From owner-freebsd-small Sun Oct 29 14:57:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.attica.net.nz (unknown [202.180.64.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E015637B4C5 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:57:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4787 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2000 22:56:16 -0000 Received: from 202-180-75-236.nas2.wn1.attica.net.nz (HELO davep200.afterswish.com) (202.180.75.236) by mail.attica.net.nz with SMTP; 29 Oct 2000 22:56:16 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.1.20001030110151.009fdeb0@mail.afterswish.com> X-Sender: davep@mail.afterswish.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:49:46 +1300 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-small@freebsd.org From: David Preece Subject: disklabel madness, make it boot... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It should be easy. I'm trying to get a 24Mb CF card to be a bootable drive from 4.0. I have it wired on the primary IDE as a slave drive, it is therefore ad1 and the following almost works: fdisk -I ad1 #take the whole MSDOS partition table dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rad1 bs=1k count=1 #Wipe the existing disk label disklabel -rwB ad1 auto #write a disk label newfs /dev/rad1c #create new file system ...when accompanied by copying over the kernel and other such (hints taken from handbook on making a rescue floppy for backups). The boot blocks run and complain because there's no kernel on ad(0,a), which is fair enough since it's on ad(0,c). So giving it the hint it boots the kernel then complains about failing to mount /sbin/init (which is also on 0,c). Anyway, it became clear to me that 'c' is the 'complete' unix partition and what I needed was an 'a' (or root) partition and that such a thing was set using disklabel (correct?). Anyway, to get a first shot I used /stand/sysinstall and wrote the disklabel, which appeared to then bin out my real drive (which fixed itself on reboot), so this is a significant bug in itself. Anyway, I then got the disklabel, which is currently this: # /dev/rad1c: type: ESDI disk: ad1s1 label: flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 32 tracks/cylinder: 4 sectors/cylinder: 128 cylinders: 368 sectors/unit: 47200 rpm: 3600 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 47200 0 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 0 - 368*) c: 47200 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 368*) (sorry for the bloat), so we can see the whole disk is turned over to an 'a' partition. I piped this to disk (file, disklabel.24meg) and modified my script to: fdisk -I ad1 dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad1 bs=1k count=1 disklabel -R -B ad1 disklabel.24meg newfs /dev/rad1a #create new file system And while I can mount the filesystem with mount /dev/ad1a if I now set this to be the master drive (and disconnect the other one), I get a 'Missing Operating System' from the BIOS - i.e. where are the boot blocks then?. It appears the -B in disklabel isn't working. Stunts I've tried include setting the disklabel to say 'disk: ad0s1' (for when it restarts being the master on the channel), doing a separate 'disklabel -B ad1' to force the boot blocks on and doing the -B within fdisk (i.e. 'fdisk -IB ad1'). The usual combinations of sleep, coffee and sacrifices to the gods also seem to do nothing. Help help help. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong here and any pointers would be much appreciated. As an aside, and a point of view that will no doubt not prove very popular, is this: I'm not a great hacker, but I'm not crap either and this is driving me up the wall. We are talking DCOM levels of frustration here and I can't help the feeling that the whole thing is just too damn complicated... Anyway, advice _please_ and flames if you really must. Dave :( BTW, -B option in fdisk is ignored if -f is specified, yet there is no command in the configuration file to set boot blocks, what gives?. See fdisk(8). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Oct 31 10:16:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from ns3.safety.net (ns3.safety.net [216.200.162.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6863E37B4D7 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:16:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from les@localhost) by ns3.safety.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA90875 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:16:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from les) From: Les Biffle Message-Id: <200010311816.LAA90875@ns3.safety.net> Subject: Runtime memory footprint To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:16:35 -0700 (MST) Reply-To: les@safety.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What determines the runtime memory footprint of a process? I have small daemons that occupy 25K on disk, don't malloc anything to speak of, but are 440K to 1024K in memory, according to top and ps. For that matter, just about nothing in my "ps" display is under 400K. The daemons are dynamically-linked. Is there anything I can do to reduce the memory footprint? Thanks and best regards, -Les --- Les Biffle Community Service... Just Say NO! (480) 778-0177 les@safety.net http://www.networksafety.com/ Network Safety, 7802 E Gray Rd Ste 500, Scottsdale, AZ 85260 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Oct 31 16: 0:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from frasier.iticom.net (unknown [216.84.159.