From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Aug 12 18: 9:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from wilma.widomaker.com (wilma.widomaker.com [204.17.220.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34C537B409 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 18:09:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shannon@daydream.shannon.net) Received: from [206.246.249.216] (helo=escape.shannon.net) by wilma.widomaker.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 15W6EB-000IDs-00 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 21:09:11 -0400 Received: from daydream (daydream.shannon.net [192.168.1.10]) by escape.shannon.net (8.11.0/8.8.8) with ESMTP id f7D15Pw09013 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 21:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shannon by daydream with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15W6AV-0004Ls-00 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 21:05:23 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 21:05:23 -0400 From: Charles Shannon Hendrix To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: time to step up to the SMP plate? Message-ID: <20010812210521.G13184@widomaker.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org References: <20010807215153.B9801@widomaker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.20i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 07:53:58AM -0700, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 08-Aug-01 Charles Shannon Hendrix wrote: > >> Hopefully, Open Source will be able to overcome its inherit > >> handicaps; it may be that FreeBSD switches to using Perforce, or > >> some other tool that gets rid of the "One True Head Branch" > >> phenomenon, despite the commercial use pain that such a switch > >> would entail (P4 is free for Open Source, but not for commercial > >> companies tracking an Open Source project, whose repository is > >> only available in P4). > > > > I would worry about committing to a tool that may or may not remain free > > in the future. It would be better to come up with an open solution. > > Have you _used_ p4? :) Yes, what's your point? I still rather have an open solution. For one thing, I'd be able to build a version for whatever OS I had. Still, I'm glad to see them making so many available. If they just had a NetBSD-sparc version I'd be doing more than trivial toying with it (my CVS source server is on NetBSD-sparc). -- shannon@widomaker.com _________________________________________________ ______________________/ armchairrocketscientistgraffitiexistentialist "Castles are sacked in war, Chieftains are scattered far, Truth is a fixed star, Eileen aroon!" -- Gerald Griffin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Aug 12 21:29:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from wilma.widomaker.com (wilma.widomaker.com [204.17.220.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567C437B401 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 21:29:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shannon@daydream.shannon.net) Received: from [209.96.185.154] (helo=escape.shannon.net) by wilma.widomaker.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 15W9Ln-0000Nn-00 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 00:29:16 -0400 Received: from daydream (daydream.shannon.net [192.168.1.10]) by escape.shannon.net (8.11.0/8.8.8) with ESMTP id f7D4QDw12822 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 00:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shannon by daydream with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15W9Il-0001cg-00 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 00:26:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 00:26:07 -0400 From: Charles Shannon Hendrix To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: time to step up to the SMP plate? Message-ID: <20010813002607.H13184@widomaker.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org References: <3B718AEA.F17009EA@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3B718AEA.F17009EA@softweyr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.20i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 12:54:34PM -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > Plus, perforce cannot magically become "un-free". They can refuse to > grant licenses to future upgrades if they change their mind, but they > can't unilaterally go back and un-grant an existing license to existing > code. I know that. This isn't an "I hate commercial software" attitude, I just want to see a improved CVS replacement. subversion looks like it will fix a lot of CVS's problems when it's ready. -- "I want this Perl software checked for viruses. Use Norton Antivirus." -- Charlie Kirkpatrick ______________________________________________________________________ Charles Shannon Hendrix s h a n n o n @ w i d o m a k e r . c o m To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Aug 12 22:33:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CE637B407; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:33:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f7D5Xeb25915; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:33:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: , "Greg McPherran" Cc: "FreeBSD Advocacy" Subject: RE: Your Mascot Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:33:39 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01c123b9$81e9f540$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <001b01c1233e$46397640$6501a8c0@ne.mediaone.net> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Greg McPherran Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 7:51 AM To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Your Mascot Hello, >I'm Greg McPherran. I am a software engineer - 17 years. I'm all for FreeBSD >and am considering installing it. I advise you to use a different mascot >besides the little daemon. It's not good marketing. Note that I'm cc'ing this to Advocacy - this discussion properly belongs on that mailing list, not on Questions. Please followup there. FreeBSD is NOT a commercial operating system. Nobody here DIRECTLY benefits by increased use of FreeBSD. Many people INDIRECTLY benefit - but we have our own projects to market and we are going to prioritize what marketing efforts that we are going to spend on the companies and organizations and projects that directly pay us money. There is NO requirement that anyone selling commercial products or services that are based on FreeBSD use the mascot. If your planning on installing FreeBSD then great - but you should also read a bit about UNIX history. The demon logo has a history that started a long time ago. The fact that you even noticed it at all and felt the need to comment proves that it's doing it's job. If you know anything about advertising you know what I'm talking about. >Also, you could spif up your web site and really make it fancy. This will >attract people to FreeBSD. Unfortunately, your deluded here that putting a lot of spiffy things on a website will attract people to FreeBSD. There is not a single study with any credibility out there in Marketing-Land that shows that a spiffy website has attracted new sales prospects. The idea that just slapping a fancy website on the Internet