From owner-freebsd-small Sun Nov 5 4:37:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FF437B4C5; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 04:37:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id EAA74252; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 04:37:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 04:37:54 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011051237.EAA74252@freefall.freebsd.org> To: bonk1138@msn.com, joe@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org, joe@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: kern/20001: PicoBSD kernels fail to compile Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Synopsis: PicoBSD kernels fail to compile State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: joe State-Changed-When: Sun Nov 5 04:36:52 PST 2000 State-Changed-Why: They now compile on -current. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-small->joe Responsible-Changed-By: joe Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Nov 5 04:36:52 PST 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: I did the work. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20001 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Nov 5 4:41:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0BE37B479; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 04:41:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id EAA74615; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 04:41:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 04:41:22 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011051241.EAA74615@freefall.freebsd.org> To: peter.jeremy@ALCATEL.COM.AU, joe@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: kern/15870: PicoBSD Kernel link fails Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Synopsis: PicoBSD Kernel link fails State-Changed-From-To: open->feedback State-Changed-By: joe State-Changed-When: Sun Nov 5 04:39:04 PST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Recent changes have harnessed the 'make buildkernel' target, and I've not seen the bug mentioned here. Is it still an issue? http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=15870 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Nov 5 4:47:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0CCF37B4CF; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 04:47:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id EAA75201; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 04:47:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 04:47:36 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011051247.EAA75201@freefall.freebsd.org> To: domas.mituzas@delfi.lt, joe@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: bin/21840: more(1) is less(1) and that should be on PicoBSD too Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Synopsis: more(1) is less(1) and that should be on PicoBSD too State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed State-Changed-By: joe State-Changed-When: Sun Nov 5 04:45:12 PST 2000 State-Changed-Why: This has been fixed in -current, and just needs to be MFC'd. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=21840 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Nov 5 11: 9:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from garbage.dyn.wiw.org (unknown [203.197.42.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D27937B479 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 11:09:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by garbage.dyn.wiw.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00713 for freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 00:38:51 +0530 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:34:44 +0530 From: Vicky To: free-bsd-small@FreeBSD.org Subject: how do i make an embedded system using freebsd Message-ID: <20001102163444.A837@wiw.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am currently running picobsd on an old 486 machine as a small internet access client. I was wondering if anyone could help me on how I could go about designing an embedded system using picobsd. I have some old 486 motherboards and stuff so what type of chips do I need for example as a memory to put my embedded picoBSD on?? Also is there a way I could port the output to an 7 segment display or something. I really want to experiment with this sort of stuff and will be very grateful for any sort of help. regards Vicky To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Nov 5 13:55:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from alcanet.com.au (unknown [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E34A137B4D7; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:55:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <115215>; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:55:14 +1100 Content-return: prohibited Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 08:55:39 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: kern/15870: PicoBSD Kernel link fails In-reply-to: <200011051241.EAA74615@freefall.freebsd.org>; from joe@FreeBSD.ORG on Sun, Nov 05, 2000 at 04:41:22AM -0800 To: joe@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <00Nov6.095514est.115215@border.alcanet.