From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 25 1: 2:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from Astrovan.cstone.net (astrovan.cstone.net [209.145.64.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F1A37B71E for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 01:02:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wer@cstone.net) Received: from cstone.net (bilmax.cho.cstone.net [209.145.79.244]) by Astrovan.cstone.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59789U13500L1350S0V35) with ESMTP id net; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 03:55:20 -0400 Message-ID: <3955BB7F.6A26C0CD@cstone.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 03:57:51 -0400 From: "William E. Reid" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mcthomas@mail.com Cc: Arthur , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org .....Also you guys can use your scroll lock key. -=Bill Mark Thomas wrote: > You might find some of what you need here: > dmesg > bootmessage.txt > cat bootmessage.txt > > dmesg will create a file called bootmessage.txt or whatever you specify. > you can use an editor or cat bootmessage.txt |more to page through the file > after you create it. > > Hope this helps. > > MarkT > > Sweating my first Unix Install. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Arthur > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 10:58 PM > To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: > > Can anyone tell me how to pause or print those readings during > kernel bootup. > > Thanks, > > Arthur > > ______________________________________________ > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 25 2:59:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from draenor.org (draenor.org [196.36.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D9437B933; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 02:59:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcs@draenor.org) Received: from marcs by draenor.org with local (Exim 3.14 #1) id 1369Bh-000FkY-00; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:58:49 +0200 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:58:49 +0200 From: Marc Silver To: phrack_ p h r a c k Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BitchX Dangerous? Message-ID: <20000625115849.L53435@draenor.org> References: <20000625043023.1354.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000625043023.1354.qmail@hotmail.com>; from phrack_@hotmail.com on Sun, Jun 25, 2000 at 04:30:23AM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It's quite simple to be able to break out a program like BitchX. I'm guessing, but a simple =1A should get the user out of it.... :) Then of course, they could always /exec which means they could execute something outside of BX. :) There are ways to limit this, but they all require quite a bit of work. Basically though... I don't think bitchx was designed to keep people out of shells... :) Perhaps look at chrooting the user and the process. :) Cheers, Marc On Sun, Jun 25, 2000 at 04:30:23AM +0000, phrack_ p h r a c k wrote: > I was recently informed that there was a way for a user to type a > command(s) in BitchX and get a command line, i have a user acct on my box= =20 > that > defaults to BitchX when this user ssh's in, if i only want that user to u= se=20 > bitchX > but am afraid that user knows far more than i and dont want to take the > chance of something like that happening does anyone know where i could re= ad > up more on this and how to prevent it >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 25 6:11: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net (mail.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D60A37B6AD for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:10:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 87986 invoked by alias); 25 Jun 2000 13:10:50 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 87962 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jun 2000 13:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.106.80) by mail.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 25 Jun 2000 13:10:49 -0000 Message-ID: <395603FB.44A0AC3D@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:07:07 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mcthomas@mail.com Cc: Arthur , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Also, if it's not completely necessary that you see these messages in real time (during boot up), you can also see them by displaying the appropriate log file in /var/log. Mark Thomas wrote: > You might find some of what you need here: > dmesg > bootmessage.txt > cat bootmessage.txt > > dmesg will create a file called bootmessage.txt or whatever you specify. > you can use an editor or cat bootmessage.txt |more to page through the file > after you create it. > > Hope this helps. > > MarkT > > Sweating my first Unix Install. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Arthur > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 10:58 PM > To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: > > Can anyone tell me how to pause or print those readings during > kernel bootup. > > Thanks, > > Arthur > > ______________________________________________ > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 25 6:57:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net (mail.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BA88A37B6B4 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:57:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 1291 invoked by alias); 25 Jun 2000 13:57:39 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 1277 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jun 2000 13:57:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.106.80) by mail.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 25 Jun 2000 13:57:37 -0000 Message-ID: <39560EF4.C3383FB3@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:53:56 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: freebsd newbies Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs CISCO References: <3954BAF5.29652D7B@uswest.net> <20000624182238.A808@hades.hell.gr> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------5C1166BF0816A3C4F03E37EE" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------5C1166BF0816A3C4F03E37EE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Sat, Jun 24, 2000 at 07:43:17AM -0600, Joe Warner wrote: > > If you can take an old 386 or 486, install FreeBSD on it and turn it > > into a cost effective,secure and highly configurable router, why then do > > company's continue to pay the big bucks for CISCO routers? > > FreeBSD is an open source solution to the problem. CISCO's routers are > supported by a commercial company. All the reasons that apply to the > question "Why do companies still use closed source solutions, when we > have {Free,Net,Open}BSD and Linux?" can be applied to this question too. > > Oh, and then there is support. I myself, being a FreeBSD user for > almost a year now, know that the support from the BSD lists and the web > sites dedicated to FreeBSD is excellent. What IT people want though is > a company, a brand, a name that they can write in their agendas beside a > phone number and rest in peace that when they have a problem, they will > call that phone and get support. I am not arguing for IT people here, I > strongly disagree with the way they take some decisions. But this is a > fact, and I can not pretend that it does not happen. > > Another good reason is that CISCO's routers are dedicated machines built > exactly with their role sas routers in mind. FreeBSD will be usually > installed on a general purpose PC, and someone ought to decide what > hardware to choose, etc. etc. All these decisions have been made for > their customers by CISCO, and the time and research this saves them is > what CISCO's customers pay the major bucks for. > > As an example consider this case. When you buy a CISCO 2500 router, you > don't have to worry if it's IDE controller supports the UDMA hard-disk > that you bought from your vendor. In fact, apart from some simple > checks, you don't have to worry about hardware incompatibilities, and > other suchs beasts, at all.- Yeah but isn't this what NetBSD is for? And > also, doesn't the fact that most IT managers believe that you get what you > pay for? In other words they might be thinking: "How can installing a free > OS on one of our old 386s or 486s be a good solution?" "Historically, > software that is free can't be that good." "We need to pay more for a brand > name solution and the support that comes with it, and since it's covered > under the support contract, if anything goes wrong, we only have to contact > one entity for help." In response to this kind of thinking, if a company's > main concern is support, what about the Technical Support Programs currently > being offered by BSDI? > http://www.BSDI.COM/services/support/freebsd-programs/ > > > Ciao. > > -- > Giorgos Keramidas, < keramida @ ceid . upatras . gr > > For my public key: finger keramida@ceid.upatras.gr --------------5C1166BF0816A3C4F03E37EE Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Giorgos Keramidas wrote:

On Sat, Jun 24, 2000 at 07:43:17AM -0600, Joe Warner wrote:
> If you can take an old 386 or 486, install FreeBSD on it and turn it
> into a cost effective,secure and highly configurable router, why then do
> company's continue to pay the big bucks for CISCO routers?

FreeBSD is an open source solution to the problem.  CISCO's routers are
supported by a commercial company.  All the reasons that apply to the
question "Why do companies still use closed source solutions, when we
have {Free,Net,Open}BSD and Linux?" can be applied to this question too.

Oh, and then there is support.  I myself, being a FreeBSD user for
almost a year now, know that the support from the BSD lists and the web
sites dedicated to FreeBSD is excellent.  What IT people want though is
a company, a brand, a name that they can write in their agendas beside a
phone number and rest in peace that when they have a problem, they will
call that phone and get support.  I am not arguing for IT people here, I
strongly disagree with the way they take some decisions.  But this is a
fact, and I can not pretend that it does not happen.

Another good reason is that CISCO's routers are dedicated machines built
exactly with their role sas routers in mind.  FreeBSD will be usually
installed on a general purpose PC, and someone ought to decide what
hardware to choose, etc. etc.  All these decisions have been made for
their customers by CISCO, and the time and research this saves them is
what CISCO's customers pay the major bucks for.

As an example consider this case.  When you buy a CISCO 2500 router, you
don't have to worry if it's IDE controller supports the UDMA hard-disk
that you bought from your vendor.  In fact, apart from some simple
checks, you don't have to worry about hardware incompatibilities, and
other suchs beasts, at all.- Yeah but isn't this what NetBSD is for?  And also, doesn't the fact that most IT managers believe that you get what you pay for?  In other words they might be thinking: "How can installing a free OS on one of our old 386s or 486s be a good solution?"  "Historically, software that is free can't be that good."  "We need to pay more for a brand name solution and the support that comes with it, and since it's covered under the support contract, if anything goes wrong, we only have to contact one entity for help."  In response to this kind of thinking, if a company's main concern is support, what about the Technical Support Programs currently being offered by BSDI?  http://www.BSDI.COM/services/support/freebsd-programs/


 
 

Ciao.

--
Giorgos Keramidas, < keramida @ ceid . upatras . gr >
For my public key: finger keramida@ceid.upatras.gr

