From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 1:32:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from proxy.outblaze.com (proxy.outblaze.com [202.77.223.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9218137B54F for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 01:32:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yusufg@outblaze.com) Received: (qmail 42585 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2000 08:33:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO yusufg.portal2.com) (202.77.181.217) by proxy.outblaze.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2000 08:33:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 4120 invoked by uid 500); 9 Jul 2000 08:31:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 16:31:52 +0800 From: Yusuf Goolamabbas To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Error in building 4.0-stable kernel Message-ID: <20000709163152.A4037@outblaze.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG P3/500 with 256MB RAM. 9GB SCSI My current kernel/world build is from June 15. I did a cvsup today (figuring O'Brien should have finished his binutil's stuff) I did the following /usr/sbin/config cd ../../compile/FILE make depend;make I get the following error cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 ../../i386/i386/bioscall.s /tmp/ccK15575.s: Assembler messages: /tmp/ccK15575.s:773: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 instruction /tmp/ccK15575.s:838: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 instruction *** Error code 1 Do I need to do a buildworld/installworld first before installing the new kernel. I always build a kernel first and then build world/install world -- Yusuf Goolamabbas yusufg@outblaze.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 1:36:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from continuity.e-boxen.com (continuity.e-boxen.com [207.153.61.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE21B37B70D for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 01:36:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kkemp@nwcr.net) Received: (qmail 16064 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2000 08:36:23 -0000 Received: from ip-64-38-158-191.dialup.seanet.com (HELO kemp) (vnwcr@64.38.158.191) by continuity.e-boxen.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2000 08:36:23 -0000 From: "Keith Kemp" To: "Yusuf Goolamabbas" , Subject: RE: Error in building 4.0-stable kernel Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 01:36:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <20000709163152.A4037@outblaze.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yusuf, I got this same error the other day. I did a cvsup later and the kernel compiled fine. I would recommend the same. Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Yusuf Goolamabbas > Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 1:32 AM > To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > Subject: Error in building 4.0-stable kernel > > > P3/500 with 256MB RAM. 9GB SCSI > > My current kernel/world build is from June 15. I did a cvsup today > (figuring O'Brien should have finished his binutil's stuff) > I did the following > /usr/sbin/config > cd ../../compile/FILE > make depend;make > > I get the following error > > cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls > -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes > -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi > -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -D_KERNEL -include > opt_global.h -elf -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 > ../../i386/i386/bioscall.s > /tmp/ccK15575.s: Assembler messages: > /tmp/ccK15575.s:773: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 > instruction > /tmp/ccK15575.s:838: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 > instruction > *** Error code 1 > > > Do I need to do a buildworld/installworld first before installing the > new kernel. I always build a kernel first and then build world/install > world > > > -- > Yusuf Goolamabbas > yusufg@outblaze.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 1:56:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from public.bta.net.cn (public.bta.net.cn [202.96.0.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71FA737B696 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 01:56:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robinson@netrinsics.com) Received: from netrinsics.com ([202.108.133.11]) by public.bta.net.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21239 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 16:53:05 +0800 (GMT) Received: (from robinson@localhost) by netrinsics.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA84590 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 16:57:40 +0800 (+0800) (envelope-from robinson) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 16:57:40 +0800 (+0800) From: Michael Robinson Message-Id: <200007090857.QAA84590@netrinsics.com> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Synching my src... Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "David O'Brien" writes: >You did remember correctly, but you seem to have missed the "all's OK" >message that went out 2 days ago. This is a pet peeve of mine. Freebsd-stable is supposed to be the mailing list that is required reading for anyone tracking stable, where all useful information related to tracking stable is to be found. However, the list is increasingly such a high-volume, low signal-to-noise-ratio chatfest that it no longer serves its intended purpose for even moderately busy people. A prohibitive amount of time is required to sort out what is relevant from what isn't. Would it be possible to create a freebsd-stable-announce list whose sole and exclusive content is informative, authoritative messages related to the proper downloading, installation, configuration and running of freebsd-stable? -Michael Robinson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 2: 1:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hecky.it.northwestern.edu (hecky.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D9A37B88F for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 02:01:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djkanter@northwestern.edu) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by hecky.it.northwestern.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA00158; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 04:01:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (coconut-40-028060.nuts.nwu.edu [165.124.28.60]) by hecky.acns.nwu.edu via smap (V2.0) id xmaa29891; Sun, 9 Jul 00 04:01:12 -0500 Received: (from david@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA36930; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 00:25:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from david) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 00:25:40 -0500 From: "David J. Kanter" To: Richard Stanaford Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Synching my src... Message-ID: <20000709002539.A22119@localhost.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: Richard Stanaford , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000709034629.17975.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000709034629.17975.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com>; from rsstan@yahoo.com on Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 08:46:29PM -0700 X-Organization: Northwestern University X-Operating-System: FreeBSD localhost.localdomain 3.5-STABLE FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 08:46:29PM -0700, Richard Stanaford wrote: > I will probably need to pull most of the src tree in order to go STABLE from > 4.0-RELEASE and that is a seven hour download across a 56K dialup connection... > a significant investment of time. So you can understand my caution. ---end quoted text--- I just cvsup'ed sources from 3.5-Stable to 4.0-Stable, and it didn't take that long. Maybe a couple of hours, or so. It was certainly longer than a normal 3.X to 3.X+1 upgrade, but aren't you more than halfway there by having 4.0-Release? -- David Kanter djkanter@northwestern.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 2: 1:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from continuity.e-boxen.com (continuity.e-boxen.com [207.153.61.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A3CDD37BA94 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 02:01:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kkemp@nwcr.net) Received: (qmail 16389 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2000 09:01:37 -0000 Received: from ip-64-38-158-191.dialup.seanet.com (HELO kemp) (vnwcr@64.38.158.191) by continuity.e-boxen.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2000 09:01:37 -0000 From: "Keith Kemp" To: Subject: RE: Synching my src... Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 02:02:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <200007090857.QAA84590@netrinsics.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think that would be a great idea. Keep this mailing list for discussion about stable and problems, etc and use the -annouce mailing as way for the FreeBSD group to send important updates, etc. Who needs to be contacted for this to happen? Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Michael Robinson > Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 1:58 AM > To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Synching my src... > > > "David O'Brien" writes: > >You did remember correctly, but you seem to have missed the "all's OK" > >message that went out 2 days ago. > > This is a pet peeve of mine. Freebsd-stable is supposed to be the mailing > list that is required reading for anyone tracking stable, where all useful > information related to tracking stable is to be found. > > However, the list is increasingly such a high-volume, low > signal-to-noise-ratio > chatfest that it no longer serves its intended purpose for even moderately > busy people. A prohibitive amount of time is required to sort out what is > relevant from what isn't. > > Would it be possible to create a freebsd-stable-announce list > whose sole and > exclusive content is informative, authoritative messages related to the > proper downloading, installation, configuration and running of > freebsd-stable? > > -Michael Robinson > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 3:50:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smople.thehub.com.au (smople.thehub.com.au [203.143.240.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4667C37B5E6; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 03:50:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mckay@thehub.com.au) Received: from dungeon.home (ppp55.dyn250.pacific.net.au [203.143.250.55]) by smople.thehub.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA74230; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:50:27 +1000 (EST) Received: from dungeon.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dungeon.home (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09724; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:52:17 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from mckay) Message-Id: <200007091052.UAA09724@dungeon.home> To: Stefan Esser Cc: Stephen McKay , Alan Edmonds , Bill Paul , Chris Wasser , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strangeness with 4.0-S References: <200007030749.RAA13446@dungeon.home> <20000704140131.A1734@StefanEsser.FreeBSD.org> <200007041411.AAA18590@dungeon.home> <20000708221341.B2104@StefanEsser.FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20000708221341.B2104@StefanEsser.FreeBSD.org> from Stefan Esser at "Sat, 08 Jul 2000 22:13:41 +0200" Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 20:52:16 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Saturday, 8th July 2000, Stefan Esser wrote: >Oh, there are renegotiations after each overrun ??? >They should not be required at all. The Ethernet chip probably supports >writing a new prefetch limit into the register while fully active ... >I have looked at a number of Ethernet controller data sheets. There never >was a warning that the chip must be quiescent when the "early send" limit >is modified. The code at the point that an underrun is detected is: printf("dc%d: TX underrun -- ", sc->dc_unit); if (DC_IS_DAVICOM(sc) || DC_IS_INTEL(sc)) dc_init(sc); After that, it sets the new threshold, or store and forward mode. That conditional (which resets the DE-500 style cards I own), looks deliberate since it is so specific. Either that, or Bill was being conservative. When I get a chance, I will experiment with removing it. >Well, I'd rather have the driver changed to not require a re-negotiation >of the transmission parameters. I haven't read the data sheet yet (downloading now). Then we should know what limitations we have to live with. >But as long as this is not the case, store-and-forward will at least >hide that there is a problem ;-) It hides the problem very well for me. I really can't see the tiniest of performance loss with store and forward. Maybe it's something that only shows up on benchmarks. Stephen. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 4: 1: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from front001.cluster1.charter.net (24-216-159-200.hsacorp.net [24.216.159.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4720937B5D9 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 04:00:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from duhring@charter.net) Received: from [24.217.4.31] (HELO dave.uhring.com) by front001.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.2.4) with SMTP id 12949603; Sun, 09 Jul 2000 07:00:54 -0400 From: David Uhring To: Michael Robinson , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Synching my src... Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 05:59:30 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <200007090857.QAA84590@netrinsics.com> In-Reply-To: <200007090857.QAA84590@netrinsics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00070906005000.00646@dave.uhring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 09 Jul 2000, Michael Robinson wrote: > "David O'Brien" writes: > >You did remember correctly, but you seem to have missed the "all's OK" > >message that went out 2 days ago. > > This is a pet peeve of mine. Freebsd-stable is supposed to be the mailing > list that is required reading for anyone tracking stable, where all useful > information related to tracking stable is to be found. > > However, the list is increasingly such a high-volume, low signal-to-noise-ratio > chatfest that it no longer serves its intended purpose for even moderately > busy people. A prohibitive amount of time is required to sort out what is > relevant from what isn't. > > Would it be possible to create a freebsd-stable-announce list whose sole and > exclusive content is informative, authoritative messages related to the > proper downloading, installation, configuration and running of freebsd-stable? > > -Michael Robinson > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message I'll add my second to that proposal. davd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 4:46: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from area51.slashnet.org (area51.slashnet.org [208.222.214.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC4637B661 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 04:45:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from smkelly@zombie.org) Received: from edgemaster.zombie.org (cx497943-c.omhaw1.ne.home.com [24.7.36.238]) by area51.slashnet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13AAE14D402 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 07:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by edgemaster.zombie.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A4F0F98DE; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 06:45:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 06:45:55 -0500 From: Sean Kelly To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: kernel+softupdates won't compile Message-ID: <20000709064555.A44822@edgemaster.zombie.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just CVSup'd 4.0S minutes ago and came across this: (286) root@edgemaster:/usr/src/sys/i386/conf$ config EDGEMASTER Don't forget to do a ``make depend'' Kernel build directory is ../../compile/EDGEMASTER (287) root@edgemaster:/usr/src/sys/i386/conf$ cd ../../compile/EDGEMASTER/ (288) root@edgemaster:/usr/src/sys/compile/EDGEMASTER$ make depend ... perl5 ../../kern/makedevops.pl -c ../../isa/isa_if.m perl5 ../../kern/makedevops.pl -h ../../isa/isa_if.m make: don't know how to make ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_softdep.c. Stop (289) root@edgemaster:/usr/src/sys/compile/EDGEMASTER$ make ^^^ Blatantly ignore it and see what happens... ... cc -c -O -pipe -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wm issing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ans i -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_softdep_stub.c make: don't know how to make ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_softdep.c. Stop ^^^ boom (290) root@edgemaster:/usr/src/sys/compile/EDGEMASTER$ make ffs_softdep.o make: don't know how to make ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_softdep.c. Stop Something broken or do I have a bad tree here? -- Sean Kelly A Dreamcast at hand is worth two Playstations on fire. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 6:19:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C2E9B37B5D3 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 06:19:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 11701 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2000 13:19:35 -0000 Received: from p3e9d511b.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO speedy.gsinet) (62.157.81.27) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2000 13:19:35 -0000 Received: (from sittig@localhost) by speedy.gsinet (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22218 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:08:12 +0200 Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:08:12 +0200 From: Gerhard Sittig To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RELENG_4 buildworld fails in binutils/libbfd Message-ID: <20000709100812.P5945@speedy.gsinet> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000708200726.29818.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> <39678AF2.2FA77AB3@thehousleys.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <39678AF2.2FA77AB3@thehousleys.net>; from jim@thehousleys.net on Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 04:11:30PM -0400 Organization: System Defenestrators Inc. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 16:11 -0400, James Housley wrote: > > [ ... What is "MFC"? ... ] > > Merge From Current. Somewhere there is a page on > www.FreeBSD.org with this and other abbreviation, but I can't > find it now. First time I saw this term mentioned together with its meaning was in the FAQ article on the 4.0 CD (German user group's assembly). It was the first occurence, too, of how to get umlauts _and_ IBM text graphics (the iso font and cons25l1 setting thing) -- at least to me. This could be of interest for those of us using mc or mutt and the like. virtually yours 82D1 9B9C 01DC 4FB4 D7B4 61BE 3F49 4F77 72DE DA76 Gerhard Sittig true | mail -s "get gpg key" Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 6:37:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B181D37B839 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 06:37:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p41-dn02kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.106]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id WAA16391; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:37:09 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <39686E28.CDF2A57B@newsguy.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 21:20:56 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David J. Kanter" Cc: FreeBSD stable Subject: Re: UPDATING is confusing me References: <20000707213841.A5215@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "David J. Kanter" wrote: > > The latest RELENG_4 UPDATING (version 1.73.2.6) file is confusing me because > I don't know how much of the historical information applies to someone like > me, who wants to upgrade from 3.5-Stable to 4.0-Stable. Perhaps I don't > understand the concept of UPDATING (it's always been a blank file during my > upgrades): Why is there months-old historical information that is necessary > for me to follow, even though my sources (albeit 3.5) are very current? 3.x and 4.x are "branches". There development is made in parallel. Imagine then as two parallel lines in time: 1999 2000 3.x +------------3.1-------------3.2------------3.3-----------3.4-----------3.5--->3.5-stable | 4.x +-----------------------------------------------4.0-------------->4.0-stable So, changes added to the 3.x line are not the same as the ones added to 4.x line. Now, at one point in time, 4.x did not exist. When 3.x became "stable", 4.x was "branched" out of it (actually, what happens is the exact opposite, but that's a technicality of the program used to do this, cvs, let's not get into that). As work was being done on 4.x, sometimes big changes happened in the way things worked, changes that required users to take special care or to perform special steps when upgrading, or modify configuration files. Whenever something like that happened, a special notice was added to UPDATING, with a date indicating when it took place (so you would know if you already had dealt with it or not). Now, this kind of big changes are frowned upon on -stable branches (to say the least), so -stable branches are unlikely to require a file such as UPDATING. Let's now look at your examples. > Here's an example: The note for 19991218 has sendmail.cf moved to /etc/mail, > but my system works perfectly fine with sendmail.cf in /etc. Your system is 3.5. That has not happened on 3.5. But it happened on 4.0 at December 18, 1999. When you install 4.0, your system will expect to find sendmail.cf on /etc/mail instead of /etc. > And another: The note for 19991210 has the wd driver replaced with the ata > driver, but my machine works fine with the wd driver. Your machine is 3.5. The ata driver has not been added to the 3.x branch. But on 4.0, the default driver for IDE disks is the ata driver. The wd driver is not compiled in by default anymore, and has been deprecated. It will sooner or later start collecting some bit rot, and all sorts of problems can be expected from their usage instead of the ata driver. In other words, you better modify your configuration files (the kernel configuration file, if you use a special one, and /etc/fstab) to account for it. > My system started with an install from the 3.4-Release CD-ROM a few months > ago, then went to 3.4-Stable and then 3.5-Stable via source upgrades. > > How far back do I need to go in the historical information? Is this > historical information taken from when 4.X was -current, and that's why the > dates don't match up for me, who was tracking 3.X? While this is correct as far as 4.x being current at the time these modifications were made, the reason why the dates don't match is that they refer to the 4.x branch, which is not the 3.x branch. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@the.great.underground.bsdconpiracy.org _DES: The Book of Bruce has only one sentence in it, and it says "the actual directives of my cult are left as an exercise for the reader. Good luck." jkh: does it really include the 'good luck' part? EE: OK, I made that part up. EE: I figured it should sound a bit more cheery than how Bruce initially dictated it to me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 6:37:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3A937B82E for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 06:37:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p41-dn02kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.106]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id WAA16424; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:37:15 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <39686E97.12BBF860@newsguy.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 21:22:47 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: R Joseph Wright Cc: Alfred Perlstein , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0-STABLE question (aka, now I did it) References: <20000707212514.W630@zaphon.llamas.net> <20000707213246.V25571@fw.wintelcom.net> <20000707215852.A11695@manatee.mammalia.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG R Joseph Wright wrote: > > Why would you have to modify the files in /boot? > Last time I did it, doing installkernel KERNEL=BLAH would only put BLAH > in the / directory. You still have to do > # chflags noschg kernel BLAH > # mv kernel kernel.old > # mv BLAH kernel > # chflags schg kernel* echo 'kernel="BLAH"' >>/boot/loader.conf and you won't have to do anything after installkernel. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@the.great.underground.bsdconpiracy.org _DES: The Book of Bruce has only one sentence in it, and it says "the actual directives of my cult are left as an exercise for the reader. Good luck." jkh: does it really include the 'good luck' part? EE: OK, I made that part up. EE: I figured it should sound a bit more cheery than how Bruce initially dictated it to me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 6:50: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de (waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.4.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F3E37B64F for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 06:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE) Received: from marcy.cs.uni-dortmund.de (marcy.cs.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.20.159]) by waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de with ESMTP id PAA28753; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:49:53 +0200 (MES) Received: from lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de (lucy [129.217.20.160]) by marcy.cs.uni-dortmund.de id PAA24607; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:49:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from grossjoh@localhost) by lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA24928; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:49:53 +0200 Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:49:53 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de: grossjoh set sender to Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE using -f To: Sean Kelly Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel+softupdates won't compile References: <20000709064555.A44822@edgemaster.zombie.org> From: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai =?iso-8859-1?q?Gro=DFjohann?=) In-Reply-To: Sean Kelly's message of "Sun, 9 Jul 2000 06:45:55 -0500" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.0.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 12 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sean Kelly writes: > Something broken or do I have a bad tree here? I came across the same thing, but remembered to have a look at /usr/src/UPDATING. This tells you to remove the symlinks in that directory. I'm not sure if you need another CVSup after removing the symlinks. kai -- I like BOTH kinds of music. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 6:57:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.omn.net (atlantis.omn.net [212.158.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B7E37B839 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 06:57:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@enets.co.uk) Received: from enets.co.uk (sabre3.sja.co.uk [212.158.68.7]) by mail.omn.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/Omnitech-2.0.0) with ESMTP id e69ExAc10453 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 14:59:12 GMT Message-ID: <39688478.8F001266@enets.co.uk> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 14:56:08 +0100 From: Steve Abraham Reply-To: steve@enets.co.uk Organization: eNets Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- FREE LOCAL RATE DIALUP INTERNET ACCESS Now available nationwide Ask for details, or visit http://www.freedialups.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Steve Abraham eNets Ltd UK steve (at) enets.co.uk http://www.eNets.ltd.uk T: +44 (0)1463 861311 F: +44 (0)8702 840220 M: +44 (0)7770 332765 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 7: 1: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from proxy.outblaze.com (proxy.outblaze.com [202.77.223.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C05D737BAE0 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 07:00:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yusufg@outblaze.com) Received: (qmail 45278 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2000 14:02:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO yusufg.portal2.com) (202.77.181.217) by proxy.outblaze.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2000 14:02:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 12832 invoked by uid 500); 9 Jul 2000 14:00:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:00:53 +0800 From: Yusuf Goolamabbas To: Keith Kemp Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, obrien@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Error in building 4.0-stable kernel Message-ID: <20000709220053.A12753@outblaze.com> References: <20000709163152.A4037@outblaze.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from kkemp@nwcr.net on Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 01:36:52AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Did that also, Also deleted the offending file bioscall.s, still get the same error cc'ing David O'Brien > Yusuf, I got this same error the other day. I did a cvsup later and the > kernel compiled fine. I would recommend the same. > > Keith > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Yusuf Goolamabbas > > Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 1:32 AM > > To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > > Subject: Error in building 4.0-stable kernel > > > > > > P3/500 with 256MB RAM. 9GB SCSI > > > > My current kernel/world build is from June 15. I did a cvsup today > > (figuring O'Brien should have finished his binutil's stuff) > > I did the following > > /usr/sbin/config > > cd ../../compile/FILE > > make depend;make > > > > I get the following error > > > > cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls > > -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes > > -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi > > -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -D_KERNEL -include > > opt_global.h -elf -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 > > ../../i386/i386/bioscall.s > > /tmp/ccK15575.s: Assembler messages: > > /tmp/ccK15575.s:773: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 > > instruction > > /tmp/ccK15575.s:838: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 > > instruction > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > Do I need to do a buildworld/installworld first before installing the > > new kernel. I always build a kernel first and then build world/install > > world > > > > > > -- > > Yusuf Goolamabbas > > yusufg@outblaze.com > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > -- Yusuf Goolamabbas yusufg@outblaze.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 7:28:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.root-servers.ch (alpha.root-servers.ch [195.49.62.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C7AC337B839 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 07:28:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gabriel_ambuehl@buz.ch) Received: (qmail 29286 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2000 14:28:20 -0000 Received: from client99-59.hispeed.ch (62.2.99.59) by ns1.root-servers.ch with SMTP; 9 Jul 2000 14:28:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 16:28:58 +0200 From: Gabriel Ambuehl X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.44) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Organization: BUZ Internet Services X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1251614050.20000709162858@buz.ch> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Can't build Kernel... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I cvsupped my 4-STABLE systems today at approx. 11am GMT. Since then, none of them can compile its Kernel anymore (all machines use identical, unchanged configfiles), this is what I get when I try to compile the Kernel: cc -c -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 ../../i386/i386/bios.c cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 ../../i386/i386/bioscall.s /tmp/ccc89247.s: Assembler messages: /tmp/ccc89247.s:774: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 instruction /tmp/ccc89247.s:839: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 instruction *** Error code 1 Best regards, Gabriel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 8:41:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33B137C1DB for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 08:40:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from boshea@ricochet.net) Received: from beastie.localdomain ([24.19.158.41]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000709154053.RUFH13081.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@beastie.localdomain>; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 08:40:53 -0700 Received: (from brian@localhost) by beastie.localdomain (8.9.3/8.8.7) id IAA01216; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 08:51:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 08:51:34 -0700 From: "Brian O'Shea" To: Gabriel Ambuehl Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can't build Kernel... Message-ID: <20000709085134.A351@beastie.localdomain> Reply-To: boshea@ricochet.net Mail-Followup-To: Gabriel Ambuehl , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <1251614050.20000709162858@buz.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <1251614050.20000709162858@buz.ch>; from Gabriel Ambuehl on Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:28:58PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gabriel, I had this problem yesterday too. What are you updating from, and what procedure did you follow to update? I started with 4.0-RELEASE and updated my sources some time yesterday morning. To get around this problem, I did a buildworld followed by an installworld (I'm assuming this was needed to update the compiler, assembler and friends) and then built the kernel. This was on a system that doesn't have any critical data on it, so I could throw caution to the wind. Your situation may differ and you might want to follow the suggestions in UPDATING more carefully than I did. -brian On Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:28:58PM +0200, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > Hello, > I cvsupped my 4-STABLE systems today at approx. 11am GMT. Since then, > none of them can compile its Kernel anymore (all machines use > identical, unchanged configfiles), this is what I get when I try to compile the > Kernel: > > cc -c -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 ../../i386/i386/bios.c > cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 ../../i386/i386/bioscall.s > /tmp/ccc89247.s: Assembler messages: > /tmp/ccc89247.s:774: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 instruction > /tmp/ccc89247.s:839: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 instruction > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > > Best regards, > Gabriel > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Brian O'Shea boshea@ricochet.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 8:48:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from denverweb.net (xenu.denverweb.net [199.45.153.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E85237B53A for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 08:48:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bminazzi@denverweb.net) Received: from denverweb.net (rc-pm3-4-37.enetis.net [206.31.207.196]) by denverweb.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12615; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:53:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <39689206.34BE7E80@denverweb.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 14:53:58 +0000 From: "B. K. Minazzi" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Greco Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AMD K6-2 / 550 References: <200007082200.RAA27572@aurora.sol.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Joe Greco wrote: > Me, I'm just reaping the benefits of all the advances in hardware. I > can now afford to sit here and purchase recycled hardware, like Pentium > grade stuff that nobody wants anymore, get it for a song, and turn around > and turn it into Real Equipment. I couldn't agree more. Yesterdays high end technology at fire sale prices, combined with FreeBSD (or even Linux) == great systems for little cash. I prefer to put my money into appreciating assets as much as possible instead of the latest Wiz-bang gigahertz CPU's and falling rock values of equipment, as AMD and Intel try to outdo each other to sell to easily impressed winblows users. I have to shake my head in wonderment as I watch people put lots of money into hardware that depreciates so quickly, and replace it every couple years without it ever pushing it to anywhere near its capacity, and all the while complaining about declining profit margins on their business. To paraphrase ol' Benjamin Frnaklin, a thousand dollars saved is a thousand earned. ( My workstation is an old Asus based P55T2P4 w/ a AMD K6-2 333 mhz. It does everything I need, and is so fast I dont know how a faster system would really DO anything for me, from a REAL PRODUCTIVITY standpoint. ) Cheers, Blaine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 9:15:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E5D37B76B for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:15:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28692; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:15:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA48616; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:15:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007091615.JAA48616@vashon.polstra.com> To: manek@nwserv.com Subject: Re: Editing stable-supfile In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article , Sameer R. Manek wrote: > Someone with proper privileges should edit > /usr/src/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile and remove the crypto tags from > it. Since they are no longer needed, and may confuse novice users. We know, and we're working on it. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 9:17:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.root-servers.ch (alpha.root-servers.ch [195.49.62.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A7B9737B959 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:17:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gabriel_ambuehl@buz.ch) Received: (qmail 29893 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2000 16:17:13 -0000 Received: from client99-59.hispeed.ch (62.2.99.59) by ns1.root-servers.ch with SMTP; 9 Jul 2000 16:17:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:17:51 +0200 From: Gabriel Ambuehl X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.44) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Organization: BUZ Internet Services X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1188147695.20000709181751@buz.ch> To: Brian O'Shea Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: Can't build Kernel... In-reply-To: <20000709085134.A351@beastie.localdomain> References: <1251614050.20000709162858@buz.ch> <20000709085134.A351@beastie.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I had this problem yesterday too. What are you updating from, and > what procedure did you follow to update? 4-Stable as of Thursday. After the recent commitments to 4 Stable I wanted to have them ASAP ;-) > and updated my sources some time yesterday morning. To get around > this problem, I did a buildworld followed by an installworld (I'm > assuming this was needed to update the compiler, assembler and > friends) and then built the kernel. Hm... So you mean I should risk an installworld before I've got the new Kernel (I normally do the make world/make kernel stuff all together)? Well, I'll try that on a devbox... > the wind. Your situation may differ and you might want to follow > the suggestions in UPDATING more carefully than I did. Hmm. I'll try it, after all, it's a devbox and if the whole thing is not working, I'll wait a few days and do another cvsup (last time this did solve my problems ;-.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 9:20:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lerami.lerctr.org (lerami.lerctr.org [207.158.72.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0F037B76B for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:20:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ler@lerctr.org) Received: (from ler@localhost) by lerami.lerctr.org (8.10.1/8.10.1/20000708) id e69GKDK02998; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:20:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Larry Rosenman Message-Id: <200007091620.e69GKDK02998@lerami.lerctr.org> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Can't build Kernel... In-Reply-To: <1188147695.20000709181751@buz.ch> "from Gabriel Ambuehl at Jul 9, 2000 06:17:51 pm" To: Gabriel Ambuehl Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:20:13 -0500 (CDT) Cc: "Brian O'Shea" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL79 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG or use: make buildkernel KERNEL= > > I had this problem yesterday too. What are you updating from, and > > what procedure did you follow to update? > > 4-Stable as of Thursday. After the recent commitments to 4 Stable I > wanted to have them ASAP ;-) > > > and updated my sources some time yesterday morning. To get around > > this problem, I did a buildworld followed by an installworld (I'm > > assuming this was needed to update the compiler, assembler and > > friends) and then built the kernel. > > Hm... So you mean I should risk an installworld before I've got the > new Kernel (I normally do the make world/make kernel stuff all > together)? Well, I'll try that on a devbox... > > > the wind. Your situation may differ and you might want to follow > > the suggestions in UPDATING more carefully than I did. > > Hmm. I'll try it, after all, it's a devbox and if the whole thing is > not working, I'll wait a few days and do another cvsup (last time this did solve my > problems ;-.) > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 (voice) Internet: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 9:38:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.rdc2.pa.home.com (mail2.rdc2.pa.home.com [24.12.106.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2122337B51B for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:38:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from RossAlexander@Home.com) Received: from [192.168.111.98] ([24.3.161.67]) by mail2.rdc2.pa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000709163852.QLW11850.mail2.rdc2.pa.home.com@[192.168.111.98]> for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:38:52 -0700 Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 12:38:50 -0400 From: Ross Alexander To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Synching my src... Message-ID: <1073656016.963146330@[192.168.111.98]> In-Reply-To: <00070906005000.00646@dave.uhring.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.1 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> Would it be possible to create a freebsd-stable-announce list whose sole >> and exclusive content is informative, authoritative messages related to >> the proper downloading, installation, configuration and running of >> freebsd-stable? > > I'll add my second to that proposal. And I'll add my third. -- Ross Alexander RossAlexander@Home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 9:40:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.root-servers.ch (alpha.root-servers.ch [195.49.62.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A7D4F37BDE3 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:40:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gabriel_ambuehl@buz.ch) Received: (qmail 29979 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2000 16:40:32 -0000 Received: from client99-59.hispeed.ch (62.2.99.59) by ns1.root-servers.ch with SMTP; 9 Jul 2000 16:40:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:41:09 +0200 From: Gabriel Ambuehl X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.44) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Organization: BUZ Internet Services X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <889545956.20000709184109@buz.ch> To: Ross Alexander Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: Synching my src... In-reply-To: <1073656016.963146330@[192\.168\.111\.98]> References: <1073656016.963146330@[192.168.111.98]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>> Would it be possible to create a freebsd-stable-announce list whose sole >>> and exclusive content is informative, authoritative messages related to >>> the proper downloading, installation, configuration and running of >>> freebsd-stable? >> I'll add my second to that proposal. > And I'll add my third. plz add me too I think that one would be really great as it would be much easier to filter out the really important stuff then... Best regards, Gabriel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 9:47:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.root-servers.ch (alpha.root-servers.ch [195.49.62.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 85B1137BAE0 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:47:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gabriel_ambuehl@buz.ch) Received: (qmail 30043 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2000 16:47:22 -0000 Received: from client99-59.hispeed.ch (62.2.99.59) by ns1.root-servers.ch with SMTP; 9 Jul 2000 16:47:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:48:00 +0200 From: Gabriel Ambuehl X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.44) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Organization: BUZ Internet Services X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <779956606.20000709184800@buz.ch> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: [SOLVED] Re[3]: Can't build Kernel... In-reply-To: <1188147695.20000709181751@buz.ch> References: <1251614050.20000709162858@buz.ch> <20000709085134.A351@beastie.localdomain> <1188147695.20000709181751@buz.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A make installworld followed by a make buildkernel did solve the problems. Thanks a lot! Best regards, Gabriel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 10: 1:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hecky.it.northwestern.edu (hecky.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A1337B92A for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:01:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djkanter@northwestern.edu) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by hecky.it.northwestern.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA22196 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:01:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (areca-23-028091.nuts.nwu.edu [165.124.28.91]) by hecky.acns.nwu.edu via smap (V2.0) id xma022163; Sun, 9 Jul 00 12:01:35 -0500 Received: (from david@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00315 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:57:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from david) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:57:54 -0500 From: "David J. Kanter" To: FreeBSD stable Subject: Minor issues after upgrade to 4.0-Stable Message-ID: <20000709115754.A289@localhost.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD stable Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i X-Organization: Northwestern University X-Operating-System: FreeBSD localhost.localdomain 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My upgrade from 3.5 to 4.0 was a lot easier than I thought, but now I've got some minor annoyances that I don't know how to fix. 1. Xfstt (linux) isn't working properly. The binary is running, as shown by ps, but I have no access to TrueType fonts. All the fonts are on my Windows partition. It worked fine before, and I haven't changed a thing in the start-up script or /etc/XF86Config. 2. WindowMaker's wmnet isn't working right. I have wmnet -i tun0 start up automatically, but it starts up with the ppp0 device. And, none of my tunneling devices show up if I cycle through all the devices on the wmnet app. If I type, at the shell, wmnet -i tun0, it'll show up. All the other devices show up, like faith, etc., too. 3. How do I get the new docs to install? I cvsup'ed the doc-all branch, and assumed they would be updated automatically. But they weren't. What do I do to get these updated? 4. /var/cron/log moved to /var/log/cron, so I just did a cp -Rp. Does that sound OK? Again, these are minor in the grand scheme of things, but I'd like to get them fixed. -- David Kanter djkanter@northwestern.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 10: 2:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from corinth.bossig.com (corinth.bossig.com [208.26.239.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A3E37BD7F for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:02:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kstewart@3-cities.com) Received: from 3-cities.com (unverified [206.159.132.160]) by corinth.bossig.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.2.4) with ESMTP id ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:50:05 -0700 Message-ID: <3968ACC2.4C40874D@3-cities.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 09:48:02 -0700 From: Kent Stewart Organization: BOSSig (BOSS Internet Group) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gabriel Ambuehl Cc: Brian O'Shea , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't build Kernel... References: <1251614050.20000709162858@buz.ch> <20000709085134.A351@beastie.localdomain> <1188147695.20000709181751@buz.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > > > I had this problem yesterday too. What are you updating from, and > > what procedure did you follow to update? > > 4-Stable as of Thursday. After the recent commitments to 4 Stable I > wanted to have them ASAP ;-) > > > and updated my sources some time yesterday morning. To get around > > this problem, I did a buildworld followed by an installworld (I'm > > assuming this was needed to update the compiler, assembler and > > friends) and then built the kernel. > > Hm... So you mean I should risk an installworld before I've got the > new Kernel (I normally do the make world/make kernel stuff all > together)? Well, I'll try that on a devbox... We encountered this right after O'Brien finished adding his massive /binutil changes. You can fix it one of two ways. I prefer the "make buildkernel KERNEL=" and then follow that with a "make installkernel KERNEL=". I don't like doing a make world and that is the only other way it will work before you try building your kernel. This way I have a good buildworld and a good kernel before I start the installs. I was down yesterday while my DSL line was getting fixed but I have two systems running where I use basically the make sequence from /usr/src/UPDATING. The thread where we got it to working is "Re: make: don't know how to make dwarf1.c. Stop". The second system came up much faster. Kent > > > the wind. Your situation may differ and you might want to follow > > the suggestions in UPDATING more carefully than I did. > > Hmm. I'll try it, after all, it's a devbox and if the whole thing is > not working, I'll wait a few days and do another cvsup (last time this did solve my > problems ;-.) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kstewart@3-cities.com http://www.3-cities.com/~kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ Web page with Hanford Wild fire photographs. http://www.cooke.urx.com/cooke/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 10:45: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from corinth.bossig.com (corinth.bossig.com [208.26.239.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B766A37B53A for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:45:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kstewart@3-cities.com) Received: from 3-cities.com (unverified [206.159.132.160]) by corinth.bossig.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.2.4) with ESMTP id ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:27:23 -0700 Message-ID: <3968B580.F6B1A5@3-cities.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 10:25:20 -0700 From: Kent Stewart Organization: BOSSig (BOSS Internet Group) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David J. Kanter" Cc: FreeBSD stable Subject: Re: Minor issues after upgrade to 4.0-Stable References: <20000709115754.A289@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "David J. Kanter" wrote: > > My upgrade from 3.5 to 4.0 was a lot easier than I thought, but now I've got > some minor annoyances that I don't know how to fix. > > 1. Xfstt (linux) isn't working properly. The binary is running, as shown by > ps, but I have no access to TrueType fonts. All the fonts are on my Windows > partition. It worked fine before, and I haven't changed a thing in the > start-up script or /etc/XF86Config. > > 2. WindowMaker's wmnet isn't working right. I have wmnet -i tun0 start up > automatically, but it starts up with the ppp0 device. And, none of my > tunneling devices show up if I cycle through all the devices on the wmnet > app. If I type, at the shell, wmnet -i tun0, it'll show up. All the other > devices show up, like faith, etc., too. > > 3. How do I get the new docs to install? I cvsup'ed the doc-all branch, and > assumed they would be updated automatically. But they weren't. What do I do > to get these updated? You have to "cd /usr/doc" and do a make and make install. You need the docproj installed before it will work. What I did then is add a folder to my KDE desktop with a link to /usr/doc//articles and books. Kent > > 4. /var/cron/log moved to /var/log/cron, so I just did a cp -Rp. Does that > sound OK? > > Again, these are minor in the grand scheme of things, but I'd like to get > them fixed. > -- > David Kanter > djkanter@northwestern.edu > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kstewart@3-cities.com http://www.3-cities.com/~kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ Bomber dropping fire retardant in front of Hanford Wild fire. http://www.3-cities.com/~kstewart/bomber.jpg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 11:11:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fnal.gov (heffalump.fnal.gov [131.225.9.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E07D37B94B for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:11:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zingelman@fnal.gov) Received: from nova.fnal.gov ([131.225.18.207]) by smtp.fnal.gov (PMDF V6.0-24 #44770) with ESMTP id <0FXF004HYZV0BB@smtp.fnal.gov> for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 09 Jul 2000 13:11:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (tez@localhost) by nova.fnal.gov (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA15479 for ; Sun, 09 Jul 2000 13:11:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 13:11:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Tim Zingelman Subject: Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now X-Sender: tez@nova.fnal.gov To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-warning: nova.fnal.gov: tez owned process doing -bs Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Doug Barton wrote: > > /usr/local/etc/rc.d now must _pay attention_ to the argument sent to > > them. Right now, many scripts in there do a startup procedure when > > called. (period) This will need to be fixed. There _will_ be some pain. > And what some of us are saying is that the pain is not a > requirement to make this feature work. There are ways to accomplish the > goal that this proposal wants to accomplish without all of the "pain" that > suddenly changing everything around will engender. > Doug I agree. How painful would it be to grep the scripts for "stop.*)" and only execute those that match at shutdown time? if [ "X${local_startup}" != X"NO" ]; then echo -n 'Local package shutdown:' for dir in ${local_startup}; do [ -d ${dir} ] && for script in ${dir}/*.sh; do [ -x ${script} ] && grep -q "stop.*)" ${script} && \ (set -T ; trap 'exit 1' 2 ; ${script} stop) done done echo . fi The key part here is the addition of: grep -q "stop.*)" ${script} && Certainly not guaranteed to catch everything, but much better than nothing IMHO. - Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 11:31:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25E237B8F0 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:31:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 13BLrV-0005no-00 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 09 Jul 2000 14:31:29 -0400 Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 14:31:29 -0400 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now Message-ID: <20000709143129.B20852@pir.net> Reply-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from zingelman@fnal.gov on Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 01:11:23PM -0500 X-fish: < X-Copy-On-Listmail: Please do NOT Cc: me on list mail. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tim Zingelman probably said: > [ -d ${dir} ] && for script in ${dir}/*.sh; do > grep -q "stop.*)" ${script} && > > Certainly not guaranteed to catch everything, but much better than > nothing IMHO. How about renaming them ? Leave the existing scripts as .sh, use a different suffix for scripts that grok start/stop ? No changes required for things that don't need to be stopped, no slowdown (since nothing is run for scripts that don't need a stop) and the things that do want stops are the only thing that have to change ? Not very clean, admittedly, but it might allow the two to operate together until all the old scripts have migrationed, if that was the aim. P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 12:18:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web3102.mail.yahoo.com (web3102.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.187]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EFA5737BC24 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:18:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsstan@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20000709191814.11686.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.141.203.189] by web3102.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 09 Jul 2000 12:18:14 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:18:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Stanaford Subject: Re: Synching my src... To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --- "David J. Kanter" wrote: > On Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 08:46:29PM -0700, Richard Stanaford wrote: > > I will probably need to pull most of the src tree in order to go STABLE > from > > 4.0-RELEASE and that is a seven hour download across a 56K dialup > connection... > > a significant investment of time. So you can understand my caution. > ---end quoted text--- > > I just cvsup'ed sources from 3.5-Stable to 4.0-Stable, and it didn't take > that long. Maybe a couple of hours, or so. It was certainly longer than a > normal 3.X to 3.X+1 upgrade, but aren't you more than halfway there by > having 4.0-Release? If you did a minimal kernel development install (bin/doc/man/syc-src), like I did, you would have to pull the whole tree. -Richard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 12:33: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web3103.mail.yahoo.com (web3103.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AAEFC37B51F for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:33:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsstan@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20000709193302.818.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.141.203.226] by web3103.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 09 Jul 2000 12:33:02 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:33:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Stanaford Subject: Re: Synching my src... To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --- Ross Alexander wrote: > >> Would it be possible to create a freebsd-stable-announce list whose sole > >> and exclusive content is informative, authoritative messages related to > >> the proper downloading, installation, configuration and running of > >> freebsd-stable? > > > > I'll add my second to that proposal. > > And I'll add my third. Add my support as well. It will reduce the likelihood of getting chided when, like me, you cannot spend every free moment sitting on the list trying to track an update. -Richard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 13:26: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net (emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C662A37B6A4 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:26:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@pool0548.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net) Received: from pool0548.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net (pool0548.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.194.38]) by emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24424 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by pool0548.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00583 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:24:22 -0700 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now Message-ID: <20000709132421.B394@dialin-client.earthlink.net> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <20000709143129.B20852@pir.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000709143129.B20852@pir.net>; from pir@pir.net on Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 02:31:29PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 02:31:29PM -0400, Peter Radcliffe wrote: > Tim Zingelman probably said: > > [ -d ${dir} ] && for script in ${dir}/*.sh; do > > grep -q "stop.*)" ${script} && > > > > Certainly not guaranteed to catch everything, but much better than > > nothing IMHO. > > How about renaming them ? Leave the existing scripts as .sh, use > a different suffix for scripts that grok start/stop ? > > No changes required for things that don't need to be stopped, no > slowdown (since nothing is run for scripts that don't need a stop) and > the things that do want stops are the only thing that have to change ? > > Not very clean, admittedly, but it might allow the two to operate > together until all the old scripts have migrationed, if that was the > aim. How about leave the usage of /usr/local/etc/rc.d the same as it is now and put the sysV style ones in /etc/rc.d or someplace else? In /etc/rc, there can be "local_startup" and "local_startup_old" lists that contain the directories which contain each type of script? -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@alum.mit.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 13:37:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6611537BF96 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:37:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA15666; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:37:05 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-81.max1.wa.cyberlynk.net(207.227.118.81) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma015641; Sun Jul 9 15:36:27 2000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20000709144723.00c67580@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 15:35:27 -0500 To: Michael Robinson , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Tracking -stable (was Re: Synching my src...) In-Reply-To: <200007090857.QAA84590@netrinsics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 04:57 PM 7/9/00 +0800, Michael Robinson wrote: >"David O'Brien" writes: > >You did remember correctly, but you seem to have missed the "all's OK" > >message that went out 2 days ago. > >This is a pet peeve of mine. Freebsd-stable is supposed to be the mailing >list that is required reading for anyone tracking stable, where all useful >information related to tracking stable is to be found. And what does this have to do with the subject you used? Hmmm... >However, the list is increasingly such a high-volume, low >signal-to-noise-ratio >chatfest that it no longer serves its intended purpose for even moderately >busy people. A prohibitive amount of time is required to sort out what is >relevant from what isn't. This is the price one pays for tracking -stable and being on a mailing list. Yet I agree that it has been a bit more noisy than usual. >Would it be possible to create a freebsd-stable-announce list whose sole and >exclusive content is informative, authoritative messages related to the >proper downloading, installation, configuration and running of freebsd-stable? Great, then most will need to track yet another list. Why not just watch the commits and check the -stable list when you run into a problem. Adding another list would not help the problem. Someone then has to decide what goes where and if it doesn't fit what you want.. This is a catch-22 situation, IMO What bothers and amuses me to no end are those that complain about building problem, *after* a number of messages have been sent to the list *after* a heads up *and* they are building with sources that are not up to date. Considering the number of recent changes I've been holding off on cvsup'ing and have exactly 300 message for commits to -stable since last buildworld on 6/27. Fact is, I was going to re-synch about a week back, but after some lib changes held off, since lib changes are the biggest pain in the a^Hports at times. After that the tree changes and cc/binutils as well as a few build problems and an SMP issue, decided to sit back and wait. Considering the number of commit-fests going on the past 10 days by David E. O'Brien, Matt Jacob, Paul Saab, and Nick Hibma (not that I use USB) there are those that paid the price by trying to keep up and missing parts of the various critical updates. My point is everyone doing a build should pay attention to the list and when a build problem goes away and they successfully complete a build they add a "(solved)" to the message thread. This should help those less experienced. Personally I think there are too many either trying too hard to track -stable and building too often or doing so for no reason other than to "just do it." Certainly those doing the commits want a large audience to determine if there are any problems with an MFC, but then as an MFC there should have been a testing/trial period in -current. Considering the traffic will be going up considerably with 4.1R around the corner, I'd ask that there be a limit on the "me too" type messages. I must admit that doing so is not as bad as having a half dozen "build problem" messages covering the same error. Before posting a problem one should check and read mail, both -stable and cvs. The first may contain a fix for testing or mention a recent commit. Checking cvs after a failed build may show a commit to the file(s) that build breaks on. By checking it in the first place you might be clued in that someone is actively committing and it might be good to wait. Basically cvsup, build, oops error, check mail, cvsup again (may have missed a commit), and try building again after blowing away /usr/obj (like one should unless they know better). Then if it fails check mail and finally send a message. There seems to be a slew of memory/hardware related build problems. Perhaps there should be mention of the signs of possible memory/hardware build issues somewhere other than the docs and web page. Then again, many don't RTFM, so what use. Think I'll step down now, check mail again , cvsup, and clean out my inbound commits. Pardon the rant, but hopefully added some insight and not too much noise. 8-) To be fair, I think it is OK to speak up quickly when the X.Y-RC's are out. The higher traffic should be considered the price paid for a more perfect release. Just check and read mail first. ;) Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 13:47: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58ED437BF38; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:46:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16852; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:46:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200007092046.NAA16852@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Strangeness with 4.0-S In-Reply-To: <200007091052.UAA09724@dungeon.home> from Stephen McKay at "Jul 9, 0 08:52:16 pm" To: mckay@thehub.com.au (Stephen McKay) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:46:44 -0700 (MST) Cc: se@FreeBSD.ORG, mckay@thehub.com.au, aedmonds@digitalconvergence.com, wpaul@FreeBSD.ORG, cwasser@v-wave.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Stephen McKay wrote: > It hides the problem very well for me. I really can't see the tiniest > of performance loss with store and forward. Maybe it's something that > only shows up on benchmarks. This had been banging back and forth, but if anyone cares I'd much rather have the messages. The more I can know about what's going on, the better I like it. Same reason I hate Plug-and-pray, for example. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 13:54: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508FD37BF55 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:53:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16906; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:53:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200007092053.NAA16906@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: UPDATING is confusing me In-Reply-To: <39686E28.CDF2A57B@newsguy.com> from "Daniel C. Sobral" at "Jul 9, 0 09:20:56 pm" To: dcs@newsguy.com (Daniel C. Sobral) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:53:52 -0700 (MST) Cc: djkanter@northwestern.edu, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > The wd driver is not compiled in by default anymore, and has been > deprecated. It will sooner or later start collecting some bit > rot, and all sorts of problems can be expected from their usage > instead of the ata driver. There ought to be another term for what happens here than "bit rot". It's not so much that the code decomposes, it's that the hardware grows in unanticipated, unsupported ways. In my mind, bit rot is more like what happens in the ports collection, when the code is actively being modified, sometimes in ways that disenfranchise legacy devices. They are diametrically opposite. So, what should we call it? "Bit freshening" doesn't quite seem to capture it... -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 14:15:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.omn.net (atlantis.omn.net [212.158.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D679237B51E for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 14:15:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@enets.co.uk) Received: from enets.co.uk (sabre3.sja.co.uk [212.158.68.7]) by mail.omn.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/Omnitech-2.0.0) with ESMTP id e69MHZc12433 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:17:35 GMT Message-ID: <3968EB37.AF99A347@enets.co.uk> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 22:14:31 +0100 From: Steve Abraham Reply-To: steve@enets.co.uk Organization: eNets Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: My apologies. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It has been brought to my attention that a blank email was sent to this list containing nothing more than my signature earlier on today. I would like to stress that this was NOT spam, and was in fact an error on my behalf during an attempt to subscribe to the list. I am new to FreeBSD and having the usual newbie problems, although I have a good knowledge of Linux. This list has already provided me with the answers I needed to solve my initial problems using cvsup and getting the kernel to compile correctly following an update. I apologize for any upset my earlier blunder caused. Regards, Steve Abraham. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- FREE LOCAL RATE DIALUP INTERNET ACCESS Now available nationwide Ask for details, or visit http://www.freedialups.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Steve Abraham eNets Ltd UK steve (at) enets.co.uk http://www.eNets.ltd.uk T: +44 (0)1463 861311 F: +44 (0)8702 840220 M: +44 (0)7770 332765 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 14:20:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.osd.bsdi.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9845F37C397 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 14:20:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12308; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 14:19:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com) To: Joe Greco Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.*-stable sysinstall ... custom dist problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 09 Jul 2000 00:48:35 CDT." <200007090548.AAA60599@aurora.sol.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 14:19:54 -0700 Message-ID: <12305.963177594@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This should work as it always has; no change has been made to the code in question, nor have any additional size limits (or any other kind) been imposed. - Jordan > I'm having sysinstall problems. > > I used to be able to do this, and I can't seem to anymore. I was wondering > if anyone could verify my theory. > > For a long time, I've rolled custom distributions and .tar.gz'd them, put > them into bin.aa, did a cksum and patched bin.inf, and simply used > sysinstall to pop them onto a system. > > I seem to be unable to get this to work, now, under 4.0. It's worse because > I'm trying to do it on a laptop, and every iteration of try-something-else > takes quite a bit of typing to set up (plus forgotten things that scrap a > given boot). I thought it was just my laptop, until I decided to see if it > would go and install a standard load - and it did. > > Pieces = 1 > cksum.aa = 1770647625 465713122 > > is what I'm trying to load. > > I experimented a bit and it seems to me that maybe there's about a 300K > chunk size limit now, which really sucks because splitting that distro up > with split ends up with "too many pieces". > > Is there, in fact, a chunk size limit now? > > Obviously I can work around this, but it's inconvenient and unfortunate > if so. :-/ > > Thanks for any hints, > -- > ... Joe > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net > Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 14:38:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dt052n3e.san.rr.com (dt052n3e.san.rr.com [204.210.33.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A1C37B669 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 14:38:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt052n3e.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA65009; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 14:38:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <3968F0E9.C54F08BB@gorean.org> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 14:38:49 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now References: <20000709143129.B20852@pir.net> <20000709132421.B394@dialin-client.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Crist J. Clark" wrote: > How about leave the usage of /usr/local/etc/rc.d the same as it is now > and put the sysV style ones in /etc/rc.d or someplace else? In > /etc/rc, there can be "local_startup" and "local_startup_old" lists > that contain the directories which contain each type of script? Peter W. already suggested /usr/local/etc/rc.shutdown (or something to that effect, I don't remember the name exactly). I would like to see the shutdown scripts in a totally seperate directory. For those scripts that work properly for startup and shutdown, hard or soft links can be used to eliminate wasted space, and control start/stop order. Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 15:34:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0676337C036 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:34:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.xtalwind.net [127.0.0.1]) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e69MY4G26887 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:34:02 -0400 (EDT) From: jack To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fresh 4.0-STABLE install possible?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Today Jeremy Shaffner wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jun 100 ml@seeberg.dk wrote: > > > Ehh, just a few months ago it was possible to download 4.0-STABLE snapshots > > from current.freebsd.org. But not anymore > > 4.0 is no longer -CURRENT. Snapshots are on releng4.freebsd.org. Yes, and someone should point that out to release/texts/i386/RELNOTES.TXT For the latest of these 4.0-stable snapshots, you should always see: ftp://current.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD If you wish to get the latest post-4.0-RELEASE technology. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 15:50: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from aurora.sol.net (aurora.sol.net [206.55.65.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8DE37B684 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgreco@aurora.sol.net) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by aurora.sol.net (8.9.2/8.9.2/SNNS-1.02) id SAA33503; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:06:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <200007092306.SAA33503@aurora.sol.net> Subject: Re: 4.*-stable sysinstall ... custom dist problems In-Reply-To: <12305.963177594@localhost> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Jul 9, 2000 2:19:54 pm" To: jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:06:56 -0500 (CDT) Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > This should work as it always has; no change has been made to the code > in question, nor have any additional size limits (or any other kind) > been imposed. Hmm, I'll try to play with it in a less hostile environment. The obvious workaround, to install just bindist and then go to the emergency shell and do something like ftp> get mydistro.aa "|tar --unlink -zxvf -" works just fine, but I tried half a dozen variations using sysinstall itself to retrieve the mydistro.aa named as bin.aa, and none worked. I was at first chalking it up to PCMCIA networking issues, but it broke under PPP as well, and the PCMCIA stuff worked fine when I did the above workaround. I've been doing this with no problems since 2.1.0R days, so it really caught me off guard.. I think I'll be putting this same distro on one of my kickaround boxes, and it'll be a lot easier to experiment since I won't have to remember a string of things I gotta type at the -c prompt. :-) -- ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 16: 8:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alice.connect.com.pl (pa18.leszno.sdi.tpnet.pl [213.25.221.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3CB37B59F for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 16:08:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oiram@connect.com.pl) Received: from alice2 (alice-2.connect.com.pl [192.168.0.12]) by alice.connect.com.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA05675 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:08:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oiram@connect.com.pl) Message-ID: <004f01bfe9fa$3faa89a0$0c00a8c0@connect.com.pl> From: "Mariusz Handke" To: Subject: SUBMIT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:06:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2417.2000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG SUBMIT HELP ---=== oiram ===--- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 16:19:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alice.connect.com.pl (pa18.leszno.sdi.tpnet.pl [213.25.221.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1BC37B90E for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 16:19:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oiram@connect.com.pl) Received: from alice2 (alice-2.connect.com.pl [192.168.0.12]) by alice.connect.com.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA05800 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:19:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oiram@connect.com.pl) Message-ID: <00aa01bfe9fb$d0d757e0$0c00a8c0@connect.com.pl> From: "Mariusz Handke" To: Subject: 4.0-STABLE sources/packages Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:17:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2417.2000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hello, i'm looking for a site with sources/packages of 4.0-stable ---=== oiram ===--- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 17:18:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from front001.cluster1.charter.net (24-216-159-200.hsacorp.net [24.216.159.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E42E37B5C3 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 17:18:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from duhring@charter.net) Received: from [24.217.4.31] (HELO dave.uhring.com) by front001.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.2.4) with SMTP id 12975561; Sun, 09 Jul 2000 20:18:31 -0400 From: David Uhring To: "Mariusz Handke" , Subject: Re: 4.0-STABLE sources/packages Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:16:14 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <00aa01bfe9fb$d0d757e0$0c00a8c0@connect.com.pl> In-Reply-To: <00aa01bfe9fb$d0d757e0$0c00a8c0@connect.com.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00070919182901.00503@dave.uhring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 09 Jul 2000, Mariusz Handke wrote: > hello, i'm looking for a site with sources/packages > of 4.0-stable > > ---=== oiram ===--- > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message Try your local source ftp://ftp.pl.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ or if it is unavailable try http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/mirrors-ftp.html/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 18: 5:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (ha1.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A5737B585 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:05:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by mail.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000710010525.JOVI1229.mail.rdc1.il.home.com@math.missouri.edu> for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:05:25 -0700 Message-ID: <39692116.2D5F269@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 20:04:22 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now References: <20000709143129.B20852@pir.net> <20000709132421.B394@dialin-client.earthlink.net> <3968F0E9.C54F08BB@gorean.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doug Barton wrote: > > Peter W. already suggested /usr/local/etc/rc.shutdown (or something to > that effect, I don't remember the name exactly). I would like to see the > shutdown scripts in a totally seperate directory. For those scripts that > work properly for startup and shutdown, hard or soft links can be used to > eliminate wasted space, and control start/stop order. > This is the best idea, because some of us have already switched to this new scheme, and any of the other suggestions would entail us having to switch back resulting in even more confusion. -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith Department of Mathematics, University of Missouri, Columbia, MO 65211 Phone 573-882-4540, fax 573-882-1869 http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen stephen@math.missouri.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 18:24:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (mail2.rdc3.on.home.com [24.2.9.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5CA537C49A for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:24:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cwass99@home.com) Received: from tristan.net ([24.114.108.234]) by mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000710012408.QIDP1114.mail2.rdc3.on.home.com@tristan.net> for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:24:08 -0700 Content-Length: 1791 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 21:16:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Colin To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: natd inconsistencies Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've just finished setting up FreeBSD 4.0R with ipfw and natd and I've noticed either a discrepency between the actual functionality and the man page or a misunderstanding on my part. The man page recommends putting the divert rule as close to the beginning of the rule set as possible, and the default rule sets seem consistent with this. I noticed, though, that if I didn't put the rule "deny ip from 192.168.0.0/24 to any in recv ed1" before the divert rule nothing from my internal network (which just happens to be 192.168.0.0/24) would get through. I assume the prevent-spoofing rules for private networks rules would have the sam e issue depending on the internal network used. I also noticed several other default rules caused some problems. My first thought was that when natd rebuilt the header with the internal network addresses, it still showed as a packet arriving from the external network (which is why I moved the rule). Then I realized that shouldn't matter, as the source address should have been the external host that sent the packet, which could clearly not be in the 192,168.0.0/24 network (unless there are some serious router issues out there ;) I honestly have no clue why this would be the case. I'm working on a new rule set that seems both secure and reasonable for my type of situation which I assume will become ever more common. A private network running through a firewall and natd via [cable modem|*dsl] to the internet. The simple ruleset was completely unuseable (I couldn't connect doodle to squirt from the internal network) and the open approach was just silly. I'll post it here for comment in a day or two. In the interim, any comments on why natd and ipfw don't work the intuitive way would be appreciated. Cheers, Colin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 19: 1:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mostgraveconcern.com (mostgraveconcern.com [216.82.145.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 907DE37C25D for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:01:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@mostgraveconcern.com) Received: from danco (danco.mostgraveconcern.com [10.0.0.2]) by mostgraveconcern.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA09305; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:00:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@mostgraveconcern.com) Message-ID: <00be01bfea12$b09db660$0200000a@danco> Reply-To: "Dan O'Connor" From: "Dan O'Connor" To: , Subject: Re: My apologies. Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:00:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >It has been brought to my attention that a blank email was sent to this >list containing nothing more than my signature earlier on today. I >would like to stress that this was NOT spam, and was in fact an error on >my behalf during an attempt to subscribe to the list. >I apologize for any upset my earlier blunder caused. Apology accepted. It was a quick read, anyway :-) --Dan -- Dan O'Connor On Matters of Most Grave Concern http://www.mostgraveconcern.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 19:21: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hecky.it.northwestern.edu (hecky.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F004437C2E5 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:21:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djkanter@northwestern.edu) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by hecky.it.northwestern.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA05687 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:20:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (dika-12-028128.nuts.nwu.edu [165.124.28.128]) by hecky.acns.nwu.edu via smap (V2.0) id xmaa05618; Sun, 9 Jul 00 21:20:27 -0500 Received: (from david@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA37875 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:19:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from david) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:19:07 -0500 From: "David J. Kanter" To: FreeBSD stable Subject: /etc/defaults/make.conf and /etc/make.conf Message-ID: <20000709211907.A37861@localhost.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD stable Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i X-Organization: Northwestern University X-Operating-System: FreeBSD localhost.localdomain 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm a bit confused with make.conf now that I've moved to 4.0: Do I add my customizations to /etc/make.conf, or do I edit /etc/defaults/make.conf? When I started using FreeBSD (3.4), anything in /etc/defaults was not supposed to be touched. All the overriding was done in /etc (e.g., /etc/rc.conf). Just wondering if this still holds for make.conf. -- David Kanter djkanter@northwestern.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 19:28:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragonstar.dhs.org (dsl-028-a.resnet.purdue.edu [128.211.161.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA37737C2E5 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:28:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonsmith@dragonstar.dhs.org) Received: from localhost (jonsmith@localhost) by dragonstar.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA95087 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:28:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jonsmith@dragonstar.dhs.org) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:28:14 -0500 (EST) From: Jonathan Smith To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Previous Message on /etc/defaults Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I, personally, have no need of /etc/defaults and typically disable it, anyway. Since the whole thing is environment variables, why not make /etc/rc.conf and /etc/make.conf _include_ the ones in /etc/defaults (first thing in the file) (if they exist, obviously)? At which point, those of us who don't use the features [of the defaults] can simply copy the onese in the defaults directory over the ones in /etc (thus putting the entire file in completely AND removing the inclusion of /etc/defualts files... This, also, enforces the idea that defaults are defaults and the ones in the etc directory are the final authority. Just an idea :) -- Close your eyes. Now forget what you see. What do you feel? -- My heart. -- Come here. -- Your heart. -- See? We're exactly the same. Jon Smith -- Senior Math Major @ Purdue To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 19:44: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mostgraveconcern.com (mostgraveconcern.com [216.82.145.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8D237BC8E for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:44:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@mostgraveconcern.com) Received: from danco (danco.mostgraveconcern.com [10.0.0.2]) by mostgraveconcern.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA09444; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:44:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@mostgraveconcern.com) Message-ID: <036701bfea18$b49d8500$0200000a@danco> Reply-To: "Dan O'Connor" From: "Dan O'Connor" To: "David J. Kanter" , "FreeBSD stable" Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/make.conf and /etc/make.conf Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:44:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I'm a bit confused with make.conf now that I've moved to 4.0: Do I add my >customizations to /etc/make.conf, or do I edit /etc/defaults/make.conf? > >When I started using FreeBSD (3.4), anything in /etc/defaults was not >supposed to be touched. All the overriding was done in /etc (e.g., >/etc/rc.conf). Just wondering if this still holds for make.conf. Yes. Add your customizations to /etc/make.conf... --Dan -- Dan O'Connor On Matters of Most Grave Concern http://www.mostgraveconcern.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 19:48: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mostgraveconcern.com (mostgraveconcern.com [216.82.145.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E45D37B5F2 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:48:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@mostgraveconcern.com) Received: from danco (danco.mostgraveconcern.com [10.0.0.2]) by mostgraveconcern.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA09460; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:47:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@mostgraveconcern.com) Message-ID: <036c01bfea19$417daae0$0200000a@danco> Reply-To: "Dan O'Connor" From: "Dan O'Connor" To: "Jonathan Smith" , Subject: Re: Previous Message on /etc/defaults Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:47:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I, personally, have no need of /etc/defaults and typically disable it, >anyway. > >Since the whole thing is environment variables, why not make /etc/rc.conf >and /etc/make.conf _include_ the ones in /etc/defaults (first thing in the >file) (if they exist, obviously)? At which point, those of us who don't >use the features [of the defaults] can simply copy the onese in the >defaults directory over the ones in /etc (thus putting the entire file in >completely AND removing the inclusion of /etc/defualts files... This, >also, enforces the idea that defaults are defaults and the ones in the etc >directory are the final authority. > >Just an idea :) My $0.02: I thinks it's a good idea for /etc/defaults/whatever to set the defaults and then load any customizations for /etc/whatever. Personally, I *like* having small /etc/whatever files with just my entries to worry about. And if we call defaults from the /etc copy, you have to first have an /etc version, or else the defaults don't get loaded at all... --Dan -- Dan O'Connor On Matters of Most Grave Concern http://www.mostgraveconcern.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 19:56:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragonstar.dhs.org (dsl-028-a.resnet.purdue.edu [128.211.161.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B9A37B6D1 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:56:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonsmith@dragonstar.dhs.org) Received: from localhost (jonsmith@localhost) by dragonstar.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA95136; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:56:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jonsmith@dragonstar.dhs.org) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:56:27 -0500 (EST) From: Jonathan Smith To: "Dan O'Connor" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Previous Message on /etc/defaults In-Reply-To: <036c01bfea19$417daae0$0200000a@danco> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > My $0.02: I thinks it's a good idea for /etc/defaults/whatever to set the > defaults and then load any customizations for /etc/whatever. Personally, I > *like* having small /etc/whatever files with just my entries to worry about. > And if we call defaults from the /etc copy, you have to first have an /etc > version, or else the defaults don't get loaded at all... *grins* That's your choice, I'm not saying to take it away from you. We already have to have an etc version, either that or sysinstall generates it. Either way, it gets created. I started with slackware almost 4 years ago.... I personally had a nightmare getting things done in the sysv way of things, all the various config files just get the system started. Then, one of the local 'experts' had me try FreeBSD. (This was in the 2.2.x days ;) I had one main config file that I had to edit that listed nearly [if not] all of the main options to get my machine up. I think that was the first (and one of the biggest) reasons I stayed with FreeBSD. Since then, I've been frustrated by the defaults directory; however, I do realise it's value in large networks. I don't want that removed, but I think it'd be nice to be able to remove it more easily. As I said, my suggestion also makes it quite obvious that the defaults are just that. j. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 20:13: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-177-51.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.177.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9DBD37BB96 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:13:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01335; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:21:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200007100321.UAA01335@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: David Uhring Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Synching my src... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 09 Jul 2000 05:59:30 CDT." <00070906005000.00646@dave.uhring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 20:21:07 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > This is a pet peeve of mine. Freebsd-stable is supposed to be the mailing > > list that is required reading for anyone tracking stable, where all useful > > information related to tracking stable is to be found. > > > > However, the list is increasingly such a high-volume, low signal-to-noise-ratio > > chatfest that it no longer serves its intended purpose for even moderately > > busy people. A prohibitive amount of time is required to sort out what is > > relevant from what isn't. ... > I'll add my second to that proposal. This is just the sort of chitchat that you're both supposedly opposed to. And now you've gone and started another lengthy meta-thread about list usage (which anyone with half a clue could have told you was pointless) to further reduce the signal-to-noise ratio. Surely not what you really intended. 8) -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 20:20:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (ha1.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5022B37BC27 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:20:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by mail.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000710032051.NLUV1229.mail.rdc1.il.home.com@math.missouri.edu> for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:20:51 -0700 Message-ID: <396940D4.5CABAC4B@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 22:19:48 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Synching my src... References: <200007100321.UAA01335@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > > > This is a pet peeve of mine. Freebsd-stable is supposed to be the mailing > > > list that is required reading for anyone tracking stable, where all useful > > > information related to tracking stable is to be found. > > > > > > However, the list is increasingly such a high-volume, low signal-to-noise-ratio > > > chatfest that it no longer serves its intended purpose for even moderately > > > busy people. A prohibitive amount of time is required to sort out what is > > > relevant from what isn't. > ... > > I'll add my second to that proposal. > > This is just the sort of chitchat that you're both supposedly opposed to. > And now you've gone and started another lengthy meta-thread about list > usage (which anyone with half a clue could have told you was pointless) > to further reduce the signal-to-noise ratio. > Well, I would think that this one extra thread they have started will change the signal to noise ratio from 1:10 to 1:10.01, hardy making a dent in the amount of noise. But if by some small chance someone takes their idea seriously, well, I think it would have been the small amount of extra noise. -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith Department of Mathematics, University of Missouri, Columbia, MO 65211 Phone 573-882-4540, fax 573-882-1869 http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen stephen@math.missouri.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 20:41:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2670137C3D1 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:41:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 13BUS2-0000pP-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2000 23:41:46 -0400 Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:41:45 -0400 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Support for the sandisk imagemate parallel ? Message-ID: <20000709234145.S20852@pir.net> Reply-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i X-fish: < X-Copy-On-Listmail: Please do NOT Cc: me on list mail. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG http://www.sandisk.com/cons/imagemate.htm any support for this these days ? (I'm expecting not, but worth asking). P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 20:49:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE0837C3D5 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:49:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA35726 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:49:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:49:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Subject basically says it all. "make buildkernel KERNEL=" and "make installkernel KERNEL=" (or set KERNEL in /etc/make.conf or the environment, where KERNEL is the name of the kernel to build (GENERIC, etc)) are what you should always be using to build your kernels, unless you know what you're doing. This will automagically use the correct build tools for the job, and will solve problems like the one a lot of people are seeing since the binutils upgrade. Summary of Officially Sanctioned Update Procedure: make buildworld make buildkernel make installkernel shutdown (drop into single-user mode) make installworld mergemaster reboot Depart from the above procedure at your own risk. Thankyou :-) Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 21:13:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from public.bta.net.cn (public.bta.net.cn [202.96.0.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0B737B730; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:13:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robinson@netrinsics.com) Received: from netrinsics.com ([202.108.133.11]) by public.bta.net.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12755; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:10:11 +0800 (GMT) Received: (from robinson@localhost) by netrinsics.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16592; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:13:56 +0800 (+0800) (envelope-from robinson) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:13:56 +0800 (+0800) From: Michael Robinson Message-Id: <200007100413.MAA16592@netrinsics.com> To: duhring@charter.net, msmith@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Synching my src... Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200007100321.UAA01335@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith writes: >This is just the sort of chitchat that you're both supposedly opposed to. I'm not opposed to chitchat. I think it's great that all the FreeBSD followers have a forum to hang out and socialize about uptimes and their old hardware and whatnot. And freebsd-stable serves that purpose quite well. However, freebsd-stable is not an effective forum for communicating important, timely product information from people who know it to people who need it. Nor will it ever be. >And now you've gone and started another lengthy meta-thread about list >usage (which anyone with half a clue could have told you was pointless) >to further reduce the signal-to-noise ratio. Of course it's pointless. That's precisely why I did deliberately did *not* propose to increase the signal-to-noise ratio of freebsd-stable. >Surely not what you really intended. 8) What I intended was that a new, low-traffic list be created with a signal-to-noise ratio enforced by administrative fiat. The response to this proposal has so far been overwhelmingly positive. 90% of FreeBSD administrators could get 90% of the information they need to track stable with less than 10% of the messages they now must read. It's unreasonable not to optimize this problem. -Michael Robinson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 21:33:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26B837C473; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:33:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA18412; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:33:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-84.max1.wa.cyberlynk.net(207.227.118.84) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma018405; Sun Jul 9 23:33:29 2000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20000709232757.00b1e6a0@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 23:32:24 -0500 To: Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 08:49 PM 7/9/00 -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote: >Subject basically says it all. "make buildkernel KERNEL=" and >"make installkernel KERNEL=" (or set KERNEL in /etc/make.conf or >the environment, where KERNEL is the name of the kernel to build (GENERIC, >etc)) are what you should always be using to build your kernels, unless >you know what you're doing. > >This will automagically use the correct build tools for the job, and will >solve problems like the one a lot of people are seeing since the binutils >upgrade. > >Summary of Officially Sanctioned Update Procedure: > >make buildworld >make buildkernel >make installkernel >shutdown (drop into single-user mode) >make installworld >mergemaster cd /dev sh MAKEDEV Or is this the reason for the NO_MAKEDEV in make.conf. >reboot > >Depart from the above procedure at your own risk. Thankyou :-) Oh goody! ;) Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 21:35:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C18937C49B; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:35:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA44583; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:35:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:35:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.20000709232757.00b1e6a0@207.227.119.2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > Or is this the reason for the NO_MAKEDEV in make.conf. Yes, I believe so. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 21:37: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (ha1.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF04F37C497; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:36:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by mail.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000710043656.PNVP1229.mail.rdc1.il.home.com@math.missouri.edu>; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:36:56 -0700 Message-ID: <396952A9.231AC2EC@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 23:35:53 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway wrote: > > Summary of Officially Sanctioned Update Procedure: > > make buildworld > make buildkernel > make installkernel > shutdown (drop into single-user mode) > make installworld > mergemaster > reboot > The problem I have with make installkernel is the following: if my kernel is called XXX, then the name of the new kernel is /XXX, not /kernel. So one would have to add the instructions: cd / chflags noschg XXX mv XXX kernel chflags schg XXX This seems quite a bit of extra instructions. Is this what is intended? -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith Department of Mathematics, University of Missouri, Columbia, MO 65211 Phone 573-882-4540, fax 573-882-1869 http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen stephen@math.missouri.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 21:43:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9E537C497; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:43:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bsdx@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03439; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 00:43:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 00:43:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Cc: Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels In-Reply-To: <396952A9.231AC2EC@math.missouri.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stick kernel="/XXX" in /boot/loader.conf On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >Kris Kennaway wrote: >> >> Summary of Officially Sanctioned Update Procedure: >> >> make buildworld >> make buildkernel >> make installkernel >> shutdown (drop into single-user mode) >> make installworld >> mergemaster >> reboot >> > >The problem I have with make installkernel is the following: >if my kernel is called XXX, then the name of the new kernel is >/XXX, not /kernel. > >So one would have to add the instructions: > >cd / >chflags noschg XXX >mv XXX kernel >chflags schg XXX > >This seems quite a bit of extra instructions. Is this what is intended? > > >-- >Stephen Montgomery-Smith >Department of Mathematics, University of Missouri, Columbia, MO 65211 >Phone 573-882-4540, fax 573-882-1869 >http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen stephen@math.missouri.edu > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 22: 5:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (ha1.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5351337C492 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:05:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by mail.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000710050541.QFXN1229.mail.rdc1.il.home.com@math.missouri.edu> for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:05:41 -0700 Message-ID: <39695966.520FD0B2@math.missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 00:04:38 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Adam wrote: > > Stick kernel="/XXX" in /boot/loader.conf > OK, this had better be documented when the make installkernel is documented. -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith Department of Mathematics, University of Missouri, Columbia, MO 65211 Phone 573-882-4540, fax 573-882-1869 http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen stephen@math.missouri.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 22: 5:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (ha1.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27EA937C4B9; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:05:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by mail.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000710050542.QFXT1229.mail.rdc1.il.home.com@math.missouri.edu>; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:05:42 -0700 Message-ID: <39695967.1B0D3D82@math.missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 00:04:39 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I notice that if I have a line: KERNEL=XXX in /etc/make.conf, then make installkernel KERNEL=YYY actually makes XXX. Shouldn't the kernel=YYY override the kernel=XXX in this case? Stephen -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith Department of Mathematics, University of Missouri, Columbia, MO 65211 Phone 573-882-4540, fax 573-882-1869 http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen stephen@math.missouri.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 9 22:34:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B89237B705; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:34:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bandix@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03835; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:33:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:33:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: Michael Robinson Cc: duhring@charter.net, msmith@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-STABLE Subject: Re: Synching my src... In-Reply-To: <200007100413.MAA16592@netrinsics.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Michael Robinson wrote: >Mike Smith writes: >>This is just the sort of chitchat that you're both supposedly opposed to. > >I'm not opposed to chitchat. I think it's great that all the FreeBSD >followers have a forum to hang out and socialize about uptimes and their old >hardware and whatnot. > >And freebsd-stable serves that purpose quite well. Perhaps you should _READ_ the mailing list charters. freebsd-stable is not an appropriate place for chitchat, that is what freebsd-chat is for. This is blatantly obvious to most reading the list, but I must clarify it for those not in the know. I would hate for them to take your statement as an endorsement of chitchat on the freebsd-stable mailing list. If you feel that people are chatting beyond the bounds of the mailing list it is your duty as a responsible member of the FreeBSD community to bring it to their attention. If you feel it would embarass them, it is your option to notify them offlist that they have overstepped the scope of the mailing list charters. If they continue with their behavior you should consult the handbook and notify the appropriate people to get the situation escalated. Otherwise, let's all just get along. Brandon D. Valentine -- bandix at looksharp.net | bandix at structbio.vanderbilt.edu "Truth suffers from too much analysis." -- Ancient Fremen Saying To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 0:32:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from citadel.cequrux.com (citadel.cequrux.com [192.96.22.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A14B37C4C8 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 00:32:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gram@cequrux.com) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by citadel.cequrux.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) id JAA25191; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:32:25 +0200 (SAST) Received: by citadel.cequrux.com via recvmail id 25109; Mon Jul 10 09:31:22 2000 Message-ID: <0d9c406d6dd28cf2cd8e867bf7646312@cequrux.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:33:28 +0200 From: Graham Wheeler Organization: Cequrux Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jacques A. Vidrine" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Any chance of changing struct member names in nameser.h? References: <200007071320.JAA86645@lakes.dignus.com> <003d01bfe81e$553eb8a0$a44b8486@jking> <20000707075545.E25571@fw.wintelcom.net> <20000707112602.A39538@bone.nectar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jacques A. Vidrine" wrote: > > BIND 8 calls the member `ns_class', not `class'. As was mentioned a bit earlier in the thread, this is in the FreeBSD KAME IPv6 nameser.h. I've reported it to the KAME team and requested that it be changed but got no response out of them. -- Dr Graham Wheeler E-mail: gram@cequrux.com Director, Research and Development WWW: http://www.cequrux.com CEQURUX Technologies Phone: +27(21)423-6065 Firewalls/VPN Specialists Fax: +27(21)424-3656 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 0:35:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from goliath.siemens.de (goliath.siemens.de [194.138.37.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 959FF37B7A7; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 00:35:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ust@cert.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: ust@cert.siemens.de (at relayer goliath.siemens.de) Received: from mail1.siemens.de (mail1.siemens.de [139.23.33.14]) by goliath.siemens.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6A7ZKB22566; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:35:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mars.cert.siemens.de (ust.mchp.siemens.de [139.23.201.17]) by mail1.siemens.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6A7ZJh22175; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:35:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alaska.cert.siemens.de (reims.mchp.siemens.de [139.23.202.134]) by mars.cert.siemens.de (8.10.2/8.10.2/Siemens CERT [ $Revision: 1.8 ]) with ESMTP id e6A7ZJX53579; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:35:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ust@localhost) by alaska.cert.siemens.de (8.10.2/8.10.2/alaska [ $Revision: 1.4 ]) id e6A7ZJv52969; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:35:19 GMT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:35:19 +0200 From: Udo Schweigert To: Kris Kennaway Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Message-ID: <20000710093519.A52878@alaska.cert.siemens.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from kris@FreeBSD.ORG on Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 08:49:50PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 20:49:50 -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote: > Subject basically says it all. "make buildkernel KERNEL=" and > "make installkernel KERNEL=" (or set KERNEL in /etc/make.conf or > the environment, where KERNEL is the name of the kernel to build (GENERIC, > etc)) are what you should always be using to build your kernels, unless > you know what you're doing. > I found it was a good idea (by experience), to always have an up to date version of the GENERIC-kernel available in /. Since it is possible to build two kernel by saying # make buildkernel KERNEL="mykernel GENERIC" it would also be nice to have the possibility to install both new kernels to / (instead of only installing the first) by saying # make installkernel KERNEL="mykernel GENERIC" Attached you find a patch to do this. Best regards. -- Udo Schweigert, Siemens AG | Voice : +49 89 636 42170 ZT IK 3, Siemens CERT | Fax : +49 89 636 41166 D-81730 Muenchen / Germany | email : ust@cert.siemens.de PGP-2/5 fingerprint | D8 A5 DF 34 EC 87 E8 C6 E2 26 C4 D0 EE 80 36 B2 --- Makefile.inc1.orig Sun Jul 2 13:00:19 2000 +++ Makefile.inc1 Mon Jul 10 09:25:36 2000 @@ -356,13 +356,11 @@ .endif BUILDKERNELS= -INSTALLKERNEL= +INSTALLKERNELS= .for _kernel in ${KERNEL} .if exists(${KRNLCONFDIR}/${_kernel}) BUILDKERNELS+= ${_kernel} -.if empty(INSTALLKERNEL) -INSTALLKERNEL= ${_kernel} -.endif +INSTALLKERNELS+= ${_kernel} .endif .endfor @@ -393,12 +391,14 @@ # # installkernel # -# Install the kernel defined by INSTALLKERNEL +# Install the kernels defined by INSTALLKERNELS # installkernel: - cd ${KRNLOBJDIR}/${INSTALLKERNEL}; \ - ${IMAKEENV} MACHINE=${MACHINE} KERNEL=${INSTALLKERNEL} \ +.for _kernel in ${INSTALLKERNELS} + cd ${KRNLOBJDIR}/${_kernel}; \ + ${IMAKEENV} MACHINE=${MACHINE} KERNEL=${_kernel} \ ${MAKE} install +.endfor # # update To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 1: 7:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from public.bta.net.cn (public.bta.net.cn [202.96.0.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A541537B5EA for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:07:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robinson@netrinsics.com) Received: from netrinsics.com ([202.108.133.11]) by public.bta.net.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28523 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:03:51 +0800 (GMT) Received: (from robinson@localhost) by netrinsics.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17199; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:07:48 +0800 (+0800) (envelope-from robinson) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:07:48 +0800 (+0800) From: Michael Robinson Message-Id: <200007100807.QAA17199@netrinsics.com> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Synching my src... In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Brandon D. Valentine" writes: >Perhaps you should _READ_ the mailing list charters. And fine charters they are, indeed. Very logical. Very organized. I love the theory. However, I must concede the sociological reality that trying to get people not to chitchat in freebsd-stable is like trying to prohibit personal conversations at work. It's unenforceable, even if there were an authority motivated to enforce it, which there isn't. It is reasonable, though, to prohibit people from posting personal messages on the company bulletin board, and I'm merely proposing the establishment of an analogous device. -Michael Robinson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 1:32:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kiew.egd.igd.fhg.de (kiew.egd.igd.fhg.de [192.102.170.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B4537C51D for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:32:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from runge@rostock.zgdv.de) Received: from rostock.zgdv.de (penguin.egd.igd.fhg.de [192.102.170.145]) by kiew.egd.igd.fhg.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA2B4F for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:32:33 +0200 Message-ID: <39698A38.CF3E4ED0@rostock.zgdv.de> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:32:56 +0200 From: Thomas Runge X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Error compiling kernel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just supped RELENG_4 from cvsup2.de.FreeBSD.org and got this while compiling the kernel: cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf -fno-builtin -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 ../../i386/i386/bioscall.s /tmp/ccJv5579.s: Assembler messages: /tmp/ccJv5579.s:775: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 instruction /tmp/ccJv5579.s:840: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 instruction *** Error code 1 bioscall.s version: 1.6.2.1 2000/07/07 00:38:46 -- Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 1:46:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7AB37C474 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:46:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id BAA84447; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:46:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:46:11 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Thomas Runge Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Error compiling kernel Message-ID: <20000710014611.B84315@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <39698A38.CF3E4ED0@rostock.zgdv.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <39698A38.CF3E4ED0@rostock.zgdv.de>; from runge@rostock.zgdv.de on Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 10:32:56AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 10:32:56AM +0200, Thomas Runge wrote: > Just supped RELENG_4 from cvsup2.de.FreeBSD.org and got this > while compiling the kernel: Sigh. You need to stop using RELENG_4 (ie, 4-STABLE) and stick with full releases. Either that or learn to _READ_ this mailing list for known issues before sending mail off. Please don't go somewhere (ie, running -STABLE) before you are ready for it. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 3:30:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.comnet.bg (ns.comnet.bg [212.5.158.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA07537B5E2 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 03:30:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Hristo@BGINFO.NET) Received: from BGINFO.NET (rojen.comnet.bg [212.5.158.12]) by ns.comnet.bg (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6AAXh911005 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:33:45 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <3969A4FC.9D74A1D0@BGINFO.NET> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:27:08 +0300 From: Hristo Grigorov X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: bg, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: SYN+FIN counter Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------BBF9FDD81C6CCBCED3FDA053" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BBF9FDD81C6CCBCED3FDA053 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, is it a good idea to have a counter for drop SYN+FIN actions available ? I think it's trivial to implement it but I am not sure... :) --------------BBF9FDD81C6CCBCED3FDA053 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=koi8-r; name="Hristo.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Hristo Grigorov Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Hristo.vcf" begin:vcard n:Grigorov;Hristo tel;home:+359 56 685051 tel;work:+359 56 840644 x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;Slaveikov 16-3-2;Burgas;;8000;BULGARIA version:2.1 email;internet:Hristo@BGINFO.NET title: note;quoted-printable:Occupation info might not be valid=0D=0Aalready! x-mozilla-cpt:;-15040 fn:Hristo Grigorov end:vcard --------------BBF9FDD81C6CCBCED3FDA053-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 5: 0:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pobox.rwwa.com (pobox.rwwa.com [216.254.75.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F9137B720 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 05:00:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from witr@rwwa.com) Received: from rwwa.com (spooky.rwwa.com [192.124.97.13]) by pobox.rwwa.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09866; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:58:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from witr@rwwa.com) Message-Id: <200007101158.HAA09866@pobox.rwwa.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Brooks Davis Cc: Roelof Osinga , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DHCP problem with 4.0 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 07 Jul 2000 17:30:11 PDT." <20000707173011.A3544@orion.ac.hmc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:58:19 -0400 From: Robert Withrow Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG brooks@one-eyed-alien.net said: :-Don't set any other network related things in the config file unless :-you're DHCP server is misconfigured and doesn't tell you about them. If you use DHCP with PCMCIA cards, the hostname (and other stuff) doesn't get set until you get your address much later in the startup sequence. Is there (or has anyone invented) a way to make pcmcia DHCP happen at the same time normal interface DHCP happens? Or is there some other way of dealing with this that I've missed? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, R.W. Withrow Associates, Swampscott MA, witr@rwwa.COM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 5: 9:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pawn.primelocation.net (pawn.primelocation.net [205.161.238.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B34637C6B1; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 05:09:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jedgar@fxp.org) Received: from earth.causticlabs.com (oca-p1-27.hitter.net [207.192.76.27]) by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37CD9B1C; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:09:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chris D. Faulhaber" X-Sender: jedgar@earth.causticlabs.com To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Cc: Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels In-Reply-To: <39695967.1B0D3D82@math.missouri.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > I notice that if I have a line: > > KERNEL=XXX > > in /etc/make.conf, then > > make installkernel KERNEL=YYY > > actually makes XXX. Shouldn't the kernel=YYY override the > kernel=XXX in this case? > No, /etc/make.conf overrides all (unless you had 'KERNEL?=XXX' in /etc/make.conf). ----- Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 5:21:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [130.155.191.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5372C37B757 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 05:21:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marka@nominum.com) Received: from nominum.com (localhost.dv.isc.org [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA89516 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:20:46 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from marka@nominum.com) Message-Id: <200007101220.WAA89516@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: stable@freebsd.org From: Mark.Andrews@nominum.com Subject: Bad summary dates on searching mail archives Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:20:46 +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I entered the following query into the search critera with only stable checked. "operands and given and match and known and instruction" The returned results are at the end. Examining the dates in the messages it looks like the summary date only changes when the message date is further in the past. So the only messages with correct summary dates are 1, 2 and 10. If we don't want a lot of repeat queries on current we need to working seaches so that you can actually see the current items. It would also help if you could sort by date but just getting the summaries correct would help. Mark The archive freebsd-stable contains the following items relevant to `operands and given and match and known and instruction': 1.Gustavo Vi compiling 4Stable error Score: 306; Lines: 49; -7-2000; Archive: freebsd-stable 2.Alfred Per Re: Reboot during make world Score: 306; Lines: 72; 01-Jun-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable 3.Sean Lutne Re: make: don't know how to make dwarf1.c. Stop Score: 302; Lines: 107; 01-Jun-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable 4.Warner Los Re: make: don't know how to make dwarf1.c. Stop Score: 297; Lines: 57; 01-Jun-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable 5."David O'B Re: ** HEADS UP ** builds will be broken for a few hours Score: 296; Lines: 56; 01-Jun-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable 6."Corey G." Re: compiling 4Stable error Score: 288; Lines: 71; 01-Jun-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable 7.Wilko Bult Re: make: don't know how to make dwarf1.c. Stop Score: 286; Lines: 99; 01-Jun-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable 8.Kent Stewa Re: ** HEADS UP ** builds will be broken for a few hours Score: 270; Lines: 70; 01-Jun-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable 9."Chris D. Re: make: don't know how to make dwarf1.c. Stop Score: 269; Lines: 83; 01-Jun-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable 10."David Sch Reboot during make world Score: 266; Lines: 97; 31-May-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable 11.Kent Stewa Re: ** HEADS UP ** builds will be broken for a few hours Score: 255; Lines: 86; 31-May-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable 12.Kent Stewa Re: make: don't know how to make dwarf1.c. Stop Score: 249; Lines: 86; 31-May-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable 13.Wilko Bult Re: make: don't know how to make dwarf1.c. Stop Score: 240; Lines: 92; 31-May-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable 14.Kent Stewa Re: make: don't know how to make dwarf1.c. Stop Score: 233; Lines: 120; 31-May-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable 15.Lint^^
  • ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 05:47:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lowell@world.std.com) Received: from world.std.com (lowell@world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29029 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lowell@localhost) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19607; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:47:38 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Minor issues after upgrade to 4.0-Stable References: <20000709115754.A289@localhost.localdomain> <3968B580.F6B1A5@3-cities.com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 10 Jul 2000 08:47:38 -0400 In-Reply-To: Kent Stewart's message of Sun, 09 Jul 2000 10:25:20 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 47 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kent Stewart writes: > "David J. Kanter" wrote: > > > > My upgrade from 3.5 to 4.0 was a lot easier than I thought, but now I've got > > some minor annoyances that I don't know how to fix. > > > > 1. Xfstt (linux) isn't working properly. The binary is running, as shown by > > ps, but I have no access to TrueType fonts. All the fonts are on my Windows > > partition. It worked fine before, and I haven't changed a thing in the > > start-up script or /etc/XF86Config. > > > > 2. WindowMaker's wmnet isn't working right. I have wmnet -i tun0 start up > > automatically, but it starts up with the ppp0 device. And, none of my > > tunneling devices show up if I cycle through all the devices on the wmnet > > app. If I type, at the shell, wmnet -i tun0, it'll show up. All the other > > devices show up, like faith, etc., too. I have never used or installed either of these programs, but they might need to be rebuilt because of changes elsewhere in the system. The latter, in particular, sounds like it may be depending on devices in the kernel... > > 3. How do I get the new docs to install? I cvsup'ed the doc-all branch, and > > assumed they would be updated automatically. But they weren't. What do I do > > to get these updated? > > You have to "cd /usr/doc" and do a make and make install. You need the > docproj installed before it will work. What I did then is add a folder > to my KDE desktop with a link to /usr/doc//articles and > books. I build the docs from source myself, but that's considerable overkill unless you're planning to submit changes to the docs. [Note that Kent left out the step of actually downloading -- presumably via cvsup -- the /usr/doc tree itself.] An easier approach would be to just grab the whole doc distribution from a recent snapshot (e.g., releng4.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/{whatever}/doc/), and install that. > > 4. /var/cron/log moved to /var/log/cron, so I just did a cp -Rp. Does that > > sound OK? Sure. I just started the log over from scratch, myself... Be well. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 5:53:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from survis.surfnet.nl (survis.surfnet.nl [192.87.108.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7BC37B68C for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 05:53:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Ronald.vanderPol@surfnet.nl) Received: from [192.87.111.36] (helo=[192.87.111.36]) by survis.surfnet.nl with ESMTP (exPP) id 13Bd3q-0002oU-00; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:53:22 +0200 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:53:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Ronald.vanderPol@surfnet.nl X-Sender: rvdp@bones.ncc-1701.surfnet.nl To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, snap-users@kame.net Subject: which version of KAME in FreeBSD 4.1? Message-ID: Organisation: SURFnet bv Address: "Radboudburcht, P.O. Box 19035, 3501 DA Utrecht, NL" Phone: +31 302 305 305 Telefax: +31 302 305 329 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Which "version" of KAME will be included in FreeBSD 4.1? Is it still expected to be released on July 15? rvdp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 6:46:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE9237C148; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 06:46:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p18-dn03kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [210.232.224.147]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id WAA03914; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:45:43 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3969CF3A.29207364@newsguy.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:27:22 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Cc: Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels References: <396952A9.231AC2EC@math.missouri.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > > Summary of Officially Sanctioned Update Procedure: > > > > make buildworld > > make buildkernel > > make installkernel > > shutdown (drop into single-user mode) > > make installworld > > mergemaster > > reboot > > > > The problem I have with make installkernel is the following: > if my kernel is called XXX, then the name of the new kernel is > /XXX, not /kernel. > > So one would have to add the instructions: > > cd / > chflags noschg XXX > mv XXX kernel > chflags schg XXX > > This seems quite a bit of extra instructions. Is this what is intended? You can edit /boot/loader.conf and add a line like this: kernel="XXX" This way, XXX will be loaded instead of "kernel". -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@the.great.underground.bsdconpiracy.org _DES: The Book of Bruce has only one sentence in it, and it says "the actual directives of my cult are left as an exercise for the reader. Good luck." jkh: does it really include the 'good luck' part? EE: OK, I made that part up. EE: I figured it should sound a bit more cheery than how Bruce initially dictated it to me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 6:55:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wysoft.tzo.com (c481444-a.bremtn1.wa.home.com [24.12.235.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4CE37BBFC; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 06:55:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wysoft@wysoft.tzo.com) Received: from localhost (wysoft@localhost) by wysoft.tzo.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6ACGHj01705; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 05:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 05:16:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Wyman To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: Stephen Montgomery-Smith , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels In-Reply-To: <3969CF3A.29207364@newsguy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG With all this effort of editing files, is it really too much to move the built kernel file and change file/schg flags? Maybe a "make activekernel=XXX YYY" could make the appropriate changes to kernel XXX and move it to /YYY as the active boot kernel. Just a quick thought. On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > > > Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > > > > Summary of Officially Sanctioned Update Procedure: > > > > > > make buildworld > > > make buildkernel > > > make installkernel > > > shutdown (drop into single-user mode) > > > make installworld > > > mergemaster > > > reboot > > > > > > > The problem I have with make installkernel is the following: > > if my kernel is called XXX, then the name of the new kernel is > > /XXX, not /kernel. > > > > So one would have to add the instructions: > > > > cd / > > chflags noschg XXX > > mv XXX kernel > > chflags schg XXX > > > > This seems quite a bit of extra instructions. Is this what is intended? > > You can edit /boot/loader.conf and add a line like this: > > kernel="XXX" > > This way, XXX will be loaded instead of "kernel". > > -- > Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) > dcs@newsguy.com > dcs@freebsd.org > capo@the.great.underground.bsdconpiracy.org > > _DES: The Book of Bruce has only one sentence in it, and it says > "the actual directives of my cult are left as an exercise for the > reader. Good luck." > jkh: does it really include the 'good luck' part? > EE: OK, I made that part up. > EE: I figured it should sound a bit more cheery than how Bruce > initially dictated it to me. > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 7: 5: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kci.kciLink.com (kci.kciLink.com [204.117.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74EDC37B53A; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:04:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: from onceler.kcilink.com (onceler.kciLink.com [204.117.82.2]) by kci.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFCF0E8D1; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from khera@localhost) by onceler.kcilink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14809; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:04:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from khera@kci.kcilink.com) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:04:53 -0400 (EDT) To: Kris Kennaway Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 9) "Canyonlands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "KK" == Kris Kennaway writes: KK> Subject basically says it all. "make buildkernel KERNEL=" and KK> "make installkernel KERNEL=" (or set KERNEL in /etc/make.conf or KK> the environment, where KERNEL is the name of the kernel to build (GENERIC, KK> etc)) are what you should always be using to build your kernels, unless KK> you know what you're doing. So you're saying that even after upgrading from 3.4 to 4.0 you should use make buildkernel? That seems counter to what has been discussed before, and is way non-BSD-ish. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera@kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-301-545-6996 GPG & MIME spoken here http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 7:13:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wysoft.tzo.com (c481444-a.bremtn1.wa.home.com [24.12.235.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4348A37B537; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:13:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wysoft@wysoft.tzo.com) Received: from localhost (wysoft@localhost) by wysoft.tzo.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6ACYBU01738; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 05:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 05:34:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Wyman To: Vivek Khera Cc: Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Vivek Khera wrote: > >>>>> "KK" == Kris Kennaway writes: > > KK> Subject basically says it all. "make buildkernel KERNEL=" and > KK> "make installkernel KERNEL=" (or set KERNEL in /etc/make.conf or > KK> the environment, where KERNEL is the name of the kernel to build (GENERIC, > KK> etc)) are what you should always be using to build your kernels, unless > KK> you know what you're doing. > > So you're saying that even after upgrading from 3.4 to 4.0 you should > use make buildkernel? That seems counter to what has been discussed > before, and is way non-BSD-ish. The buildkernel process is used _during_ an upgrade. After the new 4.0 kernel has been booted and appropriate changes have been made to the system, kernels may be built successfully in the traditional way. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 7:16:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat196.15.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.196.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEAA137B537; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:16:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA49080; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:14:49 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:14:49 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 4.0-STABLE/SMP feels sluggish ... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a machine running Dual-PIII 450s that feels dog-slow and I can't seem to find anything wrong ... The machine is reasonably current: %uname -a FreeBSD pgsql.tht.net 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Mon Jun 19 23:38:56 EDT 2000 root@pgsql.tht.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/pgsql i386 Loadavg is less them 1, but its not unusual to have to wait after hitting just the return key for it to come back with something ... Is this SMP related? I saw the recent MFC that broke ppls SMP boxes with 4.0-STABLE ... something related to this that I should upgrade to? Something I should look at/test to see where the problem might be? Thanks ... Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 7:23: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from be-well.ilk.org (lowellg.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.184.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAAA037B623 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:22:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lowell@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (from lowell@localhost) by be-well.ilk.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30520; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:22:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lowell) From: Lowell Gilbert To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Minor issues after upgrade to 4.0-Stable References: <8kcgmu$1nqt$1@FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw> Date: 10 Jul 2000 10:22:40 -0400 In-Reply-To: lowell@world.std.com's message of "10 Jul 2000 20:48:30 +0800" Message-ID: <447lauuksv.fsf@lowellg.ne.mediaone.net> Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.6 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG lowell@world.std.com (Lowell Gilbert) writes: > An easier approach would be to just grab the whole doc distribution from a > recent snapshot (e.g., > releng4.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/{whatever}/doc/), and > install that. I apologize for speaking too soon: the Handbook isn't in the doc distribution (at least, not in the -STABLE snapshots), although the documentation (e.g., LAYOUT.TXT, ABOUT.TXT) indicates that it should be. I'll ask on the doc list. - Lowell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 7:24:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kci.kciLink.com (kci.kciLink.com [204.117.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE64C37B700; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:24:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: from onceler.kcilink.com (onceler.kciLink.com [204.117.82.2]) by kci.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4D4E8D1; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from khera@localhost) by onceler.kcilink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15365; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:24:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from khera@kci.kcilink.com) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14697.56500.375223.683195@onceler.kcilink.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:24:52 -0400 (EDT) To: Jeff Wyman Cc: Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: References: <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 9) "Canyonlands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "JW" == Jeff Wyman writes: >> So you're saying that even after upgrading from 3.4 to 4.0 you should >> use make buildkernel? That seems counter to what has been discussed >> before, and is way non-BSD-ish. JW> The buildkernel process is used _during_ an upgrade. After the JW> new 4.0 kernel has been booted and appropriate changes have been made to JW> the system, kernels may be built successfully in the traditional way. Which is contrary to the "subject line says it all" opening sentence of the original message... thus the confusion. Thanks for the clarification. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera@kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-301-545-6996 GPG & MIME spoken here http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 7:30:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.milw.twtelecom.net (ins1.milw.twtelecom.net [216.136.95.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC5437B622; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:30:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@inc.net) Received: from inc.net (ess.phreak.net [207.250.97.69]) by mail.milw.twtelecom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230DD33038; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:30:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3969DE14.D120B862@inc.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:30:44 -0500 From: Steve Kaczkowski Organization: Time Warner Telecom Internet & Data Division X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh,zh-CN,zh-TW,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: The Hermit Hacker Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0-STABLE/SMP feels sluggish ... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > I have a machine running Dual-PIII 450s that feels dog-slow and I can't > seem to find anything wrong ... > > The machine is reasonably current: > > %uname -a > FreeBSD pgsql.tht.net 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Mon Jun 19 > 23:38:56 EDT 2000 root@pgsql.tht.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/pgsql i386 > > Loadavg is less them 1, but its not unusual to have to wait after hitting > just the return key for it to come back with something ... > > Is this SMP related? I saw the recent MFC that broke ppls SMP boxes with > 4.0-STABLE ... something related to this that I should upgrade > to? Something I should look at/test to see where the problem might be? I had the same kinds of problems and just on the off chance I decided to CVS to the latest STABLE and what do you know it FIXED it! I think there was something weird in the Release code with SMP although everyone tells me there isn't.. All I know is that it fixed my problem.. Good luck! -- Steve Kaczkowski Time Warner Telecom IDD steve@inc.net (414)908-9012 http://www.inc.net (603)737-9209 Fax To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 7:39:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F1937B5F7 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:39:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13BeQA-000LVl-00; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:20:30 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13BeQ9-000Nt9-00; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:20:29 +0100 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:20:29 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Steve Abraham Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My apologies. Message-ID: <20000710152029.B74309@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <3968EB37.AF99A347@enets.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Yylu36WmvOXNoKYn" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3968EB37.AF99A347@enets.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Yylu36WmvOXNoKYn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve Abraham wrote: > It has been brought to my attention that a blank email was sent to this > list containing nothing more than my signature earlier on today. I > would like to stress that this was NOT spam, and was in fact an error on > my behalf during an attempt to subscribe to the list. As punishment, you must attend the next FreeBSD UK usergroup meeting and buy us all a drink. ;-) --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@scientia.demon.co.uk / PGP: 0x99392F7D --Yylu36WmvOXNoKYn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: IYp1v64+mjZ7RdZZV6m6arfQV63+iJ9N iQCVAwUBOWnbqysPVtiZOS99AQHajQQAo2T2owgEo/xSlSFW9Ho+Leey11npZGov N290K/EAzhZuf/HEhgUto1f2donuA/2oDBe2uqp7lTsA+phFssbN5/Ny7/byMRVz Edi6ekX77mjAIkDL0tHtr2OgmuEYqgn9vNqXf/RyUebn2DrmLqOKmuWBfvSvAe9F ywUL0z49ccg= =XjgW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Yylu36WmvOXNoKYn-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 8:12:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33A037B994; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:12:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p29-dn03kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [210.232.224.158]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id AAA08613; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:12:28 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3969E7FA.E0A734AF@newsguy.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:12:58 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Wyman Cc: Stephen Montgomery-Smith , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jeff Wyman wrote: > > With all this effort of editing files, is it really too much to move the > built kernel file and change file/schg flags? Maybe a "make > activekernel=XXX YYY" could make the appropriate changes to kernel XXX and > move it to /YYY as the active boot kernel. Just a quick thought. Huh... editing a file once is not particularly difficult, is it? -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@the.great.underground.bsdconpiracy.org _DES: The Book of Bruce has only one sentence in it, and it says "the actual directives of my cult are left as an exercise for the reader. Good luck." jkh: does it really include the 'good luck' part? EE: OK, I made that part up. EE: I figured it should sound a bit more cheery than how Bruce initially dictated it to me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 8:41:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC2137BBC5 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:41:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from n_hibma@qubesoft.com) Received: from calcaphon.demon.co.uk ([193.237.19.5] helo=bluebottle.qubesoft.com) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13BfgA-000FKi-0U; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:41:06 +0100 Received: from henny.webweaving.org (henny.qubesoft.com [192.168.1.5]) by bluebottle.qubesoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA28668; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:41:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from n_hibma@qubesoft.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by henny.webweaving.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06382; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:35:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from n_hibma@qubesoft.com) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:35:10 +0100 (BST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@localhost Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: Matthew Jacob Cc: FreeBSD STABLE Mailing List Subject: Re: I hope you do you don't mind a missing MFC... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Fixed. Sorry. Nick On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > libusb- the DIAGASSERT stuff- I've been trying to make RELEASE > for alpha for two days...... > > > Index: lib/libusb/data.c > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/lib/libusb/data.c,v > retrieving revision 1.1.2.1 > diff -u -r1.1.2.1 data.c > --- lib/libusb/data.c 2000/07/02 13:14:00 1.1.2.1 > +++ lib/libusb/data.c 2000/07/10 14:55:41 > @@ -41,9 +41,6 @@ > int data; > int i, end, offs; > > - _DIAGASSERT(p != NULL); > - _DIAGASSERT(h != NULL); > - > buf = p; > hpos = h->pos; /* bit position of data */ > hsize = h->report_size; /* bit length of data */ > @@ -72,9 +69,6 @@ > unsigned int hpos; > unsigned int hsize; > int i, end, offs, mask; > - > - _DIAGASSERT(p != NULL); > - _DIAGASSERT(h != NULL); > > buf = p; > hpos = h->pos; /* bit position of data */ > Index: lib/libusb/descr.c > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/lib/libusb/descr.c,v > retrieving revision 1.1.2.1 > diff -u -r1.1.2.1 descr.c > --- lib/libusb/descr.c 2000/07/02 13:14:00 1.1.2.1 > +++ lib/libusb/descr.c 2000/07/10 14:55:40 > @@ -51,8 +51,6 @@ > struct usb_ctl_report_desc rep; > report_desc_t r; > > - _DIAGASSERT(fd != -1); > - > rep.size = 0; > if (ioctl(fd, USB_GET_REPORT_DESC, &rep) < 0) > return (0); > Index: lib/libusb/parse.c > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/lib/libusb/parse.c,v > retrieving revision 1.1.2.1 > diff -u -r1.1.2.1 parse.c > --- lib/libusb/parse.c 2000/07/02 13:14:00 1.1.2.1 > +++ lib/libusb/parse.c 2000/07/10 14:55:41 > @@ -59,9 +59,6 @@ > static void > hid_clear_local(hid_item_t *c) > { > - > - _DIAGASSERT(c != NULL); > - > c->usage = 0; > c->usage_minimum = 0; > c->usage_maximum = 0; > @@ -79,8 +76,6 @@ > { > struct hid_data *s; > > - _DIAGASSERT(d != NULL); > - > s = malloc(sizeof *s); > memset(s, 0, sizeof *s); > s->start = s->p = d->data; > @@ -92,9 +87,6 @@ > void > hid_end_parse(hid_data_t s) > { > - > - _DIAGASSERT(s != NULL); > - > while (s->cur.next) { > hid_item_t *hi = s->cur.next->next; > free(s->cur.next); > @@ -114,9 +106,6 @@ > hid_item_t *hi; > int i; > > - _DIAGASSERT(s != NULL); > - _DIAGASSERT(h != NULL); > - > c = &s->cur; > > top: > @@ -362,9 +351,6 @@ > hid_item_t h; > int size, id; > > - _DIAGASSERT(r != NULL); > - /* idp may be NULL */ > - > id = 0; > if (idp) > *idp = 0; > @@ -389,9 +375,6 @@ > hid_item_t *h; > { > hid_data_t d; > - > - _DIAGASSERT(desc != NULL); > - _DIAGASSERT(h != NULL); > > for (d = hid_start_parse(desc, 1< if (h->kind == k && !(h->flags & HIO_CONST) && h->usage == u) { > > -- n_hibma@webweaving.org n_hibma@freebsd.org USB project http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 9: 7:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from corinth.bossig.com (corinth.bossig.com [208.26.239.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E4737BD2D for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:07:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kstewart@3-cities.com) Received: from 3-cities.com (unverified [206.159.132.160]) by corinth.bossig.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.2.4) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:09:05 -0700 Message-ID: <3969F4A9.5A595E0@3-cities.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:07:05 -0700 From: Kent Stewart Organization: BOSSig (BOSS Internet Group) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lowell Gilbert Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Minor issues after upgrade to 4.0-Stable References: <20000709115754.A289@localhost.localdomain> <3968B580.F6B1A5@3-cities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Lowell Gilbert wrote: > > Kent Stewart writes: > > > "David J. Kanter" wrote: > > > > > > My upgrade from 3.5 to 4.0 was a lot easier than I thought, but now I've got > > > some minor annoyances that I don't know how to fix. > > > > > > 1. Xfstt (linux) isn't working properly. The binary is running, as shown by > > > ps, but I have no access to TrueType fonts. All the fonts are on my Windows > > > partition. It worked fine before, and I haven't changed a thing in the > > > start-up script or /etc/XF86Config. > > > > > > 2. WindowMaker's wmnet isn't working right. I have wmnet -i tun0 start up > > > automatically, but it starts up with the ppp0 device. And, none of my > > > tunneling devices show up if I cycle through all the devices on the wmnet > > > app. If I type, at the shell, wmnet -i tun0, it'll show up. All the other > > > devices show up, like faith, etc., too. > > I have never used or installed either of these programs, but they might need > to be rebuilt because of changes elsewhere in the system. The latter, in > particular, sounds like it may be depending on devices in the kernel... > > > > 3. How do I get the new docs to install? I cvsup'ed the doc-all branch, and > > > assumed they would be updated automatically. But they weren't. What do I do > > > to get these updated? > > > > You have to "cd /usr/doc" and do a make and make install. You need the > > docproj installed before it will work. What I did then is add a folder > > to my KDE desktop with a link to /usr/doc//articles and > > books. > > I build the docs from source myself, but that's considerable overkill unless > you're planning to submit changes to the docs. [Note that Kent left out the > step of actually downloading -- presumably via cvsup -- the /usr/doc tree > itself.] Actually, you missed his cvsup of doc-all on item 3. I find having the docs on my computer better than using the HTML version on FreeBSD.org. It is much faster although I have a DSL now and once it settles down, my comment about speed may not be true. I like having a copy locally because when things break down your local copy may be all you have. I haven't found the copy on FreeBSD.org to be as current as what I build in a few minutes. Just recently, I was working with IPFW and NATD and until I got it running, the only computer docs I had access to were from doc-all. > > An easier approach would be to just grab the whole doc distribution from a > recent snapshot (e.g., > releng4.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/{whatever}/doc/), and > install that. Once you have cvsup'ed doc-all, the updates via cvsup are very fast. Kent > > > > 4. /var/cron/log moved to /var/log/cron, so I just did a cp -Rp. Does that > > > sound OK? > > Sure. I just started the log over from scratch, myself... > > Be well. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kstewart@3-cities.com http://www.3-cities.com/~kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ Bomber dropping fire retardant in front of Hanford Wild fire. http://www.3-cities.com/~kstewart/bomber.jpg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 9:16:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from horizon.barak-online.net (horizon.barak.net.il [206.49.94.218]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22BF837B578 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:16:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bk532@iname.com) Received: from localhost.local.net (pop09-1-ras1-p160.barak.net.il [212.150.107.160]) by horizon.barak-online.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA06718 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:15:12 +0300 (IDT) Received: from iname.com (localhost.local.net [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.local.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04626 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:28:48 +0300 (IDT) (envelope-from bk532@iname.com) Message-ID: <3969B36C.684CC369@iname.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:28:44 +0300 From: Boris Karnaukh Organization: Private person X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en, ru MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fixing PCI device locations References: <200006261436.QAA10618@luxren2.boostworks.com> <20000708220148.A2104@StefanEsser.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stefan Esser wrote: > > On 2000-06-26 09:18 -0700, Doug White wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Remy Nonnenmacher wrote: > > > I recently upgraded a server from 3.4 to 4-stable and was hurted by the > > > PCI device scanning not done in the same order on the two versions. > > > > > > Mainly, the server have 6 SCSI busses over 3 devices and two PCI > > > busses. (da0 on 3.4 ended up on da52 under 4-stable) > > > > > > While provisions are made for fixing SCSI controlers to busses (ieg: ahc > > > to scbus) and disks to scbuses, is there a way to fix SCSI controlers > > > to PCI locations ? > > > > > > (something like "device ahc0 on pci0.11.1") > > > > Not at this time, but it may appear at some time in the future, given an > > enterprising individual. A great many people, including embedded systems > > builders, would be thankful for such a feature. > > I had plans to improve the support for wired PCI devices that was in 3.0, > but have not looked at the problem after the newbus modifications. There > is one problem, which needs to be understood, but its not that hard ;-) > > The PCI probe reports bus numbers as assigned by the PCI BIOS. If we want > to specify locations of wired devices, we should NOT use the bus number > they are reported on, or bad things will happen, if some new PCI bridge > is installed and all the buses are suddenly renumbered ... > > We need a way to assign "labels" to PCI buses. This may be best done like > this: > > device pcibus1 at pci 0.10.0 > device pcibus2 at pci 1.4.0 > device ahc0 at pci 2.0.0 > > Keep in mind, that there may be a PCI bridge at 0.9.0, which already got > bus number 1 assigned by the BIOS. For that reason, we now have two PCI > number schemes: The bus numbers as programmed into the PCI chip-set and > bridges, and our "logical" bus numbers, which are only used for reference > in order to bind device driver instances to devices that are physically > connected to some PCI slot (possibly via multiple bridges). > > The above lines should be interpreted to mean: > > device pcibus X at pci 0.10.0 > device pcibus Y at pci X.4.0 > device ahc0 at pci Y.0.0 > > and X and Y can come out as 3 and 5 respectively, for example (and would > be reported in the boot log accordingly). This will confuse people that > want to add a device on yet another PCI bus, since numbers in the config > and numbers reported will always diverge, whenever a PCI bridge is added. > I think that from semantic point of view of would be better to change syntax as follows: device pcibus1 at pci 0.10.0 device pcibus2 at pcibus1 4.0 device ahc0 at pcibus2 0.0 to provide clear distinction between subordinate pci buses. -- Boris Karnaukh (mailto:bk532@iname.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 10: 7:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164DC37B759 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:07:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from foo.osd.bsdi.com (root@foo.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.137]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32444; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:07:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by foo.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA48264; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:06:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Organization: BSD, Inc. From: John Baldwin To: Jonathan Smith Subject: Re: Previous Message on /etc/defaults Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 10-Jul-00 Jonathan Smith wrote: > > I, personally, have no need of /etc/defaults and typically disable it, > anyway. Why disable it. Just create simple /etc/*.conf files that contain the actual changes you use. My rc.conf is like 15 lines long, and make.conf is normally about 5 lines. > Since the whole thing is environment variables, why not make /etc/rc.conf > and /etc/make.conf _include_ the ones in /etc/defaults (first thing in the > file) (if they exist, obviously)? At which point, those of us who don't > use the features [of the defaults] can simply copy the onese in the > defaults directory over the ones in /etc (thus putting the entire file in > completely AND removing the inclusion of /etc/defualts files... This, > also, enforces the idea that defaults are defaults and the ones in the etc > directory are the final authority. Because we don't want code in the /etc/*.conf files since users may accidentally delete that part of the files and find themselves screwed, etc. Also, a significant reason for defaults/ is that it makes upgrading your /etc after a make world a _lot_ easier since you can copy the new file over and add any overrides to /etc/rc.conf rather than having to merge in all the changes into /etc/rc.conf. > Just an idea :) It's been thought about, believe me, and the reasons for defaults/ outweigh the reasons against. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 10:10:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragonstar.dhs.org (dsl-028-a.resnet.purdue.edu [128.211.161.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F03337B948; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonsmith@dragonstar.dhs.org) Received: from localhost (jonsmith@localhost) by dragonstar.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA96452; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:10:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jonsmith@dragonstar.dhs.org) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:10:00 -0500 (EST) From: Jonathan Smith To: John Baldwin Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Previous Message on /etc/defaults In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The reason against it is that it makes it harder to go through and configure a fresh system. As I had said, one of my favorite things was to have one file to go through and change what I needed to. That advantage is gone. Yes, it's still easier than linux, but not by much. j. -- Close your eyes. Now forget what you see. What do you feel? -- My heart. -- Come here. -- Your heart. -- See? We're exactly the same. Jon Smith -- Senior Math Major @ Purdue On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 10-Jul-00 Jonathan Smith wrote: > > > > I, personally, have no need of /etc/defaults and typically disable it, > > anyway. > > Why disable it. Just create simple /etc/*.conf files that contain the > actual changes you use. My rc.conf is like 15 lines long, and make.conf is > normally about 5 lines. > > > Since the whole thing is environment variables, why not make /etc/rc.conf > > and /etc/make.conf _include_ the ones in /etc/defaults (first thing in the > > file) (if they exist, obviously)? At which point, those of us who don't > > use the features [of the defaults] can simply copy the onese in the > > defaults directory over the ones in /etc (thus putting the entire file in > > completely AND removing the inclusion of /etc/defualts files... This, > > also, enforces the idea that defaults are defaults and the ones in the etc > > directory are the final authority. > > Because we don't want code in the /etc/*.conf files since users may accidentally > delete that part of the files and find themselves screwed, etc. Also, a > significant reason for defaults/ is that it makes upgrading your /etc after a > make world a _lot_ easier since you can copy the new file over and add any > overrides to /etc/rc.conf rather than having to merge in all the changes > into /etc/rc.conf. > > > Just an idea :) > > It's been thought about, believe me, and the reasons for defaults/ outweigh > the reasons against. > > -- > > John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ > PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc > "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 10:11:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dt052n3e.san.rr.com (dt052n3e.san.rr.com [204.210.33.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C42A37BD7B; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:11:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt052n3e.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA79468; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:11:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <396A03AE.8A20FA61@gorean.org> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:11:10 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0702 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: Jeff Wyman , Stephen Montgomery-Smith , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels References: <3969E7FA.E0A734AF@newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Daniel C. Sobral" wrote: > > Jeff Wyman wrote: > > > > With all this effort of editing files, is it really too much to move the > > built kernel file and change file/schg flags? Maybe a "make > > activekernel=XXX YYY" could make the appropriate changes to kernel XXX and > > move it to /YYY as the active boot kernel. Just a quick thought. > > Huh... editing a file once is not particularly difficult, is it? There is also the option of naming your kernel config file "kernel". Master of the obvious, Doug -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 10:11:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F026C37BEE9 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:11:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from foo.osd.bsdi.com (root@foo.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.137]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32630; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:11:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by foo.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA48271; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:10:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Organization: BSD, Inc. From: John Baldwin To: Jonathan Smith Subject: Re: Previous Message on /etc/defaults Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, "Dan O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 10-Jul-00 Jonathan Smith wrote: >> My $0.02: I thinks it's a good idea for /etc/defaults/whatever to set the >> defaults and then load any customizations for /etc/whatever. Personally, I >> *like* having small /etc/whatever files with just my entries to worry about. >> And if we call defaults from the /etc copy, you have to first have an /etc >> version, or else the defaults don't get loaded at all... > > *grins* > > That's your choice, I'm not saying to take it away from you. > > We already have to have an etc version, either that or sysinstall > generates it. Either way, it gets created. > > > I started with slackware almost 4 years ago.... I personally had a > nightmare getting things done in the sysv way of things, all the various > config files just get the system started. > > Then, one of the local 'experts' had me try FreeBSD. (This was in the > 2.2.x days ;) I had one main config file that I had to edit that listed > nearly [if not] all of the main options to get my machine up. I think > that was the first (and one of the biggest) reasons I stayed with > FreeBSD. > > > Since then, I've been frustrated by the defaults directory; however, I do > realise it's value in large networks. I don't want that removed, but I > think it'd be nice to be able to remove it more easily. Err, all the options are still listed in /etc/defaults/rc.conf, and are documented in the rc.conf manpage (or should be). > As I said, my suggestion also makes it quite obvious that the defaults are > just that. Except that in practice your suggestion would result in many users breaking their systems. As it is now in -current and 4-stable, you can copy the existing defaults/rc.conf into /etc and edit it if you want. > j. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 10:14:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77AC037B9CF for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:14:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from foo.osd.bsdi.com (root@foo.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.137]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32708; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:14:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by foo.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA48309; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:13:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <39695966.520FD0B2@math.missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Organization: BSD, Inc. From: John Baldwin To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make y Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 10-Jul-00 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > Adam wrote: >> >> Stick kernel="/XXX" in /boot/loader.conf >> > > OK, this had better be documented when the make installkernel is documented. Actually, I think it's changed in -current so that the first kernel is installed as /kernel and the others as /kernel.. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 10:21:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragonstar.dhs.org (dsl-028-a.resnet.purdue.edu [128.211.161.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E7D37B724; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:21:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonsmith@dragonstar.dhs.org) Received: from localhost (jonsmith@localhost) by dragonstar.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA96490; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:21:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jonsmith@dragonstar.dhs.org) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:21:24 -0500 (EST) From: Jonathan Smith To: John Baldwin Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, "Dan O'Connor" Subject: Re: Previous Message on /etc/defaults In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Err, all the options are still listed in /etc/defaults/rc.conf, and are > documented in the rc.conf manpage (or should be). > True. And it actually looks more detailed than what's in the rc.conf files. :) It also means flipping windows. While for 'experts' and those of us who've been using this a few years, yes, it's doable or even second nature. It also means cut-and-paste, which is not as easy as simply replacing the text. > > As I said, my suggestion also makes it quite obvious that the defaults are > > just that. > > Except that in practice your suggestion would result in many users breaking > their systems. As it is now in -current and 4-stable, you can copy the > existing defaults/rc.conf into /etc and edit it if you want. > Breaking the system? Yes, I can see that. *scratches his head* When you remove win.ini, on teh other hand, you get better performance... Sorry, i just don't buy that. If you remove files in /etc, or /boot, or /usr/local/etc, you break things. I can see the point in redundancy on rc.conf, but it just leaves me feeling a bit quesy to think about this argument. > > j. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 10:22: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA8837B724 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:21:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6AHLsk19030; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:21:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Colin Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: natd inconsistencies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, Colin wrote: > I've just finished setting up FreeBSD 4.0R with ipfw and natd and I've noticed > either a discrepency between the actual functionality and the man page or a > misunderstanding on my part. > The man page recommends putting the divert rule as close to the beginning > of the rule set as possible, and the default rule sets seem consistent > with this. I noticed, though, that if I didn't put the rule "deny ip from > 192.168.0.0/24 to any in recv ed1" before the divert rule nothing from my > internal network (which just happens to be 192.168.0.0/24) would get through. I > assume the prevent-spoofing rules for private networks rules would have the sam > e issue depending on the internal network used. I also noticed several other > default rules caused some problems. This rule would block traffic destined for your own network -- you antispoofed yourself! :) It *MUST* be before translation takes place, and also make sure ed1 is the external interface. The 'log' option and 'ipfw show' are handy for firewall debugging. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 10:25:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D7037B968 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:25:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6AHP0429226; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:25:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Hristo Grigorov Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SYN+FIN counter In-Reply-To: <3969A4FC.9D74A1D0@BGINFO.NET> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Hristo Grigorov wrote: > is it a good idea to have a counter for drop SYN+FIN actions available ? > I think it's trivial to implement it but I am not sure... :) Already done; see LINT for the option. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 10:43:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mout1.freenet.de (mout1.freenet.de [194.97.50.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D6A37B591; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:43:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from se@freebsd.org) Received: from [194.97.50.138] (helo=mx0.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13BhaG-00057g-00; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:43:08 +0200 Received: from a630d.pppool.de ([213.6.99.13] helo=StefanEsser.FreeBSD.org) by mx0.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13BhaF-0005mV-00; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:43:08 +0200 Received: by StefanEsser.FreeBSD.org (Postfix, from userid 200) id AC0B4DBA; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:40:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:40:17 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Stephen McKay Cc: Alan Edmonds , Bill Paul , Chris Wasser , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Stefan Esser Subject: Re: Strangeness with 4.0-S Message-ID: <20000710194017.A33002@StefanEsser.FreeBSD.org> Reply-To: Stefan Esser References: <200007030749.RAA13446@dungeon.home> <20000704140131.A1734@StefanEsser.FreeBSD.org> <200007041411.AAA18590@dungeon.home> <20000708221341.B2104@StefanEsser.FreeBSD.org> <200007091052.UAA09724@dungeon.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200007091052.UAA09724@dungeon.home>; from mckay@thehub.com.au on Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 08:52:16PM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2000-07-09 20:52 +1000, Stephen McKay wrote: > On Saturday, 8th July 2000, Stefan Esser wrote: > > >Oh, there are renegotiations after each overrun ??? > >They should not be required at all. The Ethernet chip probably supports > >writing a new prefetch limit into the register while fully active ... > >I have looked at a number of Ethernet controller data sheets. There never > >was a warning that the chip must be quiescent when the "early send" limit > >is modified. > > The code at the point that an underrun is detected is: > > printf("dc%d: TX underrun -- ", sc->dc_unit); > if (DC_IS_DAVICOM(sc) || DC_IS_INTEL(sc)) > dc_init(sc); > > After that, it sets the new threshold, or store and forward mode. That > conditional (which resets the DE-500 style cards I own), looks deliberate > since it is so specific. Either that, or Bill was being conservative. > When I get a chance, I will experiment with removing it. Well, the DE Driver (DEC 21x4x) has (relevant lines marked ***): if (csr & TULIP_STS_ABNRMLINTR) { u_int32_t tmp = csr & sc->tulip_intrmask & ~(TULIP_STS_NORMALINTR|TULIP_STS_ABNRMLINTR); *** if (csr & TULIP_STS_TXUNDERFLOW) { *** if ((sc->tulip_cmdmode & TULIP_CMD_THRESHOLDCTL) != TULIP_CMD_THRSHLD160) { *** sc->tulip_cmdmode += TULIP_CMD_THRSHLD96; *** sc->tulip_flags |= TULIP_NEWTXTHRESH; } else if (sc->tulip_features & TULIP_HAVE_STOREFWD) { sc->tulip_cmdmode |= TULIP_CMD_STOREFWD; sc->tulip_flags |= TULIP_NEWTXTHRESH; } } if (sc->tulip_flags & TULIP_NOMESSAGES) { sc->tulip_statusbits |= tmp; } else { tulip_print_abnormal_interrupt(sc, tmp); sc->tulip_flags |= TULIP_NOMESSAGES; } *** TULIP_CSR_WRITE(sc, csr_command, sc->tulip_cmdmode); and later: if (sc->tulip_flags & TULIP_NEEDRESET) { tulip_reset(sc); tulip_init(sc); } But since TULIP_NEEDRESET has not been set in tulip_cmdmode, no chip reset is performed. I did not know, that the DC driver is different, but the specific test on Davicom and Intel chips seems to indicate, that Bill Paul knows what he is doing ... ;-) I agree, that for chips that need to be completely re-initialized, the default might be store-and-forward ... > >Well, I'd rather have the driver changed to not require a re-negotiation > >of the transmission parameters. > > I haven't read the data sheet yet (downloading now). Then we should know > what limitations we have to live with. There are so many DEC 21x4x clones, all slightly different, and it seems that at least a few need the chip reset. > It hides the problem very well for me. I really can't see the tiniest > of performance loss with store and forward. Maybe it's something that > only shows up on benchmarks. Guess it will show up if you measure latencies (or your application is doing lots of RPCs). But as soon as there is a cheap 100baseT switch in the path to the destination, there will be store-and-forward at work ;-) Regards, STefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 10:48:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.knology.net (smtp2.knology.net [24.214.63.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BBE737B5E9 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:48:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randyd@knology.net) Received: (qmail 9358 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2000 17:48:46 -0000 Received: from user-24-214-44-132.knology.net (HELO issun) (24.214.44.132) by smtp2.knology.net with SMTP; 10 Jul 2000 17:48:46 -0000 Message-ID: <000801bfea96$bfaccc70$842cd618@issun> From: "Randy" To: Subject: Subscribe Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:46:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFEA6C.D67802A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFEA6C.D67802A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFEA6C.D67802A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFEA6C.D67802A0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 10:54:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C0C37B5E9 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:54:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from foo.osd.bsdi.com (root@foo.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.137]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA34131; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:54:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by foo.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA48638; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:53:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Organization: BSD, Inc. From: John Baldwin To: Jonathan Smith Subject: Re: Previous Message on /etc/defaults Cc: "Dan O'Connor" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 10-Jul-00 Jonathan Smith wrote: >> >> Err, all the options are still listed in /etc/defaults/rc.conf, and are >> documented in the rc.conf manpage (or should be). >> > > True. And it actually looks more detailed than what's in the rc.conf > files. :) It also means flipping windows. While for 'experts' and those > of us who've been using this a few years, yes, it's doable or even second > nature. It also means cut-and-paste, which is not as easy as simply > replacing the text. > >> > As I said, my suggestion also makes it quite obvious that the defaults are >> > just that. >> >> Except that in practice your suggestion would result in many users breaking >> their systems. As it is now in -current and 4-stable, you can copy the >> existing defaults/rc.conf into /etc and edit it if you want. >> > > Breaking the system? Yes, I can see that. *scratches his head* When you > remove win.ini, on teh other hand, you get better performance... Sorry, i > just don't buy that. If you remove files in /etc, or /boot, or > /usr/local/etc, you break things. I can see the point in redundancy on > rc.conf, but it just leaves me feeling a bit quesy to think about this > argument. Breaking things by having to stick code in /etc/rc.conf to suck in /etc/defaults/rc.conf, and when some newbie deletes it accidentally and their system can't start up things because they don't have portmap_enable="YES" in their /etc/rc.conf for example. For example, right now I'm reworking a rc.network and pccard_ether a lot. Unless you update your defaults/rc.conf and include it when you upgrade, your network interfaces won't be setup. However, if you just put the differences in /etc/rc.conf and still use defaults/rc.conf, then I can stick default values for needed variables in defaults/rc.conf and your old /etc/rc.conf will work fine. Further, from sysinstall's perspective, the old rc.conf was a major pain to try to maintain. Remember the old 2.2.2 bug where sysinstall would reappend all your comments to the end of each line every time you ran it? Having to maintain a set of code at the beginning and allow for customization of it, etc. would be even _worse_. >> > j. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 11: 8:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from camelot.bitart.com (BITart-45.BITart.com [206.103.221.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E01837B6B5 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:08:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gerti@bitart.com) Received: (qmail 9427 invoked by uid 101); 10 Jul 2000 14:08:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20000710140838.9426.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.2mach v148) In-Reply-To: X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.2mach (Enhance 2.2p1) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.148) From: Gerd Knops Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:08:38 -0500 To: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Cc: stable@freebsd.org Reply-To: gerti-freebsds@BITart.com References: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway wrote: > > [cut] > > Summary of Officially Sanctioned Update Procedure: > > make buildworld > make buildkernel > make installkernel > shutdown (drop into single-user mode) > make installworld > mergemaster > reboot > > Depart from the above procedure at your own risk. Thankyou :-) > So what is the safest procedure for remote systems without terminal connection? Gerd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 11:55:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c1870039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D574A37B863 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:55:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roelof@nisser.com) Received: from nisser.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA48109; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:55:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@nisser.com) Message-ID: <396A1C7E.CE9D91D3@nisser.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:57:02 +0200 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Withrow Cc: Brooks Davis , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DHCP problem with 4.0 References: <200007101158.HAA09866@pobox.rwwa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Robert Withrow wrote: > > ... > If you use DHCP with PCMCIA cards, the hostname (and other stuff) doesn't get > set until you get your address much later in the startup sequence. Is there > (or has anyone invented) a way to make pcmcia DHCP happen at the same > time normal interface DHCP happens? Or is there some other way of dealing > with this that I've missed? Don't know about PCMCIA, but in my case (turned out I already had the packet filter included in) what did the trick was setting: ifconfig_ed0="DHCP" defaultrouter="NO" in rc.conf. Whilest booting you see it configuring the interfaces and then querying the DHCP server for the rest. If PCMCIA is different then I can only imagine that's because those infterfaces get configured later in the resource configuration process. Maybe you can move it up a bit? Roelof -- dog's site @ http://cairni.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 12:17: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragonstar.dhs.org (dsl-028-a.resnet.purdue.edu [128.211.161.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5864D37B5B0; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:16:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonsmith@dragonstar.dhs.org) Received: from localhost (jonsmith@localhost) by dragonstar.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA96644; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:48:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jonsmith@dragonstar.dhs.org) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:48:10 -0500 (EST) From: Jonathan Smith To: John Baldwin Cc: "Dan O'Connor" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Previous Message on /etc/defaults In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm going to drop the discussion. You're busy telling me why your way is best for me, when I'm saying it's fine, but not for me. Rather than listening and offering ideas, you're telling me why you are right. I hate using Microsoft products because, among other reasons, Microsoft tells me IE is right and hacks windows 2000 to disalow me from erasing it, and hacks ie so you can't use it to download netscape. *shrugs* j. -- Close your eyes. Now forget what you see. What do you feel? -- My heart. -- Come here. -- Your heart. -- See? We're exactly the same. Jon Smith -- Senior Math Major @ Purdue To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 13: 7:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9120637B837 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:07:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 13Bjpc-0006fy-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:07:08 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:07:08 -0400 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Sound still messed up. Message-ID: <20000710160707.J18611@pir.net> Reply-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i X-fish: < X-Copy-On-Listmail: Please do NOT Cc: me on list mail. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tracking stable I've been waiting for the audio on the machines I use to stablise. The Vibra16pnp in this machine still generates static every 10th open of so; FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jun 23 2000 19:48:48 Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0x220 irq 5 drq 1:3 (1p/1r channels duplex) My laptop generates static at about the same rate; FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jun 23 2000 20:06:20 Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0x220 irq 5 drq 1:5 (1p/1r channels) The SBLive in another machine appears to work perfectly ... Is any work being done on these ? It's rather annoying to have sound worse than it was with 3.4-R :/ and we'll lose a lot of desktop users if sound is so scrod when they try FreeBSD. P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 14:15:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5623E37B7A9; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:15:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA06799; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:15:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:15:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Jeff Wyman Cc: Vivek Khera , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Jeff Wyman wrote: > The buildkernel process is used _during_ an upgrade. After the > new 4.0 kernel has been booted and appropriate changes have been made to > the system, kernels may be built successfully in the traditional way. You can also build kernels the "old way" and it will work most of the time, but "buildkernel" is the officially supported way for *all* kernel builds - so please don't post bug reports unless you've tried buildkernel and it's failed. Yes, this should be documented in the handbook. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 14:20:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC8F37B985; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:20:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA07312; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:20:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:20:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Vivek Khera Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Vivek Khera wrote: > So you're saying that even after upgrading from 3.4 to 4.0 you should > use make buildkernel? That seems counter to what has been discussed > before, and is way non-BSD-ish. Buildkernel internally handles tool dependency problems, where the kernel build depends on tools which were built by make installworld, but not yet installed on the system. The alternative is to post a detailed list of which bits must be installed before you can build your new kernel, each time it happens, which is error-prone and subject to people not reading their mail (oops, which is exactly what happened this time around). It's a bit different than what you're used to in FreeBSD, but you can't call it "non-BSD-ish" unless you want to also criticise "make world". You can go on using the "old procedure" if you like, but please don't post kernel build bug reports unless you've used buildkernel. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 14:22:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E54937B985; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:22:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA07484; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:22:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:22:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Vivek Khera Cc: Jeff Wyman , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: <14697.56500.375223.683195@onceler.kcilink.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Vivek Khera wrote: > >> So you're saying that even after upgrading from 3.4 to 4.0 you should > >> use make buildkernel? That seems counter to what has been discussed > >> before, and is way non-BSD-ish. > > JW> The buildkernel process is used _during_ an upgrade. After the > JW> new 4.0 kernel has been booted and appropriate changes have been made to > JW> the system, kernels may be built successfully in the traditional way. > > Which is contrary to the "subject line says it all" opening sentence > of the original message... thus the confusion. Thanks for the > clarification. My Wyman doesn't speak from a position of any authority here, I'm afraid. Yes, the old method will work most of the time, but don't even think about complaining when it doesn't. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 14:24: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3114037BA15; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:24:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA07629; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:24:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:24:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Doug Barton Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels In-Reply-To: <396A03E8.FB68CB94@gorean.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Doug Barton wrote: > Hey Kris, I think I understand your post here, but there is already a > meta-discussion forming about whether "always" means always, or just > when moving from 3.x to 4.x. You might want to clarify that one... Get into the habit of using it for every kernel build you do. It's not always necessary, but you won't know when it is until you've tried your build the old way and it's failed. Then you might make the mistake of posting about it on the mailing list and looking foolish in front of everyone :-) Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 14:42:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from area51.slashnet.org (area51.slashnet.org [208.222.214.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5C237B73A for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:42:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from smkelly@zombie.org) Received: from edgemaster.zombie.org (cx497943-c.omhaw1.ne.home.com [24.7.36.238]) by area51.slashnet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986CC14D402 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by edgemaster.zombie.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CA1CC98D3; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:42:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:42:06 -0500 From: Sean Kelly To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sound still messed up. Message-ID: <20000710164206.A7641@edgemaster.zombie.org> References: <20000710160707.J18611@pir.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000710160707.J18611@pir.net>; from pir@pir.net on Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 04:07:08PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 04:07:08PM -0400, Peter Radcliffe wrote: > Tracking stable I've been waiting for the audio on the machines I use > to stablise. ... > The SBLive in another machine appears to work perfectly ... > > Is any work being done on these ? It's rather annoying to have sound > worse than it was with 3.4-R :/ and we'll lose a lot of desktop users > if sound is so scrod when they try FreeBSD. ... I've got a SB128PCI, and I have a similar problem. Whenever the mouse curser from moused moves on the console, I hear static in sound. I also hear small blits of static when I change consoles. I use sysmouse, but I hear no static in X when the mouse cursor moves. I know nothing about the topic, but I think there might be something up with the console/sound code... It's annoying to have to not move the mouse to get clear audio. Jul 9 18:08:34 edgemaster /kernel: pcm0: port 0xe800-0xe81f irq 11 at device 17.0 on pci0 Jul 9 18:08:34 edgemaster /kernel: sc0: on isa0 Jul 9 18:08:34 edgemaster /kernel: sc0: VGA <24 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> Jul 9 18:08:34 edgemaster /kernel: vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 (58) smkelly@edgemaster:~$ cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jul 9 2000 17:48:42 Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0xe800 irq 11 (1p/0r channels duplex) (59) smkelly@edgemaster:~$ I'd appreciate any information on this topic. -- Sean Kelly or PGP KeyID: 4AC781C7 ICQ UIN: 27955995 EFAX: (603) 372-1638 IRC: drdink@SlashNET To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 14:44:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kci.kciLink.com (kci.kciLink.com [204.117.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566C437B5A0 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:44:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: from onceler.kcilink.com (onceler.kciLink.com [204.117.82.2]) by kci.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E33BE896 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from khera@localhost) by onceler.kcilink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA75697; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:44:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from khera@kci.kcilink.com) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14698.17321.468903.642899@onceler.kcilink.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:44:09 -0400 (EDT) To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: References: <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 9) "Canyonlands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "KK" == Kris Kennaway writes: KK> On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Vivek Khera wrote: >> So you're saying that even after upgrading from 3.4 to 4.0 you should >> use make buildkernel? That seems counter to what has been discussed >> before, and is way non-BSD-ish. KK> Buildkernel internally handles tool dependency problems, where the kernel KK> build depends on tools which were built by make installworld, but not yet KK> installed on the system. The alternative is to post a detailed list of So if I don't have a "buildworld" /usr/obj tree sitting around, I am not supported to build a new kernel for my existing system, say, to add a new SCSI controller to a server? -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera@kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-301-545-6996 GPG & MIME spoken here http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 15:11:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from postfix3.free.fr (postfix3.free.fr [212.27.32.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C991437B985; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:11:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jaco@titine.fr.eu.org) Received: from titine.fr.eu.org (toulouse-1-5-108.dial.proxad.net [213.228.5.108]) by postfix3.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D69586C2B; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:11:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by titine.fr.eu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8D7B914CDF; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:10:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Attribution: Jaco To: Kris Kennaway Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels References: From: Eric Jacoboni Date: 11 Jul 2000 00:10:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: Kris Kennaway's message of "Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:15:54 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: <871z11iql7.fsf@titine.fr.eu.org> Lines: 36 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Kris" =3D=3D Kris Kennaway writes: Kris> You can also build kernels the "old way" and it will work most of the Kris> time, but "buildkernel" is the officially supported way for *all* ker= nel Kris> builds - so please don't post bug reports unless you've tried buildke= rnel Kris> and it's failed. Yes, this should be documented in the handbook. I should say that a 'make buildkernel KERNEL=3DTITINE' fails (on a fresh cvsup) with the following messages : =3D=3D=3D> wi @ -> /usr/src/sys machine -> /usr/src/sys/i386/include perl @/kern/makedevops.pl -h @/kern/device_if.m perl @/kern/makedevops.pl -h @/kern/bus_if.m rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -nostdinc -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -I- -I. -I@ -I@/../i= nclude -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include /usr/src/sys/modules/wi/../../i= 386/isa/if_wi.c cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -pipe -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnes= ted-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winl= ine -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/usr/src/sy= s -I/usr/src/sys/../include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf -mprefer= red-stack-boundary=3D2 /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/locore.s {standard input}: Assembler messages: {standard input}:1743: Error: .space specifies non-absolute value {standard input}:2454: Error: undefined symbol L0 in operation setting PTmap {standard input}:2454: Error: undefined symbol PDRSHIFT in operation settin= g PTmap {standard input}:1711: Error: undefined symbol L0 in operation [lot of stuff skipped...] {standard input}:2443: Error: Subtraction of two symbols in different secti= ons "IdlePTD" {.data section} - "KERNBASE" {*UND* section} at file address = 1515. {standard input}:2446: Error: Subtraction of two symbols in different secti= ons "IdlePTD" {.data section} - "KERNBASE" {*UND* section} at file address = 1538. {standard input}:2449: Error: Subtraction of two symbols in different secti= ons "IdlePTD" {.data section} - "KERNBASE" {*UND* section} at file address = 1557. *** Error code 1 but the old method works like a charm on the same kernel config... --=20 --------------------------------------------------------- =C9ric Jacoboni =AB No sport, cigars! =BB (W. Churchill) --------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 15:36:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wysoft.tzo.com (c481444-a.bremtn1.wa.home.com [24.12.235.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8078537C027; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:36:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wysoft@wysoft.tzo.com) Received: from localhost (wysoft@localhost) by wysoft.tzo.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6AMWDU02263; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:32:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Wyman To: Doug Barton Cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" , Stephen Montgomery-Smith , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels In-Reply-To: <396A03AE.8A20FA61@gorean.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Doug Barton wrote: > There is also the option of naming your kernel config file "kernel". > Yes, but some people don't like to name their children "kernel" for whatever reason. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 16:23:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from calais.pt.lu (calais.pt.lu [194.154.192.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A40337B6B5 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:23:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frzell@pt.lu) Received: from localhost.localnet.fz (ppp12-0708-237.pt.lu [195.46.248.237]) by calais.pt.lu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA07663; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:23:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost.localnet.fz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localnet.fz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA60365; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:22:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from frzell@pt.lu) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1251614050.20000709162858@buz.ch> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:22:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Francois Zellinger To: Gabriel Ambuehl Subject: RE: Can't build Kernel... Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The problem disappears when you do 'make world' _before_ rebuilding the kernel. fz On 09-Jul-00 Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > Hello, > -I../../../include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf > -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 ../../i386/i386/bioscall.s > /tmp/ccc89247.s: Assembler messages: > /tmp/ccc89247.s:774: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 > instruction > /tmp/ccc89247.s:839: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 > instruction > *** Error code 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 16:35:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (mail2.rdc3.on.home.com [24.2.9.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C948837B75C for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:34:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cwass99@home.com) Received: from tristan.net ([24.114.108.234]) by mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000710233429.DWSJ15084.mail2.rdc3.on.home.com@tristan.net>; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:34:29 -0700 Content-Length: 1648 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:26:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Colin To: Doug White Subject: Re: natd inconsistencies Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 10-Jul-00 Doug White wrote: > On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, Colin wrote: > >> The man page recommends putting the divert rule as close to the >> beginning >> of the rule set as possible, and the default rule sets seem consistent >> with this. I noticed, though, that if I didn't put the rule "deny ip from >> 192.168.0.0/24 to any in recv ed1" before the divert rule nothing from my >> internal network (which just happens to be 192.168.0.0/24) would get >> through. I >> assume the prevent-spoofing rules for private networks rules would have the >> sam > > This rule would block traffic destined for your own network -- you > antispoofed yourself! :) It *MUST* be before translation takes place, > and also make sure ed1 is the external interface. > > The 'log' option and 'ipfw show' are handy for firewall debugging. > I found this rule was the problem using ipfw show (a very useful command when you're building a ruleset to see what is blocking you) which is why I moved it. My concern is that it shouldn't block packets from an external source (eg www.FreeBSD.org ;) to 192.168.0.0/24. It should only block packets from that network incoming on the external interface. I understood natd would alter the dest addr on the inbound packet if it was in the table but not touch the source addr. Is this not the case? Or am I missing something obvious in the operation? Cheers, Colin > Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve > dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 16:41:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A3B37B865; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:41:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from foo.osd.bsdi.com (root@foo.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.137]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA45774; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:41:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by foo.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA51307; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:40:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <871z11iql7.fsf@titine.fr.eu.org> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Organization: BSD, Inc. From: John Baldwin To: Eric Jacoboni Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make y Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Kris Kennaway Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 10-Jul-00 Eric Jacoboni wrote: >>>>>> "Kris" == Kris Kennaway writes: > > Kris> You can also build kernels the "old way" and it will work most of the > Kris> time, but "buildkernel" is the officially supported way for *all* > kernel > Kris> builds - so please don't post bug reports unless you've tried > buildkernel > Kris> and it's failed. Yes, this should be documented in the handbook. > > I should say that a 'make buildkernel KERNEL=TITINE' fails (on a fresh > cvsup) with the following messages : Did you do a buildworld before running buildkernel, and are all your sources in sync? -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 16:48:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28FD37B5C1 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:48:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6ANm9m26324; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:48:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Colin Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: natd inconsistencies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Colin wrote: > I found this rule was the problem using ipfw show (a very useful command > when you're building a ruleset to see what is blocking you) which is why I > moved it. My concern is that it shouldn't block packets from an external > source (eg www.FreeBSD.org ;) to 192.168.0.0/24. It should only block packets > from that network incoming on the external interface. I understood natd would > alter the dest addr on the inbound packet if it was in the table but not touch > the source addr. Is this not the case? Or am I missing something obvious in > the operation? Don't forget about the return packets :) Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 16:54: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E6D637B831; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:54:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA26021; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:54:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:54:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: John Baldwin Cc: Stephen Montgomery-Smith , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make y In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 10-Jul-00 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > Adam wrote: > >> > >> Stick kernel="/XXX" in /boot/loader.conf > >> > > > > OK, this had better be documented when the make installkernel is documented. > > Actually, I think it's changed in -current so that the first kernel is > installed as /kernel and the others as /kernel.. Yeah, someone should MFC this.. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 16:59: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EA637B8AE; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:59:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA26370; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:59:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:59:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Ronald.vanderPol@surfnet.nl Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, snap-users@kame.net Subject: Re: which version of KAME in FreeBSD 4.1? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 Ronald.vanderPol@surfnet.nl wrote: > Which "version" of KAME will be included in FreeBSD 4.1? Is it still > expected to be released on July 15? That's a good question. -current has KAME from 07/01, but -stable still has the same KAME code that was in 4.0. I'm intending to merge it across in the next few days since the newer code supports the use of racoon, KAME's IKE daemon. Would you be able to help verify the new code prior to the release of 4.1, once it's merged back? The release date for 4.1 has been pushed back to July 25th. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 17: 1:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9134D37B940; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:01:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA26543; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:01:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:01:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Mark.Andrews@nominum.com Cc: stable@freebsd.org, Wolfram Schneider , committers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bad summary dates on searching mail archives In-Reply-To: <200007101220.WAA89516@drugs.dv.isc.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This has been broken for quite a while and remarked upon in many fora, but for for some reason our webmaster hasn't fixed it :-( Kris On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 Mark.Andrews@nominum.com wrote: > > I entered the following query into the search critera with > only stable checked. > > "operands and given and match and known and instruction" > > The returned results are at the end. > > Examining the dates in the messages it looks like the summary > date only changes when the message date is further in the past. > So the only messages with correct summary dates are 1, 2 and 10. > > If we don't want a lot of repeat queries on current we need to > working seaches so that you can actually see the current items. > It would also help if you could sort by date but just getting the > summaries correct would help. > > Mark > > The archive freebsd-stable contains the following items relevant to `operands and given and match and known and instruction': > > 1.Gustavo Vi compiling 4Stable error > Score: 306; Lines: 49; -7-2000; Archive: freebsd-stable > > 2.Alfred Per Re: Reboot during make world > Score: 306; Lines: 72; 01-Jun-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable > > 3.Sean Lutne Re: make: don't know how to make dwarf1.c. Stop > Score: 302; Lines: 107; 01-Jun-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable > > 4.Warner Los Re: make: don't know how to make dwarf1.c. Stop > Score: 297; Lines: 57; 01-Jun-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable > > 5."David O'B Re: ** HEADS UP ** builds will be broken for a few hours > Score: 296; Lines: 56; 01-Jun-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable > > 6."Corey G." Re: compiling 4Stable error > Score: 288; Lines: 71; 01-Jun-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable > > 7.Wilko Bult Re: make: don't know how to make dwarf1.c. Stop > Score: 286; Lines: 99; 01-Jun-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable > > 8.Kent Stewa Re: ** HEADS UP ** builds will be broken for a few hours > Score: 270; Lines: 70; 01-Jun-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable > > 9."Chris D. Re: make: don't know how to make dwarf1.c. Stop > Score: 269; Lines: 83; 01-Jun-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable > > 10."David Sch Reboot during make world > Score: 266; Lines: 97; 31-May-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable > > 11.Kent Stewa Re: ** HEADS UP ** builds will be broken for a few hours > Score: 255; Lines: 86; 31-May-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable > > 12.Kent Stewa Re: make: don't know how to make dwarf1.c. Stop > Score: 249; Lines: 86; 31-May-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable > > 13.Wilko Bult Re: make: don't know how to make dwarf1.c. Stop > Score: 240; Lines: 92; 31-May-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable > > 14.Kent Stewa Re: make: don't know how to make dwarf1.c. Stop > Score: 233; Lines: 120; 31-May-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable > > 15.Lint^^
  • Score: 219; Lines: 136; 31-May-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable > > 16.Kent Stewa Re: make: don't know how to make dwarf1.c. Stop > Score: 206; Lines: 165; 31-May-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable > > 17.Lint^^
  • Score: 206; Lines: 172; 31-May-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable > > 18.Bill Hamil 3.1 upgrade problems > Score: 204; Lines: 184; 31-May-1999; Archive: freebsd-stable > -- > Mark Andrews, Nominum Inc. > 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia > PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark.Andrews@nominum.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 18: 1:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.visi.com (baal.visi.com [209.98.98.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2005437B52F for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:01:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rdobbs@visi.com) Received: from merissa (rdobbs.isdn.visi.com [209.98.5.180]) by mail.visi.com (8.8.8/8.7.5) with SMTP id UAA10454 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:01:11 -0500 (CDT) Posted-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:01:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000501bfead3$3c7d31e0$0301a8c0@merissa> From: "Raymond Dobbs" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:59:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 18: 7:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A0B37BA12; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:07:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22241; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:37:10 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:37:10 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Vivek Khera Cc: Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Message-ID: <20000711103710.B21954@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 10 July 2000 at 10:04:53 -0400, Vivek Khera wrote: >>>>>> "KK" == Kris Kennaway writes: > > KK> Subject basically says it all. "make buildkernel KERNEL=" and > KK> "make installkernel KERNEL=" (or set KERNEL in /etc/make.conf or > KK> the environment, where KERNEL is the name of the kernel to build (GENERIC, > KK> etc)) are what you should always be using to build your kernels, unless > KK> you know what you're doing. > > So you're saying that even after upgrading from 3.4 to 4.0 you should > use make buildkernel? That seems counter to what has been discussed > before, and is way non-BSD-ish. Agreed. I tried it out and found a number of things I didn't like about it. Basically, it's a completely different build process: 1. Before building, it removes the existing kernel build tree. There's no good reason for this. 2. It builds in a different tree (/usr/obj instead of /usr/src/sys/compile). These two points mean that if you later want to go back and tune your kernel (change a driver parameter, say), you can't just do a config; cd ../../compile/FOO; make, you have to go the whole nine yards. 3. It gives the kernel a different name. 4. It's just plain clumsy. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 18:20:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ddg.com (eunuch.ddg.com [216.30.58.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47DE037B6F3; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:20:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from nomad.dataplex.net (24.27.31.118) by mail.ddg.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.1); Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:20:37 -0500 From: Richard Wackerbarth To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:20:35 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.58] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> <20000711103710.B21954@wantadilla.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <20000711103710.B21954@wantadilla.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00071020203500.18574@nomad.dataplex.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Greg Lehey wrote: > Agreed. I tried it out and found a number of things I didn't like > about it. Basically, it's a completely different build process: > > 1. Before building, it removes the existing kernel build tree. > There's no good reason for this. Agreed > 2. It builds in a different tree (/usr/obj instead of > /usr/src/sys/compile). These two points mean that if you later > want to go back and tune your kernel (change a driver parameter, > say), you can't just do a config; cd ../../compile/FOO; make, you > have to go the whole nine yards. I've argued (to no avail) that the whole kernel build was always "wrong" and that kernels should be treated in the same structure that is used to build userland programs. In particular, each kernel should get its own source directory just like each each user program does. The kernel has one primary source file. This file gets "compiled" by "config" (just as "foo.y") would get processed by "yacc" before calling "gcc" to actually do the compile. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 19: 3:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dt052n3e.san.rr.com (dt052n3e.san.rr.com [204.210.33.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8343937B56B; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:03:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from slave (doug@slave [10.0.0.1]) by dt052n3e.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA84639; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:03:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:03:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton X-Sender: doug@dt052n3e.san.rr.com To: Jonathan Smith Cc: John Baldwin , "Dan O'Connor" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Previous Message on /etc/defaults In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Jonathan Smith wrote: > I'm going to drop the discussion. You're busy telling me why your way is > best for me, when I'm saying it's fine, but not for me. Rather than > listening and offering ideas, you're telling me why you are right. That's not what he was saying at all. If I may, it seemed to me that John's point was that the /etc/defaults system works best for the majority of our users, and might even have some advantages for you if you chose to give it a try. Your point is that you want to do what you want to do, come hell or high water. That's fine, the fact that you _can_ do that at all is what makes freebsd non-microsoft-y. Good luck, Doug -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 19:20:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595FE37B5D8 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:20:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA20169; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:19:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:19:04 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Robert Withrow Cc: Brooks Davis , Roelof Osinga , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DHCP problem with 4.0 Message-ID: <20000710191904.A19106@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <20000707173011.A3544@orion.ac.hmc.edu> <200007101158.HAA09866@pobox.rwwa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <200007101158.HAA09866@pobox.rwwa.com>; from witr@rwwa.com on Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 07:58:19AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 07:58:19AM -0400, Robert Withrow wrote: > > brooks@one-eyed-alien.net said: > :-Don't set any other network related things in the config file unless > :-you're DHCP server is misconfigured and doesn't tell you about them. > > If you use DHCP with PCMCIA cards, the hostname (and other stuff) doesn't get > set until you get your address much later in the startup sequence. Is there > (or has anyone invented) a way to make pcmcia DHCP happen at the same > time normal interface DHCP happens? Or is there some other way of dealing > with this that I've missed? See the patches in my PR at: http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=18583 This isn't an ideal solution, but it's much better then the current one. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 20:37:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE4E37BB97; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:37:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA45551; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:37:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA01152; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:37:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007110337.VAA01152@harmony.village.org> To: Vivek Khera Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Cc: Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:04:53 EDT." <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> References: <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:37:49 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> Vivek Khera writes: : So you're saying that even after upgrading from 3.4 to 4.0 you should : use make buildkernel? That seems counter to what has been discussed : before, and is way non-BSD-ish. When you are updating from one version to the next, your best bet is to use the proceedure. It is needed to cross the binutils divide that we currently have in -stable. You are free to depart from that as a shortcut, but if you do, be aware that things might not build that would build with make buildkernel. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 20:38:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555AC37BC88; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:38:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA45555; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:38:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA01165; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:38:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007110338.VAA01165@harmony.village.org> To: Jeff Wyman Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Cc: Vivek Khera , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jul 2000 05:34:10 PDT." References: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:38:33 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Jeff Wyman writes: : The buildkernel process is used _during_ an upgrade. After the : new 4.0 kernel has been booted and appropriate changes have been made to : the system, kernels may be built successfully in the traditional way. Until you upgrade accross the binutils divide that was recently introduced into -stable. I'll have to update UPDATING to reflect the recent merge-o-thon that has happened. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 20:40:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB69D37BBF5; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:40:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bsdx@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01631; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:40:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:40:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Ronald.vanderPol@surfnet.nl, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: which version of KAME in FreeBSD 4.1? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote: >On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 Ronald.vanderPol@surfnet.nl wrote: > >> Which "version" of KAME will be included in FreeBSD 4.1? Is it still >> expected to be released on July 15? > >That's a good question. -current has KAME from 07/01, but -stable still >has the same KAME code that was in 4.0. I'm intending to merge it across >in the next few days since the newer code supports the use of racoon, >KAME's IKE daemon. Would you be able to help verify the new code prior to >the release of 4.1, once it's merged back? > >The release date for 4.1 has been pushed back to July 25th. Speaking of nifty features for 4.1, does anyone know of a list of such nifty features that would exceed what is found out of the box in the average latest Linux distribution? I'm thinking things like ipv6, usb, ata66, etc would be nice things to push with. If nothing turns up here, ill try the advocacy list next. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 20:40:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9BF37BBA6; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:40:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA45587; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:40:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA01221; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:40:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007110340.VAA01221@harmony.village.org> To: gerti-freebsds@bitart.com Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Cc: Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:08:38 CDT." <20000710140838.9426.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> References: <20000710140838.9426.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:40:28 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000710140838.9426.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> Gerd Knops writes: : So what is the safest procedure for remote systems without terminal : connection? Hop in the car, go there and do it on the console :-) Second safest: just do the installworld target -k after building and installing a new kernel and reboot. Make sure you have a machine at the rev you are updating locally to try this on before needing to the update, otherwise you're back to step one. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 20:42:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC5B37BBA6 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:42:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA45596; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:42:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA01241; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:42:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007110342.VAA01241@harmony.village.org> To: Vivek Khera Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:44:09 EDT." <14698.17321.468903.642899@onceler.kcilink.com> References: <14698.17321.468903.642899@onceler.kcilink.com> <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:42:38 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <14698.17321.468903.642899@onceler.kcilink.com> Vivek Khera writes: : So if I don't have a "buildworld" /usr/obj tree sitting around, I am : not supported to build a new kernel for my existing system, say, to : add a new SCSI controller to a server? No. You misunderstand. The buildkernel is only needed when you are updating your kernel. If you do not update the sources via cvs, cvsup or other means, then you can just cd to the src/compile/FOO directory and build it again after you configured. This is needed only for upgrades when you have updated your sources. Sometimes you can get away without doing this, but if you can't then please try the official way before posting bug reports. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 20:59:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (ztown1-3-91.adsl.one.net [216.23.21.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2233837BBFC for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:59:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19235; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:06:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:06:54 -0400 From: Coleman Kane To: Kent Stewart Cc: Antony T Curtis , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New hardware support? Message-ID: <20000711000654.A19219@cokane.yi.org> References: <3965985E.D2E8C560@abacus.co.uk> <4w31z166p3s.fsf@loke.miba.auc.dk> <3965D281.5ACDE0F@abacus.co.uk> <396619FD.40AB2D1A@3-cities.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <396619FD.40AB2D1A@3-cities.com>; from kstewart@3-cities.com on Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 06:04:45PM -0400 X-Vim: vim:tw=70:ts=4:sw=4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yeah, -CURRENT has an agp driver. Kent Stewart had the audacity to say: > > Antony T Curtis wrote: > > > > Mads Hugo Pedersen wrote: > > > > > > >>>>> "Antony" == Antony T Curtis writes: > > > > > > Antony> Is there any idea when FreeBSD will support some of the lates > > > Antony> hardware - namely, the i810 chipset? > > > > > > I have just upgraded to XFree86 4.0.1 on my 4.0S, and it should have > > > support for your i810 chipset. > > > > On Linux, it requires a kernel module (agpgart.o) to work and a recent > > linux kernel (I'm having to use 2.40-test) > > > > Does FreeBSD have an equivilent and can someone confirm that i810 does > > work on FreeBSD? > > > > There was some recent mail about that. Do an archive search on > "Subject: Re: intel chipset810" in -questions. > > Kent > > -- > Kent Stewart > Richland, WA > > mailto:kstewart@3-cities.com > http://www.3-cities.com/~kstewart/index.html > FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ > > Bomber dropping fire retardant in front of Hanford Wild fire. > http://www.3-cities.com/~kstewart/bomber.jpg > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- Coleman Kane President, UC Free O.S. Users Group - http://pohl.ececs.uc.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 21: 5:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from addr2.addr.com (addr.com [209.249.147.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830AE37BC0C for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:05:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwpauler@jwpages.com) Received: from pauler.lgtch02.fais.net (pauler.lgtch02.fais.net [208.249.141.31]) by addr2.addr.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA73778 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:03:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwpauler@jwpages.com) From: "Justin W. Pauler" Organization: JWPages Web Design To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sound still messed up. Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:36:05 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20000710160707.J18611@pir.net> <20000710164206.A7641@edgemaster.zombie.org> In-Reply-To: <20000710164206.A7641@edgemaster.zombie.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00071023054700.00375@pauler.lgtch02.fais.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG All I can add to this topic is that this driver works perfectly with only a very few problems here. The audio is very clear, however, I do hear the small amount of static when changing consoles, but I also remember having this problem in Linux :P not being able to fix it there either. pauler# cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jul 9 2000 13:45:25 Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0x530 irq 5 drq 0:1 (1p/1r channels duplex) pauler# Justin W. Pauler (jwpauler@jwpages.com) JWPages Web Development (http://www.jwpages.com) On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Sean Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 04:07:08PM -0400, Peter Radcliffe wrote: > > Tracking stable I've been waiting for the audio on the machines I use > > to stablise. > ... > >> The SBLive in another machine appears to work perfectly ... > > > > Is any work being done on these ? It's rather annoying to have sound > > worse than it was with 3.4-R :/ and we'll lose a lot of desktop users > > if sound is so scrod when they try FreeBSD. > ... > > I've got a SB128PCI, and I have a similar problem. Whenever the mouse curser > from moused moves on the console, I hear static in sound. I also hear small > blits of static when I change consoles. I use sysmouse, but I hear no static > in X when the mouse cursor moves. I know nothing about the topic, but I think > there might be something up with the console/sound code... It's annoying to > have to not move the mouse to get clear audio. > > Jul 9 18:08:34 edgemaster /kernel: pcm0: port 0xe800-0xe81f irq 11 at device 17.0 on pci0 > Jul 9 18:08:34 edgemaster /kernel: sc0: on isa0 > Jul 9 18:08:34 edgemaster /kernel: sc0: VGA <24 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> > Jul 9 18:08:34 edgemaster /kernel: vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 > > (58) smkelly@edgemaster:~$ cat /dev/sndstat > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jul 9 2000 17:48:42 > Installed devices: > pcm0: at io 0xe800 irq 11 (1p/0r channels duplex) > (59) smkelly@edgemaster:~$ > > I'd appreciate any information on this topic. > > -- > Sean Kelly or > PGP KeyID: 4AC781C7 ICQ UIN: 27955995 > EFAX: (603) 372-1638 IRC: drdink@SlashNET > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 22: 1: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0703A37BC9A; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:00:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel3.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83EDA302; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (p1000180.nsr.hp.com [15.109.0.180]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id WAA10971; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396AA9F7.264ACB5A@cup.hp.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:00:39 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: Vivek Khera , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels References: <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> <20000711103710.B21954@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > Agreed. I tried it out and found a number of things I didn't like > about it. Basically, it's a completely different build process: > > 1. Before building, it removes the existing kernel build tree. > There's no good reason for this. The buildkernel target is modelled after a buildworld. > 2. It builds in a different tree (/usr/obj instead of > /usr/src/sys/compile). These two points mean that if you later > want to go back and tune your kernel (change a driver parameter, > say), you can't just do a config; cd ../../compile/FOO; make, you > have to go the whole nine yards. The buildkernel target is designed solely for upgrading and cross-compiling purposes. > 3. It gives the kernel a different name. IIRC, this was to allow multiple kernel to be installed. > 4. It's just plain clumsy. There was to little time... I think the buildkernel and installkernel have been "promoted" to a function they are not designed for. I don't think these targets are fit to be "the only supported" targets and should not be advocated nor evaluated as such. -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 22: 2:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hecky.it.northwestern.edu (hecky.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E39C37B709 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:02:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djkanter@northwestern.edu) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by hecky.it.northwestern.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA21759 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:02:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (areca-36-028104.nuts.nwu.edu [165.124.28.104]) by hecky.acns.nwu.edu via smap (V2.0) id xmaa21204; Tue, 11 Jul 00 00:01:35 -0500 Received: (from david@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA47280 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:36:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from david) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:36:16 -0500 From: "David J. Kanter" To: FreeBSD stable Subject: "config>" errors after upgrading Message-ID: <20000710223616.A47265@localhost.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD stable Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i X-Organization: Northwestern University X-Operating-System: FreeBSD localhost.localdomain 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After going from 3.5 to 4.0-STABLE, I get these error messages during boot up: config> pnp 1 0 bios irq0 3 irq1 0 drq0 4 drq1 4 port0 760 Invalid command or syntax. Type ?' for help. config> q What do these errors mean, how can I fix them, and do I even need to fix them? Things seem OK, but you never know. -- David Kanter djkanter@northwestern.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 22: 2:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hecky.it.northwestern.edu (hecky.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359F837BCC2 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:02:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djkanter@northwestern.edu) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by hecky.it.northwestern.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA21758; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:02:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (areca-36-028104.nuts.nwu.edu [165.124.28.104]) by hecky.acns.nwu.edu via smap (V2.0) id xmab21204; Tue, 11 Jul 00 00:01:37 -0500 Received: (from david@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA47258; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:32:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from david) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:32:12 -0500 From: "David J. Kanter" To: Lowell Gilbert Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Minor issues after upgrade to 4.0-Stable Message-ID: <20000710223212.D46923@localhost.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: Lowell Gilbert , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000709115754.A289@localhost.localdomain> <3968B580.F6B1A5@3-cities.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from lowell@world.std.com on Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 08:47:38AM -0400 X-Organization: Northwestern University X-Operating-System: FreeBSD localhost.localdomain 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 08:47:38AM -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > > > 2. WindowMaker's wmnet isn't working right. I have wmnet -i tun0 start up > > > automatically, but it starts up with the ppp0 device. And, none of my > > > tunneling devices show up if I cycle through all the devices on the wmnet > > > app. If I type, at the shell, wmnet -i tun0, it'll show up. All the other > > > devices show up, like faith, etc., too. > > I have never used or installed either of these programs, but they might need > to be rebuilt because of changes elsewhere in the system. The latter, in > particular, sounds like it may be depending on devices in the kernel... ---end quoted text--- Everything is magically working fine today. I don't know why. Maybe something, like a cron job, cleaned things up. I don't know, but I'm happy. -- David Kanter djkanter@northwestern.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 22: 5: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5EEC37BD3F; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:04:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA62535; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:04:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:04:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: Greg Lehey , Vivek Khera , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: <396AA9F7.264ACB5A@cup.hp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > I think the buildkernel and installkernel have been "promoted" to a > function they are not designed for. I don't think these targets are fit > to be "the only supported" targets and should not be advocated nor > evaluated as such. Perhaps you and Greg would like to take over the role of answering all support questions of the form "my kernel doesn't build after I updated my sources"? Didn't think so. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 22: 9:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1155537BCFE; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:09:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23752; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:39:34 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:39:34 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , Vivek Khera , stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Message-ID: <20000711143934.I23115@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <396AA9F7.264ACB5A@cup.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 10 July 2000 at 22:04:58 -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > >> I think the buildkernel and installkernel have been "promoted" to a >> function they are not designed for. I don't think these targets are fit >> to be "the only supported" targets and should not be advocated nor >> evaluated as such. > > Perhaps you and Greg would like to take over the role of answering all > support questions of the form "my kernel doesn't build after I updated my > sources"? Didn't think so. Why not? Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 22:16:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8403137B5A7; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:16:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA67746; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:16:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:16:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Greg Lehey Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: <20000711143934.I23115@wantadilla.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Monday, 10 July 2000 at 22:04:58 -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > >> I think the buildkernel and installkernel have been "promoted" to a > >> function they are not designed for. I don't think these targets are fit > >> to be "the only supported" targets and should not be advocated nor > >> evaluated as such. > > > > Perhaps you and Greg would like to take over the role of answering all > > support questions of the form "my kernel doesn't build after I updated my > > sources"? Didn't think so. > > Why not? Well, I didn't see you very active with the 20-odd people who posted the same build error this time around. And I think it makes much more sense to teach people to use a tool which won't have dependency problems in the first place than to catch them all individually once they've tried what they knew and failed, and resorted to asking for help. But if you're going to make a commitment to answer each and every one of them every time this problem recurs, on every support forum, then I suppose it amounts to more or less the same thing in the end. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 22:19:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web3103.mail.yahoo.com (web3103.