From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 9 12:43: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rannoch.demon.co.uk (rannoch.demon.co.uk [158.152.110.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26DE037BE11 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:42:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from apbran@rannoch.demon.co.uk) Received: from localhost (apbran@localhost) by rannoch.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03386 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:11:01 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:11:01 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Branston To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: firewall and NAT with ISDN Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have been trying for a week or more to use FreeBSD and ISDN as my internet gateway for the home LAN. I currently use Linux for this but decided to try OpenBSD, very nice but so support as yet for PCI ISDN cards, so I have switched to FreeBSD. I have the Walnut Creek book which rather glosses over the natd part of the equation. I have compiled a kernel for ISDN which works with the sppp and read through the i4b guide several times. The part I am stumbling on is the ipfw and natd setup. I have an internal interface on an rfc 1918 IP address connected to a hub and the other internal machines. The ppp man page talks about an alias option but this does not appear to be in the sppp program. I can connect to my ISP and do all the usual things until I use any firewall rules. Even using the "open" config I cannot seem to get the packets to transfer from inside to outside. The output of "ipfw list" is 00100 divert 8668 ip from any to any via isp0 00200 allow ip from any to any via lo0 00300 allow ip from any to any via ep0 00400 allow tcp from any to any out xmit isp0 setup 00500 allow tcp from any to any via isp0 established 00600 allow tcp from any to any 80 setup 00700 allow tcp from any to any 22 setup 00800 reset log logamount 100 tcp from any to any 113 in recv isp0 00900 allow udp from any to any 53 out xmit isp0 01000 allow udp from any 53 to any in recv isp0 65435 allow icmp from any to any 65435 deny log logamount 100 ip from any to any 65535 allow ip from any to any Packet forwarding is turned on and I have the following added to rc.conf firewall_enable="YES" # Set to YES to enable firewall functionality firewall_script="/etc/firewall" # Which script to run to set up thefirewall natd_enable="YES" # Enable natd (if firewall_enable == YES). natd_interface="isp0" # Public interface or IPaddress to use. Can anyone spot where I am going wrong please ? Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 9 15:27:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A3F37B9E6 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:27:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chaycock1@mindspring.com) Received: from CHaycock (user-37ka80e.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.32.14]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA03678 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007092226.SAA03678@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Carlton Haycock" To: "newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 18:34:16 -0400 Reply-To: "Carlton Haycock" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ipfw versus ipfilter Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am in the process of building a firewall using FreeBsd. I am aware of the firewall built into the kernel (ipfw), but I also see alot of people talking about another package called IPFILTER. I have seen comments stating that IPFILTER is better, but no one has yet to say why or why they prefer it. I would be most appreciative if someone could give a brief overview of the differences as far as functionality is concerned. I have read the how-to's and stuff on FreeBsd Diary but can find nothing that does a comparison of the two. Thanks, Carlton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 10 0:44:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4748837BC9C for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 00:44:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p14.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.14]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA52870; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:42:24 +0200 Received: from moritz (moritz [10.0.0.4]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04543; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:41:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:41:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: leegold Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: no ans. so far to my tech ques.- what next? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Someone told me to throw out the error message I get into /dev/null...I'll > > probably try another player. > > I would try cdcontrol. Allready on your system. It mustnt be X. Or may I add a quote from the handbook, when ports are broken: 3. Forget about it. This is the easiest route--very few ports can be classified as ``essential''. There's also a good chance any problems will be fixed in the next version when the port is updated. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 10 8:45:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2EA37BA16 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:45:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 216-164-221-247.s247.tnt4.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.221.247] helo=beefstew) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13BfkS-00043X-00; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:45:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bfea85$f6171100$f7dda4d8@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: "Heiko Recktenwald" Cc: References: Subject: Re: no ans. so far to my tech ques.- what next? Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:44:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes, I am using cdcontrol now.I did not know it existed untill you mentioned it. It works very well! Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Heiko Recktenwald To: leegold Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 4:09 PM Subject: Re: no ans. so far to my tech ques.- what next? > > Someone told me to throw out the error message I get into /dev/null...I'll > > probably try another player. > > I would try cdcontrol. Allready on your system. It mustnt be X. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 10 9:17:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br (bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br [143.106.51.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B8E37BE80 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:17:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from atabraga@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br) Received: by bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4375C19CA; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:17:41 -0300 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14697.63269.207577.605591@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:17:41 -0300 (EST) From: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: flash X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.1 Reply-To: atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br X-URL: http://www.iqm.unicamp.br Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, is there flash (macromedia) native for FreeBSD 3.4-Stable? Where? Thanks, Ata. -- Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br http://www.iqm.unicamp.br To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 10 11:40:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from www32.web2010.com (www32.web2010.com [216.157.30.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256E437B985 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:40:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mdickerson@officeonweb.net) Received: from sami002 (ip213.denver14.co.pub-ip.psi.net [38.31.10.213]) by www32.web2010.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA14336; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:30:29 -0400 (EDT) From: mdickerson@officeonweb.net Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000710124131.00872640@officeonweb.net> X-Sender: success15@officeonweb.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:41:31 -0600 To: John Michelini , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Seeking Mutt/Sendmail documentation In-Reply-To: <39669E59.1F488F2B@ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John, I use a mutt, sendmail, fetchmail(needs python installed - unless your ISP automagically relays your mail to your machine, you might need this too) combo with my ISP. It works quite well. You will probably need to make a few minor changes to /etc/sendmail.cf (like perhaps a smart relay host and a domain alias). At least, those were the only changes I needed :). Also, IMHO mutt is much (MUCH) nicer than Pine (I don't care for pico either). Mike Dickerson At 08:22 PM 7/7/00 -0700, John Michelini wrote: > Hi there, I am a little confused about how to configure E-mail for BSD 3.2. IBM is my ISP, and I have read a great deal about mutt and sendmail; I guess sendmail is the engine to the mutt interface--the two work together. I would like to find more detailed info on how to get this functioning. My sources are Unix Power Tools and The Complete FreeBSD >(3rd Edition) Hmmm.... For additional documentation, can anyone show me >the way? (as Frampton would say) John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 10 18:19: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web1206.mail.yahoo.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A1A837BA60 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:19:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wyldephyre2@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 10376 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2000 01:19:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20000711011900.10375.qmail@web1206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.138.40.131] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:19:00 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:19:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Haikal Saadh Subject: Re: flash To: atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br, newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Not that I know of. But there are players and plugins. However, the swf file format is now open, and incase some one wants to make a Flash clone for Freebsd, you can get details including source code at http://www.openswf.org/. *hint* *hint* :) --- Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga wrote: > > Hi, > > is there flash (macromedia) native for > FreeBSD 3.4-Stable? Where? > > Thanks, > > Ata. > > -- > Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga > atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br > > http://www.iqm.unicamp.br > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 11 5:50: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A371A37BF5F for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:49:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p21.