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Hi,
got two problems I'd like to get solved.. so if someone
is brave enough to help a newbie, here goes:

1.
when trying to start X. (which earlier worked just fine)
I keep getting this error-report:

"xf86OpenConsole: KDENABIO failed (Operation not permitted)"

and that it hits me right back to the cli...

2.
when trying to install packages from /usr/ports/*
i.e /usr/ports/ftp/wget/  by writing  "make" or "make install",
it doesn't try to read files from my 4.2 cdrom... doesn't matter
if it's mounted or not...
when i copyied the files to /usr/ports/distfiles/ it STILL didn't
read them...
anyone knows why?!?


thnx,


Jonas '[cbx]jetthe' Tull
[jetthe@home.se - uin: 6477925 - http://sqrk.n3.net]




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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Sun Nov 26 11:27: 7 2000
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In order to stop chating:  you may want to try asking on 
questions@FreeBSD.org - that list is for technical questions.

And for Doug: I like vi too ..

stefan


> Hello everyone
> 
> I am a newbie to Unix in general and FreeBSD in particular, 
> but I have a lot of experience with all sorts of OS-es, 
> dating back to the CDC-6400.  vi is not so strange, believe 
> it or not :) 
> 
> I recently bought BSD 4.1 Desktop Edition.  The install 
> worked just fine, as far as it went, it just didn't go far 
> enough.  I need to connect to my office network to do 
> anything - print, surf, whatever - but I have an Olicom 3118 
> tokenring NIC in this box.  
> 
> The Complete FreeBSD book that came with the package was 
> written for version 3.x and the CDs do not have the CVS on it 
> (at least, I couldn't find it and I have looked for it pretty 
> darn hard).  Nonetheless, it covers most subjects well enough 
> so that I can I generalize the info to my particular 
> situation, I think.
> 
> I understand that to get the Olicom working, I need to build 
> new kernel.  I created my own configuration file after 
> studying LINT and starting with GENERIC.  I think I have the 
> correct files in the correct places.  config, make depend, 
> make and make install all work without any fatal or serious 
> errors (an occasional warning comes up in make depend).
> 
> My question is this (and perhaps it is better addressed to 
> the tokenring list, but I thought I should start here, being 
> a newbie) - when I boot, all the devices I have defined in 
> the config come up, except for the Olicom.  I get this instead 
> 
> >>  unknown0: <Olicom Token-Ring ISA 16/4> at port 
> 0xa00-0xa1f irq 3 drq1 on ISA0
> 
> Having browsed the tokenring mailing list archive, I have 
> seen comments that the ISA cards have had support dropped, to 
> be replaced later, when the PCI card drivers came out.  I 
> hope this is not the case and that instead I am doing 
> something stupidly wrong.  Conversely, must I do a MAKEDEV?  
> (which I have already tried to no success, because the code 
> doesn't have any references to oltr in it)  or even a mknod ? 
>  If so, could someone provide me with the parameters for it ?
> 
> I appreciate y'all (as they say down here in Texas) shedding 
> some light on this for me.  Thanks !
> 
> Lawrence Kreitzer
> 
> 
> 
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Dear all,

We cannot buy any the laterest offical FreeBSD CD in Hong Kong anymore!=
!
It seems that have a problem between supplier and local dealer.

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On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 07:11:49PM +0100, Jonas 'jetthe' Tull wrote:

> 1.
> when trying to start X. (which earlier worked just fine)
> I keep getting this error-report:
> 
> "xf86OpenConsole: KDENABIO failed (Operation not permitted)"
> 
> and that it hits me right back to the cli...

It happens, that X starts on FreeBSD only in -1 securelevel

sysctl kern.securelevel

Simas Cepaitis
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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Mon Nov 27 10:21: 6 2000
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wulfie wrote:
> 
> I don't know what the list moderator's policy is on spam - I'm seeing
> plenty of it on this list. However, here's mine - I'm unsubscribing.

it's easy - the standard policy for the FreeBSD lists is that spam is
not allowed.

Of course, people still post to it, mostly because they allow people not
on the list to post.  I can't say I agree with that, but it's not my
list.  Unless they started filtering all list mail through something
like the RBL, implementing an anti-spam policy is not going to cut down
on the amount of spam.

As for the purpose of the list, it's intended for newbies to discuss
getting used to FreeBSD.  Sounds simple enough to me.  If you have
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> wulfie wrote:
> > 
> > I don't know what the list moderator's policy is on spam - 
> I'm seeing
> > plenty of it on this list. However, here's mine - I'm unsubscribing.
> 
> it's easy - the standard policy for the FreeBSD lists is that spam is
> not allowed.
> 
> Of course, people still post to it, mostly because they allow 
> people not
> on the list to post.  
Do they really? I'd bet my Fbsd box for this message not getting through to
-newbies..