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B18237B9AD for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:19:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsstan@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20000711051912.20018.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.141.200.60] by web3103.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:19:12 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:19:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Stanaford Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --- Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > I think the buildkernel and installkernel have been "promoted" to a > function they are not designed for. I don't think these targets are fit > to be "the only supported" targets and should not be advocated nor > evaluated as such. So we will have to continue to be judicious in the use of buildkernel... i.e only in the context of tracking changes committed to STABLE. Changes to the local system, such as hardware upgrades, will require rebuilding the kernel with the "old" method. Right? In other words, is now more than one way to hang ourselves. We just need to make sure to choose the correct rope. *snicker* 8-) -Richard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 22:19:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web3103.mail.yahoo.com (web3103.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B45637BC9A for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:19:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsstan@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20000711051912.20018.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.141.200.60] by web3103.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:19:12 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:19:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Stanaford Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --- Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > I think the buildkernel and installkernel have been "promoted" to a > function they are not designed for. I don't think these targets are fit > to be "the only supported" targets and should not be advocated nor > evaluated as such. So we will have to continue to be judicious in the use of buildkernel... i.e only in the context of tracking changes committed to STABLE. Changes to the local system, such as hardware upgrades, will require rebuilding the kernel with the "old" method. Right? In other words, is now more than one way to hang ourselves. We just need to make sure to choose the correct rope. *snicker* 8-) -Richard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 22:29:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC4D37B5A7; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:29:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B1E3E6; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (p1000180.nsr.hp.com [15.109.0.180]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id WAA11875; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:29:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396AB0AA.4A4436B8@cup.hp.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:29:14 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Greg Lehey , Vivek Khera , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > I think the buildkernel and installkernel have been "promoted" to a > > function they are not designed for. I don't think these targets are fit > > to be "the only supported" targets and should not be advocated nor > > evaluated as such. > > Perhaps you and Greg would like to take over the role of answering all > support questions of the form "my kernel doesn't build after I updated my > sources"? Didn't think so. You're not being fair and you know it... I understand why these targets are choosen as the supported way to build a kernel. The problem is that it is starting to get a live of its own. I think we'd be better of if we evaluate what we need for our userbase to conveniently build kernels (in a way that helps us support our userbase) and see if we can improve the buildkernel/installkernel targets for that or otherwise create other means. Currently you need to have done a buildworld before you can do a buildkernel. I think this should not be the case for a generic (supported) procedure. Secondly, I don't think our supported procedure should necessarily be designed to support kernel-developers; they do it their own way anyway. Feel free to add any suggestions you have... -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 22:35: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1436137B6A8; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:35:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA69389; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:35:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:35:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: Greg Lehey , Vivek Khera , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels In-Reply-To: <396AB0AA.4A4436B8@cup.hp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > You're not being fair and you know it... In the context of this discussion (using the tools available at present to provide a trouble-free kernel build) I think I was being quite fair. > I understand why these targets are choosen as the supported way to build > a kernel. The problem is that it is starting to get a live of its own. I > think we'd be better of if we evaluate what we need for our userbase to > conveniently build kernels (in a way that helps us support our userbase) > and see if we can improve the buildkernel/installkernel targets for that > or otherwise create other means. Okay, so this is a separate issue. Perhaps we can come up with a better way to handle the dependency problem, but the fact remains that at present there is no other way short of fighting a losing battle with mailing list support after the fact, and so people should be using the buildkernel target if they want their kernel builds to work across upgrades. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 22:42: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E0E37B5A7 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:42:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel3.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DECB3C1; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (p1000180.nsr.hp.com [15.109.0.180]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id WAA12219; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396AB3B0.7B2608BB@cup.hp.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:42:08 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Stanaford Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels References: <20000711051912.20018.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Richard Stanaford wrote: > > > I think the buildkernel and installkernel have been "promoted" to a > > function they are not designed for. I don't think these targets are fit > > to be "the only supported" targets and should not be advocated nor > > evaluated as such. > > So we will have to continue to be judicious in the use of buildkernel... i.e > only in the context of tracking changes committed to STABLE. Changes to the > local system, such as hardware upgrades, will require rebuilding the kernel > with the "old" method. Right? The buildkernel/installkernel targets can be used most (if not all) of the time. The problem I'm seeing is more of user friendlyness and/or fault tolerancy. They are currently also behaving a bit differently than when building a kernel by hand (ie the actual way). These issues need to be addressed first before you promote these targets as "the one and only supported" procedures. > In other words, is now more than one way to hang ourselves. We just need to > make sure to choose the correct rope. *snicker* 8-) No. Either rope is evenly correct to hang yourself. You need to choose the correct situation :-) -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 23: 2: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vulcan.addy.com (vulcan.addy.com [208.11.142.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D78E37B506; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:02:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by vulcan.addy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA36394; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:01:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200007110601.CAA36394@vulcan.addy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Jeff Wyman" , "Vivek Khera" Cc: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Kris Kennaway" Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:00:59 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: why new buildkernel (was HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' ..." Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 05:34:10 -0700 (PDT), Jeff Wyman wrote: >The buildkernel process is used _during_ an upgrade. After the >new 4.0 kernel has been booted and appropriate changes have been made to >the system, kernels may be built successfully in the traditional way. Why is this new procedure necessary. I recall reading is because of some new additions, but what were these additions (I have seen the name, but have no clue what they are.. binutils?) and why the new, more cumbersome, procedure? francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 23: 4:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.comnet.bg (ns.comnet.bg [212.5.158.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB7437B84B for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:04:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Hristo@BGINFO.NET) Received: from BGINFO.NET (rojen.comnet.bg [212.5.158.12]) by ns.comnet.bg (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6B670973787; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:07:00 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <396AB7F5.2AC21971@BGINFO.NET> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:00:21 +0300 From: Hristo Grigorov X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: bg, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug White Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SYN+FIN counter References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F12C380BE62BBFE1E54F84C2" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F12C380BE62BBFE1E54F84C2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, my questions seems unclear... I know FreeBSD has an option to drop SYN+FIN packets but it does not has a counter of how much SYN+FIN packets were actually dropped. We may add a sysctl variable to count them or use some other way, I don't know. Doug White wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Hristo Grigorov wrote: > > > is it a good idea to have a counter for drop SYN+FIN actions available ? > > I think it's trivial to implement it but I am not sure... :) > > Already done; see LINT for the option. > > Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve > dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org --------------F12C380BE62BBFE1E54F84C2 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=koi8-r; name="Hristo.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Hristo Grigorov Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Hristo.vcf" begin:vcard n:Grigorov;Hristo tel;home:+359 56 685051 tel;work:+359 56 840644 x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;Slaveikov 16-3-2;Burgas;;8000;BULGARIA version:2.1 email;internet:Hristo@BGINFO.NET title: note;quoted-printable:Occupation info might not be valid=0D=0Aalready! x-mozilla-cpt:;-15040 fn:Hristo Grigorov end:vcard --------------F12C380BE62BBFE1E54F84C2-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 23:13:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77E937B78D; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:13:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21530; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:09:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200007110609.XAA21530@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: <396AA9F7.264ACB5A@cup.hp.com> from Marcel Moolenaar at "Jul 10, 0 10:00:39 pm" To: marcel@cup.hp.com (Marcel Moolenaar) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:09:34 -0700 (MST) Cc: grog@lemis.com, khera@kciLink.com, kris@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > The buildkernel target is designed solely for upgrading and > cross-compiling purposes. That's not what Kris is saying. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 23:15:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vulcan.addy.com (vulcan.addy.com [208.11.142.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAA237BCB7 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:15:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by vulcan.addy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA36717; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:15:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200007110615.CAA36717@vulcan.addy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Richard Stanaford" , "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Cc: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:14:01 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: <20000711051912.20018.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:19:12 -0700 (PDT), Richard Stanaford wrote: >So we will have to continue to be judicious in the use of buildkernel... i.e >only in the context of tracking changes committed to STABLE. Changes to the >local system, such as hardware upgrades, will require rebuilding the kernel >with the "old" method. Right? I am still a little confused with the whole process myself, but I do want to say one thing. The procedure is probably "different" from what we are used to, but there must have been reasons why it was introduced, and from what I read there wasn't much time... although I would hope that stable is not been done in a rush for the sole purpose of getting the lastest feature. After all it is supposed to be "stable". I think we should try to stick to constructive criticism. The one thing I am still unclear is where would one make changes? I used to make a copy of GENERIC and work on that. What do we need to change now? francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 23:21:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1684F37BC9D; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:21:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02650; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:20:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200007110620.XAA02650@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: <200007110340.VAA01221@harmony.village.org> from Warner Losh at "Jul 10, 2000 09:40:28 pm" To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Cc: gerti-freebsds@bitart.com, kris@FreeBSD.ORG (Kris Kennaway), stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message <20000710140838.9426.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> Gerd Knops writes: > : So what is the safest procedure for remote systems without terminal > : connection? > > Hop in the car, go there and do it on the console :-) For some of us that drive would be over 40 hours long, jets are much more practical :-) > Second safest: just do the installworld target -k after building and > installing a new kernel and reboot. Make sure you have a machine at > the rev you are updating locally to try this on before needing to the > update, otherwise you're back to step one. Third safest: Have local hands and eye's that can help recover things when/if things go wrong. -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 23:25:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E774337BC9D; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:25:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA75429; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:25:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:25:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Francisco Reyes Cc: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: why new buildkernel (was HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' ..." In-Reply-To: <200007110601.CAA36394@vulcan.addy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Francisco Reyes wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 05:34:10 -0700 (PDT), Jeff Wyman wrote: > > >The buildkernel process is used _during_ an upgrade. After the > >new 4.0 kernel has been booted and appropriate changes have been made to > >the system, kernels may be built successfully in the traditional way. > > Why is this new procedure necessary. > I recall reading is because of some new additions, but what were > these additions (I have seen the name, but have no clue what > they are.. binutils?) and why the new, more cumbersome, > procedure? From time to time the kernel build may depend on tools which are not yet installed on the system, for example new versions of the compiler or assembler (as was the case recently, which sparked this discussion). You can either try and identify and install all of the new bits by hand prior to building your kernel, or use buildkernel which uses the correct tools automatically. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 23:26:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D1F37BCE0; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:26:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77101E2C; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (p1000180.nsr.hp.com [15.109.0.180]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id XAA13280; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:26:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396ABE06.7D41BB35@cup.hp.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:26:14 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Greg Lehey , Vivek Khera , stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > You're not being fair and you know it... > > In the context of this discussion (using the tools available at present to > provide a trouble-free kernel build) I think I was being quite fair. In any context you weren't fair, because you used your self-imposed responsibility as an argument and at the same time you were working on our feeling of guilt by emphasizing that we did not do any support in this case. The fact that it is therefore our fault that the burden was completely on your shoulders could not be misread even if it was between the lines... [or put differently: It isn't fair, because this is a mailinglist for *technical* discussions] *slap* -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 23:26:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hammerfell.dhs.org (edtn016328.hs.telusplanet.net [161.184.239.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6593437BCB2 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:26:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@hammerfell.dhs.org) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by hammerfell.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01093 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:30:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from root@hammerfell.dhs.org) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:30:22 -0600 (MDT) From: Charlie ROOT Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sound still messed up. In-Reply-To: <00071023054700.00375@pauler.lgtch02.fais.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sound works fine over here (3.4-R), but I have noticed noise on mouse and HD activity. Then again, I remember hearing such noises under Linux and Windoze, and have resigned myself to live with it until I: a) get a sound card with an external power supply, b) get a sound card with digital output, or c) take out the old soldering iron and attach a capacitor across the ISA bus power contacts. :) bash-2.03$ cat /dev/sndstat VoxWare Sound Driver:3.5-alpha15-970902 (Wed Aug 6 22:58:35 PDT 1997 Amancio Hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Config options: Installed drivers: Type 2: SoundBlaster Type 6: SoundBlaster16 Type 7: SB16 MIDI Card config: SoundBlaster at 0x220 irq 7 drq 1 SoundBlaster16 at 0xffffffff irq 1 drq 5 Audio devices: 0: SoundBlaster 16 4.5 Synth devices: Midi devices: Timers: 0: System clock Mixers: 0: SoundBlaster bash-2.03$ On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Justin W. Pauler wrote: > All I can add to this topic is that this driver works perfectly with only a > very few problems here. The audio is very clear, however, I do hear the small > amount of static when changing consoles, but I also remember having this > problem in Linux :P not being able to fix it there either. > > pauler# cat /dev/sndstat > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jul 9 2000 13:45:25 > Installed devices: > pcm0: at io 0x530 irq 5 drq 0:1 (1p/1r channels duplex) > pauler# > > Justin W. Pauler (jwpauler@jwpages.com) > JWPages Web Development (http://www.jwpages.com) > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 23:31:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1138937BE01; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:31:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA75940; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:31:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:31:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: "Chad R. Larson" Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , grog@lemis.com, khera@kciLink.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: <200007110609.XAA21530@freeway.dcfinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Chad R. Larson wrote: > As I recall, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > The buildkernel target is designed solely for upgrading and > > cross-compiling purposes. > > That's not what Kris is saying. Actually the "upgrading" bit is precisely what I was saying. It is true that buildkernel won't work in the case when you *haven't* upgraded your sources and haven't built world, and you just want to reconfigure your kernel with different options (because buildkernel relies on /usr/obj containing the required bits from buildworld), so in this case you have to use the old "config; make depend; make all; make install" method. Probably we can come up with something better which does everything - having two methods for the two cases of upgrading and simply recompiling your kernel is a bit confusing - but as things stand now there's no other foolproof way to build your kernels during an upgrade, which is the point I was trying to gte across. But that is off-topic for this mailing list and should be taken up on -arch. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 23:37: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D5CB37B6F3; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:37:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA76382; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:37:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:37:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: Greg Lehey , Vivek Khera , stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels In-Reply-To: <396ABE06.7D41BB35@cup.hp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > > > You're not being fair and you know it... > > > > In the context of this discussion (using the tools available at present to > > provide a trouble-free kernel build) I think I was being quite fair. > *slap* This is getting off-topic for -stable. I don't really have much interest in the mechanics of a "does it the right way" kernel build mechanism which handles tool dependencies, my only point was that when you're upgrading there's only one mechanism we *currently provide* which will DTRT. I posted because I was sick of the flood of questions after the binutils upgrade where people were finding their "config"-based mechanism wasn't working (and in some cases getting misleading or incorrect advice about how to fix it). I still maintain that people should use this for all upgrades because it is the only tool for the job, and this is the advice I'll be handing out to everyone until we have a better solution. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 23:38:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fedde.littleton.co.us (fedde.littleton.co.us [216.17.174.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E7837BCB2 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:38:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cfedde@fedde.littleton.co.us) Received: from fedde.littleton.co.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fedde.littleton.co.us (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) with ESMTP id e6B6ck600513 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:38:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007110638.e6B6ck600513@fedde.littleton.co.us> To: stable@freebsd.org From: Chris Fedde Subject: restarting buildworld Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:38:46 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there a way to start buildworld without having it remove and rebuild the /usr/obj directory? thanks chris -- Chris Fedde 303 773 9134 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 23:46:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from area51.slashnet.org (area51.slashnet.org [208.222.214.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A2E37BCFE for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:46:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from smkelly@zombie.org) Received: from edgemaster.zombie.org (cx497943-c.omhaw1.ne.home.com [24.7.36.238]) by area51.slashnet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516DF14D402 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by edgemaster.zombie.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9F78998D3; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:46:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:46:36 -0500 From: Sean Kelly To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sound still messed up. Message-ID: <20000711014636.A15926@edgemaster.zombie.org> References: <00071023054700.00375@pauler.lgtch02.fais.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from root@hammerfell.dhs.org on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 12:30:22AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 12:30:22AM -0600, Charlie ROOT wrote: > > Sound works fine over here (3.4-R), but I have noticed noise on mouse and > HD activity. Then again, I remember hearing such noises under Linux and > Windoze, and have resigned myself to live with it until I: > a) get a sound card with an external power supply, > b) get a sound card with digital output, or > c) take out the old soldering iron and attach a capacitor across the ISA > bus power contacts. I never had the mouse+console problem with the VoxWare drivers or In Linux on my old ISA PAS16 card, but now that I've got a SB128 and use newpcm, I notice it quite heavily when using the mouse. I'd try using the old voxware drivers again, but I have no idea how to use them for PCI cards or if it's even possible. I suppose it could actually be the new soundcard's fault, but that seems strange since the static never occurs in X when the mouse is moved, just on the text console. -- Sean Kelly or PGP KeyID: 4AC781C7 ICQ UIN: 27955995 EFAX: (603) 372-1638 IRC: drdink@SlashNET To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 10 23:47:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jason.argos.org (a13c249.neo.rr.com [204.210.212.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70CDB37BEBB; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:47:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@argos.org) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by jason.argos.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6B6kEK02609; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:46:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:46:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Nowlin To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Warner Losh , gerti-freebsds@bitart.com, Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: <200007110620.XAA02650@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > For some of us that drive would be over 40 hours long, jets are much > more practical :-) Just think of the benefits of the physical workout you'd get from walking! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Understated/funny man-page sentence of the current time period: From route(4) on FreeBSD-3.4, DESCRIPTION section: "FreeBSD provides some packet routing facilities." ...duh....... Mike Nowlin, N8NVW mike@argos.org http://www.viewsnet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 0:20:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E1B37BDB9 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@nwlink.com) Received: from utah (jcwells@utah.nwlink.com [209.20.130.41]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA26649; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:31:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcwells@utah To: Chris Fedde Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: restarting buildworld In-Reply-To: <200007110638.e6B6ck600513@fedde.littleton.co.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Chris Fedde wrote: > Is there a way to start buildworld without having it remove and rebuild the > /usr/obj directory? There are bunches of command line options in /usr/src/Makefile*. I believe the one you want is 'make -DNOCLEAN' but read the makefile to be sure. Thank you, Jason C. Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 0:32:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zipcode.corp.home.net (zipcode.corp.home.net [24.0.26.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96BFE37BB75 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:32:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from manek@nwserv.com) Received: from after (dialup28.home.net [24.0.25.28]) by zipcode.corp.home.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA12833 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:32:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Sameer R. Manek" To: Subject: unable to build 4.0-stable kernel Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:32:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been unable to build a kernel since Saturday afternoon. I even tried the new recommended procedures. make buildkernel KERNEL=Always I'd really appreciate it if whatever changes lead to this problem could be rolled back, or fixed as soon as possible. cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wst rict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/src/sys/. ./include -D_KERNEL -include pt_global.h -elf -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/bioscall.s /tmp/ccZ24513.s: Assembler messages: /tmp/ccZ24513.s:773: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 instruction /tmp/ccZ24513.s:838: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 instruction *** Error code 1 Sameer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 0:54:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from numeri.campus.luth.se (numeri.campus.luth.se [130.240.197.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B2437BC6F; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:54:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from k@numeri.campus.luth.se) Received: from numeri.campus.luth.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by numeri.campus.luth.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA71663; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:59:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from k@numeri.campus.luth.se) Message-Id: <200007110759.JAA71663@numeri.campus.luth.se> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: John Baldwin Cc: Stephen Montgomery-Smith , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, grog@lemis.com, khera@kciLink.com, kris@FreeBSD.ORG, marcel@cup.hp.com Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make y In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:13:28 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:59:49 +0200 From: Johan Karlsson Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi All, Can you please have a look at PR 17698 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=17698 which deals with some of the problems discussed in this thread. Marcel or Kris maybe one of you can consider commiting this patch. Please note that it is the patch in the audit-trail that should be used. If you can not get the patch from the PR you can get it from http://numeri.campus/~k/installkernel.diff At Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:13:28 PDT, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 10-Jul-00 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > Adam wrote: > >> > >> Stick kernel="/XXX" in /boot/loader.conf > >> > > > > OK, this had better be documented when the make installkernel is documented >. > > Actually, I think it's changed in -current so that the first kernel is > installed as /kernel and the others as /kernel.. > No it is not yet, but the patch in the PR mentioned above fixes that. /Johan K To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 1:31:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F99837B724; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:31:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p44-dn02kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.109]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id RAA15977; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:30:58 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <396ADB61.5736BF19@newsguy.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:31:29 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: Vivek Khera , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels References: <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> <20000711103710.B21954@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > > Agreed. I tried it out and found a number of things I didn't like > about it. Basically, it's a completely different build process: > > 1. Before building, it removes the existing kernel build tree. > There's no good reason for this. make buildkernel -DNOCLEAN See also: # -DNO_KERNELCONFIG do not run config in ${MAKE} buildkernel # -DNO_KERNELDEPEND do not run ${MAKE} depend in ${MAKE} buildkernel > 2. It builds in a different tree (/usr/obj instead of > /usr/src/sys/compile). Is this a problem by itself? Having a RO /usr/src is good. :-) > These two points mean that if you later > want to go back and tune your kernel (change a driver parameter, > say), you can't just do a config; cd ../../compile/FOO; make, you > have to go the whole nine yards. See #1. > 3. It gives the kernel a different name. It _installs_ kernel with a different name. That makes it possible for one to keep multiple kernels lying around / easily. Granted, few people need that. I heard that this has been corrected in -current now. If so, *PLEASE MERGE THIS ASAP TO STABLE*. Asking people on stable to change their ways twice over the same thing is asbolutely unreasonable. Personally, I prefer different names, even though it annoyed the hell out of me at first. Until I changed my /boot/loader.conf :). > 4. It's just plain clumsy. MMmmm? In what way? A single command line does all the work for me, including variations on running config, with and without -r, and making depend or not. Perhaps your average kernel building procedure is much more complex than mine was... -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@the.great.underground.bsdconpiracy.org _DES: The Book of Bruce has only one sentence in it, and it says "the actual directives of my cult are left as an exercise for the reader. Good luck." jkh: does it really include the 'good luck' part? EE: OK, I made that part up. EE: I figured it should sound a bit more cheery than how Bruce initially dictated it to me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 1:41: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wysoft.tzo.com (c481444-a.bremtn1.wa.home.com [24.12.235.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7A737B5A0; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:40:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wysoft@wysoft.tzo.com) Received: from localhost (wysoft@localhost) by wysoft.tzo.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6B8al803023; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:36:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Wyman To: Francisco Reyes Cc: Vivek Khera , "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" , Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: why new buildkernel (was HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' ..." In-Reply-To: <200007110601.CAA36394@vulcan.addy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Why is this new procedure necessary. > I recall reading is because of some new additions, but what were > these additions (I have seen the name, but have no clue what > they are.. binutils?) and why the new, more cumbersome, > procedure? > francisco > Moderator of the Corporate BSD list > http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate If you missed one of Kris Kennaway's previous messages about this, this is how he described it: --SNIP-- Buildkernel internally handles tool dependency problems, where the kernel build depends on tools which were built by make installworld, but not yet installed on the system. The alternative is to post a detailed list of which bits must be installed before you can build your new kernel, each time it happens, which is error-prone and subject to people not reading their mail (oops, which is exactly what happened this time around). --SNIP-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 1:59:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8751337B5CC; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 01:59:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31238; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:29:03 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:29:03 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: Vivek Khera , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Message-ID: <20000711182903.K23115@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> <20000711103710.B21954@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396ADB61.5736BF19@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <396ADB61.5736BF19@newsguy.com> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] On Tuesday, 11 July 2000 at 17:31:29 +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: >> >> Agreed. I tried it out and found a number of things I didn't like >> about it. Basically, it's a completely different build process: >> >> 1. Before building, it removes the existing kernel build tree. >> There's no good reason for this. > > make buildkernel -DNOCLEAN No, that makes clean the default, and that's wrong. > See also: > > # -DNO_KERNELCONFIG do not run config in ${MAKE} buildkernel > # -DNO_KERNELDEPEND do not run ${MAKE} depend in ${MAKE} buildkernel That's broken too. The whole idea of make is that you don't need to do a make clean under normal circumstances. But we're used to that when building a world. >> 2. It builds in a different tree (/usr/obj instead of >> /usr/src/sys/compile). > > Is this a problem by itself? Having a RO /usr/src is good. :-) Yes. We could agree to change the tree to /usr/obj, but it should be consistent whichever way you do it. In the process we should also use obj symlinks like other BSDs use: === grog@wantadilla (/dev/ttyp5) ~ 1 -> cd /src/OpenBSD/src/sbin/fsck === grog@wantadilla (/dev/ttyp5) /src/OpenBSD/src/sbin/fsck 2 -> l total 1 drwxr-xr-x 2 grog lemis 512 Apr 17 1999 CVS -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 171 Sep 22 1997 Makefile -r--r--r-- 1 grog lemis 421 Apr 18 1999 TRANS.TBL -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 3616 Mar 25 1999 fsck.8 -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 10548 Feb 28 1997 fsck.c -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 6034 Sep 9 1997 fsutil.c -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 2714 Oct 20 1996 fsutil.h lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 May 28 20:20 obj -> /usr/obj/sbin/fsck -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 1857 Oct 20 1996 pathnames.h -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 8734 Mar 25 1999 preen.c >> These two points mean that if you later >> want to go back and tune your kernel (change a driver parameter, >> say), you can't just do a config; cd ../../compile/FOO; make, you >> have to go the whole nine yards. > > See #1. OK. See point 1. >> 3. It gives the kernel a different name. > > It _installs_ kernel with a different name. It also builds it with a different name. > Personally, I prefer different names, even though it annoyed the hell > out of me at first. Until I changed my /boot/loader.conf :). Peter recently removed the possibility of different kernel names from config(8). I assume this is now done by a rename. At least we should agree whether the idea of differently named kernels is good or bad. >> 4. It's just plain clumsy. > > MMmmm? In what way? A single command line does all the work for me, > including variations on running config, with and without -r, and making > depend or not. Right, but you need to specify the name of the kernel. That's clumsy in my book. > Perhaps your average kernel building procedure is much more complex > than mine was... I don't think so. It used to be less complex. Greg -- When replying to this message, please take care not to mutilate the original text. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/email.html Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 2:15: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from postfix2.free.fr (postfix2.free.fr [212.27.32.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7C737B5CC; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:15:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jaco@titine.fr.eu.org) Received: from titine.fr.eu.org (toulouse-2-52-89.dial.proxad.net [213.228.52.89]) by postfix2.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7CA740E8; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:15:00 +0200 (MEST) Received: by titine.fr.eu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 43D0214D0B; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:02:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Attribution: Jaco To: John Baldwin Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make y References: From: Eric Jacoboni Date: 11 Jul 2000 11:02:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: John Baldwin's message of "Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:40:35 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: <87snthxcof.fsf@titine.fr.eu.org> Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "John" =3D=3D John Baldwin writes: John> Did you do a buildworld before running buildkernel, and are all your John> sources in sync? I always make world before making kernel. --=20 --------------------------------------------------------- =C9ric Jacoboni =AB No sport, cigars! =BB (W. Churchill) --------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 3: 2:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from apoq.skynet.be (apoq.skynet.be [195.238.2.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF6D37BE57; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:02:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by apoq.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 185B81F26F; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:02:36 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:03:34 +0200 To: Kris Kennaway , "Chad R. Larson" From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , grog@lemis.com, khera@kciLink.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 11:31 PM -0700 2000/7/10, Kris Kennaway wrote: > Actually the "upgrading" bit is precisely what I was saying. It is true > that buildkernel won't work in the case when you *haven't* upgraded your > sources and haven't built world, and you just want to reconfigure your > kernel with different options (because buildkernel relies on /usr/obj > containing the required bits from buildworld), so in this case you have to > use the old "config; make depend; make all; make install" method. I'm slightly confused by which method is appropriate when. Are you saying that if you've updated your sources via cvsup (or any other method), you should always use the new procedure, and otherwise use the old one? If so, can we get this incorporated into the short bullet-point list of steps required for "Staying Stable with FreeBSD"? In fact, it would appear to me that we are now starting to diverge rather significantly from section 18.4 of the Handbook. As I understand it, the procedure should now be: 1. If you have updated your sources, the process of building a kernel may depend on which version of certain tools may be installed. Therefore, the only safe way to build a kernel on such a machine is to do the following: make buildworld make buildkernel make installkernel shutdown (drop into single-user mode) make installworld mergemaster reboot These steps require that you have defined "KERNEL=WHATEVER" in /etc/make.conf. If you have not, you will need to add "kernel=WHATEVER" to the "make installkernel" command above. This will install the kernel /WHATEVER, and you will need to have "kernel=/WHATEVER" in /etc/bootloader.conf. 2. If you have not updated your sources and just want to rebuild the kernel with the sources you already have, use the standard procedure: config WHATEVER cd ../../compile/WHATEVER make depend make make install However, if you have problems, you should try re-running this process with "config -r WHATEVER" to clean out the remnants of the old build tree and to clean out any potential cruft. Do not report problems to the mailing lists with kernels you have built, if you have not configured them with "config -r". Note that the steps given in #1 above will install a copy of the GENERIC kernel. If you have a customized kernel, you'll need to follow those instructions to install the GENERIC kernel, and then follow the steps in #2 above to install your customized kernel. Also note that if you run into problems anywhere along any part of either of these processes, ensure that you are not passing the "-j4" (or any other "-j#" argument) to make. If you are, then start over from the beginning, this time omitting the "-j4" argument to cause a parallel make. While using "-j4" usually works, there are sometimes problems with it. Do not report any problems to the mailing lists with a "make world", "make buildworld", or a kernel build that was done with a "-j4" argument passed to make. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 3:30:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE83437B5FD; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:30:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA95623; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:30:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:30:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Brad Knowles Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Brad Knowles wrote: > I'm slightly confused by which method is appropriate when. Your summary looks good (except the boot loader config file is /boot/loader.conf). Something like this should be committed to the docs - could you resubmit this to doc@freebsd.org? Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 3:40:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from survis.surfnet.nl (survis.surfnet.nl [192.87.108.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0446437B988; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:40:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Ronald.vanderPol@surfnet.nl) Received: from spock.ncc-1701.surfnet.nl ([192.87.111.34]) by survis.surfnet.nl with ESMTP (exPP) id 13BxSS-0002op-00; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:40:08 +0200 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:41:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Ronald.vanderPol@surfnet.nl X-Sender: rvdp@spock.ncc-1701.surfnet.nl To: Kris Kennaway Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, snap-users@kame.net Subject: Re: which version of KAME in FreeBSD 4.1? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organisation: SURFnet bv Address: "Radboudburcht, P.O. Box 19035, 3501 DA Utrecht, NL" Phone: +31 302 305 305 Telefax: +31 302 305 329 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote: > That's a good question. -current has KAME from 07/01, but -stable still > has the same KAME code that was in 4.0. I'm intending to merge it across > in the next few days since the newer code supports the use of racoon, > KAME's IKE daemon. Would you be able to help verify the new code prior to > the release of 4.1, once it's merged back? Yes, sure. I suppose this means upgrading to a beta of 4.1? I have a few machines I can use for this. I can test IPv6 and IPv4sec. I have no experience with racoon or IPv6sec yet. rvdp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 3:50:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr2.ruhr.de [141.39.224.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 80DE437B999 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:50:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 51550 invoked by alias); 11 Jul 2000 10:50:37 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17572; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:42:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ue) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:42:47 +0200 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make your kernels Message-ID: <20000711124247.B9983@nathan.ruhr.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from blk@skynet.be on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 11:03:34AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 11:03:34AM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: > These steps require that you have defined "KERNEL=WHATEVER" > in /etc/make.conf. If you have not, you will need to add > "kernel=WHATEVER" to the "make installkernel" command above. According to my experience, "KERNEL=WHATEVER" is need for make buildkernel and make installkernel. /s/Udo -- "People who claim Windows in superior to Unix are the same people who'd argue that you better use your hand instead of toilet paper to wipe your ass. I can hear them now - 'It's colourful and it's intuitive and easy to use and even a child could do it.'". To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 3:52:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from morpheus.skynet.be (morpheus.skynet.be [195.238.2.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249EB37B999; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:52:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by morpheus.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1327DA6F; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:52:23 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:38:23 +0200 To: Kris Kennaway From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 3:30 AM -0700 2000/7/11, Kris Kennaway wrote: > Your summary looks good (except the boot loader config file is > /boot/loader.conf). Something like this should be committed to the docs - > could you resubmit this to doc@freebsd.org? I can do that, however part of the point I was trying to make is that the new procedure is rather more complex than what we had been doing so far, and that perhaps this process should be improved. ;-) -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 4: 1:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from morpheus.skynet.be (morpheus.skynet.be [195.238.2.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF7937B95B for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:01:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by morpheus.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8012BD990; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:00:46 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000711124247.B9983@nathan.ruhr.de> References: <20000711124247.B9983@nathan.ruhr.de> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:58:32 +0200 To: Udo Erdelhoff , stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make your kernels Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:42 PM +0200 2000/7/11, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > According to my experience, "KERNEL=WHATEVER" is need for make buildkernel > and make installkernel. I kinda figured it would be, but then I haven't yet actually tried the instructions given -- I cvsup'ed just before Kris made the binutils change, and therefore didn't know about the new procedures until I heard others having problems. This should allow you to skip a second kernel build process, won't it? I mean, buildkernel and installkernel are intelligent enough to pull the correct kernel config out of /usr/src/sys/i386/conf and DTRT, right? If so, I will be glad to submit slightly updated changes to docs@freebsd.org. Thanks! -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 4:31:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fling.sanbi.ac.za (fling.sanbi.ac.za [196.38.142.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C25937BF34 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:31:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pvh@egenetics.com) Received: from pvh (helo=localhost) by fling.sanbi.ac.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.13 #4) id 13ByEV-0007WI-00; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:29:47 +0200 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:29:47 +0200 (SAST) From: Peter van Heusden X-Sender: pvh@fling.sanbi.ac.za To: Brad Knowles Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make your kernels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Brad Knowles wrote: > This should allow you to skip a second kernel build process, > won't it? I mean, buildkernel and installkernel are intelligent > enough to pull the correct kernel config out of > /usr/src/sys/i386/conf and DTRT, right? from Makefile.inc1: BUILDKERNELS= INSTALLKERNEL= .for _kernel in ${KERNEL} .if exists(${KRNLCONFDIR}/${_kernel}) BUILDKERNELS+= ${_kernel} .if empty(INSTALLKERNEL) INSTALLKERNEL= ${_kernel} .endif .endif .endfor ... buildkernel: @echo @echo "--------------------------------------------------------------" @echo ">>> Rebuilding kernel(s)" @echo "--------------------------------------------------------------" .for _kernel in ${BUILDKERNELS} @echo "===> ${_kernel}" mkdir -p ${KRNLOBJDIR} cd ${KRNLCONFDIR}; \ PATH=${TMPPATH} \ config ${CONFIGARGS} -d ${KRNLOBJDIR}/${_kernel} ... so, the kernels built are defined by KERNEL - there is no default. Personally, I can certainly live with this procedure, now that it has been explained adaquately. My only (minor) concern, from a useability point of view, is that there is no default BUILDKERNEL value - shouldn't it default to GENERIC if nothing else is specified? That way you won't actually be able to do a 'buildkernel' without building a kernel. Peter -- Peter van Heusden NOTE: I do not speak for my employer, Electric Genetics "Criticism has torn up the imaginary flowers from the chain not so that man shall wear the unadorned, bleak chain but so that he will shake off the chain and pluck the living flower." - Karl Marx, 1844 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 5:10:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.htwm.de (mail.htwm.de [141.55.192.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4505D37B564 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:10:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gmoeller@HTWM.De) Received: from sulaco.mcn.htwm.de (mcn-r1.misc.htwm.de [141.55.101.23]) by mail.htwm.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17228 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:10:11 +0200 Received: (from bommel@localhost) by sulaco.mcn.htwm.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA60048 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:10:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bommel) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:10:14 +0200 From: Gregor Moeller To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sound still messed up. Message-ID: <20000711141014.A59006@sulaco.mcn.htwm.de> Reply-To: gmoeller@HTWM.De Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000710160707.J18611@pir.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000710160707.J18611@pir.net>; from pir@pir.net on Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 04:07:08PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jul 10, 2000, Peter Radcliffe wrote: > The Vibra16pnp in this machine still generates static every 10th open > of so; Exactly the same here (i would say every 3rd open). But now after a recent cvsup and make world/kernel sound output hangs immediately after starting playback. Problem reports related to the loud static: http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=17542 (2000/03/30) http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=17923 (2000/04/10) http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19612 (2000/06/30) GM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 5:39:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lcremeans.erols.com (lcremeans.erols.com [216.164.87.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA7E637B582; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:39:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lee@lcremeans.erols.com) Received: (from lee@localhost) by lcremeans.erols.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10036; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:40:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lee) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:40:14 -0400 From: Lee Cremeans To: stable@freebsd.org, multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: newpcm and RealPlayer woes Message-ID: <20000711044014.A8062@lcremeans.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-OS: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE Organization: My room? Are you crazy? :) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been using the newpcm drivers for some time, and they seem to work with most things, but I've noticed some problems, specifically with the RealPlayer 7 Beta for linux. The sound seems to jump at the beginning of a stream, leaving it at least 3-4 seconds behind the counter and any video content. This makes video streams hard to watch, and also cuts off local streams early. Also, on remote streams, the sound clicks and squeals loudly about 1-2 seconds into the stream, and the stream stays out of sync with the RealPlayer counter the whole time. I have a PR open on this, misc/18728. All of this seems to have started happening around the time of the May 12 MFC, it looks like. I don't know enough about how newpcm works to be able to offer any advice on fixing the code, but I'd be willing to take a look at it in my spare time, and I can try any patches someone can come up with. I have my dmesg pasted below; this is from -STABLE CVSupped Sunday night. -lee ---cut here-- Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Tue Jul 11 04:10:20 EDT 2000 root@lcremeans.erols.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/LEE Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz Timecounter "TSC" frequency 400910252 Hz CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D+ Processor (400.91-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x591 Stepping = 1 Features=0x8021bf AMD Features=0x80000800 real memory = 134217728 (131072K bytes) avail memory = 127434752 (124448K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "LEE" at 0xc02e7000. VESA: v2.0, 8192k memory, flags:0x1, mode table:0xc0293e82 (1000022) VESA: Matrox Graphics Inc. K6-family MTRR support enabled (2 registers) npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pcib2: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib2 pci1: at 0.0 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xd000-0xd00f at device 7.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 pci0: at 7.2 irq 11 fxp0: port 0xd800-0xd81f mem 0xe8800000-0xe88fffff,0xe8901000-0xe8901fff irq 9 at device 8.0 on pci0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:a0:c9:76:92:a7, 10Mbps sym0: <875> port 0xdc00-0xdcff mem 0xe8900000-0xe8900fff,0xe8904000-0xe89040ff irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci0 sym0: Symbios NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking sym0: open drain IRQ line driver, using on-chip SRAM sym0: using LOAD/STORE-based firmware. sym1: <875> port 0xe000-0xe0ff mem 0xe8903000-0xe8903fff,0xe8902000-0xe89020ff irq 9 at device 9.1 on pci0 sym1: Symbios NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking sym1: open drain IRQ line driver, using on-chip SRAM sym1: using LOAD/STORE-based firmware. pcib1: on motherboard pci2: on pcib1 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model MouseMan+, device ID 0 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 sio1: type 16550A ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/15 bytes threshold lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port sb0 at port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa0 snd0: sb0: driver is using old-style compatability shims sbxvi0 at port 0xffffffff drq 5 on isa0 isa_compat: didn't get ports for sbxvi snd0: WARNING: "snd" is usurping "snd"'s cdevsw[] sbxvi0: driver is using old-style compatability shims sbmidi0 at port 0x330 on isa0 snd0: WARNING: "snd" is usurping "snd"'s cdevsw[] sbmidi0: driver is using old-style compatability shims awe0 at port 0x620 on isa0 awe0: WARNING: "snd" is usurping "snd"'s cdevsw[] awe0: driver is using old-style compatability shims ad0: 8693MB [17662/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33 acd0: CDROM at ata1-master using WDMA2 afd0: 120MB [963/8/32] at ata1-slave using PIO2 Waiting 10 seconds for SCSI devices to settle (noperiph:sym0:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered. (noperiph:sym1:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered. sa0 at sym1 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 sa0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device sa0: 3.300MB/s transfers pass1 at sym1 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 pass1: Fixed Scanner SCSI-2 device pass1: 3.300MB/s transfers Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a cd0 at sym1 bus 0 target 4 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15) cd0: cd present [1 x 2048 byte records] -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lee Cremeans -- Manassas, VA, USA (WakkyMouse on WTnet) | | lcremeans@erols.com | http://wakky.dyndns.org/~lee | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 5:50:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from trinity.skynet.be (trinity.skynet.be [195.238.2.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D073F37BF8C for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:50:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by trinity.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A4B18072; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:50:13 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:39:00 +0200 To: Peter van Heusden From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make your kernels Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 1:29 PM +0200 2000/7/11, Peter van Heusden wrote: > My only (minor) concern, from a useability point of view, is that there is > no default BUILDKERNEL value - shouldn't it default to GENERIC if nothing > else is specified? That way you won't actually be able to do a > 'buildkernel' without building a kernel. Hmm. Good idea. Until then, this needs to be mentioned in the documentation. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 6: 1:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.mdanderson.org (mail.mdacc.tmc.edu [143.111.87.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54EE37BA64; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 06:01:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fosburgh@flash.net) Received: from jefnt (jef-nt.mdacc.tmc.edu [143.111.64.202]) by mail.mdanderson.org (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA29733; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:53:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <013a01bfeb37$855063b0$ca406f8f@mdacc.tmc.edu> From: "Jonathan Fosburgh" To: "Jeff Wyman" , "Francisco Reyes" Cc: "Vivek Khera" , , "Kris Kennaway" References: Subject: Re: why new buildkernel (was HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel'..." Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:57:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Wyman" To: "Francisco Reyes" Cc: "Vivek Khera" ; ; "Kris Kennaway" Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 3:36 AM Subject: Re: why new buildkernel (was HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel'..." > > Why is this new procedure necessary. > > I recall reading is because of some new additions, but what were > > these additions (I have seen the name, but have no clue what > > they are.. binutils?) and why the new, more cumbersome, > > procedure? > > francisco > > Moderator of the Corporate BSD list > > http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate > > If you missed one of Kris Kennaway's previous messages about this, this is > how he described it: > > --SNIP-- > Buildkernel internally handles tool dependency problems, where the kernel > build depends on tools which were built by make installworld, but not yet > installed on the system. The alternative is to post a detailed list of > which bits must be installed before you can build your new kernel, each > time it happens, which is error-prone and subject to people not reading > their mail (oops, which is exactly what happened this time around). > --SNIP-- > Can someone (who is knowledgable enough to explain it properly, otherwise I would make a go at it) put this in handbook/makeworld.html? I just read it and it still says to do your kernel upgrade after doing make world (or make installworld). There is a -CURRENT section in there detailing -j4, so why not a 4.0-STABLE (and higher) section detailing this change to the kernel building procedure and why it is now preferred over make world/installworld and then kernel config/make depend/make/make install kernel building procedure? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 7: 4:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A37337C07A; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:04:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bandix@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03451; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:04:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:04:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Greg Lehey , Marcel Moolenaar , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote: >Well, I didn't see you very active with the 20-odd people who posted the >same build error this time around. And I think it makes much more sense to >teach people to use a tool which won't have dependency problems in the >first place than to catch them all individually once they've tried what >they knew and failed, and resorted to asking for help. But if you're going >to make a commitment to answer each and every one of them every time this >problem recurs, on every support forum, then I suppose it amounts to more >or less the same thing in the end. Kris, You have some very valid concerns from a support perspective, and I respect that. What I believe you are failing to take into account is the fact that the buildkernel target requires a full source repository and object tree. It is not that people object to a /usr/src level target for kernel builds, they object to the idea that The FreeBSD Project would require all users to have an entire source tree and object tree for something as common as a kernel build. Often users chose to stay with -RELEASE and those users need to be able to install only src-sys from their RELEASE CDROMs and build and install custom kernels. It would be a bit obtuse to do a full buildworld in order to obtain an object tree if one was planning on staying with -RELEASE code. The only way I can see making it feasible to for the buildworld target to be universally supported is to implement some sort of a check to see whether or not the version of the kernel code is different from that of the currently running kernel. If that is the case, then an object tree should be required. Otherwise buildkernel should use the build tools from the running system. Brandon D. Valentine -- bandix at looksharp.net | bandix at structbio.vanderbilt.edu "Truth suffers from too much analysis." -- Ancient Fremen Saying To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 7:40: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kci.kciLink.com (kci.kciLink.com [204.117.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC45837B7ED for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:39:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: from onceler.kcilink.com (onceler.kciLink.com [204.117.82.2]) by kci.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41BF2E8D2; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from khera@localhost) by onceler.kcilink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA77325; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:39:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from khera@kci.kcilink.com) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14699.12733.131591.622842@onceler.kcilink.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:39:57 -0400 (EDT) To: Warner Losh Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: <200007110342.VAA01241@harmony.village.org> References: <14698.17321.468903.642899@onceler.kcilink.com> <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> <200007110342.VAA01241@harmony.village.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 9) "Canyonlands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "WL" == Warner Losh writes: WL> In message <14698.17321.468903.642899@onceler.kcilink.com> Vivek Khera writes: WL> : So if I don't have a "buildworld" /usr/obj tree sitting around, I am WL> : not supported to build a new kernel for my existing system, say, to WL> : add a new SCSI controller to a server? WL> No. You misunderstand. The buildkernel is only needed when you are I don't think I misunderstood what was said. What was said was that the only supported way of building a kernel was "make buildkernel" and I was pointing out why that could be an issue. WL> updating your kernel. If you do not update the sources via cvs, cvsup WL> or other means, then you can just cd to the src/compile/FOO directory So the final result of the discussion seems to be: 1) after upgrading sources (ie, make buildworld of any sort) use "make buildkernel" to build your kernel 2) any other times, you can use the traditional build process Correct? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 7:43: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (ha1.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5483737B7ED; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:43:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by mail.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000711144244.EJC24539.mail.rdc1.il.home.com@math.missouri.edu>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:42:44 -0700 Message-ID: <396B3225.EBD312FD@math.missouri.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:41:41 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: Vivek Khera , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels References: <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> <20000711103710.B21954@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > > 3. It gives the kernel a different name. > Suppose you happen to have a kernel name like dev or etc. You would have problems then. :-) -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith Department of Mathematics, University of Missouri, Columbia, MO 65211 Phone 573-882-4540, fax 573-882-1869 http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen stephen@math.missouri.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 7:46:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from morpheus.skynet.be (morpheus.skynet.be [195.238.2.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B2537C031 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:46:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by morpheus.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94E6D9A9; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:46:04 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <14699.12733.131591.622842@onceler.kcilink.com> References: <14698.17321.468903.642899@onceler.kcilink.com> <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> <200007110342.VAA01241@harmony.village.org> <14699.12733.131591.622842@onceler.kcilink.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:45:21 +0200 To: Vivek Khera , Warner Losh From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:39 AM -0400 2000/7/11, Vivek Khera wrote: > So the final result of the discussion seems to be: > > 1) after upgrading sources (ie, make buildworld of any sort) use "make > buildkernel" to build your kernel > > 2) any other times, you can use the traditional build process > > Correct? Right. I'm trying to get the exact set of steps (and related comments, such as "don't report errors if you fed '-j4' to make", etc...) consolidated and fed to docs@freebsd.org, for use in updating the Handbook. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 7:47:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from epsilon.lucida.qc.ca (epsilon.lucida.qc.ca [216.95.146.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 94F9937C070 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:47:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET) Received: (qmail 49255 invoked by uid 1000); 11 Jul 2000 14:47:13 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 14:47:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:47:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Heckaman X-Sender: matt@epsilon.lucida.qc.ca To: Lee Cremeans Cc: stable@freebsd.org, multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newpcm and RealPlayer woes In-Reply-To: <20000711044014.A8062@lcremeans.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost 1.6.2 0/1000/N Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Lee Cremeans wrote: : : I've been using the newpcm drivers for some time, and they seem to work with : most things, but I've noticed some problems, specifically with the : RealPlayer 7 Beta for linux. The sound seems to jump at the beginning of a : stream, leaving it at least 3-4 seconds behind the counter and any video : content. This makes video streams hard to watch, and also cuts off local : streams early. Also, on remote streams, the sound clicks and squeals loudly : about 1-2 seconds into the stream, and the stream stays out of sync with the : RealPlayer counter the whole time. I have a PR open on this, misc/18728. Hmm.. I never noticed it before, but it would appear that I have the same problem. Though it MAY just be the stream, I only tried with two *remote* streams as I have no local ones to test. I found that video content was about 4 seconds behind the audio content.. I do not have any of the 'weird sound' problem though. I did through XMMS but their new version fixed that out. Similar problems occured with things that used certain mixers. I believe this was an issue of the *program* not the OS. Either way, xmms 1.2.x fixed it. : All of this seems to have started happening around the time of the May 12 : MFC, it looks like. I don't know enough about how newpcm works to be able to : offer any advice on fixing the code, but I'd be willing to take a look at it : in my spare time, and I can try any patches someone can come up with. I have : my dmesg pasted below; this is from -STABLE CVSupped Sunday night. My CVSup last was May 30 2000. : -lee I've attached my dmesg incase there are some similarities. Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Mon Jul 3 00:26:07 EDT 2000 root@epsilon.lucida.qc.ca:/opt/FreeBSD-src/sys/compile/EPSILON Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz Timecounter "TSC" frequency 400910368 Hz CPU: Pentium II/Pentium II Xeon/Celeron (400.91-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x660 Stepping = 0 Features=0x183f9ff real memory = 268369920 (262080K bytes) avail memory = 258084864 (252036K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02ba000. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 pci1: at 0.0 irq 11 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xf000-0xf00f at device 7.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 pci0: at 7.2 irq 10 chip1: port 0x5000-0x500f at device 7.3 on pci0 xl0: <3Com 3c905B-TX Fast Etherlink XL> port 0xe400-0xe47f mem 0xea000000-0xea00007f irq 10 at device 11.0 on pci0 xl0: Ethernet address: 00:10:4b:0f:e6:b6 miibus0: on xl0 xlphy0: <3Com internal media interface> on miibus0 xlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 sio1: type 16550A ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/16 bytes threshold ppi0: on ppbus0 sbc0: at port 0x220-0x22f,0x330-0x331,0x388-0x38b irq 5 drq 1,5 on isa0 sbc0: setting card to irq 5, drq 1, 5 pcm0: on sbc0 unknown0: at port 0x200-0x207 on isa0 IP packet filtering initialized, divert disabled, rule-based forwarding disabled, default to accept, logging disabled ad0: 8063MB [16383/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33 ad1: 8063MB [16383/16/63] at ata0-slave using UDMA33 acd0: CDROM at ata1-master using PIO4 Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a * Matt Heckaman - mailto:matt@lucida.qc.ca http://www.lucida.qc.ca/ * * GPG fingerprint - A9BC F3A8 278E 22F2 9BDA BFCF 74C3 2D31 C035 5390 * -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (FreeBSD) Comment: http://www.lucida.qc.ca/pgp iD8DBQE5azNwdMMtMcA1U5ARApeSAJ9QzfibRk07/txywVRL2xfqAwr0qQCeLYJT YpreSBErCLIxuzbWRe+pJyk= =OBUt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 7:47:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kci.kciLink.com (kci.kciLink.com [204.117.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDBB737C1B6 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:47:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: from onceler.kcilink.com (onceler.kciLink.com [204.117.82.2]) by kci.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DEBE8D2 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from khera@localhost) by onceler.kcilink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA77383; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:47:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from khera@kci.kcilink.com) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14699.13194.928908.864388@onceler.kcilink.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:47:38 -0400 (EDT) To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels In-Reply-To: References: <396AB0AA.4A4436B8@cup.hp.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 9) "Canyonlands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "KK" == Kris Kennaway writes: KK> support after the fact, and so people should be using the buildkernel KK> target if they want their kernel builds to work across upgrades. Which is a very different claim than saying you should *always* use buildkernel, and no other method is "supported". You're now qualifying your statement with "across upgrades". -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera@kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-301-545-6996 GPG & MIME spoken here http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 7:55:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB3737B7DD for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:55:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 13C1RA-00056F-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:55:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:55:04 -0400 From: Peter Radcliffe To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newpcm and RealPlayer woes Message-ID: <20000711105504.C18689@pir.net> Reply-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: stable@freebsd.org References: <20000711044014.A8062@lcremeans.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 10:47:09AM -0400 X-fish: < X-Copy-On-Listmail: Please do NOT Cc: me on list mail. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matt Heckaman probably said: > I do not have any of the 'weird sound' problem though. I did through XMMS > but their new version fixed that out. Similar problems occured with things > that used certain mixers. I believe this was an issue of the *program* not > the OS. Either way, xmms 1.2.x fixed it. I'm using xmms 1.2.1. I get the static on open as I described with xmms, x11amp and mpg123. With the same software on a machine using an SBLive, I don't get any static problems. I also haven't seen the mose movement or console change noise, just static on open, sometimes ... P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 8: 2: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragonstar.dhs.org (dsl-028-a.resnet.purdue.edu [128.211.161.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E894637C004 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:01:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonsmith@dragonstar.dhs.org) Received: from localhost (jonsmith@localhost) by dragonstar.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA98642 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:01:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jonsmith@dragonstar.dhs.org) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:01:52 -0500 (EST) From: Jonathan Smith To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: buildkernel Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think the purpose is to cause the kernel builds and installs to work right. I would HOPE everyone could agree on that as a "purpose." Some people have made suggestions such as, "if you're using the same system, (ie. the -RELEASE people), don't require a whole buildowrld..." Why not accept this as Voodoo Black Magic, and simply line up the features you'd like? A) Check for this, B) Check for that ..... and ask them to implement them? If they really don't like the idea, then _maybe_ they will try to solve the problem in a different way? Just an obscure idea.... -- Close your eyes. Now forget what you see. What do you feel? -- My heart. -- Come here. -- Your heart. -- See? We're exactly the same. Jon Smith -- Senior Math Major @ Purdue To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 8:27:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4879337C01C; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:27:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bandix@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04120; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:27:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:27:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: NIS/YP compatibility Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [A -questions matter. BCC'd to -stable to gain the input of the many on that list who run FreeBSD in an enterprise situation. Please, if you reply on -questions CC me as I have trouble sifting through all of my -questions mailbox] I'm running into some NIS/YP issues which I would like the community's input on. To make a long story short we need our users to be machine independent. We run such a motley collection of OSes on the hardware we have around here that NIS/YP is the lowest common denominator solution for user account management. It's the only scheme every platform we run has support for. Security issues aside, I must run NIS. At the moment we are successfully running NIS + NFS(w/ automounted shares) off of an IRIX box. This was installed and running when I arrived. That IRIX box is somebody's workstation and understandably I'd like to move that service onto one of our servers around here. Downtime is a Bad Thing and workstations have downtime. When I got here there were already servers running RedHat Linux doing various things. My first thought was to try moving NIS onto the Linux servers, they were already running and NIS doesn't impact server performance significantly. Well, no such luck, Linux's yp and NFS implementations are for shame! The only things that would talk to the Linux boxen were other Linux boxen. Soon after that failed attempt I inherited a couple of old sparcstation's for server use that I figured would make decent NIS servers since they're 10BaseT only and I wouldn't want to use them to serve anything bandwidth intensive anyway. I opted to install NetBSD/sparc on them after inspecting the OpenBSD and NetBSD manpages on yp and concluding that NetBSD had a more recent, complete implementation. That endeavor failed too. The Linux boxen and other sparc's running NetBSD could talk to it just fine, but the IRIX clients were no go. Now I'm understandably a bit frustrated. All this time I've also been struggling with the fact that I'm a BSD admin, those things are natural to me, and the various SYSV OSes we have running around are giving me nightmares the night after I dig around in /etc. I would love to be able to put my favorite OS, FreeBSD, on these servers and be done with it. Give linux the axe, so to speak. In fact, I've even convinced my boss to let me do it if it'll get these NIS issues resolved. He too, doesn't desire to leave NIS running off of an IRIX workstation any longer than he has to. Here's the dilemma, with all of the issues we've had surrounding various NIS implementations, before I set about the task of converting our servers to FreeBSD, he would like to see some detailed success reports from people using FreeBSD to serve IRIX NIS/YP clients. Details like what version of FreeBSD, what version of IRIX, and what is used as master, slave, and client. I've searched the mailing list archives to no avail. I am asking those of you listening to help me out and jot down a quick message about your use of NIS in a mixed IRIX/FreeBSD environment. Thank you for your time. -- Brandon D. Valentine, Systems Administrator Vanderbilt University, Center for Structural Biology bandix at looksharp.net | bandix at structbio.vanderbilt.edu "Truth suffers from too much analysis." -- Ancient Fremen Saying To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 8:36:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A40F37B741 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:36:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mail.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.247]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA48583 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:36:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Message-ID: <396B3E6F.BD94C310@owp.csus.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:34:07 -0700 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Bad sound output, AudioPCI ES1371, 4.0-STABLE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have an AudioPCI ES1371 sound card. From dmesg & sndstat : --- > dmesg|grep pcm pcm0: port 0xb400-0xb43f irq 5 at device 13.0 on pci0 --- > cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jul 10 2000 17:31:19 Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0xb400 irq 5 (1p/1r channels duplex) --- The only thing in my kernel config for this is : --- device pcm --- I've had this machine for awhile, with sound working fine under 3.4. I believe it was also working under 4.0-RELEASE also. It's now running 4-STABLE (from 10 Jul 2000) and putting out really crummy sound ouput. You can make out the song that it's playing, but not easily because it's generating so much static and garbage around it. I've seen several posts about bad sound output, but I haven't seen any solutions yet. If there are some patches that are floating around looking for someone to test them I'd be happy to. -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 9:12: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from servo.ccr.org (servo.ccr.org [198.3.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35B6F37B53B for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:12:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mo@servo.ccr.org) Received: from servo.ccr.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by servo.ccr.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA61587 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:12:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mo@servo.ccr.org) Message-Id: <200007111612.MAA61587@servo.ccr.org> To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: problems building kernels Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:12:03 -0400 From: "Mike O'Dell" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG is anyone else more than a little concerned that the people who ostensibly understand all the details can't agree as to how to do what and when?? and this is supposed to be STABLE??? give us a break, guys. you don't go changing how a kernel gets built in a release called STABLE. and if you didn't do that, please explain that we can just ignore all the mail the last few days and go back to trying to figure out why cvsup-ing the latest STABLE release doesn't compile/run-on-SMP/etc,etc,etc i'll restate my minority view that the FreeBSD project *really* needs to rethink their release names and the whole release process, rather than explaining that we don't understand the effort's peculiar definitions of words like "stable" but i'll shut up now. the last time i said this i generated a few free kilowatts with the recovered heat from the flaming... -mo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 9:26:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zipcode.corp.home.net (zipcode.corp.home.net [24.0.26.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871B537B533 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:26:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from manek@ecst.csuchico.edu) Received: from after (dialup83.home.net [24.0.25.83]) by zipcode.corp.home.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA21590 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:26:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Sameer R. Manek" Cc: Subject: RE: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make y Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:26:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <87snthxcof.fsf@titine.fr.eu.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Eric Jacoboni > >>>>> "John" == John Baldwin writes: > > John> Did you do a buildworld before running buildkernel, and are all your > John> sources in sync? > > I always make world before making kernel. The only risk with doing a make world first, is you can potentially break programs that rely on kernel structures, atleast until you build the new kernel and reboot. Programs such as ps, top, w, who, all come to mind as the ones you're most likely to notice as "broken". Sameer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 9:26:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zipcode.corp.home.net (zipcode.corp.home.net [24.0.26.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2A837B533 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:26:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from manek@nwserv.com) Received: from after (dialup83.home.net [24.0.25.83]) by zipcode.corp.home.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA21640; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:26:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Sameer R. Manek" To: "Kent Stewart" Cc: Subject: RE: unable to build 4.0-stable kernel Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:26:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <396AD432.274AA977@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: Kent Stewart [mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com] > "Sameer R. Manek" wrote: > > > > I've been unable to build a kernel since Saturday afternoon. > > I even tried the new recommended procedures. > > > > make buildkernel KERNEL=Always > > Do you have a config file called Always? It isn't an option. > Yes i do, the make buildkernel KERNEL=Always does a config on the config file called Always, if you don't define which kernel you want to use, it assumes you want to use the Generic kernel, which also isn't compiling. Sameer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 9:49:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86A537B5F9 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:49:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0501F115; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (gauss.cup.hp.com [15.28.97.152]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id JAA01266; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:49:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396B5002.B03318A8@cup.hp.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:49:06 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mike O'Dell" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problems building kernels References: <200007111612.MAA61587@servo.ccr.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike O'Dell wrote: > > is anyone else more than a little concerned that the people who > ostensibly understand all the details can't agree as to how to > do what and when?? You don't have to be more than a little concerned. This is simply a case where reality has departed from the intended. It's been noticed and acted upon. > and this is supposed to be STABLE??? The intended is STABLE, reality never is :-) > give us a break, guys. you don't go changing how a kernel > gets built in a release called STABLE. We didn't do that. We simply changed our support mantra... > and if you didn't do that, please explain that we can just > ignore all the mail the last few days and go back to > trying to figure out why cvsup-ing the latest STABLE > release doesn't compile/run-on-SMP/etc,etc,etc Please ignore all the mail you received in the last couple of days. But don't you dare ask why you can't build a kernel :-) > i'll restate my minority view that the FreeBSD project > *really* needs to rethink their release names and the > whole release process, rather than explaining that > we don't understand the effort's peculiar definitions > of words like "stable" Different issue. Different thread. -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 10:17:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F0537BA80; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:17:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel3.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD1D540; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (gauss.cup.hp.com [15.28.97.152]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id KAA02506; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396B56C0.3AC16100@cup.hp.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:17:52 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chad@DCFinc.com Cc: grog@lemis.com, khera@kciLink.com, kris@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels References: <200007110609.XAA21530@freeway.dcfinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Chad R. Larson" wrote: > > As I recall, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > The buildkernel target is designed solely for upgrading and > > cross-compiling purposes. > > That's not what Kris is saying. Correct. I never heard him saying anything about how they are *designed* :-) -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 10:29:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B649337B53B for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:29:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bandix@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05101 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:29:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:29:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: FreeBSD-STABLE Subject: Bug in sysinstall w/ 4.0-20000711 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just attempted to install the 4.0-20000711-STABLE snap off of releng4.freebsd.org and the version of sysinstall on the mfsroot floppy has a bug. I went to configure an ftp install from the 4.0 SNAP server and then the interface configuration menu came up. I selected dc0 and input the appropriate IPs and netmask(255.255.254.0 for our subnet) and when I would move the cursor out of the subnet box it would reset to 255.255.255.0. I added "netmask 255.255.254.0" to the ifconfig options box to try to work around it. It told me it couldn't find releng4.freebsd.org so I stareted the emergency holographic shell on VTY4 and ran ifconfig dc0 only to find out it ifconfig'd the interface but never brought it up. I manually brought it up and could ping it from other machines. Going back to sysinstall I would try to select ftp again and it would bring up the interface menu, I'd enter the same data, and it would bring the interface down! I never did get this install to work. This needs to be looked into *before* July 25th for obvious reasons. Let me know what I can do to help. I haven't a clue how to do debugging on an install floppy with no tools available. Brandon D. Valentine -- bandix at looksharp.net | bandix at structbio.vanderbilt.edu "Truth suffers from too much analysis." -- Ancient Fremen Saying To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 10:30:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0663F37B8AC for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:30:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D242B; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (gauss.cup.hp.com [15.28.97.152]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id KAA03120; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396B59B0.29C2F873@cup.hp.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:30:24 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Francisco Reyes Cc: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels References: <200007110615.CAA36717@vulcan.addy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Removed Richard Stanaford from the CC list. His yahoo account seems to be invalid] Francisco Reyes wrote: > The procedure is probably "different" from what we are used to, > but there must have been reasons why it was introduced, and from > what I read there wasn't much time... although I would hope that > stable is not been done in a rush for the sole purpose of > getting the lastest feature. After all it is supposed to be > "stable". These targets were needed for people to be able to source upgrade from 3.x to 4.0-RELEASE. They have been added to the source tree weeks before that release. It has not been rushed. The "little time" issue is more complex than that. > The one thing I am still unclear is where would one make > changes? To what? > I used to make a copy of GENERIC and work on that. What do we > need to change now? The traditional way of building a kernel is still valid. Nothing, therefore, has changed in how you create your own kernel config file (NOTE: this only applies to -stable; not -current). The buildkernel target has been advocated because it abstracts most of the hairy details in actually building a kernel and making sure you use the right version of certain tools (not to mention make include files). That's all. -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 10:33:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vulcan.addy.com (vulcan.addy.com [208.11.142.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AD237B535 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:33:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by vulcan.addy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA60408; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:33:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200007111733.NAA60408@vulcan.addy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Mikko Tyolajarvi" Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:21:44 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: <200007062218.AAA26263@m2.dynas.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HEADS UP: /etc/rc.shutdown calls local scripts now Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 7 Jul 2000 00:18:21 +0200 (CEST), Mikko Tyolajarvi wrote: >If the start/stop arguments are coded in a backwards compatible >fashion, there should be no difference. For startup, I can see no >reason why there should be any difference at all [1]. I am a bit confused about this new change. I see references to /etc/rc.d, but the only rc.d directory I am familiar with is /usr/local/etc/rc.d Is this directory the one which is going to be affected? What will happend with programs that don't know about start/stop? do we need to change existing scripts on those directories? francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 10:46:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from southpark.corp.pocket.com (gateway1.pocketscience.com [209.24.64.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 71AD037B582 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:46:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@corp.pocket.com) Received: (qmail 35980 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 17:46:22 -0000 Received: from southpark.corp.pocket.com (HELO corp.pocket.com) (10.10.4.2) by southpark.corp.pocket.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 17:46:22 -0000 Message-ID: <396B5D6E.75D744FC@corp.pocket.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:46:22 -0700 From: Brian Nelson Organization: PocketScience, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en, pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newpcm and RealPlayer woes References: <20000711044014.A8062@lcremeans.erols.com> <20000711105504.C18689@pir.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've had this exact same problem on my machine, and I assumed it was my chincy sound card (some asound gold thing)... it worked fine under 3.x, but 4.x has intermittent static noise. Peter Radcliffe wrote: > Matt Heckaman probably said: > > I do not have any of the 'weird sound' problem though. I did through XMMS > > but their new version fixed that out. Similar problems occured with things > > that used certain mixers. I believe this was an issue of the *program* not > > the OS. Either way, xmms 1.2.x fixed it. > > I'm using xmms 1.2.1. I get the static on open as I described with xmms, > x11amp and mpg123. > > With the same software on a machine using an SBLive, I don't get any > static problems. > > I also haven't seen the mose movement or console change noise, just > static on open, sometimes ... > > P. > > -- > pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 10:46:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from southpark.corp.pocket.com (gateway1.pocketscience.com [209.24.64.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 79E4837B5AD for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:46:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@corp.pocket.com) Received: (qmail 35980 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 17:46:22 -0000 Received: from southpark.corp.pocket.com (HELO corp.pocket.com) (10.10.4.2) by southpark.corp.pocket.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 17:46:22 -0000 Message-ID: <396B5D6E.75D744FC@corp.pocket.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:46:22 -0700 From: Brian Nelson Organization: PocketScience, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en, pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newpcm and RealPlayer woes References: <20000711044014.A8062@lcremeans.erols.com> <20000711105504.C18689@pir.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've had this exact same problem on my machine, and I assumed it was my chincy sound card (some asound gold thing)... it worked fine under 3.x, but 4.x has intermittent static noise. Peter Radcliffe wrote: > Matt Heckaman probably said: > > I do not have any of the 'weird sound' problem though. I did through XMMS > > but their new version fixed that out. Similar problems occured with things > > that used certain mixers. I believe this was an issue of the *program* not > > the OS. Either way, xmms 1.2.x fixed it. > > I'm using xmms 1.2.1. I get the static on open as I described with xmms, > x11amp and mpg123. > > With the same software on a machine using an SBLive, I don't get any > static problems. > > I also haven't seen the mose movement or console change noise, just > static on open, sometimes ... > > P. > > -- > pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 10:47:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from org.chem.msu.su (org.chem.msu.su [158.250.32.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1767037B653; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:46:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kostik@org.chem.msu.su) Received: from org.chem.msu.su (org.chem.msu.su [158.250.48.97]) by org.chem.msu.su (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04099; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:46:33 +0400 (MSD) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:46:32 +0400 (MSD) From: kostik To: The Hermit Hacker Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.0-STABLE/SMP feels sluggish ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > I have a machine running Dual-PIII 450s that feels dog-slow and I can't > seem to find anything wrong ... > > The machine is reasonably current: > > %uname -a > FreeBSD pgsql.tht.net 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Mon Jun 19 > 23:38:56 EDT 2000 root@pgsql.tht.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/pgsql i386 looks like you increase your dmesg buffer size or console scroll buffer size to much. i have dual p100 system and increasing console scroll buffer makes system _very_ slow on console feedback. fyi, i have 4.0-release. seems like console driver changed expensively... > Loadavg is less them 1, but its not unusual to have to wait after hitting > just the return key for it to come back with something ... try tweaking buffers size... > Is this SMP related? I saw the recent MFC that broke ppls SMP boxes with > 4.0-STABLE ... something related to this that I should upgrade > to? Something I should look at/test to see where the problem might be? WBR, Konstantin Yu. Pasichnichenko E-mail : kostik@org.chem.msu.su FIDO : 2:5020/118.82@fidonet.org ICQ# : 39849876 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 10:59:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB4337BB8A for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:58:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel3.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFCFAAC; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (gauss.cup.hp.com [15.28.97.152]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id KAA04296; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396B6021.F63A0AA4@cup.hp.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:57:53 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Sameer R. Manek" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: unable to build 4.0-stable kernel References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Sameer R. Manek" wrote: > > I've been unable to build a kernel since Saturday afternoon. > I even tried the new recommended procedures. Make sure your object tree *and* your source tree are clean (ie no stale files). Re-cvsup if necessary. Double-check your /etc/make.conf. Also try a GENERIC kernel if a custom kernel fails. A make buildworld followed by a make buildkernel should work if the environment is "clean". If it continues to fail, collect as much relevant information as possible (this includes anything you have been trying to get it to build for the last couple of days) and post it to -stable. Please, don't assume we made an error, it might be pilot error as well. We certainly have a lot of false signals about failing kernel compiles lately that we tend to think it's pilot error anyway. Use tact to convince us otherwise, we're only human :-) -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 11: 2:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA1837B536 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:02:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bandix@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05401 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:02:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:02:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: FreeBSD-STABLE Subject: Re: Bug in sysinstall w/ 4.0-20000711 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To followup on my own message I'm seeing similiar behavior with the install floppies from 4.0-RELEASE on this same machine. The netmask options will not stick in the ifconfig screen. I had to open up a holographic shell, manually ifconfig the interface, then manually add the default route, then add "netmask 0xfffffe00 up" to the ifconfig options box in sysinstall to make sure it didn't take dc0 down. Weird. On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Brandon D. Valentine wrote: >Just attempted to install the 4.0-20000711-STABLE snap off of >releng4.freebsd.org and the version of sysinstall on the mfsroot floppy >has a bug. I went to configure an ftp install from the 4.0 SNAP server >and then the interface configuration menu came up. I selected dc0 and >input the appropriate IPs and netmask(255.255.254.0 for our subnet) and >when I would move the cursor out of the subnet box it would reset to >255.255.255.0. I added "netmask 255.255.254.0" to the ifconfig options >box to try to work around it. It told me it couldn't find >releng4.freebsd.org so I stareted the emergency holographic shell on >VTY4 and ran ifconfig dc0 only to find out it ifconfig'd the interface >but never brought it up. I manually brought it up and could ping it >from other machines. Going back to sysinstall I would try to select ftp >again and it would bring up the interface menu, I'd enter the same data, >and it would bring the interface down! I never did get this install to >work. This needs to be looked into *before* July 25th for obvious >reasons. Let me know what I can do to help. I haven't a clue how to do >debugging on an install floppy with no tools available. > >Brandon D. Valentine > Brandon D. Valentine -- bandix at looksharp.net | bandix at structbio.vanderbilt.edu "Truth suffers from too much analysis." -- Ancient Fremen Saying To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 11: 3:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B069537B509; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:03:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9F4DD8; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (gauss.cup.hp.com [15.28.97.152]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id LAA04468; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396B612F.98E34329@cup.hp.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:02:23 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johan Karlsson Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, kris@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make y References: <200007110759.JAA71663@numeri.campus.luth.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [CC list stripped] Johan Karlsson wrote: > Can you please have a look at PR 17698 > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=17698 > which deals with some of the problems discussed in this thread. > > Marcel or Kris maybe one of you can consider commiting this patch. Let the records show that this PR may be assigned to me, in case I forget to do it myself today. -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 11:14: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A600E37B5D0 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:13:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel3.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A311B50; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (gauss.cup.hp.com [15.28.97.152]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id LAA04982; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396B63DD.7A6F4023@cup.hp.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:13:49 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter van Heusden Cc: Brad Knowles , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yourkernels References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter van Heusden wrote: > > so, the kernels built are defined by KERNEL - there is no > default. The default is GENERIC. -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 11:30:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat196.15.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.196.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8428037B509; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:30:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA33233; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:27:58 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:27:58 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: kostik Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.0-STABLE/SMP feels sluggish ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, kostik wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > > I have a machine running Dual-PIII 450s that feels dog-slow and I can't > > seem to find anything wrong ... > > > > The machine is reasonably current: > > > > %uname -a > > FreeBSD pgsql.tht.net 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Mon Jun 19 > > 23:38:56 EDT 2000 root@pgsql.tht.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/pgsql i386 > > looks like you increase your dmesg buffer size or console scroll buffer > size to much. i have dual p100 system and increasing console scroll buffer > makes system _very_ slow on console feedback. > fyi, i have 4.0-release. seems like console driver changed expensively... sorry, but am not using console for this ... purely an ssh session to the box si what is feeling sluggish ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 11:34:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from accord.grasslake.net (accord.grasslake.net [206.11.249.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D145937B509; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:33:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swb@grasslake.net) Received: from mobocracy (DHCP-Subnet4-Irvine-192-159-35-155.campbell-mithun.com [192.159.35.155]) by accord.grasslake.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA06283; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:34:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from swb@grasslake.net) Message-ID: <00b801bfeb66$94ab2960$9b239fc0@mobocracy> From: "Shawn Barnhart" To: "Kris Kennaway" Cc: References: Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:33:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Fascinating discussion. I guess I don't care which tools I use, so long as they do the right thing, and, most importantly THAT THE METHODS ARE TOTALLY DOCUMENTED WITH ALL THE QUIRKS IN THE FSCK'N HANDBOOK AND NOT JUST IN THE MAILING LIST ARCHIVE! One thing that frustrates me about FBSD is the "docrot" of the handbook. When I was getting started with FBSD I seemed to stumble across many things that, while not exactly incorrect, were nevertheless incomplete or outmoded by newer/better/smarter ways of doing things. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 11:48:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wysoft.tzo.com (c481444-a.bremtn1.wa.home.com [24.12.235.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92DEE37B66C for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:48:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wysoft@wysoft.tzo.com) Received: from localhost (wysoft@localhost) by wysoft.tzo.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6BIiNF03903 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:44:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Wyman To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels In-Reply-To: <00b801bfeb66$94ab2960$9b239fc0@mobocracy> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm starting to wonder why people continue to drag this message on, it's just astounding. It's been well explained by many. It should be pretty clear now what you need to do in order to get a kernel working under the condition that either you: - Are upgrading by source and need to work around older tools that have not yet been replaced by newly built tools. - Are on an established system and simply building a plain old kernel. And I agree with others when they say that if you're going to complain about the process, either you need to understand it better, or contribute by creating a new, better process. What is everybody else missing? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 12: 6:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from privatecube.privatelabs.com (privatecube.privatelabs.com [198.143.31.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB32937B7BF for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:06:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@privatelabs.com) Received: from misha.privatelabs.com (root@misha.privatelabs.com [198.143.31.6]) by privatecube.privatelabs.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA02300 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:05:52 -0400 Received: from privatelabs.com (mi@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by misha.privatelabs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03550 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:02:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi@privatelabs.com) From: mi@privatelabs.com Message-Id: <200007111902.PAA03550@misha.privatelabs.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Previous Message on /etc/defaults To: stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 10 Jul, Jonathan Smith wrote: = The reason against it is that it makes it harder to go through and = configure a fresh system. As I had said, one of my favorite things was to = have one file to go through and change what I needed to. That advantage = is gone. Yes, it's still easier than linux, but not by much. Dare I say, I actually like the Irix, Linux (who else) adopted chkconfig? -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 12:22:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from firebat.Bushong.NET (c128625-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.5.196.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5EA37B803; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:22:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbushong@firebat.Bushong.NET) Received: (from dbushong@localhost) by firebat.Bushong.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07220; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:21:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbushong) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:21:36 -0700 From: David Bushong To: Jeff Wyman Cc: Doug Barton , "Daniel C. Sobral" , Stephen Montgomery-Smith , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels Message-ID: <20000711122136.G64491@bushong.net> References: <396A03AE.8A20FA61@gorean.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from wysoft@wysoft.tzo.com on Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 03:32:12PM -0700 X-Floating-Sheep-Port: 0xbaa Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 03:32:12PM -0700, Jeff Wyman wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Doug Barton wrote: > > There is also the option of naming your kernel config file "kernel". > > > Yes, but some people don't like to name their children "kernel" for > whatever reason. > Argh! No no no no. Doesn't anyone read LINT? #makeoptions KERNEL=foo #Build kernel "foo" and install "/foo" I just put: makeoptions KERNEL=kernel in my /sys/i386/conf/MYMACHINENAME file and installkernel installs my fresh kernel into /kernel no problem. --David Bushong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 12:33:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C3E137B6FD; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:33:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from so@server.i-clue.de) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id XAA08972; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:36:37 +0200 Message-ID: <396B76B0.D8BA4E02@i-clue.de> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:34:08 +0200 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: so@server.i-clue.de Organization: i-clue interactive GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Stable does not boot after make buildworld, ... Was: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Summary of Officially Sanctioned Update Procedure: > > make buildworld > make buildkernel > make installkernel > shutdown (drop into single-user mode) > make installworld > mergemaster > reboot > > Depart from the above procedure at your own risk. Thankyou :-) Been there, done that, to the last letter ('kay, I didn't type the "(drop into single-user..." part). Fresh install from 4.0-Release, CVSup'ed after the binutils were declared clean. The system panics when loading linux.ko. It seems to me there is something not working as intended. Can any helpful soul look at the stable build sequence shown and determine why it crashes during loading linux.ko? Thanks. -Christoph Sold -- i-clue GmbH, Endersbacher Str. 57, D-71334 Waiblingen Fon: (0 71 51) 9 59 01-12, Fax: (0 71 51) 9 59 01-55 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 12:36:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web3102.mail.yahoo.com (web3102.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.187]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 090AC37B6ED for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:36:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsstan@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20000711193616.27830.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [150.159.224.8] by web3102.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:36:16 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:36:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Stanaford Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --- Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > [Removed Richard Stanaford from the CC list. His yahoo account seems to > be invalid] Invalid? Not likely.. *grin* -Richard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 12:40:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.sirius.com (mail1.sirius.com [205.134.253.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8536B37B780 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:40:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freepix@sirius.com) Received: from jasons-pc.sirius.com (ppp-astk02-067.sirius.net [205.134.247.67]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA16486 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000711122347.01bf0a50@mail.sirius.com> X-Sender: freepix@mail.sirius.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:23:51 -0700 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Jason Scott Subject: SCSI Drive - Device not configured Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have my system setup with two IDE drives, and now two SCSI drives. The first SCSI drive works great, but upon adding the second one, and installing it (from The Complete FreeBSD book) I can access the drive, and even have a few small sites on it without a problem. But when I tried to copy a 2 gigabyte directory to it, I received the following errors, and then the drive could not be read: cp: /homes2/ps/data/avs/hotpnl/secret/ppp6/tn_ppp638eb_jpg.jpg: Device not configured cp: /homes2/ps/data/avs/hotpnl/secret/ppp6/ppp6.html: Device not configured cp: /homes2/ps/data/avs/hotpnl/secret/ppp9: Device not configured The files being copied are on a drive called homes, and this new drive is called homes2. I didn't add the drive to the kernel, but I didn't see anything in the book about doing that, could there be some type of problem with the drive? After I reboot the system it needs to be fsck'd to mount this drive, and the 'messages' file contains this after reboot: Jul 6 22:16:43 www /kernel: (da1:ahc0:0:1:0): Invalidating pack Jul 6 22:17:14 www last message repeated 10 times Jul 6 22:18:04 www last message repeated 15 times Thanks, Jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 12:40:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C3E37B6DF; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:40:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@q.closedsrc.org) Received: from localhost (lplist@localhost) by q.closedsrc.org (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6BJdGN91502; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:39:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@q.closedsrc.org) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:39:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Linh Pham To: Christoph Sold Cc: Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stable does not boot after make buildworld, ... Was: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels In-Reply-To: <396B76B0.D8BA4E02@i-clue.