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.21]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30988; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:47:59 +0200 Received: from moritz (moritz [10.0.0.4]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00501; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:56:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:56:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: leegold Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: what's best/simplest cdplayer In-Reply-To: <001001bfe933$63e66270$39e37ad1@beefstew> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > ps. what's up w/ cdplay? isn't that text based? This is ok. Used it until I found cdcontrol. Have them both and its a question of the weather or whatever which one to use. cdplay has a nice interface, ascii art sotosay, but cdcontrol is slightly better. And as a general advice, if you have the space, install everything what you want from the cd-rom and trash it at once if you are not satisfied. /stand/sysinstall, packages. Trash it ;-) H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 11 10:43: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B571237B577 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:43:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAAB82 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:44:53 -0700 Message-ID: <396B5C1E.F4EE8EB6@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:40:46 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: BSD in a Nutshell? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here's a quote from the BSD section of Slashdot: InfoMonk writes: "I attended a library conference over the weekend. Tim O'Reilly spoke at a presentation on Open Source Software for libraries. After the conference I asked him about the long running interest in O'Reilly putting out BSD publications. He confirmed that two projects are currently in development, the expected BSD in a Nutshell and another book whose subject is not yet clear. This is very good news of course, to BSD hackers who are slightly tired of the press coverage that Linux has been given in the past year." It looks like our wish for BSD-oriented O'Reilly books may soon come true... David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 11 11: 5:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76AEA37BA61 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:05:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Joe.Warner@smed.com) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3E51619A for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12298 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:05:04 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:04:54 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256919.00634445 ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:04:14 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: David Johnson Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <85256919.00633A68.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:05:25 -0600 Subject: Re: BSD in a Nutshell? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David, Thanks for the update! This is really good news! Hopefully, other publishers will be following suit as well. Cheers Joe |--------+-----------------------> | | David Johnson| | | | | | | | | 07/11/00 | | | 11:40 AM | | | | |--------+-----------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG | | cc: (bcc: Joe Warner/SMS) | | Subject: BSD in a Nutshell? | >--------------------------------------------------------| Here's a quote from the BSD section of Slashdot: InfoMonk writes: "I attended a library conference over the weekend. Tim O'Reilly spoke at a presentation on Open Source Software for libraries. After the conference I asked him about the long running interest in O'Reilly putting out BSD publications. He confirmed that two projects are currently in development, the expected BSD in a Nutshell and another book whose subject is not yet clear. This is very good news of course, to BSD hackers who are slightly tired of the press coverage that Linux has been given in the past year." It looks like our wish for BSD-oriented O'Reilly books may soon come true... David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 11 12:40:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.sirius.com (mail1.sirius.com [205.134.253.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC1537B881 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:40:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freepix@sirius.com) Received: from jasons-pc.sirius.com (ppp-astk02-067.sirius.net [205.134.247.67]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA16223 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000711122328.01bf2410@mail.sirius.com> X-Sender: freepix@mail.sirius.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:23:35 -0700 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Jason Scott Subject: SCSI Drive - Device not configured Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have my system setup with two IDE drives, and now two SCSI drives. The first SCSI drive works great, but upon adding the second one, and installing it (from The Complete FreeBSD book) I can access the drive, and even have a few small sites on it without a problem. But when I tried to copy a 2 gigabyte directory to it, I received the following errors, and then the drive could not be read: cp: /homes2/ps/data/avs/hotpnl/secret/ppp6/tn_ppp638eb_jpg.jpg: Device not configured cp: /homes2/ps/data/avs/hotpnl/secret/ppp6/ppp6.html: Device not configured cp: /homes2/ps/data/avs/hotpnl/secret/ppp9: Device not configured The files being copied are on a drive called homes, and this new drive is called homes2. I didn't add the drive to the kernel, but I didn't see anything in the book about doing that, could there be some type of problem with the drive? After I reboot the system it needs to be fsck'd to mount this drive, and the 'messages' file contains this after reboot: Jul 6 22:16:43 www /kernel: (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): Invalidating pack Jul 6 22:17:14 www last message repeated 10 times Jul 6 22:18:04 www last message repeated 15 times Thanks, Jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 11 18:54: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9667637BA6C for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:53:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29844; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:23:46 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:23:46 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: David Johnson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD in a Nutshell? Message-ID: <20000712112346.D29642@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <396B5C1E.F4EE8EB6@acuson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <396B5C1E.F4EE8EB6@acuson.com> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 11 July 2000 at 10:40:46 -0700, David Johnson wrote: > Here's a quote from the BSD section of Slashdot: > > InfoMonk writes: "I attended a library conference over the weekend. Tim > O'Reilly spoke at a presentation on Open Source Software for libraries. > After the conference I asked him about the long running interest in > O'Reilly putting out BSD publications. He confirmed that two projects > are currently in development, the expected BSD in a Nutshell and another > book whose subject is not yet clear. This is very good news of course, > to BSD hackers who are slightly tired of the press coverage that Linux > has been given in the past year." The other book has the provisional title "Advanced BSD System Administration". Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 12 10:17:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1958337B687 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:17:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA32E9; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:19:22 -0700 Message-ID: <396CA7A2.C9ECE754@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:15:14 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD in a Nutshell? References: <396B5C1E.F4EE8EB6@acuson.com> <20000712112346.D29642@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey wrote: > > He confirmed that two projects > > are currently in development, the expected BSD in a Nutshell and another > > book whose subject is not yet clear... > > The other book has the provisional title "Advanced BSD System > Administration". This is great! I can't wait for these to hit the shelves. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 12 10:26: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3948037BFB0 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:25:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@q.closedsrc.org) Received: from localhost (lplist@localhost) by q.closedsrc.org (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6CHMFq93720; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:22:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@q.closedsrc.org) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:22:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Linh Pham To: David Johnson Cc: Greg Lehey , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD in a Nutshell? In-Reply-To: <396CA7A2.C9ECE754@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pretty good timing... mostly when I'm pushing the company to migrate some services from NT and Solaris over to Free/OpenBSD :) // Linh Pham // // Proud supporter of FreeBSD and OpenBSD // FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org // OpenBSD - http://www.openbsd.org /* "Oregon, n.: Eighty billion gallons of water with no place to go on Saturday night." */ On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, David Johnson wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: > > > > He confirmed that two projects > > > are currently in development, the expected BSD in a Nutshell and another > > > book whose subject is not yet clear... > > > > The other book has the provisional title "Advanced BSD System > > Administration". > > This is great! I can't wait for these to hit the shelves. > > David > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 12 10:33:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (mail3.aracnet.com [216.99.193.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1241A37BFF9 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:33:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02033; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:33:06 -0700 Received: by shell1.aracnet.com (8.9.3) id KAA30283; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:33:02 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:33:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hamell To: Greg Lehey Cc: David Johnson , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD in a Nutshell? In-Reply-To: <20000712112346.D29642@wantadilla.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > are currently in development, the expected BSD in a Nutshell and another > > book whose subject is not yet clear. This is very good news of course, > > to BSD hackers who are slightly tired of the press coverage that Linux > > has been given in the past year." > > The other book has the provisional title "Advanced BSD System > Administration". Dosen't look like my other message went through... but Addison Wesley has one coming out geared towards NT/Novell Admins making the switch to FreeBSD. (I'm a proofreader on it, so I know it exists. :) I've also heard from a farily reliable source that there is a FreeBSD for Dummies book coming out too. :) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 12 10:40:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3EF37C089 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:40:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@q.closedsrc.org) Received: from localhost (lplist@localhost) by q.closedsrc.org (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6CHagM93751; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:36:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@q.closedsrc.org) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:36:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Linh Pham To: Rick Hamell Cc: Greg Lehey , David Johnson , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD in a Nutshell? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Cool... definitely nice to hear from an insider ;) I know people who are somewhat ready to make the switch from NT4 to FreeBSD 4.0, but are too scared to make such a huge change. That book and some of my pressuring would definitely help. // Linh Pham // // Proud supporter of FreeBSD and OpenBSD // FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org // OpenBSD - http://www.openbsd.org /* "Oregon, n.: Eighty billion gallons of water with no place to go on Saturday night." */ On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > > > are currently in development, the expected BSD in a Nutshell and another > > > book whose subject is not yet clear. This is very good news of course, > > > to BSD hackers who are slightly tired of the press coverage that Linux > > > has been given in the past year." > > > > The other book has the provisional title "Advanced BSD System > > Administration". > > Dosen't look like my other message went through... but Addison > Wesley has one coming out geared towards NT/Novell Admins making the > switch to FreeBSD. (I'm a proofreader on it, so I know it exists. :) I've > also heard from a farily reliable source that there is a FreeBSD for > Dummies book coming out too. :) > > > Rick > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 12 13:17:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D31937BF7D for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:17:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pirol9999@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 9991 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2000 20:17:33 -0000 Received: from pc19f5fd7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO gmx.net) (193.159.95.215) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2000 20:17:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:19:19 +0200 From: Jens Sauer Reply-To: Jens Sauer To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: How to disable Kernel-Modules-Support? X-Mailer: Jens Sauer's registered AK-Mail 3.1 publicbeta2a [ger] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000712201738.9D31937BF7D@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, anyone can tell, how I can disable the support for Loadable Kernel Modules when compiling a new kernel. I tried kernel-option "option NO_LKM", but kldstat shows 3 loaded modules anyway. And I reviewed LINT many times, but still haven't found anything. I'm using FreeBSD Stable of 07/2000, and think in my official Walnut Creek Distribution 4.0 it was disabled by default. Thanks in advance Jens To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 12 13:40: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD8C37C05F for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:39:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Joe.Warner@smed.com) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752AA161E0 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02933 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:39:56 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:39:52 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525691A.007174F2 ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:39:15 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: Jens Sauer Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <8525691A.00717422.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:40:52 -0600 Subject: Re: How to disable Kernel-Modules-Support? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm not familiar with the 4.0 release and can't offer much help if you're positive you've checked the kernel configuration file and LINT and have come up empty. You might try "option NO_KLD" instead of "LKM". A safer approach would be to unload the modules with the kdunload command. Here's an example: #kldunload -n vinum Note that you can unload some of the klds this way but not all of them. Good luck! Joe |--------+-----------------------> | | Jens Sauer | | | | | | | | | 07/12/00 | | | 02:19 PM | | | Please | | | respond to | | | Jens Sauer | | | | |--------+-----------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG | | cc: (bcc: Joe Warner/SMS) | | Subject: How to disable | | Kernel-Modules-Support? | >--------------------------------------------------------| Hi, anyone can tell, how I can disable the support for Loadable Kernel Modules when compiling a new kernel. I tried kernel-option "option NO_LKM", but kldstat shows 3 loaded modules anyway. And I reviewed LINT many times, but still haven't found anything. I'm using FreeBSD Stable of 07/2000, and think in my official Walnut Creek Distribution 4.0 it was disabled by default. Thanks in advance Jens To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 12 14:23:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 04F7B37C280 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:23:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pirol9999@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 3288 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2000 21:23:30 -0000 Received: from p3e9efdb3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO gmx.net) (62.158.253.179) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2000 21:23:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:25:03 +0200 From: Jens Sauer Reply-To: Jens Sauer To: Joe.Warner@smed.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to disable Kernel-Modules-Support? X-Mailer: Jens Sauer's registered AK-Mail 3.1 publicbeta2a [ger] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000712212336.04F7B37C280@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for your help. I will try your suggestion "option NO_KLD", let's see.... I knew about the ability to unload modules,but I wanted to disable this function for security reasons. Will report back soon Jens > I'm not familiar with the 4.0 release and can't offer much help if you're > positive you've checked the kernel configuration file and LINT and have > come up empty. You might try "option NO_KLD" instead of "LKM". A safer > approach would be to unload the modules with the kdunload command. Here's > an example: #kldunload -n vinum Note that you can unload some of the klds > this way but not all of them. Good luck! > Joe > Hi, > anyone can tell, how I can disable the support for Loadable Kernel > Modules when compiling a new kernel. I tried kernel-option > "option NO_LKM", but kldstat shows 3 loaded modules anyway. > And I reviewed LINT many times, but still haven't found anything. > I'm using FreeBSD Stable of 07/2000, and think in my official > Walnut Creek Distribution 4.0 it was disabled by default. > Thanks in advance > Jens > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 12 17:27: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D95E437C064 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:27:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pirol9999@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 425 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2000 00:27:03 -0000 Received: from p3e9ef9a4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO gmx.net) (62.158.249.164) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2000 00:27:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:28:45 +0200 From: Jens Sauer Reply-To: Jens Sauer To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to disable Kernel-Modules-Support? X-Mailer: Jens Sauer's registered AK-Mail 3.1 publicbeta2a [ger] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000713002704.D95E437C064@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Back again, so, both options "NO_LKM" and "NO_KLD" are not known in kernel-configuration. Also the manpages for KLD and KLDLOAD don't say anything about it. Anybody got an idea how to disable it? Jens > Thanks for your help. I will try your suggestion > "option NO_KLD", let's see.... > I knew about the ability to unload modules,but I wanted to disable > this function for security reasons. > Will report back soon > Jens >> I'm not familiar with the 4.0 release and can't offer much help if you're >> positive you've checked the kernel configuration file and LINT and have >> come up empty. You might try "option NO_KLD" instead of "LKM". A safer >> approach would be to unload the modules with the kdunload command. >> Here's >> an example: #kldunload -n vinum Note that you can unload some of the >> klds >> this way but not all of them. Good luck! >> Joe >> Hi, >> anyone can tell, how I can disable the support for Loadable Kernel >> Modules when compiling a new kernel. I tried kernel-option >> "option NO_LKM", but kldstat shows 3 loaded modules anyway. >> And I reviewed LINT many times, but still haven't found anything. >> I'm using FreeBSD Stable of 07/2000, and think in my official >> Walnut Creek Distribution 4.0 it was disabled by default. >> Thanks in advance >> Jens >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 12 20:27:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail4.lig.bellsouth.net (mail4.lig.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB5C37B5F1 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:27:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tymbrwlf@bellsouth.net) Received: from tymbrwlf (host-216-76-249-52.pns.bellsouth.net [216.76.249.52]) by mail4.lig.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with SMTP id XAA21669 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001201bfec7a$12504940$0200a8c0@tymbrwlf> From: "Larry Hawk" To: "FreeBSD Newbies" Subject: FreeBSD Users/Newbies in NW Florida area Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:25:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01BFEC50.248F1980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BFEC50.248F1980 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000D_01BFEC50.248F1980" ------=_NextPart_001_000D_01BFEC50.248F1980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are there any User's groups or other groups in the NW Florida area where = a poor, downtrodden, hopeless NT Admin can turn to for some = person-to-person help with learning FreeBSD? I'm trying to set up a = FreeBSD box for some different uses that are a little too advanced for = the -Newbie list and not-advanced enough for the -Questions list (i.e. = FreeBSD as a primary domain controller for a Windows network, and as a = proxy server/firewall on that same network); forget the IRQ channels- I = got kicked for even mentioning Windows one night. I've read until my = eyes bleed and I have found lots of information but, unfortunately, a = lot of it is conflicting. Everyone obviously has their own way of doing = things. It makes it difficult for me to learn the "right" way to do = things... If I could just find a person or group of people to whom I = could just say "Show me what you mean", then it would make things alot = easier for me to learn. Sorry for rambling.... Larry Hawk tymbrwlf@bellsouth.net ------=_NextPart_001_000D_01BFEC50.248F1980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Are there any User's groups or other = groups in the=20 NW Florida area where a poor, downtrodden, hopeless NT Admin can turn to = for=20 some person-to-person help with learning FreeBSD? I'm trying to set up a = FreeBSD=20 box for some different uses that are a little too advanced for the = -Newbie list=20 and not-advanced enough for the -Questions list (i.e. FreeBSD as a = primary=20 domain controller for a Windows network, and as a proxy server/firewall = on that=20 same network); forget the IRQ channels- I got kicked for even mentioning = Windows=20 one night. I've read until my eyes bleed and I have found lots of = information=20 but, unfortunately, a lot of it is conflicting. Everyone obviously has = their own=20 way of doing things. It makes it difficult for me to learn the "right" = way to do=20 things... If I could just find a person or group of people to whom I = could just=20 say "Show me what you mean", then it would make things alot easier for = me to=20 learn. Sorry for rambling....