> I can't say I agree with that, but it's not my
> list.  Unless they started filtering all list mail through something
> like the RBL, implementing an anti-spam policy is not going 
> to cut down
> on the amount of spam.
freebsd lists have a pretty good spam filtering - maybe even too good:
In Finland, (6 months ago) I wasn't able to send mail to freebsd lists
directly
from my home box, because of Dynamic IP address: freebsd lists deny many of
them..

Today I can't send mail to freebsd lists, because they have plain stupid
M$Exchange server here, 
and whenever I try to send mail via it, I get response "sender not
recognized in recipients address" or something like that. 

Of course, every once in a while a spam message gets through, but personally
I think it could 
be a LOT worse.


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ok.. I don't like to respond to my own messages, but I was truly amazed that
the message got through..
luckily no one had time to take that bet ;)

> > wulfie wrote:
> > > 
> > > I don't know what the list moderator's policy is on spam - 
> > I'm seeing
> > > plenty of it on this list. However, here's mine - I'm 
> unsubscribing.
> > 
> > it's easy - the standard policy for the FreeBSD lists is 
> that spam is
> > not allowed.
> > 
> > Of course, people still post to it, mostly because they allow 
> > people not
> > on the list to post.  
> Do they really? I'd bet my Fbsd box for this message not 
> getting through to
> -newbies..
> 
> 
> > I can't say I agree with that, but it's not my
> > list.  Unless they started filtering all list mail through something
> > like the RBL, implementing an anti-spam policy is not going 
> > to cut down
> > on the amount of spam.
> freebsd lists have a pretty good spam filtering - maybe even too good:
> In Finland, (6 months ago) I wasn't able to send mail to freebsd lists
> directly
> from my home box, because of Dynamic IP address: freebsd 
> lists deny many of
> them..
> 
> Today I can't send mail to freebsd lists, because they have 
> plain stupid
> M$Exchange server here, 
> and whenever I try to send mail via it, I get response "sender not
> recognized in recipients address" or something like that. 
> 
> Of course, every once in a while a spam message gets through, 
> but personally
> I think it could 
> be a LOT worse.
> 
> 
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Jukka, 

> > Of course, people still post to it, mostly because they allow 
> > people not
> > on the list to post.  
> Do they really? I'd bet my Fbsd box for this message not getting through to
> -newbies..

Got it. BUT, its not only wild MS stuff that is a problem, also
wild cowboys like the ORBS team etc...www.orbs.org , to give an example.

H.



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 Hi!
 I have faced following problem:
 I've installed FreeBSD 4.1.1 on WD drive with LBA mode on. 
 Everything works fine, except that on the very first boot stage (BMX
loader)
 the system works VERY SLOW (it takes about several minutes to get to the
kernel 
 loading stage), and the drive makes some snaping sounds like if the drive
head 
 hits   somethig. But after the kernel starts loading - everythig works
fine. 
 After trying different choises of disk geometry in BIOS setup 
 (actually 3 - LBA, NORMAL and LARGE) I found out that the problem vanishes
when setting LARGE mode.
 I can't use this mode permanently , cause I have several more OSes on this
drive and they won't boot 
 in any mode except LBA.
 In the logs I see that the FreeBSD system thinks that the drive C/H/S
 "signature" is NORMAL, no matter what i set up in BIOS.
 
 Can anyone give me some direction to work in?
 Thanx in advance

PS: sorry for my bad english.


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i keep trying to download thing on disk but it is now saying that the disks 
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Dear All,
Can anybody tell what are the strengths of FreeBsd over linux?


Best Regards,
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Hi all,

I CVSuped, and followed the instructions in the handbook to the letter.
Now im in single user mode, and get the following error while doing
make -j4 installworld  (i added the -j4 because that is how i did
buildworld, and the handbook says that make needs all the same parameters)

output:

install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 sh /bin
Could not execute shell

***Error code 1
 1 error

***Error code 2
 1 error

The last part (about error code 2) is repeated 4 more times.

What could be causing this error and what can i do to fix it?

thanks
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> i keep trying to download thing on disk but it is now saying that the disks 
> need to be formated no matter which one i put in.  Can you help?

	Please ask questions on -questions. Not -newbies. You may also
want to check http://www.freebsd.org/handbook and read the installation
section, specifically the part refering to fdimage.exe


					Rick

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> Dear All,
> Can anybody tell what are the strengths of FreeBsd over linux?

