From owner-freebsd-small Mon Aug 21 2:21:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from brain.element-5.de (brain.element-5.de [195.185.111.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EAC437B422 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 02:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from davis.element5.de (fw2.cc.element5.de [192.168.11.2]) by brain.element-5.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23843 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:21:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:21:25 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: glaess@element5.de Organization: element5 AG From: holger glaess To: small@freebsd.org Subject: picobsd on cdrom Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi all one question itī given any member here there are try to make a picobsd an burn/boot it from cd ? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- element 5 - the e-way of software at http://www.element5.de / .com element 5 AG - Vogelsanger Str. 78 - 50823 Koeln - Germany Tel: +49-221-31088-0 - FAX: +49-221-31088-99 - glaess@element5.de ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Aug 21 16:39:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D4937B424 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:39:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA33899; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:08:51 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:08:51 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: holger glaess Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: picobsd on cdrom Message-ID: <20000822090851.A33321@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from glaess@element5.de on Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 11:21:25AM +0200 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 21 August 2000 at 11:21:25 +0200, holger glaess wrote: > hi all > > one question > itī given any member here there are try to make a picobsd an burn/boot it from > cd ? I have this on my tuit list. Specifically, a 50 MB version which will fit on a mini-CD. If anybody wants to work with me on this, I'd be grateful. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Aug 21 23:58:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from brain.element-5.de (brain.element-5.de [195.185.111.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1626637B423 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from davis.element5.de (fw2.cc.element5.de [192.168.11.2]) by brain.element-5.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24612; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:58:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000822090851.A33321@wantadilla.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:58:15 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: glaess@element5.de Organization: element5 AG From: holger glaess To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: picobsd on cdrom Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 21-Aug-00 Greg Lehey wrote: > On Monday, 21 August 2000 at 11:21:25 +0200, holger glaess wrote: >> hi all >> >> one question >> itī given any member here there are try to make a picobsd an burn/boot it >> from >> cd ? > > I have this on my tuit list. Specifically, a 50 MB version which will > fit on a mini-CD. If anybody wants to work with me on this, I'd be > grateful. is ok iīm there is better to develop with other people on on project with the same destination. i think we need a roadmap a plan , some ideaīs > > Greg > -- > Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > See complete headers for address and phone numbers > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- element 5 - the e-way of software at http://www.element5.de / .com element 5 AG - Vogelsanger Str. 78 - 50823 Koeln - Germany Tel: +49-221-31088-0 - FAX: +49-221-31088-99 - glaess@element5.de ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Aug 22 0:10:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from ina.de (hp00290.ina.de [159.51.6.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D368C37B42C for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pc11322.ina.de (pc11322.ina.de [159.51.6.55]) by ina.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA15142 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:10:05 +0200 (METDST) Received: FROM coi01.ina.de BY pc11322.ina.de ; Tue Aug 22 09:10:05 2000 +0200 Received: from coi.de (su00996.ina.de [159.51.60.22]) by coi01.ina.de with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id QS35MTSV; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:07:51 +0200 Message-ID: <39A2274A.4EDADF94@coi.de> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:10:02 +0200 From: "Mitterwald, Holger" Organization: COI GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: small@freebsd.org Subject: NIC computer? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Good morning, has anybody seen the "NIC" network computer? (http://www.thinknic.com). The device is sold for $199. It has built in ethernet, softmodem and USB. The OS is a Linux System started from the builtin CDROM and seems completely run out of it. As it seems there is a FlashDisk in the device. And I have seen that it is capable of DHCP. Anyone tested it with picoBSD? Greetings, Holger To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Aug 22 5:20: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from diskfarm.firehouse.net (rdu25-12-043.nc.rr.com [24.25.12.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB7137B423 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 05:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from abc@localhost) by diskfarm.firehouse.