From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 17 6:11:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hellasnet.gr (mail.hellasnet.gr [212.54.192.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C2137B424 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 06:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (ppp3.patr.hellasnet.gr [212.54.197.18]) by mail.hellasnet.gr (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA23236; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:11:44 +0200 (GMT) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8GDGgx05291; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:16:42 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:16:42 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Joe.Warner@smed.com Cc: Jason La , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine publisher Message-ID: <20000916161642.C4781@hades.hell.gr> References: <8525695B.00791247.00@Deimos.smed.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <8525695B.00791247.00@Deimos.smed.com>; from Joe.Warner@smed.com on Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 04:04:56PM -0600 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3A 75 52 EB F1 58 56 0D - C5 B8 21 B6 1B 5E 4A C2 X-URL: http://students.ceid.upatras.gr/~keramida/index.html Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 04:04:56PM -0600, Joe.Warner@smed.com wrote: > > But then again, wouldn't the publishers of a Linux magazine be too > biased? Well, we only have to try and see what happens. Perhaps they too realize that it's more beneficial to the open-sourced Unices not to rage one against the other, but cooperate towards a better cause? - giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 17 6:11:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hellasnet.gr (mail.hellasnet.gr [212.54.192.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467C837B42C for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 06:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (ppp3.patr.hellasnet.gr [212.54.197.18]) by mail.hellasnet.gr (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA23251; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:11:58 +0200 (GMT) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8GCfxx05179; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:41:59 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:41:59 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Joshua Barker Cc: Wayne Sheppard , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Brand New Installed FreeBSD, need Telnet Access. Message-ID: <20000916154159.B4781@hades.hell.gr> References: <000c01c01f23$8288e560$a301a8c0@p3wayne> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from phire@jigaboos.com on Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 02:23:24PM -0500 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3A 75 52 EB F1 58 56 0D - C5 B8 21 B6 1B 5E 4A C2 X-URL: http://students.ceid.upatras.gr/~keramida/index.html Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 02:23:24PM -0500, Joshua Barker wrote: > Firewall? Uhh, if you have a firewall on both systems, only allowing > computer A and computer B to accept connections on port 21, the rest are > denied, no one will be able to sniff your packets, right? Uh, sorry for spoiling all this fun, but no. This is not right. Most firewalls work in the IP layer, i.e. the packet traverses a link (an ethernet cable, a connection to a hub, etc) and after that it reaches your firewall. A good sniffer will work in the layer below IP, and grab ethernet frames for itself. Now as you see, no kind of IP-based firewall scheme will protect you from someone who grabs passwords from raw packets on the `wire'. - giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 17 6:30:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 65FAF37B43E for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 06:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 46254 invoked by alias); 17 Sep 2000 13:30:21 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 46230 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2000 13:30:21 -0000 Received: from badialup81.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.225.236.81) by slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 2000 13:30:21 -0000 Message-ID: <39C4C677.4EA4E16E@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 07:26:15 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: Joe.Warner@smed.com, Jason La , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine publisher References: <8525695B.00791247.00@Deimos.smed.com> <20000916161642.C4781@hades.hell.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yeah, I guess action speaks louder than words. I'm going to contact as many publishers as I can, starting with Linux Magazine and I'll post the responses I get here. Joe Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 04:04:56PM -0600, Joe.Warner@smed.com wrote: > > > > But then again, wouldn't the publishers of a Linux magazine be too > > biased? > > Well, we only have to try and see what happens. Perhaps they too > realize that it's more beneficial to the open-sourced Unices not to rage > one against the other, but cooperate towards a better cause? > > - giorgos > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- FreeBSD = The Power to Serve ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 17 8:44: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hip4.hip-web.com (hip4.hip-web.com [216.173.203.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C8D5037B423 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 08:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10932 invoked by uid 511); 17 Sep 2000 15:42:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000917154237.10896.qmail@hip4.hip-web.com> Cc: recipient list not shown: ; From: yohko@ha.bekkoame.ne.jp Reply-To: yohko@ha.bekkoame.ne.jp Subject: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCM2QkaiQtJEMkPyQqSVUkLTlnJCQkNyReJDskcyQrISkbKEI=?= Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:42:37 +0900 Error-To: yohko@ha.bekkoame.ne.jp Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org この情報が不必要な方は削除なさって下さい。 また、万が一女性の方に届いた場合も申しわけありませんが削除なさって下さい。 ====================================================================== 　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　Diねっとは．．． 　　　扶桑社　週間「ＳＰＡ！」（２０００年５月３１日号）にて紹介されました。 　　　鉄人社　「平成の裏仕事師列伝」（発売中）にても紹介されています！ ====================================================================== 皆さんよく掲示板などを利用して割り切った交際希望女性を募集されていますが、 成果のほどはいかがでしょうか？ 「セックスフレンドができた」、という方もいらっしゃるようですが、私どもの リサーチによると、３００人に１人いるかいないかぐらいでしかないようです。 その他の方々はご存じのとおり、掲示、メール待ち、メール送付、掲示、 メール待ち、メール送付の堂々巡りのようです。 　　　なぜだかわかりますか？ 　 答えは簡単です。１対１でコミュニケーションを取ればいいのですが、 これが一番難しいのです。 「Diねっと」では、皆さんに女性をゲットするノウハウを紹介しています。 ネットナンパ必勝法があれば１対１のコミュニケーションは当たり前になります。 「Diねっと」のネットナンパ必勝法でネットナンパ師がぞくぞく誕生中です。 購入者の体験談などは、無料で購読できる「ネットナンパまがじん」にて 好評掲載中です！ また、ネットナンパの代行業務も行っています。 　 　　　２年で５０人以上を食ったネットナンパ師として、 　　　「ＳＰＡ！２０００年５／３１日号」 　　　鉄人社「裏モノJAPAN」別冊の「平成の裏仕事師列伝」 　　　にて紹介されました。 「Diねっと」では、ノウハウ購入および、ナンパ代行を受けた男性会員様 のみ無料の週間割り切りマガジンを発行中です（年間購読料６千円）。 内容は、皆さんが女性を紹介してもらったあと、 どうすれば女性が自分専用の愛人になるか、とか、 なかなか連絡が来ない女性を簡単に振り向かせる方法など、 私の体験をまじえて紹介します。 このメールマガジンは非会員様は有料となります。 ナンパ必勝法の購入およびナンパ代行を受けた皆さんは 受けた月から１年間は無料ですので、お楽しみにお待ち下さい。 　　　詳しくは「Diねっと」のホームページまでお越し下さい。 　　　面白いように女性がひっかかる方法を伝授しますよ。 ====================================================================== □会社名： 「 Diねっと」 □WEB 　：　http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/~di-net/index4.htm ====================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 17 9: 3: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DF037B424 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 09:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA08980; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:03:01 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts006d30.mer-id.concentric.net (ts006d30.mer-id.concentric.net [208.177.68.42]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA11282; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 08:00:47 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Anybody? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Using TeTex? Loaded, running--and totally lost. If there is a starting point in the documentation I've no clue where it is. The aim is to be able to create and print a simple one sentence document: "This is my first \TeTex\ sentence. \bye" as a launching pad for further reading in a University of Minnesota Tutorial that comes highly recommended, and the "TeTex Bible" is on order. Any suggestions? Please reply private if at all as I'm not currently subscribed. ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 17 11:13:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC9337B424 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 11:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stanfordalumni.org (1Cust125.tnt9.tco2.da.uu.net [63.15.231.125]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05470 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 11:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200009171813.LAA05470@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: TeTex (was: Re: Anybody?) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:13:30 -0400 From: "Donald R. Tyson" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [correcting mangled cc: address] ------- Forwarded Message To: ML Duke cc: freebsd-newsbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anybody? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 17 Sep 2000 08:00:47 MDT." Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:01:18 -0400 From: "Donald R. Tyson" I'm a Tex user, never used TeTex, but google gives the following, among others: www.linux.com/howto/TeTeX-HOWTO.html Don Tyson > Using TeTex? > > Loaded, running--and totally lost. > If there is a starting point in the documentation I've no clue > where it is. > > The aim is to be able to create and print a simple one > sentence document: > "This is my first \TeTex\ sentence. > \bye" > > as a launching pad for further reading in > a University of Minnesota Tutorial that comes highly recommended, > and the "TeTex Bible" is on order. > > Any suggestions? > > Please reply private if at all as I'm not currently > subscribed. > > ML Duke > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > ------- End of Forwarded Message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 17 11:14:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BE737B423 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 11:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p71.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.71]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA321156 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 20:11:55 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00277 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:34:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:34:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Videoeditors... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The mysteries of the Linuxemulation. Has anybody ever got Broadecast2000 running ? I did brandelf -t Linux the binary etc, no chance, illegal instructions, before it opens. Same with mainactor (of www.mainconcept.de), it opens, but when I try to insert an avi, peng... Is there any way to learn to understand how this linux emulation works ? Where the limits are ? Hmmmmmmmmmm....... H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 17 18:18:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop.hccnet.nl (pop.hccnet.nl [193.172.127.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34DEC37B422 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parmenides.utp.net by pop.hccnet.nl via uds64-115.dial.hccnet.nl [193.173.115.64] with ESMTP id DAA20955 (8.8.5/1.13); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 03:18:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (janko@localhost) by parmenides.utp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA00286; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 03:19:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from janko@compuserve.com) X-Authentication-Warning: parmenides.utp.net: janko owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 03:19:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Janko van Roosmalen X-Sender: janko@parmenides.utp.net To: ML Duke Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anybody? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As an alternative you could also check out "lout". It is in the ports collection and also available as a package. If you do a search on Yahoo for lout it will direct you to the "Lout home page". It links to a FAQ and an interesting article in the Linux Gazette comparing TeTex and Lout. Janko van Roosmalen On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, ML Duke wrote: > > Using TeTex? > > Loaded, running--and totally lost. > If there is a starting point in the documentation I've no clue > where it is. > > The aim is to be able to create and print a simple one > sentence document: > "This is my first \TeTex\ sentence. > \bye" > > as a launching pad for further reading in > a University of Minnesota Tutorial that comes highly recommended, > and the "TeTex Bible" is on order. > > Any suggestions? > > Please reply private if at all as I'm not currently > subscribed. > > ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 17 18:28:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop.hccnet.nl (pop.hccnet.nl [193.172.127.