From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 23 2:47:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tk212017119140.teleweb.at (TK212017119140.teleweb.at [212.17.119.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F6C41561D for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 02:47:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from georg@tk212017119140.teleweb.at) Received: (qmail 2078 invoked by uid 503); 23 Jan 2000 10:46:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:46:34 +0100 From: Georg Graf To: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: Re: How to make a floppy to boot a kernel on the hard disk? Message-ID: <20000123114634.A2072@tk212017119140.teleweb.at> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Stable List References: <200001222007.MAA29191@netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <200001222007.MAA29191@netcom.com>; from Stan Brown on Sat, Jan 22, 2000 at 03:07:40PM -0500 Mail-Followup-To: stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jan 22, 2000 at 03:07:40PM -0500, Stan Brown wrote: > > Problem i the machine is an old 486, and the disk I am trying to use is > a 20G. > I've read in an electronics catalogue there are "LBA enhancer cards". They cost approx. $25. I dont know how they word and what they do, though. -- Georg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 23 5:15:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from blaubaer.kn-bremen.de (blaubaer.kn-bremen.de [195.37.179.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDDC114A05 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 05:15:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nox@saturn.kn-bremen.de) Received: from saturn.kn-bremen.de (uucp@localhost) by blaubaer.kn-bremen.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id OAA08364; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 14:06:04 +0100 Received: (from nox@localhost) by saturn.kn-bremen.de (8.9.3/8.8.5) id NAA73794; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:02:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:02:19 +0100 (CET) From: Juergen Lock Message-Id: <200001231202.NAA73794@saturn.kn-bremen.de> To: Stan Brown , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Also-Posted-To: local.list.freebsd.stable Subject: Re: How to make a floppy to boot a kernel on the hard disk? References: <200001222122.QAA08111@loverso.southborough.ma.us> Distribution: local Organization: home X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <200001222122.QAA08111@loverso.southborough.ma.us>, John Robert LoVerso wrote: >I've done this in the past (such as for 3.3-RELEASE) by taking the fixit >floppy image, mounting it, and adding a /boot.config file that has the single >line: > >da(0,a)/boot/loader Although that won't work when the BIOS doesn't see the part of the disk where the root fs is, like in the case of the original poster. Then you can only load the kernel from the floppy and set the loader's currdev (or rootdev). Btw, i played with this a while ago and with a small hack even was able to boot from a SCSI disk with the SCSI BIOS turned off (see http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/mid.cgi?db=&id=19991212155932.A1107@saturn.kn-bremen.de ) and i then also made an FAQ entry, although it seems that one still isn't in. Regards, -- Juergen Lock (remove dot foo from address to reply) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 23 7:23:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hermes.mixx.net (concorde.mixx.net [212.84.196.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B53B14D3C for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 07:23:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from news-list.freebsd.stable@innominate.de) Received: from mate.bln.innominate.de (gatekeeper.innominate.de [212.5.16.129]) by hermes.mixx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D9A16D86B for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 16:23:54 +0100 (CET) Received: by mate.bln.innominate.de (Postfix, from userid 9) id 1AF792CA6C; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 16:23:54 +0100 (CET) From: returns2000@yahoo.com X-Newsgroups: innominate.bln.list.freebsd.stable Subject: FREE CASH, NO CATCH......... 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Member ID# gze543 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 23 8:36:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kot.ne.mediaone.net (kot.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.15.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A2314CEA for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 08:36:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Received: from rtfm.newton (mi@rtfm.newton [10.10.0.1]) by kot.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04102; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:36:09 -0500 (EST) From: Mikhail Teterin X-Relay-IP: 10.10.0.1 Received: (from mi@localhost) by rtfm.newton (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA43285; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:36:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Message-Id: <200001231636.LAA43285@rtfm.newton> Subject: Re: kern/13644 In-Reply-To: <000a01bf655e$314bb6c0$021d85d1@youwant.to> from David Schwartz at "Jan 22, 2000 08:56:21 pm" To: David Schwartz Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:36:08 -0500 (EST) Cc: Mikhail Teterin , stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7w hJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli" =FreeBSD: => ==> => If timeout is a non-nil pointer, it specifies a maximum => ==> => interval to wait for the selection to complete. = While the pthreads case is clearly a bug, in the other cases, =FreeBSD's behavior seems correct. The timeout is bounding the time we =wait for the selection to complete. However, the time to get back to =the task includes more than just the time spent waiting for the =selection to complete. It appears, that you, as well as other developers, speak from the implementation point of view. I only look at the man-page. The man page says, the time out is the UPPER limit. The pthread case is broken even further... Bruce, it appeared, tried to say the man-page is broken, while the implementation is correct, but remains silent despite me quoting all sorts of other man-pages from all sorts of other vendors, who all say (almost) the same thing: that the timeout is indeed the UPPER limit, and not the LOWER. -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 23 8:36:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20DED14E43; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 08:36:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ust@cert.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: ust@cert.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from mail1.siemens.de (mail1.siemens.de [139.23.33.14]) by david.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19052; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 17:36:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from mars.cert.siemens.de (ust.mchp.siemens.de [139.23.201.17]) by mail1.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20881; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 17:36:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from alaska.cert.siemens.de (reims.mchp.siemens.de [139.23.202.134]) by mars.cert.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/Siemens CERT [ $Revision: 1.3 ]) with ESMTP id RAA21809; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 17:36:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ust@alaska.cert.siemens.de) Received: (from ust@localhost) by alaska.cert.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/alaska [ $Revision: 1.3 ]) id QAA15143; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 16:36:29 GMT (envelope-from ust) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 17:36:29 +0100 From: Udo Schweigert To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-security@freebsd.org Subject: OpenSSH, login_getpath and /etc/login.conf Message-ID: <20000123173629.A858@alaska.cert.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, using OpenSSH I notcied that I get the following PATH when logging in via ssh: ~/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin This got at least one port (print/a2ps-a4 when installing) to fail due to this PATH-variable. I tried to examine this a little and noticed two facts: 1) With the default setting of "UseLogin no" in /usr/local/etc/sshd_config, sshd calls login_getpath() which does not expand the ~-chars. 2) With a setting of "UseLogin yes" this behavior disappears since login() calls setusercontext() which expands the ~-chars. The question to me is: is login_getpath() bugy or should OpenSSH use login() by default (I don't know a reason why not). If so, we should use the following replacement for patches/patch-ao in the port: --- sshd_config.orig Sun Jan 23 17:00:35 2000 +++ sshd_config Sun Jan 23 17:01:53 2000 @@ -3,12 +3,13 @@ Port 22 #ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 #ListenAddress :: -HostKey /etc/ssh_host_key +HostKey __PREFIX__/etc/ssh_host_key ServerKeyBits 768 -LoginGraceTime 600 +LoginGraceTime 60 KeyRegenerationInterval 3600 -PermitRootLogin yes -# +PermitRootLogin no +# Rate-limit sshd connections to 5 connections per 10 seconds +ConnectionsPerPeriod 5/10 # Don't read ~/.rhosts and ~/.shosts files IgnoreRhosts yes # Uncomment if you don't trust ~/.ssh/known_hosts for RhostsRSAAuthentication @@ -47,4 +48,4 @@ #KerberosTgtPassing yes #CheckMail yes -#UseLogin no +UseLogin yes Regards. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Udo Schweigert || Voice : +49 89 636 42170 Siemens AG, Siemens CERT || Fax : +49 89 636 41166 ZT IK 3 || email : Udo.Schweigert@mchp.siemens.de D-81730 Muenchen / Germany || : ust@cert.siemens.de PGP fingerprint || 2A 53 F6 A6 30 59 64 02 6B C4 E0 73 B2 C9 6C E7 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 23 11:10:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0DD14E0F for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:10:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rjoseph@nwlink.com) Received: from nwlink.com (ip87.r2.d.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.172.87]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06736; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:10:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <388B512B.BB0F03B4@nwlink.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:06:19 -0800 From: R Joseph Wright X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: returns2000@yahoo.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FREE CASH, NO CATCH......... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > This message is being send in conjuction with the anti-spam policy of AllAdvantage. AllAdvantage needs to rethink their spam policy then, don't they? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 23 11:48:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from queeg.ludd.luth.se (queeg.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04ED14C98 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:48:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pantzer@ludd.luth.se) Received: from speedy.ludd.luth.se (pantzer@speedy.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.164]) by queeg.ludd.luth.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01010; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 20:48:11 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200001231948.UAA01010@queeg.ludd.luth.se> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: David Schwartz , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kern/13644 In-Reply-To: Message from Mikhail Teterin of "Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:36:08 EST." <200001231636.LAA43285@rtfm.newton> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 20:48:11 +0100 From: Mattias Pantzare Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It appears, that you, as well as other developers, speak from the > implementation point of view. I only look at the man-page. The man page > says, the time out is the UPPER limit. The pthread case is broken even > further... > > Bruce, it appeared, tried to say the man-page is broken, while the > implementation is correct, but remains silent despite me quoting all > sorts of other man-pages from all sorts of other vendors, who all say > (almost) the same thing: > > that the timeout is indeed the UPPER limit, and not the LOWER. It is the upper limit. The kernel will put the program on the run queue when it noticeses that the time limit expires. The problem is simply that the kernel that has a lower resolution on it's scheduling than the clock that you are using, and that it takes time to do things on a noral CPU. From the man-page on solaris: whose members are 0, select() does not block. If the timeout argument is a null pointer, select() blocks until an event causes one of the masks to be returned with a valid (non- zero) value. If the time limit expires before any event occurs that would cause one of the masks to be set to a non-zero value, select() completes successfully and returns 0. Things will get even worse if your computer has a high CPU load or your process is on disk. By the way, solaris will do the same, but with a bit more precision, at least on sparc: Slept for 3452 instead of 2000 microseconds Slept for 9103 instead of 3000 microseconds Slept for 9955 instead of 4000 microseconds Slept for 9803 instead of 5000 microseconds Slept for 10136 instead of 6000 microseconds Slept for 9624 instead of 7000 microseconds Slept for 9964 instead of 8000 microseconds Slept for 9802 instead of 9000 microseconds Slept for 9880 instead of 10000 microseconds Slept for 20894 instead of 11000 microseconds Slept for 19450 instead of 12000 microseconds Slept for 19803 instead of 13000 microseconds Slept for 19731 instead of 14000 microseconds Slept for 19883 instead of 15000 microseconds Slept for 19887 instead of 16000 microseconds Slept for 19882 instead of 17000 microseconds And OSF1 on alpha: Slept for 2930 instead of 2000 microseconds Slept for 3906 instead of 3000 microseconds Slept for 4883 instead of 4000 microseconds Slept for 5859 instead of 5000 microseconds Slept for 6836 instead of 6000 microseconds Slept for 7813 instead of 7000 microseconds Slept for 8789 instead of 8000 microseconds Slept for 9766 instead of 9000 microseconds Slept for 10742 instead of 10000 microseconds Slept for 11719 instead of 11000 microseconds To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 23 15:52: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA7D714F9E for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 15:52:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@nasby.net) Received: from nasby.net (sysnasby@2.nasby.dsl.enteract.com [216.80.51.18]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05066 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 17:51:56 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jim@nasby.net) Message-ID: <388B941B.B06A784F@nasby.net> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 17:51:55 -0600 From: "Jim C. Nasby" Organization: distributed.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FREE CASH, NO CATCH......... References: <388B512B.BB0F03B4@nwlink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG R Joseph Wright wrote: > > > This message is being send in conjuction with the anti-spam policy of AllAdvantage. > > AllAdvantage needs to rethink their spam policy then, don't they? > Not to continue this thread, but he's full of crap. That post was clearly against AllAdvantage's spam policy, and I am emailing abuse@alladvantage.com about it. I imagine he will very soon lose his account. -- Jim C. Nasby (aka Decibel!) /^\ jim@nasby.net /___\ Freelance lighting designer and database developer / | \ Member: Triangle Fraternity, Sports Car Club of America /___|___\ Give your computer some brain candy! www.distributed.net Team #1828 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 23 16:43:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alcanet.com.au (mail.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056B114D5D; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 16:43:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <115214>; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:43:42 +1100 Content-return: prohibited From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: kern/13644 In-reply-to: <200001231636.LAA43285@rtfm.newton>; from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net on Mon, Jan 24, 2000 at 03:37:19AM +1100 To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <00Jan24.114342est.115214@border.alcanet.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <000a01bf655e$314bb6c0$021d85d1@youwant.to> <200001231636.LAA43285@rtfm.newton> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:43:41 +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2000-Jan-24 03:37:19 +1100, Mikhail Teterin wrote: >=> =FreeBSD: >=> ==> => If timeout is a non-nil pointer, it specifies a maximum >=> ==> => interval to wait for the selection to complete. ... >It appears, that you, as well as other developers, speak from the >implementation point of view. I only look at the man-page. The man page >says, the time out is the UPPER limit. Note that the man page talks about waiting for the _selection_ to complete. It does not refer to returning from the select(2) call. And the behaviour is exactly as documented: when the specified interval is complete, the process will return to the run queue for normal scheduling (if it hasn't previously found a ready FD). Unix is not a real-time OS, so once a process is in the run queue, an arbitrary period can expire before the process is actually run. The only cases where a select(2) (or poll(2)) system call will return before a specified period are: 1) A signal was received 2) One of the specified file descriptors became ready. >sorts of other man-pages from all sorts of other vendors, who all say >(almost) the same thing: > > that the timeout is indeed the UPPER limit, and not the LOWER. Please provide a test program and results from these other vendors demonstrating that their select() will return before the specified time limit in the absence of any other event. It's probably worthwhile adding a comment to select(2) similar to that in sleep(3), noting that "system activity may lengthen the sleep by an indeterminate amount." Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 23 21:34:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (port-7-12.adsl.one.net [216.23.15.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97F1152B5 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 21:34:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.apt (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20753; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:05:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:05:41 -0500 From: Coleman Kane To: returns2000@yahoo.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FREE CASH, NO CATCH......... Message-ID: <20000123110541.A20734@evil.2y.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from returns2000@yahoo.com on Sun, Jan 23, 2000 at 10:24:42AM -0500 X-Vim: vim:tw=70:ts=4:sw=4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG wtf is this? You can't even use this software on freebsd. --cokane returns2000@yahoo.com had the audacity to say: > This message is being send in conjuction with the anti-spam policy of AllAdvantage. > If you received this message unwillingly, please accept my most sincere apologies. > To be taken from this list simply respond to this message. Thank you. > > > Subject: Did I tell you about AllAdvantage.com? > > Hi, > > Maybe I haven't told you yet, but I get paid to surf the Web. 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(From FreeBSD HandBook 9.3.6.) */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 0: 9:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gvr.gvr.org (gvr.gvr.org [194.151.74.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6BF1505A; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 00:09:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from guido@gvr.org) Received: by gvr.gvr.org (Postfix, from userid 657) id D2DE5A843; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:09:33 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:09:33 +0100 From: Guido van Rooij To: Brett Glass Cc: Mikhail Teterin , Darren Reed , Warner Losh , jamiE rishaw - master e*tard , Tom , Mike Tancsa , freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bugtraq posts: stream.c - new FreeBSD exploit? Message-ID: <20000124090933.A19088@gvr.gvr.org> References: <200001210421.PAA25285@cairo.anu.edu.au> <200001210531.AAA26807@rtfm.newton> <4.2.2.20000120223838.019309d0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000120223838.019309d0@localhost>; from Brett Glass on Thu, Jan 20, 2000 at 10:43:57PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jan 20, 2000 at 10:43:57PM -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > Unfortunately, no. IPFW is stateless (at least from packet > to packet). This makes it compact and fast but unable to > detect or handle some situations by itself. > > You could write a daemon that hung off of a divert(4) > socket (as natd does) to do this, but serious juju would > be required. > The current way heart of the TCP stateful filtering engine in ipfilter was designed by me. I am preparing an article on it which will be preseneted at the European SANE conference (http://www.nluug.nl/events/sane2000/index.html). Once my article is ready you can probably easily use it to make such a east for ipfw. -Guido in To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 1:34:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inr.net (mail.inr.net [198.77.208.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9EC815116 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 01:34:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mylists@inr.net) Received: from wakko (wakko.inr.net [198.77.208.4]) by mail.inr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA43763; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 04:34:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000124043423.009ac550@mail.inr.net> X-Sender: mylists@mail.inr.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 04:34:23 -0500 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: "N.B. DelMore" Subject: Re: Multiple IP addresses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just a couple of questions concerning multiple IP's. In searching through the archives I've seen references to binding the addresses to the NIC as well as the loopback, which is the proper method? The scenario I have setup is as follows, the server (xl0) has been assigned the IP address of yyy.yyy.yyy.8 and the I route an entire Class C to that interface in the router, e.g. ip route xxx.xxx.xxx.0 255.255.255.0 yyy.yyy.yyy.8 I then added an entry in /etc/rc.local to run the following shell script: #!/bin/sh /sbin/ifconfig lo0 xxx.xxx.xxx.0 netmask 0xffffff00 alias /sbin/ifconfig lo0 xxx.xxx.xxx.1 netmask 0xffffffff alias /sbin/ifconfig lo0 xxx.xxx>xxx.2 netmask 0xffffffff alias through /sbin/ifconfig lo0 198.77.215.255 netmask 0xffffffff alias According to the feedback I recently received from Eric Futch , who was kind enough to respond privately to clarify his recent post, this (same) script if named /etc/start_if.lo0 will be run auto-magically on boot by rc.network. To recap, my questions are, which interface should be used to bind the ip's to and is it acceptable to bind .0 and .255 to the interface although by convention they shouldn't be used for anything. You feedback is greatly appreciated. Thanks Noel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 2:23:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.nyct.net (bsd4.nyct.net [204.141.86.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C40F15116 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 02:23:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from efutch@nyct.net) Received: from bsd1.nyct.net (efutch@bsd1.nyct.net [204.141.86.3]) by mail.nyct.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA05736; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 05:23:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from efutch@nyct.net) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 05:23:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Eric D. Futch" To: "N.B. DelMore" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Multiple IP addresses In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000124043423.009ac550@mail.inr.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The method you use to get the IP addreses in there is pretty much up to you. I like the /etc/start_if. method. The interface you want to bind the IP addresses to is probably the Ethernet inferface (xl0) (unless you're doing strange things with loopback (lo0).. and that's up to you :) or I just missed some details). Using IP addresses that end in 0 and 255 gets you a big slap on the wrist where I work hehe. We generally try to avoid them to prevent any headache. Hope I understood everything here correctly. -- Eric Futch New York Connect.Net, Ltd. efutch@nyct.net Technical Support Staff http://www.nyct.net (212) 293-2620 "Bringing New York The Internet Access It Deserves" On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, N.B. DelMore wrote: >Just a couple of questions concerning multiple IP's. In searching through >the archives I've seen references to binding the addresses to the NIC as >well as the loopback, which is the proper method? > >The scenario I have setup is as follows, the server (xl0) has been assigned >the IP address of yyy.yyy.yyy.8 and the I route an entire Class C to that >interface in the router, e.g. >ip route xxx.xxx.xxx.0 255.255.255.0 yyy.yyy.yyy.8 > >I then added an entry in /etc/rc.local to run the following shell script: > >#!/bin/sh > >/sbin/ifconfig lo0 xxx.xxx.xxx.0 netmask 0xffffff00 alias >/sbin/ifconfig lo0 xxx.xxx.xxx.1 netmask 0xffffffff alias >/sbin/ifconfig lo0 xxx.xxx>xxx.2 netmask 0xffffffff alias > >through > >/sbin/ifconfig lo0 198.77.215.255 netmask 0xffffffff alias > >According to the feedback I recently received from Eric Futch >, who was kind enough to respond privately to clarify his >recent post, this (same) script if named /etc/start_if.lo0 will be run >auto-magically on boot by rc.network. > >To recap, my questions are, which interface should be used to bind the ip's >to and is it acceptable to bind .0 and .255 to the interface although by >convention they shouldn't be used for anything. > >You feedback is greatly appreciated. > >Thanks >Noel > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 2:44: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtppzh.pzh.nl (webshield.pzh.nl [194.178.168.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B39471524A for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 02:44:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from MULHUIJZEN@PZH.NL) Received: FROM smtp.pzh.nl BY smtppzh.pzh.nl ; Mon Jan 24 11:42:53 2000 0000 Received: from PZH40-1-Message_Server by smtp.pzh.nl with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:42:59 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:42:32 +0100 From: "ROGIER MULHUIJZEN" To: , Subject: Re: Multiple IP addresses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Just a couple of questions concerning multiple IP's. In searching through >the archives I've seen references to binding the addresses to the NIC as >well as the loopback, which is the proper method? You might be able to bind an IP address to more than one interface, but if neither is loopback, I'm not sure if it would work. I wouldn't even know why you would want that because both sides would have to be on the same subnet, and thus on the same physical network (unless the machine in question is a bridge....) I at least got a message from my kernel that the IFA (I'm guessing interface address) changed... so I'm going out on a limb here saying that it wouldn't work. Now if one of the two interfaces is loopback (lo0) any traffic from the localhost to the IP is routed through lo0 anyways so why even bind it to your loopback? (ping a machines own IP and look at the 'netstat -rn' output) >The scenario I have setup is as follows, the server (xl0) has been assigned >the IP address of yyy.yyy.yyy.8 and the I route an entire Class C to that >interface in the router, e.g. >ip route xxx.xxx.xxx.0 255.255.255.0 yyy.yyy.yyy.8 >To recap, my questions are, which interface should be used to bind the ip's >to and is it acceptable to bind .0 and .255 to the interface although by >convention they shouldn't be used for anything. You have a machine which you want to respond to every single IP in a class C subnet. So you bind every single IP to the NIC interface... /sbin/ifconfig xl0 inet 198.77.215.1 netmask 0xffffff00 alias /sbin/ifconfig xl0 inet 198.77.215.2 netmask 0xffffffff alias /sbin/ifconfig xl0 inet 198.77.215.3 netmask 0xffffffff alias ... through to ... /sbin/ifconfig xl0 inet 198.77.215.253 netmask 0xffffffff alias /sbin/ifconfig xl0 inet 198.77.215.254 netmask 0xffffffff alias Now you could bind them all to lo0, but why would you want to? Every single one of those IP's will get a route through lo0 as soon as you use them from localhost. But a better way might be to give one of the IP addresses to the router and let it do the routing for you. This will save you a whole hop, and might make things just a tad easier for your machine to run. Also if you ever want to offload a few of the IPs to other machines on the same ethernet segment you would have to switch all of the other IPs from lo0 to xl0 anyways. >I then added an entry in /etc/rc.local to run the following shell script: >#!/bin/sh >/sbin/ifconfig lo0 xxx.xxx.xxx.0 netmask 0xffffff00 alias >/sbin/ifconfig lo0 xxx.xxx.xxx.1 netmask 0xffffffff alias >/sbin/ifconfig lo0 xxx.xxx>xxx.2 netmask 0xffffffff alias >through >/sbin/ifconfig lo0 198.77.215.255 netmask 0xffffffff alias >According to the feedback I recently received from Eric Futch >, who was kind enough to respond privately to clarify his >recent post, this (same) script if named /etc/start_if.lo0 will be run >auto-magically on boot by rc.network. Or use the following syntax in rc.conf network_interfaces="lo0 xl0" ifconfig_lo0="inet 127.0.0.1" ifconfig_xl0="inet yyy.yyy.yyy.8 netmask 0xffffff00" ifconfig_xl0_alias0="inet xxx.xxx.xxx.1 netmask 0xffffff00" ifconfig_xl0_alias1="inet xxx.xxx.xxx.2 netmask 0xffffffff" ifconfig_xl0_alias2="inet xxx.xxx.xxx.3 netmask 0xffffffff" ....through to.... ifconfig_xl0_alias252="inet xxx.xxx.xxx.253 netmask 0xffffffff" ifconfig_xl0_alias253="inet xxx.xxx.xxx.254 netmask 0xffffffff" Now on the use of xxx.xxx.xxx.0 and xxx.xxx.xxx.255 in a class C subnet. xxx.xxx.xxx.255 is a definate NO NO. in a class C subnet it's the broadcast address, believe me when I tell you you will get all sorts of trouble when you use it as an IP. Every single IP with netmask 0xffffff00 on the same subnet will respond to it (in your case only xxx.xxx.xxx.1 but that might change). Things get messy. Now xxx.xxx.xxx.0 is a different story. It's the subnet identifier. Some OSs accept it as a valid IP, others don't. I'm not up to speed on what the exact definition is for it, but "It's a good idea" (tm) not to use it. Also, xxx.xxx.xxx.1 is by convention the default gateway for a subnet. It's one of the things that you are free in whether to use it or not, but it's common to do so. I hope this answers your questions, and that I haven't bungled anything in my reply (but I'm sure someone will point out any mistakes I made...). DocWilco To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 2:49: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtppzh.pzh.nl (webshield.pzh.nl [194.178.168.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D64D214C09 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 02:49:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from MULHUIJZEN@PZH.NL) Received: FROM smtp.pzh.nl BY smtppzh.pzh.nl ; Mon Jan 24 11:48:04 2000 0000 Received: from PZH40-1-Message_Server by smtp.pzh.nl with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:48:10 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:47:59 +0100 From: "ROGIER MULHUIJZEN" To: , Subject: Re: Multiple IP addresses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >The scenario I have setup is as follows, the server (xl0) has been assigned >the IP address of yyy.yyy.yyy.8 and the I route an entire Class C to that >interface in the router, e.g. >ip route xxx.xxx.xxx.0 255.255.255.0 yyy.yyy.yyy.8 BTW, I'm just being curious here, why would you want to bind an entire class C subnet to a single machine? To me it seems like a total waste of precious real estate (until IPv6 becomes the standard). DocWilco To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 4:59:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from stingray.cybertek.co.id (stingray.cybertek.co.id [202.46.2.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B2314BEF for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 04:59:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arief@cybertek.co.id) Received: from localhost (arief@localhost) by stingray.cybertek.co.id (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA28492 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:54:53 +0700 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:54:53 +0700 (JAVT) From: "M. Arief Dharmawan" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 5:16:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (port-3-212.adsl.one.net [216.2.0.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A76C814CF7 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 05:16:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22736; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:18:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:18:46 -0500 From: Coleman Kane To: ROGIER MULHUIJZEN Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, mylists@inr.net Subject: Re: Multiple IP addresses Message-ID: <20000124081846.A22713@evil.2y.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from MULHUIJZEN@PZH.NL on Mon, Jan 24, 2000 at 05:53:19AM -0500 X-Vim: vim:tw=70:ts=4:sw=4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Easy. To build a firewall of machines that you still want to map unique internet IPs to. I use a nice AMD 5x86 160 to do the job, with OpenBSD. It works rather nicely. I am given 8 IP#'s by my DSL ISP, after broadcast, network, and router that number goes down to 5. I basically map everything through one box and have a sever on the outside, we have an internal network where nome machines get mapped by NAT and three get a dedicated IP mapping. It's like this: 172.16.0.9 ---\ 10.131.21.178 --\ 172.16.0.10 --->172.16.0.1 <-> 10.131.21.179 ---> 10.131.21.177 --> Outside 172.16.0.39---/ 10.131.21.180 --/ ^ 10.131.21.182 -/ 10.131.21.181 Server, outside firewall All the addresses 10.131.21.177-10.131.21.182 are addresses my ISP maps directly to outside internet addresses. I have the four above mapped to one ethernet port of the firewall, and have it map certain IP's to them, 172.16.0.9-172.16.0.11. Of course, there is no .11 above, but you get the idea. Anything out of that range simply uses NAT. I also have DHCP set up to automatically assign certain IPs based on ethernet HW ID, but that's a story for another time.... --cokane ROGIER MULHUIJZEN had the audacity to say: > >The scenario I have setup is as follows, the server (xl0) has been > assigned > >the IP address of yyy.yyy.yyy.8 and the I route an entire Class C to > that > >interface in the router, e.g. > >ip route xxx.xxx.xxx.0 255.255.255.0 yyy.yyy.yyy.8 > > BTW, I'm just being curious here, why would you want to bind an entire > class C subnet to a single machine? To me it seems like a total waste of > precious real estate (until IPv6 becomes the standard). > > DocWilco > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 7:25:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay02.chello.nl (relay02.chello.nl [212.83.68.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A220C15201 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 07:25:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j.bulten@chello.nl) Received: from daedalus ([212.187.68.53]) by relay02.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license a4501b83b68dc3e36f6046e1d8586abe) with SMTP id <20000124152507.HIKX7278.relay02@daedalus> for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:25:07 +0100 Message-ID: <005b01bf6680$b29f61e0$0200a8c0@chello.nl> From: "Jeroen Bulten" To: Subject: weird crashes Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:35:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I co-admin a freebsd box running a mysql and webserver for two internet sites, each getting about 15.000 hits a day. Lately, we've been experiencing weird crashes where the box seems to run out of cache memory (100MB) while there's plenty of conventional memory ( 768 MB) available. Any hints? t.i.a. jeroen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 7:32: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server1.huntsvilleal.com (www.huntsvilleal.com [207.13.224.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F3C15145 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 07:32:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hiwaay.net) Received: from barricuda.bsd.nws.net (kris.huntsvilleal.com [207.13.224.46]) by server1.huntsvilleal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10724; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:22:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barricuda.bsd.nws.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06464; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:31:56 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kris@hiwaay.net) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:31:55 -0600 (CST) From: Kris Kirby To: Stan Brown Cc: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: Re: How to make a floppy to boot a kernel on the hard disk? In-Reply-To: <200001222007.MAA29191@netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Problem i the machine is an old 486, and the disk I am trying to use is > a 20G. IDE or SCSI? --- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "God gave them the ability to reproduce... ... Science gave us the hope they won't." -KBK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 7:36:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtppzh.pzh.nl (webshield.pzh.nl [194.178.168.