From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 1 7: 5:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D1EA37B502 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 07:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 40243 invoked by alias); 1 Oct 2000 14:05:50 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 40225 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2000 14:05:49 -0000 Received: from badialup228.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.225.236.228) by slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 1 Oct 2000 14:05:49 -0000 Message-ID: <39D743C3.4BBDC6F5@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 08:01:40 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Regarding the long thread that ensued, a while back, after I posted and questioned the possibility of a BSD magazine in print....below is a response I got from one of the editors of Linux Magazine. Why would advertising be such a big problem, since most applications that are made for Linux, will run on *BSD? What products are made for Linux exclusively and won't run on *BSD? Joe Linux Magazine Editors wrote: > > > I agree with you that a FreeBSD magazine would be a really cool idea, and > that there are a substantial number of readers who would support it. > > The problem is the other side of the equation -- advertisers. > Unfortunately, there are not enough companies that make products for BSD > and that would want to advertise those products to support a publication. > > However, don't despair. We are launching a new publication called "Open > Source Developer's Journal", and there will be articles about BSD in that > magazine. The first issue contains a piece on the FreeBSD process > schedualer. > > Anyway, I appreciate your comments about Linux Mag, and I hope that we are > able to provide you and the rest of the BSD community with intersting and > worthwhile publications, even if we can't launch a magazine dedicated > solely to BSD. > -- FreeBSD = The Power to Serve ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 1 9:19:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx-a.qnet.com (mx-a.qnet.com [209.221.198.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F27937B503 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 09:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cello.qnet.com (stork@cello.qnet.com [209.221.198.10]) by mx-a.qnet.com (8.9.1a/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21239; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 09:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (stork@localhost) by cello.qnet.com (8.9.0/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07437; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 09:19:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cello.qnet.com: stork owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 09:19:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Heredity Choice To: Drew Redman Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Install Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Your hardware description sounds fine, but there may be something about your SCSI that FreeBSD does not like. See if you get additional information by hitting Alt-F2. When it hangs, the last line is the clue to the problem. Assuming your harddrive is properly terminated and on ID 0, you should check the drive for bad clusters. Use Scandisk if you are running M$. I find that DOS is much more tolerant of bad clusters than is FreeBSD. I have a new SCSI drive (which will be going back to IBM this week) which has a thousand bad clusters at the beginning. FreeBSD will not touch it but DOS installs quite cheerfully. Paul Smith stork@qnet.com On Sun, 1 Oct 2000, Drew Redman wrote: > Hey All, > I'm new to both FreeBSD and this list, so please go easy... > > Recently, I downloaded the FreeBSD 4.1 ISO. After burning it, I attempted to > install it by setting up the bios on my box to boot from the cdrom. Then I > put the cd in and booted into the FreeBSD setup with the cd. When the > computer first boots from the cd, it begins loading the kernel, then gives a > menu screen asking if I want to configure the kernel or continue without > configuring. Regardless of which option I choose, the problem still exists. > Anyway, so I choose an option and the kernel continues to load. Then, I get > a message saying "Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle". Well, 15 > seconds comes and goes and nothing happens. I've waited up to 30 minutes for > it to proceed and it never does.. I have no idea what to try next. Any tips > anyone out there could give me would be a huge help. > Thank You, > drew > > BTW- Yes the box is fast enough to support FreeBSD, its a PPro 200, 64 megs > of RAM, and a 4 gig drive.. and I'm using a Adaptec 2940A SCSI adapter... > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 1 10:39:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.mia.bellsouth.net (mail3.mia.bellsouth.net [205.152.144.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C00CA37B66C for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from neurowin1 (adsl-61-37-119.mia.bellsouth.net [208.61.37.119]) by mail3.mia.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with SMTP id NAA11701 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001501c02bcd$fc213a60$0100a8c0@ehelpworld.com> From: "Neurosys" To: Subject: Crashing... Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:35:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C02BAC.6E843020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C02BAC.6E843020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My system can be idle. or in use. In console or in X. uptime for 1 hr or = 30 days. I get this coredump and it reboots the machine without = dismounting... Fatal Trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address =3D 0xc076e000 fault code =3D supervisor read, page not present instructor pointer =3D 0x8:0xc019a51d stack pointer =3D 0x10:0xc02a3f7c frame pointer =3D 0x10:0xc02a3fb4 code segment =3D base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b =3D DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags =3D interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL =3D 0 current process =3D Idle interrupt mask =3D trap number =3D 12 panic =3D page fault then it gives me 15 secs before it automatically reboots or i hit any = key to let it sit there, till i again press anykey to reboot. I never had crashes like this while this box was under Win98 or Linux = Slackware 7.1 The only thing i did to the kernel is remove USB support, SCSI support, = ppp and slip and I added IPFILTER and IPFILTER_LOG I asked in DALnet (becuase i cent get onto efnet) and someone suggested = my mem. So i got a new mem and still the same.=20 Before i go ripping out all my hardware and buying new stuff. Maybe = someone knows what this error is? Here are my hardware specs incase you = need it.. ASUS P3F-B 440BX MotherBoard - Award Bios - 6 PCI Slots Pent. 3 500Mhz 128 RAM Maxtor HD. Viper 770 TNT2=20 Soundblaster Live (Which is not enabled in the kernel due to these = crashes. FIgured till its fixed i dont need it.) Someone please help me! I dont wanan go back to Linux! I LOVE FREEBSD! = =3DP ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C02BAC.6E843020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My system can be idle. or in use. In = console or in=20 X. uptime for 1 hr or 30 days. I get this coredump and it reboots the = machine=20 without dismounting...
 
Fatal Trap 12: page fault while in = kernel=20 mode
fault virtual address    =3D 0xc076e000
fault=20 code           &nb= sp;  =20 =3D supervisor read, page not present
instructor=20 pointer       =3D 0x8:0xc019a51d
stack=20 pointer           = =3D=20 0x10:0xc02a3f7c
frame=20 pointer           = =3D=20 0x10:0xc02a3fb4
code=20 segment           =  =20 =3D base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type=20 0x1b
           = ;            =  =20 =3D DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1
processor=20 eflags         =3D interrupt = enabled,=20 resume, IOPL =3D 0
current=20 process          =3D=20 Idle
interrupt=20 mask           = =3D
trap=20 number           &= nbsp; =20 =3D 12
panic =3D page fault
then it gives me 15 secs before it = automatically=20 reboots or i hit any key to let it sit there, till i again press anykey = to=20 reboot.
 
I never had crashes like this while = this box was=20 under Win98 or Linux Slackware 7.1
 
The only thing i did to the kernel is = remove USB=20 support, SCSI support, ppp and slip and I added IPFILTER and=20 IPFILTER_LOG
 
I asked in DALnet (becuase i cent get = onto efnet)=20 and someone suggested my mem. So i got a new mem and still the same.=20
Before i go ripping out all my hardware = and buying=20 new stuff. Maybe someone knows what this error is? Here are my hardware = specs=20 incase you need it..
 
ASUS P3F-B 440BX MotherBoard - = Award Bios - 6 PCI Slots
Pent. 3 500Mhz
128 RAM
Maxtor HD.
Viper 770 TNT2 =
Soundblaster Live (Which is not = enabled in=20 the kernel due to these crashes. FIgured till its fixed i dont need=20 it.)
 
Someone please help me! I dont = wanan go back=20 to Linux! I LOVE FREEBSD! =3DP
 
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C02BAC.6E843020-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 1 13:35: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f129.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B7A37B502 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:34:59 -0700 Received: from 199.45.200.140 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:34:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.45.200.140] From: "Drew Redman" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Install Help Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:34:59 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2000 20:34:59.0450 (UTC) FILETIME=[115385A0:01C02BE7] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thank You very much for the information. I tried hitting Alt-F2 but didn't have any luck... As soon as it hits the error, its like it locks up the box cause I can't even CTRL-ALT-DEL my way out of it... However, the last line that comes up before it gives the "Waiting 15 seconds" message says "ppc0: cannot reserve I/O port range" Any Ideas? Thanks, drew >From: Heredity Choice >To: Drew Redman >CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: FreeBSD Install Help >Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 09:19:02 -0700 (PDT) > >Your hardware description sounds fine, but there may be something about >your SCSI that FreeBSD does not like. > >See if you get additional information by hitting Alt-F2. When it hangs, >the last line is the clue to the problem. > >Assuming your harddrive is properly terminated and on ID 0, you should >check the drive for bad clusters. Use Scandisk if you are running M$. I >find that DOS is much more tolerant of bad clusters than is FreeBSD. I >have a new SCSI drive (which will be going back to IBM this week) which >has a thousand bad clusters at the beginning. FreeBSD will not touch it >but DOS installs quite cheerfully. > >Paul Smith >stork@qnet.com > >On Sun, 1 Oct 2000, Drew Redman wrote: > > > Hey All, > > I'm new to both FreeBSD and this list, so please go easy... > > > > Recently, I downloaded the FreeBSD 4.1 ISO. After burning it, I >attempted to > > install it by setting up the bios on my box to boot from the cdrom. Then >I > > put the cd in and booted into the FreeBSD setup with the cd. When the > > computer first boots from the cd, it begins loading the kernel, then >gives a > > menu screen asking if I want to configure the kernel or continue without > > configuring. Regardless of which option I choose, the problem still >exists. > > Anyway, so I choose an option and the kernel continues to load. Then, I >get > > a message saying "Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle". Well, >15 > > seconds comes and goes and nothing happens. I've waited up to 30 minutes >for > > it to proceed and it never does.. I have no idea what to try next. Any >tips > > anyone out there could give me would be a huge help. > > Thank You, > > drew > > > > BTW- Yes the box is fast enough to support FreeBSD, its a PPro 200, 64 >megs > > of RAM, and a 4 gig drive.. and I'm using a Adaptec 2940A SCSI >adapter... > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 1 13:55:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f242.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291ED37B66C for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:55:57 -0700 Received: from 199.45.200.140 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:55:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.45.200.140] From: "Drew Redman" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Install Help (again) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:55:56 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2000 20:55:57.0041 (UTC) FILETIME=[FEE8AE10:01C02BE9] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, I think we're on to something here... I disabling the parallel port in BIOS and rebooting.. Now, the last error before it displays "Waiting 15 seconds..." says "RTC BIOS diagnostic error 20" Any more ideas? Thanks a lot, drew >From: Heredity Choice >To: Drew Redman >CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: FreeBSD Install Help >Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 09:19:02 -0700 (PDT) > >Your hardware description sounds fine, but there may be something about >your SCSI that FreeBSD does not like. > >See if you get additional information by hitting Alt-F2. When it hangs, >the last line is the clue to the problem. > >Assuming your harddrive is properly terminated and on ID 0, you should >check the drive for bad clusters. Use Scandisk if you are running M$. I >find that DOS is much more tolerant of bad clusters than is FreeBSD. I >have a new SCSI drive (which will be going back to IBM this week) which >has a thousand bad clusters at the beginning. FreeBSD will not touch it >but DOS installs quite cheerfully. > >Paul Smith >stork@qnet.com > >On Sun, 1 Oct 2000, Drew Redman wrote: > > > Hey All, > > I'm new to both FreeBSD and this list, so please go easy... > > > > Recently, I downloaded the FreeBSD 4.1 ISO. After burning it, I >attempted to > > install it by setting up the bios on my box to boot from the cdrom. Then >I > > put the cd in and booted into the FreeBSD setup with the cd. When the > > computer first boots from the cd, it begins loading the kernel, then >gives a > > menu screen asking if I want to configure the kernel or continue without > > configuring. Regardless of which option I choose, the problem still >exists. > > Anyway, so I choose an option and the kernel continues to load. Then, I >get > > a message saying "Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle". Well, >15 > > seconds comes and goes and nothing happens. I've waited up to 30 minutes >for > > it to proceed and it never does.. I have no idea what to try next. Any >tips > > anyone out there could give me would be a huge help. > > Thank You, > > drew > > > > BTW- Yes the box is fast enough to support FreeBSD, its a PPro 200, 64 >megs > > of RAM, and a 4 gig drive.. and I'm using a Adaptec 2940A SCSI >adapter... > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 1 15:40:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F54F37B502; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA58875; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:40:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:40:41 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: Joe Warner Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? Message-ID: <20001001184041.A58830@blackhelicopters.org> References: <39D743C3.4BBDC6F5@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <39D743C3.4BBDC6F5@uswest.net>; from jswarner@uswest.net on Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 08:01:40AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org While advertisers do make products that *run* on BSD, they don't advertise their products as being usable on BSD. All the difference. On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 08:01:40AM -0600, Joe Warner wrote: > > Regarding the long thread that ensued, a while back, after I posted and > questioned the possibility of a BSD magazine in print....below is a > response I got from one of the editors of Linux Magazine. > > Why would advertising be such a big problem, since most applications > that are made for Linux, will run on *BSD? What products are > made for Linux exclusively and won't run on *BSD? > > Joe > > > Linux Magazine Editors wrote: > > > > > > > I agree with you that a FreeBSD magazine would be a really cool idea, and > > > that there are a substantial number of readers who would support it. > > > > The problem is the other side of the equation -- advertisers. > > Unfortunately, there are not enough companies that make products for BSD > > > and that would want to advertise those products to support a publication. > > > > > However, don't despair. We are launching a new publication called "Open > > Source Developer's Journal", and there will be articles about BSD in that > > > magazine. The first issue contains a piece on the FreeBSD process > > schedualer. > > > > Anyway, I appreciate your comments about Linux Mag, and I hope that we > are > > able to provide you and the rest of the BSD community with intersting and > > > worthwhile publications, even if we can't launch a magazine dedicated > > solely to BSD. > > > > -- > > FreeBSD = The Power to Serve > ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 1 15:52:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E63B837B502 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c158580a ([24.21.170.113]) by lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001001224951.TEAC20964.lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com@c158580a> for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:49:51 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c02bf9$e4f8b710$71aa1518@c158580a> From: "MrBoboo" To: "freebsd @ newbie" Subject: Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:49:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C02BCF.FC02A3F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C02BCF.FC02A3F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe newbie@freebsd.org ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C02BCF.FC02A3F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C02BCF.FC02A3F0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 1 16:24:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from glitch.crosswinds.net (glitch.crosswinds.net [209.208.163.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6958F37B66C for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lexx.my.domain (dyn64-ras8.screaming.net [212.49.231.64]) by glitch.crosswinds.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA52828 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:24:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from john253@crosswinds.net) From: John Murphy To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Excellent tutorials Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 00:23:38 +0100 Organization: The Organisation Reply-To: john253@crosswinds.net Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org at: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/FreeBSD_Basics To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 1 17:15:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop3.slkc.uswest.net (mail.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1983C37B66C for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23577 invoked by alias); 2 Oct 2000 00:15:37 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 23549 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2000 00:15:36 -0000 Received: from premiumb64.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.224.203.64) by mail.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 00:15:36 -0000 Message-ID: <39D7D2AE.3EF062CB@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 18:11:26 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Lucas Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? References: <39D743C3.4BBDC6F5@uswest.net> <20001001184041.A58830@blackhelicopters.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So then...it's the advertisers we should be contacting and not just the publishers, right? Michael Lucas wrote: > While advertisers do make products that *run* on BSD, they don't > advertise their products as being usable on BSD. All the difference. > > On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 08:01:40AM -0600, Joe Warner wrote: > > > > Regarding the long thread that ensued, a while back, after I posted and > > questioned the possibility of a BSD magazine in print....below is a > > response I got from one of the editors of Linux Magazine. > > > > Why would advertising be such a big problem, since most applications > > that are made for Linux, will run on *BSD? What products are > > made for Linux exclusively and won't run on *BSD? > > > > Joe > > > > > > Linux Magazine Editors wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you that a FreeBSD magazine would be a really cool idea, and > > > > > that there are a substantial number of readers who would support it. > > > > > > The problem is the other side of the equation -- advertisers. > > > Unfortunately, there are not enough companies that make products for BSD > > > > > and that would want to advertise those products to support a publication. > > > > > > > > However, don't despair. We are launching a new publication called "Open > > > Source Developer's Journal", and there will be articles about BSD in that > > > > > magazine. The first issue contains a piece on the FreeBSD process > > > schedualer. > > > > > > Anyway, I appreciate your comments about Linux Mag, and I hope that we > > are > > > able to provide you and the rest of the BSD community with intersting and > > > > > worthwhile publications, even if we can't launch a magazine dedicated > > > solely to BSD. > > > > > > > -- > > > > FreeBSD = The Power to Serve > > ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > -- > Michael Lucas > mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org > http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ > Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons -- FreeBSD = The Power to Serve ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 1 19:34:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx-a.qnet.com (mx-a.qnet.com [209.221.198.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB7337B503; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cello.qnet.com (stork@cello.qnet.com [209.221.198.10]) by mx-a.qnet.com (8.9.1a/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26782; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (stork@localhost) by cello.qnet.com (8.9.0/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA29521; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:33:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cello.qnet.com: stork owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:33:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Heredity Choice To: Joe Warner Cc: Michael Lucas , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? In-Reply-To: <39D7D2AE.3EF062CB@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't see many computer magazines of any kind on the newsstands anymore. I think most people who are interested read them online. Paul Smith To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 1 20:39:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEEA237B502 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17086; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:39:14 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from dougy.apana.org.au(203.3.126.131), claiming to be "dougy" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdT17084; Mon Oct 2 13:39:06 2000 Message-ID: <007801c02c23$31274ab0$837e03cb@dougy> From: "Doug Young" To: , References: Subject: Re: Excellent tutorials Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:45:19 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for the tip ..... they certainly are worth checking out !!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Murphy" To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 9:23 AM Subject: Excellent tutorials > > at: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/FreeBSD_Basics > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 1 20:55:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.ovis.net (ns1.ovis.net [207.0.147.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF3437B502; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ovis.net (s39.pm5.ovis.net [207.0.147.105]) by ns1.ovis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32113; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:54:30 -0400 Message-ID: <39D8091B.942E47ED@ovis.net> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 00:03:40 -0400 From: Steve Kudlak Reply-To: chromexa@ovis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD ezn/58/n (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heredity Choice Cc: Joe Warner , Michael Lucas , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Bridgette Burke Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Heredity Choice wrote: > I don't see many computer magazines of any kind on the newsstands anymore. > I think most people who are interested read them online. > > Paul Smith > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message Well here in Wheeling, WV one has to go into the local porn bookstore which has a non-porn section and buy things like electronic and computer type magazines except for the real biggie PC mags. Those one can get at the local Kroger's. A journey to Ohio (just across the river) will get you a better selection. Here WWF and Studio Wrestling Magazines dominate the local newstands along with cooking and those women's advice type of magazines. A creative attempt might fly, I mean one could have a BSD magazine and have it have a funny cover. You'd get a one pass buy from Christians who would buy just to try to find out what that little devil was up to, and doesn't fork sound vaguely racy in American English Slang and what about root for Australian English.:) But if Alternative Press, which isn't bad, but is a Marilyn Manson hagiography can survivea BSD slick (glossy stock magazine) might make it. Especially if it had some of those nice tutorials in it. Have Fun, Sends Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 2 4:27:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C31CA37B681 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 04:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 55102 invoked by alias); 2 Oct 2000 11:27:08 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 55073 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2000 11:27:07 -0000 Received: from badialup87.