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C831A37B422 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parmenides.utp.net by pop.hccnet.nl via uds20-115.dial.hccnet.nl [193.173.115.20] with ESMTP id DAA22057 (8.8.5/1.13); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 03:28:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (janko@localhost) by parmenides.utp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA00296; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 03:28:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from janko@compuserve.com) X-Authentication-Warning: parmenides.utp.net: janko owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 03:28:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Janko van Roosmalen X-Sender: janko@parmenides.utp.net To: stefan roell <2good2win@gmx.de> Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing ISDN Internetaccess - Howto needed In-Reply-To: <39BFA8E9.FB890CA3@gmx.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There is a "freebsd-isdn" mailing list. You may have more luck there. IIRC there is also a German speaking support site for ISDN4BSD. Last month I got ISDN working under FreeBSD 3.2 on an old 486-120 MHz with a Teles 16.3 card. Janko van Roosmalen - Netherlands On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, stefan roell wrote: > Hi, > > I'm a new, german-speaking user of FreeBSD4.0 and need a > simple-to-understand howto that explains step by step what I have to do > if I want to user internet with ISDN. > I have nearly no knowledge off ppp/isdn, therefor the howto shoulb be > "newbie-understandable". > Any link to such a howto/manual would help me. > > Thanks in advance. > > Stefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 17 20:11:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6483F37B423 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 20:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24224 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:30:18 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:30:18 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200009160230.MAA24224@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 18 11: 7:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89A337B423 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D641621A for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08597 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:07:56 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:07:54 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525695E.00637491 ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:06:19 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <8525695E.006371F5.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:08:42 -0600 Subject: What happened to daemonnews? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What happened to http://www.daemonnews.org/ ? I haven't been able to pull it up at all today. Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 18 11:29:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.hcvlny.cv.net (mx1.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.112.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DCE37B422 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s1.optonline.net (s1.optonline.net [167.206.112.6]) by mx1.hcvlny.cv.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04005 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from steinyv (d133-151.jcsnnj.optonline.net [24.189.133.151]) by s1.optonline.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8IITDl14452 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000918142348.009894a0@mail-hub.optonline.net> X-Sender: mvanberk@mail-hub.optonline.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:24:11 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Bigwillie Subject: Re: What happened to daemonnews? In-Reply-To: <8525695E.006371F5.00@Deimos.smed.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Since last night for me. At 02:08 PM 9/18/00 , you wrote: >What happened to http://www.daemonnews.org/ ? > >I haven't been able to pull it up at all today. > >Joe > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________ Steiny's Studio Pachyderm Productions http://steiny.hypermart.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 18 11:56: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtppop2.gte.net (smtppop2pub.gte.net [206.46.170.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141D537B422 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gte.net (tamqfl1-ar1-200-230.biz.dsl.gtei.net [4.35.200.230]) by smtppop2.gte.net with ESMTP ; id NAA26464961 Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:53:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <39C66567.4D602521@gte.net> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:56:39 -0400 From: Tom Collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-AOL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bigwillie Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What happened to daemonnews? References: <4.2.0.58.20000918142348.009894a0@mail-hub.optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm getting the following but its coming up fine 2:56pm EDT Mon 9/18/00 http://www.daemonnews.org/200009/ Tom Collins Bigwillie wrote: > Since last night for me. > > At 02:08 PM 9/18/00 , you wrote: > > >What happened to http://www.daemonnews.org/ ? > > > >I haven't been able to pull it up at all today. > > > >Joe > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > _________________________________________ > Steiny's Studio > Pachyderm Productions > http://steiny.hypermart.net > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 18 12: 5:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC6637B422 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4694E161EF for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17769 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:05:53 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:05:08 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525695E.0068AE1A ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:03:23 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: Tom Collins Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, Bigwillie Message-Id: <8525695E.0068AD17.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:05:51 -0600 Subject: Re: What happened to daemonnews? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yeah, it's back up. Looks like they had a power outage. The details are at the top of the page at http://daily.daemonnews.org/ Joe |--------+------------------------> | | Tom Collins | | | | | | | | | 09/18/00 12:56| | | PM | | | | |--------+------------------------> >---------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: Bigwillie | | cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, (bcc: Joe | | Warner/SMS) | | Subject: Re: What happened to daemonnews? | >---------------------------------------------------------| I'm getting the following but its coming up fine 2:56pm EDT Mon 9/18/00 http://www.daemonnews.org/200009/ Tom Collins Bigwillie wrote: > Since last night for me. > > At 02:08 PM 9/18/00 , you wrote: > > >What happened to http://www.daemonnews.org/ ? > > > >I haven't been able to pull it up at all today. > > > >Joe > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > _________________________________________ > Steiny's Studio > Pachyderm Productions > http://steiny.hypermart.net > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 18 12:32:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f143.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBAD137B422 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:32:54 -0700 Received: from 207.71.192.251 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:32:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.71.192.251] From: "Jason La" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Free CVS host? Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:32:54 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Sep 2000 19:32:54.0431 (UTC) FILETIME=[3DABFAF0:01C021A7] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone know of a free CVS host that I can use for a project of mine? I don't have the resources to setup a server... and i need it so that other people on the net can access it... since there are other programmers. Thanks, Jason La jasonla_@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 18 12:35:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.sageian.com (ns.sage-consult.com [208.201.118.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686C637B423; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pricli012 (unknown [208.201.118.126]) by mail.sageian.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AF0B36A901; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00c801c021a7$bdf810e0$4c00000a@sage> Reply-To: "Rossen Raykov" From: "Rossen Raykov" To: , , , Cc: Subject: Problems with qmail (1.03) on FreeBSD4.1 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:36:29 -0400 Organization: SageConsult, Princeton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All, I have a problem with qmail port for FreeBSD 4.1. I installed it from the ports, but when I try to start any of the programs from the package the result is "Permission denied"! Example: su-2.04# cd /var/qmail/bin su-2.04# whoami root su-2.04# uname -smr FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386 su-2.04# ./qmail-start su: ./qmail-start: Permission denied su-2.04# ls -l qmail-start -rwx------ 1 root qmail 5340 Sep 16 22:07 qmail-start Second example: su-2.04# cd ../configure/ su-2.04# ./hostname su: ./hostname: Permission denied su-2.04# ls -l hostname -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4052 Sep 16 22:11 hostname The situation is very complicated to me since any of those programs work inside the compilation area. Example: su-2.04# cd /usr/ports/mail/qmail/work/qmail-1.03/ su-2.04# ./hostname myserver.com I thought that maybe the programs are different but they are not! su-2.04# diff hostname /var/qmail/configure/hostname su-2.04# Then I thought that maybe the problem is because of permissions. An started make check but the result from it is: su-2.04# make check ./instcheck I looked in qmail news and I found information for similar problem on linux but there wasn't a solution! Any suggestions? Please excuse my English, it is not my native language. Regards, Rossen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 18 12:43:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C40737B422 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA48E3; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:46:07 -0700 Message-ID: <39C66FC7.CB2E1F93@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:40:55 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason La Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free CVS host? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jason La wrote: > > Anyone know of a free CVS host that I can use for a project of mine? I don't > have the resources to setup a server... and i need it so that other people > on the net can access it... since there are other programmers. SourceForge is one, but it's very Linux centric (being hosted at VA Linux), but there should be more out there. Names off the top of my head but unsure whether they do project hosting: SourceXchange and collab.net. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 18 13: 1:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.mail.yahoo.com (smtp2.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 436DA37B422 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host-216-76-176-187.gso.bellsouth.net (HELO michelle) (216.76.176.187) by smtp.mail.vip.suc.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2000 20:01:51 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-Id: <4.1.20000918160545.00992d40@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: orlanthrex@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:08:48 -0400 To: "Jason La" , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Jeffery Chin Subject: Re: Free CVS host? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_3685906==_.ALT" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=====================_3685906==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If you are developing in Java, you can use the Giant Java Tree: http://www.gjt.org I think SourceForge will host any open software project: http://sourceforge.net At 12:32 PM 9/18/00 -0700, Jason La wrote: >Anyone know of a free CVS host that I can use for a project of mine? I don't >have the resources to setup a server... and i need it so that other people >on the net can access it... since there are other programmers. --=====================_3685906==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" If you are developing in Java, you can use the Giant Java Tree:

http://www.gjt.org

I think SourceForge will host any open software project:

http://sourceforge.net

At 12:32 PM 9/18/00 -0700, Jason La wrote:
>Anyone know of a free CVS host that I can use for a project of mine? I don't
>have the resources to setup a server... and i need it so that other people
>on the net can access it... since there are other programmers.