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B63F14C0F for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 07:36:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from MULHUIJZEN@PZH.NL) Received: FROM smtp.pzh.nl BY smtppzh.pzh.nl ; Mon Jan 24 16:34:58 2000 0000 Received: from PZH40-1-Message_Server by smtp.pzh.nl with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:35:04 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:34:34 +0100 From: "ROGIER MULHUIJZEN" To: , Subject: Re: weird crashes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What version of FreeBSD are you running, and can you show some messages from logs? DocWilco >>> "Jeroen Bulten" 01/24 4:35 PM >>> Hi, I co-admin a freebsd box running a mysql and webserver for two internet sites, each getting about 15.000 hits a day. Lately, we've been experiencing weird crashes where the box seems to run out of cache memory (100MB) while there's plenty of conventional memory ( 768 MB) available. Any hints? t.i.a. jeroen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 8: 6:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay02.chello.nl (relay02.chello.nl [212.83.68.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB0614D6D for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:06:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j.bulten@chello.nl) Received: from daedalus ([212.187.68.53]) by relay02.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license a4501b83b68dc3e36f6046e1d8586abe) with SMTP id <20000124160627.HNKB7278.relay02@daedalus> for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:06:27 +0100 Message-ID: <006401bf6686$78e222c0$0200a8c0@chello.nl> From: "Jeroen Bulten" To: References: Subject: Re: weird crashes Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:17:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: ROGIER MULHUIJZEN To: ; Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 4:34 PM Subject: Re: weird crashes > What version of FreeBSD are you running, and can you show some messages > from logs? > > DocWilco > > >>> "Jeroen Bulten" 01/24 4:35 PM >>> > Hi, > > I co-admin a freebsd box running a mysql and webserver for two > internet > sites, each getting about 15.000 hits a day. Lately, we've been > experiencing > weird crashes where the box seems to run out of cache memory (100MB) > while > there's plenty of conventional memory ( 768 MB) available. > > Any hints? > > t.i.a. > jeroen > Sorry. I was in a bit of a hurry when i posted the first message. I will provide a bit more info. The server is a dual Pentium III 450 with 768MB memory and 12GB HD. It is running FreeBSD 3.3 with Apache 1.3.9 (mod_php compiled in) and a perl 5.005_03 external interpreter. An important part of both sites is the UBB forum, which we will soon replace by a php forum with mysql backend because UBB is a giant hog on server resources (especially two of them). The server load can become very high especially in the early evening, but as i mentioned before this seems to be due to the server running out of swap space before running out of conventional memory. This was in /var/log/messages right after the crash (after it had come up again of course :) Jan 24 10:11:04 sebulba /kernel: pid 44034 (perl), uid 65534: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Jan 24 10:11:07 sebulba /kernel: pid 44038 (perl), uid 65534: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Jan 24 10:11:08 sebulba /kernel: pid 44039 (perl), uid 65534: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Jan 24 10:11:08 sebulba /kernel: pid 44037 (perl), uid 65534: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Jan 24 10:11:09 sebulba /kernel: pid 44041 (perl), uid 65534: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Jan 24 10:11:11 sebulba /kernel: pid 293 (mysqld), uid 0, was killed: out of swap space (and many more of the same) jeroen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 8: 8:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from thehousleys.net (frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.96.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D923E15201 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:08:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Received: from thehousleys.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thehousleys.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13002; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:08:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Message-ID: <388C78FF.8F116822@thehousleys.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:08:31 -0500 From: "James E. Housley" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ROGIER MULHUIJZEN Cc: j.bulten@chello.nl, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: weird crashes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ROGIER MULHUIJZEN wrote: > > What version of FreeBSD are you running, and can you show some messages > from logs? > > DocWilco > > >>> "Jeroen Bulten" 01/24 4:35 PM >>> > Hi, > > I co-admin a freebsd box running a mysql and webserver for two > internet > sites, each getting about 15.000 hits a day. Lately, we've been > experiencing > weird crashes where the box seems to run out of cache memory (100MB) > while > there's plenty of conventional memory ( 768 MB) available. > I would say "Increase the size of the swap file". As a short term simple test add another drive and use it as a second swap file. The old <500 Meg IDE are usually sitting in trash cans, due to size. And are a great size for a simple test. Jim -- "The box said 'Requires Windows 95, NT, or better,' so I installed FreeBSD" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 8:11:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kci.kciLink.com (kci.kciLink.com [204.117.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D473E15CF4 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:11:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: from onceler.kcilink.com (onceler.kciLink.com [204.117.82.2]) by kci.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE58E8A4 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from khera@localhost) by onceler.kcilink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA43101; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:11:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from khera@kci.kcilink.com) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14476.31150.689748.108097@onceler.kcilink.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:11:26 -0500 (EST) To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kern/13644 In-Reply-To: <200001231948.UAA01010@queeg.ludd.luth.se> References: <200001231636.LAA43285@rtfm.newton> <200001231948.UAA01010@queeg.ludd.luth.se> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 8) "Bryce Canyon" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "MP" == Mattias Pantzare writes: MP> The problem is simply that the kernel that has a lower resolution on it's MP> scheduling than the clock that you are using, and that it takes time to do MP> things on a noral CPU. Plus the fact that FreeBSD is *not* a real-time OS, so any time guarantees are not really guarantees, just suggestions. If you want hard real-time constraints, you'll need to use a real-time OS. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 8:11:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay02.chello.nl (relay02.chello.nl [212.83.68.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8E1150FF for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:11:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j.bulten@chello.nl) Received: from daedalus ([212.187.68.53]) by relay02.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license a4501b83b68dc3e36f6046e1d8586abe) with SMTP id <20000124161132.HOAO7278.relay02@daedalus> for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:11:32 +0100 Message-ID: <006a01bf6687$2e737580$0200a8c0@chello.nl> From: "Jeroen Bulten" To: References: Subject: Re: weird crashes Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:22:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hmm... just found this in /var/log/messages: Jan 24 08:10:59 sebulba /kernel: wd0: interrupt timeout (status 58 error 1) Jan 24 08:10:59 sebulba /kernel: wd0: wdtimeout() DMA status 4 Jan 24 10:11:03 sebulba /kernel: swap_pager: out of swap space jeroen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 8:15:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtppzh.pzh.nl (webshield.pzh.nl [194.178.168.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CAB6114A2D for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:14:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from MULHUIJZEN@PZH.NL) Received: FROM smtp.pzh.nl BY smtppzh.pzh.nl ; Mon Jan 24 17:13:24 2000 0000 Received: from PZH40-1-Message_Server by smtp.pzh.nl with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:13:29 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:12:55 +0100 From: "ROGIER MULHUIJZEN" To: Cc: Subject: Re: weird crashes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Also, what cache is this? webserver's cache, mysql's cache FreeBSD's cache? > > I co-admin a freebsd box running a mysql and webserver for two > internet > sites, each getting about 15.000 hits a day. Lately, we've been > experiencing > weird crashes where the box seems to run out of cache memory (100MB) > while > there's plenty of conventional memory ( 768 MB) available. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 8:23:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtppzh.pzh.nl (webshield.pzh.nl [194.178.168.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 05AB014A14 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:17:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from MULHUIJZEN@PZH.NL) Received: FROM smtp.pzh.nl BY smtppzh.pzh.nl ; Mon Jan 24 17:16:29 2000 0000 Received: from PZH40-1-Message_Server by smtp.pzh.nl with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:16:35 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:16:06 +0100 From: "ROGIER MULHUIJZEN" To: Subject: Re: weird crashes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As someone else suggested, try adding more swap space. The general rule is 3 times physical memory. On a side note, you run mySQL under root? scary... DocWilco >>> "Jeroen Bulten" 01/24 5:17 PM >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: ROGIER MULHUIJZEN To: ; Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 4:34 PM Subject: Re: weird crashes > What version of FreeBSD are you running, and can you show some messages > from logs? > > DocWilco > > >>> "Jeroen Bulten" 01/24 4:35 PM >>> > Hi, > > I co-admin a freebsd box running a mysql and webserver for two > internet > sites, each getting about 15.000 hits a day. Lately, we've been > experiencing > weird crashes where the box seems to run out of cache memory (100MB) > while > there's plenty of conventional memory ( 768 MB) available. > > Any hints? > > t.i.a. > jeroen > Sorry. I was in a bit of a hurry when i posted the first message. I will provide a bit more info. The server is a dual Pentium III 450 with 768MB memory and 12GB HD. It is running FreeBSD 3.3 with Apache 1.3.9 (mod_php compiled in) and a perl 5.005_03 external interpreter. An important part of both sites is the UBB forum, which we will soon replace by a php forum with mysql backend because UBB is a giant hog on server resources (especially two of them). The server load can become very high especially in the early evening, but as i mentioned before this seems to be due to the server running out of swap space before running out of conventional memory. This was in /var/log/messages right after the crash (after it had come up again of course :) Jan 24 10:11:04 sebulba /kernel: pid 44034 (perl), uid 65534: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Jan 24 10:11:07 sebulba /kernel: pid 44038 (perl), uid 65534: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Jan 24 10:11:08 sebulba /kernel: pid 44039 (perl), uid 65534: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Jan 24 10:11:08 sebulba /kernel: pid 44037 (perl), uid 65534: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Jan 24 10:11:09 sebulba /kernel: pid 44041 (perl), uid 65534: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Jan 24 10:11:11 sebulba /kernel: pid 293 (mysqld), uid 0, was killed: out of swap space (and many more of the same) jeroen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 8:35:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vinyl.sentex.ca (vinyl.sentex.ca [209.112.4.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D012115639 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:32:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simoeon (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by vinyl.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA25936; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:32:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000124112937.01eb2ce0@staff.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@staff.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:29:37 -0500 To: "Jeroen Bulten" , From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: weird crashes In-Reply-To: <006a01bf6687$2e737580$0200a8c0@chello.nl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 05:22 PM 1/24/00 +0100, Jeroen Bulten wrote: >Hmm... just found this in /var/log/messages: > >Jan 24 08:10:59 sebulba /kernel: wd0: interrupt timeout (status >58drq> error 1) >Jan 24 08:10:59 sebulba /kernel: wd0: wdtimeout() DMA status 4 >Jan 24 10:11:03 sebulba /kernel: swap_pager: out of swap space My first guess is that you might have a bad sector on your IDE drive. If its on your swap partition, this would be a bad thing. ---Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Network Administrator, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 8:35:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay02.chello.nl (relay02.chello.nl [212.83.68.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A3C15B14 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:31:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j.bulten@chello.nl) Received: from daedalus ([212.187.68.53]) by relay02.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license a4501b83b68dc3e36f6046e1d8586abe) with SMTP id <20000124163119.HQFL7278.relay02@daedalus> for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:31:19 +0100 Message-ID: <007e01bf6689$f2694080$0200a8c0@chello.nl> From: "Jeroen Bulten" To: References: Subject: Re: weird crashes Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:42:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: ROGIER MULHUIJZEN To: Cc: Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 5:12 PM Subject: Re: weird crashes > Also, what cache is this? webserver's cache, mysql's cache FreeBSD's > cache? woops... i meant swap space of course... jeroen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 9: 0: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from misha.cisco.com (misha.cisco.com [171.69.206.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CBF214CD4 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:59:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mi@misha.cisco.com) Received: (from mi@localhost) by misha.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA34219; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:59:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi) Message-Id: <200001241659.LAA34219@misha.cisco.com> Subject: Re: kern/13644 In-Reply-To: <14476.31150.689748.108097@onceler.kcilink.com> from Vivek Khera at "Jan 24, 2000 11:11:26 am" To: Vivek Khera Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:59:38 -0500 (EST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: mi@aldan.algebra.com From: Mikhail Teterin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL60 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Vivek Khera once wrote: > >>>>> "MP" == Mattias Pantzare writes: > > MP> The problem is simply that the kernel that has a lower resolution > MP> on it's scheduling than the clock that you are using, and that it > MP> takes time to do things on a noral CPU. > > Plus the fact that FreeBSD is *not* a real-time OS, so any time > guarantees are not really guarantees, just suggestions. If you want > hard real-time constraints, you'll need to use a real-time OS. This alone would explain why it would occasionaly exceed the specified timeout. It does not explain the consistent 9-10 msecs excess. Especially on an idle machine. As was pointed out, (all/most of) the Unix man pages are contradicting the POSIX spec, which says, the specified value is the _minimum_, rather then maximum time to wait as the man-pages say. When I find a URL to the spec myself, I'll take it to the TCL's forum to push for changes in the TCL's after(n) implementation. -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 10: 9:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E233114C96 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:09:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA68669; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:09:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200001241809.KAA68669@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Multiple IP addresses In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000124043423.009ac550@mail.inr.net> from "N.B. DelMore" at "Jan 24, 2000 04:34:23 am" To: mylists@inr.net (N.B. DelMore) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:09:17 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [This is not a -stable question but more of a -question question and should have been sent to that list] > Just a couple of questions concerning multiple IP's. In searching through > the archives I've seen references to binding the addresses to the NIC as > well as the loopback, which is the proper method? Depends on who you ask. Seriously though, both methods are valid, each having slightly different behavior and advantages/disadvantages so thier is no black and white one is proper and the other is wrong. Bind to NIC: a) You don't have to screw with routing at all if the IP's are already on that network segment, and usually just a single route at the gateway if they are not. b) Arp storms can become a problem here, it gives more IP addresses that respond to arp's. Arps are not well filtered at most locations. Bind to lo0: a) You don't fill up other routers arp tables. 1000+ entry arp tables are not fun to look at and not fun for the router to search :-) b) You can easily move a virtual from one machine to another without seeing a pile of ``so and so has moved from MAX X to MAX Y. c) Routing protocols can be used to dynamically manage the ip space in a VLSM manner or on a host based manner. > > The scenario I have setup is as follows, the server (xl0) has been assigned > the IP address of yyy.yyy.yyy.8 and the I route an entire Class C to that > interface in the router, e.g. > ip route xxx.xxx.xxx.0 255.255.255.0 yyy.yyy.yyy.8 > > I then added an entry in /etc/rc.local to run the following shell script: > > #!/bin/sh > > /sbin/ifconfig lo0 xxx.xxx.xxx.0 netmask 0xffffff00 alias Illegal use of host 0 on a network, surprized that something didn't gripe about this. > /sbin/ifconfig lo0 xxx.xxx.xxx.1 netmask 0xffffffff alias Netmask on this should be changed to 0xffffff00 if you want a /24 route created, otherwise having them all 0xffffffff is fine, and infact our prefered method here so we don't have to fool with the .1 if we should move things around on servers. > /sbin/ifconfig lo0 xxx.xxx>xxx.2 netmask 0xffffffff alias > > through > > /sbin/ifconfig lo0 198.77.215.255 netmask 0xffffffff alias Illegal use of a broadcast address, again surprized that something didn't grip about this. > > To recap, my questions are, which interface should be used to bind the ip's > to Depends on who you ask :-) If you ask me only lo0 is the _correct_ thing to do. Though I manage sites that have them bound to the nic I really hate it. > and is it acceptable to bind .0 and .255 to the interface although by > convention they shouldn't be used for anything. No, and don't try and use them even if the bind did work, your going to get strange side effects. -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 10:23:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [199.222.42.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC06215063 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:23:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cliftonr@lava.net) Received: from localhost (2973 bytes) by malasada.lava.net via sendmail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:23:46 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #3 built 1999-Dec-7) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:23:46 -1000 From: Clifton Royston To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: "N.B. DelMore" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Multiple IP addresses Message-ID: <20000124082346.D27533@lava.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20000124043423.009ac550@mail.inr.net> <200001241809.KAA68669@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <200001241809.KAA68669@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jan 24, 2000 at 10:09:17AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > Just a couple of questions concerning multiple IP's. In searching through > > the archives I've seen references to binding the addresses to the NIC as > > well as the loopback, which is the proper method? > > Depends on who you ask. Seriously though, both methods are valid, each > having slightly different behavior and advantages/disadvantages so thier > is no black and white one is proper and the other is wrong. > > Bind to NIC: > a) You don't have to screw with routing at all if the IP's are already > on that network segment, and usually just a single route at the > gateway if they are not. > > b) Arp storms can become a problem here, it gives more IP addresses > that respond to arp's. Arps are not well filtered at most locations. > > Bind to lo0: > a) You don't fill up other routers arp tables. 1000+ entry arp tables > are not fun to look at and not fun for the router to search :-) Note though that you *can* still proxy arp for addresses bound to the loopback if you want to, BTW.c > b) You can easily move a virtual from one machine to another without > seeing a pile of ``so and so has moved from MAX X to MAX Y. > > c) Routing protocols can be used to dynamically manage the ip space > in a VLSM manner or on a host based manner. or d) If all the addresses you're assigning make up an entire netblock, you can insert a static route to the netblock on the router. FWIW, in managing many virtual web servers (BSD/OS, very similar network code) we rapidly moved from binding IPs to the NIC, to binding IPs to the loopback and proxy arping, much later switched to binding IPs to the loopback and using a static route to the netblock, and eventually have moved to binding IPs to the loopback and running Zebra to announce routes to the web servers. YMMV, -- Clifton -- Clifton Royston -- LavaNet Systems Architect -- cliftonr@lava.net "An absolute monarch would be absolutely wise and good. But no man is strong enough to have no interest. Therefore the best king would be Pure Chance. It is Pure Chance that rules the Universe; therefore, and only therefore, life is good." - AC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 13:29:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ulstu.ru (ns.ulstu.ru [62.76.34.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B49414BEF for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:29:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vlad@high.net.ru) Received: from siemens.ulstu.ru (siemens.ulstu.ru [62.76.34.44]) by mail.ulstu.ru (8.9.3-mfd/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA77208 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:24:22 +0300 (MSK) Received: from hq.spc.high (ip134-l-gate.link-ul.ru [195.151.42.134]) by siemens.ulstu.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C3917428 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:24:03 +0300 (MSK) Received: by hq.spc.high (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4D520337; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:56:52 +0300 (MSK) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:56:51 +0300 From: Vlad Skvortsov To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: calendar broken ? Message-ID: <20000124235651.B852@high.net.ru> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi. May be I do something wrong or calendar is broken ? Look here: [vlad@hq] ~ > date ÐÎ 24 ÑÎ× 2000 23:55:21 MSK [vlad@hq] ~ > cat ~/calendar 01/21 1999 01/25 asd 01/25 1999 [vlad@hq] ~ > calendar [vlad@hq] ~ > uname -a FreeBSD hq.spc.high 3.4-STABLE FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE #14: Thu Dec 23 00:49:26 MSK 1 999 root@hq.spc.high:/usr/src/sys/compile/ZKERNEL i386 [vlad@hq] ~ > Why doesn't it print out last two lines of ~/calendar ? -- Vlad Skvortsov, vss@ulstu.ru, vlad@high.net.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 14: 3:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alcanet.com.au (mail.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96191524A; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 14:03:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <115243>; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:58:41 +1100 Content-return: prohibited From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: kern/13644 In-reply-to: <200001241659.LAA34219@misha.cisco.com>; from mi@aldan.algebra.com on Tue, Jan 25, 2000 at 04:02:28AM +1100 To: stable@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <00Jan25.085841est.115243@border.alcanet.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <14476.31150.689748.108097@onceler.kcilink.com> <200001241659.LAA34219@misha.cisco.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:58:36 +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2000-Jan-25 04:02:28 +1100, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > It does not explain the consistent 9-10 msecs excess. _That_ might be a bug. The select(2) delay is converted from a struct timeval into ticks by tvtohz(). This routine rounds up to the next tick and then adds 1 to the result (in both -stable and -current). The `+1' would seem to be incorrect - even if you want to allow for the current tick, a more reasonable estimate would be 0.5, not 1. Based on a quick check, both Solaris 2.5 and Digital Unix (aka Tru64) 4.0D don't include this one tick over-estimate. I believe one (only) of the following two patches should be applied: Index: kern_clock.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/CVSROOT/src/sys/kern/kern_clock.c,v retrieving revision 1.104 diff -u -r1.104 kern_clock.c --- kern_clock.c 1999/12/08 10:02:12 1.104 +++ kern_clock.c 2000/01/24 21:51:27 @@ -271,9 +271,8 @@ * If the number of usecs in the whole seconds part of the time * difference fits in a long, then the total number of usecs will * fit in an unsigned long. Compute the total and convert it to - * ticks, rounding up and adding 1 to allow for the current tick - * to expire. Rounding also depends on unsigned long arithmetic - * to avoid overflow. + * ticks, rounding up. Rounding also depends on unsigned long + * arithmetic to avoid overflow. * * Otherwise, if the number of ticks in the whole seconds part of * the time difference fits in a long, then convert the parts to @@ -305,10 +304,10 @@ ticks = 1; } else if (sec <= LONG_MAX / 1000000) ticks = (sec * 1000000 + (unsigned long)usec + (tick - 1)) - / tick + 1; + / tick; else if (sec <= LONG_MAX / hz) ticks = sec * hz - + ((unsigned long)usec + (tick - 1)) / tick + 1; + + ((unsigned long)usec + (tick - 1)) / tick; else ticks = LONG_MAX; if (ticks > INT_MAX) Index: sys_generic.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/CVSROOT/src/sys/kern/sys_generic.c,v retrieving revision 1.54 diff -u -r1.54 sys_generic.c --- sys_generic.c 2000/01/14 02:53:25 1.54 +++ sys_generic.c 2000/01/24 21:50:26 @@ -687,7 +687,10 @@ ttv = atv; timevalsub(&ttv, &rtv); timo = ttv.tv_sec > 24 * 60 * 60 ? - 24 * 60 * 60 * hz : tvtohz(&ttv); + 24 * 60 * 60 * hz + 1 : tvtohz(&ttv); + /* compensate for over-estimate in tvtohz() */ + if (timo > 1) + timo-- } s = splhigh(); if ((p->p_flag & P_SELECT) == 0 || nselcoll != ncoll) { @@ -818,7 +821,10 @@ ttv = atv; timevalsub(&ttv, &rtv); timo = ttv.tv_sec > 24 * 60 * 60 ? - 24 * 60 * 60 * hz : tvtohz(&ttv); + 24 * 60 * 60 * hz + 1 : tvtohz(&ttv); + /* compensate for over-estimate in tvtohz() */ + if (timo > 1) + timo-- } s = splhigh(); if ((p->p_flag & P_SELECT) == 0 || nselcoll != ncoll) { Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 16:20:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from node11a94.a2000.nl (node11a94.a2000.nl [24.132.26.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1CD22158B7 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:19:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ronald@node11a94.a2000.nl) Received: (qmail 24542 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2000 00:18:25 -0000 Received: from node11a94.a2000.nl (24.132.26.148) by node11a94.a2000.nl with SMTP; 25 Jan 2000 00:18:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 01:18:24 +0100 (CET) From: Ronald Klop To: Jeroen Bulten Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: weird crashes In-Reply-To: <005b01bf6680$b29f61e0$0200a8c0@chello.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Jeroen Bulten wrote: > Hi, > > I co-admin a freebsd box running a mysql and webserver for two internet > sites, each getting about 15.000 hits a day. Lately, we've been experiencing > weird crashes where the box seems to run out of cache memory (100MB) while > there's plenty of conventional memory ( 768 MB) available. > How large are the databases? Are there any very large programs in memory? ('top' sorted by memory). You say there is plenty of conventional memory available, but is this also free memory? Because 768MB is such a 'beautiful' number, it's a coincidence to have that free. (btw: don't you mean fysical memory? Conventional is a bit of a DOS word meaning the first 640Kb. IMHO) Greetings, Ronald. -- Ronald Klop http://node11a94.a2000.nl/~ronald/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 16:25: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from postoffice.aims.com.au (advanc2.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.119.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7DC15288 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:24:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Chris@aims.com.au) Received: from postoffice.aims.com.au (nts-ts1.aims.private [192.168.0.2]) by postoffice.aims.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21502 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:14:47 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from Chris@aims.com.au) Received: from nts-ts1 by aims.com.au with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.8.7.0.R) for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:14:07 +1100 From: "Chris Knight" To: Subject: RE: Diffserv over FreeBSD Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:14:05 +1100 Message-ID: <004101bf66c9$1804f160$0200a8c0@nts-ts1.aims.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <200001240706.QAA01086@ba2.so-net.ne.jp> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Return-Path: Chris@aims.com.au Reply-To: chris@aims.com.au Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Howdy, ALTQ does provide diffserv functionality. ALTQ development is now being carried out in the KAME repository. See http://www.kame.net for further info. Regards, Chris Knight Systems Administrator AIMS Independent Computer Professionals Tel: +61 3 6334 6664 Fax: +61 3 6331 7032 Mob: +61 419 528 795 Web: http://www.aims.com.au > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Masuda Masashi > Sent: Monday, 24 January 2000 18:06 > To: jose@di.uminho.pt > Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Diffserv over FreeBSD > > [snip] > > ALTQ is you want ? ALTQ URL is this. > > http://www.csl.sony.co.jp/~kjc/kjc/kjc/software.html#ALTQ > > ----- > Masuda Masashi > > [snip] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 24 20:36:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from TripleCrown.Aldridge.com (TripleCrown.Aldridge.com [206.180.151.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3693F15380 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:36:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dlac@aldridge.com) Received: from aldridge.com (america.aldridge.com [206.180.139.33]) by TripleCrown.Aldridge.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA96288 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:36:22 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <388D2845.13A8AF08@aldridge.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:36:21 -0600 From: "David L. Aldridge" Organization: The Aldridge Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Stable Failing to compile Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am bombing out at this point. Would anyone care to offer a clue. :| /lib/libutil/login_times.c -o login_times.o /usr/src/lib/libutil/login_times.c: In function `in_ltm': /usr/src/lib/libutil/login_times.c:116: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/lib/libutil/login_times.c:118: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/lib/libutil/login_times.c:118: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/lib/libutil/login_times.c:120: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/lib/libutil/login_times.c:126: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/lib/libutil/login_times.c:127: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/lib/libutil/login_times.c:128: warning: implicit declaration of function `mktime' /usr/src/lib/libutil/login_times.c: In function `in_lt': /usr/src/lib/libutil/login_times.c:140: warning: implicit declaration of function `localtime' /usr/src/lib/libutil/login_times.c:140: warning: passing arg 2 of `in_ltm' makes pointer from integer without a cast /usr/src/lib/libutil/login_times.c: In function `in_lts': /usr/src/lib/libutil/login_times.c:159: warning: passing arg 2 of `in_ltms' makes pointer from integer without a cast *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. ocean:/usr/src/# -- David L. Aldridge The Aldridge Company 281.368.0166 (fax: 281.368.0381) http://www.aldridge.com/ Powered by Pentium/FreeBSD/Apache - Because it works. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 25 2:33:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [216.190.188.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C040714EF6; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 02:33:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@cybcon.com) Received: from laptop.cybcon.com (pm3a-31.cybcon.com [205.147.75.160]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12220; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:29:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:24:01 -0800 (PST) From: William Woods To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: DSL natd rules.... Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am doing a little prep work so when DSL comes in, I will be ready. These are the proposed rules/entrys/and set up I am thinking of useing. I have in rc.conf for it. The system that this comes from is going to be a gateway/router. It is connected to the net like this: I-----------I ---------Internet DSL------------>>I Cisco 675 I << 10.0.0.1 is ip of cisco I-----------I I ether I I dhclient assinged address 10.0.0.2 de1 (NAT for internal LAN) I-----------I I Gateway I I Router I I FreeBSD I I 3.4 I I-----------I de0 (192.168.0.1) I ether I I I---------I I HUB I I---------I / I \ / I \ / I \ / I \ Win98 FreBSD Win2000 192.168.0.4 192.168.0.2 192.168.0.3 Here is my proposed rc.conf for the gateway/router: # This file now contains just the overrides from /etc/defaults/rc.conf # please make all changes to this file. # -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # sendmail_enable="NO" ifconfig_de0="inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" defaultrouter="NO" gateway_enable="YES" natd_enable="YES" natd_interface="de1" natd_flags="-s" firewall_enable="YES" firewall_type="OPEN" dhclient de1 network_interfaces="de0 de1 lo0" hostname="alpha.cybcon.com" Thanks for any advice/help ---------------------------------- E-Mail: William Woods Date: 25-Jan-00 Time: 00:04:23 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 25 2:33:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [216.190.188.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1FD14C10 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 02:33:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@cybcon.com) Received: from laptop.cybcon.com (william@pm3a-31.cybcon.com [205.147.75.160]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12459 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:41:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:36:43 -0800 (PST) From: William Woods To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: FW: DSL natd rules.... Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am doing a little prep work so when DSL comes in, I will be ready. These are the proposed rules/entrys/and set up I am thinking of useing. I have in rc.conf for it. The system that this comes from is going to be a gateway/router. It is connected to the net like this: I-----------I ---------Internet DSL------------>>I Cisco 675 I << 10.0.0.1 is ip of cisco I-----------I I ether I I dhclient assinged address 10.0.0.2 de1 (NAT for internal LAN) I-----------I I Gateway I I Router I I FreeBSD I I 3.4 I I-----------I de0 (192.168.0.1) I ether I I I---------I I HUB I I---------I / I \ / I \ / I \ / I \ Win98 FreBSD Win2000 192.168.0.4 192.168.0.2 192.168.0.3 Here is my proposed rc.conf for the gateway/router: # This file now contains just the overrides from /etc/defaults/rc.conf # please make all changes to this file. # -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # sendmail_enable="NO" ifconfig_de0="inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" defaultrouter="NO" gateway_enable="YES" natd_enable="YES" natd_interface="de1" natd_flags="-s" firewall_enable="YES" firewall_type="OPEN" dhclient de1 network_interfaces="de0 de1 lo0" hostname="alpha.cybcon.com" Thanks for any advice/help ---------------------------------- E-Mail: William Woods Date: 25-Jan-00 Time: 00:04:23 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 25 10:57:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sstar.com (sstar.com [209.102.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B3F115337 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:57:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from king@sstar.com) Received: from JKING ([134.132.75.164]) by sstar.com with ESMTP (IPAD 2.52) id 5000100; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:57:14 -0600 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000125125443.00a7d210@mail.sstar.com> X-Sender: king@mail.sstar.