From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 22 17:37:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from igate.4a.Com (unknown [216.89.33.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D8937B479 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 4a.com (Home.4a.com [216.89.33.219]) by igate.4a.Com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA09159 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:08:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris@4a.com) Message-ID: <39ED4424.F5DEC4B3@4a.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:33:08 -0500 From: Chris Myers Organization: 4avacation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Buying Free BSD on CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We have used Free BSD for years but would like to buy the latest release on CD. Where do we call, write, send money? Cheers! -- Chris Myers 4A Vacation 12651 Briar Forest Ste 195 Houston, TX 77077 PH 281-584-0029 PH 800-639-0450 *** All prices quoted are subject to change due to availability and price changes. *** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 22 17:40:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mel-exch1.eclipsegroup.com.au (unknown [203.134.120.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3DC937B4C5 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Lucas Chan To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: Buying Free BSD on CD Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:39:36 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > We have used Free BSD for years but would like to buy the > latest release > on CD. Where do we call, write, send money? http://www.cdrom.com/ Regards, [ lucas ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 22 18:34:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com (mailout02.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48B937B479 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fmrl00.sul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 13nWV5-00061N-00; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 03:34:07 +0200 Received: from icg-pc202.hofheim.icg-online.de (06192901197-0001@[217.1.128.244]) by fmrl00.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 13nWUr-1x7DYuC; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 03:33:53 +0200 Received: from icg_pc204 (icg-pc204.hofheim.icg-online.de [10.1.2.204]) by icg-pc202.hofheim.icg-online.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA34588; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 03:39:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Usselmann.M@icg-online.de) Message-Id: <200010230139.DAA34588@icg-pc202.hofheim.icg-online.de> From: "Manfred Usselmann" To: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org" Cc: "Chris Myers" Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 03:36:58 +0200 Reply-To: "Manfred Usselmann" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Standard (2.10.2010) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) In-Reply-To: <39ED4424.F5DEC4B3@4a.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Buying Free BSD on CD X-Sender: 06192901197-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:33:08 -0500, Chris Myers wrote: >We have used Free BSD for years but would like to buy the latest release >on CD. Where do we call, write, send money? www.freebsdmall.com Manfred -- Manfred Usselmann usselmann.m@icg-online.de -------------------------------------------------- I C G Informationstechnologie Consulting GmbH Bahnstr. 7, D-65835 Liederbach / Ts. Tel. +49 69 333 623, Fax +49 69 306 845 -------------------------------------------------- http://www.icg-online.de -------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 22 20:51:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta3.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta3.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA8137B479 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Larry ([64.123.32.193]) by mta3.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0G2V006N16MZN1@mta3.rcsntx.swbell.net> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:49:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:50:58 -0500 From: LD Williams Subject: How do I setup a FreeBSD as a server and gateway with a DSL connection To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <000501c03ca4$743e0aa0$0100a8c0@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I use FreeBSD 4.0 How can I setup a server and gateway to the internet with a DSL connection with static IP with FreeBSD unix 4.0.I have DSL service from my ISP a DSL modem and (2) NIC'S I want the FreeBSD Unix Box to share the DSL connection to our LAN ( 6 ) Windows boxex/computers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 22 22:32:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gus33.homeip.net (hybrid-024-221-140-147.az.sprintbbd.net [24.221.140.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C49F837B479 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kdavey@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gus33.homeip.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id WAA04319; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:14:59 -0700 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:14:59 -0700 (MST) From: Keith Davey To: Chris Myers Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Buying Free BSD on CD In-Reply-To: <39ED4424.F5DEC4B3@4a.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org try... http://www.freebsdmall.com/ On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Chris Myers wrote: > We have used Free BSD for years but would like to buy the latest release > on CD. Where do we call, write, send money? > > Cheers! > > -- > Chris Myers > 4A Vacation > 12651 Briar Forest > Ste 195 > Houston, TX 77077 > > PH 281-584-0029 > PH 800-639-0450 > > *** All prices quoted are subject to change due to availability and > price changes. *** > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 23 1: 5: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B761537B479 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p34.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.34]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA535282; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:01:51 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00476; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:52:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:52:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: LD Williams Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How do I setup a FreeBSD as a server and gateway with a DSL connection In-Reply-To: <000501c03ca4$743e0aa0$0100a8c0@swbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > How can I setup a server and gateway to the internet with a DSL connection > with static IP > with FreeBSD unix 4.0.I have DSL service from my ISP a DSL modem and (2) > NIC'S > I want the FreeBSD Unix Box to share the DSL connection to our LAN ( 6 ) > > Windows boxex/computers DSL is special, but its all covered in the handbook and in the faq, /usr/share/doc ... And there is the mailarchive or the questions list at www.freebsd.org. And get the PPP primer (there) to get a basic understanding. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 23 10: 0: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailgw3.netvision.net.il (mailgw3.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB1137B479 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x2h7l1 (ras4-p105.rlz.netvision.net.il [62.0.85.233]) by mailgw3.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA20677 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:59:01 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <000701c03d12$f14c77c0$e955003e@x2h7l1> From: "=?iso-8859-8?B?8un46frp?=" To: Subject: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:01:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C03D23.B19733C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.37 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.37 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C03D23.B19733C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C03D23.B19733C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C03D23.B19733C0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 23 19:12:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe31.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C59137B4CF for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:12:47 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [172.167.170.126] From: "-=Prankster=-" To: Subject: Can U help me? Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:21:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C03D3F.9FE6A220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2000 02:12:47.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[E721E6C0:01C03D5F] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C03D3F.9FE6A220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was wondering if u could help me by givin me some snap shots to see = wut it will look like on my computer and my friend want to see wut it = was like cuz he thought if it's good he might get it so plz help me = out... Gary Deeble II A.K.A.Prankster P7ank5te7@hotmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C03D3F.9FE6A220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was wondering if u could help me = by givin me=20 some snap shots to see wut it will look like on my computer and my = friend want=20 to see wut it was like cuz he thought if it's good he might get it so = plz help=20 me out...
 
 
Gary Deeble II = A.K.A.Prankster
P7ank5te7@hotmail.com
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C03D3F.9FE6A220-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 7:18:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (gargoyle-xl0.apana.org.au [210.215.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AFA937B4CF for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 07:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA71790; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:17:57 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from dougy.apana.org.au(203.3.126.131), claiming to be "dougy" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdR71787; Wed Oct 25 00:17:52 2000 Message-ID: <012c01c03dc6$39f43ae0$837e03cb@dougy> From: "Doug Young" To: "-=Prankster=-" , References: Subject: Re: Can U help me? Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:25:13 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0129_01C03E1A.0ACD6A80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01C03E1A.0ACD6A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmmmm ...... I guess you mean in a GUI mode :) With any unix the = appearance is exactly what you want it to=20 be. I've yet to see two GUI FreeBSD installations that look even vaguely = similar so I dunno what you mean by "good".=20 My suggestion is to visit sites like http://www.xfce.org, = http://www.gnome.org, http://www.kde.org & have a poke=20 around. There's a heap more sites with window managers & no doubt some = of the other regulars lurking around here=20 will have their favourites .... my preference is definitely XFCE because = it looks & performs similarly to the very=20 professional CDE as used in Solaris / SCO / D-UX etc, also I have VERY = bad memories of lockups etc with KDE=20 when I was still messing around with linux, however XFCE is probably = more suited to the more conservative of us .... boy-wonders may well be prepared to accept less stability if they = can get all the flashing lights / bells & whistles / dancing girls / etc provided with the likes of Enlightenment ----- Original Message -----=20 From: -=3DPrankster=3D-=20 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 12:21 PM Subject: Can U help me? I was wondering if u could help me by givin me some snap shots to see = wut it will look like on my computer and my friend want to see wut it = was like cuz he thought if it's good he might get it so plz help me = out... Gary Deeble II A.K.A.Prankster P7ank5te7@hotmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01C03E1A.0ACD6A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hmmmmm ...... I guess you mean in a GUI = mode :)=20 With any unix the appearance is exactly what you want it to =
be. I've yet to see two GUI FreeBSD = installations=20 that look even vaguely similar so I = dunno what=20 you mean by "good".
My suggestion is to visit sites like http://www.xfce.org, http://www.gnome.org, http://www.kde.org & have a poke =
around. There's a heap more sites with = window=20 managers & no doubt some of the = other=20 regulars lurking around here
will have their favourites .... my = preference is=20 definitely XFCE because it looks = &=20 performs similarly to the very
professional CDE as used in Solaris / = SCO / D-UX=20 etc, also I have VERY bad memories of = lockups etc=20 with KDE
when I was still messing around with = linux,=20 however XFCE is probably more suited to the more conservative of us
 .... boy-wonders may = well be prepared to accept less=20 stability if they can = get all the flashing lights / bells & = whistles
 / dancing=20 girls / etc provided with the likes of Enlightenment
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 -=3DPrankster=3D-
To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG =
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 = 12:21=20 PM
Subject: Can U help me?

I was wondering if u could help = me by givin=20 me some snap shots to see wut it will look like on my computer and my = friend=20 want to see wut it was like cuz he thought if it's good he might get = it so plz=20 help me out...
 
 
Gary Deeble II = A.K.A.Prankster
P7ank5te7@hotmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01C03E1A.0ACD6A80-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 10: 8:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1723137B4C5 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA5B1A; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:11:51 -0700 Message-ID: <39F5C174.C316DFA9@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:05:56 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Young Cc: -=Prankster=- , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can U help me? References: <012c01c03dc6$39f43ae0$837e03cb@dougy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > My suggestion is to visit sites like http://www.xfce.org, http://www.gnome.org, > > > > > > > http://www.kde.org Even better, check out http://www.themes.org. There you can find themes and eyecandy for GTK, KDE, Enlightenment, Sawmill, WindowMaker, Blackbox, IceWM... David Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 10:26:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from exchserver.impact8.com (unknown [216.98.200.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1F337B479; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:26:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by EXCHSERVER with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:22:39 -0600 Message-ID: <572C6148D69AD4119DEB00D0B765D10B040DC2@EXCHSERVER> From: Peter Kuyarov To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" , "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: PPP takes a dump Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:22:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have run successfully user ppp and NATd, I did a cvsup src-all (never recompiled it it only started downloading before I ended it and turned off the pc) I turned it on next day, now ppp does not work: #ppp Working in interactvie mode DATE/TIME uid 0 ppp (pid 555) exited on signal 12 core dumped invalid system call # [well somethign along those lines] What can be causing this? Did cvsup upgrade my bins? (I put it into /usr/src) and that is all I did when it was working, turn off pc, turn it back on, ppp is dead. I have not tried kernel ppp yet. I have also noticed that sendmail is dumping on me (signal 12 also) I dont' know if this was doing it before but just in case I'm telling you guys. I have submitted this before, but I was not sure if it ever went thru or not. TY for all your help --- http://users.americanisp.net/~peterk/images/takeittux.jpg --- The Power to Make One Laugh --- www.nul.cjb.net --- The Power to Crash --- www.FreeBSD.org --- The Power to Serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 10:33:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pfa0frpk001.panasonicfa.com (unknown [38.248.119.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FAC37B479 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by exchange.panasonicfa.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:33:20 -0500 Message-ID: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CC5@exchange.panasonicfa.com> From: "Zaitsau, Andrei" To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: My Experience With FreeBSD Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:33:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am not sure if someone would be interested in reading this, but anyway, here is the story of me and FreeBSD. Two years ago I heard about Unix, Linux and other stuff. And I really got interested in it. So I tried to install couple of Linux Distribution. But none of them worked out for me. I tried different distributions, but hey I was not able to install it properly. I ran into problems with Hardware and some other stuff. But in March of 2000 I have heard about FreeBSD, It changed my whole life. I Bought FreeBSD 3.4 CD set, and hey From very first installation of FreeBSD I succeeded. Two months later I learned how to compile kernel properly and other stuff. I got ADSL in May, ran into configuration problems, but here we go again, people from mailing lists of FreeBSD community were not aggressive and very helpful to me so I was able configure everything I wanted. Now I am running my FreeBSD as a Gateway, and 4 computers are connected to it, sharing my ADSL connection. And as always continuing learning FreeBSD. :) I just want to say Thanks to whole friendly FreeBSD community. As far as you guys alive FreeBSD will be alive, and will move on ! Andrei Zaitsau. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 10:37:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from stud.alakhawayn.ma (stud.alakhawayn.ma [193.194.63.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE9637B4CF for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (961BE653994@localhost) by stud.alakhawayn.ma (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA28967; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:32:15 GMT Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:32:15 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAOUI EL HASSANI ALI <961BE653994@stud.alakhawayn.ma> To: "Zaitsau, Andrei" Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: My Experience With FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CC5@exchange.panasonicfa.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org it is very interesting story. keep up the good faith in FreeBSD!!! On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Zaitsau, Andrei wrote: > I am not sure if someone would be interested in reading this, but anyway, > here is the story of me and FreeBSD. > Two years ago I heard about Unix, Linux and other stuff. And I really got > interested in it. So I tried to install couple of Linux Distribution. But > none of them worked out for me. I tried different distributions, but hey I > was not able to install it properly. I ran into problems with Hardware and > some other stuff. > But in March of 2000 I have heard about FreeBSD, It changed my whole life. > I Bought FreeBSD 3.4 CD set, and hey From very first installation of > FreeBSD I succeeded. Two months later I learned how to compile kernel > properly and other stuff. I got ADSL in May, ran into configuration > problems, but here we go again, people from mailing lists of FreeBSD > community were not aggressive and very helpful to me so I was able configure > everything I wanted. Now I am running my FreeBSD as a Gateway, and 4 > computers are connected to it, sharing my ADSL connection. And as always > continuing learning FreeBSD. :) > I just want to say Thanks to whole friendly FreeBSD community. As far as > you guys alive FreeBSD will be alive, and will move on ! > > Andrei Zaitsau. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 11:28:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (c014-h001.c014.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8546537B4C5 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (cpmta 13130 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 11:20:12 -0700 Received: from m12hRs4n205.midsouth.rr.com (HELO mike) (24.95.125.205) by smtp.valuedata.net (209.228.12.65) with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 11:20:12 -0700 X-Sent: 24 Oct 2000 18:20:12 GMT Message-ID: <004501c00df7$d6c9b380$0200000a@mike> From: "Daryl Chance" To: "FreeBSD Newbies" , References: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CC5@exchange.panasonicfa.com> Subject: Re: My Experience With FreeBSD Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:19:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org cross posting to Advocacy (hope this is the right thing to do) and I guess the thread can continue on there or stick in newbies... :) It seems lately we get about 1 or 2 of these every month or so, has anyone thought about putting up a "success stories" link on the freebsd.org site? Could post these emails in full on the site and that way if someone happens upon it they check it out and see "hmm, heres all these people that are having problems installing linux, or don't know much about *nix at all and are having little to no problems getting FreeBSD up and running fully". Might draw a couple more people :). Thoughts? PS: If needed, I could do searches and find the success stories in the archive and send them to whomever would want them to post on the site. -------------------------------------------------------- | Daryl Chance | I have made this letter longer then | | Valuedata, LLC | usual because I lacked the time to | | Memphis, TN | make it shorter. -- Blaise Pascal | -------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zaitsau, Andrei" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 12:33 PM Subject: My Experience With FreeBSD > I am not sure if someone would be interested in reading this, but anyway, > here is the story of me and FreeBSD. > Two years ago I heard about Unix, Linux and other stuff. And I really got > interested in it. So I tried to install couple of Linux Distribution. But > none of them worked out for me. I tried different distributions, but hey I > was not able to install it properly. I ran into problems with Hardware and > some other stuff. > But in March of 2000 I have heard about FreeBSD, It changed my whole life. > I Bought FreeBSD 3.4 CD set, and hey From very first installation of > FreeBSD I succeeded. Two months later I learned how to compile kernel > properly and other stuff. I got ADSL in May, ran into configuration > problems, but here we go again, people from mailing lists of FreeBSD > community were not aggressive and very helpful to me so I was able configure > everything I wanted. Now I am running my FreeBSD as a Gateway, and 4 > computers are connected to it, sharing my ADSL connection. And as always > continuing learning FreeBSD. :) > I just want to say Thanks to whole friendly FreeBSD community. As far as > you guys alive FreeBSD will be alive, and will move on ! > > Andrei Zaitsau. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 11:47:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.scana.com (falcon.scana.com [161.156.101.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A7937B479; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by falcon.scana.com; id OAA19379; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailexnet.scana.com(161.156.248.69) by falcon.scana.com via smap (V5.5) id xma019309; Tue, 24 Oct 00 14:47:01 -0400 Received: by mailexnet.scana.