	You'd be better off asking this on -questions or searching the
mailing list archives at
http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html#mailinglists This question has
been answered to death there. :)


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I'm sure it's been mentioned before, but for those who don't read /.,
this may provide you with some entertainment:

http://www.ericharshbarger.org/lego/daemon.html
 
Anyone feeling creative?

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dude, Rick is going to be really pissed about this question! Better ask
this on freebsd-questions!!

mike


ALAOUI EL HASSANI ALI wrote:

> Dear All,
> Can anybody tell what are the strengths of FreeBsd over linux?
>
> Best Regards,
> Ali
>
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dude, Rick is going to be pissed about this question! Better ask it on
freebsd-questions!

mike



Administrator wrote:

>  Hi!
>  I have faced following problem:
>  I've installed FreeBSD 4.1.1 on WD drive with LBA mode on.
>  Everything works fine, except that on the very first boot stage (BMX
> loader)
>  the system works VERY SLOW (it takes about several minutes to get to the
> kernel
>  loading stage), and the drive makes some snaping sounds like if the drive
> head
>  hits   somethig. But after the kernel starts loading - everythig works
> fine.
>  After trying different choises of disk geometry in BIOS setup
>  (actually 3 - LBA, NORMAL and LARGE) I found out that the problem vanishes
> when setting LARGE mode.
>  I can't use this mode permanently , cause I have several more OSes on this
> drive and they won't boot
>  in any mode except LBA.
>  In the logs I see that the FreeBSD system thinks that the drive C/H/S
>  "signature" is NORMAL, no matter what i set up in BIOS.
>
>  Can anyone give me some direction to work in?
>  Thanx in advance
>
> PS: sorry for my bad english.
>
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Mike,

It's nice of you to make the effort to direct those
asking questions of a technical nature to -questions.

However, telling people that Rick is going to be
really pissed is simply untrue.  Rick would do as
he's always done and politely suggest they ask
technical questions in -questions.

If you'd like to continue to help, I'd suggest the
following format for future responses:

------CUT-----------------

(name),



Please send technical questions such as this to 
FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org.

FreeBSD-Newbies is a discussion forum for newbies.
We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions here.

Also, these links may be of assistance:

http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/

http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html

 <http://www.jukkis.net>

http://bsdquickstart.freeservers.com/

http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd/


Thanks

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mh wrote:

> dude, Rick is going to be really pissed about this question! Better ask
> this on freebsd-questions!!
> 
> mike
> 
> 
> ALAOUI EL HASSANI ALI wrote:
> 
>> Dear All,
>> Can anybody tell what are the strengths of FreeBsd over linux?
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> Ali
>> 
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<html><head></head><body>Mike,<br>
<br>
It's nice of you to make the effort to direct those<br>
asking questions of a technical nature to -questions.<br>
<br>
However, telling people that Rick is going to be<br>
really pissed is simply untrue.&nbsp; Rick would do as<br>
he's always done and politely suggest they ask<br>
technical questions in -questions.<br>
<br>
If you'd like to continue to help, I'd suggest the<br>
following format for future responses:<br>
<br>
------CUT-----------------<br>
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(name),<pre wrap=""><br><br>Please send technical questions such as this to <br><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org">FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org</a>.<br><br>FreeBSD-Newbies is a discussion forum for newbies.<br>We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions here.<br><br>Also, these links may be of assistance:<br><br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/">http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/</a><br><br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html">http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html</a><br><br><pre wrap=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.jukkis.net"></a></pre><pre><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://bsdquickstart.freeservers.com/">http://bsdquickstart.freeservers.com/</a></pre><br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd/">http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd/</a><br><br><br>Thanks<br><br>----------CUT--------------<br></pre>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:3A259495.E69A545D@canada.com"><pre wrap="">dude, Rick is going to be really pissed about this question! Better ask<br>this on freebsd-questions!!<br><br>mike<br><br><br>ALAOUI EL HASSANI ALI wrote:<br><br></pre>
  <blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">Dear All,<br>Can anybody tell what are the strengths of FreeBsd over linux?<br><br>Best Regards,<br>Ali<br><br>To Unsubscribe: send mail to <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:majordomo@FreeBSD.org">majordomo@FreeBSD.org</a><br>with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message<br></pre></blockquote>
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just a warped sense of humor. thought it would be taken as such.

