From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 23 5: 3: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26DFC37B945 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 05:02:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12111; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:02:35 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "ROADRUNNER" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdg12109; Sun Jul 23 22:02:22 2000 Message-ID: <003b01bff49e$5d0741b0$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> From: "Doug Young" To: "leegold" , References: <000b01bff0cb$f90fe8e0$57e17ad1@beefstew> Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of view Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:05:53 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you are happy with NT you'll be ecstatic with 2000 ... at least apart from its horrendous appetite for RAM. I agree with your point on the documentation issue though. There's no shortage of intelligible NT / 2000 stuff but apart from the handbook & Greg Lehey's publication there's precious little else at newbie level for FreeBSD. Apart from the docs, I'm very impressed with the performance of the bunch of CLI FreeBSD boxes I'm responsible for ... the things just keep running with nary a problem. I can't say the same for FreeBSD as a workstation though ...... all the window managers I've messed around with are extremely poxy compared with the excellent Solaris CDE. I did track down a site which offers what appears to be the genuine CDE for FreeBSD but haven't had the time to look closely .... for non commercial use its much easier to stick with Solaris and not have to bother with linux apps .. if the commercial CDE is the "real thing" though & linux apps like StarOffice / Oracle / etc function properly I would think FreeBSD could well be a viable alternative to Windows in many commercial situations. ----- Original Message ----- From: "leegold" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 1:22 AM Subject: new books, changing my pt. of view > Isn't anybody worried that the new O'Reilly books in the making will leave > the newbie w/the short end of the stick paper documentation-wise? Imo, this > is the current state of affairs. > > wait a second, > > But upon refection, I have been realizing that I am DIRECTLY comparing WinNT > and FreeBSD and I now think it's apples vs. oranges. A fairer comparison is > FreeBSD WITH KDE vs. WinNT. > > I know I'll be publicly flogged for saying this but NT is easier to learn > and is apparently an easier OS to document for the newbie ( by is very > nature and culture ) than Unix a.k.a. FreeBSD. I am primarily talking about > CLIENTS - yeah I think NT workstation is a good client. Kneejerks that it > crashes is not true Imo. > > But, I'm immature: > > I think I should get w/the program and start thinking of FreeBSD as a server > and NOT continue trying to configure and learning it as an ultra-stable > ( x ) windows client machine - cause I'm in that "mode" and I saw the > "answer" months ago - KDE w/all the bells and whistles - truly amazing. > > so, x windows works, I can use Netscape if I have to. I think I have to > explore the "core" of FreeBSD - as the ultimate internet server OS vs. > client. Whatdya think? > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 23 10: 8:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73DB37B63A for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:08:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rd64pro@pacbell.net) Received: from ryan ([207.212.134.233]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0FY5005IKU6Q5W@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:05:18 -0700 From: Ryan Subject: unsubscribe freebsd-newbies To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Reply-To: Ryan Message-id: <000901bff4c8$2dc53a40$e986d4cf@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe freebsd-newbies To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 23 12:53: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web6103.mail.yahoo.com (web6103.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.22.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D34F237BCCA for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:53:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kvnwg@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20000723195340.1350.qmail@web6103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.11.122] by web6103.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:53:40 PDT Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:53:40 -0700 (PDT) From: kvnwg Reply-To: kvnwg@yahoo.com Subject: Help on routed. To: BSD-Newbie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The topology of the LAN is like this: (A is leaf node) ___B__ A__[ ]____D___ ... [___C__] "routed"s are running on all of these machines. B, C and D are "gateway-enable". But now machine D can not ping A without adding the route manually. It turns out that B and C are not advertising their route to A to D. (Note: I use "routed -s" on B, C and D, and "routed -q" on A.) Why is that? thanx -- K __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 23 13:16: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 707A237B948 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 13:16:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmdupx@yahoo.com) Received: from unknown (HELO jmdupx.surreynet.com) (195.44.215.89) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2000 13:52:53 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: jmdupx@yahoo.com To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:53:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: ports and version (differences) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: <20000723201602.707A237B948@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org there is now lots of different versions of fbsd, with probably still quite a wide range of people using anything from 2.2 thru 3.0/3.4 to 4.0, so where does this leave the usability of ports and things like X? what extent do you need to replace stuff like this when you move from one dist of fbsd to the next ? jmdupx@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 23 15:18:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D516637B7AD for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:18:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mrboboo@home.com) Received: from c158580a ([24.21.170.113]) by lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <20000723221817.FDAM13510.lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com@c158580a> for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:18:17 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01bff4f4$21184720$71aa1518@mesqt1.tx.home.com> From: "MrBoboo" To: "newbie @ freebsd" Subject: oreily book Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 17:19:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFF4CA.3829D520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFF4CA.3829D520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable since we keep on hearing about the O'reily book that WILL be released = somethime, anyone know the ISBN #?????????????? Rob=20 mrboboo@home.com ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFF4CA.3829D520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
since we keep on hearing about the = O'reily book=20 that WILL be released somethime, anyone know the ISBN=20 #??????????????
Rob
mrboboo@home.com
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFF4CA.3829D520-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 23 15:18:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE22B37B9D1 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:18:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mrboboo@home.com) Received: from c158580a ([24.21.170.113]) by lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <20000723221834.FDDX13510.lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com@c158580a> for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:18:34 -0700 Message-ID: <002601bff4f4$2b142000$71aa1518@mesqt1.tx.home.com> From: "MrBoboo" To: "newbie @ freebsd" Subject: icq ports Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 17:20:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01BFF4CA.4225AE00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BFF4CA.4225AE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable which port is the best ICQ clone/prog?? i have heard of Licq but is that the best, i also have aol im i am running xfree85 3.3.5 and KDE 1.1.1 plan on upgrading soon =20 Rob mrboboo@home.com ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BFF4CA.4225AE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
which port is the best ICQ=20 clone/prog??
i have heard of Licq but is that the = best, i also=20 have aol im
i am running xfree85 3.3.5 and KDE=20 1.1.1
plan on upgrading=20 soon   
Rob
mrboboo@home.com
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------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BFF4CA.4225AE00-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 23 15:55:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9DE0237BDC0 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:55:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rewted@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 21740 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jul 2000 22:55:29 -0000 Received: from as53-04-75.cas-kit.golden.net (HELO elite) (209.226.187.75) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 23 Jul 2000 22:55:29 -0000 Message-ID: <007801bff511$f74051e0$4bbbe2d1@elite> From: "rewted" To: Subject: Solaris vs. FreeBSD Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:53:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sun workstation equipped with Solaris is often used in University and research environments, usually Sun workstations are powerful machines. So the question is - in a caculation environment (modelling, graphing, etc.) is Solaris faster than FreeBSD? Assuming that FreeBSD is running on a Intel machine with equivalent frequency, memory, floating point, etc... as a Sun SPARCstation with Solaris installed. Is FreeBSD suitable for research institudes? - rewted ------------------------- #exclude rewted@gmx.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 23 16:33:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail5.lig.bellsouth.net (mail5.lig.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0D537B5C3 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 16:33:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tymbrwlf@bellsouth.net) Received: from tymbrwlf (host-216-76-248-40.pns.bellsouth.net [216.76.248.40]) by mail5.lig.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with SMTP id TAA09116 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001d01bff4fe$3a84b770$0200a8c0@tymbrwlf> From: "Larry Hawk" To: "FreeBSD Newbies" Subject: High-End Graphics Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:31:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01BFF4D4.45043150" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BFF4D4.45043150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have any experience with running high-end graphics programs on FreeBSD (i.e. Maya, Softimage, etc)? The only 3D program I have heard anything about is Blender. 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Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:20:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@q.closedsrc.org) Received: from localhost (lplist@localhost) by q.closedsrc.org (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6O5Hcf31088; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:17:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@q.closedsrc.org) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:17:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Linh Pham To: rewted Cc: freEbSd-NEWBiEs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Solaris vs. FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <007801bff511$f74051e0$4bbbe2d1@elite> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It really depends... the SPARC processor (mostly the newer ones) tend to have faster FPU performance then the Intel Pentium II processors. I'm not sure if that has changed with the introduction of the Coppermine Pentium III processor. If you must have fast FPU performance, the DEC (err, Compaq) Alpha processor has one of the fastest FPU and Integer performance ratings and some Alpha based workstations might be cheaper than comparable SPARC workstations. Solaris might be a better choice if you have to use a lot of commercial software and require vendor support. But I'm definitely not discounting that FreeBSD on the newer x86 processors (like the Athlon Thunderbird) and Alpha processors as being as fast as Solaris/SPARC. I hope this helps a little // Linh Pham // // Proud supporter of FreeBSD and OpenBSD // FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org // OpenBSD - http://www.openbsd.org /* "Oregon, n.: Eighty billion gallons of water with no place to go on Saturday night." */ On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, rewted wrote: > Sun workstation equipped with Solaris is often used in University and > research environments, usually Sun workstations are powerful machines. So > the question is - in a caculation environment (modelling, graphing, etc.) is > Solaris faster than FreeBSD? Assuming that FreeBSD is running on a Intel > machine with equivalent frequency, memory, floating point, etc... as a Sun > SPARCstation with Solaris installed. Is FreeBSD suitable for research > institudes? > > - rewted > > ------------------------- > #exclude > rewted@gmx.net > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 23 23:12:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f305.