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: <200011051241.EAA74615@freefall.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2000-Nov-05 04:41:22 -0800, joe@FreeBSD.ORG wrote: > Is it still an issue? I've not tried using the new build process (I actually haven't tried building a PicoBSD kernel for many months). At this stage, I don't have the time to verify the current status of this problem. If the relevant build process has changed, it's reasonably likely that the bug got cleaned up in the process. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 6 14:57:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D4B37B4D7 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:57:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eA6Mv3g04162 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:57:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA13502 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:57:03 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011062257.PAA13502@harmony.village.org> To: small@freebsd.org Subject: Looking for a small machine Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 15:57:03 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm looking for good sources of a small machines. I need the machine to be smaller than a mini-tower in size and able to run FreeBSD. I need to be able to put two or three nics into this machine, one of them needs to be ISA (pcmcia bridge). I'm looking for complete systems. Anybody got a good place to get stuff like this? My last supplier (of a 7"x3.5"x10" system) is 401 now (they are in bankruptcy and will likely not emerge). x86, at compat, blah blah blah. Needn't be fast, but fast enough to handle a 1Mbps pipe through it. Since I need 2 nics plus a wireless card, most laptops won't do :-(. Those that do are about $800 with their docking station. I was looking for a cheaper solution. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 6 15:13:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB5737B479 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:13:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eA6NCg920717; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:12:42 -0800 Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:12:42 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: Warner Losh Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Looking for a small machine Message-ID: <20001106151242.A19856@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <200011062257.PAA13502@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200011062257.PAA13502@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 03:57:03PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 03:57:03PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > > I'm looking for good sources of a small machines. I need the machine > to be smaller than a mini-tower in size and able to run FreeBSD. I > need to be able to put two or three nics into this machine, one of > them needs to be ISA (pcmcia bridge). I'm looking for complete > systems. Anybody got a good place to get stuff like this? My last > supplier (of a 7"x3.5"x10" system) is 401 now (they are in bankruptcy > and will likely not emerge). x86, at compat, blah blah blah. Needn't > be fast, but fast enough to handle a 1Mbps pipe through it. > > Since I need 2 nics plus a wireless card, most laptops won't do :-(. > Those that do are about $800 with their docking station. I was > looking for a cheaper solution. Wes Peters would be a good one to ask if he isn't on this list since DoBox is buying these sorts of systems to prototype their product. It looks like FIC sells one that would do (assuming you're ok with one NIC being builtin or buying duel/quad NICs). http://www.fica.com/products/systems/Databook/Sahara1000/Sahara1000.stm I think Wes has a slightly different solution with him, but it was from FIC, IIRC. I've got a Fujistu/Simens Scovery system I bought at auction that would fit the bill except for the ISA issue. I need to find the time to set it up as a PXE booting test box. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Nov 7 6:48:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from boolean.pc.my (unknown [202.190.165.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B6737B4C5 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 06:48:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (yus@localhost) by boolean.pc.my (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02594; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 22:45:41 +0800 (MYT) (envelope-from yus@boolean.pc.my) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 22:45:41 +0800 (MYT) From: Yusmar Yahaya To: Warner Losh Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Looking for a small machine In-Reply-To: <200011062257.PAA13502@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > I'm looking for good sources of a small machines. I need the machine > to be smaller than a mini-tower in size and able to run FreeBSD. I > need to be able to put two or three nics into this machine, one of > them needs to be ISA (pcmcia bridge). I'm looking for complete > systems. Anybody got a good place to get stuff like this? My last > supplier (of a 7"x3.5"x10" system) is 401 now (they are in bankruptcy > and will likely not emerge). x86, at compat, blah blah blah. Needn't > be fast, but fast enough to handle a 1Mbps pipe through it. > If you're looking for small size, I'd recommend the form factor or the SBC boards, they're as small as 6"x4" and Pentium supports. Try http://www.emjembedded.com - that's where I do most of my shopping for small devices. For small dc-dc converter (if you're thinking of running your box with a battery), try visit to www.parvus.com, and look for power-distribution 4 (or 5). hope that helps. -- ~Yusmar Yahaya [leafbug.net-gw.com] ...................................................................... http://pgp5.ai.