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I know FreeBSD Diary has a different approach to upgrading to STABLE, but how does that differ from the ``Offically Sanctioned Update Procedure''? I have used their procedure to upgrade to STABLE and keep current without a problem, but I'm not sure if it's fully updating everything or not. // Linh Pham // // Proud supporter of FreeBSD and OpenBSD // FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org // OpenBSD - http://www.openbsd.org /* "Oregon, n.: Eighty billion gallons of water with no place to go on Saturday night." */ On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Christoph Sold wrote: > > Summary of Officially Sanctioned Update Procedure: > > > > make buildworld > > make buildkernel > > make installkernel > > shutdown (drop into single-user mode) > > make installworld > > mergemaster > > reboot > > > > Depart from the above procedure at your own risk. Thankyou :-) > > Been there, done that, to the last letter ('kay, I didn't type the > "(drop into single-user..." part). Fresh install from 4.0-Release, > CVSup'ed after the binutils were declared clean. The system panics when > loading linux.ko. > > It seems to me there is something not working as intended. > > Can any helpful soul look at the stable build sequence shown and > determine why it crashes during loading linux.ko? > > Thanks. > -Christoph Sold > -- > i-clue GmbH, Endersbacher Str. 57, D-71334 Waiblingen > Fon: (0 71 51) 9 59 01-12, Fax: (0 71 51) 9 59 01-55 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 12:44:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459C937B8F1 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:44:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from so@server.i-clue.de) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id XAA09014; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:47:57 +0200 Message-ID: <396B7958.3B70976D@i-clue.de> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:45:28 +0200 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: so@server.i-clue.de Organization: i-clue interactive GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Wyman Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to makeyerkernels References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jeff Wyman wrote: > > I'm starting to wonder why people continue to drag this message on, it's > just astounding. > > It's been well explained by many. It should be pretty clear now what you > need to do in order to get a kernel working under the condition that > either you: > > - Are upgrading by source and need to work around older tools that have > not yet been replaced by newly built tools. > > - Are on an established system and simply building a plain old kernel. > > And I agree with others when they say that if you're going to complain > about the process, either you need to understand it better, or contribute > by creating a new, better process. > > What is everybody else missing? It is neither explained in /usr/src/UPDATING, nor in the above HEADS UP message. A clear explanation, including all steps, would be helpful. The step missing from the original HEADS UP is you have to move kernel.GENERIC to kernel BEFORE you reboot. This is not done automatically for you. Just my .02 Euro -Christoph Sold -- i-clue GmbH, Endersbacher Str. 57, D-71334 Waiblingen Fon: (0 71 51) 9 59 01-12, Fax: (0 71 51) 9 59 01-55 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 12:47:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8806E37B808; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:47:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel3.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF999A5; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (gauss.cup.hp.com [15.28.97.152]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id MAA08702; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396B79BD.7C2955F3@cup.hp.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:47:09 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: so@server.i-clue.de Cc: Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stable does not boot after make buildworld, ... Was: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels References: <396B76B0.D8BA4E02@i-clue.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Christoph Sold wrote: > > Been there, done that, to the last letter ('kay, I didn't type the > "(drop into single-user..." part). Fresh install from 4.0-Release, > CVSup'ed after the binutils were declared clean. The system panics when > loading linux.ko. This sound suspiciously like linux.ko is not matching the kernel (ie new kernel; old linux.ko). -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 12:51:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FDE37B7E4; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:51:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA10214; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:51:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-65.max1.wa.cyberlynk.net(207.227.118.65) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma010211; Tue Jul 11 14:50:54 2000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20000711143135.00b1a900@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:50:27 -0500 To: "Brandon D. Valentine" , Kris Kennaway From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Cc: Greg Lehey , Marcel Moolenaar , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:04 AM 7/11/00 -0400, Brandon D. Valentine wrote: >Kris, >You have some very valid concerns from a support perspective, and I >respect that. What I believe you are failing to take into account is >the fact that the buildkernel target requires a full source repository >and object tree. It is not that people object to a /usr/src level >target for kernel builds, they object to the idea that The FreeBSD >Project would require all users to have an entire source tree and object >tree for something as common as a kernel build. Often users chose to >stay with -RELEASE and those users need to be able to install only >src-sys from their RELEASE CDROMs and build and install custom kernels. >It would be a bit obtuse to do a full buildworld in order to obtain an >object tree if one was planning on staying with -RELEASE code. The only >way I can see making it feasible to for the buildworld target to be >universally supported is to implement some sort of a check to see >whether or not the version of the kernel code is different from that of >the currently running kernel. If that is the case, then an object tree >should be required. Otherwise buildkernel should use the build tools >from the running system. I may be wrong, since I don't as up-to-date to date with -current discussions, but there may be a time when src/sys is not enough to build a kernel (ie src-sys-crypto). Regardless... Considering the reluctance of many to a new "official" way of building kernels that is more complicated and requires more work than reasonable to "just build a new kernel." I'm inclined to agree with you (and others), but my current buildworld will need a buildkernel due to the crossing of the binutils. And yet the other reason for this change being pushed so hard is to make sure that modules and kernel are kept in synch. The NO_MODULES (with kernel) and MODULES_WITH_WORLD are there for this. By default if you buildworld and use the old method, then your modules will *not* be built and that could be a serious problem. Perhaps when changes are made that require a buildkernel a "HEAD's UP" should be sent. Then one must otherwise uncomment the MODULES_WITH_WORLD or expect to really be flamed for using the old kernel building method. Not quite what Kris is saying, but is a bit of a compromise. Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 12:58:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from copland.udel.edu (copland.udel.edu [128.175.13.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B81837B7E8 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:58:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from papalia@UDel.Edu) Received: from copland.udel.edu (copland.udel.edu [128.175.13.92]) by copland.udel.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13177; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:58:17 -0400 (EDT) From: John To: Christoph Sold Cc: Jeff Wyman , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to makeyerkernels In-Reply-To: <396B7958.3B70976D@i-clue.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I'm starting to wonder why people continue to drag this message on, it's > > just astounding. > > > > It's been well explained by many. It should be pretty clear now what you > > need to do in order to get a kernel working under the condition that > > either you: > > > > - Are upgrading by source and need to work around older tools that have > > not yet been replaced by newly built tools. > > > > - Are on an established system and simply building a plain old kernel. > > > > And I agree with others when they say that if you're going to complain > > about the process, either you need to understand it better, or contribute > > by creating a new, better process. > > > > What is everybody else missing? > > It is neither explained in /usr/src/UPDATING, nor in the above HEADS UP > message. > > A clear explanation, including all steps, would be helpful. The step > missing from the original HEADS UP is you have to move kernel.GENERIC to > kernel BEFORE you reboot. This is not done automatically for you. > > Just my .02 Euro > -Christoph Sold It doesn't include a list of detailed information, but an exact copy of the procedure actually *is* in /usr/src/UPDATING, including the need to move the kernel from /YOURNAME to /kernel and how to do it. If it wasn't for this info, I know I wouldn't have been able to build a new kernel myself :) Pasted it below: To build a kernel ----------------- cd /usr/src # If you have not already done so, please buildworld here # You will also need to update your config file to 4.0. Usually # people tend to start with GENERIC from 4.0 and hack from there. make buildkernel KERNEL= make installkernel KERNEL= # Verify that the new kernel works, it will be installed as # /YOUR_KERNEL_HERE chflags noschg /kernel chflags noschg /YOUR_KERNEL_HERE mv /kernel /kernel.old mv /YOUR_KERNEL_HERE /kernel chflags schg /kernel hope that helps? --John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 12:59:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from spider.forumone.com (spider.forumone.com [207.32.101.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D7037BB8E for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:59:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jo@forumone.com) Received: by spider.forumone.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id D6C7117B4BE; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spider.forumone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D51084FFC6 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:00:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Joakim Ryden To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: random.h - again... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, I cvsupped - built and installed world and went to make a new kernel. The kernel build fails with: ===> syscons/fire make: don't know how to make machine/random.h. Stop *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules/syscons. *** Error code 1 Please, someone - anyone - any ideas? Regards, Joakim Ryden To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 13: 4: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragonstar.dhs.org (dsl-028-a.resnet.purdue.edu [128.211.161.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D56637B852; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:04:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonsmith@dragonstar.dhs.org) Received: from localhost (jonsmith@localhost) by dragonstar.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA99150; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:03:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jonsmith@dragonstar.dhs.org) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:03:22 -0500 (EST) From: Jonathan Smith To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Cc: "Brandon D. Valentine" , Kris Kennaway , Greg Lehey , Marcel Moolenaar , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.20000711143135.00b1a900@207.227.119.2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Perhaps when changes are made that require a buildkernel a "HEAD's UP" > should be sent. Then one must otherwise uncomment the MODULES_WITH_WORLD > or expect to really be flamed for using the old kernel building > method. Not quite what Kris is saying, but is a bit of a compromise. > The problems with that include: not everyone reads the list (shocking as it may be :) keeping track for making a build with older sources (which should I do on sources from x/y/z to a/b/c?) I think what it will come to is that there needs to be one way that's smart enough to handle all the guts and gory for us, _including_ those that just want to reconfigure WITHOUT a buildworld (isn't it highly recommended that after installing from a snapshot/release/etc. that you build a custom kernel anyway?) maybe if we are smarter than the makefile, make buildkernel RECONFIGURE kernel=... or if we're not, it could use an earlier suggestion of doing a uname to fetch the kernel source and compare to what's currently there? Just a few ideas and advancement of others To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 13:12:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7631B37B6DF for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:12:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from so@server.i-clue.de) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id AAA09261; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:15:54 +0200 Message-ID: <396B7FE4.66D8E962@i-clue.de> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:13:24 +0200 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: so@server.i-clue.de Organization: i-clue interactive GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Cc: Christoph Sold , Jeff Wyman , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to makeyerkernels References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John wrote: > > > > I'm starting to wonder why people continue to drag this message on, it's > > > just astounding. > > > > > > It's been well explained by many. It should be pretty clear now what you > > > need to do in order to get a kernel working under the condition that > > > either you: > > > > > > - Are upgrading by source and need to work around older tools that have > > > not yet been replaced by newly built tools. > > > > > > - Are on an established system and simply building a plain old kernel. > > > > > > And I agree with others when they say that if you're going to complain > > > about the process, either you need to understand it better, or contribute > > > by creating a new, better process. > > > > > > What is everybody else missing? > > > > It is neither explained in /usr/src/UPDATING, nor in the above HEADS UP > > message. > > > > A clear explanation, including all steps, would be helpful. The step > > missing from the original HEADS UP is you have to move kernel.GENERIC to > > kernel BEFORE you reboot. This is not done automatically for you. > > > > Just my .02 Euro > > -Christoph Sold > > It doesn't include a list of detailed information, but an exact copy of the > procedure actually *is* in /usr/src/UPDATING, including the need to > move the kernel from /YOURNAME to /kernel and how to do it. If it > wasn't for this info, I know I wouldn't have been able to build a new > kernel myself :) Pasted it below: > > To build a kernel > ----------------- > cd /usr/src > # If you have not already done so, please buildworld here > # You will also need to update your config file to 4.0. Usually > # people tend to start with GENERIC from 4.0 and hack from there. > make buildkernel KERNEL= > make installkernel KERNEL= > # Verify that the new kernel works, it will be installed as > # /YOUR_KERNEL_HERE > chflags noschg /kernel > chflags noschg /YOUR_KERNEL_HERE > mv /kernel /kernel.old > mv /YOUR_KERNEL_HERE /kernel > chflags schg /kernel > > hope that helps? That helped, thanks. I just verified with my source: this explanation was missing there. Supposedly bad timing with CVSup. I just re-ran CVSup again, and it updated /usr/src/UPDATING (along wiht some unrelated pieces). Bingo. Good work, folks. -Christoph Sold -- i-clue GmbH, Endersbacher Str. 57, D-71334 Waiblingen Fon: (0 71 51) 9 59 01-12, Fax: (0 71 51) 9 59 01-55 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 13:26:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from copland.udel.edu (copland.udel.edu [128.175.13.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE4037BB5F for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:26:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from papalia@UDel.Edu) Received: from copland.udel.edu (copland.udel.edu [128.175.13.92]) by copland.udel.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12655; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:26:19 -0400 (EDT) From: John To: Christoph Sold Cc: Christoph Sold , Jeff Wyman , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to makeyerkernels In-Reply-To: <396B7FE4.66D8E962@i-clue.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > I'm starting to wonder why people continue to drag this message on, it's > > > > just astounding. > > > > > > > > It's been well explained by many. It should be pretty clear now what you > > > > need to do in order to get a kernel working under the condition that > > > > either you: > > > > > > > > - Are upgrading by source and need to work around older tools that have > > > > not yet been replaced by newly built tools. > > > > > > > > - Are on an established system and simply building a plain old kernel. > > > > > > > > And I agree with others when they say that if you're going to complain > > > > about the process, either you need to understand it better, or contribute > > > > by creating a new, better process. > > > > > > > > What is everybody else missing? > > > > > > It is neither explained in /usr/src/UPDATING, nor in the above HEADS UP > > > message. > > > > > > A clear explanation, including all steps, would be helpful. The step > > > missing from the original HEADS UP is you have to move kernel.GENERIC to > > > kernel BEFORE you reboot. This is not done automatically for you. > > > > > > Just my .02 Euro > > > -Christoph Sold > > > > It doesn't include a list of detailed information, but an exact copy of the > > procedure actually *is* in /usr/src/UPDATING, including the need to > > move the kernel from /YOURNAME to /kernel and how to do it. If it > > wasn't for this info, I know I wouldn't have been able to build a new > > kernel myself :) Pasted it below: > > > > To build a kernel > > ----------------- > > cd /usr/src > > # If you have not already done so, please buildworld here > > # You will also need to update your config file to 4.0. Usually > > # people tend to start with GENERIC from 4.0 and hack from there. > > make buildkernel KERNEL= > > make installkernel KERNEL= > > # Verify that the new kernel works, it will be installed as > > # /YOUR_KERNEL_HERE > > chflags noschg /kernel > > chflags noschg /YOUR_KERNEL_HERE > > mv /kernel /kernel.old > > mv /YOUR_KERNEL_HERE /kernel > > chflags schg /kernel > > > > hope that helps? > > That helped, thanks. I just verified with my source: this explanation > was missing there. Supposedly bad timing with CVSup. I just re-ran CVSup > again, and it updated /usr/src/UPDATING (along wiht some unrelated > pieces). Bingo. Good work, folks. > Interesting. It's actually been there for several months now? There was a whole big argument a few months back because this info appeared at the end of /usr/src/UPDATING instead of at the beginning. But anyway, it's been there a while, and now you've got it :) -John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 13:32: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freemail.aecinfo.com (host-45.toronto.bricsnet.com [209.146.217.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5907F37B983 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:31:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mitayai@bricsnet.com) Received: from itdept (host-102.toronto.bricsnet.com [209.146.217.102]) by freemail.aecinfo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA05041 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:32:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mitayai@bricsnet.com) From: "Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe" To: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD. ORG" Subject: Problems with make world Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:36:33 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just grabbed the latest 3.0-stable sources and am trying to do a 'make world' on a 3.2 machine and am getting the same error every time, even when i completely erased the /usr/src and tried again... the machine: su-2.03# uname -a FreeBSD mail.be.bricsnet.com 3.2-STABLE FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE #0: Wed Sep 29 14:25:59 CEST 1999 root@mail.bricsnet.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/MAIL i386 the error: cc -O6 -pipe -march=pentiumpro -I/usr/src/usr.bin/ar -Wall -I/usr/obj/usr/ src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.bin/ar/append.c cc1: Invalid option `arch=pentiumpro' Does anyone have any suggestions? -Mit To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 13:35:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kci.kciLink.com (kci.kciLink.com [204.117.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF5B37B983 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:35:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: from onceler.kcilink.com (onceler.kciLink.com [204.117.82.2]) by kci.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C297E8D5; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from khera@localhost) by onceler.kcilink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA84877; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:35:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from khera@kci.kcilink.com) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14699.34088.874506.563646@onceler.kcilink.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:35:52 -0400 (EDT) To: "Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe" Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD. ORG" Subject: Re: Problems with make world In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 9) "Canyonlands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "WMKR" == Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe writes: WMKR> I just grabbed the latest 3.0-stable sources and am trying to do a 'make WMKR> world' on a 3.2 machine and am getting the same error every time, even when WMKR> i completely erased the /usr/src and tried again... WMKR> the error: WMKR> cc -O6 -pipe -march=pentiumpro -I/usr/src/usr.bin/ar -Wall -I/usr/obj/usr/ WMKR> src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.bin/ar/append.c WMKR> cc1: Invalid option `arch=pentiumpro' Edit your /etc/make.conf to remove the flag -march=pentiumpro from CFLAGS. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 13:39:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pan.ch.intel.com (pan.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CAD237B801 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:39:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by pan.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.30 2000/06/08 18:25:35 dmccart Exp $) with ESMTP id NAA13360; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:39:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.10 2000/02/10 21:38:16 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id NAA14240; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:39:03 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id QAA13267; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:39:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14699.34278.853989.243905@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:39:02 -0700 (MST) To: "Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe" Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD. ORG" Subject: Re: Problems with make world In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.6.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ On Tuesday, July 11, Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote: ] > I just grabbed the latest 3.0-stable sources and am trying to do a 'make I assume you mean 4.0-stable sources (if you are on a 3.2 machine anyway)? > world' on a 3.2 machine and am getting the same error every time, even when > i completely erased the /usr/src and tried again... > > the machine: > su-2.03# uname -a > FreeBSD mail.be.bricsnet.com 3.2-STABLE FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE #0: Wed Sep 29 > 14:25:59 CEST 1999 root@mail.bricsnet.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/MAIL > i386 > > the error: > cc -O6 -pipe -march=pentiumpro -I/usr/src/usr.bin/ar -Wall -I/usr/obj/usr/ > src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.bin/ar/append.c > cc1: Invalid option `arch=pentiumpro' Sounds like you've got "-march=pentiumpro" in your /etc/make.conf CCFLAGS or something. Also, the -O6 leaps out as something that's not entirely a good idea for building world. Get rid of your CFLAGS options (except for maybe -pipe) and try again. -jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 13:41:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freemail.aecinfo.com (host-45.toronto.bricsnet.com [209.146.217.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507F337B753 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:41:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mitayai@bricsnet.com) Received: from itdept (host-102.toronto.bricsnet.com [209.146.217.102]) by freemail.aecinfo.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA06553; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:42:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mitayai@bricsnet.com) From: "Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe" To: "Vivek Khera" Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD. ORG" Subject: RE: Problems with make world Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:46:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <14699.34088.874506.563646@onceler.kcilink.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG yep, that's it... it's someone else's machine, and i hadn't noticed that they had added that line. Thanks! -MIt -----Original Message----- From: Vivek Khera [mailto:khera@kciLink.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 4:36 PM To: Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD. ORG Subject: Re: Problems with make world >>>>> "WMKR" == Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe writes: WMKR> I just grabbed the latest 3.0-stable sources and am trying to do a 'make WMKR> world' on a 3.2 machine and am getting the same error every time, even when WMKR> i completely erased the /usr/src and tried again... WMKR> the error: WMKR> -O6 -pipe -march=pentiumpro -I/usr/src/usr.bin/ar -Wall -I/usr/obj/usr/ WMKR> src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.bin/ar/append.c WMKR> cc1: Invalid option `arch=pentiumpro' Edit your /etc/make.conf to remove the flag -march=pentiumpro from CFLAGS. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 13:47:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pawn.primelocation.net (pawn.primelocation.net [205.161.238.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25A137B753 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:47:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdf.lists@fxp.org) Received: by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix, from userid 1016) id 391CB9B1C; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E182BA11; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:47:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chris D. Faulhaber" X-Sender: cdf.lists@pawn.primelocation.net To: Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD. ORG" Subject: Re: Problems with make world In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote: > I just grabbed the latest 3.0-stable sources and am trying to do a 'make > world' on a 3.2 machine and am getting the same error every time, even when > i completely erased the /usr/src and tried again... > > the machine: > su-2.03# uname -a > FreeBSD mail.be.bricsnet.com 3.2-STABLE FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE #0: Wed Sep 29 > 14:25:59 CEST 1999 root@mail.bricsnet.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/MAIL > i386 > > the error: > cc -O6 -pipe -march=pentiumpro -I/usr/src/usr.bin/ar -Wall -I/usr/obj/usr/ > src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.bin/ar/append.c > cc1: Invalid option `arch=pentiumpro' > Use sane CFLAGS in /etc/make.conf (like -O -pipe) ----- Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 13:48:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from clyde.goodleaf.net (piscator.seanet.com [199.181.165.218]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553BA37B753 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:48:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goodleaf@goodleaf.net) Received: from clyde.goodleaf.net (clyde.goodleaf.net [192.168.0.2]) by clyde.goodleaf.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05523; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:00:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goodleaf@goodleaf.net) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:00:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Goodleaf" To: John Reynolds~ Cc: Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD. ORG" Subject: Re: Problems with make world In-Reply-To: <14699.34278.853989.243905@hip186.ch.intel.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If I recall correctly, nothing higher than -O is recommended for building world. BTW, I have been using march-pentiumpro for a long time now and have never had a problem. As the others have suggested, you need to edit /etc/make.conf I'd try -pipe -march=pentiumpro -O to see if it works. If not, drop the -O. -J =============================== John Goodleaf goodleaf@goodleaf.net PGP key: finger goodleaf@clyde.goodleaf.net =============================== On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, John Reynolds~ wrote: > > [ On Tuesday, July 11, Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote: ] > > I just grabbed the latest 3.0-stable sources and am trying to do a 'make > > I assume you mean 4.0-stable sources (if you are on a 3.2 machine anyway)? > > > world' on a 3.2 machine and am getting the same error every time, even when > > i completely erased the /usr/src and tried again... > > > > the machine: > > su-2.03# uname -a > > FreeBSD mail.be.bricsnet.com 3.2-STABLE FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE #0: Wed Sep 29 > > 14:25:59 CEST 1999 root@mail.bricsnet.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/MAIL > > i386 > > > > the error: > > cc -O6 -pipe -march=pentiumpro -I/usr/src/usr.bin/ar -Wall -I/usr/obj/usr/ > > src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.bin/ar/append.c > > cc1: Invalid option `arch=pentiumpro' > > Sounds like you've got "-march=pentiumpro" in your /etc/make.conf CCFLAGS > or something. Also, the -O6 leaps out as something that's not entirely a good > idea for building world. > > Get rid of your CFLAGS options (except for maybe -pipe) and try again. > > -jr > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | > | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | > | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 13:50:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from saura.fabricadeideias.com (kubrick.fabricadeideias.com [200.252.250.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7800C37B7D5 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:50:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rodrigo.lists@fabricadeideias.com) Received: (qmail 9891 invoked by uid 514); 11 Jul 2000 20:49:17 -0000 Received: from rodrigo.lists@fabricadeideias.com by saura.fabricadeideias.com with scan4virus-0.52 (iscan: v3.1/v2.062-0402/736/19714. . Clean. Processed in 0.209741 secs); 11/07/2000 17:49:17 Received: from fellini.fabricadeideias.com (HELO fabricadeideias.com) (192.168.109.50) by saura.fabricadeideias.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 20:49:17 -0000 Message-ID: <396B88FF.5E97C636@fabricadeideias.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:52:15 -0300 From: Rodrigo Severo Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E1brica?= de =?iso-8859-1?Q?Id=E9ias?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG unsubscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 14:12:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from steffi.geodesic.com (steffi.geodesic.com [38.193.150.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A28237B6BB for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:12:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pac@geodesic.com) Received: from geodesic.com (pcoyne.geodesic.com [38.193.150.90]) by steffi.geodesic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02014 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:12:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <396B8DC4.28CD9727@geodesic.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:12:36 -0500 From: Paul Coyne X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Cached versus non cached disk I/O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Perhaps not really a STABLE question, sorry - but the expertise level is good here. Can anyone point me to where I might find information if and when disk I/O can/will be cached by FreeBSD, e.g.: Is a mkdir cached? Does a mkdir call from an NFS client wait for a positive response from an NFS server prior to handling the next request? And does the NFS server actually commit the update to disk (let's exclude hardware cache for this discussion), prior to responding to the NFS client. Is this configurable? Same questions for symbolic links. -- // Paul A. Coyne Geodesic Systems, Inc. // mailto:pac@geodesic.com http://www.geodesic.com // voice: 312.832.2059 fax: 312.832.1230 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 14:15:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cfdnet.me.tuns.ca (CFDnet.me.TUNS.Ca [134.190.50.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F176337B6FD; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:15:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bbmail@cfdnet.me.tuns.ca) Received: from localhost (bbmail@localhost) by cfdnet.me.tuns.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12233; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:10:48 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from bbmail@cfdnet.me.tuns.ca) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:10:48 -0300 (ADT) From: Bryan Bursey To: Brad Knowles Cc: Kris Kennaway , "Chad R. Larson" , Marcel Moolenaar , grog@lemis.com, khera@kciLink.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [snip] > > 1. If you have updated your sources, the process of building > a kernel may depend on which version of certain tools may be > installed. Therefore, the only safe way to build a kernel on such a > machine is to do the following: > > make buildworld > make buildkernel > make installkernel > shutdown (drop into single-user mode) > make installworld > mergemaster > reboot > > These steps require that you have defined "KERNEL=WHATEVER" > in /etc/make.conf. If you have not, you will need to add > "kernel=WHATEVER" to the "make installkernel" command above. This > will install the kernel /WHATEVER, and you will need to have > "kernel=/WHATEVER" in /etc/bootloader.conf. > > 2. If you have not updated your sources and just want to > rebuild the kernel with the sources you already have, use the > standard procedure: > > config WHATEVER > cd ../../compile/WHATEVER > make depend > make > make install > > > Note that the steps given in #1 above will install a copy of the > GENERIC kernel. If you have a customized kernel, you'll need to > follow those instructions to install the GENERIC kernel, and then > follow the steps in #2 above to install your customized kernel. > This last paragraph sound wrong to me. If you've defined 'KERNEL=SOMETHING', then it will build the kernel defined by the SOMETHING config file, and _not_ GENERIC. We might also want to include the specifics of the 'chflags' commands that need to be issued for those that prefer not to modify /boot/loader.conf and have the kernel named 'kernel'. Cheers, Bryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 15:12:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00EE137B8D7; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:12:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA99200; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:12:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:12:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Christoph Sold Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stable does not boot after make buildworld, ... Was: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels In-Reply-To: <396B76B0.D8BA4E02@i-clue.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Christoph Sold wrote: > > Summary of Officially Sanctioned Update Procedure: > > > > make buildworld > > make buildkernel > > make installkernel > > shutdown (drop into single-user mode) > > make installworld > > mergemaster > > reboot > > > > Depart from the above procedure at your own risk. Thankyou :-) > > Been there, done that, to the last letter ('kay, I didn't type the > "(drop into single-user..." part). Fresh install from 4.0-Release, > CVSup'ed after the binutils were declared clean. The system panics when > loading linux.ko. Then you didn't follow it to the letter, because your linux.ko is out of sync with your kernel :-) Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 15:16: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from postal.linkfast.net (postal.linkfast.net [208.160.105.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E789B37B889; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:15:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@linkfast.net) Received: by postal.linkfast.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 27A179B0F; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:15:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:15:49 -0500 From: Matthew Fuller To: Lee Cremeans Cc: stable@freebsd.org, multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newpcm and RealPlayer woes Message-ID: <20000711171549.A3929@linkfast.net> References: <20000711044014.A8062@lcremeans.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000711044014.A8062@lcremeans.erols.com>; from lcremeans@erols.com on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 04:40:14AM -0400 X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 04:40:14AM -0400, a little birdie told me that Lee Cremeans remarked > I've been using the newpcm drivers for some time, and they seem to work with > most things, but I've noticed some problems, specifically with the > RealPlayer 7 Beta for linux. The sound seems to jump at the beginning of a > stream, leaving it at least 3-4 seconds behind the counter and any video > content. This makes video streams hard to watch, and also cuts off local > streams early. Also, on remote streams, the sound clicks and squeals loudly > about 1-2 seconds into the stream, and the stream stays out of sync with the > RealPlayer counter the whole time. I have a PR open on this, misc/18728. > > All of this seems to have started happening around the time of the May 12 > MFC, it looks like. I don't know enough about how newpcm works to be able to > offer any advice on fixing the code, but I'd be willing to take a look at it > in my spare time, and I can try any patches someone can come up with. I have > my dmesg pasted below; this is from -STABLE CVSupped Sunday night. FWIW, I've had this same problem with -CURRENT for a long time (since maybe Septemer of last year, give or take, I'm not exactly sure). It lags several seconds with Realplayer, does the same with mtv[p] (gr, need a good MPEG A/V player), BUT stays nicely in sync with .avi's through xanim, and doesn't have near as much lag with XMMS (still .5-1 sec though). pcm0: at port 0x534-0x537,0x388-0x38b,0x220-0x22f irq 5 drq 1,0 on isa0 -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Unix Systems Administrator | fullermd@linkfast.net Specializing in FreeBSD | http://www.over-yonder.net/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 16:26: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ct.home.com [24.2.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F2237B88A for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:25:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsikora@powerusersbbs.com) Received: from powerusersbbs.com ([24.2.168.186]) by mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000711232546.RAMN3097.mail.rdc1.ct.home.com@powerusersbbs.com> for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:25:46 -0700 Message-ID: <396BACFB.3BEE7A28@powerusersbbs.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:25:47 -0400 From: Ted Sikora Organization: Jtl Development Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: kernel build fail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just installed 4.0-RELEASE and cvsup'ed to STABLE. The kernel build fails with an Assembler error. I always do a kernel build before a makeworld. I hate to break tradition. lf -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 ../../i386/i386/bios.c cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 ../../i386/i386/bioscall.s /tmp/ccu12723.s: Assembler messages: /tmp/ccu12723.s:796: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 instruction /tmp/ccu12723.s:861: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 instruction *** Error code 1 - Ted Sikora Jtl Development Group tsikora@powerusersbbs.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 16:48:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pawn.primelocation.net (pawn.primelocation.net [205.161.238.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B776E37B98B; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:48:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jedgar@fxp.org) Received: from earth.causticlabs.com (oca-u1-36.hitter.net [207.192.78.36]) by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DBCB9B1C; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:48:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chris D. Faulhaber" X-Sender: jedgar@earth.causticlabs.com To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.org Subject: More optimization issues? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG While porting another program, I found the following: Using the default CXXFLAGS (-O -pipe): $ g++ -O -pipe ud2cd.cc -o ud2cd /tmp/ccOo2151.o(.gnu.linkonce.d._vt$Q37context20do_hunks__7context.2_11_prep_spa ce+0xc): undefined reference to `fn__Q37context20do_hunks__7context.2_11_prep_sp aceRC6string.671' /tmp/ccOo2151.o(.gnu.linkonce.d._vt$Q57context20do_hunks__7context.4_17_two_piec e_buffer60done__Q37context20do_hunks__7context.1_17_two_piece_buffer.5_10_prep_p lus+0xc): undefined reference to `fn__Q57context20do_hunks__7context.4_17_two_pi ece_buffer60done__Q37context20do_hunks__7context.1_17_two_piece_buffer.5_10_prep _plusRC6string.643' /tmp/ccOo2151.o(.gnu.linkonce.d._vt$Q57context20do_hunks__7context.2_17_two_piec e_buffer60done__Q37context20do_hunks__7context.1_17_two_piece_buffer.3_11_prep_m inus+0xc): undefined reference to `fn__Q57context20do_hunks__7context.2_17_two_p iece_buffer60done__Q37context20do_hunks__7context.1_17_two_piece_buffer.3_11_pre p_minusRC6string.633' /tmp/ccOo2151.o(.gnu.linkonce.d._vt$Q57context20do_hunks__7context.0_17_two_piec e_buffer60done__Q37context20do_hunks__7context.1_17_two_piece_buffer.1_12_prep_e xclam+0xc): undefined reference to `fn__Q57context20do_hunks__7context.0_17_two_ piece_buffer60done__Q37context20do_hunks__7context.1_17_two_piece_buffer.1_12_pr ep_exclamRC6string.614' $ Without CXXFLAGS: $ g++ ud2cd.cc -o ud2cd $ The sources are at: ftp://ftp.ilog.fr/pub/Users/haible/gnu/diffconvert-1.2.tar.gz Is a source problem or another optimization issue? FreeBSD earth.causticlabs.com 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #3: Fri Jul 7 21:12:17 EDT 2000 jedgar@earth.causticlabs.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/EARTH i386 Note: This happens on RELENG_4 before and after the binutils update. CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS are not set in /etc/make.conf ----- Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 16:49:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CED937B8D1 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:49:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel3.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A6CCF1; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (gauss.cup.hp.com [15.28.97.152]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id QAA18999; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396BB279.B6A1DBA6@cup.hp.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:49:13 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Sikora Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: kernel build fail References: <396BACFB.3BEE7A28@powerusersbbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ted Sikora wrote: > > I just installed 4.0-RELEASE and cvsup'ed to STABLE. The kernel build > fails with an Assembler error. I always do a kernel build before a > makeworld. I hate to break tradition. Then you should wait for 4.1-RELEASE to come out and install that (in this case). You should be able to keep with tradition then. -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 17:41:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (mail1.rdc3.on.home.com [24.2.9.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8E237B763 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:41:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cwass99@home.com) Received: from tristan.net ([24.114.108.234]) by mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000712004120.HKWF416.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@tristan.net>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:41:20 -0700 Content-Length: 3737 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:33:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Colin To: Doug White Subject: Re: natd inconsistencies Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm still not sure I understand why this works the way it does, but I'm digging through the code for ipfw and natd, so we'll see where that leads. In the meantime, I can't believe I'm the only person who has hit this. To that end, I'm proposing a minor change to rc.firewall (diff at the end of the message). Specifically, I moved the conditional addition of the divert rule to after the spoofing and RFC1918 rules. I don't see how this could reduce security, and it resolves the issue I saw. Any comments on the advisability of this (good or bad) or can I get someone to move this in for 4.1? Thanks. *** rc.firewall.old Tue Jul 11 20:07:12 2000 --- rc.firewall.new Tue Jul 11 20:54:23 2000 *************** *** 65,83 **** # ${fwcmd} -f flush - ############ - # These rules are required for using natd. All packets are passed to - # natd before they encounter your remaining rules. The firewall rules - # will then be run again on each packet after translation by natd, - # minus any divert rules (see natd(8)). - # - case ${natd_enable} in - [Yy][Ee][Ss]) - if [ -n "${natd_interface}" ]; then - ${fwcmd} add divert natd all from any to any via ${natd_interface} - fi - ;; - esac ############ # If you just configured ipfw in the kernel as a tool to solve network --- 65,70 ---- *************** *** 165,171 **** imask="255.255.255.240" iip="192.0.2.17" ! # Stop spoofing ${fwcmd} add deny all from ${inet}:${imask} to any in via ${oif} ${fwcmd} add deny all from ${onet}:${omask} to any in via ${iif} --- 152,158 ---- imask="255.255.255.240" iip="192.0.2.17" ! # Stop spoofing. These rules should preceed the divert rule for natd if used. ${fwcmd} add deny all from ${inet}:${imask} to any in via ${oif} ${fwcmd} add deny all from ${onet}:${omask} to any in via ${iif} *************** *** 176,181 **** --- 163,183 ---- ${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 172.16.0.0/12 via ${oif} ${fwcmd} add deny all from 192.168.0.0/16 to any via ${oif} ${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 192.168.0.0/16 via ${oif} + + + ############ + # These rules are required for using natd. All packets are passed to + # natd before they encounter your remaining rules. The firewall rules + # will then be run again on each packet after translation by natd, + # minus any divert rules (see natd(8)). + # + case ${natd_enable} in + [Yy][Ee][Ss]) + if [ -n "${natd_interface}" ]; then + ${fwcmd} add divert natd all from any to any via ${natd_interface} + fi + ;; + esac # Stop draft-manning-dsua-01.txt nets on the outside interface ${fwcmd} add deny all from 0.0.0.0/8 to any via ${oif} On 10-Jul-00 Doug White wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Colin wrote: > >> I found this rule was the problem using ipfw show (a very useful >> command >> when you're building a ruleset to see what is blocking you) which is why I >> moved it. My concern is that it shouldn't block packets from an external >> source (eg www.FreeBSD.org ;) to 192.168.0.0/24. It should only block >> packets >> from that network incoming on the external interface. I understood natd >> would >> alter the dest addr on the inbound packet if it was in the table but not >> touch >> the source addr. Is this not the case? Or am I missing something obvious >> in >> the operation? > > Don't forget about the return packets :) > > Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve > dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org Cheers, Colin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 17:45: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from reticent.troll.no (tacoma-narrows-bridge-disaster.troll.no [195.0.255.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C67A37BA34 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:44:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bhughes@trolltech.com) Received: (qmail 7098 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Jul 2000 00:44:20 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Jul 2000 00:44:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 02:44:20 +0200 (CEST) From: "Bradley T. Hughes" X-Sender: bhughes@reticent.troll.no To: "Chris D. Faulhaber" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, obrien@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: More optimization issues? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Chris D. Faulhaber wrote: > While porting another program, I found the following: > > Using the default CXXFLAGS (-O -pipe): you might try adding -fsquangle to the CXXFLAGS and see if that helps > $ g++ -O -pipe ud2cd.cc -o ud2cd > /tmp/ccOo2151.o(.gnu.linkonce.d._vt$Q37context20do_hunks__7context.2_11_prep_spa > ce+0xc): undefined reference to > `fn__Q37context20do_hunks__7context.2_11_prep_sp > aceRC6string.671' > /tmp/ccOo2151.o(.gnu.linkonce.d._vt$Q57context20do_hunks__7context.4_17_two_piec > e_buffer60done__Q37context20do_hunks__7context.1_17_two_piece_buffer.5_10_prep_p > lus+0xc): undefined reference to > `fn__Q57context20do_hunks__7context.4_17_two_pi > ece_buffer60done__Q37context20do_hunks__7context.1_17_two_piece_buffer.5_10_prep > _plusRC6string.643' > /tmp/ccOo2151.o(.gnu.linkonce.d._vt$Q57context20do_hunks__7context.2_17_two_piec > e_buffer60done__Q37context20do_hunks__7context.1_17_two_piece_buffer.3_11_prep_m > inus+0xc): undefined reference to > `fn__Q57context20do_hunks__7context.2_17_two_p > iece_buffer60done__Q37context20do_hunks__7context.1_17_two_piece_buffer.3_11_pre > p_minusRC6string.633' > /tmp/ccOo2151.o(.gnu.linkonce.d._vt$Q57context20do_hunks__7context.0_17_two_piec > e_buffer60done__Q37context20do_hunks__7context.1_17_two_piece_buffer.1_12_prep_e > xclam+0xc): undefined reference to > `fn__Q57context20do_hunks__7context.0_17_two_ > piece_buffer60done__Q37context20do_hunks__7context.1_17_two_piece_buffer.1_12_pr > ep_exclamRC6string.614' > $ > > Without CXXFLAGS: > $ g++ ud2cd.cc -o ud2cd > $ > > The sources are > at: ftp://ftp.ilog.fr/pub/Users/haible/gnu/diffconvert-1.2.tar.gz > > Is a source problem or another optimization issue? > > FreeBSD earth.causticlabs.com 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #3: Fri Jul 7 > 21:12:17 EDT 2000 jedgar@earth.causticlabs.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/EARTH > i386 > > Note: This happens on RELENG_4 before and after the binutils update. > CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS are not set in /etc/make.conf > > ----- > Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org > -------------------------------------------------------- > FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- Bradley T. Hughes Waldemar Thranes gt. 98B N-0175 Oslo, Norway Office: +47 21 60 48 92 Mobile: +47 92 01 97 81 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 17:46:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pawn.primelocation.net (pawn.primelocation.net [205.161.238.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C7C37BB2C; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:46:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jedgar@fxp.org) Received: by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix, from userid 1003) id F05249B1C; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EEDBA11; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:46:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chris D. Faulhaber" X-Sender: jedgar@pawn.primelocation.net To: "Bradley T. Hughes" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, obrien@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: More optimization issues? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Bradley T. Hughes wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Chris D. Faulhaber wrote: > > > While porting another program, I found the following: > > > > Using the default CXXFLAGS (-O -pipe): > > you might try adding -fsquangle to the CXXFLAGS and see if that helps > Nope, didn't help ----- Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 17:56:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ct.home.com [24.2.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E4237B9AF for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:56:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsikora@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.2.168.186]) by mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000712005644.SUXP3097.mail.rdc1.ct.home.com@home.com> for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:56:44 -0700 Message-ID: <396BC2F4.87705A16@home.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:59:32 -0400 From: Ted Sikora Organization: Jtl Development Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: kernel build fail References: <396BACFB.3BEE7A28@powerusersbbs.com> <396BB279.B6A1DBA6@cup.hp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > Ted Sikora wrote: > > > > I just installed 4.0-RELEASE and cvsup'ed to STABLE. The kernel build > > fails with an Assembler error. I always do a kernel build before a > > makeworld. I hate to break tradition. > > Then you should wait for 4.1-RELEASE to come out and install that (in > this case). You should be able to keep with tradition then. > I was kidding! I just did a makeworld I'll try it again. Is the new way make buildkernel a must or does the old way work just as well. I got the error either way. -- Ted Sikora Jtl Development Group tsikora@powerusersbbs.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 18:25:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.itga.com.au (ns.itga.com.au [202.53.40.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF11E37BA3D for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:25:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by ns.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA61381 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:25:44 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by lightning.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12321; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:25:44 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200007120125.LAA12321@lightning.itga.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 From: Gregory Bond To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Can we put softupdates in GENERIC install kernel? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:25:43 +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doing installs from CD is really slow, especially the ports collection (which creates thousands of tiny files). I've often thought that softupdates would make the install much faster, but of course the licencing issues made that impossible. But now that the licencing has changed, can we put softupdates into the install kernel (and the consequent changes to sysinstall etc)? This would have the positive side-effect of making disk writes faster for those many users who never configure new kernels, or just use variants of the GENERIC config, thus closing the gap in "out of the box" disk performance with other, less cautious, operating systems. The downside is probably more memory needed to do the install.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 18:33:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415B437BA52 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:33:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D7EC71C66; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:33:54 -0400 From: Bill Fumerola To: Gregory Bond Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can we put softupdates in GENERIC install kernel? Message-ID: <20000711213354.R4034@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: <200007120125.LAA12321@lightning.itga.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200007120125.LAA12321@lightning.itga.com.au>; from gnb@itga.com.au on Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 11:25:43AM +1000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 11:25:43AM +1000, Gregory Bond wrote: > Doing installs from CD is really slow, especially the ports collection (which > creates thousands of tiny files). I've often thought that softupdates would > make the install much faster, but of course the licencing issues made that > impossible. To answer this FAQ: Installs (or at least the ports tree) are done mounted async, so any performance gain from softupdates is already obtained by mounting async. This has been the default for a long time. -- Bill Fumerola - Network Architect / Computer Horizons Corp - CHIMES e-mail: billf@chimesnet.com / billf@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 19:13:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.uniserve.com (mail2.uniserve.com [204.244.156.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E0E37B673 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:13:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca ([204.244.186.218]) by mail2.uniserve.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13CC22-0009C3-00; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:13:51 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:13:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Paul Coyne Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cached versus non cached disk I/O In-Reply-To: <396B8DC4.28CD9727@geodesic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Paul Coyne wrote: > Perhaps not really a STABLE question, sorry - but the expertise level is > good here. > > Can anyone point me to where I might find information if and when disk > I/O can/will be cached by FreeBSD, e.g.: > > Is a mkdir cached? mkdir() updates metadata. All metadata updates are written to disk before returning, whether on a local or NFS filesystem. NFS can be put into async mode, so the server will ack all requests (metadata updates, as well as file writes) as soon as they are received (sysctl -w vfs.nfs.async=1). The filesystem can be put into async (or softupdates) mode so that local metadata update functions return before the metadata is actualy written to disk. Tom Uniserve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 19:18: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web3106.mail.yahoo.com (web3106.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.191]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 04DD537B828 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:18:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsstan@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20000712025107.15159.qmail@web3106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [150.159.224.8] by web3106.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:51:07 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:51:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Stanaford Subject: Re: Cached versus non cached disk I/O To: Tom , Paul Coyne Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --- Tom wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Paul Coyne wrote: > The filesystem can be put into async (or softupdates) mode so that > local metadata update functions return before the metadata is actualy > written to disk. Doesn't 'asyncing' the filesystem make it more fragile? Or did I read the Handbook/Making the World section wrong? -Richard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 19:37:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ct.home.com [24.2.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5CA37BA81 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:37:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsikora@powerusersbbs.com) Received: from powerusersbbs.com ([24.2.168.186]) by mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000712023718.UXIN3097.mail.rdc1.ct.home.com@powerusersbbs.com> for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:37:18 -0700 Message-ID: <396BD9DF.4031F1B4@powerusersbbs.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:37:19 -0400 From: Ted Sikora Organization: Jtl Development Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: kernel build fail References: <396BACFB.3BEE7A28@powerusersbbs.com> <396BB279.B6A1DBA6@cup.hp.com> <396BC2F4.87705A16@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ted Sikora wrote: > > Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > > Ted Sikora wrote: > > > > > > I just installed 4.0-RELEASE and cvsup'ed to STABLE. The kernel build > > > fails with an Assembler error. I always do a kernel build before a > > > makeworld. I hate to break tradition. > > > > Then you should wait for 4.1-RELEASE to come out and install that (in > > this case). You should be able to keep with tradition then. > > > I was kidding! I just did a makeworld I'll try it again. Is the new way > make buildkernel a must or does the old way work just as well. I got the > error either way. > It worked! After a build/installworld I remade the kernel with make build/installkernel. All's well except now Linux emulation is broken. Any linux app produces: ELF interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2 not found Abort trap Any ideas? -- Ted Sikora Jtl Development Group tsikora@powerusersbbs.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 19:47:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFA537B828 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:47:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4732106; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (p1000180.nsr.hp.com [15.109.0.180]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id TAA24951; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396BDC37.6C28CF9F@cup.hp.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:47:19 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Sikora Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: kernel build fail References: <396BACFB.3BEE7A28@powerusersbbs.com> <396BB279.B6A1DBA6@cup.hp.com> <396BC2F4.87705A16@home.com> <396BD9DF.4031F1B4@powerusersbbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ted Sikora wrote: > > It worked! After a build/installworld I remade the kernel with > make build/installkernel. All's well except now Linux emulation is > broken. Any linux app produces: > ELF interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2 not found > Abort trap > > Any ideas? I believe this is caused by a change in how we brand binaries. rebrand /compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig and run it. HTH, -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 20:20: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB44B37BB49; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30673; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:49:56 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:49:56 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Brad Knowles , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Message-ID: <20000712124955.K30262@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday, 11 July 2000 at 3:30:31 -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Brad Knowles wrote: > >> I'm slightly confused by which method is appropriate when. > > Your summary looks good (except the boot loader config file is > /boot/loader.conf). Something like this should be committed to the docs - > could you resubmit this to doc@freebsd.org? I'd *far* prefer to get both methods into line with each other so that it doesn't make any difference whether you do a 'make buildkernel' in /usr/src or a 'make all' in /usr/src/sys/compile/FOO. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 20:26:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E98F37B691 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:26:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30730; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:52:23 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:52:23 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: Peter van Heusden , Brad Knowles , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yourkernels Message-ID: <20000712125222.L30262@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <396B63DD.7A6F4023@cup.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <396B63DD.7A6F4023@cup.hp.com> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday, 11 July 2000 at 11:13:49 -0700, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > Peter van Heusden wrote: >> >> so, the kernels built are defined by KERNEL - there is no >> default. > > The default is GENERIC. It should be easy enough to extract a more likely default from uname -v. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 20:54:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net [129.250.36.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD74837B9EC for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:54:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from edb@wwa.com) Received: from [129.250.38.64] (helo=dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13CDbB-0003zV-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 03:54:13 +0000 Received: from [157.238.135.242] (helo=wwa.com) by dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13CDbA-0005Gp-00 for stable@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 03:54:12 +0000 Message-ID: <396BEBD2.85B650AC@wwa.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:53:54 -0500 From: Ed Bravo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 20:59:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from addr2.addr.com (addr.com [209.249.147.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013B937BA63 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:59:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwpauler@jwpages.com) Received: from pauler.lgtch02.fais.net (pauler.lgtch02.fais.net [208.249.141.31]) by addr2.addr.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA05698 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:57:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwpauler@jwpages.com) From: "Justin W. Pauler" Organization: JWPages Web Design To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sound still messed up. Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:54:03 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00071117595002.01459@pauler.lgtch02.fais.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Let me add a little more information from mine that I forgot.. (77) drnet@pauler: ~> uname -a FreeBSD pauler.lgtch02.fais.net 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #1: Sun Jul 9 13:46:53 GMT 2000 (78) drnet@pauler: ~> dmesg | grep pcm pcm0: at port 0x220-0x22f,0x530-0x537,0x388-0x38f,0x330-0x331,0x370-0x371 irq 5 drq 0,1 on isa0 (79) drnet@pauler: ~> cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jul 9 2000 13:45:25 Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0x530 irq 5 drq 0:1 (1p/1r channels duplex) XMMS 1.0.1 Kernel: device pcm System: Pentium II 233 w/MMX 96MB RAM Like I said earlier, I don't have any problems in X w/KDE. I have even tried making my own mp3's and the quality is still good, even at the console without X running. I do hear the static when switching consoles but it is very quiet and almost un-noticeable. Could this actually be coming from the video card? This card is actually supposed to be one of the lower-end models so I would expect problems with it before any Sound Blaster product. On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Charlie ROOT wrote: > Sound works fine over here (3.4-R), but I have noticed noise on mouse and > HD activity. Then again, I remember hearing such noises under Linux and > Windoze, and have resigned myself to live with it until I: > a) get a sound card with an external power supply, > b) get a sound card with digital output, or > c) take out the old soldering iron and attach a capacitor across the ISA > bus power contacts. > > > On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Justin W. Pauler wrote: > > > All I can add to this topic is that this driver works perfectly with only a > > very few problems here. The audio is very clear, however, I do hear the small > > amount of static when changing consoles, but I also remember having this > > problem in Linux :P not being able to fix it there either. > > > > pauler# cat /dev/sndstat > > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jul 9 2000 13:45:25 > > Installed devices: > > pcm0: at io 0x530 irq 5 drq 0:1 (1p/1r channels duplex) > > pauler# > > > > Justin W. Pauler (jwpauler@jwpages.com) > > JWPages Web Development (http://www.jwpages.com) > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Justin W. Pauler JWPages Web Development E-Mail: jwpauler@jwpages.com WWW: http://www.jwpages.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 21: 2:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.flashcom.net (3ff83059.dsl.flashcom.net [63.248.48.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221AE37BB43 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:02:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cgaff@mail.flashcom.net) Received: (from cgaff@localhost) by mail.flashcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23725; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:57:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from cgaff) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:57:49 -0500 From: "Corey G." To: Ed Bravo Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: subscribe Message-ID: <20000711225749.B23646@flashcom.net> References: <396BEBD2.85B650AC@wwa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <396BEBD2.85B650AC@wwa.com>; from edb@wwa.com on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 10:53:54PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You dope, wrong address. You better filter now bubba. Unless of course they forward subscriptions to the list, then you are innocent. On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 10:53:54PM -0500, Ed Bravo wrote: > subscribe > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message ---end quoted text--- -- Best Regards, Corey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 21: 6:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.uniserve.com (mail2.uniserve.com [204.244.156.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6FAB37BB6F for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:06:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca ([204.244.186.218]) by mail2.uniserve.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13CDnB-000B8o-00; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:06:37 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:06:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Richard Stanaford Cc: Paul Coyne , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cached versus non cached disk I/O In-Reply-To: <20000712025107.15159.qmail@web3106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Richard Stanaford wrote: > --- Tom wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Paul Coyne wrote: > > > The filesystem can be put into async (or softupdates) mode so that > > local metadata update functions return before the metadata is actualy > > written to disk. > > Doesn't 'asyncing' the filesystem make it more fragile? Or did I read the > Handbook/Making the World section wrong? Yes it does, but I made no statement saying it was fragile or not. It should be obvious that write-buffering metadata can cause problems, even with softupdates, though softupdates is clearly better than async. > -Richard Tom Uniserve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 21:31:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bulls.mei.co.jp (bulls.mei.co.jp [202.224.189.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B2737BB12; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:31:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from takamune@vrl.mei.co.jp) Received: by bulls.mei.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id NAB08759; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:31:48 +0900 (JST) Received: by mariners.mei.co.jp (8.9.1/3.7W) with ESMTP id NAA15476; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:31:48 +0900 (JST) Received: by dream.vrl.mei.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-11/29/99) id NAA98902; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:31:38 +0900 (JST) To: obrien@FreeBSD.org Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Failure of buildworld From: Kazu TAKAMUNE X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000712133138R.takamune@vrl.mei.co.jp> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:31:38 +0900 X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 20 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, David. Please MFC `src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c'. # cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol # make depend rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c:45: machine/lpt.h: No such file or directory mkdep: compile failed *** Error code 1 My FreeBSD-STABLE box doesn't have `/usr/include/machine/lpt.h' since your last commit to `src/sys/i386/include/lpt.h'. Thanks. --- Kazu TAKAMUNE mailto:takamune@avrl.mei.co.jp Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.(National/Panasonic) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 21:32:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ct.home.com [24.2.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3064E37BB12 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:32:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsikora@powerusersbbs.com) Received: from powerusersbbs.com ([24.2.168.186]) by mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000712043207.WYON3097.mail.rdc1.ct.home.com@powerusersbbs.com>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:32:07 -0700 Message-ID: <396BF4C8.E5C88B84@powerusersbbs.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:32:08 -0400 From: Ted Sikora Organization: Jtl Development Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcel Moolenaar , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: kernel build fail References: <396BACFB.3BEE7A28@powerusersbbs.com> <396BB279.B6A1DBA6@cup.hp.com> <396BC2F4.87705A16@home.com> <396BD9DF.4031F1B4@powerusersbbs.com> <396BDC37.6C28CF9F@cup.hp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > Ted Sikora wrote: > > > > It worked! After a build/installworld I remade the kernel with > > make build/installkernel. All's well except now Linux emulation is > > broken. Any linux app produces: > > ELF interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2 not found > > Abort trap > > > > Any ideas? > > I believe this is caused by a change in how we brand binaries. rebrand > /compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig and run it. > One problem after another! I branded ldconfig Linux now it core dumps. Same with all Linux executables. I tried -f ELF, etc. No luck. -- Ted Sikora Jtl Development Group tsikora@powerusersbbs.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 21:34: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.flashcom.net (3ff83059.dsl.flashcom.net [63.248.48.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB1737B788 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:34:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cgaff@mail.flashcom.net) Received: (from cgaff@localhost) by mail.flashcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23812; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:29:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from cgaff) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:29:30 -0500 From: "Corey G." To: Ed Bravo Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: subscribe Message-ID: <20000711232930.D23646@flashcom.net> References: <396BEBD2.85B650AC@wwa.com> <20000711225749.B23646@flashcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20000711225749.B23646@flashcom.net>; from cgaff@flashcom.net on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 10:57:49PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This accidentally came to the list. Sorry folks. The cc was an accident. On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 10:57:49PM -0500, Corey G. wrote: > You dope, wrong address. You better filter now bubba. > Unless of course they forward subscriptions to the list, then you are > innocent. > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 10:53:54PM -0500, Ed Bravo wrote: > > subscribe > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > ---end quoted text--- > > -- > Best Regards, > Corey > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message ---end quoted text--- -- Best Regards, Corey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 22: 1: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E04D837BB12 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:00:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 16036 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2000 05:00:53 -0000 Received: from pc19f6095.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO speedy.gsinet) (193.159.96.149) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2000 05:00:53 -0000 Received: (from sittig@localhost) by speedy.gsinet (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA27166 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:47:16 +0200 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:47:16 +0200 From: Gerhard Sittig To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels Message-ID: <20000711214716.I24476@speedy.gsinet> Mail-Followup-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <00b801bfeb66$94ab2960$9b239fc0@mobocracy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <00b801bfeb66$94ab2960$9b239fc0@mobocracy>; from swb@grasslake.net on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 01:33:58PM -0500 Organization: System Defenestrators Inc. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 13:33 -0500, Shawn Barnhart wrote: > > I guess I don't care which tools I use, so long as they do the > right thing, and, most importantly THAT THE METHODS ARE TOTALLY > DOCUMENTED WITH ALL THE QUIRKS IN THE FSCK'N HANDBOOK AND NOT > JUST IN THE MAILING LIST ARCHIVE! Which is the point where you will get (for a very good reason) as an answer: "Contribute to make this happen (more quickly and closer to development)! Read the list, compare it to the doc and feedback your diffs to update the latter. Or pay someone else to do this. Or pick up somebody else's work to free his / her resources for the doc update. Don't say 'somebody should ... since I expect to find' but do something to make it more probable to happen!" The alternative would be to take the (maybe not absolutely up to date) doc which came with your installation media and complete it with the online resources available for this very purpose. virtually yours 82D1 9B9C 01DC 4FB4 D7B4 61BE 3F49 4F77 72DE DA76 Gerhard Sittig true | mail -s "get gpg key" Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 22: 1: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CFE7D37BB64 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:00:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 16067 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2000 05:00:55 -0000 Received: from pc19f6095.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO speedy.gsinet) (193.159.96.149) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2000 05:00:55 -0000 Received: (from sittig@localhost) by speedy.gsinet (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26683 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:29:57 +0200 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:29:57 +0200 From: Gerhard Sittig To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make your kernels Message-ID: <20000711182957.C24476@speedy.gsinet> Mail-Followup-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from pvh@egenetics.com on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 01:29:47PM +0200 Organization: System Defenestrators Inc. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 13:29 +0200, Peter van Heusden wrote: > > >from Makefile.inc1: > > BUILDKERNELS= > INSTALLKERNEL= > .for _kernel in ${KERNEL} > .if exists(${KRNLCONFDIR}/${_kernel}) > BUILDKERNELS+= ${_kernel} > .if empty(INSTALLKERNEL) > INSTALLKERNEL= ${_kernel} > .endif > .endif > .endfor > > [ ... ] > > so, the kernels built are defined by KERNEL - there is no > default. Personally, I can certainly live with this procedure, > now that it has been explained adaquately. If I don't misread the above code _all_ kernels in ${KERNEL} are built and the _first_ one of them gets installed. Unless I'm wrong ... virtually yours 82D1 9B9C 01DC 4FB4 D7B4 61BE 3F49 4F77 72DE DA76 Gerhard Sittig true | mail -s "get gpg key" Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 22: 1:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B60D37BB89 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:00:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 16095 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2000 05:00:56 -0000 Received: from pc19f6095.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO speedy.gsinet) (193.159.96.149) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2000 05:00:56 -0000 Received: (from sittig@localhost) by speedy.gsinet (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26686 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:56:01 +0200 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:56:01 +0200 From: Gerhard Sittig To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Message-ID: <20000711185601.D24476@speedy.gsinet> Mail-Followup-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from blk@skynet.be on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 12:38:23PM +0200 Organization: System Defenestrators Inc. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 12:38 +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: > > [ ... ] however part of the point I was trying to make is that > the new procedure is rather more complex than what we had been > doing so far, and that perhaps this process should be improved. > ;-) The point I was taking from this HEADS UP was as such: You're free (and welcome) to do what you did before. But if you do and fail, HELP YOURSELF. Because you _can_ -- or at least are supposed to be able to. - If unsure whether you did something wrong (or want to try a different mechanism than the one you're stuck with) or - if unsure whether to report a broken build or discover you where the problem yourself and don't want to publish this too soon or - if dazed of all the dependencies and afraid of learning about all of them right now (maybe the hard way) - or to MAKE SURE IN GENERAL go follow the safe road. And otherwise be prepared to hear "You wanted it, you got it. Go and correct your own mistakes. And take it as a lesson for the next time. And when in doubt leave the list members alone from this "failure" which isn't one!". I read this HEADS UP as an aid for the faint of heart or the ones searching for a "simple, straight and success promising path" with not much decisions to make or learning effort to pay before. It's the usual "Use the resources available at your own hands before bothering others" and I do understand this *very* well. Given the fact that the buildworld time can be used to do something useful (reading docs or reading email messages or searching the archives or writing some code or paper or whatever is the current task for "when there's a silent moment", and rumours say there's a life besides computers, too:) this isn't too hard a restriction. And given todays desktop machines the buildworld time seems tolerable (two hours of background work maybe?). This holds even more when updating is not the primary job of the machine in itself but only happens a few times a year. Unless you're toying with FreeBSD and are willing to spend this time (to repeat it: it's background time and nothing you _have_ to wait for unless actively developing code) or are able to cut corners -- but see above and blame yourself for failures. This is a "quick" and safe (no quotes!) work around for the repeatedly reported non-failures taking burdon from the list. And I'm convinced the procedure will be smoothened / speed up / improved / made more flexible / whatever as time passes ... virtually yours 82D1 9B9C 01DC 4FB4 D7B4 61BE 3F49 4F77 72DE DA76 Gerhard Sittig true | mail -s "get gpg key" Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 22: 8:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from area51.slashnet.org (area51.slashnet.org [208.222.214.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E290437BBA4 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:08:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from smkelly@zombie.org) Received: from edgemaster.zombie.org (cx497943-c.omhaw1.ne.home.com [24.7.36.238]) by area51.slashnet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E6D14D44C; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by edgemaster.zombie.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BA06A98D3; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:08:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:08:47 -0500 From: Sean Kelly To: "Justin W. Pauler" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sound still messed up. Message-ID: <20000712000847.A22515@edgemaster.zombie.org> References: <00071117595002.01459@pauler.lgtch02.fais.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <00071117595002.01459@pauler.lgtch02.fais.net>; from jwpauler@jwpages.com on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 05:54:03PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 05:54:03PM -0500, Justin W. Pauler wrote: > Let me add a little more information from mine that I forgot.. I'll do the same. > FreeBSD pauler.lgtch02.fais.net 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #1: Sun Jul 9 13:46:53 GMT 2000 > (78) drnet@pauler: ~> dmesg | grep pcm > pcm0: at port 0x220-0x22f,0x530-0x537,0x388-0x38f,0x330-0x331,0x370-0x371 irq 5 drq 0,1 on isa0 > (79) drnet@pauler: ~> cat /dev/sndstat > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jul 9 2000 13:45:25 > Installed devices: > pcm0: at io 0x530 irq 5 drq 0:1 (1p/1r channels duplex) > > XMMS 1.0.1 > > Kernel: > device pcm > > System: > Pentium II 233 w/MMX > 96MB RAM I've got a similar configuration... FreeBSD edgemaster.zombie.org 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Sun Jul 9 17:49 :48 CDT 2000 root@edgemaster.zombie.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/EDGEMASTER i386 /kernel: pcm0: port 0xe800-0xe81f irq 11 at device 17.0 on pci0 /kernel: vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jul 9 2000 17:48:42 Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0xe800 irq 11 (1p/0r channels duplex) device pcm System: PII 333 128MB RAM > Like I said earlier, I don't have any problems in X w/KDE. I have even tried > making my own mp3's and the quality is still good, even at the console without > X running. I do hear the static when switching consoles but it is very quiet > and almost un-noticeable. Could this actually be coming from the video card? I have no problems at all in X. I have the console changing static, but it is very short and hard to notice as you mentioned. The one I notice most is when the mouse cursor moves on the text console. The X cursor causes no static, so it has nothing to do with the mouse. I've got a Matrox Millenium G400 Dual 32MB and a SB128PCI. I'm not sure if it could be a conflict, but that'd be interresting to look into. > This card is actually supposed to be one of the lower-end models so I would > expect problems with it before any Sound Blaster product. -- Sean Kelly or PGP KeyID: 4AC781C7 ICQ UIN: 27955995 EFAX: (603) 372-1638 IRC: drdink@SlashNET To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 22:26: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from addr2.addr.com (addr.com [209.249.147.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3E837BC37 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:25:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwpauler@jwpages.com) Received: from pauler.lgtch02.fais.net (pauler.lgtch02.fais.net [208.249.141.31]) by addr2.addr.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA67177 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:23:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwpauler@jwpages.com) From: "Justin W. Pauler" Organization: JWPages Web Design To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sound still messed up. Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:17:56 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <00071117595002.01459@pauler.lgtch02.fais.net> <20000712000847.A22515@edgemaster.zombie.org> In-Reply-To: <20000712000847.A22515@edgemaster.zombie.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00071119260300.01555@pauler.lgtch02.fais.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sean, Well, yes, it could be a conflict and that is something I think someone should check into. However, could it possibly even in the case itself? Is it possible for the video card, in the process of switching from the all the graphics out to the text cause the card to emit some type of interference. This interference being picked up by the sound card. I might try moving my cards around if I get some free time. I don't know about you, but I have the video card and the sound card fairly close to each other, it came like that from the factory. Seeing as how I had this same problem in Linux but not in Windows, this seems to be a possibility to me. On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Sean Kelly wrote: > On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 05:54:03PM -0500, Justin W. Pauler wrote: > > Let me add a little more information from mine that I forgot.. > > I'll do the same. > > > FreeBSD pauler.lgtch02.fais.net 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #1: Sun Jul 9 13:46:53 GMT 2000 > > (78) drnet@pauler: ~> dmesg | grep pcm > > pcm0: at port 0x220-0x22f,0x530-0x537,0x388-0x38f,0x330-0x331,0x370-0x371 irq 5 drq 0,1 on isa0 > > (79) drnet@pauler: ~> cat /dev/sndstat > > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jul 9 2000 13:45:25 > > Installed devices: > > pcm0: at io 0x530 irq 5 drq 0:1 (1p/1r channels duplex) > > > > XMMS 1.0.1 > > > > Kernel: > > device pcm > > > > System: > > Pentium II 233 w/MMX > > 96MB RAM > > I've got a similar configuration... > > FreeBSD edgemaster.zombie.org 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Sun Jul 9 17:49 > :48 CDT 2000 root@edgemaster.zombie.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/EDGEMASTER i386 > > /kernel: pcm0: port 0xe800-0xe81f irq 11 at device 17.0 on pci0 > /kernel: vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 > > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jul 9 2000 17:48:42 > Installed devices: > pcm0: at io 0xe800 irq 11 (1p/0r channels duplex) > > device pcm > > System: PII 333 128MB RAM > > > Like I said earlier, I don't have any problems in X w/KDE. I have even tried > > making my own mp3's and the quality is still good, even at the console without > > X running. I do hear the static when switching consoles but it is very quiet > > and almost un-noticeable. Could this actually be coming from the video card? > > I have no problems at all in X. I have the console changing static, but it > is very short and hard to notice as you mentioned. The one I notice most > is when the mouse cursor moves on the text console. The X cursor causes no > static, so it has nothing to do with the mouse. I've got a Matrox Millenium > G400 Dual 32MB and a SB128PCI. I'm not sure if it could be a conflict, > but that'd be interresting to look into. > > > This card is actually supposed to be one of the lower-end models so I would > > expect problems with it before any Sound Blaster product. > > -- > Sean Kelly or > PGP KeyID: 4AC781C7 ICQ UIN: 27955995 > EFAX: (603) 372-1638 IRC: drdink@SlashNET > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Justin W. Pauler JWPages Web Development E-Mail: jwpauler@jwpages.com WWW: http://www.jwpages.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 22:29: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from addr2.addr.com (addr.com [209.249.147.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDACB37BBC0 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:29:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwpauler@jwpages.com) Received: from pauler.lgtch02.fais.net (pauler.lgtch02.fais.net [208.249.141.31]) by addr2.addr.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA71212 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:26:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwpauler@jwpages.com) From: "Justin W. Pauler" Organization: JWPages Web Design To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sound still messed up. Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:28:34 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20000712000847.A22515@edgemaster.zombie.org> <00071119260300.01555@pauler.lgtch02.fais.net> In-Reply-To: <00071119260300.01555@pauler.lgtch02.fais.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00071119290901.01555@pauler.lgtch02.fais.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sean, And the video card in this system vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Justin W. Pauler wrote: > Sean, > > Well, yes, it could be a conflict and that is something I think someone > should check into. > > However, could it possibly even in the case itself? Is it possible for the > video card, in the process of switching from the all the graphics out to > the text cause the card to emit some type of interference. This > interference being picked up by the sound card. > > I might try moving my cards around if I get some free time. I don't know about > you, but I have the video card and the sound card fairly close to each other, it > came like that from the factory. > > Seeing as how I had this same problem in Linux but not in Windows, this seems > to be a possibility to me. > > On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Sean Kelly wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 05:54:03PM -0500, Justin W. Pauler wrote: > > > Let me add a little more information from mine that I forgot.. > > > > I'll do the same. > > > > > FreeBSD pauler.lgtch02.fais.net 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #1: Sun Jul 9 13:46:53 GMT 2000 > > > (78) drnet@pauler: ~> dmesg | grep pcm > > > pcm0: at port 0x220-0x22f,0x530-0x537,0x388-0x38f,0x330-0x331,0x370-0x371 irq 5 drq 0,1 on isa0 > > > (79) drnet@pauler: ~> cat /dev/sndstat > > > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jul 9 2000 13:45:25 > > > Installed devices: > > > pcm0: at io 0x530 irq 5 drq 0:1 (1p/1r channels duplex) > > > > > > XMMS 1.0.1 > > > > > > Kernel: > > > device pcm > > > > > > System: > > > Pentium II 233 w/MMX > > > 96MB RAM > > > > I've got a similar configuration... > > > > FreeBSD edgemaster.zombie.org 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Sun Jul 9 17:49 > > :48 CDT 2000 root@edgemaster.zombie.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/EDGEMASTER i386 > > > > /kernel: pcm0: port 0xe800-0xe81f irq 11 at device 17.0 on pci0 > > /kernel: vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 > > > > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jul 9 2000 17:48:42 > > Installed devices: > > pcm0: at io 0xe800 irq 11 (1p/0r channels duplex) > > > > device pcm > > > > System: PII 333 128MB RAM > > > > > Like I said earlier, I don't have any problems in X w/KDE. I have even tried > > > making my own mp3's and the quality is still good, even at the console without > > > X running. I do hear the static when switching consoles but it is very quiet > > > and almost un-noticeable. Could this actually be coming from the video card? > > > > I have no problems at all in X. I have the console changing static, but it > > is very short and hard to notice as you mentioned. The one I notice most > > is when the mouse cursor moves on the text console. The X cursor causes no > > static, so it has nothing to do with the mouse. I've got a Matrox Millenium > > G400 Dual 32MB and a SB128PCI. I'm not sure if it could be a conflict, > > but that'd be interresting to look into. > > > > > This card is actually supposed to be one of the lower-end models so I would > > > expect problems with it before any Sound Blaster product. > > > > -- > > Sean Kelly or > > PGP KeyID: 4AC781C7 ICQ UIN: 27955995 > > EFAX: (603) 372-1638 IRC: drdink@SlashNET > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- > Justin W. Pauler > JWPages Web Development > E-Mail: jwpauler@jwpages.com > WWW: http://www.jwpages.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Justin W. Pauler JWPages Web Development E-Mail: jwpauler@jwpages.com WWW: http://www.jwpages.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 22:51:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from public.bta.net.cn (public.bta.net.cn [202.96.0.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A1037BBAE for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:51:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robinson@netrinsics.com) Received: from netrinsics.com ([202.108.133.11]) by public.bta.net.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29931 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:48:00 +0800 (GMT) Received: (from robinson@localhost) by netrinsics.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA41391; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:52:30 +0800 (+0800) (envelope-from robinson) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:52:30 +0800 (+0800) From: Michael Robinson Message-Id: <200007120552.NAA41391@netrinsics.com> To: Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels In-Reply-To: <20000711214716.I24476@speedy.gsinet> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >"Contribute to make this happen (more quickly and closer to >development)! Read the list, compare it to the doc and feedback >your diffs to update the latter. Or pay someone else to do this. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Does paying full price for Walnut Creek CD-ROMs three times a year count? -Michael Robinson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 23: 1:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.osd.bsdi.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE09137BCA7 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:01:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22389; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:01:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com) To: Michael Robinson Cc: Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:52:30 +0800." <200007120552.NAA41391@netrinsics.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:01:48 -0700 Message-ID: <22386.963381708@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >"Contribute to make this happen (more quickly and closer to > >development)! Read the list, compare it to the doc and feedback > >your diffs to update the latter. Or pay someone else to do this. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Does paying full price for Walnut Creek CD-ROMs three times a year count? I'll take this as a serious question: It does count, but only towards around 1/1200th of a developer assuming that I can also get that developer relatively cheaply and that it doesn't cost me anything at all to move him. Once you add up his full benefit package (medical, dental, 401K, insurance, etc) and salary, it still takes another 1199 of you to pay for the rest of him just through buying CDs at full price, three times a year. Then we can start adding up the cost of his machine, his office space, his network access, and lots of other infrastructural things which I'd just as soon not go into right now. To summarize, it counts, but not nearly enough to make it a meaningful answer to the quoted paragraph. Without one hell of a lot of volunteers working very very hard, each and every open source project out there would sink tomorrow if it had to switch to CD revenues as the sole method of making technical, and many other forms of, progress. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 23:25:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from s1.ds.net (s1.ds.net [207.239.204.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9046C37BA01 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:25:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmutter@ds.net) Received: from s1.ds.net (s1.ds.net [207.239.204.1]) by s1.ds.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08773 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 02:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 02:25:06 -0400 (EDT) From: jmutter To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: "Jumpstart" [boot.flp, how does it work?] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This was originally sent to "-questions" though it occured to me that I might get a wider audience of folks using FreeBSD in a production environment here. My apologies for the cross post. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- I'm in a situation, (again), where we'll be implementing several FreeBSD machines in a large production environment. To make this work though I need to be able to get something similar to Sun's "Jumpstart". I noticed that boot.flp has most of the functionality that I'm looking for, but I'm not exactly sure how it works. My questions: (*) Does anyone have the kernel config file for this? (*) How does it load the Memory File System? (*) Where is the MFS kept, how can I edit it's contents? I've looked at the image using the vn driver but wasn't able to get the above information. This will be done using hardware with a serial console and Intel's PXE functinality. I've read the "diskless howto", but it seems geared more towards diskless workstations and goes a bit further than I need it to and I'd like it to. Any and all hints, tips, or positive incantations are welcome. Thanks, Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 11 23:33:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5078037BA01 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:33:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e6C6XXc01892; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:33:33 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: jmutter Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Jumpstart" [boot.flp, how does it work?] Message-ID: <20000711233332.B25571@fw.wintelcom.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from jmutter@ds.net on Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 02:25:06AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * jmutter [000711 23:26] wrote: > > This was originally sent to "-questions" though it occured to me that I > might get a wider audience of folks using FreeBSD in a production > environment here. My apologies for the cross post. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > I'm in a situation, (again), where we'll be implementing several FreeBSD > machines in a large production environment. To make this work though I > need to be able to get something similar to Sun's "Jumpstart". I noticed > that boot.flp has most of the functionality that I'm looking for, but I'm > not exactly sure how it works. > > My questions: > (*) Does anyone have the kernel config file for this? > (*) How does it load the Memory File System? > (*) Where is the MFS kept, how can I edit it's contents? > > I've looked at the image using the vn driver but wasn't able to get the > above information. > > This will be done using hardware with a serial console and Intel's PXE > functinality. I've read the "diskless howto", but it seems geared more > towards diskless workstations and goes a bit further than I need it to and > I'd like it to. > > Any and all hints, tips, or positive incantations are welcome. > Once I sanitize my config I'll post it, Google.com used it to install a rack of BSD servers and I need to make sure that it's clean before posting a 'HOWTO'. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 0: 5:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.lewman.org (lowrider.lewman.org [209.67.240.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A8737BC20 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:05:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sean@rentul.net) Received: by mail.lewman.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A4313D31; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 03:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lewman.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553AE5BC4; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 03:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 03:07:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Lutner X-Sender: sean@lowrider.lewman.org To: Joseph Scott Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bad sound output, AudioPCI ES1371, 4.0-STABLE In-Reply-To: <396B3E6F.BD94C310@owp.csus.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have the exact same card you do. (9) sean@pulse: ~ $ cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jun 29 2000 01:10:19 Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0x1080 irq 5 (1p/1r channels duplex) (10) sean@pulse: ~ $ dmesg | grep pcm pcm0: port 0x1080-0x10bf irq 5 at device 15.0 on pci0 (11) sean@pulse: ~ $ I also have device pcm in my kernel, and I've not have one glitch in my sound performance. I switch from X to console, I switch back, I switch desktops, I run lots of memory intensive programs (mozilla, Star Office 5.2, netscape, etc), and I've seen no performance hits. Any other comparisons you'd like to make, I'd be willing to do, compare configs, specs on machines etc... On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Joseph Scott wrote: > > I have an AudioPCI ES1371 sound card. From dmesg & sndstat : > > --- > > dmesg|grep pcm > pcm0: port 0xb400-0xb43f irq 5 at device 13.0 on > pci0 > --- > > cat /dev/sndstat > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jul 10 2000 17:31:19 > Installed devices: > pcm0: at io 0xb400 irq 5 (1p/1r channels duplex) > --- > > The only thing in my kernel config for this is : > > --- > device pcm > --- > > I've had this machine for awhile, with sound working fine under 3.4. > I believe it was also working under 4.0-RELEASE also. It's now > running 4-STABLE (from 10 Jul 2000) and putting out really crummy > sound ouput. > > You can make out the song that it's playing, but not easily because > it's generating so much static and garbage around it. > > I've seen several posts about bad sound output, but I haven't seen > any solutions yet. If there are some patches that are floating around > looking for someone to test them I'd be happy to. > > -- > Joseph Scott > joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu > Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 0:25:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.dircon.net (mx1.dircon.net [194.112.50.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3D837B736; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:25:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tmb@dircon.net) Received: from diablo.dircon.net (desk108.ch.dircon.net [195.157.3.108]) by mx1.dircon.net (8.9.1.Dirconised/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02748; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:25:02 +0100 (BST) Received: by diablo.dircon.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 027001B20C; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:25:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:25:01 +0100 From: Mark Blackman To: Lee Cremeans Cc: stable@freebsd.org, multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newpcm and RealPlayer woes Message-ID: <20000712082501.A3600@diablo.dircon.net> References: <20000711044014.A8062@lcremeans.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000711044014.A8062@lcremeans.erols.com>; from lcremeans@erols.com on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 04:40:14AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG For RealPlayer 7, I've found that the key to sync problems is to go to the 'view-->preferences-->performance' area and set 'enable support old ESS drivers (linux-only)'. Sync problem solved for me anyway. Cheers, Mark Blackman Senior Sys. Admin Direct Connection On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 04:40:14AM -0400, Lee Cremeans wrote: > I've been using the newpcm drivers for some time, and they seem to work with > most things, but I've noticed some problems, specifically with the > RealPlayer 7 Beta for linux. The sound seems to jump at the beginning of a > stream, leaving it at least 3-4 seconds behind the counter and any video > content. This makes video streams hard to watch, and also cuts off local > streams early. Also, on remote streams, the sound clicks and squeals loudly > about 1-2 seconds into the stream, and the stream stays out of sync with the > RealPlayer counter the whole time. I have a PR open on this, misc/18728. > > All of this seems to have started happening around the time of the May 12 > MFC, it looks like. I don't know enough about how newpcm works to be able to > offer any advice on fixing the code, but I'd be willing to take a look at it > in my spare time, and I can try any patches someone can come up with. I have > my dmesg pasted below; this is from -STABLE CVSupped Sunday night. > > -lee > > ---cut here-- > > Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Tue Jul 11 04:10:20 EDT 2000 > root@lcremeans.erols.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/LEE > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz > Timecounter "TSC" frequency 400910252 Hz > CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D+ Processor (400.91-MHz 586-class CPU) > Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x591 Stepping = 1 > Features=0x8021bf > AMD Features=0x80000800 > real memory = 134217728 (131072K bytes) > avail memory = 127434752 (124448K bytes) > Preloaded elf kernel "LEE" at 0xc02e7000. > VESA: v2.0, 8192k memory, flags:0x1, mode table:0xc0293e82 (1000022) > VESA: Matrox Graphics Inc. > K6-family MTRR support enabled (2 registers) > npx0: on motherboard > npx0: INT 16 interface > pcib0: on motherboard > pci0: on pcib0 > pcib2: at device 1.0 on pci0 > pci1: on pcib2 > pci1: at 0.0 > isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 > isa0: on isab0 > atapci0: port 0xd000-0xd00f at device 7.1 on pci0 > ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 > ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 > pci0: at 7.2 irq 11 > fxp0: port 0xd800-0xd81f mem 0xe8800000-0xe88fffff,0xe8901000-0xe8901fff irq 9 at device 8.0 on pci0 > fxp0: Ethernet address 00:a0:c9:76:92:a7, 10Mbps > sym0: <875> port 0xdc00-0xdcff mem 0xe8900000-0xe8900fff,0xe8904000-0xe89040ff irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci0 > sym0: Symbios NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > sym0: open drain IRQ line driver, using on-chip SRAM > sym0: using LOAD/STORE-based firmware. > sym1: <875> port 0xe000-0xe0ff mem 0xe8903000-0xe8903fff,0xe8902000-0xe89020ff irq 9 at device 9.1 on pci0 > sym1: Symbios NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > sym1: open drain IRQ line driver, using on-chip SRAM > sym1: using LOAD/STORE-based firmware. > pcib1: on motherboard > pci2: on pcib1 > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 > atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 > psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 > psm0: model MouseMan+, device ID 0 > vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 > sc0: on isa0 > sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> > sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 > sio0: type 16550A > sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 > sio1: type 16550A > ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 > ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode > ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/15 bytes threshold > lpt0: on ppbus0 > lpt0: Interrupt-driven port > sb0 at port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa0 > snd0: > sb0: driver is using old-style compatability shims > sbxvi0 at port 0xffffffff drq 5 on isa0 > isa_compat: didn't get ports for sbxvi > snd0: > WARNING: "snd" is usurping "snd"'s cdevsw[] > sbxvi0: driver is using old-style compatability shims > sbmidi0 at port 0x330 on isa0 > snd0: > WARNING: "snd" is usurping "snd"'s cdevsw[] > sbmidi0: driver is using old-style compatability shims > awe0 at port 0x620 on isa0 > awe0: > WARNING: "snd" is usurping "snd"'s cdevsw[] > awe0: driver is using old-style compatability shims > ad0: 8693MB [17662/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33 > acd0: CDROM at ata1-master using WDMA2 > afd0: 120MB [963/8/32] at ata1-slave using PIO2 > Waiting 10 seconds for SCSI devices to settle > (noperiph:sym0:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered. > (noperiph:sym1:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered. > sa0 at sym1 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 > sa0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device > sa0: 3.300MB/s transfers > pass1 at sym1 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 > pass1: Fixed Scanner SCSI-2 device > pass1: 3.300MB/s transfers > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a > cd0 at sym1 bus 0 target 4 lun 0 > cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device > cd0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15) > cd0: cd present [1 x 2048 byte records] > > -- > +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Lee Cremeans -- Manassas, VA, USA (WakkyMouse on WTnet) | > | lcremeans@erols.com | http://wakky.dyndns.org/~lee | > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 0:54: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from public.bta.net.cn (public.bta.net.cn [202.96.0.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E39737BC9E for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:54:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robinson@netrinsics.com) Received: from netrinsics.com ([202.108.133.11]) by public.bta.net.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11763 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:50:33 +0800 (GMT) Received: (from robinson@localhost) by netrinsics.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA41616; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:54:46 +0800 (+0800) (envelope-from robinson) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:54:46 +0800 (+0800) From: Michael Robinson Message-Id: <200007120754.PAA41616@netrinsics.com> To: jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com, robinson@netrinsics.com Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels Cc: Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net, stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <22386.963381708@localhost> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: >Once you add up his full benefit package (medical, dental, 401K, >insurance, etc) and salary, it still takes another 1199 of you to pay >for the rest of him just through buying CDs at full price, three times >a year. [...] >To summarize, it counts, but not nearly enough to make it a meaningful >answer to the quoted paragraph. Without one hell of a lot of >volunteers working very very hard, each and every open source project >out there would sink tomorrow if it had to switch to CD revenues as >the sole method of making technical, and many other forms of, >progress. Which is exactly as I thought, but there are three points I'd like to make, the above notwithstanding: 1. The other 1199 new FreeBSD CD-ROM customers you need to get, are they more likely to be CVSUPping, mailing-list tracking, make-worlding-since-2.0.1 experts, or are they likely to be complete newcomers to the FreeBSD experience? Or, to put it another way, where are you planning to grow your market? 2. Pending market growth, there are limited commercial funds available for discretionary expeditures. Priorities need to be set. Is ensuring that the product documentation documents the product one of these priorities? If not, see point 1. 3. This particular problem does not require a high-skill, high-cost developer. If you hired a moderately intelligent and responsible high-school student to clean up the handbook over summer vacation, once a year, with follow-up on weekends, it would be a significant improvement over the current situation and would set you back all of (3*120+9*16)*$10.00=$5,040/year, plus FICA, etc. Now, you're down to a few hundred CD's to cover the cost. There is a problem. If you don't have an elegant hack handy, an ugly hack is better than no hack at all. -Michael Robinson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 1:49:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AEAD37B819 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:49:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id BAA73640; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:49:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:49:19 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: "Chris D. Faulhaber" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: More optimization issues? Message-ID: <20000712014919.A73493@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from jedgar@fxp.org on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 07:48:33PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 07:48:33PM -0400, Chris D. Faulhaber wrote: > While porting another program, I found the following: > Using the default CXXFLAGS (-O -pipe): > $ g++ -O -pipe ud2cd.cc -o ud2cd I don't believe this... (*sigh*). Remove the "-O" and it compiles fine on both -CURRENT and a 4-STABLE box before the Assember / Linker upgrade. Use ``g++ -Wall'' and ``g++ -O -Wall'' on the first (that works) you are given two warnings about the code. With "-O" you only get one of the warnings (and bad linking). The only difference is in the call to to ``cpp'' in which which "-O" causes "-D__OPTIMIZE__" (use ``g++ -v'' to see this). -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 1:52:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E6137BA68 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:52:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id BAA73663; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:51:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:51:43 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Ted Sikora , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: kernel build fail Message-ID: <20000712015143.B73493@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <396BACFB.3BEE7A28@powerusersbbs.com> <396BB279.B6A1DBA6@cup.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <396BB279.B6A1DBA6@cup.hp.com>; from marcel@cup.hp.com on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 04:49:13PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Ted Sikora wrote: > > I just installed 4.0-RELEASE and cvsup'ed to STABLE. The kernel build > > fails with an Assembler error. I always do a kernel build before a > > makeworld. I hate to break tradition. > > Then you should wait for 4.1-RELEASE to come out and install that (in > this case). You should be able to keep with tradition then. Rather you should wait for 4.1-RELEAES to come out and install that because YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS RUNNING 4-STABLE IF YOU ARE *_NOT_* GOING TO READ THIS MAILING LIST FOR "HEADS UP" AND OTHER ISSUES. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) Disclaimer: Not speaking for FreeBSD, just expressing my own opinion. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 1:56:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.osd.bsdi.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D4E37BA70 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:56:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA42471; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:56:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com) To: Michael Robinson Cc: Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:54:46 +0800." <200007120754.PAA41616@netrinsics.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:56:37 -0700 Message-ID: <42468.963392197@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > 1. The other 1199 new FreeBSD CD-ROM customers you need to get, are they more > likely to be CVSUPping, mailing-list tracking, make-worlding-since-2.0.1 The people who buy the CDs tend to be more "expert" in nature, it's the newcomers who generally FTP install the system. > experience? Or, to put it another way, where are you planning to grow > your market? CD sales is almost something of a loss-leader in the grander scheme of thing and won't, in and of itself, actually generate enough capital to grow the market all that much. Growing the market is a function of marketing and that's generally funded by a combination of VC money and other profit centers like hardware sales, support, custom engineering, etc. BSDi does all the of the latter and has obvious designs on the former. > 2. Pending market growth, there are limited commercial funds available for > discretionary expeditures. Priorities need to be set. Is ensuring that > the product documentation documents the product one of these priorities? Yes, it's been a priority for quite some time. Finding talented individuals who can significantly advance the state of the art in our documentation (e.g. they know how to write and can produce) is somewhat more problematic. Finding such individuals who are also available for employment has been even more problematic. I'm always looking for resumes! > 3. This particular problem does not require a high-skill, high-cost > developer. If you hired a moderately intelligent and responsible > high-school student to clean up the handbook over summer vacation, You significantly underestimate the size and complexity of the challenge if you honestly think this, and I speak as someone who's burned through more than a few high school students already. :( I even have full-time resources deployed on this during those times when we're looking for another vict^H^H^H^Hhigh school student to throw into the jaws, but they have a lot of other work competing for those 60 hours a week. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 1:57: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9FA37BCA7 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:56:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id BAA73676; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:53:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:53:06 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: kernel build fail Message-ID: <20000712015306.C73493@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <396BACFB.3BEE7A28@powerusersbbs.com> <396BB279.B6A1DBA6@cup.hp.com> <396BC2F4.87705A16@home.com> <396BD9DF.4031F1B4@powerusersbbs.com> <396BDC37.6C28CF9F@cup.