 --=====================_3685906==_.ALT-- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 18 18:39:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.jonelrienton.org (dsl-64-34-25-237.telocity.com [64.34.25.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C58D337B424 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 74762 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2000 01:58:05 -0000 Received: from debian (10.29.22.23) by zeus with SMTP; 19 Sep 2000 01:58:05 -0000 Message-ID: <01bc01c021dc$04ae2fe0$17161d0a@jonelrienton.org> From: "Jonel Rienton" To: "Rossen Raykov" , , , , Cc: References: <00c801c021a7$bdf810e0$4c00000a@sage> Subject: Re: Problems with qmail (1.03) on FreeBSD4.1 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:50:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 hi, i hope you read at least the documents that came with it(/var/qmail/doc), i've written a mini howto for installing qmail on a FreeBSD box, check out http://qmail.freebsduser.org hth Jonel Rienton http://qmail.freebsduser.org sent by qmail-1.03 on a FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rossen Raykov" To: ; ; ; Cc: Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 2:36 PM Subject: Problems with qmail (1.03) on FreeBSD4.1 | Hi All, | | I have a problem with qmail port for FreeBSD 4.1. | I installed it from the ports, but when I try to start any of the | programs from the package the result is "Permission denied"! | Example: | | su-2.04# cd /var/qmail/bin | su-2.04# whoami | root | su-2.04# uname -smr | FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386 | su-2.04# ./qmail-start | su: ./qmail-start: Permission denied | su-2.04# ls -l qmail-start | -rwx------ 1 root qmail 5340 Sep 16 22:07 qmail-start | | Second example: | su-2.04# cd ../configure/ | su-2.04# ./hostname | su: ./hostname: Permission denied | su-2.04# ls -l hostname | -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4052 Sep 16 22:11 hostname | | The situation is very complicated to me since any of those programs | work inside the compilation area. | Example: | | su-2.04# cd /usr/ports/mail/qmail/work/qmail-1.03/ | su-2.04# ./hostname | myserver.com | | I thought that maybe the programs are different but they are not! | su-2.04# diff hostname /var/qmail/configure/hostname | su-2.04# | | Then I thought that maybe the problem is because of permissions. | An started make check but the result from it is: | | su-2.04# make check | ./instcheck | | I looked in qmail news and I found information for similar problem | on linux but there wasn't a solution! | Any suggestions? | | Please excuse my English, it is not my native language. | | Regards, | Rossen | | | | | | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOcbGcKQ0pAI9Fl/WEQKfPQCglFI4KROl2bkB7VShvcs3ze3WrnoAnAiP 7l2e4kRtJF4lnd7V+P3TeOXw =mpg8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 18 20:27:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uswgne22.uswest.com (uswgne22.uswest.com [204.26.87.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A527037B422 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egate-ut2.uswc.uswest.com (egate-ut2.uswc.uswest.com [148.157.122.199]) by uswgne22.uswest.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8J3Rn828740 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:27:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from duntx003.litel.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by egate-ut2.uswc.uswest.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8J3RmD13182 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:27:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by DUNTX003 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:28:57 -0400 Message-ID: <9D35FA2F8EFCD111BA5A00805FA75E8707F76F05@fdntx001> From: "Cribbins, Jason" To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Hello! Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:22:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a strange problem that I cannot understand. I know this is long winded but I wanted to put in as much detail as I can and to explain all that I have tried . I have been working on this problem for 3 days solid now. BACKGROUND: I have a Compaq P100 I picked up for free and planned to use it as a new BSD server for misc tasks. It didn't take long (about 2 hours after install) and I filled up the 520MB SCSI drive before I could add all the ports I planned on using. It was so full I couldn't even run vi or ee anymore. I then decided to bring over smallest drive I had (20GB) and install it with the SCSI. I felt that since I never really got anything completely installed that I would just reinstall from scratch via the FTP site. There was no IDE devices in the machine before now but I did have a CDROM in at one time for the initial 3.3BSD install about 2 months ago. I installed the HD as Primary and plugged it into the only IDE port on the motherboard. I booted on the boot disks created from the images on the ftp site and it was able to see both the SCSI (da0s1) and IDE (ad0s1) drives. It allowed me to partition and make slices. I used full disks on both drives and used the 20GB IDE drive as / /var /usr/ /swap using default sizes and so on. I mounted the 520MB as /tmp. The install went as one might expect downloading from the ftp and coping to the HD (so I thought) and went to then end where it asked me a few other things like mfs, and root password. It eventually got to the point where it required a reboot but upon reboot the system counted memory and then stated NO OS FOUND. This happened no matter how I set up my slices and no matter how I configured the drives. I tried with IDE only....with IDE and SCSI making SCSI the root /var /usr and so on...with IDE and SCSI both using IDE as root /var /usr and so on. The only configuration seems to be SCSI alone and that is not enough space to do what I need. I attempted to use Win9x boot and use fdisk but and it doesn't see the IDE drive either. QUESTIONS: Now I realize there is no doubt this is a BIOS or HD issue here but how was it that the setup utility was able to see and install to the IDE drive and when the OS tries to load on its own it is no longer able to access it? What is it about the boot disk that makes it see the drive and how do I set the BSD install to make it visible as well? Also can someone tell me how to access bios in a Compaq P100 (unknown model#) I have searched several of the manuals on models that came with P!00 processors and they all state "F10 setup". But I have tried everything to do with F10 and cant get any access to bios settings. There is no bios display as in other computers...no video card display either. Just a 1 line memory count which disappears after a few seconds. I also tried F2, CTRL F2, DEL, ALT-F2, CTRL-S, CTRL-ALT-ESC and many random keys. I cant even get a keyboard error if I hold keys down during the bootup. Although I do get Press F1 to continue if keyboard is disconnect...go figure! Any help is greatly appreciated! THANKS Jason Cribbins reply to all is best since I may miss replies if only sent to the mailing list To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 18 20:33:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uswgco34.uswest.com (uswgco34.uswest.com [199.168.32.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1549C37B423 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egate-ut3.uswc.uswest.com (egate-ut3.uswc.uswest.com [148.157.122.201]) by uswgco34.uswest.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8J3Xhv06446 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:33:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from duntx003.litel.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by egate-ut3.uswc.uswest.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8J3Xgd13894 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:33:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by DUNTX003 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:34:51 -0400 Message-ID: <9D35FA2F8EFCD111BA5A00805FA75E8707F76F06@fdntx001> From: "Cribbins, Jason" To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: IDE/SCSI BIOS Issues Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:28:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a strange problem that I cannot understand. I know this is long winded but I wanted to put in as much detail as I can and to explain all that I have tried . I have been working on this problem for 3 days solid now. BACKGROUND: I have a Compaq P100 I picked up for free and planned to use it as a new BSD server for misc tasks. It didn't take long (about 2 hours after install) and I filled up the 520MB SCSI drive before I could add all the ports I planned on using. It was so full I couldn't even run vi or ee anymore. I then decided to bring over smallest drive I had (20GB) and install it with the SCSI. I felt that since I never really got anything completely installed that I would just reinstall from scratch via the FTP site. There was no IDE devices in the machine before now but I did have a CDROM in at one time for the initial 3.3BSD install about 2 months ago. I installed the HD as Primary and plugged it into the only IDE port on the motherboard. I booted on the boot disks created from the images on the ftp site and it was able to see both the SCSI (da0s1) and IDE (ad0s1) drives. It allowed me to partition and make slices. I used full disks on both drives and used the 20GB IDE drive as / /var /usr/ /swap using default sizes and so on. I mounted the 520MB as /tmp. The install went as one might expect downloading from the ftp and coping to the HD (so I thought) and went to then end where it asked me a few other things like mfs, and root password. It eventually got to the point where it required a reboot but upon reboot the system counted memory and then stated NO OS FOUND. This happened no matter how I set up my slices and no matter how I configured the drives. I tried with IDE only....with IDE and SCSI making SCSI the root /var /usr and so on...with IDE and SCSI both using IDE as root /var /usr and so on. The only configuration seems to be SCSI alone and that is not enough space to do what I need. I attempted to use Win9x boot and use fdisk but and it doesn't see the IDE drive either. QUESTIONS: Now I realize there is no doubt this is a BIOS or HD issue here but how was it that the setup utility was able to see and install to the IDE drive and when the OS tries to load on its own it is no longer able to access it? What is it about the boot disk that makes it see the drive and how do I set the BSD install to make it visible as well? Also can someone tell me how to access bios in a Compaq P100 (unknown model#) I have searched