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:46:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" To: "'freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org'" Cc: "'Daryl Chance'" , "'FreeBSD Newbies'" Subject: RE: My Experience With FreeBSD Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:46:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Great idea! I think newbies would find this very useful and interesting. I know I would have when I was looking at FreeBSD for the first time. Would be nice to have a full advocacy site, with tons of comparison data and users opinions as well 'experience' posts. ...Michael... > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Daryl Chance > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 2:19 PM > To: FreeBSD Newbies; freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: My Experience With FreeBSD > > > cross posting to Advocacy (hope this is the right thing to do) > and I guess the thread can continue on there or stick in newbies... :) > > It seems lately we get about 1 or 2 of these every month or so, > has anyone thought about putting up a "success stories" link > on the freebsd.org site? Could post these emails in full > on the site and that way if someone happens upon it they > check it out and see "hmm, heres all these people that are > having problems installing linux, or don't know much about *nix > at all and are having little to no problems getting FreeBSD up > and running fully". > > Might draw a couple more people :). > > Thoughts? > > PS: If needed, I could do searches and find the success stories > in the archive and send them to whomever would want them to > post on the site. > -------------------------------------------------------- > | Daryl Chance | I have made this letter longer then | > | Valuedata, LLC | usual because I lacked the time to | > | Memphis, TN | make it shorter. -- Blaise Pascal | > -------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Zaitsau, Andrei" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 12:33 PM > Subject: My Experience With FreeBSD > > > > I am not sure if someone would be interested in reading > this, but anyway, > > here is the story of me and FreeBSD. > > Two years ago I heard about Unix, Linux and other stuff. > And I really got > > interested in it. So I tried to install couple of Linux > Distribution. But > > none of them worked out for me. I tried different > distributions, but hey I > > was not able to install it properly. I ran into problems > with Hardware and > > some other stuff. > > But in March of 2000 I have heard about FreeBSD, It > changed my whole > life. > > I Bought FreeBSD 3.4 CD set, and hey From very first > installation of > > FreeBSD I succeeded. Two months later I learned how to > compile kernel > > properly and other stuff. I got ADSL in May, ran into configuration > > problems, but here we go again, people from mailing lists of FreeBSD > > community were not aggressive and very helpful to me so I was able > configure > > everything I wanted. Now I am running my FreeBSD as a Gateway, and 4 > > computers are connected to it, sharing my ADSL connection. > And as always > > continuing learning FreeBSD. :) > > I just want to say Thanks to whole friendly FreeBSD > community. As far as > > you guys alive FreeBSD will be alive, and will move on ! > > > > Andrei Zaitsau. > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 12:30:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.rdc1.il.home.com (mail1.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A721537B4C5 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marx.elvisinthemorning.net ([24.17.229.11]) by mail1.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001024193013.YFMI20067.mail1.rdc1.il.home.com@marx.elvisinthemorning.net> for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:30:13 -0700 Received: (from vcardona@localhost) by marx.elvisinthemorning.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id e9OJUXl12131 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:30:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from vcardona) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:30:33 -0500 From: "Victor R. Cardona" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My Experience With FreeBSD Message-ID: <20001024143033.C12045@home.com> References: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CC5@exchange.panasonicfa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CC5@exchange.panasonicfa.com>; from AZaitsau@panasonicfa.com on Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 12:33:19PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It is good to here stories like this. I am a FreeBSD newbie, and so far am very impressed. I cannot slam Linux though. It got me started with UNIX. Victor Cardona On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 12:33:19PM -0500, Zaitsau, Andrei wrote: > I am not sure if someone would be interested in reading this, but anyway, > here is the story of me and FreeBSD. > Two years ago I heard about Unix, Linux and other stuff. And I really got > interested in it. So I tried to install couple of Linux Distribution. But > none of them worked out for me. I tried different distributions, but hey I > was not able to install it properly. I ran into problems with Hardware and > some other stuff. > But in March of 2000 I have heard about FreeBSD, It changed my whole life. > I Bought FreeBSD 3.4 CD set, and hey From very first installation of > FreeBSD I succeeded. Two months later I learned how to compile kernel > properly and other stuff. I got ADSL in May, ran into configuration > problems, but here we go again, people from mailing lists of FreeBSD > community were not aggressive and very helpful to me so I was able configure > everything I wanted. Now I am running my FreeBSD as a Gateway, and 4 > computers are connected to it, sharing my ADSL connection. And as always > continuing learning FreeBSD. :) > I just want to say Thanks to whole friendly FreeBSD community. As far as > you guys alive FreeBSD will be alive, and will move on ! > > Andrei Zaitsau. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 15: 8:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.tznet.com (smtp.tznet.com [206.31.5.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AB137B479 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from darkangel.gothic.com ([205.216.111.110]) by smtp.tznet.com with ESMTP (IPAD 2.52/64) id 2865700; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:08:15 -0500 Received: by darkangel.gothic.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0C5874E; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:15:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:15:53 -0500 From: Michael Urban To: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My Experience With FreeBSD Message-ID: <20001024171553.A332@tznet.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from MSILVER@scana.com on Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 02:46:59PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I happen to be working on just such a site.. There is nothing up yet, but the URL will be www.stationbsd.com. Anyone who wants to write a success story or a how-to article for newbies, I am currently open to submissions. Please note, I am primarily interested in promoting FreeBSD as a workstation/desktop OS on this site. There are plenty of sites that already sing the praises of FreeBSD as a server OS. So I am more interested in workstation/desktop articles. Please don't send server how to articles unless you think they are "cross-over" articles (email configuration for example). On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 02:46:59PM -0400, SILVER, MICHAEL A wrote: > Great idea! I think newbies would find this very useful and interesting. I > know I would have when I was looking at FreeBSD for the first time. Would > be nice to have a full advocacy site, with tons of comparison data and users > opinions as well 'experience' posts. > > ...Michael... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Daryl Chance > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 2:19 PM > > To: FreeBSD Newbies; freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: My Experience With FreeBSD > > > > > > cross posting to Advocacy (hope this is the right thing to do) > > and I guess the thread can continue on there or stick in newbies... :) > > > > It seems lately we get about 1 or 2 of these every month or so, > > has anyone thought about putting up a "success stories" link > > on the freebsd.org site? Could post these emails in full > > on the site and that way if someone happens upon it they > > check it out and see "hmm, heres all these people that are > > having problems installing linux, or don't know much about *nix > > at all and are having little to no problems getting FreeBSD up > > and running fully". > > > > Might draw a couple more people :). > > > > Thoughts? > > > > PS: If needed, I could do searches and find the success stories > > in the archive and send them to whomever would want them to > > post on the site. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > | Daryl Chance | I have made this letter longer then | > > | Valuedata, LLC | usual because I lacked the time to | > > | Memphis, TN | make it shorter. -- Blaise Pascal | > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Zaitsau, Andrei" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 12:33 PM > > Subject: My Experience With FreeBSD > > > > > > > I am not sure if someone would be interested in reading > > this, but anyway, > > > here is the story of me and FreeBSD. > > > Two years ago I heard about Unix, Linux and other stuff. > > And I really got > > > interested in it. So I tried to install couple of Linux > > Distribution. But > > > none of them worked out for me. I tried different > > distributions, but hey I > > > was not able to install it properly. I ran into problems > > with Hardware and > > > some other stuff. > > > But in March of 2000 I have heard about FreeBSD, It > > changed my whole > > life. > > > I Bought FreeBSD 3.4 CD set, and hey From very first > > installation of > > > FreeBSD I succeeded. Two months later I learned how to > > compile kernel > > > properly and other stuff. I got ADSL in May, ran into configuration > > > problems, but here we go again, people from mailing lists of FreeBSD > > > community were not aggressive and very helpful to me so I was able > > configure > > > everything I wanted. Now I am running my FreeBSD as a Gateway, and 4 > > > computers are connected to it, sharing my ADSL connection. > > And as always > > > continuing learning FreeBSD. :) > > > I just want to say Thanks to whole friendly FreeBSD > > community. As far as > > > you guys alive FreeBSD will be alive, and will move on ! > > > > > > Andrei Zaitsau. > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 15:58:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pfa0frpk001.panasonicfa.com (unknown [38.248.119.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357E637B479 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by exchange.panasonicfa.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:57:53 -0500 Message-ID: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CCA@exchange.panasonicfa.com> From: "Zaitsau, Andrei" To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: If someone is interested in configuring ADSL under FreeBSD. Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:57:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From the same source... If someone is interested... Well Here is one more story how did I configure my ADSL under FreeBSD. It took me about 2 months to figure out how to configure ADSL under FreeBSD. I have very little knowledge of UNIX, so I was looking some support from my ISP (Ameritech). But they told me to configure it myself, because they do not have support for FreeBSD. Oh, well I started searching the web. But the first thing I noticed there were a lot of people complaining about PPPoE, and to say truth it scared me. I thought, oh my God how I would be able ever configure it, I do not know anything about UNIX...:( But piece by piece, I collected different information from different sources. But finally end up by FreeBSD mailing list where I found all the answers for my questions. And what do you think? It worked!!! You should see me jumping in the room :) Finally ,if some one is interested how to configure ADSL (well all this steps worked for me) read e-mail further. A few things I would like to add. I don't want to play flaming game about Linux VS. FreeBSD all I want to say is: 1) I was not able to configure ADSL under any of Distribution of Linux.(even after I installed it on FreeBSD 3.4) 2)I was not able to install it after FreeBSD 3.5 (it gives me NETGRAPH errors but it could be my fault, I have no Idea what is NETGRAPH ) 3)The configuration of PPPoE that provided in FreeBSD Handbook(www.freebsd.org) did not work in my case. And once Again I would like to say Thanks to all FreeBSD mailing Lists. ######### STEP 1 ############# # Kernel Configuration: # You need to add those 3 lines in your kernel and compile it. # In my case It was a copy of LINT ' /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/ -kernel directory # Using vi editor I added those 3lines: options NETGRAPH options NERGRAPH_PPPOE options NETGRAPH_SOCKET # Afterwards you need to compile it # /usr/sbin/config -g 'Kernel Name' # cd ../../compile/MORPH # make depend # make # make install # shutdown -r now ######## STEP 2 ################ # Please Notice: # Before default: & pppoe: do not put space !!!! # Put ONE SPACE BEFORE ANY OTHER OPTION !!! # EDIT /etc/ppp/ppp.conf default: set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command nat enable yes nat same_ports yes nat same_sockets yes set redial 15 28800 set reconnect 15 28800 pppoe: set device PPPoE:pn0: # Device name in my case pn0 set mru 1492 set mtu 1492 set speed sync set cd 5 set dial set login set timeout 0 set authname login-name # Put Your Log In here set authkey password # Put Your Password in here set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255 0 0.0.0.0 add default HISADDR enable dns ###### STEP 3 (OPTION I) ################## # EDIT /etc/rc.conf network_interfaces="auto" ifconfig_pn0=" inet 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 -arp up" ppp_enable="YES" ppp_mode="background" ppp_profile="pppoe" ###### STEP 3 (OPTION II) ################## # Or, you can start connection manualy # Type PPP # You Should get something like this # ppp ON> # Type dial pppoe # You should get something like: # Ppp ON> # PPp ON> # PPP ON> # LAST LINE IN CAPITALS, IT MEANS YOU ARE CONNECTED TO ISP BY xDSL To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 16: 4:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (gargoyle-xl0.apana.org.au [210.215.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 817C337B479 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA76423; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:04:09 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from dougy.apana.org.au(203.3.126.131), claiming to be "dougy" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdx76421; Wed Oct 25 09:04:01 2000 Message-ID: <002d01c03e0f$bb48dd00$837e03cb@dougy> From: "Doug Young" To: "David Johnson" Cc: References: <012c01c03dc6$39f43ae0$837e03cb@dougy> <39F5C174.C316DFA9@acuson.com> Subject: Re: Can U help me? Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:11:23 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I knew someone would chip in with stuff like that :) .... really dunno why people need to clutter their desktop with all that rubbish anyway but I guess its supposed to be a free country (both OZ and yankeeland) Maybe these boy-wonders just wish to make their system look like WinWhatever ..... wall to wall icons !!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Johnson" To: "Doug Young" Cc: "-=Prankster=-" ; Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 3:05 AM Subject: Re: Can U help me? > > My suggestion is to visit sites like http://www.xfce.org, http://www.gnome.org, > > > > > > > http://www.kde.org > > Even better, check out http://www.themes.org. There you can find themes > and eyecandy for GTK, KDE, Enlightenment, Sawmill, WindowMaker, > Blackbox, IceWM... > > David Johnson > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 16:19: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (gargoyle-xl0.apana.org.au [210.215.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1210D37B479 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA76579; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:18:50 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from dougy.apana.org.au(203.3.126.131), claiming to be "dougy" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdc76575; Wed Oct 25 09:18:45 2000 Message-ID: <005101c03e11$ca0efd40$837e03cb@dougy> From: "Doug Young" To: "Zaitsau, Andrei" , "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" References: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CCA@exchange.panasonicfa.com> Subject: Re: If someone is interested in configuring ADSL under FreeBSD. Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:26:07 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for that Andrei ..... we are just starting to see a bit of ADSL around this part of the planet so its good to have some real "grass roots" info on the config stuff :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zaitsau, Andrei" To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 8:57 AM Subject: If someone is interested in configuring ADSL under FreeBSD. > >From the same source... If someone is interested... > Well Here is one more story how did I configure my ADSL under FreeBSD. > It took me about 2 months to figure out how to configure ADSL under FreeBSD. > I have very little knowledge of UNIX, so I was looking some support from my > ISP (Ameritech). But they told me to configure it myself, because they do > not have support for FreeBSD. Oh, well I started searching the web. But the > first thing I noticed there were a lot of people complaining about PPPoE, > and to say truth it scared me. I thought, oh my God how I would be able ever > configure it, I do not know anything about UNIX...:( But piece by piece, I > collected different information from different sources. But finally end up > by FreeBSD mailing list where I found all the answers for my questions. And > what do you think? It worked!!! You should see me jumping in the room :) > Finally ,if some one is interested how to configure ADSL (well all this > steps worked for me) read e-mail further. > A few things I would like to add. I don't want to play flaming game about > Linux VS. FreeBSD all I want to say is: > 1) I was not able to configure ADSL under any of Distribution of Linux.(even > after I installed it on FreeBSD 3.4) > 2)I was not able to install it after FreeBSD 3.5 (it gives me NETGRAPH > errors but it could be my fault, I have no Idea what is NETGRAPH ) > > 3)The configuration of PPPoE that provided in FreeBSD > Handbook(www.freebsd.org) did not work in my case. > > And once Again I would like to say Thanks to all FreeBSD mailing Lists. > > > ######### STEP 1 ############# > > # Kernel Configuration: > # You need to add those 3 lines in your kernel and compile it. > # In my case It was a copy of LINT ' /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/ -kernel > directory > # Using vi editor I added those 3lines: > > options NETGRAPH > options NERGRAPH_PPPOE > options NETGRAPH_SOCKET > > # Afterwards you need to compile it > # /usr/sbin/config -g 'Kernel Name' > # cd ../../compile/MORPH > # make depend > # make > # make install > # shutdown -r now > > > ######## STEP 2 ################ > > # Please Notice: > # Before default: & pppoe: do not put space !!!! > # Put ONE SPACE BEFORE ANY OTHER OPTION !!! > > > > # EDIT /etc/ppp/ppp.conf > > default: > set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command > nat enable yes > nat same_ports yes > nat same_sockets yes > set redial 15 28800 > set reconnect 15 28800 > > pppoe: > set device PPPoE:pn0: # Device name in my case pn0 > set mru 1492 > set mtu 1492 > set speed sync > set cd 5 > set dial > set login > set timeout 0 > set authname login-name # Put Your Log In here > set authkey password # Put Your Password in here > set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255 0 0.0.0.0 > add default HISADDR > enable dns > > > ###### STEP 3 (OPTION I) ################## > > # EDIT /etc/rc.conf > > network_interfaces="auto" > ifconfig_pn0=" inet 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 -arp up" > ppp_enable="YES" > ppp_mode="background" > ppp_profile="pppoe" > > > ###### STEP 3 (OPTION II) ################## > > # Or, you can start connection manualy > # Type PPP > # You Should get something like this > # ppp ON> > # Type dial pppoe > # You should get something like: > # Ppp ON> > # PPp ON> > # PPP ON> > # LAST LINE IN CAPITALS, IT MEANS YOU ARE CONNECTED TO ISP BY xDSL > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 16:23:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from drizzle.com (twinpeaks.drizzle.com [216.162.192.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B49537B479 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mook@localhost) by drizzle.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id e9ONNG518199 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:23:16 -0700 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:23:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Cummings To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can U help me? In-Reply-To: <002d01c03e0f$bb48dd00$837e03cb@dougy> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Doug Young wrote: > I knew someone would chip in with stuff like that :) .... really dunno why > people need to clutter their desktop with all that rubbish anyway but I > guess its supposed to be a free country (both OZ and yankeeland) Maybe > these boy-wonders just wish to make their system look like WinWhatever > ..... wall to wall icons !!!!! In fairness, most of these themes don't really add icons or other stuff, they just change color schemes, sometimes window frames, and maybe add a background graphic (or terminal background). The themes vary a lot in their complexity. I, too, dislike "busy" themes, but there are some fairly simple and elegant themes there, too. Some semi-pornographic ones for those with active glands, too (being an ancient 30-something, I don;t have this problem anymore). ,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------. > Mike Cummings | "Ninety percent of the politicians give the other < > mook@drizzle.com | ten percent a bad reputation." < > ICQ #34152632 | --Henry Kissinger < `-----------------------------------------------------------------------------' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 16:25:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518F437B479 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:25:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.41.151]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA722D; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:28:34 -0700 Message-ID: <39F619C3.86021CC@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:22:43 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Young Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can U help me? References: <012c01c03dc6$39f43ae0$837e03cb@dougy> <39F5C174.C316DFA9@acuson.com> <002d01c03e0f$bb48dd00$837e03cb@dougy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Young wrote: > > I knew someone would chip in with stuff like that :) .... really dunno why > people need > to clutter their desktop with all that rubbish anyway but I guess its > supposed to be a > free country (both OZ and yankeeland) Maybe these boy-wonders just wish to > make their > system look like WinWhatever ..... wall to wall icons !!!!! The original poster wanted some screenshots of what FreeBSD looked like. From my experience, people who need screenshots to decide if FreeBSD is for them or not, are not the kind of people that will be too impressed with a picture of a shell prompt, and an xterm under twm ain't much better. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 16:43:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (gargoyle-xl0.apana.org.au [210.215.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59F037B479 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA76993; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:43:21 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from dougy.apana.org.au(203.3.126.131), claiming to be "dougy" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdL76991; Wed Oct 25 09:43:14 2000 Message-ID: <006301c03e15$358e7de0$837e03cb@dougy> From: "Doug Young" To: "David Johnson" Cc: References: <012c01c03dc6$39f43ae0$837e03cb@dougy> <39F5C174.C316DFA9@acuson.com> <002d01c03e0f$bb48dd00$837e03cb@dougy> <39F619C3.86021CC@acuson.com> Subject: Re: Can U help me? Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:50:36 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org well said :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Johnson" To: "Doug Young" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 9:22 AM Subject: Re: Can U help me? > Doug Young wrote: > > > > I knew someone would chip in with stuff like that :) .... really dunno why > > people need > > to clutter their desktop with all that rubbish anyway but I guess its > > supposed to be a > > free country (both OZ and yankeeland) Maybe these boy-wonders just wish to > > make their > > system look like WinWhatever ..... wall to wall icons !!!!! > > The original poster wanted some screenshots of what FreeBSD looked like. > From my experience, people who need screenshots to decide if FreeBSD is > for them or not, are not the kind of people that will be too impressed > with a picture of a shell prompt, and an xterm under twm ain't much > better. > > David > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 17:15:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f231.