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <396BDC37.6C28CF9F@cup.hp.com>; from marcel@cup.hp.com on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 07:47:19PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 07:47:19PM -0700, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > make build/installkernel. All's well except now Linux emulation is > > broken. Any linux app produces: > > ELF interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2 not found > > Abort trap > > I believe this is caused by a change in how we brand binaries. rebrand > /compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig and run it. Actually in 4-STABLE one should not need to rebrand their Linux binaries. If anyone finds they need(ed) to, I need to know ASAP!! -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 1:58:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F31937BA70 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:58:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id BAA73733; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:58:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:58:21 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD. ORG" Subject: Re: Problems with make world Message-ID: <20000712015821.E73493@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from mitayai@bricsnet.com on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 04:36:33PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 04:36:33PM -0400, Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote: > the error: > cc -O6 -pipe -march=pentiumpro -I/usr/src/usr.bin/ar -Wall -I/usr/obj/usr/ ^^^^^^ Would you care to explain to me just what the hell you think you are achieving with "-O6"??? For one, no released version of GCC understands anything above "-O3" (anything above 3 gets converted to 3). RTFM. Have you done a single measure to see what the extra optimization is buying you? OR do you just want to be macho and so you can tell everyone your world is built with "-O6"? (As I stand up straight and stick out my chest like a military man) FreeBSD only officially supports building the OS with "-O". There are optimizer bugs above that (and even sometimes with just -O). -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) Disclaimer: Not speaking for FreeBSD, just expressing my own opinion. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 2: 8:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hawk.gnome.co.uk (gnome.gw.cerbernet.net [193.243.224.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B787937BA74 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 02:08:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jacs@gnome.co.uk) Received: from hawk.gnome.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.gnome.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01654 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:08:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jacs@hawk.gnome.co.uk) Message-Id: <200007120908.KAA01654@hawk.gnome.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: loader config and the new buildkernel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:08:29 +0100 From: Chris Stenton Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok I've moved over to the new regime and used make buildkernel KERNEL=GNOME make installkernel KERNEL=GNOME I've created /boot/loader.conf with options kernel="/GNOME" bootfile="GNOME" What exactly does bootfile do other than put text in the square brackets in the boot up text ie Booting[GNOME] in ... if I leave bootfile option out I get Booting[kernel] in ... but it boots the right kernel. Should I be editing any other options? Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 2:38:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D817237BCF7 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 02:38:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id CAA73943; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 02:37:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 02:37:54 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: Chris Fedde , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: restarting buildworld Message-ID: <20000712023754.F73493@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200007110638.e6B6ck600513@fedde.littleton.co.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from jcwells@nwlink.com on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 12:31:47AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 12:31:47AM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: > > Is there a way to start buildworld without having it remove and rebuild= the > > /usr/obj directory? >=20 > There are bunches of command line options in /usr/src/Makefile*. I believe > the one you want is 'make -DNOCLEAN' but read the makefile to be sure. ^^^=1E 'make -DNOCLEAN buildworld' (or 'make -DNOCLEAN world') --=20 -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 3:20:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F9537B94E for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 03:20:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id DAA74130; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 03:20:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 03:20:11 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Joakim Ryden Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: random.h - again... Message-ID: <20000712032011.G73493@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from jo@forumone.com on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 04:00:14PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 04:00:14PM -0400, Joakim Ryden wrote: > Hi all, > I cvsupped - built and installed world and went to make a new kernel. The > kernel build fails with: > ===> syscons/fire > make: don't know how to make machine/random.h. Stop > *** Error code 2 I cannot reproduce this. Can anyone? (ONLY "YES" answers need reply) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 3:35: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lcremeans.erols.com (lcremeans.erols.com [216.164.87.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8417B37B6FA; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 03:35:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lee@lcremeans.erols.com) Received: (from lee@localhost) by lcremeans.erols.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13377; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:35:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lee) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:35:29 -0400 From: Lee Cremeans To: Mark Blackman Cc: Lee Cremeans , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: newpcm and RealPlayer woes Message-ID: <20000712063529.A13353@lcremeans.erols.com> References: <20000711044014.A8062@lcremeans.erols.com> <20000712082501.A3600@diablo.dircon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000712082501.A3600@diablo.dircon.net>; from mark.blackman@dircon.net on Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 08:25:01AM +0100 X-OS: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE Organization: My room? Are you crazy? :) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 08:25:01AM +0100, Mark Blackman wrote: > > For RealPlayer 7, I've found that the key to sync problems is > to go to the 'view-->preferences-->performance' area and set > 'enable support old ESS drivers (linux-only)'. Sync problem > solved for me anyway. Yay, that fixed it! Thanks so much for the help, everyone! -lee -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lee Cremeans -- Manassas, VA, USA (WakkyMouse on WTnet) | | lcremeans@erols.com | http://wakky.dyndns.org/~lee | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 4:28:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sohara.dyndns.org (pooh.elsevier.nl [145.36.13.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B3937B8E4 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:28:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@sohara.dyndns.org) Received: (from steve@localhost) by sohara.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18129; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:05:30 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from steve) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <396B3E6F.BD94C310@owp.csus.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:05:29 +0100 (IST) From: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" To: Joseph Scott Subject: RE: Bad sound output, AudioPCI ES1371, 4.0-STABLE Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 11-Jul-00 Joseph Scott wrote: > running 4-STABLE (from 10 Jul 2000) and putting out really crummy > sound ouput. FWIW, my June 30th 4-STABLE is driving one of these (an SB128 to be exact) very nicely indeed. I might try updating that box to see if the sound breaks, but I'm a little worried about trying to go backwards across the binutils divide :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 4:35:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F42B37B945; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:35:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p05-dn03kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [210.232.224.134]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id UAA02953; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:34:57 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <396C57FD.F73C1942@newsguy.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:35:25 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: Vivek Khera , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels References: <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> <20000711103710.B21954@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396ADB61.5736BF19@newsguy.com> <20000711182903.K23115@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > > >> 1. Before building, it removes the existing kernel build tree. > >> There's no good reason for this. > > > > make buildkernel -DNOCLEAN > > No, that makes clean the default, and that's wrong. The defaults being wrong is a very different problem. > > See also: > > > > # -DNO_KERNELCONFIG do not run config in ${MAKE} buildkernel > > # -DNO_KERNELDEPEND do not run ${MAKE} depend in ${MAKE} buildkernel > > That's broken too. The whole idea of make is that you don't need to > do a make clean under normal circumstances. But we're used to that > when building a world. See above. :-) > Yes. We could agree to change the tree to /usr/obj, but it should be > consistent whichever way you do it. In the process we should also use > obj symlinks like other BSDs use: > > === grog@wantadilla (/dev/ttyp5) ~ 1 -> cd /src/OpenBSD/src/sbin/fsck > === grog@wantadilla (/dev/ttyp5) /src/OpenBSD/src/sbin/fsck 2 -> l > total 1 > drwxr-xr-x 2 grog lemis 512 Apr 17 1999 CVS > -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 171 Sep 22 1997 Makefile > -r--r--r-- 1 grog lemis 421 Apr 18 1999 TRANS.TBL > -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 3616 Mar 25 1999 fsck.8 > -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 10548 Feb 28 1997 fsck.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 6034 Sep 9 1997 fsutil.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 2714 Oct 20 1996 fsutil.h > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 May 28 20:20 obj -> /usr/obj/sbin/fsck > -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 1857 Oct 20 1996 pathnames.h > -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 8734 Mar 25 1999 preen.c Oh, I *like* that! But it prevents one from using RO /usr/src. > >> These two points mean that if you later > >> want to go back and tune your kernel (change a driver parameter, > >> say), you can't just do a config; cd ../../compile/FOO; make, you > >> have to go the whole nine yards. > > > > See #1. > > OK. See point 1. The defaults being wrong don't prevent you from being *capable* of just tuning your kernel. In fact, I'm used to do that using buildkernel. > > Personally, I prefer different names, even though it annoyed the hell > > out of me at first. Until I changed my /boot/loader.conf :). > > Peter recently removed the possibility of different kernel names from > config(8). I assume this is now done by a rename. At least we should > agree whether the idea of differently named kernels is good or bad. Well, at least that way I can name my kernel configuration file "vmunix", and then the kernel will be built and installed with the proper name. :-) > >> 4. It's just plain clumsy. > > > > MMmmm? In what way? A single command line does all the work for me, > > including variations on running config, with and without -r, and making > > depend or not. > > Right, but you need to specify the name of the kernel. That's > clumsy in my book. You don't. You set it on /etc/make.conf. I do, anyway. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@the.great.underground.bsdconpiracy.org _DES: The Book of Bruce has only one sentence in it, and it says "the actual directives of my cult are left as an exercise for the reader. Good luck." jkh: does it really include the 'good luck' part? EE: OK, I made that part up. EE: I figured it should sound a bit more cheery than how Bruce initially dictated it to me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 5:17: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B2637BDB8; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:16:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p03-dn03kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [210.232.224.132]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id VAA16610; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:16:09 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <396C61A6.15885473@newsguy.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:16:38 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Stenton Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, John Baldwin , Mike Smith Subject: Re: loader config and the new buildkernel References: <200007120908.KAA01654@hawk.gnome.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris Stenton wrote: > > Ok I've moved over to the new regime and used > > make buildkernel KERNEL=GNOME > make installkernel KERNEL=GNOME > > I've created > > /boot/loader.conf > > with options > > kernel="/GNOME" > bootfile="GNOME" > > What exactly does bootfile do other than put text in the square brackets > in the boot up text ie > Booting[GNOME] in ... > > if I leave bootfile option out I get > Booting[kernel] in ... > > but it boots the right kernel. Should I be editing any other options? Mmmmm... I was sure this had been fixed on -current, and it ought to have been merged to stable... Lemme check... Ok, I know wazzup. The variable bootfile is a list of names of possible kernels to boot. The present code is wrong in that it uses the first name of that list in all cases, and it's even more wrong in that it doesn't even check to see if a kernel is already loaded. See loader(8) on bootfile. OTOH, the variable "kernel" is used exclusively by loader.4th(8), the program which reads loader.conf(5). It indicates the name of the kernel to be loaded. So what happens is that loader.4th(8) loads a kernel indicated by the variable kernel and then calls autoboot, and autoboot completely ignores the fact that a kernel has already been loaded. You see, autoboot was designed to be called before any kernel was loaded, not after. So it's messages refer to the kernel it would _try_ to load at boot, if one wasn't already loaded. Notes to self: * Redesign loader.4th(8) to use bootfile value, and comment out the kernel variable in defaults/loader.conf. * Redesign loader.4th(8) to accept multiple kernel names in the variable "kernel". I'll leave the fixing of autoboot to someone else, though... -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@the.great.underground.bsdconpiracy.org _DES: The Book of Bruce has only one sentence in it, and it says "the actual directives of my cult are left as an exercise for the reader. Good luck." jkh: does it really include the 'good luck' part? EE: OK, I made that part up. EE: I figured it should sound a bit more cheery than how Bruce initially dictated it to me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 5:27: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E265937BDB8; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:26:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3DB9C1C65; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:26:59 -0400 From: Bill Fumerola To: David O'Brien Cc: Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD. ORG" Subject: Re: Problems with make world Message-ID: <20000712082659.V4034@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: <20000712015821.E73493@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000712015821.E73493@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 01:58:21AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 01:58:21AM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > Have you done a single measure to see what the extra optimization is > buying you? OR do you just want to be macho and so you can tell everyone > your world is built with "-O6"? (As I stand up straight and stick out my > chest like a military man) A vivid image for all those that know you, David. :-> -- Bill Fumerola - Network Architect / Computer Horizons Corp - CHIMES e-mail: billf@chimesnet.com / billf@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 5:56:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A530837BA10; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:56:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p40-dn02kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.105]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id VAA00386; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:55:08 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <396C6848.A4907221@newsguy.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:44:56 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: so@server.i-clue.de Cc: Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stable does not boot after make buildworld, ... Was: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels References: <396B76B0.D8BA4E02@i-clue.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Christoph Sold wrote: > > > Summary of Officially Sanctioned Update Procedure: > > > > make buildworld > > make buildkernel > > make installkernel > > shutdown (drop into single-user mode) > > make installworld > > mergemaster > > reboot > > > > Depart from the above procedure at your own risk. Thankyou :-) > > Been there, done that, to the last letter ('kay, I didn't type the > "(drop into single-user..." part). Fresh install from 4.0-Release, > CVSup'ed after the binutils were declared clean. The system panics when > loading linux.ko. > > It seems to me there is something not working as intended. > > Can any helpful soul look at the stable build sequence shown and > determine why it crashes during loading linux.ko? Yes. After the above procedure, your new kernel will be installed under a different name, equal to the name of the kernel configuration file. When booting, the old /kernel will get loaded, and that one is incompatible with your newer modules. There are two ways around this: 1) Edit /boot/loader.conf and add the line kernel="XYZZY", where XYZZY is the name of your kernel. 2) See LINT (it's still LINT on -stable, right? :) for an option that let you override the name, so that XYZZY will install kernels named "kernel" again. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@the.great.underground.bsdconpiracy.org _DES: The Book of Bruce has only one sentence in it, and it says "the actual directives of my cult are left as an exercise for the reader. Good luck." jkh: does it really include the 'good luck' part? EE: OK, I made that part up. EE: I figured it should sound a bit more cheery than how Bruce initially dictated it to me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 7:22:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kci.kciLink.com (kci.kciLink.com [204.117.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3069837BF86 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:22:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: from onceler.kcilink.com (onceler.kciLink.com [204.117.82.2]) by kci.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661CDE8D3 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from khera@localhost) by onceler.kcilink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA86708; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:22:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from khera@kci.kcilink.com) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14700.32527.166082.897464@onceler.kcilink.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:22:07 -0400 (EDT) To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can we put softupdates in GENERIC install kernel? In-Reply-To: <200007120125.LAA12321@lightning.itga.com.au> References: <200007120125.LAA12321@lightning.itga.com.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 9) "Canyonlands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "GB" == Gregory Bond writes: GB> Doing installs from CD is really slow, especially the ports GB> collection (which creates thousands of tiny files). I've often GB> thought that softupdates would make the install much faster, but I think it might make sense to mount the file systems async during installs. If it crashes, well, you're just gonna have to re-run the install anyhow. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera@kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-301-545-6996 GPG & MIME spoken here http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 7:26:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scooby.lineone.net (doggy.lineone.net [194.75.152.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A796637BD3B for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:26:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from war-zone@uk2.net) Received: from galaxy (host213-1-58-223.host.btclick.com [213.1.58.223]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA27180 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:26:12 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <001501bfec0d$15879400$df3a01d5@galaxy> From: "Stone" To: References: <20000712133138R.takamune@vrl.mei.co.jp> Subject: Re: Failure of buildworld Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:25:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi I just recieved the same error, cvsup`ed about 14:00 GMT today. ===> usr.sbin/lptcontrol rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c:45: dev/ppbus/lptio.h: No such file or directory mkdep: compile failed *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol. *** Error code 1 uname -a output: FreeBSD host.blah.com 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Wed Jul 12 02:59:29 PDT 2000 chearn@host.blah.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 ----------------------------------------- Chris Hearn, chris-hearn@lineone.net ----------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kazu TAKAMUNE" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 5:31 AM Subject: Failure of buildworld > Hi, David. > > Please MFC `src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c'. > > # cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol > # make depend > rm -f .depend > mkdep -f .depend -a /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c > /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c:45: machine/lpt.h: No such file or directory > mkdep: compile failed > *** Error code 1 > > My FreeBSD-STABLE box doesn't have `/usr/include/machine/lpt.h' > since your last commit to `src/sys/i386/include/lpt.h'. > > Thanks. > --- > Kazu TAKAMUNE > mailto:takamune@avrl.mei.co.jp > Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.(National/Panasonic) > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 7:27:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.helpful.com (falcon.helpful.com [209.90.236.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1646C37BEF7 for ; 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Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:52:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA22564; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:52:51 -0700 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda22562; Wed Jul 12 07:52:44 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) id HAA19363; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpde19361; Wed Jul 12 07:52:03 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.10.2/8.9.1) id e6CEpuA40177; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007121451.e6CEpuA40177@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdn40171; Wed Jul 12 07:51:31 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE X-Sender: cy To: Vivek Khera Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can we put softupdates in GENERIC install kernel? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:22:07 EDT." <14700.32527.166082.897464@onceler.kcilink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:51:31 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <14700.32527.166082.897464@onceler.kcilink.com>, Vivek Khera writes: > >>>>> "GB" == Gregory Bond writes: > > GB> Doing installs from CD is really slow, especially the ports > GB> collection (which creates thousands of tiny files). I've often > GB> thought that softupdates would make the install much faster, but > > I think it might make sense to mount the file systems async during > installs. If it crashes, well, you're just gonna have to re-run the > install anyhow. Filesystems are already mounted async during installs and have been since I first installed FreeBSD 2.0.5. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 7:56: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6867537BDE9 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:56:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mail.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.247]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA56694; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:55:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Message-ID: <396C8666.8CFE6602@owp.csus.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:53:27 -0700 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Lutner Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bad sound output, AudioPCI ES1371, 4.0-STABLE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sean Lutner wrote: > > I have the exact same card you do. > > (9) sean@pulse: ~ $ cat /dev/sndstat > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jun 29 2000 01:10:19 > Installed devices: > pcm0: at io 0x1080 irq 5 (1p/1r channels duplex) > (10) sean@pulse: ~ $ dmesg | grep pcm > pcm0: port 0x1080-0x10bf irq 5 at device 15.0 on pci0 > (11) sean@pulse: ~ $ > > I also have device pcm in my kernel, and I've not have one glitch in my > sound performance. I switch from X to console, I switch back, I switch > desktops, I run lots of memory intensive programs (mozilla, Star Office > 5.2, netscape, etc), and I've seen no performance hits. > > Any other comparisons you'd like to make, I'd be willing to do, compare > configs, specs on machines etc... Hummmmm. I'd be very happy to find that I've managed to do something else (besides simply keeping up with -STABLE) that caused this. I wonder if this could be caused by IRQ conflicts. Do you have anything else that shows up with IRQ 5? I believe on mine USB was also listed as using IRQ 5. I also wonder if there's any settings in the BIOS that might have changed to cause this to freak out. My tests thus far have only been attempts at playing MP3s and WAVs, both of which suffer from the same problem. -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 7:59: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A698737BDE9 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:59:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mail.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.247]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA56714; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:58:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Message-ID: <396C871E.F33818B3@owp.csus.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:56:30 -0700 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bad sound output, AudioPCI ES1371, 4.0-STABLE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > On 11-Jul-00 Joseph Scott wrote: > > running 4-STABLE (from 10 Jul 2000) and putting out really crummy > > sound ouput. > > FWIW, my June 30th 4-STABLE is driving one of these (an SB128 to be > exact) very nicely indeed. I might try updating that box to see if the sound > breaks, but I'm a little worried about trying to go backwards across the > binutils divide :) I'm starting to suspect that somewhere I've managed to do something to cause this, other than just tracking -STABLE. Unfortuntely I'm having a hard time coming up with something that I've done that would affect sound. -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 8:21:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ct.home.com [24.2.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5CF637BFBF; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:21:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsikora@powerusersbbs.com) Received: from powerusersbbs.com ([24.2.168.186]) by mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000712152115.BLW26573.mail.rdc1.ct.home.com@powerusersbbs.com>; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:21:15 -0700 Message-ID: <396C8CEC.C23A0E13@powerusersbbs.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:21:16 -0400 From: Ted Sikora Organization: Jtl Development Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: kernel build fail References: <396BACFB.3BEE7A28@powerusersbbs.com> <396BB279.B6A1DBA6@cup.hp.com> <396BC2F4.87705A16@home.com> <396BD9DF.4031F1B4@powerusersbbs.com> <396BDC37.6C28CF9F@cup.hp.com> <20000712015306.C73493@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David O'Brien wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 07:47:19PM -0700, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > make build/installkernel. All's well except now Linux emulation is > > > broken. Any linux app produces: > > > ELF interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2 not found > > > Abort trap > > > > I believe this is caused by a change in how we brand binaries. rebrand > > /compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig and run it. > > Actually in 4-STABLE one should not need to rebrand their Linux binaries. > If anyone finds they need(ed) to, I need to know ASAP!! > > -- > -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) > Actually it had to be done. It was branded as SYSV. This was a fresh install of 4.0-RELEASE that was cvsuped to -STABLE last night. Funny thing my home machine is the same thing but I cvsup daily. I think it was 4-prerelease originally that I just follow -STABLE. Linux emulation is fine. I did a makeworld this morning and it still works. -- Ted Sikora Jtl Development Group tsikora@powerusersbbs.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 8:29:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ct.home.com [24.2.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA0B37BDA2 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:29:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsikora@powerusersbbs.com) Received: from powerusersbbs.com ([24.2.168.186]) by mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000712152934.APQ28652.mail.rdc1.ct.home.com@powerusersbbs.com> for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:29:34 -0700 Message-ID: <396C8EDF.9FCA500D@powerusersbbs.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:29:35 -0400 From: Ted Sikora Organization: Jtl Development Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: kernel build fail References: <396BACFB.3BEE7A28@powerusersbbs.com> <396BB279.B6A1DBA6@cup.hp.com> <20000712015143.B73493@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David O'Brien wrote: > > > Ted Sikora wrote: > > > I just installed 4.0-RELEASE and cvsup'ed to STABLE. The kernel build > > > fails with an Assembler error. I always do a kernel build before a > > > makeworld. I hate to break tradition. > > > > Then you should wait for 4.1-RELEASE to come out and install that (in > > this case). You should be able to keep with tradition then. > > Rather you should wait for 4.1-RELEAES to come out and install that > because YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS RUNNING 4-STABLE IF YOU ARE *_NOT_* GOING TO > READ THIS MAILING LIST FOR "HEADS UP" AND OTHER ISSUES. > What the hell are you talking about I read all the updates. I'm sorry if I missed one. FreeBSD does not consume my entire life. I asked for help. Is it so hard to oblige. -- Ted Sikora Jtl Development Group tsikora@powerusersbbs.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 8:34:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kci.kciLink.com (kci.kciLink.com [204.117.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DE837BEEA for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:34:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: from onceler.kcilink.com (onceler.kciLink.com [204.117.82.2]) by kci.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08C95E8D3 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from khera@localhost) by onceler.kcilink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA87372; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:34:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from khera@kci.kcilink.com) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14700.36865.915608.941416@onceler.kcilink.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:34:25 -0400 (EDT) To: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: kernel build fail In-Reply-To: <396C8EDF.9FCA500D@powerusersbbs.com> References: <396BACFB.3BEE7A28@powerusersbbs.com> <396BB279.B6A1DBA6@cup.hp.com> <20000712015143.B73493@dragon.nuxi.com> <396C8EDF.9FCA500D@powerusersbbs.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 9) "Canyonlands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "TS" == Ted Sikora writes: TS> What the hell are you talking about I read all the updates. TS> I'm sorry if I missed one. FreeBSD does not consume my entire life. I TS> asked for help. Is it so hard to oblige. Huh? The's been a MAJOR discussion about this (kernel compilation after upgrade) the last three days. How on earth could you have missed it? -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera@kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-301-545-6996 GPG & MIME spoken here http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 8:53:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from troi.csw.net (troi.csw.net [209.136.192.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B3937BF11 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:53:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lambert@cswnet.com) Received: from ssaos2 (ssaos2.csw.net [209.136.201.13]) by troi.csw.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA07424 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:53:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from lambert@cswnet.com) Message-Id: <200007121553.KAA07424@troi.csw.net> From: lambert@cswnet.com Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:52:02 -0400 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Multiple NFS installworld? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.10a c10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is it okay to run multiple installworlds off the same NFS server? I have 11 servers to upgrade and would like to save some time. -- Scott Lambert lambert@cswnet.com Systems and Security Administrator CSW Net, Inc. ================================================================ Written: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 - 10:52 AM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 9: 3:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83DC737BF74 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from foo.osd.bsdi.com (root@foo.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.137]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA38776; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:03:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by foo.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA38532; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:02:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Organization: BSD, Inc. From: John Baldwin To: Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe Subject: RE: Problems with make world Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD. ORG" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 11-Jul-00 Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote: > I just grabbed the latest 3.0-stable sources and am trying to do a 'make > world' on a 3.2 machine and am getting the same error every time, even when > i completely erased the /usr/src and tried again... > > the machine: > su-2.03# uname -a > FreeBSD mail.be.bricsnet.com 3.2-STABLE FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE #0: Wed Sep 29 > 14:25:59 CEST 1999 root@mail.bricsnet.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/MAIL > i386 > > the error: > cc -O6 -pipe -march=pentiumpro -I/usr/src/usr.bin/ar -Wall -I/usr/obj/usr/ > src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.bin/ar/append.c > cc1: Invalid option `arch=pentiumpro' > > Does anyone have any suggestions? Use '-O -pipe'. gcc is known to occasionally generate buggy code with -O2 or higher. The -march option should still be valid, although I'm not sure it will actually gain you anything in performance. > -Mit -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 9:10:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CBEA37BE9C for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:10:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6CGA3l37205; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:10:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Hristo Grigorov Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SYN+FIN counter In-Reply-To: <396AB7F5.2AC21971@BGINFO.NET> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Hristo Grigorov wrote: > Sorry, my questions seems unclear... Oops, that was a misread on my part. > I know FreeBSD has an option to drop SYN+FIN packets but it does not has > a counter of how much SYN+FIN packets were actually dropped. We may add > a sysctl variable to count them or use some other way, I don't know. Send patches :) Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 9:15:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E677F37C15E for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:15:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6CGFej52822; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:15:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: jmutter Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Jumpstart" [boot.flp, how does it work?] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, jmutter wrote: > I'm in a situation, (again), where we'll be implementing several FreeBSD > machines in a large production environment. To make this work though I > need to be able to get something similar to Sun's "Jumpstart". I noticed > that boot.flp has most of the functionality that I'm looking for, but I'm > not exactly sure how it works. > > My questions: > (*) Does anyone have the kernel config file for this? > (*) How does it load the Memory File System? > (*) Where is the MFS kept, how can I edit it's contents? Check out PicoBSD in src/release/picobsd, in particular the install floppy. I used to use this at eGroups before migrating to pxeboot. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 9:16:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ct.home.com [24.2.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F6937C204 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:16:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsikora@powerusersbbs.com) Received: from powerusersbbs.com ([24.2.168.186]) by mail.rdc1.ct.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000712161641.BUY5399.mail.rdc1.ct.home.com@powerusersbbs.com>; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:16:41 -0700 Message-ID: <396C99EA.9695066F@powerusersbbs.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:16:42 -0400 From: Ted Sikora Organization: Jtl Development Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vivek Khera , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: kernel build fail References: <396BACFB.3BEE7A28@powerusersbbs.com> <396BB279.B6A1DBA6@cup.hp.com> <20000712015143.B73493@dragon.nuxi.com> <396C8EDF.9FCA500D@powerusersbbs.com> <14700.36865.915608.941416@onceler.kcilink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Vivek Khera wrote: > > >>>>> "TS" == Ted Sikora writes: > > TS> What the hell are you talking about I read all the updates. > TS> I'm sorry if I missed one. FreeBSD does not consume my entire life. I > TS> asked for help. Is it so hard to oblige. > > Huh? The's been a MAJOR discussion about this (kernel compilation > after upgrade) the last three days. How on earth could you have > missed it? > I'm talking about Linux Emulation. I have no problem with the kernel build. -- Ted Sikora Jtl Development Group tsikora@powerusersbbs.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 9:25:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from privatecube.privatelabs.com (privatecube.privatelabs.com [198.143.31.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B520A37C233 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:25:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@privatelabs.com) Received: from misha.privatelabs.com (misha.privatelabs.com [198.143.31.6]) by privatecube.privatelabs.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA18142; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:24:55 -0400 Received: from privatelabs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by misha.privatelabs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05825; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:21:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi@privatelabs.com) From: mi@privatelabs.com Message-Id: <200007121621.MAA05825@misha.privatelabs.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Multiple NFS installworld? To: lambert@cswnet.com Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200007121553.KAA07424@troi.csw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 12 Jul, lambert@cswnet.com wrote: = Is it okay to run multiple installworlds off the same NFS server? = = I have 11 servers to upgrade and would like to save some time. Yes, in fact, you can now successfully mounting /usr/src and /usr/obj read-only. There is a caveat, though. If you happen to have /usr/src as a symlink somewhere else (say, /var/tmp/src), the machines you are running the install on need to have /usr/obj/var/tmp/src/* available (use symlinks there too), otherwise you'll see the strange errors like missing osreldate.h. -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 10:37:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5870637BE5D for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:37:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA10409; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:36:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:36:49 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Stone Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Failure of buildworld Message-ID: <20000712103649.B10372@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <20000712133138R.takamune@vrl.mei.co.jp> <001501bfec0d$15879400$df3a01d5@galaxy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <001501bfec0d$15879400$df3a01d5@galaxy>; from war-zone@uk2.net on Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 03:25:51PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 03:25:51PM +0100, Stone wrote: > I just recieved the same error, cvsup`ed about 14:00 GMT today. Do you have /usr/src/sys/dev/ppbus/lptio.h $FreeBSD: src/sys/dev/ppbus/lptio.h,v 1.8.2.1 2000/07/07 00:30:40 obrien Exp$ > ===> usr.sbin/lptcontrol > rm -f .depend > mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include > /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c > /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c:45: dev/ppbus/lptio.h: No such > file or directory > mkdep: compile failed > *** Error code 1 If you do have the revision of lptio.h above, is this error from cd /usr/src make buildworld (or world) or a restated build using "-DNOCLEAN" or just going into /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol and trying to build? `make world' should populate /usr/include/dev/ppbus/lptio.h. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 10:40:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from troi.csw.net (troi.csw.net [209.136.192.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC6337C10A for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:40:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lambert@cswnet.com) Received: from ssaos2 (ssaos2.csw.net [209.136.201.13]) by troi.csw.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA47517 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:40:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from lambert@cswnet.com) Message-Id: <200007121740.MAA47517@troi.csw.net> From: lambert@cswnet.com Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:35:51 -0400 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200007121621.MAA05825@misha.privatelabs.com> Subject: Re: Multiple NFS installworld? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.10a c10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Apparently my wording was in-exact. What I meant to ask was: "Is it okay to run multiple *simultaneous* installworlds off the same NFS server?" The comment that /usr/src and /usr/obj can be mounted RO seems to indicate that this should work. When did this ability happen? I couldn't make it work without -maproot=0 a month ago. Or is that a different problem? Thanks, In <200007121621.MAA05825@misha.privatelabs.com>, on 07/12/2000 at 12:21 PM, mi@privatelabs.com said: >On 12 Jul, lambert@cswnet.com wrote: > Is it okay to run multiple installworlds off the same NFS server? > I have 11 servers to upgrade and would like to save some time. >Yes, in fact, you can now successfully mounting /usr/src and /usr/obj >read-only. There is a caveat, though. If you happen to have /usr/src as a >symlink somewhere else (say, /var/tmp/src), the machines you are running >the install on need to have /usr/obj/var/tmp/src/* available (use >symlinks there too), otherwise you'll see the strange errors like missing >osreldate.h. -- Scott Lambert lambert@cswnet.com Systems and Security Administrator CSW Net, Inc. ================================================================ Written: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 - 12:35 PM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 10:49:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E9C37BE5D; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:49:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E18758; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (gauss.cup.hp.com [15.28.97.152]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id KAA20381; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396CAF81.A600BA9D@cup.hp.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:48:49 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: Kris Kennaway , Brad Knowles , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels References: <20000712124955.K30262@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > > I'd *far* prefer to get both methods into line with each other so that > it doesn't make any difference whether you do a 'make buildkernel' in > /usr/src or a 'make all' in /usr/src/sys/compile/FOO. In general I agree, but I think `make buildkernel' should continue to use /usr/obj as to not prevent concurrent crossbuilds. Having `make all' work from .../compile is preferred. I think this difference is acceptable or even unavoidable. Another difference is that make buildkernel should resolve dependencies if possible. They should behave the same in all other aspects, though. -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 10:58:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B7A37BF1B for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:58:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1D039A; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (gauss.cup.hp.com [15.28.97.152]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id KAA20786; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396CB1C9.D0EE85D4@cup.hp.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:58:33 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: Peter van Heusden , Brad Knowles , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yourkernels References: <396B63DD.7A6F4023@cup.hp.com> <20000712125222.L30262@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > > >> so, the kernels built are defined by KERNEL - there is no > >> default. > > > > The default is GENERIC. > > It should be easy enough to extract a more likely default from uname > -v. Yes. The reason for GENERIC is simply because that's a kernel config that works with the sources. It also works better when cross-building and uname doesn't (in general) present us with a usable name for the architecture we're building for (except of course when it's GENERIC). A user-supplied kernel config may not work (due to changes in the source tree; or simply because we have changed our config tool). For upgrading purposes, it's therefore safer to use GENERIC. A knowledgable user can override this default (/etc/make.conf) and should know that any build and/or boot problems are therefore his/her own responsibility. -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 10:59:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from madonna.khg-heim.uni-linz.ac.at (m2.khg-heim.uni-linz.ac.at [193.171.38.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6FA37C3D7 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:59:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from christoph.drexler@m2.khg-heim.uni-linz.ac.at) Received: from khgjesus ([193.171.38.234]) by madonna.khg-heim.uni-linz.ac.at (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id UAA05561 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:01:26 +0200 From: "Christoph Drexler" To: Subject: VIA VT82C686A AC97 CODEC sound together with FreeBSD? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:00:57 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear FreeBSD-Users! I don't have any experience with FreeBSD yet, but I am thinking about changing my OS to FreeBSD (now using SuSE Linux 6.3). Unfortunately I have got an ASUS K7M Motherboard with a VIA VT82C686A Controller including a Direct Sound AC97 Digital Audio Controller, which is not listed within the soundcards supported by FreeBSD. This makes me ask: 1. Does anybody of you know whether there is any other possibility to make this soundcard work with FreeBSD? 2. Does anybody know (or even have experience with it) whether it is possible to use the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA - supporting my card- that's how I got it working with my Linux System) with FreeBSD? 3. Do you know if the FreeBSD-Developpers are planning to support this soundcard in one of the future releases? I would appreciate any ansers that can give me more information! Thanx, Christoph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 11:24:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from horizon.barak-online.net (horizon.barak.net.il [206.49.94.218]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52E037BF93 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:24:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bk532@iname.com) Received: from localhost.local.net (pop09-1-ras2-p113.barak.net.il [212.150.108.113]) by horizon.barak-online.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA01748; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:23:27 +0300 (IDT) Received: from iname.com (localhost.local.net [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.local.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02061; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:28:18 +0300 (IDT) (envelope-from bk532@iname.com) Message-ID: <396CAAA9.F008BD0@iname.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:28:09 +0300 From: Boris Karnaukh Organization: Private person X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en, ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David J. Kanter" Cc: FreeBSD stable Subject: Re: "config>" errors after upgrading References: <20000710223616.A47265@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "David J. Kanter" wrote: > > After going from 3.5 to 4.0-STABLE, I get these error messages during boot up: > > config> pnp 1 0 bios irq0 3 irq1 0 drq0 4 drq1 4 port0 760 > Invalid command or syntax. Type ?' for help. > config> q > > What do these errors mean, how can I fix them, and do I even need to fix > them? Things seem OK, but you never know. pnp setup in userconfig_script gone away in 4.x but if everything is OK with your drivers you don't have to worry IMO. -- Boris Karnaukh (mailto:bk532@iname.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 11:26:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from unix.pciway.com (d83b4646.dsl.flashcom.net [216.59.70.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D19B37C12F for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:26:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from loren@pciway.com) Received: from localhost (loren@localhost) by unix.pciway.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA37059 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:23:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from loren@pciway.com) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:23:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Loren Koss To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Problem with multiple ips and ipnat.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was having a problem with 3.3-Stable so I upgraded to 4 and now seem to be having the same issue. It looks like after a few days any aliased ip addresses just stop working. It was working fine on 3.3 for a year or so and then just stopped. The 4 box is actually a brand new machine with new nics and everything.. Can someone shed some light as to what might be wrong?? Here is my output from ifconfig -> rl0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 216.59.70.70 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 216.59.70.255 inet6 fe80::248:54ff:fe6b:101%rl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet 216.59.70.71 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 216.59.70.71 ether 00:48:54:6b:01:01 media: autoselect (none) status: active supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP 100baseTX rl1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 inet6 fe80::248:54ff:fe80:4300%rl1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 ether 00:48:54:80:43:00 media: autoselect (100baseTX) status: active supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP 100baseTX so, 216.59.70.70 is totally accesible from the outside, but 216.59.70.71 stopped working.. I have no firewall in place right now and my ipnat config file looks like this: map rl0 192.168.1.0/24 -> 216.59.70.70/32 portmap tcp/udp 10000:65000 map rl0 192.168.1.0/24 -> 216.59.70.70/32 I know the 216.59.70.71 is routing to my box because if I change the primary ip address to that address and make 216.59.70.70 the alias then the reverse works (216.59.70.71 works and 216.59.70.70 cant be reached).. Strange, eh?? Can anyone help?? thanks.. Loren Koss http://www.checkthegrid.com Before you go to the movies...Check The Grid! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 11:34:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A9A837B7E2 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:34:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F0614D; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (gauss.cup.hp.com [15.28.97.152]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id LAA22426; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396CBA37.A72E7BCD@cup.hp.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:34:31 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lambert@cswnet.com Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Multiple NFS installworld? References: <200007121553.KAA07424@troi.csw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG lambert@cswnet.com wrote: > > Is it okay to run multiple installworlds off the same NFS server? > > I have 11 servers to upgrade and would like to save some time. I don't think /usr/obj is being modified during an installworld. I can't say for sure, because I don't know the details of each and every Makefile we have in the source tree. My suggestion is to mount /usr/src and /usr/obj as read-only and see if installworld completes without errors. If so, you should be able to do concurrent installworlds. Let me know how it goes... -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 13: 8:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from troi.csw.net (troi.csw.net [209.136.192.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CAC737BFAF for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:08:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lambert@cswnet.com) Received: from ssaos2 (ssaos2.csw.net [209.136.201.13]) by troi.csw.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA05138; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:04:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from lambert@cswnet.com) Message-Id: <200007122004.PAA05138@troi.csw.net> From: lambert@cswnet.com Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:04:30 -0400 To: Marcel Moolenaar , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <396CBA37.A72E7BCD@cup.hp.com> Subject: Re: Multiple NFS installworld? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.10a c10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <396CBA37.A72E7BCD@cup.hp.com>, on 07/12/2000 at 11:34 AM, Marcel Moolenaar said: >lambert@cswnet.com wrote: >> >> Is it okay to run multiple installworlds off the same NFS server? >> >> I have 11 servers to upgrade and would like to save some time. >I don't think /usr/obj is being modified during an installworld. I can't >say for sure, because I don't know the details of each and every Makefile >we have in the source tree. My suggestion is to mount /usr/src and >/usr/obj as read-only and see if installworld completes without errors. >If so, you should be able to do concurrent installworlds. >Let me know how it goes... -- Scott Lambert lambert@cswnet.com Systems and Security Administrator CSW Net, Inc. ================================================================ Written: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 - 03:04 PM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 13:10:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from troi.csw.net (troi.csw.net [209.136.192.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44AC37C1A0 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:10:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lambert@cswnet.com) Received: from ssaos2 (ssaos2.csw.net [209.136.201.13]) by troi.csw.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA06011; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:06:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from lambert@cswnet.com) Message-Id: <200007122006.PAA06011@troi.csw.net> From: lambert@cswnet.com Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:05:07 -0400 To: Marcel Moolenaar , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <396CBA37.A72E7BCD@cup.hp.com> Subject: Re: Multiple NFS installworld? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.10a c10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry for the empty reply. It was un-intentional. It did work mounted "ro" so I am now doing simultaneous installworld and will only burn half the night instead of three nights. Thank you all. In <396CBA37.A72E7BCD@cup.hp.com>, on 07/12/2000 at 11:34 AM, Marcel Moolenaar said: >lambert@cswnet.com wrote: >> >> Is it okay to run multiple installworlds off the same NFS server? >> >> I have 11 servers to upgrade and would like to save some time. >I don't think /usr/obj is being modified during an installworld. I can't >say for sure, because I don't know the details of each and every Makefile >we have in the source tree. My suggestion is to mount /usr/src and >/usr/obj as read-only and see if installworld completes without errors. >If so, you should be able to do concurrent installworlds. >Let me know how it goes... -- Scott Lambert lambert@cswnet.com Systems and Security Administrator CSW Net, Inc. ================================================================ Written: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 - 03:04 PM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 13:34:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C7237BF7D for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:34:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from larse@ISI.EDU) Received: from isi.edu (hbo.isi.edu [128.9.160.75]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14570; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396CD658.C76EA7D@isi.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:34:32 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Organization: USC Information Sciences Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en, de MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, snap-users@kame.net Subject: Re: which version of KAME in FreeBSD 4.1? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 Ronald.vanderPol@surfnet.nl wrote: > > Which "version" of KAME will be included in FreeBSD 4.1? Is it still > > expected to be released on July 15? > > That's a good question. -current has KAME from 07/01, but -stable still You mean a snapshot from 7/1? Because KAME-SNAPs are only available for 7/10 and 7/3. (I'd like to grab the "correct" SNAP for 4.0 to check if our software will need to be modified for 4.1.) -- Lars Eggert Information Sciences Institute http://www.isi.edu/~larse/ University of Southern California To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 14: 6:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scooby.lineone.net (doggy.lineone.net [194.75.152.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167DF37C264; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:06:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from war-zone@uk2.net) Received: from galaxy (host213-1-17-184.host.btclick.com [213.1.17.184]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA09756; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:06:07 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <003301bfec44$c5b70360$b81101d5@galaxy> From: "Stone" To: Cc: References: <20000712133138R.takamune@vrl.mei.co.jp> <001501bfec0d$15879400$df3a01d5@galaxy> <20000712103649.B10372@dragon.nuxi.com> Subject: Re: Failure of buildworld Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:04:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "David O'Brien" To: "Stone" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 6:36 PM Subject: Re: Failure of buildworld > On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 03:25:51PM +0100, Stone wrote: > > I just recieved the same error, cvsup`ed about 14:00 GMT today. > > Do you have /usr/src/sys/dev/ppbus/lptio.h > $FreeBSD: src/sys/dev/ppbus/lptio.h,v 1.8.2.1 2000/07/07 00:30:40 obrien Exp$ > That version is there.. > > ===> usr.sbin/lptcontrol > > rm -f .depend > > mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include > > /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c > > /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c:45: dev/ppbus/lptio.h: No such > > file or directory > > mkdep: compile failed > > *** Error code 1 > > If you do have the revision of lptio.h above, is this error from > > cd /usr/src > make buildworld (or world) > > or a restated build using "-DNOCLEAN" or just going into > /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol and trying to build? `make world' should > populate /usr/include/dev/ppbus/lptio.h. > I already attempted using the -DNOCLEAN option on make buildworld Once, i got your reply i changed the line in lptcontrol.c #include to read #include Then did a make in the lptcontrol directory and it compiled successfully. Any ideas why it could not find the file originally? If its a problem with my system it could explain the problems i encountered with compiling IPFilter 3.4.7 and OpenSSH 2.2.1p2. Thanks for your help, Chris Hearn - chris-hearn@lineone.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 14:25:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from postal.linkfast.net (postal.linkfast.net [208.160.105.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B6537BEF4 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:25:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@linkfast.net) Received: by postal.linkfast.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id C55CC9B13; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:25:12 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:25:12 -0500 From: Matthew Fuller To: Bill Fumerola Cc: Gregory Bond , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can we put softupdates in GENERIC install kernel? Message-ID: <20000712162512.C3929@linkfast.net> References: <200007120125.LAA12321@lightning.itga.com.au> <20000711213354.R4034@jade.chc-chimes.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000711213354.R4034@jade.chc-chimes.com>; from billf@chimesnet.com on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 09:33:54PM -0400 X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 09:33:54PM -0400, a little birdie told me that Bill Fumerola remarked > On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 11:25:43AM +1000, Gregory Bond wrote: > > Doing installs from CD is really slow, especially the ports collection (which > > creates thousands of tiny files). I've often thought that softupdates would > > make the install much faster, but of course the licencing issues made that > > impossible. > > To answer this FAQ: > > Installs (or at least the ports tree) are done mounted async, so > any performance gain from softupdates is already obtained by mounting async. > > This has been the default for a long time. Except that using softupdates for a ports checkout is faster than using async. IIRC, this is because directory creation on an async filesystem is still done synchronously. So 'async' isn't truely 'async'. Hence, I see a number of things, like extracting the ports tree, and doing buildworlds, to be faster on softupdates partitions than async. Of course, it'd be nice if it were otherwise, but... -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Unix Systems Administrator | fullermd@linkfast.net Specializing in FreeBSD | http://www.over-yonder.net/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 14:47:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sr14.nsw-remote.bigpond.net.au (sr14.nsw-remote.bigpond.net.au [24.192.3.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B65B37B94C for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:47:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from areilly@nsw.bigpond.net.au) Received: from areilly.bpc-users.org (CPE-144-132-171-71.nsw.bigpond.net.au [144.132.171.71]) by sr14.nsw-remote.bigpond.net.au (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA23766 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:47:22 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 33028 invoked by uid 1000); 12 Jul 2000 21:47:21 -0000 From: "Andrew Reilly" Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:47:20 +1000 To: Joseph Scott Cc: Sean Lutner , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bad sound output, AudioPCI ES1371, 4.0-STABLE Message-ID: <20000713074720.A32645@gurney.reilly.home> References: <396C8666.8CFE6602@owp.csus.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <396C8666.8CFE6602@owp.csus.edu>; from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu on Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 07:53:27AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 07:53:27AM -0700, Joseph Scott wrote: > > Sean Lutner wrote: > > > > I have the exact same card you do. > > > > (9) sean@pulse: ~ $ cat /dev/sndstat > > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jun 29 2000 01:10:19 > > Installed devices: > > pcm0: at io 0x1080 irq 5 (1p/1r channels duplex) > > (10) sean@pulse: ~ $ dmesg | grep pcm > > pcm0: port 0x1080-0x10bf irq 5 at device 15.0 on pci0 > > (11) sean@pulse: ~ $ > > > > I also have device pcm in my kernel, and I've not have one glitch in my > > sound performance. I switch from X to console, I switch back, I switch > > desktops, I run lots of memory intensive programs (mozilla, Star Office > > 5.2, netscape, etc), and I've seen no performance hits. > > > > Any other comparisons you'd like to make, I'd be willing to do, compare > > configs, specs on machines etc... > > Hummmmm. I'd be very happy to find that I've managed to do something > else (besides simply keeping up with -STABLE) that caused this. I > wonder if this could be caused by IRQ conflicts. Do you have anything > else that shows up with IRQ 5? I believe on mine USB was also listed > as using IRQ 5. IRQ 5 seems to be an odd one to have attached to a PCI slot. My SB128 (AudioPCI ES1371) seems to be working nicely, but it's on IRQ 10 and io range 0xdc00... (and nothing else is on IRQ 10) FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jul 10 2000 09:29:43 Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0xdc00 irq 10 (1p/1r channels duplex) > I also wonder if there's any settings in the BIOS that might have > changed to cause this to freak out. Most bioses have some sort of tweaks that apply to PCI interrupts. -- Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 15: 1:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nbf-27.umd.edu (nbf-27.umd.edu [128.8.38.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD30937C383; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:01:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bfoz@glue.umd.edu) Received: from glue.umd.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nbf-27.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA50785; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:00:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bfoz@glue.umd.edu) Message-ID: <396CEA91.546AE314@glue.umd.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:00:49 -0400 From: Brandon Fosdick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kazu TAKAMUNE Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Failure of buildworld References: <20000712133138R.takamune@vrl.mei.co.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kazu TAKAMUNE wrote: > > Hi, David. > > Please MFC `src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c'. > > # cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol > # make depend > rm -f .depend > mkdep -f .depend -a /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c > /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c:45: machine/lpt.h: No such file or directory > mkdep: compile failed > *** Error code 1 > > My FreeBSD-STABLE box doesn't have `/usr/include/machine/lpt.h' > since your last commit to `src/sys/i386/include/lpt.h'. > > Thanks. > --- > Kazu TAKAMUNE > mailto:takamune@avrl.mei.co.jp > Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.(National/Panasonic) I'm having the same exact problem. I've tried with and w/o -DNOCLEAN. cvsup'd as of a few minutes ago. -Brandon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 15:36:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from troi.csw.net (troi.csw.net [209.136.192.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA21337C26F for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:36:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lambert@cswnet.com) Received: from ssaos2 (ssaos2.csw.net [209.136.201.13]) by troi.csw.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA72044 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:36:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from lambert@cswnet.com) Message-Id: <200007122236.RAA72044@troi.csw.net> From: lambert@cswnet.com Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:35:46 -0400 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: buildkernel installkernel X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.10a c10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (if you get two copies of this message, I sent it to freebsd.com by accident the first time. I don't know if they are connected) Do I have to build the modules everytime I want to install a kernel? I have been building several kernels on my build machine in preparation for my upgrade-a-thon tonight. Now I wonder if I've been wasting my time. I decided it would be a good idea to have a new GENERIC around. So I built GENERIC (without rebuilding the modules) and tried to install it. The command used for building GENERIC was : make buildkernel -DNO_MODULES KERNEL=GENERIC which completed successfully. Running : make installkernel KERNEL=GENERIC fails with the following messages. if [ -d /modules -a -n "`ls /modules`" ]; then mkdir -p /modules.old; cp -p /modules/* /modules.old; fi; cd /usr/src/sys/modules && env MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC/ modules make install ===> aha install -C -c -o root -g wheel -m 555 aha.ko /modules install: aha.ko: No such file or directory *** Error code 71 Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules/aha. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. I have built and installed 6 kernels one at a time on this tree before I decided to be smart and not re-compile the modules every time I compile a kernel. Is this unsupported? The install options of -c is supposed to copy and not move the files it is installing. Shouldn't the modules still be around? Thanks again -- Scott Lambert lambert@cswnet.com Systems and Security Administrator CSW Net, Inc. ================================================================ Written: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 - 04:38 PM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 15:37:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awww.jeah.net (awww.jeah.net [216.111.239.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD6337C3D4 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:37:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@awww.jeah.net) Received: (from chris@localhost) by awww.jeah.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA58924 for stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:37:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:37:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Byrnes Message-Id: <200007122237.RAA58924@awww.jeah.net> To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: . Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i have a box running -release (4.0) and im going to cvsup it to -stable after i cvsup it, could someone list all the commands i need to run to make sure everything is upgraded correctly? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 15:43:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79EA337BE4A for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:43:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01857; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:43:41 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: lambert@cswnet.com Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: buildkernel installkernel Message-ID: <20000712154341.A1462@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <200007122236.RAA72044@troi.csw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <200007122236.RAA72044@troi.csw.net>; from lambert@cswnet.com on Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 05:35:46PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 05:35:46PM -0400, lambert@cswnet.com wrote: > (if you get two copies of this message, I sent it to freebsd.com by > accident the first time. I don't know if they are connected) > > Do I have to build the modules everytime I want to install a kernel? > > I have been building several kernels on my build machine in preparation > for my upgrade-a-thon tonight. > > Now I wonder if I've been wasting my time. > > I decided it would be a good idea to have a new GENERIC around. So I > built GENERIC (without rebuilding the modules) and tried to install it. > > The command used for building GENERIC was : > > make buildkernel -DNO_MODULES KERNEL=GENERIC > > which completed successfully. > > Running : > > make installkernel KERNEL=GENERIC > > fails with the following messages. You need to specify -DNO_MODULES on the installkernel command too. The modules are build in per kernel directories (yes it's stupid, but the whole thing is a work in progress). -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 15:51:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from troi.csw.net (troi.csw.net [209.136.192.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA4437BF05 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:51:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lambert@cswnet.com) Received: from ssaos2 (ssaos2.csw.net [209.136.201.13]) by troi.csw.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA77982 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:51:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from lambert@cswnet.com) Message-Id: <200007122251.RAA77982@troi.csw.net> From: lambert@cswnet.com Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:51:43 -0400 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20000712154341.A1462@orion.ac.hmc.edu> Subject: Re: buildkernel installkernel X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.10a c10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <20000712154341.A1462@orion.ac.hmc.edu>, on 07/12/2000 at 03:43 PM, Brooks Davis said: >On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 05:35:46PM -0400, lambert@cswnet.com wrote: > (if >you get two copies of this message, I sent it to freebsd.com by > >accident the first time. I don't know if they are connected) > >> Do I have to build the modules everytime I want to install a kernel? >> >> I have been building several kernels on my build machine in preparation >> for my upgrade-a-thon tonight. >> >> Now I wonder if I've been wasting my time. >> >> I decided it would be a good idea to have a new GENERIC around. So I >> built GENERIC (without rebuilding the modules) and tried to install it. >> >> The command used for building GENERIC was : >> >> make buildkernel -DNO_MODULES KERNEL=GENERIC >> >> which completed successfully. >> >> Running : >> >> make installkernel KERNEL=GENERIC >> >> fails with the following messages. >You need to specify -DNO_MODULES on the installkernel command too. The >modules are build in per kernel directories (yes it's stupid, but the >whole thing is a work in progress). But I should still get the modules installed when I do the : cd /usr/src/sys/modules make install Correct? -- Scott Lambert lambert@cswnet.com Systems and Security Administrator CSW Net, Inc. ================================================================ Written: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 - 05:49 PM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 15:57:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55E537BF05 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:57:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA28625; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:56:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:56:59 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Brandon Fosdick Cc: Kazu TAKAMUNE , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Failure of buildworld Message-ID: <20000712155659.C28219@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000712133138R.takamune@vrl.mei.co.jp> <396CEA91.546AE314@glue.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <396CEA91.546AE314@glue.umd.edu>; from bfoz@glue.umd.edu on Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 06:00:49PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 06:00:49PM -0400, Brandon Fosdick wrote: > > # cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol > > # make depend > > rm -f .depend > > mkdep -f .depend -a /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c > > /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c:45: machine/lpt.h: No such file or directory > > mkdep: compile failed > > *** Error code 1 I think I've fixed this now. Please make sure you have src/include/Makefile revision 1.109.2.2. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 15:57:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from frolkin.demon.co.uk (frolkin.demon.co.uk [194.222.100.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A0937B94C for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:57:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sasha@frolkin.demon.co.uk) Received: from sasha by frolkin.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13CVUY-0002Rq-00; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:00:34 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:00:33 +0100 From: Alexander Frolkin To: Chris Byrnes Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: . Message-ID: <20000713000033.A9334@gamma> Reply-To: Alexander Frolkin References: <200007122237.RAA58924@awww.jeah.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200007122237.RAA58924@awww.jeah.net>; from chris@awww.jeah.net on Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 05:37:00PM -0500 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.16 X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: 6C84 3EB2 550E E581 62FA BB0C D510 B042 FD5C E7A7 X-Editor: Vi Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 05:37:00PM -0500, Chris Byrnes wrote: > i have a box running -release (4.0) and im going to cvsup it to -stable > > after i cvsup it, could someone list all the commands i need to run to make > sure everything is upgraded correctly? You should find everything you need in src/UPDATING. Alexander > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 16:24:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from coconut.itojun.org (coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1344837B87D for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:24:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from kiwi.itojun.org (localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id IAA28372; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:24:36 +0900 (JST) To: snap-users@kame.net Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: larse's message of Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:34:32 MST. <396CD658.C76EA7D@isi.edu> X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: (KAME-snap 2906) Re: which version of KAME in FreeBSD 4.1? From: itojun@iijlab.net Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:24:36 +0900 Message-ID: <28370.963444276@coconut.itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 Ronald.vanderPol@surfnet.nl wrote: >> > Which "version" of KAME will be included in FreeBSD 4.1? Is it still >> > expected to be released on July 15? >> That's a good question. -current has KAME from 07/01, but -stable still >You mean a snapshot from 7/1? Because KAME-SNAPs are only available for >7/10 and 7/3. (I'd like to grab the "correct" SNAP for 4.0 to check if our >software will need to be modified for 4.1.) basically, FreeBSD-current now has SNAP release (= main trunc) equivalent to 7/1 (so the closest is 7/3). HOWEVER, we made modifications during the merge. They are listed in kame/COVERAGE document. Here are the key differences: - RFC2292 advanced API instead of 2292bis API - no ALTQ - no mobile-ip6 - no NATPT itojun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 16:51: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C276F37BDA9; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:51:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03977; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:20:49 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:20:49 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: Vivek Khera , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Message-ID: <20000713092049.C3907@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> <20000711103710.B21954@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396ADB61.5736BF19@newsguy.com> <20000711182903.K23115@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396C57FD.F73C1942@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <396C57FD.F73C1942@newsguy.com> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wednesday, 12 July 2000 at 20:35:25 +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: >> Yes. We could agree to change the tree to /usr/obj, but it should be >> consistent whichever way you do it. In the process we should also use >> obj symlinks like other BSDs use: >> >> === grog@wantadilla (/dev/ttyp5) ~ 1 -> cd /src/OpenBSD/src/sbin/fsck >> === grog@wantadilla (/dev/ttyp5) /src/OpenBSD/src/sbin/fsck 2 -> l >> total 1 >> drwxr-xr-x 2 grog lemis 512 Apr 17 1999 CVS >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 171 Sep 22 1997 Makefile >> -r--r--r-- 1 grog lemis 421 Apr 18 1999 TRANS.TBL >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 3616 Mar 25 1999 fsck.8 >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 10548 Feb 28 1997 fsck.c >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 6034 Sep 9 1997 fsutil.c >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 2714 Oct 20 1996 fsutil.h >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 May 28 20:20 obj -> /usr/obj/sbin/fsck >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 1857 Oct 20 1996 pathnames.h >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 8734 Mar 25 1999 preen.c > > Oh, I *like* that! But it prevents one from using RO /usr/src. Not at all. It's an absolute symlink outside /usr/src. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 17: 0:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDDE37B9A4 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:00:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@siteplus.net) Received: from discover.siteplus.net (1Cust94.tnt9.chattanooga.tn.da.uu.net [63.39.120.94]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24344 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:01:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Weeks To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel build fail In-Reply-To: <14700.36865.915608.941416@onceler.kcilink.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Vivek Khera wrote: > Huh? The's been a MAJOR discussion about this (kernel compilation > after upgrade) the last three days. How on earth could you have > missed it? This is quite possibly his point. The noise to signal ration has been quite high for the past week or so. It is difficult to follow every word on the list and get anything else done ;_> -- Jim Weeks -------- A mind is a terrible thing to lose! How I miss mine.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 17:44:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FB237BFDE; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:44:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA34215; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:44:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:44:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Greg Lehey Cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: <20000713092049.C3907@wantadilla.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Wednesday, 12 July 2000 at 20:35:25 +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > Greg Lehey wrote: > >> Yes. We could agree to change the tree to /usr/obj, but it should be > >> consistent whichever way you do it. In the process we should also use > >> obj symlinks like other BSDs use: > >> > >> === grog@wantadilla (/dev/ttyp5) ~ 1 -> cd /src/OpenBSD/src/sbin/fsck > >> === grog@wantadilla (/dev/ttyp5) /src/OpenBSD/src/sbin/fsck 2 -> l > >> total 1 > >> drwxr-xr-x 2 grog lemis 512 Apr 17 1999 CVS > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 171 Sep 22 1997 Makefile > >> -r--r--r-- 1 grog lemis 421 Apr 18 1999 TRANS.TBL > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 3616 Mar 25 1999 fsck.8 > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 10548 Feb 28 1997 fsck.c > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 6034 Sep 9 1997 fsutil.c > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 2714 Oct 20 1996 fsutil.h > >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 May 28 20:20 obj -> /usr/obj/sbin/fsck > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 1857 Oct 20 1996 pathnames.h > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 8734 Mar 25 1999 preen.c > > > > Oh, I *like* that! But it prevents one from using RO /usr/src. > > Not at all. It's an absolute symlink outside /usr/src. make objlink See r1.5 of bsd.obj.mk: - revision 1.5 date: 1996/06/24 04:24:06; author: jkh; state: Exp; lines: +51 -48 Bring in my changes for removing the pestilent obj links (unless you really want them) from /usr/src. This is the final version of the patches, incorporating the feedback I've received from -current. - Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 18:36:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web3101.mail.yahoo.com (web3101.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B6FE137BDDA for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:36:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsstan@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20000713013634.19993.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [150.159.224.8] by web3101.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:36:34 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:36:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Stanaford Subject: Staying STABLE... To: stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, When using CVS to grab the ports tree along with the changes committed under RELENG_4, how can I be sure I am pulling the proper version branch for the ports? As I look on the cvs3/ftp site, I'm seeing ports in ftp://cvsup3.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/ports/ ftp://cvsup3.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/ports-stable/ and the two paths most specific to 4.x-STABLE have only packages living in them.. ftp://cvsup3.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-4-stable/ ftp://cvsup3.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-4.0-stable/ I finished up going to 4.0-STABLE from 4.0-RELEASE last night and the system is great. I had an issue while trying to build KDevelop and I am wondering if somehow I messed up the /usr/ports tree. All I knew to do from the documentation was to put "ports-all tag=." in my sup file. Does CVSup somehow glean where to grab the ports tree from the "RELENG_4" tag or need I do something more to tell CVSup where to pick up what I need for the version I'm running? Thanks, -Richard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 19: 2:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from unix.worldpath.net (unix.worldpath.net [206.152.180.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E429837C02B for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:02:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from iwaldron@lr.net) Received: from waldron.house (pm41-112-146.worldpath.net [209.187.112.146]) by unix.worldpath.net (8.9.3/8.9.3(WPI)) with ESMTP id WAA29869 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from iwaldron@localhost) by waldron.house (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00739 for stable@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:01:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from iwaldron) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:01:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Isaac Waldron Message-Id: <200007130201.WAA00739@waldron.house> To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Minor patch for /usr/src/sys/isa/pnpparse.c Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My Soundblaster AWE64 causes two warnings to be emitted at boot time. The first has to do with the device wanting too many different resources, and the message printed is "too many dependant configs." I fixed this simply by increasing the value of MAXDEP in pnpparse.c from 8 to 16. The other warning I get is due to the PnP code receiving a vendor tag from the device. This was easy to fix as well, I simply added a case statement to the existing switch in pnpparse.c to handle the predefined PNP_TAG_VENDOR. I defined it as a no-op, this way, the original behavior is held consistent. I'm not sure if these are truly correct fixes, but they have not caused any trouble on my machine. Output from `uname -a` and the patch are included below. Isaac Waldron waldroni@lr.net uname -a output: FreeBSD yota.waldron.house 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #1: Wed Jul 12 10:48:28 EDT 2000 iwaldron@yota.waldron.house:/usr/src/sys/compile/YOTA i386 and here's the patch: --- pnpparse.c Wed Jul 12 11:34:56 2000 +++ pnpparse.c.new Wed Jul 12 11:41:05 2000 @@ -36,7 +36,7 @@ #include #include -#define MAXDEP 8 +#define MAXDEP 16 #define I16(p) ((p)[0] + ((p)[1] << 8)) #define I32(p) (I16(p) + (I16(p+2) << 16)) @@ -214,6 +214,13 @@ = resinfo[2]; config->ic_port[config->ic_nport].ir_align = 1; config->ic_nport++; + break; + + case PNP_TAG_VENDOR: + if (bootverbose) { + printf("%s: vendor tag received.\n", + pnp_eisaformat(id)); + } break; case PNP_TAG_END: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 19: 3:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bulls.mei.co.jp (bulls.mei.co.jp [202.224.189.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B2637C0EC; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:03:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from takamune@vrl.mei.co.jp) Received: by bulls.mei.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id LAA04652; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:03:46 +0900 (JST) Received: by mariners.mei.co.jp (8.9.1/3.7W) with ESMTP id LAA10190; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:03:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by dream.vrl.mei.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-11/29/99) id LAA10481; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:03:43 +0900 (JST) To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Failure of buildworld From: Kazu TAKAMUNE In-Reply-To: <20000712155659.C28219@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20000712133138R.takamune@vrl.mei.co.jp> <396CEA91.546AE314@glue.umd.edu> <20000712155659.C28219@dragon.nuxi.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000713110343W.takamune@vrl.mei.co.jp> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:03:43 +0900 X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 26 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: "David O'Brien" Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:56:59 -0700 obrien> I think I've fixed this now. Please make sure you have obrien> src/include/Makefile revision 1.109.2.2. Again, please MFC `src/etc/mtree/BSD.include.dist'. Thanks. # cd /usr/src/include # make install (snip) cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 cam/scsi/*.h /usr/include/cam/scsi cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 dev/ppbus/*.h /usr/include/dev/ppbus usage: install [-CcDpsv] [-f flags] [-g group] [-m mode] [-o owner] file1 file2 install [-CcDpsv] [-f flags] [-g group] [-m mode] [-o owner] file1 ... fileN directory install -d [-v] [-g group] [-m mode] [-o owner] directory ... *** Error code 64 Stop in /usr/src/include. --- Kazu TAKAMUNE mailto:takamune@avrl.mei.co.jp Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.(National/Panasonic) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 19:19:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [130.155.191.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40B537B6A7; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:19:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marka@nominum.com) Received: from nominum.com (localhost.dv.isc.org [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02502; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:19:11 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from marka@nominum.com) Message-Id: <200007130219.MAA02502@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Kazu TAKAMUNE Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mark.Andrews@nominum.com Subject: Re: Failure of buildworld In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:03:43 +0900." <20000713110343W.takamune@vrl.mei.co.jp> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:19:10 +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I couldn't get through buildworld w/ 1.109.2.2 I needed to add dev/ppbus to LSYMSUBDIRS. Mark > From: "David O'Brien" > Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:56:59 -0700 > > obrien> I think I've fixed this now. Please make sure you have > obrien> src/include/Makefile revision 1.109.2.2. > > Again, please MFC `src/etc/mtree/BSD.include.dist'. > > Thanks. > > # cd /usr/src/include > # make install > (snip) > cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 cam/scsi/*.h > /usr/include/cam/scsi > cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 dev/ppbus/*.h > /usr/include/dev/ppbus > usage: install [-CcDpsv] [-f flags] [-g group] [-m mode] [-o owner] file1 fil > e2 > install [-CcDpsv] [-f flags] [-g group] [-m mode] [-o owner] file1 ... > fileN directory > install -d [-v] [-g group] [-m mode] [-o owner] directory ... > *** Error code 64 > > Stop in /usr/src/include. > --- > Kazu TAKAMUNE > mailto:takamune@avrl.mei.co.jp > Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.(National/Panasonic) > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Mark Andrews, Nominum Inc. 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark.Andrews@nominum.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 19:29:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9BD37B67C; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:29:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA49207; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:29:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:29:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Jim Weeks Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel build fail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Jim Weeks wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Vivek Khera wrote: > > > Huh? The's been a MAJOR discussion about this (kernel compilation > > after upgrade) the last three days. How on earth could you have > > missed it? > > This is quite possibly his point. The noise to signal ration has been > quite high for the past week or so. It is difficult to follow every word > on the list and get anything else done ;_> Yeah, well, when there are about 50 messages marked "HEADS UP!" with the FIX IN THE SUBJECT OF THE MESSAGE it becomes difficult to understand how one could fail to notice any of them :-( Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 19:39:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED9337C062 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:39:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA22447; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:39:52 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Richard Stanaford Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Staying STABLE... Message-ID: <20000712193952.A22212@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <20000713013634.19993.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <20000713013634.19993.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com>; from rsstan@yahoo.com on Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 06:36:34PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 06:36:34PM -0700, Richard Stanaford wrote: > When using CVS to grab the ports tree along with the changes committed under > RELENG_4, how can I be sure I am pulling the proper version branch for the > ports? Easy, ports aren't branched so HEAD (aka ".") is the right branch for STABLE and CURRENT. There are occational bumps like ports that need features not in STABLE or ports that don't work in CURRENT, but generally it's all good. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 20:16:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hdroam.ssd.loral.com (245.201.6.64.reflexcom.com [64.6.201.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1422F37C15A for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:16:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hdiwan@hdroam.ssd.loral.com) Received: (from hdiwan@localhost) by hdroam.ssd.loral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01685 for stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:16:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hdiwan) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:16:44 -0700 From: Hasan Diwan To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Terminus Message-ID: <20000712201644.A1574@hdroam.ssd.loral.com> Reply-To: hdiwan@pobox.com References: <396BACFB.3BEE7A28@powerusersbbs.com> <396BB279.B6A1DBA6@cup.hp.com> <396BC2F4.87705A16@home.com> <396BD9DF.4031F1B4@powerusersbbs.com> <396BDC37.6C28CF9F@cup.hp.com> <20000712015306.C73493@dragon.nuxi.com> <396C8CEC.C23A0E13@powerusersbbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <396C8CEC.C23A0E13@powerusersbbs.com>; from tsikora@powerusersbbs.com on Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 11:21:16AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anyone use this game for Linux on FreeBSD? How do I install it? -- Hasan Diwan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 20:21:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from po4.glue.umd.edu (po4.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50A937BF79; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:21:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bfoz@glue.umd.edu) Received: from glue.umd.edu (poseidon.student.umd.edu [129.2.228.43]) by po4.glue.umd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6D3KxP28525; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396D359A.DFE0AF00@glue.umd.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:20:58 -0400 From: Brandon Fosdick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Kazu TAKAMUNE , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Failure of buildworld References: <20000712133138R.takamune@vrl.mei.co.jp> <396CEA91.546AE314@glue.umd.edu> <20000712155659.C28219@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David O'Brien wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 06:00:49PM -0400, Brandon Fosdick wrote: > > > # cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol > > > # make depend > > > rm -f .depend > > > mkdep -f .depend -a /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c > > > /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c:45: machine/lpt.h: No such file or directory > > > mkdep: compile failed > > > *** Error code 1 > > I think I've fixed this now. Please make sure you have > src/include/Makefile revision 1.109.2.2. No good, same failure, same place. -- bfoz@glue.umd.edu "Lead, follow, or get run over" "In life there are those who steer, and those who push" "I'm not impatient, the world is too slow" "Life is short, so have fun, play hard, and leave a good looking corpse" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 20:35:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0962C37B61C; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:35:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p39-dn01kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.40]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id MAA22287; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:34:41 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <396D38ED.CB98FAD2@newsguy.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:35:09 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: Vivek Khera , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels References: <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> <20000711103710.B21954@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396ADB61.5736BF19@newsguy.com> <20000711182903.K23115@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396C57FD.F73C1942@newsguy.com> <20000713092049.C3907@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > > > Oh, I *like* that! But it prevents one from using RO /usr/src. > > Not at all. It's an absolute symlink outside /usr/src. But you have to put the link in there in first place, don't you? -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@the.great.underground.bsdconpiracy.org _DES: The Book of Bruce has only one sentence in it, and it says "the actual directives of my cult are left as an exercise for the reader. Good luck." jkh: does it really include the 'good luck' part? EE: OK, I made that part up. EE: I figured it should sound a bit more cheery than how Bruce initially dictated it to me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 21:39:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.lewman.org (lowrider.lewman.org [209.67.240.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A83537B5F1 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:39:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sean@rentul.net) Received: by mail.lewman.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 739563D34; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lewman.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E5965BBF; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:39:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Lutner X-Sender: sean@lowrider.lewman.org To: Joseph Scott Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bad sound output, AudioPCI ES1371, 4.0-STABLE In-Reply-To: <396C8666.8CFE6602@owp.csus.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I will have to do some digging around. I know I have USB on this machine, but it is not currently in use. Is yours? As far as the BIOS setting go, I'll be cvsup'ing sometime soon, and I'll see what I can see. On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Joseph Scott wrote: > > Sean Lutner wrote: > > > > I have the exact same card you do. > > > > (9) sean@pulse: ~ $ cat /dev/sndstat > > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jun 29 2000 01:10:19 > > Installed devices: > > pcm0: at io 0x1080 irq 5 (1p/1r channels duplex) > > (10) sean@pulse: ~ $ dmesg | grep pcm > > pcm0: port 0x1080-0x10bf irq 5 at device 15.0 on pci0 > > (11) sean@pulse: ~ $ > > > > I also have device pcm in my kernel, and I've not have one glitch in my > > sound performance. I switch from X to console, I switch back, I switch > > desktops, I run lots of memory intensive programs (mozilla, Star Office > > 5.2, netscape, etc), and I've seen no performance hits. > > > > Any other comparisons you'd like to make, I'd be willing to do, compare > > configs, specs on machines etc... > > Hummmmm. I'd be very happy to find that I've managed to do something > else (besides simply keeping up with -STABLE) that caused this. I > wonder if this could be caused by IRQ conflicts. Do you have anything > else that shows up with IRQ 5? I believe on mine USB was also listed > as using IRQ 5. > > I also wonder if there's any settings in the BIOS that might have > changed to cause this to freak out. > > My tests thus far have only been attempts at playing MP3s and WAVs, > both of which suffer from the same problem. > > -- > Joseph Scott > joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu > Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento > ==================================================================== Sean Lutner (insert meaningless mine's bigger than yours title here) sean@rentul.net http://www.rentul.net ==================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 21:53:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6FFA37B6BF; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:53:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA56773; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:53:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA20878; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:52:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007130452.WAA20878@harmony.village.org> To: "Francisco Reyes" Subject: Re: why new buildkernel (was HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' ..." Cc: "Jeff Wyman" , "Vivek Khera" , "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Kris Kennaway" In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:00:59 EDT." <200007110601.CAA36394@vulcan.addy.com> References: <200007110601.CAA36394@vulcan.addy.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:52:54 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200007110601.CAA36394@vulcan.addy.com> "Francisco Reyes" writes: : Why is this new procedure necessary. : I recall reading is because of some new additions, but what were : these additions (I have seen the name, but have no clue what : they are.. binutils?) and why the new, more cumbersome, : procedure? Because it is necessary. There's order dependencies that these targets take care of automatically. The binutils update forced it this time. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 21:58: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820B137B5AB for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:58:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA56805; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:57:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA20941; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:57:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007130457.WAA20941@harmony.village.org> To: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make your kernels Cc: Peter van Heusden , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:39:00 +0200." References: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:57:46 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Brad Knowles writes: : Hmm. Good idea. Until then, this needs to be mentioned in the : documentation. How is UPDATING currently not sufficient for this purpose? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 22: 4: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B21937B5AB for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:03:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA56828; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:03:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA20978; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:03:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007130503.XAA20978@harmony.village.org> To: "Mike O'Dell" Subject: Re: problems building kernels Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:12:03 EDT." <200007111612.MAA61587@servo.ccr.org> References: <200007111612.MAA61587@servo.ccr.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:03:47 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200007111612.MAA61587@servo.ccr.org> "Mike O'Dell" writes: : is anyone else more than a little concerned that the people who : ostensibly understand all the details can't agree as to how to : do what and when?? The people that do understand the details do agree. Those that don't understand are still arguing. It is really that simple. At least in my opinion. The upgrade path has been documented like this in UPDATING for a while now. : and this is supposed to be STABLE??? Sometimes shit happens. : give us a break, guys. you don't go changing how a kernel : gets built in a release called STABLE. We try not to. Sometimes it is necessary. : and if you didn't do that, please explain that we can just : ignore all the mail the last few days and go back to : trying to figure out why cvsup-ing the latest STABLE : release doesn't compile/run-on-SMP/etc,etc,etc Look at UPDATING. We try to keep that up to date. Sometimes it takes a couple of days to realize an entry is needed and sometimes the UPDATING maintainer (me) has a life and can't commit it the instant that something is know. : i'll restate my minority view that the FreeBSD project : *really* needs to rethink their release names and the : whole release process, rather than explaining that : we don't understand the effort's peculiar definitions : of words like "stable" This is a once in a great while situtation. Sometimes it happens. We try to avoid it, but sometimes Doodoo happens. Given the level of heat when we do this once, I think that indicates that we've been fairly successful in doing it. This is now documented in UPDATING, which everyone should read and understand before updating. It was bad that it didn't get committed until yesterday. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 22: 6:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9A237BB16; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:06:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA56849; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:06:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA21015; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:06:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007130506.XAA21015@harmony.village.org> To: "Shawn Barnhart" Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels Cc: "Kris Kennaway" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:33:58 CDT." <00b801bfeb66$94ab2960$9b239fc0@mobocracy> References: <00b801bfeb66$94ab2960$9b239fc0@mobocracy> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:06:40 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <00b801bfeb66$94ab2960$9b239fc0@mobocracy> "Shawn Barnhart" writes: : I guess I don't care which tools I use, so long as they do the right : thing, and, most importantly THAT THE METHODS ARE TOTALLY DOCUMENTED : WITH ALL THE QUIRKS IN THE FSCK'N HANDBOOK AND NOT JUST IN THE MAILING : LIST ARCHIVE! Read UPDATING for late breaking news. We've been recommending this proceedure for building kernels since before 4.0 was released. It is documented. If there isn't a note in the handbook to look at UPDATING, there should be. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 22: 9: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC94737B7EA for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:08:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA56866; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:08:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA21049; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:08:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007130508.XAA21049@harmony.village.org> To: so@server.i-clue.de Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to makeyerkernels Cc: Jeff Wyman , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:45:28 +0200." <396B7958.3B70976D@i-clue.de> References: <396B7958.3B70976D@i-clue.de> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:08:44 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <396B7958.3B70976D@i-clue.de> Christoph Sold writes: : It is neither explained in /usr/src/UPDATING, nor in the above HEADS UP : message. : : A clear explanation, including all steps, would be helpful. The step : missing from the original HEADS UP is you have to move kernel.GENERIC to : kernel BEFORE you reboot. This is not done automatically for you. If you have a suggested update to make UPDATING clearer on this, I'll be happy to integrate it. The UPDATING file generally was for -current users that are expected to have a higher level of understanding. Sometimes stable's UPDATING gets similar text and it takes a little time to get it cleaned up. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 22:11:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5F937BB16; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:11:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA56888; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:11:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA21086; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:11:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007130511.XAA21086@harmony.village.org> To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Cc: "Brandon D. Valentine" , Kris Kennaway , Greg Lehey , Marcel Moolenaar , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:50:27 CDT." <4.3.2.20000711143135.00b1a900@207.227.119.2> References: <4.3.2.20000711143135.00b1a900@207.227.119.2> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:11:20 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <4.3.2.20000711143135.00b1a900@207.227.119.2> "Jeffrey J. Mountin" writes: : Perhaps when changes are made that require a buildkernel a "HEAD's UP" : should be sent. Then one must otherwise uncomment the MODULES_WITH_WORLD : or expect to really be flamed for using the old kernel building : method. Not quite what Kris is saying, but is a bit of a compromise. It is better for me to document one way in UPDATING than to be constantly changing it. We try to not need the proceedure there, but it will always work. It was developed as people cut their teeth in the 3.x -> 4.0 current (of the time) and has proven to be quite successful up until now. I try to mention in entries when it is needed, but there can be a lag between the event and the commit to UPDATING. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 22:14:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B57B37C1BB; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:14:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA56904; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:14:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA21118; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:13:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007130513.XAA21118@harmony.village.org> To: Bryan Bursey Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Cc: Brad Knowles , Kris Kennaway , "Chad R. Larson" , Marcel Moolenaar , grog@lemis.com, khera@kciLink.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:10:48 -0300." References: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:13:52 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Bryan Bursey writes: : We might also want to include the specifics of the 'chflags' commands that : need to be issued for those that prefer not to modify /boot/loader.conf : and have the kernel named 'kernel'. Ummm, it has been in UPDATING since before 4.0 was released: ... make installkernel KERNEL= # Verify that the new kernel works, it will be installed as # /YOUR_KERNEL_HERE chflags noschg /kernel chflags noschg /YOUR_KERNEL_HERE mv /kernel /kernel.old mv /YOUR_KERNEL_HERE /kernel chflags schg /kernel ... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 22:15:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE6037C1A7 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:15:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 13CbL5-000DcO-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:15:11 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09505 for stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:15:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:15:10 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: new buildkernel question HOPEFULLY not stupid Message-ID: <20000713061510.A9461@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i've tried to parse a stack of emails on the buildkernel / installkernel issue, and i have one question: do i need to follow this procedure everytime i rebuild a kernel, or ONLY when i have cvsupped? The reason i ask is i REALLY hate recompiling the entire kernel to test a one-line change in a driver. Can i just use the old compile routine if i haven't cvsupped since the last compile? jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: "Your tyranny I was part of, is now cracking on every side. Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 22:17:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C7D37C1D9; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:17:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA56927; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:17:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA21167; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:17:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007130517.XAA21167@harmony.village.org> To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Cc: Kris Kennaway , Brad Knowles , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:49:56 +0930." <20000712124955.K30262@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20000712124955.K30262@wantadilla.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:17:29 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000712124955.K30262@wantadilla.lemis.com> Greg Lehey writes: : I'd *far* prefer to get both methods into line with each other so that : it doesn't make any difference whether you do a 'make buildkernel' in : /usr/src or a 'make all' in /usr/src/sys/compile/FOO. I'd prefer it too. However, there are times when one MUST use buildkernel. One can generally get away with the old method, but sometimes the tools change and there's no way around it. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 22:21:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3492837C20F for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:21:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA56941; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:21:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA21190; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:21:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007130521.XAA21190@harmony.village.org> To: Chris Stenton Subject: Re: loader config and the new buildkernel Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:08:29 BST." <200007120908.KAA01654@hawk.gnome.co.uk> References: <200007120908.KAA01654@hawk.gnome.co.uk> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:21:20 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200007120908.KAA01654@hawk.gnome.co.uk> Chris Stenton writes: : Ok I've moved over to the new regime and used : but it boots the right kernel. Should I be editing any other options? Should be OK. For a long time now the kernel name was obtained by a sysctl. I've had good luck running kernels with non-standard names, but it can be a PITA sometimes, especially around major release upgrades. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 22:30:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC7437BAD0 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:30:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA56985; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:30:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA21272; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:30:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007130530.XAA21272@harmony.village.org> To: j mckitrick Subject: Re: new buildkernel question HOPEFULLY not stupid Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:15:10 BST." <20000713061510.A9461@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20000713061510.A9461@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:30:14 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000713061510.A9461@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> j mckitrick writes: : i've tried to parse a stack of emails on the buildkernel / installkernel : issue, and i have one question: do i need to follow this procedure everytime : i rebuild a kernel, or ONLY when i have cvsupped? The reason i ask is i : REALLY hate recompiling the entire kernel to test a one-line change in a : driver. : : Can i just use the old compile routine if i haven't cvsupped since the last : compile? I think this is a duplicate message, but here goes... If you are updating the system, defined as getting new sources from any place, you'll need to follow the directions in UPDATING. If you deviate from them, you'll have problems. If you are hacking the kernel and modifying the sources yourself, then the old method works and is the supported way to do that. hack a line, make a kernel, etc just like normal. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 23: 2:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vbs.victoriabank.md (host62.victoriabank.md [212.56.194.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C2537BC98 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:02:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from palexey@victoriabank.md) Received: from lotus.pvt (lotus.pvt [192.168.2.4]) by vbs.victoriabank.md (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA15774 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:04:24 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from palexey@victoriabank.md) Received: by lotus.pvt(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id C225691B.00211482 ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:01:19 +0300 X-Lotus-FromDomain: VICTORIABANK From: "Pavel Alexey" To: stable@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:01:15 +0300 Subject: help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG help To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 23:11:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br (bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br [143.106.51.