From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 3: 6:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from d1o855.telia.com (d1o855.telia.com [213.64.234.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14EEE37B502 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 03:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hemmabjsuf2ufs (h106n4fls31o855.telia.com [213.64.237.106]) by d1o855.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA25588 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 12:06:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000e01c0310e$a3896e90$6aed40d5@hemmabjsuf2ufs> From: "Mikael Larsson" To: "freebsd" Subject: Mulitple os (windows 2000, Linux and freebsd). Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 12:00:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0311F.669B12C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0311F.669B12C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! I wish to install multiple os on my computer. There where no problem = when I had windows 98 and freebsd on two harddisks. Now I will install = it on one harddisk (30 G), where windows 2000 is installe in the first = 9G in the harddisk. I asume that I should not install freebsd or Linux = bootmanager, I should use windows bootmanager. And there are some file = in windows that I must edit, so windows bootmanager can start freebsd or = Linux. I can not find ay information in the freebsd handbook aubot this, = so if somebody knows where to find information or know how to solve my = problem, I am grateful. Next questions is that I wrote that freebsd must be installe "above" 8G = on the harddisk, is this true?=20 Mike ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0311F.669B12C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi!
I wish to install multiple os on my = computer. There=20 where no problem when I had windows 98 and freebsd on two = harddisks. Now I=20 will install it on one harddisk (30 = G), where=20 windows 2000 is installe in the first = 9G in the=20 harddisk. I asume that I should not install freebsd or Linux = bootmanager, I=20 should use windows bootmanager. And there are some file in windows = that I=20 must edit, so windows bootmanager can start freebsd or Linux. = I can=20 not find ay information in the freebsd handbook aubot this, so if = somebody knows=20 where to find information or know how to solve my problem, I am=20 grateful.
Next questions is that I wrote that = freebsd must be=20 installe "above" 8G on the harddisk, is this true?
 
Mike
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0311F.669B12C0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 3: 9:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp24.singnet.com.sg (smtp24.singnet.com.sg [165.21.101.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B681E37B503; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 03:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netserver01 (ad202.166.107.217.magix.com.sg [202.166.107.217]) by smtp24.singnet.com.sg (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e98AAVj04686; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:10:31 +0800 (SGT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20001008180845.013da4c0@smtp.magix.com.sg> X-Sender: spades@smtp.magix.com.sg X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 18:08:45 +0800 To: "freebsd" From: Spades Subject: portman Cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is portmap essential to a system? Can i do without it? My portmap loads on startup..how to disable it? Spades. ------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 3:25: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837D537B66D for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 03:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by charlie.cns.iit.edu (SGI-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA63524; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 05:17:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 05:17:31 -0500 From: "Benjamin M. Manes" To: Mikael Larsson Cc: freebsd Subject: Re: Mulitple os (windows 2000, Linux and freebsd). In-Reply-To: <000e01c0310e$a3896e90$6aed40d5@hemmabjsuf2ufs> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > questions is that I wrote that freebsd must be installe "above" 8G on > the harddisk, is this true? > > Mike Yep, it is or was. The OS must be installed/booted before the 1024 cylinder. If it isn't, then the system will simply hault and not boot. I believe someone said earlier on here that this was going to be fixed, but I really don't remember. You simply need to install it before the cylinder, so the slice can span over if you wish. Windows/dos have this limitation too. Ben To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 3:33:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from static.unixfreak.org (static.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6592E37B66C; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 03:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by static.unixfreak.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9E06D1F1C; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 03:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: portman In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20001008180845.013da4c0@smtp.magix.com.sg> "from Spades at Oct 8, 2000 06:08:45 pm" To: Spades Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 03:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd , questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Dima Dorfman Reply-To: dima@unixfreak.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20001008103351.9E06D1F1C@static.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Is portmap essential to a system? If you are using RPC (NFS, NIS, r* commands, etc.), yes. > > Can i do without it? If you're not using RPC it isn't needed. See above. > > My portmap loads on startup..how to disable it? Add: portmap_enable="NO" to your /etc/rc.conf and reboot. Or use `killall -TERM portmap` if you don't want to reboot (you still have to add the above entry to rc.conf to avoid having it restart when you do). Hope this helps -- Dima Dorfman Finger dima@unixfreak.org for my public PGP key. "The way to love anything is to realize that it might be lost." -- Gilbert K. Chesterton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 3:34:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp23.singnet.com.sg (smtp23.singnet.com.sg [165.21.101.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170F437B672; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 03:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netserver01 (ad202.166.107.217.magix.com.sg [202.166.107.217]) by smtp23.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA14598; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:34:08 +0800 (envelope-from spades@galaxynet.org) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20001008183319.00af1dd0@smtp.magix.com.sg> X-Sender: spades@smtp.magix.com.sg X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 18:33:24 +0800 To: "freebsd" From: Spades Subject: watch Cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org # watch watch: fatal: cannot open snoop device any idea? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 3:35:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from trill.hh.se (trill.hh.se [194.47.5.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7663F37B503; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 03:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gs177.gsten.hh.se (chip@gs177.gsten.hh.se [194.47.16.177]) by trill.hh.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03771; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 12:35:21 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20001008180845.013da4c0@smtp.magix.com.sg> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 12:35:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Joel Bjork To: Spades Subject: RE: portman Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 08-Oct-00 Spades wrote: > Is portmap essential to a system? > > Can i do without it? > > My portmap loads on startup..how to disable it? > > > Spades. questions@FreeBSD.ORG and freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG are the same lists, no need to send them to both. Please don't crosspost either, this does not belong on freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG. As for your question, man portmap should answer it. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Joel Bjork Date: 08-Oct-00 Time: 12:35:21 ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 3:36:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from static.unixfreak.org (static.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4370137B502; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 03:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by static.unixfreak.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 175141F24; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 03:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: watch In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20001008183319.00af1dd0@smtp.magix.com.sg> "from Spades at Oct 8, 2000 06:33:24 pm" To: Spades Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 03:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd , questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Dima Dorfman Reply-To: dima@unixfreak.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20001008103627.175141F24@static.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > # watch > watch: fatal: cannot open snoop device > > > any idea? Do you have 'pseudo-device snp' in your kernel config? Do you have '/dev/snp?' entries? Hope this helps -- Dima Dorfman Finger dima@unixfreak.org for my public PGP key. "Love is like pi--natural, irrational, and very important." -- Lisa Hoffman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 3:42:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f259.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3990837B503 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 03:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 03:42:41 -0700 Received: from 208.191.38.55 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 10:42:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.191.38.55] From: "That Guy" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Same OS going to a different processor Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 10:42:41 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2000 10:42:41.0997 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C3EC7D0:01C03114] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I had FreeBSD running on a pII, and I just changed over the processor to the other machine, a k6-2, and I when I boot up I get an error that the CPU class isn't configured. What should I edit in the kernel? Thanks Josh _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 4:36:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailg.telia.com (mailg.telia.com [194.22.194.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED74037B503 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 04:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ents02 (t5o90p111.telia.com [213.64.7.111]) by mailg.telia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA13518; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:36:27 +0200 (CEST) From: "James A Wilde" To: "That Guy" , Subject: RE: Same OS going to a different processor Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:36:52 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c0311c$0d8cf200$8208a8c0@iqunlimited.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It sounds like you have compiled a new kernel? I seem to remember that the PII required the i686 statement in Generic (or whatever you have renamed generic to) whereas the k6-2 only requires the i586 statement. Just a 2-cent suggestion. mvh/regards James > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of That Guy > Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2000 12:43 > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Same OS going to a different processor > > > I had FreeBSD running on a pII, and I just changed over the > processor to the > other machine, a k6-2, and I when I boot up I get an error that the CPU > class isn't configured. What should I edit in the kernel? Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 6:10:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from d1o855.telia.com (d1o855.telia.com [213.64.234.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7204137B502 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 06:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hemmabjsuf2ufs (h106n4fls31o855.telia.com [213.64.237.106]) by d1o855.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA06661; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:10:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <005e01c03128$52d30d70$6aed40d5@hemmabjsuf2ufs> From: "Mikael Larsson" To: "Benjamin M. Manes" Cc: "freebsd" References: Subject: Re: Mulitple os (windows 2000, Linux and freebsd). Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:04:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > questions is that I wrote that freebsd must be installe "above" 8G = on > > the harddisk, is this true? > >=20 > > Mike >=20 > Yep, it is or was. The OS must be installed/booted before the 1024 > cylinder. If it isn't, then the system will simply hault and not boot. = I > believe someone said earlier on here that this was going to be fixed, = but > I really don't remember. You simply need to install it before the > cylinder, so the slice can span over if you wish. Windows/dos have = this > limitation too. >=20 > Ben >=20 Thanks for your ansver Ben. If I put another disk(slave) on my computer, will I be possible to = install freebsd then. Or do I have to increase my windows partion to = less then 8G anyway? Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 6:37:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE (nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.131.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60EF37B66C for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 06:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dunkelkammer.void (actually dial-142009.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE) by nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE via smtp-local with SMTP; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:37:06 +0200 Received: by dunkelkammer.void (Postfix, from userid 910) id CDD5822C99; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:34:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dunkelkammer.void (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77A622C98; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:34:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:34:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Stefan Walter X-Sender: stefan@dunkelkammer.void To: Mikael Larsson Cc: freebsd Subject: Re: Mulitple os (windows 2000, Linux and freebsd). In-Reply-To: <005e01c03128$52d30d70$6aed40d5@hemmabjsuf2ufs> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Mikael Larsson wrote: > > > questions is that I wrote that freebsd must be installe "above" 8G on > > > the harddisk, is this true? > > > > > > Mike > > > > Yep, it is or was. The OS must be installed/booted before the 1024 > > cylinder. If it isn't, then the system will simply hault and not boot. I > > believe someone said earlier on here that this was going to be fixed, but > > I really don't remember. You simply need to install it before the > > cylinder, so the slice can span over if you wish. Windows/dos have this > > limitation too. > > > > Ben > > > > Thanks for your ansver Ben. > > If I put another disk(slave) on my computer, will I be possible to install freebsd then. Or do I have to increase my windows partion to less then 8G anyway? > > Mike Should work fine with the second disk, I have my box set up that way, too. You can boot from the second disk via the bootloader then. Regards, SW -- this moonlit night, late October's swirling fog-gloom and as promised, my love did rise - from the green light... http://transfer.to/dunkelkammer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 7:33:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 434B537B503 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 07:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6701 invoked by alias); 8 Oct 2000 14:33:08 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-FreeBSD-newbies@freeBSD.org@fixme Received: (qmail 6683 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 2000 14:33:07 -0000 Received: from badialup156.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.225.236.156) by slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 8 Oct 2000 14:33:07 -0000 Message-ID: <39E084A8.3D20844@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 08:28:56 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-newbies@freeBSD.org, FreeBSD-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Without BSD...(humor) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You know those Karl's Jr. commercials where the guy walks into a grocery store and stares blankly at a shelf of a hundred or so brands of bread? Now picture the same guy walking into a computer or software store, staring blankly at a shelf of Linux distributions.... 1. http://www.topology.org/linux.html#os 2. http://bsd.reedmedia.net/Distributions/ .."Without BSD, some people would use Windows!." -- FreeBSD = The Power to Serve ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 8:44: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from d1o855.telia.com (d1o855.telia.com [213.64.234.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4782337B502 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 08:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hemmabjsuf2ufs (h106n4fls31o855.telia.com [213.64.237.106]) by d1o855.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA20439; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 17:43:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <008101c0313d$c6ed7230$6aed40d5@hemmabjsuf2ufs> From: "Mikael Larsson" To: "Stefan Walter" Cc: "freebsd" References: Subject: Re: Mulitple os (windows 2000, Linux and freebsd). Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 17:17:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > questions is that I wrote that freebsd must be installe "above" = 8G on > > > > the harddisk, is this true? > > > >=20 > > > > Mike > > >=20 > > > Yep, it is or was. The OS must be installed/booted before the 1024 > > > cylinder. If it isn't, then the system will simply hault and not = boot. I > > > believe someone said earlier on here that this was going to be = fixed, but > > > I really don't remember. You simply need to install it before the > > > cylinder, so the slice can span over if you wish. Windows/dos have = this > > > limitation too. > > >=20 > > > Ben > > >=20 > >=20 > > Thanks for your ansver Ben. > >=20 > > If I put another disk(slave) on my computer, will I be possible to = install freebsd then. Or do I have to increase my windows partion to = less then 8G anyway? > >=20 > > Mike > Should work fine with the second disk, I have my box set up that way, > too. You can boot from the second disk via the bootloader then. >=20 > Regards, > SW Hi SW and thanks for the ansver. If I understand you right, should I install freebsd and freebsds = easyboot at the second disk. Then it is possible to boot freebsd and = windows from easyboot. Are there no problem with windows 2000 bootloader = then. Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 9: 2:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE (nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.131.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0AB37B503 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dunkelkammer.void (actually dial-142009.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE) by nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE via smtp-local with SMTP; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:02:28 +0200 Received: by dunkelkammer.void (Postfix, from userid 910) id 758ED22B78; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 17:59:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dunkelkammer.void (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9154222A73 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 17:59:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 17:59:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Stefan Walter X-Sender: stefan@dunkelkammer.void To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mulitple os (windows 2000, Linux and freebsd). In-Reply-To: <008101c0313d$c6ed7230$6aed40d5@hemmabjsuf2ufs> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Mikael Larsson wrote: > If I understand you right, should I install freebsd and freebsds easyboot at the second disk. Then it is possible to boot freebsd and windows from easyboot. Are there no problem with windows 2000 bootloader then. > > Mike To be honest, I've never seen or worked with the Win2000 bootloader. If it's similar to NT's bootloader, you should use it to load FreeBSD from the second drive, and not overwrite the MBR with FreeBSD's bootloader. Makes things easier, I guess. Regards, SW -- Every program has two purposes - one for which it was written and another for which it wasn't. http://transfer.to/dunkelkammer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 9:17:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from clyde.goodleaf.net (piscator.seanet.com [199.181.165.218]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A166C37B502 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by clyde.goodleaf.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F2FF95BBA; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:16:06 -0700 (PDT) References: In-Reply-To: From: goodleaf@goodleaf.net To: "That Guy" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Same OS going to a different processor Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 16:16:06 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20001008161606.F2FF95BBA@clyde.goodleaf.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There are quite a few CPU options, all things considered. I think the other responder is correct in saying you need to use the i586 option and not i686. But I would read through /sys/i386/conf/LINT to gather in all the possibilities. (I think the CPU options are all near the beginning of the file.) I know there are a bunch of Cyrix-specific options, and it wouldn't surprise me at all to find there are k6-2 options... -John That Guy writes: > I had FreeBSD running on a pII, and I just changed over the processor to the > other machine, a k6-2, and I when I boot up I get an error that the CPU > class isn't configured. What should I edit in the kernel? Thanks > > Josh > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 9:30:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from inga.augusta.de (inga.augusta.de [213.179.139.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B97537B503 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from case@localhost) by inga.augusta.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16742; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:26:46 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:26:46 +0200 From: Wolfgang Kess To: Greg Lehey , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Complete FreeBSD book Message-ID: <20001008182646.A16163@inga.augusta.de> References: <8525696E.00611E56.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> <20001005115811.A12234@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001005115811.A12234@wantadilla.lemis.com>; from grog@lemis.com on Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 11:58:11AM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > hmm.... have the book at home, and i could have sworn it had a list > > of urls to down load it from at the beginning .... will look it up > > tonight > > Years ago I made a PostScript draft of the second edition available to > reviewers. One of them abused this and made it generally available, > which wasn't at all the intention. > > Greg yes, I got one of the PostScript copy too. But I never tried to print 1750 pages, so I bought this great book ;-) However it is nice to carry the lightweight "illegal" File on my Psion PDA. Wolfgang To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 10:14: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C5C2437B503 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27044 invoked by uid 1003); 8 Oct 2000 17:13:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 19:13:56 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Joe Warner Cc: FreeBSD-newbies@freeBSD.org, FreeBSD-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Without BSD...(humor) Message-ID: <20001008191356.A24008@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <39E084A8.3D20844@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <39E084A8.3D20844@uswest.net>; from jswarner@uswest.net on Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 08:28:56AM -0600 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun 2000-10-08 (08:28), Joe Warner wrote: > You know those Karl's Jr. commercials where the guy > walks into a grocery store and stares blankly at a shelf > of a hundred or so brands of bread? > > Now picture the same guy walking into a computer or > software store, staring blankly at a shelf of Linux > distributions.... > > 1. http://www.topology.org/linux.html#os A better list is at http://www.ldl.cx/ - Linux distribution list: ``The LDL currently holds 180 distributions - 9 added and 1 updated since last update'' Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 11:38:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (mail1.rdc3.on.home.com [24.2.9.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3C337B503 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from computer.org ([24.114.74.5]) by mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001008183854.GTWL25343.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@computer.org> for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:38:54 -0700 Message-ID: <39E0BFD5.A9383843@computer.org> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 14:41:26 -0400 From: Tom Dzuba X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 11:53:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mint.nl.gxn.net (mint.nl.gxn.net [62.100.30.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7315837B502 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from null.net(ap02-d09-237.dial.freesurf.nl[62.100.22.237]) (553 bytes) by mint.nl.gxn.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:53:23 +0200 (MET DST) (Smail-3.2.0.106-3 1999-Mar-31 #11 built DST-Sep-7) Message-ID: <39E0C1F7.999C3288@null.net> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 20:50:31 +0200 From: Moussy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscibe freebsd-newbies To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 13:43:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost01.reflexnet.net (mailhost01.reflexnet.net [64.6.192.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDEE737B66C; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com ([64.6.211.149]) by mailhost01.reflexnet.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:42:30 -0700 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by 149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e98Khdh83664; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:43:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:43:39 -0700 From: "Crist J . Clark" To: Dima Dorfman Cc: Spades , freebsd , questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: portman Message-ID: <20001008134339.X25121@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <3.0.32.20001008180845.013da4c0@smtp.magix.com.sg> <20001008103351.9E06D1F1C@static.unixfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20001008103351.9E06D1F1C@static.unixfreak.org>; from dima@unixfreak.org on Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 03:33:51AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 03:33:51AM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > > Is portmap essential to a system? > > If you are using RPC (NFS, NIS, r* commands, etc.), yes. Small point, portmap has nothing to do with the r* (rsh, rlogin, rcp, rexec) commands. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@alum.mit.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 13:53:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6BC37B66E for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunshine (fw-1-e3.atl3.mindspring.net [207.69.227.161]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA10917 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004501c03169$da335c20$8b4810ac@internal.mindspring.com> From: "John Terris" To: Subject: root access Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:26:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C03144.89DA5BE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C03144.89DA5BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I installed BSD 2.2.7 and everything went fine. . . .except for the = fact that I can't seem to get root access. I set up my user login info = just fine, but I wasnt prompted for root login setup during config, only = password (which I did config). I am TOTALLY new to BSD so I'm thinking = that it was just my inexperience. How do you set up root login (name = only, not password) during install? Can you config that after install? = How? thanks, john terris =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C03144.89DA5BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
     I installed = BSD 2.2.7 and=20 everything went fine. . . .except for the fact that I can't seem to get = root=20 access. I set up my user login info just fine, but I wasnt prompted = for=20 root login setup during config, only password (which I did config). I am = TOTALLY=20 new to BSD so I'm thinking that it was just my inexperience. How do = you set=20 up root login (name only, not password) during install? Can you config = that=20 after install? How?
 
