From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jul 29 4:42:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from acs-24-154-37-140.zoominternet.net (acs-24-154-37-140.zoominternet.net [24.154.37.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7131037B403 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2001 04:42:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmmiller@acs-24-154-37-140.zoominternet.net) Received: (from dmmiller@localhost) by acs-24-154-37-140.zoominternet.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6TBgBY34414; Sun, 29 Jul 2001 07:42:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dmmiller) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 07:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107291142.f6TBgBY34414@acs-24-154-37-140.zoominternet.net> From: Donn Miller To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dmr on Linux and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20010701130512.A478_sydney.worldwide.lemis.com@ns.sol.net> X-Newsgroups: sol.lists.freebsd.advocacy User-Agent: tin/1.5.8-20010221 ("Blue Water") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.3-STABLE (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <20010701130512.A478_sydney.worldwide.lemis.com@ns.sol.net> you wrote: > LM: Have you ever looked at the Linux source code? > > dmr: I haven't looked in a lot of detail. A year and a half ago or > so, we ported Inferno to it, and it was somewhat of a pain. > Somebody discovered a driver--I guess--some place in the kernel > that had some extremely stupid thing going on. It was about then > that Ken gave some interview, and he remarked that he didn't > think very much of the quality of the code. LM: Well, if you think that's bad, you should see the Windows 98 source code. dmr: Heh heh! I'd be willing to bet there's quite a number of "extremely stupid" things going on in KERNEL32.DLL, so yes, I suppose it really is all relative. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jul 30 0: 8:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from isy.liu.se (isy.liu.se [130.236.48.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB1237B401 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 00:08:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mj@isy.liu.se) Received: from lagrange.isy.liu.se (lagrange.isy.liu.se [130.236.49.127]) by isy.liu.se (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6U78NQ27061; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:08:24 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:08:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Micke Josefsson To: "Kenneth P. Stox" Subject: RE: Another article mentioning FreeBSD and Microsoft Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Ted Mittelstaedt Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 04-Jul-01 Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > > On 03-Jul-01 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >> This is just a rehash of stories that have already run last week, >> there's nothing new here. One of the Linux e-rags already covered >> the trial license, and in fact the URL on the Microsoft site that >> pointed to the trial license and was listed in the Linux article >> has already gone to 404 status. > > Yes, it is a rehash, but, it may be useful as a reference to someone trying to > convince their management to look at FreeBSD. To the typical IT manager, I > think > ZDnet will have a little more weight than one of the Linux rags. > > Maybe it is time to start a new list, freebsd-news, with the sole purpose > publicizing references to FreeBSD instead of congesting the -advocacy list. I > think this would be a useful resource for many in marketing FreeBSD to their > management, staff, and customers. While on the topic: Would it not be a good idea to have some published FreeBSD posters, or anyway something youy could print which looks good and would attract people to FreeBSD? I have made a A4-sized CD-wrapper/envelope with a frontpage that says "Chose FreeBSD you too" and text on the inside explaining what FreeBSD is, what you can do with it, why you should use it, numer of ports (>3100 at the time) and some short installation tips. The backside of the wrapper had place for stamp and adress as well as some pointers for FreeBSD-related websites. I put a swedish made CD in it and handed out to students (M. Sc in computers and ditto in physics mostly) with great success. As described in daemonnews in july I rely heavily on FreeBSD for the laboratories I run. So they see what I do and do likewise - or anyway get interested. If I recall correctly I think Oliver Fromme made some artwork of Chuck made out of ports-names? I have one such picture made out of 4 A4:s on my door. It attracts attention and I would like to see more like that. 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Chavez" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Ports poster (was Re: Another article mentioning FreeBSD and Microsoft) Message-ID: <20010730101040.C52370@xmission.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from mj@isy.liu.se on Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 09:08:55AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 09:08:55AM +0200, Micke Josefsson wrote: [snip] > If I recall correctly I think Oliver Fromme made some artwork of Chuck made out > of ports-names? I have one such picture made out of 4 A4:s on my door. It > attracts attention and I would like to see more like that. I actually tried to contact Mr. Fromme about this very poster about a month or two ago, and I never got a response. I actually would like to have seen the scripts used to generate that poster placed in the ports collection. Anyone have any input on this? -- anthony@xmission.com http://www.anthonychavez.