.. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 23:32: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rmx194-mta.mail.com (rmx194-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FBC537BB8F; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:31:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chat@soon.com) Received: from web443-mc.mail.com (web443-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.156]) by rmx194-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA20282; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <384785222.961828300783.JavaMail.root@web443-mc.mail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:31:40 -0400 (EDT) From: chat room To: leegold Cc: newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-WM-FaxTo: X-Originating-IP: 203.117.33.23 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry leegold, Noah Levitt was correct. To Mount a floppy disk in msdos format: Step 1 : mkdir /A Step 2 : mount -t /dev/fd0 /A Thanks Noah Levitt for correcting my mistake. ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 23:55:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 480A937BB69; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:55:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (Foolstrustident!@homer.softweyr.com [204.68.178.39]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA15219; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:55:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <39545BA5.2D404D68@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:56:37 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rick Hamell Cc: Joe.Warner@smed.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Manager's response re: FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rick Hamell wrote: > > > are all using it, you will need to find a way to sing its praises to > > corporate in a way that won't offend any entrenched interests. If you are > > ultimately successful, then you can use that beach-head to find other > > niches to exploit. > > > > Good luck. As always, if you or any of your IM force is caught or killed > > our secretary will disavow any knowledge of your activities. > > All I can say is that you at least work for one cool guy! They're > open minded, willing to try a new approach, encouraged you to try, and > pretty much gave you a direction to start in. Not bad... Hard to find > managers like that anymore! Hear, hear. What a cool boss. Be sure to install FreeBSD in a partition (or on a new disk) on his machine and teach him everything you know. Also, keep looking for new niches to pound those BSD boxes into. Anything remotely related to networking is usually a good inroad. A departmental web server, one of those web-calendar apps for scheduling team meetings and conference rooms, etc. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 23 23:57:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rmx614-mta.mail.com (rmx614-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6784D37BB30; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:57:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chat@soon.com) Received: from web302-mc.mail.com (web302-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.163]) by rmx614-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA04674; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <381025744.961829833406.JavaMail.root@web302-mc.mail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:57:13 -0400 (EDT) From: chat room To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Distress using FreeBSD on Notebook Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-WM-FaxTo: X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 203.117.33.24 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After spending about a month downloading/reading/configurating my system, about 6 hours a day. I'm still using my Win9x to come online. Call me a failure, call me anything... I've read up almost all the mail, the handbook and yet I still can't manage to make this notebook work on FreeBSD. Can someone tell me where else can I look for help. I don't even mind paying for the service just to get things working. My System Description: Toshiba 300CDS Notebook (166Mhz, 32M ram, 2G HDD) Prolink V.90 1456c pamcia modem Socket Communication Inc-Serial port adapter Rev.B FreeBSD Release 4.0 Presently, the X-window and other application are running fine, (except for wine). I still have problem dialup to my ISP as I still can't get the pcmcia card to working. Anyone using Notebook, Please attach all the conf files or provide me with some info of how to configure the pcmcia and PPP. I'm 100% new to the unix world and is trying hard to learn, Just to get rid of all the MS stuff which seems to clash whenever I try to do multi-task. Thanking You in advance ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 0:30:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB9637B547; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:30:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25619; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:30:01 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from matey.apana.org.au(203.3.126.134), claiming to be "kurley" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpde25617; Sat Jun 24 17:29:55 2000 Message-ID: <003d01bfddaf$0eea13a0$867e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "chat room" , Cc: References: <381025744.961829833406.JavaMail.root@web302-mc.mail.com> Subject: Re: Distress using FreeBSD on Notebook Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:37:27 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hope the modem isn't one of those winmodem disasters ... I dunno about pcmcia ones but most if not all regular PCI ones seem to be. There's only one way to get ppp working as far as I'm concerned .... use the ppp_script.sh file. I found it originally at ftp://flag.blackened.net somewhere, but if you can't find it there you can either get it from my FreeBSD Tutorial site (look in the ppp section) http://www.apana.org.au/FreeBSD/FreeBSD_Tutorial or send me another private email & I'll send it when I'm at home (at girlfriends place right now) ----- Original Message ----- From: chat room To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 4:57 PM Subject: Distress using FreeBSD on Notebook > After spending about a month downloading/reading/configurating > my system, about 6 hours a