From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jul 16 9:32:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from astart2.astart.com (astart2.astart.com [206.71.174.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2AE37C369 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 09:32:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from papowell@astart.com) Received: from h4.private (papowell@h4.private [10.0.0.4]) by astart2.astart.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA40205; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 09:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from papowell@localhost) by h4.private (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15582; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 09:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 09:32:34 -0700 (PDT) From: papowell@astart.com Message-Id: <200007161632.JAA15582@h4.private> To: aedmonds@digitalconvergence.com, albert@achtung.com Subject: Re: Any new PicoBSD's based on 4.0?? Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have been lurking in the background for a bit. I have some suggestions for interested folks. Project: Convert all of the existing 'standard' items to Makefile versions. This will get rid of the script stuff. Project: Add a project.conf or some other file at the project level, and put necessary configuration information into this file, AND PASS ITS LOCATION IN THE MAKEFILE PARAMETERS. Also, be brave: put the various configuration files in the top level as well Example: /usr/.../picobsd/myproject/Makefile project.conf crunch.conf Contents of project.conf: MFS=3500 .... In the top level Makefile you can do: PROJECT?=${.CURDIR}/project.conf CRUNCH?=${.CURDIR}/crunch.conf CONFIG?=${.CURDIR}/PICOBSD-C ... make PROJECT=${PROJECT} CRUNCH=${CRUNCH} CONFIG=${.CWD} Now, you might wonder why this stuff - so you can have different projects use the same directory and have different versions for testing, etc. > I've been playing with it. I need to send-pr in some changes > for 4.0. I'll do it tomorrow. I did manage to get dhclient in > there, but it wasn't easy. I have a kludge in mfs.rc to move > the dhclient-script file into /sbin and chmod +x it. Ugly. > > I'm still learning the picobsd build process.... > > Cheers, Have you ever considered putting in a symbolic link to the file? Much easier. Patrick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jul 16 9:53:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from astart2.astart.com (astart2.astart.com [206.71.174.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE4837B5BD for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 09:53:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from papowell@astart.com) Received: from h4.private (papowell@h4.private [10.0.0.4]) by astart2.astart.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA40264; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 09:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from papowell@localhost) by h4.private (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15619; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 09:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 09:53:02 -0700 (PDT) From: papowell@astart.com Message-Id: <200007161653.JAA15619@h4.private> To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu, luigi@info.iet.unipi.it Subject: Re: Any new PicoBSD's based on 4.0?? Cc: albert@achtung.com, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > From owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 28 01:23:22 2000 > From: Luigi Rizzo > Subject: Re: Any new PicoBSD's based on 4.0?? > To: Doug White > Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:24:39 +0200 (CEST) > Cc: Albert Yang , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG > > > That was the problem I kept running into. I tried to hack them up to get > > working on 4.0 but had no success. 4.0 has massive kernel bloat. :( > > exactly - this is one (not the only) reason i still stick with 3.5 > on most of my systems. > > > > natd, ipfw, dhcp, and ssh? That would be perfect... > > > > ssh is gigantic. Good luck. > > i managed to put ssh/sshd/scp and all the above on a 3.5-based > picobsd floppy. The thing is, ssh/sshd/scp (both the one in ports and the > openbsd version) are not crunchgen-friendly. They have a lot of > common objects which are not in a library, and reference symbols > with the same name and different implementations in the other > files. Plus if you put them in a library there are clashes with > names in other libraries... > > cheers > luigi > -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- > Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione > http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa > TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) > Mobile +39-347-0373137 > -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- > I have been there before on this one. First, you copy the entire source tree for the items you want to modify, to a new location, just like you did before. Then you find the common object files and put them in a common directory, and build a library, just like you did before. Now you use 'nm' to extract the names of routines that are defined in the library. Now you know what is defined in this libary. You can do one of the following: a) generate a file that redefines the names of the variables or routines defined in the library file. Call it 'noclash.h' #define original original_noclash In each of the non-common files, put the following line at the start of the file: #include "noclash.h" Compile and Voila! You do not get any clashing symbols. b) Write a perl script that has: #/../perl -spi.bak s/\Woriginal\W/\Woriginal_noclash\W/; ... run this perl script on all of the .c files. Compile. You may have a couple of places where you have to hand repair. Do NOT do this. Modify the perl script instead. Patrick Patrick Powell Astart Technologies, papowell@astart.com 9475 Chesapeake Drive, Suite D, Network and System San Diego, CA 92123 Consulting 858-874-6543 FAX 858-279-8424 LPRng - Print Spooler (http://www.astart.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jul 16 10:39: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from dreamwvr.com (24.66.207.153.ab.wave.home.com [24.66.207.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C353737BD80 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:39:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com) Received: from tyr.dreamwvr.com (unknown [192.168.26.101]) by dreamwvr.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 73F9B3486; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:39:06 -0600 (MDT) From: dreamwvr To: Doug White , "laurens van alphen (craxx)" Subject: Re: Using a CD for firewalls Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:03:40 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0007161205331T.12447@tyr.dreamwvr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, > How about diskless? pxeldr works and if you have at least one Intel NIC pxeldr? can you point me to a url? seem to have missed that animal.. TIA > you have the necessary guts. Setting up netboot with PXE is super-easy > and you can use as big a MFS as you have RAM to store it. > > Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve > dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jul 17 4:36:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C7C537B52F for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 04:36:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13E9Bv-000PsM-00; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:36:07 +0200 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:36:07 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: Doug White , Albert Yang , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 5.0-CURRENT PicoBSD Message-ID: <20000717133607.A99126@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <200006280824.KAA39572@info.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200006280824.KAA39572@info.iet.unipi.it>; from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 10:24:39AM +0200 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed 2000-06-28 (10:24), Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > That was the problem I kept running into. I tried to hack them up to get > > working on 4.0 but had no success. 4.0 has massive kernel bloat. :( > > exactly - this is one (not the only) reason i still stick with 3.5 > on most of my systems. How big does your compressed kernel get to? I can only get my 5.x kernel.gz to 508k at the moment. Removing snapshots code may get me back another 10k or so. Removing PS/2 mouse gets me 15k or so. atapi-cd gives me about the same. loader uses 83k, but I haven't tried to remove anything there. > > > natd, ipfw, dhcp, and ssh? That would be perfect... > > > > ssh is gigantic. Good luck. > > i managed to put ssh/sshd/scp and all the above on a 3.5-based > picobsd floppy. The thing is, ssh/sshd/scp (both the one in ports and the > openbsd version) are not crunchgen-friendly. They have a lot of > common objects which are not in a library, and reference symbols > with the same name and different implementations in the other > files. Plus if you put them in a library there are clashes with > names in other libraries... I have this hack for ssh on 5.x. Put: /-- ssh_rsa_OBJS= rsa_eay.o rsa_intlstubs.o ssh_OBJPATHS+= /devel/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/libssh/libssh.a ssh_OBJPATHS+= ${ssh_rsa_OBJS} LCRYPTO= /usr/src/crypto/openssl/crypto rsa_eay.o: ${LCRYPTO}/rsa/rsa_eay.c ${CC} ${CFLAGS} -I${LCRYPTO} -DPIC -i $@ -c $< rsa_intlstubs.o: ${LCRYPTO}/rsa/rsa_intlstubs.c ${CC} ${CFLAGS} -I${LCRYPTO} -DPIC -i $@ -c $< ssh.lo: ${ssh_rsa_OBJS} \-- in crunch.inc, and crunchgen -h crunch.inc, and append ".include crunch.inc" onto the Makefile. Adding ssh makes fs.PICOBSD.gz grow from 496k to 737k! I use 'progs ssh' and 'libs -lssl -lcrypto -lrsaINTL'. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jul 17 10:15:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4905337BA13 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:15:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6HHDAX74858; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:13:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: dreamwvr Cc: "laurens van alphen (craxx)" , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Using a CD for firewalls In-Reply-To: <0007161205331T.12447@tyr.dreamwvr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, dreamwvr wrote: > Hi, > > How about diskless? pxeldr works and if you have at least one Intel NIC > pxeldr? > can you point me to a url? seem to have missed that animal.. sys/i386/boot/pxeboot It's relatively new .. it's a wrapped loader(8) that can grok the PXE environment and load the kernel and bits over NFS (or TFTP). Just specify the pxeboot binary as the tftp image to load in your DHCP server and set an appropriate root-path and you're in business. See pxeboot(8) for details. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jul 17 17: 7: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E3437B705 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:06:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21307; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:36:14 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:36:14 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: Luigi Rizzo , Doug White , Albert Yang , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 5.0-CURRENT PicoBSD Message-ID: <20000718093614.C17054@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200006280824.KAA39572@info.iet.unipi.it> <20000717133607.A99126@mithrandr.moria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <20000717133607.A99126@mithrandr.moria.org> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 17 July 2000 at 13:36:07 +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > On Wed 2000-06-28 (10:24), Luigi Rizzo wrote: >>> That was the problem I kept running into. I tried to hack them up to get >>> working on 4.0 but had no success. 