Joe Warner wrote:

> Mike,
>
> It's nice of you to make the effort to direct those
> asking questions of a technical nature to -questions.
>
> However, telling people that Rick is going to be
> really pissed is simply untrue.  Rick would do as
> he's always done and politely suggest they ask
> technical questions in -questions.
>
> If you'd like to continue to help, I'd suggest the
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> ------CUT-----------------
>
> (name),
>
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> FreeBSD-Newbies is a discussion forum for newbies.
> We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions here.
>
> Also, these links may be of assistance:
>
> http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html
>
>
> http://bsdquickstart.freeservers.com/
>
> http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd/
>
>
> Thanks
>
> ----------CUT--------------
>
> mh wrote:
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>> dude, Rick is going to be really pissed about this question! Better
>> ask
>> this on freebsd-questions!!
>>
>> mike
>>
>>
>> ALAOUI EL HASSANI ALI wrote:
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Hi!

How can I install FreeBSD in my computer if I have a 
dial-up connect with Internet?
Is it possible?

Eduard.


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Yep, but its a little more difficult than the other options. It is the
slowest, since a FreeBSD install varies in size (ie, do you want X?). I'd
recommend buying/burning the CDs, either from WC CDROM or another group
(e.g., cheapbytes, linuxmall). If you really want to use the modem, check
out the handbook (freebsd.org/handbook), The Complete FreeBSD, or the
Comprehensive Guide to FreeBSD (http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/). You
might be able to find a few tutorials to boot (I haven't checked, but
this may be useful: http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/).

regards,
Ben

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> Hi!
> 
> How can I install FreeBSD in my computer if I have a 
> dial-up connect with Internet?
> Is it possible?
> 
> Eduard.
> 
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easy ...... just a matter of making the 2 boot floppies & installing via ftp
(hopefully you have a permanent connection because it takes a while !!!!)
For more info   read the handbook (available online at freebsd.org) ... if
thats too complicated for you let me know & I'll give you the url for a REAL
simple tutorial I wrote a while back :)

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> Hi!
>
> How can I install FreeBSD in my computer if I have a
> dial-up connect with Internet?
> Is it possible?
>
> Eduard.
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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Fri Dec  1  7:28:18 2000
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People consistently send questions to this list, and
are consistenly advised to send them to -questions.
I've taken those comments to heart and sent several of
my questions to -questions. But what do I do if they
don't get answered? 

There is an implied comment/concern here; in
discussion, I've heard the criticism that FreeBSD
can't hold up against any commercial OS because you
can't get support for it. There are a lot of resources
out there, both people and information, but
nonetheless, I can't seem to get the support I'm
looking for. 

What recourse do I have, other than resend the
questions until they do get answered?
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my feelings exactly. you are not alone there.
beware however, freebsd community is very confident that every question ever
asked in -questions is answered.
(yeah, sure.)
Don't start flame wars about it, no-one will listen. Been there, done that.

Oh, and if you people want to start (yet another) war, please leave me out
of CC :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Erlin [mailto:tperlin@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 4:28 PM
> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org
> Subject: and if -questions doesn't work?
> 
> 
> People consistently send questions to this list, and
> are consistenly advised to send them to -questions.
> I've taken those comments to heart and sent several of
> my questions to -questions. But what do I do if they
> don't get answered? 
> 
> There is an implied comment/concern here; in
> discussion, I've heard the criticism that FreeBSD
> can't hold up against any commercial OS because you
> can't get support for it. There are a lot of resources
> out there, both people and information, but
> nonetheless, I can't seem to get the support I'm
> looking for. 
> 
> What recourse do I have, other than resend the
> questions until they do get answered?
> --Tim
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> People consistently send questions to this list, and
> are consistenly advised to send them to -questions.
> I've taken those comments to heart and sent several of
> my questions to -questions. But what do I do if they
> don't get answered? 

	Well, 90% of the time when I don't get an answer to my questions
it's because I asked it without doing much research. These days I mostly
try to ask "Where can I find some more info on ....." and I'll get two or
three good pointers. After a bit of research, I'm usually ready to come
back and ask a more pointed question.
	Of the other 10% of questions, it's usually because I'm asking
about some program that no one really uses, or it's been answered to death
on both the list (mail archives!) and in the handbook.

						Rick

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That's a fair response, but doesn't do much for
FreeBSD advocacy. I can't help but think that
marketshare (read Micro$oft) is obtained by making it
easy to find help; configuration for the lazy, if you
will. Maybe I misread the goals of the community.

I can't choose a side here; I respect an OS or
application that requires you to learn it, to
understand how it works before you can run it
effectively, but that requirement seems to relegate
FreeBSD to a hobby until I become an expert...and
since it's a hobby, that may never happen. 