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 831BD37BBB6 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:12:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chessyproof@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 24845 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jul 2000 06:12:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000724061209.24844.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.23.20.113 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:12:09 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.23.20.113] From: "Yan Chen" To: FreeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:12:09 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How do make the Modem and sound card run under 3.4? DO I have to install drivers or anything like that? My soundcard : Creative SoundBlaster Live! (PCI) Modem: Aopen PCI Modem, under Win2000, it said HCF 56K PCI Modem Thank You ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 0:55: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f309.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.187]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4941337B506 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:55:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ntvsunix@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 11199 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jul 2000 07:55:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000724075506.11198.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.53.54.44 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:55:06 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.53.54.44] From: "Some Person" To: mpoulin@honk.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD article Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:55:06 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org excellent work! > >Hopefully this little review I wrote will help to convert the masses... > >http://www.chapters.ca/software/editorial/freebsd/ > > >- M - > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 1: 6: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D246037BEAA for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:05:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p84.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.84]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA70474; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:03:49 +0200 Received: from moritz (moritz [10.0.0.4]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08963; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:44:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:44:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: griffith@stat.ualberta.ca Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sources for programming ideas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I find it hard to learn a new programming language without having a > specific problem in mind. So the first thing I usually do when I want to Like learning a wordprocessor with a text, that must be written. have some ideas but no knowledge, how to speak in C to the PC Speaker, how to make something like the sound (?) command in Turbo Pascal. Is there any simple tutorial for c, a manpage, where this is explained ? H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 5:35:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D6EBA37B860 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 05:35:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 28319 invoked by alias); 24 Jul 2000 12:35:45 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 28311 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jul 2000 12:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.106.188) by slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 24 Jul 2000 12:35:44 -0000 Message-ID: <397C373E.2C9FEF19@uswest.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 06:31:58 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marty Poulin Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD article References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marty, This is one of the best articles I've read lately. It's short, easy to read and says a lot. Great job! 8^) Joe Marty Poulin wrote: > Hopefully this little review I wrote will help to convert the masses... > > http://www.chapters.ca/software/editorial/freebsd/ > > - M - > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- FreeBSD = The Power to Serve ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 6:48:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f60.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3435A37B975 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 06:48:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from midios3@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 77683 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jul 2000 13:48:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000724134802.77682.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.66.101.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 06:48:02 PDT X-Originating-IP: [195.66.101.66] From: "Dimitri T." To: mpoulin@honk.org Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD article Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:48:02 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, indeed it's a very good article that will do the job ;^) I was surprised when I read the following: FreeBSD is much more than an experimental platform. Some of the most popular Web sites rely on it, including Yahoo! and Hotmail. I knew about Yahoo but Hotmail?! Mircrosoft's Hotmail relies on FreeBSD? is this true? If it is, then I guess this is the best advertisment for our favourite o.s. ;) bye, dimitri ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 7: 7: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from spectre.honk.org (cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.42.175.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFBD37B527 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:07:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from spectre.honk.org (mpoulin@spectre.honk.org [24.42.175.137]) by spectre.honk.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA23878; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:08:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:08:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin To: "Dimitri T." Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD article In-Reply-To: <20000724134802.77682.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes, it's true. Though you'll never hear Microsoft admit it. And the latest rumour that I heard was that they are trying to replace it with Windows 2000 servers (any day now...) Which makes me wonder: With all of the standards-based technologies included in Windows 2000 (TCP/IP, Kerberos, 3Des, etc...) how much of that do you suppose was "borrowed" from BSD code? The BSD license is perfect for just that sort of thing. We'll never know, I guess. - M - On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Dimitri T. wrote: > hi, > indeed it's a very good article that will do the job ;^) > > I was surprised when I read the following: > > > FreeBSD is much more than an experimental platform. Some of the most popular > Web sites rely on it, including Yahoo! and Hotmail. > > > I knew about Yahoo but Hotmail?! Mircrosoft's Hotmail relies on FreeBSD? is > this true? > If it is, then I guess this is the best advertisment for our favourite o.s. > ;) > > bye, > dimitri > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 7:21:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx2out.umbc.edu (mx2out.umbc.edu [130.85.253.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 570CB37B619 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:21:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tnguye21@umbc.edu) Received: from umbc.edu (207-172-128-246.s246.tnt1.col.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.128.246]) by mx2out.umbc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27975 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <397C523E.162D262D@umbc.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:27:10 -0400 From: Tamgiao Nguyen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: "Dangerously dedicated" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, What does "dangerously dedicated" mean? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 7:23:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D4537B719 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:23:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Joe.Warner@smed.com) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCFF6161AC for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25646 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:23:32 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:23:20 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256926.004EF89C ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:22:34 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: Tamgiao Nguyen Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <85256926.004EF616.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:24:10 -0600 Subject: Re: "Dangerously dedicated" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In what context? |--------+-----------------------> | | Tamgiao | | | Nguyen | | | | | | | | | 07/24/00 | | | 08:27 AM | | | | |--------+-----------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG | | cc: (bcc: Joe Warner/SMS) | | Subject: "Dangerously dedicated" | >--------------------------------------------------------| Hi, What does "dangerously dedicated" mean? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 7:41:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC71337BA1B for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:41:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@q.closedsrc.org) Received: from localhost (lplist@localhost) by q.closedsrc.org (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6OEcHb32574; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:38:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@q.closedsrc.org) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:38:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Linh Pham To: "Dimitri T." Cc: mpoulin@honk.org, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD article In-Reply-To: <20000724134802.77682.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yep... if you go to http://www.netcraft.com and query hotmail.com (which is one of the more queried sites), you will see that it runs FreeBSD. NetCraft themselves run FreeBSD, as well as Pair Networks. My ISP uses OpenBSD :) // Linh Pham // // Proud supporter of FreeBSD and OpenBSD // FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org // OpenBSD - http://www.openbsd.org /* "Oregon, n.: Eighty billion gallons of water with no place to go on Saturday night." */ On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Dimitri T. wrote: > hi, > indeed it's a very good article that will do the job ;^) > > I was surprised when I read the following: > > > FreeBSD is much more than an experimental platform. Some of the most popular > Web sites rely on it, including Yahoo! and Hotmail. > > > I knew about Yahoo but Hotmail?! Mircrosoft's Hotmail relies on FreeBSD? is > this true? > If it is, then I guess this is the best advertisment for our favourite o.s. > ;) > > bye, > dimitri > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 7:47:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from trill.hh.se (trill.hh.se [194.47.5.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E1637BC37 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:47:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from u98jobj@stud.hh.se) Received: from malin (gs177.gsten.hh.se [194.47.16.177]) by trill.hh.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA24061 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:47:25 +0200 (MET DST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Joel_Bj=F6rk?