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36CD37B676 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:11:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from atabraga@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br) Received: by bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B513D19C7; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 03:11:19 -0300 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14701.23943.669365.861877@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 03:11:19 -0300 (EST) From: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga To: "Pavel Alexey" Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: help In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.1 Reply-To: atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br X-URL: http://www.iqm.unicamp.br Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ??? on Thursday, 13 Jul 2000 09:01:15, Pavel Alexey wrote: > > > > > help > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br http://www.iqm.unicamp.br To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 23:35:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85BE237BA09 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:35:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id XAA30411; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:35:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:35:08 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Brandon Fosdick Cc: Kazu TAKAMUNE , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Failure of buildworld Message-ID: <20000712233507.A30345@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000712133138R.takamune@vrl.mei.co.jp> <396CEA91.546AE314@glue.umd.edu> <20000712155659.C28219@dragon.nuxi.com> <396D359A.DFE0AF00@glue.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <396D359A.DFE0AF00@glue.umd.edu>; from bfoz@glue.umd.edu on Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 11:20:58PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 11:20:58PM -0400, Brandon Fosdick wrote: > > I think I've fixed this now. Please make sure you have > > src/include/Makefile revision 1.109.2.2. > > No good, same failure, same place. Ever have a very simple commit that has many repocussions you didn't think of??? Foo. Anyway, now I think src/etc/mtree/BSD.include.dist rev 1.32.2.1 (submitted by Udo Schweigert ) will fix the problem. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) P.S. I really, really, truely hope this will fix things this time. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 12 23:47: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.nikoma.de (smtp1.nikoma.de [212.122.128.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871C737BC5C for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:46:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oliver.helmling@nikocity.de) Received: from hal.matof.de (dialin180-nt.pg10.frankfurt.nikoma.de [213.54.41.180]) by smtp1.nikoma.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA95362 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:46:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.helmling@nikocity.de) Received: from localhost (oliver@localhost) by hal.matof.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04270 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:57:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.helmling@nikocity.de) X-Authentication-Warning: hal.matof.de: oliver owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:57:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Helmling To: FreeBSD-stable Mailingliste Subject: various questions about make targets Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi all! i'm a little bit confused about the various make targets. so could you explain to me the differences of the following targets: ports: make deinstall -> pkg_delete make reinstall -> make install building the world: after a "make installworld" on the buildworld-server, on the client: make installworld -> make reinstall i got this from "/usr/src/Makefile.inc1". thanks in advance. -- Viele Grüße Oliver Helmling To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 0:13:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sohara.dyndns.org (pooh.elsevier.nl [145.36.13.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8BFF37C263 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:13:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@sohara.dyndns.org) Received: (from steve@localhost) by sohara.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01247; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:20:26 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from steve) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <396C871E.F33818B3@owp.csus.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:20:25 +0100 (IST) From: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" To: Joseph Scott Subject: Re: Bad sound output, AudioPCI ES1371, 4.0-STABLE Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 12-Jul-00 Joseph Scott wrote: > I'm starting to suspect that somewhere I've managed to do something > to cause this, other than just tracking -STABLE. Unfortuntely I'm > having a hard time coming up with something that I've done that would > affect sound. I found a way to get horrible sound out of mine :). I added a couple of lines to my XF86Config (trying to get rid of the lines that appear when sound plays), pci_burst_on and fifo_moderate were the settings I tried. It seems the PCI sound can be sensitive to the (probably bad) behaviour of other things on the bus, pulling 15 MB/s out of the UDMA/66 doesn't bother it at all but the built in AGP video can on my box it seems. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith http://sohara.webhop.net/ A Better Way To Focus The Sun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 0:30:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [192.109.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13BFA37B5E4 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:30:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by picalon.gun.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00770 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:30:18 +0200 (MET DST) >Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04395 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:18:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:18:45 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: how to update from FreeBSD 2.2.8 to RELENG_4 Message-ID: <20000713091845.A2997@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi ! I have an old FreeBSD 2.2.8 installation at a customers site. Does somebody have any experience in upgrading such a machine to 4.0 ? Or is there a document available where these steps are documented over the different FreeBSD releases ??? I'd do the following and pray ... 1) upgrade sources to latest RELENG_2_2 build RELENG_2_2 kernel and reboot make world reboot 2) checkout FreeBSD 3.0-current sources prior FreeBSD ELF (approx May 24th, 1998) build FreeBSD-3.0-current kernel and reboot make world reboot 3) checkout sources RELENG_3_1_0_RELEASE [ Q: do I have to prepare a special kernel config file here which is used to build an ELF aware FreeBSD kernel here ??? ] make aout-to-elf-build [ interactive questions here ] make aout-to-elf-install rebuild kernel reboot * now we have a FreeBSD 3.1 ELF system * 4) checkout RELENG_3 build RELENG_3 kernel and reboot make world reboot 5) checkout RELENG_4_0_0_RELEASE build RELENG_4_0_0_RELEASE kernel and reboot make world reboot 6) checkout RELENG_4 build RELENG_4 kernel and reboot make world reboot -- Andreas Klemm http://people.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html powered by Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD New APSFILTER 542 and songs from our band - http://people.freebsd.org/~andreas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 0:40:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sohara.dyndns.org (pooh.elsevier.nl [145.36.13.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A2C37B99A for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:40:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@sohara.dyndns.org) Received: (from steve@localhost) by sohara.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01302; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:47:34 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from steve) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000713091845.A2997@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:47:34 +0100 (IST) From: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" To: Andreas Klemm Subject: RE: how to update from FreeBSD 2.2.8 to RELENG_4 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 13-Jul-00 Andreas Klemm wrote: > I have an old FreeBSD 2.2.8 installation at a customers site. > Does somebody have any experience in upgrading such a machine to 4.0 ? There is a lot to be said for: Backup all user data. Install 4-STABLE on a new machine. Copy user data to new machine. I think the time it takes to do all the steps you outlined would pay for a new machine :) s/new/existing/ to save money and increase risk :) -- Steve O'Hara-Smith http://sohara.webhop.net/ A Better Way To Focus The Sun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 1:21:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A12437C2B7 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:21:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@pool0226.cvx20-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net) Received: from pool0226.cvx20-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net (pool0158.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.192.158]) by penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26831; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by pool0226.cvx20-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03596; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:17:52 -0700 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: Andreas Klemm Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how to update from FreeBSD 2.2.8 to RELENG_4 Message-ID: <20000713011751.B557@dialin-client.earthlink.net> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <20000713091845.A2997@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000713091845.A2997@titan.klemm.gtn.com>; from andreas@klemm.gtn.com on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 09:18:45AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 09:18:45AM +0200, Andreas Klemm wrote: > Hi ! > > I have an old FreeBSD 2.2.8 installation at a customers site. > Does somebody have any experience in upgrading such a machine to 4.0 ? > > Or is there a document available where these steps are documented > over the different FreeBSD releases ??? > > I'd do the following and pray ... [snip] 1) Get 4.0-RELEASE install floppies. 2) Do a binary install of the minimal system using media of choice (FTP, 4.0-R CDROM, etc.). 3) Grab 4.x-STABLE source with CVSup. i) If you have an old cvsup installed, it is probably broken. Shuffle aout libs to fix, or ii) Install a new cvsup package during sysinstall (safer). 4) Make sure /etc/make.conf has enabled COMPAT22. 5) buildworld. 6) Configure 4.x kernel, buildkernel, installkernel. 7) installworld. 8) Reboot. Why bother building source each step of the way? It can only make trouble. It does not benefit you in anyway. There are some details left out, but that is left as an excercise for the reader. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@alum.mit.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 1:55:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zipcode.corp.home.net (zipcode.corp.home.net [24.0.26.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6A237B7C6 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:55:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from manek@ecst.csuchico.edu) Received: from after (dialup69.home.net [24.0.25.69]) by zipcode.corp.home.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA28933; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:55:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Sameer R. Manek" To: "Andreas Klemm" , Subject: RE: how to update from FreeBSD 2.2.8 to RELENG_4 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:55:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20000713091845.A2997@titan.klemm.gtn.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Andreas Klemm > I have an old FreeBSD 2.2.8 installation at a customers site. > Does somebody have any experience in upgrading such a machine to 4.0 ? > > Or is there a document available where these steps are documented > over the different FreeBSD releases ??? > > I'd do the following and pray ... > Given that you plan to do 5 make worlds, on a pII 400, that's about 2.5-3 hours each. So that's a good 10-15 hours of just compiling? Assuming it works flawlessly. You should ask yourself is such an upgrade worth the man hours? Not to mention, this has to be a production system. You should have a development system to test the planned upgrade, or at the very least a server designed as a replacement, for the current production system. Really a fresh install of 4.0, or soon 4.1 would be your best bet. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 2: 8:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from uran.kharkiv.net (uran.kharkiv.net [194.44.156.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8446E37C32D for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:08:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vvc@kharkiv.net) Received: from holder.kharkiv.net (holder.kharkiv.net [194.44.156.161]) by uran.kharkiv.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/uran) with ESMTP id MAA06780 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:08:22 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from vvc@kharkiv.net) Received: from holder (localhost.kharkiv.net [127.0.0.1]) by holder.kharkiv.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/holder) with SMTP id e6D98Ge08085 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:08:19 +0300 Message-ID: <396D86FF.446B@kharkiv.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:08:15 +0300 From: "Vadim V. Chepkov" Organization: Kharkiv Online X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; AIX 2) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: lptcontrol - still broken Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I cvsuped just now, but lptcontrol still broken ===> usr.sbin/lptcontrol rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include /usr/src/usr.sbin/lp tcontrol/lptcontrol.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c:45: dev/ppbus/lptio.h: No such file or directory mkdep: compile failed *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/usr.sbin. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 2:15:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [192.109.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C46A37BCC5 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:15:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by picalon.gun.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12057; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:15:17 +0200 (MET DST) >Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05064; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:04:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:04:56 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: "Sameer R. Manek" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to update from FreeBSD 2.2.8 to RELENG_4 Message-ID: <20000713110456.A4811@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: <20000713091845.A2997@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from manek@ecst.csuchico.edu on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 01:55:50AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 01:55:50AM -0700, Sameer R. Manek wrote: > Really a fresh install of 4.0, or soon 4.1 would be your best bet. If doing backup and restore of applications in /usr/local ... Would they run after a fresh 4.1 installation ? Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm http://people.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html powered by Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD New APSFILTER 542 and songs from our band - http://people.freebsd.org/~andreas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 2:27:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sohara.dyndns.org (pooh.elsevier.nl [145.36.13.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE58B37C357 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:27:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@sohara.dyndns.org) Received: (from steve@localhost) by sohara.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01434; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:34:36 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from steve) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000713110456.A4811@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:34:36 +0100 (IST) From: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" To: Andreas Klemm Subject: Re: how to update from FreeBSD 2.2.8 to RELENG_4 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, "Sameer R. Manek" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 13-Jul-00 Andreas Klemm wrote: > If doing backup and restore of applications in /usr/local ... > Would they run after a fresh 4.1 installation ? In theory if all the compat libraries are installed they should. I have a few old 2.something binaries that run fine. I wouldn't bet on anything out of ports/sysutils though :) -- Steve O'Hara-Smith http://sohara.webhop.net/ A Better Way To Focus The Sun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 2:30:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scooby.lineone.net (doggy.lineone.net [194.75.152.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13BF37C354 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:30:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from war-zone@uk2.net) Received: from galaxy (host213-1-14-241.host.btclick.com [213.1.14.241]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA16935; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:29:57 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <004e01bfecac$52581ea0$f10e01d5@galaxy> From: "Stone" To: "Vadim V. Chepkov" Cc: References: <396D86FF.446B@kharkiv.net> Subject: Re: lptcontrol - still broken Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:25:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vadim V. Chepkov" To: Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 10:08 AM Subject: lptcontrol - still broken > Hi! > > I cvsuped just now, but lptcontrol still broken > > > ===> usr.sbin/lptcontrol > rm -f .depend > mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include > /usr/src/usr.sbin/lp > tcontrol/lptcontrol.c > /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c:45: dev/ppbus/lptio.h: No such > file or > directory > mkdep: compile failed > *** Error code 1 > I`m not sure if this has been fixed now, I did a quick fix by changing the path of the header file to the full path and it compiled succesfully. I`m not sure if this is the correct way of doing this as I am not very proficient in C or familiar with freebsd internals. Howerver the buildworld process worked flawlessly after i made the change. Chris Hearn - chris-hearn@lineone.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 2:31:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from goliath.siemens.de (goliath.siemens.de [194.138.37.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0AD37C3CA; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:31:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ust@cert.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: ust@cert.siemens.de (at relayer goliath.siemens.de) Received: from mail2.siemens.de (mail2.siemens.de [139.25.208.11]) by goliath.siemens.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6D9V7B14686; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:31:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mars.cert.siemens.de (ust.mchp.siemens.de [139.23.201.17]) by mail2.siemens.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6D9V6Q17178; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:31:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alaska.cert.siemens.de (reims.mchp.siemens.de [139.23.202.134]) by mars.cert.siemens.de (8.10.2/8.10.2/Siemens CERT [ $Revision: 1.8 ]) with ESMTP id e6D9V6D22013; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:31:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ust@localhost) by alaska.cert.siemens.de (8.10.2/8.10.2/alaska [ $Revision: 1.4 ]) id e6D9V6s07731; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:31:06 GMT Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:31:06 +0200 From: Udo Schweigert To: "David O'Brien" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Failure of buildworld Message-ID: <20000713113106.A95189@alaska.cert.siemens.de> References: <20000712133138R.takamune@vrl.mei.co.jp> <396CEA91.546AE314@glue.umd.edu> <20000712155659.C28219@dragon.nuxi.com> <396D359A.DFE0AF00@glue.umd.edu> <20000712233507.A30345@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20000712233507.A30345@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 11:35:08PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 23:35:08 -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 11:20:58PM -0400, Brandon Fosdick wrote: > > > I think I've fixed this now. Please make sure you have > > > src/include/Makefile revision 1.109.2.2. > > > > No good, same failure, same place. > > Ever have a very simple commit that has many repocussions you didn't > think of??? Foo. > > Anyway, now I think src/etc/mtree/BSD.include.dist rev 1.32.2.1 > (submitted by Udo Schweigert ) will fix the problem. > Now we can reach the climax, since it seems we need also this patch ;-))) --- src/include/Makefile.orig Thu Jul 13 06:45:41 2000 +++ src/include/Makefile Thu Jul 13 10:46:43 2000 @@ -48,7 +48,7 @@ LSUBDIRS= isofs/cd9660 ufs/ffs ufs/mfs ufs/ufs cam/scsi dev/ppbus dev/usb # For SHARED=symlinks, cam is a symlink, so cam/scsi is taken care of -LSYMSUBDIRS= isofs/cd9660 ufs/ffs ufs/mfs ufs/ufs dev/usb +LSYMSUBDIRS= isofs/cd9660 ufs/ffs ufs/mfs ufs/ufs dev/ppbus dev/usb # Define SHARED to indicate whether you want symbolic links to the system # source (``symlinks''), or a separate copy (``copies''). ``symlinks'' is Regards. -- Udo Schweigert, Siemens AG | Voice : +49 89 636 42170 ZT IK 3, Siemens CERT | Fax : +49 89 636 41166 D-81730 Muenchen / Germany | email : ust@cert.siemens.de PGP-2/5 fingerprint | D8 A5 DF 34 EC 87 E8 C6 E2 26 C4 D0 EE 80 36 B2 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 2:32:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from goliath.siemens.de (goliath.siemens.de [194.138.37.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A955C37C391 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:32:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ust@cert.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: ust@cert.siemens.de (at relayer goliath.siemens.de) Received: from mail2.siemens.de (mail2.siemens.de [139.25.208.11]) by goliath.siemens.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6D9WGB15115; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:32:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mars.cert.siemens.de (ust.mchp.siemens.de [139.23.201.17]) by mail2.siemens.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6D9WFQ17777; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:32:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alaska.cert.siemens.de (reims.mchp.siemens.de [139.23.202.134]) by mars.cert.siemens.de (8.10.2/8.10.2/Siemens CERT [ $Revision: 1.8 ]) with ESMTP id e6D9WFD22027; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:32:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ust@localhost) by alaska.cert.siemens.de (8.10.2/8.10.2/alaska [ $Revision: 1.4 ]) id e6D9WF912024; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:32:15 GMT Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:32:15 +0200 From: Udo Schweigert To: "Vadim V. Chepkov" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: lptcontrol - still broken Message-ID: <20000713113215.B95189@alaska.cert.siemens.de> Mail-Followup-To: "Vadim V. Chepkov" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <396D86FF.446B@kharkiv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <396D86FF.446B@kharkiv.net>; from vvc@kharkiv.net on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 12:08:15PM +0300 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 12:08:15 +0300, Vadim V. Chepkov wrote: > Hi! > > I cvsuped just now, but lptcontrol still broken > > > ===> usr.sbin/lptcontrol > rm -f .depend > mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include > /usr/src/usr.sbin/lp > tcontrol/lptcontrol.c > /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c:45: dev/ppbus/lptio.h: No such > file or > directory Yes, you also need this patch: --- src/include/Makefile.orig Thu Jul 13 06:45:41 2000 +++ src/include/Makefile Thu Jul 13 10:46:43 2000 @@ -48,7 +48,7 @@ LSUBDIRS= isofs/cd9660 ufs/ffs ufs/mfs ufs/ufs cam/scsi dev/ppbus dev/usb # For SHARED=symlinks, cam is a symlink, so cam/scsi is taken care of -LSYMSUBDIRS= isofs/cd9660 ufs/ffs ufs/mfs ufs/ufs dev/usb +LSYMSUBDIRS= isofs/cd9660 ufs/ffs ufs/mfs ufs/ufs dev/ppbus dev/usb # Define SHARED to indicate whether you want symbolic links to the system # source (``symlinks''), or a separate copy (``copies''). ``symlinks'' is Regards. -- Udo Schweigert, Siemens AG | Voice : +49 89 636 42170 ZT IK 3, Siemens CERT | Fax : +49 89 636 41166 D-81730 Muenchen / Germany | email : ust@cert.siemens.de PGP-2/5 fingerprint | D8 A5 DF 34 EC 87 E8 C6 E2 26 C4 D0 EE 80 36 B2 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 2:56:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from iclub.nsu.ru (iclub.nsu.ru [193.124.222.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7755737C39B for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:55:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru) Received: from localhost (fjoe@localhost) by iclub.nsu.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09182; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:49:58 +0700 (NSS) (envelope-from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:49:58 +0700 (NSS) From: Max Khon To: Andreas Klemm Cc: "Sameer R. Manek" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: how to update from FreeBSD 2.2.8 to RELENG_4 In-Reply-To: <20000713110456.A4811@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, there! On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Andreas Klemm wrote: > If doing backup and restore of applications in /usr/local ... if you will not re-newfs your /usr then you need not backup /usr/local all that you may want to backup is /etc after upgrade you can move your old /etc back and then run mergemaster > Would they run after a fresh 4.1 installation ? yes /fjoe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 3: 1:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from iclub.nsu.ru (iclub.nsu.ru [193.124.222.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4232A37C406 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:57:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru) Received: from localhost (fjoe@localhost) by iclub.nsu.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09219; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:53:35 +0700 (NSS) (envelope-from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:53:35 +0700 (NSS) From: Max Khon To: Stone Cc: "Vadim V. Chepkov" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: lptcontrol - still broken In-Reply-To: <004e01bfecac$52581ea0$f10e01d5@galaxy> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, there! On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Stone wrote: > I`m not sure if this has been fixed now, I did a quick fix by changing the > path of > the header file to the full path and it compiled succesfully. > > I`m not sure if this is the correct way of doing this as I am not very > proficient in > C or familiar with freebsd internals. Howerver the buildworld process worked > flawlessly after i made the change. the correct way is to fix etc/BSD.include.dist the fix has already been committed: --- cut here --- obrien 2000/07/12 23:28:47 PDT Modified files: (Branch: RELENG_4) etc/mtree BSD.include.dist Log: MFC: rev 1.33 (add dev/ppbus for lptio.h) Revision Changes Path 1.32.2.1 +3 -1 src/etc/mtree/BSD.include.dist --- cut here --- be patient, wait till your cvsup mirror suck the changes in /fjoe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 3:10:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF9437C3E5 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 03:10:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e6DAAlI17136 for stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 03:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 03:10:47 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: network install HOWTO Message-ID: <20000713031047.Q25571@fw.wintelcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok guys it's a _very_ rough HOWTO, but patches (not comments!) would be appreciated: How to install FreeBSD via Intel's netboot (PXE) http://people.freebsd.org/~alfred/pxe/ enjoy. -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 3:26: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from goliath.siemens.de (goliath.siemens.de [194.138.37.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E7C37B56F for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 03:26:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ust@cert.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: ust@cert.siemens.de (at relayer goliath.siemens.de) Received: from mail1.siemens.de (mail1.siemens.de [139.23.33.14]) by goliath.siemens.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6DAQ1B03747; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:26:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mars.cert.siemens.de (ust.mchp.siemens.de [139.23.201.17]) by mail1.siemens.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6DAQ0C25389; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:26:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alaska.cert.siemens.de (reims.mchp.siemens.de [139.23.202.134]) by mars.cert.siemens.de (8.10.2/8.10.2/Siemens CERT [ $Revision: 1.8 ]) with ESMTP id e6DAQ0D22492; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:26:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ust@localhost) by alaska.cert.siemens.de (8.10.2/8.10.2/alaska [ $Revision: 1.4 ]) id e6DAPu775188; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:25:56 GMT Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:25:56 +0200 From: Udo Schweigert To: Max Khon Cc: Stone , "Vadim V. Chepkov" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: lptcontrol - still broken Message-ID: <20000713122556.A46336@alaska.cert.siemens.de> References: <004e01bfecac$52581ea0$f10e01d5@galaxy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 04:53:35PM +0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 16:53:35 +0700, Max Khon wrote: > hi, there! > > On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Stone wrote: > > > I`m not sure if this has been fixed now, I did a quick fix by changing the > > path of > > the header file to the full path and it compiled succesfully. > > > > I`m not sure if this is the correct way of doing this as I am not very > > proficient in > > C or familiar with freebsd internals. Howerver the buildworld process worked > > flawlessly after i made the change. > > the correct way is to fix etc/BSD.include.dist > the fix has already been committed: > No. It does not fix all problems. The make buildworld fails, because it does not find include/dev/ppbus in it`s build-include path, which should contain something like this: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/dev/ppbus The fix in etc/mtree/BSD.include.dist ensures that the include files can be installed in the installworld part. The fix to include/Makefile which I posted recently ensures the include files are readable in stage4 of buildworld. Regards. -- Udo Schweigert, Siemens AG | Voice : +49 89 636 42170 ZT IK 3, Siemens CERT | Fax : +49 89 636 41166 D-81730 Muenchen / Germany | email : ust@cert.siemens.de PGP-2/5 fingerprint | D8 A5 DF 34 EC 87 E8 C6 E2 26 C4 D0 EE 80 36 B2 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 3:32:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from trinity.skynet.be (trinity.skynet.be [195.238.2.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074A437BE96 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 03:32:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by trinity.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD21118106; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:32:12 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200007130457.WAA20941@harmony.village.org> References: <200007130457.WAA20941@harmony.village.org> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:17:48 +0200 To: Warner Losh From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make your kernels Cc: Peter van Heusden , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:57 PM -0600 2000/7/12, Warner Losh wrote: > In message Brad Knowles writes: > : Hmm. Good idea. Until then, this needs to be mentioned in the > : documentation. > > How is UPDATING currently not sufficient for this purpose? What I guess the online documentation should say is something like "If you're updating the sources for your machine with cvsup, then you need to follow the kernel build procedure documented in /usr/src/UPDATING, because there may be internal dependancies that have changed with the source update. As of this writing, what /usr/src/UPDATING says to do is: ...", and then to mention that if you're just rebuilding your kernel and haven't updated the sources, to use the "usual" procedure that is documented in section X.Y.Z of the handbook. The problem, as I see it, is that many times the only source of information on what to do is in the archives of this mailing list (or on -CURRENT, where these things were discussed before they got MFC'd), and there is typically a time lag between the changes being made, things being discussed on the list, things being put into /usr/src/UPDATING, and the online documentation (in roughly that order). This can mean hours and even days of downtime for someone unlucky enough to update at the wrong time. The only other alternative I can see is to recommend in the strongest possible terms against people actually trying to *use* -STABLE on production systems, and that only people who are willing to subscribe to the -STABLE mailing list, keep up with perhaps hundreds of messages per day, understand each and every one of them, and be able to usefully contribute to the discussion, should even bother attempting to use -STABLE. However, at that point, I see little difference between -STABLE and -CURRENT. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 3:32:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from trinity.skynet.be (trinity.skynet.be [195.238.2.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BDE837C430 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 03:32:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by trinity.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C3B1812A; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:32:20 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000713061510.A9461@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20000713061510.A9461@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:19:11 +0200 To: j mckitrick , stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: new buildkernel question HOPEFULLY not stupid Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 6:15 AM +0100 2000/7/13, j mckitrick wrote: > i've tried to parse a stack of emails on the buildkernel / installkernel > issue, and i have one question: do i need to follow this procedure everytime > i rebuild a kernel, or ONLY when i have cvsupped? The reason i ask is i > REALLY hate recompiling the entire kernel to test a one-line change in a > driver. My understanding is that you need to use it only after you've cvsup'ed. > Can i just use the old compile routine if i haven't cvsupped since the last > compile? Yes, I believe so. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 5:13:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2E337B7BB for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:13:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 13Chry-0002b4-00; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:13:34 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12058; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:13:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:13:34 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: Warner Losh Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new buildkernel question HOPEFULLY not stupid Message-ID: <20000713131334.B11814@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20000713061510.A9461@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <200007130530.XAA21272@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200007130530.XAA21272@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 11:30:14PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I think this is a duplicate message, but here goes... thanks, i appreciate it.... > If you are hacking the kernel and modifying the sources yourself, then > the old method works and is the supported way to do that. hack a > line, make a kernel, etc just like normal. whew. thanks goodness. makes life much easier. almost as easy at 3.4 :) jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org To Microsoft: "Your tyranny I was part of, is now cracking on every side. Now your own life is in danger. Your Empire is on fire." Front 242 ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 5:15: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7B337B7BB for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:15:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 13ChtM-0002dm-00; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:15:00 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12094; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:15:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:15:00 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: Brad Knowles Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new buildkernel question HOPEFULLY not stupid Message-ID: <20000713131500.C11814@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20000713061510.A9461@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from blk@skynet.be on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 11:19:11AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > My understanding is that you need to use it only after you've cvsup'ed. > > > Can i just use the old compile routine if i haven't cvsupped since the last > > compile? > > Yes, I believe so. Thanks for the help. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 5:28:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from morag.kenderhome.com (morag.kenderhome.com [216.94.125.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC2037C30A for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:28:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tass@morag.kenderhome.com) Received: from localhost (tass@localhost) by morag.kenderhome.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6DCRw897962 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:27:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Tass To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -- |Tass Chapman| tass@kenderhome.com : PGP key @ pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371| | http://www.kenderhome.com : KEYID: 0x5BC152A1 | |ICQ UIN:394570 | -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 5:31:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A5337C3AF for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:31:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e6DCUhU82700; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:30:43 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <200007131230.e6DCUhU82700@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: lptcontrol - still broken In-Reply-To: <20000713122556.A46336@alaska.cert.siemens.de> from Udo Schweigert at "Jul 13, 2000 12:25:56 pm" To: ust@cert.siemens.de (Udo Schweigert) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:30:43 +0200 (SAT) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 16:53:35 +0700, Max Khon wrote: > > hi, there! > > > > On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Stone wrote: > > > > > I`m not sure if this has been fixed now, I did a quick fix by changing the > > > path of > > > the header file to the full path and it compiled succesfully. > > > > > > I`m not sure if this is the correct way of doing this as I am not very > > > proficient in > > > C or familiar with freebsd internals. Howerver the buildworld process worked > > > flawlessly after i made the change. > > > > the correct way is to fix etc/BSD.include.dist > > the fix has already been committed: > > > > No. It does not fix all problems. > > The make buildworld fails, because it does not find include/dev/ppbus in it`s > build-include path, which should contain something like this: > /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/dev/ppbus > I think this patch will fix it, but I'm still running a make release to make sure. John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@icomtek.csir.co.za --- include/Makefile.org Thu Jul 13 00:56:00 2000 +++ include/Makefile Thu Jul 13 14:17:25 2000 @@ -48,7 +48,7 @@ LSUBDIRS= isofs/cd9660 ufs/ffs ufs/mfs ufs/ufs cam/scsi dev/ppbus dev/usb # For SHARED=symlinks, cam is a symlink, so cam/scsi is taken care of -LSYMSUBDIRS= isofs/cd9660 ufs/ffs ufs/mfs ufs/ufs dev/usb +LSYMSUBDIRS= isofs/cd9660 ufs/ffs ufs/mfs ufs/ufs dev/ppbus dev/usb # Define SHARED to indicate whether you want symbolic links to the system # source (``symlinks''), or a separate copy (``copies''). ``symlinks'' is To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 5:32:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from goliath.siemens.de (goliath.siemens.de [194.138.37.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02AC37C374 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:32:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ust@cert.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: ust@cert.siemens.de (at relayer goliath.siemens.de) Received: from mail1.siemens.de (mail1.siemens.de [139.23.33.14]) by goliath.siemens.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6DCWiB18665; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:32:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mars.cert.siemens.de (ust.mchp.siemens.de [139.23.201.17]) by mail1.siemens.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6DCWiC09478; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:32:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alaska.cert.siemens.de (reims.mchp.siemens.de [139.23.202.134]) by mars.cert.siemens.de (8.10.2/8.10.2/Siemens CERT [ $Revision: 1.8 ]) with ESMTP id e6DCWiD23485; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:32:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ust@localhost) by alaska.cert.siemens.de (8.10.2/8.10.2/alaska [ $Revision: 1.4 ]) id e6DCWh634721; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:32:43 GMT Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:32:43 +0200 From: Udo Schweigert To: John Hay Cc: Udo Schweigert , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: lptcontrol - still broken Message-ID: <20000713143243.A34696@alaska.cert.siemens.de> References: <20000713122556.A46336@alaska.cert.siemens.de> <200007131230.e6DCUhU82700@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <200007131230.e6DCUhU82700@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za>; from jhay@icomtek.co.za on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 02:30:43PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 14:30:43 +0200, John Hay wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 16:53:35 +0700, Max Khon wrote: > > > hi, there! > > > > > > On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Stone wrote: > > > > > > > I`m not sure if this has been fixed now, I did a quick fix by changing the > > > > path of > > > > the header file to the full path and it compiled succesfully. > > > > > > > > I`m not sure if this is the correct way of doing this as I am not very > > > > proficient in > > > > C or familiar with freebsd internals. Howerver the buildworld process worked > > > > flawlessly after i made the change. > > > > > > the correct way is to fix etc/BSD.include.dist > > > the fix has already been committed: > > > > > > > No. It does not fix all problems. > > > > The make buildworld fails, because it does not find include/dev/ppbus in it`s > > build-include path, which should contain something like this: > > /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/dev/ppbus > > > > I think this patch will fix it, but I'm still running a make release to > make sure. My "make world" succeeded with that patch. -- Udo Schweigert, Siemens AG | Voice : +49 89 636 42170 ZT IK 3, Siemens CERT | Fax : +49 89 636 41166 D-81730 Muenchen / Germany | email : ust@cert.siemens.de PGP-2/5 fingerprint | D8 A5 DF 34 EC 87 E8 C6 E2 26 C4 D0 EE 80 36 B2 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 5:54:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from accord.grasslake.net (accord.grasslake.net [206.11.249.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A880D37C40D; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:54:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swb@grasslake.net) Received: from k6 (k6.grasslake.net [192.168.2.1]) by accord.grasslake.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA10139; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:55:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from swb@grasslake.net) Message-ID: <000e01bfecc9$67ec3c20$0102a8c0@k6> From: "Shawn Barnhart" To: "Warner Losh" Cc: "Kris Kennaway" , References: <00b801bfeb66$94ab2960$9b239fc0@mobocracy> <200007130506.XAA21015@harmony.village.org> Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:53:56 -0500 Organization: Grasslake.Net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warner Losh" | | Read UPDATING for late breaking news. We've been recommending this | proceedure for building kernels since before 4.0 was released. It is | documented. If there isn't a note in the handbook to look at | UPDATING, there should be. I can appreciate that, but what often frustrates me about FreeBSD (and maybe I'm still too used to the Linux world) is that the documentation seems to lag. Maybe after another six months of use it won't matter to me and I'll understand why its not a priority, but major stuff like the kernel build changes ought to be a documentation update priority to prevent the throngs from posting 10,000 messages asking "Why doesn't my kernel/world build right?" Is UPDATING the primary source for late-breaking changes? Can I count on that to keep me informed of changes? I try to keep up with the mailing list but its not always possible for me to do so. -- swb@grasslake.net Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 6: 8:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sohara.dyndns.org (pooh.elsevier.nl [145.36.13.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B88937BE48; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:08:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@sohara.dyndns.org) Received: (from steve@localhost) by sohara.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02034; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:15:15 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from steve) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <000e01bfecc9$67ec3c20$0102a8c0@k6> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:15:14 +0100 (IST) From: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" To: Shawn Barnhart Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make y Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Kris Kennaway , Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 13-Jul-00 Shawn Barnhart wrote: > me and I'll understand why its not a priority, but major stuff like the > kernel build changes ought to be a documentation update priority to > prevent the throngs from posting 10,000 messages asking "Why doesn't my I think the factor here is that things like this are very rare (especially in -STABLE) and so there is no well worn path of practice when it does happen. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith http://sohara.webhop.net/ A Better Way To Focus The Sun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 6:27:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pi.yip.org (yip.org [199.45.111.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDBF37C437 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:27:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from melange@yip.org) Received: from localhost (melange@localhost) by pi.yip.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28041 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:27:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from melange@yip.org) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:27:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob K X-Sender: melange@localhost To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: OT: Subscription info for mailing lists Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Given the number of incorrect subscription requests I see on -stable, perhaps the subscription information on the webpages/docs/welcome message could include a link which would look like this: mailto:majordomo@freebsd.org?body=subscribe%20freebsd-stable which would hopefully cut down on it? This could also be modified for the other lists, as I'm sure they suffer from the same problem. -- Bob "Reality is the only word in the language that should always be used in quotes" - The Amityville Horror III To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 6:33:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wat-border.sentex.ca (waterloo-hespler.sentex.ca [199.212.135.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D45B37C1FC for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:33:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite-atm.sentex.ca [209.112.4.1]) by wat-border.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18106; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:33:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA24818; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000713092922.04ae8300@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:29:52 -0400 To: Udo Schweigert , John Hay From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: lptcontrol - still broken Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000713143243.A34696@alaska.cert.siemens.de> References: <200007131230.e6DCUhU82700@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> <20000713122556.A46336@alaska.cert.siemens.de> <200007131230.e6DCUhU82700@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 02:32 PM 7/13/00 +0200, Udo Schweigert wrote: > > I think this patch will fix it, but I'm still running a make release to > > make sure. > >My "make world" succeeded with that patch. For me as well on my two build boxes... ---Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications mike@sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 7:56:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600BD37BF16 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:56:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA22824 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:56:29 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeff@mountin.net) Received: from dial-111.max1.wa.cyberlynk.net(207.227.118.111) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma022822; Thu Jul 13 09:56:15 2000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20000713094618.00abdf00@mixcom.com> X-Sender: jeffm@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:55:26 -0500 To: stable@FreeBSD.org From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: NOUUCP knob MFC? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG 'Twas commited to -current back on 3/20 and has yet to be MFC'd. So long I forgot. Would be nice before 4.1R. 8-) Forgot to re-hack a makefile and subsequent bitten during a buildworld when the directories didn't exist, which also begs a question: Can mtree deal with 'if' statements? Simple enough to blow away a directory or modify the files, but it would be cleaner if the knobs would be able to modify mtree's behavior. Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 8:14:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rad3.1stup.com (rad3.1stup.com [209.143.242.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0115A37C205 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:14:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@siteplus.net) Received: from veager (JCSNB109-14.splitrock.net [209.253.4.83]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id IAA20468 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:14:35 -0700 Message-ID: <00a501bfecdd$1414d3a0$5304fdd1@siteplus.net> From: "Jim Weeks" To: References: Subject: Re: how to update from FreeBSD 2.2.8 to RELENG_4 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:14:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote, > There is a lot to be said for: > > Backup all user data. > > Install 4-STABLE on a new machine. > > Copy user data to new machine. My 2cents, Granted I have not tried it with 4.X, but I have successfully done a binary upgrade from 2.6 to 3.X many times with no problem. I think the guideline to do the backup for safety sake and then a binary upgrade would fit the bill nicely. This way if it works you will have the best of both worlds. If you chose this route I would also like to know the results. Jim ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 8:39:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cfdnet.me.tuns.ca (CFDnet.me.TUNS.Ca [134.190.50.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC3C837C249 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:39:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bbmail@cfdnet.me.tuns.ca) Received: from localhost (bbmail@localhost) by cfdnet.me.tuns.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20158; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:34:37 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from bbmail@cfdnet.me.tuns.ca) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:34:37 -0300 (ADT) From: Bryan Bursey To: Warner Losh Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: <200007130513.XAA21118@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > : We might also want to include the specifics of the 'chflags' commands that > > Ummm, it has been in UPDATING since before 4.0 was released: Warner: Sorry. My comment was made when someone suggested including this in the handbook as well, but his text did not included this info. Now that it appears that we'll be using the handbook to point users refer to the UPDATING file, all should be fine. Thanks. Bryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 8:41:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5129A37C1D7 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:41:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bandix@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27150; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:41:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:41:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: FreeBSD-STABLE Cc: Warner Losh Subject: src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC MFC for 4.1? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The version of GENERIC being used to generate kernels for RELENG_4 is still missing support for the xe driver under PCCARD. This driver has been verified working under PCCARD by myself and others following several MFCs done by Warner Losh which brought working code down from CURRENT. It is currently possible to use xe under 4.0-STABLE but not possible to install from an xe card. I would very much like to see support for xe added to GENERIC before 4.1 so that it can be installed via xe. Brandon D. Valentine -- bandix at looksharp.net | bandix at structbio.vanderbilt.edu "Truth suffers from too much analysis." -- Ancient Fremen Saying To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 8:43:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bman.uucom.com (bman.uucom.com [198.202.217.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA8337C43B for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:43:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dakota@tangerine.uucom.com) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (tangerine.uucom.com [198.202.217.38]) by bman.uucom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/990218bjb) with ESMTP id LAA14143 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tangerine.uucom.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21770 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007131544.LAA21770@tangerine.uucom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Matthew Whalen X-image-url: http://www.mediumgreen.com/dakota.gif Subject: vmware2 and xfree86-4.0.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:44:17 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a new machine that I'm trying to configure. It's very similar to my regular home machine (PIII 700 vs K7 700). They both run 4.0-stable (home was build last about 1 month ago, new machine yesterday). I have xf86 4 on this new machine, and 3 at home. My vmware on the new machine dies cathing with a SIGSEGV and "Abort trap" being printed to the screen. I know that vmware doesn't officially support XF86 4, but this doesn't really sound a lot like an Xserver problem to me. There isn't much in the vmware log to note. Has anyone tried vmware2 with XF86 4 yet? If so, did you get the same result? Is there something else going on? thank you for any pointers -matthew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 8:48:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AC337C578 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:48:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bandix@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27237 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:48:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:48:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: FreeBSD-STABLE Subject: What happened to Xnest in install? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I installed 4.0-RELEASE from ftp.freebsd.org yesterday and all went smoothly but after I brought the machine up I found that the Xnest.tgz part of the XF86336 distribution set was not installed by default with the X-Developer distribution. It was trivial for me to download Xnest.tgz and unpack it in /usr/X11R6 but it concerns me that this is no longer installed by default. Brandon D. Valentine -- bandix at looksharp.net | bandix at structbio.vanderbilt.edu "Truth suffers from too much analysis." -- Ancient Fremen Saying To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 9: 5:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C9E37B73D for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:05:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12677; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:05:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200007131605.JAA12677@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: NOUUCP knob MFC? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.20000713094618.00abdf00@mixcom.com> from "Jeffrey J. Mountin" at "Jul 13, 2000 09:55:26 am" To: jeff@mountin.net (Jeffrey J. Mountin) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > 'Twas commited to -current back on 3/20 and has yet to be MFC'd. So long I > forgot. Would be nice before 4.1R. 8-) > > > Forgot to re-hack a makefile and subsequent bitten during a buildworld when > the directories didn't exist, which also begs a question: > > Can mtree deal with 'if' statements? No, but cpp or m4 can, ahhh..heck... just use unifdef: unifdef -DNOUUCP Simple enough to blow away a > directory or modify the files, but it would be cleaner if the knobs would > be able to modify mtree's behavior. Agreed... and rather then add yet another feature to mtree use the small but eligant tools already provided. -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 9: 6: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659B037C4D6 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:05:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA59051; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:05:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA24691; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:05:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007131605.KAA24691@harmony.village.org> To: "Brandon D. Valentine" Subject: Re: src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC MFC for 4.1? Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:41:32 EDT." References: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:05:33 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message "Brandon D. Valentine" writes: : The version of GENERIC being used to generate kernels for RELENG_4 is : still missing support for the xe driver under PCCARD. This driver has : been verified working under PCCARD by myself and others following : several MFCs done by Warner Losh which brought working code down from : CURRENT. It is currently possible to use xe under 4.0-STABLE but not : possible to install from an xe card. I would very much like to see : support for xe added to GENERIC before 4.1 so that it can be installed : via xe. Hmmm.... I'll go add it right now, lest I forget. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 9: 8:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22DD237B56D; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:08:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA59070; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:08:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA24730; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:08:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007131608.KAA24730@harmony.village.org> To: "Shawn Barnhart" Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels Cc: "Kris Kennaway" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:53:56 CDT." <000e01bfecc9$67ec3c20$0102a8c0@k6> References: <000e01bfecc9$67ec3c20$0102a8c0@k6> <00b801bfeb66$94ab2960$9b239fc0@mobocracy> <200007130506.XAA21015@harmony.village.org> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:08:24 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <000e01bfecc9$67ec3c20$0102a8c0@k6> "Shawn Barnhart" writes: : I can appreciate that, but what often frustrates me about FreeBSD (and : maybe I'm still too used to the Linux world) is that the documentation : seems to lag. Maybe after another six months of use it won't matter to : me and I'll understand why its not a priority, but major stuff like the : kernel build changes ought to be a documentation update priority to : prevent the throngs from posting 10,000 messages asking "Why doesn't my : kernel/world build right?" But it has been documented in UPDATING for a long time. Months and months. It is likely a good idea to move some of the changes into the handbook. : Is UPDATING the primary source for late-breaking changes? Can I count : on that to keep me informed of changes? I try to keep up with the : mailing list but its not always possible for me to do so. Yes. Usually, but sometimes there's a lag of a few days while the world figures out that I need to update UPDATING. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 9: 9: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from denverweb.net (xenu.denverweb.net [199.45.153.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2EE37B73D for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:08:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bminazzi@denverweb.net) Received: from denverweb.net (rc-pm3-4-32.enetis.net [206.31.207.191]) by denverweb.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA29075; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:14:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <396DDD0C.E566DE36@denverweb.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:15:24 +0000 From: "B. K. Minazzi" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob K , FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: OT: Subscription info for mailing lists References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bob K wrote: > > Given the number of incorrect subscription requests I see on -stable, > perhaps the subscription information on the webpages/docs/welcome message > could include a link which would look like this: > > mailto:majordomo@freebsd.org?body=subscribe%20freebsd-stable > > which would hopefully cut down on it? This could also be modified for the > other lists, as I'm sure they suffer from the same problem. Dont overlook the link to the freebsd-stable list, right there on the page where it tells you how to subscribe... If your reading/skimming, and click there, you dont see the send mail to majordomo stuff.... I will lay odds that is what causes 90% of these messages. I know I made the same mistake... and then a few seconds later realized it. CLICK HERE! ( really somewhere else ) The link to -Stable in the "How to subscribe" is either Gary Larson "Midvale School for the Gifted" humor or a big Brain Fart. Blaine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 9:11:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAAED37C481 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:10:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bandix@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27433; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:10:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:10:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: Warner Losh Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Subject: Re: src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC MFC for 4.1? In-Reply-To: <200007131605.KAA24691@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Warner Losh wrote: >Hmmm.... I'll go add it right now, lest I forget. Thanks, Warner, You've been a real sport about putting up with me and my xe card. =) Brandon D. Valentine -- bandix at looksharp.net | bandix at structbio.vanderbilt.edu "Truth suffers from too much analysis." -- Ancient Fremen Saying To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 9:26:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from medianstrip.net (medianstrip.net [206.113.38.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344E037C4C9 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:26:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msr@elision.org) Received: by medianstrip.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2646658E6; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:26:35 -0400 From: mike ryan To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vmware2 and xfree86-4.0.1 Message-ID: <20000713122635.A67937@medianstrip.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <200007131544.LAA21770@tangerine.uucom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200007131544.LAA21770@tangerine.uucom.com>; from mwhalen@uucom.com on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 11:44:17AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 11:44:17AM -0400, Matthew Whalen wrote: > > I have a new machine that I'm trying to configure. It's very similar > to my regular home machine (PIII 700 vs K7 700). They both run > 4.0-stable (home was build last about 1 month ago, new machine yesterday). > I have xf86 4 on this new machine, and 3 at home. > > My vmware on the new machine dies cathing with a SIGSEGV and "Abort trap" > being printed to the screen. I know that vmware doesn't officially support > XF86 4, but this doesn't really sound a lot like an Xserver problem > to me. There isn't much in the vmware log to note. Has anyone tried > vmware2 with XF86 4 yet? If so, did you get the same result? Is there > something else going on? i've had the same result. i'm also running 4.0-stable built within the last few days and xfree86 4.0.1, on a sony vaio z505hs laptop. on my system at least, there appears to be a correlation with disk modes -- virtual machines configured with raw disks abort on boot, virtual machines with virtual disks work fine. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 9:33:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3560037C4B2 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:33:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from larse@ISI.EDU) Received: from [128.9.176.137] (ras37.isi.edu [128.9.176.137]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22736 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:33:18 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:33:18 -0700 Subject: Re: vmware2 and xfree86-4.0.1 From: Lars Eggert To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000713122635.A67937@medianstrip.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 11:44:17AM -0400, Matthew Whalen wrote: >> >> I have a new machine that I'm trying to configure. It's very similar >> to my regular home machine (PIII 700 vs K7 700). They both run >> 4.0-stable (home was build last about 1 month ago, new machine yesterday). >> I have xf86 4 on this new machine, and 3 at home. >> >> My vmware on the new machine dies cathing with a SIGSEGV and "Abort trap" >> being printed to the screen. I know that vmware doesn't officially support >> XF86 4, but this doesn't really sound a lot like an Xserver problem >> to me. There isn't much in the vmware log to note. Has anyone tried >> vmware2 with XF86 4 yet? If so, did you get the same result? Is there >> something else going on? > > i've had the same result. i'm also running 4.0-stable built within > the last few days and xfree86 4.0.1, on a sony vaio z505hs laptop. > > on my system at least, there appears to be a correlation with disk > modes -- virtual machines configured with raw disks abort on boot, > virtual machines with virtual disks work fine. I can second problems with raw disks, also with XFree86-4.0.1 & FreeBSD-4.0-STABLE. (Haven't tried virtual disks under XFree86-4.0.1 yet, but they used to worked under XFree86-4.0.) Lars PS: I've never used VMware in its native environments (Linux/NT) - is there a performance impact in running it under FreeBSD's Linux emulation? -- Lars Eggert Information Sciences Institute http://www.isi.edu/~larse/ University of Southern California To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 10: 4:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7E737C53E; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:04:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04284; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:03:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03989; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:03:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:03:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007131703.LAA03989@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Greg Lehey Cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" , Vivek Khera , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: <20000713092049.C3907@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> <20000711103710.B21954@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396ADB61.5736BF19@newsguy.com> <20000711182903.K23115@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396C57FD.F73C1942@newsguy.com> <20000713092049.C3907@wantadilla.lemis.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Wednesday, 12 July 2000 at 20:35:25 +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > Greg Lehey wrote: > >> Yes. We could agree to change the tree to /usr/obj, but it should be > >> consistent whichever way you do it. In the process we should also use > >> obj symlinks like other BSDs use: > >> > >> === grog@wantadilla (/dev/ttyp5) ~ 1 -> cd /src/OpenBSD/src/sbin/fsck > >> === grog@wantadilla (/dev/ttyp5) /src/OpenBSD/src/sbin/fsck 2 -> l > >> total 1 > >> drwxr-xr-x 2 grog lemis 512 Apr 17 1999 CVS > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 171 Sep 22 1997 Makefile > >> -r--r--r-- 1 grog lemis 421 Apr 18 1999 TRANS.TBL > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 3616 Mar 25 1999 fsck.8 > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 10548 Feb 28 1997 fsck.c > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 6034 Sep 9 1997 fsutil.c > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 2714 Oct 20 1996 fsutil.h > >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 May 28 20:20 obj -> /usr/obj/sbin/fsck > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 1857 Oct 20 1996 pathnames.h > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 8734 Mar 25 1999 preen.c > > > > Oh, I *like* that! But it prevents one from using RO /usr/src. > > Not at all. It's an absolute symlink outside /usr/src. Yes it is, because the symlink itself lives in /usr/src, so in order to create the link, /usr/src must initially be RW. The symlink is created 'during' builds, so you can't make it RO until after the 'make obj' step is done. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 10:22:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58BD037B8AA; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:21:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel3.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE8A13EC; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (p1000180.nsr.hp.com [15.109.0.180]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id KAA08149; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396DFA9E.4BD3D27F@cup.hp.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:21:34 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" , Vivek Khera , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels References: <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> <20000711103710.B21954@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396ADB61.5736BF19@newsguy.com> <20000711182903.K23115@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396C57FD.F73C1942@newsguy.com> <20000713092049.C3907@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > > On Wednesday, 12 July 2000 at 20:35:25 +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > Greg Lehey wrote: > >> Yes. We could agree to change the tree to /usr/obj, but it should be > >> consistent whichever way you do it. In the process we should also use > >> obj symlinks like other BSDs use: > >> > >> === grog@wantadilla (/dev/ttyp5) ~ 1 -> cd /src/OpenBSD/src/sbin/fsck > >> === grog@wantadilla (/dev/ttyp5) /src/OpenBSD/src/sbin/fsck 2 -> l > >> total 1 > >> drwxr-xr-x 2 grog lemis 512 Apr 17 1999 CVS > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 171 Sep 22 1997 Makefile > >> -r--r--r-- 1 grog lemis 421 Apr 18 1999 TRANS.TBL > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 3616 Mar 25 1999 fsck.8 > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 10548 Feb 28 1997 fsck.c > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 6034 Sep 9 1997 fsutil.c > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 2714 Oct 20 1996 fsutil.h > >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 May 28 20:20 obj -> /usr/obj/sbin/fsck > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 1857 Oct 20 1996 pathnames.h > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 8734 Mar 25 1999 preen.c > > > > Oh, I *like* that! But it prevents one from using RO /usr/src. > > Not at all. It's an absolute symlink outside /usr/src. Without an architecture prefix/postfix/directory somewhere in the path, this prevents concurrent cross-builds. -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 10:41: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6CA37B9B9; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:40:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bandix@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28272; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:35:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:35:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: Greg Lehey , "Daniel C. Sobral" , Vivek Khera , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels In-Reply-To: <396DFA9E.4BD3D27F@cup.hp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: >Without an architecture prefix/postfix/directory somewhere in the path, >this prevents concurrent cross-builds. It would be v.nice to have a src/sys/arch directory structure similiar to NetBSD's since we actually have more than one architecture to consider now. We'd already have: src/sys/arch/i386 src/sys/arch/pc98 src/sys/arch/alpha and work is under way to give us: src/sys/arch/sparc src/sys/arch/ppc If we're going to be restructuring src/sys anyway per the discussion occuring on -current as of late, it might be product to make this change as well and move our MD code into those directories. Brandon D. Valentine -- bandix at looksharp.net | bandix at structbio.vanderbilt.edu "Truth suffers from too much analysis." -- Ancient Fremen Saying To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 10:53:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427B237B7CC for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:53:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6109226B; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (p1000180.nsr.hp.com [15.109.0.180]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id KAA09699; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396E020E.D959D41E@cup.hp.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:53:18 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Klemm Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how to update from FreeBSD 2.2.8 to RELENG_4 References: <20000713091845.A2997@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andreas Klemm wrote: > > Hi ! > > I have an old FreeBSD 2.2.8 installation at a customers site. > Does somebody have any experience in upgrading such a machine to 4.0 ? No, but I did plan on adding support for upgrading from 2.2.x to 4.0. The way we buildworld now should automaticly help you over the aout-elf hurdle. It should be just a matter of adding the appropriate tools to the bootstrap-tools target. If you have the time, I hope you are willing to spend some time and effort to work on getting a 1-step upgrade working (or at least the buildworld part). Since I don't have a 2.2.8 machine, I can only do as much as support you... -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 11: 6:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from thehousleys.net (frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.224.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4408437BF6C for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:06:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Received: from thehousleys.net (baby.int.thehousleys.net. [192.168.0.24]) by thehousleys.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA89430; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:02:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Message-ID: <396E0436.27BB1A22@thehousleys.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:02:30 -0400 From: James Housley Organization: The Housleys dot Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: Andreas Klemm , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how to update from FreeBSD 2.2.8 to RELENG_4 References: <20000713091845.A2997@titan.klemm.gtn.com> <396E020E.D959D41E@cup.hp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > No, but I did plan on adding support for upgrading from 2.2.x to 4.0. > The way we buildworld now should automaticly help you over the aout-elf > hurdle. It should be just a matter of adding the appropriate tools to > the bootstrap-tools target. > > If you have the time, I hope you are willing to spend some time and > effort to work on getting a 1-step upgrade working (or at least the > buildworld part). Since I don't have a 2.2.8 machine, I can only do as > much as support you... > Next Friday (July 21) have to do just that. Upgrade a 2.2.8-STABLE machine to 4.0-STABLE. If the tools are in place I will test them. If it fails I will do a binary install of 4.0 and then upgrade. Jim -- "...there's no idea that's so good you can't ruin it with a few well-placed idiots." -- Charles Spickman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 11:23:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [192.109.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D13BF37C548 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:23:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by picalon.gun.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18404; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:15:42 +0200 (MET DST) >Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05562; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:15:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:15:27 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how to update from FreeBSD 2.2.8 to RELENG_4 Message-ID: <20000713201527.A5520@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: <20000713091845.A2997@titan.klemm.gtn.com> <396E020E.D959D41E@cup.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <396E020E.D959D41E@cup.hp.com>; from marcel@cup.hp.com on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 10:53:18AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just notice, that I only have a 2.2.7 installation CD here, could we choose that ? Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm http://people.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html powered by Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD New APSFILTER 542 and songs from our band - http://people.freebsd.org/~andreas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 11:27:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [192.109.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2571737C4FE for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:27:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by picalon.gun.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18399; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:15:41 +0200 (MET DST) >Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05493; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:11:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:11:00 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how to update from FreeBSD 2.2.8 to RELENG_4 Message-ID: <20000713201100.A5192@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: <20000713091845.A2997@titan.klemm.gtn.com> <396E020E.D959D41E@cup.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <396E020E.D959D41E@cup.hp.com>; from marcel@cup.hp.com on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 10:53:18AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 10:53:18AM -0700, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > If you have the time, I hope you are willing to spend some time and > effort to work on getting a 1-step upgrade working (or at least the > buildworld part). Since I don't have a 2.2.8 machine, I can only do as > much as support you... Let's see if I get a haddisk to play with. What procedure would you suggest ? Simply try such an update and see where it hangs ??? -- Andreas Klemm http://people.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html powered by Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD New APSFILTER 542 and songs from our band - http://people.freebsd.org/~andreas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 11:48:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1224A37B900 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:48:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from foo.osd.bsdi.com (root@foo.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.137]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA80204; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:48:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by foo.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA63449; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:47:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200007130201.WAA00739@waldron.house> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Organization: BSD, Inc. From: John Baldwin To: Isaac Waldron Subject: RE: Minor patch for /usr/src/sys/isa/pnpparse.c Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 13-Jul-00 Isaac Waldron wrote: > My Soundblaster AWE64 causes two warnings to be emitted at boot time. The > first has to do with the device wanting too many different resources, and the > message printed is "too many dependant configs." I fixed this simply by > increasing the value of MAXDEP in pnpparse.c from 8 to 16. The other warning > I get is due to the PnP code receiving a vendor tag from the device. This > was > easy to fix as well, I simply added a case statement to the existing switch > in > pnpparse.c to handle the predefined PNP_TAG_VENDOR. I defined it as a no-op, > this way, the original behavior is held consistent. I'm not sure if these > are > truly correct fixes, but they have not caused any trouble on my machine. > Output from `uname -a` and the patch are included below. Looks ok to me. I'll stick them in -current once I've tested them a bit, then they can be MFC'd once they've been tested more widely. > Isaac Waldron > waldroni@lr.net -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 11:50:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F319837C375 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:50:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from foo.osd.bsdi.com (root@foo.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.137]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA80283; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:50:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by foo.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA63508; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:49:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Organization: BSD, Inc. From: John Baldwin To: Oliver Helmling Subject: RE: various questions about make targets Cc: FreeBSD-stable Mailingliste Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 13-Jul-00 Oliver Helmling wrote: > hi all! > > i'm a little bit confused about the various make targets. so could you > explain to me the differences of the following targets: I'm not quite sure I understand your question. Are you asking why certain make targets use external programs and/or other make targets to do part of their work? > ports: > > make deinstall -> pkg_delete > make reinstall -> make install > > building the world: > after a "make installworld" on the buildworld-server, on the > client: > make installworld -> make reinstall > > i got this from "/usr/src/Makefile.inc1". > > thanks in advance. > > -- > > Viele Grüße > Oliver Helmling -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 12: 4:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6AE37C073 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:04:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel3.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9BBBB63; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (p1000180.nsr.hp.com [15.109.0.180]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id MAA13138; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396E12A9.9767CC6F@cup.hp.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:04:09 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Klemm Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how to update from FreeBSD 2.2.8 to RELENG_4 References: <20000713091845.A2997@titan.klemm.gtn.com> <396E020E.D959D41E@cup.hp.com> <20000713201100.A5192@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andreas Klemm wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 10:53:18AM -0700, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > If you have the time, I hope you are willing to spend some time and > > effort to work on getting a 1-step upgrade working (or at least the > > buildworld part). Since I don't have a 2.2.8 machine, I can only do as > > much as support you... > > Let's see if I get a haddisk to play with. > What procedure would you suggest ? > Simply try such an update and see where it hangs ??? basicly, it's what I described in another mail that didn't go to -stable: checkout -stable sources on a 2.2.x machine (with x >= 5 for now [to reply your other mail at the same time]) and do a buildworld. It will probably fail early. When you see a failure, identify it. If we have a fix, restart the build and watch it fail or complete. It might be a time-consuming task... If my backlog has been reduced, I'll probably try it under vmware myself. -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 12:13:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (tmp1.BSDI.COM [207.174.118.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F0037BFA2; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:13:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11587; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:26:54 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:26:54 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Shawn Barnhart Cc: Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels Message-ID: <20000713012654.A11540@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <00b801bfeb66$94ab2960$9b239fc0@mobocracy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <00b801bfeb66$94ab2960$9b239fc0@mobocracy>; from swb@grasslake.net on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 01:33:58PM -0500 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 01:33:58PM -0500, Shawn Barnhart wrote: > I guess I don't care which tools I use, so long as they do the right > thing, and, most importantly THAT THE METHODS ARE TOTALLY DOCUMENTED > WITH ALL THE QUIRKS IN THE FSCK'N HANDBOOK AND NOT JUST IN THE MAILING > LIST ARCHIVE! > > One thing that frustrates me about FBSD is the "docrot" of the handbook. > When I was getting started with FBSD I seemed to stumble across many > things that, while not exactly incorrect, were nevertheless incomplete > or outmoded by newer/better/smarter ways of doing things. # cd /usr/gnats/docs # grep -i barnhart * # S'funny, this seems to be the first time you've told any of us. Next time, please use send-pr(1) with the category set to "docs". It would be appreciated if you could suggest alternative or replacement text in your PR. Do this often enough and you get asked to become a committer. Thanks. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 12:16:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3B537C08C; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:16:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mail.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.247]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA67669; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:16:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Message-ID: <396E14F8.EEF0E5BD@owp.csus.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:14:00 -0700 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Reilly Cc: Sean Lutner , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, cg@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bad sound output, AudioPCI ES1371, 4.0-STABLE References: <396C8666.8CFE6602@owp.csus.edu> <20000713074720.A32645@gurney.reilly.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andrew Reilly wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 07:53:27AM -0700, Joseph Scott wrote: > > > > Sean Lutner wrote: > > > > > > I have the exact same card you do. > > > > > > (9) sean@pulse: ~ $ cat /dev/sndstat > > > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jun 29 2000 01:10:19 > > > Installed devices: > > > pcm0: at io 0x1080 irq 5 (1p/1r channels duplex) > > > (10) sean@pulse: ~ $ dmesg | grep pcm > > > pcm0: port 0x1080-0x10bf irq 5 at device 15.0 on pci0 > > > (11) sean@pulse: ~ $ > > > > > > I also have device pcm in my kernel, and I've not have one glitch in my > > > sound performance. I switch from X to console, I switch back, I switch > > > desktops, I run lots of memory intensive programs (mozilla, Star Office > > > 5.2, netscape, etc), and I've seen no performance hits. > > > > > > Any other comparisons you'd like to make, I'd be willing to do, compare > > > configs, specs on machines etc... > > > > Hummmmm. I'd be very happy to find that I've managed to do something > > else (besides simply keeping up with -STABLE) that caused this. I > > wonder if this could be caused by IRQ conflicts. Do you have anything > > else that shows up with IRQ 5? I believe on mine USB was also listed > > as using IRQ 5. > > IRQ 5 seems to be an odd one to have attached to a PCI slot. My > SB128 (AudioPCI ES1371) seems to be working nicely, but it's on > IRQ 10 and io range 0xdc00... (and nothing else is on IRQ 10) > > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Jul 10 2000 09:29:43 > Installed devices: > pcm0: at io 0xdc00 irq 10 (1p/1r channels duplex) I thought it was kind of funny also. However, I did some backtracking through the list archives : http://x69.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=567867152&CONTEXT=963515485.1286340687&hitnum=22 So back on the 3rd of Jan this card worked, with the same settings (irq, etc). > > I also wonder if there's any settings in the BIOS that might have > > changed to cause this to freak out. > > Most bioses have some sort of tweaks that apply to PCI > interrupts. So far I've had no luck. I've forced the card to get other irqs, all with the same exact result. -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 12:17:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A4F37C559 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:17:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mail.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.247]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA67676; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:17:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Message-ID: <396E152D.709B01D0@owp.csus.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:14:53 -0700 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Lutner Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bad sound output, AudioPCI ES1371, 4.0-STABLE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sean Lutner wrote: > > I will have to do some digging around. I know I have USB on this machine, > but it is not currently in use. Is yours? As far as the BIOS setting go, > I'll be cvsup'ing sometime soon, and I'll see what I can see. I'm not actually using the usb ports, but the support is in the kernel for them. -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 12:20: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1636937C557 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:19:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mail.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.247]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA67691; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:19:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Message-ID: <396E15BB.9A482B3C@owp.csus.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:17:15 -0700 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bad sound output, AudioPCI ES1371, 4.0-STABLE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > On 12-Jul-00 Joseph Scott wrote: > > I'm starting to suspect that somewhere I've managed to do something > > to cause this, other than just tracking -STABLE. Unfortuntely I'm > > having a hard time coming up with something that I've done that would > > affect sound. > > I found a way to get horrible sound out of mine :). > > I added a couple of lines to my XF86Config (trying to get rid of the > lines that appear when sound plays), pci_burst_on and fifo_moderate were the > settings I tried. It seems the PCI sound can be sensitive to the (probably bad) > behaviour of other things on the bus, pulling 15 MB/s out of the UDMA/66 > doesn't bother it at all but the built in AGP video can on my box it seems. I don't think the problem I'm having has anything to do with video/X, I'm not running X on this machine at all. The most I'm doing is logging in via ssh and running xmms remotely to play mp3s. At this point though, I wouldn't rule out anything, and I'll do what ever it takes to make this thing work again. I really want my sound back! :-) -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 12:29:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from accord.grasslake.net (accord.grasslake.net [206.11.249.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F3737BFA2; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:29:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swb@grasslake.net) Received: from marlowe (Marlowe.campbell-mithun.com [192.159.32.184]) by accord.grasslake.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10822; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:30:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from swb@grasslake.net) Message-ID: <027a01bfed00$c851cc10$b8209fc0@campbellmithun.com> From: "Shawn Barnhart" To: "Nik Clayton" Cc: "Kris Kennaway" , References: <00b801bfeb66$94ab2960$9b239fc0@mobocracy> <20000713012654.A11540@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:30:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nik Clayton" | # cd /usr/gnats/docs | # grep -i barnhart * | # | | S'funny, this seems to be the first time you've told any of us. Next | time, please use send-pr(1) with the category set to "docs". It would be | appreciated if you could suggest alternative or replacement text in your | PR. | | Do this often enough and you get asked to become a committer. I guess it's not a question of finding glaring errors that seemed worthy of send-pr, but things I found misleading, confusing or outdated by "newer and better" procedures like make buildkernel. From now on when I notice these things, I will send-pr them. I'm not a C whiz so I can't contribute in that fashion, but I'd be more than willing to contribute to documentation. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 12:41:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tesla.salk.edu (tesla.salk.edu [198.202.70.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F130837B606 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:41:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jorge@salk.edu) Received: from merckx.salk.edu (merckx.salk.edu [198.202.70.90]) by tesla.salk.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25750; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:40:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jorge Aldana To: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga Cc: Pavel Alexey , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: help In-Reply-To: <14701.23943.669365.861877@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Maybe he's fallen and can't get up? Jorge On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga wrote: > > ??? > > on Thursday, 13 Jul 2000 09:01:15, Pavel Alexey wrote: > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > -- > Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br > http://www.iqm.unicamp.br > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 12:52:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B100937C659; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:52:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA60087; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:52:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA26585; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:52:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007131952.NAA26585@harmony.village.org> To: Marcel Moolenaar Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Cc: Greg Lehey , "Daniel C. Sobral" , Vivek Khera , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:21:34 PDT." <396DFA9E.4BD3D27F@cup.hp.com> References: <396DFA9E.4BD3D27F@cup.hp.com> <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> <20000711103710.B21954@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396ADB61.5736BF19@newsguy.com> <20000711182903.K23115@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396C57FD.F73C1942@newsguy.com> <20000713092049.C3907@wantadilla.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:52:10 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <396DFA9E.4BD3D27F@cup.hp.com> Marcel Moolenaar writes: : Greg Lehey wrote: : > : > On Wednesday, 12 July 2000 at 20:35:25 +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: : > > Greg Lehey wrote: : > >> Yes. We could agree to change the tree to /usr/obj, but it should be : > >> consistent whichever way you do it. In the process we should also use : > >> obj symlinks like other BSDs use: : > >> : > >> === grog@wantadilla (/dev/ttyp5) ~ 1 -> cd /src/OpenBSD/src/sbin/fsck : > >> === grog@wantadilla (/dev/ttyp5) /src/OpenBSD/src/sbin/fsck 2 -> l : > >> total 1 : > >> drwxr-xr-x 2 grog lemis 512 Apr 17 1999 CVS : > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 171 Sep 22 1997 Makefile : > >> -r--r--r-- 1 grog lemis 421 Apr 18 1999 TRANS.TBL : > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 3616 Mar 25 1999 fsck.8 : > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 10548 Feb 28 1997 fsck.c : > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 6034 Sep 9 1997 fsutil.c : > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 2714 Oct 20 1996 fsutil.h : > >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 May 28 20:20 obj -> /usr/obj/sbin/fsck : > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 1857 Oct 20 1996 pathnames.h : > >> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 8734 Mar 25 1999 preen.c : > > : > > Oh, I *like* that! But it prevents one from using RO /usr/src. : > : > Not at all. It's an absolute symlink outside /usr/src. : : Without an architecture prefix/postfix/directory somewhere in the path, : this prevents concurrent cross-builds. Yes. We used to do the obj symbolic link a long time ago. It was a really bad idea and caused us all kinds of grief. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 12:54:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E24237C502; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:54:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA60097; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:54:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA26606; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:53:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007131953.NAA26606@harmony.village.org> To: "Brandon D. Valentine" Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , Greg Lehey , "Daniel C. Sobral" , Vivek Khera , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:35:58 EDT." References: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:53:54 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message "Brandon D. Valentine" writes: : On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: : : >Without an architecture prefix/postfix/directory somewhere in the path, : >this prevents concurrent cross-builds. : It would be v.nice to have a src/sys/arch directory structure similiar : to NetBSD's since we actually have more than one architecture to : consider now. We'd already have: : src/sys/arch/i386 : src/sys/arch/pc98 : src/sys/arch/alpha : and work is under way to give us: : src/sys/arch/sparc : src/sys/arch/ppc : : If we're going to be restructuring src/sys anyway per the discussion : occuring on -current as of late, it might be product to make this change : as well and move our MD code into those directories. Don't forget arch/ia-32 and arch/ia-64. Then there's the arch/mips that I've done but which is so incomplete and bitrotted as to not be too useful to people. I think this is going to be a tough sell. People view it as an unecessary extra level of indirection. However, when I've worked with NetBSD I've not found it to be a burdon at all. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 13:35:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4FB537C46A; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:35:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13CpU2-0002gw-00; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:21:23 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13CpU2-00036V-00; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:21:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:21:22 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Shawn Barnhart Cc: Nik Clayton , Kris Kennaway , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels Message-ID: <20000713212122.L48641@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <00b801bfeb66$94ab2960$9b239fc0@mobocracy> <20000713012654.A11540@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <027a01bfed00$c851cc10$b8209fc0@campbellmithun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+2GlJm56SCtLHYlr" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <027a01bfed00$c851cc10$b8209fc0@campbellmithun.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --+2GlJm56SCtLHYlr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Shawn Barnhart wrote: > I guess it's not a question of finding glaring errors that seemed worthy = of > send-pr, but things I found misleading, confusing or outdated by "newer a= nd > better" procedures like make buildkernel. I got my commit bit by sending PRs which were as simple as typos sometimes. Go figure. :-) If you find _any_ documentation problem, it needs fixing. The first PR I committed was just a typo, too. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --+2GlJm56SCtLHYlr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: 9wK7+3J5RniohBy/ndCNkj88dbMyL7Lm iQCVAwUBOW4kwisPVtiZOS99AQG/VQP/VV7IINCiQ1GzyGIWMkOl+RuaeP7UOY22 KkyEqLJwZno+/0iLDNOIu0D1wAR4P6G7Gr2YRSKl+rrW/Wp4tagGBRMMcBpCPwzE 1fsQ1DLUCv+Siuqkk7WG29Ft8Ndi/9llselRIPYGjxp6l+yyufHRWIJ1jrcdwQkj Z2qlstSurKA= =YkIO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+2GlJm56SCtLHYlr-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 13:59:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D950737C8A2; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:59:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09BE626; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (gauss.cup.hp.com [15.28.97.152]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id NAA17748; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396E2D97.643CDE47@cup.hp.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:59:03 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warner Losh Cc: "Brandon D. Valentine" , Greg Lehey , "Daniel C. Sobral" , Vivek Khera , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels References: <200007131953.NAA26606@harmony.village.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Warner Losh wrote: > > In message "Brandon D. Valentine" writes: > : On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > : > : >Without an architecture prefix/postfix/directory somewhere in the path, > : >this prevents concurrent cross-builds. > : It would be v.nice to have a src/sys/arch directory structure similiar > : to NetBSD's since we actually have more than one architecture to > : consider now. We'd already have: > : src/sys/arch/i386 > : src/sys/arch/pc98 > : src/sys/arch/alpha > : and work is under way to give us: > : src/sys/arch/sparc > : src/sys/arch/ppc > : > : If we're going to be restructuring src/sys anyway per the discussion > : occuring on -current as of late, it might be product to make this change > : as well and move our MD code into those directories. > > Don't forget arch/ia-32 and arch/ia-64. Then there's the arch/mips > that I've done but which is so incomplete and bitrotted as to not be > too useful to people. With 7 or 8 MD directories, an arch subdirectory is not too much to ask for. I can imagine that people wonder if and when we're going to reach that count and until then don't see the need to reorganize. With currently 3 MD directories and at least 3 coming up (including ia64), I'd say that now is probably the best time to introduce the subdirectory... My $0.02 -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 14:29: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [192.109.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C56D37C8BC for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:27:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by picalon.gun.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05110; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:15:19 +0200 (MET DST) >Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03228; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:04:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:04:10 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how to update from FreeBSD 2.2.8 to RELENG_4 Message-ID: <20000713230410.A3158@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: <20000713091845.A2997@titan.klemm.gtn.com> <396E020E.D959D41E@cup.hp.com> <20000713201100.A5192@titan.klemm.gtn.com> <396E12A9.9767CC6F@cup.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <396E12A9.9767CC6F@cup.hp.com>; from marcel@cup.hp.com on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 12:04:09PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 12:04:09PM -0700, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > reply your other mail at the same time]) and do a buildworld. It will > probably fail early. When you see a failure, identify it. If we have a > fix, restart the build and watch it fail or complete. It might be a > time-consuming task... First experiences with FreeBSD 2.2.7 RELEASE and -current sources of today: 1. USA_RESIDENT has to be set to YES or NO 2. when building the >>> stage 1: bootstrap tools the compilation stops very early in gperf ... do you have an idea what might needed here ? --- new.o --- c++ -I/usr/obj/i386/usr/src/ibm-pc/usr/include/g++ -O -pipe -I/usr/obj/i386/usr/src/ibm-pc/usr/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/lib -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/new.cc /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/new.cc:80: warning: `catch', `throw', and `try' are all C++ reserved words /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/new.cc: In function `void operator delete(void *)': /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/new.cc:82: declaration of `operator delete(void *)' throws different exceptions... :82: ...from previous declaration here *** Error code 1 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error -- Andreas Klemm http://people.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html powered by Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD New APSFILTER 542 and songs from our band - http://people.freebsd.org/~andreas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 14:42:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ABEB37BF67 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:42:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66976F5; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (gauss.cup.hp.com [15.28.97.152]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id OAA19698; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396E37C7.2720BB80@cup.hp.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:42:31 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Klemm Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how to update from FreeBSD 2.2.8 to RELENG_4 References: <20000713091845.A2997@titan.klemm.gtn.com> <396E020E.D959D41E@cup.hp.com> <20000713201100.A5192@titan.klemm.gtn.com> <396E12A9.9767CC6F@cup.hp.com> <20000713230410.A3158@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andreas Klemm wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 12:04:09PM -0700, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > reply your other mail at the same time]) and do a buildworld. It will > > probably fail early. When you see a failure, identify it. If we have a > > fix, restart the build and watch it fail or complete. It might be a > > time-consuming task... > > First experiences with FreeBSD 2.2.7 RELEASE and -current sources of today: > > 1. USA_RESIDENT has to be set to YES or NO > 2. when building the > >>> stage 1: bootstrap tools > the compilation stops very early in gperf ... > do you have an idea what might needed here ? > > --- new.o --- > c++ -I/usr/obj/i386/usr/src/ibm-pc/usr/include/g++ -O -pipe -I/usr/obj/i386/usr/src/ibm-pc/usr/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/lib -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/new.cc > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/new.cc:80: warning: `catch', `throw', and `try' are all C++ reserved words > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/new.cc: In function `void operator delete(void *)': > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/new.cc:82: declaration of `operator delete(void *)' throws different exceptions... > :82: ...from previous declaration here > *** Error code 1 This looks like a compiler problem. IIRC, the GNU C++ we had for a long time was not that good for C++ (bootstrap-tools are build with the compiler installed on the system). I looks like C++ programs will be a problem. I didn't know we had any C++ sources in the bootstrap phase. Can someone enlighten me why we have gperf in the bootstrap-tools phase? The solution here is to either remove gperf from the bootstrap-tools phase, but I assume it's there for a reason, so that probably won't be possible or, otherwise, we need to add gcc itself to the bootstrap-tools phase, hoping of course that gcc will compile (gcc has some dependencies, which means that we have to add other tools as well). The latter implies that we're building gcc 3 times during a buildworld: bootstrap-tools (for compatibility reasons), cross-tools (for cross-building) and for the normal target build. For non cross-builds we can probably optimize this... -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 14:47:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from procyon.meridian-enviro.com (thunder.meridian-enviro.com [207.109.234.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE3437C5A3 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:47:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rand@meridian-enviro.com) Received: from deneb.meridian-enviro.com (deneb.meridian-enviro.com [10.10.10.32]) by procyon.meridian-enviro.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA13246 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:47:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from rand@localhost) by deneb.meridian-enviro.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id QAA30845; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:47:19 -0500 (CDT) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can we put softupdates in GENERIC install kernel? References: <200007120125.LAA12321@lightning.itga.com.au> <20000711213354.R4034@jade.chc-chimes.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: rand@meridian-enviro.com (Douglas K. Rand) Date: 13 Jul 2000 16:47:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: Bill Fumerola's message of "Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:33:54 -0400" Message-ID: <87ya354s9l.fsf@deneb.meridian-enviro.com> Lines: 14 User-Agent: Gnus/5.07008 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.80) XEmacs/21.1 (20 Minutes to Nikko) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bill> Installs (or at least the ports tree) are done mounted async, so Bill> any performance gain from softupdates is already obtained by Bill> mounting async. A few weeks ago I did a FreeBSD install using another FreeBSD file system as the distribution source. Everything worked fine. While it was installing, I noticed that the file system mounted to get the distribution from was mounted async, as all the other file systems were. I can understand why the destination file systems are done async. But it seemed alittle dangerous to mount an *existing* FreeBSD file system used for the distibiution source as async. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 16:10:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AEF237B654; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:10:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA98175; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:10:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:10:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: "Brandon D. Valentine" Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , Greg Lehey , "Daniel C. Sobral" , Vivek Khera , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Off-topic (Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Guys, this is now at least two steps removed from being on-topic for -stable. Please take your discussions elsewhere if you wish to pursue them (on the other hand, perhaps a few dozen more messages with the same subject might get the original message through some people's heads :-) Kris On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Brandon D. Valentine wrote: > On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > >Without an architecture prefix/postfix/directory somewhere in the path, > >this prevents concurrent cross-builds. > > It would be v.nice to have a src/sys/arch directory structure similiar > to NetBSD's since we actually have more than one architecture to > consider now. We'd already have: > src/sys/arch/i386 > src/sys/arch/pc98 > src/sys/arch/alpha > and work is under way to give us: > src/sys/arch/sparc > src/sys/arch/ppc > > If we're going to be restructuring src/sys anyway per the discussion > occuring on -current as of late, it might be product to make this change > as well and move our MD code into those directories. > > Brandon D. Valentine > -- > bandix at looksharp.net | bandix at structbio.vanderbilt.edu > "Truth suffers from too much analysis." -- Ancient Fremen Saying > > -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 16:11: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E6237C047 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:10:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA65219; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:09:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:09:53 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: "Brandon D. Valentine" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Message-ID: <20000713160953.B65154@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <396DFA9E.4BD3D27F@cup.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from bandix@looksharp.net on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 01:35:58PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 01:35:58PM -0400, Brandon D. Valentine wrote: > It would be v.nice to have a src/sys/arch directory structure similiar > to NetBSD's since we actually have more than one architecture to > consider now. We'd already have: > src/sys/arch/i386 > src/sys/arch/pc98 > src/sys/arch/alpha > and work is under way to give us: > src/sys/arch/sparc > src/sys/arch/ppc I disagree. I don't see what it buys us other than contributing to my RSI. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 16:20: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A576E37B6B0 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:19:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mail.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.247]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA70433; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:19:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Message-ID: <396E4E03.EF4C6CE9@owp.csus.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:17:23 -0700 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Whalen Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: vmware2 and xfree86-4.0.1 References: <200007131544.LAA21770@tangerine.uucom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Whalen wrote: > > I have a new machine that I'm trying to configure. It's very similar > to my regular home machine (PIII 700 vs K7 700). They both run > 4.0-stable (home was build last about 1 month ago, new machine yesterday). > I have xf86 4 on this new machine, and 3 at home. > > My vmware on the new machine dies cathing with a SIGSEGV and "Abort trap" > being printed to the screen. I know that vmware doesn't officially support > XF86 4, but this doesn't really sound a lot like an Xserver problem > to me. There isn't much in the vmware log to note. Has anyone tried > vmware2 with XF86 4 yet? If so, did you get the same result? Is there > something else going on? > > thank you for any pointers The only way that I've been able to run vmware2 since upgrading to xfree86-4.0.1 is to run it as root. The biggest problem I'm having is that DGA isn't supported on my ATI video card. So it runs, only as root, with out DGA, so not as fast as it could. -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 16:26:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [130.155.191.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995C037B602 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:26:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marka@nominum.com) Received: from nominum.com (localhost.dv.isc.org [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA85328; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:25:14 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from marka@nominum.com) Message-Id: <200007132325.JAA85328@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Mike Tancsa Cc: Udo Schweigert , John Hay , stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mark.Andrews@nominum.com Subject: Re: lptcontrol - still broken In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:29:52 -0400." <4.3.2.7.0.20000713092922.04ae8300@marble.sentex.ca> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:25:14 +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What we need to look at is why this was not caught earlier and what changes in build procedures will make sure problems like this are caught by those performing the changes. I can see how this slipped through, all that was required was for the relevent .h file to already have been installed on the system. Looking at the current build procedure there doesn't appear to be any effort taken to prevent the compilers seeing the host environment of the build proceedure. The whole point of copying all the .h's to a seperate tree is to provide an alternate environment. Judicious use of -nostdinc may be what is required. Mark > At 02:32 PM 7/13/00 +0200, Udo Schweigert wrote: > > > I think this patch will fix it, but I'm still running a make release to > > > make sure. > > > >My "make world" succeeded with that patch. > > For me as well on my two build boxes... > > ---Mike > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 > Sentex Communications mike@sentex.net > Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Mark Andrews, Nominum Inc. 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark.Andrews@nominum.