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DA81437B4C5 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:00:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2444 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2000 00:00:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO walleye) (208.246.98.86) by leaftech.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2000 00:00:35 -0000 From: "Kevan Leaf" To: Subject: add to mail list Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:05:07 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG add to mail list To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Nov 1 0:55: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mimer.webgiro.com (unknown [213.162.128.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD5937B4C5 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 00:55:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by mimer.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 66) id 1DBBD2DC0B; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:57:58 +0100 (CET) Received: by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id ECF687817; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:51:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9962510E1A; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:51:28 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:51:28 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: les@safety.net Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Runtime memory footprint In-Reply-To: <200010311816.LAA90875@ns3.safety.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Les Biffle wrote: > What determines the runtime memory footprint of a process? I have small > daemons that occupy 25K on disk, don't malloc anything to speak of, but > are 440K to 1024K in memory, according to top and ps. For that matter, > just about nothing in my "ps" display is under 400K. The daemons are > dynamically-linked. Is there anything I can do to reduce the memory > footprint? Among other reasons (listed in answers on -hackers), if you link your programs statically, the parts that you used from external libraries add up to the total size. You can do objdump to see their sizes, and in some cases change the implementation of your program to avoid linking in the most bloated parts, somtimes sacrificing robustness or some unneeded features for the sake of size. Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Nov 1 1:31: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from exchsmtp.via.com.tw (c4.h061013036.is.net.tw [61.13.36.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04C637B4C5 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 01:31:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by EXCHSMTP with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:30:49 +0800 Message-ID: <611C3E2A972ED41196EF0050DA92E07608F9B2@EXCHANGE2> From: Owen Wu To: "'freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:30:51 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG auth bfd4f494 unsubscribe freebsd-small OwenWu@via.com.tw To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Nov 1 1:32:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from aardvark.ie (NW195-200.indigo.ie [194.125.195.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D3C6637B4C5 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 01:32:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31827 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2000 10:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nw195.aardvark.ie) (194.125.195.63) by -R with SMTP; 1 Nov 2000 10:37:20 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001101093158.00a70dc0@mx1> X-Sender: jerry@mx1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 09:32:33 +0000 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org From: Jerry Walsh Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <611C3E2A972ED41196EF0050DA92E07608F9B2@EXCHANGE2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is it *REALLY* all that hard to read the last two lines appended to every message that goes through this list? At 17:30 01/11/00 +0800, you wrote: >auth bfd4f494 unsubscribe freebsd-small OwenWu@via.com.tw > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Nov 1 16:26:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.salientsystems.com (pokey.salientsystems.com [204.210.234.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F107437B933 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:26:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from salientsystems.com (rusty [192.168.0.90]) by zippy.salientsystems.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00675 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:35:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from nludban@salientsystems.com) Message-ID: <3A00B57D.8A3E90F9@salientsystems.