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.225.236.87) by slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 11:27:07 -0000 Message-ID: <39D87012.43AA7EF5@uswest.net> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 05:22:58 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heredity Choice Cc: Michael Lucas , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I can walk into any Borders or Barnes and Noble book stores and find PC Magazine, Wired Magazine, Sysadmin Magazine, Linux Journal and Linux Magazine, to name a few. Heck, at Barnes and Noble, I can usually find a few copies of the 2600 Hackers Quarterly with their "Free Kevin" slogans on the cover. Well, not any more, since he got out of jail. That one usually sells out the quickest. Joe Heredity Choice wrote: > I don't see many computer magazines of any kind on the newsstands anymore. > I think most people who are interested read them online. > > Paul Smith -- FreeBSD = The Power to Serve ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 2 4:55:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4089237B503; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 04:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA60881; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:55:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:55:29 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: Joe Warner Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? Message-ID: <20001002075529.B60850@blackhelicopters.org> References: <39D743C3.4BBDC6F5@uswest.net> <20001001184041.A58830@blackhelicopters.org> <39D7D2AE.3EF062CB@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <39D7D2AE.3EF062CB@uswest.net>; from jswarner@uswest.net on Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 06:11:26PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Software publishers are not going to arbitrarily add support for a product. Yes, we know it works, but that's very different from saying it's supported. That's why the Loki Games thing was news; we all know that you could run those games on BSD, but Loki agreed to support it, and to label it as BSD-compatible. When we get enough vendors, the magazine will happen. We'll get enough vendors when there's enough publicity. A magazine would be great for publicity. Sort of a three-way chicken-and egg problem; pick the part you want to attack, and get to work. :) On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 06:11:26PM -0600, Joe Warner wrote: > So then...it's the advertisers we should be contacting and not just > the publishers, right? > > > Michael Lucas wrote: > > > While advertisers do make products that *run* on BSD, they don't > > advertise their products as being usable on BSD. All the difference. > > > > On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 08:01:40AM -0600, Joe Warner wrote: > > > > > > Regarding the long thread that ensued, a while back, after I posted and > > > questioned the possibility of a BSD magazine in print....below is a > > > response I got from one of the editors of Linux Magazine. > > > > > > Why would advertising be such a big problem, since most applications > > > that are made for Linux, will run on *BSD? What products are > > > made for Linux exclusively and won't run on *BSD? > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > Linux Magazine Editors wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you that a FreeBSD magazine would be a really cool idea, and > > > > > > > that there are a substantial number of readers who would support it. > > > > > > > > The problem is the other side of the equation -- advertisers. > > > > Unfortunately, there are not enough companies that make products for BSD > > > > > > > and that would want to advertise those products to support a publication. > > > > > > > > > > > However, don't despair. We are launching a new publication called "Open > > > > Source Developer's Journal", and there will be articles about BSD in that > > > > > > > magazine. The first issue contains a piece on the FreeBSD process > > > > schedualer. > > > > > > > > Anyway, I appreciate your comments about Linux Mag, and I hope that we > > > are > > > > able to provide you and the rest of the BSD community with intersting and > > > > > > > worthwhile publications, even if we can't launch a magazine dedicated > > > > solely to BSD. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > FreeBSD = The Power to Serve > > > ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > > > -- > > Michael Lucas > > mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org > > http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ > > Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons > > -- > > FreeBSD = The Power to Serve > ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! > -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 2 7:48:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (sivka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A414C37B66C; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kozlik.carrier.kiev.ua (root@kozlik.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.111]) by sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (8/Kilkenny_is_better) with ESMTP id RSP52234; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:48:19 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from igor@greyk.kiev.ua) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by kozlik.carrier.kiev.ua with UUCP id RRZ85763; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:46:47 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from igor@greyk.kiev.ua) Received: from greyk.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by kozlik.carrier.kiev.ua (rmail mypid=85762 childpid=85763) with UUCP; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:46:47 +0000 GMT Received: from greyk.kiev.ua (ntserver.greyk.kiev.ua [192.168.194.1]) by bsd.greyk.kiev.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14168; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:42:40 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from igor@greyk.kiev.ua) Message-ID: <39D8ACCA.C4F37630@greyk.kiev.ua> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 17:42:03 +0200 From: Igor Khavin Reply-To: igorok@macrules.ru Organization: Grey Kyiv X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,uk,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: FTP passive mode fails Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! I'm rather newbie, so question probably is a silly one. I cannot run ls command on FTP servers because passive mode doesn't work, like this: bsd:~> ftp ftp.lucky.net Connected to ftp.lucky.net. Name (ftp.lucky.net:igor): anonymous 331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password. Password: 230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply. Remote system type is UNIX. Using binary mode to transfer files. ftp> ls 227 Entering Passive Mode (193,193,193,113,4,32) ftp: connect: Operation timed out ftp> or even like this: ... ftp> passive Passive mode off. ftp> passive on Passive mode on. ftp> ls 227 Entering Passive Mode (193,193,193,113,6,230) ftp: connect: Operation timed out What's wrong? What should I configure? FTP client, firewall or something else? From Win boxes I can get listings of FTP sites using any browser but not ftp command line. I run 4.0-STABLE. A friend of mine who installed and preconfigured the box is unavailable now, so I have to struggle myself. 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To: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org (Michael Lucas) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:58:24 +0000 (GMT) Cc: jswarner@uswest.net (Joe Warner), freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20001001184041.A58830@blackhelicopters.org> from "Michael Lucas" at Oct 01, 2000 06:40:41 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Why would advertising be such a big problem, since most applications > > that are made for Linux, will run on *BSD? What products are > > made for Linux exclusively and won't run on *BSD? > > While advertisers do make products that *run* on BSD, they don't > advertise their products as being usable on BSD. All the difference. This is wrong. Many companies support BSDI or FreeBSD versions, and have since the glibc2 debacle made it nearly impossible to maintain only a single Linux distribution. A good example is Zend, which builds a PHP optimizer, and distributes 1 FreeBSD version and 3 Linux versions of the same program because of binary incompatability between Linux distributions. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 2 15:13:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8870437B66D; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D68161C1; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30099; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:13:08 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 18:06:12 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525696C.007941D2 ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:04:27 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, jswarner@uswest.net (Joe Warner), mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org (Michael Lucas) Message-Id: <8525696C.007940A5.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:06:59 -0600 Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, then advertising shouldn't be an issue and the editor I spoke with at Linux Magazine was simply misinformed, right? What I've been hearing thus far, is that a large number of advertisers don't advertise their products as being compatible with the BSDs because, amid the current popularity of Linux, haven't heard of the BSDs or for unknown reasons, haven't referenced the BSDs in their ads. When I started the long thread (BSD Magazine?) a while back, I saw quite a number of responses stating that demand for a magazine in print wouldn't be the issue, finding adequate sponsorship and advertising would. So, it seems if a BSD focused magazine is to become a reality, efforts need to be made to spread the word to the advertisers as well as publishers, with heavy emphasis on the previous. Joe |--------+-----------------------> | | Terry Lambert| | | | | | | | | 10/02/00 | | | 02:58 PM | | | | |--------+-----------------------> >---------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org (Michael | | Lucas) | | cc: jswarner@uswest.net (Joe Warner), | | freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, | | freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, (bcc: Joe | | Warner/SMS) | | Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? | >---------------------------------------------------------| > > Why would advertising be such a big problem, since most applications > > that are made for Linux, will run on *BSD? What products are > > made for Linux exclusively and won't run on *BSD? > > While advertisers do make products that *run* on BSD, they don't > advertise their products as being usable on BSD. All the difference. This is wrong. Many companies support BSDI or FreeBSD versions, and have since the glibc2 debacle made it nearly impossible to maintain only a single Linux distribution. A good example is Zend, which builds a PHP optimizer, and distributes 1 FreeBSD version and 3 Linux versions of the same program because of binary incompatability between Linux distributions. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 2 15:13:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop.hccnet.nl (pop.hccnet.nl [193.172.127.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D445F37B66C; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parmenides.utp.net by pop.hccnet.nl via uds147-123.dial.hccnet.nl [193.173.123.147] with ESMTP id AAA09300 (8.8.5/1.13); Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:13:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (janko@localhost) by parmenides.utp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01131; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:13:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from janko@compuserve.com) X-Authentication-Warning: parmenides.utp.net: janko owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:13:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Janko van Roosmalen X-Sender: janko@parmenides.utp.net To: Joe Warner Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazin In-Reply-To: <39D743C3.4BBDC6F5@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I subscribed to Linux Magazine a few months before I installed FreeBSD, and I already would be happy with a FreeBSD column. If we cannot get a magazine a column would be better than nothing. Remember Marcuse's phrase "march through the institutions". Even though I use Linux hardly anymore I renewed my subscription, because of the many non-Linux related articels. The Oct edition edition had nice articles about how to set up "postfix" and how to secure DNS and Bind. My 0.02 devaluated Eurocents ===Janko van Roosmalen - Vught - Netherlands=== On Sun, 1 Oct 2000, Joe Warner wrote: > > > Regarding the long thread that ensued, a while back, after I posted and > questioned the possibility of a BSD magazine in print....below is a > response I got from one of the editors of Linux Magazine. > > Why would advertising be such a big problem, since most applications > that are made for Linux, will run on *BSD? What products are > made for Linux exclusively and won't run on *BSD? > > Joe > > > Linux Magazine Editors wrote: > > > > > > > I agree with you that a FreeBSD magazine would be a really cool idea, and > > > that there are a substantial number of readers who would support it. > > > > The problem is the other side of the equation -- advertisers. > > Unfortunately, there are not enough companies that make products for BSD > > > and that would want to advertise those products to support a publication. > > > > > However, don't despair. We are launching a new publication called "Open > > Source Developer's Journal", and there will be articles about BSD in that > > > magazine. The first issue contains a piece on the FreeBSD process > > schedualer. > > > > Anyway, I appreciate your comments about Linux Mag, and I hope that we > are > > able to provide you and the rest of the BSD community with intersting and > > > worthwhile publications, even if we can't launch a magazine dedicated > > solely to BSD. > > > > -- > > FreeBSD = The Power to Serve > ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 2 15:34:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 147E037B502; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47639161AE; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31721; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:34:16 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 18:34:06 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525696C.007BCFCF ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:32:21 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: Janko van Roosmalen Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, Joe Warner Message-Id: <8525696C.007BCF27.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:34:53 -0600 Subject: Re: BSD Magazin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I subscribed to Linux Magazine a few months before I installed FreeBSD, and I already would be happy with a FreeBSD column. If we cannot get a magazine a column would be better than nothing. I agree. This is also why the prospect of having a magazine that will include BSD related articles, such as The Open Source Developer's Journal (mentioned previously) is exciting and should provide some much needed exposure to the BSDs and the BSD community. The Oct edition had nice articles about how to set up "postfix" and how to secure DNS and Bind. Yes, it's a very well written magazine and I've enjoyed reading it for a long time, as well. Hopefully, if a BSD focused magazine emerges in the future, it will be of the same caliber. Joe |--------+-----------------------> | | Janko van | | | Roosmalen | | | | | | | | | 10/02/00 | | | 04:13 PM | | | | |--------+-----------------------> >---------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: Joe Warner | | cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, | | freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, (bcc: Joe | | Warner/SMS) | | Subject: Re: BSD Magazin | >---------------------------------------------------------| I subscribed to Linux Magazine a few months before I installed FreeBSD, and I already would be happy with a FreeBSD column. If we cannot get a magazine a column would be better than nothing. Remember Marcuse's phrase "march through the institutions". Even though I use Linux hardly anymore I renewed my subscription, because of the many non-Linux related articels. The Oct edition edition had nice articles about how to set up "postfix" and how to secure DNS and Bind. My 0.02 devaluated Eurocents ===Janko van Roosmalen - Vught - Netherlands=== On Sun, 1 Oct 2000, Joe Warner wrote: > > > Regarding the long thread that ensued, a while back, after I posted and > questioned the possibility of a BSD magazine in print....below is a > response I got from one of the editors of Linux Magazine. > > Why would advertising be such a big problem, since most applications > that are made for Linux, will run on *BSD? What products are > made for Linux exclusively and won't run on *BSD? > > Joe > > > Linux Magazine Editors wrote: > > > > > > > I agree with you that a FreeBSD magazine would be a really cool idea, and > > > that there are a substantial number of readers who would support it. > > > > The problem is the other side of the equation -- advertisers. > > Unfortunately, there are not enough companies that make products for BSD > > > and that would want to advertise those products to support a publication. > > > > > However, don't despair. We are launching a new publication called "Open > > Source Developer's Journal", and there will be articles about BSD in that > > > magazine. The first issue contains a piece on the FreeBSD process > > schedualer. > > > > Anyway, I appreciate your comments about Linux Mag, and I hope that we > are > > able to provide you and the rest of the BSD community with intersting and > > > worthwhile publications, even if we can't launch a magazine dedicated > > solely to BSD. > > > > -- > > FreeBSD = The Power to Serve > ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 2 15:35:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3773D37B502; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.41.153]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAAB28; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:38:06 -0700 Message-ID: <39D90D00.590ED6F7@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:32:32 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe.Warner@smed.com Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? References: <8525696C.007940A5.00@Deimos.smed.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe.Warner@smed.com wrote: > So, it seems if a BSD focused magazine is to become a reality, efforts need > to > be made to spread the word to the advertisers as well as publishers, with > heavy emphasis on the previous. Or we could all do what the Linux community did two and three years ago (when they were in our position). When you buy a NIC, soundcard or any other hardware ask the manufacturer for a FreeBSD driver. Ask Dell and Gateway for preinstalls of FreeBSD. Ask your software vendors when they will be porting their stuff to FreeBSD. The answer to all of the above will be "no" and "never", but it will plant the name "FreeBSD" into their heads. And we also need to do some stuff that they never even had a problem with... Don't refer to Open Source Unix applications as "Linux apps". When an article talks about "Apache, the Linux software", gently and *politely* remind them that Apache works with all Unix systems, including FreeBSD, Solaris et al (it's okay to fail to mention NT :-) ). When you hear of an announcement to port a program to Linux, ask whether it will also be ported to FreeBSD. Eventually it will dawn on these advertisers and publishers that there is this thing out there called FreeBSD and that its users have money to spend. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 2 15:48:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F0037B66D; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6FF161C2; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32754; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:48:32 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 18:48:23 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525696C.007D1E6E ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:46:37 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: David Johnson Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <8525696C.007D1E43.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:49:11 -0600 Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Or we could all do what the Linux community did two and three years ago >(when they were in our position). When you buy a NIC, soundcard or any >other hardware ask the manufacturer for a FreeBSD driver. Ask Dell and >Gateway for preinstalls of FreeBSD. Agreed..and I've heard this recommended before. >Don't refer to Open Source Unix applications as "Linux apps". Yes! Very good point! I agree with everything you've said but would add that it wouldn't hurt to take a more proactive approach and make an effort to contact the advertisers directly, whether by email or phone and not just when you purchase a new NIC or soundcard. I think it would be a good idea to pick up a few of the most popular magazines, take note of who some of their most prominent advertisers are and send them a polite message. As stated in a previous email, I plan to contact as many publishers and now advertisers as I can and will post the feedback I get here. Though, it will take more than one person's efforts to make a dent. Joe |--------+-----------------------> | | David Johnson| | | | | | | | | 10/02/00 | | | 04:32 PM | | | | |--------+-----------------------> >---------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: Joe Warner/SMS@SMS | | cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, | | freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org | | Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? | >---------------------------------------------------------| Joe.Warner@smed.com wrote: > So, it seems if a BSD focused magazine is to become a reality, efforts need > to > be made to spread the word to the advertisers as well as publishers, with > heavy emphasis on the previous. Or we could all do what the Linux community did two and three years ago (when they were in our position). When you buy a NIC, soundcard or any other hardware ask the manufacturer for a FreeBSD driver. Ask Dell and Gateway for preinstalls of FreeBSD. Ask your software vendors when they will be porting their stuff to FreeBSD. The answer to all of the above will be "no" and "never", but it will plant the name "FreeBSD" into their heads. And we also need to do some stuff that they never even had a problem with... Don't refer to Open Source Unix applications as "Linux apps". When an article talks about "Apache, the Linux software", gently and *politely* remind them that Apache works with all Unix systems, including FreeBSD, Solaris et al (it's okay to fail to mention NT :-) ). When you hear of an announcement to port a program to Linux, ask whether it will also be ported to FreeBSD. Eventually it will dawn on these advertisers and publishers that there is this thing out there called FreeBSD and that its users have money to spend. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 2 16: 5:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20FEA37B502; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.41.153]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA19C5; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:08:08 -0700 Message-ID: <39D9140E.9A32F63E@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 16:02:38 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe.Warner@smed.com Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? References: <8525696C.007D1E43.00@Deimos.smed.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe.Warner@smed.com wrote: > I think it would be a good idea to pick up a few of > the most popular magazines, take note of who some > of their most prominent advertisers are and send > them a polite message. Well, in the case of Linux Magazine, one of their more prominent advertisers is BSDi and Walnut Creek :-) I'm thinking that there's enough BSD vendors to get adverts for a magazine, though maybe not enough to get one for a magazine quite as slick as Linux Magazine. Remember the early Linux Journals. It shouldn't be a problem lining up advertisers like OSDN (Slashdot, Freshmeat), Applix, BSDi, Sendmail Inc, Loki, O'Reilly. And if all the ballyhoo about making money is more than just talk, contact Helix and AbiSource. And since FreeBSD is still big for ISPs, what about those companies servicing ISPs? David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 2 17:41:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rly-ip02.mx.aol.com (rly-ip02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 434B037B503 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tot-tm.proxy.aol.com (tot-tm.proxy.aol.com [152.163.197.1]) by rly-ip02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with ESMTP id UAA02141 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from reese.cpis.net (ACA629B0.ipt.aol.com [172.166.41.176]) by tot-tm.proxy.aol.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e930K2N11032 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:20:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Niles Akens" To: Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:33:45 -0400 Message-ID: <01c02cd1$96904c40$e2360b04@reese.cpis.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C02CB0.0F7EAC40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Apparently-From: TMA2R@aol.com Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C02CB0.0F7EAC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C02CB0.0F7EAC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C02CB0.0F7EAC40-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 2 18: 2: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f84.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3C237B66C for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:02:06 -0700 Received: from 207.71.192.253 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 01:02:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.71.192.253] From: "Jason La" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Writing to a mounted partition Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 18:02:06 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 01:02:06.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CA93710:01C02CD5] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How do I write to an MSDOS mounted partition? I can't chmod it... een as root. Help? -- Jason La jasonla@pobox.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 3 7:17:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pmr.com (pmr.com [216.30.79.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278A637B66C; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fagan (fagan.pmr.com [10.1.0.22]) by pmr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA02147; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:17:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from sfagan@pmr.com) Message-ID: <004501c02d44$31110940$1600010a@pmr.com> From: "Steve Fagan" To: "David Johnson" , Cc: , References: <8525696C.007D1E43.00@Deimos.smed.com> <39D9140E.9A32F63E@acuson.com> Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:14:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here is a vendor who might advertise. Not that our UNIX boxes need the virus protection the NT/Winxx boxes need but FreeBSD does get listed on their site as a supported UNIX. www.sophos.com Platforms Solaris/SPARC Solaris/Intel Linux/Intel Linux/Alpha SCO OpenServer/Intel SCO UnixWare/Intel Digital Unix/Alpha (Compaq Tru64 Unix/Alpha) AIX/PowerPC FreeBSD/Intel HP-UX/HP-PA ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Johnson" To: Cc: ; Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 6:02 PM Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? > Joe.Warner@smed.com wrote: > > > I think it would be a good idea to pick up a few of > > the most popular magazines, take note of who some > > of their most prominent advertisers are and send > > them a polite message. > > Well, in the case of Linux Magazine, one of their more prominent > advertisers is BSDi and Walnut Creek :-) > > I'm thinking that there's enough BSD vendors to get adverts for a > magazine, though maybe not enough to get one for a magazine quite as > slick as Linux Magazine. Remember the early Linux Journals. It shouldn't > be a problem lining up advertisers like OSDN (Slashdot, Freshmeat), > Applix, BSDi, Sendmail Inc, Loki, O'Reilly. And if all the ballyhoo > about making money is more than just talk, contact Helix and AbiSource. > And since FreeBSD is still big for ISPs, what about those companies > servicing ISPs? > > David > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 3 7:34:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from viking.sophos.com (viking.sophos.com [194.203.134.