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 16:27:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 618) id A64F937BA28; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RX problems with Macronix ethernet cards To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:27:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000713232738.A64F937BA28@hub.freebsd.org> From: wpaul@FreeBSD.ORG (Bill Paul) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, some of you have been reporting problems with Macronix ethernet cards which, whether you realize it or not, are due to the chip not bring being programmed correctly to receive broadcast packets. Normally the chip *would* be programmed correctly, except that Macronix has come out with some new chip revs that are slightly different from the chips on the sample cards I have here. This is why I haven't been able to duplicate this problem locally. The real DEC 21143 tulip chip and *some* of its clones use a receive filter programming mechanism that involves DMAing a setup frame via the transmit DMA engine. There's more than one way to program the filter: I do it using the "one perfect entry for the station address and multicast hash table" method. Real DEC 21143 chips have a 512-bit hash table. Most clones have a 512-bit hash table. The older Macronix chips that I have use a 512-bit hash table. However, the MX98715AEC-C, D and E chips have a 128-bit table, and the MX98715BEC 3.3volt chip has only a 64-bit hash table. The reason this is important is that enabling reception of broadcast frames is done by setting the bit in the multicast hash table that corresponds to the broadcast address. With chips that have a too-small hash table, the correct bit is never set, and hence frames destined for the broadcast address -- such as ARP requests -- are never received. Joy. Bliss. Down, not across. Now. I already have some special-case code in if_dc in order to deal with this issue for the LC82C115 PNIC-II chip, which has the same problem (also only a 128-bit table). So what I need is to expand this slightly in order to handle this newer 98715 chips. *However*, Macronix. in its infinite wisdom (hah!) has decided to differentiate these chips based only on the stepping bits in the PCI revision register. Even worse, the datasheets on their site do not specify the stepping values, so I have no idea what they are. This means that in order for me to fix this problem, I will need all of you -- yes *you* -- who have Macronix 98715 cards that don't work correctly to perform the following steps: - Step 1: Make a note of the actual vendor/model number of this card. Look at the box/manual/windoze driver diskette/etc that came with the card; the information should be there somewhere. If it's a cheap no-name card of some kind, just say so, but if it's LinkSys, D-Link or whatever, please tell me. - Step 2: Actually *look* at the card, with your eyeballs, and make note of the part number on the controller chip. Macronix chips typically say MX or MXIC on them, and the model number will contain the string "98715" in it somewhere. Note however that I don't want you to tell me that it says 98715: I already *know* that. I want to know the whole part number, i.e. MX98715AEC or MX98715AEC-C. DO NOT just write back to me and say "uh... it's a 98715" or I will hunt you down, drain the fat from your body, make expensive soap out of it and sell it upper class department stores. - The 3rd rule of fight club... Uhm, no. Let me try that again. - Step 3: With the card(s) installed in your machine, type the following command: # pciconf -l > /tmp/pciconf.out Then send the contents of the pciconf.out file to me so I can see PCI revision codes. If you have more than one Macronix card in your system, be sure and describe which card is which, i.e. if dc0 is an MX98715AEC and dc1 is an MX98715AEC-D, be sure to state this fact clearly. Once you have all of this information collected and formatted nicely, e-mail it to me at wpaul@freebsd.org and I will generate a patch to if_dc so that I can special-case these chips correctly. In the meantime, if you can't resist the urge to fiddle a bit, try the following: - Look in /sys/pci/if_dc.c for the following code in the dc_crc_le() function: /* The hash table on the PNIC II is only 128 bits wide. */ if (DC_IS_PNICII(sc)) return (crc & ((1 << DC_BITS_PNIC_II) - 1)); - Comment out the test for the PNIC II, e.g.: /* The hash table on the PNIC II is only 128 bits wide. */ /* if (DC_IS_PNICII(sc)) */ return (crc & ((1 << DC_BITS_PNIC_II) - 1)); This will force the driver to calculate the CRC value for a 128-bit hash table. Lastly, the quicker I get this information, the better, since I would like to merge the fix into the stable branch before 4.1 goes out the door. -Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 16:30:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from unix.pciway.com (d83b4646.dsl.flashcom.net [216.59.70.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9D637B6C5 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:30:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from loren@pciway.com) Received: from localhost (loren@localhost) by unix.pciway.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01471 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:27:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from loren@pciway.com) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:27:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Loren Koss To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Still having problems with NIC alias.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Only the primary IP address will respond on the network. Why is this?? The alias IP will respond if I ping it from the box itself. But wont respond if I ping from the network its attached to or through the other nic i have in the box.. Diagram --------------| rl0 a.b.c.d (primary ip) 192.168.1.1 rl1 |----------- Internet a.b.c.e (alias ip) Internal Net Machines from the internal net can get to the internet just fine through the gateway, so I know that is set up properly. Can someone help me? This used to work.. I just cant figure it out now.. If I change my rc.conf file to make a.b.c.e the primary and a.b.c.d the alias than the reverse holds true for addresses that are accessible or not. Thanks.. Loren Koss http://www.checkthegrid.com Before you go to the movies...Check The Grid! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 16:33:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1F837B7CC for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:33:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA65289 for stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:33:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:33:13 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Failure of buildworld Message-ID: <20000713163313.C65154@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <20000712133138R.takamune@vrl.mei.co.jp> <001501bfec0d$15879400$df3a01d5@galaxy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <001501bfec0d$15879400$df3a01d5@galaxy>; from war-zone@uk2.net on Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 03:25:51PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 03:25:51PM +0100, Stone wrote: > ===> usr.sbin/lptcontrol > rm -f .depend > mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include > /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c > /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c:45: dev/ppbus/lptio.h: No such > file or directory > mkdep: compile failed > *** Error code 1 I am truely very sorry for all the trouble I caused with the lpt.h -> lptio.h change. There was no excuse for me causing RELENG_4 this much trouble. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 16:34:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pawn.primelocation.net (pawn.primelocation.net [205.161.238.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9282737B9D4 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:34:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdf.lists@fxp.org) Received: by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix, from userid 1016) id F18479B3E; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E601DBA11; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:34:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chris D. Faulhaber" X-Sender: cdf.lists@pawn.primelocation.net To: Loren Koss Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having problems with NIC alias.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Loren Koss wrote: > Only the primary IP address will respond on the network. Why is > this?? The alias IP will respond if I ping it from the box itself. But > wont respond if I ping from the network its attached to or through the > other nic i have in the box.. > > Diagram > > --------------| rl0 a.b.c.d (primary ip) 192.168.1.1 rl1 |----------- > Internet a.b.c.e (alias ip) Internal Net > Without knowing what command/rc.conf entry you are using to create the alias, it is difficult to determine the problem. However: a) is the alias's netmask 255.255.255.255 (if on the same network as the primary)? b) firewalling rules? c) sunspots? ----- Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 16:39:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from unix.pciway.com (d83b4646.dsl.flashcom.net [216.59.70.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2CB137B6C5 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:39:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from loren@pciway.com) Received: from localhost (loren@localhost) by unix.pciway.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01508; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:37:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from loren@pciway.com) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:37:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Loren Koss To: "Chris D. Faulhaber" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having problems with NIC alias.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks for responding so quickly.. here is a copy of my rc.conf file: gateway_enable="YES" network_interfaces="rl0 rl1 lo0" ifconfig_rl0="inet 216.59.70.70 netmask 255.255.255.0" ifconfig_rl0_alias0="inet 216.59.70.71 netmask 255.255.255.255" ifconfig_rl1="inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" defaultrouter="216.59.70.1" i am using ipnat, but currently thse are the only rules: map rl0 192.168.1.0/24 -> 216.59.70.70/32 portmap tcp/udp 10000:65000 map rl0 192.168.1.0/24 -> 216.59.70.70/32 I am tempted to do a windoze reboot and pray that maybe it works then.. I have been using the same setup for quite some time now and have had 0 problems.. Actually, let me take that back.. I was using IPFW/NATD before.. I was told IPFilter was superior.. Is this the problem?? Because I have that map up there? Do I need to explicitly allow the other address in? If so, how?? I know the card is responding because like I said, from the box itself I can ping the alias address.. Loren Koss http://www.checkthegrid.com Before you go to the movies...Check The Grid! On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Chris D. Faulhaber wrote: > On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Loren Koss wrote: > > > Only the primary IP address will respond on the network. Why is > > this?? The alias IP will respond if I ping it from the box itself. But > > wont respond if I ping from the network its attached to or through the > > other nic i have in the box.. > > > > Diagram > > > > --------------| rl0 a.b.c.d (primary ip) 192.168.1.1 rl1 |----------- > > Internet a.b.c.e (alias ip) Internal Net > > > > Without knowing what command/rc.conf entry you are using to create the > alias, it is difficult to determine the problem. However: a) is the > alias's netmask 255.255.255.255 (if on the same network as the > primary)? b) firewalling rules? c) sunspots? > > ----- > Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org > -------------------------------------------------------- > FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 16:47:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE6D37B7FB for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:47:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA65451 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:47:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:47:11 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lptcontrol - still broken Message-ID: <20000713164711.H65154@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <396D86FF.446B@kharkiv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <396D86FF.446B@kharkiv.net>; from vvc@kharkiv.net on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 12:08:15PM +0300 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am truly very sorry for all the trouble I caused with the lpt.h -> lptio.h change. There was no excuse for me causing RELENG_4 this much trouble. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 17: 4:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5403837B680 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:04:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA65580; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:04:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:04:17 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Mark.Andrews@nominum.com Cc: Mike Tancsa , Udo Schweigert , John Hay , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: lptcontrol - still broken Message-ID: <20000713170417.I65154@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000713092922.04ae8300@marble.sentex.ca> <200007132325.JAA85328@drugs.dv.isc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200007132325.JAA85328@drugs.dv.isc.org>; from Mark.Andrews@nominum.com on Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 09:25:14AM +1000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 09:25:14AM +1000, Mark.Andrews@nominum.com wrote: > What we need to look at is why this was not caught earlier and > what changes in build procedures will make sure problems like > this are caught by those performing the changes. I checked out RELENG_4 into /usr/src on a 4.0-RELEASE system. I then when thru and looked at all the commits I made to 5-CURRENT to make a list of things to MFC. I then applied the commits to my RELENG_4 tree. I did many ``make {build,install}world'' tests. Once I was satisfied I had a good stable patched /usr/src, I committed the MFC bits. I then checked out a virgin RELENG_4 tree and built and installed that. I then reformatted the machine as I needed it to run 5-CURRENT. Problem is I overlooked the lptcontrol changes (as I also overlooked them in 5-CURRENT), so they weren't under my name in the cvs-all archive. Thus, I haven't been able to fully test a RELENG_4 buildworld with the various band-aid fixes I tried. Quite sorry. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 17: 9:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A2A37BD42; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:09:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA05857; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:09:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:09:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Andreas Klemm Cc: "Sameer R. Manek" , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to update from FreeBSD 2.2.8 to RELENG_4 In-Reply-To: <20000713110456.A4811@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Andreas Klemm wrote: > On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 01:55:50AM -0700, Sameer R. Manek wrote: > > Really a fresh install of 4.0, or soon 4.1 would be your best bet. > > If doing backup and restore of applications in /usr/local ... > Would they run after a fresh 4.1 installation ? It would work as well as they would if you did a source-level upgrade; specifically, some things dig into kernel memory and are thus fragile against kernel changes. But most things should just work if you install the compat22 libs. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 17:24:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.uninet.ee (ns.uninet.ee [194.204.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5DC37B8DA for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:24:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mauri@inspiral.net) Received: from puu (parnu-isdn-62.uninet.ee [194.204.43.126]) by ns.uninet.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D4425835 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 02:24:42 +0200 (EET) From: "Lauri Laupmaa" Organization: Inspiral.Net To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 02:23:38 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: SMP 4.0 and NWFS module Message-ID: <396E79AA.28425.B14655@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi My fortnight old 4.0-STABLE system is saying: ncp_load: [210-213] warning: nwfs module compiled without SMP support. Where does one say SMP to nwfs module ? L To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 17:25:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BB337BB2E; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:25:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23550; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:55:02 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:55:02 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Nate Williams Cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" , Vivek Khera , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Message-ID: <20000714095502.A27141@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> <20000711103710.B21954@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396ADB61.5736BF19@newsguy.com> <20000711182903.K23115@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396C57FD.F73C1942@newsguy.com> <20000713092049.C3907@wantadilla.lemis.com> <200007131703.LAA03989@nomad.yogotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <200007131703.LAA03989@nomad.yogotech.com> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 13 July 2000 at 11:03:56 -0600, Nate Williams wrote: >> On Wednesday, 12 July 2000 at 20:35:25 +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: >>> Greg Lehey wrote: >>>> Yes. We could agree to change the tree to /usr/obj, but it should be >>>> consistent whichever way you do it. In the process we should also use >>>> obj symlinks like other BSDs use: >>>> >>>> === grog@wantadilla (/dev/ttyp5) ~ 1 -> cd /src/OpenBSD/src/sbin/fsck >>>> === grog@wantadilla (/dev/ttyp5) /src/OpenBSD/src/sbin/fsck 2 -> l >>>> total 1 >>>> drwxr-xr-x 2 grog lemis 512 Apr 17 1999 CVS >>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 171 Sep 22 1997 Makefile >>>> -r--r--r-- 1 grog lemis 421 Apr 18 1999 TRANS.TBL >>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 3616 Mar 25 1999 fsck.8 >>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 10548 Feb 28 1997 fsck.c >>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 6034 Sep 9 1997 fsutil.c >>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 2714 Oct 20 1996 fsutil.h >>>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 May 28 20:20 obj -> /usr/obj/sbin/fsck >>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 1857 Oct 20 1996 pathnames.h >>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 8734 Mar 25 1999 preen.c >>> >>> Oh, I *like* that! But it prevents one from using RO /usr/src. >> >> Not at all. It's an absolute symlink outside /usr/src. > > Yes it is, because the symlink itself lives in /usr/src, so in order to > create the link, /usr/src must initially be RW. The symlink is created > 'during' builds, so you can't make it RO until after the 'make obj' step > is done. There's a way to change that. The old BSD/386 CDs had the link there on the CDs. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 17:32:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA32B37B8D1; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:32:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24794; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:57:56 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:57:56 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Warner Losh Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , "Daniel C. Sobral" , Vivek Khera , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Message-ID: <20000714095756.B27141@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <396DFA9E.4BD3D27F@cup.hp.com> <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> <20000711103710.B21954@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396ADB61.5736BF19@newsguy.com> <20000711182903.K23115@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396C57FD.F73C1942@newsguy.com> <20000713092049.C3907@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396DFA9E.4BD3D27F@cup.hp.com> <200007131952.NAA26585@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <200007131952.NAA26585@harmony.village.org> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 13 July 2000 at 13:52:10 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <396DFA9E.4BD3D27F@cup.hp.com> Marcel Moolenaar writes: >> Greg Lehey wrote: >>> >>> On Wednesday, 12 July 2000 at 20:35:25 +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: >>>> Greg Lehey wrote: >>>>> Yes. We could agree to change the tree to /usr/obj, but it should be >>>>> consistent whichever way you do it. In the process we should also use >>>>> obj symlinks like other BSDs use: >>>>> >>>>> === grog@wantadilla (/dev/ttyp5) ~ 1 -> cd /src/OpenBSD/src/sbin/fsck >>>>> === grog@wantadilla (/dev/ttyp5) /src/OpenBSD/src/sbin/fsck 2 -> l >>>>> total 1 >>>>> drwxr-xr-x 2 grog lemis 512 Apr 17 1999 CVS >>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 171 Sep 22 1997 Makefile >>>>> -r--r--r-- 1 grog lemis 421 Apr 18 1999 TRANS.TBL >>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 3616 Mar 25 1999 fsck.8 >>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 10548 Feb 28 1997 fsck.c >>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 6034 Sep 9 1997 fsutil.c >>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 2714 Oct 20 1996 fsutil.h >>>>> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 May 28 20:20 obj -> /usr/obj/sbin/fsck >>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 1857 Oct 20 1996 pathnames.h >>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 grog lemis 8734 Mar 25 1999 preen.c >>>> >>>> Oh, I *like* that! But it prevents one from using RO /usr/src. >>> >>> Not at all. It's an absolute symlink outside /usr/src. >> >> Without an architecture prefix/postfix/directory somewhere in the path, >> this prevents concurrent cross-builds. > > Yes. We used to do the obj symbolic link a long time ago. It was a > really bad idea and caused us all kinds of grief. Care to elaborate? Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 17:47: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C995237B8D1; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:46:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32750; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:16:40 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:16:40 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Bill Paul Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RX problems with Macronix ethernet cards Message-ID: <20000714101640.A30012@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20000713232738.A64F937BA28@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <20000713232738.A64F937BA28@hub.freebsd.org> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 13 July 2000 at 16:27:38 -0700, Bill Paul wrote: > > Ok, some of you have been reporting problems with Macronix ethernet > cards which, whether you realize it or not, are due to the chip not > bring being programmed correctly to receive broadcast packets. Normally > the chip *would* be programmed correctly, except that Macronix has > come out with some new chip revs that are slightly different from the > chips on the sample cards I have here. This is why I haven't been able to > duplicate this problem locally. > > > > - Step 1: Make a note of the actual vendor/model number of this card. > Look at the box/manual/windoze driver diskette/etc that came with > the card; the information should be there somewhere. If it's a cheap > no-name card of some kind, just say so, but if it's LinkSys, D-Link > or whatever, please tell me. OK. I have three cards called SOHOware(tm) Fast SFA110A. I doubt the vendor (NDC Communications Inc. in Sunnyvale) knows the meaning of the abbreviation SFA in large parts of the English-speaking world. The label on the packet indicates that they're revision B4. > - Step 2: Actually *look* at the card, with your eyeballs, and make note > of the part number on the controller chip. Macronix chips typically > say MX or MXIC on them, and the model number will contain the string > "98715" in it somewhere. Note however that I don't want you to tell > me that it says 98715: I already *know* that. I want to know the whole > part number, i.e. MX98715AEC or MX98715AEC-C. DO NOT just write back > to me and say "uh... it's a 98715" or I will hunt you down, drain the > fat from your body, make expensive soap out of it and sell it upper > class department stores. It's a 98715. Oops, wrong answer. The chip has the following inscriptions: MX (large font) MX98715AEC-C M9941 TA151301 37DCX > - Step 3: With the card(s) installed in your machine, type the following > command: > > # pciconf -l > /tmp/pciconf.out Here's the complete output for one machine. The dc0 output for the other was identical. none0@pci0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x71908086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 pcib1@pci0:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x00000000 chip=0x71918086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x01 isab0@pci0:7:0: class=0x060100 card=0x00000000 chip=0x71108086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 atapci0@pci0:7:1: class=0x010180 card=0x00000000 chip=0x71118086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 uhci0@pci0:7:2: class=0x0c0300 card=0x00000000 chip=0x71128086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 none1@pci0:7:3: class=0x068000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x71138086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 dc0@pci0:9:0: class=0x020000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x053110d9 rev=0x25 hdr=0x00 ahc0@pci0:13:0: class=0x010000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x71789004 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 ahc1@pci0:15:0: class=0x010000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x81789004 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 atapci1@pci0:19:0: class=0x018000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x00041103 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 atapci2@pci0:19:1: class=0x018000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x00041103 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 none2@pci1:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0xff03102b chip=0x0521102b rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 > Then send the contents of the pciconf.out file to me so I can see PCI > revision codes. If you have more than one Macronix card in your system, > be sure and describe which card is which, i.e. if dc0 is an MX98715AEC > and dc1 is an MX98715AEC-D, be sure to state this fact clearly. All the cards are the same, bought at Fry's on the 16th June. The other two may have different manufacturing dates, but I don't want to drag them out of the machines they're in just for that. > Once you have all of this information collected and formatted nicely, > e-mail it to me at wpaul@freebsd.org and I will generate a patch to > if_dc so that I can special-case these chips correctly. In the meantime, > if you can't resist the urge to fiddle a bit, try the following: > > > > This will force the driver to calculate the CRC value for a 128-bit > hash table. Yup, that does the job. You should probably send this to -CURRENT as well. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 18: 8:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (ha1.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA8537B971; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:08:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by mail.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000714010828.HCBI11071.mail.rdc1.il.home.com@math.missouri.edu>; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:08:28 -0700 Message-ID: <396E67C7.CED15DDC@math.missouri.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:07:19 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, ache@FreeBSD.org Subject: Problems with screen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just built the latest stable 4.0 stuff (not too easy because of the lptcontrol problem). Now screen (as in /usr/ports/misc/screen) does not work. I tried remaking it, and it still does not work. screen exits with: ............. most of the startup message deleted ............ Send bugreports, fixes, enhancements, t-shirts, money, beer & pizza to screen@uni-erlangen.de [Press Space or Return to end.] [screen caught signal 11. (core dumped)] I happened to notice that during its make that configure complained that fifo was broken - I don't know if that is relevant. Here is a portion from the output of configure (from make) checking fifos - your fifos are usable checking for broken fifo implementation - you have a broken implementation checking sockets - your sockets are usable checking socket implementation - you are normal - as your fifos are broken lets use the sockets. -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith Department of Mathematics, University of Missouri, Columbia, MO 65211 Phone 573-882-4540, fax 573-882-1869 http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen stephen@math.missouri.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 18:31: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E268637BCE9; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:30:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA61641; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:30:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA29645; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:30:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007140130.TAA29645@harmony.village.org> To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , "Daniel C. Sobral" , Vivek Khera , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:57:56 +0930." <20000714095756.B27141@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20000714095756.B27141@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396DFA9E.4BD3D27F@cup.hp.com> <14697.55301.614418.390096@onceler.kcilink.com> <20000711103710.B21954@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396ADB61.5736BF19@newsguy.com> <20000711182903.K23115@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396C57FD.F73C1942@newsguy.com> <20000713092049.C3907@wantadilla.lemis.com> <396DFA9E.4BD3D27F@cup.hp.com> <200007131952.NAA26585@harmony.village.org> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:30:40 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000714095756.B27141@wantadilla.lemis.com> Greg Lehey writes: : > Yes. We used to do the obj symbolic link a long time ago. It was a : > really bad idea and caused us all kinds of grief. : : Care to elaborate? Yes. It make it impossible to build tree off a cdrom (since you had to create the obj links). One couldn't build the same tree with multiple architectures as well, which is trivial to do today with MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX. There were other problems too with stale links and the like, but it has been so long that I've forgotten them. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 19:52:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1139837BEAB for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:52:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01586; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:52:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200007140252.TAA01586@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: how to update from FreeBSD 2.2.8 to RELENG_4 In-Reply-To: <20000713091845.A2997@titan.klemm.gtn.com> from Andreas Klemm at "Jul 13, 0 09:18:45 am" To: andreas@klemm.gtn.com (Andreas Klemm) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:52:31 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Andreas Klemm wrote: > I have an old FreeBSD 2.2.8 installation at a customers site. > Does somebody have any experience in upgrading such a machine to 4.0 ? I have a couple of 2.2.8 systems, and a 2.1.7 running. I think if I were to try to upgrade them, I'd do a binary install of 4.0 (or 4.1?) and make sure the 2.2 compatability libraries were installed. That's gotta be faster and easier than the several-step download and compile you're contemplating. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 19:54: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.ilsmart.com (freebie.ilsmart.com [206.175.69.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E987A37BB45 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:53:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bgoering@ilsmart.com) Received: from svr03.ilsmart.com (ilsinet.go-ils.com [206.175.69.228]) by freebie.ilsmart.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6E2rs798039 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:53:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from NT2NOTES.ilsmart.com ([209.154.176.3]) by svr03.ilsmart.com (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c (Intl)) with ESMTP id 2000071321541471:29056 ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:54:14 -0500 Subject: Hardware Info To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2a (Intl) 23 November 1999 Message-ID: From: bgoering@ilsmart.com Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:52:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on NT2NOTES/ILS(Release 5.0.2c (Intl)|2 February 2000) at 07/13/2000 09:53:53 PM, Itemize by SMTP Server on ILSINET/ILS(Release 5.0.2c (Intl)|2 February 2000) at 07/13/2000 09:54:14 PM, Serialize by Router on ILSINET/ILS(Release 5.0.2c (Intl)|2 February 2000) at 07/13/2000 09:54:15 PM, Serialize complete at 07/13/2000 09:54:15 PM Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there a way to get a map of the ports, irq, dma in use on a FreeBSD system? Maybe information similar to what one sees in Windows device manager. TIA - Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 20: 3: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.lewman.org (lowrider.lewman.org [209.67.240.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF9337BB45 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:03:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from deimos@lewman.com) Received: by mail.lewman.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4FC733D34; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lewman.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ACAE5BBF; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:02:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy X-Sender: deimos@lowrider.lewman.org To: bgoering@ilsmart.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hardware Info In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 bgoering@ilsmart.com wrote: > Is there a way to get a map of the ports, irq, dma in use on a FreeBSD > system? Maybe information similar to what one sees in Windows device > manager. Does "vmstat -i" provide the detail for which you seek? -- | Andy | e-mail | web | | | andy@lewman.com | www.lewman.com | This fortune is false. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 20:34:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from camus.cybercable.fr (camus.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DB6E037BD22 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:34:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from clefevre%no-spam@citeweb.net) Received: (qmail 14336684 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2000 03:34:31 -0000 Received: from r224m65.cybercable.tm.fr (HELO gits.dyndns.org) ([195.132.224.65]) (envelope-sender ) by camus.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Jul 2000 03:34:31 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by gits.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA66808; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 05:34:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from clefevre%no-spam@citeweb.net) Posted-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 05:34:30 +0200 (CEST) To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Failure of buildworld References: <20000712133138R.takamune@vrl.mei.co.jp> <001501bfec0d$15879400$df3a01d5@galaxy> <20000713163313.C65154@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: clefevre@citeweb.net X-Face: V|+c;4!|B?E%BE^{E6);aI.[<97Zd*>^#%Y5Cxv;%Y[PT-LW3;A:fRrJ8+^k"e7@+30g0YD0*^^3jgyShN7o?a]C la*Zv'5NA,=963bM%J^o]C From: Cyrille Lefevre Date: 14 Jul 2000 05:34:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: "David O'Brien"'s message of "Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:33:13 -0700" Message-ID: <66q92xmi.fsf@pc166.gits.fr> Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Canyonlands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "David O'Brien" writes: > On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 03:25:51PM +0100, Stone wrote: > > ===> usr.sbin/lptcontrol > > rm -f .depend > > mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include > > /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c > > /usr/src/usr.sbin/lptcontrol/lptcontrol.c:45: dev/ppbus/lptio.h: No such > > file or directory > > mkdep: compile failed > > *** Error code 1 > > I am truely very sorry for all the trouble I caused with the lpt.h -> > lptio.h change. There was no excuse for me causing RELENG_4 this much > trouble. no prob., David, as everybody anywhere, you are a man, and men do mistakes sometimes (often?) :) Cyrille. -- home:mailto:clefevre%no-spam@citeweb.net Supprimer "%no-spam" pour me repondre. work:mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre%no-spam@edf.fr Remove "%no-spam" to answer me back. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 20:40:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.itga.com.au (ns.itga.com.au [202.53.40.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855D537B99B for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:40:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by ns.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA71917; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:40:20 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by lightning.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29955; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:40:20 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200007140340.NAA29955@lightning.itga.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 From: Gregory Bond To: bgoering@ilsmart.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hardware Info In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:52:13 -0500. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:40:19 +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Is there a way to get a map of the ports, irq, dma in use on a FreeBSD > system? For IRQs, use systat -vm or vmstat -i. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 13 21:11: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB0337BDEC; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:10:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bandix@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA33642; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:10:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:10:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Andreas Klemm , "Sameer R. Manek" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how to update from FreeBSD 2.2.8 to RELENG_4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-991328629-963547035=:32138" Content-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-991328629-963547035=:32138 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote: >On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Andreas Klemm wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 01:55:50AM -0700, Sameer R. Manek wrote: >> > Really a fresh install of 4.0, or soon 4.1 would be your best bet. >> >> If doing backup and restore of applications in /usr/local ... >> Would they run after a fresh 4.1 installation ? > >It would work as well as they would if you did a source-level >upgrade; specifically, some things dig into kernel memory and are thus >fragile against kernel changes. But most things should just work if you >install the compat22 libs. I would generate a list of installed packages by doing: ls /var/db/pkg > /backupmnt/packages.txt Then backup any 2.2 software you have which cannot be installed from ports/packages and install 4.1 on the machine. Then I'd run that list of installed packages through the attached perl script like so: chmod 755 pkginst.pl && ./pkginst.pl < packages.txt and you'll have all of your software back. Brandon D. Valentine -- bandix at looksharp.net | bandix at structbio.vanderbilt.edu "Truth suffers from too much analysis." -- Ancient Fremen Saying --0-991328629-963547035=:32138 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII; NAME="pkginst.pl" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: ATTACHMENT; FILENAME="pkginst.pl" IyEvdXNyL2Jpbi9wZXJsDQokcGtnY21kID0gJy91c3Ivc2Jpbi9wa2dfYWRk IC1ybic7DQp3aGlsZSAoJHBrZyA9IDxTVERJTj4pIHsNCgkkcGtnID1+IHMv LS4rLy87DQogICAgcHJpbnQgYCRwa2djbWQgJHBrZ2A7DQp9DQo= --0-991328629-963547035=:32138-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 0: 8:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.nikoma.de (smtp1.nikoma.de [212.122.128.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B5137BAAF for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:06:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oliver.helmling@nikocity.de) Received: from hal.matof.de (dialin71-nt.pg1.frankfurt.nikoma.de [213.54.32.71]) by smtp1.nikoma.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA78153 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:06:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.helmling@nikocity.de) Received: from localhost (oliver@localhost) by hal.matof.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA07708 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 06:24:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.helmling@nikocity.de) X-Authentication-Warning: hal.matof.de: oliver owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 06:24:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Helmling To: FreeBSD-stable Mailingliste Subject: RE: various questions about make targets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi john! no, i wanted to know what's the difference between "make deinstall" and "pkg_delete [-f]" and when should i use "make reinstall" instead of "make install" concering the ports. after a "make buildworld" and a "make installworld" on a buildworld-server i could nfs-mount /usr/src and /usr/obj and do what on the client -- a "make installworld" or a "make reinstall". according to "Makefile.inc1" i should do a "make reinstall" on the client. ??? is there a possibility that i can only install the rootfilesystem (and perhaps some files in /var) on the clients if "/usr" is completely nfs-mounted or shouldn't i do that. and of course, suppose i let build all the code concering sendmail on the buildworld-server, but on the clients i don't need any sendmail stuff, since i've got a smtp-server. will NO_SENDMAIL=YES in "/etc/make.conf" on the client work the way i expect? (of course, with an nfs-mounted /usr-filesystem this example has no use, just as an example!) i hope my questions are clearer now. -- Viele Grüße Oliver Helmling To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 1:21:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0702337B531 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:21:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from foo.osd.bsdi.com (root@foo.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.137]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01511; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:21:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by foo.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10957; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:20:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Organization: BSD, Inc. From: John Baldwin To: Oliver Helmling Subject: RE: various questions about make targets Cc: FreeBSD-stable Mailingliste Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 14-Jul-00 Oliver Helmling wrote: > hi john! > > no, i wanted to know what's the difference between "make deinstall" and > "pkg_delete [-f]" and when should i use "make reinstall" instead of > "make install" concering the ports. Well, make deinstall assumes that the version it is deleting is the version of the port in the Makefile, which isn't true if you are upgrading an old port. Other than that they both do the same thing. You use "make reinstall" with a port if you need to install it more than once. For example, if you mount /usr/ports over NFS to several machines, then you might 'make all install' on the first machine to compile and install the port. On the other machines, you would use 'make reinstall' to install the port after it has been built. The difference is that make install won't do anything if work/.install_done exists, but make reinstall will always try to install the port. > after a "make buildworld" and a "make installworld" on a > buildworld-server i could nfs-mount /usr/src and /usr/obj and do what on > the client -- a "make installworld" or a "make reinstall". according to > "Makefile.inc1" i should do a "make reinstall" on the client. ??? I've always done a make installworld myself, but make reinstall will probably work as well. I think they both end up basically doing the same thing now. make reinstall is probably a hold over from much earlier when the world target was not split up into buildworld and installworld. > is there a possibility that i can only install the rootfilesystem (and > perhaps some files in /var) on the clients if "/usr" is completely > nfs-mounted or shouldn't i do that. Well, I don't know of a way to not install /usr off-hand. However, a lot of commonly used files are in /usr, so NFS mounting /usr over a network is going to generate a _lot_ of traffic. However, I have ran networks of 80+ machines where I exported /usr/local and /usr/X11R6 over NFS and it worked fine. > and of course, suppose i let build all the code concering sendmail on > the buildworld-server, but on the clients i don't need any sendmail > stuff, since i've got a smtp-server. will NO_SENDMAIL=YES in > "/etc/make.conf" on the client work the way i expect? (of course, with > an nfs-mounted /usr-filesystem this example has no use, just as an > example!) Hrmm, I'm fairly certain that it will work the way you want it to. That is, I believe that it won't install sendmail on the clients. > i hope my questions are clearer now. Much. :) Hope this helps. > -- > > Viele Grüße > Oliver Helmling -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 1:37: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com [207.113.159.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3998437B531; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:37:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from imap.gv.tsc.tdk.com (imap.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.198]) by gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA17431; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:37:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.194]) by imap.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA63422; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:37:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Don.Lewis@tsc.tdk.com) Received: (from gdonl@localhost) by salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA00274; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:36:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Lewis Message-Id: <200007140836.BAA00274@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:36:55 -0700 In-Reply-To: <200007040158.SAA00532@mass.osd.bsdi.com> References: <200007040158.SAA00532@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 beta(5) 10/07/98) To: Mike Smith , David Gilbert Subject: Re: Dump takes ages on SCSI. (several times faster on IDE) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Jul 3, 6:58pm, Mike Smith wrote: } Subject: Re: Dump takes ages on SCSI. (several times faster on IDE) } IDE disks typically default to write-cache enabled (the drive returns the } command as complete as soon as it's given to the drive), while SCSI disks } default to write-cache disabled (the drive doesn't return the command as } complete until it's hit the media). All the SCSI disks I've seen in the last few years have been shipped from the factory with write-caching enabled. I have to remember to disable it when installing new disks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 2: 3:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dt052n3e.san.rr.com (dt052n3e.san.rr.com [204.210.33.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB5037BE94 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 02:03:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt052n3e.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA27032; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 02:03:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <396ED753.2D6A8188@gorean.org> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 02:03:15 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: NOUUCP knob MFC? References: <4.3.2.20000713094618.00abdf00@mixcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jeffrey J. Mountin" wrote: > > 'Twas commited to -current back on 3/20 and has yet to be MFC'd. So long I > forgot. Would be nice before 4.1R. 8-) If anyone is interested, I have patches to do this for all 3 branches, which include a more complete nuke'ifying of uucp, including the files in /etc. Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 3:15:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D46037B63D; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:15:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13D2V4-000Gdq-00; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:15:18 +0200 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:15:18 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Shawn Barnhart Cc: Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels Message-ID: <20000714121518.A63927@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <00b801bfeb66$94ab2960$9b239fc0@mobocracy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <00b801bfeb66$94ab2960$9b239fc0@mobocracy>; from swb@grasslake.net on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 01:33:58PM -0500 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue 2000-07-11 (13:33), Shawn Barnhart wrote: > Fascinating discussion. > > I guess I don't care which tools I use, so long as they do the right > thing, and, most importantly THAT THE METHODS ARE TOTALLY DOCUMENTED > WITH ALL THE QUIRKS IN THE FSCK'N HANDBOOK AND NOT JUST IN THE MAILING > LIST ARCHIVE! Do you have any suggested text you'd like to see there? > One thing that frustrates me about FBSD is the "docrot" of the handbook. > When I was getting started with FBSD I seemed to stumble across many > things that, while not exactly incorrect, were nevertheless incomplete > or outmoded by newer/better/smarter ways of doing things. Do you have any list of outdated bits, so that there can actually be an improvement, instead of making the documentation team sit there in frustration looking at contentless complaints and forgetting that they've done an incredible job? You can either send your patches to me, or use send-pr. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 3:19:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3FE37B5A6 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:19:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13D2Yz-000GeM-00; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:19:21 +0200 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:19:21 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: NOUUCP knob MFC? Message-ID: <20000714121921.B63927@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <4.3.2.20000713094618.00abdf00@mixcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.20000713094618.00abdf00@mixcom.com>; from jeff@mountin.net on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 09:55:26AM -0500 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu 2000-07-13 (09:55), Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > Can mtree deal with 'if' statements? Simple enough to blow away a > directory or modify the files, but it would be cleaner if the knobs would > be able to modify mtree's behavior. It has exclude lists, with -X. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 3:20:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.ninth-circle.org (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 889AF37C5B1; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:20:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@lucifer.ninth-circle.org) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA60157; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:20:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:20:17 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: stable@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org Subject: bootdisk problems/md related Message-ID: <20000714122017.I58846@lucifer.bart.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Organisation: VIA Net.Works The Netherlands Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG So I decided to test the STABLE bootdisks. Downloaded the 7-12 ones and tried them on the laptop of a helldesker here. Bang, panic. last lines: md0: raw partition size != slice size md0: truncating raw parition md0: rejecting parition in BSD label: it isn't entirely within the slice. Any ideas what might cause this? I am testing this set on desktop now and see if it has the same problem. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator VIA Net.Works The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl Only the good die young, all the evil seems to live forever... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 3:29:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dns.comrax.com (dns.comrax.com [194.90.246.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED0837BE0F for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:29:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from noor@comrax.com) Received: from NOOR (unknown [156.27.243.27]) by dns.comrax.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E07541C99C for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:29:44 +0300 (IDT) From: "Noor Dawod" To: "FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List" Subject: Latest STABLE sources. Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:28:12 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: "Noor Dawod" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I've been reading last week's postings regarding STABLE sources, and I think there were few bugs in it that were found, and patched, but others still exist: 1. A compile error in make buildworld in lpcontrol. A patch was supplied. 2. An install problem in make installworld, while installing perl5. Set NO_PERL in /etc/make.conf to install correctly. 3. I believe there's a problem in /etc/defaults/rc.conf as it doesn't read /etc/rc.conf correctly. I didn't find a post about this, and in my case at least, the 'defaultrouter' and 'named_enable' parameters were not recognized from /etc/rc.conf by /etc/defaults/rc.conf. Is this known? That's it for now... Do you guys know for sure that the current STABLE release is Ok now? Thanks, Noor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 3:45:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.ninth-circle.org (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B3237B692; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:45:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@lucifer.ninth-circle.org) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA60340; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:45:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:45:36 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bootdisk problems/md related Message-ID: <20000714124536.J58846@lucifer.bart.nl> References: <20000714122017.I58846@lucifer.bart.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000714122017.I58846@lucifer.bart.nl>; from jruigrok@via-net-works.nl on Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 12:20:17PM +0200 Organisation: VIA Net.Works The Netherlands Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [jkh cc:'d since he's the release engineer] -On [20000714 12:25], Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven (jruigrok@via-net-works.nl) wrote: >So I decided to test the STABLE bootdisks. Downloaded the 7-12 ones and >tried them on the laptop of a helldesker here. [snip] >I am testing this set on desktop now and see if it has the same problem. Same problem, this time more scribblings: Mounting root from ufs:/dev/md0c md0: raw parition size != slice size md0: start 0, end 855, size 856 md0c: start 0, end 5759, size 5760 md0: truncating new parition md0: rejecting partition in BSD label: it isn't entirely within the slice md0: start 0, end 855, size 856 md0a: start 0, size 5759, size 5760 spec_getpages: (#md/2) I/O read failure: (error 22) bp 0xc5f50420 vp 0xcb307ec0 size: 4096, resid: 4096, a_count: 4096, valid: 0x0 nread: 0, reqpage: 0, pindex: 405, pcount: 1 vm_fault: pager read error, pid 1 (swapper) init died (signal 6, exit 0) panic: going nowhere without my init! This is a showstopper for now. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator VIA Net.Works The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl Only the good die young, all the evil seems to live forever... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 3:48:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.osd.bsdi.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D85837B5BB; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:48:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA20160; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:49:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com) To: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bootdisk problems/md related In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:45:36 +0200." <20000714124536.J58846@lucifer.bart.nl> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:49:13 -0700 Message-ID: <20157.963571753@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I believe the fix for this just got merged. - Jordan > [jkh cc:'d since he's the release engineer] > > -On [20000714 12:25], Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven (jruigrok@via-net-works.n l) wrote: > >So I decided to test the STABLE bootdisks. Downloaded the 7-12 ones and > >tried them on the laptop of a helldesker here. > > [snip] > > >I am testing this set on desktop now and see if it has the same problem. > > Same problem, this time more scribblings: > > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/md0c > md0: raw parition size != slice size > md0: start 0, end 855, size 856 > md0c: start 0, end 5759, size 5760 > md0: truncating new parition > md0: rejecting partition in BSD label: it isn't entirely within the slice > md0: start 0, end 855, size 856 > md0a: start 0, size 5759, size 5760 > spec_getpages: (#md/2) I/O read failure: (error 22) bp 0xc5f50420 vp 0xcb307e c0 > size: 4096, resid: 4096, a_count: 4096, valid: 0x0 > nread: 0, reqpage: 0, pindex: 405, pcount: 1 > vm_fault: pager read error, pid 1 (swapper) > init died (signal 6, exit 0) > panic: going nowhere without my init! > > This is a showstopper for now. > > -- > Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator > VIA Net.Works The Netherlands > BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl > Only the good die young, all the evil seems to live forever... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 4:20:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jabba.shock.net (net128-114.mclink.it [195.110.128.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44EFB37C429 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:20:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mad@jabba.shock.net) Received: (from mad@localhost) by jabba.shock.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03468; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:20:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mad) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:20:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Guido Falsi To: Noor Dawod Subject: RE: Latest STABLE sources. Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 14-Jul-00 Noor Dawod wrote: > That's it for now... Do you guys know for sure that the current STABLE > release is Ok now? > There's one more strange behavior: I defined PERL_THREADED= true in my make.conf, but it looks like the compiled and installed perl isn't a threaded one (I'm trying to oinstall a perl napster frontend, and it complainds about my perl not being threaded), is this expected? Am I doing something wrong? Guido Falsi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 4:44: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca (jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca [142.177.1.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590ED37C625 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:44:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cforger@aardvarkinc.com) Received: from TS2 ([142.177.198.11]) by jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-66967U86000L86000S0V35) with SMTP id ca for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:43:59 -0300 From: "Christopher Forgeron" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:43:58 -0300 Message-ID: <004a01bfed88$ccc65b70$0200a8c0@aardvarkinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -- Christopher Forgeron Aardvark Computer Solutions, Inc. 2070 Oxford Street, Suite 200, Halifax, Nova Scotia. B3L-2T2 Tel: (902) 425-2686 Fax: (902) 425-1550 cforger@aardvarkinc.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 5:30:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from racine.cybercable.fr (racine.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 244B737B71D for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 05:30:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mhenrion@cybercable.fr) Received: (qmail 11550882 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2000 12:30:14 -0000 Received: from r121m199.cybercable.tm.fr (HELO cybercable.fr) ([195.132.121.199]) (envelope-sender ) by racine.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Jul 2000 12:30:14 -0000 Message-ID: <396F0896.41E8EBD@cybercable.fr> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:33:26 +0200 From: Maxime Henrion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: xmms 1.2.2 doesn'n work anymore with FreeBSD 4.1-RC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, well, all is said in the topic. someone already had this problem ? i'm not sure if it's the make world that made that problem because i enabled softupdates on my box in the same time, but i doubt this will cause troubles with xmms :) if anyonre already had this problem, it would be nice to tell me ! it would be even nicer to help me solve it =) Thanks, -Maxime Henrion To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 5:39:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF32C37C55B for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 05:39:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e6ECdYM28575; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 05:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 05:39:34 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Maxime Henrion Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: xmms 1.2.2 doesn'n work anymore with FreeBSD 4.1-RC Message-ID: <20000714053934.M25571@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <396F0896.41E8EBD@cybercable.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <396F0896.41E8EBD@cybercable.fr>; from mhenrion@cybercable.fr on Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 02:33:26PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Maxime Henrion [000714 05:31] wrote: > Hello, > > well, all is said in the topic. someone already had this problem ? > i'm not sure if it's the make world that made that problem because i > enabled softupdates on my box in the same time, but i doubt this will > cause troubles with xmms :) > if anyonre already had this problem, it would be nice to tell me ! > it would be even nicer to help me solve it =) How does it fail to work? -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 6:30:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from 2ainfo.it (ppp06.2ainfo.it [195.31.142.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ABAB37C73C for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 06:30:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from filippo@2ainfo.it) Received: (from filippo@localhost) by 2ainfo.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA83607; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:34:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from filippo) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:33:55 +0200 From: Filippo Moretti To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: xmms 1.2.2 doesn'n work anymore with FreeBSD 4.1-RC Message-ID: <20000714153355.D53051@2ainfo.it> References: <396F0896.41E8EBD@cybercable.fr> <20000714053934.M25571@fw.wintelcom.net> <20000714150740.C53051@2ainfo.it> <20000714060717.N25571@fw.wintelcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20000714060717.N25571@fw.wintelcom.net>; from bright@wintelcom.net on Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 06:07:17AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 06:07:17AM -0700, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > * Filippo Moretti [000714 06:04] wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 05:39:34AM -0700, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > * Maxime Henrion [000714 05:31] wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I get a segmentation fault but I cannot get further information > > sincerely > > Filippo > > Have you tried re-compiling it? > > -Alfred > yes I did right now after a make update in the ports directory that showed a change in the Makefile:same problem To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 6:42:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2736637C2B4; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 06:42:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from so@server.i-clue.de) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id RAA26557; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:45:35 +0200 Message-ID: <396F18CC.6EB2304D@i-clue.de> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:42:36 +0200 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: so@server.i-clue.de Organization: i-clue interactive GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: so@server.ms-agentur.de, Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stable does not boot after make buildworld, ... Was: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels References: <396B76B0.D8BA4E02@i-clue.de> <396C6848.A4907221@newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A-Ha! Now we get closer to the problem... read on, suggestions follow... "Daniel C. Sobral" wrote: > > Christoph Sold wrote: > > > > > Summary of Officially Sanctioned Update Procedure: > > > > > > make buildworld > > > make buildkernel > > > make installkernel > > > shutdown (drop into single-user mode) > > > make installworld > > > mergemaster > > > reboot > > > > > > Depart from the above procedure at your own risk. Thankyou :-) > > > > Been there, done that, to the last letter ('kay, I didn't type the > > "(drop into single-user..." part). Fresh install from 4.0-Release, > > CVSup'ed after the binutils were declared clean. The system panics when > > loading linux.ko. > > > > It seems to me there is something not working as intended. > > > > Can any helpful soul look at the stable build sequence shown and > > determine why it crashes during loading linux.ko? > > Yes. After the above procedure, your new kernel will be installed under > a different name, equal to the name of the kernel configuration file. > When booting, the old /kernel will get loaded, and that one is > incompatible with your newer modules. > > There are two ways around this: > > 1) Edit /boot/loader.conf and add the line kernel="XYZZY", where XYZZY > is the name of your kernel. > 2) See LINT (it's still LINT on -stable, right? :) for an option that > let you override the name, so that XYZZY will install kernels named > "kernel" again. As I have written: I have followed this procedure to the point. An 'lo, there was a kernel named (SURPRISE) GENERIC shamelessly sitting around at root. Can we safely a) assume when building the default (GENERIC) kernel it should be installed automagically so it boots automatically, and, if possible, move the old kernel to kernel.old automagically? b) make the build process so following the instructions to the point leads to a running system, automagically, or, alternatively change the build instructions to show the pitfalls more prominently? IMHO, when big changes like aout-elf, or, recently, new tool chain tools make changes to the build process unavoidable, /prominent/ hints for stupid stable-only-readers like me should be placed everywhere*) -- in case of aout->elf, I was warned, so that went through. This time I plainly missed the warnings. Just my .05 Euro -Christoph Sold To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 6:58:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vbs.victoriabank.md (host62.victoriabank.md [212.56.194.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350A937C797 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 06:58:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from palexey@victoriabank.md) Received: from lotus.pvt (lotus.pvt [192.168.2.4]) by vbs.victoriabank.md (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA20318 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:00:54 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from palexey@victoriabank.md) Received: by lotus.pvt(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id C225691C.004CA666 ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:57:13 +0300 X-Lotus-FromDomain: VICTORIABANK From: "Pavel Alexey" To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:57:08 +0300 Subject: make STABLE-4 from RELESE-4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I don't known, may be this is documented somewhere, but i don't found: 1. "make buildworld" use includes and libraries from /usr, not currently created in /usr/obj. ".depend" file in /usr/obj/ directories exist and point to newest created includes and libraries. Cause of new additional defines in includes and functions in libc, "make buildworld" from sources cvsup-ed from RELEASE-4 to STABLE-4 fail. 2. "make buildwold" and "make buildkernel" create new binaries with debug info. Traditional "make world" make me all without it. ?why? Pavel Alexey P.S. Sorry for storm of my "help" in list. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 7: 0:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lafontaine.cybercable.fr (lafontaine.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B2C1737C873 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:00:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mhenrion@cybercable.fr) Received: (qmail 15071612 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2000 14:00:36 -0000 Received: from r121m199.cybercable.tm.fr (HELO cybercable.fr) ([195.132.121.199]) (envelope-sender ) by lafontaine.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Jul 2000 14:00:36 -0000 Message-ID: <396F1DC4.D37EA4AF@cybercable.fr> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:03:48 +0200 From: Maxime Henrion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alfred Perlstein , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xmms 1.2.2 doesn'n work anymore with FreeBSD 4.1-RC References: <396F0896.41E8EBD@cybercable.fr> <20000714053934.M25571@fw.wintelcom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alfred Perlstein wrote: > * Maxime Henrion [000714 05:31] wrote: > > Hello, > > > > well, all is said in the topic. someone already had this problem ? > > i'm not sure if it's the make world that made that problem because i > > enabled softupdates on my box in the same time, but i doubt this will > > cause troubles with xmms :) > > if anyonre already had this problem, it would be nice to tell me ! > > it would be even nicer to help me solve it =) > > How does it fail to work? > > -Alfred Well, its odd but it is working right now, after rebooting ! Thanks anyway ! -Maxime Henrion To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 7:19:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kci.kciLink.com (kci.kciLink.com [204.117.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4663537BF8F for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:19:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: from onceler.kcilink.com (onceler.kciLink.com [204.117.82.2]) by kci.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432CCE8D3 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from khera@localhost) by onceler.kcilink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA69817; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:19:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from khera@kci.kcilink.com) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14703.8572.173628.914420@onceler.kcilink.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:19:40 -0400 (EDT) To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Off-topic (Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels) In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 10) "Capitol Reef" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "KK" == Kris Kennaway writes: KK> Guys, this is now at least two steps removed from being on-topic for KK> -stable. Please take your discussions elsewhere if you wish to pursue them KK> (on the other hand, perhaps a few dozen more messages with the same KK> subject might get the original message through some people's heads :-) And PLEASE cull the cc list. I don't need every fscking message twice. Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 7:20:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rothko.bestweb.net (rothko.bestweb.net [209.94.100.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C9137C6C1; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:20:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kmg@bestweb.net) Received: from Barbarossa (dialin-21.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net [216.179.15.52]) by rothko.bestweb.net (8.9.1a/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA13970; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:20:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Reply-To: kmg@bestweb.net To: so@server.i-clue.de, Christoph Sold , "Daniel C. Sobral" Subject: Re: Stable does not boot after make buildworld, ... Was: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:17:10 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: so@server.ms-agentur.de, Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <396C6848.A4907221@newsguy.com> <396F18CC.6EB2304D@i-clue.de> In-Reply-To: <396F18CC.6EB2304D@i-clue.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00071415190500.00593@Barbarossa> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Christoph Sold wrote: > A-Ha! Now we get closer to the problem... read on, suggestions follow... > > "Daniel C. Sobral" wrote: > > > > Christoph Sold wrote: > > > > > > > Summary of Officially Sanctioned Update Procedure: > > > > > > > > make buildworld > > > > make buildkernel > > > > make installkernel > > > > shutdown (drop into single-user mode) > > > > make installworld > > > > mergemaster > > > > reboot > > > > > > > > Depart from the above procedure at your own risk. Thankyou :-) > > > > > > Been there, done that, to the last letter ('kay, I didn't type the > > > "(drop into single-user..." part). Fresh install from 4.0-Release, > > > CVSup'ed after the binutils were declared clean. The system panics when > > > loading linux.ko. > > > > > > It seems to me there is something not working as intended. > > > > > > Can any helpful soul look at the stable build sequence shown and > > > determine why it crashes during loading linux.ko? > > > > Yes. After the above procedure, your new kernel will be installed under > > a different name, equal to the name of the kernel configuration file. > > When booting, the old /kernel will get loaded, and that one is > > incompatible with your newer modules. > > > > There are two ways around this: > > > > 1) Edit /boot/loader.conf and add the line kernel="XYZZY", where XYZZY > > is the name of your kernel. > > 2) See LINT (it's still LINT on -stable, right? :) for an option that > > let you override the name, so that XYZZY will install kernels named > > "kernel" again. > > As I have written: I have followed this procedure to the point. An 'lo, > there was a kernel named (SURPRISE) GENERIC shamelessly sitting around > at root. > > Can we safely > > a) assume when building the default (GENERIC) kernel it should be > installed automagically so it boots automatically, and, if possible, > move the old kernel to kernel.old automagically? > > b) make the build process so following the instructions to the point > leads to a running system, automagically, > or, alternatively > change the build instructions to show the pitfalls more prominently? > > IMHO, when big changes like aout-elf, or, recently, new tool chain tools > make changes to the build process unavoidable, /prominent/ hints for > stupid stable-only-readers like me should be placed everywhere*) -- in > case of aout->elf, I was warned, so that went through. This time I > plainly missed the warnings. > > Just my .05 Euro > -Christoph Sold Read /usr/src/UPDATING for information on how to compile and install a new kernel. -Kevin > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 7:28:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kci.kciLink.com (kci.kciLink.com [204.117.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D97037C2CE for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:28:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: from onceler.kcilink.com (onceler.kciLink.com [204.117.82.2]) by kci.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFFDE8D3 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from khera@localhost) by onceler.kcilink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA69829; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:28:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from khera@kci.kcilink.com) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14703.9105.451095.477926@onceler.kcilink.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:28:33 -0400 (EDT) To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hardware Info In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 10) "Capitol Reef" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "A" == Andy writes: A> On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 bgoering@ilsmart.com wrote: >> Is there a way to get a map of the ports, irq, dma in use on a FreeBSD >> system? Maybe information similar to what one sees in Windows device >> manager. A> Does "vmstat -i" provide the detail for which you seek? That doesn't list ports and DMA. Try "cat /var/run/dmesg.boot" and read through it. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera@kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-301-545-6996 GPG & MIME spoken here http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 7:37:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.ilsmart.com (freebie.ilsmart.com [206.175.69.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A1B37BB1D for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:37:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bgoering@ilsmart.com) Received: from svr03.ilsmart.com (ilsinet.go-ils.com [206.175.69.228]) by freebie.ilsmart.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6EEbL705659 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:37:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from NT2NOTES.ilsmart.com ([209.154.176.3]) by svr03.ilsmart.com (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c (Intl)) with ESMTP id 2000071409374211:29832 ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:37:42 -0500 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hardware Info X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: From: bgoering@ilsmart.com Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:37:22 -0500 X-MIMETrack: S/MIME Sign by Notes Client on Bill Goering/ILS(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 07/14/2000 09:32:28 AM, Serialize by Notes Client on Bill Goering/ILS(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 07/14/2000 09:32:28 AM, Serialize complete at 07/14/2000 09:32:28 AM, S/MIME Sign failed at 07/14/2000 09:32:28 AM: The cryptographic key was not found, Serialize by Router on NT2NOTES/ILS(Release 5.0.2c (Intl)|2 February 2000) at 07/14/2000 09:37:25 AM, Serialize complete at 07/14/2000 09:37:25 AM, Itemize by SMTP Server on ILSINET/ILS(Release 5.0.2c (Intl)|2 February 2000) at 07/14/2000 09:37:42 AM, Serialize by Router on ILSINET/ILS(Release 5.0.2c (Intl)|2 February 2000) at 07/14/2000 09:37:42 AM, Serialize complete at 07/14/2000 09:37:42 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks to all, a combination of "vmstat -1", "dmesg", and "systat -vm" gives me all that I need. Andy 07/13/2000 10:02 PM To: bgoering@ilsmart.com cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hardware Info On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 bgoering@ilsmart.com wrote: > Is there a way to get a map of the ports, irq, dma in use on a FreeBSD > system? Maybe information similar to what one sees in Windows device > manager. Does "vmstat -i" provide the detail for which you seek? -- | Andy | e-mail | web | | | andy@lewman.com | www.lewman.com | This fortune is false. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 8: 2:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C400537B53C; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:01:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p26-dn01kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.27]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id AAA19985; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:01:19 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <396F2B59.87E11B20@newsguy.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:01:45 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: so@server.i-clue.de Cc: so@server.ms-agentur.de, Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stable does not boot after make buildworld, ... Was: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels References: <396B76B0.D8BA4E02@i-clue.de> <396C6848.A4907221@newsguy.com> <396F18CC.6EB2304D@i-clue.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Christoph Sold wrote: > > IMHO, when big changes like aout-elf, or, recently, new tool chain tools > make changes to the build process unavoidable, /prominent/ hints for > stupid stable-only-readers like me should be placed everywhere*) -- in > case of aout->elf, I was warned, so that went through. This time I > plainly missed the warnings. This situation has been mishandled from the very beginning. People did the changes to current, where people are expected to be able to handle such things, and never really went back to make the situation acceptable for -stable users when -current became 4.x-stable. I warned, but people don't heed warnings, they heed patches. Sorry this caused you trouble. The instructions ought to be corrected, IMHO. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@a.crazy.bsdconspiracy.net "There is no spoon." -- Kiki To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 8:31:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca (jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca [142.177.1.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F3637BB1D for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:29:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cforger@aardvarkinc.com) Received: from TS2 ([142.177.198.11]) by jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-66967U86000L86000S0V35) with SMTP id ca for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:29:42 -0300 From: "Christopher Forgeron" To: Subject: Why does my installworld keep breaking here? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:29:41 -0300 Message-ID: <005f01bfeda8$549d3220$0200a8c0@aardvarkinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've been fighting with this for a while; I do a make installworld from my newly d/led CVS source tree. Here is the tail-end of my output. ===> lib/libcrypt install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 libscrypt.a /usr/lib install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 444 -fschg libscrypt.so.2 /usr/lib /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: install: Undefined symbol "strtofflags" *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/lib/libcrypt. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/lib. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 I have 4.0-RELEASE, and am trying to upgrade to 4.0-STABLE. I got the complete src/all from CVS (RELENG4), and I have, and have not gotten all the crypto, depending on my mood. I've done these before, and they worked. On this box, it's dying. Anything blindingly stupid that I'm forgetting? -- Christopher Forgeron Aardvark Computer Solutions, Inc. 2070 Oxford Street, Suite 200, Halifax, Nova Scotia. B3L-2T2 Tel: (902) 425-2686 Fax: (902) 425-1550 cforger@aardvarkinc.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 8:47:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vbs.victoriabank.md (host62.victoriabank.md [212.56.194.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0905737C964 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:47:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from palexey@victoriabank.md) Received: from lotus.pvt (lotus.pvt [192.168.2.4]) by vbs.victoriabank.md (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA20559 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:50:02 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from palexey@victoriabank.md) Received: by lotus.pvt(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id C225691C.0056A20C ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:46:15 +0300 X-Lotus-FromDomain: VICTORIABANK From: "Pavel Alexey" To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:46:11 +0300 Subject: Upgrade lots of machines Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I have few machines with RELEASE-4 and want to upgrade it to STABLE-4. Advisable method with mount /usr/src and /usr/obj from upgraded "master" I can't use. I can't do "buildworld" on it (see my previous letter) and I "make world", thus I'm not sure "installworld" will work. Moreover I must upgrade computers in DMZ (no NFS) and fast (can't disassemble and mount disk from "master"). I do next steps: 1. "make world" in sigle mode on one (scratch) computer. 2. make new /etc and /dev and "found" changes. 3. "make -DNOCLEAN -DETDIR=/MYTMP world" 4. copy new /modules to /MYTMP 5. tar and gzip all in MYTMP into newsys.tgz (about 40 mb) 6. "make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL" 7. Save newsys.tgz and new kernel. now I try 8. reinstall on this scratch computer RELEASE-4 9. copy sh tar gzip to /tmp 10. go in single-user mode. 11. cd /; exec /tmp/sh; /tmp/tar xvfz /tmp/newsys.tgz . All pass almost without error (tar can't create some simbolic links, because it already exist:-). Only /sbin/init was not overrided (in use). 12. install new kernel into / 13:-). reboot All seems to be fine. BUT: I do all this for a scratch computer and /sbin/init was not overrided. Can somebody tell me, what can occur wrong, if I try to do this for my "real" servers? With best wishes, Pavel Alexey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 9:49: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59D837C9C7 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:48:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p26-dn01kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.27]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id BAA16962; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:48:09 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <396F4463.978AE0DA@newsguy.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:48:35 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Knowles Cc: Peter van Heusden , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target tomake your kernels References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brad Knowles wrote: > > At 1:29 PM +0200 2000/7/11, Peter van Heusden wrote: > > > My only (minor) concern, from a useability point of view, is that there is > > no default BUILDKERNEL value - shouldn't it default to GENERIC if nothing > > else is specified? That way you won't actually be able to do a > > 'buildkernel' without building a kernel. > > Hmm. Good idea. Until then, this needs to be mentioned in the > documentation. Notice that KERNEL can be set from make.conf, and there is a default in there. Either it is commented out, or the complain just apply to the first time around, before running mergemaster. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@a.crazy.bsdconspiracy.net "There is no spoon." -- Kiki To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 10: 4: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.lewman.org (lowrider.lewman.org [209.67.240.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F242937B554 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:03:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from deimos@lewman.com) Received: by mail.lewman.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 723033D36; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lewman.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62AFB5BC1 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:03:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy X-Sender: deimos@lowrider.lewman.org Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hardware Info In-Reply-To: <14703.9105.451095.477926@onceler.kcilink.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Vivek Khera wrote: > >> Is there a way to get a map of the ports, irq, dma in use on a FreeBSD > >> system? Maybe information similar to what one sees in Windows device > >> manager. > > A> Does "vmstat -i" provide the detail for which you seek? > > That doesn't list ports and DMA. Try "cat /var/run/dmesg.boot" and > read through it. He mentioned "in use". Is there a way to get similar output to vmstat -i for ports and dma? -- | Andy | e-mail | web | | | andy@lewman.com | www.lewman.com | The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 10:16:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19EA437C904; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:15:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from foo.osd.bsdi.com (root@foo.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.137]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14722; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:15:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by foo.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19701; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:14:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000714124536.J58846@lucifer.bart.nl> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Organization: BSD, Inc. From: John Baldwin To: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Subject: Re: bootdisk problems/md related Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 14-Jul-00 Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: > [jkh cc:'d since he's the release engineer] > > -On [20000714 12:25], Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven > (jruigrok@via-net-works.nl) wrote: >>So I decided to test the STABLE bootdisks. Downloaded the 7-12 ones and >>tried them on the laptop of a helldesker here. > > [snip] > >>I am testing this set on desktop now and see if it has the same problem. > > Same problem, this time more scribblings: Hrm.. boot disks from 7/13 worked fine for me on a local release that I built and installed. > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/md0c > md0: raw parition size != slice size > md0: start 0, end 855, size 856 > md0c: start 0, end 5759, size 5760 > md0: truncating new parition > md0: rejecting partition in BSD label: it isn't entirely within the slice > md0: start 0, end 855, size 856 > md0a: start 0, size 5759, size 5760 > spec_getpages: (#md/2) I/O read failure: (error 22) bp 0xc5f50420 vp > 0xcb307ec0 > size: 4096, resid: 4096, a_count: 4096, valid: 0x0 > nread: 0, reqpage: 0, pindex: 405, pcount: 1 > vm_fault: pager read error, pid 1 (swapper) > init died (signal 6, exit 0) > panic: going nowhere without my init! > > This is a showstopper for now. I'm building another release right now, I'll try and reproduce this when it finishes. > -- > Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator > VIA Net.Works The Netherlands > BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl > Only the good die young, all the evil seems to live forever... -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 10:21:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AFB737C877 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:20:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from foo.osd.bsdi.com (root@foo.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.137]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14849; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:19:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by foo.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19739; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:19:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Organization: BSD, Inc. From: John Baldwin To: Noor Dawod Subject: RE: Latest STABLE sources. Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 14-Jul-00 Noor Dawod wrote: > Hello, > > I've been reading last week's postings regarding STABLE sources, and I think > there were few bugs in it that were found, and patched, but others still > exist: > > 1. A compile error in make buildworld in lpcontrol. A patch was supplied. > 2. An install problem in make installworld, while installing perl5. Set > NO_PERL in /etc/make.conf to install correctly. Hrm, I haven't hit this. > 3. I believe there's a problem in /etc/defaults/rc.conf as it doesn't read > /etc/rc.conf correctly. I didn't find a post about this, and in my case at > least, the 'defaultrouter' and 'named_enable' parameters were not recognized > from /etc/rc.conf by /etc/defaults/rc.conf. Is this known? Umm, I've not seen this problem at all, can you be more specific? > That's it for now... Do you guys know for sure that the current STABLE > release is Ok now? > > Thanks, > Noor -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 10:47:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dns.comrax.com (dns.comrax.com [194.90.246.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F3037C692; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:47:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from noor@comrax.com) Received: by dns.comrax.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id B4C0C1C982; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:47:09 +0300 (IDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dns.comrax.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59BD16E02; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:47:09 +0300 (IDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:47:09 +0300 (IDT) From: To: John Baldwin Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Subject: RE: Latest STABLE sources. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, John Baldwin wrote: > > > > > 1. A compile error in make buildworld in lpcontrol. A patch was supplied. > > 2. An install problem in make installworld, while installing perl5. Set > > NO_PERL in /etc/make.conf to install correctly. > > Hrm, I haven't hit this. > You need to disable building and installing Perl5 in /etc/make.conf before successfully issuing 'make installworld'. Note: 'make buildworld' compiles Perl5 correctly. > > > 3. I believe there's a problem in /etc/defaults/rc.conf as it doesn't read > > /etc/rc.conf correctly. I didn't find a post about this, and in my case at > > least, the 'defaultrouter' and 'named_enable' parameters were not recognized > > from /etc/rc.conf by /etc/defaults/rc.conf. Is this known? > > Umm, I've not seen this problem at all, can you be more specific? > Sure. The following settings HAD to be specified in /etc/defaults/rc.conf to work, as putting them in /etc/rc.conf has no effect: defaultrouter="xx.yy.zz.1" hostname="dns.comrax.com" firewall_enable="YES" firewall_quiet="YES" named_enable="NO" named_program="/usr/sbin/named" named_flags="-u bind -g bind -b /etc/namedb/named.conf" portmap_enable="NO" sendmail_enable="NO" accounting_enable="YES" rtadvd_enable="NO" Also, the following settings DID work when putting them in /etc/rc.conf only: network_interfaces="xl0 lo0" ifconfig_xl0="inet 194.90.246.124 netmask 255.255.255.0" ifconfig_xl0_alias0="inet xx.yy.zz.10 netmask 0xffffffff" . . ifconfig_xl0_alias6="inet xx.yy.zz.70 netmask 0xffffffff" The 'xx.yy.zz.*' are of course IP numbers. uname -a yields: FreeBSD dns.domainname.com 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Thu Jul 13 19:03:47 IDT 2000 root@dns.domainname.com:/home/obj/usr/src/sys/WWW i386 Noor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 10:52:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE7A37BBA8 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:52:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from foo.osd.bsdi.com (root@foo.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.137]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15781 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:52:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by foo.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20009 for stable@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:51:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Organization: BSD, Inc. From: John Baldwin To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: CFT: boot patch for 4.x Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hey all, I would really like to get the new boot0 into -stable in time for 4.1, but I'd like a few folks to test it out and get some feedback before I do. You can find the patch at http://people.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/boot0.rel4.patch. The patch is relative to /usr/src, so to apply it: # cd /usr/src # patch < where_ever_the_patch_file_lives/boot0.rel4.patch Then either make a new world or rebuild the utilities your self. You can then use boot0cfg or fdisk to install the new boot0 boot manager. Thanks. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 11:42:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bman.uucom.com (bman.uucom.com [198.202.217.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE06637B8F9 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:42:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dakota@tangerine.uucom.com) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (tangerine.uucom.com [198.202.217.38]) by bman.uucom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/990218bjb) with ESMTP id OAA29054; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tangerine.uucom.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05107; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007141843.OAA05107@tangerine.uucom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: mike ryan Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, larse@ISI.EDU, joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu From: mwhalen@uucom.com Subject: Re: vmware2 and xfree86-4.0.1 In-Reply-To: Message from mike ryan of "Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:26:35 EDT." <20000713122635.A67937@medianstrip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:43:15 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think I heard mike ryan say: >On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 11:44:17AM -0400, Matthew Whalen wrote: >> >> I have a new machine that I'm trying to configure. It's very similar >> to my regular home machine (PIII 700 vs K7 700). They both run >> 4.0-stable (home was build last about 1 month ago, new machine yesterday). >> I have xf86 4 on this new machine, and 3 at home. >> >> My vmware on the new machine dies cathing with a SIGSEGV and "Abort trap" >> being printed to the screen. I know that vmware doesn't officially support >> XF86 4, but this doesn't really sound a lot like an Xserver problem >> to me. There isn't much in the vmware log to note. Has anyone tried >> vmware2 with XF86 4 yet? If so, did you get the same result? Is there >> something else going on? > >i've had the same result. i'm also running 4.0-stable built within >the last few days and xfree86 4.0.1, on a sony vaio z505hs laptop. > >on my system at least, there appears to be a correlation with disk >modes -- virtual machines configured with raw disks abort on boot, >virtual machines with virtual disks work fine. Thank you. This fixed the problem. I wonder why a new release of X would break disk access... I guess I'll wait a while before upgrading at home since I have my virtual machine installed on a raw disk partition so that I could boot NT >ick< if I wanted to outside of VMware. -matthew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 11:55:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FE237B856 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:55:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16886; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:55:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200007141855.LAA16886@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Hardware Info In-Reply-To: <200007140340.NAA29955@lightning.itga.com.au> from Gregory Bond at "Jul 14, 2000 01:40:19 pm" To: gnb@itga.com.au (Gregory Bond) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bgoering@ilsmart.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Is there a way to get a map of the ports, irq, dma in use on a FreeBSD > > system? > > For IRQs, use systat -vm or vmstat -i. Actually that works poorly in todays world of shared IRQ resources: rgrimes {104}% vmstat -i dc0 irq15 5189147 71 dc1 irq14 6570342 90 mux irq11 20937873 289 mux irq10 25513282 352 Now just what is on irq10 and 11??? A better way is: grep -i irq /var/run/dmesg.boot grep -i drq /var/run/dmesg.boot -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 11:57:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A7D37B51C for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:57:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17023; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:57:05 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: mwhalen@uucom.com Cc: mike ryan , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, larse@ISI.EDU, joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu Subject: Re: vmware2 and xfree86-4.0.1 Message-ID: <20000714115705.A15590@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <200007141843.OAA05107@tangerine.uucom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <200007141843.OAA05107@tangerine.uucom.com>; from mwhalen@uucom.com on Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 02:43:15PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 02:43:15PM -0400, mwhalen@uucom.com wrote: > Thank you. This fixed the problem. I wonder why a new release of X would > break disk access... I guess I'll wait a while before upgrading at home > since I have my virtual machine installed on a raw disk partition so > that I could boot NT >ick< if I wanted to outside of VMware. I don't think it's X. I'm seeing the same problem on a Jun 14th -current running xfree86-3.3.6. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 12:13:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC4E37C239 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:13:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA02192; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:13:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-73.max1.wa.cyberlynk.net(207.227.118.73) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma002186; Fri Jul 14 14:13:20 2000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20000714141204.00b293f0@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:12:32 -0500 To: Doug Barton From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: NOUUCP knob MFC? Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <396ED753.2D6A8188@gorean.org> References: <4.3.2.20000713094618.00abdf00@mixcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 02:03 AM 7/14/00 -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >"Jeffrey J. Mountin" wrote: > > > > 'Twas commited to -current back on 3/20 and has yet to be MFC'd. So long I > > forgot. Would be nice before 4.1R. 8-) > > If anyone is interested, I have patches to do this for all 3 > branches, >which include a more complete nuke'ifying of uucp, including the files in >/etc. Then please for them for review. Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 12:29:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 618) id 1C0F837CAF0; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: RX problems with Macronix ethernet cards In-Reply-To: from Bryan Liesner at "Jul 13, 2000 09:33:26 pm" To: bleez@bellatlantic.net (Bryan Liesner) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Cc: grog@lemis.com, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000714192905.1C0F837CAF0@hub.freebsd.org> From: wpaul@FreeBSD.ORG (Bill Paul) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, based in the info I've received, I've generated a patch for if_dc.c and if_dcreg.h, which I'm including with this e-mail. It should work on both -current and -stable, possibly with a little noise on -stable. I added flags to select the hash table width and a check for the MX98715AEC-C and later chip revs. Please test this patch and let me know how it works (or fails to work, as the case may be). To apply the patch: - Save this mail to /tmp/mx.patch - Become root - Go to /sys/pci - Type: patch < /tmp/mx.patch - Make a new kernel and/or if_dc.ko module. -Bill *** if_dc.c.orig Fri Jul 14 12:16:20 2000 --- if_dc.c Thu Jul 13 22:18:30 2000 *************** *** 184,189 **** --- 184,191 ---- { DC_VENDORID_MX, DC_DEVICEID_987x5, "Macronix 98715/98715A 10/100BaseTX" }, { DC_VENDORID_MX, DC_DEVICEID_987x5, + "Macronix 98715AEC-C 10/100BaseTX" }, + { DC_VENDORID_MX, DC_DEVICEID_987x5, "Macronix 98725 10/100BaseTX" }, { DC_VENDORID_LO, DC_DEVICEID_82C115, "LC82C115 PNIC II 10/100BaseTX" }, *************** *** 899,906 **** } #define DC_POLY 0xEDB88320 ! #define DC_BITS 9 ! #define DC_BITS_PNIC_II 7 static u_int32_t dc_crc_le(sc, addr) struct dc_softc *sc; --- 901,909 ---- } #define DC_POLY 0xEDB88320 ! #define DC_BITS_512 9 ! #define DC_BITS_128 7 ! #define DC_BITS_64 6 static u_int32_t dc_crc_le(sc, addr) struct dc_softc *sc; *************** *** 916,926 **** crc = (crc >> 1) ^ (((crc ^ data) & 1) ? DC_POLY : 0); } ! /* The hash table on the PNIC II is only 128 bits wide. */ ! if (DC_IS_PNICII(sc)) ! return (crc & ((1 << DC_BITS_PNIC_II) - 1)); ! return (crc & ((1 << DC_BITS) - 1)); } /* --- 919,936 ---- crc = (crc >> 1) ^ (((crc ^ data) & 1) ? DC_POLY : 0); } ! /* ! * The hash table on the PNIC II and the MX98715AEC-C/D/E ! * chips is only 128 bits wide. ! */ ! if (sc->dc_flags & DC_128BIT_HASH) ! return (crc & ((1 << DC_BITS_128) - 1)); ! ! /* The hash table on the MX98715BEC is only 64 bits wide. */ ! if (sc->dc_flags & DC_64BIT_HASH) ! return (crc & ((1 << DC_BITS_64) - 1)); ! return (crc & ((1 << DC_BITS_512) - 1)); } /* *************** *** 1345,1350 **** --- 1355,1363 ---- rev >= DC_REVISION_98713A) t++; if (t->dc_did == DC_DEVICEID_987x5 && + rev >= DC_REVISION_98715AEC_C) + t++; + if (t->dc_did == DC_DEVICEID_987x5 && rev >= DC_REVISION_98725) t++; if (t->dc_did == DC_DEVICEID_AX88140A && *************** *** 1552,1564 **** break; case DC_DEVICEID_987x5: case DC_DEVICEID_EN1217: sc->dc_type = DC_TYPE_987x5; sc->dc_flags |= DC_TX_POLL|DC_TX_USE_TX_INTR; sc->dc_flags |= DC_REDUCED_MII_POLL|DC_21143_NWAY; break; case DC_DEVICEID_82C115: sc->dc_type = DC_TYPE_PNICII; ! sc->dc_flags |= DC_TX_POLL|DC_TX_USE_TX_INTR; sc->dc_flags |= DC_REDUCED_MII_POLL|DC_21143_NWAY; break; case DC_DEVICEID_82C168: --- 1565,1587 ---- break; case DC_DEVICEID_987x5: case DC_DEVICEID_EN1217: + /* + * Macronix MX98715AEC-C/D/E parts have only a + * 128-bit hash table. We need to deal with these + * in the same manner as the PNIC II so that we + * get the right number of bits out of the + * CRC routine. + */ + if (revision >= DC_REVISION_98715AEC_C && + revision < DC_REVISION_98725) + sc->dc_flags |= DC_128BIT_HASH; sc->dc_type = DC_TYPE_987x5; sc->dc_flags |= DC_TX_POLL|DC_TX_USE_TX_INTR; sc->dc_flags |= DC_REDUCED_MII_POLL|DC_21143_NWAY; break; case DC_DEVICEID_82C115: sc->dc_type = DC_TYPE_PNICII; ! sc->dc_flags |= DC_TX_POLL|DC_TX_USE_TX_INTR|DC_128BIT_HASH; sc->dc_flags |= DC_REDUCED_MII_POLL|DC_21143_NWAY; break; case DC_DEVICEID_82C168: *** if_dcreg.h.orig Fri Jul 14 12:16:20 2000 --- if_dcreg.h Thu Jul 13 22:03:05 2000 *************** *** 672,677 **** --- 672,679 ---- #define DC_REDUCED_MII_POLL 0x00000200 #define DC_TX_INTR_ALWAYS 0x00000400 #define DC_21143_NWAY 0x00000800 + #define DC_128BIT_HASH 0x00001000 + #define DC_64BIT_HASH 0x00002000 /* * register space access macros *************** *** 714,719 **** --- 716,722 ---- #define DC_REVISION_98713 0x00 #define DC_REVISION_98713A 0x10 #define DC_REVISION_98715 0x20 + #define DC_REVISION_98715AEC_C 0x25 #define DC_REVISION_98725 0x30 /* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 12:29:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFCE237BED2 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:29:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA02296; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:29:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-73.max1.wa.cyberlynk.net(207.227.118.73) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma002290; Fri Jul 14 14:29:14 2000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20000714141854.00bd24d0@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:28:24 -0500 To: "Rodney W. Grimes" From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: NOUUCP knob MFC? Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200007131605.JAA12677@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> References: <4.3.2.20000713094618.00abdf00@mixcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 09:05 AM 7/13/00 -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > Can mtree deal with 'if' statements? >No, but cpp or m4 can, ahhh..heck... just use unifdef: > >unifdef -DNOUUCP unifdef -DNOUUCP ... > >Then you can sprinkle #ifdef/#ifndef/#else/#endif around what >should/should not be needed, ie: > >#ifndef NOUUCP > uucp uname=uucp gname=uucp mode=0770 > .. >#endif Wonder if Doug did something similar with src/etc/Makefile. A simple enough change. > > Simple enough to blow away a > > directory or modify the files, but it would be cleaner if the knobs would > > be able to modify mtree's behavior. > >Agreed... and rather then add yet another feature to mtree use the >small but eligant tools already provided. The next step would be to advise of cruft left around after turning on knobs. Something mergemaster could be expanded to do. Shouldn't happen automagically. One can be prompted and have a choice of options or like mergemaster currently does for files that only exist in the installed system. A good enchancement and one step closer to a truly modular system. Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 12:38:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2EF37B6B1 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:38:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from foo.osd.bsdi.com (root@foo.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.137]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20144; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:38:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by foo.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA61459; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:37:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:37:47 -0700 (PDT) Organization: BSD, Inc. From: John Baldwin To: noor@comrax.com Subject: RE: Latest STABLE sources. Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 14-Jul-00 noor@comrax.com wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, John Baldwin wrote: > >> >> > >> > 1. A compile error in make buildworld in lpcontrol. A patch was supplied. >> > 2. An install problem in make installworld, while installing perl5. Set >> > NO_PERL in /etc/make.conf to install correctly. >> >> Hrm, I haven't hit this. >> > > You need to disable building and installing Perl5 in /etc/make.conf > before successfully issuing 'make installworld'. Note: 'make buildworld' > compiles Perl5 correctly. It's worked fine for me. Assuming that you mean you can build and install world with Perl5 enabled. >> > 3. I believe there's a problem in /etc/defaults/rc.conf as it doesn't read >> > /etc/rc.conf correctly. I didn't find a post about this, and in my case at >> > least, the 'defaultrouter' and 'named_enable' parameters were not >> > recognized >> > from /etc/rc.conf by /etc/defaults/rc.conf. Is this known? >> >> Umm, I've not seen this problem at all, can you be more specific? >> > > Sure. The following settings HAD to be specified in > /etc/defaults/rc.conf to work, as putting them in /etc/rc.conf has no > effect: > > defaultrouter="xx.yy.zz.1" > hostname="dns.comrax.com" > firewall_enable="YES" > firewall_quiet="YES" > named_enable="NO" > named_program="/usr/sbin/named" > named_flags="-u bind -g bind -b /etc/namedb/named.conf" > portmap_enable="NO" > sendmail_enable="NO" > accounting_enable="YES" > rtadvd_enable="NO" Umm, well, named is disabled by default. :) I'll play around with this some more, but I haven't had any problems like this. Do you have a specific date when they started? > Also, the following settings DID work when putting them in /etc/rc.conf > only: > > network_interfaces="xl0 lo0" > ifconfig_xl0="inet 194.90.246.124 netmask 255.255.255.0" > ifconfig_xl0_alias0="inet xx.yy.zz.10 netmask 0xffffffff" > . > . > ifconfig_xl0_alias6="inet xx.yy.zz.70 netmask 0xffffffff" > > The 'xx.yy.zz.*' are of course IP numbers. > > uname -a yields: > > FreeBSD dns.domainname.com 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #0: Thu Jul 13 > 19:03:47 IDT 2000 root@dns.domainname.com:/home/obj/usr/src/sys/WWW > i386 > > Noor > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 12:40: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3387037C239; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:40:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from foo.osd.bsdi.com (root@foo.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.137]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20174; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:39:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by foo.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA62082; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:39:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Organization: BSD, Inc. From: John Baldwin To: John Baldwin Subject: RE: CFT: boot patch for 4.x Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 14-Jul-00 John Baldwin wrote: > Hey all, > > I would really like to get the new boot0 into -stable in time > for 4.1, but I'd like a few folks to test it out and get some > feedback before I do. You can find the patch at > http://people.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/boot0.rel4.patch. The > patch is relative to /usr/src, so to apply it: > ># cd /usr/src ># patch < where_ever_the_patch_file_lives/boot0.rel4.patch > > Then either make a new world or rebuild the utilities your > self. You can then use boot0cfg or fdisk to install the new > boot0 boot manager. Thanks. At least one person has reported having problems with a SCSI disk with an AHA 2940 controller, so you may want to be extra careful when testing on SCSI. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 13:43:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dt052n3e.san.rr.com (dt052n3e.san.rr.com [204.210.33.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B2D637BA02 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:43:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from slave (doug@slave [10.0.0.1]) by dt052n3e.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA35222 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:43:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:43:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton X-Sender: doug@dt052n3e.san.rr.com To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NOUUCP knob and /etc/uucp (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/Mixed; BOUNDARY=------------B2C54E06DBDCDFC7EE18FB58 Content-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --------------B2C54E06DBDCDFC7EE18FB58 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Several people asked for this, so here it is. This is a copy of an email I sent back in March when this first came up. I haven't tested the patches in a while, but they are mostly one liners anyway so it wouldn't be hard to replicate my work. I've run with these patches on machines in all 3 branches, both in production and at home since late March and haven't had a lick of trouble. Doug -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 03:43:21 -0800 From: Doug Barton Subject: Re: NOUUCP knob and /etc/uucp Ok, here's the scoop. I tested the following on both 4.0 and 3.4 -Stable's, and it works (of course :). I've attached the appropriate patches for the various builds. bin_Makefile.diff is for rmail, and applies to all 3 branches. This one was easy since rmail is already conditionalized. The attached patches deal completely with all the uucp files in /etc. You already applied src/gnu/libexec/Makefile patch applies to all 3 branches. I had to do the src/libexec patch by hand for 3.4 since the Makefile structure is different, but it works. I tested both with and without the NOUUCP flag, so I think we're good to go. Anything else I can do to help, let me know. Doug -- "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. 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X-Request-Do: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:48:34 +0100 From: David Malone Message-ID: <200007142148.aa83035@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've just changed the daily security secipt to include the inode numbers of suid files. This means the first time you run the updated script you will see lots of files have "changed" - this is just the inclusion of the inode numbers in the listing. David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 14: 8:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-177-51.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.177.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDD737B950 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:08:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05725; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:17:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200007142117.OAA05725@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Andy Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hardware Info In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:03:39 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:17:05 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Vivek Khera wrote: > > > >> Is there a way to get a map of the ports, irq, dma in use on a FreeBSD > > >> system? Maybe information similar to what one sees in Windows device > > >> manager. > > > > A> Does "vmstat -i" provide the detail for which you seek? > > > > That doesn't list ports and DMA. Try "cat /var/run/dmesg.boot" and > > read through it. > > He mentioned "in use". Is there a way to get similar output to > vmstat -i for ports and dma? No; there are at this point in time no tools to obtain resource ownership information from the resource manager. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 14:10:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from foobie.net (adsl-216-103-105-178.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.103.105.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B65B637BA02 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:10:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbeitzel@foobie.net) Received: (from sbeitzel@localhost) by foobie.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA53522 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:10:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbeitzel) From: Stephen Beitzel Message-Id: <200007142110.OAA53522@foobie.net> Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target tomake your kernels To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:10:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Notice that KERNEL can be set from make.conf, and there is a default in > there. Hmm. I just took a look in /etc/make.conf and in /etc/defaults/make.conf and couldn't find it, commented out or no. I am something of a novice when it comes to the source tree, so I only looked in /usr/src/share/etc to find the master make.conf (and it's not there). Where should I be looking to find this default? Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 16:31:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (ha1.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B60E37C43A for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:31:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by mail.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000714233059.BSJH11071.mail.rdc1.il.home.com@math.missouri.edu>; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:30:59 -0700 Message-ID: <396FA26C.7D96D34@math.missouri.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:29:48 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Forgeron , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why does my installworld keep breaking here? References: <005f01bfeda8$549d3220$0200a8c0@aardvarkinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had a similar problem. I think it happens when you try to upgrade to a recent 4.0-stable from a 4.0-release. In the end I fixed it by copying the binary of install from another computer that had a recent build on it. I'll email you one if you like. Then just replace your current install with this new one. It is really a problem with your install - you can check this by simply typing install -fschg which will produce the same error message. ANother way you could fix it is by going through all the Makefiles (and bsd.lib.mk) in your src tree deleting every occurence of -fschg. I started on this route, but it seemed to take a long time. Another approach would be to look through the obj tree and try and find the new copy of install that should be installed, but as much as I looked for it, I just couldn't find it. Perhaps the makefiles should be modified so that they always use the new install program in the obj tree rather than /usr/bin/install. Christopher Forgeron wrote: > > Hi, I've been fighting with this for a while; > > I do a make installworld from my newly d/led CVS source tree. Here is the > tail-end of my output. > > ===> lib/libcrypt > install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 libscrypt.a /usr/lib > install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 444 -fschg libscrypt.so.2 /usr/lib > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: install: Undefined symbol "strtofflags" > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src/lib/libcrypt. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src/lib. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 > > I have 4.0-RELEASE, and am trying to upgrade to 4.0-STABLE. I got the > complete src/all from CVS (RELENG4), and I have, and have not gotten all the > crypto, depending on my mood. > > I've done these before, and they worked. On this box, it's dying. > > Anything blindingly stupid that I'm forgetting? > > -- > Christopher Forgeron > Aardvark Computer Solutions, Inc. > 2070 Oxford Street, Suite 200, Halifax, Nova Scotia. B3L-2T2 > Tel: (902) 425-2686 Fax: (902) 425-1550 > cforger@aardvarkinc.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith Department of Mathematics, University of Missouri, Columbia, MO 65211 Phone 573-882-4540, fax 573-882-1869 http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen stephen@math.missouri.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 16:38:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E8437C44B for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:38:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p26-dn01kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.27]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id IAA19215; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:38:38 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <396FA496.5BDEDC9D@newsguy.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:39:02 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Beitzel Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target tomake your kernels References: <200007142110.OAA53522@foobie.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stephen Beitzel wrote: > > Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > Notice that KERNEL can be set from make.conf, and there is a default in > > there. > > Hmm. I just took a look in /etc/make.conf and in /etc/defaults/make.conf > and couldn't find it, commented out or no. I am something of a novice when > it comes to the source tree, so I only looked in /usr/src/share/etc to find > the master make.conf (and it's not there). Where should I be looking to > find this default? Actually, I can't find any signs of it any longer. Perhaps I saw such a suggestion on UPDATING instead of seeing it on make.conf, though I was pretty sure I *had* seen it on make.conf. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@a.crazy.bsdconspiracy.net "There is no spoon." -- Kiki To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 17: 2:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay1.inwind.it (relay1.inwind.it [212.141.53.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7D537C5EC for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:02:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bartequi@inwind.it) Received: from bartequi.ottodomain.org (212.141.78.20) by relay1.inwind.it; 15 Jul 2000 02:02:12 +0200 From: Salvo Bartolotta Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:03:10 GMT Message-ID: <20000715.1031000@bartequi.ottodomain.org> Subject: kernel-building praxis To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: SuperCalifragilis X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear FreeBSD'ers, I have just upgraded to 4.1-RC successfully -- sources as of few hours=20 ago.=20 Incidentally, a 'make kernel=3DWHATEVER build/installkernel' actually=20 built /GENERIC, but this is a minor/negligible issue: I rebuilt my=20 customized kernel in the old standard way. I am a little disorient[at]ed albeit I have made a few efforts to=20 track the [endless] discussion of the past few days :-) My understanding was that the build/installkernel procedure served the=20 purpose of making **major** transitions possible, whether or not a=20 major RELEASE upgrade was involved; whereas the well-known "classical"=20 procedure could be used in all other cases/situations. In particular,=20 the "classical" procedure could be employed after ordinary source=20 upgrades. From now on, am I supposed to be systematically using "make=20 build/installkernel each and every time I cvsup my sources ? What=20 [have I missed/] am I missing ?=20 Thanks in advance & best regards, Salvo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 17:27:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zipcode.corp.home.net (zipcode.corp.home.net [24.0.26.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B9937B5B9 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:27:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from manek@nwserv.com) Received: from after (shiva-user37.corp.home.net [24.0.8.167]) by zipcode.corp.home.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA17880 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:27:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Sameer R. Manek" To: Subject: learning the APM voodoo Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:27:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What is the trick to getting apm support working? I have an ASUS P3B-F and a Dell Latitude. Neither seem to want to play nicely Both systems see this during boot up: chip1: port 0xe800-0xe80f at device 4.3 on pci0 I have device apm0 at nexus? disable flags 0x20 # Advanced Power Management in my config file, although I'm not able to get it to work. Any suggestions? Sameer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 17:33:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9596837B684 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:33:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@cup.hp.com) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel3.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C805100A; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (gauss.cup.hp.com [15.28.97.152]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id RAA04965; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <396FB166.5B09AC65@cup.hp.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:33:42 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Cc: Christopher Forgeron , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why does my installworld keep breaking here? References: <005f01bfeda8$549d3220$0200a8c0@aardvarkinc.com> <396FA26C.7D96D34@math.missouri.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > Perhaps the makefiles should be modified so that they > always use the new install program in the obj tree rather > than /usr/bin/install. Yes. We currently use the binaries we installed during an installworld. This is wrong. It's a known problem and will be fixed. -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 17:35: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pawn.primelocation.net (pawn.primelocation.net [205.161.238.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D12C37B684 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:35:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdf.lists@fxp.org) Received: by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix, from userid 1016) id 5CBAF9B1C; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512FEBA11; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:35:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chris D. Faulhaber" X-Sender: cdf.lists@pawn.primelocation.net To: "Sameer R. Manek" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: learning the APM voodoo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Sameer R. Manek wrote: > What is the trick to getting apm support working? I have an ASUS P3B-F and a > Dell Latitude. Neither seem to want to play nicely > > Both systems see this during boot up: > chip1: port 0xe800-0xe80f at > device 4.3 on pci0 > > I have > device apm0 at nexus? disable flags 0x20 # Advanced Power > Management remove 'disable' to enable --^^^^^^ (and you may not/probably don't need the flags either (see apm(4))) ----- Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 17:35:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-177-51.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.177.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E10A37C65E for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:35:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10207; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:44:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200007150044.RAA10207@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Sameer R. Manek" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: learning the APM voodoo In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:27:25 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:44:21 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > What is the trick to getting apm support working? I have an ASUS P3B-F and a > Dell Latitude. Neither seem to want to play nicely > > Both systems see this during boot up: > chip1: port 0xe800-0xe80f at > device 4.3 on pci0 > > I have > device apm0 at nexus? disable flags 0x20 # Advanced Power > Management > in my config file, although I'm not able to get it to work. > > Any suggestions? Read the 'apm0' line again, VERY CAREFULLY. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 18:15:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dt052n3e.san.rr.com (dt052n3e.san.rr.com [204.210.33.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B8337C0F4 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:15:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from slave (doug@slave [10.0.0.1]) by dt052n3e.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA37424; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:15:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:15:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton X-Sender: doug@dt052n3e.san.rr.com To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NOUUCP knob MFC? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.20000714141854.00bd24d0@207.227.119.2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > The next step would be to advise of cruft left around after turning on > knobs. Something mergemaster could be expanded to do. Shouldn't happen > automagically. One can be prompted and have a choice of options or like > mergemaster currently does for files that only exist in the installed > system. If you use mergemaster -v it will give you a report of files that exist in the installed /etc that don't exist in the temporary /etc, but the problem with that is that there are so many files that exist in the real system that aren't generated by /usr/src/etc/Makefile that it becomes very difficult to judge which should stay in any kind of automatic way. I suppose it wouldn't be too hard to generate a kind of hints file that says something like, "exports Needed for the machine to operate as an NFS server" or something like that. The problem would be keeping this file up to date, which I would not be willing to maintain. One of my design goals for mergemaster is to make it as system independent as possible, so that the worst case scenario is that the user is encouraged strongly to leave things alone. :) Doug -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 19: 5:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.pit.adelphia.net (alpha.pit.adelphia.net [24.48.44.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C938F37B7D9 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:05:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nturki@adelphia.net) Received: from Nader (pa-indiana1b-27.pit.adelphia.net [24.50.155.27]) by alpha.pit.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id WAA22945 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003e01bfee00$a24e14a0$1b9b3218@pit.adelphia.net> From: "Nader Turki" To: Subject: FreeBSD 4.1-RC Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:01:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there, I used cvsup upgrading to -STABLE I'm sure i used the 4.x-stable-supfile. But somehow when i do uname -a i get: [dark@Shell]:~$ uname -a FreeBSD Shell.Q8unix.com 4.1-RC FreeBSD 4.1-RC #0: Fri Jul 14 18:02:15 PDT 2000 dark@Shell.Q8unix.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/SHELL i386 Few weeks ago i did the same thing on my machine and got FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE. Can someone help me please. Thanks, Nader To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 19:29:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kci.kciLink.com (kci.kciLink.com [204.117.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E018C37B8F9 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:29:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: by kci.kciLink.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id DBA3FE8D3; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:29:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Vivek Khera MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14703.52365.833658.821153@kci.kciLink.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:29:33 -0400 (EDT) To: Andy Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hardware Info In-Reply-To: References: <14703.9105.451095.477926@onceler.kcilink.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 10) "Capitol Reef" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "A" == Andy writes: >> That doesn't list ports and DMA. Try "cat /var/run/dmesg.boot" and >> read through it. A> He mentioned "in use". Is there a way to get similar output to A> vmstat -i for ports and dma? Tell me how the devices mentioned in dmesg.boot as using a particular resource are not "in use". I don't get how they are not in use they are probed and activated during boot. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 19:35:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cage.simianscience.com (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27AB37B92F for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:35:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from chimp (chimp [192.168.0.2]) by cage.simianscience.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05500; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:34:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000714222847.03b904c8@mail.sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@mail.sentex.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:29:45 -0400 To: "Nader Turki" , From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.1-RC In-Reply-To: <003e01bfee00$a24e14a0$1b9b3218@pit.adelphia.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:01 PM 7/14/2000 -0400, Nader Turki wrote: >Hi there, >I used cvsup upgrading to -STABLE I'm sure i used the 4.x-stable-supfile. >But somehow when i do uname -a i get: Thats normal. As 4.0 STABLE gets ready to become 4.1R and then 4.1 STABLE, RC (for Release Candidate) is put in the name. ---Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Network Administration, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 19:52: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hecky.it.northwestern.edu (hecky.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AFCD37BB51 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:52:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djkanter@northwestern.edu) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by hecky.it.northwestern.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA13558; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:51:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (areca-29-028097.nuts.nwu.edu [165.124.28.97]) by hecky.acns.nwu.edu via smap (V2.0) id xmaa13521; Fri, 14 Jul 00 21:51:34 -0500 Received: (from david@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20294; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:27:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from david) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:27:01 -0500 From: "David J. Kanter" To: Stephen Beitzel Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target tomake your kernels Message-ID: <20000714212701.A20220@localhost.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: Stephen Beitzel , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200007142110.OAA53522@foobie.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200007142110.OAA53522@foobie.net>; from sbeitzel@foobie.net on Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 02:10:04PM -0700 X-Organization: Northwestern University X-Operating-System: FreeBSD localhost.localdomain 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 02:10:04PM -0700, Stephen Beitzel wrote: > Hmm. I just took a look in /etc/make.conf and in /etc/defaults/make.conf > and couldn't find it, commented out or no. ---end quoted text--- Wrong file. It's /boot/loader.conf. -- David Kanter djkanter@northwestern.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 19:53:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (ha1.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B6837C081 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:53:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by mail.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000715025307.IGAF11071.mail.rdc1.il.home.com@math.missouri.edu> for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:53:07 -0700 Message-ID: <396FD1CC.BB19CA16@math.missouri.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:51:56 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ssh problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just built a very recent version of stable-4.0. I find that as well as screen not working, that also ssh does not work: ssh xxxx Read from socket failed: Resource temporarily unavailable -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith Department of Mathematics, University of Missouri, Columbia, MO 65211 Phone 573-882-4540, fax 573-882-1869 http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen stephen@math.missouri.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 19:57:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C29037C16B; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:57:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from parish.my.domain ([62.255.96.51]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000715025720.CRPD16423.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@parish.my.domain>; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:57:20 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03444; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:57:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:57:14 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Bryan Bursey Cc: Brad Knowles , Kris Kennaway , "Chad R. Larson" , Marcel Moolenaar , grog@lemis.com, khera@kciLink.com, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels Message-ID: <20000715035714.E257@parish> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from bbmail@cfdnet.me.tuns.ca on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 06:10:48PM -0300 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 06:10:48PM -0300, Bryan Bursey wrote: > [snip] > > > > 1. If you have updated your sources, the process of building > > a kernel may depend on which version of certain tools may be > > installed. Therefore, the only safe way to build a kernel on such a > > machine is to do the following: > > > > make buildworld > > make buildkernel > > make installkernel > > shutdown (drop into single-user mode) > > make installworld > > mergemaster > > reboot > > > > These steps require that you have defined "KERNEL=WHATEVER" > > in /etc/make.conf. If you have not, you will need to add > > "kernel=WHATEVER" to the "make installkernel" command above. This > > will install the kernel /WHATEVER, and you will need to have > > "kernel=/WHATEVER" in /etc/bootloader.conf. > > > > 2. If you have not updated your sources and just want to > > rebuild the kernel with the sources you already have, use the > > standard procedure: > > > > config WHATEVER > > cd ../../compile/WHATEVER > > make depend > > make > > make install > > > > > > Note that the steps given in #1 above will install a copy of the > > GENERIC kernel. If you have a customized kernel, you'll need to > > follow those instructions to install the GENERIC kernel, and then > > follow the steps in #2 above to install your customized kernel. > > > > This last paragraph sound wrong to me. If you've defined > 'KERNEL=SOMETHING', then it will build the kernel defined by the SOMETHING > config file, and _not_ GENERIC. > I'm not sure exactly where to jump in here, but I've been following this thread with some interest as it was getting about time for me to rebuild the world. Anyway, just for the mail archives if nothing else, here goes.... I've just rebuilt the world starting at 20:00 BST 14/07 with sources cvsup'd at 19:30 BST. Based on info gleaned from this thread I did the following: Added makeoptions KERNEL=kernel to my kernel config file (PARISH), then dropped to single user and # cd / # cp kernel kernel.good # just to be on the safe side :) # cd /usr/src # make buildworld # make buildkernel KERNEL=PARISH # make installkernel KERNEL=PARISH [checked / and confirmed that the new kernel was installed as ``kernel'' and the original was now kernel.old] [reboot] # make installworld # mergemaster My system is running perfectly :) So, as I've come to expect of FreeBSD, it "just worked", and if *I* can do it then so can everyone else. For all those who've talked about the name the new kernel is installed as, I think the answer lies in the ``makeoptions'' line in the config file. Thanks to all who have contributed to this thread; I now have an up to date -STABLE system. > We might also want to include the specifics of the 'chflags' commands that > need to be issued for those that prefer not to modify /boot/loader.conf > and have the kernel named 'kernel'. > > Cheers, > Bryan > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- If I buy a copy of WinDelete, and it doesn't delete Windows, am I entitled to my money back? ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 19:59:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.lewman.org (lowrider.lewman.org [209.67.240.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C3537C036 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:59:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from deimos@lewman.com) Received: by mail.lewman.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1FC653D34; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lewman.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE2D5BC1; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:59:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy X-Sender: deimos@lowrider.lewman.org To: Vivek Khera Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hardware Info In-Reply-To: <14703.52365.833658.821153@kci.kciLink.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Vivek Khera wrote: > Tell me how the devices mentioned in dmesg.boot as using a particular > resource are not "in use". I don't get how they are not in use they > are probed and activated during boot. I use the dmesg.boot as allocated resources, but without counters how do you know how much they have been used? Sure you can estimate, but is there something such as vmstat -i for all allocated resources? Anyway, I guess the original question was answered. He requested a way to find out which resources have been allocated, as the windows device manager will show. -- | Andy | e-mail | web | | | andy@lewman.com | www.lewman.com | Q: Why do ducks have flat feet? A: To stamp out forest fires. Q: Why do elephants have flat feet? A: To stamp out flaming ducks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 20: 6:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (ha1.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6FE337B58E for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:06:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by mail.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000715030636.IQFD11071.mail.rdc1.il.home.com@math.missouri.edu> for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:06:36 -0700 Message-ID: <396FD4F4.3C85A44A@math.missouri.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:05:24 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: mouse is jerky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I did a make world for a recent version of stable 4.0 (like the day before yesterday). I am finding that the mouse movement is rather jerky. It is nothing to do with X because it happens in text mode also. Also, it is not a dirty roller in the mouse - the nature of the jerkiness makes that clear. Indeed, it seems in general that the computer is rather sluggish in how it changes from one task to another. So if I have several xterms in different virtual windows under X, and I change from one virtual window to another, there is a quite noticable time delay before the xterm becomes available. Indeed, even in text mode, there seems to be a perceptable delay getting tasks to start running. I am guessing that there were changes recently to the stuff that allocates computer time to the different tasks. I have to add that these observations are somewhat subjective. I am currently trying to load an earlier version of FreeBSD 4.0 but I am finding that make buildwork is not working on building an earlier version of FreeBSD 4.0. -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith Department of Mathematics, University of Missouri, Columbia, MO 65211 Phone 573-882-4540, fax 573-882-1869 http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen stephen@math.missouri.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 20:13:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (ha1.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B78F37BBD4 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:13:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by mail.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000715031350.IVRG11071.mail.rdc1.il.home.com@math.missouri.edu>; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:13:50 -0700 Message-ID: <396FD6A7.F8EAFE03@math.missouri.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:12:39 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, John Reynolds Subject: Re: ssh problems References: <396FD1CC.BB19CA16@math.missouri.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > I just built a very recent version of stable-4.0. I find that as > well as screen not working, that also ssh does not work: > OK, I figured out the problem. Someone suggested I try ssh -v and then it came clear. I was using ssh version 1 from the ports. After a make world it made openssh which made version 2. So when I typed ssh, I got /usr/bin/ssh instead of /usr/local/bin/ssh, which caused the problem. Sorry about that. Stephen -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith Department of Mathematics, University of Missouri, Columbia, MO 65211 Phone 573-882-4540, fax 573-882-1869 http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen stephen@math.missouri.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 20:15:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-177-51.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.177.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE2237C036 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:15:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00610; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:23:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200007150323.UAA00610@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Andy Cc: Vivek Khera , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hardware Info In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:59:37 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:23:51 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Vivek Khera wrote: > > > Tell me how the devices mentioned in dmesg.boot as using a particular > > resource are not "in use". I don't get how they are not in use they > > are probed and activated during boot. > > I use the dmesg.boot as allocated resources, but without counters > how do you know how much they have been used? Sure you can estimate, but > is there something such as vmstat -i for all allocated resources? Can you be more specific about "how much they have been used"? -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 20:31: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dt052n3e.san.rr.com (dt052n3e.san.rr.com [204.210.33.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B52737C1EA; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:30:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from slave (doug@slave [10.0.0.1]) by dt052n3e.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA39085; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:30:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:30:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton X-Sender: doug@dt052n3e.san.rr.com To: John Baldwin Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: CFT: boot patch for 4.x In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, John Baldwin wrote: > Hey all, > > I would really like to get the new boot0 into -stable in time > for 4.1, but I'd like a few folks to test it out and get some > feedback before I do. You can find the patch at > http://people.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/boot0.rel4.patch. The > patch is relative to /usr/src, so to apply it: > > # cd /usr/src > # patch < where_ever_the_patch_file_lives/boot0.rel4.patch > > Then either make a new world or rebuild the utilities your > self. You can then use boot0cfg or fdisk to install the new > boot0 boot manager. Thanks. I'm having a problem that isn't related to your patch, but that I'm hoping you or someone can shed some light on. I installed 4-Stable from the 7/6 snapshot onto some shiny new machines, and when I reboot them I get an error that says something to the effect of: (0x700):LBA No /boot/loader then the boot: prompt comes up a couple of times, it finds the kerrnel and boots anyway. I found this odd because there clearly IS a /boot/loader, and I haven't changed anything in /boot at all. I did a make world today and installed a custom kernel, no joy. I'm also getting the dreaded top: nlist failed error. I have the following for adapters: ahc0: port 0x2000-0x20ff mem 0xf4100000-0xf4100fff irq 19 at d evice 12.0 on pci0 ahc0: aic7896/97 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs ahc1: port 0x2400-0x24ff mem 0xf4101000-0xf4101fff irq 19 at d evice 12.1 on pci0 ahc1: aic7896/97 Wide Channel B, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs and this for disks: da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device da0: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 63, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 8755MB (17930694 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1116C) da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device da1: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 63, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da1: 8755MB (17930694 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1116C) I did the install with dangerously dedicated disks, which I know John is not a big fan of, but on the IBM SCSI drives I have in the other machines I have no problems of this sort whatsoever. I suppose I could try the install again with a real partition table, I just hate to waste all that config time. :-/ Any help appreciated. Doug -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 20:45:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.lewman.org (lowrider.lewman.org [209.67.240.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A9C37C1D6 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:45:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from deimos@lewman.com) Received: by mail.lewman.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C319B3D34; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lewman.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D0E5BC1 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:45:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy X-Sender: deimos@lowrider.lewman.org Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hardware Info In-Reply-To: <200007150323.UAA00610@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Mike Smith wrote: > > I use the dmesg.boot as allocated resources, but without counters > > how do you know how much they have been used? Sure you can estimate, but > > is there something such as vmstat -i for all allocated resources? > > Can you be more specific about "how much they have been used"? vmstat -i generates the following on my system: interrupt total rate clk0 irq0 19762681 99 rtc0 irq8 25293658 127 pci irq10 418418 2 wdc0 irq14 964519 4 Total 46439276 234 Is it possible to include DMA, I/O, and other counts in the output? And before someone states the obvious, I'm not an expert on resource usage in BSD, and my c skills are lacking to the point where reading the source would take me a long time. -- | Andy | e-mail | web | | | andy@lewman.com | www.lewman.com | One seldom sees a monument to a committee. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 21:59:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8FF37C2F0 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:59:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18595; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:59:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200007150459.VAA18595@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Hardware Info In-Reply-To: from Andy at "Jul 14, 2000 11:45:19 pm" To: deimos@lewman.com (Andy) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > I use the dmesg.boot as allocated resources, but without counters > > > how do you know how much they have been used? Sure you can estimate, but > > > is there something such as vmstat -i for all allocated resources? > > > > Can you be more specific about "how much they have been used"? > > vmstat -i generates the following on my system: > > interrupt total rate > clk0 irq0 19762681 99 > rtc0 irq8 25293658 127 > pci irq10 418418 2 > wdc0 irq14 964519 4 > Total 46439276 234 > > Is it possible to include DMA, I/O, and other counts in the > output? Possible, humm..., well, let me see... hummm... you could get I/O port usage statistics on an X86 arch machine by using the I/O access protection bits to cause a trap every time an I/O instruction was executed, count the event in an array and then allow the I/O to complete. Technical possibility of doing this in FreeBSD is near zero, it's overhead would be huge and IIRC you can't use the IOPL stuff in kernel mode, which is where FreeBSD does almost all of it's I/O. (I think the exception here is XFree86 which opens /dev/io such that it has direct I/O access from userland to execute io instructions to the video hardware.) For the DRQ counts I don't know of any way to count actual drq cycles, as those occur in hardware external to the CPU, but you could instrument isa/isa_dma.c to count things like isa_dmastart and isa_dmadone calls, and given that these have the bytes transfered you could come up with the drq cycle counts. > And before someone states the obvious, I'm not an expert on > resource usage in BSD, and my c skills are lacking to the point where > reading the source would take me a long time. For the drq cycles start hacking around in sys/i386/isa/isa_dma.c. -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jul 14 23:36:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gofur.oct.co.za (gofur.oct.co.za [196.31.78.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE2537C414 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:36:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@oct.co.za) Received: from alrpc (alrpc.oct.co.za [196.31.72.106]) by gofur.oct.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA43519 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:36:06 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from tony@oct.co.za) Message-ID: <004b01bfee26$a7399540$6a481fc4@oct.co.za> Reply-To: "Antony Russell" From: "Antony Russell" To: Subject: natd and VPN client Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:33:56 +0200 Organization: at Home MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi I am trying to get the IntraPort VPN Client (from Compatible Systems Corporation) software working thru FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE using natd. Using the -v option to natd I have discovered that the connection is setup correctly using UDP. Thereafter the VPN client tries to communicate with the VPN software with protocol 50 which is defined as ESP (Encapsulating Security Payload) in the protocols file. Unfortunately natd does not perform any translation on ESP packets and the VPN connection then fails. Can anyone out there tell me why natd behaves like this and if it would be possible to change this behaviour. Alternatively, is there another natd like application that I could use instead. Thanks Tony Russell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 0: 2:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7055A37BC11 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:02:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA00633 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:02:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:02:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: stable@Freebsd.org Subject: HANDS OFF! KAME merge in progress Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just a note to the world not to cvsup for the next few hours until I give the all-clear: I'm about to bring back the latest KAME code into -stable, which will require a buildworld to test I haven't missed any new files. I will mail again once I believe the integration to be complete. Thanks for your cooperation! Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 1:48: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B0137BD0D for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:47:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e6F8liH45154 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:47:44 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <200007150847.e6F8liH45154@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: ed0 and isa cards on 4.x To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:47:44 +0200 (SAT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Have anyone 4.x working with an ISA card and the ed0 device? I can't believe that it can be broken for so long without anyone noticing. I have been using 4.x on lots of machines here, but all of them with pci ethernet cards. I have tried to install a recent 4.0 snap on a machine with a SMC8216 card, but everytime I got the dreaded "ed0 device timeout" message. I have tried different interrupts, changed cards, but nothing helped. I even tried it on another machine and had the same results. I even tried 4.0-RELEASE, but got the same results. Then I tried 3.5-RELEASE and that worked without a problem. John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@icomtek.csir.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 1:55:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mout2.silyn-tek.de (mout2.silyn-tek.de [194.25.165.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D8437B625; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:55:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from [192.168.32.33] (helo=mx1.silyn-tek.de) by mout2.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13DNji-00054e-00; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:55:50 +0200 Received: from p3e9c1174.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.156.17.116] helo=neutron.cichlids.com) by mx1.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13DNje-00076Q-00; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:55:46 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E79AB8C; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:57:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CB1E214AEB; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:56:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:56:10 +0200 To: Warner Losh Cc: Shawn Barnhart , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yerkernels Message-ID: <20000715105610.A49052@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mail-Followup-To: Warner Losh , Shawn Barnhart , Kris Kennaway , stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <00b801bfeb66$94ab2960$9b239fc0@mobocracy> <00b801bfeb66$94ab2960$9b239fc0@mobocracy> <200007130506.XAA21015@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200007130506.XAA21015@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 11:06:40PM -0600 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. From: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thus spake Warner Losh (imp@village.org): > documented. If there isn't a note in the handbook to look at > UPDATING, there should be. I'll update the handbook, too. Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 2: 3:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay1.inwind.it (relay1.inwind.it [212.141.53.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF76537BC11 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 02:03:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bartequi@inwind.it) Received: from bartequi.ottodomain.org (212.141.79.75) by relay1.inwind.it; 15 Jul 2000 11:03:23 +0200 From: Salvo Bartolotta Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:04:22 GMT Message-ID: <20000715.10042200@bartequi.ottodomain.org> Subject: Re: kernel-building praxis SOLVED To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000715.1031000@bartequi.ottodomain.org> References: <20000715.1031000@bartequi.ottodomain.org> X-Mailer: SuperCalifragilis X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > My understanding was that the build/installkernel procedure served the= > purpose of making **major** transitions possible, whether or not a > major RELEASE upgrade was involved; whereas the well-known "classical"= > procedure could be used in all other cases/situations. In particular, > the "classical" procedure could be employed after ordinary source > upgrades. > >From now on, am I supposed to be systematically using "make > build/installkernel each and every time I cvsup my sources ? What > [have I missed/] am I missing ? Infinite apologies to the -STABLE Community. I should not have asked [such] a question at 2:03 AM **sigh** Best regards, Salvo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 3:57:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gnuppy.monkey.org (cx739861-a.dt1.sdca.home.com [24.5.249.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E614637B8F9 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:57:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billh@gnuppy.monkey.org) Received: (from billh@localhost) by gnuppy.monkey.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02548 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:57:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billh) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:57:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Huey Message-Id: <200007151057.DAA02548@gnuppy.monkey.org> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: xmms 1.2.2 doesn'n work anymore with FreeBSD 4.1-RC Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This problem is persistent across reboots. And I've had report after I've done a kill -9 on the child process in GDB that it's doing some sleep in nanosleep(). I don't know if there's a kernel threading deadlock or what. Looks like it might be a problem with LinuxThreads ? bill =============================================== (gdb) run Starting program: /usr/local/bin/xmms Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C Program received signal SIGKILL, Killed. 0x283e2578 in _thread_sys_poll () from /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4 (gdb) list 3160 } 3161 3162 #endif 3163 3164 3165 int main(int argc, char **argv) 3166 { 3167 gchar *filename; 3168 gint i; 3169 gboolean have_display = FALSE; (gdb) bt #0 0x283e2578 in _thread_sys_poll () from /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4 #1 0x283dafc3 in _thread_kern_sched_state_unlock () from /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4 #2 0x283da6ae in _thread_kern_sched () from /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4 #3 0x283daad2 in _thread_kern_sched_state () from /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4 #4 0x283d80e5 in _read () from /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4 #5 0x283d815e in read () from /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4 #6 0x28455b95 in remote_read_packet (fd=10, pkt_hdr=0xbfbff2fc) at xmmsctrl.c:38 #7 0x28455bee in remote_read_ack (fd=10) at xmmsctrl.c:54 #8 0x28455e17 in remote_cmd (session=0, cmd=31) at xmmsctrl.c:123 #9 0x28456c04 in xmms_remote_is_running () at xmmsctrl.c:190 #10 0x8066847 in setup_ctrlsocket () at controlsocket.c:63 #11 0x8057361 in _start () (gdb) up #1 0x283dafc3 in _thread_kern_sched_state_unlock () from /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4 (gdb) list 3170 #ifdef HAVE_SCHED_SETSCHEDULER 3171 struct sched_param sparam; 3172 3173 #endif 3174 3175 #ifdef ENABLE_NLS 3176 setlocale(LC_ALL,""); 3177 bindtextdomain(PACKAGE, LOCALEDIR); 3178 textdomain(PACKAGE); 3179 #endif (gdb) up #2 0x283da6ae in _thread_kern_sched () from /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4 (gdb) list 3180 3181 signal(SIGSEGV, segfault_handler); 3182 g_thread_init(NULL); 3183 if (!g_thread_supported()) 3184 { 3185 printf(_("Sorry, threads isn't supported on your platfor m.\n\n" 3186 "If you're on a libc5 based linux system and inst alled GLIB & GTK+ before you\n" 3187 "installed LinuxThreads you need to recompile GLI B & GTK+\n")); 3188 exit(1); 3189 } (gdb) up #3 0x283daad2 in _thread_kern_sched_state () from /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4 (gdb) list 3190 3191 srand(time(NULL)); 3192 3193 read_config(); 3194 3195 /* This stuff just got rather messy */ 3196 if(getenv("DISPLAY") && strlen(getenv("DISPLAY")) != 0) 3197 have_display = TRUE; 3198 for(i = 1; i < argc; i++) 3199 { (gdb) up #4 0x283d80e5 in _read () from /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4 (gdb) list 3200 if(!strcmp(argv[i], "--display")) 3201 have_display = TRUE; 3202 } 3203 if(!have_display) 3204 { 3205 setreuid(getuid(), getuid()); 3206 parse_cmd_line(argc, argv, TRUE); 3207 exit(0); 3208 } 3209 ================================================== bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 4:16: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC9C37B7A5 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:16:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA19642; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007151103.EAA19642@implode.root.com> To: John Hay Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ed0 and isa cards on 4.x In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:47:44 +0200." <200007150847.e6F8liH45154@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:03:13 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Have anyone 4.x working with an ISA card and the ed0 device? I can't >believe that it can be broken for so long without anyone noticing. I >have been using 4.x on lots of machines here, but all of them with >pci ethernet cards. > >I have tried to install a recent 4.0 snap on a machine with a SMC8216 >card, but everytime I got the dreaded "ed0 device timeout" message. >I have tried different interrupts, changed cards, but nothing helped. >I even tried it on another machine and had the same results. I even >tried 4.0-RELEASE, but got the same results. Then I tried 3.5-RELEASE >and that worked without a problem. Hmmm. That's VERY weird. I'll see if I can find an ISA card around here and test it out in the lab. It definately sounds like an interrupt problem. Are you sure that you have your kernel config file right? -DG David Greenman Co-founder, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Manufacturer of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 4:47:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from asao.gcd.org (asao.gcd.org [210.145.125.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 08DCA37B640 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:47:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hiroo@oikumene.gcd.org) Received: (qmail 1032 invoked by uid 10); 15 Jul 2000 20:47:09 +0900 Received: (qmail 17282 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2000 11:45:11 -0000 Received: from chrysanthe.oikumene.gcd.org (HELO localhost) (192.168.0.12) by ns.oikumene.gcd.org with SMTP; 15 Jul 2000 11:45:11 -0000 In-Reply-To: <200007150847.e6F8liH45154@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> References: <200007150847.e6F8liH45154@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> <200007151103.EAA19642@implode.root.com> Subject: Re: ed0 and isa cards on 4.x From: Hiroo ONO (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCPi5MbjQyQDgbKEI=?=) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.6 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000715204511A.hiroo@oikumene.gcd.org> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:45:11 +0900 X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 18 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: John Hay Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:47:44 +0200 (SAT) > Have anyone 4.x working with an ISA card and the ed0 device? On a 4.0-STABLE system (CVSuped on 2000/06/28), I have ed0 at port 0x300-0x31f iomem 0xd8000 irq 9 drq 0 on isa0 ed0: supplying EUI64: 00:40:33:ff:fe:92:98:1d ed0: address 00:40:33:92:98:1d, type NE2000 (16 bit) It worked with 4.0-RELEASE before I did a make world. I think you have to set right IRQ and port. Usually, for an ISA ether card, we have to specify different port if we change its IRQ. ---- Hiroo ONO To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 5:14:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3995037B5F2 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 05:14:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA31225 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 05:14:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 05:14:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: stable@Freebsd.org Subject: Re: HANDS OFF! KAME merge in progress In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote: > Just a note to the world not to cvsup for the next few hours until I give > the all-clear: I'm about to bring back the latest KAME code into -stable, > which will require a buildworld to test I haven't missed any new files. > > I will mail again once I believe the integration to be complete. Thanks > for your cooperation! Well, it looks from over here as if I didn't actually screw up. Prove me wrong - have at it! :-) I declare - stable open season again..anyone with buildworld problems please CC me. Thanks for your patience. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 5:25:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9953237B6B8 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 05:25:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonathan@mashed.turnip.org.uk) Received: from [195.92.198.123] (helo=mail17.svr.pol.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13DR0w-0005IA-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:25:50 +0100 Received: from modem-29.elured.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.191.29] helo=mashed.turnip.org.uk) by mail17.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13DR0v-0002BQ-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:25:49 +0100 Received: (from jonathan@localhost) by mashed.turnip.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32004 for stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:25:54 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jonathan) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:25:54 +0100 From: Jonathan Vaughan To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: installworld failure (sys/boot/mbr) Message-ID: <20000715132554.A31976@mashed.turnip.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a problem updating to 4.0-STABLE from 4.0-STABLE as of a couple of weeks ago. I did a make buildworld, then buildkernel and installkenrel. The installworld fails at this point: chown -R root:wheel /usr/share/zoneinfo/* ===> sys ===> sys/boot ===> sys/boot/ficl ===> sys/boot/i386 ===> sys/boot/i386/mbr install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 mbr /boot install: mbr: No such file or directory *** Error code 71 Stop in /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/mbr. *** Error code 1 The "mbr" file indeed does not exist in /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/mbr. It is however present in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/mbr. Is there a workaround for this? -- Jonathan Vaughan jonathan@turnip.org.uk PGP Key ID: 0x0AF58107 http://home.clara.net/turnip/pgp.txt | jon@pgpkey.turnip.org.uk | keyservers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 5:45:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [192.109.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C805137B6B8 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 05:45:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by picalon.gun.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27087 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:45:19 +0200 (MET DST) >Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA42142 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:38:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:38:32 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ftp server with snapshots of FreeBSD-stable available ? Message-ID: <20000715143832.A40475@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi ! I'd like to have a FreeBSD-stable installation CD. For -current I know the URL ftp://current.freebsd.org, something like ftp://stable.freebsd.org would be fine but isn't available in DNS namespace ... Is perhaps somebody other offering this (in my opineon useful) service ? If we doesn't offer this service, maybe sombody could pick up this idea to setup something like stable.freesbsd.org ... Since its the stable branch, where not so many changes occurr, we could reduce the load in this server by providing snapshots on a weekly basis and only keep the last 8 SNAP releases .... Why I ask ... I'm running -current and am not able, to produce a 4.0-STABLE snapshot for my company server ... In the past a make release to build 4.0-STABLE from a 5.0-current system failed and now I tried performing a make buildworld and this fails duing build of perl manpages. Is it possible/supported, to build a -STABLE release from a -current release ? If yes, who succeded in doing this, I'd like to contact you in e-mail and what's the recommendeed method ? Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm http://people.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html powered by Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD New APSFILTER 542 and songs from our band - http://people.freebsd.org/~andreas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 5:46:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3142737B6B8 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 05:46:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mremski@ix.netcom.com) Received: from pool-209-138-18-153.cmbr.grid.net (pool-209-138-18-153.cmbr.grid.net [209.138.18.153]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA29174; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:46:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Remski X-Sender: mremski@photog.remski.net To: John Hay Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ed0 and isa cards on 4.x Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yep, dmesg: ed0 at port 0x300-0x31f iomem 0xcc000-0xcffff irq 10 drq 0 on isa0 ed0: address 00:00:c0:9f:47:52, type WD8013EPC (16 bit) CONFIG: device ed0 at isa? port 0x300 irq 10 iomem 0xcc000 older smc elite. only issue was when I added a second SCSI card that grabbed the memory; I got device timeout messages. Solution was to reserve the block of mem for ISA in the BIOS. m To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 5:56:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from milf18.bus.net (milf18.bus.net [207.41.25.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE50A37B6B8 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 05:56:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cao@milf18.bus.net) Received: (from cao@localhost) by milf18.bus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08692 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:55:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cao) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:55:57 -0400 From: "Chuck O'Donnell" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Stability of FreeBSD 4.0 STABLE w/SMP Message-ID: <20000715085557.A8629@bus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There were a number of posts recently regarding the the stability of 4.0-STABLE on SMP boxes. Does anyone know if this has been resolved? I have three 3.4 production machines that need to be upgraded for other reasons and I am considering going to the 4.x branch. Two of the servers are SMP and all run a fair load as web servers. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Chuck To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 6: 0:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from snoopy.brwn.org (intgw1.brwn.org [196.28.127.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB60137B688 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 06:00:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from willem@snoopy.brwn.org) Received: by snoopy.brwn.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 289281D98; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:00:41 +0200 (SAST) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:00:41 +0200 From: Willem Brown To: Andreas Klemm Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp server with snapshots of FreeBSD-stable available ? Message-ID: <20000715150041.D72008@snoopy.brwn.org> References: <20000715143832.A40475@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000715143832.A40475@titan.klemm.gtn.com>; from andreas@klemm.gtn.com on Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 02:38:32PM +0200 X-Public-Key: http://willem.brwn.org/pubkey.txt X-Chat-Server: http://chat.brwn.org/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I think it is releng4.freebsd.org Regards Willem Brown On Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 02:38:32PM +0200, Andreas Klemm wrote: > Hi ! > > I'd like to have a FreeBSD-stable installation CD. > > For -current I know the URL ftp://current.freebsd.org, > something like ftp://stable.freebsd.org would be fine but isn't > available in DNS namespace ... > Is perhaps somebody other offering this (in my opineon useful) service ? > > If we doesn't offer this service, maybe sombody could pick up this > idea to setup something like stable.freesbsd.org ... > > Since its the stable branch, where not so many changes occurr, > we could reduce the load in this server by providing snapshots > on a weekly basis and only keep the last 8 SNAP releases .... > > Why I ask ... I'm running -current and am not able, to produce > a 4.0-STABLE snapshot for my company server ... > > In the past a make release to build 4.0-STABLE from a 5.0-current > system failed and now I tried performing a make buildworld and > this fails duing build of perl manpages. > > Is it possible/supported, to build a -STABLE release from a -current > release ? If yes, who succeded in doing this, I'd like to contact > you in e-mail and what's the recommendeed method ? > > Andreas /// > > -- > Andreas Klemm http://people.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas > http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html > powered by Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD > New APSFILTER 542 and songs from our band - http://people.freebsd.org/~andreas > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- /* =============================================================== */ /* Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 6:24: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com [207.46.181.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5C137B51A for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 06:23:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kmays@email.msn.com) Received: from KenMays - 198.211.217.176 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 06:23:32 -0700 Message-ID: <001601bfee5f$65cb7680$b0d9d3c6@KenMays> From: "kmays" To: References: <20000715132554.A31976@mashed.turnip.org.uk> Subject: OpenSSH v2.1.1p3 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:20:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Can we put OpenSSH v2.1.1p3 in the STABLE branch of 4.x and 5.x or is it being tested?!?!? I might have missed it under 4.0-07142000 stable and 5.0-07142000 stable. I only see the older one there. Am I mistaken?!? Ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 6:51:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hq1.tyfon.net (hq1.tyfon.net [213.212.29.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0042A37B844 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 06:51:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dl@tyfon.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hq1.tyfon.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E8AF1C5CA for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:51:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:51:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Dan Larsson To: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: 5.0-STABLE? Message-ID: Organization: Tyfon Svenska AB MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Saw in a message earlier today someone mention 5-0-STABLE, does it exist? cvs tag=RELENG_5 ? Regards +------ Dan Larsson | Tel: +46 8 550 120 21 Tyfon Svenska AB | Fax: +46 8 550 120 02 Public PGP key | finger dl@hq1.tyfon.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 6:54: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8826237B784 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 06:54:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e6FDriW51509; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:53:44 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <200007151353.e6FDriW51509@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: ed0 and isa cards on 4.x In-Reply-To: <200007151103.EAA19642@implode.root.com> from David Greenman at "Jul 15, 2000 04:03:13 am" To: dg@root.com Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:53:44 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >Have anyone 4.x working with an ISA card and the ed0 device? I can't > >believe that it can be broken for so long without anyone noticing. I > >have been using 4.x on lots of machines here, but all of them with > >pci ethernet cards. > > > >I have tried to install a recent 4.0 snap on a machine with a SMC8216 > >card, but everytime I got the dreaded "ed0 device timeout" message. > >I have tried different interrupts, changed cards, but nothing helped. > >I even tried it on another machine and had the same results. I even > >tried 4.0-RELEASE, but got the same results. Then I tried 3.5-RELEASE > >and that worked without a problem. > > Hmmm. That's VERY weird. I'll see if I can find an ISA card around here > and test it out in the lab. It definately sounds like an interrupt problem. > Are you sure that you have your kernel config file right? > I'll go and double check. One of the configurations I tried was the standard one (port 0x280 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000) so that I didn't have to change anything when doing the install. The fact that I could install 3.5 on it without changing anything convinced me that the hardware was ok. :-) But maybe I'm wrong. One thing though, I'm installing from the releases and snaps available on internat, although in theory only the crypto should be different and even that should be the same for the latest snaps. John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@icomtek.csir.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 6:59:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E9837B784 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 06:59:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e6FDwea13970; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 06:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 06:58:40 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Dan Larsson Cc: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: Re: 5.0-STABLE? Message-ID: <20000715065840.Z25571@fw.wintelcom.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from dl@tyfon.net on Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 03:51:28PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Dan Larsson [000715 06:52] wrote: > Saw in a message earlier today someone > mention 5-0-STABLE, does it exist? > > cvs tag=RELENG_5 ? Sure, but it's more effective to just rm -rf /usr/src than specify a a tag to cvsup that doesn't exist. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 7:52:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pawn.primelocation.net (pawn.primelocation.net [205.161.238.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0385137B53A for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:52:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdf.lists@fxp.org) Received: by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix, from userid 1016) id F25879B3E; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7669BA11; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:52:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chris D. Faulhaber" X-Sender: cdf.lists@pawn.primelocation.net To: Chuck O'Donnell Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stability of FreeBSD 4.0 STABLE w/SMP In-Reply-To: <20000715085557.A8629@bus.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, Chuck O'Donnell wrote: > There were a number of posts recently regarding the the stability of > 4.0-STABLE on SMP boxes. Does anyone know if this has been resolved? I That was due to a file that someone forgot to MFC...fixed shortly after the problem was reported. > have three 3.4 production machines that need to be upgraded for other > reasons and I am considering going to the 4.x branch. Two of the > servers are SMP and all run a fair load as web servers. > There are significant SMP-related improvements in RELENG_4. If you need to update your servers, 4.x is the way to go (esp. with the upcoming 4.1-RELEASE). ----- Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 7:57:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de (waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.4.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B549C37B593; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:57:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE) Received: from marcy.cs.uni-dortmund.de (marcy.cs.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.20.159]) by waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de with ESMTP id QAA21113; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:56:39 +0200 (MES) Received: from lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de (lucy [129.217.20.160]) by marcy.cs.uni-dortmund.de id QAA12310; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:56:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from grossjoh@localhost) by lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA08850; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:56:39 +0200 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:56:39 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de: grossjoh set sender to Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE using -f To: Jonathan Smith Cc: John Baldwin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Previous Message on /etc/defaults References: From: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai =?iso-8859-1?q?Gro=DFjohann?=) In-Reply-To: Jonathan Smith's message of "Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:10:00 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.0.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 25 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Jonathan Smith wrote: > The reason against it is that it makes it harder to go through and > configure a fresh system. As I had said, one of my favorite things > was to have one file to go through and change what I needed to. There are two approaches: (1) Copy /etc/defaults/rc.conf to /etc/rc.conf, edit /etc/rc.conf and delete all unchanged lines from it. (Here, the extra step is to delete the unchanged lines. If most lines are unchanged, the second approach might be better.) (2) Open two windows, one looking at the /etc/defaults/rc.conf and a text editor looking at an empty /etc/rc.conf. Copy and paste all lines from /etc/defaults/rc.conf into /etc/rc.conf and change as appropriate. Of course, the first time you do this it is more work. But considering that you can just keep /etc/rc.conf and don't have to merge in the changes, this work is saved the next time you update. kai -- I like BOTH kinds of music. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 8: 7:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cx587235-a.chnd1.az.home.com (cx587235-a.chnd1.az.home.com [24.11.88.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC28537B623 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:07:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jjreynold@home.com) Received: from whale.home-net (whale [192.168.1.2]) by cx587235-a.chnd1.az.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA63718; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:07:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jjreynold@home.com) Received: (from jjreynold@localhost) by whale.home-net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA87642; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:07:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jjreynold@home.com) From: John Reynolds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14704.32307.385781.833281@whale.home-net> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:07:31 -0700 (MST) To: John Hay Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ed0 and isa cards on 4.x In-Reply-To: <200007150847.e6F8liH45154@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> References: <200007150847.e6F8liH45154@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under Emacs 20.7.1 Cc: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ On Saturday, July 15, John Hay wrote: ] > Have anyone 4.x working with an ISA card and the ed0 device? I can't > believe that it can be broken for so long without anyone noticing. I > have been using 4.x on lots of machines here, but all of them with > pci ethernet cards. I'm using 4.0-STABLE on a machine with two ISA nics on ed0 and ed0. Both Linksys Ether16's. Good cards for the price. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= John Reynolds Chandler Capabilities Engineering, CDS, Intel Corporation jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com My opinions are mine, not Intel's. Running jjreynold@home.com FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE. FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://members.home.com/jjreynold/ Come join us!!! @ http://www.FreeBSD.org/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 9: 0:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [192.109.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E375A37B5D5 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:00:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by picalon.gun.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12353; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:00:25 +0200 (MET DST) >Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31021; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:23:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:23:27 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: Jonathan Vaughan , Willem Brown Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ftp server with snapshots of FreeBSD-stable available ? Message-ID: <20000715162327.A30610@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: <20000715143832.A40475@titan.klemm.gtn.com> <20000715150041.D72008@snoopy.brwn.org> <20000715143832.A40475@titan.klemm.gtn.com> <20000715135502.A32276@mashed.turnip.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000715135502.A32276@mashed.turnip.org.uk>; from jonathan@turnip.org.uk on Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 01:55:02PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 03:00:41PM +0200, Willem Brown wrote: > I think it is releng4.freebsd.org On Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 01:55:02PM +0100, Jonathan Vaughan wrote: > There's an ftp server on releng4.freebsd.org, but it doesnt have ISOs, > afaik. Thanks to both of you ... ISO isn't an issue. Boot/install CD more important. -- Andreas Klemm http://people.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html powered by Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD New APSFILTER 542 and songs from our band - http://people.freebsd.org/~andreas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 9: 6:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from milf18.bus.net (milf18.bus.net [207.41.25.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C507B37B5C2 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:06:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cao@milf18.bus.net) Received: (from cao@localhost) by milf18.bus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09173 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:05:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cao) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:05:40 -0400 From: "Chuck O'Donnell" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stability of FreeBSD 4.0 STABLE w/SMP Message-ID: <20000715120539.A9146@bus.net> References: <20000715085557.A8629@bus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.3i In-Reply-To: <20000715085557.A8629@bus.net>; from Chuck O'Donnell on Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 08:55:57AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 08:55:57AM -0400, Chuck O'Donnell wrote: > There were a number of posts recently regarding the the stability of > 4.0-STABLE on SMP boxes. Does anyone know if this has been resolved? I > have three 3.4 production machines that need to be upgraded for other > reasons and I am considering going to the 4.x branch. Two of the > servers are SMP and all run a fair load as web servers. > > Any input would be greatly appreciated. > Many thanks to all the private replies I received. It would seem that 4.x is the way to go. Thanks all, Chuck To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 9:59:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.ninth-circle.org (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4F337B58D; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:59:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@lucifer.ninth-circle.org) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA44609; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:59:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:59:38 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: Kris Kennaway Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HANDS OFF! KAME merge in progress Message-ID: <20000715185938.A44543@lucifer.bart.nl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from kris@FreeBSD.ORG on Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 05:14:38AM -0700 Organisation: VIA Net.Works The Netherlands Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20000715 14:20], Kris Kennaway (kris@FreeBSD.ORG) wrote: >I declare - stable open season again..anyone with buildworld problems >please CC me. Thanks for your patience. No need to. buildworld worked up till your last MFC. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator VIA Net.Works The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl Only the good die young, all the evil seems to live forever... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 10: 5:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from adsl-151-197-208-81.bellatlantic.net (adsl-151-197-208-81.bellatlantic.net [151.197.208.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2492237B58D; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:05:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bleez@bellatlantic.net) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by adsl-151-197-208-81.bellatlantic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00505; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:05:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bleez@bellatlantic.net) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:05:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Bryan Liesner X-Sender: root@adsl-151-197-208-81.bellatlantic.net To: Bill Paul Cc: Bryan Liesner , grog@lemis.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RX problems with Macronix ethernet cards In-Reply-To: <20000714192905.1C0F837CAF0@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Bill Paul wrote: >Ok, based in the info I've received, I've generated a patch for if_dc.c >and if_dcreg.h, which I'm including with this e-mail. It should work on >both -current and -stable, possibly with a little noise on -stable. >I added flags to select the hash table width and a check for the >MX98715AEC-C and later chip revs. Please test this patch and let me know >how it works (or fails to work, as the case may be). The patch applied cleanly for me and seems to be working OK. Not only does dc1 stay up, RX performance has increased dramatically. Sending, say, a 2meg file from my machine happened in the blink of an eye. Receiving the same file there was a very noticeable (huge) drop in performance. All fixed - thank you. ========================================================== = Bryan D. Liesner LeezSoft Communications, Inc. = = A subsidiary of LeezSoft Inc. = = bleez@bellatlantic.net Home of the Gipper = ========================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 10:50:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bmw.cobaka.com (bmw.cobaka.com [209.67.40.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0068337B665 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:50:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@villaweb.net) Received: from WINTERPC (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bmw.cobaka.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA96020 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Phil Rosenthal" To: Subject: Upgrading 3.5-STABLE to 4.0-STABLE Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:58:48 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there any way I can safely upgrade 3.5-STABLE to 4.0-STABLE (or is it = 4.1 now?) remotely? It is not easy to go to the actual server and upgrade... Thanks, --Phil To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 11: 6:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (server.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0489637C5C0 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:06:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@baldwin.cx) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (root@john.baldwin.cx [192.168.1.18]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03360; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:06:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@baldwin.cx) Received: (from john@localhost) by john.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14151; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:08:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john) Message-Id: <200007151808.LAA14151@john.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <003e01bfee00$a24e14a0$1b9b3218@pit.adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:08:09 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Nader Turki Subject: RE: FreeBSD 4.1-RC Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 15-Jul-00 Nader Turki wrote: > Hi there, > I used cvsup upgrading to -STABLE I'm sure i used the 4.x-stable-supfile. > But somehow when i do uname -a i get: > > [dark@Shell]:~$ uname -a > FreeBSD Shell.Q8unix.com 4.1-RC FreeBSD 4.1-RC #0: Fri Jul 14 18:02:15 PDT > 2000 dark@Shell.Q8unix.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/SHELL i386 > > Few weeks ago i did the same thing on my machine and got FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE. > > Can someone help me please. It is ok. It means we are in the release candidate stage for 4.1. > Thanks, > > Nader -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 11:16:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lafontaine.cybercable.fr (lafontaine.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8994C37C6B3 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:16:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mhenrion@cybercable.fr) Received: (qmail 15598151 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2000 18:16:04 -0000 Received: from r121m199.cybercable.tm.fr (HELO cybercable.fr) ([195.132.121.199]) (envelope-sender ) by lafontaine.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Jul 2000 18:16:04 -0000 Message-ID: <3970AB23.F76B05CB@cybercable.fr> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:19:15 +0200 From: Maxime Henrion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: config and config -r Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I think the config program used to compile a kernel lacks some documentation because there are several points that remain unclear to me, even after reading the man page. I had several bad surprises with it ! :-) As I didn't want to recompile the whole stuff, I used a config and not a config -r to build a new kernel, after having changed its configuration. I removed several devices and I thought that won't cause any problem, as the objects files for these devices won't be linked into the kernel. But after rebooting on this new kernel, I had a page fault before any kernel message :/ Is there anything to check in order to know if I can use a config instead of a config -r ? If using a config without the -r option is dangerous, I think it shouldn't be the default. Is it the case ? Regards, -Maxime Henrion To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 11:18:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from epsilon.lucida.qc.ca (epsilon.lucida.qc.ca [216.95.146.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 46B4037C69F for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:18:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET) Received: (qmail 1352 invoked by uid 1000); 15 Jul 2000 18:18:11 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Jul 2000 18:18:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:18:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Heckaman X-Sender: matt@epsilon.lucida.qc.ca To: FreeBSD-STABLE Subject: Upcoming 4.1 release Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost 1.6.2 0/1000/N Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Are there plans to MFC OpenSSL 0.9.5a before 4.1 goes -RELEASE (if it's not already in a code freeze.) ? I think this would be something to aim for if possible. Kris mentioned it but there was something holding him back, I do not quite recall what at the moment though. While I'm here, silly question: Is there a simple way to rebuild bind without doing a make world? I was hoping that a simple cvs co of contrib/bind and a make in $SRC/contrib/bind would do the trick, but I quickly learned that doesn't work at all. :) Thanks in advance. * Matt Heckaman - mailto:matt@lucida.qc.ca http://www.lucida.qc.ca/ * * GPG fingerprint - A9BC F3A8 278E 22F2 9BDA BFCF 74C3 2D31 C035 5390 * -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (FreeBSD) Comment: http://www.lucida.qc.ca/pgp iD8DBQE5cKridMMtMcA1U5ARAq/eAKDV3K5EyHNFdk8PGSobaU/jYXR2DgCfW19g ibN02PuBsMZQbXN5foIAyX8= =yCaH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 11:20:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.home.se. (smtp2.home.se [195.66.45.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0809137B99F; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alastyr@home.se) Received: from Sorcery (cvx-sto-1-191.ppp.netlink.se [212.242.103.95]) by smtp2.home.se. (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21083; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:19:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:18:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Joel Lindau X-Sender: nevyn@Sorcery.se To: John Baldwin Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFT: boot patch for 4.x In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, John Baldwin wrote: > Hey all, > > I would really like to get the new boot0 into -stable in time > for 4.1, but I'd like a few folks to test it out and get some > feedback before I do. You can find the patch at > http://people.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/boot0.rel4.patch. The > patch is relative to /usr/src, so to apply it: > > # cd /usr/src > # patch < where_ever_the_patch_file_lives/boot0.rel4.patch > > Then either make a new world or rebuild the utilities your > self. You can then use boot0cfg or fdisk to install the new > boot0 boot manager. Thanks. > > -- > > John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ > PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc > "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > It seems to work just fine and solves some problems i had with the previous one. Not being able to boot windows beeing the third partion, about 2G after a 10G and 4G freebsd partions. - Nevyn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 11:23:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from addr2.addr.com (addr.com [209.249.147.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBBD37B60C for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:23:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwpauler@jwpages.com) Received: from pauler.lgtch02.fais.net (pauler.lgtch02.fais.net [208.249.141.31]) by addr2.addr.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA82671 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:22:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwpauler@jwpages.com) From: "Justin W. Pauler" Organization: JWPages Web Design To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: CVSup Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:22:07 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00071513235000.05590@pauler.lgtch02.fais.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hey fellas.. just a quick question... When you do a CVSup and download the latest updates, is there any way to get around a full 'make world' which takes 3-4 hours here on a 233. I noticed the last time I updated there were just a few patches, none to the kernel or libs. Is there a way to just update those pacakages with some type of 'make' without having to go to each specific directory? -jwp -- Justin W. Pauler JWPages Web Development E-Mail: jwpauler@jwpages.com WWW: http://www.jwpages.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 12: 3:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.osd.bsdi.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB73037B596 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:03:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27557; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:04:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com) To: Dan Larsson Cc: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: Re: 5.0-STABLE? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:51:28 +0200." Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:04:27 -0700 Message-ID: <27554.963687867@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Saw in a message earlier today someone > mention 5-0-STABLE, does it exist? No. Somebody is about a year early if they're talking about it now. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 14:35:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1239437B7AA; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:35:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13DXzM-0007Le-00; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:52:40 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13DXzM-000EN8-00; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:52:40 +0100 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:52:40 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Maxime Henrion Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: config and config -r Message-ID: <20000715205240.Q84045@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <3970AB23.F76B05CB@cybercable.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9Jdw4pA1x1k2W7MG" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3970AB23.F76B05CB@cybercable.fr> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --9Jdw4pA1x1k2W7MG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maxime Henrion wrote: > As I didn't want to recompile the whole stuff, I used a config and > not a config -r to build a new kernel, after having changed its > configuration. I removed several devices and I thought that won't cause > any problem, as the objects files for these devices won't be linked into > the kernel. Did you do a "make depend"? I personally have never had a problem with just "config" rather than "config -r". > But after rebooting on this new kernel, I had a page fault before > any kernel message :/ Is there anything to check in order to know if I > can use a config instead of a config -r ? If using a config without the > -r option is dangerous, I think it shouldn't be the default. Is it the > case ? "-r" used to be the default, you had to use "-n" to get the current behaviour of _not_ removing the directory. This was changed 2 years ago... | revision 1.20 | date: 1998/02/18 04:15:04; author: eivind; state: Exp; lines: +9 -13 | Make '-n' the default, and introduce a new flag '-r' to get old | behaviour. Also indicate which option(s) are unknown if there are any | old-style options. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --9Jdw4pA1x1k2W7MG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: HHkqZcB0eM508u/jlrGDcerPVnqZ3mu8 iQCVAwUBOXDBBisPVtiZOS99AQFkkAQAjCPCLLGivMZJ4k1mNEDKmwh1+sN75bcM ZYjHdqQ80fPvJBHKigCCB1OH8zUISdyoq0bwQ5zyqOAEF6J1f9XCCXyJwG031tub jmz9r8k3EwwGLnjOVWXpavJ5vVCkFmeZZr0BK6rCCQi+EGiStI8edlYkBtbYUdKd aG5c/hxMnQM= =zA8l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9Jdw4pA1x1k2W7MG-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 14:37:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dt052n3e.san.rr.com (dt052n3e.san.rr.com [204.210.33.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D401037B893; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:37:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt052n3e.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA48378; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:37:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <3970D97F.C25E2BB6@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:37:03 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Maxime Henrion Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: config and config -r References: <3970AB23.F76B05CB@cybercable.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Please don't crosspost. -questions would have been more appropriate for this. Maxime Henrion wrote: > Is there anything to check in order to know if I > can use a config instead of a config -r ? This may sound flippant, but it isn't meant to be. If config without the -r works (which it does most of the time) it works, and it's safe to use. If it doesn't work, you should go back and use config -r. Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 14:42:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6FA37B516; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:42:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA01251; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:42:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:42:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: "Justin W. Pauler" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: CVSup In-Reply-To: <00071513235000.05590@pauler.lgtch02.fais.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, Justin W. Pauler wrote: > When you do a CVSup and download the latest updates, is there any way to get > around a full 'make world' which takes 3-4 hours here on a 233. > > I noticed the last time I updated there were just a few patches, none > to the kernel or libs. Is there a way to just update those pacakages > with some type of 'make' without having to go to each specific > directory? There is, but it's not supported, and if you try it and it screws up your system, or just doesn't work, then you're expected to be able to fix it yourself without coming asking for help :-) 'make all' in /usr/src is a lot faster than 'make world' since it deliberately doesn't do any dependency building or ordering, etc. But listen to me when I tell you not to report errors if you use this - you are on your own! Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 14:43:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2313B37BC81 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:43:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ntaflos.andreas@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 6503 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jul 2000 21:43:38 -0000 Received: from tk212017108240.univie.teleweb.at (HELO gmx.net) (212.17.108.240) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 15 Jul 2000 21:43:38 -0000 Message-ID: <3970DA7D.DBC54B12@gmx.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:41:17 +0200 From: Andreas Ntaflos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.1-RC i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: is the ensoniq 1371 sound chip supported? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i have an SB PCI64 sound card, the sound chip is the ensoniq 1371. now i want to know, is that chip/that soundcard supported with freebsd 4.0/4.1 RC? and if yes, where can i find information on how to make it work? thanks a bunch regards Andreas Ntaflos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 14:47: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5360937B7AA; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:46:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA01536; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:46:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:46:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Matt Heckaman Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Subject: Re: Upcoming 4.1 release In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, Matt Heckaman wrote: > Are there plans to MFC OpenSSL 0.9.5a before 4.1 goes -RELEASE (if it's > not already in a code freeze.) ? I think this would be something to aim > for if possible. Kris mentioned it but there was something holding him > back, I do not quite recall what at the moment though. I don't intend to do this yet. Two people reported problems with 0.9.5a which I never got to the bottom of (nor managed to repeat myself) which make me nervous about merging. > While I'm here, silly question: Is there a simple way to rebuild bind > without doing a make world? I was hoping that a simple cvs co of > contrib/bind and a make in $SRC/contrib/bind would do the trick, but I > quickly learned that doesn't work at all. :) contrib/ is never built from - it contains parts of the raw vendor-distributed source archives. You have to 'make' in the relevant other directories (but see my previous message to -stable about this) Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 15: 3:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD4337B7AA; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:03:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA02745; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:03:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:03:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: kmays Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OpenSSH v2.1.1p3 In-Reply-To: <001601bfee5f$65cb7680$b0d9d3c6@KenMays> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, kmays wrote: > Can we put OpenSSH v2.1.1p3 in the STABLE branch of 4.x and 5.x or is it > being tested?!?!? I might have missed it under 4.0-07142000 stable and > 5.0-07142000 stable. I only see the older one there. Am I mistaken?!? -current and -stable both have 2.1.0 at this time - I intend to bring in 2.1.1, which is the latest release (2.1.1p3 is the "portable" version which contains all sorts of cross-platform crap we don't care about, and the patchlevel refers to portability fixes :-), but it won't be before 4.1-RELEASE. I don't know of any major bugfixes in 2.1.1 which would require it. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 15: 7:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DF037B847 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:07:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6FM7Ml41759; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:07:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Salvo Bartolotta Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel-building praxis In-Reply-To: <20000715.1031000@bartequi.ottodomain.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, Salvo Bartolotta wrote: > Dear FreeBSD'ers, > > I have just upgraded to 4.1-RC successfully -- sources as of few hours > ago. > > Incidentally, a 'make kernel=WHATEVER build/installkernel' actually > built /GENERIC, but this is a minor/negligible issue: I rebuilt my > customized kernel in the old standard way. That's because the variable name is 'KERNEL' not 'kernel' :-) I've also found that it doesn't necessarily propagate, and set it in make.conf. > My understanding was that the build/installkernel procedure served the > purpose of making **major** transitions possible, whether or not a > major RELEASE upgrade was involved; whereas the well-known "classical" > procedure could be used in all other cases/situations. In particular, > the "classical" procedure could be employed after ordinary source > upgrades. The classical method is still valid if you aren't upgrading source, e.g. rebuilding an existing kernel with new options/devices/etc. > >From now on, am I supposed to be systematically using "make > build/installkernel each and every time I cvsup my sources ? What > [have I missed/] am I missing ? Yes, you are correct. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 15:13:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3629437B8A3 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:13:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6FMCwK46682; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:12:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Antony Russell Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: natd and VPN client In-Reply-To: <004b01bfee26$a7399540$6a481fc4@oct.co.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, Antony Russell wrote: > Using the -v option to natd I have discovered that the connection is setup > correctly using UDP. Thereafter the VPN client tries to communicate with the > VPN software with protocol 50 which is defined as ESP (Encapsulating > Security Payload) in the protocols file. Unfortunately natd does not perform > any translation on ESP packets and the VPN connection then fails. This sounds strangely like pptp. > Can anyone out there tell me why natd behaves like this and if it would be > possible to change this behaviour. Alternatively, is there another natd like > application that I could use instead. The natd in -CURRENT and -STABLE after June 20 has a redirect_protocol option that you can use to redirect all inbound ESP packets to a specific internal machine (or vice versa). That or hack natd/libalias to teach it how to NAT ESP packets, which is no small feat. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 17:11:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (ha1.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FB837B837; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:11:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by mail.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000716001105.JXBH11071.mail.rdc1.il.home.com@math.missouri.edu>; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:11:05 -0700 Message-ID: <3970FD4F.A4D814ED@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:09:51 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, ache@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with screen References: <396E67C7.CED15DDC@math.missouri.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I updated the sources, and now screen works again. Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > Now screen (as in /usr/ports/misc/screen) does not work. > I tried remaking it, and it still does not work. > -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith Department of Mathematics, University of Missouri, Columbia, MO 65211 Phone 573-882-4540, fax 573-882-1869 http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen stephen@math.missouri.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 17:31:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lerami.lerctr.org (lerami.lerctr.org [207.158.72.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5416C37B53E for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:31:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ler@lerctr.org) Received: (from ler@localhost) by lerami.lerctr.org (8.10.1/8.10.1/20000715) id e6G0VRn03113 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:31:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Larry Rosenman Message-Id: <200007160031.e6G0VRn03113@lerami.lerctr.org> Subject: SendMail 8.10 (fwd) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:31:27 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL79 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I put this on -questions, maybe it's better on -stable? Larry ----- Forwarded message (env-from ler) ----- Any chance of Sendmail 8.10.2 being integrated into -STABLE before 4.1 goes -RELEASE? Larry ----- End of forwarded message (env-from ler) ----- -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 (voice) Internet: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 17:39:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31BD37B561 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:39:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arnee@linuxmail.org) Received: from linuxmail.org (mg131-167.ricochet.net [204.179.131.167]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08416 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:38:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <397103DB.2AB0CE48@linuxmail.org> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:37:48 -0700 From: arnold X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11-1 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: buildworld kerberos5 broken? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG stable cvsup as of 7/15/2000 15:45 i have been getting this error for the past week with 4.0 stable. cmp -s asn1_Key.x asn1_Key.c 2> /dev/null || cp asn1_Key.x asn1_Key.c cmp -s asn1_HDBFlags.x asn1_HDBFlags.c 2> /dev/null || cp asn1_HDBFlags.x asn1_HDBFlags.c cmp -s asn1_hdb_entry.x asn1_hdb_entry.c 2> /dev/null || cp asn1_hdb_entry.x asn1_hdb_entry.c cmp -s asn1_Salt.x asn1_Salt.c 2> /dev/null || cp asn1_Salt.x asn1_Salt.c cmp -s asn1_Event.x asn1_Event.c 2> /dev/null || cp asn1_Event.x asn1_Event.c rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libhdb/../../../crypto/heimdal/include -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libhdb/../../include -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libhdb/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/krb5 -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libhdb/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/hdb -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libhdb/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/asn1 -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libhdb/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/roken -I/usr/obj/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libhdb -I/usr/obj/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libhdb/../../lib/libasn1 -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libhdb/../../include -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libhdb/../../include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libhdb/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/hdb/keytab.c /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libhdb/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/hdb/hdb.c /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libhdb/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/hdb/common.c /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libhdb/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/hdb/db.c /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libhdb/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/hdb/ndbm.c /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libhdb/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/hdb/print.c hdb_err.c asn1_Key.c asn1_Event.c asn1_HDBFlags.c asn1_hdb_entry.c asn1_Salt.c cd /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libhdb; make _EXTRADEPEND ===> libkrb5 test -e /usr/obj/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/asn1_err.et || ln -sf /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/asn1/asn1_err.et rm -f .depend compile_et asn1_err.et mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/krb5 -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/asn1 -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/des -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/roken -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../../crypto/heimdal/include -I/usr/obj/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../lib/libkrb5 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../lib/libasn1 -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../include -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/des/rc4_skey.c ......... /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libkrb5/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/krb5/keytab_krb4.c:35: krb.h: No such file or directory mkdep: compile failed *** Error code 1 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 17:54:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E2C37B587; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:54:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA54260; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:54:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:54:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Larry Rosenman Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SendMail 8.10 (fwd) In-Reply-To: <200007160031.e6G0VRn03113@lerami.lerctr.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, Larry Rosenman wrote: > Any chance of Sendmail 8.10.2 being integrated into -STABLE before > 4.1 goes -RELEASE? Short Answer: No. Longer Answer: -current still has 8.9.3, but will probably be updated in a few weeks. It could be brought back to -stable after that. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 18: 2:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lerami.lerctr.org (lerami.lerctr.org [207.158.72.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F9B737B621; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:02:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ler@lerctr.org) Received: (from ler@localhost) by lerami.lerctr.org (8.10.1/8.10.1/20000715) id e6G12Ow04458; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:02:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Larry Rosenman Message-Id: <200007160102.e6G12Ow04458@lerami.lerctr.org> Subject: Re: SendMail 8.10 (fwd) In-Reply-To: "from Kris Kennaway at Jul 15, 2000 05:54:08 pm" To: Kris Kennaway Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:02:24 -0500 (CDT) Cc: Larry Rosenman , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL79 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anything I can do to help speed this along? > On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, Larry Rosenman wrote: > > > Any chance of Sendmail 8.10.2 being integrated into -STABLE before > > 4.1 goes -RELEASE? > > Short Answer: No. > > Longer Answer: -current still has 8.9.3, but will probably be updated in a > few weeks. It could be brought back to -stable after that. > > Kris > > -- > In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. > -- Charles Forsythe > -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 (voice) Internet: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 18:25:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD0037B621; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:25:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) id e6G1P4F10862; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:25:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200007160125.e6G1P4F10862@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Larry Rosenman Cc: Kris Kennaway , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SendMail 8.10 (fwd) In-Reply-To: <200007160102.e6G12Ow04458@lerami.lerctr.org> References: <200007160102.e6G12Ow04458@lerami.lerctr.org> Comments: In-reply-to Larry Rosenman message dated "Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:02:24 -0500." From: bmah@cisco.com (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@cisco.com X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-2002611112P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:25:04 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --==_Exmh_-2002611112P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Larry Rosenman wrote: > Anything I can do to help speed this along? Just to point out something you probably already know, sendmail-8.10.2 compiles, installs, and runs just fine under RELENG_4. (So do the 8.11 betas, but that wasn't what you were asking about.) Bruce. --==_Exmh_-2002611112P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: gw7ekt7upXq1eyjF4s/DcVWcGfxiMpMg iQA/AwUBOXEO8NjKMXFboFLDEQLH/wCg9cmXlnGNvDNqZZHdQ8Q49e1FAN4AnRJn 4gjrnaGRVb8GrQZdhdmcPYpk =BWwL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-2002611112P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 18:26:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lerami.lerctr.org (lerami.lerctr.org [207.158.72.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D347337B621; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:26:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ler@lerctr.org) Received: (from ler@localhost) by lerami.lerctr.org (8.10.1/8.10.1/20000715) id e6G1Qhj05389; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:26:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Larry Rosenman Message-Id: <200007160126.e6G1Qhj05389@lerami.lerctr.org> Subject: Re: SendMail 8.10 (fwd) In-Reply-To: <200007160125.e6G1P4F10862@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> "from bmah@cisco.com at Jul 15, 2000 06:25:04 pm" To: bmah@cisco.com Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:26:43 -0500 (CDT) Cc: Larry Rosenman , Kris Kennaway , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL79 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yes, I know that, which is why the question. I'd like to be able to have 8.10.2 in my make worlds, and not have to worry about 8.9.3 mucking it up. Larry -- Start of PGP signed section. > If memory serves me right, Larry Rosenman wrote: > > Anything I can do to help speed this along? > > Just to point out something you probably already know, sendmail-8.10.2 > compiles, installs, and runs just fine under RELENG_4. (So do the 8.11 > betas, but that wasn't what you were asking about.) > > Bruce. > > > -- End of PGP section, PGP failed! -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 (voice) Internet: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 18:41:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E79637B55C; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:41:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) id e6G1f2T11023; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:41:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200007160141.e6G1f2T11023@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Larry Rosenman Cc: bmah@cisco.com, Kris Kennaway , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SendMail 8.10 (fwd) In-Reply-To: <200007160126.e6G1Qhj05389@lerami.lerctr.org> References: <200007160126.e6G1Qhj05389@lerami.lerctr.org> Comments: In-reply-to Larry Rosenman message dated "Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:26:43 -0500." From: bmah@cisco.com (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@cisco.com X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1986095782P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:41:02 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --==_Exmh_-1986095782P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Larry Rosenman wrote: > Yes, I know that, which is why the question. I'd like to be able > to have 8.10.2 in my make worlds, and not have to worry about > 8.9.3 mucking it up. I hear ya. I set "NO_SENDMAIL=true" in /etc/make.conf but sometimes I forget, like the last machine I upgraded to 4_RELENG...didn't notice until sendmail started beefing about the config file being newer than it could handle. :-( Bruce. --==_Exmh_-1986095782P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: PcZw1cMe1ekLF0VPdB/HXKx/nzXJ0dPN iQA/AwUBOXESrtjKMXFboFLDEQLW/wCg6AtTu9WLPk0jeSGCjIQXcITiw4wAoNNB JjUQAj0XfGih08s7ls4ceE3j =6Ae/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1986095782P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 19: 7:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285FC37B558 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:06:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA62502; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:36:14 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:36:14 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Gregory Bond , bgoering@ilsmart.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hardware Info Message-ID: <20000716113614.C57098@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200007140340.NAA29955@lightning.itga.com.au> <200007141855.LAA16886@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <200007141855.LAA16886@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Friday, 14 July 2000 at 11:55:23 -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >>> Is there a way to get a map of the ports, irq, dma in use on a FreeBSD >>> system? >> >> For IRQs, use systat -vm or vmstat -i. > > Actually that works poorly in todays world of shared IRQ resources: > > rgrimes {104}% vmstat -i > dc0 irq15 5189147 71 > dc1 irq14 6570342 90 > mux irq11 20937873 289 > mux irq10 25513282 352 > > Now just what is on irq10 and 11??? To expand on that, "mux" means that more than one device is connected to the irq, and the interrupts are handled by a "multiplexer". This could change in the near future with interrupt threads. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 19:28:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from horsey.gshapiro.net (horsey.gshapiro.net [209.220.147.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9520B37B6AF; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:28:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gshapiro@gshapiro.net) Received: (from gshapiro@localhost) by horsey.gshapiro.net (8.11.0.Gamma0/8.11.0.Gamma0) id e6G2Sj774561; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:28:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14705.7644.830994.228604@horsey.gshapiro.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:28:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Gregory Neil Shapiro To: Larry Rosenman Cc: Kris Kennaway , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SendMail 8.10 (fwd) In-Reply-To: <200007160102.e6G12Ow04458@lerami.lerctr.org> References: <200007160102.e6G12Ow04458@lerami.lerctr.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.2 (beta34) "Molpe" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ler> Anything I can do to help speed this along? I'm already working on the process now. I'm just ironing out some details with another part of the FreeBSD team. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 20:22:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from psasolar.colltech.com (psasolar.colltech.com [208.229.236.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6F137B8AB for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:22:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmutter@colltech.com) Received: from localhost by psasolar.colltech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/not) with ESMTP id WAA03160; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:22:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:22:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "James A. Mutter" X-Sender: jmutter@psasolar.private.psa.pencom.com To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: network install HOWTO In-Reply-To: <20000713031047.Q25571@fw.wintelcom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Great work on the Howto - I've used it to setup a test environment and so far everything is working well. I recommend it to others who are looking for a quick start guide to automated network installs of FreeBSD. Now - I've checked through the man pages of the fxp driver but I didn't find an answer to this. Is there a way to control the NIC settings from FreeBSD? Specifically, I'd like to switch the boot setting on the NIC from "Network" to "Local" after the install is completed. Is this possible without human intervention? Is there a plan for this functionality? If not I can try write something myself. Thanks to everyone who has made this possible, Jim On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > Ok guys it's a _very_ rough HOWTO, but patches (not comments!) would be > appreciated: > > How to install FreeBSD via Intel's netboot (PXE) > http://people.freebsd.org/~alfred/pxe/ > > enjoy. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 22: 8:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from racine.cybercable.fr (racine.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AAF5D37BA6B for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:08:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from clefevre%no-spam@citeweb.net) Received: (qmail 186476 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2000 05:08:28 -0000 Received: from r224m65.cybercable.tm.fr (HELO gits.dyndns.org) ([195.132.224.65]) (envelope-sender ) by racine.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 16 Jul 2000 05:08:28 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by gits.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30794; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 07:08:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from clefevre%no-spam@citeweb.net) Posted-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 07:08:21 +0200 (CEST) To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: Brad Knowles , Peter van Heusden , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: kernel.debug (was Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make your kernels) References: <396F4463.978AE0DA@newsguy.com> Reply-To: clefevre@citeweb.net X-Face: V|+c;4!|B?E%BE^{E6);aI.[<97Zd*>^#%Y5Cxv;%Y[PT-LW3;A:fRrJ8+^k"e7@+30g0YD0*^^3jgyShN7o?a]C la*Zv'5NA,=963bM%J^o]C From: Cyrille Lefevre Date: 16 Jul 2000 07:08:20 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Daniel C. Sobral"'s message of "Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:48:35 +0900" Message-ID: Lines: 46 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Canyonlands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Daniel C. Sobral" writes: > Brad Knowles wrote: > > > > At 1:29 PM +0200 2000/7/11, Peter van Heusden wrote: > > > > > My only (minor) concern, from a useability point of view, is that there is > > > no default BUILDKERNEL value - shouldn't it default to GENERIC if nothing > > > else is specified? That way you won't actually be able to do a > > > 'buildkernel' without building a kernel. > > > > Hmm. Good idea. Until then, this needs to be mentioned in the > > documentation. > > Notice that KERNEL can be set from make.conf, and there is a default in > there. Either it is commented out, or the complain just apply to the > first time around, before running mergemaster. what about to compile a kernel w/ debugging informations from buildkernel target ? and about parallel make ? Makefile.inc1 would have something like : .if defined(DEBUG) CONFIGARGS+= -g .endif KMAKEARGS= .if defined(JOBS) KMAKEARGS+= -j$(JOBS) .endif .if defined(DEBUG) KMAKEARGS+= DEBUG=-g .endif ... ${WMAKEENV} MACHINE=${MACHINE} KERNEL=${_kernel} ${MAKE} ${KMAKEARGS} all .endfor also, why the kernel object are in /usr/obj/.../sys/ and not in /usr/obj/.../sys/compile/ which match more the old way ? Cyrille. -- home:mailto:clefevre%no-spam@citeweb.net Supprimer "%no-spam" pour me repondre. work:mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre%no-spam@edf.fr Remove "%no-spam" to answer me back. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 22:10:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25ACB37BA49 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:10:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA74107; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:10:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA50555; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:09:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007160509.XAA50555@harmony.village.org> To: John Hay Subject: Re: ed0 and isa cards on 4.x Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:47:44 +0200." <200007150847.e6F8liH45154@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> References: <200007150847.e6F8liH45154@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:09:43 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200007150847.e6F8liH45154@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> John Hay writes: : Have anyone 4.x working with an ISA card and the ed0 device? Works in 4.0 RELEASE. : card, but everytime I got the dreaded "ed0 device timeout" message. IRQ is wrong. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 22:18: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C416A37B5DA; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:17:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA74124; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:17:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA50581; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:17:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007160517.XAA50581@harmony.village.org> To: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: CVSup Cc: "Justin W. Pauler" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:42:28 PDT." References: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:17:31 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Kris Kennaway writes: : 'make all' in /usr/src is a lot faster than 'make world' since it : deliberately doesn't do any dependency building or ordering, etc. But : listen to me when I tell you not to report errors if you use this - you : are on your own! Actually, I'd say that one should *NEVER*[1] use make all in /usr/src. You build against the installed headers, which is wrong in many cases. It doesn't work when depends change (and they change more often than you might think). It doesn't work when new interfaces are added to libc. make buildworld gets all this right. Use -DNOCLEAN if you want faster on a machine you've already built the world on. Warner [1] I could list the conditions under which it is safe, but they change often enough to label this an extreme experts only option. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 22:41:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E59B37BA90; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:41:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA74192; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:41:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA50804; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007160541.XAA50804@harmony.village.org> To: Maxime Henrion Subject: Re: config and config -r Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:19:15 +0200." <3970AB23.F76B05CB@cybercable.fr> References: <3970AB23.F76B05CB@cybercable.fr> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:41:00 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <3970AB23.F76B05CB@cybercable.fr> Maxime Henrion writes: : But after rebooting on this new kernel, I had a page fault before : any kernel message :/ Is there anything to check in order to know if I : can use a config instead of a config -r ? If using a config without the : -r option is dangerous, I think it shouldn't be the default. Is it the : case ? Make depend is required if you ever want to build kernels more than once. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 22:53:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A88C37C772 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:53:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e6G5rXi09513; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:53:33 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: "James A. Mutter" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: network install HOWTO Message-ID: <20000715225333.G25571@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <20000713031047.Q25571@fw.wintelcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from jmutter@colltech.com on Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 10:22:22PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * James A. Mutter [000715 20:22] wrote: > > Great work on the Howto - I've used it to setup a test environment and > so far everything is working well. I recommend it to others who are > looking for a quick start guide to automated network installs of > FreeBSD. > > Now - I've checked through the man pages of the fxp driver but I didn't > find an answer to this. Is there a way to control the NIC settings from > FreeBSD? Specifically, I'd like to switch the boot setting on the NIC > from "Network" to "Local" after the install is completed. Is this > possible without human intervention? Is there a plan for this > functionality? If not I can try write something myself. Most machines will boot up with the network card as a last option which is handy if the install goes smoothly because at next boot it will hit the harddrive instead. Just change the BIOS boot order and you should be fine. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jul 15 23:45:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cepheus.azstarnet.com (cepheus.azstarnet.com [169.197.56.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F1337B5DA for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:45:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rons@azstarnet.com) Received: from servo (dhcp332.mc01.dsl.azstarnet.com [169.197.9.76]) by cepheus.azstarnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA23829 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:45:15 -0700 (MST) X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Reply-To: From: "Ronald Sutherland" To: Subject: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:45:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bfeef1$65c1ec40$4c09c5a9@azstarnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message