 
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john terris   =
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C03144.89DA5BE0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 14:12:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE (nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.131.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93C737B66C for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 14:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dunkelkammer.void (actually dial-142009.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE) by nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE via smtp-local with SMTP; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:12:24 +0200 Received: by dunkelkammer.void (Postfix, from userid 910) id 46DEC22C85; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:10:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dunkelkammer.void (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC54022A71 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:10:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:10:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Stefan Walter X-Sender: stefan@dunkelkammer.void To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: root access In-Reply-To: <004501c03169$da335c20$8b4810ac@internal.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, John Terris wrote: > Hi, > I installed BSD 2.2.7 and everything went fine. . . .except for the fact that I can't seem to get root access. I set up my user login info just fine, but I wasnt prompted for root login setup during config, only password (which I did config). I am TOTALLY new to BSD so I'm thinking that it was just my inexperience. How do you set up root login (name only, not password) during install? Can you config that after install? How? > > > thanks, > > john terris root's name is 'root'. Do you mean FreeBSD 2.2.7? Maybe you should try a more recent version... Regards, SW -- Also, mir ist da noch Einiges unklar... http://transfer.to/dunkelkammer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 16:42:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from citusc17.usc.edu (citusc17.usc.edu [128.125.38.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C023A37B503; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:42:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc17.usc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA36434; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:43:14 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: Joe Warner , FreeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Without BSD...(humor) Message-ID: <20001008164313.A36415@citusc17.usc.edu> References: <39E084A8.3D20844@uswest.net> <20001008191356.A24008@mithrandr.moria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001008191356.A24008@mithrandr.moria.org>; from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org on Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 07:13:56PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 07:13:56PM +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > On Sun 2000-10-08 (08:28), Joe Warner wrote: > > You know those Karl's Jr. commercials where the guy > > walks into a grocery store and stares blankly at a shelf > > of a hundred or so brands of bread? > > > > Now picture the same guy walking into a computer or > > software store, staring blankly at a shelf of Linux > > distributions.... > > > > 1. http://www.topology.org/linux.html#os > > A better list is at http://www.ldl.cx/ - Linux distribution list: > > ``The LDL currently holds 180 distributions - 9 added and 1 updated since > last update'' ..but since Linux isn't, of course, fragmented, this is all okay. :-) Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 21:13:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.ovis.net (ns1.ovis.net [207.0.147.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0AC937B502 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ovis.net (s7.pm5.ovis.net [207.0.147.74]) by ns1.ovis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21269; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 00:12:09 -0400 Message-ID: <39E147CE.9E703A95@ovis.net> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:21:34 -0400 From: Steve Kudlak Reply-To: chromexa@ovis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD ezn/58/n (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Fagan Cc: Peter Salvage , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) References: <003801c02f05$3b639da0$a301a8c0@p3wayne> <086101c02f07$02bea920$0200a8c0@ait.co.za> <01a501c02f07$35fca440$1600010a@pmr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steve Fagan wrote: > Add me to the list if you make one. I am very interested in the topic. I > never would have know about the book due out in Dec. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Salvage" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:01 PM > Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > > If anyone is interested, I'm more than happy to create a list for this > > topic, as I feel it's quite important. > > > > /wiZZ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wayne Sheppard" > > To: > > Sent: 05 October 2000 09:47 > > Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > > > > > > Does this magazine stuff really belong on freebsd-newbies? I have no > idea > > > what belongs here, but 100+ messages about creating a BSD magazine seems > > too > > > many for a list.designed for * newbies activities * > > > > > > Please don't flame me. If this topic is appropriate for this list, I'll > > > just unsubscribe quietly. > > > > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > FYI, here is the list charter: > > > > > > FREEBSD-NEWBIES > > > Newbies activities discussion > > > > > > We cover any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt > with > > > elsewhere, including: independent learning and problem solving > techniques, > > > finding and using resources and asking for help elsewhere, how to use > > > mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, > > > boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and > > > taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and > > > support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet > > > others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message Sounds like an idea tome. I can still tell from the posters and headers, a nice little mailinglist list of its own would be excellent. This would make it all a bit clearer. And those wanting newbie discussions would be able to get to it all quickly. Have Fun, Sends Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 8 21:20:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 86BE737B503 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27913 invoked by alias); 9 Oct 2000 04:20:06 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 27903 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2000 04:20:05 -0000 Received: from badialup249.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.225.236.249) by slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 9 Oct 2000 04:20:05 -0000 Message-ID: <39E14679.E882989A@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 22:15:53 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd newbies , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: BSD Magazine Project (Update) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hope everybody had a good weekend... Here's a positive response I got from Daniel Dalarossa at >Dear Joe, >Very good to know that the BSD community is considering a >magazine dedicated to them. >We do support all BSD OSs in our products and would be interested in >advertising in such magazine. Please send us the conditions for the ADs. >Regards, >Daniel D ..Talk to you all tomorrow. Joe -- FreeBSD = The Power to Serve ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 9 10: 0:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.powersurge.net (mercury.powersurge.net [216.218.200.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA9F37B66C for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from friley-171-233.stures.iastate.edu ([129.186.171.233] helo=irix) by mercury.powersurge.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #1) id 13igHU-00076K-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 10:00:04 -0700 From: "Adam M Ryan" To: Subject: Linksys 10/100 PCMCIA card Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:59:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a compaq presario 1625 and a linksys 10/100 PCMCIA card. I have just installed the latest release of FreeBSD. I can't get the PCMCIA card to work, the card was tried on a windows laptop and it is working. dmesg does see the card is inserted into the slot, but nothing else. Also I am suppose to use dhcp, is that line in the rc.conf dhcp_enbable="YES"? What do I need to add to the kernel to get this ethernet card to work? Thanks Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 9 10:58:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from topaz.ocn.ne.jp (topaz.ocn.ne.jp [210.232.239.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1385637B502 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x44ue6ea (p0350-ip01kyoto.kyoto.ocn.ne.jp [211.123.235.96]) by topaz.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id CAA25847 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 02:57:28 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <701.971114328810@topaz.ocn.ne.jp> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 02:58:48 +0900 (JST) From: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCJTUlLyU7JTklKyVzJVElSyE8GyhC?= To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCRk1BMyROJWEhPCVrPDpOaUNXJDckXiQ5GyhC?==?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCISNLXEV2JEskKkZAJEo+cEpzJEckOSEjGyhC?==?iso-2022-jp?B??= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset =iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 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Webmasters : ZE CONCOURS ! http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/concours.emailif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 10 3:37:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.eisa.net.au (melb-mail.eisa.net.au [203.166.224.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7372C37B502 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 03:37:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from computer (pppm16-30.eisa.net.au [203.42.188.150]) by smtp.eisa.net.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA23913; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:36:45 +1100 Reply-To: From: "Mark Harrop" To: , "Steve Fagan" Cc: "Peter Salvage" , Subject: RE: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:36:25 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39E147CE.9E703A95@ovis.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: High Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all... I hate to post a "me too" email...but pls add my name to the list also ;-) Cheers! Mark Harrop maharrop@eisa.net.au > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Steve Kudlak > Sent: Monday, 9 October 2000 14:22 > To: Steve Fagan > Cc: Peter Salvage; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > > > > Steve Fagan wrote: > > > Add me to the list if you make one. I am very interested in > the topic. I > > never would have know about the book due out in Dec. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Salvage" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:01 PM > > Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > > > > If anyone is interested, I'm more than happy to create a list for this > > > topic, as I feel it's quite important. > > > > > > /wiZZ > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Wayne Sheppard" > > > To: > > > Sent: 05 October 2000 09:47 > > > Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > > > > > > > > > Does this magazine stuff really belong on freebsd-newbies? > I have no > > idea > > > > what belongs here, but 100+ messages about creating a BSD > magazine seems > > > too > > > > many for a list.designed for * newbies activities * > > > > > > > > Please don't flame me. If this topic is appropriate for > this list, I'll > > > > just unsubscribe quietly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > FYI, here is the list charter: > > > > > > > > FREEBSD-NEWBIES > > > > Newbies activities discussion > > > > > > > > We cover any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt > > with > > > > elsewhere, including: independent learning and problem solving > > techniques, > > > > finding and using resources and asking for help elsewhere, > how to use > > > > mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, > > > > boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) > support, and > > > > taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our > problems and > > > > support questions to freebsd-questions, and use > freebsd-newbies to meet > > > > others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > Sounds like an idea tome. I can still tell from the posters and > headers, a nice > little mailinglist list of its own would be excellent. This would > make it all a > bit clearer. And those wanting newbie discussions would be able > to get to it all > quickly. > > Have Fun, > Sends Steve > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 10 4:48:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CED4E37B503 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 04:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9514 invoked by alias); 10 Oct 2000 11:48:07 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 9478 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2000 11:48:06 -0000 Received: from badialup253.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.225.236.253) by slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 11:48:06 -0000 Message-ID: <39E300FE.3510B43E@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 05:43:58 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd newbies , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Mysterious URL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, Does anybody know why this URL: http://www.ihatelinux.com/ ..authenticates to microsoft.com? I don't hate Linux but was just wondering who did this and why. Cheers Joe -- FreeBSD = The Power to Serve ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 10 4:56:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1665B37B502; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 04:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32109; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:55:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Joe Warner Cc: freebsd newbies , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mysterious URL References: <39E300FE.3510B43E@uswest.net> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 10 Oct 2000 13:55:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: Joe Warner's message of "Tue, 10 Oct 2000 05:43:58 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 37 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe Warner writes: > Does anybody know why this URL: > > http://www.ihatelinux.com/ > > ..authenticates to microsoft.com? You mean it redirects HTTP requests to www.microsoft.com. Anybody can do that, it doesn't mean there's any relationship between Tim Fries (owner of the ihatelinux.com domain) and Microsoft. des@des ~% telnet www.ihatelinux.com http Trying 216.122.88.119... Connected to ihatelinux.com. Escape character is '^]'. GET / HTTP/1.1 Host: www.ihatelinux.com User-Agent: telnet Connection: close HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:51:30 GMT Server: Apache/1.3.1.1 SSL/1.15 PHP/4.0b2 Location: http://www.microsoft.com Connection: close Transfer-Encoding: chunked Content-Type: application/x-httpd-cgi 0 Connection closed by foreign host. (BTW, that box has a telnet server running) DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 10 6: 8:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B888737B66C; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 06:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0314B161BC; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22458; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:08:08 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:07:53 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256974.0047F8E2 ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:06:07 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd newbies , Joe Warner Message-Id: <85256974.0047F63D.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:08:36 -0600 Subject: Re: Mysterious URL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >You mean it redirects HTTP requests to www.microsoft.com. Yeah, exactly. I just used "authenticates" because I figured mostly everyone would know what I was talking about. Plus..(less typing). Steve Price writes: > I can't say for sure, but the funny thing (to me at least) is > that this appears to be hosted on BSD/OS according to NetCraft. Indeed. That's the one thing I forgot to check (netcraft). Joe |--------+-----------------------> | | Dag-Erling | | | Smorgrav | | | | | | | | | 10/10/00 | | | 05:55 AM | | | | |--------+-----------------------> >---------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: Joe Warner | | cc: freebsd newbies | | , | | freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, (bcc: Joe Warner/SMS) | | Subject: Re: Mysterious URL | >---------------------------------------------------------| Joe Warner writes: > Does anybody know why this URL: > > http://www.ihatelinux.com/ > > ..authenticates to microsoft.com? You mean it redirects HTTP requests to www.microsoft.com. Anybody can do that, it doesn't mean there's any relationship between Tim Fries (owner of the ihatelinux.com domain) and Microsoft. des@des ~% telnet www.ihatelinux.com http Trying 216.122.88.119... Connected to ihatelinux.com. Escape character is '^]'. GET / HTTP/1.1 Host: www.ihatelinux.com User-Agent: telnet Connection: close HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:51:30 GMT Server: Apache/1.3.1.1 SSL/1.15 PHP/4.0b2 Location: http://www.microsoft.com Connection: close Transfer-Encoding: chunked Content-Type: application/x-httpd-cgi 0 Connection closed by foreign host. (BTW, that box has a telnet server running) DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 10 6: 9:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D379937B503; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 06:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32464; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:09:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Joe.Warner@smed.com Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd newbies , Joe Warner Subject: Re: Mysterious URL References: <85256974.0047F63D.00@Deimos.smed.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 10 Oct 2000 15:09:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: Joe.Warner@smed.com's message of "Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:08:36 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 18 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe.Warner@smed.com writes: > > You mean it redirects HTTP requests to www.microsoft.com. > Yeah, exactly. I just used "authenticates" because I > figured mostly everyone would know what I was talking > about. Plus..(less typing). Except that it means something totally different. > Steve Price writes: > > I can't say for sure, but the funny thing (to me at least) is > > that this appears to be hosted on BSD/OS according to NetCraft. > Indeed. That's the one thing I forgot to check (netcraft). It's hosted on vservers.com. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 10 6:10:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-1.core.com (mx1.core.com [208.40.40.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF41637B66C; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 06:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gwb13 ([216.214.175.197]) by smtp-1.core.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G27U2R01.Z3K; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:13:39 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01c032bb$78f6fea0$0200a8c0@gwb13> From: "greg" To: "Joe Warner" Cc: , References: <39E300FE.3510B43E@uswest.net> Subject: Re: Mysterious URL Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:10:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Disposition-Notification-To: "greg" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Organization: Tim Fries address: 869 N. Scheurman Rd. #516 Essexville, MI 48732 US Admin contact: Fries, Timothy email: root@CHESTERKARMA.COM phone: 517 8951440 fax: Tech contact: DNS Administrator email: DNS@NAMESERVE.NET phone: fax: 425 6431477 Nameservers: ns1.nameserve.net ns2.nameserve.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Warner" To: "freebsd newbies" ; Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:43 AM Subject: Mysterious URL > Greetings, > > Does anybody know why this URL: > > http://www.ihatelinux.com/ > > ..authenticates to microsoft.com? > > I don't hate Linux but was just wondering who did this > and why. > > Cheers > > Joe > > > -- > > FreeBSD = The Power to Serve > ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 10 13:35:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C132037B503; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p250.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.250]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA396036; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:31:42 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00290; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:39:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:39:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Joe Warner Cc: freebsd newbies , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mysterious URL In-Reply-To: <39E300FE.3510B43E@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > http://www.ihatelinux.com/ Btw, would you think it should be possible to register a ihatemicrosoft.com domain ? Maybe there is allready something like this.. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 10 14: 3: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.utexas.edu (wb1-a.mail.utexas.edu [128.83.126.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7882437B66D for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6463 invoked by uid 0); 10 Oct 2000 21:02:59 -0000 Received: from chepe.cc.utexas.edu (HELO chepe.mail.utexas.edu) (128.83.135.25) by umbs-smtp-1 with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 21:02:59 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001010155645.00b4c920@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: oscars@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:58:06 -0500 To: Heiko Recktenwald From: Oscar Ricardo Silva Subject: Re: Mysterious URL Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <39E300FE.3510B43E@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Too late: Domain Name: IHATEMICROSOFT.COM Administrative Contact, Billing Contact: Stringer, Efrem (ES3860) efrem@IHATEMICROSOFT.COM The Computrion bbs 716 39th street south Birmingham, AL 35222 205-592-8028 (FAX) 205-592-8028 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Host Master (NETCOMI-WM) domreg@MINDSPRING.COM NETCOM 1607 LBJ Freeway Dallas, TX 75234 US 972-481-5700 Record last updated on 25-Jul-2000. Record expires on 04-Jul-2001. Record created on 03-Jul-1997. Database last updated on 10-Oct-2000 15:42:54 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: NS5.NETCOMI.COM 204.58.155.20 NS6.NETCOMI.COM 204.58.155.21 At 07:39 PM 10/10/00 +0200, Heiko Recktenwald, you wrote: > > http://www.ihatelinux.com/ > >Btw, would you think it should be possible to register a >ihatemicrosoft.com domain ? > >Maybe there is allready something like this.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 10 14:22:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D507237B502; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405461637C; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32145; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:22:15 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:22:14 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256974.00753A98 ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:20:27 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: Heiko Recktenwald Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd newbies , Joe Warner Message-Id: <85256974.00753878.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:22:58 -0600 Subject: Re: Mysterious URL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Uh huh-->http://www.ihatemicrosoft.com Joe |--------+-----------------------------> | | Heiko Recktenwald | | | | | | | | | 10/10/00 11:39 AM | | | | |--------+-----------------------------> >---------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: Joe Warner | | cc: freebsd newbies | | , | | freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, (bcc: Joe Warner/SMS) | | Subject: Re: Mysterious URL | >---------------------------------------------------------| > http://www.ihatelinux.com/ Btw, would you think it should be possible to register a ihatemicrosoft.com domain ? Maybe there is allready something like this.. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 10 14:43: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D7637B670 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:42:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p51.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.51]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA168640; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:39:59 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00405; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:43:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:43:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Oscar Ricardo Silva Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mysterious URL In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001010155645.00b4c920@mail.utexas.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Domain Name: IHATEMICROSOFT.COM So lets hope ICANN stays with that policy. All letters are equal ;-) H. Btw, I did install Win 98 today to test their Mediaplayer (trying to receive BlaTV at http://www.uni-bonn.de/~uzs106/ ), and I was surprised how often they have this "Microsoft" word or label, or "MS". To hammer home what people allready know. The "MS Mediaplayer" can stream mpeg video, but my video/x-mpegurl thing, files with the extension mgu, didnt work. It worked with filelists with the extension m3u, no matter, if you put audio or video into it, but this is no solution. Maybe there should be some "wrapper" for this mediaplayer, that reads the mgu file and gives the URL to the "MS" videoplayer, like the shell script, I have for mtvp here. Shit, I cant program C. Maybe two lines of C code would be enough. Volonteers ? ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 10 15:17:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C59537B503; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p30.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.30]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA409020; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:14:47 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00429; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:49:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:49:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Joe Warner Cc: freebsd newbies , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Magazine Project (Update) In-Reply-To: <39E14679.E882989A@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > FreeBSD = The Power to Serve > ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! No offense intended, but I think our dear and noble OS doesnt need such slogans ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 10 15:40: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D889637B66F; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4E6A; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:43:06 -0700 Message-ID: <39E39A28.62A9F8F2@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:37:28 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heiko Recktenwald Cc: freebsd newbies , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [OT] Rock on! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > > > FreeBSD = The Power to Serve > > ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! > > No offense intended, but I think our dear and noble OS doesnt need > such slogans ;-) Oh but it does! When I come home at night and turn on my FreeBSD box, it pulls out an electric guitar, gets down and does a boogie across the floor. I swear I have Little Richard living in my harddrive :-) David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 10 16: 1:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3CF537B66C; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5398216201; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07714; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:01:22 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:01:02 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256974.007E4710 ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:59:17 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: Heiko Recktenwald Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd newbies , Joe Warner Message-Id: <85256974.007E46ED.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:01:52 -0600 Subject: Re: BSD Magazine Project (Update) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry, I'm keeping my signature. You're the first to criticize and I've sent out lot's of emails. No offense intended either. 8^) Joe |--------+-----------------------------> | | Heiko Recktenwald | | | | | | | | | 10/10/00 03:49 PM | | | | |--------+-----------------------------> >---------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: Joe Warner | | cc: freebsd newbies | | , | | freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, (bcc: Joe | | Warner/SMS) | | Subject: Re: BSD Magazine Project (Update) | >---------------------------------------------------------| > FreeBSD = The Power to Serve > ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! No offense intended, but I think our dear and noble OS doesnt need such slogans ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 10 16: 3:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE83337B503; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FFB1620F; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07818; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:03:25 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:03:16 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256974.007E7A45 ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:01:28 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: David Johnson Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd newbies , Heiko Recktenwald Message-Id: <85256974.007E7892.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:03:59 -0600 Subject: Re: [OT] Rock on! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I swear I have Little Richard living in my harddrive Mine plays RUSH! 8^) Joe |--------+-----------------------> | | David Johnson| | | | | | | | | 10/10/00 | | | 04:37 PM | | | | |--------+-----------------------> >---------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: Heiko Recktenwald | | | | cc: freebsd newbies | | , | | freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, (bcc: Joe | | Warner/SMS) | | Subject: [OT] Rock on! | >---------------------------------------------------------| Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > > > FreeBSD = The Power to Serve > > ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! > > No offense intended, but I think our dear and noble OS doesnt need > such slogans ;-) Oh but it does! When I come home at night and turn on my FreeBSD box, it pulls out an electric guitar, gets down and does a boogie across the floor. I swear I have Little Richard living in my harddrive :-) David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 10 18:45:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72FEF37B66C; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p13.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.13]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA432448; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 03:42:43 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA00471; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 03:45:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 03:45:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: David Johnson Cc: freebsd newbies , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [OT] Rock on! In-Reply-To: <39E39A28.62A9F8F2@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > floor. I swear I have Little Richard living in my harddrive :-) Ok ;-) My idea was something like "less is more". Do we need an attitude like "Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft" ? Some things are clear to everybody, yes, it rocks, indeed, but those who dont want to know cant be helped.... Something like that. Well, I come from europe and the europeans are sometimes a little bit strange. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 11 2:10:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from news.fjtc.edu.tw (news.fjtc.edu.tw [163.15.196.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6302837B503 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 02:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cpfong@localhost) by news.fjtc.edu.tw (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21070 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:07:00 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from cpfong) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:07:00 +0800 From: CP Fong To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscribe freebsd-newbies Message-ID: <20001011170700.A21050@news.fjtc.edu.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org auth e97b28fb subscribe freebsd-newbies \ mailing.freebsd.newbies@news.fjtc.edu.tw To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 11 5:34:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f210.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2074C37B66C; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:34:11 -0700 Received: from 216.78.154.133 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:34:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.78.154.133] From: "stan deese" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Follies Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:34:11 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2000 12:34:11.0940 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F005240:01C0337F] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org
Hi folks
10/10/2000
Be forewarned this may be the first chapter of a book. I'm writing this to relay some of the adventures (pitfalls) I've had with freebsd. Most of this is from memory, so please don't look for absolute accuracy in anything. My memory isn't just clouded, by both residual (illegal), and current (legal) drugs, it's jaded also, so some things I choose not to remember.