day. I'm still using my Win9x > to come online. Call me a failure, call me anything... > > I've read up almost all the mail, the handbook and yet I still > can't manage to make this notebook work on FreeBSD. > > Can someone tell me where else can I look for help. I don't even > mind paying for the service just to get things working. > > My System Description: > > Toshiba 300CDS Notebook (166Mhz, 32M ram, 2G HDD) > Prolink V.90 1456c pamcia modem > Socket Communication Inc-Serial port adapter Rev.B > > FreeBSD Release 4.0 > > Presently, the X-window and other application are running fine, > (except for wine). I still have problem dialup to my ISP as I still can't > get the pcmcia card to working. > > Anyone using Notebook, Please attach all the conf files or provide me with > some info of how to configure the pcmcia and > PPP. > > I'm 100% new to the unix world and is trying hard to learn, > Just to get rid of all the MS stuff which seems to clash > whenever I try to do multi-task. > > Thanking You in advance > > > ______________________________________________ > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 0:39: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.alpha.net.au (mail2.alpha.net.au [203.41.44.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A77537B547; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:39:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyh@idx.com.au) Received: from dannyh.freebsd.org (surry-pool-171.alpha.net.au [203.41.44.171] (may be forged)) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA23585; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:40:04 +1000 From: Danny To: chat room , leegold Subject: Re: Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:41:05 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <384785222.961828300783.JavaMail.root@web443-mc.mail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00062517475000.00608@dannyh.freebsd.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -Hello - Firstly, why use the name chatroom? - Secondly using mtools is so much easier than using mount -t /dev/fd0 /A - Checkout www.freebsd.org/ports/ and look for a tool called mtools On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, chat room wrote: > Sorry leegold, > > Noah Levitt was correct. > > To Mount a floppy disk in msdos format: > > Step 1 : mkdir /A > Step 2 : mount -t /dev/fd0 /A > > Thanks Noah Levitt for correcting my mistake. > > > ______________________________________________ > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- You are not authorized to use my email address for any purpose. This is a violation of my privacy. Remove my email address from your databases immediately. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 1:48:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uranus.interscope.ro (ns.interscope.ro [193.226.188.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7806D37BA1F for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 01:48:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from KoronkaS@interscope.ro) Received: by URANUS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:29:33 +0300 Message-ID: From: Stefan KORONKA To: 'leegold' , newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: audio ques. simplication. Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:29:32 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > some nice person gave me some info on how they setup their cdplayer. > could someone help me understand what they are saying? - it's > a bit advanced > for me: > > > On typical FreeBSD installations, xcdplayer wants the > > -device option filled in with the location of the disc > > in /dev, e.g: > > xcdplayer -device /dev/acd0c > > ok what did they just say? what does the above command do? ok .. here is it: 1. "/dev/acd0c" is the "logical name" of the physical device (in this case, the cdrom) This might be the "logical name" of the cdrom on your machine, or it may be not .. To check this, try do the folowing (and I hope that I'm not complicating this even more): -put a data cd in your unit, then run: #mount /cdrom (this will mount you cd; the system will solve everything for you, if you are lucky :) (after this command, you can see files from the cd in /cdrom directory -assuming that is a data cd) #mount (this will list the mounted device - eg, harddisk(s), the cdrom and other stuff) Now, from this list, look at the line where the word "/cdrom" appears. It might be something like "/dev/acd0c on /cdrom ISO9..." and other stuff. That "/dev/acd0c" is that "logical name" (I don't think that this is the proper definition, but let's keep it). Note: on your system, it might be something else, not "/dev/acd0c". Anyway, I think that this is the most usual case. If you want to get out the cd from the unit, you must first release the device: #umount /cdrom Now, hoping that you got so far .. you have that "logical name", and a clue of what that means. 2. xcdplayer -device /dev/acd0c This will say: hey, you, "xcdplayer", my cdrom is there ... play it ! Good luck. Stefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 2:39: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf24.de (mail.surf24.de [212.62.192.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A3637BB30 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:38:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de) Received: from duffner.surf24.de (surf232.surf24.de [212.62.193.232]) by mail.surf24.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA31469; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:38:55 +0200 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:20:04 +0100 (MESZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: Re: NFS vs Samba To: Nitebirdz Cc: freebsd newbies , Joe Warner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri 23 Jun, Nitebirdz wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Joe Warner wrote: > > > What's better for file sharing across a network? NFS or Samba? ...Just > > > > curious. Thanks. > > > > It depends on your network. Samba is ideal if Windows clients need to > access files and printing services in your UNIX servers. On the other > hand, if you work in an all-UNIX shop (lucky you!), then NFS would > obviously be the way to go. I believe it is also possible to get some > NFS clients for Windows, but I'm not sure any of them is free. Also heard > that Win2K may have it installed by default, but don't quote me on this. I read a test some time ago (might well be a year...) wherein all commercial NFS-clients for PCs were slower than Samba. So, I think that if you need to serve to PCs, there's no real reason not to go to /usr/ports/net/samba and make install clean ;-) cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 5: 1:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f258.