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:57:13 -0600 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Jim King Subject: Apache signal 11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I got this in my log: Jan 21 23:31:37 cgi /kernel: pid 23942 (apache), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 Jan 21 23:54:08 cgi /kernel: pid 15978 (apache), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 Jan 22 07:50:18 cgi /kernel: pid 60996 (apache), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 Jan 22 12:28:01 cgi /kernel: pid 77665 (apache), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 Jan 22 15:23:49 cgi /kernel: pid 25932 (apache), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 Jan 22 16:03:06 cgi /kernel: pid 80596 (apache), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 Jan 22 18:40:25 cgi /kernel: pid 55391 (apache), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 Jan 22 23:26:48 cgi /kernel: pid 5582 (apache), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 Jan 22 23:38:50 cgi /kernel: pid 65941 (apache), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 Jan 22 23:47:36 cgi /kernel: pid 90785 (apache), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 Jan 23 00:23:30 cgi /kernel: pid 6028 (apache), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 This is Apache 1.3.9 (apache+php+mod_ssl-1.3.9+4.0b2+2.4.9) running on 3.4-stable from Jan. 7. These are the only messages from the time period. Does this look like a software or hardware problem? If it's probably hardware I'd like to know so I can start working on getting replacements to swap out. Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 25 15:45: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from visionaire.ping.de (visionaire.ping.de [195.37.123.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379D81515C for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:44:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thomas@visionaire.ping.de) Received: from dante.visionaire.net (mail@dante.visionaire.net [192.168.208.42]) by visionaire.ping.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00517; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:39:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from thomas@dante.visionaire.net) Received: from thomas by dante.visionaire.net with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 12DFYq-00007n-00; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:39:48 +0100 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:39:48 +0100 From: Thomas Keusch To: US Debian User Mailing List Cc: US FreeBSD Stable Mailing List Subject: FreeBSD, Linux and NFS Message-ID: <20000126003948.A476@dante.visionaire.net> Reply-To: thomas@members.ping.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, does anybody happen to be running NFS between FreeBSD und Linux successfully and painless? I've got FreeBSD 3.4S cvsupped xmas or one, maybe two days after, running as NFS server, while my Linux v2.2.14 box is the client. On Linux, I mount stuff like this: $ mount -t nfs -o ro,noauto,user,tcp,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr \ darkstar:/storage /tmp/storage.darkstar On the FreeBSD side of the universe, I've got this in /etc/rc.conf: $ grep -e nfs -e mount /etc/rc.conf nfs_server_enable="YES" nfs_server_flags="-t -n 4" mountd_flags="-2 -r" Ok, so if I get things right, which I think (hopefully) I do, this means that Linux mounts NFS filesystems via TCP/IP, the FreeBSD server forces NFS v2 via the "-2" switch given to mountd and the 4 nfsd only serve stuff via TCP/IP ("-t" argument). But, stressing my home LAN a little bit the last few days, it happened to me three times already that the server simply stops serving the fs (or NFS in general, I didn't check before restarting stuff :-( ), while it stays perfectly functional in all other ways I can think of. Ok, it may be that no new/further NFS exported fs may be mounted by remote machines, I don't know yet, but I can get you current if asked to. Maybe it is just a regular permission problem that it can't mount the fs in question via loopback networking. Restarting nfsd/mountd, whichever order of starting them, doesn't seem to help, on the Linux box processes accessing the NFS fs still hang. Having restarted the daemons, I can mount another fs, though. (Don't know if this works without restarting, sorry. But I can test..) *Finally* :-) ... finally this is the error message I get on the Linux box syslog: dante kernel: nfs: server darkstar not responding, still trying Any ideas on that one? Is my assumption, that _only_ NFS v2 via TCP/IP, *NOT* UDP, will work between FreeBSD and Linux, correct? At all? If it ever was? (I just seem to have remembered this sort of stuff popping up on the lists and v2/tcp NFS being the solution) So, is there some help for me? I don't really know where to look at now.. Thanks for your valueable time, if you actually read this far :-)) HAND, thomas -- thomas. .powered.by.debian/linux. .served.by.FreeBSD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 25 16: 0:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CC8814F1E for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:00:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 26 Jan 2000 00:00:03 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:00:02 +0000 From: David Malone To: thomas@members.ping.de Cc: US Debian User Mailing List , US FreeBSD Stable Mailing List Subject: Re: FreeBSD, Linux and NFS Message-ID: <20000126000002.A35171@walton.maths.tcd.ie> References: <20000126003948.A476@dante.visionaire.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000126003948.A476@dante.visionaire.net>; from thomas@visionaire.ping.de on Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 12:39:48AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 12:39:48AM +0100, Thomas Keusch wrote: > Is my assumption, that _only_ NFS v2 via TCP/IP, *NOT* UDP, will work > between FreeBSD and Linux, correct? At all? If it ever was? > (I just seem to have remembered this sort of stuff popping up on the > lists and v2/tcp NFS being the solution) NFS v2 over UDP is the traditional NFS flavor, and most likely to work. We're using 3.4 machines here with two Redhat-6.1 clients and most stuff seems to work fine. server:/home /home nfs rw,nodev,soft,intr,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 25 16:18: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nipplehead.yi.org (nat194.153.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.194.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07ACA15331 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:18:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bbursey@nipplehead.yi.org) Received: from localhost (bbursey@localhost) by nipplehead.yi.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21919 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:18:04 -0400 (AST) (envelope-from bbursey@nipplehead.yi.org) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:18:04 -0400 (AST) From: Bryan Bursey To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IRQs appearing incorrectly in dmesg In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG G'day folks... My 3.4-STABLE box is incorrectly reporting the IRQs for many of my PCI devices in dmesg. Some details are inserted below. I'm wondering if there's any way to determine the _actual_ IRQs or is there a dmesg issue here. I'm using an Abit BP-6 mainboard. [bbursey@nipplehead bbursey]$ uname -a FreeBSD nipplehead.yi.org 3.4-STABLE FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE #1: Sun Jan 23 05:05:39 AST 2000 root@:/usr/src/sys/compile/NIP_KERNEL i386 xl0: <3Com 3c900B-TPO Etherlink XL> rev 0x04 int a irq 19 on pci0.9.0 es1: rev 0x01 int a irq 17 on pci0.13.0 bktr0: rev 0x11 int a irq 16 on pci0.15.0 Any help and/or advice much appreciated. Regards, Bryan +----------------------------------------+ | Drugs may be the road to nowhere, | | but at least they're the scenic route. | +----------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 25 16:26:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (port-3-153.adsl.one.net [216.2.0.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8918B15378 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:26:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30073; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:29:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:29:11 -0500 From: Coleman Kane To: thomas@members.ping.de Cc: US Debian User Mailing List , US FreeBSD Stable Mailing List Subject: Re: FreeBSD, Linux and NFS Message-ID: <20000125192911.A30055@evil.2y.net> References: <20000126003948.A476@dante.visionaire.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK" X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000126003948.A476@dante.visionaire.net>; from thomas@visionaire.ping.de on Tue, Jan 25, 2000 at 06:56:11PM -0500 X-Vim: vim:tw=70:ts=4:sw=4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had this running beautifully on ReHad 6.1 and FreeBSD 3.2 before I moved = my own box from RedHat to FreeBSD. --cokane Thomas Keusch had the audacity to say: > Hello, >=20 > does anybody happen to be running NFS between FreeBSD und Linux > successfully and painless? >=20 > I've got FreeBSD 3.4S cvsupped xmas or one, maybe two days after, > running as NFS server, while my Linux v2.2.14 box is the client. >=20 > On Linux, I mount stuff like this: >=20 > $ mount -t nfs -o ro,noauto,user,tcp,rsize=3D8192,wsize=3D8192,timeo=3D14= ,intr \ > darkstar:/storage /tmp/storage.darkstar >=20 > On the FreeBSD side of the universe, I've got this in /etc/rc.conf: >=20 > $ grep -e nfs -e mount /etc/rc.conf > nfs_server_enable=3D"YES" > nfs_server_flags=3D"-t -n 4" > mountd_flags=3D"-2 -r" >=20 > Ok, so if I get things right, which I think (hopefully) I do, this means > that Linux mounts NFS filesystems via TCP/IP, the FreeBSD server forces > NFS v2 via the "-2" switch given to mountd and the 4 nfsd only serve > stuff via TCP/IP ("-t" argument). >=20 > But, stressing my home LAN a little bit the last few days, it happened > to me three times already that the server simply stops serving the fs > (or NFS in general, I didn't check before restarting stuff :-( ), > while it stays perfectly functional in all other ways I can think of. > Ok, it may be that no new/further NFS exported fs may be mounted by > remote machines, I don't know yet, but I can get you current if asked > to. Maybe it is just a regular permission problem that it can't mount > the fs in question via loopback networking. >=20 > Restarting nfsd/mountd, whichever order of starting them, doesn't seem > to help, on the Linux box processes accessing the NFS fs still hang. > Having restarted the daemons, I can mount another fs, though. > (Don't know if this works without restarting, sorry. But I can test..) >=20 > *Finally* :-) > ... finally this is the error message I get on the Linux box syslog: >=20 > dante kernel: nfs: server darkstar not responding, still trying >=20 >=20 > Any ideas on that one? >=20 > Is my assumption, that _only_ NFS v2 via TCP/IP, *NOT* UDP, will work > between FreeBSD and Linux, correct? At all? If it ever was? > (I just seem to have remembered this sort of stuff popping up on the > lists and v2/tcp NFS being the solution) >=20 > So, is there some help for me? > I don't really know where to look at now.. >=20 > Thanks for your valueable time, if you actually read this far :-)) >=20 > HAND, > thomas >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > thomas. .powered.by.debian/linux. > .served.by.FreeBSD. >=20 >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE4jj/XERViMObJ880RAddPAKCB3texQQYdBctz449oHKlwni/CEQCfUpme GIhuA5p31xPMD9D1lK92p/M= =t3WJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 25 16:29:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4457015213 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:28:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19704; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:53:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:53:03 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: thomas@members.ping.de Cc: US FreeBSD Stable Mailing List Subject: Re: FreeBSD, Linux and NFS Message-ID: <20000125165303.A26520@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <20000126003948.A476@dante.visionaire.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000126003948.A476@dante.visionaire.net>; from thomas@visionaire.ping.de on Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 12:39:48AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Thomas Keusch [000125 16:20] wrote: > > Hello, > > does anybody happen to be running NFS between FreeBSD und Linux > successfully and painless? > > I've got FreeBSD 3.4S cvsupped xmas or one, maybe two days after, > running as NFS server, while my Linux v2.2.14 box is the client. > > On Linux, I mount stuff like this: > > $ mount -t nfs -o ro,noauto,user,tcp,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr \ > darkstar:/storage /tmp/storage.darkstar > > On the FreeBSD side of the universe, I've got this in /etc/rc.conf: > > $ grep -e nfs -e mount /etc/rc.conf > nfs_server_enable="YES" > nfs_server_flags="-t -n 4" > mountd_flags="-2 -r" > > Ok, so if I get things right, which I think (hopefully) I do, this means > that Linux mounts NFS filesystems via TCP/IP, the FreeBSD server forces > NFS v2 via the "-2" switch given to mountd and the 4 nfsd only serve > stuff via TCP/IP ("-t" argument). Last time i saw someone trying to use tcp NFS mounts in Linux, thier box would hang/crash even before the mount came up, I'm sure Linux's nfs has improved (they even have some sort of lockd going) however I'd try UDP and see what happens. > But, stressing my home LAN a little bit the last few days, it happened > to me three times already that the server simply stops serving the fs > (or NFS in general, I didn't check before restarting stuff :-( ), > while it stays perfectly functional in all other ways I can think of. > Ok, it may be that no new/further NFS exported fs may be mounted by > remote machines, I don't know yet, but I can get you current if asked > to. Maybe it is just a regular permission problem that it can't mount > the fs in question via loopback networking. I'm not sure I understand, are you saying that: the linux box can't do any NFS to the freebsd box and: a) FreeBSD is able to mount its own shares? Or b) FreeBSD is _not_ able to mount its own shares? > Restarting nfsd/mountd, whichever order of starting them, doesn't seem > to help, on the Linux box processes accessing the NFS fs still hang. > Having restarted the daemons, I can mount another fs, though. > (Don't know if this works without restarting, sorry. But I can test..) > > *Finally* :-) > ... finally this is the error message I get on the Linux box syslog: > > dante kernel: nfs: server darkstar not responding, still trying I'd be interested in knowing the output of ps -alx | grep nfsd on the freebsd box when this happens. > Any ideas on that one? > > Is my assumption, that _only_ NFS v2 via TCP/IP, *NOT* UDP, will work > between FreeBSD and Linux, correct? At all? If it ever was? > (I just seem to have remembered this sort of stuff popping up on the > lists and v2/tcp NFS being the solution) I'm not sure how well TCP mounts will work as I mentioned above, try UDP as mentioned in the other email you got. Have you tried FreeBSD<->FreeBSD mounts with the same configuration yet? > So, is there some help for me? hopefully yes. :) > I don't really know where to look at now.. > > Thanks for your valueable time, if you actually read this far :-)) No, problem, just don't disappear, we'd like to know what's going on. :) -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 25 16:43:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (mass.cdrom.com [204.216.28.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63FB114D34 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:43:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03502; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:51:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200001260051.QAA03502@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Bryan Bursey Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IRQs appearing incorrectly in dmesg In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:18:04 -0400." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:51:20 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > G'day folks... > > My 3.4-STABLE box is incorrectly reporting the IRQs for many of my PCI > devices in dmesg. Some details are inserted below. I'm wondering if > there's any way to determine the _actual_ IRQs or is there a dmesg issue > here. I'm using an Abit BP-6 mainboard. > > [bbursey@nipplehead bbursey]$ uname -a > FreeBSD nipplehead.yi.org 3.4-STABLE FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE #1: Sun Jan 23 > 05:05:39 AST 2000 root@:/usr/src/sys/compile/NIP_KERNEL i386 > > xl0: <3Com 3c900B-TPO Etherlink XL> rev 0x04 int a irq 19 on pci0.9.0 > es1: rev 0x01 int a irq 17 on pci0.13.0 > bktr0: rev 0x11 int a irq 16 on pci0.15.0 > > Any help and/or advice much appreciated. If this is an SMP system, the IRQ number is meaningless. This is why 4.x systems probably won't print them. (The number actually reflects the low-level interrupt handler in modern systems, and sort-of does in yours.) -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 25 16:43:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from malasada.lava.net (malasada.lava.net [199.222.42.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C65114C1A for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:43:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cliftonr@lava.net) Received: from localhost (2819 bytes) by malasada.lava.net via sendmail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:43:10 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #3 built 1999-Dec-7) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:43:10 -1000 From: Clifton Royston To: thomas@members.ping.de Cc: US Debian User Mailing List , US FreeBSD Stable Mailing List Subject: Re: FreeBSD, Linux and NFS Message-ID: <20000125144309.A3164@lava.net> References: <20000126003948.A476@dante.visionaire.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <20000126003948.A476@dante.visionaire.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 12:39:48AM +0100, Thomas Keusch wrote: > Ok, so if I get things right, which I think (hopefully) I do, this means > that Linux mounts NFS filesystems via TCP/IP, the FreeBSD server forces > NFS v2 via the "-2" switch given to mountd and the 4 nfsd only serve > stuff via TCP/IP ("-t" argument). > > But, stressing my home LAN a little bit the last few days, it happened > to me three times already that the server simply stops serving the fs > (or NFS in general, I didn't check before restarting stuff :-( ), > while it stays perfectly functional in all other ways I can think of. I don't remember the exact circumstances, but I believe one of the standard problems with running many implementations of NFS over TCP is that if the TCP session "breaks down", in most implementations the NFS client will never open a new TCP connection; i.e. it relies on TCP/IP being not just more reliable, but infinitely reliable, which it just isn't. ... > *Finally* :-) > ... finally this is the error message I get on the Linux box syslog: > > dante kernel: nfs: server darkstar not responding, still trying > > Any ideas on that one? It could be what I'd described above. > Is my assumption, that _only_ NFS v2 via TCP/IP, *NOT* UDP, will work > between FreeBSD and Linux, correct? At all? If it ever was? > (I just seem to have remembered this sort of stuff popping up on the > lists and v2/tcp NFS being the solution) > > So, is there some help for me? If you want to verify it, use netstat and lsof on both boxes to look for the NFS/TCP connection when this problem exists, and see if it still exists on both sides. If either side has lost the TCP connection, that's probably it there. I would recommend trying to switch it to UDP and see if that helps. -- Clifton -- Clifton Royston -- LavaNet Systems Architect -- cliftonr@lava.net "An absolute monarch would be absolutely wise and good. But no man is strong enough to have no interest. Therefore the best king would be Pure Chance. It is Pure Chance that rules the Universe; therefore, and only therefore, life is good." - AC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 25 18:46:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shell.jeah.net (shell2.jeah.net [216.132.235.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B2514E45 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:46:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@shell.jeah.net) Received: (from chris@localhost) by shell.jeah.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02215 for stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:46:25 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chris) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:46:25 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Byrnes Message-Id: <200001260246.UAA02215@shell.jeah.net> To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: host -t requests. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [chris@shell] [~]$ host -t ns jeah.net jeah.net name server ns2.jeah.net jeah.net name server ns1.jeah.net [chris@shell] [~]$ host -t ns kirenet.com kirenet.com name server NS2.kirenet.com kirenet.com name server NS1.kirenet.com [chris@shell] [~]$ Is there any reason that they appear in descending order? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 25 18:59:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tomts2-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts2.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13BA514DB7; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:59:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drkangel@pathcom.com) Received: from bastardos ([216.209.47.45]) by tomts3-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.07 201-229-116-107) with SMTP id <20000126025311.FVGS627.tomts3-srv.bellnexxia.net@bastardos>; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 21:53:11 -0500 From: "Marco Paulo Rodrigues" To: , , Subject: pccard problems.. I think Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 21:51:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I just recently installed FreeBSd 3.4 on my Thinkpad 390E. I have an IBM Etherjet 10/100. I read the relnotes and it says the 3.4 kernel has support for it in. I check the pccard.conf.sample and found it. Problem is, or maybe i'm doing something wrong is when I boot and it beings to load the daemons, ie portmap (the rc.386 startups) I get an error from pccardd saying """ not found in card database? I've never configued a laptop for FreeBSD so I don't know if these flags are correct in the rc.conf. I'm using the original pccard.conf.sample just renamed to pccard.conf and here is what I have in my rc.conf as of this moment.. pccard_enable="YES" # Set to YES if you want to configure PCCARD devices. pccard_mem="DEFAULT" # If pccard_enable=YES, this is card memory address. pccard_ifconfig="ed0 192.168.0.4" # Specialized pccard ethernet configuration (or NO). pccardd_flags="" # Additional flags for pccardd. Is there anything i'm missing? Any help or guidance would be appreciated. ---------------------------------- Marco Paulo Rodrigues Pathway Communications Phone : (416) 907-2880 ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 25 19: 0: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.uniserve.com (mail2.uniserve.com [204.244.156.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AAB914E45 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:59:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca ([204.244.186.218]) by mail2.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 3.03 #4) id 12DIgD-0002xN-00; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:59:37 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:59:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Chris Byrnes Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: host -t requests. In-Reply-To: <200001260246.UAA02215@shell.jeah.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Chris Byrnes wrote: > [chris@shell] [~]$ host -t ns jeah.net > jeah.net name server ns2.jeah.net > jeah.net name server ns1.jeah.net > [chris@shell] [~]$ host -t ns kirenet.com > kirenet.com name server NS2.kirenet.com > kirenet.com name server NS1.kirenet.com > [chris@shell] [~]$ > > Is there any reason that they appear in descending order? There is no order to DNS records. Tom Uniserve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 25 19: 7:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ipapilot.org (mail.ipapilot.org [205.198.89.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CEF6814F57 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:06:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjohnson@palomine.net) Received: (qmail 29374 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2000 03:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ft0dd) (203.74.110.193) by mail.ipapilot.org with SMTP; 26 Jan 2000 03:06:47 -0000 Message-ID: <02fb01bf67aa$61f4d600$2201000a@ft0dd> From: "Chris Johnson" To: "Chris Byrnes" , References: <200001260246.UAA02215@shell.jeah.net> Subject: Re: host -t requests. Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:06:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > [chris@shell] [~]$ host -t ns jeah.net > jeah.net name server ns2.jeah.net > jeah.net name server ns1.jeah.net > [chris@shell] [~]$ host -t ns kirenet.com > kirenet.com name server NS2.kirenet.com > kirenet.com name server NS1.kirenet.com > [chris@shell] [~]$ > > Is there any reason that they appear in descending order? What's descending about the order? Should they be alphabetical or something? Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 25 19:20: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0DD14C01 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:19:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shadow@apollo.gti.net) Received: from localhost (shadow@localhost) by gti.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13171; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:19:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:19:26 -0500 (EST) From: Shadow To: Chris Johnson Cc: Chris Byrnes , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: host -t requests. In-Reply-To: <02fb01bf67aa$61f4d600$2201000a@ft0dd> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If I remember correctly DNS servers round-robin that info, host is probably just returning in the same order the server did. Dig returns a similar pattern of ordering. $ host -t ns jeah.net jeah.net name server NS1.jeah.net jeah.net name server NS2.jeah.net $ host -t ns jeah.net jeah.net name server NS1.jeah.net jeah.net name server NS2.jeah.net $ host -t ns jeah.net jeah.net name server NS2.jeah.net jeah.net name server NS1.jeah.net $ host -t ns jeah.net jeah.net name server NS2.jeah.net jeah.net name server NS1.jeah.net -Shadow shadow@gti.net On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Chris Johnson wrote: > > [chris@shell] [~]$ host -t ns jeah.net > > jeah.net name server ns2.jeah.net > > jeah.net name server ns1.jeah.net > > [chris@shell] [~]$ host -t ns kirenet.com > > kirenet.com name server NS2.kirenet.com > > kirenet.com name server NS1.kirenet.com > > [chris@shell] [~]$ > > > > Is there any reason that they appear in descending order? > > What's descending about the order? Should they be alphabetical or something? > > Chris > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 25 23:52:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from uemsconnsp1.cpf.navy.mil (oban-nat-1.cpf.navy.mil [199.124.14.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638101514F; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:52:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from KuriyaKK@cpf.navy.mil) Received: by u661-serv-1-host-257.cpf.navy.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 21:52:08 -1000 Message-ID: From: "Kuriyama, Kent K Mr (CPF N651KK)" To: 'Marco Paulo Rodrigues' Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: pccard problems.. I think Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 21:52:02 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Marco, I have run into a similar problem with 3.4 RELEASE. I have a Dell 300CPI with a 3COM 3C589D PC card that refuses to be recognized by the 3.4 installation disks. 3.3 RELEASE works fine. I ended up installing 3.3 then CVSUP'd to 3.4. With 3.4 RELEASE on the hard drive, there's no problem with recognizing the 3C589D. Kent -----Original Message----- From: Marco Paulo Rodrigues [mailto:drkangel@pathcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 4:52 PM To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: pccard problems.. I think Hello, I just recently installed FreeBSd 3.4 on my Thinkpad 390E. I have an IBM Etherjet 10/100. I read the relnotes and it says the 3.4 kernel has support for it in. I check the pccard.conf.sample and found it. Problem is, or maybe i'm doing something wrong is when I boot and it beings to load the daemons, ie portmap (the rc.386 startups) I get an error from pccardd saying """ not found in card database? I've never configued a laptop for FreeBSD so I don't know if these flags are correct in the rc.conf. I'm using the original pccard.conf.sample just renamed to pccard.conf and here is what I have in my rc.conf as of this moment.. pccard_enable="YES" # Set to YES if you want to configure PCCARD devices. pccard_mem="DEFAULT" # If pccard_enable=YES, this is card memory address. pccard_ifconfig="ed0 192.168.0.4" # Specialized pccard ethernet configuration (or NO). pccardd_flags="" # Additional flags for pccardd. Is there anything i'm missing? Any help or guidance would be appreciated. ---------------------------------- Marco Paulo Rodrigues Pathway Communications Phone : (416) 907-2880 ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 0:42:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pooh.elsevier.nl (pooh.elsevier.nl [145.36.9.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA58115154 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:42:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@pooh.elsevier.nl) Received: (from steve@localhost) by pooh.elsevier.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04613 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 08:42:39 GMT (envelope-from steve) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 08:42:39 -0000 (GMT) From: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: pcaudio broken (for me anyway) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Has anyone seen /dev/pcaudio working in -stable. Every time I try to use it I get 'device already open' messages (even single user freshly booted). PS: I'm willing to track it down if it is more than my laptop being strange (probably easier than making my Solo1 work). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 1:15:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8DA14D83 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 01:15:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12DOXa-000PUt-0U; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:15:07 +0000 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA46448; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:17:28 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:13:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pcaudio broken (for me anyway) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone seen /dev/pcaudio working in -stable. Every time I try to > use it I get 'device already open' messages (even single user freshly booted). > > PS: I'm willing to track it down if it is more than my laptop being > strange (probably easier than making my Solo1 work). It worked last time I tried it (a few weeks ago). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 3:29:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dor.zaural.ru (dor.zaural.ru [195.161.56.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B80914A1F for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 03:29:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from serg@dor.zaural.ru) Received: (from serg@localhost) by dor.zaural.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA88668 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:29:19 +0500 (YEKT) (envelope-from serg) From: "Sergey N. Voronkov" Message-Id: <200001261129.QAA88668@dor.zaural.ru> Subject: Bug reports and time to fix. To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:29:19 +0500 (YEKT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! Sorry if my questions are FAQ, but I can't find anything about... I'm little novice in FreeBSD cvsup, but not in FreeBSD (I'm using it from 2.0.5 version). So, could you, please, tell me: 1) Who is making changes and patches in STABLE? 2) How can I propose my own patches/changes or enhancements to FreeBSD community. A little history to this questions: I'v found the at(1) bug description in Freebsd-Bug database. And patches, filled it Audit-Trail. I think, if Mr. Sheldon Hearn's patch isn't applied to main three, may be it is incorrect in some cases? So I'v found OpenBSD patch to this bug, adapt it and send. Nothing happened... Is noone need at(1) worked? Is above 20 days of unfixed bug and existed patch normal in STABLE-branch? When I'v send some fixes to ports tree, they are applied much more faster :-(. ( Please excuse me for my english. No practice in long time. ) Serg N. Voronkov. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 4:56:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server1.huntsvilleal.com (www.huntsvilleal.com [207.13.224.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACE614E06 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 04:56:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hiwaay.net) Received: from barricuda.bsd.nws.net (kris.huntsvilleal.com [207.13.224.46]) by server1.huntsvilleal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11532; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 07:39:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barricuda.bsd.nws.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA37975; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 06:54:16 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kris@hiwaay.net) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 06:54:06 -0600 (CST) From: Kris Kirby To: Bryan Bursey Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IRQs appearing incorrectly in dmesg In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Bryan Bursey wrote: > G'day folks... > > My 3.4-STABLE box is incorrectly reporting the IRQs for many of my PCI > devices in dmesg. Some details are inserted below. I'm wondering if > there's any way to determine the _actual_ IRQs or is there a dmesg issue > here. I'm using an Abit BP-6 mainboard. BP6 == SMP Celeron. I get the same thing, yet it appears to work. --- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "God gave them the ability to reproduce... ... Science gave us the hope they won't." -KBK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 7:44: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (port-8-140.adsl.one.net [216.23.16.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA0814BDA for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 07:44:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31437; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:47:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:47:04 -0500 From: Coleman Kane To: Bryan Bursey Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IRQs appearing incorrectly in dmesg Message-ID: <20000126104704.C31345@evil.2y.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from bbursey@nipplehead.yi.org on Tue, Jan 25, 2000 at 11:31:08PM -0500 X-Vim: vim:tw=70:ts=4:sw=4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG These are not 'incorrect' as you say, they are just the way PCI is set up (remember, the normal PIC is an x86 thing, but PCI is used on many other architectures). These IRQs get mapped around to their x86 counterparts after the drivers that the PCI boards represent are inited. Check these out: A Compaq Server: Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x00 int v irq 176 on chip1: rev 0x00 int 7 irq 160 on chip2: rev 0x00 int 7 irq 32 on p chip3: rev 0x00 int 6 irq 160 on chip4: rev 0x00 int 6 irq 32 on p chip5: rev 0x00 int 5 irq 160 on chip6: rev 0x00 int 5 irq 32 on p chip7: rev 0x00 int 4 irq 160 on lnc1: rev 0x02 int b irq 3 on pci0.11.0 lnc1: PCnet-32 VL-Bus address 00:80:5f:06:69:6a ncr0: rev 0x02 int a irq 10 on pci0.12.0 xl0: <3Com 3c900B-TPO Etherlink XL> rev 0x04 int a irq 9 on pci0.13.0 --cokane Bryan Bursey had the audacity to say: > G'day folks... > > My 3.4-STABLE box is incorrectly reporting the IRQs for many of my PCI > devices in dmesg. Some details are inserted below. I'm wondering if > > xl0: <3Com 3c900B-TPO Etherlink XL> rev 0x04 int a irq 19 on pci0.9.0 > es1: rev 0x01 int a irq 17 on pci0.13.0 > bktr0: rev 0x11 int a irq 16 on pci0.15.0 > > Any help and/or advice much appreciated. > > Regards, > Bryan > > > +----------------------------------------+ > | Drugs may be the road to nowhere, | > | but at least they're the scenic route. | > +----------------------------------------+ > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 8:20:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6F914F1A for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 08:20:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 12DVBG-0003cr-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:20:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:20:29 -0500 From: Peter Radcliffe To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: host -t requests. Message-ID: <20000126112029.B13098@pir.net> Mail-Followup-To: stable@freebsd.org References: <200001260246.UAA02215@shell.jeah.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from tom@uniserve.com on Tue, Jan 25, 2000 at 06:59:32PM -0800 X-fish: < Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tom probably said: Under normal circumstances ... > There is no order to DNS records. ... with the exception of PTR records. bind does not round robin PTR records, and has code for deciding what order/method to give out other records depending on fun things like network topology. Other name servers may differ. P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 11:42:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (jason05.