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30BF37B479 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:15:42 -0700 Received: from 152.163.204.181 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:15:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.204.181] From: "derchung lin" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: How to setup FreeBSD with DSL Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:15:42 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2000 00:15:42.0708 (UTC) FILETIME=[B66C9340:01C03E18] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can someone give me a hint as how to configure FreeBSD to use DSL. Thanks. Tom _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 17:36: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013AE37B479 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.41.151]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA55E3; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:39:17 -0700 Message-ID: <39F62A56.3FDF1ABB@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:33:26 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: derchung lin Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to setup FreeBSD with DSL References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org derchung lin wrote: > > Can someone give me a hint as how to configure FreeBSD to use DSL. > Thanks. Most SDSL and ADSL connections will be quite standard. From your DSL router or bridge, it should act as a standard ethernet connection. You will need to delve further (on -questions) if you DSL provider uses PPPoE or IDSL. You should also talk to your provider about FreeBSD. A lot of them will say they know nothing about it, but you never know... If you haven't settled on a provider yet, see if you can try out their service first with FreeBSD before committing to a one or two year contract. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 18: 4: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4BF37B4C5 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p184.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.184]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA519634 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 03:00:50 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00284 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:35:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:35:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Story with OSS anyone ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, surprise, surprise, there is a commercial sounddriver for FreeBSD, that is loaded after booting, the demo gives 3 hours, then you have to soundoff;soundon and more music or whatever. This driver claims to support midi but I couldnt find any player on the CDs. Anyway, some sound, but also some rythmic clicking, like Kraftwerk, new music.. Has anybody ever experienced this ? The URL is www.opensound.com. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 18:11:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (gargoyle-xl0.apana.org.au [210.215.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1ED37B479 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA78063; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:10:56 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from dougy.apana.org.au(203.3.126.131), claiming to be "dougy" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdo78059; Wed Oct 25 11:10:50 2000 Message-ID: <007b01c03e21$72524110$837e03cb@dougy> From: "Doug Young" To: "Heiko Recktenwald" , References: Subject: Re: Story with OSS anyone ? Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:18:12 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I had a mess around with OSS stuff in Solaris but was far from impressed ... got infinitely better results from open source alternatives like timidity & Netscape plug-ins ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heiko Recktenwald" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 9:35 AM Subject: Story with OSS anyone ? > Hi, surprise, surprise, there is a commercial sounddriver for FreeBSD, > that is loaded after booting, the demo gives 3 hours, then you have to > soundoff;soundon and more music or whatever. This driver claims to support > midi but I couldnt find any player on the CDs. Anyway, some sound, but > also some rythmic clicking, like Kraftwerk, new music.. Has anybody ever > experienced this ? The URL is www.opensound.com. > > H. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 18:54:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n37.san.rr.com (dt051n37.san.rr.com [204.210.32.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA43F37B4C5 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slave (Studded@slave [10.0.0.1]) by dt051n37.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA95311; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:54:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:54:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton X-Sender: doug@dt051n37.san.rr.com To: "Victor R. Cardona" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My Experience With FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20001024143033.C12045@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Victor R. Cardona wrote: > It is good to here stories like this. I am a FreeBSD newbie, and so far > am very impressed. I cannot slam Linux though. It got me started with > UNIX. That's an excellent attitude to have. Linux is not our enemy. There are some (ok, IMO a lot) of things that we do better then they do, and there are some things they do better than we do. If you need an enemy, aim at microsoft. And not because they are closed source, because the company itself is evil, and uses its market position to unfairly supress competition and creativity. Doug -- "The dead cannot be seduced." - Kai, "Lexx" Do YOU Yahoo!? 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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C03E13.D769A6A0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 20:41:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF35537B4C5 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:41:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8C4853294; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:05:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BCBA3293; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:05:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:05:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: derchung lin Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to setup FreeBSD with DSL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You're really better of asking questions in -questions. :) You'll get more and better answers. You also might want to think about searching the mailing lists at http://www.freebsd.org This subject has been answered to death. :) Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, derchung lin wrote: > Can someone give me a hint as how to configure FreeBSD to use DSL. > Thanks. > > Tom > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 22:24:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C32237B479; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vnode.vmunix.com (Postfix, from userid 1005) id 0455611; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vnode.vmunix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC76049A13; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:24:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Daryl Chance Cc: FreeBSD Newbies , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My Experience With FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <004501c00df7$d6c9b380$0200000a@mike> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Daemon News has an ongoing column called "Adventures in BSD" which publishes success stories of people using BSD. Please feel free to submit your articles to it. articles@daemonnews.org Chris Coleman Daemon News http://www.daemonnews.org Bringing BSD together On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Daryl Chance wrote: > cross posting to Advocacy (hope this is the right thing to do) > and I guess the thread can continue on there or stick in newbies... :) > > It seems lately we get about 1 or 2 of these every month or so, > has anyone thought about putting up a "success stories" link > on the freebsd.org site? Could post these emails in full > on the site and that way if someone happens upon it they > check it out and see "hmm, heres all these people that are > having problems installing linux, or don't know much about *nix > at all and are having little to no problems getting FreeBSD up > and running fully". > > Might draw a couple more people :). > > Thoughts? > > PS: If needed, I could do searches and find the success stories > in the archive and send them to whomever would want them to > post on the site. > -------------------------------------------------------- > | Daryl Chance | I have made this letter longer then | > | Valuedata, LLC | usual because I lacked the time to | > | Memphis, TN | make it shorter. -- Blaise Pascal | > -------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Zaitsau, Andrei" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 12:33 PM > Subject: My Experience With FreeBSD > > > > I am not sure if someone would be interested in reading this, but anyway, > > here is the story of me and FreeBSD. > > Two years ago I heard about Unix, Linux and other stuff. And I really got > > interested in it. So I tried to install couple of Linux Distribution. But > > none of them worked out for me. I tried different distributions, but hey I > > was not able to install it properly. I ran into problems with Hardware and > > some other stuff. > > But in March of 2000 I have heard about FreeBSD, It changed my whole > life. > > I Bought FreeBSD 3.4 CD set, and hey From very first installation of > > FreeBSD I succeeded. Two months later I learned how to compile kernel > > properly and other stuff. I got ADSL in May, ran into configuration > > problems, but here we go again, people from mailing lists of FreeBSD > > community were not aggressive and very helpful to me so I was able > configure > > everything I wanted. Now I am running my FreeBSD as a Gateway, and 4 > > computers are connected to it, sharing my ADSL connection. And as always > > continuing learning FreeBSD. :) > > I just want to say Thanks to whole friendly FreeBSD community. As far as > > you guys alive FreeBSD will be alive, and will move on ! > > > > Andrei Zaitsau. > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 24 23:41:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rm-rstar.sfu.ca (rm-rstar.sfu.ca [142.58.120.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1D337B479 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cultus.sfu.ca (cultus.sfu.ca [142.58.101.5]) by rm-rstar.sfu.ca (8.10.1/8.10.1/SFU-5.0H) with ESMTP id e9P6fPV09280 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010250641.e9P6fPV09280@rm-rstar.sfu.ca> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Raj Nallapothola Organization: Simon Fraser University Computing /Nerdinthebox solutions Inc. X-Sender: rajn@popserver.sfu.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Raj Nallapothola Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:41:25 PDT X-Mailer: SFUwebmail 2.70 Subject: newbie alert! Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi ! I'm one of em Newbies! wanting to learn about BSD...pls. add me to any mailing lists for newbies. (almost have BSD up and running on my home network : ) ) -Raj Raj Nallapothola Simon Fraser University Computing ShadUBC 98 Graduate Rajn@sfu.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 0:55:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com (mailout04.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63D137B4C5 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fmrl03.sul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 13oLOx-0006D3-01; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:55:11 +0200 Received: from icg-pc202.hofheim.icg-online.de (06192901197-0001@[217.1.124.79]) by fmrl03.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 13oLOr-16pRzcC; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:55:05 +0200 Received: from icg-pc204.hofheim.icg-online.de (icg-pc204.hofheim.icg-online.de [10.1.2.204]) by icg-pc202.hofheim.icg-online.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA41529 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:02:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Usselmann.M@icg-online.de) Message-Id: <200010250802.KAA41529@icg-pc202.hofheim.icg-online.de> From: "Manfred Usselmann" To: "freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org" Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:58:17 +0100 (MEZ) Reply-To: "Manfred Usselmann" X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <005101c03e11$ca0efd40$837e03cb@dougy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: If someone is interested in configuring ADSL under FreeBSD. X-Sender: 06192901197-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I inserted some small comments which might be helpful too. Manfred >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Zaitsau, Andrei" >To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" >Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 8:57 AM >Subject: If someone is interested in configuring ADSL under FreeBSD. > > >> >From the same source... If someone is interested... >> Well Here is one more story how did I configure my ADSL under FreeBSD. >> It took me about 2 months to figure out how to configure ADSL under >FreeBSD. >> I have very little knowledge of UNIX, so I was looking some support from >my >> ISP (Ameritech). But they told me to configure it myself, because they do >> not have support for FreeBSD. Oh, well I started searching the web. But >the >> first thing I noticed there were a lot of people complaining about PPPoE, >> and to say truth it scared me. I thought, oh my God how I would be able >ever >> configure it, I do not know anything about UNIX...:( But piece by piece, I >> collected different information from different sources. But finally end up >> by FreeBSD mailing list where I found all the answers for my questions. It is really not that complicated as you might think. There are also some good web pages covering this topic. e.g.: http://renaud.waldura.com/doc/freebsd-pppoe/ >And >> what do you think? It worked!!! You should see me jumping in the room :) >> Finally ,if some one is interested how to configure ADSL (well all this >> steps worked for me) read e-mail further. >> A few things I would like to add. I don't want to play flaming game about >> Linux VS. FreeBSD all I want to say is: >> 1) I was not able to configure ADSL under any of Distribution of >Linux.(even >> after I installed it on FreeBSD 3.4) >> 2)I was not able to install it after FreeBSD 3.5 (it gives me NETGRAPH >> errors but it could be my fault, I have no Idea what is NETGRAPH ) These occur when you recompile the kernel with the following options: options NERGRAPH_PPPOE options NETGRAPH_SOCKET Only options NETGRAPH is necessary (except FBSD 3.4). The other two modules are loaded automatically in the later versions of PPPoE. Nevertheless the messages are only warning messages and cause no problems. I get them also and have PPPoE running successfully with FBSD 4.1 >> 3)The configuration of PPPoE that provided in FreeBSD >> Handbook(www.freebsd.org) did not work in my case. >> >> And once Again I would like to say Thanks to all FreeBSD mailing Lists. >> >> >> ######### STEP 1 ############# >> >> # Kernel Configuration: >> # You need to add those 3 lines in your kernel and compile it. >> # In my case It was a copy of LINT ' /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/ -kernel >> directory >> # Using vi editor I added those 3lines: >> >> options NETGRAPH >> options NERGRAPH_PPPOE >> options NETGRAPH_SOCKET >> >> # Afterwards you need to compile it >> # /usr/sbin/config -g 'Kernel Name' >> # cd ../../compile/MORPH >> # make depend >> # make >> # make install >> # shutdown -r now >> >> >> ######## STEP 2 ################ >> >> # Please Notice: >> # Before default: & pppoe: do not put space !!!! >> # Put ONE SPACE BEFORE ANY OTHER OPTION !!! >> >> >> >> # EDIT /etc/ppp/ppp.conf >> >> default: >> set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command >> nat enable yes >> nat same_ports yes >> nat same_sockets yes # yes, NAT for client access. Not necessary if you want to connect only the FBSD box. >> set redial 15 28800 >> set reconnect 15 28800 >> >> pppoe: >> set device PPPoE:pn0: # Device name in my case pn0 >> set mru 1492 >> set mtu 1492 >> set speed sync >> set cd 5 >> set dial >> set login >> set timeout 0 >> set authname login-name # Put Your Log In here >> set authkey password # Put Your Password in here >> set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255 0 0.0.0.0 >> add default HISADDR >> enable dns >> >> >> ###### STEP 3 (OPTION I) ################## >> >> # EDIT /etc/rc.conf >> >> network_interfaces="auto" >> ifconfig_pn0=" inet 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 -arp up" ifconfig_pn0="up" or "up mtu 1492" # is sufficient for the NIC connected to DSL # assuming you have a second NIC for the LAN what is recommended >> ppp_enable="YES" >> ppp_mode="background" >> ppp_profile="pppoe" or ppp_mode="ddial" gateway_enable="YES" # if you want access from other clients # you should also configure named in this case # Then set the FreeBSD box as gateway and nameserver in the # TCP/IP configuration of the clients and you have Internet access from every client # Attention: if you have problem with access from MS Win clients make sure # their MTU size is set to 1492 instead of 1500! >> >> ###### STEP 3 (OPTION II) ################## >> >> # Or, you can start connection manualy >> # Type PPP >> # You Should get something like this >> # ppp ON> >> # Type dial pppoe >> # You should get something like: >> # Ppp ON> >> # PPp ON> >> # PPP ON> >> # LAST LINE IN CAPITALS, IT MEANS YOU ARE CONNECTED TO ISP BY xDSL >> You may want to consider installing a firewall like IPFW as well. At least if you have a flat rate and are connected permanently. -- Manfred Usselmann usselmann.m@icg-online.de -------------------------------------------------- I C G Informationstechnologie Consulting GmbH Bahnstr. 7, D-65835 Liederbach / Ts. Tel. +49 69 333 623, Fax +49 69 306 845 -------------------------------------------------- http://www.icg-online.de -------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 7:13:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C1A37B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p26.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.26]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA104192; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:10:15 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12069; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:00:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:00:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Doug Young Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Story with OSS anyone ? In-Reply-To: <007b01c03e21$72524110$837e03cb@dougy> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yeah, but there is this other story: recording. Well, when we are at 4.4 R, maybe it is fixed in newpcm.. Anyway, I returned to newpcm and less Kraftwerk. H. On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Doug Young wrote: > I had a mess around with OSS stuff in Solaris but was far from impressed > ... got infinitely better results from open source alternatives like > timidity & > Netscape plug-ins > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heiko Recktenwald" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 9:35 AM > Subject: Story with OSS anyone ? > > > > Hi, surprise, surprise, there is a commercial sounddriver for FreeBSD, > > that is loaded after booting, the demo gives 3 hours, then you have to > > soundoff;soundon and more music or whatever. This driver claims to support > > midi but I couldnt find any player on the CDs. Anyway, some sound, but > > also some rythmic clicking, like Kraftwerk, new music.. Has anybody ever > > experienced this ? The URL is www.opensound.com. > > > > H. > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 7:39:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pfa0frpk001.panasonicfa.com (unknown [38.248.119.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299F737B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by exchange.panasonicfa.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:39:22 -0500 Message-ID: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CCD@exchange.panasonicfa.com> From: "Zaitsau, Andrei" To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Cc: "'DougB@gorean.org'" Subject: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:39:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Guys, I did NOT mean to slam Linux. I just wrote about my own experience with it, just my opinion, that's it. I am thankful to Linux, any experience even good and bad is still experience, it's a process of learning. At least I learned how to partition hard drive, how to mount filesystem. And learned very basic commands. May be dozens of my unsuccessful attempts to install Linux, helped me to install FreeBSD successfully. In my opinion recent distributions of Linux just making learning a little bit harder. I took a look at RedHat 7.0 distribution, and for my surprise I did not find anywhere inetd & inetd.conf. They replaced it by xinetd. If by modifying inetd.conf I can secure y computer somehow by disabling services, I did not find how to do it in Redhat 7.0, I am sure there is the way. But it would be much nicer to have inetd and inetd.conf (even man pages are missing). But as always FreeBSD has it. Doug, I would not aim Microsoft also. This is business. And nothing evil. Personally I do not like Microsoft products, they are unstable. But no one makes you to use them. Bill Gates did not come to people with automatic gun and tell them: "Hey Folk, buy Microsoft Products, or I will shoot you !". It's people who made Microsoft gigantic corporation. No one makes you to buy products, if you don't like it- do not buy it and do not use it. Easy as 1,2,3. Thanks. Andrei. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Barton [mailto:DougB@gorean.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 8:54 PM To: Victor R. Cardona Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My Experience With FreeBSD On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Victor R. Cardona wrote: > It is good to here stories like this. I am a FreeBSD newbie, and so far > am very impressed. I cannot slam Linux though. It got me started with > UNIX. That's an excellent attitude to have. Linux is not our enemy. There are some (ok, IMO a lot) of things that we do better then they do, and there are some things they do better than we do. If you need an enemy, aim at microsoft. And not because they are closed source, because the company itself is evil, and uses its market position to unfairly supress competition and creativity. Doug -- "The dead cannot be seduced." - Kai, "Lexx" Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 8:28:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ux10.cso.uiuc.edu (ux10.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0272B37B4D7 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (eheine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ux10.cso.uiuc.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9PFSdV22870 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:28:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:28:39 -0500 (CDT) From: erich alfred heine X-Sender: eheine@ux10.cso.uiuc.edu To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Installing through @home Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everyone, Im trying to install freebsd (yay) through anonymous FTP. the problem is i can seem to get my network to install properly. Im a subscriber to the AT&T@Home (cablemodem) service. I have read the cablemodem howto, as well as www.freebsddiary.org/athome.html and have not been able to figure out how to install he dhclient that runs in the Install program. When i install I am using the menue choices option. Is there an option to go from there to a CLI. If there is: #1 how/where do i find it #2 can i change the dhclient.conf to have: send hostname "" #3 If not, how can i do a network install (purchasing the CD is unfortunately not an option for us broke college kids, and i dont have a CD-r) Thanks Erich Heine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 8:33:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from v-dmnc.net (sv.v-dmnc.net [210.155.123.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3526A37B65E for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6555 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 00:39:53 +0900 Received: from p0444-ip01osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp (HELO www.v-dmnc.net) (211.0.253.190) by sv.v-dmnc.net with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 00:39:53 +0900 From: =?iso-2022-jp?B?RE5UGyRCNElNfTxUGyhC?