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A44CD37B92C for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 05:01:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sorak_no1@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 3179 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jun 2000 12:01:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20000624120135.3178.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 212.151.114.9 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 05:01:35 PDT X-Originating-IP: [212.151.114.9] From: "Lelle lidqvist" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: wine Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 05:01:35 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org does someone know if there is a wine tutorial aviable some place? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 6:30:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CF7FB37B55F for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 06:30:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 16073 invoked by alias); 24 Jun 2000 13:30:40 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 16058 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jun 2000 13:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.105.160) by slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 24 Jun 2000 13:30:38 -0000 Message-ID: <3954B721.C5DC7F01@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:26:57 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lelle lidqvist Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wine References: <20000624120135.3178.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try here---->http://www.winehq.com/doc.html Lelle lidqvist wrote: > does someone know if there is a wine tutorial aviable some place? > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 6:47: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 894E537B632 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 06:47:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 35016 invoked by alias); 24 Jun 2000 13:46:59 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 35006 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jun 2000 13:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.105.160) by slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 24 Jun 2000 13:46:58 -0000 Message-ID: <3954BAF5.29652D7B@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:43:17 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd newbies Subject: FreeBSD vs CISCO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This may fall in line with questions I had asked in previous emails but can anyone answer another question for me?: If you can take an old 386 or 486, install FreeBSD on it and turn it into a cost effective,secure and highly configurable router, why then do company's continue to pay the big bucks for CISCO routers? Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 6:53:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 988D037B632 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 06:53:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 37595 invoked by alias); 24 Jun 2000 13:53:34 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 37581 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jun 2000 13:53:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.105.160) by slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 24 Jun 2000 13:53:34 -0000 Message-ID: <3954BC7E.BDBC36BE@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:49:50 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Francisco Reyes , freebsd newbies , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Corporate list (was Manager's response re: FreeBSD) References: <200006241330.JAA40083@sanson.reyes.somos.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yeah, a FreeBSD-Corporate or FreeBSD-Business or FreeBSD-Atwork list would be a good idea. I'm sure there are quite a few people out there that are facing similar challenges. Keep me posted. Thanks. Joe Francisco Reyes wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:15:32 -0600, Joe Warner wrote: > > >situation does seem similar to mine and maybe if we continue to share our > >experiences, we can help each other and others who might be facing a similar > >situation. > > I sent a note to the chat list and Jonathan M. Bresler (as I > understand our listmaster) about creating a FreeBSD-Coporate > mailing list. This list would be for those of us either trying > to convince management about using FreeBSD or for those already > using it. > > I think we face a series of challenges which I am not sure are > properly proper for any of the existing lists. > > Prior to getting FreeBSD into the company it is "advocacy", but > once it is in then which list would be appropiate? Questions is > like the catch all, but it is too generic. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 6:58:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.chhost.com (mail.theshake.com [209.184.27.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7501937B707 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 06:58:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ewalters@nms2001.com) Received: from ewalters (207.136.50.69[207.136.50.69])by MSPIGGY(MailMax 3.065) with ESMTP id 1626835 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:01:49 -0500 CDT From: "Eric Walters" To: "Freebsd Newbies (E-mail)" Subject: SUNRPC on port 111 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:58:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bfdde4$490a5880$453288cf@ewalters> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I ran a port scan on my newly configured freebsd system and I have a port 111 (SUNRPC) listed. Can anyone tell me what this is and if I can shut it off. I am trying to make this system as secure as possible. Thanks, Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 7:34:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108A937B622 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:34:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmdupx@yahoo.com) Received: from [195.92.198.123] (helo=mail17.svr.pol.