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 19:29:49 -0500 From: Neil Ludban Reply-To: nludban@pokey.salientsystems.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: problems booting with serial console Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hello, I'm trying to get FreeBSD (4.1.1R) to boot on an embedded PC. It's a 386ex with 8M RAM, 2 serial ports, and no video. It first boots to embedded DOS on a flash RAM drive (A:), and then runs a small program that loads the first sector off the DiskOnChip drive (C:) and executes it: Loading MBR Relocating 00000000 00007c00 F1 FreeBSD Default: F1 At this point, it beeps after every key press, but never progresses. I gave up and installed the simple "mbr" (using a DiskOnChip evaluation board on a different PC) and tried again. This time the line spins a few times to show it's loading, and then the cursor starts running about the screen. From the hexdump'd output (appended at end of message), it looks like it's just sending escape sequences. The output pauses periodically, just like normal device probing messages. Eventually it hangs, which isn't a big surprise since the disk doesn't have much more than a kernel and some /dev entries. This is especially baffling since the same setup starts booting normally on the test PC. Can anyone tell me what's going on here, or have suggestions to try? --Neil 00000940 4d 42 52 0d 0a 52 65 6c 6f 63 61 74 69 6e 67 0d |MBR..Relocating.| 00000950 0a 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 0d 0a 30 30 30 30 37 |.00000000..00007| 00000960 63 30 30 0d 0a 2d 08 5c 08 7c 08 2f 08 2d 08 5c |c00..-.\.|./.-.\| 00000970 08 7c 08 2f 08 2d 08 5c 08 7c 08 2f 08 2d 08 5c |.|./.-.\.|./.-.\| * 000009c0 08 7c 08 2f 08 2d 08 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 31 48 1b |.|./.-..[25;01H.| 000009d0 5b 32 35 3b 30 32 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 33 48 1b |[25;02H.[25;03H.| 000009e0 5b 32 35 3b 30 34 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 35 48 1b |[25;04H.[25;05H.| 000009f0 5b 32 35 3b 30 36 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 37 48 1b |[25;06H.[25;07H.| 00000a00 5b 32 35 3b 30 38 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 39 48 1b |[25;08H.[25;09H.| 00000a10 5b 32 35 3b 31 30 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 31 31 48 1b |[25;10H.[25;11H.| 00000a20 5b 32 35 3b 31 32 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 31 33 48 1b |[25;12H.[25;13H.| 00000a30 5b 32 35 3b 31 34 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 31 35 48 1b |[25;14H.[25;15H.| 00000a40 5b 32 35 3b 31 36 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 31 37 48 1b |[25;16H.[25;17H.| 00000a50 5b 32 35 3b 31 38 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 31 39 48 1b |[25;18H.[25;19H.| 00000a60 5b 32 35 3b 32 30 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 32 31 48 1b |[25;20H.[25;21H.| 00000a70 5b 32 35 3b 32 32 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 32 33 48 1b |[25;22H.[25;23H.| 00000a80 5b 32 35 3b 32 34 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 32 35 48 1b |[25;24H.[25;25H.| 00000a90 5b 32 35 3b 32 36 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 32 37 48 1b |[25;26H.[25;27H.| 00000aa0 5b 32 35 3b 32 38 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 32 39 48 1b |[25;28H.[25;29H.| 00000ab0 5b 32 35 3b 33 30 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 33 31 48 1b |[25;30H.[25;31H.| 00000ac0 5b 32 35 3b 33 32 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 33 33 48 1b |[25;32H.[25;33H.| 00000ad0 5b 32 35 3b 30 31 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 32 48 1b |[25;01H.[25;02H.| 00000ae0 5b 32 35 3b 30 33 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 34 48 1b |[25;03H.[25;04H.| ...and 5 more pages of similar patterns. If anyone would like to see them, please let me know. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Nov 1 17:14:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.networkiowa.com (ns1.networkiowa.com [209.234.64.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 666DC37B4CF for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from raccoon.com (dsl.72.145.networkiowa.com [209.234.72.145]) by ns1.networkiowa.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11134; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:22:25 -0600 Message-ID: <3A00BFE4.8D17D358@raccoon.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 19:14:12 -0600 From: John Lengeling X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nludban@pokey.salientsystems.com Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problems booting with serial console References: <3A00B57D.8A3E90F9@salientsystems.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Neil Ludban wrote: The 1b 5b 32 35 ... sequence are ANSI cursor positioning ESC codes. Your system it trying to draw something as if it was connected to a vt100/ANSI terminal. johnl > > 00000940 4d 42 52 0d 0a 52 65 6c 6f 63 61 74 69 6e 67 0d |MBR..Relocating.| > 00000950 0a 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 0d 0a 30 30 30 30 37 |.00000000..00007| > 00000960 63 30 30 0d 0a 2d 08 5c 08 7c 08 2f 08 2d 08 5c |c00..