From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 15 7: 5:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop3.slkc.uswest.net (mail.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1455137B671 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 07:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6959 invoked by alias); 15 Oct 2000 14:05:30 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 6941 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 2000 14:05:28 -0000 Received: from badialup101.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.225.236.101) by mail.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 15 Oct 2000 14:05:28 -0000 Message-ID: <39E9B8AB.9EE27636@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 08:01:15 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jukka =?iso-8859-1?Q?Simil=E4?= Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbies web page [was: -newbies] References: <8F68F32EB034D311A4A700508B4417D702F5FE3B@RATATOSK.sveg.se.sykes.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6D010E5C3E26B576591A580D" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------6D010E5C3E26B576591A580D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >FAK should be edited to fit in 10 sentences at most. It has the >link to http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ anyway, so >if someone needs more info, he/she can visit the site. I agree with this, however, the reason I recommended that the FAK be posted more frequently is to provide a means to educate new subscribers on what the rules and focus of this list are. People like you, me and Rick, don't read the FAK everytime it's posted because we've already read it. Someone who just subscribed to the list would read it. And, because of the large number of new subscribers, it makes sense to me, to have it posted more frequently to increase the chance of reaching new subscribers. After further thought, maybe a better way to achieve this, would be to include the FAK in the welcome message you receive after subscribing? This would eliminate the need of having it posted every week. I realize that receiving the FAK once a week is annoying to some but there is a need to find a way to effectively communicate the rules and focus of this list to new subscribers. Joe Jukka Similä wrote: > Ok, I wan't to add my 2 cents :) I've been a "newbie" for a while too, > pretty much as long as Rick, and I quite a much share Rick's opinions > about the state of -newbies. > > Jason wrote: > > I may have entered into this conversation a little late, but > > I think that a > > newbie's site would be awesome. The current FBSD newbie's > > page just isn't > > enough for a newbie to pick up on... > > my 1st cent: > http://bsdquickstart.freeservers.com > I did send this URL to Sue for a while ago, but I didn't receive any reply.. > That is my attempt to make a startup point for newbies. > By the way Rick, this thread was the first time I heard about your site, > and you know what, we have pretty much same links on our sites ;) > > >Sue wrote: > >>When you join -newbies you get a brief run-down, and then the FAK > >>is posted once a week. What do you want, daily? > > Joe wrote: > >No. How about every 5 days? > > and the 2nd cent: > FAK definitely doesn't need to be posted more often. > It doesn't make any difference, because NOBODY READS IT ANYWAY. > Sorry for shouting. But the FAK is way too long to be posted > weekly. > > FAK should be edited to fit in 10 sentences at most. It has the > link to http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ anyway, so > if someone needs more info, he/she can visit the site. > > And in case someone wants to bark on that passive form 'FAK > *should* be edited': I volunteer to do that, if nobody else > will ;) > > @-,--`--,--- > Jukka Simila -- FreeBSD = The Power to Serve ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! --------------6D010E5C3E26B576591A580D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
>FAK should be edited to fit in 10 sentences at most. It has the
>link to http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ anyway, so
>if someone needs more info, he/she can visit the site.

I agree with this, however, the reason I recommended that the FAK
be posted more frequently is to provide a means to educate new
subscribers on what the rules and focus of this list are.  People like
you, me and Rick, don't read the FAK everytime it's posted because
we've already read it.  Someone who just subscribed to the list
would read it.  And, because of the large number of new subscribers,
it makes sense to me, to have it posted more frequently to increase
the chance of reaching new subscribers.  After further thought, maybe
a better way to achieve this, would be to include the FAK in the
welcome message you receive after subscribing?  This would
eliminate the need of having it posted every week.  I realize that
receiving the FAK once a week is annoying to some but there
is a need to find a way to effectively communicate the rules and
focus of this list to new subscribers.

Joe

Jukka Similä wrote:

Ok, I wan't to add my 2 cents :) I've been a "newbie" for a while too,
pretty much as long as Rick, and I quite a much share Rick's opinions
about the state of -newbies.

Jason wrote:
> I may have entered into this conversation a little late, but
> I think that a
> newbie's site would be awesome. The current FBSD newbie's
> page just isn't
> enough for a newbie to pick up on...

my 1st cent:
http://bsdquickstart.freeservers.com
I did send this URL to Sue for a while ago, but I didn't receive any reply..
That is my attempt to make a startup point for newbies.
By the way Rick, this thread was the first time I heard about your site,
and you know what, we have pretty much same links on our sites ;)

>Sue wrote:
>>When you join -newbies you get a brief run-down, and then the FAK
>>is posted once a week. What do you want, daily?

Joe wrote:
>No.  How about every 5 days?

and the 2nd cent:
FAK definitely doesn't need to be posted more often.
It doesn't make any difference, because NOBODY READS IT ANYWAY.
Sorry for shouting. But the FAK is way too long to be posted
weekly.

FAK should be edited to fit in 10 sentences at most. It has the
link to http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ anyway, so
if someone needs more info, he/she can visit the site.

And in case someone wants to bark on that passive form 'FAK
*should* be edited': I volunteer to do that, if nobody else
will ;)

@-,--`--,---
Jukka Simila

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