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2C104046 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Nov 7 8:13:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from relay3.mail.uk.psi.net (relay3.mail.uk.psi.net [154.32.109.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C0037B4CF for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 08:13:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.plasmon.co.uk ([193.115.5.217]) by relay3.mail.uk.psi.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13tBNN-00049L-00 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:13:33 +0000 Received: from virgo.software.plasmon ([193.115.4.42]) by mail.plasmon.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) with SMTP id 80256990.0059494F; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:15:14 +0000 Received: from mail by virgo.software.plasmon with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13tBHa-000HS0-00 (FreeBSD); Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:07:34 +0000 Received: from dsw by panic.software.plasmon with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13tBPI-0001Kc-00 (Debian); Tue, 07 Nov 2000 16:15:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:15:32 +0000 From: Dave Swegen To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Moving from 3.0 to 4.1 Message-ID: <20001107161532.F1927@software.plasmon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! We're currently in the process of moving one of our products from 3.0 to 4.1, and it would seem that we also need to upgrade the install kernel we use in order to cope with the switch from wd based device names to ad based device names. The system we use currently is as follows: We use a bootp server which sends a kernel containing an MFS to the device, which is mounted via vn0. The system in the kernel then partions the HD, and requests tarballs which contain the system to be installed on the HD. The first problem we encountered was that the old 3.0 based system, despite being given 4.1 bootblocks to use failed to mount / , as it insisted on trying to mount a partiton on wd0, rather than ad0 (which had been detected during boot), and of course stopped with a device not configured failure. We therefore decided to try using a 4.1 kernel, with the same settings. Which is where we encountered the first problem. The "config kernel root on vn0" line we used is now obsolete, and the closest thing in LINT now is the 'options ROOTDEVNAME=\"mfs:vn0\"' line we are using at the moment. Add to this that MFS seems to have been replaced by MD (on which I can find very little information), and life has suddenly become...interesting :) At the moment the install fails either after reading the kernel from the bootp server, or fails to detect the server altogether. Anyway, I would much appreciate any pointers on what I might be doing wrong, and if any more information is required, let me know. Cheers Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Nov 7 12:41:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8F037B479; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 12:41:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id MAA77314; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 12:41:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 12:41:45 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011072041.MAA77314@freefall.freebsd.org> To: peter.jeremy@ALCATEL.COM.AU, joe@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org, joe@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: misc/15875: Incorrect permissions on PicoBSD /tmp directory Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Synopsis: Incorrect permissions on PicoBSD /tmp directory State-Changed-From-To: open->suspended State-Changed-By: joe State-Changed-When: Tue Nov 7 12:40:57 PST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed to -current. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-small->joe Responsible-Changed-By: joe Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Nov 7 12:40:57 PST 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'm responsible for this one now. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=15875 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Nov 7 14:14: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (c014-h003.c014.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7002837B4CF for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:14:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 744 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2000 14:13:59 -0800 Received: from nohost080.encommerce.com (HELO wscatoneil.flashcom.net) (166.90.168.80) by smtp.flashcom.net (209.228.12.67) with SMTP; 7 Nov 2000 14:13:59 -0800 X-Sent: 7 Nov 2000 22:13:59 GMT Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001107140919.00e0eef0@mail.flashcom.net> X-Sender: bwana@mail.flashcom.