Briefly, in '81? I bought my kids an Apple II+, cause I knew the wave was coming. The thing would only stick an A: on the screen. What did I do? I dove into BASIC, DOS, and the bunch at HARDcore. The steps to hacking had been taken, and I was hooked. Later a C64, then, with 286, a pc. By then laws had been passed, banks were being plundered. Me being a family man, I hung up the wardialer. Kept on at my "real" job, and occasionally stopped by the computer shop. I ran across WINDOWS.286, and have had a windows platform since.

I'm getting old, I'm overweight, I'm VERY tired, wet, cold, hungry, broke, ugly, etc., ad nauseum. Due to injury, I'm racked with pain, stress, and high blood pressure. Hence the current drugs. ASIDE from all of that, I really don't feel good.

A while back boredom "really" set in. I thought I would look around for something better than windows to entertain me. DL'd BEos, this has to be good, it's called from windows. It trashed my windows drive to the point I had to format. Ftp'p Redhat, anaconda bailed out with errors right after fips. Next I start looking at FreeBSD, everything I read is great! This has to be the one for me. I fumble around in ftp, find the files and start the transfer on 56k. The remaining time says 373 days, or something like that, finally getting down to 2 or 3 days. I say no way!

I called my isp and ordered DSL. Now I'm getting the speed I feel I deserve! Grabbed the files (4 Hours or so), made the flops and started install. All went great until I startx. Nothing but a grey screen. Tried everything I could figure out. Grey screen. Glitch in the files I say,

I'll try again. This time I get the iso image, can't go wrong, right? Burn the cd and boot, nothing. The file size on cd is 20 megs short of the file size on ftp. Ftp again, this time it works. Clean boot, all goes smooth. I've now got video and everything! Except all the files I can't seem to find.

Next day. I start up, thinking today I'm going to get into bsd, and find out what all the hoopla is about. What I really get is "write timeout on ads1 resetting", FOREVER! Stan, pal, something ain't right here, it's time for a trip to the bookstore. It can't all be my fault, all I did was install the stuff. So I take a couple of pills, and stumble off to the mall.

I find Mr. Lehey's book, the Complete FreeBSD, cd's and all. Perfect. While flipping through I see references to PERL. I grab PERL for Dummies. Before I get to the checkout I happen on Mr. Anderson's, UNIX Secrets. Gotta have that one, it's obvious I need the secrets, since no one else is telling them. Armed with $100 worth of books and fresh cd's I stumble back home.

The obvious place to start is with Greg's book, so I commence to read. The book is full of great information. The problem is that Mr. Lehey is a programmer, and the book is written like a program. (Don't get mad Greg, I'm just telling a story. :-)) (jmp)For more info on this see chapter 12, (rsrgt)for more on that see page 622, (call)be sure to check the ERRATA @freebsd.org. To say I've lost my page is an understatement! ROFL

Anyway, I feel I've read enough to at least install again. I start clean, with the drive (8g seagate) freshly dos formatted, boot from the new cd, and go. This lasted until the disk prep & pkg add was to start. There the system froze. So I brainstorm, and decide to boot from the cd (4.4), and install from the hard drive 4.1 files. It actually worked until I tried to reboot. All the errors in the known computer world flashed on my screen. What do you do? You call and order a new computer. Mammy's been wanting her own computer for some time now, she NEEDS it so she can play backgammon & hearts at Excite. This K62-500 should suffice, shouldn't it? Besides,I want an Athlon. So I order a barebones Athlon 800 w/128m & 20g wd. In the meantime......

I call BSDI and start asking stupid questions, because I don't know the smart questions. You can only get the right answer to the right question, right? Remember, I've been a windows guy for a long time, and that's like doom, when you figure out the maze, you don't need any help.