--------------5C1166BF0816A3C4F03E37EE-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 25 9: 5:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522E337BBBB for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:05:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-225-24.s24.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.225.24] helo=beefstew) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 136EuN-0003lJ-00 for newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:05:21 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01bfdebf$41645f00$18e17ad1@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: Subject: ABIT VA6 motherboard AUDIO - help Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:05:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i am having a heck of a time finding out how to get my audio up and running. somebody in the questions group is trying to help me, but if anyone has an ABIT VA6 Motherboard w/the integrated sound chip and has got their sound workoing please email me! thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 25 12:29:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (server.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9877F37B536; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:29:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@baldwin.cx) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (root@john.geekhouse.net [192.168.1.18]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA41839; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:29:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@baldwin.cx) Received: (from john@localhost) by john.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03049; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:29:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john) Message-Id: <200006251929.MAA03049@john.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200006250248.WAA41526@sanson.reyes.somos.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Organization: BSD, Inc. From: John Baldwin To: Francisco Reyes Subject: Re: FreeBSD Corporate list (was Manager's response re: FreeBSD) Cc: Joe Warner , "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" , freebsd newbies Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 25-Jun-00 Francisco Reyes wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:49:50 -0600, Joe Warner wrote: > >>Yeah, a FreeBSD-Corporate or FreeBSD-Business or FreeBSD-Atwork list would be a >>good idea. I'm sure there are quite a few people out there that are facing >>similar challenges. Keep me posted. Thanks. > > So far I have not seem much interest in this list or have got > the response that "this is" advocacy. > > I will give it a few days. If I get no positive feedback I will > create the list at Egroups. yeah.. yeah I know they run on > Linux.. but hey if I can't have it on the FreeBSD lists.... at > least they welcome it with open arms. :-) Actually, in some areas they are switching to BSD. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 25 17:40:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA9437B5A7; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id UAA17235; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:39:57 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts001d39.mer-id.concentric.net (ts001d39.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.51]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id UAA28084; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 16:37:25 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Modem onboard In-Reply-To: <14676.57961.22295.697102@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm using a 28.8 US Robotics Sportster that works just fine. ML Duke > Hi everbody, > > Are there any modems onboards that aren't winmodens, those i can > use with FreeBSD? > > Please, is very urgent, > > Thanks, > > Ata. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 25 18:26:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711BC37B553 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:26:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ALAWSON1@email.mot.com) Received: [from pobox2.mot.com (pobox2.mot.com [136.182.15.8]) by motgate.mot.com (motgate 2.1) with ESMTP id SAA18829 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:26:40 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from zuk28exb01.ecid.cig.mot.com (zuk28exb01.ecid.cig.mot.com [175.12.130.200]) by pobox2.mot.com (MOT-pobox2 2.0) with ESMTP id SAA17862 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:26:40 -0700 (MST)] Received: by zuk28exb01.ecid.cig.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:26:39 +0100 Message-ID: <09C1525B7197D3118A4D0008C7E6EEE0020AC3@zuk28exm05.ecid.cig.mot.com> From: Lawson Andrew-ALAWSON1 To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: X Setup Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:26:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello I have an x-server problem. I'm moving from Linux to FreeBSD and I have an S3 Trio3D card. According to the XFree website this should be supported. Under Linux running XFree 3.3.5 I was able to run it at 1024*740 24bpp. I have cloned the setup under FreeBSD (XFree 3.3.6) and it will not start the X server at all. I have made sure that I have all the XF libs installed and I am using XF86Setup. I have also tries XF86Config but to no better result. I tried a little experiment, I installed Mandrake 7.0 which also has XFree 3.3.6 and it would not run either. I hope that someone can help. thanks Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 25 20:41:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from radius.city-guide.com (radius.cityisp.net [216.2.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0343A37B605 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:41:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@cityisp.net) Received: from tech140 (tech140.city-guide.com [216.3.179.140]) by radius.city-guide.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.181) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:52:48 -0400 Message-ID: <013601bfdf20$1643e8c0$8cb303d8@tech140> From: "Chris Lynch" To: References: Subject: Re: Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:39:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > You might find some of what you need here: > dmesg > bootmessage.txt > cat bootmessage.txt > or just type: dmesg | more later, Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 25 22:59: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from azazel.zer0.org (azazel.zer0.org [209.133.53.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06FDA37B665; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:58:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by azazel.zer0.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id WAA82662; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:57:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:57:57 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Francisco Reyes Cc: freebsd newbies , "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" , Joe Warner Subject: Re: FreeBSD Corporate list (was Manager's response re: FreeBSD) Message-ID: <20000625225757.C79299@azazel.zer0.org> References: <3954BC7E.BDBC36BE@uswest.net> <200006250248.WAA41526@sanson.reyes.somos.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200006250248.WAA41526@sanson.reyes.somos.net>; from fran@reyes.somos.net on Sat, Jun 24, 2000 at 10:49:45PM -0400 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2000-06-24 22:49 -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:49:50 -0600, Joe Warner wrote: > > >Yeah, a FreeBSD-Corporate or FreeBSD-Business or FreeBSD-Atwork list > >would be a good idea. I'm sure there are quite a few people out there > >that are facing similar challenges. Keep me posted. Thanks. > > I will give it a few days. If I get no positive feedback I will > create the list at Egroups. yeah.. yeah I know they run on > Linux.. but hey if I can't have it on the FreeBSD lists.... at > least they welcome it with open arms. :-) Creating it at eGroups wouldn't be such a bad thing. They run both Linux and BSD; some of their services require BSD boxes because the FreeBSD can handle much higher service loads than Linux. That said, I think that the list would serve a valuable purpose and should be on freebsd.org. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Heisenberg might have been here. mailto:gsutter@zer0.org http://www.zer0.org/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 25 23: 1: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from azazel.zer0.org (azazel.zer0.org [209.133.53.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA4237B709; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:01:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by azazel.zer0.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id XAA82737; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:00:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:00:58 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Joe.Warner@smed.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Manager's response re: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000625230058.D79299@azazel.zer0.org> References: <85256907.0071D89C.00@Deimos.smed.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <85256907.0071D89C.00@Deimos.smed.com>; from Joe.Warner@smed.com on Fri, Jun 23, 2000 at 02:45:04PM -0600 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2000-06-23 14:45 -0600, Joe.Warner@smed.com wrote: > > > Here's a response I got from one of my managers re: FreeBSD. Any comments > or replys would be welcome. Thanks. That is a more thoughtful, appropriate, and literate response than I have ever gotten from any of my handful-plus-one of managers. Congratulations on finding a really cool boss! Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter "Software is like sex; it's better mailto:gsutter@zer0.org when it's free." -- Linus Torvalds http://www.zer0.org/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 26 0:50:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rmx452-mta.mail.com (rmx452-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7F937BA68 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:50:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chat@soon.com) Received: from web304-mc.mail.com (web304-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.165]) by rmx452-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA05538; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 03:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <380916230.962005799933.JavaMail.root@web304-mc.mail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 03:49:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Arthur To: Warner Losh Subject: Re: Help needed for pccard.conf Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 203.117.33.24 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thank you for your respond,=20 The output of pccardc dumpcis ia as follow:- Code 135 not found Code 135 not found code Unknown ignored Configuration data for card in slot 0 Tuple #1, code =3D 0x1 (Common memory descriptor), length =3D 2 000: 00 ff =09Common memory device information: =09=09Device number 1, type No device, WPS =3D OFF =09=09Speed =3D No speed, Memory block size =3D reserved, 32 units Tuple #2, code =3D 0x15 (Version 1 info), length =3D 48 000: 05 00 50 43 4d 43 49 41 20 20 00 35 36 4b 20 56 010: 2e 39 30 20 46 61 78 20 4d 6f 64 65 6d 20 28 4c 020: 4b 29 20 20 00 46 4d 35 36 30 4c 4b 20 20 00 ff =09Version =3D 5.0, Manuf =3D [PCMCIA ],card vers =3D [56K V.90 Fax Modem = (LK) ] =09Addit. info =3D [FM560LK ] Tuple #3, code =3D 0x20 (Manufacturer ID), length =3D 4 000: 75 01 00 00 =09PCMCIA ID =3D 0x175, OEM ID =3D 0x0 Tuple #4, code =3D 0x21 (Functional ID), length =3D 2 000: 02 00 =09Serial port/modem Tuple #5, code =3D 0x22 (Functional EXT), length =3D 4 000: 00 02 0f 5c =09Serial interface extension: =09=0916550 UART, Parity - Space,Mark,Odd,Even, Tuple #6, code =3D 0x22 (Functional EXT), length =3D 9 000: 05 1f 1f 00 04 00 00 04 00 =09Modem interface capabilities: Tuple #7, code =3D 0x22 (Functional EXT), length =3D 9 000: 06 1f 1f 00 04 00 00 04 00 =09Modem interface capabilities: Tuple #8, code =3D 0x22 (Functional EXT), length =3D 12 000: 02 06 00 3f 1c 03 03 0f 07 00 01 b5 =09Data modem services available: Tuple #9, code =3D 0x22 (Functional EXT), length =3D 8 000: 13 06 00 1f 00 02 00 b5 Tuple #10, code =3D 0x22 (Functional EXT), length =3D 8 000: 23 06 00 1f 00 02 00 b5 Tuple #11, code =3D 0x1a (Configuration map), length =3D 5 000: 01 27 80 ff 67 =09Reg len =3D 2, config register addr =3D 0xff80, last config =3D 0x27 =09Registers: XXX--XX-=20 Tuple #12, code =3D 0x1b (Configuration entry), length =3D 19 000: cf 41 99 79 55 3d 86 46 26 4c aa 60 f8 03 07 f0 010: bc 86 28 =09Config index =3D 0xf(default) =09Interface byte =3D 0x41 (I/O) +RDY/-BSY active =09Vcc pwr: =09=09Nominal operating supply voltage: 5 x 1V =09=09Continuous supply current: 3.5 x 10mA =09=09Max current average over 1 second: 1 x 100mA, ext =3D 0x46 =09=09Max current average over 10 ms: 2 x 100mA =09=09Power down supply current: 4.5 x 1mA =09Card decodes 10 address lines, 8 Bit I/O only =09=09I/O address # 1: block start =3D 0x3f8 block length =3D 0x8 =09=09IRQ modes: Level, Pulse, Shared =09=09IRQs: 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 13 15 =09Max twin cards =3D 0 =09Misc attr: (Audio-BVD2) (Power down supported) Tuple #13, code =3D 0x1b (Configuration entry), length =3D 7 000: 17 08 aa 60 f8 02 07 =09Config index =3D 0x17 =09Card decodes 10 address lines, 8 Bit I/O only =09=09I/O address # 1: block start =3D 0x2f8 block length =3D 0x8 Tuple #14, code =3D 0x1b (Configuration entry), length =3D 7 000: 1f 08 aa 60 e8 03 07 =09Config index =3D 0x1f =09Card decodes 10 address lines, 8 Bit I/O only =09=09I/O address # 1: block start =3D 0x3e8 block length =3D 0x8 Tuple #15, code =3D 0x1b (Configuration entry), length =3D 7 000: 27 08 aa 60 e8 02 07 =09Config index =3D 0x27 =09Card decodes 10 address lines, 8 Bit I/O only =09=09I/O address # 1: block start =3D 0x2e8 block length =3D 0x8 Tuple #16, code =3D 0x0 (Null tuple), length =3D 7 000: 41 45 49 23 37 a1 00 Tuple #17, code =3D 0x14 (No link), length =3D 0 Tuple #18, code =3D 0xff (Terminator), length =3D 0 Configuration data for card in slot 1 Tuple #1, code =3D 0x1 (Common memory descriptor), length =3D 2 000: d4 3a =09Common memory device information: =09=09Device number 1, type Function specific, WPS =3D OFF =09=09Speed =3D 100nS, Memory block size =3D 8Kb, 8 units Tuple #2, code =3D 0x10 (Checksum), length =3D 5 000: 07 00 e8 00 6f =09Checksum from offset 7, length 232, value is 0x6f Tuple #3, code =3D 0x17 (Attribute memory descriptor), length =3D 2 000: d4 3a =09Attribute memory device information: =09=09Device number 1, type Function specific, WPS =3D OFF =09=09Speed =3D 100nS, Memory block size =3D 8Kb, 8 units Tuple #4, code =3D 0x14 (No link), length =3D 0 Tuple #5, code =3D 0x20 (Manufacturer ID), length =3D 4 000: 04 01 01 00 =09PCMCIA ID =3D 0x104, OEM ID =3D 0x1 Tuple #6, code =3D 0x21 (Functional ID), length =3D 2 000: 02 01 =09Serial port/modem - POST initialize Tuple #7, code =3D 0x22 (Functional EXT), length =3D 4 000: 00 02 0f 7f =09Serial interface extension: =09=0916550 UART, Parity - Space,Mark,Odd,Even, Tuple #8, code =3D 0x15 (Version 1 info), length =3D 59 000: 04 01 53 6f 63 6b 65 74 20 43 6f 6d 6d 75 6e 69 010: 63 61 74 69 6f 6e 73 20 49 6e 63 00 53 65 72 69 020: 61 6c 20 50 6f 72 74 20 41 64 61 70 74 65 72 20 030: 52 65 76 69 73 69 6f 6e 20 42 00 =09Version =3D 4.1, Manuf =3D [Socket Communications Inc],card vers =3D [Se= rial Port Adapter Revision B] =09Addit. info =3D [],[],[],[],[],[=80],[ - ],[ ],[],[],[],[],[],[],[],[0= ],[] Tuple #9, code =3D 0x1a (Configuration map), length =3D 5 000: 01 00 00 80 0f =09Reg len =3D 2, config register addr =3D 0x8000, last config =3D 0x0 =09Registers: XXXX----=20 Tuple #10, code =3D 0x1b (Configuration entry), length =3D 19 000: c1 41 99 49 55 2d 54 23 30 ff ff 20 c1 05 43 4f 010: 4d 58 00 =09Config index =3D 0x1(default) =09Interface byte =3D 0x41 (I/O) +RDY/-BSY active =09Vcc pwr: =09=09Nominal operating supply voltage: 5 x 1V =09=09Continuous supply current: 2.5 x 10mA =09=09Power down supply current: 5 x 1mA =09Card decodes 3 address lines, 8 Bit I/O only =09=09IRQ modes: Level =09=09IRQ level =3D 3 =09Max twin cards =3D 0 =09Misc attr: (Read-only) (Power down supported) Tuple #11, code =3D 0x1b (Configuration entry), length =3D 23 000: c3 41 99 49 55 2d 54 b0 60 f8 03 07 30 10 00 20 010: c1 05 43 4f 4d 31 00 =09Config index =3D 0x3(default) =09Interface byte =3D 0x41 (I/O) +RDY/-BSY active =09Vcc pwr: =09=09Nominal operating supply voltage: 5 x 1V =09=09Continuous supply current: 2.5 x 10mA =09=09Power down supply current: 5 x 1mA =09Card decodes 16 address lines, 8 Bit I/O only =09=09I/O address # 1: block start =3D 0x3f8 block length =3D 0x8 =09=09IRQ modes: Level =09=09IRQs: 4 5 12 =09Max twin cards =3D 0 =09Misc attr: (Power down supported) Tuple #12, code =3D 0x1b (Configuration entry), length =3D 23 000: c5 41 99 49 55 2d 54 b0 60 f8 02 07 30 08 00 20 010: c1 05 43 4f 4d 32 00 =09Config index =3D 0x5(default) =09Interface byte =3D 0x41 (I/O) +RDY/-BSY active =09Vcc pwr: =09=09Nominal operating supply voltage: 5 x 1V =09=09Continuous supply current: 2.5 x 10mA =09=09Power down supply current: 5 x 1mA =09Card decodes 16 address lines, 8 Bit I/O only =09=09I/O address # 1: block start =3D 0x2f8 block length =3D 0x8 =09=09IRQ modes: Level =09=09IRQs: 4 5 11 =09Max twin cards =3D 0 =09Misc attr: (Power down supported) Tuple #13, code =3D 0x1b (Configuration entry), length =3D 23 000: c7 41 99 49 55 2d 54 b0 60 e8 03 07 30 10 00 20 010: c1 05 43 4f 4d 33 00 =09Config index =3D 0x7(default) =09Interface byte =3D 0x41 (I/O) +RDY/-BSY active =09Vcc pwr: =09=09Nominal operating supply voltage: 5 x 1V =09=09Continuous supply current: 2.5 x 10mA =09=09Power down supply current: 5 x 1mA =09Card decodes 16 address lines, 8 Bit I/O only =09=09I/O address # 1: block start =3D 0x3e8 block length =3D 0x8 =09=09IRQ modes: Level =09=09IRQs: 4 5 12 =09Max twin cards =3D 0 =09Misc attr: (Power down supported) Tuple #14, code =3D 0x1b (Configuration entry), length =3D 23 000: c9 41 99 49 55 2d 54 b0 60 e8 02 07 30 08 00 20 010: c1 05 43 4f 4d 34 00 =09Config index =3D 0x9(default) =09Interface byte =3D 0x41 (I/O) +RDY/-BSY active =09Vcc pwr: =09=09Nominal operating supply voltage: 5 x 1V =09=09Continuous supply current: 2.5 x 10mA =09=09Power down supply current: 5 x 1mA =09Card decodes 16 address lines, 8 Bit I/O only =09=09I/O address # 1: block start =3D 0x2e8 block length =3D 0x8 =09=09IRQ modes: Level =09=09IRQs: 4 5 11 =09Max twin cards =3D 0 =09Misc attr: (Power down supported) Tuple #15, code =3D 0x1b (Configuration entry), length =3D 18 000: c0 40 e1 49 55 2d 54 48 01 80 00 20 c1 04 4d 45 010: 4d 00 =09Config index =3D 0x0(default) =09Interface byte =3D 0x40 (memory) +RDY/-BSY active =09Vcc pwr: =09=09Nominal operating supply voltage: 5 x 1V =09=09Continuous supply current: 2.5 x 10mA =09=09Power down supply current: 5 x 1mA =09Memory descriptor 1 =09=09 blk length =3D 0x100 card addr =3D 0x8000 =09Max twin cards =3D 0 =09Misc attr: (Power down supported) Tuple #16, code =3D 0xff (Terminator), length =3D 0 2 slots found ------Original Message------ From: Warner Losh To: Arthur Sent: June 26, 2000 5:46:53 AM GMT Subject: Re: Help needed for pccard.conf In message <383725772.961989840264.JavaMail.root@web142-mc.mail.com> Arthur= writes: : Prolink v.90 pcmcia modem (model no.:1456c) : Socket Communications Inc - Serial Port Adapter Revision B :=20 : Thanking You in Advance As root: =09pccardc dumpcis And send me the output. I'll then show you how to construct an entry. Hmmm, maybe I'll turn this into a handbook section or Daemon daily news piece. Warner ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=3Dsignup To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 26 4:28:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8E637BA22; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:28:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA25695; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:21:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200006261121.HAA25695@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Gregory Sutter" Cc: "freebsd newbies" , "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Joe Warner" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:20:14 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: <20000625225757.C79299@azazel.zer0.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Corporate list (was Manager's response re: FreeBSD) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:57:57 -0700, Gregory Sutter wrote: >That said, I think that the list would serve a valuable purpose and >should be on freebsd.org. I am all for it, but it is not up to me. I already send a note to jmb (Jonathan Bresler) about it. Unless there is someone else I should send this request to, there is not much else I can do. I am waiting until wednesday. Don't know if it's a matter of just giving it more time.. Francisco To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 26 5:25:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9F737B6A0 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:25:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Groupcolby@aol.com) Received: from Groupcolby@aol.com by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id n.6e.8c400d (4309) for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:25:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Groupcolby@aol.com Message-ID: <6e.8c400d.2688a5af@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:25:19 EDT Subject: Request info To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi - I am a newbie (newbie-newbie), does your organization have a newsletter for newbies like me? If so, how do I sign up? One last Question: What does "BSD" stand for? I found out about you through a search that said your system is used to run MSN - Hotmail.com. To me this makes your system better than MS. Thank You Jim Colby Groupcolby@aol.com and/or Jimmy2741@hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 26 5:45:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D62B637BD04 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:45:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 798 invoked by alias); 26 Jun 2000 12:45:10 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 781 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jun 2000 12:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.106.84) by slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 26 Jun 2000 12:45:09 -0000 Message-ID: <39574F76.5CA7FBB3@uswest.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:41:26 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Groupcolby@aol.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Request info References: <6e.8c400d.2688a5af@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------11E129C473808B3CF653A240" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------11E129C473808B3CF653A240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the only newsletter that I know about-->http://www.freebsd.org/register.html, though I don't think it's geared specifically towards newbies. You may want to start here--->http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html Also, in response to your question re: BSD, I'm quoting the first paragraph from p. xxix of The Complete FreeBSD by Greg Lehey: "FreeBSD is a high-performance operating system derived from the Berkeley Software Distribution, or BSD, the version of UNIX developed at the University of California at Berkeley between 1975 and 1993. FreeBSD is not a UNIX clone. Historically and technically, it has greater rights than UNIX System V to be called UNIX. Legally, it may not be called UNIX, since UNIX is now a registered trade mark of The Open Group." Joe Groupcolby@aol.com wrote: > Hi - I am a newbie (newbie-newbie), does your organization have a newsletter > for newbies like me? If so, how do I sign up? One last Question: What does > "BSD" stand for? I found out about you through a search that said your > system is used to run MSN - Hotmail.com. To me this makes your system better > than MS. > > Thank You > Jim Colby > Groupcolby@aol.com > and/or > Jimmy2741@hotmail.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message --------------11E129C473808B3CF653A240 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the only newsletter that I know about-->http://www.freebsd.org/register.html, though I don't think it's geared specifically towards newbies.  You may want to start here--->http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html  Also, in response to your question re: BSD, I'm quoting the first paragraph from p. xxix of The Complete FreeBSD by Greg Lehey:  "FreeBSD is a high-performance operating system derived from the Berkeley Software Distribution, or BSD, the version of UNIX developed at the University of California at Berkeley between 1975 and 1993.  FreeBSD is not a UNIX clone.  Historically and technically, it has greater rights than UNIX System V to be called UNIX.  Legally, it may not be called UNIX, since UNIX is now a registered trade mark of The Open Group."

Joe
 

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"BSD" stand for?  I found out about you through a search that said your
system is used to run MSN - Hotmail.com.  To me this makes your system better
than MS.