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A0737B503; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jagannath.uk.sophos (jagannath.uk.sophos [10.1.200.3]) by viking.sophos.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A4B151D121; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:34:14 +0100 (BST) Received: by Jagannath.uk.sophos(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id 8025696D.00500FAD ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:34:28 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SOPHOS From: "Peter Cooper" To: "Steve Fagan" Cc: "David Johnson" , Joe.Warner@smed.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <8025696D.00500F66.00@Jagannath.uk.sophos> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:34:26 +0100 Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >www.sophos.com >FreeBSD/Intel Which is, interestingly, completely free for personal [read: non-commercial] use. And yes, I do work for them :) Best regards, Peter Cooper Sophos Anti-Virus Technical Support To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 3 7:45:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E95837B503 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id B771F6A903 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:45:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sv.Go2France.com [212.73.210.79] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.04) id A20A97370238; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:49:46 +0200 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001003164425.02f2c9f0@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: lconrad%Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:45:24 +0200 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? In-Reply-To: <8025696D.00500F66.00@Jagannath.uk.sophos> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 15:34 03/10/00 +0100, you wrote: > >www.sophos.com > >FreeBSD/Intel > >Which is, interestingly, completely free for personal [read: non-commercial] >use. > >And yes, I do work for them :) and quite reasonably priced for commercial use. Len http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com: ISC BIND 8.2.2 p5 installable binary for NT4 http://IMGate.MEIway.com: Build free, hi-perf, anti-spam mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 3 8:14: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f148.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4183737B66D for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:14:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:14:08 -0700 Received: from 208.7.67.84 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:14:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.7.67.84] Reply-To: blood_saint@hotmail.com From: "BLOOD ." To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:14:08 AST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 15:14:08.0106 (UTC) FILETIME=[93750CA0:01C02D4C] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 3 8:19: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2064837B502; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA67257; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:18:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:18:52 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: Peter Cooper Cc: Steve Fagan , David Johnson , Joe.Warner@smed.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? Message-ID: <20001003111852.A67241@blackhelicopters.org> References: <8025696D.00500F66.00@Jagannath.uk.sophos> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <8025696D.00500F66.00@Jagannath.uk.sophos>; from peter.cooper@sophos.com on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 03:34:26PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So, Peter, could you ask your PR person if they would be interested in advertising in a BSD magazine? On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 03:34:26PM +0100, Peter Cooper wrote: > > >www.sophos.com > >FreeBSD/Intel > > Which is, interestingly, completely free for personal [read: non-commercial] > use. > > And yes, I do work for them :) > > Best regards, > Peter Cooper > Sophos Anti-Virus Technical Support > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 3 8:25:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from viking.sophos.com (viking.sophos.com [194.203.134.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631EE37B503; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jagannath.uk.sophos (jagannath.uk.sophos [10.1.200.3]) by viking.sophos.com (Postfix) with SMTP id F27261D123; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:25:00 +0100 (BST) Received: by Jagannath.uk.sophos(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id 8025696D.0054B1D3 ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:25:05 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SOPHOS From: "Peter Cooper" To: Michael Lucas Cc: Steve Fagan , David Johnson , Joe.Warner@smed.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <8025696D.0054B05C.00@Jagannath.uk.sophos> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:24:59 +0100 Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >could you ask your PR person if they would be interested in >advertising in a BSD magazine? Initial impressions appear to be good -- who's the best person here to forward enquiries to ? ['Scuse my ignorance, I'm still catching up on postings] Thanks, Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 3 8:34:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84FA37B66C; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA67409; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:34:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:34:38 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: Peter Cooper Cc: Steve Fagan , David Johnson , Joe.Warner@smed.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? Message-ID: <20001003113438.A67389@blackhelicopters.org> References: <8025696D.0054B05C.00@Jagannath.uk.sophos> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <8025696D.0054B05C.00@Jagannath.uk.sophos>; from peter.cooper@sophos.com on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:24:59PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, Joe Warner seems to be spearheading this one. Congrats, Joe. :) On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:24:59PM +0100, Peter Cooper wrote: > > >could you ask your PR person if they would be interested in > >advertising in a BSD magazine? > > Initial impressions appear to be good -- who's the best person here to forward > enquiries to ? > ['Scuse my ignorance, I'm still catching up on postings] > > Thanks, > Peter > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 3 9:24: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3457B37B502; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E97F161B9; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA30060; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:23:52 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:22:13 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525696D.0059C300 ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:20:26 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: Michael Lucas Cc: David Johnson , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, "Peter Cooper "@smed.com Message-Id: <8525696D.0059C168.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:22:57 -0600 Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yeah...thanks. I was just about to volunteer but was in the middle of making a list of advertisers to contact. FYI - Just about all the products I've found advertised in this month's issue of Linux Journal and Linux Magazine, are ported to work with the BSDs. (At least, according to what they're advertising on their web sites) Joe |--------+------------------------------> | | Michael Lucas | | | | | | | | | 10/03/00 09:34 AM | | | | |--------+------------------------------> >---------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: Peter Cooper | | cc: Steve Fagan , David | | Johnson , Joe Warner/SMS@SMS,| | freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, | | freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG | | Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? | >---------------------------------------------------------| Well, Joe Warner seems to be spearheading this one. Congrats, Joe. :) On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:24:59PM +0100, Peter Cooper wrote: > > >could you ask your PR person if they would be interested in > >advertising in a BSD magazine? > > Initial impressions appear to be good -- who's the best person here to forward > enquiries to ? > ['Scuse my ignorance, I'm still catching up on postings] > > Thanks, > Peter > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 3 9:50:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC9E937B502; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2397616194; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01475; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:50:44 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:50:39 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525696D.005C5D6F ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:48:52 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: Michael Lucas , FreeBSD-Newbies@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-Advocacy@freebsd.org Message-Id: <8525696D.005C5B3F.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:51:19 -0600 Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I'd say, contact the publisher of your choice and tell them that you >have a list of people who would be interested in advertising in a BSD >magazine. Ok,..well, contacting LM and LJ aren't a problem but I've had a hard time finding contact addresses for some of the others like CMP. Either their contact listings are burried so far down or they just list a snail mail address or long distance phone number. Can anybody recommend any other publishers? Joe |--------+------------------------------> | | Michael Lucas | | | | | | | | | 10/03/00 10:36 AM | | | | |--------+------------------------------> >---------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: Peter Cooper | | cc: Joe Warner/SMS@SMS | | Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? | >---------------------------------------------------------| > >One question comes to mind, now. Suppose we find a whole slew > >of advertisers that would be interested in providing some > >advertisements for a BSD focused magazine. > >What's the next step? Contact Linux Magazine or Linux Journal and > >tell them? I'd say, contact the publisher of your choice and tell them that you have a list of people who would be interested in advertising in a BSD magazine. They need to be made aware that the advertising market exists. Remember, the vendor doesn't care. If they support BSD and Linux, they don't want to be involved in an X-is-better-than-Y flamewar. -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 3 12: 2:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E794437B502; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4395516185; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20787; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:02:14 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:01:59 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525696D.00686676 ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:00:19 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-Id: <8525696D.00686617.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:02:53 -0600 Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Listing) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, here's what I've come up with, so far. I encourage any/all to help spread the word to these advertisers. The more of them that are made "BSD" aware, the closer we will be to seeing a BSD magazine appear at your local news stand and book store. Thanks Joe BRU - http://www.bru.com/16.0.html Contact: sales@estinc.com Telenet System Solutions inc. - http://www.tesys.com Contact: sales@tesys.com, info@tesys.com, services@tesys.com Cyclades Corporation - http://www.cyclades.com/partners_a.html Contact: http://www.cyclades.com/contactus.html Arkeia - http://www.arkeia.com/platforms.html Contact: PR@arkeia.com Aspen Systems inc - http://www.aspsys.com Contact: sales@aspsys.com Amazon.com - http://www.amazon.com/ Contact: ? APC - http://www.apc.com Contact: http://answers.apcc.com/cgi-bin/apc/people Dell - http://www.dell.com/us/en/gen/default.htm Contact: http://www.dell.com/us/en/gen/contact.htm Dice.com - http://www.dice.com Contact: http://www.dice.com/help/contactus/supportmail.html Intrusion.com - http://www.intrusion.com/ Contact: info@intrusion.com, baustin@intrusion.com Kingston Technology - http://www.kingston.com/default.asp Contact: sales@kingston.com ThinkGeek - http://www.thinkgeek.com Contact: Willie : neo@thinkgeek.com Sys Admin - http://www.sysadminmag.com Contact: Greg Garrison - ggarrison@mfi.com Edwin Rothrock - erothrock@mfi.com O'Reilly - http://www.oreilly.com Contact: nuts@oreilly.com Exabyte - http://www.exabyte.com Contact: Karen Cryderman, Manager of PR, IR - karenc@exabyte.com VXA - http://www.vxa.com Contact: info@ecrix.com, Taylor Allis, Manager, Marketing Communications tallis@ecrix.com Metro Link Incorporated - http://www.metrolink.com Contact: Amy Zsak Marketing/Public Relations - amyz@metrolink.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 3 12:28:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from envy.geekhouse.net (envy.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C14937B503; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jim@localhost) by envy.geekhouse.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e93JSbE85592; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:28:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:28:37 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Joe.Warner@smed.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Listing) Message-ID: <20001003122837.A85524@envy.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@lust.geekhouse.net References: <8525696D.00686617.00@Deimos.smed.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <8525696D.00686617.00@Deimos.smed.com>; from Joe.Warner@smed.com on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 01:02:53PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 03 Oct 2000 at 13:02:53 -0600, Joe.Warner@smed.com wrote: > Well, here's what I've come up with, so far. > > I encourage any/all to help spread the word to these advertisers. > The more of them that are made "BSD" aware, the closer we will > be to seeing a BSD magazine appear at your local news stand > and book store. > > Thanks > > Joe > > BRU - http://www.bru.com/16.0.html > Contact: sales@estinc.com > > Telenet System Solutions inc. - http://www.tesys.com > Contact: sales@tesys.com, info@tesys.com, services@tesys.com Telenet is part of BSDi now. Contact info is as follows: WWW: http://www.bsdi.com/ Email: info@bsdi.com - jim -- jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 3 15: 4:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C47E37B66D; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23923; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:01:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAy_aGEU; Tue Oct 3 15:01:02 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA27846; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:03:57 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200010032203.PAA27846@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? To: sfagan@pmr.com (Steve Fagan) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 22:03:56 +0000 (GMT) Cc: djohnson@acuson.com (David Johnson), Joe.Warner@smed.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <004501c02d44$31110940$1600010a@pmr.com> from "Steve Fagan" at Oct 03, 2000 09:14:06 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Here is a vendor who might advertise. Not that our UNIX boxes need the > virus protection the NT/Winxx boxes need but FreeBSD does get listed on > their site as a supported UNIX. Norton Antivirus (Symantec) is apparently being ported to FreeBSD, at the behest of Yahoo. McAfee Antivirus already runs on FreeBSD; last I heard, it was being updated. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 3 23:17:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199AE37B502 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.com ([24.177.36.45]) by femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001004061742.PMMO6495.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:17:42 -0700 Message-ID: <39DACC3B.9BE6A610@home.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:20:43 -0700 From: loconet Organization: loconet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: World.sh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am makeing a script for newbies to help them upgrade there system it isnt really pretty it mostly just a script that i made in a cuple of hours but does the job and i was wundering if anyone could give it a try and then email me bug/info/ etc.. or if you whant to help me then email me saying so.. to dl goto : world-sh.sourceforge.net or www.sourceforge.net/projects/world-sh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 1:41:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f326.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE1A37B66C for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 01:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 01:41:50 -0700 Received: from 207.71.192.253 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:41:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.71.192.253] Reply-To: jasonla@pobox.com From: "Jason La" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Complete FreeBSD book Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 01:41:50 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2000 08:41:50.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[F04FB8C0:01C02DDE] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Complete FreeBSD once downloadable somewhere? I can only find the handbook, not the Complete FreBSD. Also, what happened to the Handbook in HTML format? -- Jason La jasonla@pobox.com "The end justifies the means." -- Niccolo Machiavelli _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 4:56:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6041737B503 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 04:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 52820 invoked by alias); 4 Oct 2000 11:56:15 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 52808 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2000 11:56:14 -0000 Received: from badialup81.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.225.236.81) by slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 11:56:14 -0000 Message-ID: <39DB19E3.2FEE85FF@uswest.net> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 05:52:03 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I sent out quite a few emails to advertisers last night and have already gotten some responses. Here's the first one from Intrusion.com: >Thanks for the information Joe. >Our company is developing security applications on the linux operating >system for a number of reasons at this time have no roadmap for any of >our products to support or work with BSD. >Intrusion.com and myself would not see any interest in receiving the >magazine nor adviterising in it. I got a better response from BSDi: >Joe, >Of course we would consider advertising in a BSD magazine. We already >advertise on Daemonnews.org, BSDtoday.com, as well as slashdot.org and >Linux-oriented magazines like Linux Systems Journal. >We would dearly love to see you initiate your magazine. >- Kevin Rose >Director, Corporate Marketing ...and I received the following from Arkeia.com and have already responded. I'm not sure if I was able to provide adequate answers to their questions but did my best. If anyone can come up with a good response to these, please respond and I will forward them: >Hi Joe, >Could you please give me more details about the readers you target, how many >magazines you want to print and in which areas you want to distribute your >magazine? Do you already have a dummy of your magazine you could show me? -- FreeBSD = The Power to Serve ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 5:47:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f79.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA0A37B66D for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 05:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 05:47:15 -0700 Received: from 208.7.67.84 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:47:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.7.67.84] Reply-To: blood_saint@hotmail.com From: "BLOOD ." To: FreeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:47:14 AST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2000 12:47:15.0072 (UTC) FILETIME=[38E48800:01C02E01] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe FreeBSD-newbies subscribe FreeBSD-questions _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 8:47:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40ECD37B66C for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 08:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by charlie.cns.iit.edu (SGI-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA71644; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:34:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:34:45 -0500 From: "Benjamin M. Manes" To: jasonla@pobox.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Complete FreeBSD book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Complete FreeBSD once downloadable > somewhere? I can only find the handbook, not the Complete FreBSD. Also, what > happened to the Handbook in HTML format? No, the Complete FreeBSD is paper-only, so your probably thinking of 'A Comprehensive Guide to FreeBSD' at http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ The handbook is still in html for at: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ Ben To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 9:52:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f260.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FB937B503 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:52:53 -0700 Received: from 207.71.230.51 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:52:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.71.230.51] Reply-To: jasonla@pobox.com From: "Jason La" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Samba Question Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:52:53 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2000 16:52:53.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[89E96000:01C02E23] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have tried to setup Samba and it's failing horribly. I had it working before without a hitch.... The config file is fine, I'm sure of it. I have the two lines in inetd.conf enabled so that Samba woul work... But I tried to connect to myself using: smbclient \\\\bluedaemon\\jasonla -U jasonla and it said something like it couldn't find the name... And so I tried: smbclient \\\\127.0.0.1\\jasonla -U jasonla Now, I'm getting errors from nmbd... and the computer starts creating a LOT of nmbd porcesses... The bufdaemon then complains about something. Help? -- Jason La jasonla@pobox.com "The end justifies the means." -- Niccolo Machiavelli _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 9:57:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D1637B503 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F1D1F328E; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:21:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA46328D; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:21:18 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:21:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: jasonla@pobox.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Samba Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please ask questions on -questions. That is what is for. Or since this is a samba problem, you may be better off asking on samba mailing lists. Rick On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Jason La wrote: > I have tried to setup Samba and it's failing horribly. I had it working > before without a hitch.... > > The config file is fine, I'm sure of it. I have the two lines in inetd.conf > enabled so that Samba woul work... But I tried to connect to myself using: > > smbclient \\\\bluedaemon\\jasonla -U jasonla > > and it said something like it couldn't find the name... And so I tried: > > smbclient \\\\127.0.0.1\\jasonla -U jasonla > > Now, I'm getting errors from nmbd... and the computer starts creating a LOT > of nmbd porcesses... The bufdaemon then complains about something. > > Help? > > -- Jason La > jasonla@pobox.com > > "The end justifies the means." > -- Niccolo Machiavelli > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 10: 7:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (sivka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADC037B503 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kozlik.carrier.kiev.ua (root@kozlik.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.111]) by sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (8/Kilkenny_is_better) with ESMTP id UCW16949 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:07:26 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from igor@greyk.kiev.ua) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by kozlik.carrier.kiev.ua with UUCP id UCT27441 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:07:08 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from igor@greyk.kiev.ua) Received: from greyk.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by kozlik.carrier.kiev.ua (rmail mypid=27440 childpid=27441) with UUCP; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:07:08 +0000 GMT Received: from greyk.kiev.ua (ntserver.greyk.kiev.ua [192.168.194.1]) by bsd.greyk.kiev.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19028 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:18:41 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from igor@greyk.kiev.ua) Message-ID: <39DB6643.4E2CCDF6@greyk.kiev.ua> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:17:55 +0200 From: Igor Khavin Reply-To: igorok@macrules.ru Organization: Grey Kyiv X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,uk,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies Subject: Mailing lists in Russian? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anybody know any good mailing lists, conferences etc. in Russian or located in former Soviet Union? I don't mean I can't use English but the closer the staff, the easier to get help. Best Wishes -- Igor Khavin IT Manager "Grey Kyiv" advertising agency phone: 380 44 2386073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 10:21: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658BF37B66C; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA74C7; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:23:54 -0700 Message-ID: <39DB6660.6F47090B@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:18:24 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Warner Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) References: <39DB19E3.2FEE85FF@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe Warner wrote: > >Could you please give me more details about the readers you target, how > many > >magazines you want to print and in which areas you want to distribute your > >magazine? Do you already have a dummy of your magazine you could show me? Are we already hitting a circular roadblock? Can't get a magazine until we get advertisers, and we can't get advertisers until we get a magazine... David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 10:28:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481C537B502; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA73512; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:28:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:28:01 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: David Johnson Cc: Joe Warner , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Message-ID: <20001004132801.A73485@blackhelicopters.org> References: <39DB19E3.2FEE85FF@uswest.net> <39DB6660.6F47090B@acuson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <39DB6660.6F47090B@acuson.com>; from djohnson@acuson.com on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 10:18:24AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Are we already hitting a circular roadblock? Can't get a magazine until > we get advertisers, and we can't get advertisers until we get a > magazine... Yep. Good luck. ;) Sorry, not to be sarcastic here... I've fought this battle before (although not for BSD), and it's a long one. I can't help but simultaneously feel sorry for you, and skeptical of the results. But I certainly hope for success, and BSD has to win this fight *some* day. FWIW, the second magazine will spring up on its own, inspired by the first. ==ml -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 10:36:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.mia.bellsouth.net (mail1.mia.bellsouth.net [205.152.144.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF2F37B66C; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from neurowin1 (adsl-61-37-119.mia.bellsouth.net [208.61.37.119]) by mail1.mia.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with SMTP id NAA01747; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000901c02e28$d79c7b20$0100a8c0@ehelpworld.com> From: "Neurosys" To: "Michael Lucas" Cc: , References: <39DB19E3.2FEE85FF@uswest.net> <39DB6660.6F47090B@acuson.com> <20001004132801.A73485@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:30:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Listen. In order to make this 'business'. you need capital to start it. Thats how you break the cycle. Neurosys ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lucas" To: "David Johnson" Cc: "Joe Warner" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 1:28 PM Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > Are we already hitting a circular roadblock? Can't get a magazine until > > we get advertisers, and we can't get advertisers until we get a > > magazine... > > Yep. Good luck. ;) > > Sorry, not to be sarcastic here... I've fought this battle before > (although not for BSD), and it's a long one. I can't help but > simultaneously feel sorry for you, and skeptical of the results. But > I certainly hope for success, and BSD has to win this fight *some* > day. > > FWIW, the second magazine will spring up on its own, inspired by the > first. > > ==ml > > -- > Michael Lucas > mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org > http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ > Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 10:43: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B118D37B502 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id NAA02806; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:42:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben_Calvert@amsinc.com Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525696E.0061207C ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:40:53 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: "Benjamin M. Manes" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, jasonla@pobox.com Message-ID: <8525696E.00611E56.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:39:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Complete FreeBSD book Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hmm.... have the book at home, and i could have sworn it had a list of urls to down load it from at the beginning .... will look it up tonight To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 10:43:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5D037B502; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA73687; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:43:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:43:34 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: Neurosys Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Message-ID: <20001004134334.A73671@blackhelicopters.org> References: <39DB19E3.2FEE85FF@uswest.net> <39DB6660.6F47090B@acuson.com> <20001004132801.A73485@blackhelicopters.org> <000901c02e28$d79c7b20$0100a8c0@ehelpworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <000901c02e28$d79c7b20$0100a8c0@ehelpworld.com>; from neurosys@bellsouth.net on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 01:30:48PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 01:30:48PM -0400, Neurosys wrote: > Listen. In order to make this 'business'. you need capital to start it. > Thats how you break the cycle. That would be far preferable. You have any? -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 10:46:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D8D37B502; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vnode.vmunix.com (Postfix, from userid 1005) id 53379E; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vnode.vmunix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C24B49A13; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:46:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Neurosys Cc: Michael Lucas , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) In-Reply-To: <000901c02e28$d79c7b20$0100a8c0@ehelpworld.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, if we can get these advertisers to start advertising on Daemon News, that would help us raise the capital to start a magazine. If advertisers see that putting banner ads on Daemon News helps sell their products, the will be more likely to advertise in a print magazine. Chris Coleman Daemon News http://www.daemonnews.org Bringing BSD together On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Neurosys wrote: > Listen. In order to make this 'business'. you need capital to start it. > Thats how you break the cycle. > > Neurosys > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Lucas" > To: "David Johnson" > Cc: "Joe Warner" ; ; > > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 1:28 PM > Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > > > > Are we already hitting a circular roadblock? Can't get a magazine until > > > we get advertisers, and we can't get advertisers until we get a > > > magazine... > > > > Yep. Good luck. ;) > > > > Sorry, not to be sarcastic here... I've fought this battle before > > (although not for BSD), and it's a long one. I can't help but > > simultaneously feel sorry for you, and skeptical of the results. But > > I certainly hope for success, and BSD has to win this fight *some* > > day. > > > > FWIW, the second magazine will spring up on its own, inspired by the > > first. > > > > ==ml > > > > -- > > Michael Lucas > > mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org > > http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ > > Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 10:48:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E38937B502; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vnode.vmunix.com (Postfix, from userid 1005) id C2F87E; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vnode.vmunix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF1549A13; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:48:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Michael Lucas Cc: Neurosys , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) In-Reply-To: <20001004134334.A73671@blackhelicopters.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 01:30:48PM -0400, Neurosys wrote: > > Listen. In order to make this 'business'. you need capital to start it. > > Thats how you break the cycle. > > That would be far preferable. You have any? > Do we have an idea of how much capital it takes to get one started? -Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 11:38: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8917B37B502; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA73975; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:37:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:37:54 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: Chris Coleman Cc: Neurosys , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Message-ID: <20001004143754.A73929@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20001004134334.A73671@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from chrisc@vmunix.com on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 01:48:49PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 01:48:49PM -0400, Chris Coleman wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 01:30:48PM -0400, Neurosys wrote: > > > Listen. In order to make this 'business'. you need capital to start it. > > > Thats how you break the cycle. > > > > That would be far preferable. You have any? > > > Do we have an idea of how much capital it takes to get one started? > > -Chris Four year old quote: black-and-white interior, 96 pages, perfect bound, color cover with pre-separated masters, 1000 copies, roughly $2500, plus another $1500/1000 copies thereafter. Keep in mind that the cost of paper has gone up since then, and that this rate requires pre-laid-out pages, and in today's market you *have* to have pro-looking pages or you'll die before you hit bookstore shelves. That's just the physical production cost. Tack on advertising, markup, etc. Then you have writers' and editors' salaries/fees etc. Do *not* underestimate the amount of time writing and editing a magazine takes! (I suspect Chris has a *real* good idea of this with his new position. ;) Volunteers will only carry you so far, after all. 96 pages is a lot of writing, too. After all, how many pages is the whole Handbook? ==ml -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 11:42:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4299D37B66D; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F5E161CE; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32061; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:42:12 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 14:41:40 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525696E.0066883D ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:39:55 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: Michael Lucas Cc: David Johnson , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, Joe Warner Message-Id: <8525696E.006687DF.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:42:29 -0600 Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yeah, well...it's better to try than to try not, right? 8^) Joe |--------+------------------------------> | | Michael Lucas | | | | | | | | | 10/04/00 11:28 AM | | | | |--------+------------------------------> >---------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: David Johnson | | cc: Joe Warner , | | freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, | | freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, (bcc: Joe | | Warner/SMS) | | Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser | | Responses) | >---------------------------------------------------------| > Are we already hitting a circular roadblock? Can't get a magazine until > we get advertisers, and we can't get advertisers until we get a > magazine... Yep. Good luck. ;) Sorry, not to be sarcastic here... I've fought this battle before (although not for BSD), and it's a long one. I can't help but simultaneously feel sorry for you, and skeptical of the results. But I certainly hope for success, and BSD has to win this fight *some* day. FWIW, the second magazine will spring up on its own, inspired by the first. ==ml -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 11:53:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C2337B503; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA74093; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:53:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:53:40 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: Joe.Warner@smed.com Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Message-ID: <20001004145340.A74067@blackhelicopters.org> References: <8525696E.006687DF.00@Deimos.smed.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <8525696E.006687DF.00@Deimos.smed.com>; from Joe.Warner@smed.com on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 12:42:29PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [cc's trimmed] Absolutely. Don't get me wrong... this is just as silly an idea as "Hey, let's make it a school project to replace all the AT&T-encumbered UNIX code with unencumbered and improved replacements!" It's crazy, but it just might work. :) (You know, I have more requests to write articles than I have time for. Why am I even trying to push this? I must have a head like a brick. No, never mind, please avoid the obvious round of comments on what my head *really* resembles.) On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 12:42:29PM -0600, Joe.Warner@smed.com wrote: > Yeah, well...it's better to try than to try not, right? 8^) > > Joe -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 11:55:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD6137B502; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7D016185; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01656; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:55:26 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 14:54:46 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525696E.0067BC34 ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:53:03 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: Chris Coleman Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, Michael Lucas , Neurosys Message-Id: <8525696E.0067BB6B.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:55:35 -0600 Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a very good idea and one I hadn't thought of yet. If I am contacted by an advertiser who would be interested in providing some banner ads on Daemon News, who should I direct them to? The number of positive/interested responses I have received thus far, outweigh the negative ones and even if we don't succeed at getting a BSD magazine published, we will still have succeeded at getting the word out about the BSDs and the BSD community. The more people who are made aware of the BSDs, the more chance and likelihood there will be for the appearance of a BSD magazine on the news stands in the future. Joe |--------+-----------------------> | | Chris Coleman| | | | | | | | | 10/04/00 | | | 11:46 AM | | | | |--------+-----------------------> >---------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: Neurosys | | cc: Michael Lucas | | , | | freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, | | freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, (bcc: Joe | | Warner/SMS) | | Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser | | Responses) | >---------------------------------------------------------| Well, if we can get these advertisers to start advertising on Daemon News, that would help us raise the capital to start a magazine. If advertisers see that putting banner ads on Daemon News helps sell their products, the will be more likely to advertise in a print magazine. Chris Coleman Daemon News http://www.daemonnews.org Bringing BSD together On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Neurosys wrote: > Listen. In order to make this 'business'. you need capital to start it. > Thats how you break the cycle. > > Neurosys > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Lucas" > To: "David Johnson" > Cc: "Joe Warner" ; ; > > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 1:28 PM > Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > > > > Are we already hitting a circular roadblock? Can't get a magazine until > > > we get advertisers, and we can't get advertisers until we get a > > > magazine... > > > > Yep. Good luck. ;) > > > > Sorry, not to be sarcastic here... I've fought this battle before > > (although not for BSD), and it's a long one. I can't help but > > simultaneously feel sorry for you, and skeptical of the results. But > > I certainly hope for success, and BSD has to win this fight *some* > > day. > > > > FWIW, the second magazine will spring up on its own, inspired by the > > first. > > > > ==ml > > > > -- > > Michael Lucas > > mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org > > http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ > > Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 12: 7:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D69637B670 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smui2.atl.mindspring.net (smui2.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.123]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18545 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:07:31 -0400 (EDT) From: mflan@mindspring.com Received: by smui2.atl.mindspring.net id PAA0000031377; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:07:31 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Problems with TCPDUMP Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 24.31.120.73 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am trying to get TCPDUMP to work properly. It is already installed on my system but will not run. When I try to change to the directorys where it is located it doesnt seem to have an exacutable it will just have another directory with a make or config file. Thanks in advance, Mike F. bash$ tcpdump -i ep0 bash: tcpdump: command not found bash$ bash$ whereis tcpdump tcpdump: /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump /usr/src/contrib/tcpdump bash$ bash$ cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump bash$ ls Makefile Makefile.inc tcpdump tcpslice bash$ cd tcpdump bash$ ls Makefile config.h bash$ bash$ cd /usr/src/contrib/tcpdump bash$ ls CHANGES gmt2local.h ppp.h print-ip6opts.c print-smb.c FILES igrp.h print-ah.c print-ipcomp.c print-snmp.c FREEBSD-upgrade install-sh print-arp.c print-ipx.c print-sunrpc.c INSTALL interface.h print-ascii.c print-isakmp.c print-tcp.c Makefile.in ipsec_doi.h print-atalk.c print-isoclns.c print-telnet.c README ipx.h print-atm.c print-krb.c print-tftp.c VERSION isakmp.h print-bgp.c print-l2tp.c print-token.c acconfig.h l2tp.h print-bootp.c print-lane.c print-udp.c addrtoname.c lane.h print-chdlc.c print-lcp.c print-vjc.c addrtoname.h lbl print-cip.c print-llc.c print-wb.c appletalk.h llc.h print-decnet.c print-mobile.c route6d.h atime.awk machdep.c print-dhcp6.c print-netbios.c rx.h bootp.h machdep.h print-domain.c print-nfs.c savestr.c bpf_dump.c makemib print-dvmrp.c print-ntp.c savestr.h config.guess mib.h print-egp.c print-null.c send-ack.awk config.h.in missing print-esp.c print-ospf.c setsignal.c config.sub mkdep print-ether.c print-ospf6.c setsignal.h configure netbios.h print-fddi.c print-pim.c smb.h configure.in nfs.h print-fr.c print-ppp.c smbutil.c decnet.h nfsfh.h print-frag6.c print-pppoe.c stime.awk dhcp6.h ntp.h print-gre.c print-raw.c strcasecmp.c dhcp6opt.h oakley.h print-icmp.c print-rip.c tcpdump.1 ethertype.h ospf.h print-icmp6.c print-ripng.c tcpdump.c extract.h ospf6.h print-igrp.c print-rt6.c token.h fddi.h packetdat.awk print-ip.c print-rx.c util.c gmt2local.c parsenfsfh.c print-ip6.c print-sl.c vfprintf.c bash$ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 12: 8:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pmr.com (pmr.com [216.30.79.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A9F937B503; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fagan (fagan.pmr.com [10.1.0.22]) by pmr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA27199; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:07:52 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from sfagan@pmr.com) Message-ID: <02d401c02e35$e17a31c0$1600010a@pmr.com> From: "Steve Fagan" To: , "Chris Coleman" Cc: , , "Michael Lucas" , "Neurosys" References: <8525696E.0067BB6B.00@Deimos.smed.com> Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:04:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Books like these should help get the word out better too. Metro X for Linux & FreeBSD Hardcover, Metro Link, Incorporated, January 2000 ISBN: 0967017211 Freebsd for Dummies Hardcover, 384 Pages, I D G Books Worldwide, October 2000 ISBN: 0764507702 Author: Anderson ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Chris Coleman" Cc: ; ; "Michael Lucas" ; "Neurosys" Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 1:55 PM Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > > This is a very good idea and one I hadn't thought of yet. > > If I am contacted by an advertiser who would be interested in > providing some banner ads on Daemon News, who should > I direct them to? > > The number of positive/interested responses I have received > thus far, outweigh the negative ones and even if we don't succeed > at getting a BSD magazine published, we will still have succeeded at > getting the word out about the BSDs and the BSD community. The > more people who are made aware of the BSDs, the more chance > and likelihood there will be for the appearance of a BSD magazine > on the news stands in the future. > > Joe > > > > |--------+-----------------------> > | | Chris Coleman| > | | | | x.com> | > | | | > | | 10/04/00 | > | | 11:46 AM | > | | | > |--------+-----------------------> > >---------------------------------------------------------| > | | > | To: Neurosys | > | cc: Michael Lucas | > | , | > | freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, | > | freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, (bcc: Joe | > | Warner/SMS) | > | Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser | > | Responses) | > >---------------------------------------------------------| > > > > > > Well, if we can get these advertisers to start advertising on Daemon News, > that would help us raise the capital to start a magazine. > > If advertisers see that putting banner ads on Daemon News helps sell their > products, the will be more likely to advertise in a print magazine. > > Chris Coleman > Daemon News > http://www.daemonnews.org > Bringing BSD together > > On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Neurosys wrote: > > > Listen. In order to make this 'business'. you need capital to start it. > > Thats how you break the cycle. > > > > Neurosys > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Lucas" > > To: "David Johnson" > > Cc: "Joe Warner" ; ; > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 1:28 PM > > Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > > > > > > > Are we already hitting a circular roadblock? Can't get a magazine > until > > > > we get advertisers, and we can't get advertisers until we get a > > > > magazine... > > > > > > Yep. Good luck. ;) > > > > > > Sorry, not to be sarcastic here... I've fought this battle before > > > (although not for BSD), and it's a long one. I can't help but > > > simultaneously feel sorry for you, and skeptical of the results. But > > > I certainly hope for success, and BSD has to win this fight *some* > > > day. > > > > > > FWIW, the second magazine will spring up on its own, inspired by the > > > first. > > > > > > ==ml > > > > > > -- > > > Michael Lucas > > > mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org > > > http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ > > > Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 12:31:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB1737B503 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smui3.eng00.mindspring.net (smui3.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.200.50]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14789 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:31:43 -0400 (EDT) From: mflan@mindspring.com Received: by smui3.eng00.mindspring.net id PAA0000030859; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:31:39 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Natd not working properly. Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 24.31.120.73 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am trying to get natd working properly I have BSD with 2 Nic cards a cable modem going into one and the other going to a hub. I also have a windows box going into the hub. The windows box gets an IP 169.254.158.147 but does not get a gateway. When pinging the IP for the freebsd nic going into my hub 192.168.0.1 it gets the error destination host unreachable. It also gets the same error when trying to ping the IP asigned from my cable modem. From the FreeBSD box when trying to ping the IP to the Windows box it gives destination host unreachable but also says source and shows the IP asigned from my cable modem. Below I am putting the relevant configuration info from my kernel, rc.conf, natd.conf, and etc/services. Also the cabling and nic cards work correctly cause with the same cable and nics I am able to set this up on a windows network. Thanks in advance, Mike F. 1. Kernel info keeping it default to accept for now to rule out a firewall problem. options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT #firewall options IPDIVERT #divert sockets options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE #print information about #options "IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=100" #limit verbosity options TCP_DROP_SYNFIN #drop TCP packets with SYN+FIN options TCP_RESTRICT_RST #restrict emission of TCP RST 2.natd.conf dynamic yes use_sockets yes same_ports yes 3. /etc/services natd 8668/divert # Network Address Translation 4.IPFW rules bash# ipfw list 00100 allow ip from any to any via lo0 00200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8 65000 allow ip from any to any 65535 deny ip from any to any bash# To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 12:38:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.scana.com (falcon.scana.com [161.156.101.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4F837B503; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by falcon.scana.com; id PAA18783; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailexnet.scana.com(161.156.250.64) by falcon.scana.com via smap (V5.5) id xma018739; Wed, 4 Oct 00 15:38:00 -0400 Received: from msg16.scana.com [161.156.250.64] by msg16.scana.com [161.156.250.64] (CMSPraetor 4.1.3395) with ESMTP id 7DECB3EE9A0911D4A95400508BC21853 for plus 1 more; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:37:38 -0400 Received: by mailexnet.scana.