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 135r1A-0003I3-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:34:44 +0100 Received: from modem-105.dungortheb.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.160.105] helo=jmdupx.surreynet.com) by mail17.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 135r1A-0003dk-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:34:44 +0100 From: jmdupx@yahoo.com To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:34:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: list / content of manpages In-reply-to: <200006240230.MAA81105@phoenix.welearn.com.au> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org is this such a dumb question .... I have just installed fbsd on a laptop, with basic bin and manpages, what I cannot figure is how do I list the commands which I have got manpages for ? that's not ot say what I have read so far is not useful, but still interesting to know just how much there IS Jean-Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 7:49:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rmx614-mta.mail.com (rmx614-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF5937B66B; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:49:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chat@soon.com) Received: from web312-mc.mail.com (web312-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.170]) by rmx614-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24692; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <384763917.961858171472.JavaMail.root@web312-mc.mail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:49:31 -0400 (EDT) From: chat room To: Danny Cc: leegold Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-WM-FaxTo: X-Originating-IP: 192.169.41.47 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, First, I have to thanks Danny for reminding me of my name on the e-mail. The reason why I choose to use a nickname was because I'm using this e-mail account to anwser enquires on my website, which is a voicechat room (It have not yet work on linux logging, I've not tried it on FreeBSD yet). If you are interested, the URL is http://www.zyworld.com/ApolloMoon/index.htm Secondly, I also agree with Danny that using another software for mounting disk may be easier (thuo I have not try it). But its always better to know the basic command,In case the X-window is not working or there space constrain like my case. I'm running FreeBSD on a notebook with a 2G HDD which 720MB have been alocate for Win9x partition. Regards, Arthur ------Original Message------ From: Danny To: chat room , leegold Sent: June 25, 2000 7:41:05 AM GMT Subject: Re: -Hello - Firstly, why use the name chatroom? - Secondly using mtools is so much easier than using mount -t /dev/fd0 /A - Checkout www.freebsd.org/ports/ and look for a tool called mtools On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, chat room wrote: > Sorry leegold, > > Noah Levitt was correct. > > To Mount a floppy disk in msdos format: > > Step 1 : mkdir /A > Step 2 : mount -t /dev/fd0 /A > > Thanks Noah Levitt for correcting my mistake. > > > ______________________________________________ > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- You are not authorized to use my email address for any purpose. This is a violation of my privacy. Remove my email address from your databases immediately. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 7:57:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rmx614-mta.mail.com (rmx614-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE2F37B529 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:57:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chat@soon.com) Received: from web142-mc.mail.com (web142-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.167]) by rmx614-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA00455; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <383977518.961858654712.JavaMail.root@web142-mc.mail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:57:34 -0400 (EDT) From: chat room To: jmdupx@yahoo.com Subject: RE: list / content of manpages Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 192.169.41.47 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Just type man man will list out the function of the manpage. Also nice to hear that someone else here is also running FreeBSD on a laptop. For my case I'm still facing many problem configure the pcmcia modem. Hope we can share information in future. Regards, Arthur ------Original Message------ From: jmdupx@yahoo.com To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sent: June 24, 2000 2:34:58 PM GMT Subject: list / content of manpages is this such a dumb question .... I have just installed fbsd on a laptop, with basic bin and manpages, what I cannot figure is how do I list the commands which I have got manpages for ? that's not ot say what I have read so far is not useful, but still interesting to know just how much there IS Jean-Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 9: 9:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rmx460-mta.mail.com (rmx460-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1178537B5C3 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:09:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chat@soon.com) Received: from web142-mc.mail.com (web142-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.167]) by rmx460-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA23260; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <384351803.961862925569.JavaMail.root@web142-mc.mail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:08:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Arthur To: "Doug Young" Subject: Re: Distress using FreeBSD on Notebook Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-WM-FaxTo: X-Originating-IP: 203.117.33.23 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ------Original Message------ Hi, Thanks for showing me the site for the download. I have been searching hi and low for a script like this. I've just downloaded it and is now working on the kernel configuration with the help of someone else online. Thanking You, Regards, Arthur From: "Doug Young" To: "chat room" , Sent: June 24, 2000 7:37:27 AM GMT Subject: Re: Distress using FreeBSD on Notebook Hope