= To: =?iso-2022-jp?B?ZnJlZWJzZC1uZXdiaWVzQEZyZWVCU0QuT1JH?= Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCI0QlXiUsOVhGSSROJCo0aiQkISobKEI=?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset= "ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20001025153321.3526A37B65E@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org $B$I$&$+$46(NO$r4j$$$7$^$9!#(B $BEvJ}$O@lLg#D%^%,%8%s$rH/9T$7$F$$$k$NL5$$J}$O:#8e0l@Z$NG[?.5Z$S%"%I%l%9$N1J5W:o(B $B=|(B $B:n6H$rI,$:CW$7$^$9!#$I$&$+$4N;>54j$$$^$9$3$H$r$*4j$$CW$7$^$9!#(B $B@?$K>!?'!9!d(B $B$H$J$j$^$9!#(B $B$^$?!"7n$K0lEY$4EPO?$5$l$J$$J}$O0J8eG[?.$r$7$J$$$h$&1J5W:o=|$r$$$?$7$^$9$N$G!"$*(B $BA0$G$9!":#$,%A%c%s%9(B $B$G$9!*(B $B%S%8%M%9$r$d$C$F$$$k0J>eBeM}E9$K$J$i$J$/$F$O$^$:!"<}F~$O(B $B%7%e%_%l!<%7%g%sDL$j$K$O$J$j$^$;$s!#(B $B;d$?$A$N%0%k!<%W$G$O!"$I$3$h$j$bAa$/BeM}E9$K$J$l$k%N%&%O%&$r(B $B;}$C$F$$$^$9!#(B $B%0%k!<%W$N%5%]!<%HBN@)$,<+K}$G$9!*(B http://www.jin.ne.jp/joyful21/bp/bp065.htm $BC4Ev!!!!;3ED$7$E$+(B $B%a!<%k!!(Bteddy-2@viola.ocn.ne.jp ===================================================================== === <$B%a!<%k$G9-9p$r $BEPO?@bL@$O!!(Bhttp://www.e-lent.com/~fuu/oll_1.htm$B!!(B $B!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a!a(B $B!a!a(B $B:G8eKx$*FI$_$$$?$@$-@?$KM-Fq$&$4$6$$$^$7$?!#(B ( $B4IM} To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: PGI Fortran Compiler seems to be courios under FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sirs. A couple of weeks ago I started testing Fortran 90 compilers for FreeBSD und Linux emulation. I regret that the support of FreeBSD for Fortran 90 compilers is that bad! Well, I tested Fujitsu/Siemens Lahey, NAGWare and Portland Group. Fujitsu Lahey Fortran 95 Express V5.5 for Linux works fine under FreeBSD 4.1.1-Stable, no problems at all but the debugger has its problems. NAGWare offers a 'native' FreeBSD compiler, but they want a customer to pay about 20 Pounds and that is much compared to free downloads for Linux, Solaris and other OS. I got the Linux version and I'm not very satisfied about the code it generates and I doubt that the FreeBSD native F95 compiler will be much better. But this compiler works also under Linux Emulation. Well, many devolopers, many scientists and especially our scientists want Portland Group compiler. So I concentrated my doings on this compiler for a while, but without success. I can install the newest stuff from Portland Group, generate a trial evaluation key and I can compile any kind of source code, but all produced images are crashing immediately after calling them. Then I installed the Portland Compiler testsuite on Linux, compiled the same stuff on a Linux box and then transferred the linked image onto our FreeBSD box and started it there - with great success! It worked fine, did all caculations ... We are very interested in PGI compilers and therefor I'm looking for a way to run this great compiler suite on our FreeBSD infrastructure. It seems courios to me that the images of a Linux-box compiled program will work on both FreeBSD and Linux and the image produced under Linux Emulation on a FreeBSD box is crashing (while compilation works, but no one knows what's going on ..). Does anyone has any idea or is someone out there who has already installed the PGI compilers (especially PGF90) on FreeBSD? Thanks in advance, O. Hartmann - MfG O. Hartmann ------------------------------------------------------------------- ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de Klimadatenserver-Abteilung des IPA IT Netz- und Systembetreuung Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz Becherweg 21 D-55099 Mainz BRD/Germany Tel: +496131/3924662 FAX: +496131/3923532 - MfG O. Hartmann ------------------------------------------------------------------- ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de Klimadatenserver-Abteilung des IPA IT Netz- und Systembetreuung Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz Becherweg 21 D-55099 Mainz BRD/Germany Tel: +496131/3924662 FAX: +496131/3923532 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 13:19: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.rdc1.il.home.com (mail1.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5C737B4C5 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marx.elvisinthemorning.net ([24.17.229.11]) by mail1.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001025201901.WWBG20067.mail1.rdc1.il.home.com@marx.elvisinthemorning.net>; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:19:01 -0700 Received: (from vcardona@localhost) by marx.elvisinthemorning.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id e9PKJSf29600; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:19:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from vcardona) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:19:28 -0500 From: "Victor R. Cardona" To: "Zaitsau, Andrei" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD Message-ID: <20001025151928.A29563@home.com> References: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CCD@exchange.panasonicfa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CCD@exchange.panasonicfa.com>; from AZaitsau@panasonicfa.com on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 09:39:20AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 09:39:20AM -0500, Zaitsau, Andrei wrote: > > > Guys, I did NOT mean to slam Linux. I just wrote about my own experience > with it, just my opinion, that's it. I am thankful to Linux, any experience > even good and bad is still experience, it's a process of learning. At least > I learned how to partition hard drive, how to mount filesystem. And learned > very basic commands. I did not mean to say that you were slamming Linux when I made my comment. > May be dozens of my unsuccessful attempts to install Linux, helped me to > install FreeBSD successfully. In my opinion recent distributions of Linux > just making learning a little bit harder. I took a look at RedHat 7.0 > distribution, and for my surprise I did not find anywhere inetd & > inetd.conf. They replaced it by xinetd. If by modifying inetd.conf I can > secure y computer somehow by disabling services, I did not find how to do > it in Redhat 7.0, I am sure there is the way. But it would be much nicer to > have inetd and inetd.conf (even man pages are missing). But as always > FreeBSD has it. Red Hat does suck. I started with Red Hat and quickly switched to SuSE. I think that Red Hat tries to hard to be different, and ends up shooting itself in the foot. > Doug, I would not aim Microsoft also. This is business. And nothing evil. > Personally I do not like Microsoft products, they are unstable. But no one > makes you to use them. Bill Gates did not come to people with automatic gun > and tell them: "Hey Folk, buy Microsoft Products, or I will shoot you !". > It's people who made Microsoft gigantic corporation. No one makes you to buy > products, if you don't like it- do not buy it and do not use it. Easy as > 1,2,3. Try buying a new computer without Windows. Granted it is a lot easier now then it once was, but still most off the shelf PCs come with Microsoft software. > Thanks. > Andrei. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 13:23:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.rdc1.il.home.com (mail1.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2B837B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marx.elvisinthemorning.net ([24.17.229.11]) by mail1.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001025202338.WYDE20067.mail1.rdc1.il.home.com@marx.elvisinthemorning.net>; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:23:38 -0700 Received: (from vcardona@localhost) by marx.elvisinthemorning.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id e9PKO5X29610; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:24:05 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from vcardona) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:24:05 -0500 From: "Victor R. Cardona" To: erich alfred heine Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing through @home Message-ID: <20001025152405.B29563@home.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from eheine@students.uiuc.edu on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 10:28:39AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 10:28:39AM -0500, erich alfred heine wrote: > Im trying to install freebsd (yay) through anonymous FTP. the problem is > i can seem to get my network to install properly. Im a subscriber to the > AT&T@Home (cablemodem) service. I have read the cablemodem howto, as well > as www.freebsddiary.org/athome.html and have not been able to figure out > how to install he dhclient that runs in the Install program. When i > install I am using the menue choices option. Is there an option to go from > there to a CLI. If there is: > #1 how/where do i find it > #2 can i change the dhclient.conf to have: > send hostname "" > #3 If not, how can i do a network install (purchasing the CD is > unfortunately not an option for us broke college kids, and i dont have a > CD-r) Just use the static IP address that they gave you. You can always set up DHCP later. Victor R. Cardona To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 13:38:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B908237B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA1A93; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:41:47 -0700 Message-ID: <39F7442A.78B679C5@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:35:54 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Victor R. Cardona" Cc: "Zaitsau, Andrei" , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD References: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CCD@exchange.panasonicfa.com> <20001025151928.A29563@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Victor R. Cardona" wrote: > > Doug, I would not aim Microsoft also. This is business. And nothing evil. > > Personally I do not like Microsoft products, they are unstable. But no one > > makes you to use them. Bill Gates did not come to people with automatic gun > > and tell them: "Hey Folk, buy Microsoft Products, or I will shoot you !". > > It's people who made Microsoft gigantic corporation. No one makes you to buy > > products, if you don't like it- do not buy it and do not use it. Easy as > > 1,2,3. > > Try buying a new computer without Windows. Granted it is a lot easier > now then it once was, but still most off the shelf PCs come with > Microsoft software. Far be it for me to defend Microsoft, but I seriously doubt that they actually held a gun to the head to Dell, Packard Bell, IBM, Acer, et al, forcing them to ship their products with Windows. It does no good calling Microsoft evil when it's the computer manufacturer that sells the "take it or leave it" systems. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 13:47:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cstone.net (mail.cstone.net [209.145.64.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D3137B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cstone.net (aylee.mrgoodbucks.com [209.145.93.143]) by mail.cstone.net (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9PKkPG54369 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39F7473B.A2566C2C@cstone.net> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:48:59 -0400 From: Sean Michael Whipkey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD References: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CCD@exchange.panasonicfa.com> <20001025151928.A29563@home.com> <39F7442A.78B679C5@acuson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Johnson wrote: > Far be it for me to defend Microsoft, but I seriously doubt that they > actually held a gun to the head to Dell, Packard Bell, IBM, Acer, et al, > forcing them to ship their products with Windows. It does no good Actually, for a while they did the economic equivalent. If you built machines, and wanted to have Windows on them, Microsoft would cut you a bulk discount on Windows - if, and only if, you installed Windows on EVERY single machine. Don't install it on one and you'd have to pay full price for every copy. IIRC, that's part of the reason why MS has been hit lately by the government. SeanMike -- SeanMike Whipkey - "The Man. The goatee. The reputation." - Kimmet "What the hell is wrong with that boy?!?" - Adrienne Uphoff "What the French lack in reason they make up for in sheer gall." - Onion "Did anyone else read this and think of SeanMike?" - Leybourne To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 13:51:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.scana.com (falcon.scana.com [161.156.101.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1D037B4C5 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by falcon.scana.com; id QAA23341; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailexnet.scana.com(161.156.248.69) by falcon.scana.com via smap (V5.5) id xma023275; Wed, 25 Oct 00 16:51:07 -0400 Received: by mailexnet.scana.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:51:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Cc: "'Zaitsau, Andrei'" , "'David Johnson'" , "'Victor R. Cardona'" Subject: RE: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:51:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Far be it for me to defend Microsoft, but I seriously doubt that they > actually held a gun to the head to Dell, Packard Bell, IBM, > Acer, et al, > forcing them to ship their products with Windows. It does no good > calling Microsoft evil when it's the computer manufacturer that sells > the "take it or leave it" systems. They held the proverbial gun to their head. Unless the hardware manufacturer sold windows with *every* PC they would either be prevented from selling windows at all, or would have to pay unreasonable prices. This is one of the items the justice department originally went after them for in 1995. ...Michael... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 13:51:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pfa0frpk001.panasonicfa.com (unknown [38.248.119.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DC637B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by exchange.panasonicfa.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:51:23 -0500 Message-ID: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CD8@exchange.panasonicfa.com> From: "Zaitsau, Andrei" To: 'David Johnson' Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:51:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Excellent point David. It's all about marketing. If computer manufacturer would hear from thousands of people with a request to Ship Computers with FreeBSD or other UNIX like systems, they would do so. Also we would see much more books and products related to UNIX. It's not "Evil" Microsoft, I would say it's PEOPLE who wants to use it. They just don't have will to learn about UNIX and using Microsoft Products is much more easier for them. IT's people , users , who make market field for MICROSOFT... Andrei. -----Original Message----- From: David Johnson [mailto:djohnson@acuson.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 3:36 PM To: Victor R. Cardona Cc: Zaitsau, Andrei; freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD "Victor R. Cardona" wrote: > > Doug, I would not aim Microsoft also. This is business. And nothing evil. > > Personally I do not like Microsoft products, they are unstable. But no one > > makes you to use them. Bill Gates did not come to people with automatic gun > > and tell them: "Hey Folk, buy Microsoft Products, or I will shoot you !". > > It's people who made Microsoft gigantic corporation. No one makes you to buy > > products, if you don't like it- do not buy it and do not use it. Easy as > > 1,2,3. > > Try buying a new computer without Windows. Granted it is a lot easier > now then it once was, but still most off the shelf PCs come with > Microsoft software. Far be it for me to defend Microsoft, but I seriously doubt that they actually held a gun to the head to Dell, Packard Bell, IBM, Acer, et al, forcing them to ship their products with Windows. It does no good calling Microsoft evil when it's the computer manufacturer that sells the "take it or leave it" systems. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 13:56:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com (mailout02.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D43A37B4C5 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fmrl02.sul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 13oXbO-0001sj-01; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:56:50 +0200 Received: from icg-pc202.hofheim.icg-online.de (06192901197-0001@[217.1.124.79]) by fmrl02.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 13oXbK-1CvYEyC; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:56:46 +0200 Received: from icg-pc204.hofheim.icg-online.de (icg-pc204.hofheim.icg-online.de [10.1.2.204]) by icg-pc202.hofheim.icg-online.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA43591; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:03:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Usselmann.M@icg-online.de) Message-Id: <200010252103.XAA43591@icg-pc202.hofheim.icg-online.de> From: "Manfred Usselmann" To: "Zaitsau, Andrei" Cc: "freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org" Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:59:45 +0100 (MEZ) Reply-To: "Manfred Usselmann" X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD X-Sender: 06192901197-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Andrei, On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:39:20 -0500, Zaitsau, Andrei wrote: > > >Guys, I did NOT mean to slam Linux. I just wrote about my own experience >with it, just my opinion, that's it. I am thankful to Linux, any experience >even good and bad is still experience, it's a process of learning. At least >I learned how to partition hard drive, how to mount filesystem. And learned >very basic commands. >May be dozens of my unsuccessful attempts to install Linux, helped me to >install FreeBSD successfully. In my opinion recent distributions of Linux >just making learning a little bit harder. I took a look at RedHat 7.0 >distribution, and for my surprise I did not find anywhere inetd & >inetd.conf. They replaced it by xinetd. If by modifying inetd.conf I can >secure y computer somehow by disabling services, I did not find how to do >it in Redhat 7.0, I am sure there is the way. But it would be much nicer to >have inetd and inetd.conf (even man pages are missing). But as always >FreeBSD has it. > Doug, I would not aim Microsoft also. This is business. And nothing evil. >Personally I do not like Microsoft products, they are unstable. But no one >makes you to use them. Bill Gates did not come to people with automatic gun >and tell them: "Hey Folk, buy Microsoft Products, or I will shoot you !". >It's people who made Microsoft gigantic corporation. No one makes you to buy >products, if you don't like it- do not buy it and do not use it. Easy as >1,2,3. It is not that easy. Yes, they do force people to buy their products. Simple example: Try to buy a brand PC to install FreeBSD on it without paying for a Microsoft licence at the same time. Nearly impossible since all major hardware companies have been blackmailed by MS for years. They had to sign contracts which obliged them to buy a Windows licence for every PC they sell wether the customer wants it are not. They were threatened that otherwise they would be charged so much for Windows licenses that the company would soon be out of business. They use unfair business practices in other areas as well and do supress competition and creativity, Doug is right. They have been charged for this and the court decided against them. So it is at least official now. I would not go so far and say the Microsoft is evil, but a monopoly is very dangerous, because you no longer have the choice, because they can set the standards. Their proprietary standards of course. You have to take what they produce, good or bad. Innovation is no longer required. Manfred >Thanks. >Andrei. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Doug Barton [mailto:DougB@gorean.org] >Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 8:54 PM >To: Victor R. Cardona >Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: My Experience With FreeBSD > > >On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Victor R. Cardona wrote: > >> It is good to here stories like this. I am a FreeBSD newbie, and so far >> am very impressed. I cannot slam Linux though. It got me started with >> UNIX. > > That's an excellent attitude to have. Linux is not our >enemy. There are some (ok, IMO a lot) of things that we do better then >they do, and there are some things they do better than we do. If you need >an enemy, aim at microsoft. And not because they are closed source, >because the company itself is evil, and uses its market position to >unfairly supress competition and creativity. > >Doug >-- > "The dead cannot be seduced." > - Kai, "Lexx" > > Do YOU Yahoo!? > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > -- Manfred Usselmann usselmann.m@icg-online.de -------------------------------------------------- I C G Informationstechnologie Consulting GmbH Bahnstr. 7, D-65835 Liederbach / Ts. Tel. +49 69 333 623, Fax +49 69 306 845 -------------------------------------------------- http://www.icg-online.de -------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 13:59:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.rdc1.il.home.com (mail1.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05C837B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marx.elvisinthemorning.net ([24.17.229.11]) by mail1.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001025205910.XRIR20067.mail1.rdc1.il.home.com@marx.elvisinthemorning.net>; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:59:10 -0700 Received: (from vcardona@localhost) by marx.elvisinthemorning.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id e9PKxbS29794; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:59:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from vcardona) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:59:37 -0500 From: "Victor R. Cardona" To: David Johnson Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD Message-ID: <20001025155937.A29757@home.com> References: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CCD@exchange.panasonicfa.com> <20001025151928.A29563@home.com> <39F7442A.78B679C5@acuson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <39F7442A.78B679C5@acuson.com>; from djohnson@acuson.com on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 01:35:54PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 01:35:54PM -0700, David Johnson wrote: > "Victor R. Cardona" wrote: > > > > Doug, I would not aim Microsoft also. This is business. And nothing evil. > > > Personally I do not like Microsoft products, they are unstable. But no one > > > makes you to use them. Bill Gates did not come to people with automatic gun > > > and tell them: "Hey Folk, buy Microsoft Products, or I will shoot you !". > > > It's people who made Microsoft gigantic corporation. No one makes you to buy > > > products, if you don't like it- do not buy it and do not use it. Easy as > > > 1,2,3. > > > > Try buying a new computer without Windows. Granted it is a lot easier > > now then it once was, but still most off the shelf PCs come with > > Microsoft software. > > Far be it for me to defend Microsoft, but I seriously doubt that they > actually held a gun to the head to Dell, Packard Bell, IBM, Acer, et al, > forcing them to ship their products with Windows. It does no good > calling Microsoft evil when it's the computer manufacturer that sells > the "take it or leave it" systems. I am sure no guns were involved, but you have to admit that it is a very unusual contract. I don't see Dell et al asking for such a thing either. However, I could be wrong. Victor Cardona To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 14: 0:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 643B537B4C5; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from synge.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 25 Oct 2000 22:00:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:59:59 +0100 From: David Malone To: "O. Hartmann" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PGI Fortran Compiler seems to be courios under FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE Message-ID: <20001025215959.A81803@synge.maths.tcd.ie> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 07:45:04PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 07:45:04PM +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: > We are very interested in PGI compilers and therefor I'm looking for a way to > run this great compiler suite on our FreeBSD infrastructure. It seems courios > to me that the images of a Linux-box compiled program will work on both FreeBS > and Linux and the image produced under Linux Emulation on a FreeBSD box is > crashing (while compilation works, but no one knows what's going on ..). Have you tried branding the binaries after compiling them on FreeBSD? brandelf -t Linux executable It might be that whatever linker is getting used on FreeBSD isn't doing the right branding. David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 14: 6:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pfa0frpk001.panasonicfa.com (unknown [38.248.119.