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ``The supply of problems in mathematics is inexhaustible, and as soon as one problem is solved numerous others come forth in its place.'' -- David Hilbert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jul 31 20:26:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from boss (unknown [210.183.236.168]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7281B37B401 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:25:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from boss@palza.net) From: =?ks_c_5601-1987?B?yLK068jG?= To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: =?ks_c_5601-1987?B?W77LuLJdIGZyZWVic2QtYWR2b2NhY3m01MDHILDHvcLAuyCx4r/4ILXluLO0z7TZLi4=?= Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:22:02 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 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Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] helo=dogma) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #6) id 15Ss4r-0000Lx-00 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 04:26:13 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma (8.11.4/8.11.1) id f743QDv37436 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 04:26:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 04:26:13 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: time to step up to the SMP plate? Message-ID: <20010804042613.B34779@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to the Netcraft survey, Apache lost as much as five percent. One of the upcoming issues in server technology (especially respecting Dell) will be SMP technology. Is there anything we can do to promote the (advancing?) capabilities of FreeBSD to hold its own and advance the expansion of open source solutions before .Net chokes everything in its path? jm -- "Investigators have discovered the cause of the TWA 800 explosion was a frayed wire. The wire became frayed when it was struck by a missile." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Aug 4 4:22:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC0937B407 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 04:22:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f74BJX897225; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 04:19:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "j mckitrick" , Subject: RE: time to step up to the SMP plate? Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 04:19:33 -0700 Message-ID: <003f01c11cd7$563d7860$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <20010804042613.B34779@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Also according to the Netcraft survey: "Primarily this is a result of two large US installations converting from Solaris. " And also note that one of the sites, Interland, was partly owned by Microsoft so of course they would go to NT. (they aren't anymore, but of course as you know it takes a while to start large migration projects) Solaris already has good SMP, much better than Microsoft's. I don't see that this was a factor. At any rate, consider that Apache has 60% of the market, and the remaining 40% is split up among everyone else, including Microsoft. Now I don't know about you, but I've never yet seen a group of people in which 60% of the group completely agreed with something. Just due to the natural course of human nature, as different web server platforms continue to be introduced, we are going to see everyone else taking more and more share away from Apache. Apache is a great webserver but it simply cannot be all things to all people. Neither can Microsoft. In fact, this is unhealthy for the Net as it just promotes the spread of worm programs like Code Red. The most healthy Internet would be one in which there were many competing web server platforms that all had a somewhat equal share of the pie. Consider also something else. Apache also has been ported to Windows. According to Netcraft, Microsoft OS's make up the majority of OS's on the Internet, with Linux second. Since Apache makes up the majority of webservers on the Internet, wouldn't you think that in order for the figures to balance that more like half of the Windows systems out there must not be running the Microsoft webserver, and instead are running Apache? See http://apachetoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-06-30-001-01-NW-LF-MR for a more detailed explanation of what's really going on. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of j mckitrick >Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 8:26 PM >To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: time to step up to the SMP plate? > > > >According to the Netcraft survey, Apache lost as much as five percent. One >of the upcoming issues in server technology (especially respecting Dell) >will be SMP technology. Is there anything we can do to promote the >(advancing?) capabilities of FreeBSD to hold its own and advance the >expansion of open source solutions before .Net chokes everything in its >path? > >jm >-- >"Investigators have discovered the cause of the TWA 800 explosion >was a frayed wire. The wire became frayed when it was struck >by a missile." > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message