-.\.|./.-.\| > 00000970 08 7c 08 2f 08 2d 08 5c 08 7c 08 2f 08 2d 08 5c |.|./.-.\.|./.-.\| > * > 000009c0 08 7c 08 2f 08 2d 08 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 31 48 1b |.|./.-..[25;01H.| > 000009d0 5b 32 35 3b 30 32 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 33 48 1b |[25;02H.[25;03H.| > 000009e0 5b 32 35 3b 30 34 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 35 48 1b |[25;04H.[25;05H.| > 000009f0 5b 32 35 3b 30 36 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 37 48 1b |[25;06H.[25;07H.| > 00000a00 5b 32 35 3b 30 38 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 39 48 1b |[25;08H.[25;09H.| > 00000a10 5b 32 35 3b 31 30 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 31 31 48 1b |[25;10H.[25;11H.| > 00000a20 5b 32 35 3b 31 32 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 31 33 48 1b |[25;12H.[25;13H.| > 00000a30 5b 32 35 3b 31 34 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 31 35 48 1b |[25;14H.[25;15H.| > 00000a40 5b 32 35 3b 31 36 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 31 37 48 1b |[25;16H.[25;17H.| > 00000a50 5b 32 35 3b 31 38 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 31 39 48 1b |[25;18H.[25;19H.| > 00000a60 5b 32 35 3b 32 30 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 32 31 48 1b |[25;20H.[25;21H.| > 00000a70 5b 32 35 3b 32 32 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 32 33 48 1b |[25;22H.[25;23H.| > 00000a80 5b 32 35 3b 32 34 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 32 35 48 1b |[25;24H.[25;25H.| > 00000a90 5b 32 35 3b 32 36 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 32 37 48 1b |[25;26H.[25;27H.| > 00000aa0 5b 32 35 3b 32 38 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 32 39 48 1b |[25;28H.[25;29H.| > 00000ab0 5b 32 35 3b 33 30 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 33 31 48 1b |[25;30H.[25;31H.| > 00000ac0 5b 32 35 3b 33 32 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 33 33 48 1b |[25;32H.[25;33H.| > 00000ad0 5b 32 35 3b 30 31 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 32 48 1b |[25;01H.[25;02H.| > 00000ae0 5b 32 35 3b 30 33 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 34 48 1b |[25;03H.[25;04H.| > > ...and 5 more pages of similar patterns. If anyone would like to see them, > please let me know. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Nov 1 18:42:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from genius.systems.pavilion.net (genesis.tao.org.uk [194.242.131.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2250C37B4CF for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:42:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by genius.systems.pavilion.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 6ECF29B12; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 02:46:04 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 02:46:04 +0000 From: Josef Karthauser To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: PicoBSD ideas... Message-ID: <20001102024604.C32009@pavilion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, Lees House, 21-23 Dyke Road, Brighton, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm currently hacking on PicoBSD and have a couple of ideas that I'd like to run by you all before I commit them: * I believe that it make sense to build the PicoBSD sources in their own object directory, /usr/obj/picobsd/${TYPE}/usr/src, instead of over the top of /usr/obj/usr/src...? Quite often the build options of programs that we want on a PicoBSD disk are different from those in the main system. * One of the main problems with PicoBSD at the moment is that we can't pass compile flags to programs on a per program basis. This is because of missing functionality in crunchgen. In particular this means that we can't actually selectively compile out parts of programs that we don't want on a per config basis. A case in point is user-ppp. This has become very large over time as it's been able to deal with more and more things, most of which aren't required for the dial picobsd config for instance. On the otherhand it should be possible to compile in ATM support, for instance, if we want it. I've got a work around for this. It involves adding an extra configuration file to the crunch1/ subdirectory for a particular type. i.e: genius% pwd /usr/src/release/picobsd/build genius% cat buildopts.inc # $FreeBSD$ OPTS= -DNOPAM ppp_OPTS= -DNOKLDLOAD -DNOINET6 -DNONAT -DNOATM -DNOSUID -DHAVE_DES -DNORADIUS - DNOI4B -DNONETGRAPH #end OPTS is added to every program that is built, and the progname_OPTS are just added to that program. This allows much more customisation. I'll probably remove the generic ${CRUNCHFLAGS} from the build/ scripts and replace them with local customistations, if that makes sense to people here. Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? Technical Manager Viagra for your server (http://www.uk.freebsd.org) Pavilion Internet plc. [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Nov 1 18:44:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (c014-h003.c014.