Thank You
Jim Colby
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--------------11E129C473808B3CF653A240-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 26 5:50:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web5305.mail.yahoo.com (web5305.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 34B3C37B54C for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:50:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from worldlybsd@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20000626125018.15208.qmail@web5305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [38.36.16.156] by web5305.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:50:18 PDT Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:50:18 -0700 (PDT) From: worldly BSD Subject: unable to login after changing shell To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org while reading the handbook i decided to change my shell by following the example " % chsh -s /usr/local/bin/bash" i was root at the time and everything seemed to go ok but now i can not login because of the following error "/usr/local/bin/bash: no such file or directory " any suggestion ? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 26 5:59:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sunburst.csfi.com (sunburst.csfi.com [204.1.38.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1519637B82E for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:59:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yong@csfi.com) Received: from yongdell (pc_yong [204.1.38.26]) by sunburst.csfi.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id IAA17765; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:58:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Yong Lim" To: "worldly BSD" , Subject: RE: unable to login after changing shell Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:59:11 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <20000626125018.15208.qmail@web5305.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org bash shell was not installed by default, you need to install that from the cd or from ports. Yong -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of worldly BSD Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 8:50 AM To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: unable to login after changing shell while reading the handbook i decided to change my shell by following the example " % chsh -s /usr/local/bin/bash" i was root at the time and everything seemed to go ok but now i can not login because of the following error "/usr/local/bin/bash: no such file or directory " any suggestion ? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 26 6:17: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from spectre.honk.org (cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.42.175.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA5E37BB2C; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:16:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from spectre.honk.org (mpoulin@spectre.honk.org [24.42.175.137]) by spectre.honk.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA16731; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:17:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:17:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some questions re: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20000624092439.A31497@physics.iisc.ernet.in> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org - M - On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > Daniel C. Sobral said on Jun 24, 2000 at 11:37:28: > > > * Because it isn't as forgiving of errors as Windows. > > I keep seeing this one and also "it's not as easy to administer as > Windows". Both of which are nonsense (imo). Any unix has so many > inbuilt safeguards that it's *much* more forgiving of errors than > windows -- with windows any user can easily screw up the whole > machine. And as for administration, how many people have an > unmaintained windows machine running for weeks, let alone months or > years? The way you use windows is to run it as for as long as it > works, and then reinstall. With that approach any OS is easy to > administer. I agree. I recently took a 3-day crash course in Windows 2000 administration, and I have to say that it's *scary*. If you don't plan properly, it's possible to sabotage your entire enterprise unknowingly, with one small design error. At least Unix gives you the flexibility to correct your mistakes down the road. M To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 26 7:33: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from belcebu.upc.es (belcebu.upc.es [147.83.2.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83EB37B792 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:33:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rvidal@mat.upc.es) Received: from mat.upc.es (mat.upc.es [147.83.39.3]) by belcebu.upc.es (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21688 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:32:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mat.upc.es (tkhead.upc.es [147.83.39.45]) by mat.upc.es (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27220 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:32:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3957698D.1C328433@mat.upc.es> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:32:45 +0200 From: Rafael Vidal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en-gb] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Looking for FreeBSD-3.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I would like to put FreeBSD-3.2 inside a PC with Linux. I've two questions: 1- Where can I find this "old" release? 2- There is any problem putting FreeBSD beyond 1024 (BIOS is really new)? Thansk for your help Rafael -- _____________________________________________________________________ OOO Rafael Vidal Ferre Tel +34-93-401-6013 Fax +34-93-401-5981 OOO Modul C3, Despatx 310 e-mail: rvidal@mat.upc.es OOO C/Jordi Girona, 1-3 WWW: http://www-mat.upc.es/~rvidal/ UPC Departament de Matematica Aplicada i Telematica Campus Nord Universitat Politecnica de Catalunya 08034 Barcelona Spain ______________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 26 7:58:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E751E37B692 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:58:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dasherma@ix.netcom.com) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ali-ca8-25.ix.netcom.com [209.110.225.217]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08718 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39576FAE.F0803835@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:58:54 -0700 From: Doug Asherman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: cvsup tags Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a real newbie question, but I hope it has a simple answer. If I use the tag RELENG_4 as my default tag for cvsup, will I get the source for 4.0-STABLE or 4.0-CURRENT? Thanks, Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 26 8:17:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.clinic.net (mail.clinic.net [206.183.147.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC8C37B81D for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:17:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@clinic.net) Received: from tony (lunar.clinic.net [207.228.203.249]) by mail.clinic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA13579 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:17:42 -0400 Message-ID: <006301bfdf81$ad000c60$0a00a8c0@ett> From: "Tony" To: Subject: MTU for ethernet cards Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:17:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01BFDF60.24E1DE60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01BFDF60.24E1DE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable any ideas what the predefined values are for ethernet cards....mine are = set to 1500 right now and seems a little low.... ed1: flags=3D8802 mtu 1500 ether 00:80:ad:c9:2f:69=20 ed0: flags=3D8843 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.0.100 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 ether 00:00:79:81:08:9c=20 tun0: flags=3D8051 mtu 1522 inet ***.***.***.***--> ***.***.***.***netmask 0xffffff00=20 ppp0: flags=3D8010 mtu 1500 lo0: flags=3D8049 mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01BFDF60.24E1DE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
any ideas what the predefined values = are for=20 ethernet cards....mine are set to 1500 right now and seems a little=20 low....
 
ed1: = flags=3D8802<BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST>=20 mtu 1500
        ether = 00:80:ad:c9:2f:69=20
ed0: flags=3D8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu=20 1500
        inet 192.168.0.100 = netmask=20 0xffffff00 broadcast = 192.168.0.255
       =20 ether 00:00:79:81:08:9c
tun0:=20 flags=3D8051<UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu=20 1522
        inet = ***.***.***.***-->=20 ***.***.***.***netmask 0xffffff00
ppp0:=20 flags=3D8010<POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
lo0:=20 flags=3D8049<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu=20 16384
        inet 127.0.0.1 = netmask=20 0xff000000
------=_NextPart_000_0060_01BFDF60.24E1DE60-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 26 8:24: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web5303.mail.yahoo.com (web5303.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2393A37B972 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:23:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from worldlybsd@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20000626152356.23495.qmail@web5303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.49.221.1] by web5303.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:23:56 PDT Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:23:56 -0700 (PDT) From: worldly BSD Subject: RE: unable to login after changing shell To: Yong Lim , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org is there someway to login so i can do this ? --- Yong Lim wrote: > bash shell was not installed by default, you need to > install that from the > cd or from ports. > > Yong > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf > Of worldly BSD > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 8:50 AM > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: unable to login after changing shell > > > while reading the handbook i decided to change my > shell by following the example > > " % chsh -s /usr/local/bin/bash" > > i was root at the time and everything seemed to go > ok > but now i can not login because of the following > error > > "/usr/local/bin/bash: no such file or directory " > > any suggestion ? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > the message > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 26 10: 1:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E59E837BABA for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:01:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10326; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:01:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <39578C6F.495221C1@gorean.org> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:01:35 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0603 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Asherman Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvsup tags References: <39576FAE.F0803835@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Asherman wrote: > > This is a real newbie question, but I hope it has a simple answer. > If I use the tag RELENG_4 as my default tag for cvsup, will I > get the source for 4.0-STABLE or 4.0-CURRENT? There is no more 4.0-Current. Think of the major version numbers like strings. A -Release is a single point on the 4.x string. Before the -Release, the string has the name "4.0-STABLE". At the exact moment of the release (signified by the laying down of the release tag on that branch) it's called "4.x-RELEASE", then once the release engineering is done, that same thread is referred to as -Stable again. It's all the same thread, just different names for different points in time. The -Current branch always refers to the chaotic, likely to break developer branch. Once a release is cut on the development branch, it splits off into it's own "thread," as happened with 4.0 and 5.0 recently. Hope this helps, Doug -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 26 10:57: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.aracnet.com (mail2.aracnet.com [216.99.193.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8744437B7DB; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:56:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by mail2.aracnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16072; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:56:58 -0700 Received: by shell1.aracnet.com (8.9.3) id KAA22677; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:56:54 -0700 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:56:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hamell To: Yong Lim Cc: worldly BSD , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: unable to login after changing shell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > bash shell was not installed by default, you need to install that from the > cd or from ports. Umm... NO....! This is why questions are not supposed to be asked on -newbies. You're going to have to reboot the system into single user mode, mount the drive then change the shell. I don't know the exact commands, but if you search the mailing archive, or ask in -questions somebody a little more experienced will be able to help you. Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 26 11: 1: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from calvin.hannover.sgh-net.de (calvin.hannover.sgh-net.de [212.86.129.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B183D37BD1D for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:00:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from puma@hannover.sgh-net.de) Received: from go.hannover.sgh-net.de [::ffff:212.86.129.147] by calvin.hannover.sgh-net.de with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #5) id 136dBo-0006tr-00; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:00:56 +0000 Received: from home2 (pppa44.hannover.sgh-net.de [193.218.208.44]) by go.hannover.sgh-net.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA02224; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:00:44 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000626200003.00930df0@pop3.hannover.sgh-net.de> X-Sender: puma@pop3.hannover.sgh-net.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:00:03 +0100 To: Gregory Sutter From: Alfred Breull Subject: Re: FreeBSD Corporate list (was Manager's response re: FreeBSD) Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20000625225757.C79299@azazel.zer0.org> References: <200006250248.WAA41526@sanson.reyes.somos.net> <3954BC7E.BDBC36BE@uswest.net> <200006250248.WAA41526@sanson.reyes.somos.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 22:57 25.06.00 -0700, Gregory S. Sutter wrote: [snip] >Creating it at eGroups wouldn't be such a bad thing. [snip] Aren't some eGroup memberships related to cookie and/or java acceptance, while others (yahoo, excite etc) forward visitor information to business partners ? Interested visitors may not agree ? Alf To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 26 11: 7:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA84837BBB8; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:07:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA447E; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:08:44 -0700 Message-ID: <39579B45.9FAC1820@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:04:53 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some questions re: FreeBSD References: <85256907.0054D783.00@Deimos.smed.com> <39541EE8.EBD5BDDF@newsguy.com> <20000624092439.A31497@physics.iisc.ernet.in> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > Daniel C. Sobral said on Jun 24, 2000 at 11:37:28: > > > * Because it isn't as forgiving of errors as Windows. > > I keep seeing this one and also "it's not as easy to administer as > Windows". Both of which are nonsense (imo). Any unix has so many > inbuilt safeguards that it's *much* more forgiving of errors than > windows -- > ... I think you sidestepped the point. Windows will forgive you of your error and blithly go right ahead and destroy itself. In other words, Windows is not a "nagging" as Unix. A lot of people new to computers like and want this lack of nagging. When we were children our mothers kept nagging us to 'eat your vegetables.' We hated the nagging, hated the vegetables, and did not fully realize how important vegetables were. If we had a choice, we would have taken the motherly love and free dinners without the nagging. Well, Windows will give us the motherly love and free meals and it won't nag us to eat our veggies. Trouble is, Windows will cause will also give use scurvy! We find out way too late that we need to be nagged. Concrete example. Under X, if there is a serious server error, we will get dumped out to the command line and presented with a cryptic message. Under Windows, we will instead be presented with a popup dialog asking us if we wish to continue. I have to agree with the previous poster that Windows is very forgiving of errors and Unix isn't. But that is a Good Thing. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 26 11:25:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8B537B819 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:25:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA5034; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:27:28 -0700 Message-ID: <39579FA9.C11EC87F@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:23:37 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Warner Cc: freebsd newbies Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs CISCO References: <3954BAF5.29652D7B@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe Warner wrote: > If you can take an old 386 or 486, install FreeBSD on it and turn it > into a cost effective,secure and highly configurable router, why then do > company's continue to pay the big bucks for CISCO routers? I recently took a networking class with one of Cisco's people. Comparing FreeBSD to a $50,000 Cisco router is like comparing grapes to watermelons, and FreeBSD ain't the watermelon! The biggest thing that stuck out in my mind was that the high end Cisco routers will route at line speed or faster! (ponder that one for a while) Routing is not just software, it's also hardware. Your old 386 or 486 may be great for your small network, but they won't cut it in a several thousand node network. Cisco doesn't market its stuff to mom-and-pop ISP's. Their customers are the Fortune 500. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 26 11:40:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in (theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.71.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D75937B89F for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:40:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in) Received: (qmail 47743 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2000 18:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO theory3.physics.iisc.ernet.in) (qmailr@144.16.71.158) by theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in with SMTP; 26 Jun 2000 18:40:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 4843 invoked by uid 211); 26 Jun 2000 18:40:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 00:10:21 +0530 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: David Johnson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some questions re: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000627001021.B4789@physics.iisc.ernet.in> Mail-Followup-To: David Johnson , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG References: <85256907.0054D783.00@Deimos.smed.com> <39541EE8.EBD5BDDF@newsguy.com> <20000624092439.A31497@physics.iisc.ernet.in> <39579B45.9FAC1820@acuson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <39579B45.9FAC1820@acuson.com>; from djohnson@acuson.com on Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 11:04:53AM -0700 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.0-test2 i686 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Johnson said on Jun 26, 2000 at 11:04:53: > Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > > Daniel C. Sobral said on Jun 24, 2000 at 11:37:28: > > > > > * Because it isn't as forgiving of errors as Windows. > > > > I keep seeing this one and also "it's not as easy to administer as > > Windows". Both of which are nonsense (imo). Any unix has so many > > inbuilt safeguards that it's *much* more forgiving of errors than > > windows -- > > ... > > I think you sidestepped the point. Windows will forgive you of your > error and blithly go right ahead and destroy itself. Yes, I suppose that's what I really meant. The difference is "do your bidding and forgive you the error" versus "stop you shooting yourself in the foot and forgive you the error". Rahul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 26 19:14:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B2F6737B74C for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:14:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 2098 invoked by alias); 27 Jun 2000 02:14:17 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 2082 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jun 2000 02:14:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.105.149) by slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 27 Jun 2000 02:14:16 -0000 Message-ID: <39580D21.7C031D18@uswest.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:10:41 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd newbies Subject: Remote Connections Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please forgive me if this is a stupid question but when you connect to a FreeBSD machine remotely using telnet, what can you do on the system besides viewing the contents of files, using editors like vi, looking at system processes or reading and sending mail messages? Supposedly, one of the great things about a UNIX system is that multiple users can connect to it from remote locations and do work simultaneously. What work? Isn't there a way to be able to launch and use some of the neat applications that come with KDE, for example? Is there another way of connecting besides telnet, that would serve this purpose? I've set up some accounts on my FreeBSD box for people I work with but at the moment, I'm at a loss for showing them some neat things they can do. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks. Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 26 21:42:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt052n3e.san.rr.com (dt052n3e.san.rr.com [204.210.33.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D34B37B521 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:42:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt052n3e.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17978; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:42:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <395830B1.404E6F8D@gorean.org> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:42:25 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0603 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alfred Breull Cc: Gregory Sutter , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Corporate list (was Manager's response re:FreeBSD) References: <200006250248.WAA41526@sanson.reyes.somos.net> <3954BC7E.BDBC36BE@uswest.net> <200006250248.WAA41526@sanson.reyes.somos.net> <3.0.6.32.20000626200003.00930df0@pop3.hannover.sgh-net.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alfred Breull wrote: > > At 22:57 25.06.00 -0700, Gregory S. Sutter wrote: > [snip] > >Creating it at eGroups wouldn't be such a bad thing. > [snip] > > Aren't some eGroup memberships related to cookie and/or java > acceptance, while others (yahoo, excite etc) forward visitor > information to business partners ? FYI, you have the choice of what information of yours is shared with Yahoo!'s partners. You can find more information about this at http://docs.yahoo.com/info/privacy/ Doug -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 26 23:14:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f190.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C7DB37B99A for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:14:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ntvsunix@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 7286 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jun 2000 06:14:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20000627061451.7285.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.53.54.44 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:14:51 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.53.54.44] From: "Some Person" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Remote Connections Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:14:51 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Simplist way (for what you're looking for), would be VNC. Kinda like PC Anywhere for just about ANY from/to ANY platform - AND!!! IT'S FREE!!! Besides, Norton anything sucks!!! In other words, you want to run either X apps, or X Windows remotly, etc.. etc.. Then this is it, otherwise, look into Xwin32 also. OpenNT was another long time ago, dunno anymore... check out: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ > >Please forgive me if this is a stupid question but when you connect to a >FreeBSD machine remotely using telnet, what can you do on the system >besides viewing the contents of files, using editors like vi, looking at >system processes or reading and sending mail messages? Supposedly, one >of the great things about a UNIX system is that multiple users can >connect to it from remote locations and do work simultaneously. What >work? Isn't there a way to be able to launch and use some of the neat >applications that come with KDE, for example? Is there another way of >connecting besides telnet, that would serve this purpose? I've set up >some accounts on my FreeBSD box for people I work with but at the >moment, I'm at a loss for showing them some neat things they can do. >Any info would be appreciated. Thanks. > >Joe > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 26 23:37:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f153.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E76637BE83 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:37:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from midios3@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 18079 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jun 2000 06:37:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20000627063745.18078.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.66.101.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:37:45 PDT X-Originating-IP: [195.66.101.66] From: "Dimitrios T." To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: hamellr@aracnet.com Subject: no questions? Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 06:37:45 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Rick Hamell wrote: >Umm... NO....! This is why questions are not supposed to be asked >on -newbies. I thought -newbies was meant for newbies' questions.. If not, could anyone, explain to little me, what's the purpose of it? thanx, Dimitri ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 1:12: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74FFB37BE70 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:12:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rd64pro@pacbell.net) Received: from ryan ([207.212.134.233]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0FWT0096W03B0I@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:09:53 -0700 From: Ryan Subject: Re: no questions? To: FreeBSD-Newbies Reply-To: Ryan Message-id: <004501bfe00f$1303a340$e986d4cf@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01BFDFD4.667A11C0" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 References: <20000627063745.18078.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BFDFD4.667A11C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's apparent that you're new to the group. I mean no disrespect of = course; just that there is a regular posting (once a week? every two = weeks? something like that) that describes the ideal use of the = 'newbies' list. In fact, 'ideal' isn't exactly the right word. The = newbies list is intended especially for newbies (though anyone is = welcome, really) not so much as a question/answer environment, but as a = means of sharing resources. Since alot of people that are new to FreeBSD = are new to any flavor of UNIX (there are quite a few Windows/Linux = converts), they are probably also new to the whole documentation fiasco. = Since there aren't too many books on FreeBSD out there, and the man = pages can melt your brain if you put too much into them, this list = should be looked at as more of a 'community' than anything else. Rather = than asking for advice/help on a specific problem you're currently = experiencing, you might ask where to find a good general introduction to = UNIX. In any case, keep your 'questions' open and general. In contrast, = you should specific questions to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org . It = seems that alot of people are on both lists so it can get confusing and = sometimes cumbersome, but as a courtesy to those who aren't on both, = please keep the postings on the appropriate list.=20 I hope I haven't put you to sleep yet. Have a good one! You should run = into that regular posting I was talking about within the next week or = so. Or maybe someone out there would be nice enough to re-post it or = forward it to you. Ryan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dimitrios T.=20 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org=20 Cc: hamellr@aracnet.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 11:37 PM Subject: no questions? Hi, Rick Hamell wrote: >Umm... NO....! This is why questions are not supposed to be asked >on -newbies. I thought -newbies was meant for newbies' questions.. If not, could anyone, explain to little me, what's the purpose of it? thanx, Dimitri = ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at = http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BFDFD4.667A11C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's apparent that you're new to the = group. I=20 mean no disrespect of course; just that there is a regular posting (once = a week?=20 every two weeks? something like that) that describes the ideal use of = the=20 'newbies' list. In fact, 'ideal' isn't exactly the right word. The = newbies list=20 is intended especially for newbies (though anyone is welcome, really) = not so=20 much as a question/answer environment, but as a means of sharing = resources.=20 Since alot of people that are new to FreeBSD are new to any flavor of = UNIX=20 (there are quite a few Windows/Linux converts), they are probably also = new to=20 the whole documentation fiasco. Since there aren't too many books on = FreeBSD out=20 there, and the man pages can melt your brain if you put too much = into them,=20 this list should be looked at as more of a 'community' than anything = else.=20 Rather than asking for advice/help on a specific problem you're = currently=20 experiencing, you might ask where to find a good general introduction to = UNIX.=20 In any case, keep your 'questions' open and general. In contrast, you = should=20 specific questions to freebsd-questions@freebsd.o= rg .=20 It seems that alot of people are on both lists so it can get confusing = and=20 sometimes cumbersome, but as a courtesy to those who aren't on both, = please keep=20 the postings on the appropriate list.
 