several of the manuals on models that came with P!00 processors and they all state "F10 setup". But I have tried everything to do with F10 and cant get any access to bios settings. There is no bios display as in other computers...no video card display either. Just a 1 line memory count which disappears after a few seconds. I also tried F2, CTRL F2, DEL, ALT-F2, CTRL-S, CTRL-ALT-ESC and many random keys. I cant even get a keyboard error if I hold keys down during the bootup. Although I do get Press F1 to continue if keyboard is disconnect...go figure! Any help is greatly appreciated! THANKS Jason Cribbins reply to all is best since I may miss replies if only sent to the mailing list To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 18 21:13:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED41E37B422 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CB5373287; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 20:37:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B041E3286; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 20:37:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 20:37:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: "Cribbins, Jason" Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Hello! In-Reply-To: <9D35FA2F8EFCD111BA5A00805FA75E8707F76F05@fdntx001> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You would be better off asking questions in -questions. That is what it's for. You'll get more and better answers, from a lot more experienced people, including many members of the Core Team. This group is meant for newbies to find help, celebrate the fact that they just got [whatever] working, or to generally chit-chat. It is not meant for questions, and in fact was only created with the condition that no technical-type questions be answered here. Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 18 22:55:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uranus.interscope.ro (ns.interscope.ro [193.226.188.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C18637B422 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by URANUS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:53:37 +0300 Message-ID: From: Stefan KORONKA To: "'Cribbins, Jason'" Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: IDE/SCSI BIOS Issues Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:53:30 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You better ask this in question@. Anyway, did you install the bootloader? After you created the slices, you have to provide where to put the bootloader (on MBR, etc). You didn't say that you've installed it, so I think this is your problem. Stefan > From: Cribbins, Jason [mailto:Jason.Cribbins@qwest.com] > Subject: IDE/SCSI BIOS Issues > > > I have a strange problem that I cannot understand. I know > this is long > winded but I wanted to put in as much detail as I can and to > explain all > that I have tried . I have been working on this problem for > 3 days solid > now. > > BACKGROUND: > I have a Compaq P100 I picked up for free and planned to use > it as a new BSD > server for misc tasks. It didn't take long (about 2 hours > after install) > and I filled up the 520MB SCSI drive before I could add all > the ports I > planned on using. It was so full I couldn't even run vi or > ee anymore. I > then decided to bring over smallest drive I had (20GB) and > install it with > the SCSI. I felt that since I never really got anything completely > installed that I would just reinstall from scratch via the FTP site. > > There was no IDE devices in the machine before now but I did > have a CDROM in > at one time for the initial 3.3BSD install about 2 months > ago. I installed > the HD as Primary and plugged it into the only IDE port on > the motherboard. > I booted on the boot disks created from the images on the ftp > site and it > was able to see both the SCSI (da0s1) and IDE (ad0s1) drives. > It allowed me > to partition and make slices. I used full disks on both > drives and used the > 20GB IDE drive as / /var /usr/ /swap using default sizes and > so on. I > mounted the 520MB as /tmp. > > The install went as one might expect downloading from the ftp > and coping to > the HD (so I thought) and went to then end where it asked me > a few other > things like mfs, and root password. It eventually got to the > point where it > required a reboot but upon reboot the system counted memory > and then stated > NO OS FOUND. > > This happened no matter how I set up my slices and no matter how I > configured the drives. I tried with IDE only....with IDE and > SCSI making > SCSI the root /var /usr and so on...with IDE and SCSI both > using IDE as root > /var /usr and so on. The only configuration seems to be SCSI > alone and that > is not enough space to do what I need. I attempted to use > Win9x boot and > use fdisk but and it doesn't see the IDE drive either. > > QUESTIONS: > Now I realize there is no doubt this is a BIOS or HD issue > here but how was > it that the setup utility was able to see and install to the > IDE drive and > when the OS tries to load on its own it is no longer able to > access it? > What is it about the boot disk that makes it see the drive > and how do I set > the BSD install to make it visible as well? > > Also can someone tell me how to access bios in a Compaq P100 (unknown > model#) I have searched several of the manuals on models > that came with > P!00 processors and they all state "F10 setup". But I have > tried everything > to do with F10 and cant get any access to bios settings. > There is no bios > display as in other computers...no video card display either. > Just a 1 line > memory count which disappears after a few seconds. I also > tried F2, CTRL > F2, DEL, ALT-F2, CTRL-S, CTRL-ALT-ESC and many random keys. > I cant even get > a keyboard error if I hold keys down during the bootup. > Although I do get > Press F1 to continue if keyboard is disconnect...go figure! > > Any help is greatly appreciated! > > THANKS > Jason Cribbins > > reply to all is best since I may miss replies if only sent to > the mailing > list > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 19 7: 3:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1b.mail.yahoo.com (smtp3.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5328137B42C for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host126.sage-consult.com (HELO pricli012) (208.201.118.126) by smtp.mail.vip.suc.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2000 14:03:34 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <010701c02242$8d328c60$4c00000a@sage> From: "Rossen Raykov" To: "Jonel Rienton" , , , , References: <00c801c021a7$bdf810e0$4c00000a@sage> <01bc01c021dc$04ae2fe0$17161d0a@jonelrienton.org> Subject: Re: Problems with qmail (1.03) on FreeBSD4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:04:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've done the steps in the howto (and I read carefully INSTALL.* and follow them strictly before my first mail :). The result is the same: su-2.04# sh -x /usr/local/etc/rc.d/qmail.sh + exec env - PATH=/var/qmail/bin:/root/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/sbin qmail-start ./Maildir/ splogger qmail su-2.04# env: qmail-start: Permission denied The executables are the same like this in /usr/ports/mail/qmail/work/qmail-1.03/. The same executable in the source directory starts without any problems but it is not starting the daemons. I can assume this this is normal but the error appear in the default distribution directory?! Any Idea why this happened? May be some file are missing or some permissions or ownerships are wrong? I look at man for qmail-start there are not any switches for debugging. Also I noted another strange thing. mkaliasdir was not working until I renamed user alias to qalias. I restored the user name to alias after that. Also the content of the dot files that it creates starts with & (for example &username@host.comain) is that correct? Currently my users for qmail are: alias:*:81:81:User &:/var/qmail/alias:/nonexistent qmaill:*:83:81:User &:/var/qmail:/nonexistent qmaild:*:82:81:User &:/var/qmail:/nonexistent qmailp:*:84:81:User &:/var/qmail:/nonexistent qmailq:*:85:82:User &:/var/qmail:/nonexistent qmailr:*:86:82:User &:/var/qmail:/nonexistent qmails:*:87:82:User &:/var/qmail:/nonexistent groups: qmail:*:82: qnofiles:*:81: They are created automatically from the install process and I did not modify them except alias as I described above. If it can help I can tar the src distribution with the compiled binaries and the installation directory and send them for review. Rossen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonel Rienton" To: "Rossen Raykov" ; ; ; ; Cc: Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 9:50 PM Subject: Re: Problems with qmail (1.03) on FreeBSD4.1 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > hi, i hope you read at least the documents that came with > it(/var/qmail/doc), i've written a mini howto for installing qmail on > a FreeBSD box, check out http://qmail.freebsduser.org > > hth > > Jonel Rienton > http://qmail.freebsduser.org > sent by qmail-1.03 on a FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rossen Raykov" > To: ; ; > ; > Cc: > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 2:36 PM > Subject: Problems with qmail (1.03) on FreeBSD4.1 > > > | Hi All, > | > | I have a problem with qmail port for FreeBSD 4.1. > | I installed it from the ports, but when I try to start any of the > | programs from the package the result is "Permission denied"! > | Example: > | > | su-2.04# cd /var/qmail/bin > | su-2.04# whoami > | root > | su-2.04# uname -smr > | FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386 > | su-2.04# ./qmail-start > | su: ./qmail-start: Permission denied > | su-2.04# ls -l qmail-start > | -rwx------ 1 root qmail 5340 Sep 16 22:07 qmail-start > | > | Second example: > | su-2.04# cd ../configure/ > | su-2.04# ./hostname > | su: ./hostname: Permission denied > | su-2.04# ls -l hostname > | -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4052 Sep 16 22:11 hostname > | > | The situation is very complicated to me since any of those programs > | work inside the compilation area. > | Example: > | > | su-2.04# cd /usr/ports/mail/qmail/work/qmail-1.03/ > | su-2.04# ./hostname > | myserver.com > | > | I thought that maybe the programs are different but they are not! > | su-2.04# diff hostname /var/qmail/configure/hostname > | su-2.04# > | > | Then I thought that maybe the problem is because of permissions. > | An started make check but the result from it is: > | > | su-2.04# make check > | ./instcheck > | > | I looked in qmail news and I found information for similar problem > | on linux but there wasn't a solution! > | Any suggestions? > | > | Please excuse my English, it is not my native language. > | > | Regards, > | Rossen > | > | > | > | > | > | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > | with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBOcbGcKQ0pAI9Fl/WEQKfPQCglFI4KROl2bkB7VShvcs3ze3WrnoAnAiP > 7l2e4kRtJF4lnd7V+P3TeOXw > =mpg8 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 19 8:33:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from exchange.nils.lib.il.us (mailsrv.nils.lib.il.us [206.190.22.