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA77370; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:19:49 GMT (envelope-from abc) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:19:49 +0000 From: Alan Clegg To: "Mitterwald, Holger" Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NIC computer? Message-ID: <20000822121948.F67500@diskfarm.firehouse.net> References: <39A2274A.4EDADF94@coi.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <39A2274A.4EDADF94@coi.de>; from mittehlg@coi.de on Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 09:10:02AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Out of the ether, Mitterwald, Holger spewed forth the following bitstream: > has anybody seen the "NIC" network computer? (http://www.thinknic.com). > The device is sold for $199. It has built in ethernet, softmodem and > USB. Yes, I have two of them. Nice and cheap. It also has sound which I'm not sure is supported at this time. > The OS is a Linux System started from the builtin CDROM and seems > completely run out of it. As it seems there is a FlashDisk in the device. > And I have seen that it is capable of DHCP. It has a 4MB 'flash' IDE drive as the secondary IDE device (CD-ROM is primary). They use the flash as storage for 'settings'. Having brought a "LinuxCare" cd-greeting-card back from LinuxWorld, I was able to boot from that and play a bit with what they were saving. I've not yet been able to write a bootable image to the flash. Also, the NIC is PXE bootable via BIOS setup, and the Ethernet is sis(4) compliant so it works out-of-the-box (booting from disk0 or disk1 from the boxed set). > Anyone tested it with picoBSD? I'm currently punching it around a bit with PXE booting and then running 100% via NFS. It is not running _right_, but hopefully will be soon. AlanC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Aug 22 8: 4:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from dreamwvr.com (24.64.29.64.ab.wave.home.com [24.64.29.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3FBE37B42C for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tyr.dreamwvr.com (unknown [192.168.26.101]) by dreamwvr.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 170BB3486; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:04:07 -0600 (MDT) From: dreamwvr To: "Mitterwald, Holger" , small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NIC computer? Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:28:38 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <39A2274A.4EDADF94@coi.de> In-Reply-To: <39A2274A.4EDADF94@coi.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0008220932270Q.08161@tyr.dreamwvr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, no but it would work as they told me you can create your own bootable cd .. it has 4 meg of ramdisk or is it 8 meg can't remember now but anyhow plenty of room. if anyone is into it we could start a group that does dev of this;-)) this would mean i would have to buy one as well which i wanted to for a 3 or 4 months but did not want to go it alone.. Best Regards, dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Mitterwald, Holger wrote: > Good morning, > has anybody seen the "NIC" network computer? (http://www.thinknic.com). > The device is sold for $199. It has built in ethernet, softmodem and > USB. > The OS is a Linux System started from the builtin CDROM and seems > completely > run out of it. As it seems there is a FlashDisk in the device. And I > have seen > that it is capable of DHCP. > > Anyone tested it with picoBSD? > > Greetings, > Holger > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message -- Reuters, London, February 29, 1998: Scientists have announced discovering a meteorite which will strike the earth in March, 2028. Millions of UNIX coders expressed relief for being spared the UNIX epoch "crisis" of 2038. _______________________________________________________________________ ************** DREAMWVR.COM - TOTAL INTERNET SERVICES **************** TOTAL DESIGN - DEVELOPMENT - INTEGRATION - SECURITY - Click Here.. ; DREAMWVR.COM - The Console of Many... 90 Topics Covered ; ; ->>Open Solution Provider and North American Distributor<<- "===0 PGP Key Available *************** "As Unique as the Company You Keep."***************** "If anyone speaks from DREAMWVR.COM its certainly not me:-)" ________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Aug 22 10: 3:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from lament.support.pavilion.net (lament.support.pavilion.net [212.74.1.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E4E37B42C for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lament.support.pavilion.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C6ED229; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:03:20 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:03:20 +0100 From: Ben Hughes To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Message-ID: <20000822180320.A11116@lament.support.pavilion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.7i Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Aug 22 12:47:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from cpt-mailhost2.mweb.co.za (cpt-mailhost2.mweb.co.za [196.2.48.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725BB37B424 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pta-dial-196-31-185-52.mweb.co.za by cpt-mailhost2.mweb.co.za (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FZP00H6ULLWH8@cpt-mailhost2.mweb.co.za> for small@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:47:14 +0200 (GMT-2) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:42:25 -0200 (GMT+2) From: John Leuner Subject: picoBSD - features In-reply-to: <0008220932270Q.08161@tyr.dreamwvr.com> X-Sender: jewel@svetlana.mweb.co.za To: jewel@pixie.co.za Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello all, I've been looking at various kernels which might be able to host a Java Virtual Machine to form a kind of Java-Based OS. So far nothing I've tried seems to be able to give me what I want. So what I want to ask is: Does picoBSD provide a pthreads implementation? Does it require some sort of root filesystem (mfsroot?) to boot? Will it be difficult to build a GRUB bootable image, especially one bigger than a floppy? Thanks John Leuner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Aug 22 14:57: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.got.net (dyn-207-111-241-39.sjc.got.net [207.111.241.