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 06F4B37B4CF for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:44:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 7670 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2000 18:18:54 -0800 Received: from 3ff8752c.dsl.flashcom.net (HELO figaro.flashcom.net) (63.248.117.44) by smtp.flashcom.net (209.228.12.67) with SMTP; 1 Nov 2000 18:18:54 -0800 X-Sent: 2 Nov 2000 02:18:54 GMT Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001101171720.00b13900@mail.flashcom.net> X-Sender: bwana@mail.flashcom.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 17:19:22 -0800 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG From: Tim O'Neil Subject: Re: problems booting with serial console In-Reply-To: <3A00BFE4.8D17D358@raccoon.com> References: <3A00B57D.8A3E90F9@salientsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 05:14 PM 11/1/00, johnl wrote: >Neil Ludban wrote: > >The 1b 5b 32 35 ... sequence are ANSI cursor positioning ESC codes. Your >system it trying to draw something as if it was connected to a vt100/ANSI >terminal. So can the ansi term control be turned off? Or can the output be formatted for a plain serial terminal? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Nov 2 1:36: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from isbalham.ist.co.uk (isbalham.ist.co.uk [192.31.26.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1440837B4C5 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:36:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by isbalham.ist.co.uk (8.9.2/8.8.7) with UUCP id JAA30095; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:35:48 GMT (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from [194.32.164.2] (eccles [194.32.164.2]) by seagoon.gid.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11605; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:31:32 GMT (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) X-Sender: rb@194.32.164.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001102024604.C32009@pavilion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:31:29 +0000 To: Josef Karthauser From: Bob Bishop Subject: Re: PicoBSD ideas... Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, At 02:46 +0000 2/11/00, Josef Karthauser wrote: >I'm currently hacking on PicoBSD and have a couple of ideas that >I'd like to run by you all before I commit them: >[etc] All sounds very sensible to me. Are you working against -CURRENT? -- Bob Bishop (0118) 977 4017 international code +44 118 rb@gid.co.uk fax (0118) 989 4254 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Nov 2 3: 5:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from genius.systems.pavilion.net (genesis.tao.org.uk [194.242.131.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ECF037B479 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 03:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by genius.systems.pavilion.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 3BBC49D15; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:09:04 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:09:04 +0000 From: Josef Karthauser To: Bob Bishop Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PicoBSD ideas... Message-ID: <20001102110904.A34708@pavilion.net> References: <20001102024604.C32009@pavilion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rb@gid.co.uk on Thu, Nov 02, 2000 at 09:31:29AM +0000 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, Lees House, 21-23 Dyke Road, Brighton, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Nov 02, 2000 at 09:31:29AM +0000, Bob Bishop wrote: > Hi, > > At 02:46 +0000 2/11/00, Josef Karthauser wrote: > >I'm currently hacking on PicoBSD and have a couple of ideas that > >I'd like to run by you all before I commit them: > >[etc] > > All sounds very sensible to me. > > Are you working against -CURRENT? Yes, and then I'll merge it back into -STABLE. Joe -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? 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[joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Nov 2 4: 1:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mailgw.barc.ernet.in (unknown [202.54.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C30A37B4F9 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 04:01:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from magnum.barc.ernet.in (magnum.barc.ernet.in [192.168.1.22]) by mailgw.barc.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15983 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:37:48 +0530 (IST) (envelope-from murthy@magnum.barc.ernet.in) Received: from magnum.barc.ernet.in (murthy1.barc.ernet.in [192.168.4.27]) by magnum.barc.