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 14:16:49 -0800 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org From: Tim O'Neil Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20001101093158.00a70dc0@mx1> References: <611C3E2A972ED41196EF0050DA92E07608F9B2@EXCHANGE2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 01:32 AM 11/1/00, you wrote: >Is it *REALLY* all that hard to read the last two lines appended to every >message that goes through this list? I think it really is. Every mail list I subscribe to gets about two to four commands sent to the list rather than the list server each day. Granted, not all of them have precise commands on how to un-subscribe from said list, but I have to wonder; if they can't figure out how to un-subscribe, how did they subscribe in the first place? Must be the buckshot approach to Murphy's Law or summat... -Tim =========================== Geek Code, v.7.777: +++0+++; Shoutout to fil, kreet0n, & Beth, the chicken is in the pot, repeat, the chicken is in the pot... rinse, repeat. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Nov 7 16: 2:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.qld.m2mtechnology.com (ns1.qld.m2mtechnology.com [203.24.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74AE737B479 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:02:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from hannama (ip132.qld.m2mtechnology.com [203.24.40.132]) by ns1.qld.m2mtechnology.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA90641; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 10:02:24 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <003b01c04917$2c6d2600$842818cb@gc.deepsky.net> From: "Andrew Hannam" To: "Dave Swegen" , References: <20001107161532.F1927@software.plasmon> Subject: Re: Moving from 3.0 to 4.1 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 10:02:22 +1000 Organization: FamZon Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Disposition-Notification-To: "Andrew Hannam" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think that the 3.0 wd devices and the new 4.X ad devices use the same major and minor numbers - try creating both sets of devices and each version of the OS should use the ones it thinks it needs to use. I use this scheme to boot one hard-drive with both a 3.4 and a 4.1 kernel (although there were a few more tricky things further on in the boot process for this one). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Swegen" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 2:15 AM Subject: Moving from 3.0 to 4.1 > Hi! We're currently in the process of moving one of our products from > 3.0 to 4.1, and it would seem that we also need to upgrade the install > kernel we use in order to cope with the switch from wd based device > names to ad based device names. The system we use currently is as > follows: > > We use a bootp server which sends a kernel containing an MFS to the > device, which is mounted via vn0. The system in the kernel then partions > the HD, and requests tarballs which contain the system to be installed > on the HD. > > The first problem we encountered was that the old 3.0 based system, > despite being given 4.1 bootblocks to use failed to mount / , as it > insisted on trying to mount a partiton on wd0, rather than ad0 (which > had been detected during boot), and of course stopped with a device not > configured failure. > > We therefore decided to try using a 4.1 kernel, with the same settings. > Which is where we encountered the first problem. The "config kernel root > on vn0" line we used is now obsolete, and the closest thing in LINT now > is the 'options ROOTDEVNAME=\"mfs:vn0\"' line we are using at > the moment. > > Add to this that MFS seems to have been replaced by MD (on which I can > find very little information), and life has suddenly > become...interesting :) > > At the moment the install fails either after reading the kernel from the > bootp server, or fails to detect the server altogether. > > Anyway, I would much appreciate any pointers on what I might be doing > wrong, and if any more information is required, let me know. > > Cheers > Dave > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Nov 7 18:33:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9036437B4C5; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:33:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id SAA30043; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:33:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:33:08 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200011080233.SAA30043@freefall.freebsd.org> To: domas.mituzas@delfi.lt, joe@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: bin/21840: more(1) is less(1) and that should be on PicoBSD too Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Synopsis: more(1) is less(1) and that should be on PicoBSD too State-Changed-From-To: analyzed->closed State-Changed-By: joe State-Changed-When: Tue Nov 7 18:32:32 PST 2000 State-Changed-Why: This has now been MFC'd. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=21840 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Nov 8 2:14: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from relay1.mail.uk.psi.net (relay1.mail.uk.psi.net [154.32.105.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22AF37B479 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 02:14:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.plasmon.co.uk ([193.115.5.217]) by relay1.mail.uk.psi.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13tSEq-0001by-00; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 10:13:52 +0000 Received: from virgo.software.plasmon ([193.115.4.42]) by mail.plasmon.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) with SMTP id 80256991.00385A19; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 10:15:30 +0000 Received: from mail by virgo.software.plasmon with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13tS93-000OhZ-00 (FreeBSD); Wed, 8 Nov 2000 10:07:53 +0000 Received: from dsw by panic.software.plasmon with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13tSGj-0001uc-00 (Debian); Wed, 08 Nov 2000 10:15:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 10:15:49 +0000 From: Dave Swegen To: Andrew Hannam Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Moving from 3.0 to 4.1 Message-ID: <20001108101549.A7000@software.plasmon> References: <20001107161532.F1927@software.plasmon> <003b01c04917$2c6d2600$842818cb@gc.deepsky.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <003b01c04917$2c6d2600$842818cb@gc.deepsky.net>; from famzon@bigfoot.com on Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 10:02:22AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 10:02:22AM +1000, Andrew Hannam wrote: > I think that the 3.0 wd devices and the new 4.X ad devices use the same > major and minor numbers - try creating both sets of devices and each version > of the OS should use the ones it thinks it needs to use. > I use this scheme to boot one hard-drive with both a 3.4 and a 4.1 kernel > (although there were a few more tricky things further on in the boot process > for this one). Thanks for the reply. So if I understand you correctly you have managed to boot a 4.x system using a 3.x kernel? The problem I encountered was that after the installing, the next boot the system would detect the ad devices, yet still try and boot / from the wd devices. Do you know exactly what it is that determines where to boot root from? Again, any help will be much appreciated. Cheers Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Nov 8 2:17:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from aardvark.ie (NW195-200.indigo.ie [194.125.195.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DC9D237B479 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 02:17:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9907 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2000 10:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nw195.aardvark.ie) (194.125.195.94) by -R with SMTP; 8 Nov 2000 10:17:39 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001108101652.038867b0@mx1> X-Sender: jerry@mx1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 10:17:35 +0000 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org From: Jerry Walsh Subject: Re: unsubscribing In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001107140919.00e0eef0@mail.flashcom.net> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20001101093158.00a70dc0@mx1> <611C3E2A972ED41196EF0050DA92E07608F9B2@EXCHANGE2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 14:16 07/11/00 -0800, Tim O'Neil wrote: >At 01:32 AM 11/1/00, you wrote: >>Is it *REALLY* all that hard to read the last two lines appended to every >>message that goes through this list? > >I think it really is. Every mail list I subscribe to >gets about two to four commands sent to the list >rather than the list server each day. Granted, not >all of them have precise commands on how to un-subscribe >from said list, but I have to wonder; if they can't >figure out how to un-subscribe, how did they subscribe >in the first place? Must be the buckshot approach to >Murphy's Law or summat... > >-Tim >=========================== >Geek Code, v.7.777: +++0+++; >Shoutout to fil, kreet0n, & Beth, >the chicken is in the pot, repeat, >the chicken is in the pot... >rinse, repeat. > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message ^ Looky here, a precise command on how to unsubscribe.. well holy smokes! J. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Nov 8 2:41:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from srcso.globis.ru (globis.ru [212.248.80.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C03B37B479 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 02:41:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from raduga.dyndns.org (raduga.sochi.net [212.248.82.76]) by srcso.globis.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12728 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 14:02:46 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from igor@raduga.dyndns.org) Received: (from igor@localhost) by raduga.dyndns.org (8.10.1/8.10.0) id eA8Af1r04500 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 13:41:01 +0300 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 13:41:01 +0300 From: Igor Roboul To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Can't build Pico?BSD :-( Message-ID: <20001108134101.A4446@linux.rainbow> Reply-To: igorr@crosswinds.