4.0 has massive kernel bloat. :( >> >> exactly - this is one (not the only) reason i still stick with 3.5 >> on most of my systems. > > How big does your compressed kernel get to? I can only get my 5.x > kernel.gz to 508k at the moment. Removing snapshots code may get me > back another 10k or so. Removing PS/2 mouse gets me 15k or so. > atapi-cd gives me about the same. > > loader uses 83k, but I haven't tried to remove anything there. It might be interesting to try to do without loader. The loader people don't like the idea, but it should be possible to boot a kernel directly from boot. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jul 17 21:31:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from dcarroll.texas.rr.com (megadon.star-c.com [24.93.60.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164E937B7C0 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:31:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcarroll@austin.rr.com) Received: from austin.rr.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dcarroll.texas.rr.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DB418E75 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:13:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <39735AE0.EBDE166A@austin.rr.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:13:36 -0500 From: Don Carroll Reply-To: dcarroll@infolutionstech.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-15mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Real Time FreeBSD ?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG does it exist? if so where ? thanks please reply to dcarroll@infolutionstech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jul 17 21:31:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from dcarroll.texas.rr.com (megadon.star-c.com [24.93.60.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1621A37B6B3 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:31:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcarroll@austin.rr.com) Received: from austin.rr.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dcarroll.texas.rr.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC42618E74 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:58:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <39735759.AB9B93DF@austin.rr.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:58:33 -0500 From: Don Carroll Reply-To: dcarroll@austin.rr.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-15mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Real Time FreeBSD ?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG does it exist? if so where ? thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jul 17 22:31:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from wireless.net (wireless.net [207.137.156.159]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B1237B6B7 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:31:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbutter@wireless.net) Received: from db.wireless.net (db.wireless.net [209.75.70.101]) by wireless.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27763; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wireless.net (dbm.wireless.net [192.168.0.2]) by db.wireless.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32036; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:21:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbutter@wireless.net) Message-ID: <3973EA97.CBE574FA@wireless.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:26:47 -0700 From: Devin Butterfield X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dcarroll@infolutionstech.com Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Real Time FreeBSD ?? References: <39735AE0.EBDE166A@austin.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Don Carroll wrote: > > does it exist? > > if so where ? > > thanks > > please reply to dcarroll@infolutionstech.com > I too have been wondering this...but from all of my searching of the mail archives, etc., it doesn't look like there is much interest in RT stuff in the BSD camp. This is really sad because I need at least firm RT scheduling for a project I am working on and the only thing I have found in BSD is rtprio (uses nice), yet Linux offers a number of RT solutions. I'd hate to have to turn to Linux for this because I need the great TCP/IP stack in FreeBSD. Please guys, let me know if I missed any FreeBSD solutions for RT scheduling because I don't want to run Linux if I can help it. :) -- Regards, Devin. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 18 1: 1:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from sibptus.tomsk.ru (sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.111.92.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C8737BC49 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 01:01:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04105 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:01:08 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from sudakov) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:01:08 +0800 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Is PicoBSD really so bad? Message-ID: <20000718160108.G3185@sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello. In PicoBSD (networking version), when trying to run 'update', kget dumps core with the message about file system being full. Am I doing something wrong? Can this be fixed? I remember reading similar questions in the mailing list archives, but never did I see an answer. TIA. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/149@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 18 1:34:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1876837BB44; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 01:34:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from sheldonh@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA53065; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 01:34:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 01:34:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007180834.BAA53065@freefall.freebsd.org> To: sheldonh@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: kern/20001: PicoBSD kernels fail to compile Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Synopsis: PicoBSD kernels fail to compile Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-small Responsible-Changed-By: sheldonh Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Jul 18 01:33:52 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: Over to the PicoBSD maintainer. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20001 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 18 2:12:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from starbug.ugh.net.au (starbug.ugh.net.au [203.31.238.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94EF337B83A for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:12:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@ugh.net.au) Received: by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6A556A833; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:12:39 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FE15441; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:12:39 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:12:39 +1000 (EST) From: andrew@ugh.net.au To: Victor Sudakov Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is PicoBSD really so bad? In-Reply-To: <20000718160108.G3185@sibptus.tomsk.ru> Message-ID: X-WonK: *wibble* MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Victor Sudakov wrote: > In PicoBSD (networking version), when trying to run 'update', kget dumps > core with the message about file system being full. > > Am I doing something wrong? Can this be fixed? I remember reading Is it possible the FS really is full? Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 18 4:46:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from sibptus.tomsk.ru (sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.111.92.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C056437B652 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:46:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10521; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:45:45 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from sudakov) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:45:45 +0800 From: Victor Sudakov To: andrew@ugh.net.au Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is PicoBSD really so bad? Message-ID: <20000718194545.B10226@sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20000718160108.G3185@sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from andrew@ugh.net.au on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 07:12:39PM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 07:12:39PM +1000, andrew@ugh.net.au wrote: > > > > > In PicoBSD (networking version), when trying to run 'update', kget dumps > > core with the message about file system being full. > > > > Am I doing something wrong? Can this be fixed? I remember reading > > Is it possible the FS really is full? I did not add anything to the floppy, nor did I modify it in any way save the visual kernel config. If it is full, then it is shipped like this. I only copied the downloaded image to the floppy and booted from it. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/149@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 18 5: 3:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from starbug.ugh.net.au (starbug.ugh.net.au [203.31.238.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C4C137BD64 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:03:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@ugh.net.au) Received: by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 301ECA833; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:03:34 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E635441; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:03:34 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:03:34 +1000 (EST) From: andrew@ugh.net.au To: Victor Sudakov Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is PicoBSD really so bad? In-Reply-To: <20000718194545.B10226@sibptus.tomsk.ru> Message-ID: X-WonK: *wibble* MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Victor Sudakov wrote: > I did not add anything to the floppy, nor did I modify it in any way > save the visual kernel config. If it is full, then it is shipped like > this. I only copied the downloaded image to the floppy and booted from > it. kget is the tool used to save your kernel configuration to disk. You may need to build your own with less stuff in the kernel to start with...I havent used a recent picobsd disk though... Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 18 6:37:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from gta.com (gw.gta.com [199.120.225.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD6A937BDD3 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:37:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lab@gta.com) Received: from gta.com (GTA internal mail system) by gta.com id JAA11488; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007181344.JAA11488@gta.com> From: Larry Baird To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Cc: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: 5.0-CURRENT PicoBSD In-Reply-To: <20000718093614.C17054@wantadilla.lemis.com> Organization: Global Technology Associates, Inc. User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.5-STABLE (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It might be interesting to try to do without loader. The loader > people don't like the idea, but it should be possible to boot a kernel > directly from boot. FYI, I havn't tried under current, but under 3.5 I am running off of a floppy without the loader. I have been running this way for a while without any problems. Larry -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Larry Baird | http://www.gnatbox.com Global Technology Associates, Inc. | Orlando, FL Email: lab@gta.com | TEL 407-380-0220, FAX 407-380-6080 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 18 6:57:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E3337BDFF; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:57:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EXdg-000Cxw-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:42:24 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EXdg-000PAO-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:42:24 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:42:24 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: bonk1138@msn.com, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/20002: PicoBSD - Markup Tags within Title Tag Message-ID: <20000718144224.S4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20000718053524.5002E37B6B7@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000718053524.5002E37B6B7@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG bonk1138@msn.com wrote: >> Fix: > su-2.04# diff how2build.html how2build.html.new > 4c4 > < <center>PicoBSD Development Kit</center> > --- >> PicoBSD Development Kit In general, unified diffs are preferred ("diff -u"), but in this case it doesn't matter much. To the people on freebsd-small mailing list: may I commit this? The problem is that Netscape doesn't understand