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29985 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:28:26 +0530 Message-ID: <3A0157ED.D1A68B52@magnum.barc.ernet.in> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:32:53 +0530 From: "C.S.R.C.Murthy" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Configure IP address for ethernet interface Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello Dears, I have build picoBSD kernel that came as part of cvs repositry of FreeBSD-3.2 system. I made the kernel for router and copied the image to floppy. Iam able to boot the system(with two n/w interfaces). But the problem is, I edited the etc/rc file to give IP address to my n/w interfaces. But the system is not taking the values from the etc/rc file. It is not taking any system configuration string enternet in etc/rc file. In FreeBSD system the file is etc/rc.conf. Why it is different in picoBSD? And how do I set IP address. Any answer, please let me know. regards To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Nov 2 7:22:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.salientsystems.com (pokey.salientsystems.com [204.210.234.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5CB37B4C5 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 07:22:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from salientsystems.com (rusty [192.168.0.90]) by zippy.salientsystems.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02003; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:30:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from nludban@salientsystems.com) Message-ID: <3A01874F.E522C414@salientsystems.com> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:25:03 -0500 From: Neil Ludban Reply-To: nludban@pokey.salientsystems.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Lengeling Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problems booting with serial console References: <3A00B57D.8A3E90F9@salientsystems.com> <3A00BFE4.8D17D358@raccoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Now I'm even more puzzled... I looked up the escape sequence, and the 8 bytes from 1b to 48 are position cursor at line and column. So it's always going to line 25, and the column starts at 1 and increases, then starts over at 1. But it never actually prints anything between the escape sequences. Looking at the whole capture file, the ending columns are: 33 23 23 35 44 54 2 (repeated about 100 times) 36 2 (x100) 22 which looks a lot like the output from BTX loader, so I'll start looking through it to see if I can find out why it hangs there. But back to the original question, what's happening to the output between the escapes? --Neil John Lengeling wrote: > > Neil Ludban wrote: > > The 1b 5b 32 35 ... sequence are ANSI cursor positioning ESC codes. Your system it trying to draw something as if it was connected to a vt100/ANSI terminal. > > johnl > > > > > 00000940 4d 42 52 0d 0a 52 65 6c 6f 63 61 74 69 6e 67 0d |MBR..Relocating.| > > 00000950 0a 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 0d 0a 30 30 30 30 37 |.00000000..00007| > > 00000960 63 30 30 0d 0a 2d 08 5c 08 7c 08 2f 08 2d 08 5c |c00..-.\.|./.-.\| > > 00000970 08 7c 08 2f 08 2d 08 5c 08 7c 08 2f 08 2d 08 5c |.|./.-.\.|./.-.\| > > * > > 000009c0 08 7c 08 2f 08 2d 08 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 31 48 1b |.|./.-..[25;01H.| > > 000009d0 5b 32 35 3b 30 32 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 33 48 1b |[25;02H.[25;03H.| > > 000009e0 5b 32 35 3b 30 34 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 35 48 1b |[25;04H.[25;05H.| > > 000009f0 5b 32 35 3b 30 36 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 37 48 1b |[25;06H.[25;07H.| > > 00000a00 5b 32 35 3b 30 38 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 39 48 1b |[25;08H.[25;09H.| > > 00000a10 5b 32 35 3b 31 30 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 31 31 48 1b |[25;10H.[25;11H.| > > 00000a20 5b 32 35 3b 31 32 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 31 33 48 1b |[25;12H.[25;13H.| > > 00000a30 5b 32 35 3b 31 34 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 31 35 48 1b |[25;14H.[25;15H.| > > 00000a40 5b 32 35 3b 31 36 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 31 37 48 1b |[25;16H.[25;17H.| > > 00000a50 5b 32 35 3b 31 38 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 31 39 48 1b |[25;18H.[25;19H.| > > 00000a60 5b 32 35 3b 32 30 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 32 31 48 1b |[25;20H.[25;21H.| > > 00000a70 5b 32 35 3b 32 32 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 32 33 48 1b |[25;22H.[25;23H.| > > 00000a80 5b 32 35 3b 32 34 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 32 35 48 1b |[25;24H.[25;25H.| > > 00000a90 5b 32 35 3b 32 36 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 32 37 48 1b |[25;26H.[25;27H.| > > 00000aa0 5b 32 35 3b 32 38 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 32 39 48 1b |[25;28H.[25;29H.| > > 00000ab0 5b 32 35 3b 33 30 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 33 31 48 1b |[25;30H.[25;31H.| > > 00000ac0 5b 32 35 3b 33 32 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 33 33 48 1b |[25;32H.[25;33H.| > > 00000ad0 5b 32 35 3b 30 31 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 32 48 1b |[25;01H.[25;02H.| > > 00000ae0 5b 32 35 3b 30 33 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 34 48 1b |[25;03H.[25;04H.| > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Nov 2 14:23:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-178-14.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.178.