 
Larry Hawk
tymbrwlf@bellsouth.net
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Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:19:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from atabraga@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br) Received: by bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 908E919C7; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:19:11 -0300 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14701.17211.576025.972452@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:19:07 -0300 (EST) From: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: A micro net X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.1 Reply-To: atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br X-URL: http://www.iqm.unicamp.br Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, how can i do a small net with one FreeBSD box (gateway) and one (argh)windows/98? Which cable i should use to link the machines? Thanks, Ata. -- Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br http://www.iqm.unicamp.br To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 12 22: 1:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from freeside.fc.net (freeside.fc.net [207.170.70.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF4637B5AB for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:01:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdunham@freeside.fc.net) Received: (from jdunham@localhost) by freeside.fc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) id XAA23084; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:59:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Jerry Dunham Message-Id: <200007130459.XAA23084@freeside.fc.net> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Users/Newbies in NW Florida area In-Reply-To: <001201bfec7a$12504940$0200a8c0@tymbrwlf> from Larry Hawk at "Jul 12, 2000 10:25:53 pm" To: tymbrwlf@bellsouth.net (Larry Hawk) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:59:52 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Newbies) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Larry Hawk babbled: > From: "Larry Hawk" > To: "FreeBSD Newbies" > Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:25:53 -0500 > Are there any User's groups or other groups in the NW Florida area where a poor, downtrodden, hopeless NT Admin can turn to for some person-to-person help with learning FreeBSD? I'm trying to set up a FreeBSD box for some different uses that are a little too advanced for the -Newbie list and not-advanced enough for the -Questions list (i.e. FreeBSD as a primary domain controller for a Windows network, and as a proxy server/firewall on that same network); forget the IRQ channels- I got kicked for even mentioning Windows one night. I've read until my eyes bleed and I have found lots of information but, unfortunately, a lot of it is conflicting. Everyone obviously has their own way of doing things. It makes it difficult for me to learn the "right" way to do things... If I could just find a person or group of people to whom I could just say "Show me what you mean", then it would make things alot easier for me to learn. Sorry for rambling.... I think if I were you I'd go ahead and ask your technical questions on freebsd-questions. You're more likely to be attacked for your mail message formatting (all on one long line) than for the content of your questions. Interactions between FreeBSD and Windoze are fair game, and you shouldn't let anyone tell you otherwise. As for your message formatting, I think the correct URL is: http://www.lemis.com/email.html Check it out. If I have the URL wrong, bug me and I'll go check it. Are you in Escambia County? -- Jerry Dunham FreeBSD http://www.dunham.org jdunham@fc.net jerry@dunham.org (512)335-0674 (H) E Pluribus Unix To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 13 0:34:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF49837B65F for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:34:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p80.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.80]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA46634; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:32:53 +0200 Received: from moritz (moritz [10.0.0.4]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00266; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:14:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:14:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Jens Sauer Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to disable Kernel-Modules-Support? In-Reply-To: <20000712201738.9D31937BF7D@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Walnut Creek Distribution 4.0 it was disabled by default. Btw, my "official" 4.0 CDs come from a "BSD, Inc." in Concord. What does this mean ? H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 13 0:34:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32ECB37B99A for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:34:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p80.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.80]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA48336; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:32:55 +0200 Received: from moritz (moritz [10.0.0.4]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00264; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:11:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:11:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A micro net In-Reply-To: <14701.17211.576025.972452@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > how can i do a small net with one FreeBSD box (gateway) and > one (argh)windows/98? Which cable i should use to link the > machines? I had once such a net with two fbsd boxes and plip, parallel interface, which was reasonalbe fast, but its not in Windows, I think. So: ethernet. And try to find the pedantic ppp primer at www.freebsd.org or on your harddrive, if you have 4.0. /usr/share/doc ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 13 1:53:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from radius.city-guide.com (radius.cityisp.net [216.2.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C36137C32D; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:53:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@cityisp.net) Received: from enitech (unverified [216.2.8.218]) by radius.city-guide.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.181) with SMTP id ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:04:58 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01bfeca8$244b78d0$da0802d8@CityGuide.com> From: "Chris Lynch" To: Cc: Subject: First Time Alpha install Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:55:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trying to install FreeBSD 4.0 on a DEC AlphaPC 164 LX. I've made two floppies, but, since it doesn't automatically boot from the floppy, I'm not sure what to put int the OS Selection Setup. I've inserted a new OS call it FreeBSD, boot from A: kern.flp I'm not sure what to pass the OS options. It has a nifty Install Windows NT options...but , why? :) thanks, Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 13 2:13:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-193-112-57.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.112.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E1137C334; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:13:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA00886; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:21:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200007130921.CAA00886@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Chris Lynch" Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org, newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: First Time Alpha install In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:55:44 EDT." <004f01bfeca8$244b78d0$da0802d8@CityGuide.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:21:47 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm trying to install FreeBSD 4.0 on a DEC AlphaPC 164 LX. I've made two > floppies, but, since it doesn't automatically boot from the floppy, I'm not > sure what to put int the OS Selection Setup. You don't boot FreeBSD from AlphaBIOS. Go to the setup screen and change the OS to Unix, then save and power cycle the machine. When it comes back, insert the first floppy and say 'boot dva0' at the prompt. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 13 2:24: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D4237BC57 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:24:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13CfDp-000CKc-00; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:23:57 +0200 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:23:57 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Jens Sauer Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to disable Kernel-Modules-Support? Message-ID: <20000713112357.A47361@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <20000712201738.9D31937BF7D@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000712201738.9D31937BF7D@hub.freebsd.org>; from pirol9999@gmx.net on Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 10:19:19PM +0200 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed 2000-07-12 (22:19), Jens Sauer wrote: > anyone can tell, how I can disable the support for Loadable Kernel > Modules when compiling a new kernel. I tried kernel-option > "option NO_LKM", but kldstat shows 3 loaded modules anyway. > And I reviewed LINT many times, but still haven't found anything. You might want to look in the init(8) man page, at the securelevel section. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 13 2:26:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B51C937BC57; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:26:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08747; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:26:03 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:26:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Chris Lynch Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: First Time Alpha install In-Reply-To: <004f01bfeca8$244b78d0$da0802d8@CityGuide.