I was lucky (finally), and got Chris. He walked me through on recovering from the crash. Ran fsck interactively, (through fixit I think) which I haven't been able to do again. And got me back running. It seems there was a problem with the drive, and this line "sysctl -h atamodes= pio,pio,pio,pio" fixed it. Makes sense to me! Problem was that he didn't tell me how to keep the line. Called again and he told me where to put it.;-) (Thanks Chris)

My new computer is here! During the unpacking and taking stock, trying to figure out what I wanted in this new machine, another great revelation came on me! Mammy doesn't need a 20g drive to play hearts & net chat with mom. I'll just stick windows on the 8g, swap with her and she'll never know the difference. Right?

Now I'm set. New stuff, 2 20g's, cd, cdrw, bubblejet, laser, and dsl. Fans all over this box! Sounds like a mainframe room. New install again. Perfect, but I still can't find a lot of files. Like Netscape. I've been lurking on the lists, and saw a lot about buildworld. So I start reading the man pages about it. There's a lot to read, the only solution is to print the stuff. I'd never remember it all. BUT I can't print! I don't have the printer setup.

Back to windows & on to .org, and I print. I print build??????, for a while, link to make & print there for a while. May as well print printer setup too. And, while I'm at it usb, dsl modems, (didn't find anything there)......

Back to buildworld. I read the man pages, and followed the instructions. Didn't work. It stopped on some sort of permission thing. Read some more and did the chflg thing, started over & stopped again at the same place. I had something the good DR. Perlstein had put in the lists, and tried that. Didn't work either. Some directory doesn't exist. Now I'm thinking this build????stuff must have something to do with the files that aren't working so I've GOT to figure it out! I install again! After the 2nd attempt at build I couldn't reboot. With the new install I take DR. Perlsteins notes, and the man pages, and I think figured out what I should have done. All the builds completed, plus it will still boot. (If your reading this Alfred, xanax and sex are really good for irritability. :-))

Now, to this point in time one month has passed since I first started to "headbang" with FreeBSD. Have I learned anything? Probably not, but it's like having a new Apple all over again. My laser printer will now feed blank pages at will. I haven't even started trying to get the modem going. Mammy wants to know why her hard drive is so much "louder" than it used to be. I have Netscape on the desktop, but alas, all the text is in Japanese, and I really don't feel well enough to start on that too.............