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B7837B423 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:33:43 -0500 Message-ID: <3073B3378589D411B21600508BAF32AA01233C@EXCHANGE> From: Nathan Williams To: "Cribbins, Jason" , newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Hello! Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:33:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org First off, in order to access any of the motherboard setup, you need to install a separate Compaq setup program, which occupies its own 4MB partition on the hard drive. The address for that is here (I'm guessing your model is a 5100, as they had P100s): http://www6.compaq.com/support/files/desktops/us/locate/3_15.html#ROMPaqs%20 and%20System%20Software Nathan Williams nathanw@nils.lib.il.us > -----Original Message----- > From: Cribbins, Jason [SMTP:Jason.Cribbins@qwest.com] > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 10:22 PM > To: newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: Hello! > > I have a strange problem that I cannot understand. I know this is long > winded but I wanted to put in as much detail as I can and to explain all > that I have tried . I have been working on this problem for 3 days solid > now. > > BACKGROUND: > I have a Compaq P100 I picked up for free and planned to use it as a new > BSD > server for misc tasks. It didn't take long (about 2 hours after install) > and I filled up the 520MB SCSI drive before I could add all the ports I > planned on using. It was so full I couldn't even run vi or ee anymore. I > then decided to bring over smallest drive I had (20GB) and install it with > the SCSI. I felt that since I never really got anything completely > installed that I would just reinstall from scratch via the FTP site. > > There was no IDE devices in the machine before now but I did have a CDROM > in > at one time for the initial 3.3BSD install about 2 months ago. I > installed > the HD as Primary and plugged it into the only IDE port on the > motherboard. > I booted on the boot disks created from the images on the ftp site and it > was able to see both the SCSI (da0s1) and IDE (ad0s1) drives. It allowed > me > to partition and make slices. I used full disks on both drives and used > the > 20GB IDE drive as / /var /usr/ /swap using default sizes and so on. I > mounted the 520MB as /tmp. > > The install went as one might expect downloading from the ftp and coping > to > the HD (so I thought) and went to then end where it asked me a few other > things like mfs, and root password. It eventually got to the point where > it > required a reboot but upon reboot the system counted memory and then > stated > NO OS FOUND. > > This happened no matter how I set up my slices and no matter how I > configured the drives. I tried with IDE only....with IDE and SCSI making > SCSI the root /var /usr and so on...with IDE and SCSI both using IDE as > root > /var /usr and so on. The only configuration seems to be SCSI alone and > that > is not enough space to do what I need. I attempted to use Win9x boot and > use fdisk but and it doesn't see the IDE drive either. > > QUESTIONS: > Now I realize there is no doubt this is a BIOS or HD issue here but how > was > it that the setup utility was able to see and install to the IDE drive and > when the OS tries to load on its own it is no longer able to access it? > What is it about the boot disk that makes it see the drive and how do I > set > the BSD install to make it visible as well? > > Also can someone tell me how to access bios in a Compaq P100 (unknown > model#) I have searched several of the manuals on models that came with > P!00 processors and they all state "F10 setup". But I have tried > everything > to do with F10 and cant get any access to bios settings. There is no bios > display as in other computers...no video card display either. Just a 1 > line > memory count which disappears after a few seconds. I also tried F2, CTRL > F2, DEL, ALT-F2, CTRL-S, CTRL-ALT-ESC and many random keys. I cant even > get > a keyboard error if I hold keys down during the bootup. Although I do get > Press F1 to continue if keyboard is disconnect...go figure! > > Any help is greatly appreciated! > > THANKS > Jason Cribbins > > reply to all is best since I may miss replies if only sent to the mailing > list > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 19 8:51:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A271C37B43C; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smartsoft.cc (client-209-158-92-41.bellatlantic.net [209.158.92.41]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA27464; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39C78B38.3F6E3D77@smartsoft.cc> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:50:16 -0400 From: Jan Knepper Organization: Smartsoft, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rossen Raykov Cc: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, qmail-help@list.cr.yp.to, raikovr@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Problems with qmail (1.03) on FreeBSD4.1 References: <00c801c021a7$bdf810e0$4c00000a@sage> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 1. Have you checked whether or not qmail is login in /var/log? I mean permission denied could mean that it didn't start, but also that it had problems doing (accessing) something. 2. Are you sure the /var file system is mounted with the proper privelages? 3. Are you sure the kern.securelevel of your system is correct? Rossen Raykov wrote: > Hi All, > > I have a problem with qmail port for FreeBSD 4.1. > I installed it from the ports, but when I try to start any of the programs > from the package the result is "Permission denied"! > Example: > > su-2.04# cd /var/qmail/bin > su-2.04# whoami > root > su-2.04# uname -smr > FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386 > su-2.04# ./qmail-start > su: ./qmail-start: Permission denied > su-2.04# ls -l qmail-start > -rwx------ 1 root qmail 5340 Sep 16 22:07 qmail-start > > Second example: > su-2.04# cd ../configure/ > su-2.04# ./hostname > su: ./hostname: Permission denied > su-2.04# ls -l hostname > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4052 Sep 16 22:11 hostname > > The situation is very complicated to me since any of those programs work > inside the compilation area. > Example: > > su-2.04# cd /usr/ports/mail/qmail/work/qmail-1.03/ > su-2.04# ./hostname > myserver.com > > I thought that maybe the programs are different but they are not! > su-2.04# diff hostname /var/qmail/configure/hostname > su-2.04# > > Then I thought that maybe the problem is because of permissions. > An started make check but the result from it is: > > su-2.04# make check > ./instcheck > > I looked in qmail news and I found information for similar problem on linux > but there wasn't a solution! > Any suggestions? > > Please excuse my English, it is not my native language. > > Regards, > Rossen > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- Jan Knepper Smartsoft, LLC 88 Petersburg Road Petersburg, NJ 08270 U.S.A. http://www.smartsoft.cc/ http://www.mp3.com/pianoprincess Phone : 609-628-4260 FAX : 609-628-1267 FAX : 303-845-6415 http://www.fax4free.com/ Phone : 020-873-3837 http://www.xoip.nl/ (Dutch) FAX : 020-873-3837 http://www.xoip.nl/ (Dutch) In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 19 9:31:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1b.mail.yahoo.com (smtp3.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 008AC37B43E for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host126.sage-consult.com (HELO pricli012) (208.201.118.126) by smtp.mail.vip.suc.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2000 16:30:58 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <01c501c02257$24d853b0$4c00000a@sage> From: "Rossen Raykov" To: "Jan Knepper" Cc: , , References: <00c801c021a7$bdf810e0$4c00000a@sage> <39C78B38.3F6E3D77@smartsoft.cc> Subject: Re: Problems with qmail (1.03) on FreeBSD4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:32:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Stupid I! I forgot that /var was mounted with noexec option!!! That explains everything. Now it works but when I test it with: echo to:localuser |/var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject it logs: qmail: 969384250.226842 delivery 7: deferral: Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/ I have this user and there is a Malidir with permissions drwx------ and a link to it .qmail. Also there is an empty file in his home directory called .qmail-default. There is not dot file in aliases for this user. What is wrong? Thanks in advance, Rossen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Knepper" To: "Rossen Raykov" Cc: ; ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 11:50 AM Subject: Re: Problems with qmail (1.03) on FreeBSD4.1 > 1. Have you checked whether or not qmail is login in /var/log? I mean > permission denied could mean that it didn't start, but also that it had > problems doing (accessing) something. > 2. Are you sure the /var file system is mounted with the proper privelages? > 3. Are you sure the kern.securelevel of your system is correct? > > > > Rossen Raykov wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > I have a problem with qmail port for FreeBSD 4.1. > > I installed it from the ports, but when I try to start any of the programs > > from the package the result is "Permission denied"! > > Example: > > > > su-2.04# cd /var/qmail/bin > > su-2.04# whoami > > root > > su-2.04# uname -smr > > FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386 > > su-2.04# ./qmail-start > > su: ./qmail-start: Permission denied > > su-2.04# ls -l qmail-start > > -rwx------ 1 root qmail 5340 Sep 16 22:07 qmail-start > > > > Second example: > > su-2.04# cd ../configure/ > > su-2.04# ./hostname > > su: ./hostname: Permission denied > > su-2.04# ls -l hostname > > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4052 Sep 16 22:11 hostname > > > > The situation is very complicated to me since any of those programs work > > inside the compilation area. > > Example: > > > > su-2.04# cd /usr/ports/mail/qmail/work/qmail-1.03/ > > su-2.04# ./hostname > > myserver.com > > > > I thought