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I use FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE (lastest 4.1.1 before 4.2-BETA) and I can't build 'net' version of PicoBSD. At first, it complains about source code for 'more'. I have replaced 'more' with 'less' in crunch.conf Build goes ok, until ld -dc -r -o minigzip.lo minigzip_stub.o /usr/obj/usr/src/usr.bin/minigzip/minigzip.o crunchide -k _crunched_minigzip_stub minigzip.lo cc -static -o crunch1 crunch1.o sh.lo test.lo echo.lo hostname.lo ln.lo login.lo getty.lo stty.lo inetd.lo telnetd.lo w.lo msg.lo kget.lo reboot.lo init.lo ifconfig.lo df.lo sps.lo ns.lo vm.lo cat.lo cp.lo rm.lo mknod.lo chmod.lo chown.lo mkdir.lo ls.lo syslogd.lo sysctl.lo route.lo pwd_mkdb.lo dev_mkdb.lo mount.lo mount_msdos.lo umount.lo kill.lo mount_std.lo natd.lo pwd.lo ppp.lo telnet.lo less.lo passwd.lo date.lo mount_cd9660.lo mount_nfs.lo ping.lo traceroute.lo routed.lo ipfw.lo minigzip.lo -lncurses -lmytinfo -lipx -lz -lpcap -lalias -lwrap -ledit -lutil -lmd -lcrypt -lmp -lgmp -lm -lkvm -lgnuregex -ltelnet -lradius ppp.lo(.data+0x654): undefined reference to `ether_Create' ppp.lo(.data+0x658): undefined reference to `ether_iov2device' ppp.lo(.data+0x65c): undefined reference to `ether_DeviceSize' traceroute.lo: In function `main': traceroute.lo(.text+0x798): undefined reference to `ipsec_strerror' traceroute.lo(.text+0x7ca): undefined reference to `ipsec_strerror' traceroute.lo(.text+0x974): undefined reference to `ipsec_strerror' traceroute.lo(.text+0x9a6): undefined reference to `ipsec_strerror' traceroute.lo: In function `setpolicy': traceroute.lo(.text+0xe69): undefined reference to `ipsec_set_policy' traceroute.lo(.text+0xe7e): undefined reference to `ipsec_get_policylen' traceroute.lo(.text+0xea4): undefined reference to `ipsec_strerror' *** Error code 1 -- Igor Roboul, Unix System Administrator & Programmer @ sanatorium "Raduga", Sochi, Russia http://www.brainbench.com/transcript.jsp?pid=304744 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Nov 8 3:31: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from genius.systems.pavilion.net (genesis.tao.org.uk [194.242.131.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B63A237B479 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 03:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by genius.systems.pavilion.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 3530F9B2D; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 11:34:38 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 11:34:38 +0000 From: Josef Karthauser To: igorr@crosswinds.net Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can't build Pico?BSD :-( Message-ID: <20001108113438.B85624@pavilion.net> References: <20001108134101.A4446@linux.rainbow> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001108134101.A4446@linux.rainbow>; from igor@raduga.dyndns.org on Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 01:41:01PM +0300 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, Lees House, 21-23 Dyke Road, Brighton, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Give this a day or so to settle. I'm just on the case of fixing this for the 4.2 release. I could do with a bit of help getting the various releases to fit on floppy though. [If you cvsup today you'll notice that I made a fair few changes last night to -stable]. Joe On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 01:41:01PM +0300, Igor Roboul wrote: > Hello, > I use FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE (lastest 4.1.1 before 4.2-BETA) and I can't build > 'net' version of PicoBSD. At first, it complains about source code > for 'more'. I have replaced 'more' with 'less' in crunch.conf > Build goes ok, until > > ld -dc -r -o minigzip.lo minigzip_stub.o /usr/obj/usr/src/usr.bin/minigzip/minigzip.o > crunchide -k _crunched_minigzip_stub minigzip.lo > cc -static -o crunch1 crunch1.o sh.lo test.lo echo.lo hostname.lo ln.lo login.lo getty.lo stty.lo inetd.lo telnetd.lo w.lo msg.lo kget.lo reboot.lo init.lo ifconfig.lo df.lo sps.lo ns.lo vm.lo cat.lo cp.lo rm.lo mknod.lo chmod.lo chown.lo mkdir.lo ls.lo syslogd.lo sysctl.lo route.lo pwd_mkdb.lo dev_mkdb.lo mount.lo mount_msdos.lo umount.lo kill.lo mount_std.lo natd.lo pwd.lo ppp.lo telnet.lo less.lo passwd.lo date.lo mount_cd9660.lo mount_nfs.lo ping.lo traceroute.lo routed.lo ipfw.lo minigzip.lo -lncurses -lmytinfo -lipx -lz -lpcap -lalias -lwrap -ledit -lutil -lmd -lcrypt -lmp -lgmp -lm -lkvm -lgnuregex -ltelnet -lradius > ppp.lo(.data+0x654): undefined reference to `ether_Create' > ppp.lo(.data+0x658): undefined reference to `ether_iov2device' > ppp.lo(.data+0x65c): undefined reference to `ether_DeviceSize' > traceroute.lo: In function `main': > traceroute.lo(.text+0x798): undefined reference to `ipsec_strerror' > traceroute.lo(.text+0x7ca): undefined reference to `ipsec_strerror' > traceroute.lo(.text+0x974): undefined reference to `ipsec_strerror' > traceroute.lo(.text+0x9a6): undefined reference to `ipsec_strerror' > traceroute.lo: In function `setpolicy': > traceroute.lo(.text+0xe69): undefined reference to `ipsec_set_policy' > traceroute.lo(.text+0xe7e): undefined reference to `ipsec_get_policylen' > traceroute.lo(.text+0xea4): undefined reference to `ipsec_strerror' > *** Error code 1 > > -- > Igor Roboul, Unix System Administrator & Programmer @ sanatorium "Raduga", > Sochi, Russia > http://www.brainbench.com/transcript.jsp?pid=304744 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message -- Josef Karthauser FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today? 