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02D215137 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:42:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul4.u.washington.edu (jcwells@saul4.u.washington.edu [140.142.83.2]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id LAA48286 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:42:32 -0800 Received: from localhost (jcwells@localhost) by saul4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id LAA22689 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:42:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:42:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Warner's PCI Modem Driver Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am attempting to use Warner's patch for the PCI modem. Please be gentle, I have never used a modem until recently. :) I miss my edu connect. Here are the pertinent dmesgs: sio0: rev 0x08 int a irq 9 on pci0.18.0 sio2: pci sio unit 0 moved to sio2 at 0x6100 sio2: pci unit 0 probe failed sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A I am told that the modem is not a winmodem, but I don't know how to tell by looking at it. The modem is a Phoebe. The documentation for it is sparse. It would seem to me that my device is configured except that pesky "probe failed" message. Is my PCI modem working? What am I missing? Should I move my sio device numbers around so that the PCI modem doesn't get moved to sio2? I can disable the isa sio ports if that will help. I thought this error might be of interest to -stable as the code seems to be entering here instead of -current. Thanks, Jason C. Wells P.S. I apologize for not being subscribed. I am between ISPs due to a recent move and have not yet resubscribed to -stable. I did search the archives before writing. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 13: 2: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from frolkin.demon.co.uk (frolkin.demon.co.uk [194.222.100.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F75152CE for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 13:01:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sasha@frolkin.demon.co.uk) Received: from sasha by frolkin.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12DXlk-0003sY-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:06:20 +0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:06:20 +0000 From: Alexander Frolkin To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Make world under Linux ? Message-ID: <20000126190620.A14811@gamma> Reply-To: Alexander Frolkin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.14 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Is there a way to 'make buildworld' on a Linux system? The reason I want to do this is because my Linux machine is a lot faster than the FreeBSD machine. Last time I made world, I had to use NFS, due to lack of disk space, and it took three (!) days (using make -j3, which was probably a bad idea). It this possible, and is there any info somewhere about how to do this? Thanks, Alexander. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 13:47:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553A714BB7 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 13:47:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20548; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:10:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:10:19 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Alexander Frolkin Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Make world under Linux ? Message-ID: <20000126141019.G26520@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <20000126190620.A14811@gamma> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000126190620.A14811@gamma>; from alexander@frolkin.demon.co.uk on Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 07:06:20PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Alexander Frolkin [000126 13:29] wrote: > Hello, > > Is there a way to 'make buildworld' on a Linux system? The reason I want to > do this is because my Linux machine is a lot faster than the FreeBSD > machine. Last time I made world, I had to use NFS, due to lack of disk > space, and it took three (!) days (using make -j3, which was probably a bad > idea). It this possible, and is there any info somewhere about how to do > this? Doing that would probably be pretty complex, I've never seen anyone claim success doing this on the mailing lists. You may be able to create a diskless configuration, boot the Linux box with a FreeBSD kernel, NFS mount the slower box and try building via NFS. good luck, -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 14:22:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tesla-e0.salk.edu (tesla-e0.salk.edu [198.202.70.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6469114DBA; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:22:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jorge@salk.edu) Received: from axelrod.salk.edu (axelrod.salk.edu [198.202.70.121]) by tesla-e0.salk.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07246; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:22:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:21:50 -0800 (PST) From: Jorge Aldana Reply-To: Jorge Aldana To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: MD5 Sigs on 3.4-20000124-STABLE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I checked the signatures on the files I downloaded from current.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/3.4-20000124-STABLE/ and the following fail the MD5 check: < = from CHECKSUM.MD5 listing > = downloaded file. 68c70 < MD5 (bin.cp) = c688b821316686fb8393b52ef9af1d86 --- > MD5 (bin.cp) = 5b448c5cffd07e612873c80bd5ed6b41 93c95 < MD5 (bin.do) = f87680f6cb58bf21af6e18825e7e23a2 --- > MD5 (bin.do) = 3dd11e1748dabf91bd36add0a05b0ea5 75c77 < MD5 (scontrib.cp) = 1d19d8fd622d067a4bd6167e84357ece --- > MD5 (scontrib.cp) = 56d9a710f54b7f1ba0ab10ad0c917b79 I've downloaded several times as a group and individually is their a known problem? Jorge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 14:55:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE4814FF1 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:55:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10059; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:55:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:55:35 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: William Woods Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FW: DSL natd rules.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, William Woods wrote: > I am doing a little prep work so when DSL comes in, I will be ready. These are > the proposed rules/entrys/and set up I am thinking of useing. I have in rc.conf > for it. The system that this comes from is going to be a gateway/router. It is > connected to the net like this: This is done soo much it really belongs on -questions. :) I think the FreeBSD Diary has an entry on this. > # please make all changes to this file. > # -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # > sendmail_enable="NO" > ifconfig_de0="inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" > > defaultrouter="NO" > gateway_enable="YES" > natd_enable="YES" > natd_interface="de1" > natd_flags="-s" > firewall_enable="YES" > firewall_type="OPEN" Check the case on the firewall_type, but so far you're ok. > dhclient de1 This is evil, unsupported, and Just Plain Wrong. Move this to /etc/start_if.de1. You should not have executable statements in rc.conf. Now, the fakenet between your box and the cisco ... your provider is running ppp/router mode? Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 14:57:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0254114E85 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:57:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10067; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:57:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:57:30 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: Jim King Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Apache signal 11 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000125125443.00a7d210@mail.sstar.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Jim King wrote: > I got this in my log: > > Jan 21 23:31:37 cgi /kernel: pid 23942 (apache), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 This doesn't tell us anything. Go look at your error_log. And why is it called apache and not httpd? > This is Apache 1.3.9 (apache+php+mod_ssl-1.3.9+4.0b2+2.4.9) running on > 3.4-stable from Jan. 7. > > These are the only messages from the time period. Does this look like a > software or hardware problem? If it's probably hardware I'd like to know > so I can start working on getting replacements to swap out. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 15: 1:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pawn.primelocation.net (pawn.primelocation.net [205.161.238.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24EB1502A for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:01:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdf.lists@fxp.org) Received: by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix, from userid 1016) id 7CFA69B3B; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:01:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7432CBA0C; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:01:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:01:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Chris D. Faulhaber" X-Sender: cdf.lists@pawn.primelocation.net To: Doug White Cc: Jim King , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Apache signal 11 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Doug White wrote: > On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Jim King wrote: > > > I got this in my log: > > > > Jan 21 23:31:37 cgi /kernel: pid 23942 (apache), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 > > This doesn't tell us anything. Go look at your error_log. > > And why is it called apache and not httpd? > Because he installed it from the ports: (snipped from ports/www/apache13-php3/pkg/PLIST) sbin/ab sbin/apache sbin/apachectl sbin/apxs sbin/logresolve sbin/rotatelogs ----- Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 15:23:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pinky.plambert.net (pinky.plambert.net [205.219.88.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D488B14F66 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:23:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from plambert@pinky.plambert.net) Received: (from plambert@localhost) by pinky.plambert.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA48376; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:23:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from plambert) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:23:25 -0800 From: "Paul M . Lambert" To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Alexander Frolkin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Make world under Linux ? Message-ID: <20000126152325.B42148@pinky.plambert.net> References: <20000126190620.A14811@gamma> <20000126141019.G26520@fw.wintelcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000126141019.G26520@fw.wintelcom.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > * Alexander Frolkin [000126 13:29] wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Is there a way to 'make buildworld' on a Linux system? The reason I want to > > do this is because my Linux machine is a lot faster than the FreeBSD > > machine. Last time I made world, I had to use NFS, due to lack of disk > > space, and it took three (!) days (using make -j3, which was probably a bad > > idea). It this possible, and is there any info somewhere about how to do > > this? > > Doing that would probably be pretty complex, I've never seen anyone > claim success doing this on the mailing lists. You may be able > to create a diskless configuration, boot the Linux box with a FreeBSD > kernel, NFS mount the slower box and try building via NFS. > > good luck, > -Alfred > Perhaps a basic install of FreeBSD under VMware might do it? --plambert -- I hate bombs, terrorism, fear, plans, future and past injustices, manifestos, popular sentiment, ignition, timetables, meetings, and poorly adjusted weasels. A warm hello to my friends and fans in domestic surveillance! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 17:29:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2125615512 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 17:29:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 17AB11C5E; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:29:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:29:37 -0500 From: Bill Fumerola To: Doug White Cc: William Woods , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FW: DSL natd rules.... Message-ID: <20000126202937.C9642@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu on Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 02:55:35PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 02:55:35PM -0800, Doug White wrote: > > dhclient de1 > > This is evil, unsupported, and Just Plain Wrong. Move this to > /etc/start_if.de1. Better yet: ifconfig_de1="DHCP" -- Bill Fumerola - Network Architect Computer Horizons Corp - CVM e-mail: billf@chc-chimes.com / billf@FreeBSD.org Office: 800-252-2421 x128 / Cell: 248-761-7272 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 18: 9:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19151528F for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:09:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02679; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:09:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA00717; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:08:36 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200001270208.TAA00717@harmony.village.org> To: "Jason C. Wells" Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:42:29 PST." References: Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:08:36 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message "Jason C. Wells" writes: : sio0: rev 0x08 int a irq : 9 on pci0.18.0 : sio2: pci sio unit 0 moved to sio2 at 0x6100 : sio2: pci unit 0 probe failed : : I am told that the modem is not a winmodem, but I don't know how to tell : by looking at it. The modem is a Phoebe. The documentation for it is : sparse. You may be being lied to, imho. :-) The probe failed means that it was unable to talk to it even as a 8250. : It would seem to me that my device is configured except that pesky : "probe failed" message. Is my PCI modem working? What am I missing? : Should I move my sio device numbers around so that the PCI modem doesn't : get moved to sio2? No. That the modem likely isn't a pci controller based modem. No. The pci code does that on its own and will always do that. How much did you pay for this board? If it is < $80 then you likely have a winmodem. Or at least a controllerless modem. Also, what chipset does it use? : P.S. I apologize for not being subscribed. I am between ISPs due to a : recent move and have not yet resubscribed to -stable. I did search the : archives before writing. Relax. You've done nothing wrong. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 19:51:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D94E15363 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:51:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from forrestc@workhorse.iMach.com) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13008; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:46:28 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:46:24 -0700 (MST) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Jason C. Wells wrote: > I am told that the modem is not a winmodem, but I don't know how to tell > by looking at it. The modem is a Phoebe. The documentation for it is > sparse. I took a gander at the Phoebe web page at http://www.phoebemicro.com/modems/pci.htm and I dont see ANY of the modems which I would trust to NOT be a winmodem. On the modem itself, there should be some numbers on the largest chip or chips. Could you provide us with those, represented as well as you can off of the modem? (this should tell us if it's a winmodem, if someone can identify the chipset.) Also, if you could try to figure out which phoebe modem it is, it would also be helpful. Alternatively, save yourself some time and go buy a USRobotics (now 3com) Sportster (NOT winmodem) Modem. I have personally used the USR part number 5687 for an internal ISA modem and it works well (http://www.3com.com/client/pcd/products/prod-faxmod5687-int.html). I have also used the 5686 external modem as well. (http://www.3com.com/client/pcd/products/prod-faxmod5686-ext.html) It appears that the 5610 PCI versions would work also. (The other advantage is that USR is really good about saying "WINMODEM" in most cases). HINT: When looking at modem specs you want to see something like the following: --------- Minimum System Requirements: IBM Compatible 486DX or Pentium Processor with available 2.1 PCI Slot. DOS, Microsoft Windows 95, 98 or Windows NT 4. --------- The key here is 486 and DOS. If it will work under DOS on a 486 it should work under freebsd. (Yes I know there are a couple exceptions, but they are few and far between) Occasionally, a vendor will only list Pentiums or higher, or will only list Windows OS'es. This isn't a guarantee that any given modem will work, but as a general rule, a Winmodem needs BOTH a pentium and Windows 95+ to work. Be very very wary of ANYTHING which says "Pentium 120 or higher" or the like. Geez. Life would be much easier if people would just say "Compatible with most Unix-based operating systems on the PC" on the box. - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) KD7EHZ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 http://www.imach.com Solutions for your high-tech problems. (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 19:59:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from napalm.plano.sterling.com (napalm.plano.sterling.com [138.42.1.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF4C1550B for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:59:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alan.edmonds@sterling.com) Received: from sterling.com (ras-0018.plano.sterling.com [10.1.48.127]) by napalm.plano.sterling.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA20468; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:58:54 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <388FC274.8DD8DB5B@sterling.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:58:44 -0600 From: Alan Edmonds X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Forrest W. Christian" Cc: "Jason C. Wells" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Forrest W. Christian" wrote: [deleted] > Geez. Life would be much easier if people would just say "Compatible with > most Unix-based operating systems on the PC" on the box. Risking getting off topic, I saw a (I believe it was a USR) modem that did say "Linux compatible" on it. It's a start. I also despise winmodem. Some seem to require MMX extensions also. Cheers, -- Alan Edmonds, KB5ZUY Sterling Software M/S 132 Phone: +1-972-801-6485 5800 Tennyson Pkwy. Email: alan.edmonds@sterling.com Plano, TX, USA 75024 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 20:42:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [216.190.188.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC9641551C for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:42:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@cybcon.com) Received: from laptop.cybcon.com (pm3b-19.cybcon.com [205.147.75.84]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08420; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:41:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:36:48 -0800 (PST) From: William Woods To: Doug White Subject: Re: FW: DSL natd rules.... Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Now, the fakenet between your box and the cisco ... your provider is > running ppp/router mode? OK, well the provider is USWEST and they are ip PPP mode, that is correct ---------------------------------- E-Mail: William Woods Date: 26-Jan-00 Time: 20:34:58 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 21: 1:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (jason02.u.washington.edu [140.142.76.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD1615196 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:01:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul2.u.washington.edu (jcwells@saul2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.21]) by jason02.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id VAA32038; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:01:37 -0800 Received: from localhost (jcwells@localhost) by saul2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id VAA25605; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:01:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:01:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" To: Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver In-Reply-To: <200001270208.TAA00717@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Warner Losh wrote: >In message "Jason C. Wells" writes: >: sio0: rev 0x08 int a irq >: 9 on pci0.18.0 >: sio2: pci sio unit 0 moved to sio2 at 0x6100 >: sio2: pci unit 0 probe failed >: >: I am told that the modem is not a winmodem, but I don't know how to tell >: by looking at it. The modem is a Phoebe. The documentation for it is >: sparse. > >You may be being lied to, imho. :-) The probe failed means that it was >unable to talk to it even as a 8250. So it turns out. My friend turned me on to a linux site that list the braindead modems. Mine was on the list. The guy at the shop said, "That's stragne. I have a policy against carrying win-modems. Apparently, there was some lack of indication that it was a winmodem. He then assumed it wasnt a winmodem. >: It would seem to me that my device is configured except that pesky >: "probe failed" message. Is my PCI modem working? What am I missing? >: Should I move my sio device numbers around so that the PCI modem doesn't >: get moved to sio2? > >No. > >That the modem likely isn't a pci controller based modem. > >No. The pci code does that on its own and will always do that. > >How much did you pay for this board? If it is < $80 then you likely >have a winmodem. Or at least a controllerless modem. Also, what >chipset does it use? Conexant R56D/fooPCI >Relax. You've done nothing wrong. I have seen Jordan climb in a couple people shorts with a hot poker on a couple occasions. When I get a good connection I'll be back! Thank you Mr. Losh, Jason C. Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 21: 4:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (jason03.u.washington.edu [140.142.77.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E0A154A6 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:04:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul2.u.washington.edu (jcwells@saul2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.21]) by jason03.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id VAA41246; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:04:53 -0800 Received: from localhost (jcwells@localhost) by saul2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id VAA23743; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:04:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:04:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" To: Alan Edmonds Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver In-Reply-To: <388FC274.8DD8DB5B@sterling.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Alan Edmonds wrote: >"Forrest W. Christian" wrote: >[deleted] >> Geez. Life would be much easier if people would just say "Compatible with >> most Unix-based operating systems on the PC" on the box. > >Risking getting off topic, I saw a (I believe it was a USR) modem >that did say "Linux compatible" on it. It's a start. I also >despise winmodem. Some seem to require MMX extensions also. A couple people have mentioned USR. I may take a look at them. Thanks, Jason C. Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 21:10:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E391515B for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:10:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03345; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:10:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA93987; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:09:46 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200001270509.WAA93987@harmony.village.org> To: "Jason C. Wells" Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:01:34 PST." References: Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:09:45 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message "Jason C. Wells" writes: : So it turns out. My friend turned me on to a linux site that list the : braindead modems. URL? I'd love to see that list... : Mine was on the list. The guy at the shop said, "That's : stragne. I have a policy against carrying win-modems. Apparently, there : was some lack of indication that it was a winmodem. He then assumed it : wasnt a winmodem. Did the packaging say you needed a Pentium 133 or better? That's another indication. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 21:32:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE376154A6 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:32:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marisombra@pop.mindspring.com) Received: from gaea (user-2ivee9s.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.57.60]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA08692; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 00:30:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000127002928.00a20e20@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: marisombra@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 00:30:53 -0500 To: Alan Edmonds , "Forrest W. Christian" From: "Daniel J. Zaccariello" Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver Cc: "Jason C. Wells" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <388FC274.8DD8DB5B@sterling.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greetings and Salutations: To continue off topic (sorry!) When I got my USR v.Everything internal modem, I was quite pleasantly surprised to find a whole section of the manual dedicated to UNIX based OS. ciao, djz At 10:58 PM 01/26/2000 , Alan Edmonds wrote: >"Forrest W. Christian" wrote: >[deleted] > > Geez. Life would be much easier if people would just say "Compatible with > > most Unix-based operating systems on the PC" on the box. > >Risking getting off topic, I saw a (I believe it was a USR) modem >that did say "Linux compatible" on it. It's a start. I also >despise winmodem. Some seem to require MMX extensions also. > >Cheers, >-- >Alan Edmonds, KB5ZUY Sterling Software > M/S 132 >Phone: +1-972-801-6485 5800 Tennyson Pkwy. >Email: alan.edmonds@sterling.com Plano, TX, USA 75024 > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 22:59:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D305E15202 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:59:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zerkle@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.0.73.201]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000127065917.WAZM12979.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com>; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:59:17 -0800 Message-ID: <388FEDF5.54DF007D@home.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:04:21 -0800 From: Dan Zerkle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: Alan Edmonds , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jason C. Wells" wrote: > A couple people have mentioned USR. I may take a look at them. I believe that they were bought by 3COM a few years back. I also believe that they *invented* winmodems, so be careful. That said, the modem I got from them was just fine. I did have to revert to Windows to flash its ROM's, though. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 23: 5:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8826B14CE2 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:05:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 12Dizg-0000FD-00 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 02:05:28 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 02:05:27 -0500 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver Message-ID: <20000127020527.C29922@pir.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <388FEDF5.54DF007D@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <388FEDF5.54DF007D@home.com>; from zerkle@home.com on Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 11:04:21PM -0800 X-fish: < Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dan Zerkle probably said: > I believe that they were bought by 3COM a few years back. I also > believe that they *invented* winmodems, so be careful. Pretty much, yes. > That said, the modem I got from them was just fine. I did have to > revert to Windows to flash its ROM's, though. I am a _big_ fan of external USR couriers, their top of the line modem. They are _not_ cheap, but for me they are worth it because of the saved hassle because they pretty much just work and being flash upgradable essentially forever (14.4k couriers can be upgraded to V.90). I like the external models since I can move them between machines easily (and use them on non-PCs) as well as being able to reset them without rebooting the machine. Never bought another modem ... P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 23:12:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D678B14D14 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:12:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03888; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 00:12:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id AAA07251; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 00:12:13 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200001270712.AAA07251@harmony.village.org> To: Dan Zerkle Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver Cc: "Jason C. Wells" , Alan Edmonds , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:04:21 PST." <388FEDF5.54DF007D@home.com> References: <388FEDF5.54DF007D@home.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 00:12:13 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <388FEDF5.54DF007D@home.com> Dan Zerkle writes: : I believe that they were bought by 3COM a few years back. I also : believe that they *invented* winmodems, so be careful. Yes. Be careful. There are two known good modems. One is the 3Com PCI FaxModem (model 5610). The other is ActionTec 56k FAX pci modem. This modem has been renamed to something like the ActionTec Call Waiting PCI Modem. The Linux page lists a third modem by Multitec. I've not been able to get my hands on that one, however. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 23:16:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067AA15564 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:16:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id e0R7GZH52804 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 02:16:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 02:16:35 -0500 (EST) From: jack To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver In-Reply-To: <20000127020527.C29922@pir.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Today Peter Radcliffe wrote: > Dan Zerkle probably said: > > That said, the modem I got from them was just fine. I did have to > > revert to Windows to flash its ROM's, though. > > I am a _big_ fan of external USR couriers, their top of the line modem. What he said. > They are _not_ cheap, but for me they are worth it because of the > saved hassle because they pretty much just work and being flash > upgradable essentially forever (14.4k couriers can be upgraded to > V.90). And don't need dos to flash. The newer ones, and flashed older ones, can be done with an xmodem upload. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 26 23:19:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shell13.ba.best.com (shell13.ba.best.com [206.184.139.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553DD14BCE for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:19:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rone@ennui.org) Received: (from rone@localhost) by shell13.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.sh) id XAA02123; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:18:50 -0800 (PST) From: remorse code Message-Id: <200001270718.XAA02123@shell13.ba.best.com> Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver In-Reply-To: from "Jason C. Wells" at "Jan 26, 0 09:01:34 pm" To: jcwells@u.washington.edu (Jason C. Wells) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:18:50 -0800 (PST) Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-URL: http://ennui.org/rone/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jason C. Wells writes: I have seen Jordan climb in a couple people shorts with a hot poker on a couple occasions. Great, now i'll never get any sleep. rone -- Insultant: n. Contract worker who gets paid an obscene hourly wage to insult full-time company employees. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 0: 5:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tricord.system.pl (tricord.system.pl [195.205.185.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8306914F33 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 00:05:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from saper@system.pl) Received: from localhost (saper@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tricord.system.pl (SYSTEM Internet) with ESMTP id IAA04772; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:58:44 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:58:41 +0100 (MET) From: Marcin Cieslak To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: Warner Losh , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Jason C. Wells wrote: > The guy at the shop said, "That's > stragne. I have a policy against carrying win-modems. Apparently, there > was some lack of indication that it was a winmodem. He then assumed it > wasnt a winmodem. Few facts from my experience: 1. A producer lies to distributor. Distributors lie to shop managers. Shop managers lie to us, the customers. For example, the guy - wholesaler tried to convince me that Winmodems are modems without a DSP (Digital Signalling Processor)! So nearly _all_ operations have to be carried out in hardware. I told him, on the other hand - and asked him to verify - that all his cheap PCI modems do not have an UART (Universal Asynchrononus Receiver/Transmitter) like old NS16450A or compatible. Real modem requires at least 2 large chips :). He remained unconvinced, but this is UART which makes the modem supported on all good operating systems. Many Winmodems are unsupported under Windows NT too. I am not sure but I think that Winmodem is a trademark of 3Com. 2. I have a customer who returned a PCI modem (he said we may give it away to charity) and bought a nice ISA internal one. He couldn't stand it although he was using ... Windows on a somewhat powerful hardware. ISA internal modems are good and safe, as long as there are boards with at least one ISA slot. -- << Marcin Cieslak // saper@system.pl >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- SYSTEM Internet Provider http://www.system.pl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 0: 9:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F72F14C33 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 00:09:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04035; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:09:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA43568; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:09:15 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200001270809.BAA43568@harmony.village.org> To: Marcin Cieslak Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver Cc: "Jason C. Wells" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:58:41 +0100." References: Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:09:15 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Marcin Cieslak writes: : He remained unconvinced, but this is UART which makes the modem : supported on all good operating systems. Yes. : Many Winmodems are unsupported under Windows NT too. True. : I am not sure but I think that Winmodem is a trademark of 3Com. Yes. Winmodem is a trademark of USRobotics, which is now owned by 3com. : ISA internal modems are good and safe, as long as there are : boards with at least one ISA slot. Yes, but if you have a 1 slot agp 5 slot pci 1 slot isa system and need 4 modems and an ethernet controller, you either go external with a multiport card, or get 4 pci modem, 1 pci ethernet card, 1 agp or isa video card and you are set. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 0:14: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E121214D14 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 00:14:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04070; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:14:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA43649; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:14:02 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200001270814.BAA43649@harmony.village.org> To: "Sean O'Connell" Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 27 Jan 2000 00:31:32 EST." <20000127003132.A18603@stat.Duke.EDU> References: <20000127003132.A18603@stat.Duke.EDU> <200001270509.WAA93987@harmony.village.org> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:14:01 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000127003132.A18603@stat.Duke.EDU> "Sean O'Connell" writes: : I'd guess he is referring to the linux winmodem site: : : http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html Thanks for the info. So it looks like I own two of the three pci controller based modems ever made... The actiontec and the 3com (the other being the mutlitech). Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 0:53:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D1115561 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 00:53:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA22960; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:53:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200001270853.BAA22960@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver In-Reply-To: <200001270814.BAA43649@harmony.village.org> from Warner Losh at "Jan 27, 0 01:14:01 am" To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:53:19 -0700 (MST) Cc: sean@stat.Duke.EDU, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <20000127003132.A18603@stat.Duke.EDU> "Sean O'Connell" writes: > : I'd guess he is referring to the linux winmodem site: > : > : http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html I've got a small pile of Newcom 33.6Kbps ISA modems I got at a computer store close-out sale for $5 each. They use the Cirrus 3450 chip set, have hardware jumpers for IRQ and PORT, and seem to work quite well under FreeBSD. I don't know if you can find any more of them though... -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 1: 3:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE02A1559A for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:03:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from forrestc@workhorse.iMach.com) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14695; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:57:55 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:57:54 -0700 (MST) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: Warner Losh Cc: Marcin Cieslak , "Jason C. Wells" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver In-Reply-To: <200001270809.BAA43568@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > : ISA internal modems are good and safe, as long as there are > : boards with at least one ISA slot. FWIW there ARE ISA Winmodems (USR/3com makes at least one). And they work in FreeBSD/Linux/DOS just as bad as a PCI one does. - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) KD7EHZ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 http://www.imach.com Solutions for your high-tech problems. (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 1: 5:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gruft.de (gate.obh.snafu.de [195.21.6.