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <42GTZXNG>; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:37:38 -0400 From: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" , "'freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org'" Message-ID: Subject: RE: BSD Magazine (Potential Advertisers) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:37:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You may want to try Borland/Inprise as a potential advertiser. They have the #1 Java IDE and are coming out with a C++/Object Pascal RAD Tool for Linux. Currently they are only testing it on Linux, but as a developer, I would be more interested in developing in a more stable environment like FBSD. Most windows developers take this approach and work in win2K instead of win98. All of this assumes that their products run in Linux emulation mode. ...Michael... If this email was sent to you by mistake or if you are not an intended recipient, please delete it, destroy any hard copies, including attachments, and notify me by return email. The unauthorized use, distribution or reproduction of this email is prohibited and may be unlawful. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 12:49:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3104837B66C; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA5382; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:52:12 -0700 Message-ID: <39DB891F.4B09AB1A@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:46:39 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" , "'freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Potential Advertisers) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "SILVER, MICHAEL A" wrote: > > You may want to try Borland/Inprise as a potential advertiser. They have > the #1 Java IDE and are coming out with a C++/Object Pascal RAD Tool for > Linux. Speaking of Kylix, this just reminded me. The Kylix interface will be Qt, and so will Opera's. I recall in a interview somewhere that Opera is going to be ported to FreeBSD (and every other Unix) shortly after the official release of the Linux version because "all we have to do is recompile". Someone should contact Opera, as well as Trolltech. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 13: 1:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE93937B502; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e94K1eX93109; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:01:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: "Steve Fagan" Cc: Joe.Warner@smed.com, "Chris Coleman" , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, "Michael Lucas" , "Neurosys" Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) In-Reply-To: Message from "Steve Fagan" of "Wed, 04 Oct 2000 14:04:11 CDT." <02d401c02e35$e17a31c0$1600010a@pmr.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:01:40 -0700 Message-ID: <93106.970689700@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Freebsd for Dummies > Hardcover, 384 Pages, I D G Books Worldwide, October 2000 > ISBN: 0764507702 Is this actually for sale? I sure hope so since the last I'd heard of it, it had gotten cancelled! :( Where did you see this, if I may ask? - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 13:25:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pmr.com (pmr.com [216.30.79.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560AB37B502; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fagan (fagan.pmr.com [10.1.0.22]) by pmr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA28267; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:25:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from sfagan@pmr.com) Message-ID: <030e01c02e40$c55c0260$1600010a@pmr.com> From: "Steve Fagan" To: "Steve Fagan" , "Jordan Hubbard" Cc: , "Chris Coleman" , , , "Michael Lucas" , "Neurosys" References: <93106.970689700@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:22:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Looked it up on borders. www.borders.com I hope it is still going to be published. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jordan Hubbard" To: "Steve Fagan" Cc: ; "Chris Coleman" ; ; ; "Michael Lucas" ; "Neurosys" Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 3:01 PM Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > Freebsd for Dummies > > Hardcover, 384 Pages, I D G Books Worldwide, October 2000 > > ISBN: 0764507702 > > Is this actually for sale? I sure hope so since the last I'd heard of > it, it had gotten cancelled! :( Where did you see this, if I may ask? > > - Jordan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 13:44:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1EAD537B66E for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28606 invoked by alias); 4 Oct 2000 20:44:11 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.org@fixme Received: (qmail 28577 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2000 20:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.105.241) by slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 4 Oct 2000 20:44:09 -0000 Message-ID: <39DB959F.C058C258@uswest.net> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 14:39:59 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD-Advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Response Update) References: <93106.970689700@winston.osd.bsdi.com> <030e01c02e40$c55c0260$1600010a@pmr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok---> | home now I didn't receive as many responses today as I had hoped for but I guess, the day isn't over yet. Here is a response I got from Edwin Rothrock at Sys Admin magazine: >Joe, >As Publisher for Sys Admin magazine, I am quite familiar with BSD - have been >for a long time. As you may already know, Sys Admin is dedicated to providing >usable technical information to UNIX sys admins to use in their everyday work. >Sys Admin is version agnostic, so it will not be converting to a BSD exclusive >magazine, but regular articles on the administration of BSD have been part of >the editorial mix, and plans are to continue to expand that coverage (check out >the Freenix issue - January 2001). And I agree with your observation about >multiple version support - many of Sys Admin's advertisers support BSD as well >as other flavors. >I would be interested in seeing the results of your current research on >advertisers. >Edwin Rothrock >Publisher - Sys Admin Magazine >CMP Media, Inc. In my first email to him, I didn't ask if he could help with publishing a BSD focused magazine, I asked if he would be willing to provide advertising. I had Sys Admin in my list of potential contacts because I noticed an advertisement from them in this month's issue of Linux Journal. I relayed all of this in my last response to him and also asked if he/Sys Admin would be interested in providing a banner ad to be placed on Daemon News. I'm still awaiting his next response. Future updates will continue as I receive new information and thanks to those of you who have provided help and input this far. Joe Steve Fagan wrote: > Looked it up on borders. > > www.borders.com > > I hope it is still going to be published. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jordan Hubbard" > To: "Steve Fagan" > Cc: ; "Chris Coleman" ; > ; ; "Michael > Lucas" ; "Neurosys" > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 3:01 PM > Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > > > Freebsd for Dummies > > > Hardcover, 384 Pages, I D G Books Worldwide, October 2000 > > > ISBN: 0764507702 > > > > Is this actually for sale? I sure hope so since the last I'd heard of > > it, it had gotten cancelled! :( Where did you see this, if I may ask? > > > > - Jordan > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- FreeBSD = The Power to Serve ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 14: 9:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.rdc1.il.home.com (mail2.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF2C37B503; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c497595a ([24.5.226.113]) by mail2.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001004210941.BPEF29897.mail2.rdc1.il.home.com@c497595a>; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:09:41 -0700 Message-ID: <002a01c02e47$8c504380$71e20518@hlndpk1.il.home.com> From: "Ambrose, Christian" To: , Subject: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:10:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >magazine? Do you already have a dummy of your magazine you could show me? Interestring question, what do we have, what would we want to have? I think that we sould try to avoid covering what Daemonnews are O'Reilly, whould may end up meaning less newbie oriented. Is having a newbie orinted magizine a plus or minus? If we do focus on newbies, is it Windows newbies or Linux newbies. Also, we would want to distrubute CDs with each issue (al la Maximum Linux). And what would we put on the CD(s)? Personily, I think that it would be cool to have snapshots of the -CURRENT release of FreeBSD and what ever is equivable(sp?) for the others. Also, maybe source code on a second disk (if the shapshots do not take up all the space.) Christian Please excuse any spelling and grammatical mistakes, and also the over use of 'we' . -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.12 GU d- s+: a? C++++ BLU++>U++++ P+ L++ E W++ N+ o K- w O? M V?>V PS+++ PE Y+>Y++ PGP++ t+>t+++ 5 X+ R+ tv b++>b++++ DI+ D+ G>G++ e- h! !r !Z ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 14:27:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5231E37B502; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02635; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:27:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAgAaagf; Wed Oct 4 14:27:46 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA02572; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:27:23 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200010042127.OAA02572@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) To: djohnson@acuson.com (David Johnson) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:27:23 +0000 (GMT) Cc: jswarner@uswest.net (Joe Warner), freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <39DB6660.6F47090B@acuson.com> from "David Johnson" at Oct 04, 2000 10:18:24 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > >Could you please give me more details about the readers you target, how > > many > > >magazines you want to print and in which areas you want to distribute your > > >magazine? Do you already have a dummy of your magazine you could show me? > > Are we already hitting a circular roadblock? Can't get a magazine until > we get advertisers, and we can't get advertisers until we get a > magazine... So _build_ a magazine instead of "get"ting it. You can't _build_ advertisers (you could maybe build "advertiser" -- singular). Anyone can publish anything they are willing to publish; it looks like the FreeBSD Really Quick Newsletter might be going this route: online publication, with people who like paper and maintaing their own immutable archives paying a premium to have it sent to them. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 14:31:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from relay4.san.cerf.net (relay4.san.cerf.net [192.215.81.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721E937B502; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from penguin (host6.goalie-usa.com [12.17.221.245]) by relay4.san.cerf.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA09899; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:30:07 GMT Message-ID: <001501c02e4a$b42bc980$2c0100c0@goalieusa.com> From: "Larry Wells" To: "Ambrose, Christian" , , References: <002a01c02e47$8c504380$71e20518@hlndpk1.il.home.com> Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:33:11 -0600 Organization: Goalie Entertainment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I, for one, would be a lot less interested in a magazine that catered exclusively to newbies. That's what books like the Complete FreeBSD book are for. (Not to mention many websites. FreeBSDDiary, Daemon News, etc..) I can see a column or article being focused on newcomers, but having a BSD magazine solely catering to that demographic would be demeaning to those of us who have been advocates for years. That being said, I would probably buy it anyway. Larry - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ambrose, Christian" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 3:10 PM Subject: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > >magazine? Do you already have a dummy of your magazine you could > >show me? > > Interestring question, what do we have, what would we want to > have? I think that we sould try to avoid covering what Daemonnews > are O'Reilly, whould may end up meaning less newbie oriented. Is > having a newbie orinted magizine a plus or minus? If we do focus > on newbies, is it Windows newbies or Linux newbies. > Also, we would want to distrubute CDs with each issue (al la > Maximum Linux). And what would we put on the CD(s)? Personily, I > think that it would be cool to have snapshots of the -CURRENT > release of FreeBSD and what ever is equivable(sp?) for the others. > Also, maybe source code on a second disk (if the shapshots do not > take up all the space.) > > Christian > > Please excuse any spelling and grammatical mistakes, and also the > over use of 'we' . > > > > -- > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version 3.12 > GU d- s+: a? C++++ BLU++>U++++ P+ L++ E W++ N+ o K- w O? M V?>V > PS+++ PE Y+>Y++ PGP++ t+>t+++ 5 X+ R+ tv b++>b++++ DI+ D+ G>G++ e- > h! !r !Z > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBOduiFROu6ZSB8kcSEQKT0ACeLqyVWoSYINuc4jWCHEX75fhp2PAAn1/7 rCap1Ebs9bUKYsznw8AU8S1V =2jZF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 14:33:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD65237B66C; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05062; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:34:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpdAAA7HaySj; Wed Oct 4 14:33:51 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA02773; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:33:27 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200010042133.OAA02773@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) To: jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com (Jordan Hubbard) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:33:27 +0000 (GMT) Cc: sfagan@pmr.com (Steve Fagan), Joe.Warner@smed.com, chrisc@vmunix.com (Chris Coleman), freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org (Michael Lucas), neurosys@bellsouth.net (Neurosys) In-Reply-To: <93106.970689700@winston.osd.bsdi.com> from "Jordan Hubbard" at Oct 04, 2000 01:01:40 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Freebsd for Dummies > > Hardcover, 384 Pages, I D G Books Worldwide, October 2000 > > ISBN: 0764507702 > > Is this actually for sale? I sure hope so since the last I'd heard of > it, it had gotten cancelled! :( Where did you see this, if I may ask? Why not just contact Annelise Anderson and ask her? If nothing else, she can be reached through the Hovver Institute. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 14:42:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5392B37B66C; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.41.153]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA1AB3; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:45:08 -0700 Message-ID: <39DBA39A.9D765A6A@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 14:39:38 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Wells Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) References: <002a01c02e47$8c504380$71e20518@hlndpk1.il.home.com> <001501c02e4a$b42bc980$2c0100c0@goalieusa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Larry Wells wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I, for one, would be a lot less interested in a magazine that catered > exclusively to newbies. That's what books like the Complete FreeBSD > book are for. (Not to mention many websites. FreeBSDDiary, Daemon > News, etc..) I can see a column or article being focused on > newcomers, but having a BSD magazine solely catering to that > demographic would be demeaning to those of us who have been advocates > for years. It would be best if it catered to all BSD users, not just newbies. A regular column for newbies is a must, but beyond that it should be general. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 14:45:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.scana.com (falcon.scana.com [161.156.101.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1275B37B503 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by falcon.scana.com; id RAA05930; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailexnet.scana.com(161.156.250.64) by falcon.scana.com via smap (V5.5) id xma005905; Wed, 4 Oct 00 17:45:06 -0400 Received: from msg16.scana.com [161.156.250.64] by msg16.scana.com [161.156.250.64] (CMSPraetor 4.1.3395) with ESMTP id 7DECB9679A0911D4A95400508BC21853 for plus 1 more; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:44:57 -0400 Received: by mailexnet.scana.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <42GTZYZ9>; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:44:57 -0400 From: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" To: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Cc: "'Larry Wells'" Message-ID: Subject: RE: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:44:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As for a Newbie's opinion, I agree. Don't cater to Newbies. While I would like to see some articles directed to us, I would also like advanced topics allowing me to expand my horizon. After all, I don't plan on being a Newbie forever. 8) ...Michael... > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Larry Wells > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 5:33 PM > To: Ambrose, Christian; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; > freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I, for one, would be a lot less interested in a magazine that catered > exclusively to newbies. That's what books like the Complete FreeBSD > book are for. (Not to mention many websites. FreeBSDDiary, Daemon > News, etc..) I can see a column or article being focused on > newcomers, but having a BSD magazine solely catering to that > demographic would be demeaning to those of us who have been advocates > for years. > > That being said, I would probably buy it anyway. > > Larry > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ambrose, Christian" > To: ; > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 3:10 PM > Subject: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > > > > > >magazine? Do you already have a dummy of your magazine you could > > >show me? > > > > Interestring question, what do we have, what would we want to > > have? I think that we sould try to avoid covering what Daemonnews > > are O'Reilly, whould may end up meaning less newbie oriented. Is > > having a newbie orinted magizine a plus or minus? If we do focus > > on newbies, is it Windows newbies or Linux newbies. > > Also, we would want to distrubute CDs with each issue (al la > > Maximum Linux). And what would we put on the CD(s)? Personily, I > > think that it would be cool to have snapshots of the -CURRENT > > release of FreeBSD and what ever is equivable(sp?) for the others. > > Also, maybe source code on a second disk (if the shapshots do not > > take up all the space.) > > > > Christian > > > > Please excuse any spelling and grammatical mistakes, and also the > > over use of 'we' . > > > > > > > > -- > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > > Version 3.12 > > GU d- s+: a? C++++ BLU++>U++++ P+ L++ E W++ N+ o K- w O? 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 14:50:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C8A37B66C; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11181; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:50:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAzeaOWv; Wed Oct 4 14:50:53 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA03151; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:50:31 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200010042150.OAA03151@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) To: lwells@goalie-usa.com (Larry Wells) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:50:31 +0000 (GMT) Cc: caa85@home.com (Ambrose Christian), freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <001501c02e4a$b42bc980$2c0100c0@goalieusa.com> from "Larry Wells" at Oct 04, 2000 03:33:11 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I, for one, would be a lot less interested in a magazine that catered > exclusively to newbies. A "dummy magazine" is a "mockup of the magazine", not a magazine for dummies. 8-) Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 14:50:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE50237B503; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA48439; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:49:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:49:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Taylor To: Larry Wells Cc: "Ambrose, Christian" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) In-Reply-To: <001501c02e4a$b42bc980$2c0100c0@goalieusa.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I've stayed out of this until now but... (\me putting on Editor in Chief of DN Monthly hat) On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Larry Wells wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > I, for one, would be a lot less interested in a magazine that catered > exclusively to newbies. That's what books like the Complete FreeBSD > book are for. (Not to mention many websites. FreeBSDDiary, Daemon > News, etc..) While DN does cover some newbies articles, we have been trying to have at least one serious "Blueprints" article each month, detailing an advanced topic. In the last few months we've had: Dynamic Kernel Linker (KLD) Facility Programming Tutorial [Intro] An In-depth Study of NetBSD Bootstrapping and a Few Speedy Enhancements Writing an ISA device driver How to Write Kernel Drivers with NewBus And these are just the Blueprints articles - we've had more "non-newbie" articles as well. However we can only publish what we get. We've tried before to solicit articles on more advanced topics and ... frankly it's not been easy. I agree that a print magazine would be great but I don't want a rehashed version of the handbook for *BSD. Cripes, I'm not a programmer (okay, I do some, but the last serious thing I programmed was for my thesis and it was in Fortran), but I don't need to see lots of basic "how-to" articles. A few are good, but not a whole magazine worth. That said, and as Chris has mentioned, we at DN _are_ trying to figure out a way to go print. We tried this once before and things sort of fell through - try try again. But if someone else can do it, get to it. Don't sit on your butts waiting for us! (or on the other hand, get your butt over to us and HELP us) :-) (\me taking off EiC hat and back to work) Brett ***************************************************** Dr. Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 15:32:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pmr.com (pmr.com [216.30.79.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB4937B502; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fagan (fagan.pmr.com [10.1.0.22]) by pmr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA30167; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:32:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from sfagan@pmr.com) Message-ID: <005401c02e52$75ba1820$1600010a@pmr.com> From: "Steve Fagan" To: "Jordan Hubbard" Cc: , "Chris Coleman" , , , "Michael Lucas" , "Neurosys" References: <93106.970689700@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:28:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Barnes and Noble even has a date for it to ship. Freebsd for Dummies with Cdrom Annelise Anderson Our Price: $19.99 Retail Price: $24.99 You Save: $5.00 (20%) This book will be available October 8th, place your advance order now and we will ship it when it arrives! Format: Paperback, 384pp. ISBN: 0764507702 Publisher: IDG Books Worldwide Pub. Date: October 2000 sales rank: 460,225 Also found: Freebsd Corporate Network Guide Mittelstae Our Price: $45.95 This book will be available in December, place your advance order now and we will ship it when it arrives! Format: Paperback ISBN: 0201704811 Pub. Date: December 2000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jordan Hubbard" To: "Steve Fagan" Cc: ; "Chris Coleman" ; ; ; "Michael Lucas" ; "Neurosys" Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 3:01 PM Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > Freebsd for Dummies > > Hardcover, 384 Pages, I D G Books Worldwide, October 2000 > > ISBN: 0764507702 > > Is this actually for sale? I sure hope so since the last I'd heard of > it, it had gotten cancelled! :( Where did you see this, if I may ask? > > - Jordan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 16: 9:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (athserv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645B937B502 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-b016.otenet.gr [195.167.121.144]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e94N7ad27706; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 02:07:37 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e94N84D35871; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 02:08:04 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 02:08:04 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: mflan@mindspring.