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[joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Nov 8 13:27:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from axis.tdd.lt (axis.tdd.lt [193.219.211.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0345437B4C5 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 13:27:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (midom@localhost) by axis.tdd.lt (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eA8LRTf55871 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 23:27:29 +0200 (EET) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 23:27:29 +0200 (EET) From: Domas Mituzas X-Sender: midom@axis.tdd.lt To: small@freebsd.org Subject: PicoBSD: tailoring with axe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, in PicoBSD commit messages I found some truth mentioned - the images need a lot of tailoring with axe ;-) First of all, more was better. Less is big. More is small. Therefore, it would be great to add more (maybe taylored or tinyfied) to tinyware tree. Of course it's possible to import minix more, by obtaining even more free space. Moreover, I find pwd.db mechanism not usefull in PicoBSD environment, so plaintext authorisation would increase available space for about 80kb just by eliminating need of 40kbyte size databases (also it would reduce requirement of such utils as pwd_mkdb and passwd). Also the whole code of FreeBSD should have #ifdef checks for NOIPX, NOIPSEC, NOIPV6 etc, so it could be possible to decrease the size of floppy on a cost of unnecessary functionality. With respect, Domas Mituzas Systems administrator DELFI, UAB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Nov 8 15:23:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CD637B4D7 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 15:23:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19714; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 16:23:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200011082323.QAA19714@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: PicoBSD: tailoring with axe In-Reply-To: from Domas Mituzas at "Nov 8, 0 11:27:29 pm" To: midom@delfi.lt (Domas Mituzas) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 16:23:43 -0700 (MST) Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Domas Mituzas wrote: > First of all, more was better. Less is big. More is small. > Therefore, it would be great to add more (maybe taylored or tinyfied) > to tinyware tree. Of course it's possible to import minix more, by > obtaining even more free space. A couple of months ago, this topic came up. I rummaged in my collection of old stuff and found the 4.4BSD release. I put the source code to the original "more" on my FTP server. It's still there. ftp://ftp.dcfinc.com/pub/FreeBSD/old_more.tar -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Nov 9 14:39: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.registeredsite.com (mail3.registeredsite.com [209.35.159.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC5E37B4CF for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:39:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.thinserver.net ([64.225.15.74]) by mail3.registeredsite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31020; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 17:36:17 -0500 Received: from thinserver.net [64.223.208.51] by mail.thinserver.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id A77F7F6F0060; Thu, 09 Nov 2000 17:38:55 -0500 Message-ID: <3A0AEF53.2CA4F48A@thinserver.net> Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 18:39:16 +0000 From: support Reply-To: support@mail.thinserver.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chad@DCFinc.com, freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PicoBSD: tailoring with axe References: <200011082323.QAA19714@freeway.dcfinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Chad R. Larson" wrote: > As I recall, Domas Mituzas wrote: > > First of all, more was better. Less is big. More is small. > > Therefore, it would be great to add more (maybe taylored or tinyfied) > > to tinyware tree. Of course it's possible to import minix more, by > > obtaining even more free space. > > A couple of months ago, this topic came up. I rummaged in my > collection of old stuff and found the 4.4BSD release. I put the > source code to the original "more" on my FTP server. It's still > there. > > ftp://ftp.dcfinc.com/pub/FreeBSD/old_more.tar > > -crl > -- > Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? > chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net > DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message I use cat, and I only have to type 3 characters ;) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Nov 9 15:29: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB4137B479 