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609B11559E for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:05:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uucp@gruft.de) Received: from localhost (1763 bytes) by gruft.de via rmail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:05:10 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #1 built 1999-May-21) Received: from sauerbruch.evk-koeln.de(localhost.evk-koeln.de[127.0.0.1]) (1358 bytes) by sauerbruch.evk-koeln.de via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:smart_host/T:uux (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:01:05 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2.0.107 1999-Sep-8 #1 built 2000-Jan-25) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:01:04 +0100 (CET) From: Oliver Brandmueller Subject: Re: Make world under Linux ? To: Alexander Frolkin Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000126190620.A14811@gamma> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hallochen, On 26 Jan, Alexander Frolkin wrote: > Is there a way to 'make buildworld' on a Linux system? The reason I want to > do this is because my Linux machine is a lot faster than the FreeBSD > machine. Last time I made world, I had to use NFS, due to lack of disk > space, and it took three (!) days (using make -j3, which was probably a bad > idea). It this possible, and is there any info somewhere about how to do > this? I understand you want to cross-compile the whole system? I've never heard, that it would be possible under Linux. And if there is a way to produce the correct FreeBSD binaries on Linux, remember the "make world" relies on some file outside /usr/src and /usr/obj (I know of /etc/make.conf at least but I'm sure there are others). Can't you just swap the hard disks for the time? ;) cu, Oliver To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 1:32:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20011559A for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:32:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA76333; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:32:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200001270932.BAA76333@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver In-Reply-To: from Marcin Cieslak at "Jan 27, 2000 08:58:41 am" To: saper@system.pl (Marcin Cieslak) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:32:11 -0800 (PST) Cc: jcwells@u.washington.edu (Jason C. Wells), imp@village.org (Warner Losh), freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Jason C. Wells wrote: > > > The guy at the shop said, "That's > > stragne. I have a policy against carrying win-modems. Apparently, there > > was some lack of indication that it was a winmodem. He then assumed it > > wasnt a winmodem. > > Few facts from my experience: > > 1. A producer lies to distributor. Distributors lie to shop managers. > Shop managers lie to us, the customers. From mine. 1. Produced doesn't tell distributor much of anything. Stupid buyer at distributor is simply driven by cost, cheap is good. 2. Stupid sales person at distributor doesn't even know what a winmodem, uart, or irq is. All he knows is he has these sku numbers at this price and may or may not have X in stock, often can not even give you a manufacture model/make/sku on what he has to sell. He tells buyer on a contrinuous bases you need to find me cheaper Z's, my customers are balking at these prices. 3. Shop manager may or may not be cluefull. (We think we are cluefull, others think they are too.) He's got customers telling him all day long ``cheap, cheap, cheap, we want cheap''. Shop buyer orders the cheapest Z he can find, not carrying or knowing if it is good or not, unless he happens to be cluefull and gives a rats ass about what he sells or just about the bottom line and how many $/month he can move. Bottom line, from some one in the busines for 10 years, you the consumer are getting just what you have been telling us the reseller you want, who have passed it right up the chain ``cheap parts''. Now us, being cluefull, know that winmodems produce post sales technical support nightmares from the clueless lusers who only think they want the cheapest thing on the market, when they really want the highest performance yet cost effective solution on the market, refuse to buy, stock, or sell winmodems. I even have a sign on our price board where PCI modems go ``Show me one that works and I will get it for you''. A few people have taken me up on it and our now proud owners of either USR or Actiontec products. We stock and sell the Jaton Modulator ISA modem, www.jaton.com, it is a fine Rockwell Chipset hardware controller based modem, and other than fairly high DOA rates it has served our customers well. There are the 3 listed modems in the URL someone else pointed out. The USR is what I would have recommended until 3Com bought them. We are not fans of 3Com, especially with how some of the USR support stuff went away when they purchased that business, especially with respect to any of USR's networking equipment. I can show you lots of software, legacy all right, that won't deal with a PCI modems, even controller based ones, due to it having hard coded I/O addresses and such other legacy crap. > For example, the guy - wholesaler tried to convince me that > Winmodems are modems without a DSP (Digital Signalling Processor)! He is somewhat correct, Winmodems have no _hardware_ DSP, they use the host processor to do the DSPing. > So nearly _all_ operations have to be carried out in hardware. That part his is wrong on, it uses a software DSP. > I told him, on the other hand - and asked him to verify - > that all his cheap PCI modems do not have an UART > (Universal Asynchrononus Receiver/Transmitter) like old NS16450A > or compatible. Real modem requires at least 2 large chips :). Modern modems do not have a UART, even the hardware controller based ISA modems, and the USR and Actiontec PCI modems. Data is actually easier to DSP if handed to you in parallel. In the 2 chip solution one chip is the host interface (it mearly looks and/or behaves like a UART, but it does not serialize the data) and DSP, the second chip is the analog line interface. They used 2 chips as it use to be really dicey to try and do this on one substate but newer technologies can deal with it easy enough. > He remained unconvinced, but this is UART which makes the modem > supported on all good operating systems. It is an 8250/16x50 compliant hardware interface, there is no UART. > Many Winmodems are unsupported under Windows NT too. Because it is not cheap to develope host based DSP code for NT compared to the number of sales it would generate because NT won't let you go hacking directly at internal parts of it to make sure you get control of all things when you are trying to DSP modem signals. > I am not sure but I think that Winmodem is a trademark of 3Com. > > 2. I have a customer who returned a PCI modem (he said we > may give it away to charity) and bought a nice ISA internal one. > He couldn't stand it although he was using ... Windows on > a somewhat powerful hardware. > > ISA internal modems are good and safe, as long as there are > boards with at least one ISA slot. ISA modems are _NOT_ safe, many of them are now win modems. Infact it is getting very very hard to find non winmodems of any kind, PCI, ISA, PCMCIA, etc. Jaton had a supply problem for 2 weeks and I tried to hunt down an alternative and had very little luck finding any one with units in stock other than the over priced USR units. P.S. The next guy who walks through my door and says ``give me the cheapest modem you have'' is going to get a 55 gallon drum of win modems dumped over his head, he can pick one and have it for $5.00, no tech support from us avaliable :-) -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 2: 6:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from isbalham.ist.co.uk (isbalham.ist.co.uk [192.31.26.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CA214F27 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 02:06:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from gid.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by isbalham.ist.co.uk (8.9.2/8.8.7) with UUCP id KAA40696; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:06:47 GMT (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from [194.32.164.2] by seagoon.gid.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:50:06 GMT X-Sender: rb@194.32.164.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:50:06 +0000 To: Alexander Frolkin From: Bob Bishop Subject: Re: Make world under Linux ? Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, * Alexander Frolkin [000126 13:29] wrote: > > Is there a way to 'make buildworld' on a Linux system? The reason I want to > do this is because my Linux machine is a lot faster than the FreeBSD > machine. [etc] Haven't actually tried this, but it may be possible to build a PicoBSD floppy with GENERIC kernel, init, shell, ifconfig, mount (what else?) and NFS-mount everything else.before going multi-user. -- Bob Bishop (0118) 977 4017 international code +44 118 rb@gid.co.uk fax (0118) 989 4254 between 0800 and 1800 UK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 4:11:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lindt.urgle.com (lindt.urgle.com [195.173.172.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB1614FD2 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 04:11:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@urgle.com) Received: from mike by lindt.urgle.com with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 12Dnlg-0009O1-00; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:11:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:11:20 +0000 From: Mike Bristow To: "N.B. DelMore" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiple IP addresses Message-ID: <20000127121120.A36056@lindt.urgle.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20000124043423.009ac550@mail.inr.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000124043423.009ac550@mail.inr.net>; from mylists@inr.net on Mon, Jan 24, 2000 at 04:34:23AM -0500 X-Rated: Need To Know, Waco, Texas, Cocaine Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jan 24, 2000 at 04:34:23AM -0500, N.B. DelMore wrote: > I then added an entry in /etc/rc.local to run the following shell script: > > #!/bin/sh > > /sbin/ifconfig lo0 xxx.xxx.xxx.0 netmask 0xffffff00 alias > /sbin/ifconfig lo0 xxx.xxx.xxx.1 netmask 0xffffffff alias > /sbin/ifconfig lo0 xxx.xxx>xxx.2 netmask 0xffffffff alias > > through > > /sbin/ifconfig lo0 198.77.215.255 netmask 0xffffffff alias Looks like a job for netalias: see http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=12071 apply, rebuild, and then you just need: ifconfig lo0 xxx.xxx.xxx.0 netmask 0xffffff00 alias which will configure the whole network up. It would be nice if this was in the canonical source; large web farms (using HTTP/1.0 or SSL) would find this kind of ability very useful - it's much faster than doing things with ipfilter and suchlike. It's been in use at Demon Internet for years. -- Mike Bristow, Geek At Large ``Beware of Invisible Cows'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 4:21:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C3415202 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 04:21:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA76809; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 04:19:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200001271219.EAA76809@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Multiple IP addresses In-Reply-To: <20000127121120.A36056@lindt.urgle.com> from Mike Bristow at "Jan 27, 2000 12:11:20 pm" To: mike@urgle.com (Mike Bristow) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 04:19:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: mylists@inr.net (N.B. DelMore), freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This hack promotes violation of ARIN and other IN registry policies regarding use of IP space. > On Mon, Jan 24, 2000 at 04:34:23AM -0500, N.B. DelMore wrote: > > I then added an entry in /etc/rc.local to run the following shell script: > > > > #!/bin/sh > > > > /sbin/ifconfig lo0 xxx.xxx.xxx.0 netmask 0xffffff00 alias > > /sbin/ifconfig lo0 xxx.xxx.xxx.1 netmask 0xffffffff alias > > /sbin/ifconfig lo0 xxx.xxx>xxx.2 netmask 0xffffffff alias > > > > through > > > > /sbin/ifconfig lo0 198.77.215.255 netmask 0xffffffff alias > > Looks like a job for netalias: see > http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=12071 > > apply, rebuild, and then you just need: > ifconfig lo0 xxx.xxx.xxx.0 netmask 0xffffff00 alias > > which will configure the whole network up. > > It would be nice if this was in the canonical source; large > web farms (using HTTP/1.0 or SSL) would find this kind of ability > very useful - it's much faster than doing things with ipfilter and > suchlike. > > It's been in use at Demon Internet for years. > > -- > Mike Bristow, Geek At Large ``Beware of Invisible Cows'' > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 5:40:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat202.87.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.202.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3BC115653 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 05:40:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA20326 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:40:10 -0400 (AST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:40:10 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: icmp-response bandwidth limit 103/100 pps Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just want to confirm ... this means I'm being ping-flooded, or? its a near-continuous stream and makes it difficult to do anything on the console :( Is there a way of getting rid of it? icmp-response bandwidth limit 103/100 pps icmp-response bandwidth limit 102/100 pps icmp-response bandwidth limit 103/100 pps icmp-response bandwidth limit 102/100 pps icmp-response bandwidth limit 102/100 pps icmp-response bandwidth limit 102/100 pps icmp-response bandwidth limit 102/100 pps icmp-response bandwidth limit 102/100 pps icmp-response bandwidth limit 102/100 pps icmp-response bandwidth limit 103/100 pps icmp-response bandwidth limit 102/100 pps icmp-response bandwidth limit 102/100 pps icmp-response bandwidth limit 102/100 pps icmp-response bandwidth limit 103/100 pps icmp-response bandwidth limit 102/100 pps icmp-response bandwidth limit 102/100 pps icmp-response bandwidth limit 102/100 pps icmp-response bandwidth limit 102/100 pps icmp-response bandwidth limit 102/100 pps icmp-response bandwidth limit 102/100 pps Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 5:56:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pouet.noc.fr.clara.net (glou.noc.fr.clara.net [212.43.195.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC345154B2 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 05:56:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sameh@fr.clara.net) Received: by pouet.noc.fr.clara.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B36831B5; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 14:55:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 14:55:05 +0100 From: Sameh Ghane To: The Hermit Hacker Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: icmp-response bandwidth limit 103/100 pps Message-ID: <20000127145504.A444@noc.fr.clara.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from scrappy@hub.org on Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 09:40:10AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Le Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 09:40:10AM -0400, The Hermit Hacker écrivit: > > I just want to confirm ... this means I'm being ping-flooded, or? Ping-flooded, or port-scanned, or too many connections to a port with no daemon listening... > its a > near-continuous stream and makes it difficult to do anything on the > console :( Is there a way of getting rid of it? remove the line: options ICMP_BANDLIM in your kernel config file, or tell syslog not to print kernel messages to the console. > icmp-response bandwidth limit 103/100 pps > icmp-response bandwidth limit 102/100 pps > icmp-response bandwidth limit 103/100 pps > icmp-response bandwidth limit 102/100 pps ... -- Sameh Ghane To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 6: 4:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lindt.urgle.com (lindt.urgle.com [195.173.172.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7069E155FB for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 06:03:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@urgle.com) Received: from mike by lindt.urgle.com with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 12DpWL-0009SM-00; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 14:03:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 14:03:37 +0000 From: Mike Bristow To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: "N.B. DelMore" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Multiple IP addresses Message-ID: <20000127140337.A36292@lindt.urgle.com> References: <20000127121120.A36056@lindt.urgle.com> <200001271219.EAA76809@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200001271219.EAA76809@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>; from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net on Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 04:19:19AM -0800 X-Rated: AK-47, jihad, radar Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 04:19:19AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > This hack promotes violation of ARIN and other IN registry policies > regarding use of IP space. No more than the other ways of doing the same things, of which FreeBSD has plenty (if less efficent). And I'd suggest that this is not the case anyway (but I'm not up to date with the assignment policys of RIPE/ARIN etc anyhow). My understanding is that ``If we think you've got a good reason for those address, you can have them'' is a reasonable summary; I suspect that being an SSL web farm is definatly a good reason, and I know that wanting to support virtual hosts in an HTTP/1.0 complient manner was, and maybe still is. -- Mike Bristow, Geek At Large ``Beware of Invisible Cows'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 6:13:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtppzh.pzh.nl (webshield.pzh.nl [194.178.168.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F2F115086 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 06:13:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from MULHUIJZEN@PZH.NL) Received: FROM smtp.pzh.nl BY smtppzh.pzh.nl ; Thu Jan 27 15:11:29 2000 0000 Received: from PZH40-1-Message_Server by smtp.pzh.nl with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 15:11:35 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 15:11:02 +0100 From: "ROGIER MULHUIJZEN" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: icmp-response bandwidth limit 103/100 pps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >remove the line: >options ICMP_BANDLIM Might be a bit drastic. You could use sysctl -w net.inet.icmp.icmplim=0 to disable. Or try 200 and see how you fare (since you get just over 100 packets per sec). BUT the fact that you have that message means you have a rather high number of ICMP packets going out. You might want to leave the icmp-bandwidth setting and investigate. Or even lower it to 1 to make things really slow for any scanners. Use tcpdump ip proto icmp to see what icmp packets are flying across the wire. Good luck, DocWilco To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 6:22:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat202.87.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.202.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62DFE15176 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 06:21:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20718; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:20:19 -0400 (AST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:20:19 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Sameh Ghane Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: icmp-response bandwidth limit 103/100 pps In-Reply-To: <20000127145504.A444@noc.fr.clara.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Sameh Ghane wrote: > Le Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 09:40:10AM -0400, The Hermit Hacker écrivit: > > > > I just want to confirm ... this means I'm being ping-flooded, or? > > Ping-flooded, or port-scanned, or too many connections to a port > with no daemon listening... the only one I thought of was ping-flooded ... didn't realize that named hadn't started up properly ... now I know :( Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 6:27:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E56A154B2 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 06:27:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17562; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 15:26:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200001271426.PAA17562@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: icmp-response bandwidth limit 103/100 pps In-Reply-To: from ROGIER MULHUIJZEN at "Jan 27, 2000 03:11:02 pm" To: ROGIER MULHUIJZEN Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 15:26:51 +0100 (CET) Cc: sameh@fr.clara.net, scrappy@hub.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >remove the line: > >options ICMP_BANDLIM > > Might be a bit drastic. You could use of course ipfw add 100 pipe 10 icmp from any to any ipfw pipe 10 config bw 10Kbit/s queue 20 is also a nice way to limit icmp traffic. Furthermore, with the new version of dumminet (in -current/-stable) you can also do ipfw pipe 10 config mask src-ip 0xffffffff dst-ip 0xffffffff \ bw 10Kbit/s queue 20 so you see where the icmp traffic is coming from/going to (of course the source address can be easily spoofed). I had to do this just yesterday night as our net was flooded by an icmp storm saturating our link to the outside. I have a bridge-firewall in the middle of our link right for this kind of traffic filtering/analysis... # ipfw show 00090 2765865 2965788663 deny icmp from any to XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX cheers luigi -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) Mobile +39-347-0373137 -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 6:32:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server1.huntsvilleal.com (www.huntsvilleal.com [207.13.224.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31C6156BA for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 06:32:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hiwaay.net) Received: from barricuda.bsd.nws.net (kris.huntsvilleal.com [207.13.224.46]) by server1.huntsvilleal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20015; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:15:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barricuda.bsd.nws.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA52519; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:32:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kris@hiwaay.net) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:32:00 -0600 (CST) From: Kris Kirby To: Warner Losh Cc: Marcin Cieslak , "Jason C. Wells" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver In-Reply-To: <200001270809.BAA43568@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Yes, but if you have a 1 slot agp 5 slot pci 1 slot isa system and > need 4 modems and an ethernet controller, you either go external with > a multiport card, or get 4 pci modem, 1 pci ethernet card, 1 agp or > isa video card and you are set. You're forgetting that the ISA slot is sharded with a PCI slot. --- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "God gave them the ability to reproduce... ... Science gave us the hope they won't." -KBK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 6:52:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server1.huntsvilleal.com (www.huntsvilleal.com [207.13.224.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3EF115699 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 06:52:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hiwaay.net) Received: from barricuda.bsd.nws.net (kris.huntsvilleal.com [207.13.224.46]) by server1.huntsvilleal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20574; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:36:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barricuda.bsd.nws.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA52743; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:52:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kris@hiwaay.net) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:52:21 -0600 (CST) From: Kris Kirby To: Warner Losh Cc: Marcin Cieslak , "Jason C. Wells" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > You're forgetting that the ISA slot is sharded with a PCI slot. "sharded" => shared. --- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "God gave them the ability to reproduce... ... Science gave us the hope they won't." -KBK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 7:25:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pi.yip.org (yip.org [199.45.111.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F47314EA1 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 07:25:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from melange@yip.org) Received: from localhost (melange@localhost) by pi.yip.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA69359 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:25:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from melange@yip.org) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:25:14 -0500 (EST) From: Bob K X-Sender: melange@localhost To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: OT: USR Couriers (was Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver) In-Reply-To: <20000127020527.C29922@pir.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Peter Radcliffe wrote: > Dan Zerkle probably said: > > I believe that they were bought by 3COM a few years back. I also > > believe that they *invented* winmodems, so be careful. > > Pretty much, yes. I'd like to note that their first Winmodems did, in fact, have a hardware DSP, and there were various hacks involving their win3.1 driver to get it working under DOS. (I wasn't using UNIX [beyond shell accts] back then) We have PCTel to thank for making the first software DSP modems. > > That said, the modem I got from them was just fine. I did have to > > revert to Windows to flash its ROM's, though. > > I am a _big_ fan of external USR couriers, their top of the line modem. > > They are _not_ cheap, but for me they are worth it because of the > saved hassle because they pretty much just work and being flash > upgradable essentially forever (14.4k couriers can be upgraded to > V.90). > > I like the external models since I can move them between machines > easily (and use them on non-PCs) as well as being able to reset them > without rebooting the machine. > > Never bought another modem ... Totally agreed. My Courier v.Everything started off with v.34, and has since progressed through v.34+, X2, and v.90. It's the only piece of equipment I have that's 4 years old and is in no way obsolete. (Well, until I get DSL or cable again, which is several months away) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 8:34: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tricord.system.pl (tricord.system.pl [195.205.185.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CAD514D56 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:33:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from saper@system.pl) Received: from localhost (saper@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tricord.system.pl (SYSTEM Internet) with ESMTP id RAA14190; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:32:34 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:32:31 +0100 (MET) From: Marcin Cieslak To: "Glendon M. Gross" Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , "Jason C. Wells" , Warner Losh , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Glendon M. Gross wrote: > > If Winmodems are so available, would it be possible to hack the > proprietary code and develop a KLM which could talk to the WinModem's DSP? > I know nobody wants to do this, but considering the availability of the > junky winmodems, it sure would be nice if there were such a module [short > of emulating MS-Windows in the background!] Yes, sure. Have look at 500KB+ driver for Lucent winmodem in my notebook (LTMODEM.VXD or something). Reverse engineering such amount of code is a challenge in itself. However, I am not sure if such a project had not already begun. -- << Marcin Cieslak // saper@system.pl >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- SYSTEM Internet Provider http://www.system.pl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 8:45: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vinyl.sentex.ca (vinyl.sentex.ca [209.112.4.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C2015513 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:44:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simoeon (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by vinyl.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA54742 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 11:44:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000127114238.019d4d40@staff.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@staff.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 11:42:38 -0500 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Yes, sure. Have look at 500KB+ driver for Lucent winmodem in my notebook >(LTMODEM.VXD or something). Reverse engineering such amount of code is >a challenge in itself. > >However, I am not sure if such a project had not already begun. Lucent has released a driver for LINUX for their Winmodems. Perhaps a little cajoling and they could do the same for FreeBSD. See http://www.linmodems.org/ ---Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Network Administrator, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 8:46: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0979F14D56 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:45:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05720; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:45:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA46066; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:46:00 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200001271646.JAA46066@harmony.village.org> To: "Glendon M. Gross" Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , Marcin Cieslak , "Jason C. Wells" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:24:22 GMT." References: Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:46:00 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message "Glendon M. Gross" writes: : If Winmodems are so available, would it be possible to hack the : proprietary code and develop a KLM which could talk to the WinModem's DSP? : I know nobody wants to do this, but considering the availability of the : junky winmodems, it sure would be nice if there were such a module [short : of emulating MS-Windows in the background!] No. The technical data just isn't available. I'll be happy to let someone else play those games. I just like pci modems because they perform better than their isa counterparts and can share interrupts. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 8:46:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pooh.elsevier.nl (pooh.elsevier.nl [145.36.9.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EC715691 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:46:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@pooh.elsevier.nl) Received: (from steve@localhost) by pooh.elsevier.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11204; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 16:45:32 GMT (envelope-from steve) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 16:45:32 -0000 (GMT) From: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" To: Marcin Cieslak Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Warner Losh , "Jason C. Wells" , "Rodney W. Grimes" , "Glendon M. Gross" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 27-Jan-00 Marcin Cieslak wrote: > On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Glendon M. Gross wrote: > >> >> If Winmodems are so available, would it be possible to hack the >> proprietary code and develop a KLM which could talk to the WinModem's DSP? >> I know nobody wants to do this, but considering the availability of the >> junky winmodems, it sure would be nice if there were such a module [short >> of emulating MS-Windows in the background!] > > Yes, sure. Have look at 500KB+ driver for Lucent winmodem in my notebook > (LTMODEM.VXD or something). Reverse engineering such amount of code is > a challenge in itself. > > However, I am not sure if such a project had not already begun. Yes it has, follow links from www.linmodems.org to Richard Close and Pavel Macheks driver, I managed to get it partially working on FreeBSD and I may go back to it at some point (when time and inclination coincide). You will also find links to Fabrice Bellards work on producing a completely soft modem which even works on solaris. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 8:56:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.dgweb.com (alpha.dgweb.com [207.218.73.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159CC157E1 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:56:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuzak@kuzak.net) Received: from kuzak (killer@sac1-44.dgweb.com [207.218.73.44]) by alpha.dgweb.com (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0Beta10) with SMTP id e0RGugR53381 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:56:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200001271656.e0RGugR53381@alpha.dgweb.com> X-Sender: kuzak@mail.kuzak.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:47:49 -0800 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Kuzak Subject: Odd DoS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I upgraded this server to 3.4-STABLE about a week ago after a long run with 3.2.. Last night it seems to have spontaniously started coughing up this error. The error seems to coinside exactly with a large incoming DoS attack that his right at 16:00. The attack appears all incoming, so I suspect not stream.c or a variant... If anyone knows what this is please let me know so I can try to stop it from happening again. In the end the server remained offline until I could get it rebooted. Jan 26 16:05:47 ai /kernel: arplookup 205.134.161.2 failed: host is not on local network Jan 26 16:06:24 ai /kernel: arplookup 205.134.161.2 failed: host is not on local network Jan 26 16:08:22 ai /kernel: arplookup 205.134.161.2 failed: host is not on local network Jan 26 16:09:05 ai last message repeated 91 times Jan 26 16:12:00 ai last message repeated 4 times ( this msg repeats until rebooted )... Also I am interested in compiling ICMP_BANDLIM into the kernel.. to make it work is there anything beyond adding it to the kernel that need be done, such as adding something to the rc.conf? -Aric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 9: 1:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vinyl.sentex.ca (vinyl.sentex.ca [209.112.4.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655461554D for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:01:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simoeon (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by vinyl.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA57877 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:01:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000127115929.019d5c80@staff.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@staff.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 11:59:29 -0500 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: Odd DoS In-Reply-To: <200001271656.e0RGugR53381@alpha.dgweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 08:47 AM 1/27/00 -0800, Kuzak wrote: >Jan 26 16:05:47 ai /kernel: arplookup 205.134.161.2 failed: host is not on >local network Do you have any anti-spoofing rules on your connection ? Is 205.134.161 a valid network for you ? Its hard to say what is going on without more details. The routing issue could be a side effect of something else. ---Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Network Administrator, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 9:36:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.nj.home.com (ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF7115896 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:36:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from garycor@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.3.185.85]) by mail.rdc1.nj.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000127173651.HSJY10143.mail.rdc1.nj.home.com@home.com>; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:36:51 -0800 Message-ID: <38908217.7CEC50CE@home.