= To: Subject: RE: FreeBSD article Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:47:26 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > Yes, it's true. Though you'll never hear Microsoft admit it. http://www.netcraft.com/whats/ Type in www.hotmail.com and see for yourselves :) I have heard rumours about them trying to migrate to NT when they first bought it but that it failed miserably. /Joel Björk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 7:57:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from inga.augusta.de (inga.augusta.de [213.179.139.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF5137B914 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:57:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from case@inga.augusta.de) Received: (from case@localhost) by inga.augusta.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA69815 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:57:31 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:57:31 +0200 From: Wolfgang Kess To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD article Message-ID: <20000724165730.A69705@inga.augusta.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from u98jobj@stud.hh.se on Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 04:47:26PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 04:47:26PM +0200, Joel Björk wrote: > http://www.netcraft.com/whats/ > > Type in www.hotmail.com and see for yourselves :) > > I have heard rumours about them trying to migrate to NT when they first > bought it but that it failed miserably. It is a fact, there was a big crash trying to use NT 4.0 Servers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 9:29:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (law-f236.hotmail.com [209.185.130.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E3737BBD5 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:29:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ronnetron@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:29:06 -0700 Received: from 63.203.116.218 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.203.116.218] From: "Ron Smith" To: tnguye21@umbc.edu Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Dangerously dedicated" Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:29:06 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2000 16:29:06.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[49814B60:01BFF58C] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You won't be able to dual-boot a diferent operating system from the same disk drive. Ron Smith >From: Tamgiao Nguyen >To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >Subject: "Dangerously dedicated" >Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:27:10 -0400 > >Hi, > >What does "dangerously dedicated" mean? > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 15:12:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86FBA37BC56 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:12:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrs@enteract.com) Received: from shell-1.enteract.com (jrs@shell-1.enteract.com [207.229.143.40]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA93192; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:11:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jrs@enteract.com) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:11:56 -0500 (CDT) From: John Sconiers To: Yan Chen Cc: FreeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <20000724061209.24844.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > How do make the Modem and sound card run under 3.4? DO I have to install > drivers or anything like that? > My soundcard : Creative SoundBlaster Live! (PCI) build kernel with: > Modem: Aopen PCI Modem, under Win2000, it said HCF 56K PCI Modem Not sure...haven't heard of that kind To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 15:13:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (law-f277.hotmail.com [209.185.130.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4841E37BD3B for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:13:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ronnetron@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:13:11 -0700 Received: from 63.203.116.218 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.203.116.218] From: "Ron Smith" To: tymbrwlf@bellsouth.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: High-End Graphics Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:13:11 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2000 22:13:11.0830 (UTC) FILETIME=[5AF49B60:01BFF5BC] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Houdini is the only *high-end* professional 3D animation package that I'm aware of that's officially ported from The famed SGI platform to LINUX. Hopefully, the port to FreeBSD will follow. There may be a port over to LINUX for Softimage also in the works. Although, I haven't heard anything official on this one yet. Ron >From: "Larry Hawk" >To: "FreeBSD Newbies" >Subject: High-End Graphics >Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:31:50 -0500 > >Does anyone have any experience with running high-end >graphics programs on FreeBSD (i.e. Maya, Softimage, etc)? >The only 3D program I have heard anything about is Blender. >I use 3dsMax on Windows NT at work and I was just curious. ><< smime.p7s >> ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 15:25:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sn1oexchr01.nextvenue.com (sn1oexchr01.nextvenue.com [63.209.169.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE00437BD86 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:25:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nevans@nextvenue.com) Received: FROM sn1exchmbx.nextvenue.com BY sn1oexchr01.nextvenue.com ; Mon Jul 24 18:23:54 2000 -0400 Received: by sn1exchmbx.nextvenue.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3987SR3T>; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:21:17 -0400 Message-ID: <712384017032D411AD7B0001023D799B07CA49@sn1exchmbx.nextvenue.com> From: Nick Evans To: 'Ron Smith' , tymbrwlf@bellsouth.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: High-End Graphics Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:21:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFF5BD.7BB4E520" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFF5BD.7BB4E520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It's sad that Houdini is so expensive... -----Original Message----- From: Ron Smith [mailto:ronnetron@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 6:13 PM To: tymbrwlf@bellsouth.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: High-End Graphics Houdini is the only *high-end* professional 3D animation package that I'm aware of that's officially ported from The famed SGI platform to LINUX. Hopefully, the port to FreeBSD will follow. There may be a port over to LINUX for Softimage also in the works. Although, I haven't heard anything official on this one yet. Ron >From: "Larry Hawk" >To: "FreeBSD Newbies" >Subject: High-End Graphics >Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:31:50 -0500 > >Does anyone have any experience with running high-end >graphics programs on FreeBSD (i.e. Maya, Softimage, etc)? >The only 3D program I have heard anything about is Blender. >I use 3dsMax on Windows NT at work and I was just curious. ><< smime.p7s >> ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFF5BD.7BB4E520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: High-End Graphics

It's sad that Houdini is so expensive...

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Houdini is the only *high-end* professional 3D = animation package that I'm
aware of that's officially ported from The famed SGI = platform to LINUX.
Hopefully, the port to FreeBSD will follow. There = may be a port over to
LINUX for Softimage also in the works. Although, I = haven't heard anything
official on this one yet.

Ron

>From: "Larry Hawk" = <tymbrwlf@bellsouth.net>
>To: "FreeBSD Newbies" = <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
>Subject: High-End Graphics
>Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:31:50 -0500
>
>Does anyone have any experience with running = high-end
>graphics programs on FreeBSD (i.e. Maya, = Softimage, etc)?
>The only 3D program I have heard anything about = is Blender.
>I use 3dsMax on Windows NT at work and I was = just curious.
><< smime.p7s >>

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------_=_NextPart_001_01BFF5BD.7BB4E520-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 15:44:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF9537B768 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:44:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4EC4; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:46:18 -0700 Message-ID: <397CC637.B9999E35@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:41:59 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Sconiers Cc: Yan Chen , FreeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: your mail References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Sconiers wrote: > > Modem: Aopen PCI Modem, under Win2000, it said HCF 56K PCI Modem > > Not sure...haven't heard of that kind Most PCI modems tend to be winmodems. This means that they will only work under windows. All modem software that is normally onboard, such as Vbis, etc., is now supplied as a windows driver. This is a Bad Thing(tm). Not only does it mean you have no FreeBSD/Linux/Solaris drivers, it also means that you don't really have a 56K modem, just a 9600 baud modulator/demodulator. Even if you had Windows, this would still be a bad deal. As tough as it sounds, you may need to go buy a new modem. And non-winmodems are more expensive than winmodems. Basically, anything that is PCI or less than $50 dollars will be a winmodem, though there are exceptions. Look for a modem that says it will work with DOS (or any other OS besides Windows). Last I looked, the Creative ModemBlaster was fine. The safest bet though is to get an external modem. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 15:50: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from stone.locallink.net (Stone.LocalLink.Net [204.71.156.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB6337BC38 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpitcher@stone.locallink.net) Received: (from kpitcher@localhost) by stone.locallink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27561; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000724185039.29136@locallink.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:50:39 -0400 From: Keith Pitcher To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Modems References: <397CC637.B9999E35@acuson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <397CC637.B9999E35@acuson.com>; from David Johnson on Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 03:41:59PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > other OS besides Windows). Last I looked, the Creative ModemBlaster was > fine. The safest bet though is to get an external modem. I'd skip the modemblaster. I tried for awhile to get a 56K isa modemblaster working and failed. I had asked on the lists for any suggestions, all I got were many emails asking if I'd succeeded - not a success story among them. I did a search on buy.com, found a lucent 56k modem that works fine. It was even advertised as working with Linux (Not FreeBSD however, how sad) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 15:53:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F0F37BA5D for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:53:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@q.closedsrc.org) Received: from localhost (lplist@localhost) by q.closedsrc.org (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6OMooJ34242; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:50:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@q.closedsrc.org) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:50:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Linh Pham To: David Johnson Cc: John Sconiers , Yan Chen , FreeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <397CC637.B9999E35@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, David Johnson wrote: > > > Modem: Aopen PCI Modem, under Win2000, it said HCF 56K PCI Modem > > Most PCI modems tend to be winmodems. This means that they will only > work under windows. All modem software that is normally onboard, such as > Vbis, etc., is now supplied as a windows driver. This is a Bad > Thing(tm). Not only does it mean you have no FreeBSD/Linux/Solaris > drivers, it also means that you don't really have a 56K modem, just a > 9600 baud modulator/demodulator. Even if you had Windows, this would > still be a bad deal. HCF modems are also a pain to deal with, even in Windows :) WinModems use the processor as the DSP and thus use pathetic drivers to do the talking. Linux has support for some Lucent WinModems, but I would definitely avoid PCI modems at all costs. You can probably find decent ISA 56K modems for around $60-80 dollars. Your best bet is to get an external modem or an internal ISA modem that does not have any fancy options (like speakerphone or CPU off-loading). You can probably spot a lot of WinModems by looking at their requirements. One, they require Windows. The next one is that they require a Pentium processor (many require MMX to off-load the DSP calls use to MMX instructions). If you look on the majority of WinModems, you will find the lack of a DSP. Modems with almost no hardware are almost always WinModems. // Linh Pham // http://closedsrc.