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 15:29:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23131; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 16:29:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200011092329.QAA23131@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: PicoBSD: tailoring with axe In-Reply-To: <3A0AEF53.2CA4F48A@thinserver.net> from support at "Nov 9, 0 06:39:16 pm" To: support@mail.thinserver.net Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 16:29:04 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, support wrote: > "Chad R. Larson" wrote: > > > As I recall, Domas Mituzas wrote: > > > First of all, more was better. Less is big. More is small. > > > Therefore, it would be great to add more (maybe taylored or tinyfied) > > > to tinyware tree. Of course it's possible to import minix more, by > > > obtaining even more free space. > > > > A couple of months ago, this topic came up. I rummaged in my > > collection of old stuff and found the 4.4BSD release. I put the > > source code to the original "more" on my FTP server. It's still > > there. > > > > ftp://ftp.dcfinc.com/pub/FreeBSD/old_more.tar > > > > -crl > > -- > > Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? > > chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net > > DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > I use cat, and I only have to type 3 characters ;) Yes, but you have to be real fast on the cntl-s key if there is more than a screenfull. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Nov 9 19:56:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.attica.net.nz (mail.attica.net.nz [202.180.64.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E4FD837B479 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 19:56:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22686 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2000 03:56:10 -0000 Received: from 202-180-75-223.iff0.attica.net.nz (HELO davep200.afterswish.com) (202.180.75.223) by mail.attica.net.nz with SMTP; 10 Nov 2000 03:56:10 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.1.20001110164957.00a689e0@mail.afterswish.com> X-Sender: davep@mail.afterswish.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:50:47 +1300 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org From: David Preece Subject: HARD WRITE ERROR blk#111 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The above, on a CF card. Means the card's knackered, yes? Dave :( To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Nov 9 20:10:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E5937B479 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:10:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from billy-club.village.org (billy-club.village.org [10.0.0.3]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAA4Aog23481; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 21:10:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@billy-club.village.org) Received: from billy-club.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by billy-club.village.org (8.11.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id eAA4BiG21914; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 21:11:44 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200011100411.eAA4BiG21914@billy-club.village.org> To: David Preece Subject: Re: HARD WRITE ERROR blk#111 Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:50:47 +1300." <5.0.0.25.1.20001110164957.00a689e0@mail.afterswish.com> References: <5.0.0.25.1.20001110164957.00a689e0@mail.afterswish.com> Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 21:11:44 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <5.0.0.25.1.20001110164957.00a689e0@mail.afterswish.com> David Preece writes: : The above, on a CF card. Means the card's knackered, yes? Absent cabling problems, almost certainly. It has become a ROM. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Nov 10 8: 6:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (c014-h003.c014.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3800037B4C5 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:06:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 19063 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2000 07:51:44 -0800 Received: from 3ff8752c.dsl.flashcom.net (HELO figaro.flashcom.net) (63.248.117.44) by smtp.flashcom.net (209.228.12.67) with SMTP; 10 Nov 2000 07:51:44 -0800 X-Sent: 10 Nov 2000 15:51:44 GMT Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001110075057.00b15100@mail.flashcom.net> X-Sender: bwana@mail.flashcom.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:52:24 -0800 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org From: Tim O'Neil Subject: Re: PicoBSD: tailoring with axe In-Reply-To: <200011092329.QAA23131@freeway.dcfinc.com> References: <3A0AEF53.2CA4F48A@thinserver.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 03:29 PM 11/9/00, you wrote: > > I use cat, and I only have to type 3 characters ;) > >Yes, but you have to be real fast on the cntl-s key if there is more >than a screenfull. Right. If typing more than three letters is such an issue you can always alias more, to "mo" maybe? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message