that maybe the programs are different but they are not! > > su-2.04# diff hostname /var/qmail/configure/hostname > > su-2.04# > > > > Then I thought that maybe the problem is because of permissions. > > An started make check but the result from it is: > > > > su-2.04# make check > > ./instcheck > > > > I looked in qmail news and I found information for similar problem on linux > > but there wasn't a solution! > > Any suggestions? > > > > Please excuse my English, it is not my native language. > > > > Regards, > > Rossen > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > -- > Jan Knepper > Smartsoft, LLC > 88 Petersburg Road > Petersburg, NJ 08270 > U.S.A. > > http://www.smartsoft.cc/ > http://www.mp3.com/pianoprincess > > Phone : 609-628-4260 > FAX : 609-628-1267 > FAX : 303-845-6415 http://www.fax4free.com/ > > Phone : 020-873-3837 http://www.xoip.nl/ (Dutch) > FAX : 020-873-3837 http://www.xoip.nl/ (Dutch) > > In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. > -- Charles Forsythe > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 19 9:44:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31CF237B424; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smartsoft.cc (client-209-158-91-90.bellatlantic.net [209.158.91.90]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25923; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39C797B4.B7A07997@smartsoft.cc> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:43:33 -0400 From: Jan Knepper Organization: Smartsoft, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rossen Raykov Cc: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with qmail (1.03) on FreeBSD4.1 References: <00c801c021a7$bdf810e0$4c00000a@sage> <39C78B38.3F6E3D77@smartsoft.cc> <01c501c02257$24d853b0$4c00000a@sage> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rossen Raykov wrote: > Stupid I! > I forgot that /var was mounted with noexec option!!! > That explains everything. It does! > Now it works but when I test it with: > > echo to:localuser |/var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject > > it logs: > qmail: 969384250.226842 delivery 7: deferral: > Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/ > > I have this user and there is a Malidir with permissions drwx------ and a > link to it .qmail. > Also there is an empty file in his home directory called .qmail-default. > There is not dot file in aliases for this user. > > What is wrong? For that you would have to consult the qmail docco. I usuall just try to send stuff with sendmail which is supposed to link to the qmail replacement in /var/qmail/bin. Also, I don't know where your Maildir directories are. If they are in the $HOME directories of the users qmail need to be able to write to it. Just for that particular reason I use qmail with vpopmail and have the Maildir under ~/domains/domain.ext/user/Maildir/. Don't worry, be Kneppie! Jan -- Jan Knepper Smartsoft, LLC 88 Petersburg Road Petersburg, NJ 08270 U.S.A. http://www.smartsoft.cc/ http://www.mp3.com/pianoprincess Phone : 609-628-4260 FAX : 609-628-1267 FAX : 303-845-6415 http://www.fax4free.com/ Phone : 020-873-3837 http://www.xoip.nl/ (Dutch) FAX : 020-873-3837 http://www.xoip.nl/ (Dutch) In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 19 10: 6: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from earth.wnm.net (earth.wnm.net [208.246.240.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751EC37B505; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (alex@localhost) by earth.wnm.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e8JH8LE94192; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:08:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:08:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Alex Charalabidis To: Jan Knepper Cc: Rossen Raykov , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with qmail (1.03) on FreeBSD4.1 In-Reply-To: <39C797B4.B7A07997@smartsoft.cc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Jan Knepper wrote: > Rossen Raykov wrote: > > > Stupid I! > > I forgot that /var was mounted with noexec option!!! > > That explains everything. > > It does! > > > Now it works but when I test it with: > > > > echo to:localuser |/var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject > > > > it logs: > > qmail: 969384250.226842 delivery 7: deferral: > > Sorry,_message_has_wrong_owner._(#4.3.5)/ > > [etc etc] Would the participants in this thread please be kind enough to QUIT cc'ing both freebsd-questions@ and questions@. They're one and the same. -ac -- ============================================================== Alex Charalabidis (AC8139) 5050 Poplar Ave, Ste 170 Systems Administrator Memphis, TN 38157 WebNet Memphis (901) 432 6000 Author, The Book of IRC http://www.bookofirc.com/ ============================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 19 12:13:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hellasnet.gr (mail.hellasnet.gr [212.54.192.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D823C37B43E for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (ppp5.patr.hellasnet.gr [212.54.197.20]) by mail.hellasnet.gr (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA02640; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:14:03 +0200 (GMT) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8HJunG01049; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:56:49 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:56:49 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Haikal Saadh Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Regexp reference? Message-ID: <20000917225649.A379@hades.hell.gr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from wyldephyre2@yahoo.com on Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 11:33:59PM +1000 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3A 75 52 EB F1 58 56 0D - C5 B8 21 B6 1B 5E 4A C2 X-URL: http://students.ceid.upatras.gr/~keramida/index.html Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 11:33:59PM +1000, Haikal Saadh wrote: > Anyone got a good pointer to a 'quick help' regular expressions ref I can > print out and stick on my monitor? I have O'Reilly's excellent "sed & awk pocket reference" on my desk and among the stuff I carry around from work at home and back home. It's not exactly a single page document, but I value each and every one of it's 50 or so pages almost as much as their weight in gold. The booklet is written by Arnold Robins, is published by O'Reilly as I said before: Title: sed & awk pocket reference Author: Arnold Robins Published: O'Reilly & Associates. ISBN: 1-56592-729-X History: January 2000 (First Edition) Price: USD $8.95, CAN $13.95 Ciao. -- Giorgos Keramidas, For my public pgp2 key: finger -l keramida@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 19 12:49:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.lig.bellsouth.net (mail2.lig.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D1C37B424 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prokyon.com (adsl-61-148-46.int.bellsouth.net [208.61.148.46]) by mail2.lig.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id PAA24356; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39C7C2B3.42EABDD0@prokyon.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:46:59 -0400 From: Chris Browning X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nathan Williams Cc: "Cribbins, Jason" , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hello! References: <3073B3378589D411B21600508BAF32AA01233C@EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nathan Williams wrote: > > First off, in order to access any of the motherboard setup, you need to > install a separate Compaq setup program, which occupies its own 4MB > partition on the hard drive. The address for that is here (I'm guessing > your model is a 5100, as they had P100s): > http://www6.compaq.com/support/files/desktops/us/locate/3_15.html#ROMPaqs%20 > and%20System%20Software > > Nathan Williams > nathanw@nils.lib.il.us Nah. Don't install it, copy it to a floppy; it should be split into two pieces that'll each fit on one floppy. Just boot w/ a DOS bootdisk and run the setup off the floppy. Stinkin' Compaqs... -- ------------------------ Chris Browning brownicm@prokyon.com ------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 19 12:56:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.lig.bellsouth.net (mail1.lig.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C181A37B423 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prokyon.com (adsl-61-148-46.int.bellsouth.net [208.61.148.46]) by mail1.lig.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id PAA14408; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39C7C413.2058B08B@prokyon.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:52:51 -0400 From: Chris Browning X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nathan Williams Cc: "Cribbins, Jason" , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hello! References: <3073B3378589D411B21600508BAF32AA01233C@EXCHANGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Also: you might get more help on questions@freebsd.org. That's really where this stuff belongs. I think this list is supposed to be like a newbie chat thing or something. Some folks make a large point of that. Just FYI. Nathan Williams wrote: > > > > Nathan Williams > nathanw@nils.lib.il.us > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cribbins, Jason [SMTP:Jason.Cribbins@qwest.com] > > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 10:22 PM > > To: newbies@freebsd.org > > Subject: RE: Hello! > -- ------------------------ Chris Browning brownicm@prokyon.com ------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 19 19:58:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net (mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net [204.147.80.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 38CC237B424 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 45342 invoked by alias); 20 Sep 2000 02:58:42 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-FreeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.org@fixme Received: (qmail 45330 invoked by uid 0); 20 Sep 2000 02:58:41 -0000 Received: from vdslppp220.mpls.uswest.net (HELO oneguy) (63.226.147.220) by mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 20 Sep 2000 02:58:41 -0000 From: "Sam" To: Subject: Subscribe FreeBSD-newbies Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:47:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 20 0:28:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br (bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br [143.106.51.