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 16:29:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.radiks.net (mail.radiks.net [205.138.126.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C12E37BD26 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:29:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johnmxl@radiks.net) Received: from radiks.net (dsp-575-omaha.radiks.net [206.153.216.149]) by mail.radiks.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA05511 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:29:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <397CD175.5D44057B@radiks.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:29:57 -0500 From: John Amdor III Reply-To: johnmxl@radiks.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail References: <397CC637.B9999E35@acuson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is pretty obvious, but having learned the hard way I'll pass it on and maybe save someone some head-scratching... Make sure the serial port that you connect your new external modem to is running a 16550 UART...anything faster than abt 14.4k on a 16450 causes problems. Of course, if your MB is relatively new, that shouldn't be a problem. On the other hand, if you are like me and keeping older hardware alive, it does become a concern. John Amdor David Johnson wrote: > As tough as it sounds, you may need to go buy a new modem. And > non-winmodems are more expensive than winmodems. Basically, anything > that is PCI or less than $50 dollars will be a winmodem, though there > are exceptions. Look for a modem that says it will work with DOS (or any > other OS besides Windows). Last I looked, the Creative ModemBlaster was > fine. The safest bet though is to get an external modem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 16:40:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A7837B55A for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:40:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA6900; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:42:08 -0700 Message-ID: <397CD34E.3E67506E@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:37:50 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Keith Pitcher Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Modems References: <397CC637.B9999E35@acuson.com> <20000724185039.29136@locallink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Keith Pitcher wrote: > > > other OS besides Windows). Last I looked, the Creative ModemBlaster was > > fine. The safest bet though is to get an external modem. > > I'd skip the modemblaster. I tried for awhile to get a 56K isa modemblaster > working and failed. I had asked on the lists for any suggestions, all I got > were many emails asking if I'd succeeded - not a success story among them. Hmmm, I didn't have any problems with it. What I did, to avoid PnP hassles, was to change the jumpers to valid IRQ's and IO ports, instead of using the shipping default of PnP. Make sure these numbers match what your kernel is compiled with, and voila! > I did a search on buy.com, found a lucent 56k modem that works fine. It was > even advertised as working with Linux (Not FreeBSD however, how sad) If it will work under Linux (or DOS, OS/2, etc), it will work under FreeBSD. That's because every OS besides Windows is content with accessing modems through IRQ's and ports instead of hardware specific drivers. There's absolutely no reason to use drivers for modems except to reduce manufacturing costs. All a modem should appear to be from the computer's perspective is a serial port. David p.s. As you can tell, I do not think very highly of winmodems. They are an engineering kludge of the highest order. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 16:41:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D5037B589 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:41:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@q.closedsrc.org) Received: from localhost (lplist@localhost) by q.closedsrc.org (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6ONcEo34348; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:38:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@q.closedsrc.org) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:38:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Linh Pham To: John Amdor III Cc: FreeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <397CD175.5D44057B@radiks.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, John Amdor III wrote: > Make sure the serial port that you connect your new external modem to is > running a 16550 UART...anything faster than abt 14.4k on a 16450 causes > problems. Of course, if your MB is relatively new, that shouldn't be a > problem. On the other hand, if you are like me and keeping older > hardware alive, it does become a concern. There are two versions of the 16550 UART. There is the 16550 and the 16550A. Make sure it's the latter since the original 16550 lacks a decent buffer and can easily cause huge headaches. // Linh Pham // http://closedsrc.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 16:44: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E9337B783 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:43:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@q.closedsrc.org) Received: from localhost (lplist@localhost) by q.closedsrc.org (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6ONf1N34360; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:41:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@q.closedsrc.org) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:41:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Linh Pham To: David Johnson Cc: Keith Pitcher , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Modems In-Reply-To: <397CD34E.3E67506E@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, David Johnson wrote: > p.s. As you can tell, I do not think very highly of winmodems. They are > an engineering kludge of the highest order. Prefectly said :) // Linh Pham // http://closedsrc.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 16:49:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D258737B873 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:49:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA6D16; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:51:26 -0700 Message-ID: <397CD57D.5DE87539@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:47:09 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linh Pham Cc: FreeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Linh Pham wrote: > You can probably spot a lot of WinModems by looking at their > requirements. One, they require Windows. The next one is that they require > a Pentium processor (many require MMX to off-load the DSP calls use to MMX > instructions). If you look on the majority of WinModems, you will find the > lack of a DSP. Modems with almost no hardware are almost always WinModems. Even Windows users would do very well to avoid winmodems. Your CPU has better things to do than process modem signals. My friend was downloading a large file, and as he started the download I noticed that his CPU meter on his taskbar quickly spiked, while the responsiveness of Windows fell to nil. He assumed that CPU intensive downloads was normal OS behavior... David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 16:50:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1out.umbc.edu (mx1out.umbc.edu [130.85.253.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B6237BCA1 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:50:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tnguye21@umbc.edu) Received: from umbc.edu (207-172-132-30.s30.tnt5.col.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.132.30]) by mx1out.umbc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17639 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <397CD7A3.60C27CD@umbc.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:56:19 -0400 From: Tamgiao Nguyen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Modem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Linh Pham wrote: > but I would definitely avoid PCI modems at all costs. Just curious, why would PCI be a bad choice? Some newer motherboards have no ISA slots at all. Would FreeBSD have any problems with non-Winmodem PCI modems? What do you think about this US Robotics (3Com) modem: http://www.3com.com/client/pcd/analog/pci_faxmodem_features.html It's not a Winmodem. Regarding external modems, the annoying thing about them is that who knows how long the power adapter is gonna last. Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 16:56:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail6.lig.bellsouth.net (mail6.lig.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5102337B775 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:56:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tymbrwlf@bellsouth.net) Received: from tymbrwlf (host-216-76-248-208.pns.bellsouth.net [216.76.248.208]) by mail6.lig.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with SMTP id TAA14849 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003501bff5ca$b74dee80$0200a8c0@tymbrwlf> From: "TymbrWlf" To: "FreeBSD Newbies" Subject: RE: High-End Graphics Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:55:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01BFF5A0.CCDB4D80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01BFF5A0.CCDB4D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was just curious because I know that there are High-end 3D programs that run on UNIX and I was wondering if anyone has had the chance to see if these programs can run on FreeBSD. Blender is pretty cool but kinda primitive (no-offense meant) compared to 3dsMax, Maya, Softimage, Lightwave, etc. I know that GIMP is a rough equal to Photoshop, but the 3D stuff seems kinda sparse... 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Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:14:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA14D; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:16:04 -0700 Message-ID: <397CDB41.992435F@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:11:45 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tamgiao Nguyen Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Modem References: <397CD7A3.60C27CD@umbc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tamgiao Nguyen wrote: > Just curious, why would PCI be a bad choice? Some newer motherboards have no ISA > slots at all. Would FreeBSD have any problems with non-Winmodem PCI modems? The problem is that 95% of PCI modems are also Winmodems. So if you're going to get a PCI modem, you need to carefully check it out (like you did below). > What do you think about this US Robotics (3Com) modem: > > http://www.3com.com/client/pcd/analog/pci_faxmodem_features.html This one looks good. Since the requirements do not list Linux (it only says it works with Linux), I see no problems with it for FreeBSD. However, serial port parameters are built into the kernel, so if a PCI modem changes its ports you might have a problem. You will probably have to define its IRQ and port in your BIOS, instead of letting it autoconfigure. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 17:15:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FFF337B7EF for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:15:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@q.closedsrc.org) Received: from localhost (lplist@localhost) by q.closedsrc.org (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6P0Ctx34426; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:12:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@q.closedsrc.org) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:12:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Linh Pham To: Tamgiao Nguyen Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Modem In-Reply-To: <397CD7A3.60C27CD@umbc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Tamgiao Nguyen wrote: > Just curious, why would PCI be a bad choice? Some newer motherboards have no ISA > slots at all. Would FreeBSD have any problems with non-Winmodem PCI modems? > > What do you think about this US Robotics (3Com) modem: > > http://www.3com.com/client/pcd/analog/pci_faxmodem_features.html > > It's not a Winmodem. Call me old fashioned, but I personally prefer external modems mostly because I can save one slot for something more important. If the AC adapter dies, then I hack one together. I think it's kind of wasteful to use up a PCI slot if all it needs to do is transfer a maximum of 115.2Kbps over the bus. // Linh Pham // http://closedsrc.