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B56D37B4C5 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:23:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eA2MRlF01506; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:27:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200011022227.eA2MRlF01506@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: nludban@pokey.salientsystems.com Cc: John Lengeling , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problems booting with serial console In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:25:03 EST." <3A01874F.E522C414@salientsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:27:47 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think I've nuked your original message (sorry), but this looks like you have a BIOS running a screen-scraper video emulation, but don't have the bootstrap/loader actually aimed at the serial port. If that's the case, put -h in /boot.config on the boot disk and try again, or if you're not running with a filesystem, you'll need to tweak boot2 to set the default console to serial. > Now I'm even more puzzled... I looked up the escape sequence, and the 8 bytes > from 1b to 48 are position cursor at line and column. So it's always going to > line 25, and the column starts at 1 and increases, then starts over at 1. But > it never actually prints anything between the escape sequences. Looking at the > whole capture file, the ending columns are: > > 33 > 23 > 23 > 35 > 44 > 54 > 2 (repeated about 100 times) > 36 > 2 (x100) > 22 > > which looks a lot like the output from BTX loader, so I'll start looking through > it to see if I can find out why it hangs there. But back to the original > question, > what's happening to the output between the escapes? > > --Neil > > > > John Lengeling wrote: > > > > Neil Ludban wrote: > > > > The 1b 5b 32 35 ... sequence are ANSI cursor positioning ESC codes. Your system it trying to draw something as if it was connected to a vt100/ANSI terminal. > > > > johnl > > > > > > > > 00000940 4d 42 52 0d 0a 52 65 6c 6f 63 61 74 69 6e 67 0d |MBR..Relocating.| > > > 00000950 0a 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 0d 0a 30 30 30 30 37 |.00000000..00007| > > > 00000960 63 30 30 0d 0a 2d 08 5c 08 7c 08 2f 08 2d 08 5c |c00..-.\.|./.-.\| > > > 00000970 08 7c 08 2f 08 2d 08 5c 08 7c 08 2f 08 2d 08 5c |.|./.-.\.|./.-.\| > > > * > > > 000009c0 08 7c 08 2f 08 2d 08 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 31 48 1b |.|./.-..[25;01H.| > > > 000009d0 5b 32 35 3b 30 32 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 33 48 1b |[25;02H.[25;03H.| > > > 000009e0 5b 32 35 3b 30 34 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 35 48 1b |[25;04H.[25;05H.| > > > 000009f0 5b 32 35 3b 30 36 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 37 48 1b |[25;06H.[25;07H.| > > > 00000a00 5b 32 35 3b 30 38 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 39 48 1b |[25;08H.[25;09H.| > > > 00000a10 5b 32 35 3b 31 30 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 31 31 48 1b |[25;10H.[25;11H.| > > > 00000a20 5b 32 35 3b 31 32 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 31 33 48 1b |[25;12H.[25;13H.| > > > 00000a30 5b 32 35 3b 31 34 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 31 35 48 1b |[25;14H.[25;15H.| > > > 00000a40 5b 32 35 3b 31 36 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 31 37 48 1b |[25;16H.[25;17H.| > > > 00000a50 5b 32 35 3b 31 38 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 31 39 48 1b |[25;18H.[25;19H.| > > > 00000a60 5b 32 35 3b 32 30 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 32 31 48 1b |[25;20H.[25;21H.| > > > 00000a70 5b 32 35 3b 32 32 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 32 33 48 1b |[25;22H.[25;23H.| > > > 00000a80 5b 32 35 3b 32 34 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 32 35 48 1b |[25;24H.[25;25H.| > > > 00000a90 5b 32 35 3b 32 36 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 32 37 48 1b |[25;26H.[25;27H.| > > > 00000aa0 5b 32 35 3b 32 38 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 32 39 48 1b |[25;28H.[25;29H.| > > > 00000ab0 5b 32 35 3b 33 30 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 33 31 48 1b |[25;30H.[25;31H.| > > > 00000ac0 5b 32 35 3b 33 32 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 33 33 48 1b |[25;32H.[25;33H.| > > > 00000ad0 5b 32 35 3b 30 31 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 32 48 1b |[25;01H.[25;02H.| > > > 00000ae0 5b 32 35 3b 30 33 48 1b 5b 32 35 3b 30 34 48 1b |[25;03H.[25;04H.| > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Nov 3 7: 7:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.salientsystems.com (pokey.salientsystems.com [204.210.234.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF41537B4C5; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 07:07:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from salientsystems.com (rusty [192.168.0.90]) by zippy.salientsystems.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03947; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:16:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from nludban@salientsystems.com) Message-ID: <3A02D577.589FD8AE@salientsystems.com> Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 10:10:47 -0500 From: Neil Ludban Reply-To: nludban@pokey.salientsystems.