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:36:23 -0500 From: "Gary T. Corcoran" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: "Jason C. Wells" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver References: <200001270932.BAA76333@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: <> > > Bottom line, from some one in the busines for 10 years, you the consumer > are getting just what you have been telling us the reseller you want, > who have passed it right up the chain ``cheap parts''. This is completely true. > > For example, the guy - wholesaler tried to convince me that > > Winmodems are modems without a DSP (Digital Signalling Processor)! > He is somewhat correct, Winmodems have no _hardware_ DSP, > they use the host processor to do the DSPing. This is not (usually) true. A controllerless modem has a DSP to do the signal processing, but no controller to handle the 'AT' commands and control the DSP. These are what are usually called winmodems. There *are* modems with no DSP, little hardware, except for the line interface circuitry. These are usually called "soft modem"s, where the signal processing is done using the host CPU. These save the < $5 cost of having a DSP on chip. But when the consumers yell 'give me cheap'... Gary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 9:45:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.uniserve.com (mail2.uniserve.com [204.244.156.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4C1156E4 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:45:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca ([204.244.186.218]) by mail2.uniserve.com with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #4) id 12Dsyy-000Nvs-00; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:45:24 -0800 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:45:22 -0800 (PST) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Mike Bristow , "N.B. DelMore" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Multiple IP addresses In-Reply-To: <200001271219.EAA76809@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > Looks like a job for netalias: see > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=12071 > This hack promotes violation of ARIN and other IN registry policies > regarding use of IP space. Huh? What? I hope that isn't the reason why it isn't being accepted? I can see legitimate reasons why the patch isn't accepted but that isn't one of them. I can violate ARIN policies well enough without this patch. I've had outside consultants inform me how their clients use ancient Cisco AGS routers to dead-enter entire CIDR blocks so they pass the standard. On a side note, I'd actually like to see a mechanism to attach owners to IPs, and allows owners to bind to ports < 1024. Perhaps some sort of role-based control system needs to be looked at. Tom Uniserve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 9:45:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF606157B9 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:45:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA77414; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:45:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200001271745.JAA77414@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: icmp-response bandwidth limit 103/100 pps In-Reply-To: <20000127145504.A444@noc.fr.clara.net> from Sameh Ghane at "Jan 27, 2000 02:55:05 pm" To: sameh@fr.clara.net (Sameh Ghane) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:45:27 -0800 (PST) Cc: scrappy@hub.org (The Hermit Hacker), freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > Le Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 09:40:10AM -0400, The Hermit Hacker _crivit: > > > > I just want to confirm ... this means I'm being ping-flooded, or? > > Ping-flooded, or port-scanned, or too many connections to a port > with no daemon listening... > > > its a > > near-continuous stream and makes it difficult to do anything on the > > console :( Is there a way of getting rid of it? > > remove the line: > options ICMP_BANDLIM Do not remove that option, if you are infact being hit by stream.c or any of the other later attacks removing this will make it a far worse DOS. > in your kernel config file, or tell syslog not to print kernel > messages to the console. Or better yet get ipfw/ipfilter setup and find and filter what is causing the problem. > > icmp-response bandwidth limit 103/100 pps > > icmp-response bandwidth limit 102/100 pps > > icmp-response bandwidth limit 103/100 pps > > icmp-response bandwidth limit 102/100 pps > ... > -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 10: 1:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.nj.home.com (ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CFC15513 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:01:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from garycor@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.3.185.85]) by mail.rdc1.nj.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000127180130.ICBP10143.mail.rdc1.nj.home.com@home.com>; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:01:30 -0800 Message-ID: <389087E3.91E57F5F@home.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 13:01:07 -0500 From: "Gary T. Corcoran" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve O'Hara-Smith Cc: Marcin Cieslak , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Warner Losh , "Jason C. Wells" , "Rodney W. Grimes" , "Glendon M. Gross" Subject: Re: PCI Modem Driver References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > On 27-Jan-00 Marcin Cieslak wrote: > > On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Glendon M. Gross wrote: > > > >> > >> If Winmodems are so available, would it be possible to hack the > >> proprietary code and develop a KLM which could talk to the WinModem's DSP? > >> I know nobody wants to do this, but considering the availability of the > >> junky winmodems, it sure would be nice if there were such a module [short > >> of emulating MS-Windows in the background!] > > > > Yes, sure. Have look at 500KB+ driver for Lucent winmodem in my notebook > > (LTMODEM.VXD or something). Reverse engineering such amount of code is > > a challenge in itself. Your modem, heck even the PCI bus, will be obsolete before you could reverse engineer ltmodem.vxd... ;-) But I guess it's time to bring this up: Please note that what I am going to talk about is completely UNOFFICIAL and a background, spare-time task ONLY. So I can't guarantee when or IF I will complete this: I work at Lucent (official disclaimer: I do not speak for Lucent), and I have the source code for the ltmodem driver which is being ported to Linux. I got the code because I thought it would be nice if it could also be ported to FreeBSD (only a binary driver could be released, you understand). Being new to the specifics of both linux and freebsd drivers, and lacking time, it is not obvious how to port the driver to freebsd. If I could get some help from the FreeBSD community, however, such as pointers to the direction to take and to the source code of drivers that implement pieces of similar things, that would help. The tack taken with the linux port, and which seems the best way to port to freebsd, is to make the modem just look like another serial port. A *simple* serial port, but one which is a PCI device. I took a quick look at sio.c and was overwhelmed with the complexity (at first glance) of that driver. Is there a better example for my purposes? So, does anyone have any suggestions? Gary Corcoran To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 10: 6:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D38B155AA for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:06:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06153; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 11:06:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA46964; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 11:06:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200001271806.LAA46964@harmony.village.org> To: "Gary T. Corcoran" Subject: Re: PCI Modem Driver Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 27 Jan 2000 13:01:07 EST." <389087E3.91E57F5F@home.com> References: <389087E3.91E57F5F@home.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 11:06:47 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <389087E3.91E57F5F@home.com> "Gary T. Corcoran" writes: : So, does anyone have any suggestions? Yes. After the release freeze (eg next week), I'll be happy to help you by writing up something that should give you a hand at getting started. There are other tty drivers out there, but I'm not sure if they are simpler or more complext than sio. I personally do not like win modems, but if someone wants to support them, then I'll help that person do that. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 10:10:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (jason03.u.washington.edu [140.142.77.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA9514D11 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:09:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul9.u.washington.edu (jcwells@saul9.u.washington.edu [140.142.82.7]) by jason03.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id KAA16474; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:09:54 -0800 Received: from localhost (jcwells@localhost) by saul9.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA15278; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:09:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:09:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" To: Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver In-Reply-To: <200001270509.WAA93987@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Warner Losh wrote: >In message > >"Jason C. Wells" writes: >: So it turns out. My friend turned me on to a linux site that list the >: braindead modems. > >URL? I'd love to see that list... www.o2.net/~gromitkc/ IIRC >: Mine was on the list. The guy at the shop said, "That's >: stragne. I have a policy against carrying win-modems. Apparently, there >: was some lack of indication that it was a winmodem. He then assumed it >: wasnt a winmodem. > >Did the packaging say you needed a Pentium 133 or better? That's >another indication. Indeed. Later, Jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 10:31:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5C915037 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:31:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA77545; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:30:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200001271830.KAA77545@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver In-Reply-To: from "Glendon M. Gross" at "Jan 27, 2000 08:24:22 am" To: gross@clones.com (Glendon M. Gross) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:30:32 -0800 (PST) Cc: saper@system.pl (Marcin Cieslak), jcwells@u.washington.edu (Jason C. Wells), imp@village.org (Warner Losh), freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > If Winmodems are so available, would it be possible to hack the > proprietary code and develop a KLM which could talk to the WinModem's DSP? Ahhh.. not unless your ready to provide a full emulation of the windows API as you never know what these drivers might call. Also you need to do hard real time to be able to run a soft DSP, and we are a very long ways from hard real time. (So is windows, thats why these modems tend to be so problematic on systems under heavy loads). > I know nobody wants to do this, but considering the availability of the > junky winmodems, it sure would be nice if there were such a module [short > of emulating MS-Windows in the background!] Your going to have to emulate a rather larger portion of MS-windows to get them to work :-(. > Forgive me if it's not possible, but I'm starting to believe that "FreeBSD > can do anything." --Glen Gross > Anything that is reasonable to do... :-) -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 13:33:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2858B14D7B for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 13:33:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06984; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 14:33:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA48295; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 14:33:26 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200001272133.OAA48295@harmony.village.org> To: Kris Kirby Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver Cc: Marcin Cieslak , "Jason C. Wells" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:32:00 CST." References: Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 14:33:26 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Kris Kirby writes: : > Yes, but if you have a 1 slot agp 5 slot pci 1 slot isa system and : > need 4 modems and an ethernet controller, you either go external with : > a multiport card, or get 4 pci modem, 1 pci ethernet card, 1 agp or : > isa video card and you are set. : : You're forgetting that the ISA slot is sharded with a PCI slot. I lied. There are 2 ISA slots, one is shared with one of the pci slots. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 15:30:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kot.ne.mediaone.net (kot.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.15.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3E6158AF for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 15:30:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Received: from rtfm.newton (mi@rtfm.newton [10.10.0.1]) by kot.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA29477 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 18:30:09 -0500 (EST) From: Mikhail Teterin X-Relay-IP: 10.10.0.1 Received: (from mi@localhost) by rtfm.newton (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA59699 for stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 18:30:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Message-Id: <200001272330.SAA59699@rtfm.newton> Subject: delegating ports, interfaces (Re: Multiple IP addresses) In-Reply-To: from Tom at "Jan 27, 2000 09:45:22 am" To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 18:30:09 -0500 (EST) X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7w hJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli" To: Jorge Aldana Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MD5 Sigs on 3.4-20000124-STABLE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Jorge Aldana wrote: > I checked the signatures on the files I downloaded from > current.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/3.4-20000124-STABLE/ > > and the following fail the MD5 check: > > < = from CHECKSUM.MD5 listing > > = downloaded file. These all check out for me. Were the files truncated during download for you or something? Kris ---- "How many roads must a man walk down, before you call him a man?" "Eight!" "That was a rhetorical question!" "Oh..then, seven!" -- Homer Simpson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 16:39:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 2D9DA15BFA; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 16:39:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAE21CD6BE; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 16:39:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 16:39:43 -0800 (PST) From: Kris Kennaway To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: delegating ports, interfaces (Re: Multiple IP addresses) In-Reply-To: <200001272330.SAA59699@rtfm.newton> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > Yes, would be nice. Perhaps, as a /tcpip file-system? If I want to > special treat a port on one of the interfaces, I just change the > permissions on the file: > > /tcpip/localhost/tcp/ > /tcpip/localhost/udp/ > /tcpip/10.10.0.1/tcp/80 > > However, this is way outside of -stable and FreeBSD in general. You mean like portalfs? /usr/share/examples/portal/README Kris ---- "How many roads must a man walk down, before you call him a man?" "Eight!" "That was a rhetorical question!" "Oh..then, seven!" -- Homer Simpson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 16:56:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tesla-e0.salk.edu (tesla-e0.salk.edu [198.202.70.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B428915853; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 16:56:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jorge@salk.edu) Received: from axelrod.salk.edu (axelrod.salk.edu [198.202.70.121]) by tesla-e0.salk.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14532; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 16:56:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 16:55:43 -0800 (PST) From: Jorge Aldana To: Kris Kennaway Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MD5 Sigs on 3.4-20000124-STABLE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yes, the ftp app (IglooFTP Alpha v0.6.1) I was using consistently corrupted/truncated the same files which made it difficult to pin point, basic ftp took care of it. Sorry for the worry. Jorge On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Jorge Aldana wrote: > > > I checked the signatures on the files I downloaded from > > current.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/3.4-20000124-STABLE/ > > > > and the following fail the MD5 check: > > > > < = from CHECKSUM.MD5 listing > > > = downloaded file. > > These all check out for me. Were the files truncated during download for > you or something? > > Kris > > ---- > "How many roads must a man walk down, before you call him a man?" > "Eight!" > "That was a rhetorical question!" > "Oh..then, seven!" -- Homer Simpson > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 19:34: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from blaubaer.kn-bremen.de (blaubaer.kn-bremen.de [195.37.179.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FA715790 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:34:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nox@saturn.kn-bremen.de) Received: from saturn.kn-bremen.de (uucp@localhost) by blaubaer.kn-bremen.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id EAA30292; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 04:29:11 +0100 Received: (from nox@localhost) by saturn.kn-bremen.de (8.9.3/8.8.5) id EAA15051; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 04:26:15 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 04:26:15 +0100 (CET) From: Juergen Lock Message-Id: <200001280326.EAA15051@saturn.kn-bremen.de> To: imp@village.org Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver X-Newsgroups: local.list.freebsd.stable In-Reply-To: <200001271646.JAA46066@harmony.village.org> References: Organization: home Cc: "Glendon M. Gross" , "Rodney W. Grimes" , Marcin Cieslak , "Jason C. Wells" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <200001271646.JAA46066@harmony.village.org> you write: >[winmodems... i don't care about those] >I just like pci modems because they perform better than their isa >counterparts and can share interrupts. They perform better?? shouldn't the isa bus' bandwidth be more than enough for the (even compressed) 56kbps of a modem? Btw even before there were `winmodems' and pci i preferred external ones, they have LEDs that tell you whats going on or whats wrong with the connection (and some also have things like a button to hang up or transfer the call to/from a connected phone...) and you can also reset them without having to reboot the entire box. And about the interrupts, well, i just got a cheap used 4-port sio card, now the mouse (trackball, actually), modem and the link to the little isdn pbx only take a single interrupt and i still have one port free for other things... Regards, -- Juergen Lock (remove dot foo from address to reply) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 19:57:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9479157E1 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:56:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08879; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:56:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA51783; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:57:06 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200001280357.UAA51783@harmony.village.org> To: Juergen Lock Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 28 Jan 2000 04:26:15 +0100." <200001280326.EAA15051@saturn.kn-bremen.de> References: <200001280326.EAA15051@saturn.kn-bremen.de> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:57:06 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200001280326.EAA15051@saturn.kn-bremen.de> Juergen Lock writes: : They perform better?? shouldn't the isa bus' bandwidth be more : than enough for the (even compressed) 56kbps of a modem? We've found that we get better ping times (about 10% faster)[*], fewer dropped characters due to interrupt latency[**] and the system seems a little snappier[***]. We've also measured a 5% increase in ftp performance on the usual ftp a big honkin' file.[****] These tests were performed on an AMD 5x86 133 based machine (a 486 class machine running at a 33MHz bus). The old ISA modems were US Robotics Sportsters while the new PCI modem was the ActionTec FAX Modem (don't know what they called this in their released version, since this was a preliminary one). We have about 50-100 firewall rules (same ruleset for both runs, we've changed it since the tests I performed, so I don't have an exact number). The remove modem was a US Robotics sportster internal ISA modem. On the ISA based modems, we'd see about 10 dropped character events a day when traffic got heavy. We have two 33.6 connections on this machine. With the PCI modems, we see about 1 a week. My guess is that we're running right on the harry edge of needing more CPU power and the lower PCI latency and faster bus response makes the difference here. So it isn't a huge win (you won't get 2x the performance), but it did allow us to make our under powered machine last a few more months while we saved for larger iron to replace it and two other machines with (mostly to consolidate rack space given today's insanely inexpensive machines). While one external modem vs 1 internal modem may be a no brainer, it gets really hairy when you have 5 or 6 external modems, each with their own wall wort. Those wall worts eat powerstrip real estate like you wouldn't believe. Warner [*] 170ms vs 140ms, which is more like 20% is what I'm measuring now on a mixed machine (we just brought up a new member and haven't converted him to a new pci modem yet) right now. I seem to recall it went from 160ms to 140ms [**] Haven't seen a buffer overflow since Dec 2 with the sio. Before we'd see 10 messages a day of xxx more interrupt-level buffer overflows. These were worst when large transfers were happening during daily or weekly running. [***] Purely subjective [****] Typical ftp the kernel to /dev/null over the link 3 times, average rates and compare before/after. I can no longer find the numbers to back up this claim, and I don't have an account on the other end of new client to test it out via the same machine. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 20:10:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA8715843 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:10:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08953; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:10:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA51925; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:10:29 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200001280410.VAA51925@harmony.village.org> Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver To: Juergen Lock , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:57:06 MST." <200001280357.UAA51783@harmony.village.org> References: <200001280357.UAA51783@harmony.village.org> <200001280326.EAA15051@saturn.kn-bremen.de> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:10:29 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200001280357.UAA51783@harmony.village.org> Warner Losh writes: : class machine running at a 33MHz bus). The old ISA modems were US : Robotics Sportsters US Robotic Sporster 28.8 upgraded to 33.6. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 20:13:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c1870039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33DB15928 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:13:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roelof@nisser.com) Received: from nisser.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA23448; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:14:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@nisser.com) Message-ID: <3891177C.5CA59D6E@nisser.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:13:48 +0100 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kuzak Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Odd DoS References: <200001271656.e0RGugR53381@alpha.dgweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kuzak wrote: > > I upgraded this server to 3.4-STABLE about a week ago after > a long run with 3.2.. Last night it seems to have spontaniously > started coughing up this error. The error seems to coinside > ... > Jan 26 16:08:22 ai /kernel: arplookup 205.134.161.2 failed: host is not on > local network > Jan 26 16:09:05 ai last message repeated 91 times > Jan 26 16:12:00 ai last message repeated 4 times I get like errors but in my case I blame it on an aliassed IP that is on a different subnet than the primary IP is. Have had it for months now and it's not really detrimental to the health of your system. Annoying, to be sure. But other than that is merely renders dmesg useless and can occasionally cause file table overruns. However nothing critical that I've noticed. Roelof -- Bûter, brea en griene tsiis Hwa dat net ite kin is gjin oprjochte Fries http://www.omutens.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 20:47: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from neptune.innovativeinternet.net (neptune.innovativeinternet.net [208.244.165.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 367D614F26 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:46:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Harlan.Stenn@pfcs.com) Received: (qmail 5795 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2000 04:46:42 -0000 Received: from harlan.fred.net (HELO pcpsj.pfcs.com) (@208.238.64.78) by neptune.innovativeinternet.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2000 04:46:42 -0000 Received: from mumps.pfcs.com [192.52.69.11] (HELO mumps.pfcs.com) by pcpsj.pfcs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) via ESMTP id ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from brown.pfcs.com [192.52.69.44] (HELO brown.pfcs.com) by mumps.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:44:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.pfcs.com [127.0.0.1] (HELO brown.pfcs.com) by brown.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:44:02 -0500 (EST) To: Roelof Osinga Cc: Kuzak , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Odd DoS In-Reply-To: Roelof Osinga's (roelof@nisser.com) message dated Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:13:48. <3891177C.5CA59D6E@nisser.com> X-Face: "csXK}xnnsH\h_ce`T#|pM]tG,6Xu.{3Rb\]&XJgVyTS'w{E+|-(}n:c(Cc* $cbtusxDP6T)Hr'k&zrwq0.3&~bAI~YJco[r.mE+K|(q]F=ZNXug:s6tyOk{VTqARy0#axm6BWti9C d User-Agent: EMH/1.10.0 SEMI/1.13.3 (Komaiko) FLIM/1.12.7 (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Y?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=1B=2ED=8E=FEzaki?=) XEmacs/21.1 (20 Minutes to Nikko) (i386-unknown-freebsd2.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.3 - "Komaiko") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:44:02 -0500 Message-ID: <4639.949034642@brown.pfcs.com> From: Harlan Stenn Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Why don't you add a suitable network route entry for the 2nd IP and make the problem go away? H To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 27 20:48:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from internal.mail.demon.net (internal.mail.demon.net [193.195.224.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C80159CC for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:48:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fanf@demon.net) Received: from fanf.eng.demon.net (fanf.eng.demon.net [195.11.55.89]) by internal.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id EAA01478; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 04:48:21 GMT Received: from fanf by fanf.eng.demon.net with local (Exim 3.12 #3) id 12E3KX-000B9P-00; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 04:48:21 +0000 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net From: Tony Finch Subject: PR#12071, was Re: Multiple IP addresses In-Reply-To: <200001271219.EAA76809@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> References: <20000127121120.A36056@lindt.urgle.com> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 04:48:21 +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: > >This hack promotes violation of ARIN and other IN registry policies >regarding use of IP space. No, the only reason for using lots of IP addresses is having thousands of customers that require them. This patch was originally developed before the Host: header existed, and we have thousands of customers dating from that period which is why we find it useful. It's far more manageable than thousands of separately configured aliases (using the NetBSD hashed interface table or some other hack). It's the reason we are using FreeBSD rather than Irix for our Homepages accelerators. These are probably the only machines on the Internet with 96K configured IP addresses; my current project will return them to RIPE to be used for better purposes, but we'll still use NETALIAS for the /28 that will replace them. Tony. -- the dot at person To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 28 0:21: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F6C159FC for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:21:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA80444; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:20:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200001280820.AAA80444@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver In-Reply-To: <200001280410.VAA51925@harmony.village.org> from Warner Losh at "Jan 27, 2000 09:10:29 pm" To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:20:32 -0800 (PST) Cc: nox@jelal.kn-bremen.de (Juergen Lock), freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message <200001280357.UAA51783@harmony.village.org> Warner Losh writes: > : class machine running at a 33MHz bus). The old ISA modems were US > : Robotics Sportsters > > US Robotic Sporster 28.8 upgraded to 33.6. Using 2 or 3 year old DSP technolgy vs a current DSP technology modem. That explains the delta in your line error rate, the newer DSP's have a lot more horse power and the FIR filters are an order of magnitude better since they have all this horsepower to use from a $5.00 chip. I suspect that a modern ISA modem would have solved your problem as well... or at least made your comparison orange to orange :-) -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 28 0:23:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437AE14E80 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:23:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA80458; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:22:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200001280822.AAA80458@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Odd DoS In-Reply-To: <3891177C.5CA59D6E@nisser.com> from Roelof Osinga at "Jan 28, 2000 05:13:48 am" To: roelof@nisser.com (Roelof Osinga) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:22:47 -0800 (PST) Cc: kuzak@kuzak.net (Kuzak), freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > Kuzak wrote: > > > > I upgraded this server to 3.4-STABLE about a week ago after > > a long run with 3.2.. Last night it seems to have spontaniously > > started coughing up this error. The error seems to coinside > > ... > > Jan 26 16:08:22 ai /kernel: arplookup 205.134.161.2 failed: host is not on > > local network > > Jan 26 16:09:05 ai last message repeated 91 times > > Jan 26 16:12:00 ai last message repeated 4 times > > I get like errors but in my case I blame it on an aliassed IP that > is on a different subnet than the primary IP is. Have had it for > months now and it's not really detrimental to the health of your > system. Annoying, to be sure. But other than that is merely renders > dmesg useless and can occasionally cause file table overruns. However > nothing critical that I've noticed. Fix your netmask on your alias and these will go away. If your using an IP address as an alias it should have a netmask of 0xffffffff. -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 28 0:49:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pooh.elsevier.nl (pooh.elsevier.nl [145.36.9.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A16014C46 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:49:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@pooh.elsevier.nl) Received: (from steve@localhost) by pooh.elsevier.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00344; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:47:25 GMT (envelope-from steve) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <389087E3.91E57F5F@home.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:47:25 -0000 (GMT) From: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" To: "Gary T. Corcoran" Subject: Re: PCI Modem Driver Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 27-Jan-00 Gary T. Corcoran wrote: > Your modem, heck even the PCI bus, will be obsolete before you could reverse > engineer ltmodem.vxd... ;-) Hmm, the tack being taken by the people who have working code is to treat the modem as a soundcard with phone line interface (they don't even try to use the DSP). Their setup is completely userland - not even a kernel module. IMHO a nice direction to go would be to abstract the Lucent stuff from the OS dependent stuff then put the former in a .o file with an API compile it for FreeBSD (et alia) document the API and it should be easy enough to produce a whole suite of apps/kernel drivers. Actually I would like to see the source released but ... See my other mail in freebsd-stable for links. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 28 0:52:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.dgweb.com (alpha.dgweb.com [207.218.73.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD484158E1 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:52:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuzak@kuzak.net) Received: from kuzak (killer@sac1-2.dgweb.com [207.218.73.2]) by alpha.dgweb.com (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0Beta10) with SMTP id e0S8lqw78870; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:47:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200001280847.e0S8lqw78870@alpha.dgweb.com> X-Sender: kuzak@mail.kuzak.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:38:58 -0800 To: "Rodney W. Grimes" From: Kuzak Subject: Re: Odd DoS Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200001280822.AAA80458@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> References: <3891177C.5CA59D6E@nisser.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The ip is not aliased on my server, nor is it routed to it.. After examining the problem further, it looks like the NIC went down due to the dos attack and needed to be reinitialized.. not sure why that is since the attack was only in the range of 6mbps. -Aric At 12:22 AM 1/28/00 -0800, you wrote: >[Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] >> Kuzak wrote: >> > >> > I upgraded this server to 3.4-STABLE about a week ago after >> > a long run with 3.2.. Last night it seems to have spontaniously >> > started coughing up this error. The error seems to coinside >> > ... >> > Jan 26 16:08:22 ai /kernel: arplookup 205.134.161.2 failed: host is not on >> > local network >> > Jan 26 16:09:05 ai last message repeated 91 times >> > Jan 26 16:12:00 ai last message repeated 4 times >> >> I get like errors but in my case I blame it on an aliassed IP that >> is on a different subnet than the primary IP is. Have had it for >> months now and it's not really detrimental to the health of your >> system. Annoying, to be sure. But other than that is merely renders >> dmesg useless and can occasionally cause file table overruns. However >> nothing critical that I've noticed. > >Fix your netmask on your alias and these will go away. If your >using an IP address as an alias it should have a netmask of 0xffffffff. > >-- >Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 28 4:28:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from intranova.net (blacklisted.intranova.net [209.3.31.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3878F156DD for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 04:28:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oogali@intranova.net) Received: (qmail 6432 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2000 07:31:11 -0000 Received: from missnglnk.wants.to-fuck.com (HELO hydrant.intranova.net) (user75422@209.201.95.10) by blacklisted.intranova.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2000 07:31:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:27:46 -0500 (EST) From: Omachonu Ogali To: Kuzak Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Odd DoS In-Reply-To: <200001271656.e0RGugR53381@alpha.dgweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nothin extra needs to be added to rc.conf for ICMP_BANDLIM to work, just add 'options ICMP_BANDLIM' to your kernel configuration, and recompile and that should be it. There is one sysctl variable that is added as a result of ICMP_BANDLIM, net.inet.icmp.bandlim, this specifies the number of packets to limit per second, the default is 100pps. Just to let you know... Omachonu Ogali Intranova Networking Group On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Kuzak wrote: > I upgraded this server to 3.4-STABLE about a week ago after > a long run with 3.2.. Last night it seems to have spontaniously > started coughing up this error. The error seems to coinside > exactly with a large incoming DoS attack that his right at > 16:00. The attack appears all incoming, so I suspect not > stream.c or a variant... If anyone knows what this is please > let me know so I can try to stop it from happening again. In > the end the server remained offline until I could get it rebooted. > > Jan 26 16:05:47 ai /kernel: arplookup 205.134.161.2 failed: host is not on > local network > Jan 26 16:06:24 ai /kernel: arplookup 205.134.161.2 failed: host is not on > local network > Jan 26 16:08:22 ai /kernel: arplookup 205.134.161.2 failed: host is not on > local network > Jan 26 16:09:05 ai last message repeated 91 times > Jan 26 16:12:00 ai last message repeated 4 times > > ( this msg repeats until rebooted )... > > > Also I am interested in compiling ICMP_BANDLIM into > the kernel.. to make it work is there anything beyond adding > it to the kernel that need be done, such as adding something > to the rc.conf? > -Aric > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 28 5:35:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c1870039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE0615AEC for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:35:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roelof@nisser.com) Received: from nisser.