--Tim
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--- Rick Hamell <hamellr@heorot.1nova.com> wrote:
> 
> > People consistently send questions to this list,
> and
> > are consistenly advised to send them to
> -questions.
> > I've taken those comments to heart and sent
> several of
> > my questions to -questions. But what do I do if
> they
> > don't get answered? 
> 
> 	Well, 90% of the time when I don't get an answer to
> my questions
> it's because I asked it without doing much research.
> These days I mostly
> try to ask "Where can I find some more info on
> ....." and I'll get two or
> three good pointers. After a bit of research, I'm
> usually ready to come
> back and ask a more pointed question.
> 	Of the other 10% of questions, it's usually because
> I'm asking
> about some program that no one really uses, or it's
> been answered to death
> on both the list (mail archives!) and in the
> handbook.
> 
> 						Rick
> 
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> That's a fair response, but doesn't do much for
> FreeBSD advocacy. I can't help but think that
> marketshare (read Micro$oft) is obtained by making it
> easy to find help; configuration for the lazy, if you
> will. Maybe I misread the goals of the community.

	Agreed, the problem that many people don't realize is that FreeBSD
is just now becoming main-stream enough that it NEEDS the documentation to
go along with it. Unluckily, the core team and committers don't have the
time to write documentation, leaving it instead to the user-land people to
do. We as newbies can contribute heavily in this area for other
newbies. My attempts at http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd have been a
cumilation of hand written notes and such that I've made over the last 4
years. This is the exact place Linux was 1.5-2 years ago, which is where
FreeBSD has always been in the "acceptance curve."

> I can't choose a side here; I respect an OS or
> application that requires you to learn it, to
> understand how it works before you can run it
> effectively, but that requirement seems to relegate
> FreeBSD to a hobby until I become an expert...and
> since it's a hobby, that may never happen. 

	It merely happens more slowly... I've had my domain name up and
running for 6 months now, and I'm trying to branch out to hosting other
domains for friends and such just to get the experience... it's been a
long road, but I've helped others get FreeBSD installed. Written small
tidbits of documentation, etc... :) Hopefully some day I'll be able to
contribute even more. :)

				Rick

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Check out this story, titled "Searching The Skies"
at the bottom of the page:

<http://www.informationweek.com/814/frontend.htm>

Since this is taking place at Berkeley, I wonder
what "PCs" Mr. Loen is referring to and which
OS their running on.?

Cheers

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The Setiathome is running only on M$ machines.  There is no Apple or Linux or FreeBSD version of the program.  Do a search on Yahoo for "Setiathome" there are some interesting links.

Charles

Check out this story, titled "Searching The Skies"
at the bottom of the page:

<http://www.informationweek.com/814/frontend.htm>

Since this is taking place at Berkeley, I wonder
what "PCs" Mr. Loen is referring to and which
OS their running on.?

Cheers

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Interesting...

Also, my apologies for my previous
failure at spelling..."their" should have
been "they're".

Joe





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The Setiathome is running only on M$ machines.  There is no Apple or Linux
or FreeBSD version of the program.  Do a search on Yahoo for "Setiathome"
there are some interesting links.

Charles

Check out this story, titled "Searching The Skies"
at the bottom of the page:

<http://www.informationweek.com/814/frontend.htm>

Since this is taking place at Berkeley, I wonder
what "PCs" Mr. Loen is referring to and which
OS their running on.?

Cheers

Joe
















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Yes, the clients for Linux, FreeBSD, etc can be found at
http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/download.html

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> The Setiathome is running only on M$ machines.  There is no Apple or Linux
or FreeBSD version of the program.  Do a search on Yahoo for "Setiathome"
there are some interesting links.
>
> Charles
>
> Check out this story, titled "Searching The Skies"
> at the bottom of the page:
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> <http://www.informationweek.com/814/frontend.htm>
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> Since this is taking place at Berkeley, I wonder
> what "PCs" Mr. Loen is referring to and which
> OS their running on.?
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> Cheers
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> Joe
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On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 07:28:04AM -0800, Tim Erlin wrote:
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                         FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit
                                       
   (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list.
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   FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about
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   are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions.
   
   FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to
   questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies.
   
   FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and
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When something doesn't work the way you expect

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    2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at
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   FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as
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   Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing
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   Other mailing lists
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   FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional
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   Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is
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Other resources

   A resource list is available at
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But I have seen people asking questions here!

   It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a
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   The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It
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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Kathy Quinlan wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> for those of you who hate dalnet due to poor services their is a new network
> up :o)
> 
> irctgnet and has a #freebsd support room :o) all the servers are freebsd :o)
> 
> the two server addys are :
> 
> ns.irctgnet.com
> spokane.irctgnet.com
> 
> Kathy (aka PinkyDwaggy)
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