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE35C37B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by exchange.panasonicfa.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:05:56 -0500 Message-ID: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CDB@exchange.panasonicfa.com> From: "Zaitsau, Andrei" To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: FW: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:05:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----Original Message----- From: Zaitsau, Andrei Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 4:02 PM To: 'Manfred Usselmann' Subject: RE: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD Then why Hardware and Computer manufacturers say: " Microsft,You can go to hell with your licenses. We will use FreeBSD instead, with no Licenses and Fee." I bet you if they do that the won't sell as much computers and hardware as they used to sell with Microsoft. Correct me if I am wrong. Thanks. Andrei. -----Original Message----- From: Manfred Usselmann [mailto:Usselmann.M@icg-online.de] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 5:00 PM To: Zaitsau, Andrei Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD Hi Andrei, On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:39:20 -0500, Zaitsau, Andrei wrote: > > >Guys, I did NOT mean to slam Linux. I just wrote about my own experience >with it, just my opinion, that's it. I am thankful to Linux, any experience >even good and bad is still experience, it's a process of learning. At least >I learned how to partition hard drive, how to mount filesystem. And learned >very basic commands. >May be dozens of my unsuccessful attempts to install Linux, helped me to >install FreeBSD successfully. In my opinion recent distributions of Linux >just making learning a little bit harder. I took a look at RedHat 7.0 >distribution, and for my surprise I did not find anywhere inetd & >inetd.conf. They replaced it by xinetd. If by modifying inetd.conf I can >secure y computer somehow by disabling services, I did not find how to do >it in Redhat 7.0, I am sure there is the way. But it would be much nicer to >have inetd and inetd.conf (even man pages are missing). But as always >FreeBSD has it. > Doug, I would not aim Microsoft also. This is business. And nothing evil. >Personally I do not like Microsoft products, they are unstable. But no one >makes you to use them. Bill Gates did not come to people with automatic gun >and tell them: "Hey Folk, buy Microsoft Products, or I will shoot you !". >It's people who made Microsoft gigantic corporation. No one makes you to buy >products, if you don't like it- do not buy it and do not use it. Easy as >1,2,3. It is not that easy. Yes, they do force people to buy their products. Simple example: Try to buy a brand PC to install FreeBSD on it without paying for a Microsoft licence at the same time. Nearly impossible since all major hardware companies have been blackmailed by MS for years. They had to sign contracts which obliged them to buy a Windows licence for every PC they sell wether the customer wants it are not. They were threatened that otherwise they would be charged so much for Windows licenses that the company would soon be out of business. They use unfair business practices in other areas as well and do supress competition and creativity, Doug is right. They have been charged for this and the court decided against them. So it is at least official now. I would not go so far and say the Microsoft is evil, but a monopoly is very dangerous, because you no longer have the choice, because they can set the standards. Their proprietary standards of course. You have to take what they produce, good or bad. Innovation is no longer required. Manfred >Thanks. >Andrei. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Doug Barton [mailto:DougB@gorean.org] >Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 8:54 PM >To: Victor R. Cardona >Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: My Experience With FreeBSD > > >On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Victor R. Cardona wrote: > >> It is good to here stories like this. I am a FreeBSD newbie, and so far >> am very impressed. I cannot slam Linux though. It got me started with >> UNIX. > > That's an excellent attitude to have. Linux is not our >enemy. There are some (ok, IMO a lot) of things that we do better then >they do, and there are some things they do better than we do. If you need >an enemy, aim at microsoft. And not because they are closed source, >because the company itself is evil, and uses its market position to >unfairly supress competition and creativity. > >Doug >-- > "The dead cannot be seduced." > - Kai, "Lexx" > > Do YOU Yahoo!? > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > -- Manfred Usselmann usselmann.m@icg-online.de -------------------------------------------------- I C G Informationstechnologie Consulting GmbH Bahnstr. 7, D-65835 Liederbach / Ts. Tel. +49 69 333 623, Fax +49 69 306 845 -------------------------------------------------- http://www.icg-online.de -------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 14:23:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A2D37B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA3410; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:26:48 -0700 Message-ID: <39F74EB7.393A0C8A@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:20:55 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "SILVER, MICHAEL A" wrote: > > > Far be it for me to defend Microsoft, but I seriously doubt that they > > actually held a gun to the head to Dell, Packard Bell, IBM, > > Acer, et al, > > forcing them to ship their products with Windows. It does no good > > calling Microsoft evil when it's the computer manufacturer that sells > > the "take it or leave it" systems. > > They held the proverbial gun to their head. Unless the hardware > manufacturer sold windows with *every* PC they would either be prevented > from selling windows at all, or would have to pay unreasonable prices. This > is one of the items the justice department originally went after them for in > 1995. > > ...Michael... I see I've started a war... I'm sorely tempted to take this off the -newbies list, but since I have an innate aversion to disinformation, and also because newbies need to know that we are not about bashing other operating systems, I'll reply. A lower price is not a gun. It was the manufactureres who decided that it was cheaper to buy Windows at a lower price for all machines, than to but it at a higher price for 95% of their machines. Now that there is a significant number of folks who desire other operating systems, the margins are different and you see manufacturers like Dell starting to offer other systems. Deals like this a common in business, large or small. Back when I was a salesman for a tiny building contractor, I would give my customers a discount if I was to be their exclusive vendor. I would even give them a 25% off coupon for their next purchase, so that they wouldn't even think about looking elsewhere. But regardless of the muscles on the 800 pound gorilla, since the first days of personal computers I have been able to purchase computers without Microsoft software. And I wasn't even living in urban areas. I distinctly recall PC-DOS, DR-DOS, and Geoworks preinstalled on computers. I distinctly recall seeing OS/2 offered as an option. Currently you can buy Linux preinstalled on boxes in consumer oriented stores. And of course, computers without *any* OS installed have always been there. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 14:34:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pfa0frpk001.panasonicfa.com (unknown [38.248.119.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67A637B4C5 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by exchange.panasonicfa.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:33:58 -0500 Message-ID: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CDC@exchange.panasonicfa.com> From: "Zaitsau, Andrei" To: 'David Johnson' Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:33:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Guys, I am also very sorry about this WAR. But you know what? We can stop it right now! It's not related to -newbies mailing list at all. We have our own community - FreeBSD ! Let's forget about Microsoft and talk about something usefull, about FreeBSD. Andrei. -----Original Message----- From: David Johnson [mailto:djohnson@acuson.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 4:21 PM To: SILVER, MICHAEL A Cc: 'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org' Subject: Re: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD "SILVER, MICHAEL A" wrote: > > > Far be it for me to defend Microsoft, but I seriously doubt that they > > actually held a gun to the head to Dell, Packard Bell, IBM, > > Acer, et al, > > forcing them to ship their products with Windows. It does no good > > calling Microsoft evil when it's the computer manufacturer that sells > > the "take it or leave it" systems. > > They held the proverbial gun to their head. Unless the hardware > manufacturer sold windows with *every* PC they would either be prevented > from selling windows at all, or would have to pay unreasonable prices. This > is one of the items the justice department originally went after them for in > 1995. > > ...Michael... I see I've started a war... I'm sorely tempted to take this off the -newbies list, but since I have an innate aversion to disinformation, and also because newbies need to know that we are not about bashing other operating systems, I'll reply. A lower price is not a gun. It was the manufactureres who decided that it was cheaper to buy Windows at a lower price for all machines, than to but it at a higher price for 95% of their machines. Now that there is a significant number of folks who desire other operating systems, the margins are different and you see manufacturers like Dell starting to offer other systems. Deals like this a common in business, large or small. Back when I was a salesman for a tiny building contractor, I would give my customers a discount if I was to be their exclusive vendor. I would even give them a 25% off coupon for their next purchase, so that they wouldn't even think about looking elsewhere. But regardless of the muscles on the 800 pound gorilla, since the first days of personal computers I have been able to purchase computers without Microsoft software. And I wasn't even living in urban areas. I distinctly recall PC-DOS, DR-DOS, and Geoworks preinstalled on computers. I distinctly recall seeing OS/2 offered as an option. Currently you can buy Linux preinstalled on boxes in consumer oriented stores. And of course, computers without *any* OS installed have always been there. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 14:37: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.scana.com (falcon.scana.com [161.156.101.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149AD37B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by falcon.scana.com; id RAA27606; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailexnet.scana.com(161.156.248.69) by falcon.scana.com via smap (V5.5) id xma027583; Wed, 25 Oct 00 17:36:20 -0400 Received: by mailexnet.scana.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:36:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Cc: "'David Johnson'" Subject: RE: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:36:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > A lower price is not a gun. It was the manufactureres who decided that > it was cheaper to buy Windows at a lower price for all > machines, than to > but it at a higher price for 95% of their machines. Now that > there is a > significant number of folks who desire other operating systems, the > margins are different and you see manufacturers like Dell starting to > offer other systems. This is the debate, at what point it MS abusing it's monopoly. The reason Dell an other are offering other OS's is because the justice dept prevent MS from signing these types of contracts. > Deals like this a common in business, large or small. Back > when I was a > salesman for a tiny building contractor, I would give my customers a > discount if I was to be their exclusive vendor. I would even > give them a > 25% off coupon for their next purchase, so that they wouldn't > even think > about looking elsewhere. This is true, and I don't know at what point this is an abuse of power (if at any point). MS also argued this prevented piracy, which was true when MS windows installed on 99.9% of the intel systems out there. > But regardless of the muscles on the 800 pound gorilla, since > the first > days of personal computers I have been able to purchase computers > without Microsoft software. And I wasn't even living in urban areas. I > distinctly recall PC-DOS, DR-DOS, and Geoworks preinstalled on > computers. I distinctly recall seeing OS/2 offered as an option. > Currently you can buy Linux preinstalled on boxes in consumer oriented > stores. And of course, computers without *any* OS installed > have always > been there. I think these contracts were with windows, but I am ignorant in these area. You can buy Linux pre-installed, 1) due to the justice dept or 2) due to smaller vendors who don't need to sell windows. In 1995 I was putting together a computer, and I remember restrictions purchasing equipment. If I remember correct, having them put it together or if they sold a hard drive and MB they would automatically sell you the OS (windows 3.1 at the time). It was a but inconvenient, but at the time mostly because I had to pay that vendors prices. You no longer see this. ...Michael... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 15:40:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gus33.homeip.net (hybrid-024-221-140-147.az.sprintbbd.net [24.221.140.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B664E37B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kdavey@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gus33.homeip.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id PAA13580; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:22:48 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:22:48 -0700 (MST) From: Keith Davey To: David Johnson Cc: "Victor R. Cardona" , "Zaitsau, Andrei" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <39F7442A.78B679C5@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, David Johnson wrote: > "Victor R. Cardona" wrote: > > > > Doug, I would not aim Microsoft also. This is business. And nothing evil. > > > Personally I do not like Microsoft products, they are unstable. But no one > > > makes you to use them. Bill Gates did not come to people with automatic gun > > > and tell them: "Hey Folk, buy Microsoft Products, or I will shoot you !". > > > It's people who made Microsoft gigantic corporation. No one makes you to buy > > > products, if you don't like it- do not buy it and do not use it. Easy as > > > 1,2,3. > > > > Try buying a new computer without Windows. Granted it is a lot easier > > now then it once was, but still most off the shelf PCs come with > > Microsoft software. > > Far be it for me to defend Microsoft, but I seriously doubt that they > actually held a gun to the head to Dell, Packard Bell, IBM, Acer, et al, > forcing them to ship their products with Windows. It does no good > calling Microsoft evil when it's the computer manufacturer that sells > the "take it or leave it" systems. > > David > That is not actualy acurate. No I doubt a gun, but a price tag is almost as bad. It was (still is) common practice for MS to offer a busness a LARGE discount on the OEM licence for Windows to OEMs that agreed to: 1. Ship Windows preinstalled 2. Do not ship any systems with any other OS (originaly this was to squash OS/2) In an industry where a couple hundred dollers makes all the diffents in making a sale, this method works quite well. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 15:44:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from stud.alakhawayn.ma (stud.alakhawayn.ma [193.194.63.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C79937B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (961BE653994@localhost) by stud.alakhawayn.ma (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA21902; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:37:46 GMT Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:37:45 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAOUI EL HASSANI ALI <961BE653994@stud.alakhawayn.ma> To: Keith Davey Cc: David Johnson , "Victor R. Cardona" , "Zaitsau, Andrei" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I agree with you Keith. On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Keith Davey wrote: > > > On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, David Johnson wrote: > > > "Victor R. Cardona" wrote: > > > > > > Doug, I would not aim Microsoft also. This is business. And nothing evil. > > > > Personally I do not like Microsoft products, they are unstable. But no one > > > > makes you to use them. Bill Gates did not come to people with automatic gun > > > > and tell them: "Hey Folk, buy Microsoft Products, or I will shoot you !". > > > > It's people who made Microsoft gigantic corporation. No one makes you to buy > > > > products, if you don't like it- do not buy it and do not use it. Easy as > > > > 1,2,3. > > > > > > Try buying a new computer without Windows. Granted it is a lot easier > > > now then it once was, but still most off the shelf PCs come with > > > Microsoft software. > > > > Far be it for me to defend Microsoft, but I seriously doubt that they > > actually held a gun to the head to Dell, Packard Bell, IBM, Acer, et al, > > forcing them to ship their products with Windows. It does no good > > calling Microsoft evil when it's the computer manufacturer that sells > > the "take it or leave it" systems. > > > > David > > > > That is not actualy acurate. No I doubt a gun, but a price tag is almost > as bad. It was (still is) common practice for MS to offer a busness a > LARGE discount on the OEM licence for Windows to OEMs that agreed to: > > 1. Ship Windows preinstalled > 2. Do not ship any systems with any other OS (originaly this was to > squash OS/2) > > In an industry where a couple hundred dollers makes all the diffents in > making a sale, this method works quite well. > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 15:52:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pfa0frpk001.panasonicfa.com (unknown [38.248.119.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B80237B4CF for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by exchange.panasonicfa.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:52:12 -0500 Message-ID: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CE2@exchange.panasonicfa.com> From: "Zaitsau, Andrei" To: 'ALAOUI EL HASSANI ALI' <961BE653994@stud.alakhawayn.ma> Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" , "'djohnson@acuson.com'" , "'vcardona@home.com'" , "'kdavey@gus33.homeip.net'" Subject: RE: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:52:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Okay.. I hate doing this again. But what makes the Computer manufacturers not to ship computers with preinstalled FreeBSD on it, it has no licenses, it's free, it's very robust and reliable OS. They don't have to waste money on commercial OS then... One more time, people won't buy those computers then, because FreeBSD will be too complicated to them. Thanks. Andrei. -----Original Message----- From: ALAOUI EL HASSANI ALI [mailto:961BE653994@stud.alakhawayn.ma] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 5:38 PM To: Keith Davey Cc: David Johnson; Victor R. Cardona; Zaitsau, Andrei; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD I agree with you Keith. On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Keith Davey wrote: > > > On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, David Johnson wrote: > > > "Victor R. Cardona" wrote: > > > > > > Doug, I would not aim Microsoft also. This is business. And nothing evil. > > > > Personally I do not like Microsoft products, they are unstable. But no one > > > > makes you to use them. Bill Gates did not come to people with automatic gun > > > > and tell them: "Hey Folk, buy Microsoft Products, or I will shoot you !". > > > > It's people who made Microsoft gigantic corporation. No one makes you to buy > > > > products, if you don't like it- do not buy it and do not use it. Easy as > > > > 1,2,3. > > > > > > Try buying a new computer without Windows. Granted it is a lot easier > > > now then it once was, but still most off the shelf PCs come with > > > Microsoft software. > > > > Far be it for me to defend Microsoft, but I seriously doubt that they > > actually held a gun to the head to Dell, Packard Bell, IBM, Acer, et al, > > forcing them to ship their products with Windows. It does no good > > calling Microsoft evil when it's the computer manufacturer that sells > > the "take it or leave it" systems. > > > > David > > > > That is not actualy acurate. No I doubt a gun, but a price tag is almost > as bad. It was (still is) common practice for MS to offer a busness a > LARGE discount on the OEM licence for Windows to OEMs that agreed to: > > 1. Ship Windows preinstalled > 2. Do not ship any systems with any other OS (originaly this was to > squash OS/2) > > In an industry where a couple hundred dollers makes all the diffents in > making a sale, this method works quite well. > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 16:22: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n37.san.rr.com (dt051n37.san.rr.com [204.210.32.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EBC37B4C5 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:22:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slave (Studded@slave [10.0.0.1]) by dt051n37.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07974; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:22:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:22:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton X-Sender: doug@dt051n37.san.rr.com To: David Johnson Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <39F7442A.78B679C5@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, David Johnson wrote: > Far be it for me to defend Microsoft, but I seriously doubt that they > actually held a gun to the head to Dell, Packard Bell, IBM, Acer, et al, > forcing them to ship their products with Windows. It does no good > calling Microsoft evil when it's the computer manufacturer that sells > the "take it or leave it" systems. Actually, you couldn't have picked a better example. All through the mid 80's and part way into the 90's microsoft's licensing deal with the big PC manufacturers said that if you want to ship the windows operating system on ANY PC you manufacture, you must ship it on ALL of them, AND the user must pay for a license whether they want windows or not. The gummint finally put a stop to that one, but it went on for a loooooong time. Gun? Head. Nice to meet you. -- "The dead cannot be seduced." - Kai, "Lexx" Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 25 18:10:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5596B37B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.com ([24.12.186.185]) by femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001026011019.LXVP3598.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com>; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:10:19 -0700 Message-ID: <39F784B9.8C4B34EA@home.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:11:21 -0700 From: Rob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Young Cc: Heiko Recktenwald , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Story with OSS anyone ? References: <007b01c03e21$72524110$837e03cb@dougy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The new kernel support for ESS Solo works better than the OSS version. No clicking! And contrary to their claims, adding just one line to the kernel config file and compiling is much less work than the clunky payware install and crypto key upgrade. I also have an OpenBSD box, and went to all the trouble to try out the trial version of OSS. It turns out that the OSS driver for OpenBSD is incompatible with mpg123. Rob. Doug Young wrote: > > I had a mess around with OSS stuff in Solaris but was far from impressed > ... got infinitely better results from open source alternatives like > timidity & > Netscape plug-ins > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heiko Recktenwald" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 9:35 AM > Subject: Story with OSS anyone ? > > > Hi, surprise, surprise, there is a commercial sounddriver for FreeBSD, > > that is loaded after booting, the demo gives 3 hours, then you have to > > soundoff;soundon and more music or whatever. This driver claims to support > > midi but I couldnt find any player on the CDs. Anyway, some sound, but > > also some rythmic clicking, like Kraftwerk, new music.. Has anybody ever > > experienced this ? The URL is www.opensound.com. > > > > H. > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 26 1:52:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B8237B479 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 01:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p245.