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04E137B422; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DBA2219E0; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 04:28:45 -0300 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14792.26413.781612.987394@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 04:28:45 -0300 (EST) From: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga To: questions@freebsd.org Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: ld-elf.so.1 X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.1 Reply-To: atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br X-URL: http://www.iqm.unicamp.br Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please, I don't understand why after installed a chemistry program (that works well in another bsd box), whem i use the program, i get the message: /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "util.so" not found How can i fix this? Thanks a lot for any suggestion, Ata. -- Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br http://www.iqm.unicamp.br To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 20 12:56:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.jigaboos.com (cx432478-a.cnbfs1.ia.home.com [24.17.99.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C592C37B423; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (phire@localhost.cnbfs1.ia.home.com [127.0.0.1]) by ns1.jigaboos.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e8KJsbI21517; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:54:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:54:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Joshua Barker To: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ld-elf.so.1 In-Reply-To: <14792.26413.781612.987394@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org go to a ftp search engine, download util.so and put it in /usr/libexec :) i dunno try it... worth a shot.. On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga wrote: > > Please, I don't understand why after installed a chemistry program > (that works well in another bsd box), whem i use the > program, i get the message: > > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "util.so" not found > > How can i fix this? > > Thanks a lot for any suggestion, > > Ata. > > > -- > Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br > http://www.iqm.unicamp.br > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 20 15: 6:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sloth.wcug.wwu.edu (sloth.wcug.wwu.edu [140.160.164.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F2A937B424 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10856 invoked by uid 1089); 20 Sep 2000 22:06:07 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Sep 2000 22:06:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:06:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Johnson To: Heiko Recktenwald Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Videoeditors... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > The mysteries of the Linuxemulation. Has anybody ever got Broadecast2000 > running ? I did brandelf -t Linux the binary etc, no chance, illegal > instructions, before it opens. Same with mainactor (of > www.mainconcept.de), it opens, but when I try to insert an avi, peng... > Is there any way to learn to understand how this linux emulation works ? > Where the limits are ? Hmmmmmmmmmm....... > > H. I'd love if Broadcast 2000 were to work on FreeBSD, but my roommate needs the DV support for his camcorder which is very closely tied to the linux firewire drivers. I've installed it on a RedHat 6.2 box with 2.2.16 with 3 different patches and it still gives that "illegal instructions" message. I'm trying to compile it from source right now, but the makefile is just atrocious and RedHat doesn't include the X headers or imake by default. I'll send you a note if I can get it working. Chris Johnson cjohnson@wcug.wwu.edu WCUG: lather, rinse, repeat. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 21 2:56: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1738B37B424; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 02:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24559; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 02:56:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAikaO6V; Thu Sep 21 02:55:59 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA09465; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 02:55:37 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200009210955.CAA09465@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: BSD Magazine To: rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG (Robert Watson) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:55:37 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd@planet.nl (Marc Veldman), Jacob.Ludington@ed.state.ia.us (Ludington Jacob), freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG ('freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'), advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Robert Watson" at Sep 16, 2000 09:48:52 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I want something on paper. While e-mail and the web are cool, they are > far from persistent. I can't read a file written ten years ago in the > standard word processing tool of the day. Any articles I read and enjoyed > on any commercial or main-stream electronic services are now long gone. I > have now assurance that www.daemonnews.org is going to work in ten years > time when I want to reference a technical article there in a paper I > write. And printers don't cut it -- I have enough leaf-litter of unsorted > and un-indexed papers lying around already. > > I'd happily pay the going rate for magazines to get a nicely bound > twice to three times as thick Daemon News. At one point, Jordan was > spitting out FreeBSD newsletters on paper -- throw that stuff in also, > maybe reviews of recent major commits on various platform source trees > (sort of like the new stuff page on the NetBSD web site) so people (users, > developers) from various projects can keep up-to-date. The problem with a print version is the same problem with most e-commerce. People want the electronic version, and there's no way to bill for an electronic version easily; it takes a major amount of effort to set up a billing system. Then there is the risk of non-publication, and the need to refund. I think that per-issue billing is out of the question entirely; last time I checked, doing that type of thing via credit card (that's the only realistic way to do it) is too expensive, both in terms of transaction fees for the publisher, and initial setup for the publisher. An electronic newsletter that could be subscribed to in a printed form at a potentially large margin vs. cost would probably be best. This would let the "early adopters" take the hard copy, and pay the overhead for doing the initial low volume, with the costs coming down as the volumes went up. It certainly worked for Motorola with cell phones, and it's how Linux Journal started. So, as a tentaive shot: 1) A monthly print copy of Daemon News 2) Subscription rate based on print costs and non-bulk publication costs 3) A clause that non-publication does not result in a refund, so long as 3 or more issues have been published in a 12 month period Frankly, we collected user group fees at our Amiga user group back in the mid 80's, and we published a monthly news letter just from this small fund. We eventually had several local advertisers (people who sold Amigas or Amiga software, printers, disks, and the like) , and were able to repurpose the funds. This was with a user group of 45 or so people. As an alternate approach to the 3 steps above, you could do the same thing with a sufficiently large BSD user group: 1) Have optional membership fees 2) Strongly encourage fee payment (BayLISA does this now: fee payment is mildly mandatory after attending 2 meetings, and you can't sit on the board or hold an elected office unless you are paid up, but you can pay up after being elected and not declining to serve) 3) Fund a newsletter "just for the group" 4) Offer subscriptions to the local user group news letter, via the web, for a membership share + postage premium (e.g. if yearly dues were $24.00, then the news letter could be offered for $2.00 + postage per issue -- probably a lot less, if the entirety of the fees did not end up going to publication) 5) Branch out to a larger publication, as funding and readership goes up There's litterally dozens of viable variations on either of these approaches. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 21 4:51:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CEFD237B423 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 04:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2012 invoked by alias); 21 Sep 2000 11:51:49 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 1996 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 2000 11:51:48 -0000 Received: from badialup189.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.225.236.189) by slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 21 Sep 2000 11:51:48 -0000 Message-ID: <39C9F55E.E3D6917D@uswest.net> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 05:47:42 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Just Imagine.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The other day, I was thinking about how big companies like IBM, have extended and embraced Linux. Now, most of you will probably shudder and shake your heads at the next thought but I also wondered what things would be like if Microsoft suddenly tried to do the same thing for the BSD community. I wonder if there's a remote possibility that something like that could happen. I also wonder what the reaction of the BSD community would be like. Would M$ be welcomed or would they get the door slammed in their face. In a way, hasn't Apple done the same thing by integrating the BSD kernel into the new Mac OS X? I guess the main question is, would the BSD community benefit from big corporate backing? If so or not, why? Joe -- FreeBSD = The Power to Serve ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 21 11: 0:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B1337B449; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA40CE; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:03:00 -0700 Message-ID: <39CA4C16.FFB05634@acuson.