I hope I haven't put you to sleep = yet. Have a=20 good one! You should run into that regular posting I was talking about = within=20 the next week or so. Or maybe someone out there would be nice enough to = re-post=20 it or forward it to you. <wink, wink, nudge, nudge>
 
Ryan
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dimitrios=20 T.
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 = 11:37=20 PM
Subject: no questions?

Hi,

Rick Hamell wrote:

>Umm... NO....! = This is=20 why questions are not supposed to be asked
>on = -newbies.

I=20 thought -newbies was meant for newbies' questions..
If not, could = anyone,=20 explain to little me, what's the purpose of=20 = it?

thanx,
Dimitri
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with=20 "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the=20 message ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BFDFD4.667A11C0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 1:14:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uranus.interscope.ro (ns.interscope.ro [193.226.188.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BAF37BEDD for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:14:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from KoronkaS@interscope.ro) Received: by URANUS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:10:58 +0300 Message-ID: From: Stefan KORONKA To: 'Joe Warner' , freebsd newbies Subject: RE: Remote Connections Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:10:57 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Please forgive me if this is a stupid question but when you > connect to a > FreeBSD machine remotely using telnet, what can you do on the system > besides viewing the contents of files, using editors like vi, > looking at > system processes or reading and sending mail messages? > Supposedly, one > of the great things about a UNIX system is that multiple users can > connect to it from remote locations and do work simultaneously. What > work? ANY kind of work; running vi, viewing files, reading mail, IS work. Of course, telnet is limited to "text mode", so only apps that use this mode can be used through telnet. If you want something more, like X apps running remotly, you have to use an X server, of course .. The server will run on your machine (that can be either some kind of unix - which is the nice way -, either some kind of win - and then you will need some kind of app that understand the X protocol). Through the X server, you can run X applications - like kde and oher stuff; the app will run on the remote machine, and will pop up the result on your machine. Stefan > Isn't there a way to be able to launch and use some of the neat > applications that come with KDE, for example? Is there another way of > connecting besides telnet, that would serve this purpose? I've set up > some accounts on my FreeBSD box for people I work with but at the > moment, I'm at a loss for showing them some neat things they can do. > Any info would be appreciated. Thanks. > > Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 1:37:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f59.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 204A737BECC for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:37:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from midios3@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 17086 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jun 2000 08:37:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20000627083751.17085.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.66.101.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:37:51 PDT X-Originating-IP: [195.66.101.66] From: "Dimitrios T." To: rd64pro@pacbell.net Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: no questions? Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:37:51 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org well, your post clarified it enough for me Ryan. I promise to the Unix Daemon that I won't be asking no questions here.. :o) thanx Dimitri ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 4:28:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981DF37BF7B for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:28:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p19.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.19]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA59388; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:26:56 +0200 Received: from moritz (moritz [10.0.0.4]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00283; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:31:43 GMT (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:31:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Joe Warner Cc: freebsd newbies Subject: Re: Remote Connections In-Reply-To: <39580D21.7C031D18@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > applications that come with KDE, for example? Is there another way of That need X, I presume. man X has the answer. There are also X-server for Windows. Star-Net has a 2 hour time limit demo. And see man xhost, if you want connect with your FreeBSD box into another Unix machine. xhost + or something better. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 5: 2:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rizla.energy.it (rizla.energy.it [212.51.128.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E4C37BE72 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:02:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from demanzano@playstos.com) Received: from sunshine (s52.mi.energy.it [212.51.129.115]) by rizla.energy.it (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id OAA28756 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:01:56 +0200 Message-Id: <200006271201.OAA28756@rizla.energy.it> From: "Alessandro de Manzano" To: "freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org" Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:04:45 +0200 Reply-To: "Alessandro de Manzano" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: max opened files Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks! I'm a quite new user of FreeBSD (both 3.4S and 4.0S), and yesterday a server of mine reported this: Jun 26 20:42:46 gandalf syslogd: /var/run/utmp: Too many open files in system Jun 26 20:42:46 gandalf /kernel: file: table is full Jun 26 20:42:47 gandalf syslogd: /var/run/utmp: Too many open files in system Jun 26 20:42:47 gandalf last message repeated 2 times ok, I had to increase this limit with sysctl(8). I guess it is one of this: (note: this is a 4.0S kernel) kern.maxvnodes: 8456 kern.maxproc: 532 kern.maxfiles: 1064 kern.maxfilesperproc: 1064 kern.maxprocperuid: 531 should be kern.maxfiles, right ? and what about maxfilesperproc, should I increase it too ? what is the limit ? 65535 ? How can I set this permanently in the kernel ? I did not found anything in the kernel config file... I think I should increase the maxproc value too... Thanks a lot! Alessandro de Manzano Playstos - TIMA S.p.A. Corso Sempione 63 20149 Milano, Italy tel.: +39-023314153 fax: +39-02315678 email: demanzano@playstos.com http://www.playstos.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 5:43:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6841837BFAC for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:43:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 6831 invoked by alias); 27 Jun 2000 12:43:35 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 6809 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jun 2000 12:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.105.187) by slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 27 Jun 2000 12:43:34 -0000 Message-ID: <3958A097.55C71BBF@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 06:39:52 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Some Person , Heiko Recktenwald , Stefan KORONKA Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Remote Connections References: <20000627061451.7285.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks guys! I was already aware of these types of programs and have experimented with several. X-WinPro works pretty good, even though it has a 30 min. time limit. I'll try some of the others you mentioned. I just thought that maybe there was another way of connecting besides telnet, that I had overlooked. Thanks for your help. Joe ============================================================== Simplist way (for what you're looking for), would be VNC. Kinda like PC Anywhere for just about ANY from/to ANY platform - AND!!! IT'S FREE!!! Besides, Norton anything sucks!!! In other words, you want to run either X apps, or X Windows remotly, etc.. etc.. Then this is it, otherwise, look into Xwin32 also. OpenNT was another long time ago, dunno anymore... check out: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ =============================================================== If you want something more, like X apps running remotly, you have to use an X server, of course .. The server will run on your machine (that can be either some kind of unix - which is the nice way -, either some kind of win - and then you will need some kind of app that understand the X protocol). Through the X server, you can run X applications - like kde and oher stuff; the app will run on the remote machine, and will pop up the result on your machine. Stefan ================================================================ That need X, I presume. man X has the answer. There are also X-server for Windows. Star-Net has a 2 hour time limit demo. And see man xhost, if you want connect with your FreeBSD box into another Unix machine. xhost + or something better. ================================================================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 9:43:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (mail3.aracnet.com [216.99.193.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCEA37C0B2 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:43:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23910; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:43:37 -0700 Received: by shell1.aracnet.com (8.9.3) id JAA03422; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:43:34 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:43:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hamell To: "Dimitrios T." Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: no questions? In-Reply-To: <20000627063745.18078.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >Umm... NO....! This is why questions are not supposed to be asked > >on -newbies. > > I thought -newbies was meant for newbies' questions.. > If not, could anyone, explain to little me, what's the purpose of it? That is part of the problem. If you read the First Aid kit post that Sue posts about once a month, it explains what this group is for. Essentially, questions are meant to be of a 'WHERE' to get help/information for those of us who maybe taking their first steps into FreeBSD/Unix. -Questions is for HOW questions. For instance, if I ask how to configure IPFW, that belongs in questions, but if I ask where to find more info, this would be the place. On the same token if I just spent 42 hours getting my DSL running with Natd and IPFW and want to tell others about it, this is the place. This is also the place to make suggestions on how to improve the newbie friendlieness of FreeBSD (though you'll most likely be told to go ahead and fix it. :) The reason why questions are not answered here is for the very reason I pointed out yesterday. Newbies haven't read all the documentation, they've not used the system a lot yet, they've not spent enough time reading -Questions to know what the common problems are. The question I refer to yesterday comes up about once every two weeks on -questions, and there are step by step instructions on how to fix that problem. The person who answered was wrong through simple ignorance, which I grant is not his fault. But if he'd learned a little bit more he would know that BASH is the default shell for root and should never, ever be changed under any Unix system. He was also not given any useful information on HOW to fix the problem. If that person was say a system admin new to FreeBSD and his job (and company!) rely upon that system being up... He could possibly lose his job because he was given the wrong information to attempt to fix a problem. Now, I'm not trying to put anybody down, I merely wish to preserve this group, it serves a useful purpose for the Newbie. But if the powers that be see to many questions being answered here, and worse yet answered wrong, they will remove this group, especially in light of how much trouble it was for Sue and others to create it in the first place. Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 10:19:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pineapple.theshop.net (pineapple.theshop.net [208.128.7.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B91037B9A0 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:19:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prpetitt@theshop.net) Received: from maxsmart.theshop.net (maxsmart.net-spys.org [208.128.13.19]) by pineapple.theshop.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15379; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:20:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.20000627121718.00af0b60@mail.theshop.net> X-Sender: prpetitt@mail.theshop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:19:59 -0500 To: Rick Hamell From: "Paul R. Petitt" Subject: Re: no questions? Cc: "Dimitrios T." , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <20000627063745.18078.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org And here I thought csh was the default shell for root? actually there is no real harm in changing root's shell (imho), If one boots into single user mode, you get plain old sh. At 09:43 AM 6/27/2000 -0700, Rick Hamell wrote: > > >Umm... NO....! This is why questions are not supposed to be asked > > >on -newbies. > > > > I thought -newbies was meant for newbies' questions.. > > If not, could anyone, explain to little me, what's the purpose of it? > > That is part of the problem. If you read the First Aid kit post >that Sue posts about once a month, it explains what this group is >for. Essentially, questions are meant to be of a 'WHERE' to get >help/information for those of us who maybe taking their first steps into >FreeBSD/Unix. -Questions is for HOW questions. > For instance, if I ask how to configure IPFW, that belongs in >questions, but if I ask where to find more info, this would be the >place. On the same token if I just spent 42 hours getting my DSL running >with Natd and IPFW and want to tell others about it, this is the >place. This is also the place to make suggestions on how to improve the >newbie friendlieness of FreeBSD (though you'll most likely be told to go >ahead and fix it. :) > The reason why questions are not answered here is for the very >reason I pointed out yesterday. Newbies haven't read all the >documentation, they've not used the system a lot yet, they've not spent >enough time reading -Questions to know what the common problems are. The >question I refer to yesterday comes up about once every two weeks on >-questions, and there are step by step instructions on how to fix that >problem. > The person who answered was wrong through simple ignorance, which >I grant is not his fault. But if he'd learned a little bit more he would >know that BASH is the default shell for root and should never, ever be >changed under any Unix system. He was also not given any useful >information on HOW to fix the problem. If that person was say a system >admin new to FreeBSD and his job (and company!) rely upon that system >being up... He could possibly lose his job because he was given the wrong >information to attempt to fix a problem. > Now, I'm not trying to put anybody down, I merely wish to >preserve this group, it serves a useful purpose for the Newbie. But if the >powers that be see to many questions being answered here, and worse yet >answered wrong, they will remove this group, especially in light of how >much trouble it was for Sue and others to create it in the first place. > > > Rick > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 10:20:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web5302.mail.yahoo.com (web5302.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4382237BA86 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:20:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from worldlybsd@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20000627172045.4138.qmail@web5302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [38.36.16.99] by web5302.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:20:45 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:20:45 -0700 (PDT) From: worldly BSD Subject: Re: no questions? To: Rick Hamell , "Dimitrios T." Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rick, Being that I am the person whom you are bashing, I would like to point out a couple of things. First, I have read, read and read. Such things as, Man pages, Greg's FreeBSD book and the Online Handbook. I do not recall reading where is the default shell ! Second, I am a system administrator and I know the importance of "helping yourself BEFORE asking for help". Third, FreeBSD is not an easy OS to install and learn on the fly. It requires alot of understanding that may or may not come easy to everyone and since there is not as many reading resources as other OS, I would think that the FreeBSD community would welcome new users their questions, no matter where they get posted. If the FreeBSD community wants to gain more users then this type of elitist attitude may have to get shelved. Yes, I understand that most people with an elitist attitude never see that they have one. --- Rick Hamell wrote: > > > >Umm... NO....! This is why questions are not > supposed to be asked > > >on -newbies. > > > > I thought -newbies was meant for newbies' > questions.. > > If not, could anyone, explain to little me, what's > the purpose of it? > > That is part of the problem. If you read the First > Aid kit post > that Sue posts about once a month, it explains what > this group is > for. Essentially, questions are meant to be of a > 'WHERE' to get > help/information for those of us who maybe taking > their first steps into > FreeBSD/Unix. -Questions is for HOW questions. > For instance, if I ask how to configure IPFW, that > belongs in > questions, but if I ask where to find more info, > this would be the > place. On the same token if I just spent 42 hours > getting my DSL running > with Natd and IPFW and want to tell others about it, > this is the > place. This is also the place to make suggestions on > how to improve the > newbie friendlieness of FreeBSD (though you'll most > likely be told to go > ahead and fix it. :) > The reason why questions are not answered here is > for the very > reason I pointed out yesterday. Newbies haven't read > all the > documentation, they've not used the system a lot > yet, they've not spent > enough time reading -Questions to know what the > common problems are. The > question I refer to yesterday comes up about once > every two weeks on > -questions, and there are step by step instructions > on how to fix that > problem. > The person who answered was wrong through simple > ignorance, which > I grant is not his fault. But if he'd learned a > little bit more he would > know that BASH is the default shell for root and > should never, ever be > changed under any Unix system. He was also not given > any useful > information on HOW to fix the problem. If that > person was say a system > admin new to FreeBSD and his job (and company!) rely > upon that system > being up... He could possibly lose his job because > he was given the wrong > information to attempt to fix a problem. > Now, I'm not trying to put anybody down, I merely > wish to > preserve this group, it serves a useful purpose for > the Newbie. But if the > powers that be see to many questions being answered > here, and worse yet > answered wrong, they will remove this group, > especially in light of how > much trouble it was for Sue and others to create it > in the first place. > > > Rick > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 10:34:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web5304.mail.yahoo.com (web5304.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BCC1137BE71 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:34:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from worldlybsd@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20000627173422.5153.qmail@web5304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [38.36.16.99] by web5304.