will make people beat a path to your door is a bankrupt idea and all the Dot-Com's that thought this are bankrupt. If anything, the Internet has even more conclusively proven the need for narrowly targeted advertising and marketing. The Internet has not and most likely never will be a targeted marketing venue the way that radio, television and periodicals are. If anything, spiffy websites are usually created by people that think that spiffiness means a lot of graphics. Graphics that are large and take a long time to transfer. Studies have shown that people get impatient with a web page that takes longer than 14 seconds to load and will often cancel the page load and go elsewhere. Since the majority of people viewing webpages on the Internet are using 56K modems, 14 seconds at 56K does not give you a very big window to get your entire page transferred to the remote end. If you want to make it, you had better be running a very minimalist site. > As Microsoft knows very well, it's not just the >quality of the product - >it's the presentation. FreeBSD is far superior to >Windows in many ways. Why >not get the attention you deserve by marketing >yourselves much better? When I go to http://www.microsoft.com I don't see a very "spiffy" website, I see a front page that's mainly text. In fact it's layout and the layout of http://www.freebsd.org are virtually identical, the only difference is that the FreeBSD website uses a lot of Red, the Microsoft website uses a lot of Blue. I suppose if your favorite color is Blue than the Microsoft site might have an advantage. Hey - maybe that's why Novell isn't doing so well these days! :-) Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Aug 12 22:41:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFAE37B40C for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:41:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f7D5fab25938; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:41:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Greg McPherran" Cc: "FreeBSD Advocacy" Subject: RE: FreeBSD Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:41:36 -0700 Message-ID: <003201c123ba$9e2e2cc0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <004701c12344$975bab00$6501a8c0@ne.mediaone.net> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Greg McPherran Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 8:37 AM To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: FreeBSD >I think it would increase sales in the store. I noticed that when browsing >the alternative OS section, the box and mascot did not have the effect on me >that perhaps you want it to have. There is no requirement for using the Demon image on the CD boxed set. >Others must also have the same reaction. I praise your team for the great >work you do delivering an excellent OS package. I was under the impression >that FreeBSD also encouraged people to purchase the boxed set to help support >your team. The boxed sets are created by distributors that have no financial requirement to contribute to The FreeBSD Project. FreeBSD is Free Software meaning that anybody can take the distribution ISO and press a few thousand copies and start selling it and put whatever image they want on the box. >1.If you do encourage people to purchase the boxed set then I think my idea >will significantly increase sales just from a marketing point of view. You should propose it to some of the CD distributors. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 13 0: 2:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C832237B405 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 00:02:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd140870@yahoo.co.uk) Received: from j26.kch8.jaring.my (HELO acidic.ars.org) (161.142.221.96) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2001 07:02:15 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:11:51 +0800 From: Alvin Sim X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53o) Reply-To: Alvin Sim Organization: n/a X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1581604427.20010813151151@yahoo.co.uk> To: Greg McPherran Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Your Mascot In-Reply-To: <001b01c1233e$46397640$6501a8c0@ne.mediaone.net> References: <001b01c1233e$46397640$6501a8c0@ne.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sunday, August 12, 2001, 10:51:25 PM, Greg McPherran wrote: > Hello, > I'm Greg McPherran. I am a software engineer - 17 years. I'm all for > FreeBSD and am considering installing it. I advise you to use a > different mascot besides the little daemon. It's not good marketing. > Also, you could spif up your web site and really make it fancy. This > will attract people to FreeBSD. As Microsoft knows very well, it's not > just the quality of the product - it's the presentation. FreeBSD is > far superior to Windows in many ways. Why not get the attention you > deserve by marketing yourselves much better? all i can say is go to freebsd's website and read on "Explaining BSD" especially Chapter 3, Item 1. > Thank You, > Greg McPherran Welcome ~as -- Alvin bsd140870@yahoo.co.uk _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Aug 18 0:45: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 061B437B401 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 00:45:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA60668 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 00:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 00:44:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Book Publication Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Chris Coleman announced Thursday, FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your Personal Computer, has been published and is available from mall.daemonnews.org. This is a book for users new to both FreeBSD and UNIX. It includes a 4.3-RELEASE installation CD-ROM. My thanks to all of you who were encouraging and sent me comments on various chapters that were available by ftp. If anyone is interested in reviewing the book (Chris has a reviewer for DaemonNews already), let me know and I'll send you a copy of the book or make pdf files available. SlashDot seems to be interested in a review. Annelise To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Aug 18 5:22:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB01937B40A for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 05:22:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from akruijff@dds.nl) Received: from cybertron ([213.10.151.186]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GI9JPM03.11H for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:22:34 +0200 Message-ID: <017401c127e0$6756bda0$231fa8c0@kruijff> From: "Alex" To: "FreeBSD advocacy list" Subject: loco Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:22:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Afgelope zondag ben ik alleen naar Loosdrecht gegaan voor de loco. Ik heb een van de boten goed vast gelecht in de box. (spring) Vanwege de regen was het logboek niet echt beschrijfbaar, dus dat heb ik maar gelaten. Ik heb de beschreven vellen mee genomen. 13-26 aug Bregje en Auke en Alex Neem hier over aub contact met mij op. Het heeft weinig zin voor mij om alleen te gaan. Groetjes, Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message