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.245]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA433420; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:49:23 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00406; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:46:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:46:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Rob Cc: Doug Young , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Story with OSS anyone ? In-Reply-To: <39F784B9.8C4B34EA@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Rob wrote: > No clicking! And contrary to their claims, adding just one line to the > kernel config file and compiling is much less work than the clunky Yeah, at least if it sounds like Kraftwerk. Have returned to pcm. H. > payware install and crypto key upgrade. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 26 2: 4: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.tbv.se (smtp2.tbv.se [193.15.92.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0D037B479 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 02:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp2.tbv.se (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA37270; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:03:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from james.wilde@tbv.se) Received: from UNKNOWN(193.15.92.37), claiming to be "tbvhks12" via SMTP by smtp2.tbv.se, id smtpde37268; Thu Oct 26 11:03:51 2000 From: "James A Wilde" To: "Zaitsau, Andrei" Cc: Subject: RE: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:06:02 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CE2@exchange.panasonicfa.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Zaitsau, Andrei > Sent: den 26 oktober 2000 00:52 > To: 'ALAOUI EL HASSANI ALI' > Cc: 'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'; 'djohnson@acuson.com'; > 'vcardona@home.com'; 'kdavey@gus33.homeip.net' > Subject: RE: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD > > > Okay.. I hate doing this again. > But what makes the Computer manufacturers not to ship computers with > preinstalled FreeBSD on it, it has no licenses, it's free, it's > very robust > and reliable OS. They don't have to waste money on commercial OS then... > One more time, people won't buy those computers then, because FreeBSD will > be too complicated to them. Right, Andrei. And one has to say it: this problem of Windows supremacy is a self-inflicted wound for the UNIX community. The vast majority of people don't give a shit about computers. All they see is Word or Excel on a screen and it is a tool. When it 'doesn't work', whether it is a technical problem or a functional problem in Word, they call for the same person. The UNIX community, let's admit it, has fostered an air of mystique and complexity since time began. When it was DOS and UNIX unix had ls, cp, mv, rm and DOS had dir, copy, move and del. Within the last two days I have seen comments - in -questions, I think - speaking denigratingly of cluttered KDE and Gnome windows. Out there in the real world, clutered windows are the thing. In here, computer internals are fun and the cli is the thing. Windows are for wimps. I seem to remember that the word 'wimp' is an anacronym derived from Windows, Ixxx, Mouse and Pull-down menus. I don't remember what 'I' stood for - Interface, perhaps. Now, for the first time, when Linux has shown the way with direct installation of a Windows system, Solaris hs its CDE and even FreeBSD has a windowing system which one can install at the same time as the operating system, are we seeing people prepared to consider alternatives. But still it will be a case that they are interested in seeing a module from Star Office on the screen, and when the computer 'won't work', whether it is a technical problem or a functional problem, they will still send for the same person. Just my $0.02. mvh/regards James To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 26 2:39:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de (ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099EE37B4C5; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 02:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE (ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.54]) by ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9Q9fPb54837; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:41:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:41:24 +0200 (CEST) From: "O. Hartmann" To: David Malone Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PGI Fortran Compiler seems to be courios under FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE In-Reply-To: <20001025215959.A81803@synge.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, David Malone wrote: Yes I did branding all binaries I found in bin directory. Oliver :>On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 07:45:04PM +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: :> :>> We are very interested in PGI compilers and therefor I'm looking for a way to :>> run this great compiler suite on our FreeBSD infrastructure. It seems courios :>> to me that the images of a Linux-box compiled program will work on both FreeBS :>> and Linux and the image produced under Linux Emulation on a FreeBSD box is :>> crashing (while compilation works, but no one knows what's going on ..). :> :>Have you tried branding the binaries after compiling them on FreeBSD? :> :> brandelf -t Linux executable :> :>It might be that whatever linker is getting used on FreeBSD isn't doing :>the right branding. :> :> David. :> - MfG O. Hartmann ------------------------------------------------------------------- ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de Klimadatenserver-Abteilung des IPA IT Netz- und Systembetreuung Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz Becherweg 21 D-55099 Mainz BRD/Germany Tel: +496131/3924662 FAX: +496131/3923532 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 26 3:42:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E1E9B37B479; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 03:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 26 Oct 2000 11:40:11 +0100 (BST) To: "O. Hartmann" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PGI Fortran Compiler seems to be courios under FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:41:24 +0200." X-Request-Do: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:40:11 +0100 From: David Malone Message-ID: <200010261140.aa11958@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, David Malone wrote: > Yes I did branding all binaries I found in bin directory. Ahh - but did you try branding the ones produced by compiling your fortran programs? David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 26 4:17:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de (ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDC137B479; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 04:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE (ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.54]) by ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9QBJFb56071; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:19:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:19:15 +0200 (CEST) From: "O. Hartmann" To: David Malone Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PGI Fortran Compiler seems to be courios under FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE In-Reply-To: <200010261140.aa11958@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, David Malone wrote: Yes, I did both: not branding and branding, but with the same result! PGI images fail when built under FreeBSD, but the y run (branded or unbranded when compiled on the Linux native reference machine!). :>> On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, David Malone wrote: :>> Yes I did branding all binaries I found in bin directory. :> :>Ahh - but did you try branding the ones produced by compiling your :>fortran programs? :> :> David. :> - MfG O. Hartmann ------------------------------------------------------------------- ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de Klimadatenserver-Abteilung des IPA IT Netz- und Systembetreuung Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz Becherweg 21 D-55099 Mainz BRD/Germany Tel: +496131/3924662 FAX: +496131/3923532 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 26 7:48:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gus33.homeip.net (hybrid-024-221-140-147.az.sprintbbd.net [24.221.140.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFE437B479 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kdavey@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gus33.homeip.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id HAA15849; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:30:59 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:30:59 -0700 (MST) From: Keith Davey To: James A Wilde Cc: "Zaitsau, Andrei" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, James A Wilde wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Zaitsau, Andrei > > Sent: den 26 oktober 2000 00:52 > > To: 'ALAOUI EL HASSANI ALI' > > Cc: 'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'; 'djohnson@acuson.com'; > > 'vcardona@home.com'; 'kdavey@gus33.homeip.net' > > Subject: RE: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD > > > > > > Okay.. I hate doing this again. > > But what makes the Computer manufacturers not to ship computers with > > preinstalled FreeBSD on it, it has no licenses, it's free, it's > > very robust > > and reliable OS. They don't have to waste money on commercial OS then... > > One more time, people won't buy those computers then, because FreeBSD will > > be too complicated to them. > ---SNIP--- > Within the last two days I have seen comments - in -questions, I think - > speaking denigratingly of cluttered KDE and Gnome windows. Out there in the > real world, clutered windows are the thing. In here, computer internals are > fun and the cli is the thing. Windows are for wimps. I seem to remember > that the word 'wimp' is an anacronym derived from Windows, Ixxx, Mouse and > Pull-down menus. I don't remember what 'I' stood for - Interface, perhaps. The "I" Stood for "Icons" ---SNIP--- > > Just my $0.02. > > mvh/regards > > James > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 26 8: 0:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from macbeth.phy.hr (macbeth.phy.hr [161.53.7.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE5537B479; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kkumer@localhost) by macbeth.phy.hr (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9QEwcx06144; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:58:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from kkumer) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:58:38 +0200 From: Kresimir Kumericki To: "O. Hartmann" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PGI Fortran Compiler seems to be courios under FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE Message-ID: <20001026165838.A5281@phy.hr> Reply-To: kkumer@phy.hr References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 07:45:04PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On (25 Oct 19:45), O. Hartmann wrote: > Well, many devolopers, many scientists and especially our scientists want > Portland Group compiler. So I concentrated my doings on this compiler for > a while, but without success. I can install the newest stuff from Portland > Group, generate a trial evaluation key and I can compile any kind of source > code, but all produced images are crashing immediately after calling them. How do they crash? Segmentation fault? (I think they segfaulted on me before and I also rembember that no branding helped whatsoever.) > Does anyone has any idea or is someone out there who has already installed > the PGI compilers (especially PGF90) on FreeBSD? Well, some time ago I have installed trial versions of both PGF77 and PGF90 on FreeBSD and succesfully compiled and run several F77 and F90 programs. I have uninstalled this software in the meantime since trial version is not nice for using (it gets slower every day) and PGI doesn't want to sell to Croatia due tu US export restrictions!? (Really awkward situation for me since g77 is so much slower on FreeBSD and I need to do a lot of compilation. Any suggestions?) Anyway, motivated by your mail I installed trial version again and it works. Here is what I did. (I remember it took me *a lot* of time to get all the steps right.) 1. Unpack the source linux86-HPF.tar.gz somewhere 2. Edit the file install and comment out line "PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:$PATH" (line 17 for me) 3. Edit the file linux86/bin/fixlinux86 and comment out line "PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:$PATH". In the same file delete the large block at the and where glibc is detected, between lines # GLIBC issues and cat >> $sed << EOF1 and put the following two lines GLIBC="yes" LIBGLIBC=$start/linux86/lib-glibc-212 instead. (I don't get it how you installed pgf90 in the first place without these or equivalent steps?) 4. Set the PATH to get compat/linux before freebsd bin directories and execute install. I have a small script called "lin: #!/bin/sh # lin by kkumer@phy.hr 2000-09-29 # This activates "Linux-environment" for compilations # Usage: e.g. lin gmake export PATH=:/usr/compat/linux/bin: \ /usr/compat/linux/usr/bin:/usr/compat/linux/usr/local/bin: \ /bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:. exec $* and I execute 'lin ./install'. This first item in PATH should be unecesary (I needed it for some other things) but I left it just in case. It is $HOME/bin/pgi in my case. I did these steps just ten minutes ago and then I compiled hello_world.f with pgf77 and some F90 benchmark suite with pgf90 on 4.1.1-STABLE. Everything went ok. No branding was necessary. Tschuss, Kresimir -- Kresimir Kumericki kkumer@phy.hr http://www.phy.hr/~kkumer/ Theoretical Physics Department, University of Zagreb, Croatia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 26 8:38:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de (ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3472937B479; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE (ipamzlx.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.54]) by ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9QFdob24118; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:39:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:39:50 +0200 (CEST) From: "O. Hartmann" To: Kresimir Kumericki Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PGI Fortran Compiler seems to be courios under FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE In-Reply-To: <20001026165838.A5281@phy.hr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Kresimir Kumericki wrote: Well, I so sorry to be that stupid! After I tested this when installing PGI compiler, the Portland Group Fortran Compiler works nice! Thanks a lot to the great FBSD community! Really fast help and 'special qualified' help has been applied. :>On (25 Oct 19:45), O. Hartmann wrote: :>> Well, many devolopers, many scientists and especially our scientists want :>> Portland Group compiler. So I concentrated my doings on this compiler for :>> a while, but without success. I can install the newest stuff from Portland :>> Group, generate a trial evaluation key and I can compile any kind of source :>> code, but all produced images are crashing immediately after calling them. :> :> How do they crash? Segmentation fault? (I think they segfaulted on me :>before and I also rembember that no branding helped whatsoever.) :> :>> Does anyone has any idea or is someone out there who has already installed :>> the PGI compilers (especially PGF90) on FreeBSD? :> :> Well, some time ago I have installed trial versions of both PGF77 and :>PGF90 on FreeBSD and succesfully compiled and run several F77 and F90 :>programs. I have uninstalled this software in the meantime since trial :>version is not nice for using (it gets slower every day) and PGI doesn't :>want to sell to Croatia due tu US export restrictions!? (Really awkward :>situation for me since g77 is so much slower on FreeBSD and I need to do a :>lot of compilation. Any suggestions?) :> Anyway, motivated by your mail I installed trial version again and it :>works. Here is what I did. (I remember it took me *a lot* of time to get all :>the steps right.) :> :>1. Unpack the source linux86-HPF.tar.gz somewhere :> :>2. Edit the file install and comment out line :> "PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:$PATH" :> (line 17 for me) :> :>3. Edit the file linux86/bin/fixlinux86 and comment out line :> "PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:$PATH". :> In the same file delete the large block at the and where glibc is :> detected, between lines :> # GLIBC issues :> and :> cat >> $sed << EOF1 :> and put the following two lines :> GLIBC="yes" :> LIBGLIBC=$start/linux86/lib-glibc-212 :> instead. :> :>(I don't get it how you installed pgf90 in the first place without these :>or equivalent steps?) :> :>4. Set the PATH to get compat/linux before freebsd bin directories and :> execute install. :> I have a small script called "lin: :> :>#!/bin/sh :> :># lin by kkumer@phy.hr 2000-09-29 :># This activates "Linux-environment" for compilations :># Usage: e.g. lin gmake :> :>export PATH=:/usr/compat/linux/bin: \ :> /usr/compat/linux/usr/bin:/usr/compat/linux/usr/local/bin: \ :> /bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:. :>exec $* :> :> :> and I execute 'lin ./install'. This first :> item in PATH should be unecesary (I needed it for some other things) but :> I left it just in case. It is $HOME/bin/pgi in my case. :> :> :>I did these steps just ten minutes ago and then I compiled :>hello_world.f with pgf77 and some F90 benchmark suite with pgf90 on :>4.1.1-STABLE. Everything went ok. No branding was necessary. :> :>Tschuss, :> Kresimir :> :> :>-- :>Kresimir Kumericki kkumer@phy.hr http://www.phy.hr/~kkumer/ :>Theoretical Physics Department, University of Zagreb, Croatia :> - MfG O. Hartmann ------------------------------------------------------------------- ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de Klimadatenserver-Abteilung des IPA IT Netz- und Systembetreuung Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz Becherweg 21 D-55099 Mainz BRD/Germany Tel: +496131/3924662 FAX: +496131/3923532 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 26 10:45:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.rdc1.il.home.com (mail1.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA5637B4CF for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marx.elvisinthemorning.net ([24.17.229.11]) by mail1.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001026174517.OBBR20067.mail1.rdc1.il.home.com@marx.elvisinthemorning.net>; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:45:17 -0700 Received: (from vcardona@localhost) by marx.elvisinthemorning.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id e9QHjfw77025; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:45:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from vcardona) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:45:40 -0500 From: "Victor R. Cardona" To: Tim McMillen Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD Message-ID: <20001026124540.A65233@home.com> References: <000f01c03f67$8b2e90c0$aa240018@cx443070b> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from timcm@umich.edu on Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 01:04:03PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 01:04:03PM -0400, Tim McMillen wrote: > Some of the larger OEM's can start to offer Linux but that's all > they are likely to do soon because of the training costs involved. When > the mass market (even those that are savvy enough to handle a free unix > system) buys a computer they want it to be fully configured when they get > it. It would have to have X windows and KDE or Gnome installed > But then there is still th whole issue with M$'s strongarm tactics > below. Hell, I would be happy if I could just get a system w/o an OS. Oh well, I build my own anyway:-) Victor Cardona To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 26 11: 1:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF06637B479 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JFin1959@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id n.83.1fb8473 (4011) for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:01:36 -0400 (EDT) From: JFin1959@aol.com Message-ID: <83.1fb8473.2729cb80@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:01:36 EDT Subject: Free BSD 4-Color Magazine To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Free BSD user \ subscriber, My name is John Finlay, and I am a magazine publisher, hard copy, not online. I publish 4-color magazines such as Concierge magazine and New Senior Living. These magazines are printed on high quality, glossy paper with sophisticated graphics. Through my association with a BSD user in Houston, I am exploring the idea of publishing a Free BSD magazine. This magazine would contain pertinent articles by the leaders in the BSD industry, and include tech-type advertising to support the publication. My inquiry to you is this, would you be willing to pay for a monthly or quarterly magazine dealing with BSD issues? I anticipate a subscription rate of $5-8 per issue, which will include mailing. My associate has assured me that we will be able to put the magazine on-line as well as publish it in hard copy format. I am presently publishing New Senior Living in Houston, Central \ Southeast Texas, Dallas-Ft. Worth, and Oklahoma. I am presently publishing Concierge in Houston and Dallas. These are totally unrelated magazines, but are very expensive, nice publications that show I am serious about the publishing business. Any comments or suggestions you have on this topic are greatly appreciated. My address is: jfin1959@aol.com or JAM Publications, Inc. 2620--B South Shepherd Drive Suite # 131 Houston, Texas 77098 Telephone: 713-942-7703-------713-942-0698------- National pager: 713-994-7690 I am in the process of contacting the Free BSD companies and authors to gauge interest in this project. Thank you very much for your time and interest. Sincerely, John Finlay JAM Publications, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 26 11:19:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtppop1pub.verizon.net (smtppop1pub.gte.net [206.46.170.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6985437B479 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gte.net (tamqfl1-ar1-200-230.biz.dsl.gtei.net [4.35.200.230]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id NAA15905446 Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:15:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <39F875E7.59048742@gte.net> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:20:24 -0400 From: Tom Collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-AOL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JFin1959@aol.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free BSD 4-Color Magazine References: <83.1fb8473.2729cb80@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Someone may want to start a seperate thread on this one I for 1 would subscribe since I just paid something close to those numbers for the Daemonnews hard copy mag that arrived in my mailbox yesterday, (nice quality, color). I'm guessing tho that you may have to start as a quarterly unless you got an influx of articles or how-tos. Tom Collins, Tampa JFin1959@aol.com wrote: > Dear Free BSD user \ subscriber, > > My name is John Finlay, and I am a magazine publisher, hard copy, not > online. I publish 4-color magazines such as Concierge magazine and New Senior > Living. These magazines are printed on high quality, glossy paper with > sophisticated graphics. > > Through my association with a BSD user in Houston, I am exploring the idea of > publishing a Free BSD magazine. This magazine would contain pertinent > articles by the leaders in the BSD industry, and include tech-type > advertising to support the publication. > > My inquiry to you is this, would you be willing to pay for a monthly or > quarterly magazine dealing with BSD issues? I anticipate a subscription rate > of $5-8 per issue, which will include mailing. My associate has assured me > that we will be able to put the magazine on-line as well as publish it in > hard copy format. > > I am presently publishing New Senior Living in Houston, Central \ Southeast > Texas, Dallas-Ft. Worth, and Oklahoma. I am presently publishing Concierge in > Houston and Dallas. These are totally unrelated magazines, but are very > expensive, nice publications that show I am serious about the publishing > business. > > Any comments or suggestions you have on this topic are greatly appreciated. > > My address is: jfin1959@aol.com > > or JAM Publications, Inc. > 2620--B South Shepherd Drive > Suite # 131 > Houston, Texas 77098 > > Telephone: 713-942-7703-------713-942-0698------- > National pager: 713-994-7690 > > I am in the process of contacting the Free BSD companies and authors to gauge > interest in this project. Thank you very much for your time and interest. > > Sincerely, > > John Finlay > JAM Publications, Inc. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 26 13:22:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx.alles.or.jp (mx.alles.or.jp [210.231.129.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE20537B479; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toshibauser (ppp01043.osaka.alles.or.jp [210.231.161.43]) by mx.alles.or.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-ALLESNET) with SMTP id FAA21729; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 05:16:14 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <01b701c03f89$317207c0$2ba1e7d2@toshibauser> Reply-To: "=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCJV4lRCVQJWkbKEI=?=" From: "=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCJV4lRCVQJWkbKEI=?=" To: Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCJE8kOCRhJF4kNyRGISMbKEI=?= Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 05:12:51 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 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------=_NextPart_000_01B3_01C03FD4.8E3309A0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 26 13:31:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E2637B4C5 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA7170; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:34:10 -0700 Message-ID: <39F893E2.99D9781C@acuson.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:28:18 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JFin1959@aol.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free BSD 4-Color Magazine References: <83.1fb8473.2729cb80@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org JFin1959@aol.com wrote: > My inquiry to you is this, would you be willing to pay for a monthly or > quarterly magazine dealing with BSD issues? I anticipate a subscription rate > of $5-8 per issue, which will include mailing. My associate has assured me > that we will be able to put the magazine on-line as well as publish it in > hard copy format. I'll subscribe if one comes out... David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 26 14: 0:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ux10.cso.uiuc.edu (ux10.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D398D37B4CF; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (eheine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ux10.cso.uiuc.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e9QL0RV25905; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:00:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:00:26 -0500 (CDT) From: erich alfred heine X-Sender: eheine@ux10.cso.uiuc.edu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Installing to secondary hdd Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I am wanting to install freebsd on my secondary hard disk. If i do this, can I just put the freebsd loader on that disk's MBR and have lilo point to it? If I can do that, does anyone know how to set up lilo that way? Also, when it comes time to get rid of linux on my primary disk and make it into free space, can I just switch the secondary disk to the primary disk, and vice versa, since the secondary disk's MBR has the freebsd loader on it? or would I need to change anything (besides the jumpers on the hard drives and the cables). Thanks Erich Heine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 26 14: 8:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from exchserver.impact8.com (unknown [216.98.200.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6EB37B479; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by EXCHSERVER with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:04:26 -0600 Message-ID: <572C6148D69AD4119DEB00D0B765D10B040DC5@EXCHSERVER> From: Peter Kuyarov To: 'erich alfred heine' , "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: Installing to secondary hdd Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:04:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org in lilo just make it point to not say /dev/hdb1 but /dev/hdb (which is MBR basically, it might complain but it shoudl work and make sure hdb is marked as active.) also you might need to have an option that says somethign along the lines of loader=/boot/chain.b (I don't use that option, but I hear sometimes u have to have it.) Right now I have lilo booting from hdb then it either from there boots Win95 on hda or boots FBSD on hda also. --- www.nul.cjb.net --- The Power to Crash --- www.FreeBSD.org --- The Power to Serve -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of erich alfred heine Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 3:00 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Installing to secondary hdd Hi all, I am wanting to install freebsd on my secondary hard disk. If i do this, can I just put the freebsd loader on that disk's MBR and have lilo point to it? If I can do that, does anyone know how to set up lilo that way? Also, when it comes time to get rid of linux on my primary disk and make it into free space, can I just switch the secondary disk to the primary disk, and vice versa, since the secondary disk's MBR has the freebsd loader on it? or would I need to change anything (besides the jumpers on the hard drives and the cables). Thanks Erich Heine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 26 15:43:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailrouter.triton.net (mail.triton.net [209.172.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 81E8937B479 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26759 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 22:45:59 -0000 Received: from gr-ppp-1-120.triton.net (HELO unixkix) (216.65.161.120) by mail.triton.net with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 22:45:59 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c03f9c$deae8040$78a141d8@unixkix> From: "Joel Powers" To: Cc: References: <83.1fb8473.2729cb80@aol.com> Subject: Re: Free BSD 4-Color Magazine Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:34:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This particular post really impresses me...both as a budding freebsd user and as a printer of hard copy materials (mostly books, but occaisional catalogs and newsletters. If you are interested in a bid for the printing job, I am sure one of the CSRs where I work would be happy to provide one. Please let me know if this is needed/wanted. I also would like to introduce myself to all of you. My name is Joel Powers and I have been a happy user of freebsd for the past year. I have yet to attempt anything very adventurous, i.e. networking or internetworking. However I look forward to a somewhat frustrating, yet fulfilling life with freebsd. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 26 17: 8:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net (fepout1.telus.net [199.185.220.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9EAE37B479 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from q ([209.53.59.203]) by priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.11 201-229-116-111) with ESMTP id <20001027000811.XNWT20325.priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net@q> for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:08:11 -0600 Message-ID: <001c01c03fa9$ffefc360$cb3b35d1@bconnected.net> From: "Q" To: Subject: Request: conf for qmail Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:08:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C03F6F.53355DE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C03F6F.53355DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello all=20 Im trying to set up qmail or sendmail for relay mail only. can't seem to get it working with both sendmail and qmail. =20 Coud somone post a sample conf for me to look it=20 i just smtp to have a set of ips that it allow to relay=20 the rest of the world will b blocked off=20 Thx much=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C03F6F.53355DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello all
 
Im trying to set up qmail or sendmail = for relay=20 mail only.
 
can't seem to get it working with both = sendmail and=20 qmail. 
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i just smtp to have a set of ips that = it allow to=20 relay
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C03F6F.53355DE0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 26 17:21:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (pop3.pioneernet.net [208.240.196.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C058037B479 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wiegand.org [208.194.173.26] by pioneernet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.03) id AE7D28FA00B8; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:38:21 -0700 Message-ID: <39F8CACC.FC6F4DC0@wiegand.org> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:22:36 -0700 From: Chip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free BSD 4-Color Magazine References: <83.1fb8473.2729cb80@aol.com> <39F875E7.59048742@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would also subscribe as soon as it becomes possible. Like Tom, I just recieved my copy of Daemon News and found it quite enlightening. Tom Collins wrote: > > Someone may want to start a seperate thread on this one > I for 1 would subscribe since I just paid something close to those numbers for > the Daemonnews hard copy mag that arrived in my mailbox yesterday, (nice quality, > color). I'm guessing tho that you may have to start as a quarterly unless you got > an influx of articles or how-tos. > Tom Collins, Tampa > > JFin1959@aol.com wrote: > > > Dear Free BSD user \ subscriber, > > > > My name is John Finlay, and I am a magazine publisher, hard copy, not > > online. I publish 4-color magazines such as Concierge magazine and New Senior > > Living. These magazines are printed on high quality, glossy paper with > > sophisticated graphics. > > > > Through my association with a BSD user in Houston, I am exploring the idea of > > publishing a Free BSD magazine. This magazine would contain pertinent > > articles by the leaders in the BSD industry, and include tech-type > > advertising to support the publication. > > > > My inquiry to you is this, would you be willing to pay for a monthly or > > quarterly magazine dealing with BSD issues? I anticipate a subscription rate > > of $5-8 per issue, which will include mailing. My associate has assured me > > that we will be able to put the magazine on-line as well as publish it in > > hard copy format. > > > > I am presently publishing New Senior Living in Houston, Central \ Southeast > > Texas, Dallas-Ft. Worth, and Oklahoma. I am presently publishing Concierge in > > Houston and Dallas. These are totally unrelated magazines, but are very > > expensive, nice publications that show I am serious about the publishing > > business. > > > > Any comments or suggestions you have on this topic are greatly appreciated. > > > > My address is: jfin1959@aol.com > > > > or JAM Publications, Inc. > > 2620--B South Shepherd Drive > > Suite # 131 > > Houston, Texas 77098 > > > > Telephone: 713-942-7703-------713-942-0698------- > > National pager: 713-994-7690 > > > > I am in the process of contacting the Free BSD companies and authors to gauge > > interest in this project. Thank you very much for your time and interest. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > John Finlay > > JAM Publications, Inc. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Chip W. www.wiegand.org Alternative Operating Systems To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 26 17:34:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from whizkidtech.net (r8.bfm.org [216.127.220.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7974C37B479; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adam@localhost) by whizkidtech.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id TAA00246; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:33:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:33:02 -0500 From: "G. Adam Stanislav" To: erich alfred heine Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing to secondary hdd Message-ID: <20001026193302.A230@whizkidtech.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from eheine@students.uiuc.edu on Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 04:00:26PM -0500 Organization: Whiz Kid Technomagic X-URL: http://www.whizkidtech.net/ X-Castle: http://www.redprince.net/ X-Special-Effects: http://www.FilmSFX.com/ X-Operating-System: FreeBSD whizkidtech.net 3.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 04:00:26PM -0500, erich alfred heine wrote: >Also, when it comes time to get rid of linux on my primary disk and make >it into free space, can I just switch the secondary disk to the primary >disk, and vice versa, since the secondary disk's MBR has the freebsd >loader on it? or would I need to change anything (besides the jumpers on >the hard drives and the cables). While I don't know anything about lilo, I can answer this second question of yours: You do not have to change anything in your hardware setup. I use the FreeBSD loader. I have FreeBSD on the secondary disk, Windows on the primary disk. I have the FreeBSD loader on both disks. When I need Windows, I press F1 and it loads Windows from the primary disk. When I need FreeBSD, I press F5 (go to the secondary disk). At the prompt from the loader on the secondary disk, I then press F2 to boot FreeBSD. Works like charm! Cheers, Adam -- Suppose you were an idiot. Suppose you were a member of Congress. But I'm repeating myself... -- Mark Twain To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 26 21:46:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from racine.cybercable.fr (racine.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D3B1137B479 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4074096 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2000 04:46:49 -0000 Received: from d018.dhcp212-175.cybercable.fr (HELO cybercable.fr) ([212.198.175.18]) (envelope-sender ) by racine.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 27 Oct 2000 04:46:49 -0000 Message-ID: <39F90A08.1D95735B@cybercable.fr> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 06:52:24 +0200 From: Saad KADHI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free BSD 4-Color Magazine References: <83.1fb8473.2729cb80@aol.com> <39F875E7.59048742@gte.net> <39F8CACC.FC6F4DC0@wiegand.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would subscribe too...if you plan on Int'l shipping though. And I suggest you start as a quarterly to *feel* the community. I am really looking for more mags/coverage of *BSD. > I would also subscribe as soon as it becomes possible. Like Tom, > I > just recieved my copy of Daemon News and found it quite > enlightening. > > Tom Collins wrote: > > > > Someone may want to start a seperate thread on this one > > I for 1 would subscribe since I just paid something close to those numbers for > > the Daemonnews hard copy mag that arrived in my mailbox yesterday, (nice quality, > > color). I'm guessing tho that you may have to start as a quarterly unless you got > > an influx of articles or how-tos. > > Tom Collins, Tampa > > > > JFin1959@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Dear Free BSD user \ subscriber, > > > > > > My name is John Finlay, and I am a magazine publisher, hard copy, not > > > online. I publish 4-color magazines such as Concierge magazine and New Senior > > > Living. These magazines are printed on high quality, glossy paper with > > > sophisticated graphics. > > > > > > Through my association with a BSD user in Houston, I am exploring the idea of > > > publishing a Free BSD magazine. This magazine would contain pertinent > > > articles by the leaders in the BSD industry, and include tech-type > > > advertising to support the publication. > > > > > > My inquiry to you is this, would you be willing to pay for a monthly or > > > quarterly magazine dealing with BSD issues? I anticipate a subscription rate > > > of $5-8 per issue, which will include mailing. My associate has assured me > > > that we will be able to put the magazine on-line as well as publish it in > > > hard copy format. > > > > > > I am presently publishing New Senior Living in Houston, Central \ Southeast > > > Texas, Dallas-Ft. Worth, and Oklahoma. I am presently publishing Concierge in > > > Houston and Dallas. These are totally unrelated magazines, but are very > > > expensive, nice publications that show I am serious about the publishing > > > business. > > > > > > Any comments or suggestions you have on this topic are greatly appreciated. > > > > > > My address is: jfin1959@aol.com > > > > > > or JAM Publications, Inc. > > > 2620--B South Shepherd Drive > > > Suite # 131 > > > Houston, Texas 77098 > > > > > > Telephone: 713-942-7703-------713-942-0698------- > > > National pager: 713-994-7690 > > > > > > I am in the process of contacting the Free BSD companies and authors to gauge > > > interest in this project. Thank you very much for your time and interest. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > John Finlay > > > JAM Publications, Inc. > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > -- > Chip W. > www.wiegand.org > Alternative Operating Systems > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Saad KADHI -- Security Engineer --------------------------------- perl -e 'print ($myself=pack(c2,unpack(c,EOF)-3,(((hex(0x666)/6)-666)/2)-66+4), pack(c3,((int(exp(666)/10e287)+int(log(666)*2))*2)+10,int(crypt(ski,72)),oct(12)));' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 26 22:39:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f18.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4E437B479 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:39:43 -0700 Received: from 64.216.106.16 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 05:39:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.216.106.16] From: "That Guy" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Any good mpeg, mpg, avi, general media players (movies) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 05:39:42 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2000 05:39:43.0195 (UTC) FILETIME=[4EAEFAB0:01C03FD8] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You guys have any ideas about good media players? I don't particularly like real, of course I didn't spend much time on configuration. I like mpegtv if they wouldn't have made that ass-beating registration bullshit. Anybody have any ideas about good ones? Josh >From: JFin1959@aol.com >To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >Subject: Free BSD 4-Color Magazine >Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:01:36 EDT > >Dear Free BSD user \ subscriber, > > My name is John Finlay, and I am a magazine publisher, hard copy, not >online. I publish 4-color magazines such as Concierge magazine and New >Senior >Living. These magazines are printed on high quality, glossy paper with >sophisticated graphics. > >Through my association with a BSD user in Houston, I am exploring the idea >of >publishing a Free BSD magazine. This magazine would contain pertinent >articles by the leaders in the BSD industry, and include tech-type >advertising to support the publication. > >My inquiry to you is this, would you be willing to pay for a monthly or >quarterly magazine dealing with BSD issues? I anticipate a subscription >rate >of $5-8 per issue, which will include mailing. My associate has assured me >that we will be able to put the magazine on-line as well as publish it in >hard copy format. > >I am presently publishing New Senior Living in Houston, Central \ Southeast >Texas, Dallas-Ft. Worth, and Oklahoma. I am presently publishing Concierge >in >Houston and Dallas. These are totally unrelated magazines, but are very >expensive, nice publications that show I am serious about the publishing >business. > >Any comments or suggestions you have on this topic are greatly appreciated. > >My address is: jfin1959@aol.com > >or JAM Publications, Inc. >2620--B South Shepherd Drive >Suite # 131 >Houston, Texas 77098 > >Telephone: 713-942-7703-------713-942-0698------- >National pager: 713-994-7690 > >I am in the process of contacting the Free BSD companies and authors to >gauge >interest in this project. Thank you very much for your time and interest. > >Sincerely, > >John Finlay >JAM Publications, Inc. > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 27 0: 2:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.tbv.se (smtp2.tbv.se [193.15.92.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9C237B479 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp2.tbv.se (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA41828; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:01:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from james.wilde@tbv.se) Received: from UNKNOWN(193.15.92.37), claiming to be "tbvhks12" via SMTP by smtp2.tbv.se, id smtpds41826; Fri Oct 27 09:01:51 2000 From: "James A Wilde" To: , Subject: RE: Free BSD 4-Color Magazine Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:04:14 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <83.1fb8473.2729cb80@aol.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of JFin1959@aol.com > Sent: den 26 oktober 2000 20:02 > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Free BSD 4-Color Magazine > > > Dear Free BSD user \ subscriber, > > My name is John Finlay, and I am a magazine publisher, hard > > My inquiry to you is this, would you be willing to pay for a monthly or > quarterly magazine dealing with BSD issues? I anticipate a > subscription rate > of $5-8 per issue, which will include mailing. My associate has Judging from recent threads, John, I think you'ld find a lot of interest in here. Why not post a call for articles, your guidelines (both content and style) for authors and, when the time is ripe, a subscription form in this forum? mvh/regards James To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 27 0: 6:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E3937B479 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c996775-a.vncvr1.wa.home.com ([24.16.193.228]) by femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001027070507.EZDN26316.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c996775-a.vncvr1.wa.home.com> for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:05:07 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 07:06:26 +0100 From: yuri X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.46d) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: yuri X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <6149014068.20001027070626@home.com> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: another 7 billion down Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello , [had they paid 7 bil to FreeBSD team...;-)] The Associated Press Friday, Oct. 27, 2000; 1:23 a.m. EDT NEW YORK –– Hackers reportedly broke into Microsoft Corp.'s computer network and may have stolen blueprints to the latest versions of the company's Windows and Office software. Microsoft and the FBI are investigating the break-in, which was discovered Wednesday by the software giant's security employees, The Wall Street Journal reported on its Web site Friday, citing people familiar with the situation. Security employees discovered that passwords used to transfer the source code behind Microsoft's software were being sent from the company's computer network in Redmond, Wash., to an e-mail account in St. Petersburg, Russia, the Journal reported. A Microsoft spokesman confirmed that the company's corporate network had been hacked and said "the integrity of Microsoft source code remains secure," the newspaper reported. A person familiar with the break-in told the Journal that it appeared the hackers accessed Microsoft's system by e-mailing software, called QAZ Trojan, to the company's network and then opening a so-called back door through the infected computer. Microsoft was planning to investigate the break-in without help from U.S. authorities, the Journal reported, but the company contacted the FBI on Thursday. The FBI declined comment when contacted early Friday by The Associated Press. -- Best regards, yuri mailto:ure@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 27 0:20:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.tbv.se (smtp2.tbv.se [193.15.92.