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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 11 6:32:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sentry.granch.com (sentry.granch.com [212.109.197.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CFE37B66C for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 06:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sentry.granch.ru (IDENT:shelton@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sentry.granch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00756; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:29:10 +0700 (NOVST) Message-ID: <39E46B26.15F83B21@sentry.granch.ru> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:29:10 +0700 From: "Rashid N. Achilov" Reply-To: achilov@granch.ru Organization: Granch Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Oscar Ricardo Silva Cc: Heiko Recktenwald , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mysterious URL References: <39E300FE.3510B43E@uswest.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20001010155645.00b4c920@mail.utexas.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oscar Ricardo Silva wrote: > > Too late: > > Domain Name: IHATEMICROSOFT.COM > > >Btw, would you think it should be possible to register a > >ihatemicrosoft.com domain ? > > May be go to register iloveunix.com? :-))) -- With Best Regards. Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Brainbench ID: 28514 Granch Ltd. lead engineer, e-mail: achilov@granch.ru tel/fax (383-2) 24-2363 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 11 6:50:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from lh01.opsion.fr (lh01.opsion.fr [212.73.208.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DF49B37B66D for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 06:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 194.51.70.85 [194.51.70.85] by lh01.opsion.fr; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:52:22 GMT Message-ID: <000e01c0338a$7f2e0640$1c01a8c0@aeternet.42> From: "frounay dah pooyoo" To: Subject: Lil' problem Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:52:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0339B.424A7FE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0339B.424A7FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm writing to you for two reasons. First I would like to thank you for support you give to newbies and for = the consideration you give to us. Second I got a problem (exciting isn't it ;p) : My FreeBSD doesn't = recognize my ethernet card which is a SMC EZ 10/100 MBits/sec. I had this problem before but i don't remember how i resolve it. For information all I can configure by using the sysinstall is : - lp0 - sl0 - ppp0 Please help... thank you ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0339B.424A7FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I'm writing to you for two = reasons.
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Webmasters : ZE CONCOURS ! http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/concours.emailif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 11 7:16:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119CA37B66E for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 95307328E; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 06:40:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82356328D; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 06:40:19 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 06:40:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: frounay dah pooyoo Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Lil' problem In-Reply-To: <000e01c0338a$7f2e0640$1c01a8c0@aeternet.42> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please ask questions on -questions, that's what it's for! :) You might also want to check out the handbook as it should have a listing of the drivers and which cards are supported. Rick's FreeBSD Help Site! http://www.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, frounay dah pooyoo wrote: > Hi, > > I'm writing to you for two reasons. First I would like to thank you > for support you give to newbies and for the consideration you give to > us. Second I got a problem (exciting isn't it ;p) : My FreeBSD doesn't > recognize my ethernet card which is a SMC EZ 10/100 MBits/sec. I had > this problem before but i don't remember how i resolve it. For > information all I can configure by using the sysinstall is : - lp0 - > sl0 - ppp0 > > Please help... > > thank you > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 11 8:44:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.utexas.edu (wb3-a.mail.utexas.edu [128.83.126.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BBC2937B502 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16629 invoked by uid 0); 11 Oct 2000 15:44:44 -0000 Received: from chepe.cc.utexas.edu (HELO chepe.mail.utexas.edu) (128.83.135.25) by umbs-smtp-3 with SMTP; 11 Oct 2000 15:44:44 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001011103916.00b439a0@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: oscars@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:39:48 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Oscar Ricardo Silva Subject: Re: Mysterious URL In-Reply-To: <39E46B26.15F83B21@sentry.granch.ru> References: <39E300FE.3510B43E@uswest.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20001010155645.00b4c920@mail.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Once again hat to be the bearer of bad news: > whois iloveunix.com Whois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. Domain Name: ILOVEUNIX.COM Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC. Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com Referral URL: www.networksolutions.com Name Server: NS1.INNERPLEX.NET Name Server: NS2.INNERPLEX.NET Updated Date: 15-oct-1999 >>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 06:41:18 EDT <<< The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and Registrars. The Data in Network Solutions' WHOIS database is provided by Network Solutions for information purposes, and to assist persons in obtaining information about or related to a domain name registration record. Network Solutions does not guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a WHOIS query, you agree that you will use this Data only for lawful purposes and that, under no circumstances will you use this Data to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail (spam); or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that apply to Network Solutions (or its systems). Network Solutions reserves the right to modify these terms at any time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by this policy. Registrant: OSTERMILLER, DANIEL (ILOVEUNIX2-DOM) 920-EAST 66ND STREET INDIANAPOLIS, IN 46220 US Domain Name: ILOVEUNIX.COM Administrative Contact, Billing Contact: OSTERMILLER, DANIEL (DO4657) DOSTERMILLER@ONEXINC.COM OSTERMILLER, DANIEL 920-EAST 66ND STREET INDIANAPOLIS, IN 46220 317 2550045 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: GARCHA, TARLOCHAN (TG5445) REGISTRATIONS@INNERPLEX.COM INNERPLEX, INC. 350 N. GLENOAKS BLVD Burbank , CA 91502 818 972-5900 (FAX) 818 972-5909 Record last updated on 19-Nov-1999. Record expires on 20-Apr-2002. Record created on 19-Nov-1999. Database last updated on 10-Oct-2000 15:42:54 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.INNERPLEX.NET 216.205.25.66 NS2.INNERPLEX.NET 216.205.25.67 At 08:29 PM 10/11/00 +0700, Rashid N. Achilov, you wrote: >Oscar Ricardo Silva wrote: > > > > Too late: > > > > Domain Name: IHATEMICROSOFT.COM > > > > >Btw, would you think it should be possible to register a > > >ihatemicrosoft.com domain ? > > > > >May be go to register iloveunix.com? :-))) >-- > With Best Regards. > Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Brainbench ID: 28514 > Granch Ltd. lead engineer, e-mail: achilov@granch.ru > tel/fax (383-2) 24-2363 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 11 8:53:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sentry.granch.com (sentry.granch.com [212.109.197.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A38137B66C for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sentry.granch.ru (IDENT:shelton@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sentry.granch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01045; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:51:04 +0700 (NOVST) Message-ID: <39E48C68.21DB12F0@sentry.granch.ru> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:51:04 +0700 From: "Rashid N. Achilov" Reply-To: achilov@granch.ru Organization: Granch Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Oscar Ricardo Silva Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mysterious URL References: <39E300FE.3510B43E@uswest.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20001010155645.00b4c920@mail.utexas.edu> <4.3.2.7.2.20001011103916.00b439a0@mail.utexas.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oscar Ricardo Silva wrote: > > Whois Server Version 1.3 > > Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered > with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net > for detailed information. > > Domain Name: ILOVEUNIX.COM > Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC. What a pity :-) But ilovefreebsd.com and/or ilovebsd.com not registered yet :-) -- With Best Regards. Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Brainbench ID: 28514 Granch Ltd. lead engineer, e-mail: achilov@granch.ru tel/fax (383-2) 24-2363 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 11 9:17:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.edata.co.za (mail.edata.co.za [196.35.169.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73B737B503; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from THORNROSE ([196.37.187.142]) by mail.edata.co.za (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA05369; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:45:26 +0200 Reply-To: From: "Eugene van Zyl" To: Cc: Subject: FreeBSD installation question - partitioning Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:16:23 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I've got a hard drive with 2 primary partitions (for booting OS's), and = one big extended partition (type 15 I think) with a logical partition = for sharinf data between OS's. Being familiar with Linux, I thought I'd do the normal /boot partition = below cylinder(?) 1024 and then the /,/var and /usr partitions in the = extented partition, for FreeBSD. e.g. - NTFS: C: - FreeBSD: /boot - Extended Partition -- FreeBSD / -- FreeBSD Swap -- FreeBSD /var -- FreeBSD /usr -- NTFS D: Only problem being that the FreeBSD fdisk and labeling program doesn't = see the logical partitions inside the extended partition! I've already = got a lot of data on the D: partition, so losing the extended partition = is not really an appetising solution. Is the above config possible with FreeBSD or am I stuck? Thanks, Eugene van Zyl eugene@streetcar.com Streetcar Web Commerce (Pty) Ltd Tel : +27 11 880 0433 Fax : +27 11 880 0590 Cell: +27 83 628 8282 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 11 11:21:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3218F37B502 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA18A0; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:24:50 -0700 Message-ID: <39E4AF20.C1A3F49A@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:19:12 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stan deese Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Follies References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org stan deese wrote: > Be forewarned this may be the first chapter of a book. And what an exciting book it will be! I'm really glad you said this upfront otherwise I would have assumed that you were railing against the evils of BSD :-) > Now, to this point in time one month has passed since I first started > to "headbang" with FreeBSD. Have I learned anything? Probably not, but > it's like having a new Apple all over again. My laser printer will now > feed blank pages at will. I haven't even started trying to get the > modem going. Mammy wants to know why her hard drive is so much > "louder" than it used to be. I have Netscape on the desktop, but alas, > all the text is in Japanese, and I really don't feel well enough to > start on that too............. I'm glad you're having fun. I wouldn't have had that much patience, which is why I took at the broad and well paved highways instead of the narrow and bramble-choked ruts you took! Of course, I'm used to alternate systems (DRDOS, Geos, OS/2, Linux), so I always made sure of my hardware and never trusted the computer salesmen. A hint for your printer: check out apsfilter. If your modem isn't a winmodem, it should be a snap as well. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 11 14: 3:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from glitch.crosswinds.net (glitch.crosswinds.net [209.208.163.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF00F37B503 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lexx.my.domain ([195.110.170.26]) by glitch.crosswinds.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21871 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:02:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from john253@crosswinds.net) From: John Murphy To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] Rock on! Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:02:12 +0100 Organization: The Organisation Reply-To: john253@crosswinds.net Message-ID: References: <39E39A28.62A9F8F2@acuson.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Heiko Recktenwald wrote: >> floor. I swear I have Little Richard living in my harddrive :-) > >Ok ;-) My idea was something like "less is more". Do we need an = attitude >like "Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft" ?=20 > And I thought "more is less" at least since about -4.1 :) John. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 11 14:58:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02AF37B502; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish ([62.255.96.51]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20001011225713.NUWO23965.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@parish>; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:57:13 +0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9BLwIU01530; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:58:18 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:58:17 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Heiko Recktenwald Cc: David Johnson , freebsd newbies , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] Rock on! Message-ID: <20001011225817.B258@parish> References: <39E39A28.62A9F8F2@acuson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de on Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 03:45:06AM +0200 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 03:45:06AM +0200, Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > > floor. I swear I have Little Richard living in my harddrive :-) > > Ok ;-) My idea was something like "less is more". Renault use that one, in the UK at least. > Do we need an attitude > like "Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft" ? > > Some things are clear to everybody, yes, it rocks, indeed, but those who > dont want to know cant be helped.... > > Something like that. > > Well, I come from europe and the europeans are sometimes a little bit > strange. > Speak for yourself :) > H. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 11 15:35: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tigerdyr.candid.dk (tigerdyr.candid.dk [193.162.142.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB1337B503 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by tigerdyr.candid.dk (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 502E698B9; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:34:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:34:57 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Boll_Overgaard?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: potential hardwareerror Message-ID: <20001012003457.A2566@freebsd.macmad.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD/i386 4.1-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Being new to FreeBSD I am not quite sure what to do about this error I am getting on my gateway box. Its a P2 350 Mhz on an Asus MB, and I get rather peculiar errors. I hooked the box onto a 100 Mbit lan, but whenever I put load on the ethernet interface I get a vm_page_something error (I realise not giving th complete and correct error is somewhat lame, but I have no monitor on the box, and the error isnt printed to root if the connection is made via ssh) After a few of those the kernel crashes and automatically reboots after 15 seconds. I can do updatedb's on the box, so apparantly its not a general I/O problem with the disks. I am running frodo 4.1.1-STABLE FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE #0. Any hints as to what the problem might be would be greatly appreciated. -- Søren O. If Microsoft is the answer, could we please have the problem back? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 11 19:19:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F3C37B502; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) id e9C2Iw598765; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:48:58 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:48:58 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: stan deese Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Follies Message-ID: <20001012114858.G98422@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from eseed1st@hotmail.com on Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 08:34:11AM -0400 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 11 October 2000 at 8:34:11 -0400, stan deese wrote: [-- text/html is unsupported (use 'v' to view this part) --] Please don't send HTML mail to these lists. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 11 19:33:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sentry.granch.com (sentry.granch.com [212.109.197.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54FF37B502 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sentry.granch.ru (IDENT:shelton@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sentry.granch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02486; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:29:46 +0700 (NOVST) Message-ID: <39E5221A.E4B5AA7E@sentry.granch.ru> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:29:46 +0700 From: "Rashid N. Achilov" Reply-To: achilov@granch.ru Organization: Granch Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: frounay dah pooyoo Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lil' problem References: <000e01c0338a$7f2e0640$1c01a8c0@aeternet.42> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > frounay dah pooyoo wrote: > > Hi, > Second I got a problem (exciting isn't it ;p) : My FreeBSD doesn't > recognize my ethernet card which is a SMC EZ 10/100 MBits/sec. > Include rl0 device in your kernel config file and re-build kernel -- With Best Regards. Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Brainbench ID: 28514 Granch Ltd. lead engineer, e-mail: achilov@granch.ru tel/fax (383-2) 24-2363 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 11 20:34:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from wilma.widomaker.com (wilma.widomaker.com [204.17.220.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F0337B503; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [209.96.185.41] (helo=escape) by wilma.widomaker.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 13jZ7v-0000Yz-00; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:33:56 -0400 Received: from shannon by escape with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13jZ74-0004Gi-00; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:32:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:32:58 -0400 From: Shannon Hendrix To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: FreeBSD-newbies@freeBSD.org, FreeBSD-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Without BSD...(humor) Message-ID: <20001011233257.B14974@widomaker.com> Mail-Followup-To: Neil Blakey-Milner , FreeBSD-newbies@freeBSD.org, FreeBSD-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <39E084A8.3D20844@uswest.net> <20001008191356.A24008@mithrandr.moria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001008191356.A24008@mithrandr.moria.org>; from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org on Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 07:13:56PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 07:13:56PM +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > On Sun 2000-10-08 (08:28), Joe Warner wrote: > > You know those Karl's Jr. commercials where the guy > > walks into a grocery store and stares blankly at a shelf > > of a hundred or so brands of bread? > > > > Now picture the same guy walking into a computer or > > software store, staring blankly at a shelf of Linux > > distributions.... > > > > 1. http://www.topology.org/linux.html#os > > A better list is at http://www.ldl.cx/ - Linux distribution list: > > ``The LDL currently holds 180 distributions - 9 added and 1 updated since > last update'' I've been using Linux for a very long time, and I get more sick of the direction some people are taking it each year. Red Hat is both angel and devil. I think they have helped a lot, but I also think they have done a ton of damage. Mandrake has done a lot to create a distribution that installs nicely, and is attractive to new users. But they've also created a bloated mess that would make any admin cry. I can't speak for SuSE, but I did try it once and find little difference. I think wrapping up the mess in /etc/sysconfig with various UIs is a huge mistake, because that's basically what Windows is. Nothing wrong with a GUI wrapper, but I fear it is used an excuse to not fix the problems with normal administration. The tools I've seen are hard to use manually and with the GUIs (i.e. adminstering in different ways), and that's a disaster waiting to happen. I believe Debian and Slackware are more sane in that regard, but they are not dominant, and still suffer from the problems associated with C libraries, Gnome, etc. Maybe it will all work out, but it's all bad enough that you have to worry, a lot. No doubt the open source idea is still very young, and partly to blame. I've run BSD for years, but hardware issues kept me from putting it on my main box. Now I'm seriously considering it, even though my current Debian setup is very stable. I have tried to keep the system lean, but there are still over 130K files in /usr (yes, one hundred thirty thousand). I have a lot of apps installed, but they number under 100. It's the ton of themes, config files, libraries, and applets that come with the Gnome setup. Of course, that's a UNIX problem (no standard GUI system), but it seems worse on Linux than when I duplicate the setup on FreeBSD. I want Linux to start merging and think a single from source distribution should be created, just like the BSD systems. It's insane that we don't have that. Hopefully the BSD systems will fully benefit from the large library of software being created for Linux, and at the same time can influence the path Linux is taking. It needs help. -- UNIX/Perl/C/Pizza__________________________________shannon@widomaker.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 11 21:42:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (pop3.pioneernet.net [208.240.196.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B9637B66C; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wiegand.org [208.194.173.26] by pioneernet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.03) id A4FC1DC020E; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:58:36 -0700 Message-ID: <39E5415B.EDC0122E@wiegand.org> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:43:07 -0700 From: Chip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shannon Hendrix Cc: Neil Blakey-Milner , FreeBSD-newbies@freeBSD.org, FreeBSD-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Without BSD...(humor) References: <39E084A8.3D20844@uswest.net> <20001008191356.A24008@mithrandr.moria.org> <20001011233257.B14974@widomaker.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Shannon Hendrix wrote: > > * lots snipped * > > Hopefully the BSD systems will fully benefit from the large library of > software being created for Linux, and at the same time can influence the path > Linux is taking. It needs help. > BSD will run linux apps just fine, in fact, some say BSD runs Linux apps better or faster than Linux itself. I am running a couple Linux apps on my FBSD system because they are not available in a BSD port or package. I've none of them, or any BSD app, ever crash on me. -- Chip W. www.wiegand.org Alternative Operating Systems > -- > UNIX/Perl/C/Pizza__________________________________shannon@widomaker.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 12 0:17: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C662737B502 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p6.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.6]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA412006; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:14:03 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00620; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:42:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:42:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: achilov@granch.ru Cc: Oscar Ricardo Silva , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mysterious URL In-Reply-To: <39E48C68.21DB12F0@sentry.granch.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Domain Name: ILOVEUNIX.COM > > Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC. > > What a pity :-) But ilovefreebsd.com and/or ilovebsd.com not registered > yet :-) And it should be possible to register i-loveunix. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 12 1:31:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from exodus.ait.co.za (exodus.ait.co.za [196.36.149.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5DD6137B503 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pm3ctn [196.36.149.4] by exodus.ait.co.za (SMTPD32-4.06) id A553BB1013C; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:30:59 +0200 Message-ID: <02fb01c03427$64ed0e00$0200a8c0@ait.co.za> Reply-To: "Peter Salvage" From: "Peter Salvage" To: References: Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:35:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all There seems to be sufficient response to create the list. So I have :-) Please send subscription requests to listserv@deadchicken.co.za with "subscribe freebsd-magazine your_name" in the body (without quotes). To post to the list, simply send an email to: freebsd-magazine@deadchicken.co.za Digest and un-subscribe information will be emailed with the welcome message. Please restrict the postings to the purpose for which the list was created. /wiZZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Harrop" To: ; "Steve Fagan" Cc: "Peter Salvage" ; Sent: 10 October 2000 01:36 Subject: RE: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > Hi all... > > I hate to post a "me too" email...but pls add my name to the list also ;-) > > Cheers! > Mark Harrop > maharrop@eisa.net.au > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Steve Kudlak > > Sent: Monday, 9 October 2000 14:22 > > To: Steve Fagan > > Cc: Peter Salvage; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > > > > > > > > > Steve Fagan wrote: > > > > > Add me to the list if you make one. I am very interested in > > the topic. I > > > never would have know about the book due out in Dec. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Peter Salvage" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:01 PM > > > Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > > > > > > If anyone is interested, I'm more than happy to create a list for this > > > > topic, as I feel it's quite important. > > > > > > > > /wiZZ > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Wayne Sheppard" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: 05 October 2000 09:47 > > > > Subject: Re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does this magazine stuff really belong on freebsd-newbies? > > I have no > > > idea > > > > > what belongs here, but 100+ messages about creating a BSD > > magazine seems > > > > too > > > > > many for a list.designed for * newbies activities * > > > > > > > > > > Please don't flame me. If this topic is appropriate for > > this list, I'll > > > > > just unsubscribe quietly. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 12 1:48:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C56737B66C; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p168.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.168]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA51642; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:45:10 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00717; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:21:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:21:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Mark Ovens Cc: David Johnson , freebsd newbies , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [OT] Rock on! In-Reply-To: <20001011225817.B258@parish> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Mark Ovens wrote: > > > floor. I swear I have Little Richard living in my harddrive :-) > > > > Ok ;-) My idea was something like "less is more". > > Renault use that one, in the UK at least. This is Bauhaus, Gropius etc, "modern style" ;-) H. 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He is an AIX Systems Engineer currently responsible for an enterprise level system with 6-8 boxes, 8Gigs Ram and processing data in the multiple tetrabytes. Following is his reply. ML Duke Begin: Actually, I didn't find much humor, but I did feel sympathy. I am now compelled to work with Red Hat Linux, and I can assure you, it's a (bleep) nightmare. Nothing is standard, everything has strange idiosyncracies and I have to work three times as hard to accomplish a normal task with Red Hat than I do with Solaris, AIX or and BSD. Every day, with Linux, there is a new security vulnerability. that needs fixing. I'm beginning to dislike Linux rather deeply;) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 12 23:34:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D57E37B502 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (user-2ivef20.dsl.mindspring.com [165.247.60.64]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA07947 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 02:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: willswank@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 02:34:27 -0400 To: FreeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.org From: William Swank Subject: installation problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi I'm having problems configuring my linksys PCMCIA ethernet card for installing FreeBSD. I have a Toshiba Satellite 225CDS (100mhz pentium) laptop. I have to boot from the floppy drive since I can only have one drive in at a time. I'm currently running Windows NT on this laptop so I don't have the option for MS-DOS prompt installation from the CD. The funny thing is, my laptop won't boot from the Walnut Creek distribution of FreeBSD, but it boots from the Windows NT CD. Is there a reason for this? Anyways, on with my ethernet problem. After I load from the floppy I choose the Visual Configuration mode. It says that I have 8 conflicts. After reading up on my Linksys card, I learned that it supports the ne2000 driver under Linux. I deleted all other drivers for the ethernet card and was still left with the conflict between the ne2000 and the PC-Card. This is where I get confused. I changed the IRQ and I/O address for the ne2000. The conflicts were resolved. After that I hit "Q" and exited the hardware setup. The kernel starts probing my system and says "PC-Card found. Use this media as installation method. etc?" I chose "Yes" and the lights on the ethernet adapter light up and it links up to my DSL router. I continue setting up drive partitions etc. and get the screen where it asks what kind of install I would like to preform. I choose ftp behind firewall (my DSL router has a built in firewall) and hit "Enter." It gives me the option of installing using SLIP, PPP, but no ethernet. I get to this point and I'm dumbfounded. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Regards, William Swank To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 0:26:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from livia.netfoo.org (ppp09-iligan.mozcom.com [206.151.137.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A8737B502 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kreaper by livia.netfoo.org with local (Exim 3.16 #1 (Debian)) id 13jvWk-0000rK-00 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:28:58 +0800 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:28:58 +0800 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: anyone tried this? Message-ID: <20001013112858.A3299@livia.netfoo.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i From: Livia Admin Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org if anyone of you tried linux or installing linux... is there a way of installing freebsd from just a DOS-prompt and hardisk, without CD-DRIVE and DISK-DRIVE. is there something like "LOADLIN" in freebsd to just load/boot the kernel from dos? thanks i'm trying to install it but dont know how to start without floppy or cd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 2:35:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f22.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E0037B503 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 02:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 02:35:48 -0700 Received: from 216.78.154.33 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:35:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.78.154.33] From: "stan deese" To: Siegbert.Baude@gmx.de Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Follies Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 05:35:47 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2000 09:35:48.0278 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7F29D60:01C034F8] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi I understand the time crunch for most on the lists. My intent was only to add a little levity. I am taking the "bull in a china shop" approach to freebsd. I had no intent of railing on fbsd, only to stick the idiot factor into perspective. Most of you look at a problem, and try to analyze it. I look at a problem, and throw rocks at it. :-) Fbsd responds by pounding me with bullets. Those who didn't read the whole story, I'm sure thought I was kicking their system. I'm not, I'm having a lot of fun with this + got a new machine. I have installed demoroniser......hope it works. I posted in rtf, so a lot probably didn't get it at all. I don't post daily, nor will I, and ?'s will go to ?'s. I'm not completely stupid, but I try! :-))) Regards Stan >From: "Siegbert Baude" >To: "stan deese" >Subject: Re: Follies >Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:53:32 +0200 > >Hi Stan, > >you didn´t get a lot of answers I´m afraid. Why? You can read it in >http://www.lemis.com/questions.html >Most people here haven´t the time to read and answer long questions, so >next >time try to be short and precise. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 6:17:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from c000.snv.cp.net (c000-h004.c000.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 45B5437B66D for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (cpmta 10150 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2000 06:17:02 -0700 Date: 13 Oct 2000 06:17:02 -0700 Message-ID: <20001013131702.10149.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 13 Oct 2000 13:17:02 GMT Received: from [152.158.247.97] by mail.piki.net with HTTP; 13 Oct 2000 06:17:02 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: vicky@piki.net Cc: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 Subject: a Request ;) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear sirs / madams I'm a FreeBSd user and I'd like to make FreebSD as the best choiced OS arround my area here, I need GENERAL DETAILS about: 1. FreeBSD features 2. Facilities 3. Capabilities and losts 4. Small handboook (which I don't intend to take it from FreeBSD homepage - www.freebsd.org), I need direct send from you ;)) Thank you very much, I'm lookin' forward for your answers, and long live FreeBSD!!! Best regards, Vicky To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 7:14:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFED37B503 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4DA2C328E; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:38:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AAB3328D; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:38:26 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:38:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: William Swank Cc: FreeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: installation problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please ask questions in -questions. Failing that, since this is a laptop, try asking in -mobile. You might also want to provide a bit more information. What IRQ's is the Linksys trying to use? Why are you trying to do an FTP install if you have the installtion CD? Have you checked some of the various guides to make sure that your laptop dosen't have known problems (it is fairly old, while FreeBSD has been around a while, it seems to me that it's Laptop support is understandably a lot newer, and hence not as tested.) Rick's FreeBSD Help Site! http://www.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 9:10:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C5137B66C; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 504FB328E; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:34:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5AC328D; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:34:20 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:34:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: -newbies Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-newbies needs to be removed. I've been on it since it was created and can say that it is not living up to it's orginal purpose. If I remeber right, and a quick check of the archives seems to confirm, -newbies was created only if no questions were asked there. In the last year or two it has been a low-traffic list. Most every post across it has either been a cross-post, OR a question! Despite my and several other's efforts to keep it on topic, and questions posted where they belong, it is somehow attracting questions. Many of which are not even close to being newbie questions! In the intrest of keeping everything in one place, and to keep people from thinking the FreeBSD project is not "helping" them when they send questions to newbies, that don't get answered. (Or worse yet, may get answered wrong,) we need to remove this point of contact. Like I mentioned, I've tried to help direct people to the correct list, but do not have time (or desire) to catch every single mis-post. The only other option I see is that a core of dedicated people make it their job to actively redirect these misposts and/or try to come up with topcis to keep the group on track Rick Rick's FreeBSD Help Site! http://www.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 9:28:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web1104.mail.yahoo.com (web1104.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4075A37B66F for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20494 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2000 16:28:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20001013162826.20493.qmail@web1104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.200.148.200] by web1104.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:28:26 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:28:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Erlin Subject: Resources for KDE on FreeBSD To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm looking for some resources on configuring KDE specific to FreeBSD. Does anybody know of any especially good ones? --Tim Erlin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 10:19: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968C837B66F; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah (jcwells@utah.nwlink.com [209.20.130.41]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA11173; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:32:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcwells@utah To: Rick Hamell Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -newbies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > FreeBSD-newbies needs to be removed. I've been on it since it was **snip** I unsubscribed from freebsd-newbies when it first showed up for the reasons Rick described. To me, it was just another -questions to deal with. Let the newbies chat on -chat like the rest of us. Thank you, Jason C. Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 10:30:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1165637B502 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.109]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4DE4; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:33:21 -0700 Message-ID: <39E6E3AC.61137A36@acuson.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:27:56 +0000 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Erlin Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Resources for KDE on FreeBSD References: <20001013162826.20493.qmail@web1104.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tim Erlin wrote: > > I'm looking for some resources on configuring KDE > specific to FreeBSD. Does anybody know of any > especially good ones? Well, KDE out of the box (ports) works just fine for me. No problems other than it being installed by default under /usr/local (I know, that's the right place for it). The ports does not include kde-admin, but since everything there is 90% GNU or Linux oriented, it doesn't matter. -- David Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 10:49:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFDE37B502 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.109]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA5A12; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:52:41 -0700 Message-ID: <39E6E839.3A0EC2B6@acuson.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:47:21 +0000 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rick Hamell Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -newbies References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rick Hamell wrote: > > FreeBSD-newbies needs to be removed. I've been on it since it was > created and can say that it is not living up to it's orginal purpose. If I > remeber right, and a quick check of the archives seems to confirm, > -newbies was created only if no questions were asked there. In the last > year or two it has been a low-traffic list. Most every post across it has > either been a cross-post, OR a question! Recheck your archives. Questions are allowed, just not technical questions. Questions like "how to configure X" are a no-no, but questions like "what window managers should I check out" is okay. Overall, I wouldn't say that "most" every post was wrong. Maybe 25% were misguided. In the interests of helping newbies, occasional posts on the order of "the kids are misbehaving" is not constructive. Perhaps the problem is that the name is wrong. In every other set of mailing lists, -newbies is for newbies with questions. Maybe the name -newbies-chat would indicate that the list is for newbies, yet not for questions... -- David Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 10:59:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from postmarq.mu.edu (hermes.mu.edu [134.48.1.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799E237B503 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marquette.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by postmarq.mu.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G2DRAK00.E8F for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:59:08 -0500 From: Jeremy Vandenhouten To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3a2bb3a90c.3a90c3a2bb@marquette.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:59:08 -0500 X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe freebsd-newbies jeremy.vandenhouten@marquette.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 10:59:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24FD337B503 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA24865; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:59:20 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts006d41.mer-id.concentric.net (ts006d41.mer-id.concentric.net [208.177.68.53]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA06097; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:57:09 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: Livia Admin Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: anyone tried this? In-Reply-To: <20001013112858.A3299@livia.netfoo.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > if anyone of you tried linux or installing linux... > is there a way of installing freebsd from just a DOS-prompt Think I might know the answer to this one: No. Duke and hardisk, without CD-DRIVE and DISK-DRIVE. > is there something like "LOADLIN" in freebsd to just load/boot the kernel from dos? > > thanks > i'm trying to install it but dont know how to start without floppy or cd > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 11: 7:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B3937B66D; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA27960; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:07:14 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts006d41.mer-id.concentric.net (ts006d41.mer-id.concentric.net [208.177.68.53]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id OAA08811; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:05:03 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: vicky@piki.net Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: a Request ;) In-Reply-To: <20001013131702.10149.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Everything you're asking for (tho I don't know what a "losts" is) is on the freebed web site that you list yourself. Why in the world _not_ to take the handbook off the site? That's what it's there for. If that's a bugaboo, I'd much recommend "The Complete FreeBSD" which you can order quickly at cdrom.com (and acquiring the CD Rom distribution will speed up your installation considerably--to put it mildly). Duke On 13 Oct 2000 vicky@piki.net wrote: > Dear sirs / madams > > I'm a FreeBSd user and I'd like to make FreebSD as the best choiced OS arround my area here, I need GENERAL DETAILS about: > > 1. FreeBSD features > 2. Facilities > 3. Capabilities and losts > 4. Small handboook > > (which I don't intend to take it from FreeBSD homepage - www.freebsd.org), I need direct send from you ;)) > > Thank you very much, I'm lookin' forward for your answers, and long live FreeBSD!!! > > Best regards, > Vicky > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 11:18:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF40037B66F for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.109]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA6AFC; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:21:21 -0700 Message-ID: <39E6EEF0.CAB9D949@acuson.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:16:00 +0000 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Livia Admin Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: anyone tried this? References: <20001013112858.A3299@livia.netfoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Livia Admin wrote: > > if anyone of you tried linux or installing linux... > is there a way of installing freebsd from just a DOS-prompt and hardisk, without CD-DRIVE and DISK-DRIVE. > is there something like "LOADLIN" in freebsd to just load/boot the kernel from dos? Sorry, kreaper, but you're about to be used as an example :-) In the growing debate over the continuing existance of freebsd-newbies, the number one complaint is that questions are asked. The list charter says that "finding and using resources and asking for help elsewhere" and "moral support" are okay. Some questions are certainly okay, while others are forbidden. kreaper's post straddle's the fence. On one hand he is asking a technical question on how to load FreeBSD on a certain configuration. But on the other hand he is asking for the location of the path leading to a destination. The questin was *not* "how do I install FreeBSD from a DOS prompt?", but rather "is it possible?" Now, a good netizen of -newbies would reply with a terse "yes" or "no", and a frustrated netizen would reply "don't ask questions". But would a reply on the order of "take a look at the xxx utility, it's described in the FAQ, it might be what you need" be way off base? If it is, then certainly nuke -newbies out of existance. But I don't think so. And neither do I think all list members should be punished for the misdeeds of a few (as seems to be the commonly proposed solution). As for a a LOADLIN analogue: "I don't know." -- David Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 13:50:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f205.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D55D37B503; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:50:51 -0700 Received: from 129.130.81.32 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:50:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.130.81.32] From: "That Guy" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: -newbies Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:50:51 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2000 20:50:51.0865 (UTC) FILETIME=[45F78490:01C03557] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In my experience at using FreeBSD, I've come to the conclusion that certain questions are so stupid (ie my own) that they need their own listserv. Maybe we should have -mindnumbing instead. Yet these questions need to be asked. Perhaps the listserv isn't supposed to have questions on it, but you really have to wonder why we don't have a questions listserv that tailors itself more toward the newer users. I really don't understand how the mission of this listserv could possibly aim towards regular conversation of newbies. If anything, this listserv should be a -remedial version of -questions. Removing this listserv doesn't serve any purpose at all. At least a refocus would do some good. Josh >From: "Jason C. Wells" >To: Rick Hamell >CC: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: -newbies >Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:32:10 -0700 (PDT) > >On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > > > > FreeBSD-newbies needs to be removed. I've been on it since it was > >**snip** > >I unsubscribed from freebsd-newbies when it first showed up for the >reasons Rick described. To me, it was just another -questions to deal >with. > >Let the newbies chat on -chat like the rest of us. > >Thank you, >Jason C. Wells > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 13:59:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop.hccnet.nl (pop.hccnet.nl [193.172.127.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A114437B503 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parmenides.utp.net by pop.hccnet.nl via uds118-123.dial.hccnet.nl [193.173.123.118] with ESMTP id WAA08532 (8.8.5/1.13); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:59:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (janko@localhost) by parmenides.utp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01068; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:59:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from janko@compuserve.com) X-Authentication-Warning: parmenides.utp.net: janko owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:59:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Janko van Roosmalen X-Sender: janko@parmenides.utp.net To: David Johnson Cc: Rick Hamell , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -newbies In-Reply-To: <39E6E839.3A0EC2B6@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Excellent suggestion. Rename "freebsd-newbies" to "freebsd-newbies-chat". ===Janko van Roosmalen - Vught - Netherlands=== On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, David Johnson wrote: > > Rick Hamell wrote: > > > > FreeBSD-newbies needs to be removed. I've been on it since it was > > created and can say that it is not living up to it's orginal purpose. If I > > remeber right, and a quick check of the archives seems to confirm, > > -newbies was created only if no questions were asked there. In the last > > year or two it has been a low-traffic list. Most every post across it has > > either been a cross-post, OR a question! > > Recheck your archives. Questions are allowed, just not technical > questions. Questions like "how to configure X" are a no-no, but > questions like "what window managers should I check out" is okay. > Overall, I wouldn't say that "most" every post was wrong. Maybe 25% were > misguided. In the interests of helping newbies, occasional posts on the > order of "the kids are misbehaving" is not constructive. > > Perhaps the problem is that the name is wrong. In every other set of > mailing lists, -newbies is for newbies with questions. Maybe the name > -newbies-chat would indicate that the list is for newbies, yet not for > questions... > > -- > David Johnson > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 14:21:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48FE737B66C; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1CCF2328F; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:45:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BC8328E; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:45:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:45:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: That Guy Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -newbies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > itself more toward the newer users. I really don't understand how the > mission of this listserv could possibly aim towards regular conversation of > newbies. If anything, this listserv should be a -remedial version of > -questions. Removing this listserv doesn't serve any purpose at all. At > least a refocus would do some good. It does serve a purpose. The orginal argument for NOT having -newbies and not having technical questions in it. Say you've been thrown into the position of admin. for your entire company (because you know 'computers') You inadvertantly ask a question on -newbies, get the wrong answer, and boom... your company is down, or worst yet lost lots of valuable data. I have seen at least once something similar... People who are on -questions may not have time to keep track of -newbies also. Having just one technical contact for all customers keeps everything in one place so that those who know what they're doing can help even with the seemingly 'newbie' questions. My major problem is that the questions that are being asked in newbies, are not newbie questions! Asking about setting up a pccard, or NATD, or DNS, or firewall filters are not in my mind newbie-type questions. They are intermediate or even advanced topics. Newbies was meant as a place for newbies to spout off about the latest thing they've done, or a cool feature they found, or a web site that really helped them, etc, etc... But when was the last time such a question came across? In the last year, I believe I've only seen one, maybe two posts that I think are ontopic for -newbies. Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 15:24:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (athserv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDCEC37B66E for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.hell.gr (patr530-a083.otenet.gr [212.205.215.83]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e9DMNVh24477 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:23:32 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (qmail 554 invoked by uid 1001); 13 Oct 2000 22:23:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20001013222355.553.qmail@localhost.hell.gr> From: "Giorgos Keramidas" Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:23:55 +0300 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: playing with my ip-up scripts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3A 75 52 EB F1 58 56 0D - C5 B8 21 B6 1B 5E 4A C2 X-URL: http://students.ceid.upatras.gr/~keramida/index.html Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been fooling around with different mail transfer agents lately. I installed sendmail, then postfix, then qmail, on a dialup link at my home. What I've done to setup up each mail transfer agent, I intent to sum up with an article or two and send them to daemonnews, if I may. However, when I was playing with different MTA's I also wrote a couple of enhancements to my /etc/ppp/ip-up script to automagically update the relay host used by the current MTA each time, and restart the MTA. The results of this can be seen at: Just thought that someone might be interested in these little hacks :-) Ciao, -- Giorgos Keramidas, < keramida @ ceid . upatras . gr > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 17:30:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC09A37B66C for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA28CF; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:33:25 -0700 Message-ID: <39E7A882.6F1D21D4@acuson.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:27:46 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rick Hamell Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -newbies References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rick Hamell wrote: > My major problem is that the questions that are being asked in > newbies, are not newbie questions! Asking about setting up a pccard, or > NATD, or DNS, or firewall filters are not in my mind newbie-type > questions. What exactly are appropriate questions? There will always be someone on any list who won't follow the rules, but what about the rest of us? The intricacies of NAT or DNS certainly don't belong here. But what about installation issues (if you can't get it installed, odds are you're a newbie)? What programs to use (tcsh or bash)? Etc. If some questions are allowed but others are not, then there should be some sort of guidelines as to what is okay. I'm not trying to be belligerant. I fully understand your points. But I think -newbies should be more than just "I did something cool with FreeBSD last night." We are mere beginners with FreeBSD. That's why we're called newbies. At least give us a chance to learn to walk before demanding we run with the big boys. > But when was the last time such a question came across? In the > last year, I believe I've only seen one, maybe two posts that I think are > ontopic for -newbies. Huh? Are you serious! I recall discussions on the merits and disadvantages of various window managers, tales of triumph and woe, talks on the documentation situation as it applies to newbies, and of course the recent magazine discussion. All of these were appropriate because they were discussed by *newbies* from a *newbie* perspective. Geez, if we can't even talk about where to find documentation written for newbies, then go ahead and nuke the list because it's pretty useless... David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 18:31:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B51E37B66D for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21102 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:30:13 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:30:13 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200010140230.MAA21102@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 18:43:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB8F37B503; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6CFE0328E; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:07:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C30328D; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:07:32 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:07:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: David Johnson Cc: freebs-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -newbies In-Reply-To: <39E7A882.6F1D21D4@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > My major problem is that the questions that are being asked in > > newbies, are not newbie questions! Asking about setting up a pccard, or > > NATD, or DNS, or firewall filters are not in my mind newbie-type > > questions. > > What exactly are appropriate questions? There will always be someone on > any list who won't follow the rules, but what about the rest of us? From the -Newbies First Aid Kit, our "FAQ" so to speak: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to question. It is a discussion forum for newbies. That is the rules of FreeBSD-newbies... pretty simple. Those are the rules it was allowed to come into creation under. Those rules are NOT being followed today, nor have they been followed for quite some time. > The intricacies of NAT or DNS certainly don't belong here. But what > about installation issues (if you can't get it installed, odds are > you're a newbie)? What programs to use (tcsh or bash)? Etc. If some > questions are allowed but others are not, then there should be some sort > of guidelines as to what is okay. Simple... NO technical questions are allowed at all. What programs to use would be IMHO, on-topic and appropriate. > I'm not trying to be belligerant. I fully understand your points. But I > think -newbies should be more than just "I did something cool with > FreeBSD last night." We are mere beginners with FreeBSD. That's why > we're called newbies. At least give us a chance to learn to walk before > demanding we run with the big boys. Yes, we were all beginners. FreeBSD-questions has been very tolerant over the years to newbies. No matter how basic your question is, if it's worded politely, and you seem to have done basic research, it gets answered. In fact, from what I see... some of the more advanced questions are more likely to not be answered! See the four postings regarding PCMCIA Cards installations/configuration. > > But when was the last time such a question came across? In the > > last year, I believe I've only seen one, maybe two posts that I think are > > ontopic for -newbies. > > Huh? Are you serious! I recall discussions on the merits and > disadvantages of various window managers, tales of triumph and woe, > talks on the documentation situation as it applies to newbies, and of > course the recent magazine discussion. All of these were appropriate > because they were discussed by *newbies* from a *newbie* perspective. > Geez, if we can't even talk about where to find documentation written > for newbies, then go ahead and nuke the list because it's pretty > useless... Ok, I will freely admit there that I mis-spoke there, though some of those topics were cross-posted off into -chat or -questions, right where they were both on topic. I'm trying to bring this to people's attention because a large amount of questions are getting asked in Newbies, and from I can see never get answered. I do not believe that is giving a FreeBSD a very good reputation. We talk about needing to expand, but by having people not realize what -newbies really is for, they're missing a lot more that they have the right to get, if they posted to the correct place. I personally would be willing to see -newbies changed to something like -newbie_issues.. (not -newbie-chat... -chat already serves that purpose, as most -newbie chat issues again, IMHO are not limited to the newbie.) If I had the time I would volunteer to take over from Sue Blake the position of defacto Moderator of -newbies. She did a wonderful job in the begining, but I can not remeber the last non-Newbies First Aid Kit post she's made. Either she also is to busy, no longer feels -newbies is needed by herself or in general, or...? Please Sue if you do read this, I respect you and the pain you went through to get this group created, I simply believe your orginal vision needs a swift kick to get it back where it belongs. Ultimatily, I guess it belongs in postmaster@freebsd.org's hands to make this choice. Does -newbies get a name change, stay the way it is, or get kicked out the door? Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 19:17:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f162.