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ah, you need to switch from ARC to SRM- or flash new f/w in that has SRM. None of the *BSD's support ARC as the OS monitor. On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Chris Lynch wrote: > I'm trying to install FreeBSD 4.0 on a DEC AlphaPC 164 LX. I've made two > floppies, but, since it doesn't automatically boot from the floppy, I'm not > sure what to put int the OS Selection Setup. > I've inserted a new OS call it FreeBSD, boot from A: kern.flp > I'm not sure what to pass the OS options. It has a nifty Install Windows NT > options...but , why? :) > > thanks, > Chris > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 13 2:29:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from radius.city-guide.com (radius.cityisp.net [216.2.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB71637C354; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:29:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@cityisp.net) Received: from enitech (unverified [216.2.8.218]) by radius.city-guide.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.181) with SMTP id ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:41:00 -0400 Message-ID: <007901bfecad$2d10db40$da0802d8@CityGuide.com> From: "Chris Lynch" To: Cc: , References: Subject: Re: First Time Alpha install Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:31:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yeah, That's what I'm doing now. Thanks for the quick responce people. Chris > > Ah, you need to switch from ARC to SRM- or flash new f/w in that has SRM. > None of the *BSD's support ARC as the OS monitor. > > On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Chris Lynch wrote: > > > I'm trying to install FreeBSD 4.0 on a DEC AlphaPC 164 LX. I've made two > > floppies, but, since it doesn't automatically boot from the floppy, I'm not > > sure what to put int the OS Selection Setup. > > I've inserted a new OS call it FreeBSD, boot from A: kern.flp > > I'm not sure what to pass the OS options. It has a nifty Install Windows NT > > options...but , why? :) > > > > thanks, > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 13 4: 9:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.147.1.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B63A37BDA5 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:09:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary@caramia.com) Received: from [24.147.44.120] (h0005022bd838.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.44.120]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA15652 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: gary@caramia.com@mailhost.caramia.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:08:49 -0400 To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Gary Girolimon Subject: Re: FreeBSD Newbies Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Is this list available in digest form? There did not seem to be instructions on how to subscribe to it in digest form when I signed up. Thanks, Gary __________________________ Gary Girolimon PO Box 5733 Manchester, NH 03108 eFax: (419) 730-7062 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 13 5:10:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8857837B90A for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:10:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pirol9999@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 12240 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2000 12:10:24 -0000 Received: from p3e9c34f9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO gmx.net) (62.156.52.249) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2000 12:10:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:12:07 +0200 From: Jens Sauer Reply-To: Jens Sauer To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to disable Kernel-Modules-Support? X-Mailer: Jens Sauer's registered AK-Mail 3.1 publicbeta2a [ger] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000713121029.8857837B90A@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>On Wed 2000-07-12 (22:19), Jens Sauer wrote: >> anyone can tell, how I can disable the support for Loadable Kernel >> Modules when compiling a new kernel. I tried kernel-option >> "option NO_LKM", but kldstat shows 3 loaded modules anyway. >> And I reviewed LINT many times, but still haven't found anything. >You might want to look in the init(8) man page, at the securelevel >section. >Neil >-- >Neil Blakey-Milner >Sunesi Clinical Systems >nbm@mithrandr.moria.org Thank you, I think that's the right way Jens To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 13 5:42:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from scooby.lineone.net (doggy.lineone.net [194.75.152.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C4F37C4CC for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:42:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adrian.fisher@lineone.net) Received: from cerebro (host213-1-5-135.host.btclick.com [213.1.5.135]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA26451 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:42:41 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000801bfecc7$38bfbc80$870501d5@cerebro> From: "Adrian Fisher" To: Subject: Differences Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:38:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFECCF.95D653E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFECCF.95D653E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am new to Unix and as such do not understand the differences (if any) = between Linux and the different BSD distributions. 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFECCF.95D653E0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 13 7:49:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A838237BEDB for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:49:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Joe.Warner@smed.com) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D521623C for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26136 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:49:24 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:49:09 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525691B.005159A4 ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:48:33 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: "Adrian Fisher" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <8525691B.0051575C.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:50:06 -0600 Subject: Re: Differences MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=Ra4T4t3aegxjF5MfPAIluy5tlSLHvpPwhGQcneuYJ1MfiFLhvEQyhjD5" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --0__=Ra4T4t3aegxjF5MfPAIluy5tlSLHvpPwhGQcneuYJ1MfiFLhvEQyhjD5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Find your answer here---->http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Linux+FreeBSD-1.html Cheers Joe |--------+---------------------------> | | "Adrian Fisher" | | | | | | | | | 07/13/00 06:38 AM| | | | |--------+---------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG | | cc: (bcc: Joe Warner/SMS) | | Subject: Differences | >--------------------------------------------------------| I am new to Unix and as such do not understand the differences (if any) between Linux and the different BSD distributions. I would be very grateful if you could give me an answer to this question. Thank you for your time and I look forward to hearing from you shortly. 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There did not seem to be > instructions on how to subscribe to it in digest form when I signed > up. > > Thanks, > > Gary > __________________________ > Gary Girolimon > PO Box 5733 > Manchester, NH 03108 > > eFax: (419) 730-7062 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 13 10:19:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4062337BEA2 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:19:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4211; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:21:08 -0700 Message-ID: <396DF98C.BF63DC02@acuson.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:17:00 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A micro net References: <14701.17211.576025.972452@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga wrote: > how can i do a small net with one FreeBSD box (gateway) and > one (argh)windows/98? Which cable i should use to link the > machines? There are a myriad ways to do this, but probably to the most straight forward is to use two ethernet cards. These cards are becoming very cheap now. I bought one last month for $25 US, but there were cheaper 10baseT cards for only $10 US. The FreeBSD gateway will neeed two cards, one to the outside world and one to the internal network. Another thing to use is a mull modem. This is simply a cable between the serial ports with one wire crossed. These cable can be purchased very cheaply, or you can easily make one (I don't have the wiring diagram). And finally, virtually every computer has a modem. So just connect them with a phone cord :-) It's slow, but it works. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 13 11: 8:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E8F37BF6C; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:08:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13CnPZ-00073p-00; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:08:37 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01052; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:46:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:46:04 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Mike Smith Cc: Chris Lynch , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org, newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: First Time Alpha install Message-ID: <20000713194604.C975@freebie.demon.nl> Reply-To: wilko@freebsd.org References: <004f01bfeca8$244b78d0$da0802d8@CityGuide.com> <200007130921.CAA00886@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200007130921.CAA00886@mass.osd.bsdi.com>; from msmith@freebsd.org on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 02:21:47AM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 02:21:47AM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > I'm trying to install FreeBSD 4.0 on a DEC AlphaPC 164 LX. I've made two > > floppies, but, since it doesn't automatically boot from the floppy, I'm not > > sure what to put int the OS Selection Setup. > > You don't boot FreeBSD from AlphaBIOS. Go to the setup screen and change > the OS to Unix, then save and power cycle the machine. When it comes > back, insert the first floppy and say 'boot dva0' at the prompt. Reading INSTALL.TXT is enlightening too.. -- Wilko Bulte http://www.freebsd.org "Do, or do not. 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFECCA.94C2B340-- _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 13 18:35:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DA037B5C6 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:35:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: from confusion.net (user-2iveafp.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.41.249]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA05489; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396E6E05.34F6DE3C@confusion.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:33:57 -0400 From: Laurence Berland Organization: B.R.A.T.T. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: David Johnson , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD in a Nutshell? References: <396B5C1E.F4EE8EB6@acuson.com> <20000712112346.D29642@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know who the (tentative) authors for these books will be? Greg Lehey wrote: [snip] > The other book has the provisional title "Advanced BSD System > Administration". > > Greg > -- -- Laurence Berland <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. http://stuy.debate.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 13 18:54:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (chmls05.mediaone.net [24.147.1.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B6137B7EC for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:54:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary@caramia.com) Received: from [24.147.44.120] (h0005022bd838.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.44.120]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA26298 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: gary@caramia.com@mailhost.caramia.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000601bfecd9$efb94ca0$46e47ad1@beefstew> References: <000601bfecd9$efb94ca0$46e47ad1@beefstew> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:54:05 -0400 To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Gary Girolimon Subject: Re: FreeBSD Newbies Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thats cool too (didn't know about that page), but what I really meant is a digest form of the email list so I would just get one email a day with all the days postings. Most lists I belong to have that option. Gary >Do you mean viewing the list like this? > >http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/current/freebsd-newbies.html > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Gary Girolimon >To: >Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 7:08 AM >Subject: Re: FreeBSD Newbies > > > > Hello, > > > > Is this list available in digest form? There did not seem to be > > instructions on how to subscribe to it in digest form when I signed > > up. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Gary > > __________________________ > > Gary Girolimon > > PO Box 5733 > > Manchester, NH 03108 > > > > eFax: (419) 730-7062 > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message __________________________ Gary Girolimon PO Box 5733 Manchester, NH 03108 eFax: (419) 730-7062 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 13 18:57:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2908537BA19 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:57:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA62322; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:27:15 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:27:15 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Laurence Berland Cc: David Johnson , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD in a Nutshell? Message-ID: <20000714112715.L30012@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <396B5C1E.F4EE8EB6@acuson.com> <20000712112346.D29642@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396E6E05.34F6DE3C@confusion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <396E6E05.34F6DE3C@confusion.net> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 13 July 2000 at 21:33:57 -0400, Laurence Berland wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: > [snip] >> The other book has the provisional title "Advanced BSD System >> Administration". > > Does anyone know who the (tentative) authors for these books will be? Yes. I'm writing it. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 13 21: 5:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail6.lig.bellsouth.net (mail6.lig.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D8337C1CA for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:05:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tymbrwlf@bellsouth.net) Received: from tymbrwlf (host-216-76-249-11.pns.bellsouth.net [216.76.249.11]) by mail6.lig.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with SMTP id AAA04273 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001001bfed48$988a1e40$0200a8c0@tymbrwlf> From: "Larry Hawk" To: "FreeBSD Newbies" References: <856532CB07BED3118FE300204840E28A589CB5@vexwncc02.hurlburt.af.mil> Subject: Re: RE: FreeBSD Users/Newbies in NW Florida area Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:04:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know what I need to use to do it (samba, ipfw or ipfilter, natd, etc); I just don't know enough about how to setup all of those things up. I guess what I'm saying is that I know what tools I need, I just don't know how to use them (yet). ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 2:43 PM Subject: RE: RE: FreeBSD Users/Newbies in NW Florida area > You can build a server running ipfw and natd for the gateway part and also > run samba on the same box for the interconnectivity with nt. Also if you are > going to be running a large internal network you might want to have another > server running dns and dhcp. I, myself am fairly new to the freebsd unix, my > background is with solaris and sco, but I was exposed to freebsd by a fellow > employee who is pretty much a freebsd guru. My box at home is running the > aboved mentioned services except for the samba, no need for it, with some > win98 machines for myself and my kids. I don't know how you connect to the > internet but that is where the fun begins. All info to build your initial > machine is on the home page at www.freebsd.org in the handbook section and > if you need I can send you some links on the firewall (ipfw) and natd > (network address translation deamon?) and how to get them running. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 13 22: 2:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from radius.city-guide.com (radius.cityisp.net [216.2.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AC637BAC9 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:02:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@cityisp.net) Received: from thebomb.city-guide.com (unverified [216.3.179.5]) by radius.city-guide.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.181) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:13:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:15:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Lynch X-Sender: lynch@thebomb.city-guide.com To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD in a Nutshell? In-Reply-To: <20000714112715.L30012@wantadilla.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > Does anyone know who the (tentative) authors for these books will be? > > Yes. I'm writing it. > > Greg Well, I'm still using your Complete FreeBSD Handbook, ver 3.2 for reference. Guess I'll be anticipating this books arrival. Thanks Greg, you help more than you know. later, Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 14 0:18:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sensyu.ne.jp (mail.sensyu.ne.jp [210.154.132.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC7E37C0A2 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:18:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fuji@sensyu.ne.jp) Received: from mail.sensyu.ne.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sensyu.ne.jp (8.9.3/3.7Wpl2-00061407) with SMTP id QAA29251 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:15:35 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:15:35 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200007140715.QAA29251@sensyu.ne.jp> From: =?iso-2022-jp?B?ZnV1eWFu?= To: =?iso-2022-jp?B?ZnJlZWJzZC1uZXdiaWVzQEZyZWVCU0QuT1JH?= Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCOkc9aSRHOkc4ZSROPnBKc0RzNiEhKhsoQg==?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset= "ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org $B$3$N%a!=%k$N%"%I%l%9$O<}=86He$2$^$9!#(B $B;d$O2<5-#3E@$N%S%8%M%9$GKh7n(B40$B!A(B85$BK|$N<}F~$,$"$j$^$9!#(B $B!J3+;O8e#3%v7nL\0L$G!"K\?&$N<}F~$OF~$l$:!*!K(B $B!c!cI,8+!*9bB.9b<}F~>pJs!*!*!d!d(B $B%"%a%j%+$rH/>MCO$H$7$?6<0RE*$J9b<}F~:_Bp%S%8%M%9$G$9!*(B $B:#7n$K$J$C$F;22Ce$N<}F~$rF@(B $B$F$$$^$9!*(B $B:n6HFbMF$b4JC1$G$9!#@kEA$9$k$@$1!*K\Ev$K6u$$$F$k;~4V$G$G$-$^$9!#(B $BL5NA@kEA>l=j>pJs$bL5NA$GDs6!$7$^$9!*(B $BL5NAEj9F%a%k%^%,%5%$%H(B100$B0J>e!"4uK>\:Y@bL@$7$F$$$^$9!*(B 7/17$B%5!