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 24 17:41:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (law-f243.hotmail.com [209.185.130.208]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ABE337B6D9 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:41:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ronnetron@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:41:52 -0700 Received: from 63.203.116.218 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.203.116.218] From: "Ron Smith" To: tymbrwlf@bellsouth.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: High-End Graphics Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:41:52 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2000 00:41:52.0557 (UTC) FILETIME=[201F85D0:01BFF5D1] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yep! In fact nearly *all* of the production class 3D animation and special FX programs got their start on UNIX platforms (SGI and SUN usually) because the OS was/is more stable and friendly to multiple processing and handling *large* memory and disk space footprints. I think the trend to port these pakages from SGI, et. al., to LINUX... let's say will increase because of the lowered cost in these OpenOS boxes, and the fact that these packages make use of many of these boxes tied together to do distributed tasks such as scene rendering. As I see it, the faster these packages port over to LINUX, the faster we'll see the FreeBSD versions :). R.S. >From: "TymbrWlf" >To: "FreeBSD Newbies" >Subject: RE: High-End Graphics >Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:55:56 -0500 > >I was just curious because I know that there are High-end 3D programs that >run on UNIX and I was wondering if anyone has had the chance to see if >these >programs can run on FreeBSD. Blender is pretty cool but kinda primitive >(no-offense meant) compared to 3dsMax, Maya, Softimage, Lightwave, etc. I >know that GIMP is a rough equal to Photoshop, but the 3D stuff seems kinda >sparse... > >Larry Hawk > ><< smime.p7s >> ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 25 5:44: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 41FF537BD84 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 05:44:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 85568 invoked by alias); 25 Jul 2000 12:43:53 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 85559 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jul 2000 12:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.106.220) by slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 25 Jul 2000 12:43:52 -0000 Message-ID: <397D8AA2.99E6239E@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 06:40:02 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rk?= Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD article References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Something funny happened this morning. I went to the netcraft link below and typed in www.hotmail.com and it said they were using WIN 2000 servers. I went back a few minutes later and pulled them up again and it said they were running on FreeBSD. What's up with that? Joel Björk wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, it's true. Though you'll never hear Microsoft admit it. > > http://www.netcraft.com/whats/ > > Type in www.hotmail.com and see for yourselves :) > > I have heard rumours about them trying to migrate to NT when they first > bought it but that it failed miserably. > > /Joel Björk > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- FreeBSD = The Power to Serve ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 25 8:38:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f262.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C54337B6EC for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:38:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ewitkop90@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 79290 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jul 2000 15:38:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000725153807.79289.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.43.195.202 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:38:07 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.43.195.202] From: "erik witkop" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: mouse question Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:38:07 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Could someone help me. I am quite the newbie. I am trying to install 4.0 on a Dell. I have the following mouse. http://www.microsoft.com/catalog/display.asp?site=309&subid=22&pg=1 I think I want it on COM2, but I am not sure which driver it is looking for. Please help! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 25 8:50:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f147.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330D237B507 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:50:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jasonla_@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:50:41 -0700 Received: from 209.249.20.61 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.249.20.61] From: "Jason La" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: 3Com C509 Ethernet Problem Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:50:41 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2000 15:50:41.0841 (UTC) FILETIME=[161BF210:01BFF650] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have fbsd 4.0 and tried to install it on my machine with a 3Com c509 NIC. However, when I do a dmesg, fbsd says that the eprom is not read or not responding on the device ep0. The card works fine under linux and under fbsd 3.1. I have turned off plug-and-play on the NIC Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Jason La jasonla_@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 25 9: 1:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9C537B642 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:01:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p100.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.100]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA64722; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:58:54 +0200 Received: from moritz (moritz [10.0.0.4]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04977; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:20:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:20:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: TymbrWlf Cc: FreeBSD Newbies Subject: RE: High-End Graphics In-Reply-To: <003501bff5ca$b74dee80$0200a8c0@tymbrwlf> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > programs can run on FreeBSD. Blender is pretty cool but kinda primitive > (no-offense meant) compared to 3dsMax, Maya, Softimage, Lightwave, etc. I > know that GIMP is a rough equal to Photoshop, but the 3D stuff seems kinda > sparse... If looking like Photoshop is what you want, then blender might look a little bit primitive. Btw, blender isnt open source or whatever, GNU etc, like Gimp, but a commercial product. Ask Phillips (?), why they give it away... www.neogeo.nl, btw ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 25 9: 2: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B1037B66D for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:01:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Joe.Warner@smed.com) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55712161C8 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12454 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:01:56 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:01:47 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256927.0057FB88 ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:01:00 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: "Jason La" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <85256927.0057F95C.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:02:37 -0600 Subject: Re: 3Com C509 Ethernet Problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Have you compiled the support for this NIC into your kernel? If not, you may want to start here-->http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html Cheers Joe |--------+-----------------------> | | "Jason La" | | | | | | | | | 07/25/00 | | | 09:50 AM | | | | |--------+-----------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG | | cc: (bcc: Joe Warner/SMS) | | Subject: 3Com C509 Ethernet Problem | >--------------------------------------------------------| I have fbsd 4.0 and tried to install it on my machine with a 3Com c509 NIC. However, when I do a dmesg, fbsd says that the eprom is not read or not responding on the device ep0. The card works fine under linux and under fbsd 3.1. I have turned off plug-and-play on the NIC Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Jason La jasonla_@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 25 9:25: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740DA37B68D for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:24:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Joe.Warner@smed.com) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13961618F for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15173 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:24:49 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:24:45 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256927.005A1648 ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:23:59 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: "erik witkop" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <85256927.005A1538.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:25:39 -0600 Subject: Re: mouse question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You should be ok going with a "PS/2 Style" mouse. For more information, go here--->http://people.FreeBSD.org/~rpratt/40/mouse.html |--------+-----------------------> | | "erik witkop"| | | | | | | | | 07/25/00 | | | 09:38 AM | | | | |--------+-----------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG | | cc: (bcc: Joe Warner/SMS) | | Subject: mouse question | >--------------------------------------------------------| Could someone help me. I am quite the newbie. I am trying to install 4.0 on a Dell. I have the following mouse. http://www.microsoft.com/catalog/display.asp?site=309&subid=22&pg=1 I think I want it on COM2, but I am not sure which driver it is looking for. Please help! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 25 10:22:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from musrvr2.ummu.umich.edu (musrvr2.ummu.umich.edu [141.213.37.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E78537B993 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:22:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nlevitt@umich.edu) Received: from bloater.ummu.umich.edu (root@bloater.ummu.umich.edu [141.213.35.41]) by musrvr2.ummu.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA02409; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (nlevitt@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bloater.ummu.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA00159; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:21:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Noah Abraham Levitt X-Sender: nlevitt@bloater.ummu.umich.edu To: Joe Warner Cc: Joel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rk?= , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD article In-Reply-To: <397D8AA2.99E6239E@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I got the same thing, but it seems to come up with freebsd 4 out of 5 times or so. According to http://www.netcraft.com/os/accuracy.html,=20 "The reported operating system may be different to the one you expected because: =20 =2E =2E=20 "The site load shares across multiple servers using different operating systems with round robin DNS. In such cases each query might detect a different OS." On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Joe Warner wrote: > Something funny happened this morning. I went to the netcraft link below > and typed in www.hotmail.com and it said they were using WIN 2000 servers= =2E > I went back a few minutes later and pulled them up again and it said they > were running on FreeBSD. What's up with that? >=20 >=20 > Joel Bj=F6rk wrote: >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it's true. Though you'll never hear Microsoft admit it. > > > > http://www.netcraft.com/whats/ > > > > Type in www.hotmail.com and see for yourselves :) > > > > I have heard rumours about them trying to migrate to NT when they first > > bought it but that it failed miserably. > > > > /Joel Bj=F6rk > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message >=20 > -- >=20 > FreeBSD =3D The Power to Serve > ..Simply put =3D FreeBSD Rocks! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 25 16:39:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from castillo.torrentnet.com (castillo.torrentnet.com [4.18.161.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5721237BB85; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:39:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bengeri@torrentnet.com) Received: from localhost (bengeri@localhost) by castillo.torrentnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA25090; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:39:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Sudhindra Bengeri To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: booting single usr mode: / was not properly dismounted Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, The primary kernel file, /kernel has some problem, I have a backup of this file on the /home filesystem. The other kernel file that I have in the root device fails to boot in the multiuser mode. I tried entering the single user mode, by boot: /kernel.ORIG -s This boots up but gives the following warning WARNING: / was not properly dismounted the root-device is not mounted read-only. Is there any way by which I can dismount this read-only filesystem and mount it as read-write. Thanks in anticipation. Regards, Sudhin -- Sudhindra Suresh Bengeri bengeri@torrentnet.com Ericsson IP Infrastructure (919) 472-9945 Fax:(919) 472-9999 920 Main Campus Drive, Suite 544 Raleigh, NC 27606 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 25 16:59: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from castillo.torrentnet.com (castillo.torrentnet.com [4.18.161.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169CB37BBD8; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:58:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bengeri@torrentnet.com) Received: from localhost (bengeri@localhost) by castillo.torrentnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA25280; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:58:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Sudhindra Bengeri To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting single usr mode: / was not properly dismounted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry, I had a typo in my prev posting. I had written "the root-device is not mounted read-only" it should have been "the root-device is now mounted read-only". Rgds, Sudhin On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Sudhindra Bengeri wrote: > Hi, > > The primary kernel file, /kernel has some problem, I have a backup of this > file on the /home filesystem. The other kernel file that I have in the > root device fails to boot in the multiuser mode. > > I tried entering the single user mode, by > > boot: /kernel.ORIG -s > > This boots up but gives the following warning > > WARNING: / was not properly dismounted > > the root-device is not mounted read-only. Is there any way by which I can > dismount this read-only filesystem and mount it as read-write. > > Thanks in anticipation. > > Regards, > Sudhin > > -- > Sudhindra Suresh Bengeri bengeri@torrentnet.com > Ericsson IP Infrastructure (919) 472-9945 Fax:(919) 472-9999 > 920 Main Campus Drive, Suite 544 Raleigh, NC 27606 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 25 18:55:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rly-ip01.mx.aol.com (rly-ip01.mx.aol.com [205.188.156.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E14E37BD7B for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:55:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from John1mick@cs.com) Received: from tot-wn.proxy.aol.com (tot-wn.proxy.aol.com [205.188.197.131]) by rly-ip01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with ESMTP id VAA26903 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (AC92D080.ipt.aol.com [172.146.208.128]) by tot-wn.proxy.aol.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6Q1srU28963 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000501bff6a4$12199880$3bb2b13f@oemcomputer> From: "John Michelini" To: Subject: COM for Unix Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:51:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Apparently-From: JohnCrealey@cs.com Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey Everyone, I was thinking about the COM/DCOM equivalent for Unix. Would that be only Java? John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 25 19:43:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from death.arcdiv.com (death.arcdiv.com [216.162.34.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E83F637BBFF for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:43:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevin@ticktockman.com) Received: from ticktockman.com (adsl-77-224-251.atl.bellsouth.net [216.77.224.251]) by death.arcdiv.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e6Q2fbB100281; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <397E50F8.BC72D68D@ticktockman.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:46:16 -0400 From: kevin godfrey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Michelini Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: COM for Unix References: <000501bff6a4$12199880$3bb2b13f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Both Java's RMI and CORBA are COM/DCOM competitors. Each has a different approach, but will accomplish many of the same things. John Michelini wrote: > Hey Everyone, > > I was thinking about the COM/DCOM equivalent for Unix. Would that be only > Java? > > John > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 25 22:23:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nsyd.neis.com.au (nsyd.neis.net.au [203.18.160.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB1037BE16 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:23:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Michael.Henry@neis.com.au) Received: from sunbox.neis.com.au (sunbox.neis.com.au [203.18.160.79]) by nsyd.neis.com.au (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA15962 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:21:27 +1000 (EST) Received: from pilot ([172.16.1.138]) by sunbox.neis.com.au (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA06905 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:22:10 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:22:10 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200007260522.PAA06905@sunbox.neis.com.au> Newsgroups: muc.lists.freebsd.newbies,mpc.lists.freebsd.newbies Subject: Re: booting single usr mode: / was not properly dismounted From: Michael.Henry@neis.com.au (Michael Henry) References: Organization: NEIS Pty. Ltd. User-Agent: Xnews/Y2K-SE To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> >> WARNING: / was not properly dismounted >> >> the root-device is now mounted read-only. Is there any way by which I >> can dismount this read-only filesystem and mount it as read-write. You have to fsck your filesystem: # fsck /dev/ad0s1a (substitute the device on which your root filesystem resides, of course). This will mark your filesystem "clean", so you can mount it read/write. By the way, the root filesystem cannot be dismounted. If it is mounted read-only you can mount it read/write by issuing the command: # mount -w /dev/ad0s1a To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 26 4:15:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ctimail3.com (main1.my3mail.com [203.80.96.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6ED537BE4B for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:15:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from July3@wsi-hk.com) Received: from oemcomputer27 (207user29.ctimail3.com [203.80.207.29]) by mail.ctimail3.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA02336 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:15:23 +0800 (HKT) Message-Id: <200007261115.TAA02336@mail.ctimail3.com> From: "Peter Forsythe" To: "freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org" Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:11:29 +0800 Subject: Workplace English and Summer Specials Reply-To: July3@wsi-hk.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [This email is an update of Hong Kong government's Workplace English Campaign, and of Wall Street Institute English specials for July. 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Peter Forsythe Fax form to 2575 1999 or email to July@wsi-hk.com: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please send me more information on WEC and Summer Specials: Name _____________________________ Address___________________________ Phone_____________________________ Fax_______________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------ (For remove, put "remove" in subject line or click on remove@wsi-hk.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 26 8: 2:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9300037B937 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:02:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03932; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 01:01:51 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from dougy.apana.org.au(203.3.126.131), claiming to be "DOUGY" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdEx3930; Thu Jul 27 01:01:42 2000 Message-ID: <005e01bff712$ef408c00$837e03cb@DOUGY> From: "Doug Young" To: , "Jason La" Cc: References: <85256927.0057F95C.00@Deimos.smed.com> Subject: Re: 3Com C509 Ethernet Problem Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 01:05:26 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been using the generic 3-com 507 thingy for 509 cards and its always worked perfectly for me ... at least a dozen boxes with 509's running around Brisbane OZ for months with 3.2 & 4.0 and never a sign of problems with ye olde 509's :) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jason La" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 2:02 AM Subject: Re: 3Com C509 Ethernet Problem > > > Have you compiled the support for this NIC into your kernel? If not, you > may want to start > here-->http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html > > Cheers > > Joe > > > > |--------+-----------------------> > | | "Jason La" | > | | | | mail.com> | > | | | > | | 07/25/00 | > | | 09:50 AM | > | | | > |--------+-----------------------> > >--------------------------------------------------------| > | | > | To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG | > | cc: (bcc: Joe Warner/SMS) | > | Subject: 3Com C509 Ethernet Problem | > >--------------------------------------------------------| > > > > > > I have fbsd 4.0 and tried to install it on my machine with a 3Com c509 NIC. > However, when I do a dmesg, fbsd says that the eprom is not read or not > responding on the device ep0. The card works fine under linux and under > fbsd > 3.1. I have turned off plug-and-play on the NIC > > Any help is appreciated. > > Thanks, > Jason La > jasonla_@hotmail.com > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 26 8:12:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web4301.mail.yahoo.com (web4301.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9808D37BF2A for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:12:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael_deroche@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20000726151248.115.qmail@web4301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [154.11.96.62] by web4301.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:12:48 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:12:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael de Roche Subject: Re: FreeBSD article To: Joe Warner Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Same thing happened to me Monday night when I was showing a co-working the site .... Ask one of the mirco-serfs I work with and he stated they are attempting to move hotmail to Win2000.... Could Microsoft be that stupid??? --- Joe Warner wrote: > Something funny happened this morning. I went to the > netcraft link below > and typed in www.hotmail.com and it said they were using > WIN 2000 servers. > I went back a few minutes later and pulled them up again > and it said they > were running on FreeBSD. What's up with that? > > > Joel Björk wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it's true. Though you'll never hear Microsoft > admit it. > > > > http://www.netcraft.com/whats/ > > > > Type in www.hotmail.com and see for yourselves :) > > > > I have heard rumours about them trying to migrate to NT > when they first > > bought it but that it failed miserably. > > > > /Joel Björk > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the > message > > -- > > FreeBSD = The Power to Serve > ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ===== michael_deroche@yahoo.com Meandering to a different drummer...... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 26 8:13:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7274237BF35 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:13:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rewted@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 4965 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jul 2000 15:13:32 -0000 Received: from as53-04-82.cas-kit.golden.net (HELO elite) (209.226.187.82) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 26 Jul 2000 15:13:32 -0000 Message-ID: <000701bff72c$e7f3cec0$52bbe2d1@elite> From: "rewted" To: Subject: Linux or FreeBSD article Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:49:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I found an interesting article http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/%7Eengl109m/singhcomparison.html -rewted To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 26 8:40:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4FC37BB91 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:40:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p68.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.68]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA70590 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 17:37:58 +0200 Received: from moritz (moritz [10.0.0.4]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01863 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:17:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:17:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Recording audio with rec.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Basic stuff, so the gods may forgive me this question. DAP is very nice, but no harddiskrecording. So I have to use rec (which comes with "play"), to record some long music pieces. But, all I can do is record things in 8bit 8000 Hz, the default. If I do rec -r 22050 -sw bla.wav, the file is mostly empty. Why ? I add my dmesg soundcard output, the driver is pcm, the system 4.0: pcm0: at port 0x240-0x24f,0xe80-0xe87,0x388-0x38f, 0x300-0x301,0x100-0x101 irq 5 drq 0,1 on isa0 Any idea ? Is there any other program I could try ? Thanks, Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 26 10: 5:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35B537B713 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:05:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA1D73; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:07:43 -0700 Message-ID: <397F19D8.2A9BBF66@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:03:20 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rewted Cc: FREEBSD-NEWBIES@FREEBSD.org Subject: Re: Linux or FreeBSD article References: <000701bff72c$e7f3cec0$52bbe2d1@elite> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org rewted wrote: > > I found an interesting article > http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/%7Eengl109m/singhcomparison.html Parts of this are highly inaccurate and misleading. Linux is called democratic because users decide what get's in the kernel, while FreeBSD is called republican because it has a core team. If we takes these political analogies, then Linux is more like a dictatorship because only Linus decides what goes in the kernel. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 26 22:27: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail156.nifty.com (mail156.nifty.com [202.248.37.168]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCABD37B91A; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:26:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from otonadake@020.co.uk) Received: from wyagi2sv by mail156.nifty.com (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W-10/13/99) with SMTP id OAA15621; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:26:37 +0900 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:26:37 +0900 From: otonadake@020.co.uk Message-Id: <200007270526.OAA15621@mail156.nifty.com> Received: (shiroyagi 2.5.2 Release build 1409) ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:18:13 +0900 (JST) To: addr1 Subject: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJTMlXyVlJUslRiUjMnNNd0hHGyhC?= X-Shiroyagi-ID: 200007110001 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Adult Only Adult Only Adult Only Adult Only Adult Only $B$3$3$+$i@h$N#U#R#L$O#1#8:PL$K~$NJ}$O!V@dBP$K!*!*!W(B $B%/%j%C%/$7$J$$$G2<$5$$!#8f6(NO$K46e$2$?$$!#(B $B2Z5r!)!)!!$b$A$m$s$$$C$Q$$$"$j$^$9$h!#(B $B8+$;$m!)!!$$$$$G$7$g$&!";d$b!VD.2qD9!W$@!#(B $B5.J}$K$@$1FCJL$K8+$;$F$"$2$h$&!#!!(B $B6b!)!!$=$s$J$b$N$O$$$i$s!#(B $B9%$-$J$@$18+$K9T$-$J$5$$!#!!$7$+$7!"5v$;$s!#2a7c$9$.$k!*(B http://www.ss.iij4u.or.jp/~awabi/moromachi3/ $B!!!!(B $B!AD.2qD9$+$i$NDI?-!A(B $BpJs!W$KFI; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:04:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rayvinly@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 29661 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2000 04:04:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000728040420.29660.qmail@web1901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.23.125.10] by web1901.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:04:20 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:04:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Raymond Law Subject: what kind of unix is freebsd To: FREEBSD-NEWBIES@FREEBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What kind of unix is FreeBSD? AIX, SCO, HP, ...??? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 28 5:51:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD2037C1D7 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:51:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from douglas.needham@lmco.com) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.ems.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02880 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) id <0FYE00F01ROQ25@lmco.com> for FREEBSD-NEWBIES@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.183.24.5]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) with ESMTP id <0FYE00B7LROJA2@lmco.com> for FREEBSD-NEWBIES@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:56:17 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:48:13 -0400 From: "Needham, Douglas" Subject: RE: what kind of unix is freebsd To: FREEBSD-NEWBIES@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B402E2E804@EMSS09M13> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org BSD Unix. There were early on mainly two Unices AT&T and BSD Unix. FreeBSD inherits from the BSD side. AIX, SCO, HP and others are "children" or "grandchildren" of either AT&T , or BSD Unix. > -----Original Message----- > From: Raymond Law [SMTP:rayvinly@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 12:04 AM > To: FREEBSD-NEWBIES@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: what kind of unix is freebsd > > What kind of unix is FreeBSD? AIX, SCO, HP, ...??? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 28 5:53:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sunburst.csfi.com (sunburst.csfi.com [204.1.38.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BC037BF24 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:53:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yong@csfi.com) Received: from yongdell (pc_yong [204.1.38.26]) by sunburst.csfi.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id IAA00509; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:53:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Yong Lim" To: "Raymond Law" , Subject: RE: what kind of unix is freebsd Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:54:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000728040420.29660.qmail@web1901.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please check out the www.freebsd.org site. It will have a good explanation there. If you want some lively discussions on FreeBSD as compare to Linux or other Unix checkout www.slashdot.org at the BSD section. Most of the BSD threads invariable will have why BSD is better and where it originated. Yong -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Raymond Law Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 12:04 AM To: FREEBSD-NEWBIES@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: what kind of unix is freebsd What kind of unix is FreeBSD? AIX, SCO, HP, ...??? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 28 6:54:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A6637C1C9 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 06:54:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lconrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 6B67C6A901 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:55:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sv.Go2France.com [212.73.210.79] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.03) id A0CC760260; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:55:24 +0200 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000728155106.04c06890@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: lconrad%Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:51:29 +0200 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Fwd: RE: what kind of unix is freebsd Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.daemonnews.org/200006/dadvocate.html >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Raymond Law >Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 12:04 AM >To: FREEBSD-NEWBIES@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: what kind of unix is freebsd > > >What kind of unix is FreeBSD? AIX, SCO, HP, ...??? http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com: ISC BIND 8.2.2 p5 installable binary for NT4 http://IMGate.MEIway.com: Build free, hi-perf, anti-spam mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 28 7:22: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f39.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF0037BC2D for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:22:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ewitkop90@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:22:05 -0700 Received: from 207.43.195.201 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.43.195.201] From: "erik witkop" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: A little IP help Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:22:05 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2000 14:22:05.0051 (UTC) FILETIME=[344B6CB0:01BFF89F] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am having a conflict with my static ip address and my dhcp given address. I know I shouldn't use both but that is how it is setup right now. when I do a "dhclient" it says there is a conflict but I can ping other subnets(I don't know how). What command can I do to see what IP address I currently have? I would like to do an "ipconfig" type command, like in WINDOWS. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 28 7:35:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB90C37B757 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:35:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Joe.Warner@smed.com) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA48161F2 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09220 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:35:45 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:34:06 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525692A.004FF52F ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:33:21 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: "erik witkop" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <8525692A.004FF394.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:35:00 -0600 Subject: Re: A little IP help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What command can I do to see what IP address I currently have? I would like to do an "ipconfig" type command, like in WINDOWS. Try ifconfig xl0 You also may want to take a look at the ifconfig and netstat man pages. Joe |--------+-----------------------> | | "erik witkop"| | | | | | | | | 07/28/00 | | | 08:22 AM | | | | |--------+-----------------------> >---------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG | | cc: (bcc: Joe Warner/SMS) | | Subject: A little IP help | >---------------------------------------------------------| I am having a conflict with my static ip address and my dhcp given address. I know I shouldn't use both but that is how it is setup right now. when I do a "dhclient" it says there is a conflict but I can ping other subnets(I don't know how). What command can I do to see what IP address I currently have? I would like to do an "ipconfig" type command, like in WINDOWS. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 28 7:43:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f4.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F5B37BA37 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:43:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ewitkop90@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:43:47 -0700 Received: from 207.43.195.201 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.43.195.201] From: "erik witkop" To: jukka.simila@sveg.se.sykes.