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with TCPDUMP Message-ID: <20001005020803.C35165@hades.hell.gr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from mflan@mindspring.com on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 03:07:31PM -0400 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3A 75 52 EB F1 58 56 0D - C5 B8 21 B6 1B 5E 4A C2 X-URL: http://students.ceid.upatras.gr/~keramida/index.html Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 03:07:31PM -0400, mflan@mindspring.com wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to get TCPDUMP to work properly. It is already installed > on my system but will not run. When I try to change to the directorys > where it is located it doesnt seem to have an exacutable it will just have another directory with a make or config file. > > bash$ tcpdump -i ep0 > bash: tcpdump: command not found > bash$ This means that a tcpdump executable does not exist anywhere in your search path. In my 4-stable installation at home I can see: hades% which tcpdump /usr/sbin/tcpdump > bash$ whereis tcpdump > tcpdump: /usr/src/usr.sbin/tcpdump /usr/src/contrib/tcpdump > bash$ Ok, you have the sources :-) If you haven't done this already, you really ought to buildworld and installworld afterwards. You'll get bitten by incompatibilities in kernel and userland code sooner or later. Especially later, i.e. after you compile and install a custom kernel. This should get you a working version of tcpdump in /usr/sbin too, among other useful things. If you don't know how to recompile your `world', the handbook contains detailed instructions, but it should be as easy as doing: # cd /usr/src # make buildkernel KERNEL=GENERIC # make installkernel KERNEL=GENERIC [ reboot with kernel.GENERIC here ] # cd /usr/src # make buildworld [ boot into single user mode ] # mount -u -a # cd /usr/src # make installworld [ optionally reboot here, or simply exit from single-user mode ] If you only want to build tcpdump, you can probably get away with: # cd /usr/src/usr.bin/tcpdump # make all # make install But I cannot guarrantee that this will work as expected. Oh, and post questions to freebsd-questions from now on :-) -- Giorgos Keramidas, < keramida @ ceid . upatras . gr > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 16:58:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD8137B66E; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from owp.csus.edu (oxqvcp@[130.86.77.19]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA77846; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:57:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Message-ID: <39DBC2C1.5F865B8E@owp.csus.edu> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:52:33 -0700 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Fagan Cc: Jordan Hubbard , Joe.Warner@smed.com, Chris Coleman , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, Michael Lucas , Neurosys Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) References: <93106.970689700@winston.osd.bsdi.com> <005401c02e52$75ba1820$1600010a@pmr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steve Fagan wrote: > > Barnes and Noble even has a date for it to ship. > > Freebsd for Dummies with Cdrom > Annelise Anderson > > Our Price: $19.99 > Retail Price: $24.99 > You Save: $5.00 (20%) > This book will be available October 8th, place your advance order now and we > will ship it when it arrives! > Format: Paperback, 384pp. > ISBN: 0764507702 > Publisher: IDG Books Worldwide > Pub. Date: October 2000 > sales rank: 460,225 > > Also found: > > Freebsd Corporate Network Guide > Mittelstae > > Our Price: $45.95 > This book will be available in December, place your advance order now and we > will ship it when it arrives! > Format: Paperback > ISBN: 0201704811 > Pub. Date: December 2000 A quick search for "freebsd" turned up the following at Amazon (under On Order/Not Yet Published) : --- FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide, The by Edward Mittelstaedt, Ted Mittelstaedt. Paperback (December 15, 2000) Our Price:$45.95 Freebsd for Dummies by Annelise Anderson. Paperback (October 2000) Our Price:$19.99 Sams Teach Yourself Freebsd in 21 Days by Michael Urban. Paperback (October 2000) Our Price:$31.99 --- I was under the impression that work had stopped on all/most of these, but I'd be happy to be wrong in this case. As I continued down the page I came across the "Out Of Print" section for my search, that included : --- Installing and Running Freebsd Powering Small Business With Freebsd (Sams White Book Series) by Robert Watson --- What happened to these two books? -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu The Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 19: 9:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE9237B66D; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 58D0C328E; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:33:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43281328D; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:33:37 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:33:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: Joseph Scott Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) In-Reply-To: <39DBC2C1.5F865B8E@owp.csus.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Also found: > > > > Freebsd Corporate Network Guide > > Mittelstae > I was under the impression that work had stopped on all/most of > these, but I'd be happy to be wrong in this case. This one is coming out, I know for a fact. I was a proof reader on it and it's been through final edit back in August or so. :) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 4 19:28:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3AC37B503 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) id e952SBW12259; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:58:11 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:58:11 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Ben_Calvert@amsinc.com Cc: "Benjamin M. Manes" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, jasonla@pobox.com Subject: Re: Complete FreeBSD book Message-ID: <20001005115811.A12234@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <8525696E.00611E56.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <8525696E.00611E56.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com>; from Ben_Calvert@amsinc.com on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 10:39:35AM -0700 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 4 October 2000 at 10:39:35 -0700, Ben_Calvert@amsinc.com wrote: > hmm.... have the book at home, and i could have sworn it had a list > of urls to down load it from at the beginning .... will look it up > tonight Years ago I made a PostScript draft of the second edition available to reviewers. One of them abused this and made it generally available, which wasn't at all the intention. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 1:28:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from skynet.comm2000.it (skynet.comm2000.it [212.97.35.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A6FA37B503 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 01:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13615 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 08:28:16 -0000 Received: from loopback.comm2000.it (HELO comm2000.it) (127.0.0.1) by loopback.comm2000.it with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 08:28:16 -0000 Message-ID: <39DC3B9F.FB943CE2@comm2000.it> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:28:15 +0200 From: Rudy Lamarca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: it, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IOMEGA DITTO Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F413130011112163DB1AB1FF" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F413130011112163DB1AB1FF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! how can i use a Iomega Ditto 2Gb internal tape drive under FreeBSD ? ThX Rudy --------------F413130011112163DB1AB1FF Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="rudy.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Rudy Lamarca Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="rudy.vcf" begin:vcard n:Lamarca;Rudy x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Comm2000 S.p.A. adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:rudy@comm2000.it x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Rudy Lamarca end:vcard --------------F413130011112163DB1AB1FF-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 4:18:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.tbv.se (smtp2.tbv.se [193.15.92.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D752537B503 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 04:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp2.tbv.se (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA46697 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:18:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from james.wilde@tbv.se) Received: from UNKNOWN(193.15.92.37), claiming to be "tbvhks12" via SMTP by smtp2.tbv.se, id smtpdi46693; Thu Oct 5 13:18:26 2000 From: "James A Wilde" To: "Send to newbies" Subject: Upgrade story Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:20:39 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I upgraded from 2.2.8 to 4.1 today and thought I might share with some of you other newbies the adventures I went through. If you will bear with me, a bit of background might be useful or even entertaining. I first came into contact with FreeBSD a little over three years ago when the company where I work started an Internet presence and hired a consultant to set up the Internet Service lan. This he protected with a firewall running 2.2.8 and I was left to administer this beast - under his supervision. I quickly bought the Red Book - I have now also bought the Complete FBSD book also - but most of my experience was gained by the hands-on method. At a later date when we had expanded the IS lan, I needed an smtp server and got someone from the consultant's company to set up a FreeBSD server, 3.1 this time. Then I became daring and set up a machine at home, to play with, using an old pensioned 486 from work. And finally, when the smtp server became unstable - named crashes irregularly - I set up a new one myself, with the latest version of named and sendmail and a few other touches. Recompiled the kernel to incorporate IPFW and eliminate some unnecessary stuff. Soon I'm moving to a new employer who uses Sun Solaris and NT on the inside and Sun Solaris on the outside. I told them I was good (!) at FreeBSD but not so hot at Solaris and, guess what, they told me my first project will be to set up a FreeBSD name server. Which is why I decided it was time to upgrade the original and now pensioned 2.2.8 machine to 4.1 so as to be ready for IPv6 and other good things. Since I'm doing this on the cheapo, I decided to upgrade with FTP. This meant downloading kernel and mfs root file images and creating two boot diskettes. This went _very_ badly. I couldn't get the kernel disk to run. I had downloaded using Internet Explorer to my Windows NT machine and then created the disks from the disk images with rawrite for windows taken from a Linux distribution. A study of the mailing list archives suggested first that I should have used fdimage.exe so I tried that. Another look at the archives led me to download with NT's ftp instead of Internet Explorer. Finally I ftp'd the files to the old 2.2.8 machine and used dd. Still no luck. Back to the archives which were nearly unanimous in stating that the quality of diskettes can be the most significant factor So I tested the formatting of the floppies on the 2.2.8 machine - I haven't used the diskette drive more than a couple of times in three years - and yes, the format process indicated a deplorable quality on my diskettes, even ones which I had successfully used for such things as NT repair disks. Finally I tested one of the boot disks in another machine. It worked perfectly. Back to the 2.2.8 machine. No go. The diskette drive was clearly not up to scratch. I replaced it and at last I could start the installation procedure. The next thing to go wrong was in the information the installation program had collected from the 2.2.8 machine. Its suggestion for a host name was good - taken from rc.conf. Its domain name was good and the suggested IP address. So I didn't think anything of the fact that it had taken the first address in resolv.conf for the name server: 127.0.0.1. As a consequence it couldn't resolve the name of the chosen ftp server. Back to square one. Second time round everything went fine. The system loaded all the new executables, documents and manual pages - at least, it said it did: I haven't had time to check that yet! Time to reboot into the new system. Panic - not the kernel's, mine. I couldn't log in as root nor as myself. I tried the new root password, changed a few weeks ago; I tried the old root password. I tried - since this could be classed as a new installation - an empty password. I restarted the installation process and went in to sysinstall and tried to set the root password there, and create or modify an ordinary user. Neither worked. Back to the mailing list archives where I found the suggestion that I start in single user mode when I could change the root password. This i did - changed it 'back' to its new value, rebooted, logged on as root and changed my personal password 'back' to what it was and, hooray, I've got a functioning machine. The only thing I don't yet know is how typical it is of the proper 4.1 structure. There was, for example, a significant change in the startup files somewhere between 2.2.8 and 3.1. In 2.2.8 you had one rc.conf in /etc and you did all your alterations in that. In 3.1 there is a directory /etc/default which contains a standard rc.conf. In /etc you create a new rc.conf in which you just change the parameters you need to change, and insert such network things as IP address, default router, subnet mask and so forth. But this sort of thing I'll have to take a look at tomorrow. For now I've discovered that something has gone wrong with the configuration of ssh2 on the new machine, and I can't get in from home to take a look. :( Probably the most significant thing I've learnt from today's exercise, apart from the fact that, if one takes it slowly and logically, even a greenhorn can get there in the end, is that, whatever happens to you, it has probably happened to someone else before, and been solved, and that means that it's in there, hiding away in the mailing list archives and it is just a question of framing the right query parameters to dig it out and get the answer you are looking for. And that's a lot better for all users of the mailing list than firing a question off to the list asking the same thing that has been asked a dozen times already. If you've stayed with me this far, well done. I didn't intend it to be so long when I started, but I thought there might be some tips in there for others who may be contemplating the same type of upgrade, even if it isn't as big as the one from 2.2.8 to 4.1. mvh/regards James To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 4:51:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B75EA37B66C for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 04:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 33748 invoked by alias); 5 Oct 2000 11:51:51 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 33712 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2000 11:51:49 -0000 Received: from badialup193.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.225.236.193) by slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 11:51:49 -0000 Message-ID: <39DC6A5B.E553BD78@uswest.net> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 05:47:39 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James A Wilde Cc: Send to newbies Subject: Re: Upgrade story References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org James, This would be an excellent article for Daemon News or Daily.Daemonnews. I encourage you to submit it, so that it can be shared with a wider audience. You can submit this to Daemon News via articles@daemonnews.org but they need to have it by the 11th, in order to appear in next month's issue. You could also submit it to daily.daemonnews by sending it to editors@daemonnews.org Great story! Keep em coming! Joe James A Wilde wrote: > I upgraded from 2.2.8 to 4.1 today and thought I might share with some of > you other newbies the adventures I went through. If you will bear with me, > a bit of background might be useful or even entertaining. > > I first came into contact with FreeBSD a little over three years ago when > the company where I work started an Internet presence and hired a consultant > to set up the Internet Service lan. This he protected with a firewall > running 2.2.8 and I was left to administer this beast - under his > supervision. I quickly bought the Red Book - I have now also bought the > Complete FBSD book also - but most of my experience was gained by the > hands-on method. > > At a later date when we had expanded the IS lan, I needed an smtp server and > got someone from the consultant's company to set up a FreeBSD server, 3.1 > this time. Then I became daring and set up a machine at home, to play with, > using an old pensioned 486 from work. And finally, when the smtp server > became unstable - named crashes irregularly - I set up a new one myself, > with the latest version of named and sendmail and a few other touches. > Recompiled the kernel to incorporate IPFW and eliminate some unnecessary > stuff. > > Soon I'm moving to a new employer who uses Sun Solaris and NT on the inside > and Sun Solaris on the outside. I told them I was good (!) at FreeBSD but > not so hot at Solaris and, guess what, they told me my first project will be > to set up a FreeBSD name server. Which is why I decided it was time to > upgrade the original and now pensioned 2.2.8 machine to 4.1 so as to be > ready for IPv6 and other good things. > > Since I'm doing this on the cheapo, I decided to upgrade with FTP. This > meant downloading kernel and mfs root file images and creating two boot > diskettes. This went _very_ badly. I couldn't get the kernel disk to run. > I had downloaded using Internet Explorer to my Windows NT machine and then > created the disks from the disk images with rawrite for windows taken from a > Linux distribution. A study of the mailing list archives suggested first > that I should have used fdimage.exe so I tried that. Another look at the > archives led me to download with NT's ftp instead of Internet Explorer. > Finally I ftp'd the files to the old 2.2.8 machine and used dd. Still no > luck. Back to the archives which were nearly unanimous in stating that the > quality of diskettes can be the most significant factor > > So I tested the formatting of the floppies on the 2.2.8 machine - I haven't > used the diskette drive more than a couple of times in three years - and > yes, the format process indicated a deplorable quality on my diskettes, even > ones which I had successfully used for such things as NT repair disks. > > Finally I tested one of the boot disks in another machine. It worked > perfectly. Back to the 2.2.8 machine. No go. The diskette drive was > clearly not up to scratch. I replaced it and at last I could start the > installation procedure. > > The next thing to go wrong was in the information the installation program > had collected from the 2.2.8 machine. Its suggestion for a host name was > good - taken from rc.conf. Its domain name was good and the suggested IP > address. So I didn't think anything of the fact that it had taken the first > address in resolv.conf for the name server: 127.0.0.1. As a consequence it > couldn't resolve the name of the chosen ftp server. Back to square one. > > Second time round everything went fine. The system loaded all the new > executables, documents and manual pages - at least, it said it did: I > haven't had time to check that yet! Time to reboot into the new system. > > Panic - not the kernel's, mine. I couldn't log in as root nor as myself. I > tried the new root password, changed a few weeks ago; I tried the old root > password. I tried - since this could be classed as a new installation - an > empty password. I restarted the installation process and went in to > sysinstall and tried to set the root password there, and create or modify an > ordinary user. Neither worked. > > Back to the mailing list archives where I found the suggestion that I start > in single user mode when I could change the root password. This i did - > changed it 'back' to its new value, rebooted, logged on as root and changed > my personal password 'back' to what it was and, hooray, I've got a > functioning machine. > > The only thing I don't yet know is how typical it is of the proper 4.1 > structure. There was, for example, a significant change in the startup > files somewhere between 2.2.8 and 3.1. In 2.2.8 you had one rc.conf in /etc > and you did all your alterations in that. In 3.1 there is a directory > /etc/default which contains a standard rc.conf. In /etc you create a new > rc.conf in which you just change the parameters you need to change, and > insert such network things as IP address, default router, subnet mask and so > forth. > > But this sort of thing I'll have to take a look at tomorrow. For now I've > discovered that something has gone wrong with the configuration of ssh2 on > the new machine, and I can't get in from home to take a look. :( > > Probably the most significant thing I've learnt from today's exercise, apart > from the fact that, if one takes it slowly and logically, even a greenhorn > can get there in the end, is that, whatever happens to you, it has probably > happened to someone else before, and been solved, and that means that it's > in there, hiding away in the mailing list archives and it is just a question > of framing the right query parameters to dig it out and get the answer you > are looking for. And that's a lot better for all users of the mailing list > than firing a question off to the list asking the same thing that has been > asked a dozen times already. > > If you've stayed with me this far, well done. I didn't intend it to be so > long when I started, but I thought there might be some tips in there for > others who may be contemplating the same type of upgrade, even if it isn't > as big as the one from 2.2.8 to 4.1. > > mvh/regards > > James > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- FreeBSD = The Power to Serve ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 7:19:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pmr.com (pmr.com [216.30.79.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E50E37B66E; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fagan (fagan.pmr.com [10.1.0.22]) by pmr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA41701; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:19:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from sfagan@pmr.com) Message-ID: <00ee01c02ed6$a14b0060$1600010a@pmr.com> From: "Steve Fagan" To: "Rick Hamell" , "Joseph Scott" Cc: , References: Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:14:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well atleast that is one for sure. Another possible advertiser. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Hamell" To: "Joseph Scott" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 1:33 PM Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > > > Also found: > > > > > > Freebsd Corporate Network Guide > > > Mittelstae > > > I was under the impression that work had stopped on all/most of > > these, but I'd be happy to be wrong in this case. > > This one is coming out, I know for a fact. I was a proof reader on > it and it's been through final edit back in August or so. :) > > Rick > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 8:18:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6A537B503 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B0BA1328E; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:43:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8AE328D; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:43:09 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:43:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: James A Wilde Cc: Send to newbies Subject: Re: Upgrade story In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I upgraded from 2.2.8 to 4.1 today and thought I might share with some of > you other newbies the adventures I went through. If you will bear with me, > a bit of background might be useful or even entertaining. Thanks for the pointers James! :) It was entertaining to read, filled with lots of good information, and most importantly; On topic for -newbies! :) Now, if y'all indulge me, let me tell you what I've learned this weeked. Fatal Trap Error 12 (if I remeber the error message,) is not always a system ram problem. It all started with the purchase of a 23 gig ultrawide SCSI drive off of Ebay. It was refurbished and came with a year garuntee. It was one of the better branded Seagate models so I figured that it's only a workstation - not a problem. Lo and behold, the drive is bad! Not a problem put my old one back in. All the sudden the system wouldn't boot. I kept getting Fatal Trap errors, or the machine would lock up seconds after I logged in. After two days of playing with this a new problem appeared. The computer would turn, but nothing would show up on the screen. Ok, I figured, that along with the memory error most likely means my motherboard is toast. Just to be sure I tested the two 64 meg memory sticks in another computer - worked great. (Good enough that my GF now "needs" 128 megs of RAM in her computer... :) Anyways, new motherboard and new case (had to upgrade to ATX... UHG... ) Lo and behold, the exact same problem!!! After scratching my head and pulling hair, I started to pull the system apart. And layed my hand upon the video card. Immediatly I burned my hand on one of the RAM chips. The computer had been on for less then 30 seconds and the one RAM chip was to hot to touch. So... replace the video card and walla! Working system... (At 16 colors because I don't have a decent video card to replace it with yet...:) Anyways... I learned two lessons really... Bad RAM can include the RAM on the video card! And I really need to get off of phone support and back into the hands on environment, my skills are suffering.... :) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 8:39:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pmr.com (pmr.com [216.30.79.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07EB37B66C; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fagan (fagan.pmr.com [10.1.0.22]) by pmr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA42844; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:39:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from sfagan@pmr.com) Message-ID: <010901c02ee1$d1398160$1600010a@pmr.com> From: "Steve Fagan" To: "Rick Hamell" , "Joseph Scott" Cc: , References: <00ee01c02ed6$a14b0060$1600010a@pmr.com> Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:34:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm sorry. This title has been canceled. Thank you for your interest in IDG Books. Heidi Unger Online Customer Service Rep. IDG Books Worldwide www.idgbooks.com Darn!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Fagan" To: "Rick Hamell" ; "Joseph Scott" Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 9:14 AM Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > Well atleast that is one for sure. Another possible advertiser. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Hamell" > To: "Joseph Scott" > Cc: ; > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 1:33 PM > Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > > > > > > > Also found: > > > > > > > > Freebsd Corporate Network Guide > > > > Mittelstae > > > > > I was under the impression that work had stopped on all/most of > > > these, but I'd be happy to be wrong in this case. > > > > This one is coming out, I know for a fact. I was a proof reader on > > it and it's been through final edit back in August or so. :) > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 8:40:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07CC37B503; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e95FeZi04651; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:40:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rab@pike.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200010051540.e95FeZi04651@pike.osd.bsdi.com> To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 05 Oct 2000 09:14:52 CDT." <00ee01c02ed6$a14b0060$1600010a@pmr.com> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 08:40:34 -0700 From: "Robert A. Bruce" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It would be really great if the authors/publishers of new FreeBSD books could send email to webmaster@freebsdmall.com and let us know about these books. We can't sell your books if we don't know about them. It is great to see all these new FreeBSD books coming out, but it really sucks that they are all appearing on Amazon and BN before we have them available on our own site. In addition to listing the books on our website, we can also list them in our paper catalog that goes out semiannually to >100K BSD users. -bob >From: "Rick Hamell" >To: "Joseph Scott" >Cc: ; >Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 1:33 PM >Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > >> >> > > Also found: >> > > >> > > Freebsd Corporate Network Guide >> > > Mittelstae >> >> > I was under the impression that work had stopped on all/most of >> > these, but I'd be happy to be wrong in this case. >> >> This one is coming out, I know for a fact. I was a proof reader on >> it and it's been through final edit back in August or so. :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 8:47:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9675937B502; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5176161E5; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24326; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:47:09 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:47:07 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525696F.00568B87 ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:45:17 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: "Robert A. Bruce" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <8525696F.005689C7.