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A631837B66C for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:17:19 -0700 Received: from 208.191.39.147 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 02:17:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.191.39.147] From: "That Guy" To: hamellr@heorot.1nova.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -newbies Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 02:17:19 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2000 02:17:19.0391 (UTC) FILETIME=[E10ACAF0:01C03584] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You're missing the point in your example of an admin. There is a definite boundary between questions I would ask about certain subjects in questions. I know I am not the only one, but many of my questions are minor, and to somebody much more knowledgeable, certainly not worth posting to such a huge listserv. The purpose of this listserv if it focused towards answering questions would be an alternative to -questions that has the knowledgeable patient ones among us to answer questions, while certainly not wasting the time of -questions. Every time I've posted to -questions I've gotten the distinct feeling that my question just wasn't of enough technical merit to justify having that many people read it. Not focusing towards newbies with genuine problems I think is a great mistake. -questions doesn't and can't fulfill those requirements. Josh >From: Rick Hamell >To: That Guy >CC: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: -newbies >Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:45:06 +0000 (GMT) > > > > itself more toward the newer users. I really don't understand how the > > mission of this listserv could possibly aim towards regular conversation >of > > newbies. If anything, this listserv should be a -remedial version of > > -questions. Removing this listserv doesn't serve any purpose at all. >At > > least a refocus would do some good. > > It does serve a purpose. The orginal argument for NOT having >-newbies and not having technical questions in it. Say you've been thrown >into the position of admin. for your entire company (because you know >'computers') You inadvertantly ask a question on -newbies, get the wrong >answer, and boom... your company is down, or worst yet lost lots of >valuable data. I have seen at least once something similar... People who >are on -questions may not have time to keep track of -newbies also. Having >just one technical contact for all customers keeps everything in one place >so that those who know what they're doing can help even with the seemingly >'newbie' questions. > My major problem is that the questions that are being asked in >newbies, are not newbie questions! Asking about setting up a pccard, or >NATD, or DNS, or firewall filters are not in my mind newbie-type >questions. They are intermediate or even advanced topics. Newbies was >meant as a place for newbies to spout off about the latest thing they've >done, or a cool feature they found, or a web site that really helped them, >etc, etc... But when was the last time such a question came across? In the >last year, I believe I've only seen one, maybe two posts that I think are >ontopic for -newbies. > > > Rick > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 19:45:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42EB737B66E; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21315; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:43:46 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:43:43 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -newbies Message-ID: <20001014134341.D2537@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <39E7A882.6F1D21D4@acuson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Rick Hamell on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 06:07:32PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 06:07:32PM +0000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > Please Sue if you do read this, I > respect you and the pain you went through to get this group created, I > simply believe your orginal vision needs a swift kick to get it back where > it belongs. > Ultimatily, I guess it belongs in postmaster@freebsd.org's hands > to make this choice. Does -newbies get a name change, stay the way it is, > or get kicked out the door? I am never very far away, but I'd rather see newbies work out issues themselves. Spill your hearts here, your own kinda private and safe place. One of the many functions of this mailing list is to orient people to how the mailing lists and their community works, which includes collaborating with PEERS. As equals. There is no other mailing list where newbies can talk with their peers without more experienced people butting in with their experienced-biased views. I would deplore any infiltration by know-it-alls who want to preach and correct the errors of thinking that all newbies must work thorugh as part of learning, and I'm certainly trying to refrain from doing so myself. (But people in the know about policy, e.g. Nik's humble invitations to join the doc project and how it works, are obviously welcome). You have technical/how-to problems? The best thing IMO is to work it out as well as you can first, and then post a neat summary to freebsd-questions where others will find it in a mailing list search. Other newbies can help you with the actual writing process if posting to freebsd-questions is daunting, and then you post the question to -questions. You have social/community/list-activity problems? Work it out among yourselves. Write to me personally if you really think it needs the voice of authority, and if necessary I'll tic tac with the postmaster who has the final say in many list matters. I don't believe you can learn a community well unless you are free to make a few accidental mistakes, take risks, and not have to do so in the presence of thousands of intimidating experts in the field. Nobody minds someone who knows nothing of FreeBSD, but many of the most vocal experienced people have very low tolerance for people who don't use the FreeBSD lists as they are expected to. That's why I don't pounce hard on genuine newbies abusing this list by accident. A gentle reminder and pointer from a fellow newbie in a small group is hard enough to take as it is. We don't want to scare people off, we want to help them fit in. Besides, this is the only list which has any "voice of authority" attached to it, and the idea is that with the reassurance of having me around you'll be able to wean yourselves off that need. Of course, none of this has anything remotely to do with how to install or configure or fix something with FreeBSD itself. There are other lists for newbies to go to for those things. I've watched this list since its beginning, and as I expected there's been very high and very low points. Such fluctuation would not be tolerated on other lists but is necessary to this one. Indeed, the very basis of freebsd-newbies is that it's for whatever is forbidden on every other list, and nothing else. Over that time I've also seen a small sub-community of newbies come into existence, who gradually learned the (social) ropes and found just the right ways to communicate that to their equals. Nobody but a newbie can help a newbie without bringing shame to the sensitive ones among us. Again, this is my opinion, many disagree strongly, and neither my opinion nor theirs is valid when it comes down to it, because we're not newbies. Newbies should speak for newbies. So far, overall, you lot have done pretty well for yourselves. Several newbies have come here as absolute ratbags who might have been scolded away from FreeBSD if it wasn't for the patience and support of their newbie peers, then they've seen how it all works, learned to fit in, and went on to become valued contributors to the FreeBSD Project. Credit for that goes not to the list, but the people who belong to it. I believe you can work this one out between you too, if the heavies leave you alone in peace long enough to work out your own common views. If you agreed on an idea that involves changes, let me know, and I'll compare it to known history and give feedback, then see if it can be fitted into the FreeBSD list requirements. Sometimes when it can't be fitted in, I can make a special hole for it. Indeed, that is how this discussion group came about in the first place. I assure you that now, as earlier, I won't take much notice of what non-newbies claim to know about newbies. Good luck, have fun, be kind to each other, and call on me when you think it is really necessary. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 19:45:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676EA37B66D; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 27841328E; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:09:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14871328D; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:09:26 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:09:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: That Guy Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -newbies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > You're missing the point in your example of an admin. There is a definite > boundary between questions I would ask about certain subjects in questions. > I know I am not the only one, but many of my questions are minor, and to > somebody much more knowledgeable, certainly not worth posting to such a huge Either or... technical questions to -newbies are off topic. Period. It dosen't matter how minor it is. > listserv. The purpose of this listserv if it focused towards answering > questions would be an alternative to -questions that has the knowledgeable > patient ones among us to answer questions, while certainly not wasting the > time of -questions. Every time I've posted to -questions I've gotten the > distinct feeling that my question just wasn't of enough technical merit to > justify having that many people read it. Not focusing towards newbies with > genuine problems I think is a great mistake. -questions doesn't and can't > fulfill those requirements. I personally haven't ever felt that. And believe me... I've asked some stupid questions... :) And I think (and many others,) feel that having more then one point technical contact is too many. Again, questions get missed, or maybe answered wrong. As I've pointed out even if we make -newbies a -newbie list... who is going to decide what is a newbie question and what isn't? Again, most the technical posts I've seen on the list have not been newbie type questions, questions that were not only not answered, but not even cross posted in -questions where they should have been in the first place. On top of that, most people simply do not read. They are going to continue posting their questions to -newbies wether it be changed to include newbie questions or not. Again, I belive that to be a greater disservice to those people (who admittedly really should get what they deserve... but I digress on that point,) and to the people on -newbies who can't even begin to answer those questions. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 13 19:55:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5926637B66C for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id WAA20828; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:55:35 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts006d47.mer-id.concentric.net (ts006d47.mer-id.concentric.net [208.177.68.59]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id WAA26547; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:53:23 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: David Johnson Cc: Rick Hamell , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -newbies In-Reply-To: <39E7A882.6F1D21D4@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ah. The re-occuring thread raises it's head once more. I've resisted....No I've got to jump in.... To do or not to do ... speak or be silent ....? Silence wins this time ... almost. The list is not broken ... Let it be ... It is well known that using an answer is at ones own risk. Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Oct 14 8:28:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB4E37B66C; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A0E53328F; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:52:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DEC1328E; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:52:00 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:52:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: Joe Warner Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -newbies In-Reply-To: <39E86BC9.4FA97AC1@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Rick, do you think that all technical questions should be forbidden > from this list? IMHO, I think a logical approach would be to allow > certain questions, depending on their scope. For example, someone Not only to I think so, they ARE forbidden as stated in the First Aid Kit. > proclaims they are new to FreeBSD and wants to know how to list > the contents of a directory. A simple response would instruct them > to use the "ls" command and also suggest they take a look at "man ls". > I don't think there would be any risk of someone trashing their system > with the "ls" command. All other questions, of a higher technical scope, > could be politely directed to questions. Would this type of approach > be too difficult to manage? On this I happen to agree with you, sorta. I personally have no problems with anyone telling someone else to use the ls command, or similiar things. A real Newbie just won't know that. But again, I think it's technically off topic. > I have taken this approach in the past. If someone asks a simple question > and I'm 100% sure of the answer and am positive that my response won't > cause the person to inflict damage to their system, I answer their question > and also tell them where they can find more information. If the question > is something like, how to configure a firewall or DNS, I kindly direct them > to -questions and may include references to related publications and/or > other resources. That historically has been how a lot of people try to answer questions. The problem being is that somehow, somewhere Freebsd-newbies once got on a list as THE place to ask FreeBSD related questions. It sounds to me like it is still on this list. That is one of the reasons a name change would be a good idea. > Even though the thread (re: BSD Magazine (Advertiser Responses) that > I started on -newbies may have been appropriate, the length of this thread > became irritating for some and as a result, efforts were made to create a > separate list for this topic. BTW - I plan to withhold future information I > receive, re: this subject and only post info that is a lot more substantial. In my opinion, that thread happed just perfectly. It got moved when it got offtopic/irratating. Started out very much on topic for -newbies, and was really quite informative. I believe that since a newbie to the FreeBSD project can not contribute with coding and/or in questions (very well,) we should be dealing with advocacy and promotion issues. Heck, I carry a couple copies of the CDROM around in my car to give to people! :) > Maybe it would help if Sue's "FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit" was > posted more often? Maybe regular subscribers to this list, such as > myself, could take a more active role in moderating it? Maybe there > is a valid need for a name change for this list? Maybe all of the > above? Yes, we should all do this. We should all take a much more active role in managing newbie "affairs" :) And, the more I think about it, the more I believe a name change would help not just us, but the whole FreeBSD project also. I'm still pushing for something like newbie-issues rather then newbie-chat. I also believe that this list can once again serve as a valuable resource for the FreeBSD project in general and shouldn't be removed. But in it's current form I believe that it's hurting more then helping. > It sounds like, to me, that moderating this list has become a tough job > and maybe, if a consensus was reached among the current moderators > and regular subscribers, as to the content, there could be a team effort > to make things better for everyone? Yes, we also should try to get the -newbies Web Page updated... http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies. There is a link to it off the main page. Some of you may have also noticed my new signature... heorot.1nova.com/freebsd is a list of Newbie related links and help sites that I got tired of typing in all the time... :) (Which I'll be glad for any submissions/suggestions.) I would like to make it "the" site refered to on this group, instead of giving everyone four or five links to look at, they can bookmark just one. :) Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Oct 14 9:42: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8020337B503; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23728; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 03:40:54 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 03:40:52 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Rick Hamell Cc: Joe Warner , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Newbies web page [was: -newbies] Message-ID: <20001015034050.E2537@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Rick Hamell , Joe Warner , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <39E86BC9.4FA97AC1@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Rick Hamell on Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 07:52:00AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (First, I'd like to request that freebsd-chat be removed from the headers of replies. This is a freebsd-newbies discussion, and newbies might not realise that posting to several lists at once is generally discouraged. FreeBSD-chat is mostly for non-FreeBSD chat that spills over from the technical lists where it becomes off topic there.) On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 07:52:00AM +0000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > (and someone else wrote...) > > > Maybe it would help if Sue's "FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit" was > > posted more often? When you join -newbies you get a brief run-down, and then the FAK is posted once a week. What do you want, daily? > Yes, we also should try to get the -newbies Web Page updated... > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies. All you need to do is send me ideas for change, and it'll be done. I've mentioned this to newbies over and over. Nobody has ever done so!! We do need to have a central starting point for newbies on the FreeBSD web site. While I've received many notes of appreciation, the support for this, in terms of contributions suggestions or ideas, has been consistently underwhelming. You guys have to learn that you are not consumers. You get what you want by collaborating on it and then getting up and _doing_ it, or at least helping out those who are already doing stuff. This is the real world. You don't have no Mummy round no more. Live with it. Learn to thrive on it. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Oct 14 10: 3: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D7137B502; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:02:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EA778328F; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:26:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB12328E; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:26:43 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:26:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: Sue Blake Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbies web page [was: -newbies] In-Reply-To: <20001015034050.E2537@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > (First, I'd like to request that freebsd-chat be removed from the > headers of replies. This is a freebsd-newbies discussion, and newbies > might not realise that posting to several lists at once is generally > discouraged. FreeBSD-chat is mostly for non-FreeBSD chat that spills > over from the technical lists where it becomes off topic there.) I'd prefer not too. I believe this discussion is not limited to just -newbies. It affects everyone involved with the FreeBSD project. As it stands now, we effectivley have two technical lists. That needs to be fixed. > > Yes, we also should try to get the -newbies Web Page updated... > > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies. > > All you need to do is send me ideas for change, and it'll be done. > I've mentioned this to newbies over and over. Nobody has ever done so!! Sue... when was the last time you actually did? Like I said, I've not seen a post from you in quite some time. I'd be willing to guess that there are many new people here since you last posted that. Please don't think I'm slamming you, but I do not believe you can make a statement as above. > We do need to have a central starting point for newbies on the FreeBSD > web site. While I've received many notes of appreciation, the support > for this, in terms of contributions suggestions or ideas, has been > consistently underwhelming. Because, newbies are still trying to figure out what they need. It's a Chicken and Egg problem. By the time you know what you need, you've found it and don't need the newbie page anymore. :) > You guys have to learn that you are not consumers. You get what you > want by collaborating on it and then getting up and _doing_ it, or > at least helping out those who are already doing stuff. > This is the real world. You don't have no Mummy round no more. > Live with it. Learn to thrive on it. Um... that's why I personally am trying to fix the problems with -newbies. That's why I've created my webpage with good links for newbies. Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Oct 14 10:34:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D49D37B670; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23945; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 04:33:23 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 04:33:20 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Rick Hamell Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbies web page [was: -newbies] Message-ID: <20001015043318.F2537@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Rick Hamell , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20001015034050.E2537@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Rick Hamell on Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 09:26:43AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 09:26:43AM +0000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > > (First, I'd like to request that freebsd-chat be removed from the > > headers of replies. This is a freebsd-newbies discussion, and newbies > > might not realise that posting to several lists at once is generally > > discouraged. FreeBSD-chat is mostly for non-FreeBSD chat that spills > > over from the technical lists where it becomes off topic there.) > > I'd prefer not too. I believe this discussion is not limited to > just -newbies. It affects everyone involved with the FreeBSD > project. As it stands now, we effectivley have two technical lists. That > needs to be fixed. > > > > Yes, we also should try to get the -newbies Web Page updated... > > > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies. > > > > All you need to do is send me ideas for change, and it'll be done. > > I've mentioned this to newbies over and over. Nobody has ever done so!! > > Sue... when was the last time you actually did? Yesterday. Try looking in the weekly FAK, and the first paragraph of the newbies page. > Like I said, I've not seen a post from you in quite some time. After badgering the list about newbie-derived suggestions for the page for over a year with no response, I decided to stop spamming about it. Shoot me. > I'd be willing to guess that there are many new people here since you > last posted that. Please don't think I'm slamming you, but I do not > believe you can make a statement as above. Fine. I seem to remember you being a newbie, oh, a couple of years ago? > > We do need to have a central starting point for newbies on the FreeBSD > > web site. While I've received many notes of appreciation, the support > > for this, in terms of contributions suggestions or ideas, has been > > consistently underwhelming. > > Because, newbies are still trying to figure out what they > need. It's a Chicken and Egg problem. By the time you know what you need, > you've found it and don't need the newbie page anymore. :) Sure, That's why we need one central FreeBSD-hosted web page, AND it needs to be supported. That means pointing to it instead of just other places, too. Your argument is sound. > > You guys have to learn that you are not consumers. You get what you > > want by collaborating on it and then getting up and _doing_ it, or > > at least helping out those who are already doing stuff. > > This is the real world. You don't have no Mummy round no more. > > Live with it. Learn to thrive on it. > > Um... that's why I personally am trying to fix the problems with > -newbies. That's why I've created my webpage with good links for > newbies. Good on you! Well done! This is a good example of what we're talking about. How about linking back to the FreeBSD Newbies page so that they know it's there? I know you adore the newbies page, because you've never submitted any improvements. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Oct 14 10:49: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF48037B503; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3BD09328F; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:12:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C03328E; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:12:44 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:12:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: Sue Blake Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbies web page [was: -newbies] In-Reply-To: <20001015043318.F2537@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I'd be willing to guess that there are many new people here since you > > last posted that. Please don't think I'm slamming you, but I do not > > believe you can make a statement as above. > > Fine. I seem to remember you being a newbie, oh, a couple of years ago? About 3 years... in fact until very recently I still considered myself a newbie. That is why I am now trying to help the newbies help themselves. :) > > Um... that's why I personally am trying to fix the problems with > > -newbies. That's why I've created my webpage with good links for > > newbies. > > Good on you! Well done! > > This is a good example of what we're talking about. How about linking > back to the FreeBSD Newbies page so that they know it's there? > I know you adore the newbies page, because you've never submitted any > improvements. I already have, I just have to upload it. As for the newbies page, again I am now to the point where I feel comfortable in adding my two cents worth in. Once I get the a few other projects out of the way, I will be attacking the Newbies page. I then plan on helping with the handbook and any where else I can. I also need to go through my notes over the last three years and HTMLize them. Please Sue, do not think I am attacking you personally. I appreciate what you have done for the FreeBSD project, especially with -newbies. I simply believe that you have become tired and/or too busy to deal with it like you use too. It's been a thankless job, and you weathered it well. I simply want see your work not go in vain. My call to completly remove -newbies may have been extreme, but it has come up with what I believe is a viable alternative, a rename of the list to something that will keep questions where they belong and can get answered, yet still provide those new to the project a place to talk and get help as they can. Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Oct 14 14: 9:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop3.slkc.uswest.net (mail.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 56C0F37B66D for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5911 invoked by alias); 14 Oct 2000 21:09:08 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 5897 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2000 21:09:07 -0000 Received: from badialup176.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.225.236.176) by mail.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 14 Oct 2000 21:09:07 -0000 Message-ID: <39E8CA77.6EE4B0C7@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:04:55 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake Cc: Rick Hamell , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbies web page [was: -newbies] References: <39E86BC9.4FA97AC1@uswest.net> <20001015034050.E2537@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >When you join -newbies you get a brief run-down, and then the FAK >is posted once a week. What do you want, daily? No. How about every 5 days? Sue Blake wrote: > (First, I'd like to request that freebsd-chat be removed from the > headers of replies. This is a freebsd-newbies discussion, and newbies > might not realise that posting to several lists at once is generally > discouraged. FreeBSD-chat is mostly for non-FreeBSD chat that spills > over from the technical lists where it becomes off topic there.) > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 07:52:00AM +0000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > > > (and someone else wrote...) > > > > > Maybe it would help if Sue's "FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit" was > > > posted more often? > > When you join -newbies you get a brief run-down, and then the FAK > is posted once a week. What do you want, daily? > > > Yes, we also should try to get the -newbies Web Page updated... > > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies. > > All you need to do is send me ideas for change, and it'll be done. > I've mentioned this to newbies over and over. Nobody has ever done so!! > > We do need to have a central starting point for newbies on the FreeBSD > web site. While I've received many notes of appreciation, the support > for this, in terms of contributions suggestions or ideas, has been > consistently underwhelming. > > You guys have to learn that you are not consumers. You get what you > want by collaborating on it and then getting up and _doing_ it, or > at least helping out those who are already doing stuff. > This is the real world. You don't have no Mummy round no more. > Live with it. Learn to thrive on it. > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > -- FreeBSD = The Power to Serve ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Oct 14 15: 2:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A4537B670 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hostname (port60.mer.netdoor.com [208.137.142.124]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA06468 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:02:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001901c03629$e627c920$0998140a@netdoor> From: "Billy Breland" To: Subject: Problems with XF86 Icons Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:58:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C035FF.EA8FD040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C035FF.EA8FD040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am running BSD 4.0 on an Athlon 550. My video card is a Diamond Viper = 770. I installed X86 without any errors, and the KDE desktop starts = fine. When it loads there are no icons on the toolbar. The icons on = the desktop are black, and when I open up a text editor and type = anything, the only output is || ||||||| |||| || |||||| |. When I shut = down my x server I receive the following messages: "PID not found", and = "KCharset, wrong characterset!". I have successfully setup x86 before = on another box without any problems. Any and all help would be greatly = appreciated. Thanks in advance, Billy ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C035FF.EA8FD040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am running BSD 4.0 on an Athlon = 550.  My=20 video card is a Diamond Viper 770.  I installed X86 without any = errors, and=20 the KDE desktop starts fine.  When it loads there are no icons on = the=20 toolbar.  The icons on the desktop are black, and when I open up a = text=20 editor and type anything, the only output is || ||||||| |||| || ||||||=20 |.   When I shut down my x server I receive the following=20 messages:  "PID not found", and "KCharset, wrong = characterset!".  I=20 have successfully setup x86 before on another box without any = problems. =20 Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
 