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith Cc: John Lengeling , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problems booting with serial console References: <200011022227.eA2MRlF01506@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > I think I've nuked your original message (sorry), but this looks like you > have a BIOS running a screen-scraper video emulation, but don't have the > bootstrap/loader actually aimed at the serial port. > > If that's the case, put > > -h > > in /boot.config on the boot disk and try again, or if you're not running > with a filesystem, you'll need to tweak boot2 to set the default console > to serial. Yup, this got rid of the escape sequences. Actually, it got rid of everything. Rebuilding boot2 with the console on COM2 put it back to normal :-) It's now starting BTX (which also needs to be rebuilt for COM2), and says it's loading the kernel, then the whole system hangs. On to a new problem... Thanks for the help. --Neil To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Nov 4 10:54:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from jamus.xpert.com (jamus.xpert.com [199.203.132.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B7637B479 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:54:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from roman (helo=localhost) by jamus.xpert.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #5) id 13s8Sd-00028g-00; Sat, 04 Nov 2000 20:54:39 +0200 Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:54:39 +0200 (IST) From: Roman Shterenzon To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installer In-Reply-To: <20001104185357.A55993@mithrandr.moria.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > On Wed 2000-11-01 (22:27), Roman Shterenzon wrote: > > > 4.1.1.. I'm not sure how minimalistic you're looking for.. perhaps try > > > picobsd, that should be small enough for ya! > > PiboBSD is broken, no one seems to maintain it, and my patches weren't > > committed (or even considered I believe). > > The PicoBSD custom/make(1)-driven build on -CURRENT works just fine. > I can see Joe is fixing up the other builds. I'll soon (when the > buildworld finishes) have a RELENG_4 machine to test moving back my > changes on (the usual rules of passing through -CURRENT apply to PicoBSD > too). > > (Also, you might want to submit those patches through the PR system, > otherwise people forget. 'query-pr -O roman | grep -i picobsd' doesn't > return anything.) There's PR with most of my fixes (not by me) which didn't get committed, so I didn't feel that adding one more PR will help it any further. The make(1) way didn't work for me, perhaps I don't know how to use it, and it's not explained anywhere I looked. The "build" way is broken a bit. The thing is that while it's not severely broken, and fixing it requires some simple steps no one cares enough to do it. So, the point is, seems that noone cares about it any longer. The last commit to picobsd tree was months ago. --Roman Shterenzon, UNIX System Administrator and Consultant [ Xpert UNIX Systems Ltd., Herzlia, Israel. Tel: +972-9-9522361 ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Nov 4 12:38:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7119B37B4CF for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:38:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 84314 invoked by uid 1003); 4 Nov 2000 20:38:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 22:38:33 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Roman Shterenzon Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installer Message-ID: <20001104223833.A69048@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <20001104185357.A55993@mithrandr.moria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from roman@xpert.com on Sat, Nov 04, 2000 at 08:54:39PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386 X-URL: http://mithrandr.moria.org/nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat 2000-11-04 (20:54), Roman Shterenzon wrote: > The thing is that while it's not severely broken, and fixing it requires > some simple steps no one cares enough to do it. > So, the point is, seems that noone cares about it any longer. > The last commit to picobsd tree was months ago. Er, yeah, and those commits flying all day yesterday and the day before by Joe were months ago. The correct way to remind people is to simply post a polite reminder, preferably saying things like you've been running these patches for a while and haven't had any problems; not to say that noone cares. People forget, and people run out of time, and life is generally hectic, so try not to be hard on them and make them feel bad on purpose - they probably do care, but just need to be reminded to slot it into their timetable. Or, as in my case, may care but have lost the past few days (and in some areas, weeks) work (including a PicoBSD custom rejuvenation) to a failing hard drive, and wouldn't mind some, if not appreciation, then at least recognition for the amount of stuff they have juggle to contribute. Now, when my buildworld finishes successfully, if that ever happens, I'll look into it. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message