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:47:35 -0600 Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >It would be really great if the authors/publishers of new FreeBSD >books could send email to webmaster@freebsdmall.com and let us know >about these books. We can't sell your books if we don't know about >them. Has an effort been made to contact the authors/publishers regarding this? Joe |--------+-----------------------> | | "Robert A. | | | Bruce" | | | | | | | | | 10/05/00 | | | 09:40 AM | | | | |--------+-----------------------> >---------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, | | freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG | | cc: (bcc: Joe Warner/SMS) | | Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser | | Responses) | >---------------------------------------------------------| It would be really great if the authors/publishers of new FreeBSD books could send email to webmaster@freebsdmall.com and let us know about these books. We can't sell your books if we don't know about them. It is great to see all these new FreeBSD books coming out, but it really sucks that they are all appearing on Amazon and BN before we have them available on our own site. In addition to listing the books on our website, we can also list them in our paper catalog that goes out semiannually to >100K BSD users. -bob >From: "Rick Hamell" >To: "Joseph Scott" >Cc: ; >Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 1:33 PM >Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > >> >> > > Also found: >> > > >> > > Freebsd Corporate Network Guide >> > > Mittelstae >> >> > I was under the impression that work had stopped on all/most of >> > these, but I'd be happy to be wrong in this case. >> >> This one is coming out, I know for a fact. I was a proof reader on >> it and it's been through final edit back in August or so. :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 9:41:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A21A37B502; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8152B328E; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:06:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E56A328D; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:06:12 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:06:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) In-Reply-To: <010901c02ee1$d1398160$1600010a@pmr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm sorry. This title has been canceled. > > Thank you for your interest in IDG Books. > > Heidi Unger > Online Customer Service Rep. > IDG Books Worldwide > www.idgbooks.com > > Darn!!! Any one know why it's been cancled then? :( This is like the 2nd or third time this has happened. Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 9:57:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0BF37B503; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from envy.geekhouse.net (pool0833.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.195.68]) by merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00615; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jim@localhost) by envy.geekhouse.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e95GvC110726; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:57:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:57:09 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Rick Hamell Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Message-ID: <20001005095708.C3264@envy.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@lust.geekhouse.net References: <010901c02ee1$d1398160$1600010a@pmr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from hamellr@heorot.1nova.com on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 09:06:12AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 at 09:06:12 +0000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > I'm sorry. This title has been canceled. > > > > Thank you for your interest in IDG Books. > > > > Heidi Unger > > Online Customer Service Rep. > > IDG Books Worldwide > > www.idgbooks.com > > > > Darn!!! > > Any one know why it's been cancled then? :( This is like the 2nd > or third time this has happened. According to the people at IDG I talked to (I was doing the technical review), it was a matter of deadlines. I've been trying to get the editor working with Annelise to reply to me for a while now without luck (I would love to pick this up). - jim -- jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 10: 1:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EED537B502; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E9512328E; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:25:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D39E5328D; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:25:36 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:25:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: Jim Mock Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) In-Reply-To: <20001005095708.C3264@envy.geekhouse.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Any one know why it's been cancled then? :( This is like the 2nd > > or third time this has happened. > > According to the people at IDG I talked to (I was doing the technical > review), it was a matter of deadlines. I've been trying to get the > editor working with Annelise to reply to me for a while now without luck > (I would love to pick this up). Cool, cause that was exactly what I was thinking. This is too valuable to let it drop. This needs to be done! In my opinion, little else will give FreeBSD a better image then a good 'Dummies' book. :) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 12: 0: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from envy.geekhouse.net (envy.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DBAA37B502; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jim@localhost) by envy.geekhouse.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e95Ixnx47039; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:59:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:59:48 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Rick Hamell Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Message-ID: <20001005115947.A43895@envy.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@lust.geekhouse.net References: <20001005095708.C3264@envy.geekhouse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from hamellr@heorot.1nova.com on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 09:25:36AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 at 09:25:36 +0000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > > Any one know why it's been cancled then? :( This is like the 2nd > > > or third time this has happened. > > > > According to the people at IDG I talked to (I was doing the technical > > review), it was a matter of deadlines. I've been trying to get the > > editor working with Annelise to reply to me for a while now without luck > > (I would love to pick this up). > > Cool, cause that was exactly what I was thinking. This is too > valuable to let it drop. This needs to be done! In my opinion, little > else will give FreeBSD a better image then a good 'Dummies' book. :) I just talked to Greg Croy from IDG -- he was the editor handling FreeBSD for Dummies. He said that IDG doesn't have any interest in publishing FreeBSD for Dummies anymore because they don't have enough confidence the market is large enough to ensure it's success. In other words, their risk is too great :-( - jim -- jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 12: 1:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pmr.com (pmr.com [216.30.79.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05FA937B503; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fagan (fagan.pmr.com [10.1.0.22]) by pmr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA45887; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:01:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from sfagan@pmr.com) Message-ID: <016401c02efe$0f2619e0$1600010a@pmr.com> From: "Steve Fagan" To: , "Rick Hamell" Cc: , References: <20001005095708.C3264@envy.geekhouse.net> <20001005115947.A43895@envy.geekhouse.net> Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:57:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So would it help if we sent mails to them or something along those lines. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Mock" To: "Rick Hamell" Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 1:59 PM Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 at 09:25:36 +0000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > > > Any one know why it's been cancled then? :( This is like the 2nd > > > > or third time this has happened. > > > > > > According to the people at IDG I talked to (I was doing the technical > > > review), it was a matter of deadlines. I've been trying to get the > > > editor working with Annelise to reply to me for a while now without luck > > > (I would love to pick this up). > > > > Cool, cause that was exactly what I was thinking. This is too > > valuable to let it drop. This needs to be done! In my opinion, little > > else will give FreeBSD a better image then a good 'Dummies' book. :) > > I just talked to Greg Croy from IDG -- he was the editor handling > FreeBSD for Dummies. He said that IDG doesn't have any interest in > publishing FreeBSD for Dummies anymore because they don't have enough > confidence the market is large enough to ensure it's success. In other > words, their risk is too great :-( > > - jim > > -- > jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org > http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 12: 6:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC0837B502; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA79458; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:06:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:06:13 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: Jim Mock Cc: Rick Hamell , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Message-ID: <20001005150613.A79428@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20001005095708.C3264@envy.geekhouse.net> <20001005115947.A43895@envy.geekhouse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20001005115947.A43895@envy.geekhouse.net>; from jim@lust.geekhouse.net on Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 11:59:48AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 11:59:48AM -0700, Jim Mock wrote: > I just talked to Greg Croy from IDG -- he was the editor handling > FreeBSD for Dummies. He said that IDG doesn't have any interest in > publishing FreeBSD for Dummies anymore because they don't have enough > confidence the market is large enough to ensure it's success. In other > words, their risk is too great :-( I've had this same experience dealing with publishers about my FreeBSD book. The most interested party wound up turning me down in favor of another FreeBSD beginner's book. The beginners' market is quickly filling up with contracted books. There's a slew of publishers who are willing to publish *advanced* BSD books, if you can write both device drivers and documentation. Personally, I've given up on pushing a BSD book until I can saturate the market with articles and become too large a force to resist. And there's a *long* way to go until then. ==ml -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 12: 8:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8E537B503; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA79484; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:08:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:08:12 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: Steve Fagan Cc: jim@lust.geekhouse.net, Rick Hamell , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Message-ID: <20001005150812.B79428@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20001005095708.C3264@envy.geekhouse.net> <20001005115947.A43895@envy.geekhouse.net> <016401c02efe$0f2619e0$1600010a@pmr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <016401c02efe$0f2619e0$1600010a@pmr.com>; from sfagan@pmr.com on Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 01:57:07PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 01:57:07PM -0500, Steve Fagan wrote: > So would it help if we sent mails to them or something along those lines. The open source camps are well known for narrow, but deep, advocacy. I'd recommend putting your efforts towards other publishers. It would help, say, Addison-Wesley to make the plunge if you wrote them asking for a FreeBSD book. IDG has been wavering for a while, sadly. :( -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 12: 8:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from envy.geekhouse.net (envy.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9778B37B503; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jim@localhost) by envy.geekhouse.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e95J8J653771; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:08:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:08:18 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Steve Fagan Cc: Rick Hamell , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Message-ID: <20001005120817.C43895@envy.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@lust.geekhouse.net References: <20001005095708.C3264@envy.geekhouse.net> <20001005115947.A43895@envy.geekhouse.net> <016401c02efe$0f2619e0$1600010a@pmr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <016401c02efe$0f2619e0$1600010a@pmr.com>; from sfagan@pmr.com on Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 01:57:07PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 05 Oct 2000 at 13:57:07 -0500, Steve Fagan wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Mock" > To: "Rick Hamell" > Cc: ; > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 1:59 PM > Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > > > On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 at 09:25:36 +0000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > > > > Any one know why it's been cancled then? :( This is like the 2nd > > > > > or third time this has happened. > > > > > > > > According to the people at IDG I talked to (I was doing the > > > > technical review), it was a matter of deadlines. I've been > > > > trying to get the editor working with Annelise to reply to me > > > > for a while now without luck (I would love to pick this up). > > > > > > Cool, cause that was exactly what I was thinking. This is too > > > valuable to let it drop. This needs to be done! In my opinion, > > > little else will give FreeBSD a better image then a good 'Dummies' > > > book. :) > > > > I just talked to Greg Croy from IDG -- he was the editor handling > > FreeBSD for Dummies. He said that IDG doesn't have any interest in > > publishing FreeBSD for Dummies anymore because they don't have > > enough confidence the market is large enough to ensure it's > > success. In other words, their risk is too great :-( > > So would it help if we sent mails to them or something along those > lines. Possibly. I'm not sure how much a few emails will accomplish though. They seem pretty set in their decision. If you do really want to see such a book though, you can send feedback to custserdum@idgbooks.com. See http://www.dummies.com/email.html for more contact information. - jim -- jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 12:11:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from envy.geekhouse.net (envy.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB6037B503; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jim@localhost) by envy.geekhouse.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e95JAqs56346; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:10:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:10:50 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Michael Lucas Cc: Steve Fagan , Rick Hamell , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Message-ID: <20001005121049.D43895@envy.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@lust.geekhouse.net References: <20001005095708.C3264@envy.geekhouse.net> <20001005115947.A43895@envy.geekhouse.net> <016401c02efe$0f2619e0$1600010a@pmr.com> <20001005150812.B79428@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001005150812.B79428@blackhelicopters.org>; from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org on Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 03:08:12PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 05 Oct 2000 at 15:08:12 -0400, Michael Lucas wrote: > On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 01:57:07PM -0500, Steve Fagan wrote: > > So would it help if we sent mails to them or something along those > > lines. > > The open source camps are well known for narrow, but deep, advocacy. > > I'd recommend putting your efforts towards other publishers. It would > help, say, Addison-Wesley to make the plunge if you wrote them asking > for a FreeBSD book. IDG has been wavering for a while, sadly. :( Addison-Wesley has at least two that I know of on the way RSN. One is Ted Mittelstaedt's, and the other is by Dan Langille and Chuck Rouillard. - jim -- jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 12:49:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1331837B502 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p3wayne (user-38lc60e.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.24.14]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA12272 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003801c02f05$3b639da0$a301a8c0@p3wayne> From: "Wayne Sheppard" To: Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:47:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does this magazine stuff really belong on freebsd-newbies? I have no idea what belongs here, but 100+ messages about creating a BSD magazine seems too many for a list.designed for * newbies activities * Please don't flame me. If this topic is appropriate for this list, I'll just unsubscribe quietly. Wayne FYI, here is the list charter: FREEBSD-NEWBIES Newbies activities discussion We cover any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere, including: independent learning and problem solving techniques, finding and using resources and asking for help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 12:56:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from exodus.ait.co.za (exodus.ait.co.za [196.36.149.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3676637B66D for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pm3ctn [196.36.149.4] by exodus.ait.co.za (SMTPD32-4.06) id AB894B7014E; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 21:56:41 +0200 Message-ID: <086101c02f07$02bea920$0200a8c0@ait.co.za> Reply-To: "Peter Salvage" From: "Peter Salvage" To: References: <003801c02f05$3b639da0$a301a8c0@p3wayne> Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:01:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If anyone is interested, I'm more than happy to create a list for this topic, as I feel it's quite important. /wiZZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Sheppard" To: Sent: 05 October 2000 09:47 Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > Does this magazine stuff really belong on freebsd-newbies? I have no idea > what belongs here, but 100+ messages about creating a BSD magazine seems too > many for a list.designed for * newbies activities * > > Please don't flame me. If this topic is appropriate for this list, I'll > just unsubscribe quietly. > > > Wayne > > > FYI, here is the list charter: > > FREEBSD-NEWBIES > Newbies activities discussion > > We cover any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with > elsewhere, including: independent learning and problem solving techniques, > finding and using resources and asking for help elsewhere, how to use > mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, > boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and > taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and > support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet > others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 13: 7:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pmr.com (pmr.com [216.30.79.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D7D37B502 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fagan (fagan.pmr.com [10.1.0.22]) by pmr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA46852; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:07:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from sfagan@pmr.com) Message-ID: <01a501c02f07$35fca440$1600010a@pmr.com> From: "Steve Fagan" To: "Peter Salvage" , References: <003801c02f05$3b639da0$a301a8c0@p3wayne> <086101c02f07$02bea920$0200a8c0@ait.co.za> Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:02:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Add me to the list if you make one. I am very interested in the topic. I never would have know about the book due out in Dec. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Salvage" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:01 PM Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > If anyone is interested, I'm more than happy to create a list for this > topic, as I feel it's quite important. > > /wiZZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne Sheppard" > To: > Sent: 05 October 2000 09:47 > Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > > > Does this magazine stuff really belong on freebsd-newbies? I have no idea > > what belongs here, but 100+ messages about creating a BSD magazine seems > too > > many for a list.designed for * newbies activities * > > > > Please don't flame me. If this topic is appropriate for this list, I'll > > just unsubscribe quietly. > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > FYI, here is the list charter: > > > > FREEBSD-NEWBIES > > Newbies activities discussion > > > > We cover any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with > > elsewhere, including: independent learning and problem solving techniques, > > finding and using resources and asking for help elsewhere, how to use > > mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, > > boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and > > taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and > > support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet > > others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 13:19:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B2937B502; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 771C2328E; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:44:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A7E328D; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:44:15 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:44:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: Michael Lucas Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) In-Reply-To: <20001005150812.B79428@blackhelicopters.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The open source camps are well known for narrow, but deep, advocacy. > > I'd recommend putting your efforts towards other publishers. It would > help, say, Addison-Wesley to make the plunge if you wrote them asking > for a FreeBSD book. IDG has been wavering for a while, sadly. :( Addison-Wesley is doing the Corporate Networkers Guide to FreeBSD (whatever the title is... I can't remeber for sure...:) I'll find out if they'd be interested in doing a beginner's book & what their submission guidelines are. Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 13:20:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F3D37B66F for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MrK1nt@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id 6.52.189ea20 (15895); Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web30.aolmail.aol.com (web30.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.6]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:19:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:19:20 EDT From: MrK1nt@aol.com Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <52.189ea20.270e3c48@aol.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Same here. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 13:24: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE40E37B503 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9FFD9328E; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:48:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD0D328D; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:48:17 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:48:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: Wayne Sheppard Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) In-Reply-To: <003801c02f05$3b639da0$a301a8c0@p3wayne> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Does this magazine stuff really belong on freebsd-newbies? I have no idea > what belongs here, but 100+ messages about creating a BSD magazine seems too > many for a list.designed for * newbies activities * > > Please don't flame me. If this topic is appropriate for this list, I'll > just unsubscribe quietly. I believe so... it started partially as a way for newbies to get help on FreeBSD. I believe it is still relevant as newbies are the ones who have to drive FreeBSD into the market to eventually get the changes "we" may want. Without a growing newbie population, FreeBSD will end up being used by a few crusty old sysadmins sitting around "when I was your age, Microsoft only had 5 versions of Windows! And we still didn't like it!" :) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 13:34:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from exchange.nils.lib.il.us (mailsrv.nils.lib.il.us [206.190.22.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D4D37B503; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:34:30 -0500 Message-ID: <3073B3378589D411B21600508BAF32AA18A225@EXCHANGE> From: Nathan Williams To: 'Rick Hamell' Cc: "'advocacy@freebsd.org'" , "'newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:34:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know, I subscribe to both so I'm getting every message twice. I'm just saying it should probably be moved there. > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Hamell [SMTP:hamellr@heorot.1nova.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 7:56 AM > To: Nathan Williams > Subject: RE: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > > It's being cross posted to advocacy. :) > > Rick > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Nathan Williams wrote: > > > I agree with Wayne. The thread should probably be moved to advocacy. > > Nathan Williams > > nathanw@nils.lib.il.us > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rick Hamell [SMTP:hamellr@heorot.1nova.