 
Thanks in advance,
Billy
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C035FF.EA8FD040-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Oct 14 15:16:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8B037B66D for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 24C50328F; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:40:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B29328E; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:40:23 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:40:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: Billy Breland Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problems with XF86 Icons In-Reply-To: <001901c03629$e627c920$0998140a@netdoor> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please ask questions in -questions. That is what it is for. They are more then willing to help with any problems you might have, no matter how 'newbish' it may seem. Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Billy Breland wrote: > I am running BSD 4.0 on an Athlon 550. My video card is a Diamond Viper 770. I installed X86 without any errors, and the KDE desktop starts fine. When it loads there are no icons on the toolbar. The icons on the desktop are black, and when I open up a text editor and type anything, the only output is || ||||||| |||| || |||||| |. When I shut down my x server I receive the following messages: "PID not found", and "KCharset, wrong characterset!". I have successfully setup x86 before on another box without any problems. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. > > > Thanks in advance, > Billy > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Oct 14 15:47:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n37.san.rr.com (dt051n37.san.rr.com [204.210.32.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA69637B503; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gorean.org (Studded@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n37.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA81098; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:47:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <39E8E276.929B570F@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:47:18 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-101 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: That Guy Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -newbies References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That Guy wrote: > > In my experience at using FreeBSD, I've come to the conclusion that certain > questions are so stupid (ie my own) that they need their own listserv. No, they really don't. We have made huge progress during the last two years at making -questions a "kindler, gentler" place to ask even the most mundane question. And even though there are still the occasional boneheads, it is actually doing quite well, _especially_ considering the vast expansion of the freebsd userbase during the same period. In short, there should be one place, and one place only that is the starting point for real questions. The meta-questions like, "I need to ask about hooping my frobnitz, but I'm not sure which list is the right one to ask on" are still on topic for -newbies, even though that question could really be asked on -questions too. Doug -- "The dead cannot be seduced." - Kai, "Lexx" Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Oct 14 17:10:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f141.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF3837B66D for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:10:23 -0700 Received: from 207.71.192.253 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:10:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.71.192.253] Reply-To: jasonla@pobox.com From: "Jason La" To: jswarner@uswest.net, sue@welearn.com.au Cc: hamellr@heorot.1nova.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbies web page [was: -newbies] Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:10:23 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2000 00:10:23.0466 (UTC) FILETIME=[50029CA0:01C0363C] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I may have entered into this conversation a little late, but I think that a newbie's site would be awesome. The current FBSD newbie's page just isn't enough for a newbie to pick up on... Also, just telling about the syntax and the grammer of programs isn't enough, in my opinion. For the newbie, concepts like NFS and what a "server" is needs to be included. Concepts can make it so that the newbie can understand enough to go ahead and read the man pages and know what to do. So rarely do I find material that explains the concepts behind the software. Maybe this is a good place to start. -- Jason La jasonla@pobox.com "The end justifies the means." -- Niccolo Machiavelli >From: Joe Warner >To: Sue Blake >CC: Rick Hamell , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: Newbies web page [was: -newbies] >Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:04:55 -0600 > > > >When you join -newbies you get a brief run-down, and then the FAK > >is posted once a week. What do you want, daily? > >No. How about every 5 days? > > >Sue Blake wrote: > > > (First, I'd like to request that freebsd-chat be removed from the > > headers of replies. This is a freebsd-newbies discussion, and newbies > > might not realise that posting to several lists at once is generally > > discouraged. FreeBSD-chat is mostly for non-FreeBSD chat that spills > > over from the technical lists where it becomes off topic there.) > > > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 07:52:00AM +0000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > > > > > (and someone else wrote...) > > > > > > > Maybe it would help if Sue's "FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit" was > > > > posted more often? > > > > When you join -newbies you get a brief run-down, and then the FAK > > is posted once a week. What do you want, daily? > > > > > Yes, we also should try to get the -newbies Web Page updated... > > > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies. > > > > All you need to do is send me ideas for change, and it'll be done. > > I've mentioned this to newbies over and over. Nobody has ever done so!! > > > > We do need to have a central starting point for newbies on the FreeBSD > > web site. While I've received many notes of appreciation, the support > > for this, in terms of contributions suggestions or ideas, has been > > consistently underwhelming. > > > > You guys have to learn that you are not consumers. You get what you > > want by collaborating on it and then getting up and _doing_ it, or > > at least helping out those who are already doing stuff. > > This is the real world. You don't have no Mummy round no more. > > Live with it. Learn to thrive on it. > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > -*Sue*- > > > > > >-- > > FreeBSD = The Power to Serve > ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Oct 14 17:36:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13A437B66D; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah (jcwells@utah.nwlink.com [209.20.130.41]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA17527; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:49:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcwells@utah To: Doug Barton Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -newbies In-Reply-To: <39E8E276.929B570F@gorean.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Doug Barton wrote: > In short, there should be one place, and one place only that is the > starting point for real questions. I concur. I have just lurked on this thread. I don't want take anything away from anyone who wants to contribute to Freebsd in their way. For me personally, -newbies duplicated the work being done on -questions. A single point of contact for the "tech support" needs of the community is a good thing. A place for newbies may be a good thing too. Part of growing out of newbieness is using -questions, even if it means being handled without kid gloves. Perhaps a solution is for Sue Blake to produce a periodic mailing like Greg Lehey's "How to get best results" message. (I love volunteering others to do work :) ) If -newbies does go away, much of the needs of newbies might be met by reminding -questions readers of how to best help _AND_ how to represent FreeBSD. Anyway, my $.02 on the color of the bicycle shed. Thanks, Jason C. Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Oct 14 21:28: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D157C37B502; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DFF8D328F; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:51:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79AF328E; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:51:43 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:51:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -newbies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Perhaps a solution is for Sue Blake to produce a periodic mailing like > Greg Lehey's "How to get best results" message. (I love volunteering > others to do work :) ) If -newbies does go away, much of the needs of > newbies might be met by reminding -questions readers of how to best help > _AND_ how to represent FreeBSD. Well Jason... sounds like you're volunteering to come up with something...?:) Seriously, I too think something more the the First Aid Kit for Newbies is needed. Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Oct 14 23:41:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.ovis.net (ns1.ovis.net [207.0.147.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CE737B502 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ovis.net (s1.pm5.ovis.net [207.0.147.68]) by ns1.ovis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19366; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:39:56 -0400 Message-ID: <39E9538E.2D50D526@ovis.net> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:49:50 -0400 From: Steve Kudlak Reply-To: chromexa@ovis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD ezn/58/n (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake Cc: Rick Hamell , Joe Warner , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbies web page [was: -newbies] References: <39E86BC9.4FA97AC1@uswest.net> <20001015034050.E2537@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > (First, I'd like to request that freebsd-chat be removed from the > headers of replies. This is a freebsd-newbies discussion, and newbies > might not realise that posting to several lists at once is generally > discouraged. FreeBSD-chat is mostly for non-FreeBSD chat that spills > over from the technical lists where it becomes off topic there.) > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 07:52:00AM +0000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > > > (and someone else wrote...) > > > > > Maybe it would help if Sue's "FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit" was > > > posted more often? > > When you join -newbies you get a brief run-down, and then the FAK > is posted once a week. What do you want, daily? > > > Yes, we also should try to get the -newbies Web Page updated... > > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies. > > All you need to do is send me ideas for change, and it'll be done. > I've mentioned this to newbies over and over. Nobody has ever done so!! > > We do need to have a central starting point for newbies on the FreeBSD > web site. While I've received many notes of appreciation, the support > for this, in terms of contributions suggestions or ideas, has been > consistently underwhelming. > > You guys have to learn that you are not consumers. You get what you > want by collaborating on it and then getting up and _doing_ it, or > at least helping out those who are already doing stuff. > This is the real world. You don't have no Mummy round no more. > Live with it. Learn to thrive on it. > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message Am I getting wrid in my old, well early middle age. :) It seems that of all the *NIX mailing lists these arethe most wellbehaved. I certainly get a lot out of themby mainlylurking. I, and this is me personallly speaking, have seen less hram and rancor and more and more rules than I have seen other groups. I am certainly not a full blown BSD newbie, having been in the university system. But signal to noise is good here. Why mess withsucesss. Have fun, Sends Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message