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D3D37B4C5 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp2.tbv.se (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA41876; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:14:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from james.wilde@tbv.se) Received: from UNKNOWN(193.15.92.37), claiming to be "tbvhks12" via SMTP by smtp2.tbv.se, id smtpdI41874; Fri Oct 27 09:14:04 2000 From: "James A Wilde" To: "yuri" , Subject: RE: another 7 billion down Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:16:26 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <6149014068.20001027070626@home.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Security employees discovered that passwords used to transfer the > source code > behind Microsoft's software were being sent from the company's computer > network in Redmond, Wash., to an e-mail account in St. Petersburg, Russia, > the Journal reported. > Best regards, > yuri Not the Yuri from St Petersburg, Russia by any chance? :) mvh/regards James To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 27 0:35:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.ovis.net (ns1.ovis.net [207.0.147.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E1E37B4C5 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ovis.net (s18.pm5.ovis.net [207.0.147.85]) by ns1.ovis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA23312; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 03:34:26 -0400 Message-ID: <39F9321F.FC13681F@ovis.net> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 03:43:27 -0400 From: Steve Kudlak Reply-To: chromexa@ovis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD ezn/58/n (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Q Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Request: conf for qmail References: <001c01c03fa9$ffefc360$cb3b35d1@bconnected.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Q wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: quoted-printable Here goes!!! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 27 0:52:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1AED37B479 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c996775-a.vncvr1.wa.home.com ([24.16.193.228]) by femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001027075126.FAKM26793.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c996775-a.vncvr1.wa.home.com> for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:51:26 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 07:49:41 +0100 From: yuri X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.46d) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: yuri X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <3251609450.20001027074941@home.com> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: another 7 billion down In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello James, Friday, October 27, 2000, 08:16:26 zulu time, you wrote: JAW> Not the Yuri from St Petersburg, Russia by any chance? JAW> :) nope, I used to be a Russian though ;-) the story is all over the place, here they say something about the network being compromised for over 3 months; my point is that had they spent a fraction of that money utilising the best talent from Open Source camp, they might be happier campers by now... or this could be a cheap trick leading to "Save MSFT! Don't touch ma guns and ma soft!" Redmond, Washington, Oct. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Microsoft Corp. said its computer network was broken into by hackers. The world's biggest software maker is working with federal authorities to track down the culprits. Microsoft became aware of the attack in the last few days, spokesman John Pinette said, confirming a report earlier in the Wall Street Journal. ``We view this as a deplorable act and are working with law enforcement to protect our intellectual property,'' Pinette said. Source code to some of Microsoft's most valuable software, including the latest versions of Windows and Office, may have been stolen by the hackers, the Journal reported. Redmond, Washington- based Microsoft is the world's largest software maker. ``At this point, we don't view that anyone has compromised or otherwise tampered with our source code,'' Pinette said. He declined to comment on the specifics of the break-in. Microsoft security employees discovered the break-in on Wednesday, the paper said. They found that internal passwords were being sent to an e-mail address in St. Petersburg, Russia, and were being used to transfer computer source code outside of the company's campus, the paper said. Blueprints The hackers are believed to have had access to the computer network for three months, the Journal said. It appears that they were initially able to slip into Microsoft's network using a software program called QAZ Trojan, the paper said, citing a person familiar with the case. So-called Trojans allow hackers to get into a computer network undetected and then use the system against the will of the authorized users, said Sam Curry, security architect at McAfee.com Corp., a computer-security software maker. If the hackers were able to get Microsoft source code, they'd be able to create their own versions of the software or make perfect copies, he said. ``When you get source code from a company, you're stealing the blueprints to a piece of software,'' Curry said. Microsoft tried to trace the break-in itself and then contacted the FBI yesterday, the Journal said. A possible motive for such a break-in could be hackers who want to hold Microsoft hostage by threatening to disclose the company's intellectual property, the paper said. This isn't the first time Microsoft's computers have been hacked into, Pinette said. ``People have accessed portions of our network before and we've moved aggressively to address the problem,'' he said. -- Best regards, yuri mailto:ure@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 27 1:38:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BCD837B4C5 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 01:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p177.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.177]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA98126; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:35:05 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00352; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:20:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:20:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: That Guy Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Any good mpeg, mpg, avi, general media players (movies) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > real, of course I didn't spend much time on configuration. I like mpegtv if You could and should just use the mtvp commandline thing, without the mtv GUI. There are other things in the making but mtvp is still good enough for me. And for "real" content, you need the "Real" player in every case... I dont know of any "general media players", maybe Bill Gates writes one for us. Or you ? H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 27 4:28:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2D037B479 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 04:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p253.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.253]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA262660 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:25:06 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06369 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:27:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:27:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Any good mpeg, mpg, avi, general media players (movies) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, That Guy wrote: > You guys have any ideas about good media players? I don't particularly like > real, of course I didn't spend much time on configuration. I like mpegtv if > they wouldn't have made that ass-beating registration bullshit. Anybody > have any ideas about good ones? This is a very interesting question of very big general interest, as far as "general media players" are concerned. The problem behind is if we should use audio/x-mpegurl aka m3u for streaming *video*, or if this MIME type should be reserved for *audio*, where it came from (www.mp3.com and others.) I made something about this at http://www.uni-bonn.de/~uzs106/ where I suggest a new MIME type for MPEG video, video/x-mpegurl aka mgu. There are a lot of arguments against using m3u filelists for video. IMHO in practice, using m3u for video, it is possible today with the MS Media player, is more complicated than using a new MIME type. If you use m3u for video you have to create a bunch of new software, filtering the audiofiles out, to give the URL to the MPEG Video player and so on. And you cant use Realplayer anymore for mp3s, as this beast doesnt like MPEG video... Well, the latter might be a Windoze problem and one solution would be that Real supports MPEG Video too, which would be an end of their "internet content monopoly", but from an average Unix users point of view, I am happy with mpg123 for audio and mtvp for video and all I need for streaming MPEG Video is this little shellscript, see URL, faq. More bandwidth ;-) H. 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owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 27 5:36:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from urania.westgate.gr (urania.westgate.gr [212.205.119.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51EFA37B479 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 05:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from charon@localhost) by urania.westgate.gr (8.11.1/8.11.1) id e9RCYLb00596; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:34:21 +0300 (EEST) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:34:21 +0300 (EEST) From: Giorgos Keramidas Message-Id: <200010271234.e9RCYLb00596@urania.westgate.gr> To: asistinterop@arnet.com.ar, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <004701c04010$f9562280$110101c0@INTEROP> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Matias Scoppa" wrote: > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. [...] You do not need to send a message to the list address to unsubscribe yourself from it. Oh, and if or when you subscribe again, please do not post in anything else but plain ASCII. A lot of people reading this list read their mail in text-only terminals, with mailers that are not HTML-capable. - giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 27 7:34:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from exchserver.impact8.com (unknown [216.98.200.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75D037B479 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 07:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by EXCHSERVER with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 08:30:55 -0600 Message-ID: <572C6148D69AD4119DEB00D0B765D10B040DC6@EXCHSERVER> From: Peter Kuyarov To: 'yuri' , "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: RE: another 7 billion down Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 08:30:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does this mean MS is finally going OpenSource? Will we know see Got MS code URL's instead of GotDecSS URL's. --- www.nul.cjb.net --- The Power to Crash --- www.FreeBSD.org --- The Power to Serve -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of yuri Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 12:06 AM To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: another 7 billion down Hello , [had they paid 7 bil to FreeBSD team...;-)] The Associated Press Friday, Oct. 27, 2000; 1:23 a.m. EDT NEW YORK -- Hackers reportedly broke into Microsoft Corp.'s computer network and may have stolen blueprints to the latest versions of the company's Windows and Office software. Microsoft and the FBI are investigating the break-in, which was discovered Wednesday by the software giant's security employees, The Wall Street Journal reported on its Web site Friday, citing people familiar with the situation. Security employees discovered that passwords used to transfer the source code behind Microsoft's software were being sent from the company's computer network in Redmond, Wash., to an e-mail account in St. Petersburg, Russia, the Journal reported. A Microsoft spokesman confirmed that the company's corporate network had been hacked and said "the integrity of Microsoft source code remains secure," the newspaper reported. A person familiar with the break-in told the Journal that it appeared the hackers accessed Microsoft's system by e-mailing software, called QAZ Trojan, to the company's network and then opening a so-called back door through the infected computer. Microsoft was planning to investigate the break-in without help from U.S. authorities, the Journal reported, but the company contacted the FBI on Thursday. The FBI declined comment when contacted early Friday by The Associated Press. -- Best regards, yuri mailto:ure@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 27 10:12:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.ovis.net (ns1.ovis.net [207.0.147.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD53E37B479 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ovis.net (s0.pm5.ovis.net [207.0.147.67]) by ns1.ovis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27680; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:12:02 -0400 Message-ID: <39F9B97B.86763E5E@ovis.net> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:20:59 -0400 From: Steve Kudlak Reply-To: chromexa@ovis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD ezn/58/n (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Victor R. Cardona" Cc: Tim McMillen , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, e v , xep@pvorus.logy.org Subject: Re: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD References: <000f01c03f67$8b2e90c0$aa240018@cx443070b> <20001026124540.A65233@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Victor R. Cardona" wrote: > On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 01:04:03PM -0400, Tim McMillen wrote: > > Some of the larger OEM's can start to offer Linux but that's all > > they are likely to do soon because of the training costs involved. When > > the mass market (even those that are savvy enough to handle a free unix > > system) buys a computer they want it to be fully configured when they get > > it. It would have to have X windows and KDE or Gnome installed > > But then there is still th whole issue with M$'s strongarm tactics > > below. > > Hell, I would be happy if I could just get a system w/o an OS. Oh well, > I build my own anyway:-) > > Victor Cardona > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message I sortof agree. But there is dangrer in these fully configured systems from people like Gateway and Dell. Dell I think will given you a congiured Linux. I will say for Gateway that they have to this point been nothing BUT speedy and prompt with their response and service. The acid test will come about when I call and tell them I hate Pegausus Mail. mail and don't want to see it on startup, nor several other things they and Uncle Bill feel are just the cat's meow. Right now I am going through the windows startup for win 98 and it is as obtuse and messy as Sun and SPARC and X could handle and trying my handat at it. ANother hard drive (danni's or not:) to boot LINUX, BSD etc.off of is sounding more and more appealing. Now if REDHAT stopped trying to out AMA the AMA (when they became THE MEDICAL EStablishment with a little ihnolding for thre D.O). Also it woud be nice if BSDer's at least some I have seen on the mailing lists, would get off the "this the real world deal with it" (which sound close to RTFM). But at least beteween newbie's list and hacker's list I am gaining the understanding (well a re understanding of BSD, the *nix I learned on)of BSD. ANd I hear lest flaming there than eleswhere, and less chatisement for violations of nrettiqutte (what the bloody hell that is!!!:;) So it looks like BSD or SUSE, and with soource I'll at least have a place to start should things get weird. And I;ll have a fun and stable OS. So it took me awhile to build and I creied on some frineds' soulhders but it will be there (gee did I use the future perfect tense;) The way rents in places I rather be, and Wheeling, WV (current place) is not ehrer I wanna be...I may be willing to offer training for a comfy room, a pizza, food and movie and book allowance) +plus a Universal Transit Card to the SF BAY and even gasp LA! and Portland, OR as long as I can have 81F/27C/300K at 40% Rel Humidity Living space. Note well I am passingakidney stone and somwhat out of it, consuming 4 Vicodin ES, 5 Klopopin and a couple Dramamine on a still empty stomach. Maybe I should eat something. I also read a few microsoft books a la Tim O' and friends. Have Fun (Hope this was illustrative), Sends Steve (Note: I am an intermediate-bie and all my postings are appropriate;) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 27 10:16:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B82F37B479 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA2B24; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:19:37 -0700 Message-ID: <39F9B7CA.C2B46CAE@acuson.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:13:46 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: That Guy Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any good mpeg, mpg, avi, general media players (movies) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That Guy wrote: > > You guys have any ideas about good media players? I don't particularly like > real, of course I didn't spend much time on configuration. I like mpegtv if > they wouldn't have made that ass-beating registration bullshit. Anybody > have any ideas about good ones? Well, if you're not adverse to GUI interfaces in general, and desktops in particular, then there's aKtion, which is part of KDE2. It does mpeg and avi. I'm still waiting for Apple to make QuickTime available for some Unix other than darwin. 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Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 27 13:16:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gus33.homeip.net (hybrid-024-221-140-147.az.sprintbbd.net [24.221.140.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D3E37B479 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kdavey@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gus33.homeip.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id NAA19399; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:16:41 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:16:41 -0700 (MST) From: Keith Davey To: Steve Kudlak Cc: "Victor R. Cardona" , Tim McMillen , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, e v , xep@pvorus.logy.org Subject: Re: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <39F9B97B.86763E5E@ovis.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Steve Kudlak wrote: > > > "Victor R. Cardona" wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 01:04:03PM -0400, Tim McMillen wrote: > > > Some of the larger OEM's can start to offer Linux but that's all > > > they are likely to do soon because of the training costs involved. When > > > the mass market (even those that are savvy enough to handle a free unix > > > system) buys a computer they want it to be fully configured when they get > > > it. It would have to have X windows and KDE or Gnome installed > > > But then there is still th whole issue with M$'s strongarm tactics > > > below. > > > > Hell, I would be happy if I could just get a system w/o an OS. Oh well, > > I build my own anyway:-) > > > > Victor Cardona > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > I sortof agree. But there is dangrer in these fully configured systems from > people like Gateway and Dell. Dell I think will given you a congiured Linux. I > will say for Gateway that they have to this point been nothing BUT speedy and > prompt with their response and service. The acid test will come about when I > call and tell them I hate Pegausus Mail. mail and don't want to see it on > startup, nor several other things they and Uncle Bill feel are just the cat's > meow. SNIP Now I speak for my self, and base on expereance of what I have seen most other people do. Most computer "competent" people out there (aka enthusasts/poweruser) blow the preinstalled OS off the drive as soon as the get the box from Dell or such (or build it them selves, but some of us like the warrenty). Even if the OS that is going on to the platform is the OS that shiped with it. (Guilty of running a Win98 box I admit). Personaly I do not feel like getting invited to creat my new AOL or MSN account every time I start my system. Much rather install a base system and know what I got and where. However this trend seems to be dieing do to the factthat venders like Dell no longer ship the original OEM disk from Microsoft, but a "Recovery" disk that contains the Win98 CABS. Boot this baby and the firstthing you see is "Join AOL now!" I guess that is what happens when you dumb down computers enough. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 27 15:56:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hellasnet.gr (mail.hellasnet.gr [212.54.192.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E17DC37B479 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.hell.gr (ppp2.patr.hellasnet.gr [212.54.197.17]) by mail.hellasnet.gr (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA22250 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:56:06 -0200 (GMT) Received: (qmail 5690 invoked by uid 1001); 27 Oct 2000 22:56:45 -0000 Date: 27 Oct 2000 22:56:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20001027225645.5689.qmail@hades.hell.gr> From: "Giorgos Keramidas" To: chromexa@ovis.net, kdavey@gus33.homeip.net Subject: Re: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD Cc: ellen_venable@yahoo.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, timcm@umich.edu, vcardona@home.com, xep@pvorus.logy.org In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Keith Davey apparently said: | | Personaly I do not feel like getting invited to creat my new AOL or | MSN account every time I start my system. Much rather install a base | system and know what I got and where. However this trend seems to | be dieing do to the factthat venders like Dell no longer ship the | original OEM disk from Microsoft, but a "Recovery" disk that contains | the Win98 CABS. Boot this baby and the firstthing you see is "Join | AOL now!" I guess that is what happens when you dumb down computers | enough. Well, most vendors do ship a disk as you have noted. The CABs of Windows included, but when I booted an IBM PC and saw the installation of Win98 quickly run through the entire thing without letting me choose *a* *single* option, I simply freaked out, threw the darn disk away and installed Windows from an old copy of an OEM disk. This lack of 'option', i.e. having IBM choose what I should install and what not, is something that scares the hell out of me. There are others, though, that find this cute and, believe it or not, they really like it. A sad thing, but it seems that the average IQ of users drops, or companies like to think that this is what happens. But if you treat someone like an idiot for a while, he will quite likely start behaving like one, real soon :( - giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 27 18:30:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04AFA37B479 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA97955 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:30:30 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:30:30 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200010280230.MAA97955@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Oct 28 2:41:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.ne.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ne.home.com [24.2.4.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9131637B4C5 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 02:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ftp ([24.178.142.24]) by mail.rdc1.ne.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001028094126.PGOT19282.mail.rdc1.ne.home.com@ftp> for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 02:41:26 -0700 From: "Joshua L. 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On 27 Oct 2000, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > A sad thing, but it seems that the average IQ of users drops, or > companies like to think that this is what happens. But if you treat I though the same after install of the newest Windows Media Player. IMHO there is no option anymore to enable multiple streams. Or to have different windowsizes. I even couldnt find an option to turn off the "Cinema" window when listening to music. Glibberish look and feel anyway. But the technic used, how the thing downloads needed codecs, there are now so many, is convincing, same as the filelist window, where you can click on every file in a long list. I thought, that the computer has become a usual tool in everybodys household, users might have indeed changed. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message