<%S%93+;O!*$G$9$N$G(B $B8=:_EPO?u$OF|$K(B80$B$[$IEPO??t==; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:35:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p164.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.164]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA71660 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:33:13 +0200 Received: from moritz (moritz [10.0.0.4]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00493 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:25:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:25:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Voxware sound driver.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have the pcm driver in MYKERNEL, which comes without MIDI support. There were rumors, that MIDI is supported now in 4.0 RELEASE, but I havent found anything yet about it. So I think about running the voxware driver. Seen in /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/sound/Readme.cards, that my rather old Yamaha card MIDI chip is supported. dmesg tells me: pcm0: at port 0x240(etcpp.) irq 5 drq 0,1 on isa0 unknown0: at port 0x201 on isa0. Seems that I first must boot Windows and look around if I can find something about the IRQ which is used for MIDI there. Then two questions: (1) Named readme.cards tells me: Enable the generic OPL2/OPL3 FM synthesizer support if your card has a FM chip made by Yamaha. Don't enable it if your card has a software (TRS) based FM emulator. This is the MIDI chip. Well. But what do I use for the other chip, that works so well with the pcm driver, in voxware land ? (2) What is the prodecure of making MYKERNEL with this driver anyway. I read somewhere that I have to do a "make config". Think thats the place, where I have to enter the IRGs etc, make my choises. so it goes like config, make config, make depend, make and make install ? Has anybody ever used this Voxware thing ? Not a big fan of MIDI sounds, but it might be usefull in preparing files for midi2cs. Heiko @4.0 RELEASE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 14 15:56:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (laxmls02.socal.rr.com [24.30.163.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7B637C0E5 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:56:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@cerebralmaelstrom.com) Received: from Ryan (sc-24-160-53-72.socal.rr.com [24.160.53.72]) by laxmls02.socal.rr.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6EMuLw28597 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <012301bfede6$082ea980$0200a8c0@Ryan> From: "Stephen Hansen" To: Subject: Microsoft Intellimice? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:51:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm in the process of preparing to install FreeBSD 4.0 (waiting happily for the cd/handbook to arrive from Walnut), which will be about the third time i've ended up using it .. In the past i've always ended up reverting to windows due to duel-booting frustrations.. Now, with two computers, I won't have that problem.. Whee! Congratulate me. *grin* Anyways. The computer i'm installing it on is a 400mhz P2 w/ 128megs of ram and a 10gig hdd. The graphics card is a STB Velocity. I don't forsee issues with any of the above, since it ran Mandrake fine for a brief period (... decided I was curious about all the linux hype, so tried it out.. personal opinion: why bother? :) ) My one big question is actually sort unimportant sounding: Can I use my Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer? :-) I /love/ it, dispite the company that makes it.. I believe wheelmice have support under X, but I couldn't get the old default mouse to work when I was using X under Mandrake.. and those Forward/Backwards buttons are rather nice.. though as long as I have my mouse and my wheel, I'll be happy. My understanding is that FreeBSD doesn't support USB mice -- am I right? If so, it will work with the USB-to-PS/2 converter, I hope? Beyond that -- what features of the mouse will work (or, more importantly, not work? ) Erm. I'm suddenly thinking that I should be sending this to some X list, and if its offtopic, I apologize, lots.. Just scream and flog and i'll go send it to someone who's interested. :) Thanks in advance for any help. --Stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 14 17:32:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6749937BA2C for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:32:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA418C; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:34:27 -0700 Message-ID: <396FB097.3B865055@acuson.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:30:15 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Hansen Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Intellimice? References: <012301bfede6$082ea980$0200a8c0@Ryan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Stephen Hansen wrote: > My understanding is that FreeBSD doesn't support USB mice -- am I right? > If so, it will work with the USB-to-PS/2 converter, I hope? Beyond that -- > what features of the mouse will work (or, more importantly, not work? ) I can't give you specifics, or someone will scream and flog :-), but I can discuss the issue... FreeBSD *does* support USB mice. And I am pretty sure that this means all USB mice. And X does support the scroll wheel, although it is up the the individual applications to use it. Qt-2 has methods for wheel mice, and I believe GTK does as well. I've also seen stand-alone wheel mice libraries for the straight-X and console guys to use. This means that a Qt-2 program (LinCVS, QCad or QBrew, for example) will recognize the wheel mouse and scroll the (focused) scrollbars appropriately. The wheel movement is translated by Qt into a scrollbar movement event instead of a mouse event. I'm pretty sure GTK works similarly. I don't have a wheel mouse or I would quickly test it. If the IntelliMouse (who comes up with these names!) uses standard mouse protocols, (and the MS hardware division has been good about this, even if their software division has not) then there should be no problem. If the FreeBSD sysmouse "driver" doesn't work in X for that mouse, fiddle about with other mouse types in XF86Setup until you find one that works. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 14 18:29:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A00B37C6BB for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:29:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mrboboo@home.com) Received: from c158580a ([24.21.170.113]) by lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <20000715012934.WWVF13510.lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com@c158580a> for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:29:34 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01bfedfc$4c7f0ec0$71aa1518@mesqt1.tx.home.com> From: "MrBoboo" To: Subject: xwindows errors Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:30:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01BFEDD2.62B4E2C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BFEDD2.62B4E2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i installed the XFree86 3.3.5 through the sysinstaller and ran the setup = script, it saved it and then i am now trying to run the server = setup.----video info:V770Ultra, viewsonic g773 i am getting an error trying to run "XF86Setup" the error states: -not all the standard font files are installed -/usr/X11R6/X11/fonts/misc/6x13.pc* any clues to where i can get these fonts??? 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------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BFEDD2.62B4E2C0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 14 18:30:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E612037BAFC for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:30:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: from confusion.net (user-2iveadk.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.41.180]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04042; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396FBE62.D3B15397@confusion.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:29:06 -0400 From: Laurence Berland Organization: B.R.A.T.T. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: David Johnson , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD in a Nutshell? References: <396B5C1E.F4EE8EB6@acuson.com> <20000712112346.D29642@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396E6E05.34F6DE3C@confusion.net> <20000714112715.L30012@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey wrote: > > On Thursday, 13 July 2000 at 21:33:57 -0400, Laurence Berland wrote: > [snip] > > Does anyone know who the (tentative) authors for these books will be? > > Yes. I'm writing it. > Great to hear, anyone know about the Nutshell one? -- Laurence Berland <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. http://stuy.debate.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 14 19:21:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6EA37B9CD for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:21:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00643 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:30:14 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:30:14 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200007150230.MAA00643@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 15 2:28:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8680D37C4C5 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 02:28:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA48842; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:58:38 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:58:38 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Laurence Berland Cc: David Johnson , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD in a Nutshell? Message-ID: <20000715185838.P30012@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <396B5C1E.F4EE8EB6@acuson.com> <20000712112346.D29642@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396E6E05.34F6DE3C@confusion.net> <20000714112715.L30012@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396FBE62.D3B15397@confusion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <396FBE62.D3B15397@confusion.net> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 14 July 2000 at 21:29:06 -0400, Laurence Berland wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: >> >> On Thursday, 13 July 2000 at 21:33:57 -0400, Laurence Berland wrote: >> [snip] >>> Does anyone know who the (tentative) authors for these books will be? >> >> Yes. I'm writing it. >> > > Great to hear, anyone know about the Nutshell one? Oops, sorry. Somehow I misread the question and thought that that one was known. Brett Glass. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 15 12:36:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cr743503-a.etob1.on.wave.home.com (cr743503-a.etob1.on.wave.home.com [24.114.23.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72A337B67F for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:36:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis.favro@utoronto.ca) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unknown [192.168.0.2]) by cr743503-a.etob1.on.wave.home.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB96EA08; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dennis@cr743503-a.etob1.on.wave.home.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801bfecc7$38bfbc80$870501d5@cerebro> References: <000801bfecc7$38bfbc80$870501d5@cerebro> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:36:30 -0400 To: "Adrian Fisher" From: Dennis Favro Subject: Re: Differences Cc: FreeBSD-Newbies Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1248432697==_ma============" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --============_-1248432697==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I am new to Unix and as such do not understand the differences (if >any) between Linux and the different BSD distributions. Depends, do you mean technical or political differences? There's lots of small differences, but we can pretty much ignore them and go straight to the big four: (I've undoubtledly made some mistakes here -- more knowledgeable people can fill in what I've goofed) 1. Ancestry: ============ FreeBSD (and OpenBSD, and NetBSD and BSDI's BSD/OS, etc) are all direct ancestors of the original, real UNIX. This used to be more important than it is now. Basically, BSD slightly more true to form if you're a programmer, but less so if you're a casual user. Linux is a UNIX work-alike. It was developed from scratch, without any roots in the original UNIX code. Its not UNIX -- in many low-level ways its fairly different from the traditional UNIXes. Again, if you're not doing hard-core programming, this won't matter much. FreeBSD is ostensibly older, more stable and a little faster (in some ways) than a Linux distribution based on the current v2.2.x Linux kernel (like RedHat 6.2) but your mileage may vary: some things run better on Linux than FreeBSD and vice-versa. 2. Bundling: FreeBSD (and Open, and Net and.... ) are distributions (much the same way RedHat, Debian, Slackware and Corel are). A distribution encompasses the kernel (the underpinnings of the operating system responsible for talking to the hardware and providing ways for other programs to access said hardware) as well as all the additional programs (anything from 'ls', which lists the contents of a directory, through to Netscape Communicator). Practically the entire BSD distribution is written and packaged by the distribution maintainers. For example, the FreeBSD people know about (and have written) everything that's part of the FreeBSD distribution. Linux is just a kernel. RedHat, Debian, Corel, Slackware, Mandrake, SuSE (and more) just wrap a bunch of programs (like an 'ls' utility, Netscape, X-Windows and more) around that kernel and call it their distribution. That's why there's no Linux as such - there's RedHat Linux, Debian GNU/Linux, Corel Linux. The additional programs that come bundled with the Linux kernel often aren't written by the organization. For example, RedHat bundles the GNU file utilities (which includes ls and other small programs) as well as many other programs. Basically, FreeBSD fits together a lot better than Linux. You tend to get less broken stuff. Plus, most programs follow FreeBSD's standards of behaviour, so they're easier to use once you get used to the whole system. Linux's tools are a bit of a mish-mash. The plus side is that a basic Linux system has a broader array of stuff (although FreeBSD makes this up if you start adding things from the Ports collection -- but software from Ports is not as tightly controlled by the FreeBSD people) 3. License: I'm not getting into the details here -- I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not qualified to give a good interpretation. Plus I don't care one whit about licensing. Linux (the kernel) is licensed under the GPL. Linux distributions are a mix of various licenses (because the tools are licensed differently). BSD is usually under the BSD license, while add-on software (like the aforementioned ports collection) is a similar mish-mash. 4. Popularity: Linux has more software and hardware available for it because its more widely used and has more hype behind it. Most free software packages are available for both platforms, and FreeBSD (and OpenBSD, and NetBSD) can run most Linux applications. If there's something that doesn't work or isn't available for BSD, just wait a bit. Note that, in a lot of cases, commercial software written for Linux is written for Linux on Intel x86 hardware. This means that it won't run on Linux for Alpha, SPARC, MIPS or PPC (or FreeBSD Alpha, or any of the the non-x86 versions of OpenBSD and NetBSD). This just plain ticks me off. -- --dennis --============_-1248432697==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Differences
I am new to Unix and as such do not understand the differences (if any) between Linux and the different BSD distributions.

  Depends, do you mean technical or political differences? <grin>

  There's lots of small differences, but we can pretty much ignore them and go straight to the big four: (I've undoubtledly made some mistakes here -- more knowledgeable people can fill in what I've goofed)

1. Ancestry:
============
  FreeBSD (and OpenBSD, and NetBSD and BSDI's BSD/OS, etc) are all direct ancestors of the original, real UNIX.  This used to be more important than it is now.  Basically, BSD slightly more true to form if you're a programmer, but less so if you're a casual user.

  Linux is a UNIX work-alike.  It was developed from scratch, without any roots in the original UNIX code.  Its not UNIX -- in many low-level ways its fairly different from the traditional UNIXes.  Again, if you're not doing hard-core programming, this won't matter much.

  FreeBSD is ostensibly older, more stable and a little faster (in some ways) than a Linux distribution based on the current v2.2.x Linux kernel (like RedHat 6.2) but your mileage may vary: some things run better on Linux than FreeBSD and vice-versa.

2. Bundling:
  FreeBSD (and Open, and Net and.... ) are distributions (much the same way RedHat, Debian, Slackware and Corel are).  A distribution encompasses the kernel (the underpinnings of the operating system responsible for talking to the hardware and providing ways for other programs to access said hardware) as well as all the additional programs (anything from 'ls', which lists the contents of a directory, through to Netscape Communicator).  Practically the entire BSD distribution is written and packaged by the distribution maintainers. For example, the FreeBSD people know about (and have written) everything that's part of the FreeBSD distribution.

  Linux is just a kernel.  RedHat, Debian, Corel, Slackware, Mandrake, SuSE (and more) just wrap a bunch of programs (like an 'ls' utility, Netscape, X-Windows and more) around that kernel and call it their distribution.  That's why there's no Linux as such - there's RedHat Linux, Debian GNU/Linux, Corel Linux.  The additional programs that come bundled with the Linux kernel often aren't written by the organization.  For example, RedHat bundles the GNU file utilities (which includes ls and other small programs) as well as many other programs.

  Basically, FreeBSD fits together a lot better than Linux.  You tend to get less broken stuff.  Plus, most programs follow FreeBSD's standards of behaviour, so they're easier to use once you get used to the whole system.  Linux's tools are a bit of a mish-mash.  The plus side is that a basic Linux system has a broader array of stuff (although FreeBSD makes this up if you start adding things from the Ports collection -- but software from Ports is not as tightly controlled by the FreeBSD people)

3. License:
  I'm not getting into the details here -- I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not qualified to give a good interpretation.  Plus I don't care one whit about licensing.
Linux (the kernel) is licensed under the GPL.  Linux distributions are a mix of various licenses (because the tools are licensed differently).  BSD is usually under the BSD license, while add-on software (like the aforementioned ports collection) is a similar mish-mash.

4. Popularity:
  Linux has more software and hardware available for it because its more widely used and has more hype behind it.  Most free software packages are available for both platforms, and FreeBSD (and OpenBSD, and NetBSD) can run most Linux applications.  If there's something that doesn't work or isn't available for BSD, just wait a bit.

  Note that, in a lot of cases, commercial software written for Linux is written for Linux on Intel x86 hardware.  This means that it won't run on Linux for Alpha, SPARC, MIPS or PPC (or FreeBSD Alpha, or any of the the non-x86 versions of OpenBSD and NetBSD).  This just plain ticks me off.

--
--dennis <mailto://dennis.favro@utoronto.ca>
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