tags within , so they appear literally in the title bar. Thanks, -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 18 7: 3:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from green.wl.vg (green.wl.vg [204.200.26.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9942737BDC7; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:03:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from patrick@freebsd.org) Received: from grape.wl.vg (grape [63.93.208.20]) by green.wl.vg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA63029; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:03:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from patrick@freebsd.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:03:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Patrick S. Gardella" <patrick@freebsd.org> X-Sender: patrick@grape.wl.vg To: Ben Smithurst <ben@freebsd.org> Cc: bonk1138@msn.com, freebsd-small@freebsd.org, freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/20002: PicoBSD - Markup Tags within Title Tag In-Reply-To: <20000718144224.S4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0007181001520.23557-100000@grape.wl.vg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Ben Smithurst wrote: > bonk1138@msn.com wrote: > > >> Fix: > > su-2.04# diff how2build.html how2build.html.new > > 4c4 > > < <title><center>PicoBSD Development Kit</center> > > --- > >> PicoBSD Development Kit > > In general, unified diffs are preferred ("diff -u"), but in this case it > doesn't matter much. > > To the people on freebsd-small mailing list: may I commit this? The > problem is that Netscape doesn't understand
tags within > , so they appear literally in the title bar. > I'd say, yes, commit it. I'm working (very slowly) on a re-write of the PicoBSD pages, but that may be a while (new job, new house, etc.) Patrick Gardella To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 18 7:46:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from sibptus.tomsk.ru (sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.111.92.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0166B37BE5D for <freebsd-small@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:46:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13148; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:45:50 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from sudakov) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:45:50 +0800 From: Victor Sudakov <sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru> To: Luigi Rizzo <luigi@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Is PicoBSD really so bad? Message-ID: <20000718224550.A13084@sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20000718194545.B10226@sibptus.tomsk.ru> <200007181431.QAA41176@info.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <200007181431.QAA41176@info.iet.unipi.it>; from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 04:31:13PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 04:31:13PM +0200, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > I did not add anything to the floppy, nor did I modify it in any way > > save the visual kernel config. If it is full, then it is shipped like > > this. I only copied the downloaded image to the floppy and booted from > > it. > > from where did you download the image ? http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/picobsd/pb_en-N.bin -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/149@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 18 7:50:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from sibptus.tomsk.ru (sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.111.92.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593E637BE6B for <freebsd-small@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:50:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13247; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:50:33 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from sudakov) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:50:33 +0800 From: Victor Sudakov <sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru> To: andrew@ugh.net.au Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is PicoBSD really so bad? Message-ID: <20000718225033.B13084@sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20000718194545.B10226@sibptus.tomsk.ru> <Pine.BSF.4.21.0007182159450.70185-100000@starbug.ugh.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0007182159450.70185-100000@starbug.ugh.net.au>; from andrew@ugh.net.au on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 10:03:34PM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 10:03:34PM +1000, andrew@ugh.net.au wrote: > > > > > I did not add anything to the floppy, nor did I modify it in any way > > save the visual kernel config. If it is full, then it is shipped like > > this. I only copied the downloaded image to the floppy and booted from > > it. > > kget is the tool used to save your kernel configuration to disk. You may > need to build your own with less stuff in the kernel to start with...I Well, I thought if an image is available for download, it should be a working one. > havent used a recent picobsd disk though... It would be a good idea to try :) -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/149@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 18 9:41:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E5A37BBE0 for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:41:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA41760; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:42:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo <luigi@info.iet.unipi.it> Message-Id: <200007181642.SAA41760@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Is PicoBSD really so bad? In-Reply-To: <20000718225033.B13084@sibptus.tomsk.ru> from Victor Sudakov at "Jul 18, 2000 10:50:33 pm" To: Victor Sudakov <sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:42:25 +0200 (CEST) Cc: andrew@ugh.net.au, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Well, I thought if an image is available for download, it should be a > working one. yeah, right... cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 18 12: 6:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF6037B8C4; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:06:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6IJ6Hf66773; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:06:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White <dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: bonk1138@msn.com, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/20002: PicoBSD - Markup Tags within Title Tag In-Reply-To: <20000718144224.S4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0007181205430.56499-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Ben Smithurst wrote: > bonk1138@msn.com wrote: > > >> Fix: > > su-2.04# diff how2build.html how2build.html.new > > 4c4 > > < <title><center>PicoBSD Development Kit</center> > > --- > >> PicoBSD Development Kit > > In general, unified diffs are preferred ("diff -u"), but in this case it > doesn't matter much. > > To the people on freebsd-small mailing list: may I commit this? The > problem is that Netscape doesn't understand
tags within > , so they appear literally in the title bar. This is only half the battle... you need to Peter-ify the config properly, e.g. create appropriate hints files in /boot and so forth. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 18 16:22: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.eznet.net (mail2-old.eznet.net [207.50.128.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1906437BC1A for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:21:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wbailer@eznet.net) Received: (qmail 12729 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2000 23:21:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO shell1.eznet.net) (207.50.128.10) by vmail.eznet.net with SMTP; 18 Jul 2000 23:21:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 5360 invoked by uid 15956); 18 Jul 2000 23:21:58 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 18 Jul 2000 23:21:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:21:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Bailer <wbailer@eznet.net> To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is PicoBSD really so bad? In-Reply-To: <20000718225033.B13084_sibptus.tomsk.ru@ns.sol.net> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0007181912280.5250-100000@shell1.eznet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 18 Jul 2000, Victor Sudakov wrote: >On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 10:03:34PM +1000, andrew@ugh.net.au wrote: >> >> >> >> > I did not add anything to the floppy, nor did I modify it in any way >> > save the visual kernel config. If it is full, then it is shipped like >> > this. I only copied the downloaded image to the floppy and booted from >> > it. >> >> kget is the tool used to save your kernel configuration to disk. You may >> need to build your own with less stuff in the kernel to start with...I > >Well, I thought if an image is available for download, it should be a >working one. > >> havent used a recent picobsd disk though... > >It would be a good idea to try :) > > >-- >Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN >2:5005/149@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ I have had exactly the same experience, with the same downloaded dial version disk image. This is my first experience in trying to run any form of bsd, and I don't know what files I can afford to delete or alter. Anything I have tried "breaks" it and I have to start over with a new disk image. The disk certainly is full, and the update utility does not work. There is no working space for the editor either. I can manually configure dialer and ppp access for each boot, but can't save the configuration. Can't download anything because of no space to put it. It's a can of sardines. Does anybody know how to trim the size of the whole thing down even a little bit, using only the floppy booted installaion itself to do so? Another question: Does PicoBSD (dial version) support: partition and format a hard drive, and then read and write to it (that is, if I can get the thing working)? Bill Bailer wbailer@eznet.net, Rochester NY USA, tel:716-473-9556 Acoustics, piano technology, music theory, JSBach To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 18 19:27:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from sibptus.tomsk.ru (sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.111.92.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6323E37B60B for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:27:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24407; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:26:54 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from sudakov) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:26:54 +0800 From: Victor Sudakov <sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru> To: Bill Bailer <wbailer@eznet.net> Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is PicoBSD really so bad? Message-ID: <20000719102653.B22328@sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20000718225033.B13084_sibptus.tomsk.ru@ns.sol.net> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0007181912280.5250-100000@shell1.eznet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0007181912280.5250-100000@shell1.eznet.net>; from wbailer@eznet.net on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 07:21:58PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 07:21:58PM -0400, Bill Bailer wrote: > [dd] > Another question: Does PicoBSD (dial version) support: partition and > format a hard drive, and then read and write to it (that is, if I can > get the thing working)? I would advise you to use the fixit floppy for this purpose. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/149@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 18 22:55: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mout0.freenet.de (mout0.freenet.de [194.97.50.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC4137BD2C for <freebsd-small@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:55:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rabat@web.de) Received: from [194.97.50.144] (helo=mx1.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13Emop-00080Y-00 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:54:55 +0200 Received: from ad34d.pppool.de ([213.6.211.77] helo=spotteswoode.de) by mx1.freenet.de with smtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13Emoo-000722-00 for freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:54:55 +0200 Received: (qmail 468 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jul 2000 05:54:53 -0000 From: "clemensF" <rabat@web.de> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:54:53 +0200 To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Cc: bonk1138@msn.com, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/20002: PicoBSD - Markup Tags within Title Tag Message-ID: <20000719075453.A413@spotteswoode.de> References: <20000718053524.5002E37B6B7@hub.freebsd.org> <20000718144224.S4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20000718144224.S4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 02:42:24PM +0100 Organization: private X-PGP-ID: 0xD4685B88-4894C483 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Ben Smithurst: > To the people on freebsd-small mailing list: may I commit this? The > problem is that Netscape doesn't understand <center> tags within > <title>, so they appear literally in the title bar. then please leave these tags out! clemens To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jul 19 7:39:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9EF37BFA3 for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:39:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA48398; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:40:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo <luigi@info.iet.unipi.it> Message-Id: <200007191440.QAA48398@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Is PicoBSD really so bad? In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0007181912280.5250-100000@shell1.eznet.net> from Bill Bailer at "Jul 18, 2000 07:21:58 pm" To: Bill Bailer <wbailer@eznet.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:40:51 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I have had exactly the same experience, with the same downloaded dial > version disk image. This is my first experience in trying to run any > form of bsd, and I don't know what files I can afford to delete or > alter. Anything I have tried "breaks" it and I have to start over with > a new disk image. The disk certainly is full, and the update utility > does not work. There is no working space for the editor either. I can > manually configure dialer and ppp access for each boot, but can't save > the configuration. Can't download anything because of no space to put > it. It's a can of sardines. can you try to get the image from http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ip_dummynet/ there is the bridge version but probably it is based on a more recent version of the code, and more aggressively packed so there are a few spare bits on the disk. update might even work. cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jul 19 16:42: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from po3.glue.umd.edu (po3.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11BAE37B816 for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:42:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bfoz@glue.umd.edu) Received: from glue.umd.edu (poseidon.student.umd.edu [129.2.228.43]) by po3.glue.umd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6JNfvY18262; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39763CC4.9AA3FC15@glue.umd.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:41:56 -0400 From: Brandon Fosdick <bfoz@glue.umd.edu> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Devin Butterfield <dbutter@wireless.net> Cc: dcarroll@infolutionstech.com, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Real Time FreeBSD ?? References: <39735AE0.EBDE166A@austin.rr.com> <3973EA97.CBE574FA@wireless.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Devin Butterfield wrote: > > Don Carroll wrote: > > > > does it exist? > > > > if so where ? > > > > thanks > > > > please reply to dcarroll@infolutionstech.com > > > > I too have been wondering this...but from all of my searching of the > mail archives, etc., it doesn't look like there is much interest in RT > stuff in the BSD camp. This is really sad because I need at least firm > RT scheduling for a project I am working on and the only thing I have > found in BSD is rtprio (uses nice), yet Linux offers a number of RT > solutions. I'd hate to have to turn to Linux for this because I need the > great TCP/IP stack in FreeBSD. > > Please guys, let me know if I missed any FreeBSD solutions for RT > scheduling because I don't want to run Linux if I can help it. :) > -- > Regards, Devin. I was looking for RT BSD too, but it doesn't seem to exist. Most of the RT Linux stuff I've seen is still very early in the devel phase, so I ended up with QNX (it was already installed on the system), but I hear Microware OS-9 is nice too. There's got to be a way to do RT with BSD. Maybe if we get enough people together we can get a project going? -Brandon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jul 19 16:55:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mimer.webgiro.com (mimer.webgiro.com [212.209.29.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9877937B824 for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:55:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by mimer.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 66) id 4FF7C2DC0B; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 02:00:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DFE847817; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 01:53:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB15610E17; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 01:53:56 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 01:53:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki <abial@webgiro.com> To: Brandon Fosdick <bfoz@glue.umd.edu> Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Real Time FreeBSD ?? In-Reply-To: <39763CC4.9AA3FC15@glue.umd.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.20.0007200149550.8223-100000@mx.webgiro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Brandon Fosdick wrote: > > Please guys, let me know if I missed any FreeBSD solutions for RT > > scheduling because I don't want to run Linux if I can help it. :) > > -- > > Regards, Devin. > > I was looking for RT BSD too, but it doesn't seem to exist. Most of the RT Linux > stuff I've seen is still very early in the devel phase, so I ended up with QNX > (it was already installed on the system), but I hear Microware OS-9 is nice too. > > There's got to be a way to do RT with BSD. Maybe if we get enough people > together we can get a project going? What kind of RT do you need? You are aware, I suppose, that general purpose *nix system (such as *BSD an Linux) will never be a real RT without major changes.... So, the only thing you can get from it is modified scheduler and interrupt handling, but this buys you oonly so called "soft-RT"... As I understand, that's what the RTLinux project is about. And no, there is nothing exactly like this for BSDs, although you can find a couple of diffrent variations for scheduling algorithms. Andrzej Bialecki // <abial@webgiro.com> WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jul 19 20: 8:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from dreamwvr.com (24.66.207.153.ab.wave.home.com [24.66.207.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F3C37BA56 for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 20:08:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com) Received: from tyr.dreamwvr.com (unknown [192.168.26.101]) by dreamwvr.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5115B3486 for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:08:49 -0600 (MDT) From: dreamwvr <dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com> To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Real Time FreeBSD ?? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:35:01 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <Pine.BSF.4.20.0007200149550.8223-100000@mx.webgiro.com> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.20.0007200149550.8223-100000@mx.webgiro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0007192135470K.23748@tyr.dreamwvr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi , you might want to chec kfor a thread on OBSD to do with a donation for RT// To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jul 19 20:31:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.networkiowa.com (ns1.networkiowa.com [209.234.64.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72A737B667 for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 20:31:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johnl@raccoon.com) Received: from raccoon.com (dsl.72.145.networkiowa.com [209.234.72.145]) by ns1.networkiowa.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16191; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:36:08 -0500 Message-ID: <39767284.3EA9B142@raccoon.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:31:16 -0500 From: John Lengeling <johnl@raccoon.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brandon Fosdick <bfoz@glue.umd.edu> Cc: Devin Butterfield <dbutter@wireless.net>, dcarroll@infolutionstech.com, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Real Time FreeBSD ?? References: <39735AE0.EBDE166A@austin.rr.com> <3973EA97.CBE574FA@wireless.net> <39763CC4.9AA3FC15@glue.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brandon Fosdick wrote: > > Devin Butterfield wrote: > > > > Don Carroll wrote: > > > > > > does it exist? > > > > > > if so where ? > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > please reply to dcarroll@infolutionstech.com > > > > > > > I too have been wondering this...but from all of my searching of the > > mail archives, etc., it doesn't look like there is much interest in RT > > stuff in the BSD camp. This is really sad because I need at least firm > > RT scheduling for a project I am working on and the only thing I have > > found in BSD is rtprio (uses nice), yet Linux offers a number of RT > > solutions. I'd hate to have to turn to Linux for this because I need the > > great TCP/IP stack in FreeBSD. Microware's SoftStax (OS-9's Protocol Stack) is based on the BSD protocol stack. They have free evals from their web site. www.microware.com johnl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jul 19 22:18:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from wireless.net (wireless.net [207.137.156.159]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B906437BB1A for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:18:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbutter@wireless.net) Received: from db.wireless.net (db.wireless.net [209.75.70.101]) by wireless.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04280; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wireless.net (dbm.wireless.net [192.168.0.2]) by db.wireless.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA35322; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:42:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbutter@wireless.net) Message-ID: <3976856E.C83121E2@wireless.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:51:58 -0700 From: Devin Butterfield <dbutter@wireless.