the modem isn't one of those winmodem disasters ... I dunno about pcmcia ones but most if not all regular PCI ones seem to be. There's only one way to get ppp working as far as I'm concerned .... use the ppp_script.sh file. I found it originally at ftp://flag.blackened.net somewhere, but if you can't find it there you can either get it from my FreeBSD Tutorial site (look in the ppp section) http://www.apana.org.au/FreeBSD/FreeBSD_Tutorial or send me another private email & I'll send it when I'm at home (at girlfriends place right now) ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 9:17: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rmx470-mta.mail.com (rmx470-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59AE337B624 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:17:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chat@soon.com) Received: from web421-mc.mail.com (web421-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.154]) by rmx470-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA06753; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <380765618.961863418643.JavaMail.root@web421-mc.mail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:16:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Arthur To: Bruce Burden Subject: Re: Distress using FreeBSD on Notebook Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-WM-FaxTo: X-Originating-IP: 203.117.33.23 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks Bruce, The site you have direct me have most of the information I need. The pcmcia modem I use is more or less a standard one, so I'll trial and error to see which configuration fit in. Hope the next time I logon to internet, it'll be on FreeBSD. Cheers, Arthur ------Original Message------ From: Bruce Burden To: chat room Sent: June 24, 2000 3:44:03 PM GMT Subject: Re: Distress using FreeBSD on Notebook > Can someone tell me where else can I look for help. I don't even > mind paying for the service just to get things working. > Have you looked here for a similiar machine: http://www.cse.ucsc.edu/~dkulp/fbsd/laptop.html#notes11 Also, have you verified that your PCMCIA cards work under FreeBSD? Are they in the pccard.conf.sample file? Bruce ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 9:31:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br (bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br [143.106.51.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0630C37C44E; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:31:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from atabraga@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br) Received: by bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1D1251958; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:31:37 -0300 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14676.57961.22295.697102@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:31:37 -0300 (EST) From: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Modem onboard X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.1 Reply-To: atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br X-URL: http://www.iqm.unicamp.br Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everbody, Are there any modems onboards that aren't winmodens, those i can use with FreeBSD? Please, is very urgent, Thanks, Ata. PS: I'm sorry for the awful english :-/ -- Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br http://www.iqm.unicamp.br To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 13: 1: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2695D37BBAC; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:00:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28950; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:00:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <3955136C.9A43A164@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:00:44 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0603 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kent Stewart Cc: John Daniels , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HELP! unbootable due to rc.conf References: <20000613191506.78143.qmail@hotmail.com> <39468D51.58991339@3-cities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For future reference, all questions belong on -questions. Cross posting is frowned on. Kent Stewart wrote: > > John Daniels wrote: > > > > Hi: > > > > I forgot to add a quote mark in rc.conf. Now my system will not boot fully. > > It takes me to a shell prompt from which I can move around the system > > ("cd") and execute simple commands like "ls" but I can't bring up an editor > > (I tried vi and ee) and when I tried to use mv to rename rc.conf (thinking > > that the system would boot with only the settings in /etc/defaults/rc.conf), > > the system responded that the drive was read-only. > > > > What can I do to get my system booting properly again? > > You have to mount /. The last time I did this was 3 or 4 weeks ago and > a "mount -a" in single user mode worked. Then you correct your rc.conf > error. I rebooted at this point. Make sure to type 'fsck -p' before you do the 'mount -a'. You should never try to mount a file system if it's not clean. Also, if you are in single user mode and want to go directly to multi-user mode, just type 'exit'. Conversely, if you are in multi-user mode and want to drop into single user mode without rebooting, all you need to do is type 'shutdown'. HTH, Doug -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 15:52:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F26937B5C2 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:52:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmdupx@yahoo.com) Received: from [195.92.198.123] (helo=mail17.svr.pol.co.uk) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 135ymk-0001a1-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:52:22 +0100 Received: from modem-63.daeron.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.150.191] helo=jmdupx.surreynet.com) by mail17.