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: A little IP help Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:43:47 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2000 14:43:47.0403 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C8E91B0:01BFF8A2] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks Jukka. The IFCONFIG -a worked beautifully. But it brings me to other questions. How can I change the terminal length if I were running, lets say xfree86 xterm. On a cisco router it would be "terminal length (screenlength #). Is there something similiar I could do on freebsd? Also, when I do a "stand/sysinstall" it says directory not found, even though I am lookig right at it, under an LS command. I want to change my IP address. >From: Jukka Similä >To: 'erik witkop' >Subject: RE: A little IP help >Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:24:37 +0200 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [195.67.11.210] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBB4AE2A7008ED82197BDC3430BD24F0F0; Fri Jul 28 07:24:40 2000 >Received: by RATATOSK.sveg.se.sykes.com with Internet Mail Service >(5.5.2650.21)id ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:24:38 +0200 >From jukka.simila@sveg.se.sykes.com Fri Jul 28 07:26:46 2000 >Message-ID: ><8F68F32EB034D311A4A700508B4417D702F5FC13@RATATOSK.sveg.se.sykes.com> >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) > > > > don't know how). What command can I do to see what IP address > > I currently > > have? I would like to do an "ipconfig" type command, like in WINDOWS. > >ifconfig -a >netstat -r > >are you friends.. >don't blame me if I remember wrong, i'm not with my beloved fbsd box now... > >@-,--`--,--- >Jukka Simila ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 28 8:14:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from trill.hh.se (trill.hh.se [194.47.5.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D79E37C268 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:14:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from u98jobj@stud.hh.se) Received: from gs177.gsten.hh.se (chip@gs177.gsten.hh.se [194.47.16.177]) by trill.hh.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28507; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:13:57 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:14:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Joel Bjork To: erik witkop Subject: RE: A little IP help Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, jukka.simila@sveg.se.sykes.com Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 28-Jul-00 erik witkop wrote: > Thanks Jukka. The IFCONFIG -a worked beautifully. But it brings me to other > questions. How can I change the terminal length if I were running, lets say > xfree86 xterm. On a cisco router it would be "terminal length (screenlength >#). Is there something similiar I could do on freebsd? Also, when I do a > "stand/sysinstall" it says directory not found, even though I am lookig > right at it, under an LS command. I want to change my IP address. /stand/sysinstall will probably work ^ looks like you forgot the slash. /Joel Björk -- ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Joel Bjork Date: 28-Jul-00 Time: 17:14:26 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 28 8:26:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f67.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5961E37C213 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:26:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ewitkop90@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:26:15 -0700 Received: from 208.24.179.202 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.24.179.202] From: "erik witkop" To: u98jobj@stud.hh.se Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: A little IP help Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:26:15 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2000 15:26:15.0514 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B5973A0:01BFF8A8] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That was a typo. I simply did not type the slash in my email. Simon Neilson told me to type ./sysinstall and that worked like a charm. Thanks for everyones help. Right now I am taking from the group, but I promise I will give back to the group. >From: Joel Bjork >To: erik witkop >CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, jukka.simila@sveg.se.sykes.com >Subject: RE: A little IP help >Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:14:26 +0200 (CEST) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [204.216.27.18] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBB4AEF5C004DD820F3D4CCD81B12660C0; Fri Jul 28 08:19:03 2000 >Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 538)id 1000E37C27A; Fri, >28 Jul 2000 08:14:16 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])by hub.freebsd.org >(Postfix) with SMTPid 088482E816F; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:14:16 -0700 >(PDT)(envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies) >Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:14:15 >-0700 >Received: from trill.hh.se (trill.hh.se [194.47.5.10])by hub.freebsd.org >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D79E37C268for ; Fri, >28 Jul 2000 08:14:06 -0700 (PDT)(envelope-from u98jobj@stud.hh.se) >Received: from gs177.gsten.hh.se (chip@gs177.gsten.hh.se [194.47.16.177])by >trill.hh.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28507;Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:13:57 >+0200 (MET DST) >From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 28 08:23:47 2000 >Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >Message-ID: >X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >In-Reply-To: >Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Precedence: bulk > > >On 28-Jul-00 erik witkop wrote: > > Thanks Jukka. The IFCONFIG -a worked beautifully. But it brings me to >other > > questions. How can I change the terminal length if I were running, lets >say > > xfree86 xterm. On a cisco router it would be "terminal length >(screenlength > >#). Is there something similiar I could do on freebsd? Also, when I do a > > "stand/sysinstall" it says directory not found, even though I am lookig > > right at it, under an LS command. I want to change my IP address. > >/stand/sysinstall will probably work >^ looks like you forgot the slash. > > >/Joel Björk > >-- >---------------------------------- >E-Mail: Joel Bjork >Date: 28-Jul-00 >Time: 17:14:26 > >This message was sent by XFMail >---------------------------------- > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 28 10:11:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674CA37B8F0 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:11:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA19D9 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:13:37 -0700 Message-ID: <3981BE39.62AD4B3@acuson.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:09:13 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: FREEBSD-NEWBIES@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: what kind of unix is freebsd References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yong Lim wrote: > If you want some lively discussions on FreeBSD as compare to Linux or other > Unix checkout www.slashdot.org at the BSD section. Most of the BSD threads > invariable will have why BSD is better and where it originated. Followed on the Linux side by such crap as "Linux invented TCP/IP", "FreeBSD can't do SMP", etc. David :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 28 19:14:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D4137BB64 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:14:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA85315 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:30:14 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:30:14 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200007290230.MAA85315@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 28 22:33:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com [24.6.21.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D8E37B9E1 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 22:33:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from conrads@cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA62980; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:33:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <002601bff4f4$2b142000$71aa1518@mesqt1.tx.home.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:33:35 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: conrads@home.com Organization: @Home Network From: Conrad Sabatier To: MrBoboo Subject: RE: icq ports Cc: "newbie @ freebsd" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 23-Jul-00 MrBoboo wrote: > which port is the best ICQ clone/prog?? > i have heard of Licq but is that the best, i also have aol im > i am running xfree85 3.3.5 and KDE 1.1.1 > plan on upgrading soon > Rob > mrboboo@home.com I've tried pretty much all of 'em, and Licq is the best and most complete, IMHO. Your mileage may vary, of course. :-) -- Conrad Sabatier http://members.home.net/conrads/ ICQ# 1147270 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 29 0: 5:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (mailgw01.execpc.com [169.207.2.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB6937B698 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:05:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from xopl@execpc.com) Received: from execpc.com (d80.as2.appl.wi.voyager.net [169.207.24.80]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.9.1) id CAA17663 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 02:05:44 -0500 Message-ID: <39828204.CA619980@execpc.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 02:04:36 -0500 From: Zach Johnson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: 2 OS's on a BIG harddrive... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I've never tried to have a 2nd OS with FreeBSD before. I am building a new system and I have a blank 30.7GB ATA harddrive. These details about the 1024th cylinder confuse me a bit. The 4.1 release notes state something about fixing problems with the 1024th cylinder issue if you have a certain BIOS? If I want to give approx 15GB to FreeBSD and 15GB to winblows, how should I partition this new drive? Should I make a partition for '/' and the primary dos partition for installing winblows in the first 500MB and then use the rest of the disk to make my other FreeBSD and dos partitions? I would be grateful for whatever help you can provide! Thanks, Zach Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 29 7:44:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F6037B8A0 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 07:44:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p39.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.39]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA97326 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:42:41 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00257 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:24:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:24:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recording audio with rec.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > DAP is very nice, but no harddiskrecording. So I have to use rec (which Maybe with big swap space it is some kind of harddiskrecording too. But I am very much surprised, that rec doesnt work as it should. Would be a great app it it would. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 29 19:19:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f36.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06B437B5A9 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:19:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ntvsunix@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:19:32 -0700 Received: from 209.53.54.44 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.53.54.44] From: "Some Person" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IPFilter and Bridging in 4.x... Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 02:19:32 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2000 02:19:32.0353 (UTC) FILETIME=[98E62F10:01BFF9CC] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey ppl., Was just wondering, in FreeBSD 4.x, if I want to enable ethernet bridging, am I still restricted to IPFW and not IPFilter? I know in 3.x, that was the case... I wanted to go with IPFilter more than IPFW at the time, so for my firewall, I had to use OpenBSD. FreeBSD is on all my other machines and runs so awesomely!!! Reason I ask this, is because for some reason when I try to boot off of floppy27.fs in OpenBSD to upgrade from 2.6 to 2.7, it just sits @ rd0... fixed 3560 blocks and does nothing; so I'm stumped. I can't cvsup it either, because I don't have the HD space. :( Any responses would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message