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrzej Bialecki <abial@webgiro.com> Cc: Brandon Fosdick <bfoz@glue.umd.edu>, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Real Time FreeBSD ?? References: <Pine.BSF.4.20.0007200149550.8223-100000@mx.webgiro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > What kind of RT do you need? Just firm RT scheduling. >You are aware, I suppose, that general > purpose *nix system (such as *BSD an Linux) will never be a real RT > without major changes.... So, the only thing you can get from it is > modified scheduler and interrupt handling, but this buys you oonly so > called "soft-RT"... Yes, for hard realtime we should look at something like QNX. I am mainly interested in having the ability to give a specific process priority scheduling. Something like modified scheduler for Linux by MontaVista Software inc, which does "preemptive" realtime scheduling. You can check it out and download the source from: http://www.mvista.com/realtime/rtsched.html Something like this for FreeBSD would be great. >As I understand, that's what the RTLinux project is > about. And no, there is nothing exactly like this for BSDs, although you > can find a couple of diffrent variations for scheduling algorithms. Well, the RTLinux guys claim to support "Hard" realtime. Do you have any pointers to where to find these algorithms? -- Regards, Devin. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jul 19 22:18:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from wireless.net (wireless.net [207.137.156.159]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F3C37BAEF for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:18:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbutter@wireless.net) Received: from db.wireless.net (db.wireless.net [209.75.70.101]) by wireless.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04313; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wireless.net (dbm.wireless.net [192.168.0.2]) by db.wireless.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA35336; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:54:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbutter@wireless.net) Message-ID: <39768853.2EF320AA@wireless.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:04:19 -0700 From: Devin Butterfield <dbutter@wireless.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dreamwvr <dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com> Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Real Time FreeBSD ?? References: <Pine.BSF.4.20.0007200149550.8223-100000@mx.webgiro.com> <0007192135470K.23748@tyr.dreamwvr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG dreamwvr wrote: > > hi , > you might want to chec kfor a thread on OBSD to do with a donation > for RT// > Yes, this is very interesting. I had found this recently too, but I'm a little surprised that is seems like they're (the OpenBSD folks) not saying much about it and searching the OpenBSD archives yields only people asking about it...but no one seems to know. For those who aren't aware, RTMX (www.rtmx.com) had developed realtime extensions to OpenBSD for use in their realtime OS, and recently they apparently donated the code to the OpenBSD project. This seems like the most promising way to get realtime extensions into FreeBSD, but we would need to get our hands on the code first! Maybe we should find out if the OpenBSD guys would be willing to give us access to this code?? -- Regards, Devin. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jul 19 22:18:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from wireless.net (wireless.net [207.137.156.159]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB23E37BAF0 for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:18:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbutter@wireless.net) Received: from db.wireless.net (db.wireless.net [209.75.70.101]) by wireless.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04241; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wireless.net (dbm.wireless.net [192.168.0.2]) by db.wireless.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA35302; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:28:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbutter@wireless.net) Message-ID: <3976824B.D8422F5F@wireless.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:38:35 -0700 From: Devin Butterfield <dbutter@wireless.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brandon Fosdick <bfoz@glue.umd.edu> Cc: dcarroll@infolutionstech.com, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Real Time FreeBSD ?? References: <39735AE0.EBDE166A@austin.rr.com> <3973EA97.CBE574FA@wireless.net> <39763CC4.9AA3FC15@glue.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I was looking for RT BSD too, but it doesn't seem to exist. Most of the RT Linux > stuff I've seen is still very early in the devel phase, so I ended up with QNX > (it was already installed on the system), but I hear Microware OS-9 is nice too. > > There's got to be a way to do RT with BSD. Maybe if we get enough people > together we can get a project going? Yes this is not a bad idea. We definitely need to stir more interest in RT in the FreeBSD camp. We would probably need someone who is familiar with hacking the kernel...I for one am not. -- Regards, Devin. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jul 19 22:26: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from sibptus.tomsk.ru (sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.111.92.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA5537BAEF for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:25:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA67773; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:25:39 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from sudakov) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:25:39 +0800 From: Victor Sudakov <sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru> To: Luigi Rizzo <luigi@info.iet.unipi.it> Cc: Bill Bailer <wbailer@eznet.net>, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is PicoBSD really so bad? Message-ID: <20000720132539.A67690@sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0007181912280.5250-100000@shell1.eznet.net> <200007191440.QAA48398@info.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <200007191440.QAA48398@info.iet.unipi.it>; from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it on Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 04:40:51PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 04:40:51PM +0200, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > I have had exactly the same experience, with the same downloaded dial > > version disk image. This is my first experience in trying to run any > > form of bsd, and I don't know what files I can afford to delete or > > alter. Anything I have tried "breaks" it and I have to start over with > > a new disk image. The disk certainly is full, and the update utility > > does not work. There is no working space for the editor either. I can > > manually configure dialer and ppp access for each boot, but can't save > > the configuration. Can't download anything because of no space to put > > it. It's a can of sardines. > > can you try to get the image from http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ip_dummynet/ This one is certainly better. However, the update script does not work either. If the floppy is mounted, it complains about "mount failed, device busy". If the floppy is not mounted, it says "eof unexpected, expecting 'fi'". I have enough technical knowledge to mount the image via vnconfig and edit the configs manually, but a casual user will be very disappointed. Look at the competing projects like Freesco (http://www.freesco.net), that is what I call client satisfaction :). > > there is the bridge version but probably it is based on a more recent > version of the code, and more aggressively packed so there are a few > spare bits on the disk. update might even work. > > cheers > luigi > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/149@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jul 20 1:37: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from sibptus.tomsk.ru (sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.111.92.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C9B37C0A4 for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 01:36:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA71736 for freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:36:52 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from sudakov) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:36:52 +0800 From: Victor Sudakov <sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru> To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: pb_en-N.bin again Message-ID: <20000720163652.A71501@sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Colleagues. Some questions again. 1. Where does pb_en-N.bin keep its kernel config? Once I cannot run `update', I want to create a kernel config manually and place it somwhere to the boot image. However, I tried different locations for the kernel.conf file and it does not seem to pick it up when booting. Nor does it save it anywhere after `Q' in visual kernel config. 2. What could the message: Uncompressing kernel: warning, malloc wrapped mean? Search on www.freebsd.org for these words did not give any results. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/149@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jul 20 7:14:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com [24.2.8.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4967037BC19 for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:14:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shansen@earthlink.net) Received: from p2 ([24.9.137.53]) by mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000720141437.RVQO24297.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@p2> for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:14:37 -0700 From: "Skip Hansen" <shansen@earthlink.net> To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:16:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Real Time FreeBSD ?? Reply-To: shansen@earthlink.net Message-ID: <3976A75D.9935.2F629B@localhost> In-reply-to: <3976856E.C83121E2@wireless.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A good article from Linux Journal on real time Linux is: http://www2.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue72/3838.html From what I gather Linux is run as a task under a RT kernel. The changes to the actual Linux kernel were fairly minor. Perhaps that approach would be practical for BSD without massive amounts of Kernel hacking. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jul 20 7:57:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from dreamwvr.com (24.66.207.153.ab.wave.home.com [24.66.207.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF3937B54D for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:57:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com) Received: from tyr.dreamwvr.com (unknown [192.168.26.101]) by dreamwvr.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D4F13486; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:57:06 -0600 (MDT) From: dreamwvr <dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com> To: Devin Butterfield <dbutter@wireless.net> Subject: Re: Real Time FreeBSD ?? Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:21:51 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG References: <Pine.BSF.4.20.0007200149550.8223-100000@mx.webgiro.com> <0007192135470K.23748@tyr.dreamwvr.com> <39768853.2EF320AA@wireless.net> In-Reply-To: <39768853.2EF320AA@wireless.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0007200924070L.23748@tyr.dreamwvr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Devin, i really think FreeBSD has a excellent chance IMHO since for instance ports is often shared between distros.. but then again i am not in the decision loop there.. Might be a idea that's for sure:-)) > Yes, this is very interesting. I had found this recently too, but I'm a > little surprised that is seems like they're (the OpenBSD folks) not > saying much about it and searching the OpenBSD archives yields only > people asking about it...but no one seems to know. For those who aren't > aware, RTMX (www.rtmx.com) had developed realtime extensions to OpenBSD > for use in their realtime OS, and recently they apparently donated the > code to the OpenBSD project. > > This seems like the most promising way to get realtime extensions into > FreeBSD, but we would need to get our hands on the code first! Maybe we > should find out if the OpenBSD guys would be willing to give us access > to this code?? > -- > Regards, Devin. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jul 20 8:41:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from lepton.subatomix.com (okc-27-143-173.mmcable.com [24.27.143.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B402D37B821 for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:41:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jss@lepton.subatomix.com) Received: from localhost (jss@localhost) by lepton.subatomix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05519; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:41:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jss@lepton.subatomix.com) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:41:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeffrey S. Sharp" <jss@subatomix.com> To: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> Cc: Neil Blakey-Milner <nbm@mithrandr.moria.org>, Luigi Rizzo <luigi@info.iet.unipi.it>, Doug White <dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu>, Albert Yang <albert@achtung.com>, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 5.0-CURRENT PicoBSD In-Reply-To: <20000718093614.C17054@wantadilla.lemis.com> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0007201027460.5504-100000@lepton.subatomix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Greg Lehey wrote: > > It might be interesting to try to do without loader. The loader > people don't like the idea, but it should be possible to boot a kernel > directly from boot. Yes, that works. I've been doing without loader in several situations, and it works fine for simple booting (i.e., no loading of mfs_root images, etc.). The root device can be specified with the ROOTDEVNAME kernel option. =============================== Jeffrey S. Sharp (XorAxAx) jss@subatomix.com -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.12 GCS/IT/MU d-@ s-:+ a21 C++(++++) UBL+(+++$)> P L+(+++$)> E+> W++ N+(++) o? K? w++$> !O M(-) !V PS+ PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+ R(+) tv+ b+ DI++(+++) G++ e> h--- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jul 20 8:58:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mout1.freenet.de (mout1.freenet.de [194.97.50.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1EB737B51A for <freebsd-small@freebsd.org>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:58:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rabat@web.de) Received: from [194.97.50.138] (helo=mx0.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13FIiY-0000g4-00 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:58:34 +0200 Received: from a02e0.pppool.de ([213.6.2.224] helo=spotteswoode.de) by mx0.freenet.de with smtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13FIiY-0001UQ-00 for freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:58:34 +0200 Received: (qmail 3777 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jul 2000 15:58:32 -0000 From: "clemensF" <rabat@web.de> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:58:32 +0200 To: Victor Sudakov <sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru> Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pb_en-N.bin again Message-ID: <20000720175832.D3701@spotteswoode.de> References: <20000720163652.A71501@sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20000720163652.A71501@sibptus.tomsk.ru>; from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru on Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 04:36:52PM +0800 Organization: private X-PGP-ID: 0xD4685B88-4894C483 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Victor Sudakov: > Uncompressing kernel: warning, malloc wrapped an address wrap around on overflow? clemens To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jul 20 9:32: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.iadfw.net (mail3.iadfw.net [209.196.123.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E8C9037B946 for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:32:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karl@NeoSoft.com) Received: from NeoSoft.com from [209.44.243.145] by mail3.iadfw.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.4) with esmtp for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG> sender: <karl@NeoSoft.com> id <mS/13FJFI-0038CyS@mail3.iadfw.net>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:32:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <39771F49.527C9E12@NeoSoft.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:48:28 -0500 From: Karl Lehenbauer <karl@NeoSoft.com> Organization: procplace.com, inc. - tcl trainers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Real Time FreeBSD ?? References: <3976A75D.9935.2F629B@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There is *some* realtime stuff in FreeBSD. Check out rtprio(1) and rtprio(2). "A realtime process can only be preempted by a process of equal or higher priority, or by an interrupt." Also check out posix1b(9), which documents kernel options for posix priority scheduling. Also the asynchronous I/O operations aio_write(2), aio_read(2) and friends support posix prioritized I/O. There is a warning in one of the pages that FreeBSD can't guarantee it won't take a page fault on a realtime process. Also, system calls are not preemptable. -- Karl Lehenbauer employee #0 procplace.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jul 20 9:34: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from sibptus.tomsk.ru (sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.111.92.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59EB537B946 for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:34:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA74725; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:33:59 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from sudakov) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:33:58 +0800 From: Victor Sudakov <sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru> To: clemensF <rabat@web.de> Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pb_en-N.bin again Message-ID: <20000721003358.A74680@sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20000720163652.A71501@sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20000720175832.D3701@spotteswoode.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20000720175832.D3701@spotteswoode.de>; from rabat@web.de on Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 05:58:32PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 05:58:32PM +0200, clemensF wrote: > > > Uncompressing kernel: warning, malloc wrapped > > an address wrap around on overflow? Well, what should be done about it, if anything should be done? Can it be the cause of my troubles with PicoBSD? The box has 12M RAM. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/149@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jul 20 9:35:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 838E837B9C9 for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:35:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA98505; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:35:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA91228; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:35:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007201635.KAA91228@harmony.village.org> To: Karl Lehenbauer <karl@NeoSoft.com> Subject: Re: Real Time FreeBSD ?? Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:48:28 CDT." <39771F49.527C9E12@NeoSoft.com> References: <39771F49.527C9E12@NeoSoft.com> <3976A75D.9935.2F629B@localhost> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:35:35 -0600 From: Warner Losh <imp@village.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Also, many RT like things can be haneled in a simple device driver, usually with queueing. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jul 21 10:19: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from aurora.rg.iupui.edu (aurora.rg.iupui.edu [134.68.31.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0DD37B7E0 for <freebsd-small@freebsd.org>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:18:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gunther@aurora.rg.iupui.edu) Received: from aurora.rg.iupui.edu (schadow_g.regenstrief.iupui.edu [134.68.31.121]) by aurora.rg.iupui.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06741 for <freebsd-small@freebsd.org>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:18:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gunther@aurora.rg.iupui.edu) Message-ID: <397885FD.40281ADE@aurora.rg.iupui.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:18:53 -0400 From: Gunther Schadow <gunther@aurora.rg.iupui.edu> Organization: Regenstrief Institute for Health Care X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: are there any *inexpensive* SBC with just the right features? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------ADEC4B19C44D3E45116E99D4" Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------ADEC4B19C44D3E45116E99D4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, in my quest for SBCs for some PicoBSD setup, I ran into difficulties. Most of these devices are pretty expensive to start with, some aren't even particularly small, and most are mis-fitted in terms of features. For my purpose of course. What I would *like* to find is: - CPU i486 or i586 100 - 200 MHz is just fine - VGA is *not* required at all, instead I want - on board Ethernet 10/100 at least one interface, some would even need two - one or two SIO ports, one or two LPT ports. - CompactFlash ram (PCMCIA type is probably best at this time for it's easier to interoperate with.) - IDE disks are not needed (if CompactFlash works and can be booted from.) - really small form-factor - low power consumption - low heat production - simple power requirements (e.g., 12 V DC only) (so that it can be fit into a small box with a simple external AC adapter.) - low price <= $300 including i486 CPU, 32 MB RAM and 8 MB CompactFlash RAM. What do you think? Is this list flawed? Any chance to find something like it? My plan is to assemble some set of 20 or more of such boxes to deploy in an IPv6/IPsec networking project for gateways, printer drivers, and all kinds of stuff. Plug and play no maintenance. I imagine the following problems: - without VGA, debugging of system startup sequence will be a pain in the butt (nothing happens and you don't know why...) - the PCMCIA-based CF card is not the typical thing found on SBCs. Most have DiskOnChip kind of setup which is not too robustly supported by FreeBSD at this point. Furthermore DiskOnChip would raises a bootstrapping problem, i.e., how to get the first image onto the chip without one of those computers running already... - noone will put 2 Ethernet interfaces on board and stacked PC104 cards turn into an unwieldy form-factor and PC104 is quite expensive - the simple power requirement might be a problem ... I don't want the AC adaptor be larger than the computer, don't want to mess with multiple voltage (5V and 12V) and AC/DC output stuff as is common in desktop PCs. - my wishlist looks like custom - and custom is expensive. Anyone please offer any thoughts? regards -Gunther --------------ADEC4B19C44D3E45116E99D4 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="gunther.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Gunther Schadow Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="gunther.vcf" begin:vcard n:Schadow;Gunther tel;fax:+1 317 630 6962 tel;home:+1 317 816 0516 tel;work:+1 317 630 7960 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://aurora.rg.iupui.edu org:Regenstrief Institute for Health Care;Dr. McDonald, 5th floor adr:;;1050 Wishard Blvd;Indianapolis;Indiana;46202;USA version:2.1 email;internet:gunther@aurora.rg.iupui.edu title:M.D., Medical Information Scientist fn:Gunther Schadow end:vcard --------------ADEC4B19C44D3E45116E99D4-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jul 21 13:31:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from dopey.unlimited.net (dopey.unlimited.net [209.186.200.