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 135ymk-0005sr-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:52:22 +0100 From: jmdupx@yahoo.com To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:52:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: content / list of manpages X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "man man" was not exactly what I meant, since that gives options and switches for configuring the output or the display when you man a command, which is fine if, say, I wanted to print a batch of stuff out or do whatever the other options give you choice of. what I really meant was, what manpages are there, meaning when I type "man command", where can i get a list of all "command" for which there is a manpage that I have in my distribution ? (if you can do that) is there a file extension in freebsd (like in DOS where you have *.com or *.exe) which tells you for example that a file is executable or will run or whatever if you enter it at a command prompt, as opposed to just containing information ? this would be a useful way for me to slowly feel my way around the system using the resources at hand. thanks in advance To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 16:12:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uranus.interscope.ro (ns.interscope.ro [193.226.188.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C0137B507 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:12:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from KoronkaS@interscope.ro) Received: by URANUS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 02:09:19 +0300 Message-ID: From: Stefan KORONKA To: "'jmdupx@yahoo.com'" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: content / list of manpages Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 02:09:17 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > is there a file extension in freebsd (like in DOS where you have > *.com or *.exe) which tells you for example that a file is executable > or will run or whatever if you enter it at a command prompt, as > opposed to just containing information ? > > this would be a useful way for me to slowly feel my way around the > system using the resources at hand. hmm .. a sugestion: use the "bash" shell. If you are using other shell, just type "bash". If you haven't installed it, install from /stand/sysinstall. Now, in bash, if you press "Tab" once, you'll hear a beep. If you press twice, a message like "There are xxx possibililies.. Do you want.. (y/n)" Press "y" (or just press "Tab" one more time); now a list with all available commands will appear on your screen. (Note: I might be wrong with the numbers of "Tab", but you'll get a clue) Similar, if you type "a", you'll get all the commands begining with "a". And so on .. I hope this helps. Btw: no, there isn't a "file extension" for executable files in unix. And no, the system will not run whatever if you enter at a command prompt. Executable files usually have an "x" flag (try "ls -l" to see this). And, usually, most of the available programs are in /bin, /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin. Stefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 16:13:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F46537B54D; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:13:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA26422; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:13:05 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from matey.apana.org.au(203.3.126.134), claiming to be "kurley" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdn26420; Sun Jun 25 09:12:49 2000 Message-ID: <003f01bfde32$c7cb8c40$867e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: , Cc: References: <14676.57961.22295.697102@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br> Subject: Re: Modem onboard Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:20:22 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As far as I'm aware ALL onboard modems are winmodems ... motherboards with onboard video / sound / modem / whatever are more often than not budget level things so you don't often get the best components in them. You might be lucky enough to get everything working, but I generally find it more straightforward to use a motherboard that allows me to select exactly what bits I want. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 2:31 AM Subject: Modem onboard > > Hi everbody, > > Are there any modems onboards that aren't winmodens, those i can > use with FreeBSD? > > Please, is very urgent, > > Thanks, > > Ata. > > PS: I'm sorry for the awful english :-/ > > -- > Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br > http://www.iqm.unicamp.br > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 16:17:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 715CE37B54D for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:17:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rd64pro@pacbell.net) Received: from ryan ([207.212.134.233]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0FWO005D1LZWPB@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:14:59 -0700 From: Ryan Subject: Re: SUNRPC on port 111 To: Eric Walters , "Freebsd Newbies (E-mail)" Reply-To: Ryan Message-id: <003901bfde32$04a95300$e986d4cf@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01BFDDF7.58107F40" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 References: <000001bfdde4$490a5880$453288cf@ewalters> X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BFDDF7.58107F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Eric, I asked this same question a few weeks ago. In fact, it was for the = exact same reason. Here are excerpts from various replies that I got: RPC stands for Remote Procedure Call; 'man -a rpc' will give you two manual pages to read. there are two general ways to start a daemon, on boot with rc (rc.conf, rc.local, etc) or with inetd.conf. you can disable it by adding a line to your /etc/rc.conf: portmap_enable=3D"NO" see: man rpc man rpc.statd Hope this helps, it did for me. Thanks again guys! Ryan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Eric Walters=20 To: Freebsd Newbies (E-mail)=20 Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 6:58 AM Subject: SUNRPC on port 111 I ran a port scan on my newly configured freebsd system and I have a = port 111 (SUNRPC) listed. Can anyone tell me what this is and if I can = shut it off. I am trying to make this system as secure as possible. Thanks, Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BFDDF7.58107F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Eric,
 
I asked this same question a few = weeks ago. In=20 fact, it was for the exact same reason. Here are excerpts from = various=20 replies that I got:
 
RPC stands for Remote Procedure = Call; 'man -a=20 rpc' will give you two
manual pages to read.