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:57:42 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Warner Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Just Imagine.. References: <39C9F55E.E3D6917D@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe Warner wrote: > I guess the main question is, would the BSD community benefit from big > corporate > backing? If so or not, why? I would guess it comes down to whose doing the backing. IBM for Linux was a good deal because IBM has always been a service business, with their hardware and software systems merely tools for their service. They're perfectly content to "use" open source software instead of "taking" it. From what I've heard, they are exemplary members of the Apache Group. A Microsoft, on the other hand, views partners as competitors. They would not be content with funding FreeBSD and getting no lock on something in return. I would see them doing it only as a way to get into the Unix market, then proceeding to embrace/extend Unix. To me, the size or wealth of the corporations are meaningless. IBM is still bigger than Microsoft. Rather, it's their "world view". Some corporations see competitors, partners, allies, and customers. Others just see competitors. Some see %100 market share as an unrealistic impossibility, while others see it as their sole mission. It's whether you're out to sell your product or whether you're out to see your competitor fail. So, depending on whose doing the backing, I would say yes. I would have no problem with Apple funding BSD to keep their Darwin base pumping along. But I would be very leery of Microsoft. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 21 14:24:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74EA037B422; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23685; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:21:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAJjaabU; Thu Sep 21 14:21:36 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17535; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:24:17 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200009212124.OAA17535@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Just Imagine.. To: jswarner@uswest.net (Joe Warner) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:24:17 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <39C9F55E.E3D6917D@uswest.net> from "Joe Warner" at Sep 21, 2000 05:47:42 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I guess the main question is, would the BSD community benefit from big > corporate backing? If so or not, why? Yes, but only by a hardware company. A software company is a competitor. See the NT vs. VMS vs. Ultrix/DEC UNIX/TRU64 history. In particular, note the extra cost associated with the SRM, which was pretty much nothing more than protectionism of the NT and VMS side of things, for internal political resons having nothing to do with anything other than a supression of internal competition ("all the oars pulling in the same [wrong] direction"). IBM's "backing" of Linux at this point is mostly marketing, not integration into core products, due to intellectual property dillution fears. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 21 14:26: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from highway.com.py (hwns1.highway.com.py [208.209.45.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAEA37B423 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whatsup ([208.209.45.206]) by highway.com.py (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8LLOvL39108 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:25:01 -0400 (PYT) Message-ID: <012401bf8620$07c21aa0$ce2dd1d0@whatsup.highway.com.py> From: "Damian Ramirez" To: Subject: error compiling my new kernel for disk quotas. Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 17:24:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0121_01BF85FE.7C8F0B80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0121_01BF85FE.7C8F0B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I install FreeBSD 4.1 in a PC with GENERIC Kernel I need modify the Kernel to support Disk Quotas. In the /usr/src/i386/conf directory i copy the GENERIC config file = to my DKERNEL config file and add the option QUOTAS. To compile my new kernel with DKERNEL config file i run the next: # cd /usr/src # make buildkernel KERNEL=3DDKERNEL And the compile stop says the next: Trying=20 " {.data section} - "KERNBASE" {*UND* section} at file address 1535. /tmp/ccXc4277.s:2462: Error: Subtraction of two symbols in different = sections "IdleP TD" {.data section} - "KERNBASE" {*UND* section} at file address 1554. /tmp/ccXc4277.s:2465: Error: Subtraction of two symbols in different = sections "IdleP TD" {.data section} - "KERNBASE" {*UND* section} at file address 1577. /tmp/ccXc4277.s:2468: Error: Subtraction of two symbols in different = sections "IdleP TD" {.data section} - "KERNBASE" {*UND* section} at file address 1596. *** Error code 1 =20 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DKERNEL. *** Error code 1 =20 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 =20 Stop in /usr/src. =20 Help me please Thanks! =20 Damian Ramirez damian@highway.com.py ------=_NextPart_000_0121_01BF85FE.7C8F0B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
    I install FreeBSD = 4.1 in a PC=20 with GENERIC Kernel
    I need modify the = Kernel to=20 support  Disk Quotas.
    In the = /usr/src/i386/conf=20 directory i copy the GENERIC config file to my DKERNEL config file and = add the=20 option QUOTAS.
    To compile my new = kernel with=20 DKERNEL config file i run the next:
    # cd = /usr/src    # make buildkernel=20 KERNEL=3DDKERNEL
    And the compile=20 stop says the next:
 
Trying
" {.data section} - = "KERNBASE"=20 {*UND* section} at file address 1535.
/tmp/ccXc4277.s:2462: Error:=20 Subtraction of two symbols in different sections "IdleP
TD" = {.data=20 section} - "KERNBASE" {*UND* section} at file address=20 1554.
/tmp/ccXc4277.s:2465: Error: Subtraction of two symbols in = different=20 sections "IdleP
TD" {.data section} - "KERNBASE" = {*UND*=20 section} at file address 1577.
/tmp/ccXc4277.s:2468: Error: = Subtraction of=20 two symbols in different sections "IdleP
TD" {.data = section} -=20 "KERNBASE" {*UND* section} at file address 1596.
*** Error = code=20 1
 
Stop in = /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DKERNEL.
***=20 Error code 1
 
Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code=20 1
 
Stop in /usr/src.
 
Help me please
Thanks!
 
 
 
Damian Ramirez
damian@highway.com.py
------=_NextPart_000_0121_01BF85FE.7C8F0B80-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 21 15:58: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F20F37B423; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id SAA10451; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:57:49 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts001d08.mer-id.concentric.net (ts001d08.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.20]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id SAA14093; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:55:32 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: David Johnson Cc: Joe Warner , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Just Imagine.. In-Reply-To: <39CA4C16.FFB05634@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Microsoft? "embrace/extend Unix"??? More likely, they would attempt to turn it into "windows 9000, 'the _new_ and _IMPROVED_' Unix". Then we would have available a Unix OS that would mis-manage the disk, lock up, crash/burn and the public would become Unix "aware". And, since it (the new improved OS) would operate "normally," the public would now embrace Unix for the first time and they would _love_ it--cause bill & the boys in Redmond say they should. New applications would be written: TeX would become MsX and run on the new Unix only and have one typeface, and would only require reinstallation once per 100 page manuscript--an "awesome" breakthrough. X would become M and have clouds in the "sky". Pine would become ... well, Pine would have to go. Corel nor Wordstar would work, Netscape would have to burn and no alternative but to scrap vi.... and it would become miwordpad ... with a GUI ... grep could be msrepfind ... and .... (Sorry, couldn't help myself). ML Duke > A Microsoft, on the other hand, views partners as competitors. They > would not be content with funding FreeBSD and getting no lock on > something in return. I would see them doing it only as a way to get into > the Unix market, then proceeding to embrace/extend Unix. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 21 16: 7:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.radiks.net (mail.radiks.net [205.138.126.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6720637B423 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from radiks.net (dsp-1-omaha.radiks.net [206.29.242.3]) by mail.radiks.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA26717 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:07:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <39CA949C.B1627A8A@radiks.net> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:07:08 -0500 From: John Amdor III Reply-To: johnmxl@radiks.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Just Imagine.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I thought Microsoft already tried UNIX...wasn't SCO Unix originally part of the Microsoft empire? John Amdor ML Duke wrote: > > Microsoft? "embrace/extend Unix"??? > > More likely, they would attempt to turn it into "windows 9000, 'the > _new_ and _IMPROVED_' Unix". Then we would have available a Unix > OS that would mis-manage the disk, lock up, crash/burn and the > public would become Unix "aware". To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 21 16:20:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE2437B42C for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA5E1; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:23:27 -0700 Message-ID: <39CA972F.BFFAB715@acuson.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:18:07 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: johnmxl@radiks.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Just Imagine.. References: <39CA949C.B1627A8A@radiks.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Amdor III wrote: > > I thought Microsoft already tried UNIX...wasn't SCO Unix originally part > of the Microsoft empire? Originally, Microsoft had Xenix, and SCO had another Unix, but SCO ended up with Xenix as well, though I don't think it was through Microsoft directly. However, I do recall a deal where Microsoft sold something to SCO with the agreement that Microsoft would not enter the Unix market. So Microsoft can't sell a Unix. I believe that it was at this time that they began working on NT, to be a Unix compatible alternative. It was SCO's acquiring of Xenix that locked up the small-end Unix market until the popularization of Linux. 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