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 7:48 AM > > > To: Wayne Sheppard > > > Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org > > > Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > > > > > > > > > Does this magazine stuff really belong on freebsd-newbies? I have > no > > > idea > > > > what belongs here, but 100+ messages about creating a BSD magazine > seems > > > too > > > > many for a list.designed for * newbies activities * > > > > > > > > Please don't flame me. If this topic is appropriate for this list, > I'll > > > > just unsubscribe quietly. > > > > > > I believe so... it started partially as a way for newbies to get > > > help on FreeBSD. I believe it is still relevant as newbies are the > ones > > > who have to drive FreeBSD into the market to eventually get the > changes > > > "we" may want. Without a growing newbie population, FreeBSD will end > up > > > being used by a few crusty old sysadmins sitting around "when I was > your > > > age, Microsoft only had 5 versions of Windows! And we still didn't > like > > > it!" :) > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 14:10: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9D037B502; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA80212; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:09:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:09:58 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: Rick Hamell Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Message-ID: <20001005170958.A80200@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20001005150812.B79428@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from hamellr@heorot.1nova.com on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 12:44:15PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 12:44:15PM +0000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > Addison-Wesley is doing the Corporate Networkers Guide to FreeBSD > (whatever the title is... I can't remeber for sure...:) I'll find out if > they'd be interested in doing a beginner's book & what their submission > guidelines are. > They're also doing a beginner's book. I was in the process of doing a book with them when they decided to go with Dan Langille (sp?), the freebsddiary.org dude. Been there, done that. ;) ==ml -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 14:17:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9623937B502; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 95200328E; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:41:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8225B328D; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:41:32 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:41:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: Michael Lucas Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) In-Reply-To: <20001005170958.A80200@blackhelicopters.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > They're also doing a beginner's book. I was in the process of doing a > book with them when they decided to go with Dan Langille (sp?), the > freebsddiary.org dude. Dang... well, who does the xxx in 21 days or 24 hour books? Or are they doing one too? :) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 14:46:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8B237B502; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14996; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:45:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAA8JaO9C; Thu Oct 5 14:44:48 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15494; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:46:16 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200010052146.OAA15494@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) To: jim@lust.geekhouse.net Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:46:16 +0000 (GMT) Cc: hamellr@heorot.1nova.com (Rick Hamell), freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20001005115947.A43895@envy.geekhouse.net> from "Jim Mock" at Oct 05, 2000 11:59:48 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jim Mock wrote: > I just talked to Greg Croy from IDG -- he was the editor handling > FreeBSD for Dummies. He said that IDG doesn't have any interest in > publishing FreeBSD for Dummies anymore because they don't have enough > confidence the market is large enough to ensure it's success. In other > words, their risk is too great :-( Email address where we can promise to buy N copies, where N >= 1, please. I'd buy one just to have Annelise sign my copy at the "FreeBSD for Dummies" book-signing party that will surely occur at the BAFUG/BABUG meeting following its publication. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 14:50:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF0E37B503; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFFA1622D; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10795; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:50:11 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 17:50:03 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525696F.0077C6C6 ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:48:16 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: Rick Hamell Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, Michael Lucas Message-Id: <8525696F.0077C596.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:50:48 -0600 Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anybody tried to contact any advertisers re: the original subject of this thread? If so, did you receive any responses? Thanks Joe |--------+--------------------------> | | Rick Hamell | | | | | | | | | 10/04/00 07:41 | | | AM | | | | |--------+--------------------------> >---------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: Michael Lucas | | | | cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, | | freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, (bcc: Joe Warner/SMS)| | Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser | | Responses) | >---------------------------------------------------------| > They're also doing a beginner's book. I was in the process of doing a > book with them when they decided to go with Dan Langille (sp?), the > freebsddiary.org dude. Dang... well, who does the xxx in 21 days or 24 hour books? Or are they doing one too? :) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 14:52:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98AF837B66C; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04332; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:49:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpdAAASWaO2h; Thu Oct 5 14:49:23 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15722; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:51:54 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200010052151.OAA15722@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) To: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org (Michael Lucas) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:51:54 +0000 (GMT) Cc: jim@lust.geekhouse.net (Jim Mock), hamellr@heorot.1nova.com (Rick Hamell), freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20001005150613.A79428@blackhelicopters.org> from "Michael Lucas" at Oct 05, 2000 03:06:13 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > There's a slew of publishers who are willing to publish *advanced* BSD > books, if you can write both device drivers and documentation. I will write one of these, if FreeBSD ever freezes its kernel APIs long enough to do so accurately. The problem with writing an advanced book is that FreeBSD will not commit to the moral equivalent of DDI/DKI, and revises its APIs too frequently for the time it takes to do an advanced book. Unlike beginner books, advanced books take about 2080 hours for an author to complete. For the math-concious among you, you will recognize that as 40 hours/week * 52 weeks/year, or about one year of full time work. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 16: 0:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774C037B503; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e95MxPi18991; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:59:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rab@pike.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200010052259.e95MxPi18991@pike.osd.bsdi.com> To: Michael Lucas Cc: Rick Hamell , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, rab@pike.osd.bsdi.com Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 05 Oct 2000 17:09:58 EDT." <20001005170958.A80200@blackhelicopters.org> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:59:25 -0700 From: "Robert A. Bruce" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Michael Lucas said... >On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 12:44:15PM +0000, Rick Hamell wrote: >> >> Addison-Wesley is doing the Corporate Networkers Guide to FreeBSD >> (whatever the title is... I can't remeber for sure...:) I'll find out if >> they'd be interested in doing a beginner's book & what their submission >> guidelines are. >> > >They're also doing a beginner's book. I was in the process of doing a >book with them when they decided to go with Dan Langille (sp?), the >freebsddiary.org dude. If you are looking for a publisher, please let me know. BSDi publishes The FreeBSD Handbook, and The Complete FreeBSD. We are looking for new BSD books to publish. Some specific topics we are looking for are corporate/enterprise, ISPs, embedded systems, and security, but we are happy to consider anything BSD related. -bob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 16:19:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE7837B503; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish ([62.253.85.57]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20001006001829.ZFBJ23965.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@parish>; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:18:29 +0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e95NJ5a01001; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:19:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:18:58 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: "Robert A. Bruce" Cc: Michael Lucas , Rick Hamell , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Message-ID: <20001006001858.B252@parish> References: <20001005170958.A80200@blackhelicopters.org> <200010052259.e95MxPi18991@pike.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200010052259.e95MxPi18991@pike.osd.bsdi.com>; from rab@pike.osd.bsdi.com on Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 03:59:25PM -0700 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 03:59:25PM -0700, Robert A. Bruce wrote: > > If you are looking for a publisher, please let me know. BSDi publishes > The FreeBSD Handbook, and The Complete FreeBSD. We are looking for > new BSD books to publish. Some specific topics we are looking for > are corporate/enterprise, ISPs, embedded systems, and security, but we > are happy to consider anything BSD related. > Are there any plans to set up distribution of these 2 books (and any more you may publish) in mainstream bookshops outside the US (e.g. Europe). If you search for either book on the websites of any major UK bookshops (Dillons, Waterstones, Blackwells etc) they always come back "not found". I appreciate that publishing books is not the main business of WC/BSDi and so setting up international distribution may be difficult and/or expensive but is it not possible to come to an arrangement with another publisher with established international distribution channels, and for whom the books pose no commercial competition, to distribute them for you? In the past year in one of these shops I visit fairly regularly there has been a noticeable increase in the number of Linux and Linux-related books on the shelves (and a corresponding decrease in Windows books) so it would be good to see the FreeBSD Handbook and TCFBSD alongside them (plus FreeBSD for Dummies, FreeBSD for Sysadmins, etc., etc.). > -bob > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 18:19:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from klapaucius.zer0.org (klapaucius.zer0.org [204.152.186.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714A737B66C; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by klapaucius.zer0.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1E0AF239A47; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:19:17 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Joe.Warner@smed.com Cc: Chris Coleman , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, Michael Lucas , Neurosys Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Message-ID: <20001005181917.K23587@klapaucius.zer0.org> References: <8525696E.0067BB6B.00@Deimos.smed.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <8525696E.0067BB6B.00@Deimos.smed.com>; from Joe.Warner@smed.com on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 12:55:35PM -0600 Organization: daemonnews Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2000-10-04 12:55 -0600, Joe.Warner@smed.com wrote: > > > This is a very good idea and one I hadn't thought of yet. > > If I am contacted by an advertiser who would be interested in > providing some banner ads on Daemon News, who should > I direct them to? You can direct them to sales@daemonnews.org or have them look at the Daemon News Mall, . The mall sells all kinds of BSD products, including advertising on DN. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Bureaucrats cut red tape--lengthwise. mailto:gsutter@daemonnews.org PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 20:30: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233A437B502; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA58163; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:29:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:29:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Joseph Scott Cc: Steve Fagan , Jordan Hubbard , Joe.Warner@smed.com, Chris Coleman , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, Michael Lucas , Neurosys Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) In-Reply-To: <39DBC2C1.5F865B8E@owp.csus.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Joseph Scott wrote: > Installing and Running Freebsd Dunno about this one. > Powering Small Business With Freebsd (Sams White Book Series) > by Robert Watson One day, my e-mails to my editor stopped being answered--I'm guessing that they canceled the book and forgot to tell me. I haven't heard back from them since. They have over half of the book, and did technical edits on at least the first third. I've given up on it at this point, occasionally I'd send another chapter and say, ``Here, look, good stuff, are you there yet?'' or the like, but to no avail. Robert N M Watson robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ PGP key fingerprint: AF B5 5F FF A6 4A 79 37 ED 5F 55 E9 58 04 6A B1 TIS Labs at Network Associates, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 21:30:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533F737B502; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA53998; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:20:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: Terry Lambert Cc: jim@lust.geekhouse.net, Rick Hamell , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) In-Reply-To: <200010052146.OAA15494@usr05.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org They really cancelled the contract--I asked them to reconsider, and they spent a month reconsidering. The book is now 3/4 done. Well, maybe that's a little bit of an overstatement. But close to that. Within a month of being finished. I was quite disappointed, not only because I've done quite a lot of work on it but also because I think it's needed. I was surprised at how much stuff is unexplained. I agree with Terry's estimate on how long it takes to write an "advanced" book. Even writing something you know cold takes time, because every word has to be written--and formatted. I am, though, interested in another publisher, and am just beginning to look around. A few people apparently pre-ordered the book on the Dummies web site; I guess not enough! How I would love to have Terry Lambert's autograph on a book I wrote about FreeBSD! Annelise On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Terry Lambert wrote: > Jim Mock wrote: > > I just talked to Greg Croy from IDG -- he was the editor handling > > FreeBSD for Dummies. He said that IDG doesn't have any interest in > > publishing FreeBSD for Dummies anymore because they don't have enough > > confidence the market is large enough to ensure it's success. In other > > words, their risk is too great :-( > > Email address where we can promise to buy N copies, where N >= 1, > please. I'd buy one just to have Annelise sign my copy at the > "FreeBSD for Dummies" book-signing party that will surely occur > at the BAFUG/BABUG meeting following its publication. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 22:31:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FB237B503; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10249; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:29:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAKZa45t; Thu Oct 5 22:29:42 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA23164; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:31:12 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200010060531.WAA23164@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) To: rab@pike.osd.bsdi.com (Robert A. Bruce) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 05:31:11 +0000 (GMT) Cc: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org (Michael Lucas), hamellr@heorot.1nova.com (Rick Hamell), freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, rab@pike.osd.bsdi.com In-Reply-To: <200010052259.e95MxPi18991@pike.osd.bsdi.com> from "Robert A. Bruce" at Oct 05, 2000 03:59:25 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > If you are looking for a publisher, please let me know. BSDi publishes > The FreeBSD Handbook, and The Complete FreeBSD. We are looking for > new BSD books to publish. Some specific topics we are looking for > are corporate/enterprise, ISPs, embedded systems, and security, but we > are happy to consider anything BSD related. FWIW, the last time I was at Fry's, they had a 4.0 version of FreeBSD bundled with the book. Because I was using 4.1, and was willing to pay for the CD set for 4.1, and was willing to support the idea of the book, I would have bought the set, but the media was 4.0. I would have been willing to buy the book seperately. I would have been willing to buy the 4.1 CD set seperately. Bundled as they were, I couldn't really talk myself into buying the set. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 5 22:58: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from westgate.starhub.net.sg (westgate.starhub.net.sg [203.116.1.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182B937B66C; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tdprk (nas12-115-73.mystarhub.com.sg [203.117.115.73]) by westgate.starhub.net.sg (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e965vr631883; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:57:53 +0800 (SST) Message-ID: <004401c02f5a$9d561380$497375cb@tdprk> From: "Lee Weng Seng" To: "FreeBSD Hardware List" , Subject: Burn-in Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:58:35 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've set up my box with fbsd 4.1. But I need to find out how reliable are all the components. Letting the system up without really running anything for 5 days now is hardly what I would call a burn-in. Three components that top my list are: 1) Barracuda hardisk 2) Kingston RAM 3) Intel Network Interface Card Please advice or throw me a link. Thanks, Lee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 6 1:56: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hermes.research.kpn.com (hermes.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31E037B503; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 01:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by research.kpn.com (PMDF V5.2-31 #42699) with ESMTP id <01JV0J3NZRC4000LRK@research.kpn.com>; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 10:55:57 +0200 Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 10:55:56 +0100 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 10:55:54 +0100 From: "Koster, K.J." Subject: RE: Burn-in To: 'Lee Weng Seng' , FreeBSD Hardware List , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D7930@l04.research.kpn.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I've set up my box with fbsd 4.1. But I need to find out how > reliable are > all the components. Letting the system up without really > running anything > for 5 days now is hardly what I would call a burn-in. > Just repeatedly run "make -j 8 buildworld" for a day or so. If it survives that, you are in for a long and happy working relationship with that box. Kees Jan ================================================ You are only young once, but you can stay immature all your life. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 6 5:38:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35B9937B66E; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 05:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e96C5hW02376; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:05:43 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:05:42 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Mark Ovens Cc: Michael Lucas , Rick Hamell , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Message-ID: <20001006130542.B2330@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20001005170958.A80200@blackhelicopters.org> <200010052259.e95MxPi18991@pike.osd.bsdi.com> <20001006001858.B252@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001006001858.B252@parish>; from marko@freebsd.org on Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 12:18:58AM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 12:18:58AM +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > Are there any plans to set up distribution of these 2 books (and any more > you may publish) in mainstream bookshops outside the US (e.g. Europe). If > you search for either book on the websites of any major UK bookshops > (Dillons, Waterstones, Blackwells etc) they always come back "not found". Great idea, and it needs to happen. Work is in progress on this. Discussions are taking place, meetings with distributors are happening. I can't talk about specifics, or timescales, but this is an issue that is being worked on. Feel free to go in to Dillons et al, and ask them why they don't carry the book you want to buy. Sooner or later they'll notice that "FreeBSD" keeps coming up as a search time on their internal inventory system, and that'll assist the process we're going through. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 6 13:52:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from milkyway.org (a98210.ntown.com [208.245.98.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CAA937B670; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rigel.milkyway.org (rigel.milkyway.org [205.241.194.19]) by milkyway.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA86240; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:03:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from toby@milkyway.org) Received: by rigel.milkyway.org with Microsoft Mail id <01C02FB5.A5ADF100@rigel.milkyway.org>; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:51:18 -0400 Message-ID: <01C02FB5.A5ADF100@rigel.milkyway.org> From: Toby Swanson To: "'Terry Lambert'" , "Robert A. Bruce" Cc: Michael Lucas , Rick Hamell , "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" , "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" , "rab@pike.osd.bsdi.com" Subject: RE: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:51:16 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Why not bundle a single CD and a coupon for a free or discounted copy of the latest version? Toby > If you are looking for a publisher, please let me know. BSDi publishes > The FreeBSD Handbook, and The Complete FreeBSD. We are looking for > new BSD books to publish. Some specific topics we are looking for > are corporate/enterprise, ISPs, embedded systems, and security, but we > are happy to consider anything BSD related. FWIW, the last time I was at Fry's, they had a 4.0 version of FreeBSD bundled with the book. Because I was using 4.1, and was willing to pay for the CD set for 4.1, and was willing to support the idea of the book, I would have bought the set, but the media was 4.0. I would have been willing to buy the book seperately. I would have been willing to buy the 4.1 CD set seperately. Bundled as they were, I couldn't really talk myself into buying the set. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 6 18:23:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D0037B502 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 18:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30134 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:30:09 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:30:09 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200010070230.MAA30134@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 6 21:31:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from citusc17.usc.edu (citusc17.usc.edu [128.125.38.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C7F37B502; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc17.usc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01806; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:32:10 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Terry Lambert Cc: Steve Fagan , David Johnson , Joe.Warner@smed.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine? Message-ID: <20001006213210.A1773@citusc17.usc.edu> References: <004501c02d44$31110940$1600010a@pmr.com> <200010032203.PAA27846@usr06.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200010032203.PAA27846@usr06.primenet.com>; from tlambert@primenet.com on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 10:03:56PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 10:03:56PM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > McAfee Antivirus already runs on FreeBSD; last I heard, it > was being updated. /usr/ports/security/vscan for the eval version.. 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 ------=_NextPart_000_0DAC_01C03038.B2107A20-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Oct 7 6:55:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc2.pa.home.com (ha1.rdc2.pa.home.com [24.12.106.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C3B37B503; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 06:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.com ([24.5.226.113]) by mail.rdc2.pa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001007135524.JARA4311.mail.rdc2.pa.home.com@home.com>; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 06:55:24 -0700 Message-ID: <39DF47A5.88CD93FC@home.com> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 08:56:21 -0700 From: Christian Ambrose X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advoacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) References: <200010042150.OAA03151@usr06.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know, I think that dummy magazine would be a lot of fun to create, and everyone could submit ideas. In my message, I was laying out what should be in there. One more thing. By now, is it not only fair the include the "other" BSDs maling lists in this discussion? Christian P.S. I am not quite sure if this message applied to me or not, but it bothered me. Terry Lambert wrote: > > > I, for one, would be a lot less interested in a magazine that catered > > exclusively to newbies. > > A "dummy magazine" is a "mockup of the magazine", not a magazine > for dummies. > > 8-) > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message