 
there are two general ways to start = a daemon,=20 on boot with rc (rc.conf,
rc.local, etc) or with = inetd.conf.
you = can disable=20 it by adding a line to your=20 /etc/rc.conf:
portmap_enable=3D"NO"
 
see:
man rpc
man = rpc.statd
 
Hope this helps, it did for me. = Thanks again=20 guys!
 
Ryan
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Eric=20 Walters
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 = 6:58=20 AM
Subject: SUNRPC on port = 111

I ran a port scan on my newly configured freebsd system = and I=20 have a port
111 (SUNRPC) listed.  Can anyone tell me what this = is and=20 if I can shut it
off.  I am trying to make this system as = secure as=20 possible.

Thanks,

Eric




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with=20 "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the=20 message ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BFDDF7.58107F40-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 19:54:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1310537B59D; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:54:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA41526; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:48:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200006250248.WAA41526@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "freebsd newbies" , "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Joe Warner" Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:49:45 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: <3954BC7E.BDBC36BE@uswest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Corporate list (was Manager's response re: FreeBSD) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:49:50 -0600, Joe Warner wrote: >Yeah, a FreeBSD-Corporate or FreeBSD-Business or FreeBSD-Atwork list would be a >good idea. I'm sure there are quite a few people out there that are facing >similar challenges. Keep me posted. Thanks. So far I have not seem much interest in this list or have got the response that "this is" advocacy. I will give it a few days. If I get no positive feedback I will create the list at Egroups. yeah.. yeah I know they run on Linux.. but hey if I can't have it on the FreeBSD lists.... at least they welcome it with open arms. :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 20: 6: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DAC637B623 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 20:05:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p131.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.131]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA70330; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 05:04:13 +0200 Received: from moritz (moritz [10.0.0.4]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05019; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 02:32:10 GMT (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 02:32:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Joe Warner Cc: freebsd newbies Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs CISCO In-Reply-To: <3954BAF5.29652D7B@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > company's continue to pay the big bucks for CISCO routers? Think, maybe wrong, that those machines have special chips, that can work better than ordninary general purpose PCs. But who needs this ? H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 20:58: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rmx460-mta.mail.com (rmx460-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7879037B6D7 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 20:57:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chat@soon.com) Received: from web421-mc.mail.com (web421-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.154]) by rmx460-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA16400 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <382351803.961905471316.JavaMail.root@web421-mc.mail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:57:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Arthur To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-WM-FaxTo: X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 203.117.33.24 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can anyone tell me how to pause or print those readings during kernel bootup. Thanks, Arthur ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 21: 6:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from itgnt1.innovativetec.net (c283817-j.btnrug1.la.home.com [24.13.205.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C220737B6D7 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:06:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mcthomas@mail.com) Received: from MCT450 (c283817-i.btnrug1.la.home.com [24.13.197.210]) by itgnt1.innovativetec.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id MZ051382; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:34:52 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Mark Thomas" To: "Arthur" Cc: Subject: RE: Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:50:33 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <382351803.961905471316.JavaMail.root@web421-mc.mail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You might find some of what you need here: dmesg > bootmessage.txt cat bootmessage.txt dmesg will create a file called bootmessage.txt or whatever you specify. you can use an editor or cat bootmessage.txt |more to page through the file after you create it. Hope this helps. MarkT Sweating my first Unix Install. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Arthur Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 10:58 PM To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Can anyone tell me how to pause or print those readings during kernel bootup. Thanks, Arthur ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 21:30:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f249.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4213837B708 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:30:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phrack_@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 1355 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jun 2000 04:30:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20000625043023.1354.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.88.215.140 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:30:23 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.88.215.140] From: "phrack_ p h r a c k" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: BitchX Dangerous? Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 04:30:23 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was recently informed that there was a way for a user to type a command(s) in BitchX and get a command line, i have a user acct on my box that defaults to BitchX when this user ssh's in, if i only want that user to use bitchX but am afraid that user knows far more than i and dont want to take the chance of something like that happening does anyone know where i could read up more on this and how to prevent it ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 21:59:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu10.smtp.email.msn.com [207.46.181.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D6237B636; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:59:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bonk1138@msn.com) Received: from lando - 63.15.0.172 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:59:23 -0700 From: "James Johnson" To: "phrack_ p h r a c k" , Cc: Subject: RE: BitchX Dangerous? Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:58:05 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000625043023.1354.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't know if that exists, but if you're worried the solution is simple: Don't use BitchX -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of phrack_ p h r a c k Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 9:30 PM To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: BitchX Dangerous? I was recently informed that there was a way for a user to type a command(s) in BitchX and get a command line, i have a user acct on my box that defaults to BitchX when this user ssh's in, if i only want that user to use bitchX but am afraid that user knows far more than i and dont want to take the chance of something like that happening does anyone know where i could read up more on this and how to prevent it ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 22:43: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hellasnet.gr (mail.hellasnet.gr [212.54.192.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D007337B836 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:43:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (ppp1.patr.hellasnet.gr [212.54.197.16]) by mail.hellasnet.gr (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA09679; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:42:02 +0200 (GMT) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e5OFMdb00900; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:22:39 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:22:39 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Joe Warner Cc: freebsd newbies Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs CISCO Message-ID: <20000624182238.A808@hades.hell.gr> References: <3954BAF5.29652D7B@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <3954BAF5.29652D7B@uswest.net>; from jswarner@uswest.net on Sat, Jun 24, 2000 at 07:43:17AM -0600 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3A 75 52 EB F1 58 56 0D - C5 B8 21 B6 1B 5E 4A C2 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jun 24, 2000 at 07:43:17AM -0600, Joe Warner wrote: > If you can take an old 386 or 486, install FreeBSD on it and turn it > into a cost effective,secure and highly configurable router, why then do > company's continue to pay the big bucks for CISCO routers? FreeBSD is an open source solution to the problem. CISCO's routers are supported by a commercial company. All the reasons that apply to the question "Why do companies still use closed source solutions, when we have {Free,Net,Open}BSD and Linux?" can be applied to this question too. Oh, and then there is support. I myself, being a FreeBSD user for almost a year now, know that the support from the BSD lists and the web sites dedicated to FreeBSD is excellent. What IT people want though is a company, a brand, a name that they can write in their agendas beside a phone number and rest in peace that when they have a problem, they will call that phone and get support. I am not arguing for IT people here, I strongly disagree with the way they take some decisions. But this is a fact, and I can not pretend that it does not happen. Another good reason is that CISCO's routers are dedicated machines built exactly with their role sas routers in mind. FreeBSD will be usually installed on a general purpose PC, and someone ought to decide what hardware to choose, etc. etc. All these decisions have been made for their customers by CISCO, and the time and research this saves them is what CISCO's customers pay the major bucks for. As an example consider this case. When you buy a CISCO 2500 router, you don't have to worry if it's IDE controller supports the UDMA hard-disk that you bought from your vendor. In fact, apart from some simple checks, you don't have to worry about hardware incompatibilities, and other suchs beasts, at all. Ciao. -- Giorgos Keramidas, < keramida @ ceid . upatras . gr > For my public key: finger keramida@ceid.upatras.gr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 24 22:53:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C10737B531 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:53:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31091; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:53:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <39559E6A.6F94FE7F@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:53:46 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0603 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mcthomas@mail.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DNS question: Domain Database References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For future reference, please send questions to -questions only, thanks. Mark Thomas wrote: > Date Time ns1 named[4693]: db.example.net:27:www.example.net: CNAME and > OTHER data error That tells you exactly what the problem is. You can have only CNAME entries for a given host, or you can have some combination of the other resource records. > www IN A 24.4.48.11 > www IN CNAME ns1.example.net. That's your problem. Also, I can pretty much guarantee that your MX records aren't doing what you think they're doing. You should really get a copy of DNS and BIND, 3rd Edition and read it cover to cover. Keep your zones simple, and make sure you know what each record is doing when you add it, then test with dig to make sure that what you wanted to change actually changed. Good luck, Doug -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message