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:34:22 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:34:22 -0700 (PDT) From: worldly BSD Subject: Re: no questions? To: Kenneth Wayne Culver Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kenneth, Thank you very much but the question has been answered. Unfortunately, I was already in the process of re-installing. No worries, it gives me a chance to update/change some stuff around. As for the "jumping down your throat", I think my reply to both the newbies and the questions list addresses this issue. Thank You once again, --- Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: > I didn't see what question you asked.. would you > mind asking me? I don't > know if I'll be able to help but I'm not gonna jump > down your throat the > way some of the people on the lists will.... > > > ================================================================= > | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best NT > upgrade | > | Unix Systems Administrator | ICQ #: 24767726 > | > | and student at The | AIM: muythaibxr > | > | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under > Construction) | > | College Park. | > http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/| > ================================================================= > > On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, worldly BSD wrote: > > > Rick, > > > > Being that I am the person whom you are bashing, I > > would like to point out a couple of things. > > > > First, I have read, read and read. Such things as, > Man > > pages, Greg's FreeBSD book and the Online > Handbook. I > > do not recall reading where is the default > > shell ! Second, I am a system administrator > MAC> and I know the importance of "helping > yourself > > BEFORE asking for help". Third, FreeBSD is not > > > an easy OS to install and learn on the fly. It > > requires alot of understanding that > may > > or may not come easy to everyone and since there > is > > not as many reading resources as other OS, I > would > > think that the FreeBSD community would welcome new > > users their questions, no matter where they get > > posted. > > > > If the FreeBSD community wants to gain more users > then > > this type of elitist attitude may have to get > shelved. > > Yes, I understand that most people with an elitist > > attitude never see that they have one. > > > > > > > > > > --- Rick Hamell wrote: > > > > > > > >Umm... NO....! This is why questions are not > > > supposed to be asked > > > > >on -newbies. > > > > > > > > I thought -newbies was meant for newbies' > > > questions.. > > > > If not, could anyone, explain to little me, > what's > > > the purpose of it? > > > > > > That is part of the problem. If you read the > First > > > Aid kit post > > > that Sue posts about once a month, it explains > what > > > this group is > > > for. Essentially, questions are meant to be of a > > > 'WHERE' to get > > > help/information for those of us who maybe > taking > > > their first steps into > > > FreeBSD/Unix. -Questions is for HOW questions. > > > For instance, if I ask how to configure IPFW, > that > > > belongs in > > > questions, but if I ask where to find more info, > > > this would be the > > > place. On the same token if I just spent 42 > hours > > > getting my DSL running > > > with Natd and IPFW and want to tell others about > it, > > > this is the > > > place. This is also the place to make > suggestions on > > > how to improve the > > > newbie friendlieness of FreeBSD (though you'll > most > > > likely be told to go > > > ahead and fix it. :) > > > The reason why questions are not answered here > is > > > for the very > > > reason I pointed out yesterday. Newbies haven't > read > > > all the > > > documentation, they've not used the system a lot > > > yet, they've not spent > > > enough time reading -Questions to know what the > > > common problems are. The > > > question I refer to yesterday comes up about > once > > > every two weeks on > > > -questions, and there are step by step > instructions > > > on how to fix that > > > problem. > > > The person who answered was wrong through > simple > > > ignorance, which > > > I grant is not his fault. But if he'd learned a > > > little bit more he would > > > know that BASH is the default shell for root and > > > should never, ever be > > > changed under any Unix system. He was also not > given > > > any useful > > > information on HOW to fix the problem. If that > > > person was say a system > > > admin new to FreeBSD and his job (and company!) > rely > > > upon that system > > > being up... He could possibly lose his job > because > > > he was given the wrong > > > information to attempt to fix a problem. > > > Now, I'm not trying to put anybody down, I > merely > > > wish to > > > preserve this group, it serves a useful purpose > for > > > the Newbie. But if the > > > powers that be see to many questions being > answered > > > here, and worse yet > > > answered wrong, they will remove this group, > > > especially in light of how > > > much trouble it was for Sue and others to create > it > > > in the first place. > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to > majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body > of > > > the message > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body > of the message > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 10:38:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from majordomo2.umd.edu (majordomo2.umd.edu [128.8.10.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2BEF37BE71 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:38:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from culverk@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac4.wam.umd.edu (root@rac4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.144]) by majordomo2.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20922; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac4.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA16236; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (culverk@localhost) by rac4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16232; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:38:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac4.wam.umd.edu: culverk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:38:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Wayne Culver To: worldly BSD Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: no questions? In-Reply-To: <20000627173422.5153.qmail@web5304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alright, I just hate to see people get turned off of FreeBSD because they ask a question on one of the mailing lists, and get yelled at about it... when all that's needed is a simple "sorry, I'll answer it this time, but next time you have a question of this nature ... please post here" or something similar. Just my 2 cents.... ================================================================= | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best NT upgrade | | Unix Systems Administrator | ICQ #: 24767726 | | and student at The | AIM: muythaibxr | | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under Construction) | | College Park. | http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/| ================================================================= On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, worldly BSD wrote: > Kenneth, > > Thank you very much but the question has been > answered. Unfortunately, I was already in the process > of re-installing. No worries, it gives me a chance to > update/change some stuff around. > > As for the "jumping down your throat", I think my > reply to both the newbies and the questions list > addresses this issue. > > Thank You once again, > > > --- Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: > > I didn't see what question you asked.. would you > > mind asking me? I don't > > know if I'll be able to help but I'm not gonna jump > > down your throat the > > way some of the people on the lists will.... > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best NT > > upgrade | > > | Unix Systems Administrator | ICQ #: 24767726 > > | > > | and student at The | AIM: muythaibxr > > | > > | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under > > Construction) | > > | College Park. | > > http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/| > > > ================================================================= > > > > On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, worldly BSD wrote: > > > > > Rick, > > > > > > Being that I am the person whom you are bashing, I > > > would like to point out a couple of things. > > > > > > First, I have read, read and read. Such things as, > > Man > > > pages, Greg's FreeBSD book and the Online > > Handbook. I > > > do not recall reading where is the default > > > shell ! Second, I am a system administrator > > MAC> and I know the importance of "helping > > yourself > > > BEFORE asking for help". Third, FreeBSD is not > > > > > an easy OS to install and learn on the fly. It > > > requires alot of understanding that > > may > > > or may not come easy to everyone and since there > > is > > > not as many reading resources as other OS, I > > would > > > think that the FreeBSD community would welcome new > > > users their questions, no matter where they get > > > posted. > > > > > > If the FreeBSD community wants to gain more users > > then > > > this type of elitist attitude may have to get > > shelved. > > > Yes, I understand that most people with an elitist > > > attitude never see that they have one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Rick Hamell wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Umm... NO....! This is why questions are not > > > > supposed to be asked > > > > > >on -newbies. > > > > > > > > > > I thought -newbies was meant for newbies' > > > > questions.. > > > > > If not, could anyone, explain to little me, > > what's > > > > the purpose of it? > > > > > > > > That is part of the problem. If you read the > > First > > > > Aid kit post > > > > that Sue posts about once a month, it explains > > what > > > > this group is > > > > for. Essentially, questions are meant to be of a > > > > 'WHERE' to get > > > > help/information for those of us who maybe > > taking > > > > their first steps into > > > > FreeBSD/Unix. -Questions is for HOW questions. > > > > For instance, if I ask how to configure IPFW, > > that > > > > belongs in > > > > questions, but if I ask where to find more info, > > > > this would be the > > > > place. On the same token if I just spent 42 > > hours > > > > getting my DSL running > > > > with Natd and IPFW and want to tell others about > > it, > > > > this is the > > > > place. This is also the place to make > > suggestions on > > > > how to improve the > > > > newbie friendlieness of FreeBSD (though you'll > > most > > > > likely be told to go > > > > ahead and fix it. :) > > > > The reason why questions are not answered here > > is > > > > for the very > > > > reason I pointed out yesterday. Newbies haven't > > read > > > > all the > > > > documentation, they've not used the system a lot > > > > yet, they've not spent > > > > enough time reading -Questions to know what the > > > > common problems are. The > > > > question I refer to yesterday comes up about > > once > > > > every two weeks on > > > > -questions, and there are step by step > > instructions > > > > on how to fix that > > > > problem. > > > > The person who answered was wrong through > > simple > > > > ignorance, which > > > > I grant is not his fault. But if he'd learned a > > > > little bit more he would > > > > know that BASH is the default shell for root and > > > > should never, ever be > > > > changed under any Unix system. He was also not > > given > > > > any useful > > > > information on HOW to fix the problem. If that > > > > person was say a system > > > > admin new to FreeBSD and his job (and company!) > > rely > > > > upon that system > > > > being up... He could possibly lose his job > > because > > > > he was given the wrong > > > > information to attempt to fix a problem. > > > > Now, I'm not trying to put anybody down, I > > merely > > > > wish to > > > > preserve this group, it serves a useful purpose > > for > > > > the Newbie. But if the > > > > powers that be see to many questions being > > answered > > > > here, and worse yet > > > > answered wrong, they will remove this group, > > > > especially in light of how > > > > much trouble it was for Sue and others to create > > it > > > > in the first place. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to > > majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body > > of > > > > the message > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > > anywhere! > > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body > > of the message > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 10:42: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F5337C177 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:41:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA214E; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:42:51 -0700 Message-ID: <3958E6B1.D6C3A5B2@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:38:57 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rick Hamell Cc: "Dimitrios T." , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: no questions? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rick Hamell wrote: > But if he'd learned a little bit more he would > know that BASH is the default shell for root and should never, ever be > changed under any Unix system. Whenever I install, it comes us with sh as the default. BASH is the GNU variation and extension to sh, and AFAIK it is only a default on (some)Linux and GNU systems, but not on FreeBSD, Solaris, IRIX, etc. Follow up discussion-type question (not a -HOW question): I routinely change my root default shell to tcsh or bash. What would be the consequences to this? Any scripts will still run because sh is still installed. Is this a security thing? David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 10:49:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from earth.wnm.net (earth.wnm.net [208.246.240.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD3C37C1A1; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:49:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@wnm.net) Received: from localhost (alex@localhost) by earth.wnm.net (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with ESMTP id e5RHrSd26994; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:53:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:53:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Alex Charalabidis To: worldly BSD Cc: Rick Hamell , "Dimitrios T." , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: no questions? In-Reply-To: <20000627172045.4138.qmail@web5302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, worldly BSD wrote: > Rick, > > Being that I am the person whom you are bashing, I > would like to point out a couple of things. > > If the FreeBSD community wants to gain more users then > this type of elitist attitude may have to get shelved. > Yes, I understand that most people with an elitist > attitude never see that they have one. > Now that you've cross-posted this to -questions, could the members of -questions please have the original question? -ac -- ============================================================== Alex Charalabidis (AC8139) 5050 Poplar Ave, Ste 170 Systems Administrator Memphis, TN 38157 WebNet Memphis (901) 432 6000 Author, The Book of IRC http://www.bookofirc.com/ ============================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 10:56:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F043537B55E for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:56:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA2AE4; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:58:28 -0700 Message-ID: <3958EA5B.D1E926ED@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:54:35 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Warner Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Remote Connections References: <20000627061451.7285.qmail@hotmail.com> <3958A097.55C71BBF@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe Warner wrote: > > Thanks guys! I was already aware of these types of programs and have > experimented with several. X-WinPro works pretty good, even though it has a > 30 min. time limit. I'll try some of the others you mentioned. I just > thought that maybe there was another way of connecting besides telnet, that I > had overlooked. Thanks for your help. Joe If you're connecting from another Unix machine, there are several ways besides telnet. rsh and rlogin or two of them. However, I understand that there are security issues with these and one should use ssh instead. I believe some form of ssh is available for Windows. I've never used any of the Window X-servers, but when connecting unix to unix you need to set your display variable and export the host (read the fine X manual). BTW, someone mentioned exporting the host with 'xhost +'. This is a big security no-no. It will allow anyone on the network to use the host display. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 11: 5:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.aracnet.com (mail2.aracnet.com [216.99.193.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA8337B55E for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:05:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by mail2.aracnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32672; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:05:53 -0700 Received: by shell1.aracnet.com (8.9.3) id LAA15378; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:05:50 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:05:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hamell To: worldly BSD Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: no questions? In-Reply-To: <20000627172045.4138.qmail@web5302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Being that I am the person whom you are bashing, I > would like to point out a couple of things. I am not bashing anyone. I am trying to preserve this group to it's orginal purpose. > First, I have read, read and read. Such things as, Man > pages, Greg's FreeBSD book and the Online Handbook. I > do not recall reading where is the default > shell ! Second, I am a system administrator not as many reading resources as other OS, I would > think that the FreeBSD community would welcome new > users their questions, no matter where they get > posted. In all things there is a proper time and place. Again, -Newbies is NOT the place to ask questions. I noticed that the orginal poster then posted his question in -questions AND got it answered less then five minutes after I sent my orginal Email out. In my mind, I've helped another newbie get to the right place to ask their questions AND get them answered by those far more experienced then myself. > If the FreeBSD community wants to gain more users then > this type of elitist attitude may have to get shelved. > Yes, I understand that most people with an elitist > attitude never see that they have one. Actually, I believe that you're suffering from a mis-perception now. FreeBSD has ALWAYS been about making an OS that runs stable and is powerful. Until recently, the 'FreeBSD Community' could have cared less about new users! This has only changed within the last two years or so when we've hit a critical mass of new users, who are falling into the old 'My OS is better then your OS so you must use mine' mindset. If that is an Elitist attitude, then so be it... these people are making FreeBSD to what they want it to be, to serve THIER purposes and NOBODY elses. BTW, this argument has been hashed to death on -chat. Now, I also agree with you! There needs to be two types of people in the FreeBSD Community. The Developers, Core Team members, coders, etc. Who make FreeBSD into what it is. Then there needs to be the religious zealots, people who push FreeBSD as 'THE' operating system. Without both types, FreeBSD as a World-Class operating system will fail. Just as long as everyone ralizes that there are some people who don't care, just as long as it does what they want it too! Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 11:42:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97CCF37BF1C for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:42:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA46C3 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:44:11 -0700 Message-ID: <3958F512.7FB51CA5@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:40:18 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RELEASE vs STABLE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there any paticular pressing need to use -STABLE versus -RELEASE? I followed the book last weekend and tried to upgrade from 4.0-STABLE to 4.0-RELEASE, and it cvsup'ed and built just fine. It would not install however. There were several errors in creating links, trying to install non-existant files, etc. After about an hour trying get get it installed, I gave up. At that time I figured it good enough to stick with -RELEASE. But now I'm wondering if this is the proper attitude. So how important is -STABLE? David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 11:58:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A392F37B7FD for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:58:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Joe.Warner@smed.com) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8557F161D3 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10328 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:58:09 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:58:02 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525690B.0068234A ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:57:27 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: "Some Person" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <8525690B.0068222E.