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA25546; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:36:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@nisser.com) Message-ID: <38919B3A.FFA1E70D@nisser.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:35:54 +0100 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Kuzak , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Odd DoS References: <200001280822.AAA80458@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: > > Fix your netmask on your alias and these will go away. If your > using an IP address as an alias it should have a netmask of 0xffffffff. No they don't. Details are in the archives, b.t.w. Nonetheless I take it you mean something like: ifconfig_ep1="inet 212.187.0.39 netmask 255.255.248.0" #used to be #ifconfig_ep1_alias0="inet 194.134.130.170 194.134.128.1 netmask 255.255.252.0" #according to some: ifconfig_ep1_alias0="inet 194.134.130.170 netmask 255.255.255.255" #ifconfig_le0="inet 194.134.130.170 netmask 255.255.252.0" #defaultrouter="10.0.0.10" #defaultrouter="194.134.128.1" defaultrouter="212.187.0.1" #static_routes="euronet" #route_euronet="194.134.0.0 194.134.128.1" The only difference is that a -1 netmask results in less ARP failures. Anyway, I think it has been written to facilitate aliassed addresses within the same subnet. I.e. all having the same gateway. The above is an unforeseen case and that it works at all is a compliment to the coder(s). Mine is probably a special case, and temporary to boot. I can live with the: ... arplookup 194.134.128.1 failed: host is not on local network arplookup 194.134.128.1 failed: host is not on local network file: table is full file: table is full ... until the time I can do without the alias. Apparantly, so can FreeBSD. It has been 41 days since the last CVSup . Having tested most, if not all, permutations possible in the config above by commenting and uncommenting appropriate sections; not to mention the manual fiddling with routes, ifconfigs and ARP tables I do feel justified in pointing out that it might very well be caused by having an alias on a different subnet. Roelof -- Dog's house at http://cairni.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 28 5:57:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c1870039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1D114D2A for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:57:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roelof@nisser.com) Received: from nisser.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA25622; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:58:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@nisser.com) Message-ID: <3891A05D.3A137CA9@nisser.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:57:49 +0100 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kuzak Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Odd DoS References: <4639.949034642@brown.pfcs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Harlan Stenn wrote: > > Why don't you add a suitable network route entry for the 2nd IP and make the > problem go away? Been there, done that. Alas. See reply to Rodney for details. If do you spot a likely permutation I missed, by all means. See also the archives for records of most permutations I've tried. Roelof PS all the examples of successful aliased IP addresses I've come across were in the same subnet. Mine is not PPS Harlan Stenn , you might like to know: Non-authoritative answer: Name: pfcs.com Address: 208.244.164.247 > set type=mx > pfcs.com Server: localhost Address: 127.0.0.1 *** localhost can't find pfcs.com: Non-existent host/domain > set type=mx > pfcs.com gatekeeper.dec.com Server: gatekeeper.dec.com Address: 204.123.2.2 *** gatekeeper.dec.com can't find pfcs.com: Non-existent host/domain > pfcs.com neptune.innovativeinternet.com Server: neptune.innovativeinternet.net Address: 208.244.165.5 Aliases: neptune.innovativeinternet.com pfcs.com preference = 120, mail exchanger = neptune.innovativeinternet.com pfcs.com preference = 100, mail exchanger = harlan.fred.net pfcs.com preference = 110, mail exchanger = harlan.clark.net pfcs.com nameserver = neptune.innovativeinternet.com harlan.fred.net internet address = 208.238.64.78 harlan.clark.net internet address = 168.143.4.100 Looks like you're there, but not yet here -- Dog's house at http://cairni.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 28 6:11:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B7114BE9 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:11:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA81282; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:11:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200001281411.GAA81282@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Odd DoS In-Reply-To: <38919B3A.FFA1E70D@nisser.com> from Roelof Osinga at "Jan 28, 2000 02:35:54 pm" To: roelof@nisser.com (Roelof Osinga) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:11:08 -0800 (PST) Cc: kuzak@kuzak.net (Kuzak), freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: > > > > Fix your netmask on your alias and these will go away. If your > > using an IP address as an alias it should have a netmask of 0xffffffff. > > No they don't. Details are in the archives, b.t.w. Nonetheless I > take it you mean something like: > > ifconfig_ep1="inet 212.187.0.39 netmask 255.255.248.0" ^^^^^^ Are you really supernetted here? This could be a major part of your problem. Don't you mean ``255.255.255.248''? > #used to be > #ifconfig_ep1_alias0="inet 194.134.130.170 194.134.128.1 netmask > 255.255.252.0" The above won't even parse correctly by ifconfig, 2 ip's???? and again, is this network SUPERNETTED? Or is the netmask suppose to actually be 255.255.255.252? > #according to some: > ifconfig_ep1_alias0="inet 194.134.130.170 netmask 255.255.255.255" > #ifconfig_le0="inet 194.134.130.170 netmask 255.255.252.0" > #defaultrouter="10.0.0.10" > #defaultrouter="194.134.128.1" > defaultrouter="212.187.0.1" > #static_routes="euronet" > #route_euronet="194.134.0.0 194.134.128.1" > > The only difference is that a -1 netmask results in less ARP > failures. And you'll probably get even less if your really have an off by <<8 in your netmask and you fix it... > > Anyway, I think it has been written to facilitate aliassed addresses > within the same subnet. I.e. all having the same gateway. The above > is an unforeseen case and that it works at all is a compliment to > the coder(s). > > Mine is probably a special case, and temporary to boot. I can live > with the: > > ... > arplookup 194.134.128.1 failed: host is not on local network > arplookup 194.134.128.1 failed: host is not on local network > file: table is full > file: table is full > ... What does your routing table look like??? > > until the time I can do without the alias. Apparantly, so can > FreeBSD. It has been 41 days since the last CVSup . > > Having tested most, if not all, permutations possible in the config > above by commenting and uncommenting appropriate sections; not to > mention the manual fiddling with routes, ifconfigs and ARP tables > I do feel justified in pointing out that it might very well be > caused by having an alias on a different subnet. I do this all the time to route between 2 subnets on the same physical ethernet on 1 physical interface on 1 box. It works just fine, I don't get bottles of arplookup's unless I blow one of the netmask some place or a -interface route. -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 28 6:12:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shell.monmouth.com (shell.monmouth.com [209.191.58.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87BEF14E5E for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:12:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pechter@bg-tc-ppp724.monmouth.com) Received: from bg-tc-ppp724.monmouth.com (root@bg-tc-ppp724.monmouth.com [209.191.63.160]) by shell.monmouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21456 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:12:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by bg-tc-ppp724.monmouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05716 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:14:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from pechter) From: Bill Pechter Message-Id: <200001281414.JAA05716@bg-tc-ppp724.monmouth.com> Subject: Winmodems To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:14:54 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: bpechter@shell.monmouth.com X-Phone-Number: 732-935-0629 X-OS-Type: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 13:01:07 -0500 > From: "Gary T. Corcoran" > Subject: Re: PCI Modem Driver > > Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > > On 27-Jan-00 Marcin Cieslak wrote: > > > On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Glendon M. Gross wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> If Winmodems are so available, would it be possible to hack the > > >> proprietary code and develop a KLM which could talk to the WinModem's DSP? > > >> I know nobody wants to do this, but considering the availability of the > > >> junky winmodems, it sure would be nice if there were such a module [short > > >> of emulating MS-Windows in the background!] > > > > > > Yes, sure. Have look at 500KB+ driver for Lucent winmodem in my notebook > > > (LTMODEM.VXD or something). Reverse engineering such amount of code is > > > a challenge in itself. > > Your modem, heck even the PCI bus, will be obsolete before you could reverse > engineer ltmodem.vxd... ;-) > > But I guess it's time to bring this up: > > Please note that what I am going to talk about is completely > UNOFFICIAL and a background, spare-time task ONLY. > So I can't guarantee when or IF I will complete this: > > I work at Lucent (official disclaimer: I do not speak for Lucent), > and I have the source code for the ltmodem driver which is being > ported to Linux. I got the code because I thought it would be nice > if it could also be ported to FreeBSD (only a binary driver could > be released, you understand). Being new to the specifics > of both linux and freebsd drivers, and lacking time, it is not > obvious how to port the driver to freebsd. Sounds like a great idea. I've been hoping someone would do this. > > If I could get some help from the FreeBSD community, however, such > as pointers to the direction to take and to the source code of drivers > that implement pieces of similar things, that would help. > > The tack taken with the linux port, and which seems the best way to > port to freebsd, is to make the modem just look like another serial > port. A *simple* serial port, but one which is a PCI device. > I took a quick look at sio.c and was overwhelmed with the complexity > (at first glance) of that driver. Is there a better example for > my purposes? > > So, does anyone have any suggestions? > > Gary Corcoran > Gary, I'd love to see it done, but I'd like to see if it can be made to work for both ISA and PCI versions of the modem... I work for Lucent and drooled over a pile of these modems at one of my PC suppliers cheap... I'd like to know exactly what chips to look for for on the modem to know if the Linux driver will work with it. I believe these are controllerless modems -- not dsp-less. However I'd like to verify the info... I believe the Lucent driver is currently binary PCI bus only. (There's a ton of Linux hackers in Lucent, but the FreeBSD types are starting to catch up...) Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bpechter@monmouth.com|pechter@pechter.dyndns.org|pechter@pechter.bsdonline.org Three things never anger: First, the one who runs your DEC, The one who does Field Service and the one who signs your check. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 28 6:18:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from diarmadhi.mushhaven.net (diarmadhi.mushhaven.net [63.75.111.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF49214EF0 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:18:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mistwolf@diarmadhi.mushhaven.net) Received: (from mistwolf@localhost) by diarmadhi.mushhaven.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA80650; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:15:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mistwolf) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:15:20 -0800 From: Jamie Norwood To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Odd DoS Message-ID: <20000128061520.A80597@mushhaven.net> References: <38919B3A.FFA1E70D@nisser.com> <200001281411.GAA81282@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <200001281411.GAA81282@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 06:11:08AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > #ifconfig_ep1_alias0="inet 194.134.130.170 194.134.128.1 netmask > > 255.255.252.0" > > The above won't even parse correctly by ifconfig, 2 ip's???? and > again, is this network SUPERNETTED? Or is the netmask suppose to > actually be 255.255.255.252? Err, yes, it will, it's not two IPs, it is IP DEST. From man ifconfig: SYNOPSIS ifconfig interface address_family [address [dest_address]] [parameters] Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 28 6:33:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7929158B0 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:33:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA81327; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:33:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200001281433.GAA81327@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Odd DoS In-Reply-To: <20000128061520.A80597@mushhaven.net> from Jamie Norwood at "Jan 28, 2000 06:15:20 am" To: mistwolf@mushhaven.net (Jamie Norwood) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:33:09 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 06:11:08AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > #ifconfig_ep1_alias0="inet 194.134.130.170 194.134.128.1 netmask > > > 255.255.252.0" > > > > The above won't even parse correctly by ifconfig, 2 ip's???? and > > again, is this network SUPERNETTED? Or is the netmask suppose to > > actually be 255.255.255.252? > > Err, yes, it will, it's not two IPs, it is IP DEST. Not on epX it ain't!!! > > >From man ifconfig: > > SYNOPSIS > ifconfig interface address_family [address [dest_address]] [parameters] From man ifconfig: dest_address Specify the address of the correspondent on the other end of a point to point link. gndrsh:root {1327}# !1324 ifconfig de0 inet 194.134.130.170 194.134.128.1 netmask 255.255.252.0 gndrsh:root {1328}# Jan 28 06:30:34 gndrsh gated[108]: if_rtup: UP route for interface de0 194.134.130.170/255.255.252 gndrsh:root {1328}# ifconfig -a de0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 194.134.130.170 netmask 0xfffffc00 broadcast 194.134.128.1 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ether 00:c0:f0:04:2c:d4 media: autoselect (10base5/AUI) status: active supported media: autoselect 10base5/AUI 10base2/BNC 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP ... That 194.134.128.1 actual screws up the broadcast address, which is what the second argument to the underlying ioctl gets used for when it is set!!! -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 28 6:36:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from diarmadhi.mushhaven.net (diarmadhi.mushhaven.net [63.75.111.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC4114BD4 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:36:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mistwolf@diarmadhi.mushhaven.net) Received: (from mistwolf@localhost) by diarmadhi.mushhaven.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA80802; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:32:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mistwolf) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:32:41 -0800 From: Jamie Norwood To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Odd DoS Message-ID: <20000128063240.A80784@mushhaven.net> References: <20000128061520.A80597@mushhaven.net> <200001281433.GAA81327@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <200001281433.GAA81327@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Whooooops! My bad. *hangs head in shame* Hee. S'what I get for posting a half hour before my last shift of the week ends. Didn't read far enough. But I bet, still, that what I said is what he was thinking. ;) Jamie On Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 06:33:09AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > Not on epX it ain't!!! > > > >From man ifconfig: > dest_address > Specify the address of the correspondent on the other end of a > point to point link. > > gndrsh:root {1327}# !1324 > ifconfig de0 inet 194.134.130.170 194.134.128.1 netmask 255.255.252.0 > gndrsh:root {1328}# Jan 28 06:30:34 gndrsh gated[108]: if_rtup: UP route for interface de0 194.134.130.170/255.255.252 > > gndrsh:root {1328}# ifconfig -a > de0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet 194.134.130.170 netmask 0xfffffc00 broadcast 194.134.128.1 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ether 00:c0:f0:04:2c:d4 > media: autoselect (10base5/AUI) status: active > supported media: autoselect 10base5/AUI 10base2/BNC 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP > > ... > That 194.134.128.1 actual screws up the broadcast address, which is what > the second argument to the underlying ioctl gets used for when it is > set!!! > > > -- > Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 28 6:41:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67EAF15596 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:41:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA81362; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:41:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200001281441.GAA81362@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Odd DoS In-Reply-To: <20000128063240.A80784@mushhaven.net> from Jamie Norwood at "Jan 28, 2000 06:32:41 am" To: mistwolf@mushhaven.net (Jamie Norwood) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:41:44 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Whooooops! My bad. *hangs head in shame* Hee. S'what I get for > posting a half hour before my last shift of the week ends. Didn't > read far enough. But I bet, still, that what I said is what he > was thinking. ;) Yea.. and it would explain arp having lots of trouble tooo... oh.. and I just found another way to generate arplookup errors that I had forgotten about. Sharing a hub/switch with routers running multicast routing protocols can lead to these if you have 2 subnets sharing the same logical network link layer and try to run say something like ospf on both subnet address ranges. arplookup B.B.B.x failed: host is not on local network arplookup B.B.B.x failed: host is not on local network arplookup B.B.B.x failed: host is not on local network arplookup B.B.B.x failed: host is not on local network arplookup B.B.B.x failed: host is not on local network arplookup B.B.B.x failed: host is not on local network arplookup B.B.B.x failed: host is not on local network arplookup B.B.B.x failed: host is not on local network Seen on a A.A.A.x box caused by starting ospf on a B.B.B.x box sharing a hub with an ospf allready running on A.A.A.x but I doubt that this is his problem, I think we found it above with the missuse of dest-addr on ethernet maybe... > Jamie > > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 06:33:09AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > Not on epX it ain't!!! > > > > > > >From man ifconfig: > > dest_address > > Specify the address of the correspondent on the other end of a > > point to point link. > > > > gndrsh:root {1327}# !1324 > > ifconfig de0 inet 194.134.130.170 194.134.128.1 netmask 255.255.252.0 > > gndrsh:root {1328}# Jan 28 06:30:34 gndrsh gated[108]: if_rtup: UP route for interface de0 194.134.130.170/255.255.252 > > > > gndrsh:root {1328}# ifconfig -a > > de0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > > inet 194.134.130.170 netmask 0xfffffc00 broadcast 194.134.128.1 > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > ether 00:c0:f0:04:2c:d4 > > media: autoselect (10base5/AUI) status: active > > supported media: autoselect 10base5/AUI 10base2/BNC 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP > > > > ... > > That 194.134.128.1 actual screws up the broadcast address, which is what > > the second argument to the underlying ioctl gets used for when it is > > set!!! > > > > > > -- > > Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net > -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 28 6:45:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tricord.system.pl (tricord.system.pl [195.205.185.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B629E15148 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:44:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from saper@system.pl) Received: from localhost (saper@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tricord.system.pl (SYSTEM Internet) with ESMTP id PAA03031; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:43:55 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:43:52 +0100 (MET) From: Marcin Cieslak To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Warner's PCI Modem Driver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > Pavel Macheks driver, I managed to get it partially working on FreeBSD and I > may go back to it at some point (when time and inclination coincide). Can you publish your results somewhere? did you hacked libpci? whatever? A have a nice Lucent-Compaq V90 VSC modem to try in my notebook :) -- << Marcin Cieslak // saper@system.pl >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- SYSTEM Internet Provider http://www.system.pl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 28 6:49:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c1870039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D78B015010 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:49:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roelof@nisser.com) Received: from nisser.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA25915; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:50:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@nisser.com) Message-ID: <3891AC99.CC9F8D3@nisser.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:50:01 +0100 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Kuzak , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Odd DoS References: <200001281411.GAA81282@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: > > > ifconfig_ep1="inet 212.187.0.39 netmask 255.255.248.0" > ^^^^^^ > Are you really supernetted here? This could be a major part of > your problem. Don't you mean ``255.255.255.248''? You had me going there for a second . Though I'd written 5 bytes. Alas, nothing so simple. That netmask is as it should be. Besides, it is a totally different route, the messages have to do with the other subnet. > > #ifconfig_ep1_alias0="inet 194.134.130.170 194.134.128.1 netmask > > 255.255.252.0" > > The above won't even parse correctly by ifconfig, 2 ip's???? and > again, is this network SUPERNETTED? Or is the netmask suppose to > actually be 255.255.255.252? Not only parses it just fine, it is also as documented. As to being supernetted, talk to the ISP's in question. Defining their network is their responsability. These are both CATV networks. Mind you, if you can provide an URL that explains 'being supernetted' it will be appreciated. For as per RFC 1519 This plan is primarily directed at the first two problems listed above. We believe that the judicious use of variable-length subnetting techniques should help defer the onset of the last problem problem, the exhaustion of the 32-bit address space. Note also that improved tools for performing address allocation in a "supernetted" and variably-subnetted world would greatly help the user community in accepting these sometimes confusing techniques. Efforts to create some simple tools for this purpose should be encouraged by the Internet community. I'm confused . If it's to be interpreted as the (virtual) sum of all the individual subnets, then yep, I'm supernetted. Twice . Can't see why you're so surprised. Surely it's a good thing compared to octet, class based, route exploding manner? RFC 1519 seems to think so. > And you'll probably get even less if your really have an off by <<8 > in your netmask and you fix it... Alas. But do see the archives. What happens is that the ARP daemon can not handle the case where one MAC is coupled to two distinct IP adressess, i.e. gateways. You're looking for complexity where simplicity is all there is. One GW is 212.187.0.39, the other 194.134.128.1. They're on different nets. They don't have the same MAC address. arplookup 194.134.128.1 failed: host is not on local network is bogus. For 194.134.128.1 *is* on the local network, local to the 194.134.130.170/duh network in fact. It just isn't local to the 212.187/21 network. > What does your routing table look like??? Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default 212.187.0.1 UGSc 66 4014481 ep1 10/24 link#1 UC 0 0 ep0 10.0.0.1 link#1 UHLW 1 1556 ep0 10.0.0.2 0:0:e8:ee:c8:fb UHLW 20 932933 ep0 1016 10.0.0.3 0:40:95:4:37:2a UHLW 2 1007505 ep0 1061 10.0.0.4 0:4f:49:0:8a:ba UHLW 1 596948 ep0 1156 10.0.0.55 0:60:97:14:31:a7 UHLW 0 474 lo0 10.0.0.255 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff UHLWb 3 16681 ep0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 3 278986 lo0 194.134.130.170 0:60:97:e4:98:db UHLW 0 67 lo0 => 194.134.130.170/32 link#2 UC 0 0 ep1 212.187/21 link#2 UC 0 0 ep1 212.187.0.1 0:90:6d:e4:30:0 UHLW 65 68 ep1 946 212.187.0.37 link#2 UHLW 1 2330 ep1 212.187.0.39 0:60:97:e4:98:db UHLW 0 915 lo0 212.187.7.255 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff UHLWb 0 62 ep1 Again, all this information and more - way more - is in the archives. We - other we - have been over this again and again. And now again again. To no avail. > I do this all the time to route between 2 subnets on the same > physical ethernet on 1 physical interface on 1 box. It works > just fine, I don't get bottles of arplookup's unless I blow one > of the netmask some place or a -interface route. Ok, I've shown you mine now you show me yours. Yeah, have done that too . However, these settings: inet 212.187.0.39 netmask 255.255.248.0 defaultrouter=212.187.0.1 inet 194.134.130.170 netmask 255.255.252.0 defaultrouter=194.134.128.1 are at least as advertised. The latter I've worked with for some three years. I've also tested it as the only IF and not an ARP message in sight. Same holds for the former as only IF. The poblem only occurs when one of the is aliassed. Doesn't matter which one. In your case, have both subnets different gateways for their respective supernets? E.g. the EuroNet network has some servers that only be gotten at when coming from a 194.134/16 range. Though their INN supports the password option. Silly thing is that what I'm doing here is akin to what I was doing in '93 with the KA9Q NOS. With it it did work. This is not to say I'm not doing anything wrong this time, just that it can work. Roelof -- Dog's house @ http://cairni.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 28 9:49:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from imc.macro.ru (imc.macro.ru [194.220.38.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B17615A0C for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:49:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lev@imc.macro.ru) Received: (from lev@localhost) by imc.macro.ru (8.8.5/8.7.3) id UAA03650 for All ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:50:27 +0300 (MSK) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:50:27 +0300 (MSK) From: Lev Serebryakov oD Message-Id: <200001281750.UAA03650@imc.macro.ru> To: All Subject: python port problem under 2.2.8-STABLE? Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, All! FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE, last port collection, lang/python: ar cr libpython1.5.a getbuildinfo.o ranlib libpython1.5.a true cd Modules; make OPT="-O -D_THREAD_SAFE" VERSION="1.5" prefix="/usr/local" exec_prefix="/usr/local" LIBRARY=../libpython1.5.a link cc -O -D_THREAD_SAFE -I./../Include -I.. -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -c python.c cc -pthread python.o ../libpython1.5.a -lmytinfo -lreadline -ltermcap -lm -lcrypt -lxpg4 -lm -o python main.o: Undefined symbol `_Py_FatalError' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_Py_DebugFlag' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_Py_InteractiveFlag' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_Py_OptimizeFlag' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_Py_NoSiteFlag' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_Py_TabcheckFlag' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_Py_VerboseFlag' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_Py_UseClassExceptionsFlag' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_Py_FdIsInteractive' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_Py_InteractiveFlag' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_Py_SetProgramName' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_Py_Initialize' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_Py_VerboseFlag' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_Py_GetCopyright' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_Py_GetPlatform' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_Py_GetVersion' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_PySys_SetArgv' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_PyImport_ImportModule' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_PyErr_Clear' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_PyRun_SimpleString' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_PyRun_SimpleFile' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_PyErr_Clear' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_PyRun_AnyFile' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_PyRun_AnyFile' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `_Py_Finalize' referenced from text segment *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. Lev Serebryakov, 2:5030/661.0 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 28 13:20: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kci.kciLink.com (kci.kciLink.com [204.117.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2113914CEB for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:19:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: from onceler.kcilink.com (onceler.kciLink.com [204.117.82.2]) by kci.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F9DE8A4 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 16:19:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from khera@localhost) by onceler.kcilink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08738; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 16:19:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from khera@kci.kcilink.com) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14482.2042.124227.413200@onceler.kcilink.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 16:19:54 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: anyone NFS exporting from BSD/OS to FreeBSD? X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 8) "Bryce Canyon" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've got a FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE box for my desktop, and I NFS mount the home directory from a BSD/OS 4.0.1 server. It seems to me that FreeBSD ignores the lack of write permissions to a file that I own: [onceler]% df . Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on kci.kciLink.com:/u/kci1 8613579 3992038 4190862 49% /amd/kci.kciLink.com/u/kci1 [onceler]% touch blarf [onceler]% ls -l blarf -rw-r--r-- 1 khera user 0 Jan 28 16:13 blarf [onceler]% echo foo >> blarf [onceler]% ls -l blarf -rw-r--r-- 1 khera user 4 Jan 28 16:13 blarf [onceler]% chmod -w blarf [onceler]% ls -l blarf -r--r--r-- 1 khera user 4 Jan 28 16:13 blarf [onceler]% echo foo >> blarf [onceler]% ls -l blarf -r--r--r-- 1 khera user 8 Jan 28 16:13 blarf [onceler]% cat blarf foo foo [onceler]% uname -a FreeBSD onceler.kcilink.com 3.4-STABLE FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE #14: Wed Jan 19 10:37:15 EST 2000 root@onceler.kcilink.com:/u/onceler1/usr/src/sys/compile/ONCELER i386 This same thing happens with BSD/OS 3.1 as the server. However the other way around it is ok -- the BSD/OS machine as client and FreeBSD as server is fine. BSD/OS as both client and server works fine as well. Can anyone else confirm this? Is it an issue with the server or the client? I filed a bug report on it a while back, but heard nothing since then. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 28 13:26:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cielo.eece.unm.edu (cielo.eece.unm.edu [129.24.24.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0759415BB9 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:26:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from warren@eece.unm.edu) Received: from aire.eece.unm.edu ([129.24.24.69]) by cielo.eece.unm.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #4) id 12EIuD-0005cF-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:26:13 -0700 Received: from aire.eece.unm.edu (warren@localhost) by aire.eece.unm.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA01102 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:26:06 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200001282126.OAA01102@aire.eece.unm.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: ls gives values too large error (NFS problem?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:26:00 -0700 From: Aron Warren Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, I am running a FreeBSD 3.4-stable (cvsup as of 1/25/2000) NFS server and have Solaris 2.7 clients. Lately I have been seeing messages like this from the solaris side: %ls -lai ls: sent-mail: Value too large for defined data type ls: postponed-msgs: Value too large for defined data type total 5 500174 drwxr-xr-x 2 user 512 Jan 27 11:34 ./ 341259 drwxr-xr-x 33 user 4096 Jan 27 11:35 ../ But from the FreeBSD side it shows up with no problem: % ls -l --rw------- 1 user bin 0 Jan 27 11:31 postponed-msgs --rw------- 1 user bin 401 Jan 27 11:34 sent-mail Does anyone have any idea what part of NFS could be causing this? I am wondering if it might be related to mail file locking. thanks in advance --aron ------------------------------------------------------- Aron Warren, Systems Analyst III Electrical and Computer Engineering warren@eece.unm.edu 505-277-0803 phone 505-277-1439 fax ------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 28 14:16:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br (bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br [143.106.51.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A27515CE3 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:16:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from atabraga@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br) Received: by bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C61F819A6; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:16:48 -0200 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14482.5456.643948.898328@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:16:48 -0200 (EDT) From: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: JFS X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.1 Reply-To: atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br X-URL: http://www.iqm.unicamp.br Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there something like JFS (AIX) in FreeBSD ? -- Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br http://www.iqm.unicamp.br To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 28 21: 1:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from infobahn.icubed.com (infobahn.icubed.com [208.0.145.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56BFF15E32 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:01:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from micah@icubed.com) Received: from icubed.com (pgh3246.icubed.com [208.157.23.246]) by infobahn.icubed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07000 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 00:09:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3891CB74.61C505C7@icubed.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:01:40 -0500 From: "G. 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If you are only interested in important announcements then it is suggested that you join freebsd-announce, which is intended only for infrequent traffic. -- Walter in·tel·lec·tu·al n. Someone who has been educated past his/her level of intelligence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 0:53:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEFBD14D79 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 00:53:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA76704; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 00:51:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 00:51:48 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: William Woods Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FW: DSL natd rules.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, William Woods wrote: > > > Now, the fakenet between your box and the cisco ... your provider is > > running ppp/router mode? > > OK, well the provider is USWEST and they are ip PPP mode, that is correct The things telcos do to save rack space. :-/ Hopefully you won't get bit by the double-NAT, as the 675 is already doing NAT & DHCP for the LAN. You may want to review your 675 manual on just what the router NAT supports. Note you can log into these guys through the console port and do IOS-style twiddling. Alternatively, find an ISP in your area that will run bridged to your modem. I think uspest.net is the only one that supports PPP mode to the DSL modem, the rest should be bridged. These providers will generally hand you real IPs and you can run your own NAT over that. But the last time I was working with USPest DSL was in May 1999, and even though this is a telco, things change. :) Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 1: 3:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [216.190.188.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213FB14A18 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 01:03:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@cybcon.com) Received: from laptop.cybcon.com (william@usr1-24.cybcon.com [205.147.75.25]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14918; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 01:03:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 00:58:32 -0800 (PST) From: William Woods To: Doug White Subject: Re: FW: DSL natd rules.... Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hmmm.... Well I was planning on running NAT from the cisco to the FreeBSD router/gateway/firewall and then NATD on the router gateway to deliver to the rest of the LAN. This is a bad thing I take it? What would you reccomend doing to get around this? On 29-Jan-00 Doug White wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, William Woods wrote: > >> >> > Now, the fakenet between your box and the cisco ... your provider is >> > running ppp/router mode? >> >> OK, well the provider is USWEST and they are ip PPP mode, that is correct > > The things telcos do to save rack space. :-/ > > Hopefully you won't get bit by the double-NAT, as the 675 is already doing > NAT & DHCP for the LAN. You may want to review your 675 manual on just > what the router NAT supports. Note you can log into these guys through > the console port and do IOS-style twiddling. > > Alternatively, find an ISP in your area that will run bridged to your > modem. I think uspest.net is the only one that supports PPP mode to the > DSL modem, the rest should be bridged. These providers will generally > hand you real IPs and you can run your own NAT over that. > > But the last time I was working with USPest DSL was in May 1999, and even > though this is a telco, things change. :) > > Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve > dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org ---------------------------------- E-Mail: William Woods Date: 29-Jan-00 Time: 00:56:35 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 3:11:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pcat.heimat.gr.jp (pcat.heimat.gr.jp [211.0.53.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE21415698 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 03:11:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nakaji@tutrp.tut.ac.jp) Received: from xa12.heimat.gr.jp (xa12.heimat.gr.jp [211.0.53.97]) by pcat.heimat.gr.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id UAA46846 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 20:11:08 +0900 (JST) To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Buildworld fails in usr.sbin/sendmail MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by EMIKO 1.13.10 - "Euglena proxima") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: NAKAJI Hiroyuki Date: 29 Jan 2000 20:11:07 +0900 Message-ID: <867lgtf7zo.fsf@xa12.heimat.gr.jp> Lines: 23 User-Agent: T-gnus/6.14.1 (based on Gnus v5.8.3) (revision 05) EMIKO/1.13.10 (Euglena proxima) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) APEL/10.1 Emacs/20.5 (i386--freebsd) MULE/4.0 (HANANOEN) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just cvsup-ed at 18:00 29/Jan/2000 JST and ran `make buildworld'. The error message is like this: cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail/../../contrib/sendmail/src -DNEWDB -DNIS -DTCPWRAPPERS -DMAP_REGEX -D_FFR_MAX_MIME_HEADER_LENGTH -D_FFR_MAX_HEADERS_LENGTH -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail/../../contrib/sendmail/src/domain.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail/../../contrib/sendmail/src/domain.c: In function `dns_getcanonname': /usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail/../../contrib/sendmail/src/domain.c:836: warning: comparison between pointer and integer /usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail/../../contrib/sendmail/src/domain.c:849: invalid use of non-lvalue array /usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail/../../contrib/sendmail/src/domain.c:849: invalid use of non-lvalue array /usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail/../../contrib/sendmail/src/domain.c:850: invalid use of non-lvalue array *** Error code 1 Stop. -- NAKAJI Hiroyuki To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 12:44:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3E814F7C for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 12:44:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA90909; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 12:43:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 12:43:30 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: William Woods Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FW: DSL natd rules.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 29 Jan 2000, William Woods wrote: > Hmmm.... > > Well I was planning on running NAT from the cisco to the FreeBSD > router/gateway/firewall and then NATD on the router gateway to deliver to the > rest of the LAN. This is a bad thing I take it? 1) The extra overhead of double-processing packets 2) Setting up static NAT or redirected ports becomes a nightmare 3) You're limited by what the DSL modem can NAT; at least on FreeBSD you have the source to hack :) > What would you reccomend doing to get around this? Finding an ISP in your area that does bridged, or dropping NAT from the BSD box and letting the router take care of that. I have a bridged DSL connection so I don't have this problem :) Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 14:19:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id A7D83150FF; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 14:19:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BD91CD74B; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 14:19:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 14:19:41 -0800 (PST) From: Kris Kennaway To: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: JFS In-Reply-To: <14482.5456.643948.898328@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga wrote: > Is there something like JFS (AIX) in FreeBSD ? Please consult the mailing-list archives. Kris ---- "How many roads must a man walk down, before you call him a man?" "Eight!" "That was a rhetorical question!" "Oh..then, seven!" -- Homer Simpson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 15:19:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05607155BC for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 15:18:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kwc@world.std.com) Received: from world.std.com (root@world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21634 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 18:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kwc@localhost) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17196; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 18:16:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 18:16:54 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth W Cochran Message-Id: <200001292316.SAA17196@world.std.com> To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Tracking updates to FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, This might be a better question for -questions, but I'm asking in -stable because I try to track -stable (RELENG_3). Other than subscribing to cvs-all, is there a way I can "track" the "update history?" (On the Website, for example.) I can't exactly find an answer either in the Handbook or in Greg's book. How can I find and/or see the "update-log?" Naturally, doc & FAQ pointers are quite welcome. Many thanks, -kc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 16:25:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F00114D52; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:25:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA09391; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:25:08 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda09385; Sat Jan 29 16:24:56 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA10623; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:24:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdD10621; Sat Jan 29 16:24:31 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA03100; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:24:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200001300024.QAA03100@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdwU3094; Sat Jan 29 16:24:18 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JFS In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 29 Jan 2000 14:19:41 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:24:18 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , Kris Ken naway writes: > On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga wrote: > > > Is there something like JFS (AIX) in FreeBSD ? > > Please consult the mailing-list archives. 4.4BSD has something like JFS, LFS (Log Structured Filesystem). LFS developed from a paper by John Ousterhout, the same fellow who developed Tcl & Tk. All other log structured filesystems, JFS, AdvFS, Veritas Filesystem, are based on Ousterhout's work. Due to the lack of interest, FreeBSD's LFS has fallen into disrepair over the years. With the implementation of softupdates in FreeBSD I don't think there is any need for LFS any more. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Sun/DEC Team, UNIX Group Internet: Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca ITSD Province of BC "COBOL IS A WASTE OF CARDS." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 16:54:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFC2152FC for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:54:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16338; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:54:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA29149; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:54:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:54:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200001300054.QAA29149@vashon.polstra.com> To: kwc@world.std.com Subject: Re: Tracking updates to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <200001292316.SAA17196@world.std.com> References: <200001292316.SAA17196@world.std.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <200001292316.SAA17196@world.std.com>, Kenneth W Cochran wrote: > > Other than subscribing to cvs-all, is there a way I can "track" > the "update history?" (On the Website, for example.) Well, cvs-all _is_ the update history. What is it about cvs-all that doesn't satisfy your needs? John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 16:59:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail6.uunet.ca (mail6.uunet.ca [142.77.1.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A4414D7C for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:59:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET) Received: from w01.arpa-canada.net ([216.95.146.6]) by mail6.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <231458-26574>; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:59:09 -0500 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:59:07 -0500 From: Matt Heckaman X-Sender: matt@w01.arpa-canada.net To: John Polstra Cc: kwc@world.std.com, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tracking updates to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <200001300054.QAA29149@vashon.polstra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 29 Jan 2000, John Polstra wrote: [...] : Well, cvs-all _is_ the update history. What is it about cvs-all : that doesn't satisfy your needs? Personally, as far as my needs are concerned. I would like to be able, for example, to track only cvs changes on a specific port, or file, and so on. I like to keep up on cvs changes that could affect me, but the volume of traffic on cvs-all is far more than I can take. It's also less ideal to setup mail filters to show only stuff you want to see since that still eats bandwith if you are the mail server, or if your mail client downloads before filtering as many do. -Matt : John [...] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 17: 2:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8B51530F for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:02:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16397; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:02:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA31480; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:02:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:02:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200001300102.RAA31480@vashon.polstra.com> To: matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET Subject: Re: Tracking updates to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article , Matt Heckaman wrote: > > Personally, as far as my needs are concerned. I would like to be able, for > example, to track only cvs changes on a specific port, or file, and so on. The closest thing we have to what you want is here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 17:54:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.uniserve.com (members.uniserve.ca [204.244.156.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272BC1509E; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:54:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca ([204.244.186.218]) by mail2.uniserve.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12EjZ1-00048T-00; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:54:07 -0800 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:54:03 -0800 (PST) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: Kris Kennaway , Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JFS In-Reply-To: <200001300024.QAA03100@cwsys.cwsent.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 29 Jan 2000, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > In message , > Kris Ken > naway writes: > > On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga wrote: > > > > > Is there something like JFS (AIX) in FreeBSD ? > > > > Please consult the mailing-list archives. > > 4.4BSD has something like JFS, LFS (Log Structured Filesystem). LFS > developed from a paper by John Ousterhout, the same fellow who > developed Tcl & Tk. All other log structured filesystems, JFS, AdvFS, > Veritas Filesystem, are based on Ousterhout's work. > > Due to the lack of interest, FreeBSD's LFS has fallen into disrepair > over the years. With the implementation of softupdates in FreeBSD I > don't think there is any need for LFS any more. LFS is _VERY_ different from JFS, AdvFS, Vertias, et al. In LFS, the entire filesystem is a log. A typical journalled filesystem, just has a small journal area for metainformation updates. There is a huge difference. Journalling is going to be requirement. The reason why everyone wants a journalled filesystem, is for fast fsckes. Softupdates does not do that yet, but it is apparently in development. Softupdates a lot of the intelligent metadata update re-ordering stuff that is used by a lot of journalled filesystems. I think the idea is to add a journal to softupdates. Sun has done something like this with their UFS, which can operate in journalled and non-journalled mode. > Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 > Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 > Sun/DEC Team, UNIX Group Internet: Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca > ITSD > Province of BC > "COBOL IS A WASTE OF CARDS." > Tom Uniserve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 17:58:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 0E56214EE5; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:58:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F087E1CD80F; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:58:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:58:14 -0800 (PST) From: Kris Kennaway To: Tom Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JFS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Please remove me from the distribution list of this thread - I have no desire to sit through it all AGAIN, which is why I told the person to read the mail archives in the first place. If you really must go through it all again, the place to do it is in -chat. Kris ---- "How many roads must a man walk down, before you call him a man?" "Eight!" "That was a rhetorical question!" "Oh..then, seven!" -- Homer Simpson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 18:20:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EC314CC4 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 18:20:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kwc@world.std.com) Received: from world.std.com (root@world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12148; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:20:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kwc@localhost) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24481; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:20:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:20:00 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth W Cochran Message-Id: <200001300220.VAA24481@world.std.com> To: John Polstra Subject: Re: Tracking updates to FreeBSD Cc: stable@freebsd.org References: <200001292316.SAA17196@world.std.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:59:07 -0500 >From: Matt Heckaman >Subject: Re: Tracking updates to FreeBSD > >On Sat, 29 Jan 2000, John Polstra wrote: >[...] >: Well, cvs-all _is_ the update history. What is it about cvs-all >: that doesn't satisfy your needs? > >Personally, as far as my needs are concerned. I would like to be >able, for example, to track only cvs changes on a specific port, >or file, and so on. > >I like to keep up on cvs changes that could affect me, but the >volume of traffic on cvs-all is far more than I can take. It's Same here; the volume on cvs-all strikes me as a little much (almost overwhelming) unless I were, for example, a committer. I'm very glad cvs-all exists; it just seems more than *I* need most of the time. >also less ideal to setup mail filters to show only stuff you >want to see since that still eats bandwith if you are the mail >server, or if your mail client downloads before filtering as >many do. > >-Matt What he said... :) I was wondering if there is some way I can access some kind of "change-log," perhaps via Web or ftp. This might help me decide when I might want to perform maintenance (cvsup/make {build,install}world). -kc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 18:43:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284D114DED for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 18:43:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from noslenj@swbell.net) Received: from swbell.net ([207.193.40.178]) by mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FP400B1MNAHIG@mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 20:37:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (noslenj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00464; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 20:36:21 -0600 (CST envelope-from noslenj@swbell.net) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 20:36:21 -0600 (CST) From: Jay Nelson Subject: Re: JFS In-reply-to: To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 29 Jan 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote: >On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga wrote: > >> Is there something like JFS (AIX) in FreeBSD ? > >Please consult the mailing-list archives. Why? It seems like a reasonable question from someone who is familiar with AIX, using STABLE and new to the list. Maybe a helpful pointer would redirect the other people wondering the same thing. Sometimes, it's a little difficult for someone new to the list to know what was discussed months ago. They may not realize that there is a wealth of arcana buried in the archives. As FreeBSD grows in popularity, newcomers will ask the old questions before they understand the mail archives and handbook. Or they will get frustrated with answers like yours and ask the question directly. The price of attracting new users, I guess. -- Jay To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 19: 4:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A018E14C7F; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:04:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17205; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:29:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:29:17 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Jay Nelson Cc: Kris Kennaway , Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: People who should know better (was Re: JFS) Message-ID: <20000129192917.I13027@fw.wintelcom.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from noslenj@swbell.net on Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 08:36:21PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Jay Nelson [000129 19:10] wrote: > On Sat, 29 Jan 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > >On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga wrote: > > > >> Is there something like JFS (AIX) in FreeBSD ? > > > >Please consult the mailing-list archives. > > Why? It seems like a reasonable question from someone who is familiar > with AIX, using STABLE and new to the list. Maybe a helpful pointer > would redirect the other people wondering the same thing. > > Sometimes, it's a little difficult for someone new to the list to know > what was discussed months ago. They may not realize that there is a > wealth of arcana buried in the archives. > > As FreeBSD grows in popularity, newcomers will ask the old questions > before they understand the mail archives and handbook. Or they will > get frustrated with answers like yours and ask the question directly. > > The price of attracting new users, I guess. Anyone know knows what JFS is or other interesting nooks and crannies of unix ought to be experianced enough to lookup an answer to thier question beforehand. If you did a search you'd see this question comes up every other day or so and sometimes even more often. If you're asking, you ought to know. It'd be nice if all unsubscribed/just-subscribed people got an email back saying: "hey have you searched here? if you can't find an answer for your question that wasn't answered _3 days ago_ please resend to i_really_got_a_question@freebsd.org, or subscribe" :) -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 19:11: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id EDA3114DA4; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEBB31CD6F0; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:11:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:11:02 -0800 (PST) From: Kris Kennaway To: Jay Nelson Cc: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: JFS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 29 Jan 2000, Jay Nelson wrote: > >Please consult the mailing-list archives. > > Why? It seems like a reasonable question from someone who is familiar > with AIX, using STABLE and new to the list. Maybe a helpful pointer > would redirect the other people wondering the same thing. It's a perfectly reasonable question, but one which has been answered numerous times and just wastes everyone's time rehashing it unless there is some exciting new development not yet in the archives. We have mailing-list archives for a reason, and people are expected to consult them if there's any nonzero chance the question might have come up before (i.e. almost always). New users who actually read the information about the mailing lists before they subscribe to one will see the following: Archives are kept for all of the mailing lists and can be searched using the FreeBSD World Wide Web server. The keyword searchable archive offers an excellent way of finding answers to frequently asked questions and should be consulted before posting a question. Perhaps we need to make this more prominent. Kris ---- "How many roads must a man walk down, before you call him a man?" "Eight!" "That was a rhetorical question!" "Oh..then, seven!" -- Homer Simpson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 20:33:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32961542A for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 20:31:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id FAA16376 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 05:31:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA18171 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 05:16:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: Tracking updates to FreeBSD Date: 30 Jan 2000 05:16:44 +0100 Message-ID: <870dvc$hng$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> References: <200001300054.QAA29149@vashon.polstra.com> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matt Heckaman wrote: > Personally, as far as my needs are concerned. I would like to be able, for > example, to track only cvs changes on a specific port, or file, and so on. Put an autoselect in your kill file. Besides browsing through cvs-all anyway, I've made sure I'll not miss changes to the ARC loader and openssh port. For FreeBSD this works well. (Not so for NetBSD and OpenBSD which don't put the affected files in the subject lines of their source-changes mailing lists. I guess one could do some munging.) > I like to keep up on cvs changes that could affect me, but the volume of > traffic on cvs-all is far more than I can take. It's also less ideal to > setup mail filters to show only stuff you want to see since that still > eats bandwith if you are the mail server, or if your mail client downloads > before filtering as many do. Considering that most people who complain about mail bandwidth readily pull down megabytes of pointless graphic junk from the WWW on a daily basis, I'm pretty tired about that line of argument. Setting up a single central server to hold user state and send out only selected subsets is lots of work to implement, doesn't scale very well, raises privacy issues, etc. Although I'm sure the FreeBSD project will react favorably, if you implement such a system. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 21:50:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB34B14F9A for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:50:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from noslenj@swbell.net) Received: from swbell.net ([207.193.25.54]) by mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FP400C8UW7Q75@mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 23:50:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (noslenj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00766; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 23:49:00 -0600 (CST envelope-from noslenj@swbell.net) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 23:49:00 -0600 (CST) From: Jay Nelson Subject: Re: JFS In-reply-to: To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 29 Jan 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote: >On Sat, 29 Jan 2000, Jay Nelson wrote: > >> >Please consult the mailing-list archives. >> >> Why? It seems like a reasonable question from someone who is familiar >> with AIX, using STABLE and new to the list. Maybe a helpful pointer >> would redirect the other people wondering the same thing. > >It's a perfectly reasonable question, but one which has been answered >numerous times and just wastes everyone's time rehashing it unless there [snip] I think you missed the point. As more users are encouraged to try FreeBSD, and more read the direction to search the archives, the more these folks will see the recursive injunction to read the archives with little or no hint of how best to search and filter out all the injunctions to "search the archives." I'm suggesting that a useful pointer would not only help the questioner, but help those who do search the archives. A search of the archives for "JFS" (a logical place to start) selecting questions and fs turned up 30 messages. Most were asking the question, most of the remainder distinguishing between JFS and LFS. Terry Lambert's responses were the most informative, and I'm sure he's getting tired of answering, but none of them answered the question for someone who is wondering "what is going on today." I don't disagree with you. All I'm suggesting is that if you are familiar with a thread that has been rehashed so much, you're familiar with a subject to which you can point the questioner. Someone new to FreeBSD isn't likely to have the same familiarity and could probably use the help. -- Jay To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 22:21: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (port-4-147.adsl.one.net [216.2.1.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF66B14D40 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:20:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA87029; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 01:23:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 01:23:54 -0500 From: Coleman Kane To: Doug White Cc: William Woods , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FW: DSL natd rules.... Message-ID: <20000130012354.A86581@evil.2y.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt" X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu on Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 03:49:01PM -0500 X-Vim: vim:tw=70:ts=4:sw=4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Doug White had the audacity to say: > On Sat, 29 Jan 2000, William Woods wrote: >=20 > > Hmmm.... > >=20 > > Well I was planning on running NAT from the cisco to the FreeBSD > > router/gateway/firewall and then NATD on the router gateway to deliver = to the > > rest of the LAN. This is a bad thing I take it? >=20 > 1) The extra overhead of double-processing packets > 2) Setting up static NAT or redirected ports becomes a nightmare > 3) You're limited by what the DSL modem can NAT; at least on FreeBSD you > have the source to hack :) > 1) depending on the speed of your DSL connection (I am guessing it's 1Mb at most), the overhead will be negligable, as long as the NAT box is properly outfitted for its purpose. I am guessing that you already planned for it. 2) This isn't necessarily a 'nightmare' as long as you are using the right = tools there isn't really that much trouble. Most protocols don't even need static mappings now. If you are planning on running a server, why not use a box outside of the firewall, and map with the cisco. Opening holes in your firewall is a security risk almost as bad as not having one at all.=20 3) If you are using a cisco 675, you can get the manuals off cisco's websit= e. Since you are actually using one IP from the router, the cisco 675 can be used in bridging mode rather than routing mode. Basically you can route all traffic to the router directly to the firewall. You should be careful to u= se the serial management cable in case you can't acess the cisco after this. = The cisco 675's are rather versatile routers that have a lot of functionality internally. Go to cisco's site and read the CBOS manual to learn how to configure it. > > What would you reccomend doing to get around this? >=20 > Finding an ISP in your area that does bridged, or dropping NAT from the > BSD box and letting the router take care of that. >=20 In my experiences and knowledge, the phone company's network does a lot of = the NAT and everything. Somewhere along the line your final output IP is bridged with the ISP's IP to give to you. The NAT and routing is typically internal= in the phone company.=20 > I have a bridged DSL connection so I don't have this problem :) >=20 > Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve > dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org > --cokane --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE4k9j5ERViMObJ880RAcnWAJ0XFqRg5ANHAuouCfuNsN0Df9HOZACePM/a iWS5Gn2L3O+zIYrzPVNjAYA= =lT0P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 22:24: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F72E15AD8; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:23:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p25-dnz01kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [210.132.6.154]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) with ESMTP id PAA07316; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 15:23:47 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3893D404.189AA11A@newsguy.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 15:02:44 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: Kris Kennaway , Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JFS References: <200001300024.QAA03100@cwsys.cwsent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > > 4.4BSD has something like JFS, LFS (Log Structured Filesystem). LFS > developed from a paper by John Ousterhout, the same fellow who > developed Tcl & Tk. All other log structured filesystems, JFS, AdvFS, > Veritas Filesystem, are based on Ousterhout's work. A journalled structured filesystem is NOT a log structured filesystem. > Due to the lack of interest, FreeBSD's LFS has fallen into disrepair > over the years. With the implementation of softupdates in FreeBSD I > don't think there is any need for LFS any more. Repeat that over and over the next time you wait fsck finish a 40 Gb filesystem checkup, and see if you manage to convince yourself of that. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "If you consider our help impolite, you should see the manager." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 22:25:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from public.bta.net.cn (public.bta.net.cn [202.96.0.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3DF3159CA for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:24:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robinson@netrinsics.com) Received: from netrinsics.com (gj-04-063.bta.net.cn [202.106.4.63]) by public.bta.net.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14884 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 14:24:42 +0800 (CST) Received: (from robinson@localhost) by netrinsics.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05208 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 14:25:21 +0800 (+0800) (envelope-from robinson) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 14:25:21 +0800 (+0800) From: Michael Robinson Message-Id: <200001300625.OAA05208@netrinsics.com> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: JFS Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tom writes: > Journalling is going to be requirement. The reason why everyone wants a >journalled filesystem, is for fast fsckes. Actually, the ability to create a "snapshot" of the filesystem for doing online backups is for me the compelling feature of, e.g., Veritas. >I think the idea is to add a journal to softupdates. Will that allow the creation of filesystem snapshots? -Michael Robinson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 22:37:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [216.190.188.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFB6151F5 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:37:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@cybcon.com) Received: from laptop.cybcon.com (william@usr1-20.cybcon.com [205.147.75.21]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29678; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:37:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000130012354.A86581@evil.2y.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:32:46 -0800 (PST) From: William Woods To: Coleman Kane Subject: Re: FW: DSL natd rules.... Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug White Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, USWEST says the 675 needs to be in PPP mode and not bridged. I have the 675's manuals and have been reading them. LIke I said, I have NAT from the 675 to the router/gateway (Not running a server) and on the gateway/router I am useing ipfw and natd to the internal LAN. Is this not a viable solution? On 30-Jan-00 Coleman Kane wrote: > Doug White had the audacity to say: >> On Sat, 29 Jan 2000, William Woods wrote: >> >> > Hmmm.... >> > >> > Well I was planning on running NAT from the cisco to the FreeBSD >> > router/gateway/firewall and then NATD on the router gateway to deliver to >> > the >> > rest of the LAN. This is a bad thing I take it? >> >> 1) The extra overhead of double-processing packets >> 2) Setting up static NAT or redirected ports becomes a nightmare >> 3) You're limited by what the DSL modem can NAT; at least on FreeBSD you >> have the source to hack :) >> > > 1) depending on the speed of your DSL connection (I am guessing it's 1Mb at > most), the overhead will be negligable, as long as the NAT box is properly > outfitted for its purpose. I am guessing that you already planned for it. > 2) This isn't necessarily a 'nightmare' as long as you are using the right > tools > there isn't really that much trouble. Most protocols don't even need static > mappings now. If you are planning on running a server, why not use a box > outside of the firewall, and map with the cisco. Opening holes in your > firewall is a security risk almost as bad as not having one at all. > 3) If you are using a cisco 675, you can get the manuals off cisco's website. > Since you are actually using one IP from the router, the cisco 675 can be > used in bridging mode rather than routing mode. Basically you can route all > traffic to the router directly to the firewall. You should be careful to use > the serial management cable in case you can't acess the cisco after this. > The > cisco 675's are rather versatile routers that have a lot of functionality > internally. Go to cisco's site and read the CBOS manual to learn how to > configure it. > >> > What would you reccomend doing to get around this? >> >> Finding an ISP in your area that does bridged, or dropping NAT from the >> BSD box and letting the router take care of that. >> > > In my experiences and knowledge, the phone company's network does a lot of > the > NAT and everything. Somewhere along the line your final output IP is bridged > with the ISP's IP to give to you. The NAT and routing is typically internal > in > the phone company. > >> I have a bridged DSL connection so I don't have this problem :) >> >> Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve >> dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org >> > > --cokane ---------------------------------- E-Mail: William Woods Date: 29-Jan-00 Time: 22:30:44 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 29 23:11:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id CB91014A18; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 23:10:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC41E1CD400; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 23:10:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 23:10:35 -0800 (PST) From: Kris Kennaway To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JFS In-Reply-To: <3893D404.189AA11A@newsguy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 30 Jan 2000, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > A journalled structured filesystem is NOT a log structured filesystem. Aargh, I said leave me out of it!!! :) Kris ---- "How many roads must a man walk down, before you call him a man?" "Eight!" "That was a rhetorical question!" "Oh..then, seven!" -- Homer Simpson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message