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1E137B424 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:56:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from brucem@localhost) by mail.got.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00570; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:07:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brucem) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:07:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bruce R. Montague Brucem" Message-Id: <200008222007.NAA00570@mail.got.net> To: jewel@pixie.co.za Subject: Re: picoBSD - features Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, John. I don't know what your situation is, what type of system your looking for (commerical/ research/hobby) but about 4-5 years ago I wrote such a system for the 1st version of Java. I don't know what its current status is and don't know if it would need to much upgrading for your needs: http://www.cse.ucsc.edu/research/embedded/jn.html Contact Charlie McDowell: charlie@cse.ucsc.edu http://www.cse.ucsc.edu/research/embedded/ I wrote the system up in IEEE Micro, May/June 97. It's API was just what the JVM 1.1 (I think it was) needed to run, no more. These days the underlying API (I think at one time Sun decided to call it the HPI) has probably changed. Incidently, this was the system that _provided_ Sun with their spec for what API a host system needed to provide the JVM to run, that is, JVM's API to the system below it... - bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Aug 24 4:29:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4528D37B423; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from johan@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id EAA92274; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:29:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johan@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:29:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200008241129.EAA92274@freefall.freebsd.org> To: johan@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: kern/15870: PicoBSD Kernel link fails Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Synopsis: PicoBSD Kernel link fails Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-small Responsible-Changed-By: johan Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Aug 24 04:28:40 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: Over to maintainer group. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=15870 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Aug 24 4:29:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0DF937B422; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from johan@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id EAA92449; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:29:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johan@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:29:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200008241129.EAA92449@freefall.freebsd.org> To: johan@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: misc/15871: CVS directories copied to PicoBSD filesystems Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Synopsis: CVS directories copied to PicoBSD filesystems Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-small Responsible-Changed-By: johan Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Aug 24 04:29:18 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: Over to maintainer group. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=15871 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Aug 24 4:30:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B63D37B43C; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from johan@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id EAA92556; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:30:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johan@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:30:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200008241130.EAA92556@freefall.freebsd.org> To: johan@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: misc/15874: PicoBSD can only update files from within /etc Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Synopsis: PicoBSD can only update files from within /etc Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-small Responsible-Changed-By: johan Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Aug 24 04:29:52 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: Over to maintainer group. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=15874 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Aug 24 4:30:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A730737B424; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from johan@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id EAA92651; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:30:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johan@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:30:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200008241130.EAA92651@freefall.freebsd.org> To: johan@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: misc/15875: Incorrect permissions on PicoBSD /tmp directory Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Synopsis: Incorrect permissions on PicoBSD /tmp directory Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-small Responsible-Changed-By: johan Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Aug 24 04:30:22 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: Over to maintainer group. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=15875 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Aug 24 4:31:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD11737B423; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:31:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from johan@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id EAA92764; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:31:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johan@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:31:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200008241131.EAA92764@freefall.freebsd.org> To: johan@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: misc/15876: PicoBSD message of the day problems Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Synopsis: PicoBSD message of the day problems Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-small Responsible-Changed-By: johan Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Aug 24 04:30:51 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: Over to maintainer group. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=15876 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Aug 25 4:44:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from lozen.uit.no (lozen.Uit.No [129.242.5.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18E437B422 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 04:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from joseph.cc.uit.no (joseph.Cc.Uit.No [129.242.6.242]) by lozen.uit.no (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7PBiXl22389 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:44:33 +0200 (METDST) Received: from archer.cc.uit.no (archer.Cc.Uit.No [129.242.6.119]) by joseph.cc.uit.no (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7PBiWj12143; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:44:32 +0200 (METDST) Received: from archer.cc.uit.no (johan@localhost) by archer.cc.uit.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17986; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:44:31 +0200 Message-Id: <200008251144.NAA17986@archer.cc.uit.no> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.2 06/08/2000 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: johan.johansen@cc.uit.no Subject: picobsd is great Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:44:31 +0200 From: Johan Johansen Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG picobsd on my FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE system works just great. I managed to set up a router on a 486 machine, routing trafikk between my ethernet and a radio-net using pcmcia card from WaveLAN inserted into their ISA-card. Adding pcic-stuff into the kernel and adding programs pccardc/pccardd/wicontrol to the floppy was no problem. Trying the same on FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE gave me som trouble, though. It looks like ppp stopped the build process, see errors below. I can "fix" this by removing ppp from crunch.conf, but I really would like to have ppp. So, anyone know a solution to my problem, or is this solved in later releases of FreeBSD? == Johan Johansen University of Tromso cc -static -o crunch1 crunch1.o sh.lo test.lo echo.lo hostname.lo ln.lo login.lo getty.lo stty.lo inetd.lo telnetd.lo w.lo msg.lo kget.lo reboot.lo init.lo ifconfig.lo df.lo sps.lo ns.lo vm.lo cat.lo cp.lo rm.lo mknod.lo chmod.lo chown.lo mkdir.lo ls.lo syslogd.lo sysctl.lo route.lo pwd_mkdb.lo dev_mkdb.lo mount.lo mount_msdos.lo umount.lo kill.lo mount_std.lo natd.lo pwd.lo ppp.lo telnet.lo more.lo passwd.lo date.lo mount_cd9660.lo mount_nfs.lo ping.lo traceroute.lo routed.lo ipfw.lo -lncurses -lmytinfo -lipx -lz -lpcap -lalias -lwrap -ledit -lutil -lmd -lcrypt -lmp -lgmp -lm -lkvm -lgnuregex -ltelnet -lradius ppp.lo: In function `ID0NgMkSockNode': ppp.lo(.text+0x12448): undefined reference to `NgMkSockNode' ppp.lo: In function `ether_Write': ppp.lo(.text+0x27010): undefined reference to `NgSendData' ppp.lo: In function `ether_Read': ppp.lo(.text+0x27042): undefined reference to `NgRecvData' ppp.lo: In function `ether_MessageIn': ppp.lo(.text+0x27267): undefined reference to `NgRecvMsg' ppp.lo: In function `ether_Create': ppp.lo(.text+0x277e2): undefined reference to `NgSendMsg' ppp.lo(.text+0x27824): undefined reference to `NgRecvMsg' ppp.lo(.text+0x27a3e): undefined reference to `NgSendMsg' ppp.lo(.text+0x27b37): undefined reference to `NgSendMsg' ppp.lo(.text+0x27be1): undefined reference to `NgSendMsg' *** Error code 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Aug 25 10:10:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from nikola.org (nikola.org [204.119.0.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2572E37B423 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28989 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2000 17:12:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO nikola.org) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Aug 2000 17:12:36 -0000 From: mark@nikola.org To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: PC110 flash boot Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:12:35 -0700 Message-Id: <20000825171054.2572E37B423@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has any body had any luck getting a SanDisk flash card to boot on a PC110? The closest I get was screens full of a continuous number. Any insights greatly apreciated. -mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Aug 25 10:17:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9040137B443 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA76052; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:17:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA18038; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:17:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200008251717.LAA18038@harmony.village.org> To: mark@nikola.org Subject: Re: PC110 flash boot Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:12:35 PDT." <20000825171054.2572E37B423@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20000825171054.2572E37B423@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:17:40 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000825171054.2572E37B423@hub.freebsd.org> mark@nikola.org writes: : Has any body had any luck getting a SanDisk flash card : to boot on a PC110? The closest I get was screens full : of a continuous number. : : Any insights greatly apreciated. What kind of pc110? Is this a CF in an IDE adapter? Is this a CF in a PCCARD slot (either via an adapter or directly connected)? does the BIOS of the SBC support this sort of thing? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Aug 25 18:48:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from diskfarm.firehouse.net (rdu25-12-043.nc.rr.com [24.25.12.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C2237B424; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from abc@localhost) by diskfarm.firehouse.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA36828; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:47:50 GMT (envelope-from abc) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:47:50 +0000 From: Alan Clegg To: Greg Lehey Cc: freebsd-questions , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: read only / filesystem Message-ID: <20000826014750.F32393@diskfarm.firehouse.net> Mail-Followup-To: Alan Clegg , Greg Lehey , freebsd-questions , freebsd-small@freebsd.org References: <20000824002732.A45983@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000824101341.D66923@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20000824130404.A51338@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000825111535.F548@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20000824234917.A93373@mammalia.org> <20000826110117.F52219@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20000826110117.F52219@wantadilla.lemis.com>; from grog@lemis.com on Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 11:01:18AM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Unless the network is lying to me again, Greg Lehey said: > Basically, I think our current layout isn't really suited to a > read-only root file system. Somebody should think out a better > approach (and wonder whether the change is worth the effort). Greetings... In my recent bashing around with my NIC and NFS booting, I've come across several issues regarding both read-only / and problems with installing on NFS-only systems. I can see that both of these are intertwined, and I'd be willing to work on this project. I'd recommend working with (around?) the existing /etc/rc.diskless[12] which already deal in a rather painful (when mount_null is disfunctional) way with a possible read-only /. As to the question of it being worth the effort, yes, it is, if for no reason other than '-small' installations that may rely on booting from un-modifiable devices such as CD-ROM, or from devices with a limited write-lifetime such as flash. Anyway, Yes, I'll take up the banner (in my spare time 8-) to get this on-task. AlanC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Aug 25 19: 5:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FE837B43E; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA77669; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:05:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA20725; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:05:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200008260205.UAA20725@harmony.village.org> To: Alan Clegg Subject: Re: read only / filesystem Cc: Greg Lehey , freebsd-questions , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:47:50 -0000." <20000826014750.F32393@diskfarm.firehouse.net> References: <20000826014750.F32393@diskfarm.firehouse.net> <20000824002732.A45983@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000824101341.D66923@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20000824130404.A51338@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000825111535.F548@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20000824234917.A93373@mammalia.org> <20000826110117.F52219@wantadilla.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:05:37 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000826014750.F32393@diskfarm.firehouse.net> Alan Clegg writes: : In my recent bashing around with my NIC and NFS booting, I've come : across several issues regarding both read-only / and problems with : installing on NFS-only systems. I can see that both of these are : intertwined, and I'd be willing to work on this project. OK. : I'd recommend working with (around?) the existing /etc/rc.diskless[12] : which already deal in a rather painful (when mount_null is disfunctional) : way with a possible read-only /. Hmmm, we've found it to be relatively easy. The biggest problems that we've seen are with /dev (which is hard to update with the current rc.diskless2), the need to customize /var directories (a simple mtree helped to fix this and the need to have a few files in /etc read/write (/etc/resolv.conf and /etc/ttys are needed for our product). For those files we've had OK luck with symbolic liks to a writable partition. However, could use some improvement. : As to the question of it being worth the effort, yes, it is, if for no : reason other than '-small' installations that may rely on booting from : un-modifiable devices such as CD-ROM, or from devices with a limited : write-lifetime such as flash. : : Anyway, Yes, I'll take up the banner (in my spare time 8-) to get this : on-task. I know that Timing Solutions would be very interested in this. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message