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2519E37BEEE for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:31:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from norami@unlimited.net) Received: from unlimited.net (ts3-101.unlimited.net [209.186.200.101] (may be forged)) by dopey.unlimited.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30702; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:32:56 -0700 Message-ID: <3978B5CB.F920A0DA@unlimited.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:42:51 -0700 From: John Oram <norami@unlimited.net> Reply-To: norami@unlimited.net Organization: norAmi X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,x-ns1dzwuwOCyNhP,x-ns2r2809OnmPe2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gunther Schadow <gunther@aurora.rg.iupui.edu> Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: are there any *inexpensive* SBC with just the right features? References: <397885FD.40281ADE@aurora.rg.iupui.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gunther: Try a search for flex pc it is 12 wide 15 deep 3.5 high with 2pci and 1pci/isa about 325.00 bare bones I have not used one myself. But several people on the wireless ISP newsgroup recommend it. John Oram Gunther Schadow wrote: > > Hi, > > in my quest for SBCs for some PicoBSD setup, I ran into difficulties. > Most of these devices are pretty expensive to start with, some aren't > even particularly small, and most are mis-fitted in terms of features. > For my purpose of course. > > What I would *like* to find is: > > - CPU i486 or i586 100 - 200 MHz is just fine > > - VGA is *not* required at all, instead I want > > - on board Ethernet 10/100 at least one interface, > some would even need two > > - one or two SIO ports, one or two LPT ports. > > - CompactFlash ram (PCMCIA type is probably best at > this time for it's easier to interoperate with.) > > - IDE disks are not needed (if CompactFlash works > and can be booted from.) > > - really small form-factor > > - low power consumption > > - low heat production > > - simple power requirements (e.g., 12 V DC only) > (so that it can be fit into a small box with a simple > external AC adapter.) > > - low price <= $300 including i486 CPU, 32 MB RAM > and 8 MB CompactFlash RAM. > > What do you think? Is this list flawed? Any chance to > find something like it? > > My plan is to assemble some set of 20 or more of such > boxes to deploy in an IPv6/IPsec networking project > for gateways, printer drivers, and all kinds of stuff. > Plug and play no maintenance. > > I imagine the following problems: > > - without VGA, debugging of system startup sequence will > be a pain in the butt (nothing happens and you don't > know why...) > > - the PCMCIA-based CF card is not the typical thing found > on SBCs. Most have DiskOnChip kind of setup which is > not too robustly supported by FreeBSD at this point. > > Furthermore DiskOnChip would raises a bootstrapping problem, > i.e., how to get the first image onto the chip without one > of those computers running already... > > - noone will put 2 Ethernet interfaces on board and stacked > PC104 cards turn into an unwieldy form-factor and PC104 > is quite expensive > > - the simple power requirement might be a problem ... I > don't want the AC adaptor be larger than the computer, > don't want to mess with multiple voltage (5V and 12V) > and AC/DC output stuff as is common in desktop PCs. > > - my wishlist looks like custom - and custom is expensive. > > Anyone please offer any thoughts? > regards > -Gunther To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jul 21 13:47:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FB437C0EF for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:47:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05880; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:47:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA02675; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:47:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007212047.OAA02675@harmony.village.org> To: norami@unlimited.net Subject: Re: are there any *inexpensive* SBC with just the right features? Cc: Gunther Schadow <gunther@aurora.rg.iupui.edu>, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:42:51 PDT." <3978B5CB.F920A0DA@unlimited.net> References: <3978B5CB.F920A0DA@unlimited.net> <397885FD.40281ADE@aurora.rg.iupui.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:47:07 -0600 From: Warner Losh <imp@village.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <3978B5CB.F920A0DA@unlimited.net> John Oram writes: : > - CPU i486 or i586 100 - 200 MHz is just fine : > - VGA is *not* required at all, instead I want : > - on board Ethernet 10/100 at least one interface, : > some would even need two two is a problem. : > - one or two SIO ports, one or two LPT ports. : > - CompactFlash ram (PCMCIA type is probably best at : > this time for it's easier to interoperate with.) : > - IDE disks are not needed (if CompactFlash works : > and can be booted from.) : > - really small form-factor : > - low power consumption : > - low heat production : > - simple power requirements (e.g., 12 V DC only) : > (so that it can be fit into a small box with a simple : > external AC adapter.) : > - low price <= $300 including i486 CPU, 32 MB RAM : > and 8 MB CompactFlash RAM. For all of those, excpt price, the megatel boards are nice. These are a 2.5"x2.5" square board that's 1" thick. : > I imagine the following problems: : > - without VGA, debugging of system startup sequence will : > be a pain in the butt (nothing happens and you don't : > know why...) serial consoles work great. I use them all the time. : > - the PCMCIA-based CF card is not the typical thing found : > on SBCs. Most have DiskOnChip kind of setup which is : > not too robustly supported by FreeBSD at this point. That's not completely true. We have some half height boards here from teknor that have a CF saughter card. DiskOnChip is well supported by FreeBSD. We had bad luck with the parts themselves, but I'm told that the supply problems we got caught in have been fixed. Also, there are lots of CF <-> IDE adapters out there. Tapr (http://www.tapr.org) has one, as does pcengines. They run about $20-$25 each. You can use a desktop with a CF <-> PCCARD adapter to burn them. Works great now that I fixed the multiple insert bugs in FreeBSD before 4.1. : > Furthermore DiskOnChip would raises a bootstrapping problem, : > i.e., how to get the first image onto the chip without one : > of those computers running already... You can buy a card that lets you plug them into desktops. Also, if you have a passive bus backplane, you can plug an SPC into the bus and install onto it. Be warned you'll need to do some hacking to get a small set of FreeBSD programs, either via the pico bsd rout, or through hand rolled scritps like I have to build our CF and DOC parts. : > - noone will put 2 Ethernet interfaces on board and stacked : > PC104 cards turn into an unwieldy form-factor and PC104 : > is quite expensive True. The ISA backplanes also have similar problems. : > - my wishlist looks like custom - and custom is expensive. It isn't all that custom. You can find cards by Axiom and Teknor might fit your needs. Also, if you have to go very small, there's the megatel board. : > Anyone please offer any thoughts? Good luck. That second ethernet might kill you (or at least make things expensive). Your other option with the second ethernet might eb to go USB, as the teknor card has USB built into it. We don't use it in our app, so I don't know how well/poorly it works. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jul 21 15:17: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23D737C1AB for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:17:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darrylo@soco.agilent.com) Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com (mina.soco.agilent.com [141.121.54.157]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3A21A7; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com (darrylo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mina.soco.agilent.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.0) with ESMTP id PAA28791; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007212211.PAA28791@mina.soco.agilent.com> To: Gunther Schadow <gunther@aurora.rg.iupui.edu> Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: are there any *inexpensive* SBC with just the right features? Reply-To: Darryl Okahata <darrylo@soco.agilent.com> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:18:53 EDT." <397885FD.40281ADE@aurora.rg.iupui.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.5) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:11:43 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata <darrylo@soco.agilent.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gunther Schadow <gunther@aurora.rg.iupui.edu> wrote: > in my quest for SBCs for some PicoBSD setup, I ran into difficulties. > Most of these devices are pretty expensive to start with, some aren't > even particularly small, and most are mis-fitted in terms of features. > For my purpose of course. I, too, have been looking for small SBCs, and I've been investigating the boards from Advantech (they're not really low-power though): http://www.advantech.com They've got an online store, and so they appear to sell to end-users (but I've never ordered anything from them, so beware). They have a few boards that come close to your specifications. However, note that the boards they have don't come with any RAM (you have to install your own, but fortunately the RAM is standard SIMM/DIMM stuff), and some don't come with any CPUs. Some CPUs are also "5x86"s. The prices range from the low $200s to $600 on up. If anyone's using any Advantech boards with FreeBSD, I'd like to hear any stories. Thanks, -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@soco.agilent.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jul 21 17:59:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.web.de (pop3.web.de [194.45.170.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C80337C636 for <freebsd-small@freebsd.org>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:51:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rabat@web.de) Received: from spotteswoode.de by smtp.web.de with smtp (freemail 4.1.0.0 #20) id m13FnVp-003xLsC; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 02:51 +0200 Received: (qmail 439 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jul 2000 00:51:28 -0000 From: "clemensF" <rabat@web.de> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 02:51:28 +0200 To: Gunther Schadow <gunther@aurora.rg.iupui.edu> Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: are there any *inexpensive* SBC with just the right features? Message-ID: <20000722025128.B298@spotteswoode.de> References: <397885FD.40281ADE@aurora.rg.iupui.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <397885FD.40281ADE@aurora.rg.iupui.edu>; from gunther@aurora.rg.iupui.edu on Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 01:18:53PM -0400 Organization: private X-PGP-ID: 0xD4685B88-4894C483 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Gunther Schadow: > - without VGA, debugging of system startup sequence will > be a pain in the butt (nothing happens and you don't > know why...) > > Furthermore DiskOnChip would raises a bootstrapping problem, > i.e., how to get the first image onto the chip without one > of those computers running already... but surely in the construction phase you will have computers with optional vga. they'll help with bootstrapping and diagnosis. the missing vga is the most akward thought for me. clemens To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jul 21 18:31:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F9137B5F0 for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:31:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06938; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:31:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA04774; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:30:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007220130.TAA04774@harmony.village.org> To: "clemensF" <rabat@web.de> Subject: Re: are there any *inexpensive* SBC with just the right features? Cc: Gunther Schadow <gunther@aurora.rg.iupui.edu>, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 22 Jul 2000 02:51:28 +0200." <20000722025128.B298@spotteswoode.de> References: <20000722025128.B298@spotteswoode.de> <397885FD.40281ADE@aurora.rg.iupui.