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Subject: Making XFree86-4 the default
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Hi,
What do you guys think about making XFree86-4-* the default now? With
the split-up XFree86-4 ports and the xtt-* servers (which are
basically 3.3.6 servers plus TrueType patches), I think everyone can
have a reasonable system.
Those who don't want XFree86-4 can still set XFREE86_VERSION=3 in
their /etc/make.conf, but I will be generating packages with XF8V set
to 4 and also the package build logs will be showing up for 4 only.
There are still many ports that have problems with XFree86-4 (most
notable the HTML manpage stuff) but we have 2 months to fix those
before the next release.
This will enable us to turn X into a true dependency, instead of a
pseudo-dependency that we all came to hate (especially Jordan and I).
It will also allow us to support alpha better and have a faster
turnaround time for bug/security fixes.
Here is a short todo list.
(1) Add a meta-port so people can install "everything". Maybe some
extra meta-ports that don't depend on the less popular font files
or weird servers (Xprt, etc.) will also make it easier.
(2) Fix sysinstall menus to point to these instead of 3.3.6 ones.
Comments and additions welcome.
Satoshi
P.S. It seems open-motif is also ready for prime time....
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On Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 06:43:42AM -0700, Satoshi Asami wrote:
> What do you guys think about making XFree86-4-* the default now? With
> the split-up XFree86-4 ports and the xtt-* servers (which are
> basically 3.3.6 servers plus TrueType patches), I think everyone can
> have a reasonable system.
I am still running XFree86 3.3.6 because things like Utah-GLX don't work
with 4.0.x, and 4.x still has a lot of GL issues. :-(
Unless someone here has gone and made a hack to get around the fact that
XFree86-4 improperly installs GL includes and libraries (it doesn't
install all of them for some reason).
> Those who don't want XFree86-4 can still set XFREE86_VERSION=3 in
> their /etc/make.conf, but I will be generating packages with XF8V set
> to 4 and also the package build logs will be showing up for 4 only.
I guess that is okay.
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On Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 06:43:42AM -0700, Satoshi Asami wrote:
# Hi,
#
# What do you guys think about making XFree86-4-* the default now? With
# the split-up XFree86-4 ports and the xtt-* servers (which are
# basically 3.3.6 servers plus TrueType patches), I think everyone can
# have a reasonable system.
The only concern that I would have is about all the complaints
about 4.x not supporting enough video cards besides being generally
buggy.
-steve
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On Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 06:43:42AM -0700, Satoshi Asami wrote:
> What do you guys think about making XFree86-4-* the default now? With
> the split-up XFree86-4 ports and the xtt-* servers (which are
> basically 3.3.6 servers plus TrueType patches), I think everyone can
> have a reasonable system.
AFAIK they still havent added the setuid wrapper which may protect from
any other buffer overflows in the server binary. They also havent added
back PAM support which is in 3.x.
> There are still many ports that have problems with XFree86-4 (most
> notable the HTML manpage stuff) but we have 2 months to fix those
> before the next release.
Actually we are talking about doing a net-only 4.1.5 release in a few
weeks to make use of the fact that SSH now works properly by default.
Maybe we should wait for now..
Kris
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On Saturday, 9 September 2000 at 6:43:42 -0700, Satoshi Asami wrote:
> Hi,
>
> What do you guys think about making XFree86-4-* the default now? With
> the split-up XFree86-4 ports and the xtt-* servers (which are
> basically 3.3.6 servers plus TrueType patches), I think everyone can
> have a reasonable system.
>
> Those who don't want XFree86-4 can still set XFREE86_VERSION=3 in
> their /etc/make.conf, but I will be generating packages with XF8V set
> to 4 and also the package build logs will be showing up for 4 only.
>
> There are still many ports that have problems with XFree86-4 (most
> notable the HTML manpage stuff) but we have 2 months to fix those
> before the next release.
I'd definitely like to see this. I'm in the process of writing the
fourth edition of "The Complete FreeBSD", and it's a sensible time to
describe 4 instead of 3.
I can't address the bugginess issues, except to say that they don't
seem to be biting me.
Greg
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On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Greg Lehey wrote:
> On Saturday, 9 September 2000 at 6:43:42 -0700, Satoshi Asami wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > What do you guys think about making XFree86-4-* the default now? With
> > the split-up XFree86-4 ports and the xtt-* servers (which are
> > basically 3.3.6 servers plus TrueType patches), I think everyone can
> > have a reasonable system.
> >
> > Those who don't want XFree86-4 can still set XFREE86_VERSION=3 in
> > their /etc/make.conf, but I will be generating packages with XF8V set
> > to 4 and also the package build logs will be showing up for 4 only.
> >
> > There are still many ports that have problems with XFree86-4 (most
> > notable the HTML manpage stuff) but we have 2 months to fix those
> > before the next release.
>
> I'd definitely like to see this. I'm in the process of writing the
> fourth edition of "The Complete FreeBSD", and it's a sensible time to
> describe 4 instead of 3.
>
> I can't address the bugginess issues, except to say that they don't
> seem to be biting me.
Ditto here too ... I'm using 4 on all my machines, and other then problems
before moving to 4.0.1, I've had nothing attack me yet ...
Just curious though ... someone brought up a problem where 4.x doesn't
support all the cards that 3.x does/did. Any way of using something like
Superprobe to determine which one to install? Basically, make a special
port for a standalone SuperProbe, and maintain in it a list of what 4.x
supports and if the persons video card isn't supported, default to
3.x. From looking at SuperProbe, it has no X dependencies:
hub# ldd SuperProbe
SuperProbe:
libc.so.4 => /usr/lib/libc.so.4 (0x48076000)
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