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:59:02 -0600 Subject: Re: Remote Connections MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey, I downloaded and installed the VNC server on my FreeBSD box and the VNC client on my WIN NT machine. It really works great! I've given some of the people that have accounts on the FreeBSD box, the VNC client, so they can install it on their machines as well. I gave everyone a demonstration on it and they all thought it was pretty cool. Thanks for the tip! 8^) Joe |--------+-----------------------> | | "Some Person"| | | | | | | | | 06/27/00 | | | 12:14 AM | | | | |--------+-----------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG | | cc: (bcc: Joe Warner/SMS) | | Subject: Re: Remote Connections | >--------------------------------------------------------| Simplist way (for what you're looking for), would be VNC. Kinda like PC Anywhere for just about ANY from/to ANY platform - AND!!! IT'S FREE!!! Besides, Norton anything sucks!!! In other words, you want to run either X apps, or X Windows remotly, etc.. etc.. Then this is it, otherwise, look into Xwin32 also. OpenNT was another long time ago, dunno anymore... check out: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ > >Please forgive me if this is a stupid question but when you connect to a >FreeBSD machine remotely using telnet, what can you do on the system >besides viewing the contents of files, using editors like vi, looking at >system processes or reading and sending mail messages? Supposedly, one >of the great things about a UNIX system is that multiple users can >connect to it from remote locations and do work simultaneously. What >work? Isn't there a way to be able to launch and use some of the neat >applications that come with KDE, for example? Is there another way of >connecting besides telnet, that would serve this purpose? I've set up >some accounts on my FreeBSD box for people I work with but at the >moment, I'm at a loss for showing them some neat things they can do. >Any info would be appreciated. Thanks. > >Joe > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 12: 0:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D115D37C1E1 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:59:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA29474; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:59:21 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts005d33.mer-id.concentric.net (ts005d33.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.237]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id OAA13302; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:56:57 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: Kenneth Wayne Culver Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: no questions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Beans no questions. I've asked questions & received answers and answered questions and everyone here knows who we are and that the "answers" are not the gospel but perhaps worth a try and the proof is in the pudding of giving whatever answer a shot. Questions posted on "questions" are like as not to get a newbie flamed until the newbie learns to post them "correctly," whereas here it's informal and does not strike fear into the one asking the question. The only consistent objector to questions on this list seems to be Sue Blake (others get it from her) and if she wants to bounce me from the list--so be it. I've been operating FBSD successfully for several years (some of us are not so new) and I can live without the list--my purpose, when the time is available, is to watch for questions I can answer correctly which, as my Unix Mentor says, is "appropriate payback". Someone on this thread asked if questions are not allowed what in the world is the list for in the first place and I wholly agree and asked the same questions myself a few years ago. Sure, I've posted a few success notes and a few blooper notes, but in the end such is a waste of time. ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 12: 5:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from majordomo2.umd.edu (majordomo2.umd.edu [128.8.10.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA55337B685 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:05:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from culverk@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac4.wam.umd.edu (root@rac4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.144]) by majordomo2.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25689; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac4.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA28267; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (culverk@localhost) by rac4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28259; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:05:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac4.wam.umd.edu: culverk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:05:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Wayne Culver To: ML Duke Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: no questions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just don't think people should be flamed when they really don't know what list to post to... just tell them nicely which list to post to.. .and if you know the answer to their questions, answer them. ================================================================= | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best NT upgrade | | Unix Systems Administrator | ICQ #: 24767726 | | and student at The | AIM: muythaibxr | | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under Construction) | | College Park. | http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/| ================================================================= On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, ML Duke wrote: > Beans no questions. > I've asked questions & received answers and answered questions and > everyone here knows who we are and that the "answers" are not > the gospel but perhaps worth a try and the proof is in the pudding > of giving whatever answer a shot. > > Questions posted on "questions" are like as not to get a newbie > flamed until the newbie learns to post them "correctly," whereas > here it's informal and does not strike fear into the one asking > the question. > > The only consistent objector to questions on this list seems to > be Sue Blake (others get it from her) and if she wants to bounce > me from the list--so be it. I've been operating FBSD successfully > for several years (some of us are not so new) and I can live without > the list--my purpose, when the time is available, is to watch for > questions I can answer correctly which, as my Unix Mentor says, > is "appropriate payback". > > Someone on this thread asked if questions are not allowed what in > the world is the list for in the first place and I wholly agree > and asked the same questions myself a few years ago. > > Sure, I've posted a few success notes and a few blooper notes, > but in the end such is a waste of time. > > ML Duke > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 13:14:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hmp.net (core.hmp.net [207.226.50.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F161F37C277 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:14:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maksnow@hmp.net) Received: from default (port9.fairfax.hmp.net [207.226.50.29]) by hmp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C059850839 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005201bfe00f$9513d760$1d32e2cf@default> From: "Ski Bum" To: Subject: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:13:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01BFDFEE.0CC4D560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01BFDFEE.0CC4D560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have seen a list of e-mail addresses published on this site. 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I have seen a list of e-mail addresses published on = this site.=20 Can I assume that I am free to contact any of those people directly via = e-mail=20 if I desire to contact them about any subject I = have?
------=_NextPart_000_004F_01BFDFEE.0CC4D560-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 18:39:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8023637BF53 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:39:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 216-164-227-87.s595.tnt5.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.227.87] helo=beefstew) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 1376p7-0006NV-00; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:39:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bfe0a1$cb74d010$57e3a4d8@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: "ML Duke" Cc: References: Subject: Re: no questions? Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:40:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Beans no questions. Right-on bro! I have learned ALOT from asking and getting answers to questions in this forum. A certain sensibility clicks in - If it gets too "nuts and volts" I bolt to the questions forum. Don't worry it's self-regulating - give us freedom - we won't sin too much. > I've asked questions & received answers and answered questions and > everyone here knows who we are and that the "answers" are not > the gospel but perhaps worth a try and the proof is in the pudding > of giving whatever answer a shot. > > Questions posted on "questions" are like as not to get a newbie > flamed until the newbie learns to post them "correctly," whereas > here it's informal and does not strike fear into the one asking > the question. > > The only consistent objector to questions on this list seems to > be Sue Blake (others get it from her) and if she wants to bounce > me from the list--so be it. I've been operating FBSD successfully > for several years (some of us are not so new) and I can live without > the list--my purpose, when the time is available, is to watch for > questions I can answer correctly which, as my Unix Mentor says, > is "appropriate payback". Bless you. > > Someone on this thread asked if questions are not allowed what in > the world is the list for in the first place and I wholly agree > and asked the same questions myself a few years ago. > > Sure, I've posted a few success notes and a few blooper notes, > but in the end such is a waste of time. > > ML Duke > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 18:55:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darkstar.qx.net (www.squarefish.com [208.235.88.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4A937BCA3 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:55:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sjc@qx.net) Received: from mail2.qx.net (mail.qx.net [208.235.88.233]) by darkstar.qx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24823 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:55:28 -0400 From: sjc@qx.net Received: from mail.qx.net ([208.235.88.43]) by mail2.qx.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA3961; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:53:22 -0400 To: dionysos3@visto.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD installation with Linksys LNE100TX NIC Date: Tue, Jun 27 2000 21:55:28 GMT-0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <7736895114CA.AAA3961@mail2.qx.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org James, After a couple more glitches (needed to use passive FTP to get past my OpenBSD firewall, etc.) I successfully got FreeBSD installed, X running, and a variety of other successes (HTTP browsing through the OpenBSD firewall worked out of the box). I just wanted to let you know that you have my most sincere gratitude for your direct and courteous response, and have helped make my first FreeBSD experience a joy. Just thought you might like to know. Thanks, Steven Curtis > >From: "James Shrenk" >Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:10:05 -0700 >To: sjc@qx.net, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: FreeBSD installation with Linksys LNE100TX NIC > >The message is perfectly placed. The Linksys Card is a PCI device and therefore the driver will load up automatically without any initial configuration. The only configuration necessary is to configure the network device settings before installation (IP, DNS, etc). > >James > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sjc@qx.net >Sent: Mon, Jun 26 2000 13:54:50 GMT-0400 >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >CC: >Subject: FreeBSD installation with Linksys LNE100TX NIC > > >I am new to these lists, so let me know if this message is misplaced. > >I am trying to install FreeBSD 4.0 RELEASE on an AMD 550 based system with a Linksys LNE100TX NIC. I have read that /dev/pn0 communicates with this hardware device, however when I get to the hardware configuration phase of the installation, that device is not listed. A variaty of other NIC devices are available with their drivers loaded, none of which are installed in the machine. > >I am attempting an FTP install which will be shortlived unless I can activate the Linksys card. What am I missing? > >Thanks for any help. >Steve Curtis > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Visit http://www.visto.com/info, your free web-based communications center. >Visto.com. Life on the Dot. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 27 20:40:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt052n3e.san.rr.com (dt052n3e.san.rr.com [204.210.33.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560C137C56D for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:40:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from slave (doug@slave [10.0.0.1]) by dt052n3e.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32778; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:40:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:40:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton X-Sender: doug@dt052n3e.san.rr.com To: sjc@qx.net Cc: dionysos3@visto.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD installation with Linksys LNE100TX NIC In-Reply-To: <7736895114CA.AAA3961@mail2.qx.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 sjc@qx.net wrote: > James, > > After a couple more glitches (needed to use passive FTP to get past my OpenBSD firewall, etc.) I successfully got FreeBSD installed, X running, and a variety of other successes (HTTP browsing through the OpenBSD firewall worked out of the box). I just wanted to let you know that you have my most sincere gratitude for your direct and courteous response, and have helped make my first FreeBSD experience a joy. Just thought you might like to know. We appreciate the kind words... we hear enough of the other kind already. :) Good luck, Doug PS, you might want to set your mail client to wrap outgoing mail at 75 columns. -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 28 0:55:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sentry.granch.ru (sentry.granch.ru [212.20.5.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E7137B5EC; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:55:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shelton@sentry.granch.ru) Received: (from shelton@localhost) by sentry.granch.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22460; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:55:52 +0700 (NOVST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:55:52 +0700 (NOVST) Reply-To: "Rashid N. Achilov" Organization: Granch Ltd. From: "Rashid N. Achilov" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: load balancing Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We have two Internet providers through leased lines at 64k and 128k respectively. This lines goes through one FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE server. What can I make channels load balancing? (When first channel is using more than second, all traffic goes through second and vice versa...) Change FreeBSD to something else don't offer. -- With Best Regards. Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Cert. ID: 28514, Granch Ltd. lead engineer e-mail: achilov@granch.ru, tel (383-2) 24-2363 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 28 1:56: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uranus.interscope.ro (ns.interscope.ro [193.226.188.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA7937B7AD for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:56:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from KoronkaS@interscope.ro) Received: by URANUS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:53:16 +0300 Message-ID: From: Stefan KORONKA To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: 'David Johnson' Subject: RE: RELEASE vs STABLE Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:53:11 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Is there any paticular pressing need to use -STABLE versus -RELEASE? I > followed the book last weekend and tried to upgrade from 4.0-STABLE to > 4.0-RELEASE, you mean from release to stable :) > and it cvsup'ed and built just fine. It would not install > however. There were several errors in creating links, trying > to install > non-existant files, etc. After about an hour trying get get it > installed, I gave up. > > At that time I figured it good enough to stick with -RELEASE. But now > I'm wondering if this is the proper attitude. So how important is > -STABLE? well, my (particular) opinion is that: if it works, why bother ?! If you use it for workstation (and I guess you do) and not for a real server, it will work just fine, and most probably you won't feel the difference. However, if your system crashed (and I never seen BSD crashed :), or you want to experiment, or you want to be up-to-date, you might may consider upgrade to stable. Stefan > > David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 28 7:50:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sentry.granch.ru (sentry.granch.ru [212.20.5.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E47F037B5B6 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:50:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shelton@sentry.granch.ru) Received: (from shelton@localhost) by sentry.granch.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23461 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:50:50 +0700 (NOVST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:50:50 +0700 (NOVST) Reply-To: "Rashid N. Achilov" Organization: Granch Ltd. From: "Rashid N. Achilov" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: dummynet configurations Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I want to set up traffic shaper through DUMMYNET on one from my server's interfaces with simulating 9600 bps. Can you advise me delay time from this speed, packet queue size, and explain if I need NMBCLUSERS in kernel config, or no. Thank you for advice. -- With Best Regards. Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Cert. ID: 28514, Granch Ltd. lead engineer e-mail: achilov@granch.ru, tel (383-2) 24-2363 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 28 16:17:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from racine.cybercable.fr (racine.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2FC7637C2CF for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:17:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@gits.dyndns.org) Received: (qmail 1589057 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2000 23:16:53 -0000 Received: from r224m65.cybercable.tm.fr (HELO gits.dyndns.org) ([195.132.224.65]) (envelope-sender ) by racine.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 28 Jun 2000 23:16:53 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by gits.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12661; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:16:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from root) Posted-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:16:53 +0200 (CEST) To: "Rashid N. Achilov" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: load balancing References: Reply-To: clefevre@citeweb.net X-Face: V|+c;4!|B?E%BE^{E6);aI.[<97Zd*>^#%Y5Cxv;%Y[PT-LW3;A:fRrJ8+^k"e7@+30g0YD0*^^3jgyShN7o?a]C la*Zv'5NA,=963bM%J^o]C From: Cyrille Lefevre Date: 29 Jun 2000 01:16:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Rashid N. Achilov"'s message of "Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:55:52 +0700 (NOVST)" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.1 - "Canyonlands" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Rashid N. Achilov" writes: > We have two Internet providers through leased lines at 64k and 128k respectively. This lines goes > through one FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE server. What can I make channels load balancing? (When first channel > is using more than second, all traffic goes through second and vice versa...) Change FreeBSD to > something else don't offer. man dummynet sould be a good starting point. Cyrille. -- home:mailto:clefevre@no-spam.citeweb.net Supprimer "no-spam." pour me repondre. work:mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre@no-spam.edf.fr Remove "no-spam." to answer me back. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 28 18:29:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.jonelrienton.org (dsl-64-34-25-237.telocity.com [64.34.25.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0127C37BA79 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:29:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nelski@jonelrienton.org) Received: (qmail 26481 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2000 01:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gerald) (10.29.22.15) by 10.29.22.254 with SMTP; 29 Jun 2000 01:33:07 -0000 Message-ID: <002901bfe16a$c9e9f800$0f161d0a@jonelrienton.org> From: "Jonel Rienton" To: Subject: VESA support Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:38:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01BFE140.E0A77290" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Disposition-Notification-To: "Jonel Rienton" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BFE140.E0A77290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi, could someone please help me with setting up the VESA support for my = video card. 