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:30:59 -0600 From: Warner Losh <imp@village.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000722025128.B298@spotteswoode.de> "clemensF" writes: : but surely in the construction phase you will have computers with optional : vga. they'll help with bootstrapping and diagnosis. the missing vga is : the most akward thought for me. Personally, I'd rather see a completely missing VGA with good serial console support than to have a VGA at all... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 22 2:40:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.web.de (pop3.web.de [194.45.170.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 393B137C202 for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 02:40:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rabat@web.de) Received: from spotteswoode.de by smtp.web.de with smtp (freemail 4.1.0.0 #20) id m13FvlT-003yKeC; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 11:40 +0200 Received: (qmail 5838 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jul 2000 09:40:11 -0000 From: "clemensF" <rabat@web.de> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 11:40:11 +0200 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pb_en-N.bin again Message-ID: <20000722114011.C5607@spotteswoode.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000720163652.A71501@sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20000720175832.D3701@spotteswoode.de> <20000721003358.A74680@sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20000721003358.A74680@sibptus.tomsk.ru>; from sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru on Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 12:33:58AM +0800 Organization: private X-PGP-ID: 0xD4685B88-4894C483 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Victor Sudakov: > > an address wrap around on overflow? > > Well, what should be done about it, if anything should be done? Can it > be the cause of my troubles with PicoBSD? > The box has 12M RAM. it might be interesting to find out where the symbols get loaded. you might try nm(1) with an unstriped kernel. how do kernels get relocted while loading? clemens To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 22 2:40:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.web.de (pop3.web.de [194.45.170.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1EA0937C216 for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 02:40:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rabat@web.de) Received: from spotteswoode.de by smtp.web.de with smtp (freemail 4.1.0.0 #20) id m13Fvls-003xjfC; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 11:40 +0200 Received: (qmail 5862 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jul 2000 09:40:35 -0000 From: "clemensF" <rabat@web.de> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 11:40:35 +0200 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: are there any *inexpensive* SBC with just the right features? Message-ID: <20000722114035.G5607@spotteswoode.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000722025128.B298@spotteswoode.de> <397885FD.40281ADE@aurora.rg.iupui.edu> <20000722025128.B298@spotteswoode.de> <200007220130.TAA04774@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200007220130.TAA04774@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 07:30:59PM -0600 Organization: private X-PGP-ID: 0xD4685B88-4894C483 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Warner Losh: > Personally, I'd rather see a completely missing VGA with good serial > console support than to have a VGA at all... and freebsd is nice to serial consoles. clemens To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 22 19:19:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from dopey.unlimited.net (dopey.unlimited.net [209.186.200.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE54737B63D for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:19:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from norami@unlimited.net) Received: from unlimited.net (ts3-108.unlimited.net [209.186.200.108]) by dopey.unlimited.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07870 for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:19:35 -0700 Message-ID: <397A58C2.D77106E8@unlimited.net> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:30:26 -0700 From: John Oram <norami@unlimited.net> Reply-To: norami@unlimited.net Organization: norAmi X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,x-ns1dzwuwOCyNhP,x-ns2r2809OnmPe2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "list=freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG" <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Smallest footprint box?? where to get one? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------59ECDDA9EA120A2181421995" Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------59ECDDA9EA120A2181421995 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there: This came in from a person on the wireless ISP newsgroup mailing list who is looking for a small-sized platform too. Thought some of you might find it interesting. This person is working on an initial order of 500 units. so his price point might be pretty good, especially of some of you were interested too. John Oram Sacramento, CA --------------59ECDDA9EA120A2181421995 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <william@smartguys.net> Received: from ns1.up-ramp.net ([216.207.172.2]) by dopey.unlimited.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02566 for <norami@unlimited.net>; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:10:46 -0700 Received: from devine (cs160105-253.houston.rr.com [24.160.105.253]) by ns1.up-ramp.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA30595 for <norami@unlimited.net>; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 16:17:41 -0500 Reply-To: <william@smartguys.net> From: "William Devine, II" <william@smartguys.net> To: <norami@unlimited.net> Subject: RE: Smallest footprint Linux box?? where to get one? Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 16:14:00 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01bff421$c23032e0$1600a8c0@devine> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <3979FC54.204E29BB@unlimited.net> X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 John, So far the smallest box I've found is 10" x 11" x 3.5" and has a Pentium 233, 32Megs DRAM, 6.4Gig IDE HD, 48x cdrom, 1.44M floppy, two realtek 8139a NIC's, PS/2 mouse/keyboard, onboard supervga for $420 . It's more of a small PC and the only two PCI slots it has can be filled with two NIC's (since I'm looking for something that can push a T1 or slower on the outside, the realtek's aren't a problem, but if I needed faster I'd go with an Intel 8255x or 3C905 or something.) Now, I'm talking with JumpTec (www.jumptec.com, or www.emjembedded.com their US distributor) about a tiny box with an AMD K6/2 450, 8MB flash, 32Megs RAM, and their Linux distribution that has the basic utilities, cutdown apache webserver, telnet/ftp/ping/traceroute and IPCHAINS for firewalling, that would work great for what I'm using it for (plug and play miniature firewall with IPSEC VPN capabilities. I've heard there is a picoBSD distribution that has bandwidth shaping, firewalling, NAT, etc that fits on a 1.44Meg floppy so I might be looking at it to use on the 8MB Flash. I'm trying to hit the $200 price point for a machine that can handle a 1.5Meg ADSL or SDSL line for 5-10 machines. I have some NAT boxes (Linksys, Nexland, NetGear) that can do that easily, but they have to be running Linux so I can integrate the IPSEC and our custom web-based firewall management program onto it via a web server. William -----Original Message----- From: John Oram [mailto:norami@unlimited.net] Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 2:56 PM To: William Devine, II Subject: RE: Smallest footprint Linux box?? where to get one? William: There are several people on the <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG> list including myself who are looking for similar units in quantity of 10 to 20 each units. If you could send me info on what you have found I'll send it along to the list and the other folks who said they were interested. You may be able to pickup some more sales to add onto the order you will be placing. John Oram Sacramento, CA 916-339-2311 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Smallest footprint Linux box?? where to get one? From: "William Devine, II" <william@smartguys.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:21:18 -0500 X-Message-Number: 67 Darren, I had already contacted them, about 2 weeks ago, and got the response this afternoon (quick response.....ahem.) I'm going to be talking with them about this directly, but I also received some VERY good responses and have one in particular, fully populated with AMD K6/450 (or Pentium 233), 32Megs, two 10/100 NIC's (supported under Redhat 6.1), 6Gig HD, floppy, cdrom, 10"x11"x3.5" that can be acquired for ~$400 each. Even if the Netwinder's performance was exponentially larger than this one, I don't want to go over $400 per client. Obviously, in what we're going to be doing, price is one of the SOLE determiners, and the box only has to have a 166Mhz processor to do what we're doing anyway (maybe even less.) William --------------59ECDDA9EA120A2181421995-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 22 21: 0:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from server.soekris.com (dnai-216-15-61-44.cust.dnai.com [216.15.61.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650C637B754 for <freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:00:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from soren@soekris.com) Received: from soekris.com ([192.168.1.4]) by server.soekris.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA65795; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:00:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from soren@soekris.com) Message-ID: <397A6DC6.AD7DAEFF@soekris.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:00:06 -0700 From: Soren Kristensen <soren@soekris.com> Organization: Soekris Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: norami@unlimited.net, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Smallest footprint box?? where to get one? References: <397A58C2.D77106E8@unlimited.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Everybody, I've been following some of the FreeBSD mailinglists for some time (I'm using FreeBSD on my own DSL server/nat/firewall), and would like to introduce myself. I'm a freelance hardware designer, and have done a lots of embedded PC design, and actually did a tiny prototype MPC850 communication controller based firewall for linux. (Linux runs on the MPC850, a 50-80 Mhz PowrPC....) See http://www.soekris.com/fw1000.jpg and http://www.inside.dk/news/Photos/586GXm-plus.JPG That little pcb of my own (3.0" x 4.1") has 2 10mbit ethernet ports, serial port, 16-64 Mbyte DRAM, 1-4 Mbyte flash plus a compactflash socket. Projected volume cost incl box: <80$. After those cheap nat boxes came out I kind of put the project aside, but keep thinking about making one optimized for FreeBSD instead. If there is several people interested in that, I would be willing to make a design and manufacture them in medium volumes, a little like OEM hardware. I was thinking about using maybe a AMD SC520 (133 mhz 486), 2 or 3 ethernet ports, 8-32 Mbyte dram, boot/bios flash and compact flash socket. If people wants VPN, I could make room for a hardware crypto chip. If we need more power, a NatSemi Geode GX1 (200-300 mhz 486+) could also be a possibiliy. That's the processor used on the other board, a customer design. Or even a K6-2+, but I would prefer to keep power and cost down. Let me know if there is any interest. Regards, Soren Kristensen Morgan Hill, CA. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message