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------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BFE140.E0A77290-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 28 23:38: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696B337BA82; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:37:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA44052; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:38:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200006290638.IAA44052@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: load balancing In-Reply-To: from Cyrille Lefevre at "Jun 29, 2000 01:16:52 am" To: clefevre@citeweb.net Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:38:55 +0200 (CEST) Cc: "Rashid N. Achilov" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > "Rashid N. Achilov" writes: > > > We have two Internet providers through leased lines at 64k and 128k respectively. This lines goes > > through one FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE server. What can I make channels load balancing? (When first channel > > is using more than second, all traffic goes through second and vice versa...) Change FreeBSD to > > something else don't offer. > > man dummynet sould be a good starting point. i don't see how it could help at the moment. There are routing issues to solve in the first place. cheers luigi -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) Mobile +39-347-0373137 -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 29 12:39:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75D437B9EF for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:39:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA97874; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:00:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:00:54 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: Kristian S?derholm , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux and FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000629200053.A96556@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <394401D7.5E7B331@home.se> <20000613023518.A30423@hades.hell.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000613023518.A30423@hades.hell.gr>; from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr on Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 02:35:19AM +0300 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 02:35:19AM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > I have used Linux for several years now... > > So have most of us. If you ask in the typical group of FreeBSD people, > how many come from a Linux background you'll be pleasantly surprised. Great. Does anyone fancy writing a "FreeBSD For Linux Users" document, that describes how things are different on FreeBSD, the conceptual hurdles you had to jump when you first switched, and so on? N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 29 14:19:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.ca (relay1.smtp.psi.ca [154.11.136.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8258F37BBBC for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:19:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfp51@ebeing.com) Received: from [209.89.71.162] (helo=ebeing.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.ca with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for freebsd-newbies@freeBSD.org id 137lid-00069o-00; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:19:31 -0400 Received: from ackbar by ebeing.com with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.4.R) for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:17:27 -0400 Message-ID: <006f01bfe20f$a08cebc0$ca0a000a@ackbar> From: "JF Prieur" To: Subject: 3.4 or 4.0 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:18:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-newbies@freeBSD.org X-Return-Path: jfp51@ebeing.com X-MDRcpt-To: freebsd-newbies@freeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Trying to wean myself from the M$ world so I've decided to take the FreeBSD plunge :-) I have what must be the stupidest question ever asked but I'm confused by the different release schemes. I know from RTFM'ing that I should not use the current tree, but for a production environment, should I be using 3.4 or 4.0. I downloaded 4.0-RELEASE and have been installing packages from the FreeBSD-stable directory on the FTP sites. Am I doing the correct thing? I'm asking because on some webhosting sites, they seem to all be using 3.4 and not 4 and I was wondering if I following the correct paths. WOW does MySQL rock on FreeBSD compared to NT :-) Thanks, JF Prieur, MCSE Benevolent Network Dictator e being communications inc. The year before I was born we walked on the moon, now 31 years later it is considered a modern feat of science to grow tomatos in low earth orbit. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 29 14:32:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br (bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br [143.106.51.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964E937C169 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:32:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from atabraga@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br) Received: by bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 606BB19C0; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:30:50 -0300 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14683.49162.283412.678322@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:30:50 -0300 (EST) From: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga To: "JF Prieur" Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3.4 or 4.0 In-Reply-To: <006f01bfe20f$a08cebc0$ca0a000a@ackbar> References: <006f01bfe20f$a08cebc0$ca0a000a@ackbar> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.1 Reply-To: atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br X-URL: http://www.iqm.unicamp.br Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org on Thursday, 29 Jun 2000 17:18:53, JF Prieur wrote: > Hi, > > Trying to wean myself from the M$ world so I've decided to take the > FreeBSD plunge :-) I have what must be the stupidest question ever asked Great. Welcome. > but I'm confused by the different release schemes. I know from RTFM'ing > that I should not use the current tree, but for a production > environment, should I be using 3.4 or 4.0. I downloaded 4.0-RELEASE and > have been installing packages from the FreeBSD-stable directory on the > FTP sites. Am I doing the correct thing? Yes. > > I'm asking because on some webhosting sites, they seem to all be using > 3.4 and not 4 and I was wondering if I following the correct paths. 4 is (more less) new and some people that likes 3.x don't want to change, bud, I guess, is better for you to start from the last release. Ata. PS: Sorry for awful english. > > WOW does MySQL rock on FreeBSD compared to NT :-) > > Thanks, > JF Prieur, MCSE > Benevolent Network Dictator > e being communications inc. > > The year before I was born we walked on the moon, > now 31 years later it is considered a modern feat of > science to grow tomatos in low earth orbit. > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br http://www.iqm.unicamp.br To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 29 15:29:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f74.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE62A37B5C3 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:29:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 9907 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jun 2000 22:29:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000629222903.9906.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.246.128.94 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:29:03 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.246.128.94] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: nelski@jonelrienton.org, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VESA support Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:29:03 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >hi, could someone please help me with setting up the VESA support for >my >video card. I was trying to look for documentations, and i'm >having no >luck, thanks. We need to know what the video card is.. :P ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 29 15:53:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D622E37C1D3 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:53:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rewted@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 4307 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jun 2000 22:53:22 -0000 Received: from as52-19-182.cas-kit.golden.net (HELO elite) (209.183.131.182) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 29 Jun 2000 22:53:22 -0000 Message-ID: <008501bfe235$db9e6c40$b683b7d1@elite> From: "rewted" To: Subject: kdevelop Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:52:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there a precompiled binary or special port of Kdevelop (www.kdevelop.org) for FreeBSD? -r00t3d!!!!!!!!hahhahaha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 29 16:17:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC0237B5D6 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:17:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.70.100]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA37DC; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:19:16 -0700 Message-ID: <395BD903.311290C8@acuson.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:17:23 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.13 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rewted Cc: fReeBsD-newbiEs@freebsd.oRg Subject: Re: kdevelop References: <008501bfe235$db9e6c40$b683b7d1@elite> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org rewted wrote: > > Is there a precompiled binary or special port of Kdevelop (www.kdevelop.org) > for FreeBSD? Yes! It is included as a package in FreeBSD-4.0 (fourth disk?). This version was 1.0 or 1.1. The current ports have KDevelop-1.2. There are some packages that are usefull but not required, like glimpse, that you may want to install beforehand. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 29 16:36:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hellasnet.gr (mail.hellasnet.gr [212.54.192.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F118637C242; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:36:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (ppp1.patr.hellasnet.gr [212.54.197.16]) by mail.hellasnet.gr (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA20796; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:35:12 +0200 (GMT) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e5TMl8n47300; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:47:08 +0300 (EEST) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:47:08 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Nik Clayton Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux and FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000630014708.B43130@hades.hell.gr> References: <394401D7.5E7B331@home.se> <20000613023518.A30423@hades.hell.gr> <20000629200053.A96556@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000629200053.A96556@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 08:00:54PM +0100 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3A 75 52 EB F1 58 56 0D - C5 B8 21 B6 1B 5E 4A C2 X-URL: http://students.ceid.upatras.gr/~keramida/index.html Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 08:00:54PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 02:35:19AM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > > I have used Linux for several years now... > > > > So have most of us. If you ask in the typical group of FreeBSD people, > > how many come from a Linux background you'll be pleasantly surprised. > > Great. Does anyone fancy writing a "FreeBSD For Linux Users" document, > that describes how things are different on FreeBSD, the conceptual hurdles > you had to jump when you first switched, and so on? Well, I'd be glad to help. However, it's a rather long time that I've left linux behind, and I do not seem to recall that much of it anymore. If I find the time to install some recent distribution and refresh what my memory is not prone to recall easily, that is definitely a nice thing to do :-) If anyone else is interested, or you Nik can start something like this, I'm certainly eager to help in any way I can. -- Giorgos Keramidas < keramida @ ceid . upatras . gr > Find my public pgp key at: finger://keramida@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr/ See the headers of this message for the key fingerprint. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 29 16:36:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hellasnet.gr (mail.hellasnet.gr [212.54.192.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2E837C26B for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:36:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (ppp1.patr.hellasnet.gr [212.54.197.16]) by mail.hellasnet.gr (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA20803; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:35:17 +0200 (GMT) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e5TMhxx47281; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:43:59 +0300 (EEST) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:43:58 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Jonel Rienton Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VESA support Message-ID: <20000630014358.A43130@hades.hell.gr> References: <002901bfe16a$c9e9f800$0f161d0a@jonelrienton.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <002901bfe16a$c9e9f800$0f161d0a@jonelrienton.org>; from nelski@jonelrienton.org on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 08:38:55PM -0500 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3A 75 52 EB F1 58 56 0D - C5 B8 21 B6 1B 5E 4A C2 X-URL: http://students.ceid.upatras.gr/~keramida/index.html Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 08:38:55PM -0500, Jonel Rienton wrote: > hi, could someone please help me with setting up the VESA support for my > video card. I was trying to look for documentations, and i'm having no > luck, thanks. You need to recompile your kernel and include the proper option for this to work properly. In my 3.4-STABLE configuration file this is done by adding: options VESA and then running the usual 'config -r HADES ; cd ../../compile ; ...' stuff. Oh, and please, the next time you want to ask something about BSD, it's probably better to post your question in freebsd-questions. It's not that if someone who can help you will not do it, if you post on this list, but that other list was made specifically for this thing, and a lot of the knowledgable people that are subscribed to that list might not see your question if you post it here :-) Ciao. -- Giorgos Keramidas < keramida @ ceid . upatras . gr > Find my public pgp key at: finger://keramida@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr/ See the headers of this message for the key fingerprint. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 30 1:13:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt052n3e.san.rr.com (dt052n3e.san.rr.com [204.210.33.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9659337B55C for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:13:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt052n3e.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15179; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:13:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <395C56A7.8500B502@gorean.org> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:13:27 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0629 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JF Prieur Cc: freebsd-newbies@freeBSD.org Subject: Re: 3.4 or 4.0 References: <006f01bfe20f$a08cebc0$ca0a000a@ackbar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org JF Prieur wrote: > > Hi, > > Trying to wean myself from the M$ world so I've decided to take the > FreeBSD plunge :-) Good choice. :) > I have what must be the stupidest question ever asked > but I'm confused by the different release schemes. I know from RTFM'ing > that I should not use the current tree, but for a production > environment, should I be using 3.4 or 4.0. I downloaded 4.0-RELEASE and > have been installing packages from the FreeBSD-stable directory on the > FTP sites. Am I doing the correct thing? Yes. As long as you don't have old IDE hardware, 4.0 is your best choice. The 3.5 branch is going into maintenance mode, so by using 4.0 now you will get the state of the art technology, and you will only have to learn things once. If you have more questions down the road, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org is your best bet for most things. Good luck, Doug -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 30 1:34:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ipgate.iii-europe.com (IPGATE.iii-europe.com [194.201.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84FD37C397 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:34:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from graham.woodruff@iii-europe.com) Received: from SLSNT2.sls.co.uk (slsnt2.iii-europe.com [194.201.82.110]) by ipgate.iii-europe.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA03292 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:33:36 +0100 Received: from 194 (194.201.82.212) by SLSNT2.sls.co.uk (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:35:11 +0100 From: "Graham Woodruff" To: Subject: RE: 3.4 or 4.0 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:35:11 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <395C56A7.8500B502@gorean.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Yes. As long as you don't have old IDE hardware, 4.0 is your best choice. Could someone please point me in the right direction here ? I am just about to move 3.2 with a whole bundle of IDE kit - what are the detailed issues for IDE at 4.0 ??? Thanks Graham Woodruff Mail : graham.woodruff@iii-europe.com Product Analyst Office: +44 (0) 117 975 1013 Innovative Interfaces Mobile: +44 (0) 370 330438 3 York Court WWW : http://www.iii-europe.com Upper York Street Bristol BS2 8QF United Kingdom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 30 2:43:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6DFA37BA4E; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:43:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 137xJv-000KWy-00; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:42:47 +0200 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:42:47 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: Nik Clayton , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux and FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000630114247.A78844@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <394401D7.5E7B331@home.se> <20000613023518.A30423@hades.hell.gr> <20000629200053.A96556@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20000630014708.B43130@hades.hell.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000630014708.B43130@hades.hell.gr>; from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr on Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 01:47:08AM +0300 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri 2000-06-30 (01:47), Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > Great. Does anyone fancy writing a "FreeBSD For Linux Users" document, > > that describes how things are different on FreeBSD, the conceptual hurdles > > you had to jump when you first switched, and so on? > > Well, I'd be glad to help. However, it's a rather long time that I've left > linux behind, and I do not seem to recall that much of it anymore. If I > find the time to install some recent distribution and refresh what my memory > is not prone to recall easily, that is definitely a nice thing to do :-) > > If anyone else is interested, or you Nik can start something like this, I'm > certainly eager to help in any way I can. I'd be happy to co-ordinate and to convert text to docbook, but my content-generation cycles are in use in other areas. Truly dedicated souls can read through the newbies archives (start at the beginning, and do a week of messages in five days) and send me interesting tid-bits. Theoretically I'm supposed to be rejuvenating the FreeBSD FAQ too, so stuff for that is appreciated. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 30 5:44:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF46337B99D for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 05:44:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 57582 invoked by alias); 30 Jun 2000 12:44:21 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 57576 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jun 2000 12:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.106.131) by slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Jun 2000 12:44:20 -0000 Message-ID: <395C9545.B59600AC@uswest.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 06:40:38 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd newbies Subject: Disk Space Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Can someone tell me where I can find information re: disk space management on a FreeBSD system? I'd like to stream-line my system and get rid of files that I don't need that are taking up necessary disk space but I don't know where to look or start. As an example, I know that kernels can take up a lot space. When I compiled my kernel, I named it JWKERNEL but at / I've noticed that there are 3 separate kernels: KERNEL, KERNEL-GENERIC and KERNEL-OLD. I know I shouldn't delete KERNEL-OLD, since this is needed for possible system recovery. Can I delete KERNEL-GENERIC? I'm going to post this on FreeBSD-Questions as well but I was just wondering if someone could tell me where I might find information associated with this topic. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks. Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 30 7:10:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.bb.din.or.jp (smtp1.bb.din.or.jp [210.135.65.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D3437BA36; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from iron@bb.din.or.jp) Received: from smtp.bb.din.or.jp (ppp24-021.din.or.jp [210.189.110.52]) by smtp1.bb.din.or.jp (8.9.3+Sun/3.7W) with SMTP id XAA08468; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 23:01:33 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <200006302303.1389@iron.bb.din.or.jp> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 23:03:04 +0900 From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCMkJHNRsoQg==?= To: iron@bb.din.or.jp Subject: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCIiM9UEQlN1A4MyROJCIka0p9ISYhJiEmISMbKEI=?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Gen Mail 0.9b Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org はじめまして、佳乃と言います。 今、私は不倫しています。 約10ヶ月ほど前に相手の方が出張で金沢に来た時に出会いました。 その方は某大手生命保険会社の部長さんで、年齢は４３歳。私は２１才です。 最初の頃は楽しい日々の連続でした。 それが・・今は・・電話も少なくなり、 話をしていてもどこか冷たい感じで・・ 以前とは様子が違うんです。 やっぱり遠距離のせいでしょうか。 出張族の方ってみんな最初から遊び目的で女の子と付き合うのでしょうか。 私、正直いって大人の男の人の考えが判りません。 私はこのままで良いのでしょうか。 あなたは、どう思いますか。 こんな私はココにいます。 http://www5.plala.or.jp/ver/yoshino/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 30 7:32:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B4637C01A for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:32:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id KAA19322; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:31:59 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts006d44.mer-id.concentric.net (ts006d44.mer-id.concentric.net [208.177.68.56]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id KAA21072; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 06:29:35 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: Joe Warner Cc: freebsd newbies Subject: Re: Disk Space In-Reply-To: <395C9545.B59600AC@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > delete KERNEL-OLD, since this is needed for possible system recovery. > Can I delete KERNEL-GENERIC? _DO NOT DO THAT_! Pardon my shouting (never done that, on the list, ever before). ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 30 7:54: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from snoopy.postfuture.com (smtp.postfuture.com [209.51.13.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6106437B6B4 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:53:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wsenn@postfuture.com) Received: from wwsenn (client.newscast.com [199.97.239.8]) by snoopy.postfuture.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id NNVQ649N; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:53:34 -0500 From: "Will Senn" To: "Freebsd-Newbies" Subject: Which release? Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:54:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I am new to FreeBSD although I have used linux for a number of years. I would appreciate it if y'all could lend a hand and tell me how to pick a release to install? I bought the FBSDi Powerpack. It comes with 4.0 and 5.0-current. I also have 3.5. I want stability but I also want to have current stuff that will run current software. Do I take the latest, cutting edge 5.0? Do I take the 4.0? 3.5? run back to redhat? Help?!!! Will Senn Senior Software Engineer, R&D Postfuture, Inc. Voice: (972) 789-1990 ext.232 Fax: (972) 991-8446 mailto:wsenn@postfuture.com http://www.postfuture.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 30 10:37:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from spectre.honk.org (cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.42.175.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE2637C14E for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:37:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from spectre.honk.org (mpoulin@spectre.honk.org [24.42.175.137]) by spectre.honk.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA26441; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:37:39 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:37:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin To: Will Senn Cc: Freebsd-Newbies Subject: Re: Which release? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'd go with 4.0 for the most current, yet stable version. - M - On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Will Senn wrote: > Hi all, > > I am new to FreeBSD although I have used linux for a number of years. > > I would appreciate it if y'all could lend a hand and tell me how to pick a release to install? I bought the FBSDi Powerpack. It > comes with 4.0 and 5.0-current. I also have 3.5. I want stability but I also want to have current stuff that will run current > software. > > Do I take the latest, cutting edge 5.0? > Do I take the 4.0? > 3.5? > run back to redhat? > > > Help?!!! > > Will Senn > Senior Software Engineer, R&D > Postfuture, Inc. > Voice: (972) 789-1990 ext.232 > Fax: (972) 991-8446 > mailto:wsenn@postfuture.com > http://www.postfuture.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 30 10:41:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7FE37C334 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:41:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA25C3; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:42:58 -0700 Message-ID: <395CDB35.387D7DC2@acuson.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:39:01 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Will Senn Cc: Freebsd-Newbies Subject: Re: Which release? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Will Senn wrote: > Do I take the latest, cutting edge 5.0? Well, that depends. Do you want Tuesday's or Thursday's? I understand that Tuesday's actually managed to boot but that Thursday's wouldn't even build. We'll have to see what today's is like :-) Seriously, there is a mandatory required for using -CURRENT. It is *required* you subscribe to a particular mailing list. The CURRENT release will crash and burn on you. It will do funky things to your hardware. If you are from the Linux world, think of this not as kernel 2.3.x, but as kernel 2.3.76-063000. > Do I take the 4.0? > 3.5? Either one. For a production system, front line ISP gateway, etc, take 3.5. If you're just running it on a consumer box, or seeking to learn about FreeBSD, then go with 4.0. When it comes to 4.0-STABLE, I'm still not sure. > run back to redhat? Egads! Of course not. If it turns out that you simply must slink back to the Linux world, at least slink back to a decent distribution :-) David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 30 13:50:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from srvr5.engin.umich.edu (srvr5.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2569837B539 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:50:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nlevitt@umich.edu) Received: from localhost (nlevitt@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA23213 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:50:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Noah Abraham Levitt X-Sender: nlevitt@srvr5.engin.umich.edu To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: natd settings in generic kernel? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I realize this is a question. Sorry. According to the natd man page, in order to run natd I need to compile a custom kernel with these options: options IPFIREWALL options IPDIVERT Does the generic kernel that comes with 3.4 have these options compiled in? I guess a better question would be, where do I find the specs on the generic kernel? Noah To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 30 13:55:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from srvr5.engin.umich.edu (srvr5.engin.umich.edu [141.213.75.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E736337B658 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:55:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nlevitt@umich.edu) Received: from localhost (nlevitt@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA24138 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:55:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Noah Abraham Levitt X-Sender: nlevitt@srvr5.engin.umich.edu To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: natd settings in generic kernel? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Whoops! Found it. /src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC. Natd options are not in there fyi. On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Noah Abraham Levitt wrote: > I realize this is a question. Sorry. > > According to the natd man page, in order to run natd I need to compile a > custom kernel with these options: > > options IPFIREWALL > options IPDIVERT > > Does the generic kernel that comes with 3.4 have these options compiled > in? > > I guess a better question would be, where do I find the specs on the > generic kernel? > > Noah > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 30 15:56:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from s1.mail.pciwest.net (s1.mail.pciwest.net [64.5.1.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 838A637BB4F for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:56:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rhoward@fidelity.presys.com) Received: (qmail 32385 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2000 22:56:38 -0000 Received: from pppc-64-5-9-170.lakeview.pciwest.net (HELO fidelity.presys.com) (rhoward@64.5.9.170) by presys.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2000 22:56:38 -0000 Message-ID: <395D258A.91758D00@fidelity.presys.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:56:10 -0700 From: Bob Howard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-storm i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Subscription Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe FreeBSD-newbies To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 30 19:29: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFC237B85C for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:29:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17372 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 12:30:07 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 12:30:07 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200007010230.MAA17372@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 30 20:59:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.ea4els.ampr.org (44-MADR-X49.libre.retevision.es [62.82.51.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92DC37B868 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:59:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sjmudd@pobox.com) Received: by phoenix.ea4els.ampr.org (Postfix, from userid 507) id 966058355; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:03:40 +0200 (CEST) To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which release? References: From: Simon J Mudd Date: 30 Jun 2000 19:03:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: wsenn@postfuture.com's message of "30 Jun 2000 18:02:08 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 39 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.5 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org wsenn@postfuture.com ("Will Senn") writes: > I would appreciate it if y'all could lend a hand and tell me how to pick a release to install? I bought the FBSDi Powerpack. It > comes with 4.0 and 5.0-current. I also have 3.5. I want stability but I also want to have current stuff that will run current > software. > > Do I take the latest, cutting edge 5.0? > Do I take the 4.0? > 3.5? > run back to redhat? I imagine others will tell you the same. Go for 4.0 as this is the non-development "Stable" release. It's relatively new (a few months). You can keep really up to date using CVSUP keeping in sync with 4.0-STABLE. 3.5 is really a very last version of the 3.x releases, and probably from now on will only have fixes related to security patches and stuff. 5.0-CURRENT is bleeding edge. Don't go back to redhat linux, but try to use both at the same time. That way you can learn the best of both worlds. IMHO the redhat package management is superior to FreeBSD's but this is partly a philosophical thing as FreeBSD appears to be built and kept up to date following a slightly differnt model than (redhat) linux. I'm still using both, and may well choose to switch to one of the two OSes once I'm equally comformtable with both and make an educated decision. Simon -- Simon J Mudd, Madrid SPAIN Tel: +34-91-408 4878 email: sjmudd@pobox.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 30 21:27:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3854837B751 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 21:27:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-225-60.s60.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.225.60] helo=beefstew) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 138Ese-0005cx-00 for newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 00:27:49 -0400 Message-ID: <001601bfe314$caf15d50$3ce17ad1@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: Subject: tar and patch - help a newbie Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 00:28:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Below are some instructions I have to follow to hopefully get some sound working on my FReeBSD. I have learned how to build a kernel - think I can do that. But I have had some nasty experiences w/tar in the past. Can anyone help me? I have the feeling there's more to it than just the cmds cited below - I think I'll have to do just a little more to get it "together" than what's cited below in that general case/scenerio. The actual site is: http://www.inode.org/sw/auvia/ which has the right "medicine" for my Abit VA6 motherboard sound chip - if I can figure out EXACTLY what the correct cmds are for ME. #2 I really don't know what "they" want me to do here. I have the file auvia.tar.gz on a floppy that's mounted and I can cd over to /usr/src/sys. But what I really don't know what I'm supposed to do - what's going on!? Same w/ #3 what is this for? what is going on here?? ------------------------------------------------------- WHAT I AM SUPPOSED TO DO: This section assumes you know how to build a BSD kernel. 1. Download the driver source code (link). 2. Extract it in the base of your kernel source tree: cd /usr/src/sys tar zxvf auvia.tar.gz 3. Patch the following files: cd conf patch < files.diff 4. If you are using 4.0-STABLE instead of 4.0-RELEASE, then patch auvia.c with this (link). 5. In your kernel configuration file, place the line device pcm0 6. Compile the new kernel. 7. Enjoy! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 30 22:26:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rmx195-mta.mail.com (rmx195-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC5D37B564 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 22:26:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chat@soon.com) Received: from web304-mc.mail.com (web304-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.165]) by rmx195-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA00052; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 01:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <384521738.962429171680.JavaMail.root@web304-mc.mail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 01:26:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Arthur To: wsenn@postfuture.com Subject: re: which release Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 203.117.33.24 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've tried to download and install release 5.0 and encounter some problem. The suitation is that I have a rather small hardisk and the only way I manage to use my modem is thur win9x. I did not download everything in the pacakages directory, but rather download them when I want to install the particular software. I found out that those dependends file have been update so frequently in release, which ends up I've to download all the dependends files(I've areadly an older version installed) each time I wanted to install a software. I'm a 100% newbies myself and hope others won't have to repeat my long route to FreeBSD. ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 30 22:42:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f171.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E16737B751 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 22:42:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ntvsunix@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 65650 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2000 05:42:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20000701054232.65649.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.53.54.44 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 22:42:32 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.53.54.44] From: "Some Person" To: nbm@mithrandr.moria.org, keramida@ceid.upatras.gr Cc: nik@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux and FreeBSD Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 22:42:32 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think something like that would be just awesome!!! - http://bsd.tucows.com >On Fri 2000-06-30 (01:47), Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > > Great. Does anyone fancy writing a "FreeBSD For Linux Users" >document, > > > that describes how things are different on FreeBSD, the conceptual >hurdles > > > you had to jump when you first switched, and so on? > > > > Well, I'd be glad to help. However, it's a rather long time that I've >left > > linux behind, and I do not seem to recall that much of it anymore. If I > > find the time to install some recent distribution and refresh what my >memory > > is not prone to recall easily, that is definitely a nice thing to do :-) > > > > If anyone else is interested, or you Nik can start something like this, >I'm > > certainly eager to help in any way I can. > >I'd be happy to co-ordinate and to convert text to docbook, but my >content-generation cycles are in use in other areas. Truly dedicated >souls can read through the newbies archives (start at the beginning, and >do a week of messages in five days) and send me interesting tid-bits. > >Theoretically I'm supposed to be rejuvenating the FreeBSD FAQ too, so >stuff for that is appreciated. > >Neil >-- >Neil Blakey-Milner >Sunesi Clinical Systems >nbm@mithrandr.moria.org > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 1 3: 6:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A1737BF3C; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 03:06:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p176.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.176]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA86868; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 12:05:00 +0200 Received: from moritz (moritz [10.0.0.4]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00293; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 11:02:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 11:02:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: nik@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FBSD and Linux... In-Reply-To: <20000701054232.65649.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > > > > Great. Does anyone fancy writing a "FreeBSD For Linux Users" > >document, > > > > that describes how things are different on FreeBSD, the conceptual > >hurdles > > > > you had to jump when you first switched, and so on? Well, switching from what to what ? ;-) I'd also like "Linux for FBSDers". A practical guide for administration of a Linux system. Whats different there. There are mayn Linux systems out there and one might come into the situation to be force to know something about that. Doesnt have to be a long text, hopefully. H. PS.: My aha is allways timing out, whats this ? Adaptec 1542 B and 4.0 R. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 1 4:53:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from myristaja.eenet.ee (myristaja.EENet.ee [193.40.0.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7594E37B5A6 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 04:53:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oolberg@eenet.ee) Received: from localhost (oolberg@localhost) by myristaja.eenet.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11845 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 13:53:38 +0200 (EET) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 13:53:38 +0200 (EET) From: Imre Oolberg To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FBSD and Linux... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, > > > > > Great. Does anyone fancy writing a "FreeBSD For Linux Users" i find it too invalueable help for people like myself. I believe i know couple of things about Slackware ie GNU Linux system and its administration. Anyway, its the only UNIX-like platform i am accostomed to use. The sad thing about me using FreeBSD is that i feel i try to use it ... err ... like it were Linux. Though it is similar, at first glance at least. For example, first thing after installing FreeBSD i changed shell into bash, compied my ppp dial-out scripts and XF86Config from Linux box. And also turned off syslogd's output onto root's console :) So i hope that coming fancy "FreeBSD for Lu" is trowing some lite for the second glane :) The conseptual but not too technical veiw of the System. Best regards, Imre Oolberg http://kuutorvaja.eenet.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message